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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever heard you say hey peeps.
Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like I would.
Speaker 1: I don't think i've ever heard you say that word
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Speaker 2: Well, what do you want me to every episode be like.
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Speaker 2: I would say that, But then I feel like that's
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Speaker 1: So what you actually say in the real world is
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Speaker 2: Oh, you just dropped a real bomb.
Speaker 1: I thought you didn't hear that, but I did.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be really cool though, Like, Okay, I've actually
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well thanks for telling me that I could tell people.
Speaker 2: I think I told one or two. That's only a couple,
Speaker 2: and they thought it was super cool.
Speaker 1: Well I think it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So hopefully we'll be able to just like let
Speaker 2: everyone know soon enough. So that's not soon enough, maybe
Speaker 2: next episode, maybe maybe can This is super exciting what
Speaker 2: you got jury summon I.
Speaker 1: Did actually because I was not excited at first. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to like go to court for someone's
Speaker 1: traffic ticket. But I was just thinking there actually was
Speaker 1: a homicide in town just like a week or two ago,
Speaker 1: so this could be for an actual cool case.
Speaker 2: Well, I I guess I had a photo shoot that
Speaker 2: day and they had to postpone, so I bet I
Speaker 2: bet you there's lots of people going out to a lot,
Speaker 2: so it could be a big one. But I'm so
Speaker 2: jelly because I got summoned earlier this year and I
Speaker 2: had to turn it down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one probably would have been like a traffic
Speaker 1: far And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was thinking it's gonna be super cool because I
Speaker 2: actually think it'd be awesome to go on jury summon's
Speaker 2: butt or beat on injury. But it would have to
Speaker 2: be like an exciting like someone got murdered real bad.
Speaker 1: That has the potential to go on a long time though.
Speaker 2: Too, it can, but it would be like very interesting.
Speaker 2: It would actually probably be a little boring, not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll see. I'm gonna I'm gonna hum it
Speaker 1: over and make sure that I can with work, you know,
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, because I don't think I get
Speaker 1: paid for the jury duty with my work, so I
Speaker 1: know you gotta figure that out.
Speaker 2: That sucks. But I don't think that's an excuse you
Speaker 2: can use.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Actually, I don't think they can make you if you
Speaker 1: like need the money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't put you in like hardship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all I have to do is say, like, no, sir,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be po Otherwise he's the jobbies only clothes.
Speaker 1: This is the mark of a house self.
Speaker 2: I bet you they would actually be Okay with that excuse,
Speaker 2: there probably got one. You got one.
Speaker 1: I think I want to do it, though I know
Speaker 1: I think you should.
Speaker 2: I opened super cool.
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll find out. I'll keep you guys in
Speaker 1: the loop.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I got a short but sweet case for
Speaker 2: you today.
Speaker 1: Sweet love it.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not very sweet though. Oh it's actually
Speaker 2: really shitty.
Speaker 1: It's bitter, the bitter end of the bitter sweet.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Just shit, it's just.
Speaker 2: Shit, It's just shit. Okay, Yes, we dropped a real
Speaker 2: ba last time last episode. The case is on Russell
Speaker 2: Maurice Johnson, which I said is also known as the
Speaker 2: Bedroom Strangler.
Speaker 1: I forgot all about that up until this exact moment
Speaker 1: when you said the bedroom Strangler. Is like, oh, right,
Speaker 1: that's what you said.
Speaker 2: That name alone is terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
Speaker 2: So who is Russell Sosse?
Speaker 1: That's her brother in law, right Russell?
Speaker 2: No, thank god, this is not our different Russell.
Speaker 1: Different Russell.
Speaker 2: So he was born in nineteen forty seven, and he
Speaker 2: is a serial killer, Oh and a rapist. Just throwing
Speaker 2: those right out there.
Speaker 1: For ye, that's not something you want to see on
Speaker 1: someone's Resme and a job interview.
Speaker 2: Russell suffered from mental health issues beginning at a very
Speaker 2: young age. His family actually had a history of mental illness.
Speaker 2: He also experienced a lot of trauma as a child,
Speaker 2: including being a victim of sexual abuse himself when he
Speaker 2: was fourteen years old.
Speaker 1: Dang, that's not cool.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's an excuse for his actions? Though?
Speaker 1: No, definitely not.
Speaker 2: I know, no, no, I mean, like.
Speaker 1: That whole situation, like anyone is a victim of sexual
Speaker 1: abuse or abuse or anything like that. That's just straight
Speaker 1: up not cool. It's not but it doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: can go do it to someone else. Two wrongs don't
Speaker 1: make it right.
Speaker 2: And it's so interesting now lefts do make it right. Sorry,
Speaker 2: it's interesting to me though, because you hear what that
Speaker 2: often that sex offenders or whatever were abused themselves as
Speaker 2: a child, and so you feel like that you think
Speaker 2: they would never do that to someone else, but it
Speaker 2: does happen. So it's just it's interesting to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, I don't know why. I can
Speaker 1: only imagine what's going on in someone's head like that,
Speaker 1: Like it's they're only perpetuating the problem, They're causing someone
Speaker 1: else to go through what they went through, but maybe
Speaker 1: you think that like it because you're so impressionable when
Speaker 1: you're young. Maybe it like left that impression on you
Speaker 1: where it's like you think it's okay, or maybe you
Speaker 1: feel like that's like maybe you liked it, or you're
Speaker 1: supposed to like it, like you were told, like as
Speaker 1: when you were being abused, like oh, like shut up,
Speaker 1: you like it. It's it's good, right, So maybe there's
Speaker 1: something in the back of your mind being like, well, no,
Speaker 1: I should like it. This is what I should be
Speaker 1: doing because that's what you're just.
Speaker 2: Creates them to be like some sort of psychopath to
Speaker 2: some because I know tons it happens, and that they
Speaker 2: are able to go through day to day life. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're scarred, but like there's a small of
Speaker 2: them that maybe it just turned them into some sort
Speaker 2: of psycho.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm trying to trying to say,
Speaker 1: Just I'm trying to understand the psychology behind it. See
Speaker 1: where you're going, Okay, it messed them up so bad
Speaker 1: that there's this piece of them that thinks.
Speaker 2: That yeah, maybe that is Hey, I don't know, we
Speaker 2: have to we have to talk to like a psychologist
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 1: You're gonna say, we'll have to talk to a rapist
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 2: No, I'd rather talk to a psychologist if that's okay. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh Man Russell was an automotive clerk by day working
Speaker 2: at Ford, and a bouncer by night. He also enjoyed
Speaker 2: weightlifting as a hobby, needed it for his other hobby
Speaker 2: of being a murderer. And you'll soon find out why
Speaker 2: dun dun dun.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like him being a weightlifter would be
Speaker 1: good because you know, all the ford's broken down on
Speaker 1: the side of.
Speaker 2: The road and he's going, oh wow, you're going there.
Speaker 1: Eh, I'm not that kind of person. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to make that joke though.
Speaker 2: You're not that kind of person. So he was described
Speaker 2: as also being obsessed with cleanliness and was a compulsive
Speaker 2: hand washer. I'm like, I like him because I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit of a germophobe. I don't know if people
Speaker 2: know that, but like not in a weird way. I
Speaker 2: don't think, am.
Speaker 1: I you you use purel five years ago like people
Speaker 1: do today during COVID.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, Like sometimes I'll even wash my hands in
Speaker 2: like a public bathroom and then like come out and
Speaker 2: use hands.
Speaker 1: Annie, What do you mean Sometimes that's like every time.
Speaker 2: I swear to God I'm not Russell. Oh but yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I I think cleanliness is good.
Speaker 1: Cleanliness is good, o CD is okay.
Speaker 2: I have a bit of OCD with hand cleanliness. So
Speaker 2: this whole like now that we don't ever have to
Speaker 2: shake people's hand again, I'm like, actually okay with us.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a thing that can just go away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people in general, Earth can go away.
Speaker 2: He began attacking and raping women in as early as
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine, but it wasn't until nineteen seventy three
Speaker 2: that he began also murdering them, and that lasted until
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven. Whoa it lasted so long because the
Speaker 2: first few murders he committed went undetected and were deemed
Speaker 2: as non suspicious deaths.
Speaker 1: Really, how did he get How did he manage that?
Speaker 2: You'll find out the first four.
Speaker 1: The first four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's real shit.
Speaker 1: He's got a rap sheet.
Speaker 2: So what he would do is he would stalk his victims,
Speaker 2: break into their homes and watch them sleep for hours
Speaker 2: on end hours hours, Oh my gosh, like I mean,
Speaker 2: I think I go into this more. But there would
Speaker 2: be even like cases were some got away and they
Speaker 2: would like, wake up, did this person just like staring
Speaker 2: at them?
Speaker 1: The fuck?
Speaker 2: I would literally shit my pants.
Speaker 1: Could could you imagine if that was me and I
Speaker 1: woke up to that? Okay, a little bit of a
Speaker 1: backstory here. If I get like abruptly woken up and
Speaker 1: like something's wrong, I have a fight or flight instinct
Speaker 1: that kicks in and I do not I do not run.
Speaker 1: It's not flight, it's a fight instinct. I am ready to.
Speaker 2: Like you're ready to roll, like you're there.
Speaker 1: There was a few years ago our alarm went off
Speaker 1: because Nicole is going to work and she accidentally set
Speaker 1: up the alarm the front door, so the alarm the
Speaker 1: house just starts going off. I was on night shift,
Speaker 1: so I was only sleeping for like three hours at
Speaker 1: this point. I came barreling down the stairs and my
Speaker 1: underwear fists pulled back ready to knock someone out.
Speaker 2: Like it was quite a sight, Like I wish I
Speaker 2: had that on video. I should have reenacted it.
Speaker 1: I can still vividly remember that I was like at
Speaker 1: the bottom them the stairs, my fist and I was
Speaker 1: like I was still af asleep and like what is
Speaker 1: going on? But I was ready to go.
Speaker 2: See I am not that type of person, I don't think.
Speaker 2: But I also have absolutely no idea what I would
Speaker 2: do if someone was like staring at my face when
Speaker 2: I woke up, Like, just think about that, people.
Speaker 1: What do you do when the dogs do it to you?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Then I get up and they know
Speaker 2: they have to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Just a husky staring in their face inches away.
Speaker 2: So honestly, like this whole story, I feel like that
Speaker 2: is the most creepiest shit.
Speaker 1: I just can't that's messed up.
Speaker 2: Okay. So yeah, I have women awake in their beds
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night to a strange man
Speaker 2: looking down at them. In some cases, he would slip away,
Speaker 2: leaving them terrified and wondering how he got past their
Speaker 2: locked doors.
Speaker 1: Like oh yeah, no kidding, how do you just slip away?
Speaker 1: Like I just imagine him like shit.
Speaker 2: Well, probably because these people are just like frozen into bed,
Speaker 2: like what the frig's happening here? And then he just
Speaker 2: is like.
Speaker 1: Peace later, alligator, see you tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: Okay. So what he would do? So how he would
Speaker 2: do this is he would scale the outside walls of
Speaker 2: the apartments and we're like talking numerous stories and enter
Speaker 2: through the balconies.
Speaker 1: Oh geez.
Speaker 2: So there was even one article where he scaled an
Speaker 2: apartment as high as fifteen, like fifteen floors, he went
Speaker 2: to the top.
Speaker 1: You got to give him credit. He's dedicated.
Speaker 2: Well, so he was weightlifter, right, Like, he's really strong.
Speaker 2: You had to be a strong guy for this. And like, honestly,
Speaker 2: if you lived at floor fifteen, would you worry about
Speaker 2: locking your balcony? No?
Speaker 1: Probably not?
Speaker 2: Now would you? No?
Speaker 1: Probably not. I mean I would like to say yes,
Speaker 1: but I would probably be the guy laying in bed
Speaker 1: being like, no, it's fine, I'm not gonna get up, Kate,
Speaker 1: walk it do.
Speaker 2: What's funny actually, because the last time I was at
Speaker 2: a hotel, I was like fourth floor and I had
Speaker 2: that moment I was like, oh, like do I really
Speaker 2: even not need to like lock the door? And then
Speaker 2: in my head I was like, fuck, guy, I do.
Speaker 2: But this was even before I researched this would be
Speaker 2: one of those people locking my balcony door.
Speaker 1: Are you're certainly going to be now?
Speaker 2: Oh? I was before Okay, So After watching his victims sleep,
Speaker 2: he would then sexually assault them and suffocate them in
Speaker 2: no particular order, meaning the sexual assault may have happened
Speaker 2: post mortem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is maybe nasty.
Speaker 2: That's called okay, what is that called necrofactelia? Yeah, like
Speaker 2: that's nasty.
Speaker 1: It's just nasty human behavior, regardless the whole fucking thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, this is like a wild ride here.
Speaker 1: This dude's trash.
Speaker 2: Russell murdered a total of seven women and non fatally
Speaker 2: assaulted eleven other women. The murder the murdering started with
Speaker 2: Mary Hicks in London, Ontario, on October nineteenth, nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 2: Mary was a student, was a student and was only
Speaker 2: twenty years old, which is actually really shitty and young
Speaker 2: and how old.
Speaker 1: Was Russell at this time? Sorry?
Speaker 2: What are you going to make me do? Math?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 2: So he was zorn in nineteen forty seven and that
Speaker 2: murder happened in nineteen seventy three. Oh no, she was
Speaker 2: like thirty ish, so that's like twenty six or so.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was only going down a lot.
Speaker 2: Now people know how bad a math we are.
Speaker 1: Do you really want me to mathod ope, because it's
Speaker 1: just rounding to decades.
Speaker 2: No, we're talking about poor Mary and how she was
Speaker 2: twenty years old, and like I mentioned earlier, her death
Speaker 2: was not suspicious and attributed to an allergic reaction to medication.
Speaker 2: She was found in a natural sleeping position with no
Speaker 2: obvious signs of violence to her body. Next was Alice Rawstone,
Speaker 2: only a month later, on November thirtieth, nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 2: She was found in her Gwelf apartment and again had
Speaker 2: no obvious signs of violence, so her death was attributed
Speaker 2: to a condition of hardened arteries.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm assuming she was most
Speaker 1: likely suffocated as well, right Like there there's obvious signs
Speaker 1: of aphyxiation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but okay, like we'll get into this more actually
Speaker 2: really soon here. But they were all like positioned in bed,
Speaker 2: like they just died of natural kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like they at least did somewhat of autopsies.
Speaker 2: Like not always well they I don't know, Okay, right here,
Speaker 2: I was just about to say he was really good
Speaker 2: at tidying and cleaning the scenes, putting his victims back
Speaker 2: in bed to make it right again. So he would
Speaker 2: like tuck them into bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if self they're doing autopsies, you'd think they'd
Speaker 1: be able to find it correct, the correct the cause
Speaker 1: of But would they.
Speaker 2: Be looking at like someone being like losing their airway,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's obvious signs of it though, like obvious signs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they went undetected because.
Speaker 1: There's like there's some playing blood vessels and stuff on
Speaker 1: the face and around the mouth. There's gonna be fibers
Speaker 1: within the airway and in the way.
Speaker 2: They have known all this in the seventies probably, Hey,
Speaker 2: I would assume, so, yeah, it was a while ago, so.
Speaker 1: I would assume they're probably not doing autopsies. They're probably
Speaker 1: just being like, h she probably just died in her sleep.
Speaker 1: But how would they know hardening arteries?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, And to the other one, what
Speaker 2: was it? It was a medication, right, allergic reaction to medication.
Speaker 1: See that one though they could attribute that to exphyxiation
Speaker 1: because I mean's swelling of the throat or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that one there, But hardening arteries, I don't really know.
Speaker 2: What hardening arteries is. I meant to look up.
Speaker 1: That's like a pound of bacon with three eggs and
Speaker 1: like French toast.
Speaker 2: With remember that man sandwich you used to make, even
Speaker 2: made that for her own man, which the man which
Speaker 2: had I even had that.
Speaker 1: I think I made you eat it once.
Speaker 2: Oh I want to have it again.
Speaker 1: It just tastes like Greece literally, Okay.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, he would clean up the crime
Speaker 2: scenes and in one thing he I even read and
Speaker 2: I don't have this in my notes, but he would
Speaker 2: like clean it up and put them back in bed
Speaker 2: because he would be worried that they would be mad
Speaker 2: at him, which.
Speaker 1: Is just fucked that's weird.
Speaker 2: And so this all made the investigators think the deaths
Speaker 2: were of natural causes or accidents. In one case too,
Speaker 2: he even like did their dishes for them. What he like,
Speaker 2: he was a neat freak, right, So he yeah, killed them,
Speaker 2: put them back in bed, and then went and like
Speaker 2: cleaned up their whole damn apartment, including doing their damn dishes.
Speaker 1: That's that's a whole new kind of fucked up. I know,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm gonna kill you, but I dish.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do your dishes because they're bothering me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he missed the spot, so he did.
Speaker 2: The same thing with his next two victims. March fourth,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four. Russell's next victim would be Eleanor Hartwick.
Speaker 2: She died at her home in London, with the cause
Speaker 2: of death being reaction to prescription drugs. Russell apparently posed
Speaker 2: her with a book in her hand to make it
Speaker 2: look like she had fallen asleep while reading.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, sad, he's in depth.
Speaker 2: Next was Doris Brown. She was forty nine years old,
Speaker 2: and this one's like pretty sad. She was a mother
Speaker 2: of two and it was her daughter who found her
Speaker 2: in the morning of her sixteenth birthday.
Speaker 1: Oh no, because.
Speaker 2: She was expecting her mom to wake her up because
Speaker 2: they were going to go get her driver's license yeap,
Speaker 2: And it was quite late and she finally woke up
Speaker 2: and went into her mom's room and found found this.
Speaker 1: No, that's oh wow, like that's sweet sixteen sad. Hey, well,
Speaker 1: that's brutal.
Speaker 2: And this is even crazier. Slight traces of blood were
Speaker 2: found underneath or beneath Doris's body, but police weren't notified
Speaker 2: notified like the family didn't notify them because there was
Speaker 2: absolutely no signs of violence. But I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh. And the doctor told the daughter there was
Speaker 2: absolutely no signs. Oh what the heck am I saying?
Speaker 1: Here lost your place?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I actually wrote it down really wrong.
Speaker 2: There was no signs of like why she died that
Speaker 2: he said it almost looked like a crib death, like
Speaker 2: a like when like newborns die with no reason. It
Speaker 2: was an completely unexplained death, so that one they had
Speaker 2: no reasoning. Yeah, weird, and they were searching so if
Speaker 2: she was like, see, that's why it's kind of confusing.
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, because you would think if they were to
Speaker 1: do these autopsies, they'd be able to find it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're doing autopsies. I doubt they're. They're
Speaker 1: probably trying to find natural causes. They're not looking into anything.
Speaker 2: Suspicious, probably because yeah, like none of the scenes had
Speaker 2: looked suspicious. So and it just makes me like angry
Speaker 2: because middle aged people like even in their twenties, like,
Speaker 2: that's not middle age, that's younger, Like they just don't
Speaker 2: normally just die. But it's its next three victims that
Speaker 2: he was much more vicious. And thankfully it would now
Speaker 2: appear that there was a murderer on loose.
Speaker 1: I went, Okay, you might get into this, but I'm
Speaker 1: really curious how they linked him back to these other ones. Okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: note to self, I'm curious of that.
Speaker 2: And then kut O cut so On December thirty first,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four, the date very.
Speaker 1: Sad, Yeah, almost the new year.
Speaker 2: Diane Beats I think is her name. I can't pronounce
Speaker 2: her naw same was Russell's next victim. She was found
Speaker 2: in her wealth apartment, bound with nylon stockings and had
Speaker 2: been strangled to death with her brawl and raped after death.
Speaker 2: She was twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: Jeez.
Speaker 2: And if the date wasn't ricken sad enough, she was
Speaker 2: found by her boyfriend or I should say fiance, because
Speaker 2: the night previously they had gotten engaged. Oh no, like shit,
Speaker 2: like about to start a brand new year, like just
Speaker 2: got engaged.
Speaker 1: No kidding, that's shitty, that's so shitty. Ah did he
Speaker 1: at least do the dishes.
Speaker 2: I can't remember if he did the dishes in that
Speaker 2: one or not, because that one was interesting because they
Speaker 2: had already like Diane was up with her fiance and
Speaker 2: then he went to work and then Russell came and
Speaker 2: like killed her.
Speaker 1: Jeers. So Russell's a dick.
Speaker 2: It was like around ten thirty. It wasn't that night
Speaker 2: like the other ones. With this murder. The Guelf police
Speaker 2: offered a five thousand dollars reward for any clues leading
Speaker 2: to the discovery of Diane's killer. Okay, and when interviewed
Speaker 2: by police, Russell said he had heard of Diane's murder
Speaker 2: from a radio news report and thought it could have
Speaker 2: been me, but he wasn't sure. Yeah, but he couldn't
Speaker 2: remember he had done that.
Speaker 1: Oh gee, so I'm assuming this interview is like post
Speaker 1: them cashing him.
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's just like a flash flash forward.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a oh, hey, you're a witness on
Speaker 1: the scene or anything.
Speaker 2: It was like gotcha, no he had Yeah, this was him,
Speaker 2: like later on talking the unfortunate. Next victim was Luella
Speaker 2: Gianne George, who was found in her London fourth floor
Speaker 2: apartment on April fifteenth, nineteen seventy seven, and again strangle
Speaker 2: and raped postmark, I just don't even want to keep
Speaker 2: saying that. Russell told police he did not remember entering
Speaker 2: her apartment, but he did recall choking her, So.
Speaker 1: He's got some shit going on his head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just see it. Russell's last and final victim that
Speaker 2: we know of. I always feel like there's always probably more,
Speaker 2: which is most likely was Donna Weldboom, who apparently lived
Speaker 2: in the apartment above Russell's. Russell had changed it up
Speaker 2: with this attack, though, and it involved a knife. He
Speaker 2: cut Donna across the chest, later saying he wanted to
Speaker 2: crawl inside to be warm and safe.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: She was again sexually assaulted after death and bathed. He
Speaker 2: bathed her. This was in July of nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2: And the cloth, the cloth that he bathed her with,
Speaker 2: he went and put through in the building's common area
Speaker 2: like the washing machine. He like washed it for them.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: You're just like done?
Speaker 1: I'm I am both like a stunned and disgusted and
Speaker 1: be just reminded of the scene where Han Solo puts
Speaker 1: Luke Skywaller inside the tauton so he doesn't freeze to death.
Speaker 2: Seriously, not on your head, so, Russell said. He also
Speaker 2: didn't know if he killed Donna until the next morning.
Speaker 2: He said he used his plastic time punch card from
Speaker 2: work to slip down his lock and didn't understand why
Speaker 2: people didn't have better locks, that it was just like
Speaker 2: too simple to break in.
Speaker 1: What the fuck this guy's fucked? I know, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you could just I don't know, not pick their
Speaker 1: locks and break in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could just like do your jobs, go to
Speaker 2: the gym, go home, watch Netflix.
Speaker 1: You know in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, they would no wonder, Hey, what else did
Speaker 2: they have to do?
Speaker 1: Blockbuster?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I haven't those days of like going to
Speaker 2: the store to pick your movie. It was actually freaking awesome.
Speaker 1: It was Blockbuster a thing in the seventies.
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: There's got to be been rental store.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know in the seventies, like when were
Speaker 2: BCRs made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if the seventies even I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think like that they had like reds, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: would have vinyls. But I think, like, I think it
Speaker 1: was like early seventies when like televisions were starting to
Speaker 1: come into homes. Oh my, I think it might have
Speaker 1: been late sixties.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine. Eh, it's probably good, like you
Speaker 2: probably I would, I don't know, I feel like it'd
Speaker 2: be in better shape and shit, but damn anyway anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, life without Netflix.
Speaker 2: Okay, So finally this shit show would end. In the
Speaker 2: same month of that last murder. July twenty eight, nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy seven, Russell was arrested. He was charged with murdering
Speaker 2: three of the women, Diana or Diane, Luella and Donna.
Speaker 1: Those are the last like three brutal ones.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, yeah, but he not guilty of course. After
Speaker 2: being arrested, Russell had given an unsigned statement to police, though,
Speaker 2: and it was admitted as evidence.
Speaker 1: Ooh, what did he say on that? Do you know?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to say a few things, but then
Speaker 2: I kind of like listed a few things randomly earlier. Right, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's according to police Inspector Robert Young. In that statement, Russell,
Speaker 2: who had voluntarily admitted himself to a London psychiatric hospital
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty nine and was diagnosed as a sexual deviant,
Speaker 2: had told him that he wished he could have gotten
Speaker 2: proper help all those years ago, because those girls would
Speaker 2: still be alive today.
Speaker 1: No shit, Sherlock.
Speaker 2: Russell complained of uncontrollable outbursts of violence and pleaded for
Speaker 2: psychiatric help following the arrests and said to Robert, there
Speaker 2: have been so many, so many more terrible things.
Speaker 1: Jeez see, I mean, trust me, he's fucking scummed. So
Speaker 1: don't get me like twisted up in my words here
Speaker 1: when I say this. But I feel bad for people
Speaker 1: like this because it's like they know that there's something
Speaker 1: fucked up, they know they're doing wrong things, and they
Speaker 1: hate themselves for it. They just can't stop it.
Speaker 2: I know, I know it is. It is sad. It's
Speaker 2: sad and it yeah, I don't know. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: keep going here. I don't even know what to say there.
Speaker 2: So on February first of nineteen seventy eight, Russell is
Speaker 2: found Are you ready for this?
Speaker 1: Is he found not guilty.
Speaker 2: I gave like really small hints.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck. I wasn't paying attention then because I have
Speaker 1: no idea.
Speaker 2: So basically like him not being able to recall whether
Speaker 2: he murdered someone, yeah, like stuff like that. So Russell
Speaker 2: was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Oh of course,
Speaker 2: of course, he suffers from sudden psychotic episodes and loses
Speaker 2: touch with reality. So because he was unable to ask
Speaker 2: the harshness of his client of his crimes, he was
Speaker 2: indefinitely combined to the maximum security wing at Waypoint Center
Speaker 2: for Mental Health Care, where he still is to this day.
Speaker 1: He still is there. Okay, so he's like, I.
Speaker 2: Feel like that's kind of jail. But it's not like
Speaker 2: I don't know the jails you think of. He was
Speaker 2: in a he's sentenced to a mental health care facility.
Speaker 1: Which I mean, I guess this is a tough one
Speaker 1: because he definitely he's fucked up. He did some fucking
Speaker 1: bad shit, but he knows like he's doing wrong. He
Speaker 1: just can't, Like I said, he just can't help it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like he would have outbursts and like this
Speaker 2: need to kill and lots of like I think the
Speaker 2: ones were premeditated, but sometimes he would just climb freakin'
Speaker 2: balconies and like check doors to see if they were
Speaker 2: fucking a lock.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if, like maybe he was in a
Speaker 1: excuse me, having one of his like psychosist states even
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 2: Probably, Oh yeah, I think he was.
Speaker 1: It's like me when I see chocolate milk, it's like,
Speaker 1: get out of my fucking way.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we have a franchise rising and getting
Speaker 2: a four leader. It's gonna be gone tonight.
Speaker 1: Probably I didn't get a four leader because they didn't
Speaker 1: have four leaders. They only had the two leaders.
Speaker 2: Oh seriously, you was like, oh wow, Ben's being good.
Speaker 1: Nope, I almost got two two leaders.
Speaker 2: Okay. And since this decision where he was like going
Speaker 2: to a mental health care facility, he had confessed to
Speaker 2: killing four other women and sexuals assaulting eleven more so
Speaker 2: he got tried for like those brutal ones, and then
Speaker 2: he confessed to the other ones. They broke them down.
Speaker 1: No kidding. I wonder if there's ones that he just
Speaker 1: can't remember.
Speaker 2: I know, I think that there probably is. It's that's shitty.
Speaker 1: Hey, this one's got me torn a little bit conflicted.
Speaker 1: You are conflicted, well, like, trust me, I don't feel
Speaker 1: bad for me, Like, well, I feel bad for him,
Speaker 1: but he completely deserves to go to jail. He deserves
Speaker 1: to fucking rot. But I feel bad for him.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because like the Greyhound one, you didn't
Speaker 2: really feel bad for that guy. And isn't this kind
Speaker 2: of similar ish?
Speaker 1: No, not necessarily because with the Greyhound one, uh see
Speaker 1: what I like, he wasn't quite so remorseful. He wasn't
Speaker 1: crying out for help. He just went out and like,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he had this mental issue that occurred,
Speaker 1: and he went out and he did this horrendous fucking
Speaker 1: act over the course of hours, just fucking go go, go,
Speaker 1: go go go. Actually, like I think his like mission
Speaker 1: and everything was over the course of like what a
Speaker 1: day or two days? Yeah, yeah, So, and he wasn't
Speaker 1: taking his medication. He knew he had this, he wasn't
Speaker 1: taking his medication, and he went out.
Speaker 2: This Russell had never been like diagnosed with anything, and.
Speaker 1: This guy was off his meds and it cost someone
Speaker 1: their life. Yeah, I mean, I feel bad for the guy,
Speaker 1: but I do not feel bad for the situation that
Speaker 1: he is in because he attributed all the factors to
Speaker 1: put himself there. This guy is crying out for help.
Speaker 2: Well he Yeah, the fact that he at one point
Speaker 2: even did go and commit himself. Yeah, but I mean that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he was only in there for a week
Speaker 2: obviously didn't get the help.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, even even being diagnosed as a sexual deviant like
Speaker 2: they did. Actually the documentary I was watching, like they
Speaker 2: the people that had diagnosed with them like never notified
Speaker 2: the police or anything of that. I don't know. If
Speaker 2: that's a new thing back then, and because now I
Speaker 2: feel like you'd have to if someone was diagnosed with.
Speaker 1: Something like that, I think so. So Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, this guy one deserves to fucking rot.
Speaker 1: He's trash.
Speaker 2: He did a lot of bad shit, Yes.
Speaker 1: But I feel bad for him because he knows and
Speaker 1: he's calling out for help at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had like uncontrollable outbursts. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, this is still shitty. Like what
Speaker 2: I'm about to just say is shitty.
Speaker 1: Oh God, let's hear it.
Speaker 2: It's not terrible. But so Russell often will apply for
Speaker 2: more ledient conditions lenient lenient because at this point he
Speaker 2: thinks that he's fine and does not need to change
Speaker 2: any longer, and he has exercised his right to a
Speaker 2: hearing more than thirty times since he was convicted. What
Speaker 2: he wants is either like an escort of community visit
Speaker 2: or incarceination in a lower security facility. But the big
Speaker 2: problem with him going to a lower security facility is
Speaker 2: he would have greater access to female patients and he's
Speaker 2: too much of a risk for their safety. But the
Speaker 2: super sad thing is that these hearings is every year
Speaker 2: the victims have to show up or like the victims
Speaker 2: their families, I mean the family. It's not the victims
Speaker 2: because they've died, have to show up and read their
Speaker 2: statements about how his crimes has affected their lives and
Speaker 2: their families lives. One article said, it's become a yearly
Speaker 2: family tradition to have to go there, and like a
Speaker 2: family tradition that's not the fun kind, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's shitty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they need to put a cap on that, like
Speaker 1: thirty times, like dude, like no.
Speaker 2: And it's like being passed down to generation from generation,
Speaker 2: so that because they worry what happens when like we
Speaker 2: can't go any longer. Yeah, so it's like that's shitty
Speaker 2: for these poor families. It's just like something that they're
Speaker 2: never able to give up. Yeah, they're reliving this. So
Speaker 2: Russell has been chemically castrated. Good, it takes lupron to
Speaker 2: reduce his testderone, but chemical castration is via drugs. It's
Speaker 2: like to basically reduce his libido. Right, So it's not
Speaker 2: like a surgical thing, and it can be reversed.
Speaker 1: It can be reversed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be reversed.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like something that they do over
Speaker 1: the course of like a month that just makes them
Speaker 1: sterile and that's it.
Speaker 2: No, because they're well, they're not removing his organs, nor
Speaker 2: does it says nor is it a form of sterilization.
Speaker 1: It is reversible, damn.
Speaker 2: It's also a stated it's very unlikely that Russell will
Speaker 2: ever be outside of the Waypoint Center.
Speaker 1: Good. Good. So that's that Russell shit.
Speaker 2: The bedroom Strangler. Yeah, scary as shit and I hope
Speaker 2: if any okay, if you take away one thing from
Speaker 2: this ship show, lock your dolls. I feel like every
Speaker 2: episode we're like, lock your doors because I think some
Speaker 2: things can be prevented. I mean think so if someone
Speaker 2: wants to get in, they're probably going to get in,
Speaker 2: But like this dude would sometimes randomly go check in doors.
Speaker 2: So lock your dolls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lock your doors. Had your kids, had your wife, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what to do? You know, you know, you
Speaker 1: know smart.
Speaker 2: I mean people who listen to true crime podcasts, I
Speaker 2: feel like they could be smarter than most.
Speaker 1: With like smarter than your average bear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, prevention of some things.
Speaker 1: I think. So I have a feeling that there's people
Speaker 1: out there right now? Who have like checked their back
Speaker 1: door during this episode?
Speaker 2: So? Oh shit, Well, I was researching while you were
Speaker 2: working night shift. I think each night I would go
Speaker 2: make sure the fucking garage door was locked, because sometimes
Speaker 2: you leave it unlocked. And I'm proudly so I checked.
Speaker 2: I checked fair enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was a good episode? Well, not a good episode,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, it was. It
Speaker 2: was informative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna like next episode?
Speaker 2: Oh do you already know what it's going to be on.
Speaker 1: I've got like a list of like forty different episodes
Speaker 1: that I want to do.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I have quite a list too, but I
Speaker 2: don't know what order I'm going to do them in.
Speaker 1: I don't either. I kind of look at it like, okay,
Speaker 1: have we been like murder heavy? Have you been mystery heavy?
Speaker 2: We've been very murder heavy?
Speaker 1: I think we have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean.
Speaker 1: This next one is is is murder heavy as well, But.
Speaker 2: You're not going to give them a break.
Speaker 1: No, next one after that. I've got my next two
Speaker 1: planned out. Okay, so my next one's murder heavy, and
Speaker 1: the next one after that is it's not murder heavy.
Speaker 1: There's no murder at all as far as we aware.
Speaker 1: I haven't fully researched it yet, but it's I don't
Speaker 1: really want to know what to say without giving it away.
Speaker 1: It's a huge Canadian crime. I'll put it that way
Speaker 1: for that second one.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The next one is very murder heavy.
Speaker 2: Okay, and not Canadian. I do not believe so no,
Speaker 2: I think, Okay, everyone on my list is Canadian, but
Speaker 2: I think my next one I might have to branch
Speaker 2: out and do a Canadian Canadian. I know I've done
Speaker 2: nothing but Canadian, so I think I might find one
Speaker 2: that's not Canadian and just like surprise you all. Well,
Speaker 2: we're not surprising since I just told you, but you
Speaker 2: know what, cool. Well, I look forward to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, We'll see you guys in the next
Speaker 1: episode and make sure you guys stay wicked.