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<v Speaker 1>In Florida. The state government is attempting to muzzle WFLA

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<v Speaker 1>News by threatening to criminalize the TV station WFLA Tampa

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<v Speaker 1>one is a station being intimidated for broadcasting an AD

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<v Speaker 1>that is pro Amendment four, which would reinstate abortion until

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<v Speaker 1>twenty to twenty six weeks now. Of course, Governor DeSantis

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<v Speaker 1>has been quite outspoken about the six week abortion band

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<v Speaker 1>that is currently in place, and the letter was sent

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<v Speaker 1>to the FWFLA station, signed by John Wilson, general counsel

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<v Speaker 1>for the Florida Department of Health, bullying the station for

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<v Speaker 1>airing the ad. Of course, the letter is an attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to intimidate the press to assist in the objections of

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<v Speaker 1>the state government by getting them to not air an

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<v Speaker 1>ad that was produced by the group Floridians Protecting Freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>This story is from truth Out by Chris Walker and

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<v Speaker 1>was published October ninth, twenty twenty four. Well, that's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that's a really interesting take on what the state

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<v Speaker 1>government thinks they can do to the press. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>we had freedom of pressed in this country, Cynthia. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think the problem is that the Florida laws in

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<v Speaker 1>this respect are rather vague or do you think they're

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<v Speaker 1>well enough, well enough to be understood completely. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>we really came out poorly. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're fine, you're fine, you know well. The controversy

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<v Speaker 2>highlights the vagueness of Florida's abortion laws, which could prevent

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<v Speaker 2>necessary medical procedures even in the life or death situations, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've actually seen this across the country where people

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<v Speaker 2>who are pregnant and may not necessarily have viable pregnancies

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<v Speaker 2>are being denied care because a lot of the abortion

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<v Speaker 2>laws and even what you can and cannot give as

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<v Speaker 2>treatment to people who may have either at topic presidencies

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<v Speaker 2>or if they're miss carrying actual life saving abortions so

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<v Speaker 2>that they can you know, not die, and Florida happens

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<v Speaker 2>to be one of them. So in this particular case,

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<v Speaker 2>even though Poles actually indicate that the majority of Floridian

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<v Speaker 2>is actually support amendment, for the amendment faces an uphill

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<v Speaker 2>battle for approval, requiring a super majority of sixty percent

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<v Speaker 2>in the upcoming vote. Sounds so much like the Senate filipbuster.

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<v Speaker 1>How did they know was that that's a vote in

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<v Speaker 1>the state congress or are they doing this as a

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<v Speaker 1>resolution a voter referendum.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a voter referendum.

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<v Speaker 1>It is it is. How do they and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you have the answer to this, but how

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<v Speaker 1>do they justify that super majority the sixty percent? Is

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<v Speaker 1>there some law that they use for that? I'm not sure,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, like I said, if you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the answer, I don't blame you, because I don't expect

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<v Speaker 1>you to know all of Florida election law.

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<v Speaker 2>For god, I know, I'd be like, to be honest

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<v Speaker 2>with you, I'm not necessarily sure exactly what type of

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<v Speaker 2>law that they are using for this, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>to me, like I said, like when I just mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>like that the sixty that the sixty vote of filibuster,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Senate, I almost like feel like this is

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<v Speaker 2>like an arbitrary number that they're just they're just like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, throwing out here in order for this to

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<v Speaker 2>this put to your refrimendum to become law or not.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think there's a larger issue here.

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<v Speaker 2>And and the larger issue is that putting bands on

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<v Speaker 2>abortions is severely unpopular somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't expecting to go with the larger issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, I'm always going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the larger issue, Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I got a larger issue to go to too,

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<v Speaker 1>so go ahead. But yeah, it's a different one, but

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, you know, so let's just make this whole

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<v Speaker 2>episode about larger issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Larger issue, Cindy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm waiting for your larger issue after I'm done with

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<v Speaker 2>my Okay, I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Just gonna warner to come up with one.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like from the top of the dome,

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<v Speaker 2>which I know you can do, but yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like when we're really talking about abortion bands and and

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<v Speaker 2>basically like putting these particular arbitrary laws and or like

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<v Speaker 2>guideposts like on like what you can and cannot do

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to these things, it's so unpopular. I

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<v Speaker 2>would say that that is one of the number one

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<v Speaker 2>issues that's actually driving people to come out for elections

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four. I would definitely say that. And

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<v Speaker 2>as we as I mentioned even in like previous segments

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this earlier this week, you know, when we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like you know, glossed over the topic that we

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<v Speaker 2>have seen real time problems with real people and how

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<v Speaker 2>abortion bands have affected them adversely, not just in Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>It happens in Mississippi. We taught we talked about that

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<v Speaker 2>here on non profits, happened in Texas, happens in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 2>it happens in other different red states where we can

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<v Speaker 2>actually point out specific issues and specific events that have

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<v Speaker 2>happened to real people when it comes to abortion band

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't and I don't necessarily want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>go to the conspiracy the conspiracy route here. But if

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<v Speaker 2>we're actually looking at, as Cindy would say, observing the

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<v Speaker 2>different events that have happened in the past, when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to all these things, I you know, you almost

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<v Speaker 2>think that the vagueness of it is you know, intentional,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like some of the things like I pointed out,

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<v Speaker 2>like specifically amendment for it. If you if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>mind be kind of you know, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>give me like some leadway here a little floor, if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't mind, I appreciate it. Thank you. So amendment I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't so yeah, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>You can any time, you know what I'm saying. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but I did want to like ask politely,

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<v Speaker 2>uh if people did not know that I'm one of

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<v Speaker 2>the producers non profits. But regardless of that, but amendment

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<v Speaker 2>for in Florida actually seeks to significantly impact abortion rights

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<v Speaker 2>within the state by establishing constitutional protections for the procedure.

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<v Speaker 2>And so here are the actual key potential impacts of

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<v Speaker 2>the amendment. So one is going to enshrine enshrinement of

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<v Speaker 2>abortion rights. So if it's passed, the amendment would explicitly

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<v Speaker 2>protect the right to obtain an abortion in Florida, allowing

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<v Speaker 2>individuals to access the procedure up to the point of

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<v Speaker 2>fetal viability typically that is around twenty two to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five weeks of pregnancy. Secondly, it's going to counter the

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<v Speaker 2>current law so Florida is Florida's existing law currently bans

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<v Speaker 2>most abortions after six weeks of pregnancy, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most restrictive in the country. Amendment four will actually create

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<v Speaker 2>a more permissive legal framework, providing broader access to abortion services. Thirdly,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to legally it's going to legally give clarity

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<v Speaker 2>for healthcare providers, which is something that we're seeing. Is

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<v Speaker 2>so if we're going to talk about vagueness with current

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<v Speaker 2>abortion laws and abortion bands, that is a big one, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So this amendment aims to clarify and protect the rights

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<v Speaker 2>of health care providers to perform abortions without the fear

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<v Speaker 2>of legal repercussions, especially in critical medical situations. This could

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<v Speaker 2>prevent situations where doctors are hesitant to act due two

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<v Speaker 2>vague legal definitions regarding life threatening circumstances. Fourthly, it will

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<v Speaker 2>impact women's health or people who have the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>become pregnant. I don't want to just leave it up

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<v Speaker 2>to that. With better access to abortion services, the amendment

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<v Speaker 2>could enhance health outcomes for pregnant individuals, particularly in cases

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<v Speaker 2>we're continuing a pregnancy poses significant health risk. Bifly, the

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<v Speaker 2>political and social repercussions, the passage of this amendment could

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<v Speaker 2>energize both supporters and opponents of abortion rights, potentially impacting

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<v Speaker 2>future elections and legislative sessions. It could also lead to

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<v Speaker 2>increase activism and funding for reproductive rights organizations. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>could if an active Potentially the potential and legal challenges

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<v Speaker 2>the amendment could face immediate legal challenges for anti abortion groups,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know, that's a thing right, which could lead

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<v Speaker 2>to prolonged court battles over its interpretation and implications. So

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<v Speaker 2>that could that definitely would be an issue if you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about issues with the law itself being vague. And

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<v Speaker 2>then lastly, there's an influence on national trends. So as

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<v Speaker 2>we all know that this, like like I said, abortion

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<v Speaker 2>bands is a national issue, especially when you have like

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<v Speaker 2>about what it is, like about fourteen to fifteen states

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<v Speaker 2>now in the United States that actually have like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>very restrictive abortion bans. So as other state it's observed

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<v Speaker 2>Florida's actions regarding abortion rights amendment for outcome, could influence

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<v Speaker 2>similar movements across the country, potentially setting a precedent for

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<v Speaker 2>other states looking to expand or because there's always another

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<v Speaker 2>side restrict abortion accents.

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<v Speaker 1>I I agree with everything you just said. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's relevant to what the story is about.

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<v Speaker 2>Though.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this story is about freedom of the press

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<v Speaker 1>really and I think, god, what was that sydy? Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, I think it's about democracy at its core

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<v Speaker 3>because it's uh, it's a push to authoritiism. It's basically,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to decide. I want to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>decide what you can and can say, yeah, even enduring

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<v Speaker 3>an ad which which is crazy. But yeah. When I

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<v Speaker 3>read the article, the first thing that that popped into

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<v Speaker 3>my mind was the nerve on that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>The nerve.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost admirable to have so much hypocrisy and and

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<v Speaker 3>and lack of shame in just one man. I know,

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<v Speaker 3>those two characteristics are are pretty much you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>in the conservative moment, they're pretty much spread, but he

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<v Speaker 3>pushes them to a level that's that's it's just incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>But my my question is how it is not considered

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<v Speaker 3>election tempering because he's trying to influence an election directly

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<v Speaker 3>by preventing people to uh to have to listen to

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<v Speaker 3>an ad that relates to a lot that he's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be voted on.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, Cindy, you know that's what happens here.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's not.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a point though. The ad is okay, it's

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<v Speaker 1>put out by a private group, but this is the government,

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<v Speaker 1>government office stepping it right. She's kind of a way

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<v Speaker 1>valid point.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I was. I was actually doing sarcasm right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I love you, Cynthia, because you can

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<v Speaker 1>do it so well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the thing is, uh, as you said, Cynthia,

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<v Speaker 3>in the US, politics is much much harder than it

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<v Speaker 3>is in other countries. Like those ads that candidate A

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<v Speaker 3>is going to air about candidate B and only candidate B,

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<v Speaker 3>not themselves. That just doesn't exist outside the the the well,

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<v Speaker 3>not in Europe, at least in in France, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>political ads are very very limited and and so, and

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<v Speaker 3>there isn't as much money spent on politics. I understand

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<v Speaker 3>that the US is a large country in terms of superfacy,

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<v Speaker 3>but uh, when I see the amounts of money that

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<v Speaker 3>spent and and for an entire year because election starts

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<v Speaker 3>very very early, you know, that's that's just amazing. But

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<v Speaker 3>having one candidate say, get in.

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<v Speaker 2>Our word for what's happening here, you're being quite generous

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<v Speaker 2>to work on making think yeah, it's very ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's he's because the the the amendment for is

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<v Speaker 3>proposed by the people. It's not the government that proposes

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<v Speaker 3>a lot that it usually happens. And these popular initiatives

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<v Speaker 3>as they are called in Europe, they're getting traction slowly

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<v Speaker 3>in the world, and it's a good thing. But in

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<v Speaker 3>this case, you have some people who say, okay, we

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<v Speaker 3>want to do this, and this is the voice of

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<v Speaker 3>the people literally, and you have a candidate that says, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you will not voice your opinion here on on on

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<v Speaker 3>the public TV on on the private ad that you are,

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<v Speaker 3>that you have the right to buy an air and

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<v Speaker 3>and that's, uh, that's pretty much what dictators do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they decide to choose, They choose to uh what goes

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, it was really quick, like as

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<v Speaker 2>as our colleagues across the pond would say, those are

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<v Speaker 2>some large bullocks that the governor has displaying right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I minded in journalism in college, so when I

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter. They have the First Amendment backing them up.

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<v Speaker 1>They can say whatever the hell they want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>right So, the state of Florida has no business at

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<v Speaker 1>all telling what Any news organization who has also has

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<v Speaker 1>freedom of the press behind them. So we're actually breaking

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<v Speaker 1>two constitutional freedoms by sending this letter. And that's what

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<v Speaker 1>for it is freaking is horrible. And I agree with

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be little anything you said for

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<v Speaker 1>the first half of this segment, Cynthia, because everything you

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<v Speaker 1>way that the state was squashing a news organization and

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<v Speaker 1>thinking that it was legal to do so, that this

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<v Speaker 2>If I want to interject, just to kind of piggyback

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<v Speaker 2>on both of what you did, you know, just bringing

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<v Speaker 2>out that particular point because I gathered that as well,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when it comes to the bullying from the DeSantis

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<v Speaker 2>administration about what this particular station can and cannot add. Air.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember when we talked earlier this week about a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people don't know the meetings to certain words like fascism,

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<v Speaker 2>but they use it incorrectly. This is the prime example

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, totally, yes, it is Yeah, totally agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>When the state is interjecting what press can and cannot air,

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<v Speaker 2>what press and press can and cannot stay, that is

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<v Speaker 2>fascism because you're controlling the narrative and you're also propagating

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<v Speaker 2>your particular ideology on the massive That's that's really a

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<v Speaker 2>very very prime example of what.

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<v Speaker 1>It is and not letting any other ideology get through. Correct, right,

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's that's the bad part of this. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to shut down all the bay We're going to shut

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's exactly what our experiment.

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<v Speaker 3>There's those early warning signs of fascism. There are twelve signs.

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<v Speaker 3>First is powerful and continuing nationalism. Second is disdain for

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<v Speaker 3>human rights. Three identification of enemies as unifying cause. Rampant sexism,

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<v Speaker 3>at the twine, corporate power, protected labor power, suppressed these

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<v Speaker 3>day for intellectual and the arts, obsession with crime and punishment,

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<v Speaker 3>and rampant chronism and corruption. That's the earliest signs of fascism.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll let everyone look into that and see if

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<v Speaker 3>there's any parallel with the current situation in the US

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean yeah, I mean yeah, like, I mean yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, scare.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the room. So those ar designs have been written

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<v Speaker 3>in early two thousands by someone who studied all fascist

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<v Speaker 3>regime regiments between well the entire nineteen twentieth century. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's not just one thing that someone right wrote, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>on the piece of papor like this. It's a solid,

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<v Speaker 3>solid study.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I think that one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, like in just like in a personal observation,

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<v Speaker 2>that fascism always seems to be interjected into a society

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<v Speaker 2>when you are actually seeing like evolving, evolving thought, when

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<v Speaker 2>you're seeing like the emergence of people who happen to

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<v Speaker 2>buck against like particular traditions that have been a placed

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<v Speaker 2>in societies previously, and with the United States being I

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<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily like to call it like a melting pot.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I call it like a salad, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you are having different cultures and diversities of

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to definitely cause thoughts and and and practices

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<v Speaker 2>to change. And definitely people who don't necessarily want to

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<v Speaker 2>see that change are willing to like really hold on

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<v Speaker 2>uh as in school day is as a why no

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<v Speaker 2>to its bottle as much as possible, because they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to see that change. They want to keep the

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<v Speaker 2>I really believe that well because he's like shown it

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<v Speaker 2>is that Rada Santis is definitely a person that has

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, excuse me, Keally, just just one point

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't know, please the.

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<v Speaker 2>Girls talking right now talking, Yes, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Can go to sleep and we'll just keep going. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>In in in an earlier episode this week, something that

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of religions have died in the history of humanity, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but we we don't not, as far as I know,

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<v Speaker 3>an example of a religion that dominated an entire culture

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<v Speaker 3>for a very very long time that didn't happen. Religion

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<v Speaker 3>so far, they died slowly naturally and then they were

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<v Speaker 3>replaced by a new one. But we are in a

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<v Speaker 3>the world. There are two bigger religions, and we see

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<v Speaker 3>that they are slowly dying slowly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Afraid that a way of thinking and the power structure

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<v Speaker 3>that's behind it, that's been in power for like almost

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen hundred years, how they will react when they see

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<v Speaker 3>themselves dying, And I will react exactly. That's the powerallel

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<v Speaker 3>I was trying to make it. It's the exact same

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<v Speaker 3>thing here. You have a powerful structure of government based

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<v Speaker 3>on men's desires basically, and that's changing slowly. We now

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<v Speaker 3>see war as something we really really really want to avoid,

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<v Speaker 3>as opposed to before it was just yeah, I want

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<v Speaker 3>your territory. Okay, let's let's end the war. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>changing the mentality. And and now this climate change al

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<v Speaker 3>so that's coming to the picture. And so yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>see a huge parallel between between the two. One uh

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<v Speaker 3>set of belief link to religion and one set of

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<v Speaker 2>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>You know a lot of people in our country are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to convince us that climate change is a hoax. Yep, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just and again.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a nice way to put the Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>So I I had a really great time this week

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<v Speaker 1>with you, get with both of you, with John while

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<v Speaker 1>he was playing hide and seek with us. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a great It was a great recording session. I really

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of fun and we'd like to hear

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<v Speaker 1>what you thought about it. So send us an email

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<v Speaker 1>at TV at Atheist typhoncommunity dot org and tell us

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<v Speaker 1>what you liked about the show, what you hated about

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and get rid of that Kelly guy, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to say.