Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice
mix in some vodka colored a podcast from the Mac
of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven by Victor
Chrysler Dots jeep Ram. It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome.
Speaker 3: Thank you for getting your pot on, Thanks for telling
a friend, and that's how we spread the word about
the pirate ship. I'm so excited because Mark's here, new gig,
all excited.
Speaker 4: I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: Laura's here.
Speaker 3: Inner Green did not get to go out yesterday, for
that was the big Saint Patrick say, celebrations right here.
Speaker 2: Laura's look good. How's going on over here?
Speaker 5: Mark's got that new confidence coming with the new job.
Speaker 4: No, I just said she's looking good. Joel, Joe's my buddy.
Speaker 5: Oh it's okay.
Speaker 3: It is a weird time, right because it's hard to say,
like you don't want to say to somebody, hey, you
look great.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know if a guy said, girl, a girl
can see to another girl you look great, or say.
Speaker 2: To a guy, it feels uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: But if the guy says it to a girl, yeah,
it's they're creepy.
Speaker 3: Well, I remember I was sitting in one of my
grad classes. Now I'm an elder statesman there, I'm gonna
be fifty. I'm as old as you, right, I'll be
fifty five this summer. And most of these kids are young.
And I look across the table and there's a girl
and I was like, Wow, she looks really good today.
And I thought I cannot say that. And I didn't
mean it in a creepy way. It just kind of
the thought went in my head and I was like, well,
he's saying I think you.
Speaker 5: Can say it as long as you don't say it
in a creepy.
Speaker 2: Here's the problem.
Speaker 4: You can still say it.
Speaker 2: I mean, if if.
Speaker 4: Doug said told someone they looked they look good, they
would actually think it's creepy.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe, But that's my point is that I'm old,
So what is that? You know what I mean, that's
the problem. And it's true, that's the problem. And so
I wouldn't want to say that to someone young. If
I say something to someone who's a little more age equiment,
hey you look great.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I don't think it's bad. I think it's
okay to be complimentary of someone and there's a difference
between complimenting them like Laura looks good today, verse like hey,
what's up, sexy MoMA? You know god baby?
Speaker 2: Ye do guys say sexy mom to you? I don't
know because I yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean I could go, hey, hey, looking right and how you?
Speaker 4: Uh No, I can't good, I'm actually creepy. Well it
just comes right out.
Speaker 3: And maybe maybe, but your boyfriend went out with your
friends the big sing Say celebration and came home with
all the tea.
Speaker 5: Oh I was getting. So yesterday I had my oldest
son had playoff basketball game. Then he was in a play,
his school play where he had a role. Back to
his basketball game championship where he won, then back to
the school play. So it was carding him back and
forth for nine hours yesterday, and Joe was like, well,
I'm gonna go out with you. No, he came to
the he came to the basketball games in the first play,
but then at like three o'clock he's we're done. I
don't need to go to the second play. So he
went out and met up with a bunch of my
friends and immediately I start getting text messages of one
person who I said I'm not going to say the name,
and yeah, oh, him and his girlfriend are fighting and
blah blah blah. And then he runs into a couple
of my female friends and two of them are like
fighting over another guy, and so he's telling me both
of them and yeah, I got all the gossip. And
when he got home last night around ten thirty, I'm
getting ready to go to bed, and he is just
talking my ear off and he was like, guess what happened?
And then I had to drive someone this late. And
then we went to Winfield and so and so didn't
show up for the one girl that wanted to be there.
Oh my god, he was a teenage girl last night.
Speaker 3: That's kind of funny because you know what, as I'm
hearing you talk, I'm starting to think, like most of
your friends around your age right in their forties, so
I'm starting.
Speaker 2: To believe over and over.
Speaker 3: And this kind of plays in even my weekend a
little bit that through the first half of our life,
we're winging it, and then you get to somewhere between
forty and fifty and you start to go, well, a
lot of this stuff was bullshit, but sometimes we regress.
Speaker 2: When you hear women fighting over a guy. Yup.
Speaker 5: I mean that's and this is like f two friends
of mine. One is thirty six, yeah, currently separated from
her husband. The other is forty three, also in the
process of getting a divorce, right, fighting over the same guy.
Both talking to Joe about it.
Speaker 4: So the joke is, the joke is is that I
go I've been I went to a lot of my
friends first weddings, and when I got my forties and fifties,
I go to I've been going to their second weddings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, right, So that's what the ages were.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing that I wonder, because you get divorced,
and you got divorced for a reason, but primarily there's
something something was a mess or not not good or whatever,
and then to try to be jumping back into something,
you know, is I don't know if it's because of
the it's familiar, it's what feels right.
Speaker 2: I want someone that's gonna treat me right.
Speaker 3: But I would say the better thing to do is
to just sit and figure out your shit, because you're
just bringing that same shit to the new.
Speaker 4: Right meet the new boss, same as Zula bas Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, am I wrong? No?
Speaker 5: And I told you as soon as I got here.
Another one of my friends who's yes later forties, Josh,
broke up with her boyfriend of two and a half years.
Speaker 4: And fine, Wow, she is a.
Speaker 5: Packaged dime like, she's amazing.
Speaker 4: I would even go in retirement, and so I would
be I would date her retirement.
Speaker 5: She is, she's absolutely amazing, and her boyfriend of the
past two and a half years was nice, but I
didn't ever feel that it was the right fit for her,
and so you know, things that you wouldn't say when
she's happy, and now she's she is the one who
broke up with him because she's like, I didn't feel
like our futures were aligned. I'm like, you're right. You
were way too big of a person for him, even
though you're so small and petite, like you're loving, you're compassionate,
like you are outgoing, you have this personality and he
was never at your level. Well, I actually just texted
her because I told her.
Speaker 2: What I told her hold On, I told her I.
Speaker 5: Was on here, and I just said, when you're ready,
I want to bring you on the podcast and have
men send in their bios to date a Webster mom.
She wrote, Oh my god, how fun.
Speaker 4: All Right, I send her my resume.
Speaker 3: I'm going to spill something here that I really have
no talk about. But we're coming up on the thousandth episode.
Speaker 2: Oh and I'm.
Speaker 3: Thinking that we may have to do it out live somewhere.
Speaker 5: That would be so much fun.
Speaker 3: And there's a couple of different things that we would
probably center it around. The music game we play, okay,
so even the audience could play with us.
Speaker 2: And but then we could have data hatty, I could
have data haughty. There's a guy that says he wants.
Speaker 5: To do uh guess that penis.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: There's a guy who wants to do the uh oh,
what was the movie with Paul Newman where he was
in jail on the fifty eggs or something like that. Anyway,
the fifty egg challenge. He wants to do the one
hundred deviled egg challenge.
Speaker 2: Oh a listener with Doug dougle makeum, well, I don't know.
So I got to figure that out. I could have that.
Speaker 3: Guy sitting on the side and we give him the
entire show to consume all the eggs and we can
talk to him because we figure maybe we'll go fifty
eggs because there's mayonnaise and shit and paprika. So you
just do fifty because really, it's a half an egg.
Is what a deviled egg is. It's a half the egg.
So it's not the cool Hand Luke challenge. That's what
it was, Cool Hand Luke movie. So we could do that,
we could do our trivia game, and we could have
you know, the meat.
Speaker 4: A hottie has hot friends. All Laura's friends are hot.
I swear to god, I felt like I was in
a freaking Victoria's secret party when we went to our
house for birthday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have h Yeah, that's true. There's women that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, most of my friends are you know, that active
state of mind through the gym, you know that I've
met so Yeah, women who take care of themselves but
still have fun your friends.
Speaker 4: You know, I have friends that date your friends. So
that kind of yeah, that kind of like makes me
think I have a chance.
Speaker 5: I was actually out with them the other week.
Speaker 4: I love him. He's my roommate. Who's that one of
her friends? Boyfriends I lived with? Really, Yeah, we went
into each other at a lawer's party.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my one of my closest college friends, Megan has
been dating his college roommate, right, was of.
Speaker 4: My college roommate.
Speaker 2: Okay, we just lived, we worked together.
Speaker 5: Okay, Chad, and yeah he's great.
Speaker 2: But it's it's all.
Speaker 3: Here's what I keep going back to, because, like you're saying,
you know, people ending relationships and stuff, we follow a
script in like that in our twenties, right. I knew
what I wanted to do since I was a kid.
I wanted to be on the radio. I knew I
was going to be on the radio. That was the
end of that was it? That was where I thought
it would end for me. I really did.
Speaker 4: Is Is that funny?
Speaker 2: Well? I mean it.
Speaker 4: I mean I could.
Speaker 3: I should talk a little bit more about that whole situation,
because I didn't for a long time. Uh, And I
could give the whole reason behind what I did. But
but the script was there, right, So you I got
the job. I didn't want to bounce around the country.
I stayed, you know, in Rochester. I ended up doing
the mornings and things like that that I wanted to do.
Then I got to leave and go to another station
in town that I wanted to be. I like their
management better, you know what I mean. I was having
a lot of fights with management in my stuff, and
then it uh, would you get married, buy the house,
you have the kid, you do all this and it's
almost like there's a script for the first half of
your life. And then you get to around forty fifty
and you go, no, no, no, this is all bullshit.
Speaker 2: I'm going to run this script.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just feeling not totally fulfilled. I mean, I said
I married the first good guy that I dated because
I was like, all right, this is what you did.
He wants to get settled, you know, And I did
the followed the routine, and then I was like, God,
I'm so unfulfilled. And I talk about people looking at
the outside in I was like, it looks like I
have that white picket fence style life, but I was
I felt empty inside a lot of the time. I
loved my kids. My kids definitely helped, but then I
was like, I was staying for the kids for a while.
Speaker 4: It's funny because I did the same thing you did. Bill.
I mean, I wanted to be in radio. I wanted
to be in TV deb's but I found out something.
Everybody laughed at me when I first took this job.
They're like, oh, my God, he's never going to the
last of the job. I found out I should have
been a teacher.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: I was actually that was my colleagues to be a teacher.
And I never knew that until you know, I started
doing you know, until I started working and doing that,
you know, and it's like, how my life changes at
age fifty five? Then it was you know what I mean,
it's a big change from what it was even when
I was thirty five, right, So it's like, yeah, in me,
they mean I never got married. I'm very selfish. I
don't want to share things, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do. I get it.
Speaker 4: But when I got engaged this girl, when I was no, no, no, no,
it's a different girl.
Speaker 5: Oh go ahead, time how many girls have you or
how many times have you been engaged?
Speaker 2: Three? He got engaged this girl was a teacher.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and very ironically, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3: And he came in and uh, he was you know,
talked about it on the morning show and he was
bragging and this and that. So it was like, cool,
let's see the ring. Let's see the ring. And he
comes in the ring and it was like a really
tiny diamond now, Mark was what twenty two twenty one, I.
Speaker 4: Think twenty four to twenty five years so, yeah, and
working in a radio station making no money.
Speaker 3: So we used to go like this, like Mark went
in to get the diamond out of his eye.
Speaker 5: Mark.
Speaker 3: Mark went to one of those bubblegum machines and twisted
out the thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, but it was like,
but I remember where I got it.
Speaker 3: And then it ended, and none of us were like
even really surprised. But it is funny that that you
were following the script, but in.
Speaker 4: A way, in a way, but it ended because of
the radio, because we were going out.
Speaker 1: I was me.
Speaker 4: I was getting these you know, we were looking up
with hot girls and shit, and it was like, you know,
that's why that was me. It was the reason I
did end it. I never cheated it on her, but
I wanted to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think like I didn't expect to be
doing this. I figured I would, you know, just finishing
radio because I had the number one show at the time.
I was bringing in the most amount of money in
terms of endorsements when I was still there, and then
the unexpected happened, and you know.
Speaker 2: I was like fuck.
Speaker 3: And I got to tell you something, man, that was
maybe one of the hardest times of my life. I mean,
it fucking dumped me on my head.
Speaker 4: This is like, what else am I going to do?
Speaker 2: Well? I didn't know.
Speaker 3: And at the time, I'm fifty one, and people are like,
go go go to Chicago, go.
Speaker 2: Do the radio.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, who's hiring a fifty one year old
radio personality who's not familiar with your city. I mean, well, yeah,
a good, good point. So I dumped everything into this.
But I had no direction, Like I just I had
no direct I didn't know, like podcast is not exactly
the same as radio, you know, it's really not. And
I was doing it like radio. So it's taken like
this long. And then somehow I fall into this mental
health thing which I I wind up at. The guy
who got me into the program was thehead of the program.
He just had his wife through a fiftieth surprise birthday party.
And I go over there and actually my brother calls
me and this is and I and I said, hey, man,
I'm at a fiftieth surprise birthday party.
Speaker 2: Goes, what are you doing hanging out with such youngsters?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Because I'm older, right, and I'm like, fuck you. But
the thing is like, even there, I'm hearing from some
of his friends, they're going, man, he loves having you
in class because you just say it.
Speaker 2: You're so not a college student. You just say things.
Speaker 5: You have life experience.
Speaker 3: I have life experience. So all that stuff has really helped.
And now there's a direction, right right. I have a
plan of more what I want to do.
Speaker 4: But it age fifty five, fifty five, and that's fantastic,
it is.
Speaker 3: And that's what I was thinking about with you, like
you reinvented. Not that the clock's ticking, but you're not
at a time you know what's right.
Speaker 4: And it's I mean, when I was working at the
liquor store, what five best thing that ever happened to
me was getting robbed? That wasting never happened. It was
I got out of there and then I went right,
you know, and I started doing the bus full time.
So it was that was that was that was the
best thing. But I don't know, man, I forgot. I
was going to fucking say help me, Bill, No.
Speaker 2: You're fine.
Speaker 5: You're talking about being fifty five, having life experiences, not
knowing what you're going to do yes jogging anything for.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, I was gonna.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: I was given up. I was going to work at
the liquor store under the table and that was it. Yeah,
I was giving up at age fifty fifty two.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's weird because, like you know, even Laura,
I don't even know how you started.
Speaker 2: When did you start your organization business?
Speaker 5: In twenty thirteen?
Speaker 2: So while you were still married?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I actually I went to school for journalism. Yeah,
and I talked to people because when people ask how
did you get into this, and I tell them what
I wanted to do. I wanted to go into sports
documentary work and I wanted to move south and that
was my plan post college, and then I met my
ex husband very quickly on. Then I went into doing
event planning with Nick Entertainment. Then I moved to nonprofit
event planning and I hated the nonprofit field. You work
sixty hours a week and get paid thirty five thousand dollars,
and so I started. I really loved helping people move
when I bought my home, when my friends were buying
their homes, I found this creative hobby in helping them
design their homes and moving them, and I was the
friend who would be like, can I help you move?
Can I help them pack your house? Like, let's go
through it. And then it sort of started as I
didn't know what to call it back then, so I
called it a personal assistant for some very wealthy families
in Pittsford, like managing their homes, doing things like that,
and then it sort of just grew into organizing. But
now I'm sort of back into beyond just organizing, doing
moving management for people and doing a lot of the
senior downsize And you like that more?
Speaker 2: Do you wish you had followed that other path?
Speaker 5: I always will wonder what if, oh, I.
Speaker 4: Can see that's what I wanted to do during a
football game.
Speaker 5: But I wanted to do like more of like an
in depth documentary work during like into the sports. I
love sports. I'm such a sports girl, and but I
love the writing and I loved doing documentary work, and
you couldn't hire. I did an internship up here and
I hated it. I did not want to do local news.
I did not want to write for a local newspaper.
And I was moving down to Raleigh when I met
my ex husband and I told him very quickly, like
if I stay up here, I'm giving up my career
for you.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I got to tell you when a young
guy hears that it's love, well, like I mean she
loves me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's really what it is. And then
it's it again.
Speaker 3: It's like you're following some script that's out there. I
guess I worry about this too, because I have sons
in their mid twenties early to mid twenties, and I do.
I worry, like are you following a script? And are
you getting out there? I used to try to push
them to like take off, go to the mountains and
be a guide for the summer, or work in a
national park doing something for a summer. Don't you know,
see how big this world is and get out there,
because if you stay and it's.
Speaker 2: The same thing. It was exactly what my dad got
thrown out of the seminary.
Speaker 3: He was in there to be a priest, but he
had stuck a lit cigarette and the Virgin Mary's fingers
and invited somebody named Peaches with a really short dressed
to parents either I don't know, and they just said,
we don't think this is for you. And my father
always say it taught him how to really write well
at the seminary, and he wound up working at a
bank and they go, you got to go to college.
You're too smart not to. So he applies. But now
it's August, so everybody is accepting him for a January
admissions and just like you, and just like you and
just like me. It was so a priest came to
him and goes, if you don't get out of here now,
you're never going to leave Brooklyn because you'll meet a girl.
Yeah right, you'll decide to stay, You'll decide to do
this or whatever. So the only college that accepted him
for that fall was Saint John Fisher. He had never
been here, had never been to Rochester, got on a
plane with a suitcase for a week's worth of clothes,
and his parents drove up the rest. And that's how
it happened. That's crazy, and he loved it, right, But
again it's that same thing. We start to follow the script, Well,
my parents did it this way, this is how society
says we do, and then it's somewhere in your midlife
to go, fuck this, I'm writing the script.
Speaker 5: I joke that you know I was so not prepared
to be in a relationship when I started dating Ethan,
like I being in an actual relationship was the last
thing that was on my mind. So it progressed quickly too.
I was twenty two. We got engaged the next bought
a house together within nine months, then got engaged, then
got married, and it was just such a blur.
Speaker 2: Were you married by twenty three years old?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: Twenty five? Okay still, but yeah, you know, it just
was so so quick, and then it was like, wait,
what the hell did I just do? You know, I
definitely had regrets right away, like going into getting married
because I was like, I was young. I did not
plan had I known that he was going to be
And I would say this, had I known he was
going to be who I was marrying, I would have
gone hog wild a few months before because I was
not ready to settle down. But he was like the
first really nice guy that I dated. I diated assholes before.
Speaker 3: Well, it also feels like the problem sometimes in life is.
Speaker 2: You you don't.
Speaker 3: Get the manual or the instructions on how to live
until you've assembled the furniture wrong, you know what I'm saying,
Like in your life and now you've got to dismantle
the furniture, and you've got a meaning. You break up
with Ethan, and you know now you have two children together,
and you're trying to balance how that all works out
and keep things stable and working for them, right, you
got to keep things good for them, and that's not easy,
and it's it's like fuck man, and it is weird,
and some of us, like you and me, it's much later, right,
it's much later.
Speaker 2: Because when I when I left.
Speaker 3: Radio, like, everybody's like, well, why didn't you sue? Why
didn't you sue? And I said, I did go to sue.
I met with lawyers. I had people come to me
and go, you got a lot here, and I met
they told me what it was going to cost, and
I'm like, and then they wanted to meet with I'm
just going to say it because normally I would try
to dance around it. They wanted to meet with John
de Tulio because it was it was the accusations.
Speaker 2: At a party at his house.
Speaker 3: When they did this investigation as to whether or not
I touched somebody in appropriately at a party, everybody came
back saying no.
Speaker 2: The person who was the.
Speaker 3: Accuser said that there was something that happened and then
made it even worse and said he didn't talk to everybody,
and there were people that they then talked to and whatever.
Speaker 4: The accuser had one person that said it happened, right.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I really don't know. I have no idea,
but yes.
Speaker 3: And then so then I so I leave the lawyers
and I call John de Tulio and I say, they
want to meet with you just for coffee, and he's like,
no problem, this is like a Friday. And then I
get a text from him Monday morning saying I'm uncomfortable,
and I said okay, and I said can I call you?
He goes, nope, I'm getting ready for my show. I said, okay,
is there a time that I can talk to you later?
And we talked briefly, and I think it was that
management had come in and go, if they ask you
to talk, do not talk to anybody. And you've got
a job, right, I mean, I can't blame him, but he.
Speaker 5: Don't want to get canned.
Speaker 3: No, exactly right, So I can't. So then I'm sitting
there and I'm like, oh my god. So I go
back and I'm waiting on the front steps the lawyers.
It was just as we're coming out, I'm like, I
guess there's still some COVID protocol, right, because this was
twenty twenty two, and I'm standing on the steps and
this retired Supreme Court judge was going to be part
of this team.
Speaker 2: And he stands there and he goes.
Speaker 3: Basically said, what a shitty friend John was in so
many words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I said, and I said to him, don't
do that. I go, don't do that. That's what I
said to the guy. I don't want to talk like that.
So then we get inside and I go, Fellas, I
don't want to do this, and they're like, what do
you mean? And I go, well, first of all, it
was going to be like fifty grand up front and
then you know what I mean, right, because it was
going to be a big thing. And I'm like, I
don't want to do this. And they said, well, what
if we did it, you know, pro bono or whatever,
blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, first of all, I'm
not I don't know. I said, I really am uncomfortable
with this. Because they wanted to hire private investigators that
were going to go talk to these people.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I've.
Speaker 3: Already had somebody who was like a brother to me
turn his back. And I don't mean it like as
harshly as that sounds. What I'm saying is I don't
want to become the problem with all these people. Now,
what I kind of did was all my life, since
I was nineteen, all I've done is talking to him.
So and most of my adult life was at in Rochester.
So a lot of these people I have known since
I was twenty two years old. When I was on
the radio, I was twenty two and a senior at Fisher, uh,
and I've known them. So I didn't want I didn't
want those friendships to go away. Well guess what those
friendships are fizzle you know, is fizzled. They fizzled, and
that's okay. But the other thing was like I didn't
want to be that guy that like you're avoiding or
ducking you know what I mean, this whole ugly thing
that was going to come around.
Speaker 2: And so I just said, you.
Speaker 5: Felt like a black cloud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I go, fuck it, I'm walking away. And
I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 3: So I did this, and you know, now, and now
it's starting to burklet. But it took forever, and in
the meantime, I wound up in this program. And I
always was curious about people. I always liked helping people.
I like thinking more philosophically, honestly I do. That's kind
of my bed anyway, and it just seemed to kind
of find that that path.
Speaker 2: But you know, well, I.
Speaker 3: Got to tell you that that that was like there
were times where I couldn't get out of bed after
I thought I was the most fucking pariah person. I'm like,
because I always go I kept I wanted to say
to somebody, look at a pattern of behavior.
Speaker 2: Has anyone ever said I've ever done anything?
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say. I was just gonna say
that I've known you for thirty something years, and you wouldn't.
You would totally be in a dickhead and insult somebody, Yes,
but never touch I've never touched anybody I've known you.
I've never seen you do that.
Speaker 5: The accuser did anything ever happen to her? Was there
any fallout or turn on her?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I really don't know. I didn't I
didn't really follow up. I just know that, uh, that
station doesn't exist anymore. Yeah, you know, I'd love to
sit here and go, well, see what happened when you
fired me? I felt bad. And here's why I felt bad.
I think radio is suffering a problem of local. You know,
if you went back to smaller owned local stuff and
probably more of a spoken word format, you would do well.
So when I didn't give a shit if it was
someone who was accusing me of something or whatever, I
just simply was like, I hate seeing that happen to radio.
But the station did flip because they just think the
ratings were in the toilet and things weren't going well.
Speaker 5: I heard, and I don't know if it was on serious,
if it was local MI car Joe's Car. But there
was a commercial the other day and it was two
radio hosts saying, we will never use AI like you
will never hear an AI segment in everything. And it
was just like, you know, trying to combat what seems
like the inevitable for a lot of stations.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the thing is again, now you got
more choice. You get to choose the music you want
to hear. So I often think like the music format's gone.
The only thing that's I guess good about it is
you get more of the t and those types of
Top forty stations and stuff like you know, but the
music stuff. I have a friend who is a great
program director who says to me YouTube music is the greatest.
Speaker 2: Thing in the world. They just he goes.
Speaker 3: They put together a station I couldn't compete against as
a programmer in just terms of what they play. So
I think that you just have more options and stuff,
and this stuff is becoming more on demand, right The
podcast stuff is becoming more on demand, and people like that.
Speaker 2: That thing.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just it's the way. It's it's
what people are listening to. What's going to happen. No
one's listening to radio.
Speaker 5: I listened to Spotify playlists a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there you go, right, because you like that
and you put it together. It's what you prefer.
Speaker 3: You get to hear your favorite songs, so anytime, you know,
that was the whole idea of Top forty, was when
you would hear your favorite song all the time, Like
you hear this song, like God, they play the shit
out of this. Yeah, they're going to play it because
people are punching in and out and every time they
tune in whoever that is, they want to hear their
favorite song, so they would jam that most popular song
out there all the time. And that's that's sort of
the thing, you know. I don't know if this is
like as we're talking about, like midlife crisis. People always
go to midlife crisis. I just think it's when you
finally kind of stop lying to yourself about things and
you till you're out. My relationship doesn't work, and this
isn't really the career I wanted, and this isn't the
thing I did, and you know all.
Speaker 5: That shit they ahead, No, I was just going to
say that. They say that women he hit their peak
creativity age between forty five and fifty five, and that's
why you see a lot of women changing their lives
now or at that age, starting company, starting over, you know,
dorning something outside the norm of what at their age.
Speaker 2: Right, the kids are growing at that point, and you've.
Speaker 5: Done that, like we're saying right now, Okay, so I'm forty. Yeah,
my weekend was taken up by my kids. But in
five years they'll be less reliable on me and I
will have more time to do something more creative. I've
talked about this being a great creative outlet for me,
like still my writing. But I think that women are
trying to get back into something that excites them again
when they hit that age where they have more free
time again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's a really, really insightful thing you
said there.
Speaker 4: I wanted to see how I would have been in
twenty five I am now at fifty five. I only
have a couple of friends. I have no drama. I
don't hanging out people from Mark That's not as fun though,
you know, a little drama's always God, I have none.
Oh man, I was always in drama.
Speaker 2: Drama. All right, we'll take a moment, don't I don't
know how this will. This will go over, but.
Speaker 3: They're declassifying a lot of the aliens alien files. Oh yes,
So what happens if there's not the center of the universe.
We'll get to that right after this.
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Speaker 5: I know I still am looking for something to do today.
Speaker 2: I'll go for a beer with you, I think we should.
I will buy you.
Speaker 5: A you need to buy me a Pianne.
Speaker 2: Here's his ordered a shirt or you got it? No, yeah,
and they just got I have a ton of s yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I have stuff to do later, but we can
have a beer.
Speaker 4: I had the day off, and all of a sudden
they text me, like, before I came in here you
want to work, and I'm like, I got nothing going on?
Speaker 5: But at four? At four, it's one o'clock right now, right.
Speaker 4: But we're probably gonna be here too, So that's two
more hours.
Speaker 2: Eat it along, buddy.
Speaker 5: How long does it take you to get to half hour? Okay?
So what are you going to do in that hour
and a half? Mark?
Speaker 4: Go home?
Speaker 2: Take a nap?
Speaker 5: Old man.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: But Laura always celebrated Saint Patrick, saying, you feel like
you'd have fomo?
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 6: I mean, seeing everyone's stories last night, it was just
that's interesting because I did go and I didn't have
that same desire, and I had gone out the night before.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm just like, I have a lot of
stuff personally, personally personally for me, and then personally more
family stuff that's unfolding that is just wearing on me.
Speaker 3: And I think I'm just really tired, and I think
that shit just stretches you out.
Speaker 2: So and I was like, I've been here a million times.
Speaker 3: Exactly, I've been here a million times and I'll be back.
Speaker 5: I don't miss the crowds, but I just it's the
same thing of me with concerts. Everyone is happy, there's music.
It's just like a joyous thing. And that's what I love.
I mean, last year I went out, I did do Shamrocks,
and I don't think I was even drinking last year.
I was like, oh, we'll go for a little bit.
Speaker 3: But then, see, that's the problem with me is I
have noticed, right the things like I will lose myself
somehow in those situations, and I don't know what that is.
I don't drink at home. I mean, if I do,
I have one and stop and there's no compelling thing
for me to reach for another, reach for another. I
have gotten drugg at home. But when I'm with somebody
else who's also drinking, and then we're talking and okay.
Speaker 4: Don't drink alone. No, that means you're not in an alcoholic.
Speaker 3: So then but when I go out and I hit
that first, that certain point, and I'm like, this.
Speaker 2: Is fucking fun.
Speaker 3: I mean I become you know, vacation bills arrived ladies,
and I'm.
Speaker 2: Just I'm just having a great time.
Speaker 3: I'm laughing, I'm talking to people, I'm out, I'm being social,
and all I'm doing is avoiding the shit I need
to do, which is terrible.
Speaker 2: And that's where I go. I can't. I can't do
that anymore. I just can't.
Speaker 5: I mean, I had a couple of glasses of wine
last night because there was like two hours in between
the basketball finals and the start of the night school
play and the kids had a cast party, so I
invited all the moms over. I was like, we'll come
over to my house. I'll get some sushi and have
some wine. And you know, I had two glasses in between.
But I came home and was ready to go to bed.
Speaker 2: That's fine. And the other thing was all.
Speaker 3: My buddies who like shots Bob, We're not there, so
that made it better. And those are the guys I
like talking shit with and laughing. And you know, one
thing leads to another and the next thing.
Speaker 2: I know a former defense speaking of green people or green?
Speaker 4: Why are they green?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We always had were we not always taught that aliens
from Mars were green?
Speaker 2: I think we were. I don't know. The green Martian,
I don't know. And by the way, et wasn't green,
No like ship brown color.
Speaker 4: Well about the aliens on uh in close encounters? They
were white? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I I don't remember. I don't
think I ever saw close encounters.
Speaker 4: I didn't watch. The whole thing was boring.
Speaker 3: A former senior Defense intelligence official, his name is Christopher Mellen,
says the federal government has extensive UFO and by the way,
they want to change.
Speaker 2: That term to UAP.
Speaker 3: So instead of unidentified flying object, they now want to
call it unidentified aerial phenomena.
Speaker 2: Okay, because that's better.
Speaker 3: No one's going to change, now, who's going to change?
So they have satellite images of objects in space that
doesn't resemble anything humans have built. According to Melon, the
government holds a massive archive of photos, radar data, and videos,
including additional footage similar to the famous.
Speaker 2: If they say tic TAC, I don't know what that is.
Was there a ship that looked like a tic tac?
Speaker 3: Maybe go fast and gimbal UFO videos released by the
military in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: There was one that looked like.
Speaker 3: A TICTAC because I thought they were rewriting TikTok like
I really did. And then some of the most compelling evidence,
he says, are clear satellite images of unidentified craft operating
above Earth performing movements that are difficult to explain with
current technology, and the government now does prefer that term
instead of UFO. Under a recent order, federal agencies may
release more files related to UFOs and aliens through though
it's unclear how much will actually be made public.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. What the fuck is going on with that, I.
Speaker 5: Don't know, but these files will be more exciting too.
Speaker 2: Well, they will be to me too.
Speaker 3: And then it says Melon says, intelligence agencies historically resist
releasing classified information, so even if disclosure happens, it will
likely be slow and in complete. And he also says
the files probably won't confirm alien contact, but they may
show objects we still cannot explain absolutely.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're I think we are very selfish. If
you think that there's nothing.
Speaker 3: Else that's out there, that's a great term selfish, because
I do think like, if aliens aren't visiting Earth, then
having to introduce themselves, I completely understand why. Yeah, I mean,
you come down here, you come down here, and people
are fighting over what.
Speaker 4: Why don't we know they're not fighting on an other plane?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I guess I don't that, I definitely don't.
But I mean, imagine traveling across a galaxy, right, and
you come and land here and some people are arguing
about I don't, I don't pick anything absurd, gas stoves
on Facebook.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, you know what I'm saying.
I mean that gas prices, gas prices whatever. I mean,
it's just strange.
Speaker 3: But if they landed tomorrow, how do you think do
you think humanity would handle it? Well, if all this
stuff came out, what does that do to everything?
Speaker 2: We? Like?
Speaker 5: We can just shake those religious In.
Speaker 2: My notes, the first one was religion. I go, what
does that mean?
Speaker 5: I mean it would be crazy, right, yeah, reincarnation and
all that, you know, what we were derived from, and
Jesus and the Bible. It would make people go berserk.
But imagine on the extreme those churches. You know, you
can have a church that is for anything. So I'm
sure that there are like alien obsession churches. Those people
are going to be on their high horses.
Speaker 2: Man, that's a great point.
Speaker 3: I've never I've never heard of that because we only
know like the big religions, right, and in this country
you have the freedom of religion, but some religions get vilified.
Speaker 5: I guarantee, if we went on Facebook and googled like
alien aliens exist groups, there's going to be hundreds of
thousands of people who are like that.
Speaker 2: Great, I gotta do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really interesting. Don't doesn't scientology say I was
just go get.
Speaker 2: Sucked up by it. Don't you get in a spaceship
or something called tom cruise.
Speaker 3: But I mean that's the religion I always think about,
like freedom of religion, and then the one that gets
shipped on ship on the most is scientology.
Speaker 2: I don't know enough about it. I'm just saying it's
kind of a it's weird.
Speaker 4: I know. Is Katie Holmes's father when they had to
have her have bodyguards for a long time. Yeah, she
stays she was they were threatening her.
Speaker 2: I'm sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And her doing that show she has body I'm pretty
sure she still has bodyguards.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it gives you some insight, right, And it
doesn't sound good. Uh, you know, you hear certain things
about Mormonism and and that sounds odd.
Speaker 2: But Jesus the Catholic. The whole thing was a mess. Well,
here's the.
Speaker 4: Problem with the Catholic religion. I'm Catholic, not really anymore
grow Catholic. The problem is it never never modernized. It
should women should have been able to become a priest,
should have been able to be married. Yes, it was
like they ship, Yes things should have been done, but
they're doing it still the same way they were doing
it one.
Speaker 2: Hundred years ago.
Speaker 3: And if nothing, it proves how man made. That is, Like,
you know, that was always my thing with the Catholicism.
I always look at England in the mid century or
mid I don't even know, sixteen hundred whenever King Henry
the eighth he switched religion so he could get late.
That's that's what he did, right, and that's why that's
why they became more Protestant based, and Northern Ireland followed
and Southern Ireland didn't, and that became worse.
Speaker 2: And it's like, it's fucking it's.
Speaker 3: So crazy, because I go, I don't human beings can't
even merge traffic.
Speaker 2: You think you're going to be able to handle a
diploma sation.
Speaker 5: I mean, if this comes out that there is scientific
proof of aliens exist. People are going to go crazy.
It is going to be wild, right, you know.
Speaker 3: Look, I would say if tomorrow the government confirmed alien
technology exist, right, people start freaking out.
Speaker 2: But how would your life really change? And I'm thinking people.
Speaker 6: Are gonna start doomsday prepping probably, but you go to work, right,
you would pay your bills, and you'd probably watch Netflix.
Speaker 2: I just don't think your life would change that much.
I really don't. And maybe that's our selfish thing, and
I don't know.
Speaker 5: Maybe the X Files comes back to you all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, highly read it, but it reveals something about like
human beings, you start to panic about what you don't
even know, Like it's the uncertainty. Really, you're gonna go
to work, You're gonna pay your bills, You're gonna watch Netflix.
Speaker 5: I know. But that's like driving consumerism. It's just like
when they say that there's gonna be a winter storm
that's hitting and people go to the stores to stock up.
Like if you're like, now you need an alien prep
I mean really ha think about.
Speaker 3: Well you Okay, So this is a weird thing because
all my life I've had real trouble wrapping my head
around the evolution of man. And how come we still
have apes? We're one chromosome away, right or something. There
are our cousins, the chimpanzee whatever, why do they still exist?
And then there's us because most of the species that
have evolved are It's been an evolution through things. So
what changed? What was the why? Not the why of
how it happened? The why like the fork in the
road where human beings became less hairy and more rational
minds in all this.
Speaker 2: Stuff, and the apes stayed the apes. That's the thing.
And there are those that believe.
Speaker 3: And it makes me wonder because I often say, we
don't have to truck things in from other planets. Everything
we need is actually here on this planet. You got
all your resources, right. There is a theory out there
that that aliens came here for other resources and they
needed help getting these resources out, so they crossbread with
the ape, apes, the apes or whatever Homo sapiens at
the time as that evolution, I don't know.
Speaker 2: And that we have alien DNA and US.
Speaker 5: I love that, I know.
Speaker 2: But yes, I agree, I agree, And I'm not saying
it's real. I'm not saying I believe it.
Speaker 5: I'm saying my neighbor actually once they have a conspiracy
theory party where we all make the tinfoil hats, then
we do like projection of our conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: That but that's it.
Speaker 3: And then there are people that that channel certain beings right,
some from the metaphysical. But there's one and I'm just
gonna tell you and you can go look them up yourself.
Speaker 2: Bashar.
Speaker 3: Bashar is a alien from another timeline, like in the future.
Who this guy I think is his name is darryl Anka.
I may have that name wrong, but he channels Bashar
and he tells you basically how to live your life.
And I will tell you like this guy does says, no,
I watch it. There's no bullshit. It's like some of
these people are Charlatan's that say this. I don't get
that vibe from this guy. And I see a lot
of his stuff on TikTok and he's saying that aliens
will have contact with.
Speaker 2: Us in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3: But there are people and they send down, he said,
they send down like precursors. So there are people walking
among us to China see if we're ready.
Speaker 5: Trump.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just saying, like, well, okay, but like we
have a government trust problem already. Yes, right, so if
these files come out, do we start to believe now
it's not Trump, right, most of this stuff will be
from we had years.
Speaker 5: Yes, fifty one.
Speaker 3: And then you know, look, people say the moon alien,
the moon landing was CGI, so you know there's going
to be that theory at all. And I do wonder
if you know, if this all did come out, what
the fuck would happen?
Speaker 5: I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am too.
Speaker 5: I have a friend who's obsessed with space theories and aliens.
She actually started a clothing brand based on like real aliens. Yep,
like wait, it's called Who Made Who Like Aliens? Yeah,
I have some sweatshirts and stuff. But she actually just
got like a spaceship tattoo this weekend.
Speaker 2: She did. Yeah wow, what she looks like?
Speaker 3: Just hot, Just the hottest alien you'll ever see. Right, Okay,
Mark has a good, good eye for this sort of thing.
But what if intelligent life is common like or or
we're not so like? Bouchard will say things in some
of his stuff, some of it like really good life advice,
and it would be things like it may have been
where I got to think, like there is no you know,
what is the meaning of life? There is no meaning
to life other than the meaning.
Speaker 2: You give it. Right that whatever you give it, What
are you here for? What do you want?
Speaker 3: And like he talks about all these things and people,
he gives a better explanation of like manifestation and you know,
letting things in and letting go and how you're really
blocking stuff and it's it's interesting, it's like really interesting.
But then he does talk the alien stuff and he'll
say things like that people are are they're either already
here or or.
Speaker 2: We're not ready for contact.
Speaker 4: What I did ask Laura Fair if she had any
freaking ugly fat friends.
Speaker 5: I said, I think the only one that's married with kids.
But yeah, but this is her her clothing brand called
who Made Who?
Speaker 2: Who Made Who?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's all just like space trippy like stuff.
I mean, she's a she's a designer. She's a creative designer.
That's her job.
Speaker 4: So is she single?
Speaker 5: She's divorced and remarried again.
Speaker 2: Wow, these are kind of cool. Yeah, So yeah, they're not.
And they're not like the little green alien.
Speaker 3: No, right, that's uh, that's really interesting. I don't know,
it's just a thought if this stuff comes out. You
know what if we're like the zoo for these other.
Speaker 5: Places were caged animals, well, like they come.
Speaker 2: And just watch us and go look at this, look
at them ship? Yeah right there you go like.
Speaker 3: And the weird part is that's the thing that fucks
me up is I went to the Seneca Park Zoo,
our local zoo. They have a Rangutang's and I'm looking
at this rangutank and go, oh my god, it looks
like my uncle Joe, like it does it? Just and
you go, how does that still exist? And we're here?
What where was the fork.
Speaker 2: In the road? I don't know? Could it be the aliens?
Speaker 4: If you're standing along, I'm not thrown in the middle finger,
he'll he'll throw it back at you.
Speaker 2: The uh really have you done it?
Speaker 4: Of course they have.
Speaker 5: Well, now I don't want to go do today for
an hour and a half. Flip off.
Speaker 3: I don't go to the zoo anymore because my kids
are old. I remember being at the zoo and you
want to talk about like, you know, we have this
whole thing where kids learn stranger danger, which I always go, yeah,
maybe you need to go a little further advanced. Not
most people are not snatched up by strangers, not saying
it doesn't happen. We do know that it has happened,
but most people are getting harmed by someone they know.
So they have those play things ones like built like
an ice sculpture that the kids can climb out in
the playground, and then they have tunnels where the kids
can go in the middle and they can pop up out.
Speaker 2: Of it and stuff like a groundhog.
Speaker 3: So it's just me and it's Jackson and Jordan, and
they gotta be four, three and four. So Jordan climbs
to the top one thing, and Jackson ran into jameson
was the important. Jackson runs into the middle of a thing,
and I'm going, all right, guys, we gotta get it
going here, we gotta get going. And I can't get
Jackson to come out of the thing. He's just popping
up and then he when he sees me coming, he
pops back down. And I can't really fit in this tube,
like I'm gonna crawl in and pull him out.
Speaker 2: I really can't. I'm like almost two. I can't do it.
Speaker 3: So a woman that I worked with is there and
she says, I'll stay with Jordan, who's on the top
of this thing, and I'm kind of keeping my hand there.
Speaker 2: He's three.
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for him, like you know, the things are bumby.
She goes, I'll stand with Jordan if you want to
try to go get Jackson. I start heading over to
get Jackson. And I'm telling you within twenty seconds because
she says.
Speaker 2: Hi, Jordan, and I work with your dad. He goes
a big, deep voice, Hey lady, get away from me.
You're scaring me, like at the top of his lungs.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm like running back and forth between the two,
and I was like, I can't get Jackson out of
the thing. He's laughing at me because I can't get in.
He knows I can't get him. He's in the middle
of the thing. He's for the other guy's screaming at
this woman, and I'm going, this is this is the
most fucked up thing ever. But what if four of
the animals in the zoo for the aliens, I could
be they come down and go, hey, we're gonna take
a trip to Earth.
Speaker 2: Eh, just gonna.
Speaker 4: Watch They're getta show right now.
Speaker 3: Oh I know what Bashar said. Bashar said that, uh,
tell up, not not telepathing.
Speaker 2: Things like but.
Speaker 3: Tele a transportation and where you can teleport yourself somewhere else.
He said, it's we're not able to understand the math yet.
But we were advancing in technology, but we're not able
to understand that math yet. And once we get to
that point, you will be able to teleport yourself. How
fucking wild would that be?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Traveling there goes the.
Speaker 4: Airline prices will Yeah, but how bad would they fight teleportation?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they wouldn't want anything, They wouldn't want anything. I
don't know. Yeah, I feel like, based on our our
recent track record, maybe we should uh send the Golden
Retriever to to another planet just to be nice. Right,
they're the nicest dogs there are, all right, we will uh,
we'll take them on. I have some questions for you guys,
because human beings are in my mind, we're fascinating, and
we spend a lot of time trying to appear normal.
Speaker 5: I don't know if to where the right people's head.
Speaker 3: No, you are and the other half are secretly googling things.
Speaker 2: We hope nobody sees. You know what I'm saying. That's
that's really what it is.
Speaker 3: And both of you have like different desires of things,
and I just find it.
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Speaker 3: There is somebody I would love to interview, and I
know this is behind the scenes, but somebody I want
to I would love to interview who I knew a
little bit, uh, fairly well known comic. Who is in
a relationship like Mary?
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same Is it the same one that was in Buffalo?
Speaker 2: No? That no, this is uh he used to be
with own A and different things like that. But that
was all. I don't know, but that that is a
great way in because.
Speaker 3: Uh, we are fascinating as human beings and all the
things that we try to I think most people try
to put it on an appearance of normal. I really do,
and we're starting to see more and more openness. I
showed you that app I forget what it was called,
because I still get the ads for it, but I
since I haven't gotten here, I no, no, I know
you did, I know you didn't.
Speaker 2: Forbidden or something. No, I forget there was I do.
I totally forgot but.
Speaker 5: I want to say it started with a.
Speaker 2: P oh, pure pure.
Speaker 3: I think it was pure, right, And you can find
all your fantasy kind of stuff on there, right, and
the people. My thing is like, we like things that
are a little forbidden. And I'm not even saying dirty stuff.
Why are Secret Menu so popular?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We like things that we think nobody backstage passes right
to go to a concert. I want something nobody else
can really have. It's a little forbidden, you know. I'm
not supposed to be back here. Vip rooms. Vip rooms
are crazy at clubs, but man, everybody wants to be
up there. It's a little bit, you know, a higher status.
I the speakeasies are making a comeback.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, yes right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Because I got my mother a tour of speakeasies for
Christmas down in New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then she's like, they don't do them at
a certain time.
Speaker 5: I go with march.
Speaker 3: I think I think she traded it in for something else.
Well only because no, it wasn't. It was more because
they were doing them later at night, and she wanted
to just do it as a day trip to New York,
and that means she goes, I wouldn't get.
Speaker 2: Home till late. She's seventy nine, it's dark. It's like
she worries about she could.
Speaker 5: Just find a guy to crash with in New York
for the night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be great. I'd love to see when I
wont do that.
Speaker 4: Oh I don't live in New York.
Speaker 3: But I mean, do we want fantasies or do you
just want the experience.
Speaker 4: Sometimes the fantasies you have and you visit, you get
to see your fantasy isn't as good as what you
thought it was going to be.
Speaker 3: That is exactly what I was thinking, because sometimes the
fantasy is better than the reality it is, right. I mean,
we hear about people with threesomes and things, and I go,
that could go horribly wrong.
Speaker 5: I talked about this with the swinger stuff, like not
swinging but going to like the voyeur is a more
experiencing it. I I just think that the fantasy in
my mind is so hot, yes, that there's no way
reality could live up to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what about like couples, because it might have
been Doug like after told me that he saw somebody
who was looking for a third on Facebook dating you
know where my husband and I are both straight, but
we're looking for a third we're looking for a guy
yeah and I guy yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was like okay, And I'm like, well, does
that make a stronger couple if you're open about your
fantasies and explore them together or does it all of
a sudden Like That's the part that I could never
wrap my head around again with swinging, is like how
do you watch the person that you supposedly love and
we're getting railed by somebody else and go that's hot?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Maybe, but like it in going along with someone who
shouldn't be said, and how he liked to watch, Like yes, yes,
I am so intrigued by that with other friends, like
I do have a friend who's sleeping with someone right now.
I'm like, oh my god, you guys are it would
be hot to watch the two of you together.
Speaker 4: I think about certain people.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, so you know.
Speaker 2: My mind my p's and ces over here.
Speaker 5: But yeah, but then also going the other way of
not talking about sex and stuff, there are just other
like the thrill of something that's more forbidden or risky,
that risky behavior and stuff. So I mean sky skydiving
something like that.
Speaker 3: That's a great analogy, right, because it's the novelty we
want to feel a lot. Yeah, and the fantasy can
make us feel alive.
Speaker 4: I mean there was a time when one time, you know,
I'm not supposed to talk about this, but I gotta
say this, where I got so bored. I went on
I was I was going on my phone. I was bored.
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, yeah, and it wasn't as good as
you had It wasn't.
Speaker 4: And you know, it was like, how long is this
is almost over? Geez? I mean, how much stuff can
you really want? You know?
Speaker 2: Do? Well? Right, right, you're stuck.
Speaker 5: Let me check my email.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 4: I was checking my email, answering my email, going on
Facebook tax message in.
Speaker 3: Well, do you think everyone has a secret fantasy they've
never told anyone about? I think so, like a secret
fan like you've never told Eddy.
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. That's when you mentioned that, you
know who the biggest people you have to watch out
for are the people that don't talk but they had
the fantasy but don't talk about absolutely.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, no, everyone knows I speak my mind,
but I think the majority and I'm going to say,
like eighty percent of people out there would never ever
admit their actual fantasies our fear of judgment or being
looked at like different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, even.
Speaker 5: Though I guarantee the people who they're talking to have
secret fantasies on the shore. Absolutely, it's yeah.
Speaker 3: How do you get someone to open up about a fantasy?
And I don't mean that like show me the manual, No,
trust Well, because you're bringing up a great thing. Like
there's the term maps, right, Minor attracted person is what
it stands for, So someone who's attracted to minors. And
when this was discussed in a recent class of mine,
the person leading in the class said, you probably know
a map and don't know it because you know it's
you know that it's socially unacceptable. You've been able to
just navigate your life and blah blah blah. Put they're
a minor attract person, then that's kind of their thing,
And I go, if that's your fantasy, fucking shut up.
Speaker 2: Right, if that's true.
Speaker 3: But then there are other ones like I don't have that,
but I have there's be other things, you know, And
then I've had people tell me about one thing I
never understood. But I had a friend who talked told
me that he dated someone who had a rape fantasy
and she wanted him.
Speaker 2: What did you just say, I sort of do? Did
you just say I sort of do?
Speaker 4: Why are you surprised at this?
Speaker 3: I kind of am because it's such a horrible thing,
like it just and he wasn't really into it, so
he tried, but he wants She wanted him to like
pop out of out of like the bushes and drag
her in the house.
Speaker 4: Remember the donkey punch?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't is that real? Yes? Okay, I
mean yes, she.
Speaker 4: Must have done it before.
Speaker 2: She wanted me to dunk. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, How
am I?
Speaker 4: How am I going to do something like that? I
don't know, Laura, would you want to get docu punch?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I just wondering.
Speaker 5: I mean we've talked about like my choking, hair pulling,
all of that type of stuff. But I I see,
I understand the rape fantasy. I know it sounds absolutely horrific,
but I get it. It's definitely have crossed my mind.
Speaker 2: You have to have like somebody you feel really safe with.
Speaker 5: I would assume, well, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: You know it's like going through a haunted house and
just knowing, oh, that's really just Joe behind the mask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it makes you feel a little safer.
Speaker 5: Yes, but they say, like have a safe word. I
mean I've there. I will never can shame anyone. But
there are some things that I am not really willing
to do. But I've listened to there's a podcast I
forget what it's called. I think it's called Why Are
People Into the at And they take like deep dives
into people's kings and you know, and it's just that
they interview people who are into it and it's very interesting.
Speaker 2: A kink that that would like that you go, I
don't know.
Speaker 5: The pee thing I already said.
Speaker 2: Too, that's a fantasy.
Speaker 5: Yeah that Boldemore asked about that, and I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh, I could have cured athletes, but I don't want
to shower.
Speaker 5: I'm not really sure, but like, yeah, there are things
like that, or I think I talked about the TV
show that was How to Build a Sex Room, and
it's people who are into all different types of erotic
pleasure and some of them were like a married couple
that they've been married for thirty years and they're like,
we want to spice up our sex life.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I mean most guys at this age.
I heard a guy the other day he says, now,
I laughed so so hard because one.
Speaker 2: Guy's like, yeah, I thought I was getting laid the
other night.
Speaker 3: And he goes and he's like, you still ask And
the guy's like hey, he goes, go and he goes
because I usually just go, hey, is this going.
Speaker 2: To be a group project or a solo?
Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing, but I'm like, I guess that's what it
gets to at some point. But you're right, the excitement,
that's the thing is like you look at people who
have had really long relationships. And I have a friend
of mine, she got married, divorced, remarried, they have no kids,
she has had no kids, and they have a really
cool life together and they're like the perfect couple together.
And yeah, they do all kinds of like kinky shit.
I'm pretty sure, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 3: I just think it's novelty. I think people like novelty
in food, they like that forbidden thing. They like it
in music, Like if I'm going somewhere to see, you know,
a private thing, there's something about that that that's exciting,
and then the fantasy thing. And I think I really
think sometimes uh, they say something about who.
Speaker 2: We are a little bit.
Speaker 3: But it also could just be the brain entertaining itself
because once you play it out. We've heard too many
disaster stories about like, you know, anybody who's into that
is kind of gross and and they're all, you know,
people that are open. But I think I think people
are becoming more comfortable and talking about it. Yeah, and
that's the maybe you'll go out and you'll find have
you ever been approached in what terms they like to
join somebody? Or do you know anybody? I think I
know of people who have been approached to.
Speaker 2: Be like.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think I've ever been approached for
like a thruple or anything like that, but I mean
I've been approached for other things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you've an approach for other things I don't
even want to as well.
Speaker 5: Like proposition about like having sex or yeah, but not like, oh,
come I have a threeesome with me. I mean I
think there's been jokes. Yeah, but if yes, if I
had played into that, and I think it would, I
would have said more when I was actually married. There
were people who would maybe say a few things to
me because I've always been outspoken, and if I would
have played into it, they would have absolutely yeah, sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you think people I think people hide behind jokes. Sure,
it's a way to deflect. So if you don't bite,
their safe. And if you do bite, that's what they
wanted to begin with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Pushing the boundary is like how far can
I go with?
Speaker 4: It's true? No, I'm the king of that. I am
the king. I was the king of that. What I just.
Speaker 5: Thought of something? I am?
Speaker 2: She sat on her keys.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 5: A few years ago I was still married. In a
group of friends, they had a photo of me with
a beer can in my mouth, like I can put
my mouth around a beer can, and my friend like
found it on her husband's phone.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh.
Speaker 5: He had like saved it and she ended him about it.
Speaker 2: What did he say?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny.
Speaker 4: I don't know, how did you get off to that?
Speaker 5: Huh?
Speaker 4: How I'm trying to think, how does that?
Speaker 5: I think it was like we had been like a
girl's weekend and I was in abra and like a beer.
Speaker 4: That's different and of course.
Speaker 5: And I heard from like another mom. She was like, oh,
so and so is pissed because her husband like had
it saved on his phone.
Speaker 3: He was in the bathroom right over the sink, that
thing propped up against the mirror.
Speaker 5: I was like, how do you get the fucking phonto? Like,
did he take off his wife's phone like it was
in like a grip chat with just the mom's.
Speaker 4: Was on Facebook. No, he totally went through his wife's phone.
That's fucked up. Oh, I know that's fucked up. Going
through someone's phone really is fucked up.
Speaker 2: I did someone go through your phone?
Speaker 5: Story?
Speaker 2: I forgot?
Speaker 3: Well, Look, I have always been one where I would never,
when I was married go into my wife's purse. I
just wouldn't. It was kind of hurd space and I
wasn't gonna do it. I wasn't comfortable doing that.
Speaker 2: And yet there was you.
Speaker 3: There are other things where maybe you did overstep the
bad I don't know. I tried to always give people
their autonomy a little bit here, you know, and if
you're doing something behind my back and I I'm sure
I'll eventually find out, And you know, I'm not going
to live in some paranoid state of things. But yeah,
going through the phone is uncomfortable, it really is. Yeah,
and it's I think it's it's you know, it says
a lot.
Speaker 5: I think people discover tweeting spouses that way though.
Speaker 3: Well, if you have suspicion and stuff and you've got it,
I mean, you know, maybe you find it the information
another way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm faithful. Dude. Yes, I know.
I know.
Speaker 4: You know it's been questioned because of how I am.
Because you're dating me for three years and you don't
know how I am.
Speaker 2: What the fuck? Right?
Speaker 3: You know I'm still stuck on the guy who had
Laura's can't me too?
Speaker 4: Is that picture around?
Speaker 2: Vora has everything? All that picture will pop up.
Speaker 4: I'll find that because I would have to look.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure, but one of your friends still has it.
Speaker 5: That's the group that I'm not friends with.
Speaker 2: Him. Just call that husband. He's probably got it in this.
He's got in his hidden photos.
Speaker 4: He totally did.
Speaker 2: Everybody's got a hidden folder.
Speaker 4: Somebody he didn't hide it hidden?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: No, it was his phone background? Oh what what? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh I thought he was like pleasuring himself to this picture.
It's their phone background. Why would you do that.
Speaker 4: Now that that's fun, that's fucked.
Speaker 3: That's an idiot, that's a house ape. It's like, you're dummy.
Don't don't get caught. Yes, obviously, obviously, I just I don't.
I was never approached. I remember years ago, I would
broadcast from the Newport House on Fridays and sometimes we
would come down because he had a boat there and
it was part of like his deal for the slip
or whatever.
Speaker 2: We had great time. Place would get packed. It was amazing. Uh.
I was married and had kids, but there was this.
Speaker 3: Couple and they would come over and always talk to me,
and he would be like, hey man, they're they're looking
for you to be to go because they're like, oh,
we got big piece, you should come out sometime and.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. And I was too dumb to like
even know. I was like, I had no idea. I
wouldn't think anybody wants you wanted me. It's like, you know,
you want me to be joining you in something.
Speaker 4: How they look.
Speaker 3: Once he said it, I was like, oh, yeah, he
kind of looks like he's a porn dude.
Speaker 2: And she was like a platinum blonde all died.
Speaker 3: They would wear yeah, And I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
and you can see it like the other day I
or maybe it was last week, human red flags, Like
what are the human red flags? I go, yeah, sometimes
that's a human red flag. When I see certain people,
I go, oh yeah, I can see exactly what you're into.
I know exactly where you're going. But you got to
get the hidden the hidden folder.
Speaker 4: Form background. What a dumb ass.
Speaker 3: Right, But I've learned something about people, and you sort
of hit on this mark. The quietest person in the
room usually has the most interesting Google search history. Yes, right,
I mean that that's usually the quietest one. That's true, right,
because they don't you know, and if you can find
them and get them to open up.
Speaker 4: A little bit, sometimes it's not good.
Speaker 2: What do you mean the quiet ones?
Speaker 4: Sometimes they are up to no.
Speaker 2: Good, meaning they're looking to kill you.
Speaker 4: No no quiet ones. The judge people are the ones
that freaking are gonna get caught doing something, getting you know,
a hooker, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a guy in Mashadon talked to about him
on an earlier podcast that just got busted federal for
having those sex parties. Right, and the big thing is
he was a teacher.
Speaker 5: He was a teacher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm like teachers drink. Your private life's your
private life. He didn't have underage kids, and no one's
saying there was anybody underage. These were consenting adults that
he was hosting these parties. There was an entry fee,
there were certain rooms you could go into for certain services,
And I go, is it just the government not not.
Speaker 2: Getting their cut? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Look, we've taken everything that they thought was immoral, right,
weed legalized, gambling legalized, So.
Speaker 2: What are we doing?
Speaker 3: Sex drinking legalized? Yes, sex is the last frontier.
Speaker 4: And I being a teacher, he was a dumb ass
for doing that. Well, it's kind of very careful you
and I are. Yes, No, I understand, but you know
what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, teachers have fantasies, do though.
Speaker 4: They do, but they don't go on a podcast and talk.
Speaker 5: About Well he wasn't going on.
Speaker 4: And by the way, it's private home, man, it's just all.
Speaker 2: All by email was an email invitation out to.
Speaker 4: Certainly wasn't doing it on his freaking school computer.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure not. I'm sure not.
Speaker 3: But I go, well, it's consenting adults. What's the big deal?
And the big thing is he he's a teacher, And
I go, yeah, you don't think your teacher has There
may be a teacher who's part of the king society.
You're gonna throw him out of the classroom if you
found that out.
Speaker 5: That seems a teacher is gonna rusted for having sex
with a students that you shouldn't. Definitely there, I mean obviously,
but still yes, And.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of I'm thinking just things that people would
be into just because you're a teacher, a lawyer, a
leader of something, a business owner. Oh you like being
uh chained to a wall and whipped? I don't know
if that's your fantasy. Could you be a dominatrix?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah you can't really?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow, like hurting somebody wouldn't wouldn't mind?
Speaker 5: Like wearing high heels and stuffing all over someone? That's
so bad ass?
Speaker 2: Bad ass?
Speaker 5: Ugh, really, especially if I was getting paid to do it.
It's amazing.
Speaker 2: We see unexplained bruises on jil We know why, right,
that's the thing that's holy craft. All right, we'll get
out of here.
Speaker 4: I just uh what we're done.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna go have a beer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost two o'clock.
Speaker 4: Where are we going.
Speaker 2: We'll go to an Irish bar.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's gonna be crowded.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think yesterday was your big day. Yeah, yeah,
I think we're gonna go.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go to fair Part. Yeah, okay, is.
Speaker 2: That all right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's just up the road.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, are you coming?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Are you buying?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: You know, I get one thing to say? What's that?
Speaker 4: And I think that you should be a better host.
I think you should have like a cold cut tray
in here, you know, some some you know, different kinds
of you know, you know, I mean.
Speaker 2: Okay, is that what you want? No?
Speaker 3: I just went on, Actually that is true. Something that
a snack cupboard. All right, I'm in Hey, look, whatever's gonna.
Speaker 4: You know, I come in from a Monday. If I
come here on Monday and I you know.
Speaker 2: You haven't eaten yet? Yeah, you want dinner waiting necessarily?
Know what I got you?
Speaker 4: A couple of granola bars? Will freaking do the trick?
Speaker 2: Okay, I will get a snack cover going all right,
I'm that serious.
Speaker 5: I love this for you?
Speaker 2: Why do you love it for me.
Speaker 5: I mean it's great.
Speaker 2: No, but it seems it seems valid and fair.
Speaker 5: We're also here a lot, yes.
Speaker 4: Of course, but you don't have your money. You don't
have a lot of money anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: You're killing me.
Speaker 5: Why are you digging yourself in a ditch? Right now?
He just said he's gonna go buy you a beer,
and you're like, wait, now, I want this and this
and this. You I am, I also want.
Speaker 3: I'm financially fine, but I don't make what I used
to be.
Speaker 2: And that's it. I was just I had to sell
some one beer. I had to pull out of.
Speaker 3: Some things which maybe in the future could prevent a
problem present a problem.
Speaker 2: But I think right now work for all.
Speaker 3: Is it all right for Laura who wants he wants
her Saint Patrick's Day celebration, for Mark who believes the
quietest person in the room is usually the most dangerous.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, Bill Moran. We'll see you next time.
Just break the great Candidact in Tennessee. Thanks