1 00:00:16,879 --> 00:00:19,519 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,039 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior Elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,920 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:28,199 --> 00:00:30,960 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,679 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at fbr LST, 6 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,640 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,520 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:47,280 Our guest today is Ned Ryan, founder and CEO of 9 00:00:47,359 --> 00:00:52,799 American Majority, author of several books, and prominent conservative commentator. 10 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,119 Ned's new book, released this week, is a big one 11 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,960 on a monstrous topic, American Leviathan, the Birth of the 12 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:09,840 Administrative State and progressive authoritarianism. It is, like I said, 13 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:16,599 it stems from a long history, painful history of the 14 00:01:16,599 --> 00:01:20,439 growth of the administrative state in this nation. Need thank 15 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,000 you so much for joining us on this edition of 16 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,359 the Federalist Radio Out. 17 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, great to be with you, Matt. I appreciate 18 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,159 the opportunity I want to begin here. 19 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: We are within two months of I believe certainly the 20 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,959 most important election of my long lifetime. I think it 21 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:45,040 may be the most important election that we've seen among 22 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:47,719 the most important elections we've seen just for the basic 23 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,040 survival of this republic. But in many ways, we all 24 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:55,480 go about the whole notion of, oh, yes, this election, 25 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,159 this is an extremely important election. It's a critical election. 26 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,879 We've got to get out and vote. All of those 27 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,959 things are very important. I'm not saying that, so let 28 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:08,840 me be clear up front. But in many ways, as 29 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:12,960 your book notes, we're just kind of going through the 30 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:18,800 motions on the representative democracy side of things, because for 31 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:23,039 many decades, the real people in power have been the 32 00:02:23,159 --> 00:02:26,639 bureaucrats in Washington, d c. And elsewhere that are controlling 33 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:27,719 the administrative state. 34 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: You know, to quickly address everybody says, you know, this 35 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,680 is the most important election in our lifetime, I think 36 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:39,159 twenty twenty four actually is the most important election in 37 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:43,680 our lifetime because we are accelerating rapidly towards if we 38 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:49,759 do not stop, you know, one party rule, authoritarian statism, 39 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,639 if we do not win this election on November fifth. 40 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,439 It's hard to overstate how critical this election is and 41 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,840 that Donald Trump wins, because as you mentioned, we are 42 00:03:03,439 --> 00:03:05,280 what we are seeing and I've seen play out from 43 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,240 most of the last decade. People, you know, some people 44 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,159 are still confused as to what all this is about 45 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:14,919 between Donald Trump and DC and Russian collusion hoax and 46 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:17,479 Ukrainian quid pro quo and the law fare and all 47 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,199 those things. Peel all that away that has nothing to 48 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,120 do with anything except for some critical points. One Donald 49 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:27,360 Trump showed up January of twenty seventeen in d C. 50 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,400 And said, I'm duly elected president United States. I'm the 51 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,719 one who decides, and the administrative state said, we don't 52 00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:36,120 think so. We think we're the ones that decide. So 53 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,120 a lot of this conflict is about who decides. Is 54 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,800 that the duly elected representatives of the American people, who 55 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,439 in theory, and we can talk about more of this, 56 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,120 but in theory, are accountable to the American people or 57 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:52,280 is it the unelected bureaucrats. And it's a clash between 58 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,879 two very different governing philosophies constitution republic versus an administrative state. 59 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:04,199 And Donald Trump, all of this, these attacks, these hoaxes, 60 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:09,280 these collusion fairy tales are because Donald Trump rejects the premise. 61 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,360 He rejects the premise that the administrative state is legitimate, 62 00:04:12,479 --> 00:04:15,960 that it is constitutional, and that it decides. But Matt 63 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,199 I got to tell you, the whole point of the 64 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,040 progressive status at the beginning of the twentieth century was 65 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,079 that they would decide, I mean, they rejected wholesale. People 66 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:28,240 need to understand fundamental aspect of the progressive movement for 67 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,680 the last one hundred and twenty some years is a 68 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,439 fundamental rejection, in fact, a full on attack on the 69 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,759 moral and political authority of the US Constitution, a destruction 70 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:42,399 of the machinery of the republic. What do I mean 71 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:45,360 by that? The separation of powers, the diffusion of power, 72 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,519 which progressives hated very much. In fact, we have a 73 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,720 wonderful Bill of rights, matt enumerated bill of rights, that's lovely. 74 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,759 The greatest protector of our natural inherent rights is actually 75 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:59,959 the machinery of the republic, the diffusion of power. Progressive 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,639 this wholesale rejected that, and in its place they wanted 77 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:07,439 to put in a powerful, sprawling bureaucracy filled with an educated, elite, 78 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:12,800 unelected bureaucrats who, in their thinking, would actually do the 79 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,920 governing and managing of this country. Separated out. This is 80 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,079 the key part, MATT separated out from any political accountability. 81 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,360 And I think the only question I have after researching 82 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:26,439 this book and writing it is that how did this 83 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:29,839 conflict not burst out into the open sooner? And I 84 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:33,759 would say especially since Reagan. The reason is because most 85 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,720 people in DC have accepted the premise that this is legitimate. 86 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And that's the scary part about it. But 87 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:47,480 in twenty fifteen, ED we had a a businessman, a 88 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,879 very successful businessman, a guy who was pretty well known 89 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,759 across the country in many different spheres, who came in 90 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,399 and said something that I think really resonated with the 91 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:02,480 average American voter in a way that we have not 92 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:06,000 seen in a very long time in this country. And 93 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,480 that was I'm going to clean out the swamp. I'm 94 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:13,879 going to drain the swamp. And then he went about 95 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:16,600 talking about how he was going to do that. But 96 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,920 that very phrase, while it energized and excited a lot 97 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:25,120 of Americans to vote, a lot of Americans who had 98 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,879 not voted in a long time, a lot of Americans 99 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:32,920 who felt nice, enfranchised, disconnected, they felt like, what's the 100 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,879 use why bother? And Donald Trump drove those people back 101 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,959 out because those people felt like the swamp had dominated 102 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,920 their lives and they were absolutely right about that. But 103 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,279 it also simultaneously scared the hell Yeah, the people running 104 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,560 the swamp. And so here we are, right here, we 105 00:06:53,639 --> 00:07:00,360 are almost a decade later, and things that fear that 106 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,439 they would lose their jobs, lose their positions, their power, 107 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,879 their authority. Yeah, exactly. So we've seen how bad it 108 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,600 could be. How much worse can it get? Is the question. 109 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: These things tend to accelerate rapidly, right, It's like going 110 00:07:19,519 --> 00:07:24,000 into debck gradually and then all of a sudden to 111 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,439 me the fear is And I write about this in 112 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:31,319 the book Matt trying to explain the administrative state through 113 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,240 system dynamics and reinforcing loops and reinforcing loops, and a 114 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:41,040 system dynamics structure begins slowly over the course of time 115 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:45,279 accelerate and compounding interest at a certain point have accelerated 116 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:49,319 so much it explodes, right, and just rapid growth. And 117 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,319 that's really what the progressive set in motion one hundred 118 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,839 years ago, in that they believe the state is salvation. Okay, 119 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:00,360 This is another important thing to remember about progress is 120 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:04,399 everything needs to be subsumed by the state, corporations, individuals, 121 00:08:04,399 --> 00:08:06,680 and individual rights, and the state will give back to 122 00:08:06,759 --> 00:08:09,959 you any rights it deems necessary or beneficial to the state. 123 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:14,399 But if the state of salvation, Matt, the state should 124 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,160 be in every aspect of life. So people are why 125 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,040 is government continuing to grow in DC? This is insane. Now, 126 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:23,040 that's the point, that's one hundred percent the point of 127 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,720 the administrative state. If the state of salvation, salvation should 128 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,319 be in every aspect of our lives, whether it's healthcare, 129 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:33,159 or education, or even the church, you name it. They 130 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,759 think the state should be everywhere. And so why would 131 00:08:36,759 --> 00:08:39,240 you want to limit salvation, you dirty little peasants. We're 132 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,519 only trying to save you here. And even more so, 133 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,159 people want to know why does government continue to grow 134 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,759 and our government spending is out of control. Well, it's 135 00:08:47,799 --> 00:08:50,360 because the salvation of the state must be funded. There 136 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,440 is in their minds, Matt, the growth of the state, 137 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,919 which is salvation, is perpetual until salvation comes into every 138 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,000 aspect of our lives. At a certain point. That's where 139 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,960 I said both the administrative state and progressive authoritarianism. As 140 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,200 the state invades every aspect of your life, you must 141 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,440 submit to your betters, to this educated elite, to the 142 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,039 oracles of the state, because we're only trying to save 143 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,960 you Matt, that's how they think. We're only trying to 144 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,559 save you, So you best submit because we're telling you 145 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,320 what's best for you. And if you don't submit, we 146 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:25,480 will compel you because we know what's best for you. 147 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,000 So this, to me is a very frightening stage we 148 00:09:29,039 --> 00:09:33,159 find ourselves in in which these people who think they 149 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,200 are righteous in how they approach government and human nature 150 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,200 are in fact very rapidly have put us into a 151 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,759 place where I think the idea of freedom versus authoritarianism 152 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,000 hangs in the balance. 153 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a very interesting and compelling point you 154 00:09:49,639 --> 00:09:56,360 just raised about the state as salvation. It is dangerous 155 00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:59,639 to begin with, but it is absolute sacrilege to a 156 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:05,360 founded on Judeo Christian values. For any christ well, any 157 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:12,080 Christian who fully understands and embraces the power of salvation 158 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:17,440 through only one man who walked this earth, through a 159 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:22,000 Lord and a savior bigger than the government, bigger than 160 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,000 the bureaucrat. 161 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,919 Speaker 2: That has to that. 162 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: Whole notion really has to hit home completely. 163 00:10:29,639 --> 00:10:33,279 Speaker 2: People completely different worldviews on a whole host of fronts. 164 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:38,720 But the Progressives really bought into Gay Org Hegel's views 165 00:10:38,879 --> 00:10:40,559 of the world, and I don't even want to call 166 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,919 him a philosopher, a Prussian propagandas in the early eighteen hundreds. 167 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,519 But for them, Hegel believed that the state was the 168 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,000 marsh of God on earth. The state was the source 169 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,000 of all truth, all science, everything flowed from the state. 170 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,240 So I juxtaposed in the book the Founder's view of 171 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:01,159 human nature. And you know, I don't want to say 172 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:03,639 that all of them were Christians, but they certainly moved 173 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:07,480 within what we would call a Judeo Christian worldview, especially 174 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:10,639 as it applied to very fundamental things human nature. 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They didn't even trust themselves, by the way, 180 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,600 I mean, they're sitting there in Philadelphia seventeen eighty seven. 181 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:30,879 They knew they were going to be the president's vice 182 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:35,039 president's representative, senators, judges in a future government that they 183 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,960 were forming, and instead of working on in their own 184 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,200 behalf and their own interests, they actually did the exact opposite. 185 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,759 They created a government that diffused power because they didn't 186 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:45,600 even trust themselves. 187 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: Warmer sunnior days are calling fuel up for them with factors, 188 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:55,799 no prep, no mess meals meet your wellness schools in 189 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,200 time for summer thanks to the menu of chef crafted 190 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,480 meals with options like calorie smart, protein plus and Keto factors. 191 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:06,559 Fresh never frozen meals are Dietitian approved and ready to 192 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,279 eat in just two minutes, so no matter how busy 193 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:12,159 you are, you'll always have time to enjoy nutritious, great 194 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,360 tasting meals. 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They didn't 215 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,200 trust themselves more so they didn't trust each other. These guys, 216 00:13:34,279 --> 00:13:39,840 you know, pledged everything, their lives, their liberty, is, their fortunes, 217 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,759 to the founding of this country. But they also understood, 218 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:46,879 as Thomas Jefferson understood John Adams, and John Adams understood 219 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:52,720 Thomas Jefferson, that these were these were phenomenally intelligent people. 220 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,639 These were very realistic, the very realistic people. But they 221 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,440 understood their limitations. That is the power of the founders, 222 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:04,159 I think, to understand and stand their own limitations and 223 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,440 the limitation of man. 224 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: Yes, and even more so think about what they did. 225 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:12,519 They put in place a rights based government. Right, the 226 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:15,559 preable of the declaration really framed out what they believed. 227 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,200 We all these truths to be self evident, all men 228 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,200 a career equal. They are endowed by their creator with 229 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,960 certain unvailable rights that among these are life, liberty, pursuit 230 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,240 of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted 231 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,279 among men. Governments do not give rights. Governments are not 232 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,799 meant to take away rights. Governments are meant to secure them. 233 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,480 So when we talk about a rights based government, that's 234 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:37,360 what frames it out. And so then they're sitting in 235 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,240 Philadelphia seventeen eighty seven, going, how do we actually put 236 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:43,519 meat to the bones on those ideals of a rights 237 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:47,600 based government in which our creator has given us these natural, 238 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,000 inherent rights of which, by the way, no constitution, and 239 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,759 they knew this could ever cover all the absolute and 240 00:14:53,799 --> 00:14:57,360 incredible rights we've been given. How do you create a 241 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,759 government that secures those rights, takes none them away, and 242 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,000 yet at the same time is very realistic about human nature, 243 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:07,679 does not trust it. With consolidated power, you create the 244 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,639 machinery of the republic, that is, a separation of powers, 245 00:15:10,679 --> 00:15:13,519 a diffusion of power, so that power can never be 246 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:16,799 consolidated to actually abuse all of our God given rights. 247 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,159 Progressives rejected that wholesale. They believe power should be consolidated. 248 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,480 They believe that you should actually have your rights absumed 249 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,639 by the government because the state, with salvation, the state 250 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,200 would bring progress. And even more so, Matt when you 251 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,360 talk about a rejection of the worldview and the belief 252 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:38,519 system of the Founders by progressives. They believed in the 253 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:42,840 apotheosis of mankind. They believe that through the power of 254 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:45,720 the state in the here and now, that they would 255 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:50,360 elevate human nature to another plane, that they would somehow 256 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:54,519 reach perfection through the power of the all glorious, enlightened 257 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:58,360 and rational states. So when I say that they are 258 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,639 very too different governing philosophies, they are oil and water. 259 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:09,240 They are complete polar opposites. They cannot exist in the 260 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:12,120 same government. And that's the conflict that I think Donald J. 261 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,519 Trump brought to the forefront, this conflict of very different 262 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:18,399 world views. And again, the question in twenty twenty four 263 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,320 is which path are were going to choose We're going 264 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,000 to go back to restoring the republic or we're just 265 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:25,639 going to keep on slouching towards complete and total statism. 266 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,279 Speaker 1: Indeed, our guests today on this edition of the Federalist 267 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,879 Radio hour Ned Ryan, founder and CEO of American Majority. 268 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:39,879 He is also author of a massive book, and I 269 00:16:39,919 --> 00:16:45,600 mean that all frun. It deals with so many different elements. 270 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:51,519 It is the American Leviathan, the birth of the administrative 271 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,320 state and progressive authoritarianism. You referenced it before. The book 272 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,720 delves into it, the history of this where the origins 273 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:02,279 where it all started. I think about would Row Wilson, 274 00:17:02,559 --> 00:17:06,039 and I think about the progressives of that time. I 275 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:09,440 think about what he did under the cover, of course, 276 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,079 and there are lessons to be learned from the origins 277 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,720 of the administrative state to where it is at now. 278 00:17:15,759 --> 00:17:18,400 Of course, because again, as you mentioned, the idea is 279 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,000 state as salvation. Would Row Wilson saw that, of course 280 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:28,440 with you know, the creation of the notion of internationalism, 281 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:35,440 globalism all started there to a great degree. But actually 282 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,880 I think it began really with the whole idea of 283 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:46,000 my home state. Doug lavallat the progressive movement in this country. 284 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,960 While there were elements in that progressive movement of you know, 285 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:57,839 broadening the republic to include the voices of more people, 286 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,359 it was ultimately the idea of the state will run things. Yes, 287 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:09,000 where did all of this notion begin that the state dominates? 288 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: Well? It really so? How did this get injected into 289 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,839 our bloodstream? I would point out really quick you mentioned 290 00:18:14,839 --> 00:18:17,680 Woodrow Wilson. I talk about the four horsemen of the 291 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,839 Progressive Apocalypse in the book. Three of the four are Republicans. 292 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,799 And if you want to know where the UNI Party began, 293 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,880 go look into the early nineteen hundreds and especially the 294 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,759 nineteen twelve presidential election, massive pivot point in our history. 295 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:37,240 But how did these ideas get injected into our republic? Well, 296 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:41,079 late eighteen hundreds we did not have the university and 297 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,720 college system that we have today, which would be another 298 00:18:43,759 --> 00:18:46,160 whole conversation about whether that's been a benefit or not. 299 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,319 So to get an advanced degree you had to go overseas, 300 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:53,599 and a lot of these people seeking advanced degrees France, Prussia, 301 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:57,240 Germany now, but Prussia at the time in the Prussian 302 00:18:57,279 --> 00:19:03,480 state university system. Gay Org Hegel's ideas were being The 303 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:06,519 state university system in Prussia was being used as a 304 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:09,440 conduit for his ideas. So you go over there to 305 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,240 get your advanced degree, you get imbued and inculcated with 306 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:16,000 these ideas and go, oh, that's the solution to all 307 00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:18,480 of the problems that we confront as the country. You 308 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:22,799 come back and go, this antiquated idea of covenance and 309 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,279 a constitution and a natural inherent rights and limited government 310 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,359 absurd and ridiculous. It will not get us to where 311 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,000 we want to go in the twentieth century. So they 312 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,240 were taking these ideas of Hegel and bringing them back 313 00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:37,480 and going what does this look like in reality? And 314 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:41,720 so they started agitating for this. In nineteen twelve was 315 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:44,279 again the triumph at the beginning of it of the 316 00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:48,319 progressive movement. Woodrow Wilson wins. He starts the administrative state, 317 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:51,519 and then you have FDRs, the second sledgehammer of progressivism, 318 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:55,599 and the third sledgehammer is Lbjane is great society. And 319 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,720 over the course of the twentieth century, sledgehammer after sledgehammer 320 00:19:58,759 --> 00:20:01,480 after sledgehammer, and all of a sudden, the republic starts 321 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,359 to crumble, the machinery starts to crumble, the elected representatives 322 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,799 of the American people start to see their legislative authority 323 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:09,960 from the Article one branch to the Article two, where 324 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,759 most of the administrative state resides, and all of a sudden, 325 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:15,559 you find yourself in the twenty first century, going, wait 326 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:17,960 a minute. I tend to think, and I say this 327 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,119 in the book, Matt, I think we're kind of living 328 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,200 an illusion of a constitution republic. I think we have hope. 329 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,839 I think there's still a vestige of it, but when 330 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:30,440 in reality it's an administrative state based off a completely 331 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,559 different worldview than our founders. 332 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: I agree. I agree, and that there in lies the danger, 333 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:41,759 and back to our original point, therein lies the absolute significance, 334 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,319 among other points in this election. 335 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:46,799 Speaker 2: Yes, when you. 336 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: Mentioned and you deal with this, you know in the book, 337 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:58,160 But when did our congressional representatives, our representatives in this 338 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,519 representative democracy. You know, we keep hearing this from the left. 339 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:06,480 You know, Trump is a threat to democracy. They never 340 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,640 liked to mention this is a representative democracy. This is 341 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,480 a republic, for the love of God. But when did 342 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:19,480 we get the absolute abdicating of the first branch in 343 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,400 this country? When did that begin? As the formulation of 344 00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:27,720 the takeover of the second branch and the administrative state. 345 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: So really quick, I would like to make one point 346 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,119 about democracy. You guys at the Federalists wrote a really 347 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,359 good piece on Frederick Foresight and the Fourth Protocol this 348 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,799 past summer, which I had not read, so I read 349 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:42,519 it when I was at the beach and may He 350 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:44,640 made a very interesting point in that book when he 351 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,920 talked about a democracy of the committee, and in the 352 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,319 socialist leftis thinking democracy in their mind is only for 353 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:54,839 those that are committed to their twisted and warped worldview. 354 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,680 So I want people when anybody on the left starts 355 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,480 talking about democracy, that's what they mean. It's a democracy 356 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,759 of the committed, those committed to their world views. Those 357 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:05,720 are the only ones that should have a voice in 358 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:09,519 their version of democracy. But back to the question, when 359 00:22:09,599 --> 00:22:13,640 did Congress the Article one brand start to see more 360 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,599 and more power to the Article two. Well, it started 361 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:20,160 obviously in the nineteen twelve election, and that whole those 362 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,720 two terms of Woodrow Wilson, so early nineteen hundreds. But 363 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,599 I write in the book it's probably the late nineteen 364 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,960 sixties early seventies in which Congress pretty much just capitulate 365 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:32,640 and said, screw it, we're not actually going to do 366 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,640 the governing and legislating. And Matt, this is why you 367 00:22:35,799 --> 00:22:39,160 see we get four or five thousand page bills. People 368 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,200 like this is insane. Nobody's reading them. Well, that's the point. 369 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,680 They're just framing out generally kind of what should be 370 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,680 done or what they're thinking about. They send those massive 371 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:52,920 bills to the Article two unelected bureaucrats who through their 372 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,240 statutes and regulations, are doing the actual governing, and they 373 00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:59,079 flesh out what Congress is kind of framed down. That's 374 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:02,119 why I say again, that was the whole point of progressivism, 375 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:04,680 that these unelected bureaucrafts would do the real governing, and 376 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,640 Confress is like, yeah, that makes our lives so much easier. 377 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:10,960 And even to the point of Matt, it really feels 378 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,680 like we're going to make them do all of this 379 00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:16,000 and if they make a bad decision, we'll just go 380 00:23:16,039 --> 00:23:18,680 home to our voters and go you know what. I 381 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,240 wish I could have stopped that, but that's not my 382 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,960 fault with somebody at the EPA or the FDA or 383 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,920 one of these guys. I'm going to go back and 384 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,680 I'm going to really fight and make sure that doesn't 385 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,880 happen again as they go into the next term and 386 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,799 pass another four or five thousand page bill, and the 387 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:36,440 same thing happens. So they're really abdicating their role as legislating. 388 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:39,079 But they're also, let's put a fine point on it, 389 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,720 being gutless cowards because they refuse to govern for fear 390 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:45,079 that they might actually have to make a hard decision 391 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:46,240 that they will be accountable for. 392 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. Is it equal parts laziness 393 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,119 and cowardice? 394 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:58,039 Speaker 2: Yes? And even so this dynamic is taking place Article 395 00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:01,599 one giving to the Article two unco constitutionally, they're sub 396 00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:04,920 delegating their legislative authority to the Article two branch. And 397 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,759 then over the course of really the last forty years, 398 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:10,400 the Article three judicial branch was also giving some of 399 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,119 its judicial control over the Article two branch until this summer, 400 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:16,319 Matt there were two decisions this summer I write about 401 00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:19,400 the Chevron doctrine in this pot Amaricon Leviath and in 402 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,559 which the Supreme Court said, yeah, we're not going to 403 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,440 defer to your bureaucratic regulations and statutes anymore, because that 404 00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:30,599 kind of undermines an independent judiciary, which I would point out. 405 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,920 MATT was very important to our founders. Why because the 406 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,759 British courts were really just rubber stamping King Chorice, the 407 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:40,319 Third Parliament, the King's Ministers, and the Founders did not 408 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,480 view it as an independent judiciary in the British court system. 409 00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:45,160 They viewed it as just a rubber stand But they said, 410 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,440 we're not going to do this when we found in 411 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,720 a republic there must be an independent judiciary. The Chevron 412 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:53,119 doctrine really undermined that. Thankfully the Supreme Court that we're 413 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,279 not doing this anymore. The other thing that they did 414 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,000 that I think caused even bigger fractures in the foundation 415 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:02,880 of the administrative state was their SEC ruling on the 416 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,160 Security and Exchange Commission's tribunals, and the Supreme Court said, yeah, 417 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,680 you don't get to have your administrative law tribunals. Your 418 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,599 private courts that ninety percent of the time actually rule 419 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:14,839 in favor of the SEC. But a lot of departments 420 00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:18,200 and agencies have these MATT. So the Supreme Court said, again, 421 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:22,359 undermines an independent judiciary. Oh, by the way, annihilates the 422 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,759 Seventh Amendment right to trial by jury, which goes back 423 00:25:24,759 --> 00:25:26,519 to one of the points that mean, previously, Matt, the 424 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,440 greatest protective of our natural inherent rights is not a 425 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,519 bill of rights. The Progressive to you that it's kind 426 00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:33,720 of a nice series of suggestions that they min or 427 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,720 mind not takes seriously correct. If there's a diffusion of power, 428 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,559 they cannot consolidate power to abuse those natural god given rights. 429 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,319 Speaker 1: It's you know, when you think about how this all 430 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,079 began and where it is today, and we think about 431 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,960 this almost exclusively at the federal level, and I think 432 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,160 there's reason too, because we see it play out every day. 433 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,960 But you know, let's be honest, Americans every day are 434 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,839 seeing the same thing being playing out in their states. 435 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,319 And perhaps our listeners get a little tired of me 436 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:16,079 reminiscing about my days covering the Wisconsin State Capitol, But 437 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,920 I mean, I think that's a perfect example of you know, 438 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:28,519 what went down in the monumental movement, the Republican Revolution 439 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,400 of twenty ten. In the twenty eleven and you recall 440 00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:37,319 then Governor Scott Walker taking on oh yeah, absolutely, the 441 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,720 Public Sector Unions Act ten, trying to find some reform, 442 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,960 trying to get you know, the people back at the 443 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:50,160 table as opposed to the bureaucrats and the unions negotiating 444 00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,839 over their tax dollars. He was successful in doing that. 445 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,640 Of course, it almost cost him his job because of 446 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,000 a massive recall attempt. And I think about what happened then, 447 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,319 and I know you were there. I know your folks 448 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,160 are on the ground there, but you know that, to 449 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:10,920 me was a template for what we have seen over 450 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,480 the last eight plus years in this country at the 451 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:19,400 federal level. The threat was there. It was exposed in 452 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,759 Wisconsin under a courageous governor and a courageous legislature at 453 00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:29,160 the time that said enough is enough. And then we 454 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,160 see And I remember when Trump was elected. Right before 455 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,920 inauguration day, I talked with a gentleman who was a 456 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,640 state senator at the time who became one of Wisconsin's congressmen, 457 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,480 and that of course Tom Tiffany, representing the seventh congressional 458 00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:48,480 district in Wisconsin, and he said, Matt, you know what 459 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:54,359 we saw during the days of civil unrest so to speak, 460 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,119 in Wisconsin in the recall movement, We're about to see 461 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,599 that writ large stential threat. Is it not for the 462 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:03,519 administrative state? 463 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: Oh one? And interesting again, obviously you have a lot 464 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,599 of Wisconsin background experience. The Wisconsin Plan is one of 465 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:17,680 the foundations and genesis for the larger administrative states, because 466 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,319 they believed that it should be a managerial class at 467 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,519 the state level doing the real governing of this country. 468 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:28,440 But you know, you point out something in which this 469 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:31,920 sounds what you are describing people like, feels like we're 470 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,440 an afterthought in that form of government, because you are. 471 00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:39,559 You are an absolute afterthought in a managerial class, administrative state. 472 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:43,440 Educator elites so called, I call them a credential idiocracy. 473 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,920 I want to put a very fine point on that, 474 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,400 because I do not consider them an educated elite. I 475 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920 think they are a credential ideocracy coming out of these 476 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,880 indoctrination centers because they've given, you know, they've applied, they've given, 477 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:58,160 they believe in this creed, the warped, twisted creed, and 478 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,160 they've gotten that stamp of approval from those and doctrination centers. 479 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,759 But yeah, in this form of government, whether it's the 480 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,000 state level or the federal level, you know, republic, all 481 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,079 power flows from the people, which they then give to 482 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,079 their duly elected representatives a stewards of the money and 483 00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:15,559 power given to them to create a government of buy 484 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,799 for the people that act every day is supposed to 485 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,599 advance and protect the interests of the American people. American 486 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:25,960 people should be first and last in all things. In 487 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,240 a administrative state, it's the state that decides. All power 488 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,119 flows from the state, and you might or might not 489 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,119 have rights, you might or might not be the priority, 490 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,880 and you find yourself going I feel like we're and 491 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,200 I make this point at the end of the book. 492 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:43,480 I feel like we now in this country are kind 493 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240 of the latest battlefield in this age old struggle of 494 00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:49,000 does man serve the state or does the state serve me? 495 00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:53,839 And I think that's where we find ourselves again, where 496 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,200 the state is supposed to serve us. And I think 497 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,920 we've gotten the point where if we're not very careful 498 00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:04,920 this futile administrative system, we will find ourselves as full 499 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,559 fledged serfs if we are not very careful and have 500 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,000 completely lost our heritage and legacy as free born America. 501 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,799 Speaker 4: Have you ever noticed it's only called a recession after 502 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,200 we're already in it or pasted it. The Watchdout on 503 00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:23,279 Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps 504 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:25,839 unpack the connection between politics and the economy and how 505 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,200 it affects your wallet. Economists are always in search of 506 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,039 a recession, like letter nimoy. If they find one, it's 507 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:34,920 already too late. Always be prepared by putting money away 508 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,599 and investing accordingly. Whether it's happening in DC or down 509 00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:39,279 on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 510 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:39,839 Speaker 2: Be informed. 511 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 4: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris 512 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,960 Markowski on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. 513 00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,039 Speaker 1: And you see it now. You see the administrative state 514 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,440 with the infusion of the Marxist movement in this country, 515 00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:00,680 you know, effectively one and the same, because the power 516 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920 does not reside with the people, as much as the 517 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,839 Marxists like to make that their talking point. The power 518 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:11,680 is central to the state. And you know, they're not 519 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,599 even hiding it anymore. That's the thing. They're not an 520 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,079 even hiring it. It's scary, but I think they're not 521 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,119 hiding it anymore, quite frankly ned because I think that 522 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:27,279 they are trusting in the indoctrination of the next generation. 523 00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:33,559 They have had generations of indoctrinations in the school systems, 524 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:38,559 and if you want to look at where this shifted, 525 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,200 where you have seen so many people embrace the power 526 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,119 of the state, the salvation of the state. That you said, 527 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,640 that's where you have to begin. But you know, we're 528 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,359 in a time period, as you say, where there is 529 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,559 truly an existential battle between the administrative state and the 530 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,920 concepts of the republic and a free people. And so 531 00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:10,119 you have to wonder, as we've seen the events shaping 532 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,839 our politics in our elections over this summer, we've gotten 533 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,599 into not just a weaponization of the administrative state, we 534 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,279 have gotten into a dangerous, deadly time for the representatives 535 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:32,480 of the republic. Do you fear that for Trump's life 536 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,279 and others who support him as we do to the election? 537 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: No, I do. I mean, let me say a few 538 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,599 things about the education system really quick. That was the 539 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,799 whole point with progressives. I mean Herbert Crowley, who I 540 00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:49,160 call one of the four horsemen of the progressive apocalypse. 541 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,119 I mean, he even admitted this is early nineteen hundreds 542 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,839 and I'll just read a quick quote twentieth century democracy again. 543 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,680 Their form of democracy believes that the community has certain 544 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,920 policy that have ends to achieve, and if they are 545 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,599 to be achieved, the community must control the education of 546 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,480 the young. So they're very clear about what they wanted 547 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,440 to do. And then you know John Burgess, really quick 548 00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,799 Columbia law professor late eighteen hundreds, among whose students was 549 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:20,119 Theodore Roosevelt, fully bought into Hegel's philosophy of government, and 550 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,960 he is considered the father of political science here in America. 551 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,079 So think about this. A progressive very imbued with this 552 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:33,880 thought of Hegel, vehemently opposed to a rights based government. 553 00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:37,160 So I Matt that before we address that other issue. Yes, 554 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,720 I believe that our education system should be completely re examined. 555 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,559 I believe a lot of the history of the twentieth 556 00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:44,880 century in regards to US politics and government should be 557 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,160 re examined. But to today, two attempts on Trump's life 558 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,079 in just over sixty days, we don't even know the 559 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,400 answers to the first one. When a second one takes place, 560 00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:57,599 I'm afraid, and I've said this before, I'll say it again. 561 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,880 I'm not sure that'll be the last one on him 562 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,559 before November fifth. As things continue to accelerate and panic 563 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,239 continues to grow among those who view him as an 564 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,320 existential thread that oh my gosh, Donald Trump might win, 565 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,440 he might actually have a second term, and he has 566 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,440 figured out so much matt over the last four years 567 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,960 since he left office about what the real threat is 568 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:27,840 to democracy, to real representative democracy, that they realize, Oh 569 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,760 my gosh, he gets back in power, he knows exactly 570 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,760 what he's going to be doing on day one, and 571 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,239 that will be waging war against the administrative state, which 572 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,400 you mentioned the swamp earlier. Think of the swamp as 573 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:44,639 a pool, a nasty, feadied swamp. The foundation of that 574 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,239 swamp is the administrative state. You want to drain that massive, 575 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,719 nasty swamp. You break the state, You break the state, 576 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,960 you drain the swamp, you restore the Republic. So I 577 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,119 think you're going to see the rhetoric increase. I think 578 00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:02,760 there'll be even more threats to Donald Trump that the 579 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,400 corporate propagandists are refused to call them media stenographers of 580 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,800 the state. Corporate propagandists will continue to up their rhetoric 581 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,639 to dehumanize Trump, to dehumanize his supporters, which, by the way, 582 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,760 is a tactic of all leftists throughout time that you 583 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,599 don't really engage on the political ideas. You dehumanize your 584 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:22,599 political opponents so that you can do to them whatever 585 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,719 you want to and portray him as an existential threat 586 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,840 to democracy, so that deranged people, who, by the way, 587 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,800 I do not think are acting alone, but deranged people 588 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,960 might think it's it's incumbent upon them to put an 589 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,400 end to this threat to democracy and deal with Donald 590 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,280 Trump and the supporters. That's what the corporate propagandists and 591 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,039 sonographers of the state have been doing for almost a decade. 592 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,199 And now they're sitting here going, who us, No, it's 593 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:48,840 all about Trump. Trump's someone that's been, you know, brought 594 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,159 this rhetoric to this level, when in fact, for the 595 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,559 last ten years, the whole point of them is to 596 00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:57,239 create a environment in which people think they will be 597 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,800 justified in any acts of violence because they have been 598 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:03,360 humanizing Trump and the supporters for almost a decade. 599 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: And then you have a corporate media, of course, that 600 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,440 is going along for the ride, not going not just 601 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,639 going along for the ride, shaping the reality, shaping the narrative. 602 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,519 I mean, after the second attempt, you have a New 603 00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:20,119 York Times piece, you have guys like Lester Holds leading 604 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,119 with not that the former president and the GOP nominee 605 00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:29,920 for president has faced yet another attempt on his life, 606 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,920 but this this guy, who is you know has been 607 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:42,480 threatened on multiple occasions, is responsible for the threat against 608 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,679 his life. I mean, that is a strange space in 609 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:47,599 which to exist. 610 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,519 Speaker 2: But again is they always want to project what they 611 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,440 are actually guilty of. Right, right, That's been the whole 612 00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:58,239 strategy the last ten years. Well, actually it's it's really 613 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,880 Donald Trump that wants to weaponize a state against his 614 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,519 political opponents. Are you freaking kidding me? Like the whole 615 00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:07,920 state has been weaponized against Donald Trump, and they're saying 616 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,440 if he comes back into power, and I want to 617 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,119 make that I'm going to make this point. If Donald 618 00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:14,639 Trump comes back into power, it's going to be a 619 00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,559 revenge tour. He's going to weaponize all of this against 620 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:21,119 his opponents. That's it's not going to be about revenge, Matt. 621 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,760 It has nothing to do with that at all. If 622 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,159 you are going to actually bring about a restoration of 623 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,159 responsible government and a republic, there actually have to be 624 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,400 consequences for this massive abuse of power that we have 625 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,960 seen play out over the last ten years. So to 626 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:39,280 restore the proper balance to DC and the proper role 627 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,079 of government and to actually have consequences for the abuse 628 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,320 of power, because that is the process of restoration. Yeah, 629 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,760 I think some people should go to jail. I think 630 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,159 that the people that abuse their powers to target Donald 631 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:55,480 Trump should actually have security clearance revoked and go to jail. 632 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: I agree, I believe there should be for once, because 633 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,679 there has an absolute ute. Ben and I say this 634 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,360 as someone who covered the John Doe investigations at the 635 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,920 state level in Wisconsin, there has never been any accountability 636 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:15,239 for you know, this actual real threat to representative democracy. 637 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 2: Again this point, though they didn't want political accountability, they 638 00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:21,920 didn't want accountability for them at all when they formed 639 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,480 this administrative state one hundred and some years ago. Absolutely 640 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:29,159 idea of accountability with something very foreign to the progressive 641 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,000 because they thought these enlightened people would never abused their 642 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,119 power at all, because they're just trying to bring salvation 643 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,519 to the dirty little peasants. 644 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,199 Speaker 1: Sure, sure, So I'm not worried about the revenge that 645 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,320 the left keeps talking about. 646 00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 2: Frustration. 647 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, you know what, there are people who 648 00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:51,679 clearly broke the law in the administrative state, lots of people, 649 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,719 lots of people in the deep state. What I'm worried 650 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,519 about is that Trump gets into power and we see 651 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,559 for the most part what happened is first term. Think 652 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,039 about how much he accomplished in the first term. Think 653 00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:07,320 about how much he attempted to drain the swamp. What 654 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,320 I am most worried about, and I want to get 655 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,039 your take on this is something you mentioned before. The 656 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,599 UNI Party. Yep, will the UNI Party again stifle what 657 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,719 the American people want, and that is a cleanup of 658 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,480 their government. 659 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 2: So the thing that should be encouraging to people if 660 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,840 then win nless they win Donald Trump gainst the White House, 661 00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:33,880 most of the administrative state resides inside the Article two branch, 662 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,320 the executive branch. The head of the executive branch is 663 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,880 the duly elected President the United States. If Congress proves itself, 664 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,639 and I think we've got a pretty good track record 665 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:46,519 to show that they will be feckless, gutless cowards, the 666 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960 head of the executive Branch, through a series of executive orders, 667 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,480 and I lay this out in the last chapter of 668 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:55,840 the book, can actually do tremendous damage to devolving, destroying, 669 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,800 and breaking apart the administrative state. Now, for it to 670 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,119 be more long term, on a four year term in 671 00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,320 the White House, Congress is going to actually have to 672 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,800 step up. But in a four year window. If Donald 673 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,880 Trump as the head of the executive branch has the 674 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,239 political courage, which I think he does, and the focus 675 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,360 and the plan, he could do a lot to actually 676 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,000 start to break apart the state restore the Republic. But 677 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:19,800 Matt for that to happen one of the things, and 678 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,079 he's admitted. He's admitted to me, but he's admitted to 679 00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:24,000 other people. I didn't know was as bad as I 680 00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:28,159 thought it was. It's even worse what he did not 681 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,239 get right in his first term because he thought, oh, 682 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,239 all Republicans are on the same team uniparty. No they're not. 683 00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:38,840 McConnell and Paul Ryan did not view themselves on the 684 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,400 same team, to be the clear on that front. But 685 00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:45,519 where he really missed it was the head of PPO 686 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,599 residential Personnel, Johnny DiStefano, had nothing in common with Donald 687 00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,320 Trump or America first. And so for the first three years, 688 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,239 the way that you actually implement your policy and actually 689 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,639 implement all of your plans are getting the key decision maker, 690 00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:03,239 says the Pump books about five thousand positions, give or take. 691 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,480 I'd say there's maybe four or five hundred important decision 692 00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:09,239 makers that you actually have to nail and get right 693 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,280 to go out to the various departments and agencies to 694 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,840 implement the president's plan. Didn't have a chance of getting 695 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,239 it right with Johnny DeStefano. He got it right in 696 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,119 the last year with Johnny McEntee, but at that point 697 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,079 there was not enough time to pivot into doing some 698 00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,199 of these effective things. But I'm telling you, Matt, I 699 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,639 was there in some of those meetings. The first six 700 00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:32,519 months of a second term would have been incredible, but 701 00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:34,199 he didn't have that opportunity. So that's why I think 702 00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,960 the six months of the next term, he'll get ppo right. 703 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,280 He'll have a plan. He knows now. He was such 704 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,639 a great outsider, Matt, I don't think he fully understood 705 00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,559 that his powers as the head of the executive branch. 706 00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:48,559 He does now, he does now right. 707 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,639 Speaker 1: And I think the big Ramaswami brought that whole point 708 00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:58,079 home when he was campaigning for president. I had the opportunity, 709 00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,920 I guess, part of the gig of covering the presidential 710 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,239 contenders and pretenders when they came through Iowa covered them extensively. 711 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,320 And that is what Ramaswamy hammered over and over again. 712 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,800 And I agree. I think after four years of experiencing 713 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:18,119 the inside. Trump understands now as an outsider, yet to 714 00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:21,199 this day, what needs to be accomplished. I think you, 715 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,079 folks at American Majority, as we close our conversation, I 716 00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:29,239 appreciate the generosity of your time, the perspective, but I 717 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,119 think it's not just talking about these ideas, and you've 718 00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:36,400 laid them all out, I think expertly in this book, 719 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,639 a compelling new book. I think it is walking the 720 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,039 talk as well. American Majority is doing that. If you 721 00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:49,119 wouldn't mind a little bit on how American Majority is working, 722 00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:54,320 particularly in critical swing states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and 723 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,079 Georgia and Arizona and elsewhere, to get out the vote, 724 00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:02,239 to send the message that this is indeed an existential 725 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,760 election for the Republic. 726 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 2: So I founded America Majority. Gosh, I'm in my seventeenth year, 727 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,559 which sounds crazy. I'm not that old, Matt. I'm a 728 00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:13,440 child prodigy. 729 00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,039 Speaker 1: So you started when you were six years old. 730 00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:20,159 Speaker 2: I was amazed. Yeah, that's all that. So America Majority 731 00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,239 of the C three we do training and equipping of 732 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,320 state and local people that want to go run for 733 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,639 school board, city council, state house, states and all these 734 00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,320 local offices, because that's how real change begins. And I'm 735 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,519 a firm believer that politics is policy. We have great ideas, 736 00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:34,800 but unless you actually win politically, you don't get to 737 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,599 implement your policy. So that's the C three side, the 738 00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,360 C four side that you're referring to America majority action. 739 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,360 I have to tell you, and I think we're all 740 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,360 on a learning process no matter where we are in life. 741 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,559 After the mid terms in November of twenty twenty two, 742 00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,159 after I picked myself up off the floor because I 743 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,679 feel like I missed a few important things, I went 744 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,679 to donors and said, I've had an epiphany. And I 745 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:00,880 wish I'd had this epiphany begins of twenty two, but 746 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,400 I'm having the epiphany now, so better late than ever. 747 00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:08,039 We need to export the Florida GOPS absentee ballot chase 748 00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:11,079 program into these key battle ground states. In twenty twenty four, 749 00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:15,039 and by that I mean matt in Florida, they always 750 00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:18,679 pursued and what was until very recently a Democrat majority 751 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,119 registration state they won. I want to say it's twenty 752 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:24,960 one of twenty three state wide races from twenty ten 753 00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:28,320 until recent times, Republicans did. How'd they do that well. 754 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,280 They focused on generating more absentee ballots among mental low 755 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,840 propensity voters, and then the last six weeks from ballots 756 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,239 drop in Florida, chasing those ballots and to make sure 757 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,920 they got no less than eighty percent of them. In 758 00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:40,559 a lot of times it was eighty one to eighty 759 00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,159 two percent, and they kept on winning and winning and winning. 760 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,679 So I went to donors in January of twenty three 761 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,039 and said, we need to do this in key battleground 762 00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:51,199 states for twenty twenty four. 763 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:51,800 Speaker 1: We need to. 764 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 2: Generate more ballots among mental low props. Because we know, Matt, 765 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,559 that if you take a mid to low propensity voter 766 00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:00,239 and get them to request about eighty percent end of 767 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,840 the time, they're going to vote in this, next and 768 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,960 the next election. So you turn them into kind of 769 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,280 super voters, create that bigger ballot universe, and then we 770 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,800 put pieces in place for a robust ballot chase in 771 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,320 which it's really a series of targeted harassments. We know 772 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,760 where the ballots are at, so it becomes you know, 773 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,360 door knocks, phone calls, texts, postcards, digital, you name it, 774 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,039 to remind people get your ballot in no less than 775 00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:27,199 eighty percent return. Why you're also working on early voting 776 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,280 because again the rules of the game, which we might 777 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,679 resent might not like, are that you know on Pennsylvania. 778 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,719 Pennsylvania has already started early person voting tomorrow. I'm going 779 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,480 to go vote here in Virginia because early person voting 780 00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:42,440 starts in ballots drop, play the game by the rules. 781 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,800 So we're hammering on absentee ballot return the minute they drop, 782 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,840 and then the minute early voting starts. We are trying 783 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,639 to get people to go out and vote early. So 784 00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:55,679 we're in Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, North Carolina in a very 785 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,079 robust real way. I've got allied groups that are taking 786 00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:03,119 care of Georgia and Pennsylvania. But the goal being that 787 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,559 that the minute ballots drop, the minute early in person 788 00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:09,400 voting starts, that we hammer to get people to do 789 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,440 this because of a couple things. Get the ballots in, 790 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,920 don't wait for any games to take place on election 791 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,039 day like it did Americopa County in the midterms. But 792 00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:21,239 also to change the narrative. The narrative being that I 793 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,400 hope is that Donald Trump is either in the lead 794 00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:28,639 or narrowly behind on the ABEV vote so that coming 795 00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:34,559 into election day, we're traditionally Republicans absolutely annihilate Democrats. Donald 796 00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:38,239 Trump crushes an election day and wins reelection by winning 797 00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:41,159 most of these, if not all, of these seven key states, 798 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,840 a lot of what a lot of those states where 799 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,559 we're at right now with American majority actions. So we've 800 00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:49,800 been spending a lot of time generating more ballots and 801 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,000 putting the pieces in place for a ballot chase. I 802 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,960 think we're going to have by the time we're done, 803 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,159 about fifteen hundred to close to two thousand people doing 804 00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:01,519 this by the time we're you know, in October and 805 00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:02,599 really hitting the chase hard. 806 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,320 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, boots on the ground and. 807 00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,119 Speaker 2: Doing the right things, exactly the right things. 808 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,800 Speaker 1: And as you said, playing by the rules that exist. 809 00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:14,760 I know that there are Republicans and Conservatives in this 810 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,559 country who are absolutely appalled by the notion of you know, 811 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:19,480 and I get it. 812 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,039 Speaker 2: Can I make one last point on that shirt? Absolutely 813 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,440 the thing that frustrates me so much about these people 814 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,000 I'm voting on election day? Why do you hate Why 815 00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,480 do you hate me? And I mean that in all sincerity, 816 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,360 Why do you hate Donald Trump? You're costing us ten 817 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,360 times the amount of money if you insist on voting 818 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,760 on election day, if you vote early, if you vote 819 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,679 the day of the ballast trap, you're going to cost 820 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,679 me ten or twelve bucks, right, or all the allied 821 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,559 groups in me ten twelve bucks. If you wait a 822 00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:48,960 few weeks twenty bucks. You wait until election day, it 823 00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:51,000 might cost us one hundred dollars by the time you 824 00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:56,000 put together cumulative door knocks, live calls, mailers, digital texts, 825 00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:58,679 you name it. Why would you do that? It is 826 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,360 not like we have some map a surplus of money. 827 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,199 Help us to be more efficient with the money that 828 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,559 we have and Donald Trump and then allow us to 829 00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:09,079 take those resources that we're saving by you getting your 830 00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:12,039 vote in to then target other people or other ballast 831 00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:13,000 They're sloan coming in. 832 00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:17,280 Speaker 1: Well, you know who's doing exactly what you're talking about, 833 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,639 and they have done it very well for a long time. 834 00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:24,880 The Democrats. Oh yes, that's why they're winning. As you say, 835 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,840 policy is important, but it means nothing without politics. It 836 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,039 means nothing without people who really get the policy in power. 837 00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,920 And American majority has done this for a long time. 838 00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:44,079 I know you folks, well, you have a fantastic guy. 839 00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,320 I know he's working nationally with you, but he started 840 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,960 out in the Wisconsin front end YEP. 841 00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 2: Matt Batesil Robie. 842 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 1: Matt Batesll. I've known him for many, many years. Not 843 00:48:54,199 --> 00:49:00,079 just a great individual in the conservative movement in this country, 844 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:04,840 but just a great individual. Always a pleasure, my friend. 845 00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:09,639 Let us talk very soon because the implications I think 846 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,719 of your book in what American Majority are doing certainly 847 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,880 deserve follow up as we move forward. I do very 848 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,760 much appreciate you you joining us and being with us 849 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,559 and talking about this very important book. 850 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,320 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thanks so much for the conversation, Matt. 851 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,599 I truly appreciate it, and we should do it again 852 00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:27,559 before the elections. 853 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,599 Speaker 1: Absolutely thanks to my guest today, Ned Ryan, founder and 854 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,199 CEO of American Majority and author of American Leviathan, The 855 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:40,920 Birth of the Administrative State and Progressive Authoritarianism. Compelling new book. 856 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,800 You can find it everywhere You've been listening to another 857 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,920 edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior 858 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,360 correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. 859 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,320 Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the frame. 860 00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:04,400 Speaker 2: I heard the fame voice the reason. 861 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,320 Speaker 1: And then it faded away. 862 00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 3: Mm hmm.