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<v Speaker 1>Uncensored, unfiltered, fun hinged.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the corell Cast.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen daily on your favorite streaming service.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a crol cast.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Carol, Happy New Year, Happy first show of

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<v Speaker 1>the new year. I am so excited you're here with

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<v Speaker 1>me on this best of week. We start live shows

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<v Speaker 1>again next Monday. I believe it's the fifth, or the sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Not today, obviously, today's first. It's Wednesday, Thursday, second, third, fourth, sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>January sixth, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Start the live shows back. I can't wait to get

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<v Speaker 2>back with you and be live.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the meantime, we've had some great best ofs already.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got another one tomorrow for you and today. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot of you made resolutions last night.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you New Year's I hope you did like

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<v Speaker 1>me and went to the pub and celebrated at four

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<v Speaker 1>and then got home by five.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you were up late, or if you and

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit too much, well so.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things I plan to do more of

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty five is travel. Ember better just pack

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<v Speaker 1>her little bags because I want to travel. And we've

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<v Speaker 1>been invited to Ireland in February for the outing now

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<v Speaker 1>the Outing is the only LGBTQIA music and matchmaking festival

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, and we've been invited to go over

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<v Speaker 1>and do the show and also sing do you want

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<v Speaker 1>a funk?

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<v Speaker 2>Because do you want to funk with me? Honey? In

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five, I hope you do.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this episode, this is one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>episodes because it has some of my favorite people. It

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<v Speaker 1>has Eddie mcguinnis, who has had cancer since this video

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<v Speaker 1>recovered and is now going strong again. It's got Panti Bliss,

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<v Speaker 1>who now has a movie about her which you can

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<v Speaker 1>go out and watch right now online, the movie about

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<v Speaker 1>Panty Bliss. She's like the Rue Paul of Ireland. She's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>She's better than RuPaul. And Kelly McGinnis is in this.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a former boxing manager for Lennox Lewis, very

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<v Speaker 1>butch you know boxing Bloomer Burgh and she was a

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<v Speaker 1>man when she was Lennox Lewis's boxing coach and then

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<v Speaker 1>transitioned into a woman and now she is a transperson

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<v Speaker 1>in boxing. I got to talk to all three of

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<v Speaker 1>them in one place and go out on the streets

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<v Speaker 1>of Dublin and have a great time. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to join me today as we go back to

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<v Speaker 1>the outing in Ireland and talk to some incredible people,

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<v Speaker 1>and go watch the Panty Bliss movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It is out there. Go watch it please.

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<v Speaker 1>And Kelly mcguinnis has a book if you're so inclined

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<v Speaker 1>to read from yesterday's and Rice, maybe after watching that

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<v Speaker 1>interview you said I want to read more in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, Well go read Kelly mcguinness's book about what

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<v Speaker 1>it was like transition for male to female in the

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<v Speaker 1>world of boxing. Happy New Year in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be so grateful for you. We're off to

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<v Speaker 1>a great first day of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>So just saddle up.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to Ireland and have a time and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be back on Monday Live.

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<v Speaker 2>So enjoy the show. Okay, we've made a quick pitstop.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, in our country it's really cool to

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<v Speaker 1>bash our president, right, everyone knows.

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<v Speaker 2>The oh bash Obama.

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<v Speaker 1>In Ireland they hold in reverence people who come over here.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, when you go to Galway, they will tell

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<v Speaker 1>you all about JFK. He was there for twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>but they will tell you all about JFK. Martin Sheen

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<v Speaker 1>went to university here. Ask anybody, they will tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Sheen, Well behind us, I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of nowhere, but we're certing about in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of Ireland at a gas station which has

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<v Speaker 1>been named Barack Obama Plaza. And it's been named that

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<v Speaker 1>because Barack Obama have some Irish roots in him and

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<v Speaker 1>he did come to Ireland and they were so grateful

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<v Speaker 1>and so happy they have named a plaza after him.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what can you get at the Barack Obama Plaza.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get supermacs, you can get gas, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can get all kinds of goodies. But the Irish in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of their countryside to stop the gas or

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<v Speaker 1>at the Barack Obama Plaza. Less in America, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>always have to knock people down.

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<v Speaker 2>He's our president. He was a good guy. They like him.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't we? Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So, if you're driving across Ireland, you get to Money

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<v Speaker 1>Goal and there's the Barack Obama Plaza and I'm making

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<v Speaker 1>this up, and you go inside and it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>this because his great great grandfather was from here. And

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<v Speaker 1>you go inside and there's this fabulous homage to Obama

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a museum and everything there, and it was so.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool to see. I loved it. And you know that

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<v Speaker 2>he has relatives that came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, great great great grandfather.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you think of Barack Obama, what do you.

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<v Speaker 4>Think of I wish he was our leader really, especially

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<v Speaker 4>over the recent shootings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, statement that he came out or.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just do y'all laugh at us every time

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<v Speaker 1>that we've had one a week since Sandio, Do y'all

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<v Speaker 1>just look at us and go, what the hell are

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<v Speaker 1>you guys thinking?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how do you feel about Barack Obama? Or

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a.

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<v Speaker 1>A big positive and as a president, you you think

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<v Speaker 1>he's been a good guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Actual and Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether we're trying gitar but Donald's Trump and all this noise, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's hope.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think bus should be re elected, but there

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<v Speaker 2>he was.

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<v Speaker 1>So the simple question is if I said to you

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<v Speaker 1>Barack Obama, what would pop into your mind?

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<v Speaker 4>I would say that if Barack Obama ran again, he

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<v Speaker 4>would free any other contraction.

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<v Speaker 1>So given what we've got running, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not optimistic. Well Hillary, but I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean similar to when people kind of give out about

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<v Speaker 4>how the pope.

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<v Speaker 2>Has behaved Kim Davis.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like okay, but still in the spectrum of pope.

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<v Speaker 4>Like in a room full of very ugly, annoying people

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<v Speaker 4>who've made big mistakes and really besmirched people, he looks great.

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<v Speaker 4>Obama similarly, occasionally doesn't strike he as a politician, right,

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<v Speaker 4>which I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>So what, so, what do you think of him now

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<v Speaker 2>that he's winding down.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he has had a very tough job, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>And that's really all I can say, because I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of not political.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's when you think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he went in with such high expectations and

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<v Speaker 1>then they just fought him.

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<v Speaker 2>On everything everything. He had no way to do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>What about our level of respect for him?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think we respect him as much as the

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<v Speaker 3>I do not think so, neither.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not think he's respected me neither. I just

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<v Speaker 2>like that he is more about the people and and

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<v Speaker 2>peace and everyone getting along. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he even tried to reach across down to John Bayer,

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<v Speaker 1>who did off book his hands, who is now retiring

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<v Speaker 1>because someone dug up some dirt on him somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'll tell you when Obama came here, I went

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<v Speaker 4>to see him do his speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you really?

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like seventeen, yeah, what is that?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Still in school? Skip skilled to.

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<v Speaker 2>Go Wow, cute, We'll let that out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, c for hours, went to see him, and our

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<v Speaker 4>t shook our Head of States. Still he gave a

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<v Speaker 4>speech that Obama had given before, wow, and didn't mention

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<v Speaker 4>it before he started, and then tried to play it

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<v Speaker 4>off in his homage funny. And Obama's like looking at

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<v Speaker 4>it like I've heard this before and change an occasional word,

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<v Speaker 4>and everyone's looking at because this familiar. We heard this before,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's like, no, he's just made Obama's speech.

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<v Speaker 3>To Obama, now, why was he as a young Irish lad?

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<v Speaker 2>Why would you go cue for our president?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, i'll tell you the queen because all the security treas,

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<v Speaker 4>which one I mean i'm here, I have had and

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<v Speaker 4>because all of the security I had already been taken

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<v Speaker 4>for Obama. Queen Elizabeth came the same week and for

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<v Speaker 4>the first time I think one of the brist monarchy

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she got.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say hundred fifty thousand people. Obama shut down

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I love that you love our president because somebody

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<v Speaker 1>in my country disparaged him every day, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's not right. I mean, look what he did

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<v Speaker 2>for has Care. It just barely got in. Those horrible Republicans.

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<v Speaker 2>They just wanted to get rid of everything except corporate America. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>social effort.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm a tiny bit biased because my last

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<v Speaker 3>name is Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 1>So ah, any relation I have to ask distantly, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hey, distance is better than none at all. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for your comments today. I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Wish you well as well.

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<v Speaker 1>This entire weekend is part of the mad idea of

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<v Speaker 1>this wonderful person sitting next to me, who we are

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<v Speaker 1>both understated, and who today was on the cliffs of

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<v Speaker 1>More with a twelve foot gay pride flag Eddie. What

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<v Speaker 1>a time for Ireland and gay rights and just all

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<v Speaker 1>of it. It's all just something, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>It has been an absolute amazing journey on so many

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<v Speaker 5>different levels. I don't even know what to start. I'll

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<v Speaker 5>start with today I was waving that ten foot by

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<v Speaker 5>ten foot flag twenty foot pole to tell all you

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<v Speaker 5>Americans to come over across the Atlantic to the what

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<v Speaker 5>I would call the Atlantic Way here in the west

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<v Speaker 5>of Ireland. So why not bring that rainbow to us?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, I don't want to say what courage,

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<v Speaker 1>but just so proud and ashamed. Right there where the

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<v Speaker 1>busiest tourist attraction in Ireland.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>You have to realize is the Cliffs of Mohor. And

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<v Speaker 5>it's pronouncing Mohor, Yes, is what we would call what

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<v Speaker 5>over a million visitors every year just to view those cliffs.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's amazed.

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<v Speaker 5>And the sun came out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, closed, departed, arrived at least something part yes exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I am married now. And now why was.

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<v Speaker 1>This important for you to do? You started it three

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. Uh and that was before the referendum.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And so why was that important for you to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on this journey, I like yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been a publisher, I've been a presenter of a

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<v Speaker 5>gay TV program. I've been a known at one point

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<v Speaker 1>She is everything RuPaul should be and I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>she is a dragged performer par excellence where you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just slaid a full room of people. Uh. There is

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<v Speaker 1>And the marriage referendum may not have happened the way

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<v Speaker 2>Her name is Panty and she is here with me. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome you. Well, listen, that's quite the build up you

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, I have heard so much about you.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard about your speech at the theater and Panty Gate.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a gate?

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<v Speaker 2>You got your own game. I have wanted a gate

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<v Speaker 1>and there you were center stage for the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we were really.

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<v Speaker 6>Thrilled because we were the first country in the world

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<v Speaker 6>to do it through popular vode, which is a risky

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, and we would have about to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>And you're right, it's kind of humiliating in.

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<v Speaker 6>A way to be doing it that way, but this

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<v Speaker 2>It had to be done that way. So but then

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<v Speaker 6>The zones we wanted, it was much more powerful than

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<v Speaker 6>because the whole country got together and we all talked

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's a done deal.

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<v Speaker 6>The journey that Ireland has made regards you know, LGBT

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<v Speaker 6>people in the last thirty five years has been incredible,

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<v Speaker 2>Equality and full legal equality under the law in every respect.

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<v Speaker 6>That's an incredible journey to make, and especially for a

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<v Speaker 6>Is an incredible journey that this country has made and

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<v Speaker 6>in some ways, I think that this little event encapsulates

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's no other event like this in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we're in a tiny.

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<v Speaker 6>Village west of Ireland, like minuscule village, steeped in the

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<v Speaker 2>First year is of the like what is going on?

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<v Speaker 6>But they really sort of embraced it, and it's really

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<v Speaker 6>it is, and and it's just charming and lovely and what.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you before you go, because everybody wants

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, under it all, I did drag for

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<v Speaker 1>years too, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Under way I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a divine miss mess I did bet Middler

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, yes, of course, uh you know you when

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and all this other stuff. What what keeps you? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't say, what keeps you going? It's so Oprah

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, but really you could have just either

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna be an entertainer and go be an entertainer.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't have to fight. You didn't. You didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>some ways people are always trying to sort of say, oh, Andy,

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<v Speaker 6>you've done so much for them, and I always like

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<v Speaker 6>feel a big gilt that because in many way my

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<v Speaker 6>motivations have all has been entirely selfish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just wanted to be who I am right and.

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<v Speaker 6>I wanted to do what I wanted to do, and

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<v Speaker 6>I wanted to be, you know, a comfortable gay versus myself.

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<v Speaker 6>And in order to achieve out for myself, I had

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<v Speaker 6>I felt like I had to be involved in the

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<v Speaker 6>you know, fight for rights for the wider community.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was fighting for myself as much as freebody else.

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<v Speaker 6>And when you know, I don't know how much you

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<v Speaker 6>know about that, but when those are Pandygate scandal, I

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<v Speaker 6>have it. You know, I had my back to the

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<v Speaker 6>wall and it was either.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, stand up for myself or you know, are

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<v Speaker 2>you walked? And I'm not the guy who first to

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<v Speaker 2>be walked, No, it doesn't seem so. You are a delight.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for this festival. I'll be coming back. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'll find a husband who can say yeah, who can

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<v Speaker 2>say all right. We are here in lisdon Varna for

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<v Speaker 2>the outing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a matchmaking festival and I have run into someone

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely extraordinary who I know we're going to be immediate for.

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<v Speaker 2>Her book is just taking the bookstores by storm.

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<v Speaker 1>It is called Frankly Kelly Becoming a Woman in a

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<v Speaker 1>Man's World.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name is.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Maloney and she is here with us now and

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, formerly Frank Maloney, a boxing promoter, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and now here she sits in all of her glory

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome Kelly, how are you all? Thank you very much, Cheryl.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to tell you, you know, transgendered rights and

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<v Speaker 1>issues have been moved into the foreground recently, uh and

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<v Speaker 1>in our country unfortunately through Caitlyn Jenner.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always say that she's the exception, not the norm.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you, you were probably probably in the

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<v Speaker 1>most testosterone filled industry that there was, which is boxing.

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<v Speaker 1>When did you realize, as Frank in the boxing community,

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<v Speaker 1>that this wasn't working for you, that you were somebody else.

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<v Speaker 7>I knew all my life I was different. Bye didn't

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<v Speaker 7>know why I was different. And when you're young, you

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<v Speaker 7>just want to be the same as your brothers. You

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<v Speaker 7>in the sixties I read an article on Abe Rashley.

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<v Speaker 7>do I deal with this? She had just been taken

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<v Speaker 7>to destroyed by the British Press, which they make a

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<v Speaker 7>great habit of doing to people, and she lost everything

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<v Speaker 7>and I went and the fear grew inside. Now I

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<v Speaker 7>can never how do I tell my parents that I

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<v Speaker 7>am in the wrong body. I really should have been

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<v Speaker 7>born a female. So I thought it all my life.

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<v Speaker 7>I battled it.

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<v Speaker 2>I always knew I was gay.

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<v Speaker 1>I never not knew, and I was always out And

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine having hidden it.

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<v Speaker 2>That must have been complex.

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<v Speaker 7>It was because I was trying to be the perfect

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<v Speaker 7>sons to my parents, because my father idolies, because of

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<v Speaker 7>what I achieved. I was trying to be the perfect

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<v Speaker 7>husband and the perfect far.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were married.

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<v Speaker 7>I was married, being married twice, Yes, it's a two

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<v Speaker 7>very nice women and thankfully with friends. And now they've

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<v Speaker 7>accepted it and they've helped me. They've helped me cross

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<v Speaker 7>over the bridges.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, now, when did you transition?

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<v Speaker 7>I had my final operation sixteen weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, congratulations, thank you.

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<v Speaker 7>I lost the part of my body I wanted to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, our friendly made a great film. What not

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<v Speaker 2>to ask a transgendered person?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to not. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>ask any questions that you don't want to know. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>quite had to ask anybody I have to ask you.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been doing a whole lot of interviews recently. Have

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<v Speaker 2>you made any How do I say this? Does the

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<v Speaker 2>press know how to deal with you?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know. But I'm one of these people because

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<v Speaker 7>where I come from. I mean I've dealt with the

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<v Speaker 7>lights of Don King and been insulted by mister King.

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<v Speaker 1>So when first were the lacted, you were in Don

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<v Speaker 1>Kings yes.

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<v Speaker 2>To look at a picture.

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<v Speaker 7>They had a picture of him and Bill Clinton, and

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<v Speaker 7>I said to him, Don, you must be upset your

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<v Speaker 7>state to put a Republican any way. I am now

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<v Speaker 7>a Republican. And another picture.

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<v Speaker 2>We mentioned the other night. There's just not room for

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<v Speaker 2>characters like him anymore.

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<v Speaker 7>I have a great character, and you know he as

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<v Speaker 7>I said, I've been insulted by Don, so I've learned

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<v Speaker 7>to deal with the press. I've learned to deal with

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<v Speaker 7>everything else, so I never get upset if they miss

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<v Speaker 7>gendered me, if they asked me the wrong question, I'll

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<v Speaker 7>answer it because it's all about education. I feel that

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<v Speaker 7>I'm educating him to understand what being a trans person is.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, you wanted to sit down with Caitlyn and have

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<v Speaker 1>a chat, but I'm told she said, now.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, my agents wanted me in an English TV station because,

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<v Speaker 7>without saying a big headed and arrogant I'm probably the

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<v Speaker 7>equivalent to Kaitlin in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes you are, except for.

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<v Speaker 7>I haven't got a Kadashian family, but I've got two

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<v Speaker 7>lovely daughters who have actually given advice to the Kadashian

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<v Speaker 7>girls in the magazine. And we just got a reply

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<v Speaker 7>from Kate's agents saying Katen doesn't do interviews, so we've

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<v Speaker 7>left it alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell that to be any fair, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like she does two interviews. Now everyone's saying that

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<v Speaker 1>gay rights, And here we are at the outing in

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<v Speaker 1>Ireland right after the game that's been referendum.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a very big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of gay people are telling me that trans

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<v Speaker 1>rights are the next is the next frontier?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think so too?

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<v Speaker 7>I think we've grown. We are probably where the gay

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<v Speaker 2>You still be fired? Like where do you live? What

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<v Speaker 2>country do you live in? I live in England, and

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<v Speaker 2>in England I.

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<v Speaker 7>Quite protect protecting you thoughs. Yeah, and we're not as

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<v Speaker 2>The barbaria Americans are, ye, barbaric. Yeah, Barbaric's a good word.

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<v Speaker 7>I do feel that some trans people we are our

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<v Speaker 7>we jump down people's throats as they mis gingers. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>it takes time to look for forty I lie that

435
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<v Speaker 7>my age for forty years a little bit longer, shall

436
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<v Speaker 7>we say. Everyone's known me as the match show boxing

437
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<v Speaker 7>promoter that's gone out there, So if people miss gender me,

438
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<v Speaker 7>I can understand that, right, and then as long as

439
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<v Speaker 7>they don't do it deliberately and maliciously.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like a sort of double entendre joke about Frankly Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you you sort of combine your old name

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<v Speaker 1>as an adjective with your new need.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, I chose that foot the title myself, and they

444
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<v Speaker 7>loved it, the publishers were. They were throwing all these

445
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<v Speaker 7>names in and I just said, I said, it's very simple,

446
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<v Speaker 7>Frankly Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is it like being a woman in a

448
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<v Speaker 2>man's world?

449
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<v Speaker 1>Because you were a successful man and men have privileges

450
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<v Speaker 1>that women don't. And now you're a woman, you do

451
00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.759
<v Speaker 1>get treated differently, you do, and you get looked down.

452
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<v Speaker 2>A little bit upon you.

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<v Speaker 7>They petronize you a little bit. But you know, I've

454
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<v Speaker 7>gone back into the boxing world, but in a very

455
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<v Speaker 7>small way, and I'm hoping to conquer and fears and

456
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<v Speaker 7>I'm hoping to overcome all the prejudicing this old boy

457
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<v Speaker 7>club because boxing is an old boys absolutely, and you

458
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<v Speaker 7>know there's not many gay boxes even come out. I

459
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<v Speaker 7>think in all my time, I've only known two. Wow,

460
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<v Speaker 7>We're human beings the same as anyone else. He's only

461
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<v Speaker 7>society has given us this label. I don't want to

462
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<v Speaker 7>be known as a trains woman. I want to be

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<v Speaker 7>known as a human being.

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<v Speaker 2>I was about to ask you this question. You have transitioned, Yes,

465
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<v Speaker 2>so you're not a trans woman. You're a woman.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm a woman, right, I'm a human being.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, who's gender? A female? You're a woman? Yes? Why

468
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<v Speaker 2>do you supp.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Why do you suppose we have to identify people as

470
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<v Speaker 1>trans if they've completed the transition.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't we just call them men or women?

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<v Speaker 7>I agree with you the whole heartly, and I do

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<v Speaker 7>cause a lot of problems with the trans community because

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<v Speaker 7>I say that, because they say you should be proud

475
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<v Speaker 7>to be a trans woman. No, I'm proud to be

476
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<v Speaker 7>a member of the human right.

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<v Speaker 2>You were a trans woman until sixteen weeks ago. Now

478
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<v Speaker 2>you're a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes courage to say I am walking away from

480
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<v Speaker 1>the career that I scratched and clad and built for.

481
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<v Speaker 1>It's not easy to be a successful boxing promoter and

482
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<v Speaker 1>I'm walking away from that.

483
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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of courage.

484
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<v Speaker 1>And now that you've done it, when you look back,

485
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<v Speaker 1>was it the absolute right decision?

486
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<v Speaker 7>It was at that time because I could never have transitioned.

487
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<v Speaker 7>I actually wanted to transition very privately. A lot of

488
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<v Speaker 7>people don't know, but I'm quite a private person away

489
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<v Speaker 7>from Well, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>The media is all over you right now, but I

491
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<v Speaker 1>can imagine that you still want to Well.

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<v Speaker 7>I've got a family. I like to protect them, and

493
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<v Speaker 7>I only I only came out very publicly because I

494
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<v Speaker 7>had the English press shitting outside of my front door

495
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<v Speaker 7>ready to expose me, and I had to fight legal

496
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<v Speaker 7>battles to keep to keep them from exposing me.

497
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<v Speaker 2>Someone was threatening you, They were threatened.

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<v Speaker 7>They were going to yeah, yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 2>We do that.

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<v Speaker 7>English papers do things like that.

501
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<v Speaker 2>Still, still, this was the recent reason. So you just said,

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<v Speaker 2>screw it, I'll just come out.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, we we went to war with them with a

504
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<v Speaker 7>legal team, and obviously I was protected under privacy because

505
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<v Speaker 7>we do have Privacy Act, so they couldn't run the story.

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<v Speaker 7>But then eventually my lawyers and my team that I

507
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<v Speaker 7>put together said, Kelly, you can't keep fighting this. It's

508
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<v Speaker 7>going to cost you an absolute fool chune. You're going

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<v Speaker 7>to have to come out. So we made contact with

510
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<v Speaker 7>a couple of papers, and we found a paper that

511
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<v Speaker 7>was friendly and they would give us editorial rights. They

512
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<v Speaker 7>would give us headline rights and picture rights, and they

513
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<v Speaker 7>would let me employ someone that would read all the

514
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<v Speaker 7>story to make sure that every adjective was right and

515
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<v Speaker 7>they didn't use the wrong email right and I think

516
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<v Speaker 7>that really helped the trans community in this country and

517
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<v Speaker 7>since then the press have been a lot more positive.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about the trans community in Ireland?

519
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<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably so new now there.

520
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, the gays are stepping forward, but

521
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<v Speaker 1>are trans people are still frightened here? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 7>I think there is a movement here called Tenny, and

523
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<v Speaker 7>I've met a couple of them. They're really nice, and

524
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<v Speaker 7>they just passed a bill in parliament where they in

525
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<v Speaker 7>the Irish Parliament where they now can get gender recognition

526
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<v Speaker 7>certificates and be recognized as a female and the birth certificate,

527
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<v Speaker 7>so they are moved in the same direction as well.

528
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<v Speaker 1>Caitlin was just recognized as a female, but she hasn't

529
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<v Speaker 1>completed the surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that okay with you? It's not okay with me,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, and I'm just being frank about that.

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<v Speaker 7>Well with me, I mean everyone's different. I mean I've

533
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<v Speaker 7>read asked you for where she's not going to have

534
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<v Speaker 7>the surgery. I've had the articles where she's going to

535
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<v Speaker 7>have the surgery. I think Caitlyn plays the press to

536
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<v Speaker 7>suit herself in a little way.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your hope both personally for yourself and for the

538
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<v Speaker 1>trans community?

539
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<v Speaker 2>What do as you look ahead? You know, what is

540
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<v Speaker 2>your hope?

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<v Speaker 7>I hope is that people just see us in the street,

542
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<v Speaker 7>recognizes and accepts us and let us live our life

543
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<v Speaker 7>the way we wanted. And what new.

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<v Speaker 2>Mountains do you want to conquer? Because you don't seem

545
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<v Speaker 2>like the type of just sit around doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 7>No, I just want to help others and get people

547
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<v Speaker 7>to respect us and just see us as human beings

548
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<v Speaker 7>and you know, let us get on with our lives,

549
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<v Speaker 7>because do you know what, We're not freaks, we're not perverts,

550
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<v Speaker 7>we're not sexual devians. We're human beings that were born

551
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<v Speaker 7>with a condition and we've used medical science to correct it. Now,

552
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<v Speaker 7>if you were born with a heart murmur and one

553
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<v Speaker 7>arm missing.

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<v Speaker 2>Horse, no one would think anything about it, and.

555
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<v Speaker 7>The doctors fixed that, or the doctor's quured your cancer,

556
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<v Speaker 7>they would say, what a wonderful job them doctors has done.

557
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<v Speaker 7>All them doctors have done has corrected something that's wrong

558
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<v Speaker 7>at my birth. So we should say, what wonderful job

559
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<v Speaker 7>than doctors has done? And let me go out and

560
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<v Speaker 7>enjoy my life and let all trans people enjoyed in life.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just not much I could add to that sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>It is what I hope for for Kelly and for

563
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<v Speaker 1>Christine and for all trans people. I've grown up gay

564
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<v Speaker 1>and know so many transsexual transgendered. There's a difference, uh,

565
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<v Speaker 1>so many transgender people, and I've watched them face insurmountable odds.

566
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<v Speaker 2>I've seen them be beaten.

567
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<v Speaker 1>I've seen them just suffer indignations that even gay people

568
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<v Speaker 1>haven't had to suffer. And even now that there is

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<v Speaker 1>so much because it's a ying and a yang. Yes,

570
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<v Speaker 1>there's a positive movement now about it, but then there's

571
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<v Speaker 1>also the backlash.

572
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<v Speaker 2>So there's there's always a yin and a yang.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a wonderful human being sitting next to me.

574
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<v Speaker 1>That's what's sitting next to me, A wonderful human being

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<v Speaker 1>who has more fun shopping now, don't you? Oh my god,

576
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<v Speaker 1>I mean love love, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what's your favorite thing to buy? I don't know.

578
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<v Speaker 2>I like flowy things, you know, like it's gotta be.

579
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<v Speaker 7>I like heels because it might be to absolutely and

580
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<v Speaker 7>they make you look good good, And I love, I

581
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<v Speaker 7>love I did a drag right here, so so.

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<v Speaker 2>You got I found the stores that fell for big girls.

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<v Speaker 7>Now I just love shopping. The colors, the selections are

584
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<v Speaker 7>so much different.

585
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<v Speaker 1>And how I cannot imagine as we go, how liberating

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<v Speaker 1>it must be for Kelly to wake up in the

587
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<v Speaker 1>morning to put on her clothes and go to a

588
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<v Speaker 1>female dress shop and buy some fabulous clothes and just be.

589
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<v Speaker 2>Out and open. I mean that just has to feel one.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that.

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<v Speaker 7>That is the best thing about this, Because before I

592
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<v Speaker 7>used to wake up and I'd look at and I'd

593
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<v Speaker 7>put a track suit on as and I'd go out

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<v Speaker 7>as frank, hating it. And then at night I would

595
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<v Speaker 7>wait till it was dark and my neighbors couldn't see

596
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<v Speaker 7>me in our dresses, and I'd go out to my

597
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<v Speaker 7>support group or at social because because I was quite small, like,

598
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<v Speaker 7>I got away as long as people didn't know who

599
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:55.400
<v Speaker 7>I was, I got away with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was very like, right, no, I wouldn't know

601
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<v Speaker 1>you were trying. Well, you're well, you're not a transfer

602
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>woman anymore. But I would not have known when I

603
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<v Speaker 1>first met you.

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<v Speaker 7>There you were, and you know, and it was so

605
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<v Speaker 7>funny because I used to go walk in my dogs.

606
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<v Speaker 7>I've got two air dells and I used to walk

607
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<v Speaker 7>them a lot, and that was my sort of relief.

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<v Speaker 7>And then when it came to public, I sort of

609
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<v Speaker 7>been got up and it was great to be able

610
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<v Speaker 7>to get up in the morning, just put on a onesie,

611
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<v Speaker 7>just brush my hair, put a little bit of Lippyon,

612
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<v Speaker 7>and go out and walk my dogs. And I was

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<v Speaker 7>at one day and I saw this woman coming towards

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<v Speaker 7>me or I always met his frank, and she stopped

615
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<v Speaker 7>and easily recognizes the dogs and she went to me, Oh,

616
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<v Speaker 7>I'm so used to your husband walking your dogs. And

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<v Speaker 7>I thought that was the greatest content ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I love you. You are marvelous. Thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 2>me today.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know you get thanked a lot for all

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<v Speaker 1>that you're doing for the young people. But I'll never

622
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<v Speaker 1>forget when I was on KGO radio and a young

623
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<v Speaker 1>person came up to me and said, I came out

624
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<v Speaker 1>to my parents and I did it because of you.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're the only gay person I ever heard on

626
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<v Speaker 1>the radio. And it's because of you that I'm honest

627
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<v Speaker 1>with my family. And if even if you only hear

628
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<v Speaker 1>that once, it really does matter so loo to my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Leslie from me, Leslie, you gotta come over next year

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<v Speaker 1>because it's the bomb over the back next year. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much, thank you all right, I am carel.

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<v Speaker 2>We are gonna find Willie daily. Uh he is the

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<v Speaker 2>matchmak have you have you matched you yet? I know

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<v Speaker 2>you got some bloke calling you're like twelve times an

635
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<v Speaker 2>a six. Well why not? I am Correl. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to be for long. It doesn't hurt anybody. And we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you tomorrow. We're gonna cook. Oh are we gonna

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<v Speaker 2>cook tomorrow? Honey? Oh yes we are. Girl.

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<v Speaker 6>It's broadcasting from a completely different point of view.

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<v Speaker 3>Yours.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen daily to the Coral cast on your favorite streaming service.

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<v Speaker 1>It's broadcasting from a completely different point of view.

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<v Speaker 2>Yours. Listen daily to

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<v Speaker 6>The Corell cast on your favorite streaming service.
