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Speaker 1: I am Carol, Happy New Year, Happy first show of
Speaker 1: the new year. I am so excited you're here with
Speaker 1: me on this best of week. We start live shows
Speaker 1: again next Monday. I believe it's the fifth, or the sixth,
Speaker 1: or something like that. Not today, obviously, today's first. It's Wednesday, Thursday, second, third, fourth, sixth,
Speaker 1: January sixth, we.
Speaker 2: Start the live shows back. I can't wait to get
Speaker 2: back with you and be live.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, we've had some great best ofs already.
Speaker 1: We've got another one tomorrow for you and today. Oh,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of you made resolutions last night.
Speaker 1: I love you New Year's I hope you did like
Speaker 1: me and went to the pub and celebrated at four
Speaker 1: and then got home by five.
Speaker 2: But if you were up late, or if you and
Speaker 2: a little bit too much, well so.
Speaker 1: One of the things I plan to do more of
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five is travel. Ember better just pack
Speaker 1: her little bags because I want to travel. And we've
Speaker 1: been invited to Ireland in February for the outing now
Speaker 1: the Outing is the only LGBTQIA music and matchmaking festival
Speaker 1: in the world, and we've been invited to go over
Speaker 1: and do the show and also sing do you want
Speaker 1: a funk?
Speaker 2: Because do you want to funk with me? Honey? In
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, I hope you do.
Speaker 1: And in this episode, this is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: episodes because it has some of my favorite people. It
Speaker 1: has Eddie mcguinnis, who has had cancer since this video
Speaker 1: recovered and is now going strong again. It's got Panti Bliss,
Speaker 1: who now has a movie about her which you can
Speaker 1: go out and watch right now online, the movie about
Speaker 1: Panty Bliss. She's like the Rue Paul of Ireland. She's incredible.
Speaker 1: She's better than RuPaul. And Kelly McGinnis is in this.
Speaker 1: She is a former boxing manager for Lennox Lewis, very
Speaker 1: butch you know boxing Bloomer Burgh and she was a
Speaker 1: man when she was Lennox Lewis's boxing coach and then
Speaker 1: transitioned into a woman and now she is a transperson
Speaker 1: in boxing. I got to talk to all three of
Speaker 1: them in one place and go out on the streets
Speaker 1: of Dublin and have a great time. So I want
Speaker 1: you to join me today as we go back to
Speaker 1: the outing in Ireland and talk to some incredible people,
Speaker 1: and go watch the Panty Bliss movie.
Speaker 2: It is out there. Go watch it please.
Speaker 1: And Kelly mcguinnis has a book if you're so inclined
Speaker 1: to read from yesterday's and Rice, maybe after watching that
Speaker 1: interview you said I want to read more in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, Well go read Kelly mcguinness's book about what
Speaker 1: it was like transition for male to female in the
Speaker 1: world of boxing. Happy New Year in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be so grateful for you. We're off to
Speaker 1: a great first day of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: So just saddle up.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Ireland and have a time and then
Speaker 1: I'll be back on Monday Live.
Speaker 2: So enjoy the show. Okay, we've made a quick pitstop.
Speaker 1: And you know, in our country it's really cool to
Speaker 1: bash our president, right, everyone knows.
Speaker 2: The oh bash Obama.
Speaker 1: In Ireland they hold in reverence people who come over here.
Speaker 1: For instance, when you go to Galway, they will tell
Speaker 1: you all about JFK. He was there for twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: but they will tell you all about JFK. Martin Sheen
Speaker 1: went to university here. Ask anybody, they will tell you,
Speaker 1: Martin Sheen, Well behind us, I don't want to say
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, but we're certing about in
Speaker 1: the middle of Ireland at a gas station which has
Speaker 1: been named Barack Obama Plaza. And it's been named that
Speaker 1: because Barack Obama have some Irish roots in him and
Speaker 1: he did come to Ireland and they were so grateful
Speaker 1: and so happy they have named a plaza after him.
Speaker 2: Now, what can you get at the Barack Obama Plaza.
Speaker 1: You can get supermacs, you can get gas, and you
Speaker 1: can get all kinds of goodies. But the Irish in
Speaker 1: the middle of their countryside to stop the gas or
Speaker 1: at the Barack Obama Plaza. Less in America, you don't
Speaker 1: always have to knock people down.
Speaker 2: He's our president. He was a good guy. They like him.
Speaker 2: Why don't we? Okay.
Speaker 1: So, if you're driving across Ireland, you get to Money
Speaker 1: Goal and there's the Barack Obama Plaza and I'm making
Speaker 1: this up, and you go inside and it's just like
Speaker 1: this because his great great grandfather was from here. And
Speaker 1: you go inside and there's this fabulous homage to Obama
Speaker 1: and there's a museum and everything there, and it was so.
Speaker 2: Cool to see. I loved it. And you know that
Speaker 2: he has relatives that came from.
Speaker 1: Here, great great great grandfather.
Speaker 2: I think when you think of Barack Obama, what do you.
Speaker 4: Think of I wish he was our leader really, especially
Speaker 4: over the recent shootings.
Speaker 2: Yes, statement that he came out or.
Speaker 1: I was just do y'all laugh at us every time
Speaker 1: that we've had one a week since Sandio, Do y'all
Speaker 1: just look at us and go, what the hell are
Speaker 1: you guys thinking?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you feel about Barack Obama? Or
Speaker 2: I think it's a.
Speaker 1: A big positive and as a president, you you think
Speaker 1: he's been a good guy.
Speaker 3: Actual and Democrats.
Speaker 1: Whether we're trying gitar but Donald's Trump and all this noise, Well,
Speaker 1: let's hope.
Speaker 2: I don't think bus should be re elected, but there
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: So the simple question is if I said to you
Speaker 1: Barack Obama, what would pop into your mind?
Speaker 4: I would say that if Barack Obama ran again, he
Speaker 4: would free any other contraction.
Speaker 1: So given what we've got running, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm not optimistic. Well Hillary, but I.
Speaker 4: Mean similar to when people kind of give out about
Speaker 4: how the pope.
Speaker 2: Has behaved Kim Davis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like okay, but still in the spectrum of pope.
Speaker 4: Like in a room full of very ugly, annoying people
Speaker 4: who've made big mistakes and really besmirched people, he looks great.
Speaker 4: Obama similarly, occasionally doesn't strike he as a politician, right,
Speaker 4: which I appreciate.
Speaker 2: So what, so, what do you think of him now
Speaker 2: that he's winding down.
Speaker 3: I think he has had a very tough job, Yes,
Speaker 3: And that's really all I can say, because I'm just
Speaker 3: kind of not political.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's when you think about it.
Speaker 1: You know, he went in with such high expectations and
Speaker 1: then they just fought him.
Speaker 2: On everything everything. He had no way to do anything.
Speaker 2: What about our level of respect for him?
Speaker 1: Do you think we respect him as much as the
Speaker 1: rest of the world.
Speaker 3: I do not think so, neither.
Speaker 2: I do not think he's respected me neither. I just
Speaker 2: like that he is more about the people and and
Speaker 2: peace and everyone getting along. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he even tried to reach across down to John Bayer,
Speaker 1: who did off book his hands, who is now retiring
Speaker 1: because someone dug up some dirt on him somewhere.
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you when Obama came here, I went
Speaker 4: to see him do his speech.
Speaker 2: Did you really?
Speaker 4: And I was like seventeen, yeah, what is that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Still in school? Skip skilled to.
Speaker 2: Go Wow, cute, We'll let that out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, c for hours, went to see him, and our
Speaker 4: t shook our Head of States. Still he gave a
Speaker 4: speech that Obama had given before, wow, and didn't mention
Speaker 4: it before he started, and then tried to play it
Speaker 4: off in his homage funny. And Obama's like looking at
Speaker 4: it like I've heard this before and change an occasional word,
Speaker 4: and everyone's looking at because this familiar. We heard this before,
Speaker 4: and it's like, no, he's just made Obama's speech.
Speaker 3: To Obama, now, why was he as a young Irish lad?
Speaker 2: Why would you go cue for our president?
Speaker 4: Well, i'll tell you the queen because all the security treas,
Speaker 4: which one I mean i'm here, I have had and
Speaker 4: because all of the security I had already been taken
Speaker 4: for Obama. Queen Elizabeth came the same week and for
Speaker 4: the first time I think one of the brist monarchy
Speaker 4: it come to see us since twenty one, which was
Speaker 4: kind of a big deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she got.
Speaker 4: I would say hundred fifty thousand people. Obama shut down
Speaker 4: the city.
Speaker 1: Well, I love that you love our president because somebody
Speaker 1: in my country disparaged him every day, and.
Speaker 2: Well it's not right. I mean, look what he did
Speaker 2: for has Care. It just barely got in. Those horrible Republicans.
Speaker 2: They just wanted to get rid of everything except corporate America. Yeah,
Speaker 2: social effort.
Speaker 3: I think I'm a tiny bit biased because my last
Speaker 3: name is Kennedy.
Speaker 1: So ah, any relation I have to ask distantly, but
Speaker 1: you know, hey, distance is better than none at all. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your comments today. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Wish you well as well.
Speaker 1: This entire weekend is part of the mad idea of
Speaker 1: this wonderful person sitting next to me, who we are
Speaker 1: both understated, and who today was on the cliffs of
Speaker 1: More with a twelve foot gay pride flag Eddie. What
Speaker 1: a time for Ireland and gay rights and just all
Speaker 1: of it. It's all just something, isn't it.
Speaker 5: It has been an absolute amazing journey on so many
Speaker 5: different levels. I don't even know what to start. I'll
Speaker 5: start with today I was waving that ten foot by
Speaker 5: ten foot flag twenty foot pole to tell all you
Speaker 5: Americans to come over across the Atlantic to the what
Speaker 5: I would call the Atlantic Way here in the west
Speaker 5: of Ireland. So why not bring that rainbow to us?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I don't want to say what courage,
Speaker 1: but just so proud and ashamed. Right there where the
Speaker 1: busiest tourist attraction in Ireland.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's amazing.
Speaker 5: You have to realize is the Cliffs of Mohor. And
Speaker 5: it's pronouncing Mohor, Yes, is what we would call what
Speaker 5: over a million visitors every year just to view those cliffs.
Speaker 2: And it's amazed.
Speaker 5: And the sun came out.
Speaker 2: Yes, closed, departed, arrived at least something part yes exactly.
Speaker 2: I am married now. And now why was.
Speaker 1: This important for you to do? You started it three
Speaker 1: years ago. Uh and that was before the referendum.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And so why was that important for you to do.
Speaker 2: I've been on this journey, I like yourself.
Speaker 5: I've been a publisher, I've been a presenter of a
Speaker 5: gay TV program. I've been a known at one point
Speaker 5: as a jay dancer.
Speaker 2: I'm not a game down soon, I'm a.
Speaker 5: Downson that is, I'm no longer gay.
Speaker 2: I am I am the equal.
Speaker 1: She is everything RuPaul should be and I mean that
Speaker 1: she is a dragged performer par excellence where you.
Speaker 2: Just slaid a full room of people. Uh. There is
Speaker 2: a movie coming out about her life.
Speaker 1: And the marriage referendum may not have happened the way
Speaker 1: that it did if it weren't for this person next
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: She's also the co sponsor of this event. She is fabulous.
Speaker 2: Her name is Panty and she is here with me. Now,
Speaker 2: welcome you. Well, listen, that's quite the build up you
Speaker 2: just give me there.
Speaker 1: You know what, I have heard so much about you.
Speaker 1: I heard about your speech at the theater and Panty Gate.
Speaker 2: You've got a gate?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 2: You got your own game. I have wanted a gate
Speaker 2: forever and ever and ever.
Speaker 1: And if they're not all they're cracked up to be,
Speaker 1: gates aren't good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, William was fine at the end.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now let's talk first about the referendum. You were
Speaker 1: really really, really really involved in that and then it happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there you were center stage for the world.
Speaker 2: Well, we were really.
Speaker 6: Thrilled because we were the first country in the world
Speaker 6: to do it through popular vode, which is a risky
Speaker 6: way to try and do it because if we.
Speaker 2: Done lost and kind of insulting.
Speaker 6: But yeah, and we would have about to sort of
Speaker 6: wait maybe two generations to have a go again.
Speaker 2: And you're right, it's kind of humiliating in.
Speaker 6: A way to be doing it that way, but this
Speaker 6: is the vags of our constitution.
Speaker 2: It had to be done that way. So but then
Speaker 2: when we got.
Speaker 6: The zones we wanted, it was much more powerful than
Speaker 6: any of it had just been done to slay. But
Speaker 6: because the whole country got together and we all talked
Speaker 6: about it, we discussed it for months on end. It
Speaker 6: was so sometimes it very difficult to discussion, but then
Speaker 6: we all voted on it and it's been decided and
Speaker 6: nobody can carve about it afterwards.
Speaker 2: Now it's a done deal.
Speaker 6: The journey that Ireland has made regards you know, LGBT
Speaker 6: people in the last thirty five years has been incredible,
Speaker 6: from you know, yeah, from criminalizing sex between men to
Speaker 6: having full marriage.
Speaker 2: Equality and full legal equality under the law in every respect.
Speaker 6: That's an incredible journey to make, and especially for a
Speaker 6: small country like ours, which is seen often in the
Speaker 6: outside especially has been very.
Speaker 2: Sort of conservative and Catholic.
Speaker 6: Is an incredible journey that this country has made and
Speaker 6: in some ways, I think that this little event encapsulates
Speaker 6: that journey.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no other event like this in the world.
Speaker 2: Now we're in a tiny.
Speaker 6: Village west of Ireland, like minuscule village, steeped in the
Speaker 6: traditions of Ireland and everything that that represents. And for
Speaker 6: one weekend, all of these days and lesbians and bisexuals
Speaker 6: and transgenders. You sort of pile into the village and
Speaker 6: I think the.
Speaker 2: First year is of the like what is going on?
Speaker 6: But they really sort of embraced it, and it's really
Speaker 6: fun and and it's in some ways I think it's
Speaker 6: the it's the antithesis of a circuit part right opposite
Speaker 6: it is, and and it's just charming and lovely and what.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you before you go, because everybody wants
Speaker 1: to you know, under it all, I did drag for
Speaker 1: years too, and.
Speaker 2: Under way I did.
Speaker 1: I was a divine miss mess I did bet Middler
Speaker 1: and yes, yes, of course, uh you know you when
Speaker 1: Pantigate happened and all these things. There's personal attacks going on,
Speaker 1: you know, and all this other stuff. What what keeps you? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't say, what keeps you going? It's so Oprah
Speaker 1: but you know, but really you could have just either
Speaker 1: given up or gone someplace else, or just say I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna be an entertainer and go be an entertainer.
Speaker 2: You didn't have to fight. You didn't. You didn't.
Speaker 6: Well, in a way, I did have to, because in
Speaker 6: some ways people are always trying to sort of say, oh, Andy,
Speaker 6: you've done so much for them, and I always like
Speaker 6: feel a big gilt that because in many way my
Speaker 6: motivations have all has been entirely selfish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wanted to be who I am right and.
Speaker 6: I wanted to do what I wanted to do, and
Speaker 6: I wanted to be, you know, a comfortable gay versus myself.
Speaker 6: And in order to achieve out for myself, I had
Speaker 6: I felt like I had to be involved in the
Speaker 6: you know, fight for rights for the wider community.
Speaker 2: But I was fighting for myself as much as freebody else.
Speaker 6: And when you know, I don't know how much you
Speaker 6: know about that, but when those are Pandygate scandal, I
Speaker 6: have it. You know, I had my back to the
Speaker 6: wall and it was either.
Speaker 2: You know, stand up for myself or you know, are
Speaker 2: you walked? And I'm not the guy who first to
Speaker 2: be walked, No, it doesn't seem so. You are a delight.
Speaker 2: Thank you for this festival. I'll be coming back. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'll find a husband who can say yeah, who can
Speaker 2: say all right. We are here in lisdon Varna for
Speaker 2: the outing.
Speaker 1: It's a matchmaking festival and I have run into someone
Speaker 1: absolutely extraordinary who I know we're going to be immediate for.
Speaker 2: Her book is just taking the bookstores by storm.
Speaker 1: It is called Frankly Kelly Becoming a Woman in a
Speaker 1: Man's World.
Speaker 2: Her name is.
Speaker 1: Kelly Maloney and she is here with us now and
Speaker 1: by the way, formerly Frank Maloney, a boxing promoter, okay,
Speaker 1: and now here she sits in all of her glory
Speaker 1: in the West of Ireland.
Speaker 2: Welcome Kelly, how are you all? Thank you very much, Cheryl.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, you know, transgendered rights and
Speaker 1: issues have been moved into the foreground recently, uh and
Speaker 1: in our country unfortunately through Caitlyn Jenner.
Speaker 2: And I always say that she's the exception, not the norm.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, you were probably probably in the
Speaker 1: most testosterone filled industry that there was, which is boxing.
Speaker 1: When did you realize, as Frank in the boxing community,
Speaker 1: that this wasn't working for you, that you were somebody else.
Speaker 7: I knew all my life I was different. Bye didn't
Speaker 7: know why I was different. And when you're young, you
Speaker 7: just want to be the same as your brothers. You
Speaker 7: want to be accepted in society. And it was only
Speaker 7: in the sixties I read an article on Abe Rashley.
Speaker 7: I think I was about fourteen and I read this
Speaker 7: article and I just went, no, this is me. How
Speaker 7: do I deal with this? She had just been taken
Speaker 7: to destroyed by the British Press, which they make a
Speaker 7: great habit of doing to people, and she lost everything
Speaker 7: and I went and the fear grew inside. Now I
Speaker 7: can never how do I tell my parents that I
Speaker 7: am in the wrong body. I really should have been
Speaker 7: born a female. So I thought it all my life.
Speaker 7: I battled it.
Speaker 2: I always knew I was gay.
Speaker 1: I never not knew, and I was always out And
Speaker 1: I can't imagine having hidden it.
Speaker 2: That must have been complex.
Speaker 7: It was because I was trying to be the perfect
Speaker 7: sons to my parents, because my father idolies, because of
Speaker 7: what I achieved. I was trying to be the perfect
Speaker 7: husband and the perfect far.
Speaker 2: So you were married.
Speaker 7: I was married, being married twice, Yes, it's a two
Speaker 7: very nice women and thankfully with friends. And now they've
Speaker 7: accepted it and they've helped me. They've helped me cross
Speaker 7: over the bridges.
Speaker 2: And you know, now, when did you transition?
Speaker 7: I had my final operation sixteen weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Oh, congratulations, thank you.
Speaker 7: I lost the part of my body I wanted to lose.
Speaker 2: You know, our friendly made a great film. What not
Speaker 2: to ask a transgendered person?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: And I don't want to not. I don't want to
Speaker 2: ask any questions that you don't want to know. I'm
Speaker 2: quite had to ask anybody I have to ask you.
Speaker 2: You've been doing a whole lot of interviews recently. Have
Speaker 2: you made any How do I say this? Does the
Speaker 2: press know how to deal with you?
Speaker 7: I don't know. But I'm one of these people because
Speaker 7: where I come from. I mean I've dealt with the
Speaker 7: lights of Don King and been insulted by mister King.
Speaker 1: So when first were the lacted, you were in Don
Speaker 1: Kings yes.
Speaker 2: To look at a picture.
Speaker 7: They had a picture of him and Bill Clinton, and
Speaker 7: I said to him, Don, you must be upset your
Speaker 7: state to put a Republican any way. I am now
Speaker 7: a Republican. And another picture.
Speaker 2: We mentioned the other night. There's just not room for
Speaker 2: characters like him anymore.
Speaker 7: I have a great character, and you know he as
Speaker 7: I said, I've been insulted by Don, so I've learned
Speaker 7: to deal with the press. I've learned to deal with
Speaker 7: everything else, so I never get upset if they miss
Speaker 7: gendered me, if they asked me the wrong question, I'll
Speaker 7: answer it because it's all about education. I feel that
Speaker 7: I'm educating him to understand what being a trans person is.
Speaker 1: Now, you wanted to sit down with Caitlyn and have
Speaker 1: a chat, but I'm told she said, now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, my agents wanted me in an English TV station because,
Speaker 7: without saying a big headed and arrogant I'm probably the
Speaker 7: equivalent to Kaitlin in this country.
Speaker 2: Yes you are, except for.
Speaker 7: I haven't got a Kadashian family, but I've got two
Speaker 7: lovely daughters who have actually given advice to the Kadashian
Speaker 7: girls in the magazine. And we just got a reply
Speaker 7: from Kate's agents saying Katen doesn't do interviews, so we've
Speaker 7: left it alone.
Speaker 1: Tell that to be any fair, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It's like she does two interviews. Now everyone's saying that
Speaker 1: gay rights, And here we are at the outing in
Speaker 1: Ireland right after the game that's been referendum.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a very big deal.
Speaker 1: A lot of gay people are telling me that trans
Speaker 1: rights are the next is the next frontier?
Speaker 2: Do you think so too?
Speaker 7: I think we've grown. We are probably where the gay
Speaker 7: community was fifteen years ago. I mean the thing is
Speaker 7: I always preach that can.
Speaker 2: You still be fired? Like where do you live? What
Speaker 2: country do you live in? I live in England, and
Speaker 2: in England I.
Speaker 7: Quite protect protecting you thoughs. Yeah, and we're not as
Speaker 7: not as shall we say, in.
Speaker 2: The barbaria Americans are, ye, barbaric. Yeah, Barbaric's a good word.
Speaker 7: I do feel that some trans people we are our
Speaker 7: own worst enemy as well, you know, because we don't
Speaker 7: we jump down people's throats as they mis gingers. You know,
Speaker 7: it takes time to look for forty I lie that
Speaker 7: my age for forty years a little bit longer, shall
Speaker 7: we say. Everyone's known me as the match show boxing
Speaker 7: promoter that's gone out there, So if people miss gender me,
Speaker 7: I can understand that, right, and then as long as
Speaker 7: they don't do it deliberately and maliciously.
Speaker 1: You're like a sort of double entendre joke about Frankly Kelly.
Speaker 1: You know you you sort of combine your old name
Speaker 1: as an adjective with your new need.
Speaker 7: Yes, I chose that foot the title myself, and they
Speaker 7: loved it, the publishers were. They were throwing all these
Speaker 7: names in and I just said, I said, it's very simple,
Speaker 7: Frankly Kelly.
Speaker 2: So what is it like being a woman in a
Speaker 2: man's world?
Speaker 1: Because you were a successful man and men have privileges
Speaker 1: that women don't. And now you're a woman, you do
Speaker 1: get treated differently, you do, and you get looked down.
Speaker 2: A little bit upon you.
Speaker 7: They petronize you a little bit. But you know, I've
Speaker 7: gone back into the boxing world, but in a very
Speaker 7: small way, and I'm hoping to conquer and fears and
Speaker 7: I'm hoping to overcome all the prejudicing this old boy
Speaker 7: club because boxing is an old boys absolutely, and you
Speaker 7: know there's not many gay boxes even come out. I
Speaker 7: think in all my time, I've only known two. Wow,
Speaker 7: We're human beings the same as anyone else. He's only
Speaker 7: society has given us this label. I don't want to
Speaker 7: be known as a trains woman. I want to be
Speaker 7: known as a human being.
Speaker 2: I was about to ask you this question. You have transitioned, Yes,
Speaker 2: so you're not a trans woman. You're a woman.
Speaker 7: I'm a woman, right, I'm a human being.
Speaker 2: Yes, who's gender? A female? You're a woman? Yes? Why
Speaker 2: do you supp.
Speaker 1: Why do you suppose we have to identify people as
Speaker 1: trans if they've completed the transition.
Speaker 2: Don't we just call them men or women?
Speaker 7: I agree with you the whole heartly, and I do
Speaker 7: cause a lot of problems with the trans community because
Speaker 7: I say that, because they say you should be proud
Speaker 7: to be a trans woman. No, I'm proud to be
Speaker 7: a member of the human right.
Speaker 2: You were a trans woman until sixteen weeks ago. Now
Speaker 2: you're a woman.
Speaker 1: It takes courage to say I am walking away from
Speaker 1: the career that I scratched and clad and built for.
Speaker 1: It's not easy to be a successful boxing promoter and
Speaker 1: I'm walking away from that.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of courage.
Speaker 1: And now that you've done it, when you look back,
Speaker 1: was it the absolute right decision?
Speaker 7: It was at that time because I could never have transitioned.
Speaker 7: I actually wanted to transition very privately. A lot of
Speaker 7: people don't know, but I'm quite a private person away
Speaker 7: from Well, I mean.
Speaker 1: The media is all over you right now, but I
Speaker 1: can imagine that you still want to Well.
Speaker 7: I've got a family. I like to protect them, and
Speaker 7: I only I only came out very publicly because I
Speaker 7: had the English press shitting outside of my front door
Speaker 7: ready to expose me, and I had to fight legal
Speaker 7: battles to keep to keep them from exposing me.
Speaker 2: Someone was threatening you, They were threatened.
Speaker 7: They were going to yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 2: We do that.
Speaker 7: English papers do things like that.
Speaker 2: Still, still, this was the recent reason. So you just said,
Speaker 2: screw it, I'll just come out.
Speaker 7: Well, we we went to war with them with a
Speaker 7: legal team, and obviously I was protected under privacy because
Speaker 7: we do have Privacy Act, so they couldn't run the story.
Speaker 7: But then eventually my lawyers and my team that I
Speaker 7: put together said, Kelly, you can't keep fighting this. It's
Speaker 7: going to cost you an absolute fool chune. You're going
Speaker 7: to have to come out. So we made contact with
Speaker 7: a couple of papers, and we found a paper that
Speaker 7: was friendly and they would give us editorial rights. They
Speaker 7: would give us headline rights and picture rights, and they
Speaker 7: would let me employ someone that would read all the
Speaker 7: story to make sure that every adjective was right and
Speaker 7: they didn't use the wrong email right and I think
Speaker 7: that really helped the trans community in this country and
Speaker 7: since then the press have been a lot more positive.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the trans community in Ireland?
Speaker 2: I think it's probably so new now there.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the gays are stepping forward, but
Speaker 1: are trans people are still frightened here? Do you think?
Speaker 7: I think there is a movement here called Tenny, and
Speaker 7: I've met a couple of them. They're really nice, and
Speaker 7: they just passed a bill in parliament where they in
Speaker 7: the Irish Parliament where they now can get gender recognition
Speaker 7: certificates and be recognized as a female and the birth certificate,
Speaker 7: so they are moved in the same direction as well.
Speaker 1: Caitlin was just recognized as a female, but she hasn't
Speaker 1: completed the surgery.
Speaker 2: Is that okay with you? It's not okay with me,
Speaker 2: by the way, and I'm just being frank about that.
Speaker 7: Well with me, I mean everyone's different. I mean I've
Speaker 7: read asked you for where she's not going to have
Speaker 7: the surgery. I've had the articles where she's going to
Speaker 7: have the surgery. I think Caitlyn plays the press to
Speaker 7: suit herself in a little way.
Speaker 1: What's your hope both personally for yourself and for the
Speaker 1: trans community?
Speaker 2: What do as you look ahead? You know, what is
Speaker 2: your hope?
Speaker 7: I hope is that people just see us in the street,
Speaker 7: recognizes and accepts us and let us live our life
Speaker 7: the way we wanted. And what new.
Speaker 2: Mountains do you want to conquer? Because you don't seem
Speaker 2: like the type of just sit around doing nothing.
Speaker 7: No, I just want to help others and get people
Speaker 7: to respect us and just see us as human beings
Speaker 7: and you know, let us get on with our lives,
Speaker 7: because do you know what, We're not freaks, we're not perverts,
Speaker 7: we're not sexual devians. We're human beings that were born
Speaker 7: with a condition and we've used medical science to correct it. Now,
Speaker 7: if you were born with a heart murmur and one
Speaker 7: arm missing.
Speaker 2: Horse, no one would think anything about it, and.
Speaker 7: The doctors fixed that, or the doctor's quured your cancer,
Speaker 7: they would say, what a wonderful job them doctors has done.
Speaker 7: All them doctors have done has corrected something that's wrong
Speaker 7: at my birth. So we should say, what wonderful job
Speaker 7: than doctors has done? And let me go out and
Speaker 7: enjoy my life and let all trans people enjoyed in life.
Speaker 2: There's just not much I could add to that sentence.
Speaker 1: It is what I hope for for Kelly and for
Speaker 1: Christine and for all trans people. I've grown up gay
Speaker 1: and know so many transsexual transgendered. There's a difference, uh,
Speaker 1: so many transgender people, and I've watched them face insurmountable odds.
Speaker 2: I've seen them be beaten.
Speaker 1: I've seen them just suffer indignations that even gay people
Speaker 1: haven't had to suffer. And even now that there is
Speaker 1: so much because it's a ying and a yang. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's a positive movement now about it, but then there's
Speaker 1: also the backlash.
Speaker 2: So there's there's always a yin and a yang.
Speaker 1: This is a wonderful human being sitting next to me.
Speaker 1: That's what's sitting next to me, A wonderful human being
Speaker 1: who has more fun shopping now, don't you? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I mean love love, Oh.
Speaker 2: I know what's your favorite thing to buy? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like flowy things, you know, like it's gotta be.
Speaker 7: I like heels because it might be to absolutely and
Speaker 7: they make you look good good, And I love, I
Speaker 7: love I did a drag right here, so so.
Speaker 2: You got I found the stores that fell for big girls.
Speaker 7: Now I just love shopping. The colors, the selections are
Speaker 7: so much different.
Speaker 1: And how I cannot imagine as we go, how liberating
Speaker 1: it must be for Kelly to wake up in the
Speaker 1: morning to put on her clothes and go to a
Speaker 1: female dress shop and buy some fabulous clothes and just be.
Speaker 2: Out and open. I mean that just has to feel one.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 7: That is the best thing about this, Because before I
Speaker 7: used to wake up and I'd look at and I'd
Speaker 7: put a track suit on as and I'd go out
Speaker 7: as frank, hating it. And then at night I would
Speaker 7: wait till it was dark and my neighbors couldn't see
Speaker 7: me in our dresses, and I'd go out to my
Speaker 7: support group or at social because because I was quite small, like,
Speaker 7: I got away as long as people didn't know who
Speaker 7: I was, I got away with it.
Speaker 1: And I was very like, right, no, I wouldn't know
Speaker 1: you were trying. Well, you're well, you're not a transfer
Speaker 1: woman anymore. But I would not have known when I
Speaker 1: first met you.
Speaker 7: There you were, and you know, and it was so
Speaker 7: funny because I used to go walk in my dogs.
Speaker 7: I've got two air dells and I used to walk
Speaker 7: them a lot, and that was my sort of relief.
Speaker 7: And then when it came to public, I sort of
Speaker 7: been got up and it was great to be able
Speaker 7: to get up in the morning, just put on a onesie,
Speaker 7: just brush my hair, put a little bit of Lippyon,
Speaker 7: and go out and walk my dogs. And I was
Speaker 7: at one day and I saw this woman coming towards
Speaker 7: me or I always met his frank, and she stopped
Speaker 7: and easily recognizes the dogs and she went to me, Oh,
Speaker 7: I'm so used to your husband walking your dogs. And
Speaker 7: I thought that was the greatest content ever.
Speaker 2: Well, I love you. You are marvelous. Thank you for joining
Speaker 2: me today.
Speaker 1: And I know you get thanked a lot for all
Speaker 1: that you're doing for the young people. But I'll never
Speaker 1: forget when I was on KGO radio and a young
Speaker 1: person came up to me and said, I came out
Speaker 1: to my parents and I did it because of you.
Speaker 1: And you're the only gay person I ever heard on
Speaker 1: the radio. And it's because of you that I'm honest
Speaker 1: with my family. And if even if you only hear
Speaker 1: that once, it really does matter so loo to my friends.
Speaker 1: Leslie from me, Leslie, you gotta come over next year
Speaker 1: because it's the bomb over the back next year. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you all right, I am carel.
Speaker 2: We are gonna find Willie daily. Uh he is the
Speaker 2: matchmak have you have you matched you yet? I know
Speaker 2: you got some bloke calling you're like twelve times an
Speaker 2: a six. Well why not? I am Correl. You want
Speaker 2: to be for long. It doesn't hurt anybody. And we'll
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow. We're gonna cook. Oh are we gonna
Speaker 2: cook tomorrow? Honey? Oh yes we are. Girl.
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