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Now let's dive into today's episode. I'd like to welcome

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to the show Marshall Simms and Bernard Heish. Hi, you guys, doing.

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Speaker 2: Great, Glad to be here with you, Alex.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk to you guys today because I

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haven't had I've had many quantum physics physicists on, physicists on,

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but I've not had any astrophysicists on before, and it's

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a different perspective on the universe an astrophysicists generally speaking.

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So my very first question to you is how do

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you balance the imperial evidence with faith or belief in

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your professional and personal lives.

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Speaker 3: Some of this comes out by looking at the you know,

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the rules of science and physics or astrophysics and seeing

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how how they fit together and who they fit together,

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or is there some major problem. I think it's possible

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to have these two disciplines simultaneously in hand and both

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of them propounding rules for the universe that are consistent

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with with religion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think it might be important to

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go back to how did Bertie get interested in God

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and astrophysics answers your question about how he balances it. So,

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every since he was a little boy, he always felt

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very spiritual and he followed a strong connection to God.

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He was raised Catholic, and he's study to be a

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Catholic priest. And he used to line all of his

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stuffed animals up on a bed in his bedroom and

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feed them communion and he got quite a charge out

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of that. It made him feel like this reward, like

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he was connecting to God. So he did study to

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be a Catholic priest. But he always had an interested

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in the stars. Always just if you look up at

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the night sky, he'd be amazed at the wonder of

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the universe. And so astrophysics became more prominent, more important

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to him. And he also wanted to be able to

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have relationships with the female sex. So yeah, when you're

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a priest, you know, you know, you have to kind

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of be secluded. And so he decided to study astrophysics

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at the Universe Indiana University in Bloomingdale. Bloomington blooming Dales

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is a department store first start in Bloomington, and let's see.

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I do want to add that he had this faith

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from being a child and a lot of times it's

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something you have to have an intuition on because it

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has to go on how you feel. But logically, as

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an astrophysicist, he was taught to think like a scientist,

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and the National Academy of Sciences states that science is

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measuring things in the physical world. You know, everything to

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do with the physical world, analysis, measuring, doing experiments, testing it,

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making theories. So he's really good at doing all that.

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But the National Academy of Sciences says that science has

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nothing to do with religion or spirituality because that's something

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you can't measure. You can't measure God. Really, you can

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into it that there's a God. It's like, how do

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you know if somebody loves you? You can't. There's no

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love meter that you could place on that person other.

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Speaker 1: Than at the carnivals. Other than at the carnivals, there's

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those love meters for like twenty five cents.

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Speaker 2: But yes, I take a judge on the response you

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get right now, if a person loves you, they'll go

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out of their way to do really nice things for you.

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They'll be compassionate, they'll be generous, they'll be sweet and kind.

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And so that's how God is to us. You know,

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Bernie has gotten many answers to prayer with God, and

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he always felt that intuition when he was serving communion

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to his stuffed animals. Well, how else are you want

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to balance at Bernie?

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Speaker 3: Well, Lys is kind of a something in the smoke,

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because this is something that's written for people from basically

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two walks of life. But what is the side where

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there's no religion, Hell or colrade or in any way.

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Speaker 2: People are fearful about Hell, They're fearful about God's power. Yeah,

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they follow dogmas. That's the rules that their their faith

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Speaker 3: Right then, yeah, right.

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Speaker 2: But science doesn't have anything to do with that. No,

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it's possible to be a scientist and to be spiritual.

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I think that's how he balances it. Really, he's open.

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Speaker 1: But it's very interesting too because again I've spoken to

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so many physicists who come on the show in different

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fields of physics, and they, you know, the ones that

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come on the show generally have an open mind to

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spirituality as a general statement, but most in the in

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the general space don't really talk about spirituality. Though more

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and more, i'd say now than ever before, are coming

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up publicly talking about consciousness, talking about quantum physics. Is

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really starting to open a bunch of doors into this space,

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and there's not as much fear. Don't get me wrong,

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there's still very a lot of fear about people coming

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out of the spiritual closet and physics, but it seems

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to be a lot more open. Would you guys agree

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Speaker 3: I agree with that. Yeah, it's it's time for there

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could be a choices can be made perfectly neutral about religion.

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and the strict em and certainly mechanical explanations of things.

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And they're right when you find in California, especially the religious.

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Speaker 2: Well spiritual not religious. We actually we don't have the

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same definition of a religion as we do spirituality, because

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religion is a set of rules that are set by

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whatever church anyone's affiliated with our specific interpretations of the Bible,

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and we're talking more about being attuned to the cosmic

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consciousness that we co create the universe with We are

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sparks of God, and so we, as sparks of God,

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co create our reality, the cosmic we. And by the way,

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term God, we are actually referring to an entity or

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a consciousness that has no sex. We may say he

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or she, but God is not a he. He's not

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a she. He's not a human form. He's not anything

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that we could actually imagine as human beings. People like

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to add through for more eyes God. I mean, we

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do not see God as a desert patriarch sitting in

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a throne with a staff and angels floating around him

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and continuously praising him on clouds of light and joy. No,

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God is the cosmic consciousness. He's the force, the great,

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great Force.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. Let's take it back

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all the way to the beginning, the Big Bang, Right,

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what is the implications of the Big Bang through the

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lens of spirituality? Because I always had the only problem

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I've always had with the Big Bang is I get it.

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It makes all the sense in the world. But what

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was around before the Big Bang?

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Speaker 2: And that was always my question, A question You're right,

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old question, right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's in fact one of the things that

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motivated the book that I wanted to have a balanced

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perspective for beckerd you know, to show the ability of

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the science and spirituality to live side by side and

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perhaps even to get one aside to learn from the other.

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My primary intigation and writing the book.

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Speaker 2: So we take it back to the very very rude

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of existence, and so Bernie and I did a lot

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of research on this and what we have found, at

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least this is our current model. And we use a model.

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By the way, we never say we have all the answers,

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because he's a scientist. He has to have models, you know,

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and as you proceed towards understanding your model or proving it,

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you develop theories about it. So we're always in the

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process of gathering information. But we came upon the idea

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of the iron soft which is the vast nothingness that's

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described in the Kabbala, the Jewish Kabala, the mystical Kabala.

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So we believe at this point that the great cosmic

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consciousness of God fell out of the iron saf and

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just existed as a while, as an awareness, a force,

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a power. And this existence got very lonely, all being

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all by itself because all there was for its companion

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was the iron soft and that doesn't really do anything

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for you, right, So God decided, I need to have experiences,

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I need to have companions. So God created this force

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we think the zero point field, which is a very

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vast electromagnetic feel that's been around since the beginning of

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the universe. And we can tell you more about that later.

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He has some ideas for how to tap it. But anyway,

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this zero point energy, he used it to create the

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Big Bang. And so the Big Bang started as an infinitesimal, tiny,

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tiny little point. They had so much pressure it stop

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me if I'm not explaining, okay, and it just exploded,

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and the zero point energy was there with it, and

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this huge explosion created the universe. All the vast galaxies,

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star systems, planets and things evolved from that.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not really there an explosion, because that implies

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that this happened inside an ordinary space importin mentional geometry,

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and that is now becoming a big question in cosmology

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among those who are experts in the zero point field

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to try to get some understanding of what there was

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before time. I mean, you can't have you can't have

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something happening before or after. If you don't have it

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after or before. It's this impossible to try to understand

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Speaker 3: Find Internet regress and that's more the well, I guess

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it was the scientific problem. I say it's metaphysical, but

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more complicated than our three dimensional replus one dimensional space.

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not have no ideas. What's at this point? I think

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of what kind of thing time is like if it

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changes its character for what it is in our organic

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space to something deeper and more protrauling.

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Speaker 2: That's a big, huge subject, is there it is. That's

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a good time. I mean as a human being, time

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is passage of events, how the day changes, you know,

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the sun rotating, I mean the Earth rotating around the sun,

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and yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: But then time, time and space is It is interesting

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because with quantum entanglement it is kind of put materialism unnoticed,

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if you will, in many ways because it just defies

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time and space. And I've spoken to many spiritual masters,

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have spoken a lot of near death experiences and the

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way that there is no time or space on the

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other side, according to them, because everything is instant, you

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think it, you're there, and quantum entanglement is kind of

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a almost like a little bit of a spark, if

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quantum entanglement a little bit to people to do they really

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Speaker 3: You can in the laboratory set up in a situation

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quantum ows. And what you can do is to take

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and you shoot shoot one off to where they go.

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properties that will for the rest of the age of

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the universe. And unless something comes to law, and and

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because that shows quantum entanglement. It's a really famous experiment.

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Speaker 3: People are experiment proposed it and the lab guy Alectrician.

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most bizarre experiments in physics, and it cuts to the

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heart of the weirdness of quantum mechanics. So this experiment

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light from the laser passes to the open slit, a

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pattern will appear on the wall behind it. This pattern

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is due to the spreading out of light, a process

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called diffraction in this case specifically single slit diffraction. But

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if you uncover the second slit, the light going through

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the open slit will still undergo diffraction. But in addition,

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the light beams traveling through the two slits will interfere

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with each other. Did I say that right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're tied together and the theories it says that

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they're tied together for whoever age you want in the universe,

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because there is that they are connected to each other

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even though you can't connect them in any way. That

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other and very mysterious kind of way that quantum mechanics

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has to be used to but doesn't have any crew

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Speaker 2: Still, it shows how the photons are connected to each

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other quartam entanglement.

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Speaker 3: If you're two photons away from each other, then the

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photons are getting tangled, or you can do with the

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electrons as well, or other other more massive particles. Assume

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across the world from each other and one gets burned

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Speaker 2: That's right, you got it summed it up.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's a it's unexplainable, but there has been

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a lot. I mean, there's just been so much proof

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in about these kind of things that have happened throughout history,

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like the twin thing. I mean, anyone who's ever been

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a twin understands that you feel it, Or even a

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mother and a child you feel like, oh, something's happened

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to my kid, and they just get this instinct that

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just pops in the second it happens. That's not quantifiable

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in materialism or in time and space, but there's something

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going on there, and I think we've all experienced it

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at one point or another. And I mean we can

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use the example of a phone call that the phone

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rings and you know who it is before you pick

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they pick you pick it up. There's some sort of

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weird connection that's in the the quantum field or the

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what would you call it, the magnetic field that you

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were speaking of.

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Speaker 2: Electromagnetic field? Is zero point energy?

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Speaker 1: Is that kind of the quantum field?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Is it verning zero point energy? It's the best electromagnetic

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field energy. I mean Einstein and box Block knew about it.

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It's not a new theory, and I mean, it really

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is acknowledged. So can we tap it? So pretty has

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come up with an idea.

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Speaker 1: So how do you tap it? How do you tap it?

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Speaker 2: You what we tell you about it. Sure, I have

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a little summary page that would actually help me. So

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it's broadly recognized as a vast field of electromagnetic energy.

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It's also known as the quantum vacuum field. This field

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represents the underlying energy that is everywhere in the universe,

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even where there is nothing but vacuum. It's composed of

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every frequency or wavelength that exists. Some are short and

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others are long. It's perfectly random. It's an infinite source

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of energy. And Bernie and our company Jovian jov io

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has come up with a way that we believe could

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provide humanity with an endless supply of totally clean energy

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without violating the second law of thermodynamics. Our process has

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nothing to do with heat, is electromagnetic. So there's a

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Casmir force that happens between two parallel metal plates that

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the outside of the plates. And the reason is because

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if the plates are really really close together, the longer

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waves of the ZPE cannot get into the plate, can't

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pass through, so it becomes, you know, like a little

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vacuum inside. And this is called the Kasimir force, and

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it happens down at the nano level, so it's very

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very tiny place and it can be we we believe

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the ZPF can be manipulated through use of nanosized Kasimir

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cavities by squeezing out photon energy electronic orbitals of an

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atom spiral down inside the cavity and photons are emitted.

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Our process then sends the photons through a photovoltaic cell

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and electricity will be generated. So in this way it

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would be captured in a device we would call the

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Kasimir generator or the CG and it's portable. You can

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use it for driving cars, for hospital littles, kitchens, whatever

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you need. Yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: So much more more friendly to the environment. And then

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the fever energy would be because here you're really really

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taking nothing out of the energy of the universe except

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doing that in the interview of the universe through your experiment.

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Speaker 2: So the air that passes through the Casimir cavity as

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it goes back out to the main area, it's replenished,

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so we're not using up any resources.

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Speaker 3: The situation is that we apply for a patent on

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this device, and we've actually done at it some years

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ago and its partiality to did that, but then came

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the awkward requirement to go find some money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, respond time, we've had several experiments that had some

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very promising results, but we haven't had the funds to

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get the proper kind of Knademiric cavity. We need to

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research and get more information to create a prototype.

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Speaker 1: So that's well, that sounds fascinating. Is is this is

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this technology that you guys are talking about. Did Tesla

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touch upon any of this or is that a completely

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different way that he was trying to do kind of

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like this free.

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Speaker 3: Energy he describing, we described also heard other things in

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mind that were sometimes not.

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Speaker 2: So broadcasting electricity. Yeah, this is not like that. Okay,

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is on you know, portable on location wherever you are.

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Speaker 3: I would hesitate some credibility to.

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Speaker 2: He was brilliant, he was a genius.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, without yeah, without question. And we're still

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trying to figure out a lot of the stuff that

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he was talking about back a.

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Speaker 2: Better of our alternating current which the world works on.

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So he deserves a lot of credit.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. So what you're saying in regards to this

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this for this uh, this field that we're tapping into,

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as you were describing it, it sounds very much like

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the force from Star Wars. It is around us, it's

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all around us. You can manipulate it, and then just

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kind of it sounded very force like in that sense.

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Maybe you don't need to be a Jedi but I'm

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just using using that as an example.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm sure I think there's a lot of truth

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to the force.

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Speaker 1: Actually, oh, absolutely absolutely, Well, I mean, but go ahead, Bernie.

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Speaker 3: This was something I certainly could have across near a

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Festa's desk and he would be very comfortable with this.

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And the thing is that the energy inherent in this

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field is literally infinite, and so you can pick out

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the pieces of it that are a grave blanks that

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are not going to be the word belligerent because most

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weapons are most most experiments and theories wind up somehow

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or other supporting weapons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cannot be used for weapons.

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Speaker 3: This inn can not be used for for any weapon

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because you pick out certain frequencies in the field. Correct. Uh,

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but if you're not going to extract a whole bunch

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of other stuff which can become explosive, you know, as

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in the uh it's hydrogen bomb. So this seems seems

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to be benevolent usage of the zero point field. Uh.

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That couldn't couldn't be turned into weapons by anybody anybody, know,

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no matter how money is thrown at it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you say, you use the word frequency, and

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I think that's a very interesting word to use because

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on a spiritual standpoint, frequency is spoken about so much

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that you have to change your vibration. The lower the frequency, uh,

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the soul is is that a low frequency, so it

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attracts certain things to it. The higher the frequency, Uh,

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you could feel that energy. Do you believe that the

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universe is just essentially frequency? That frequency is fundamental? Fundamental?

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Speaker 2: Well, we think the universe is consciousness really yes.

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Speaker 1: But is that but is that consciousness a frequency?

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Speaker 3: That's the question. Frequency without without something to to frequent

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as an unrefinable but you can make anything.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I have a frequency guitar. Guitar is an actually example.

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The frequencies are the lariest north you find in the scale.

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So the frequency has to be defined in terms of

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what it is. It's it's frequenting.

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Speaker 2: At this point, I would just like to let everyone

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know that Bernie is Parkinson's So if he's slow speaking,

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it's because of his illness. He's doing an amazing job. Yes, yes,

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he's enjoying this book. By the way, this is his

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fourth book.

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Speaker 1: That's excellent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I helped him write this book because it's hard

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for him to type, and I actually put a lot

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of my own ideas into it too, So very good.

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Speaker 1: No, I appreciate I appreciate you letting letting everybody know

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that I was going to let them know as well.

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It's very courageous what you're doing, Bernard about with these

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interviews and getting this information out into the world. And

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that's what I'm trying to do with the show, as

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well as to have these conversations reach a mass audience

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as much as we possibly can. And now I wanted

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to ask you this is one of my favorite topics.

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I'd love to hear your point of view on it.

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Simulation theory, the idea that we are in a conscious simulation,

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very much matrix like from the movie The Matrix. I

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don't believe there were in the side of a computer

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somewhere and there's some teenage alien playing us as a simulation.

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I don't believe that. But the concept of Maya from

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the Vedic text, or the dream from the Aborigines, or

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so many other things. The concept of the illusion that

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we are all part of has been around for thousands

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of years, and now physics is starting to catch up

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to this idea of quantum physics is starting to catch up.

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I'd love to hear your point of view on it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess the central point of our book They

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and mapposal but a suggestion and a model. It's a

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model of reality that buys all living things and our

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planets and us and so on. And this assumes that

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there is what God would do. This idea of God

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is attractive to as Marchisi create companions and sort and

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but mainly to exercise his own abilities by creating what

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he imagines. And that would be a lot more fun

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create what you imagine than doing this the hard work

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of imagining, not creating it.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 3: So think about think of God wanting for some crazy

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reason to go ski down the mountain. Okay, what's happened?

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Wants to go skiing? Well, can you do that? Is God? No,

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I can't because even God can't make I can't make

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the ski boots or ski or skis that would suit

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or accommodate the principles. So if he went through skiing

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one day, all he has to do is create a

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ski resort and ski apparel. And he can't see what

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he wants.

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Speaker 2: To two human beings. He experiences to the human beings

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and skiing.

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Speaker 3: Right, And then the importance of this thing that has

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been done is that he will understand what can be

479
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:03,519
done with the laws of physics that he has created.

480
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:05,640
And that's the in fact, the whole purpose of it,

481
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,000
because if John did not have some outside reference to

482
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:15,400
work guest and compare his understanding to other people, then

483
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,359
there would be no fun in the scene down the mountain.

484
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: And in other words, God wanted to create a universe

485
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:25,200
full of interesting stuff so he could play and learn

486
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,559
and grow and you know, you have to experience, and

487
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,599
he couldn't experience of the consciousness that he can experience

488
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,039
through us and all the animals on the planet and

489
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:36,720
you know, other living beings.

490
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: What fun is the diplo monopoly?

491
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: You know you have no gaymates, right, Yeah, So we're

492
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:50,920
bosing that God imagines all of the cosmic reality the

493
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:56,039
universe by organizing his thoughts into computer like algorithms that

494
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:02,640
run in his mind. This requires unbelievable bandwidth in data storage,

495
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,880
but it solves one of the greatest mysteries of all time.

496
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,000
So God is a mathematician, and if you look at

497
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,720
the world around us, math is apparent in every aspect,

498
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,680
especially in physics and science, you know, even in music

499
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,759
and art. Yeah, art is full of mathematics. Oh yeah,

500
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:30,960
the Golden mean and art in music. Well, so music

501
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:38,359
is based on math really, I mean every the distance

502
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,200
between every octave. And Bach made sure he measured it

503
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:47,200
out correctly. Johann Sebastian Bach, the father of modern music,

504
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:53,440
created each half step to be the square root of two,

505
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,200
twelfth twelve root of two. That's square twelfth root of two. Yeah,

506
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:04,400
and then we need so and by doing that, every

507
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:08,759
instrument could play together in an orchestra or a band

508
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,039
because they would all be in tune with each other.

509
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:12,119
Speaker 3: Are we hearing each other?

510
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: Go?

511
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Absolutely the question. I've been using that concept

512
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:21,920
of the algorithm, God's algorithm for a while now. First

513
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,200
I've heard that's that used it as well, because I

514
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,000
always don't. It was because I'd been using it as

515
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,359
an example because people are like, well, if we have

516
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:34,279
free will, then you know, how can we have predestinies

517
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,240
and all this kind of stuff, like, you know, we're

518
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:39,440
down here to go down certain predestined paths, but if

519
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,160
you have free will, how is that possible? And I

520
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:44,880
was like, well it seems to me that we're God's algorithm,

521
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,119
because an algorithm has a direction, but it kind of

522
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,079
does what it wants, and it could figure things out

523
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,160
in ways that we the creator of the algorithm didn't

524
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,960
see coming, so it would learn. It's AI essentially it's

525
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:01,119
learning and growing, but it's going on its own direction.

526
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,799
So the algorithm has free will within a box of

527
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,279
parameters that it's sad and so it sounds very similar

528
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:11,400
to what we are down here. And if and this

529
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,840
is just the one planet, let's not even talk about

530
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:16,519
the billions and billions of other planets in the universe.

531
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,599
God knows what's sitting around other algorithms that are being

532
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:24,000
flow that are being tested around the universe as well,

533
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,960
which is very very interesting.

534
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that God has a motive, and you can figure

535
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,039
out presson be sitting here and having that given ideas

536
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,719
that basically explaining on whats of God's motivation is. That's

537
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,760
that's high pollutant thinking, you know. Uh, And if we're right,

538
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,199
we've got something that should appeal to a lot more

539
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,719
people than the you know, the materialistic versions of God

540
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,199
on one side, and they I don't believe in God

541
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,880
on h the other side. I think we've offered a

542
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,840
good u starting point or a reasonable middle that is

543
00:34:56,039 --> 00:35:00,519
not only going through I think if we panel with

544
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:07,360
materialism and psychism, but it's going to be a learning too,

545
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,760
even for God himself to learn how, how, how what

546
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,320
he is and what he can be done, which is inforting.

547
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:14,519
Speaker 2: Well, it's good.

548
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: No No, I was going to say, it's like when

549
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:20,119
when you're when you were a kid and you're playing

550
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,079
with your Barbies or you're playing with your g I Joe's.

551
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,239
You as the creator, the god of that environment that

552
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,320
you've created. You have characters and you have a predestined

553
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,800
way that you're fighting with them or telling a little

554
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,239
story or things like that. But you as the creator,

555
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,280
understand where the story is going because you're creating the

556
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,639
story as we go along. But as an algorithm, it's

557
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,079
kind of like throwing a g I Joe and a

558
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,719
Barbie together and like, let's see what happens. Uh, And

559
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,159
that's a much more exciting story because you really truly

560
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:47,960
don't know which way it's going to go. So the

561
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:51,559
idea of us being the algorithm of God makes so

562
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,679
much more sense than there's this big puppeteer just because

563
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,920
that's boring. If it's just a boring story, it's a

564
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,440
boring way of looking at what we do here. So

565
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:07,960
this free will thing is really fundamental to this entire

566
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:13,639
cosmic algorithm algorithm simulation that we're all kind of sitting in.

567
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:17,679
Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah, I have an interesting quote I was going

568
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,800
to read. Brian Whitworth, a professor of information processing in

569
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,280
technology in New Zealand, puts it all this way. One

570
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,159
of the mysteries of our world is how every photon

571
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,719
of light, every electron and quirk, and indeed every point

572
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,480
of space itself seems to just know what to do

573
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:43,239
with each moment. The mystery is that these tiniest parts

574
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,840
of the universe have no mechanisms or structures for which

575
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,760
to make such decisions. Only God, the algorithm, could make

576
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,760
those decisions.

577
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking the other day. I don't

578
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,880
know if you guys have animals or not, or have

579
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,320
had animals in your life, but I was. I was

580
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,920
looking at my cats. That have a couple of cats,

581
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,840
and I was looking at them, and they're pre the

582
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,800
way they react to us as a family. They're kind

583
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,719
of like small algorithms with sets of rules. Cats will

584
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,760
be cats. Cats will not be a dog won't be

585
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,400
a giraffe. It has its pre built algorithm of how

586
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,880
it reacts to us. And I was just looking at

587
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,440
them like, well that if that's the case, then a

588
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:30,079
tree has its own algorithm. A tiger has its own algorithm.

589
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,639
You know, a bear has its own algorithm in the

590
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,360
sense of the way it interacts with us. That's why

591
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,079
I always get upset when people are like, oh, that

592
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:43,599
tiger went crazy. No, the tiger went tiger. You got

593
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:45,960
in its way. It didn't get in your way. Kind

594
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,840
of situation. But it again goes along with this idea

595
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,639
of this algorithm that everything, every blade of grass, every

596
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,679
bird that's flying, it has its own pre built programming

597
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,800
or way that it interacts with this environment. Does that

598
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:00,400
make sense?

599
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: I think you put it really well perfect. Yeah, So

600
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,840
an algorithm, the dog algorithm, the turtle algorithms. Have I

601
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,519
had a turtle for a long time, Oh yeah.

602
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: As they do, then their algorithm lives a long time

603
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,320
if you feed them.

604
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:18,519
Speaker 2: Right.

605
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: But there's all these sets of rules and even something

606
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,039
as you know, something as simple as a blade of

607
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:29,039
grass is conscious. It's not the level of consciousness that

608
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,679
you and I might have. But when the sun comes out,

609
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,239
it angles itself to get the sun, you know. And

610
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:40,280
there were some amazing experiments I saw, I saw. I

611
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,159
forgot who who was doing it, but they were seeing

612
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,760
how conscious a plant was, and they would they would

613
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,199
plant a seed and they would see where the roots

614
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:54,760
would go, and they would put an empty dish and

615
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,599
a dish with water underneath the soil to see where

616
00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:00,679
it would go. And it would automatically we go toward

617
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,320
every time to where the water was. It just instinctively new,

618
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,480
it's programming new it needed to get water. Then they

619
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:12,320
actually played the sound of water to see if it

620
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,280
would do it, and it went after the sound of

621
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,440
water as well. I mean, it's just really fascinating these

622
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,440
ideas of what is conscious and what is not conscious

623
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,599
in the world today. What do you think about that experiment?

624
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,519
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a good one. Or other experiments

625
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:32,199
that showed that the class in general have consciousness of

626
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,559
some certain reactive existim higher.

627
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,519
Speaker 2: And well, I have to tell you. When I was

628
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:44,159
getting my teaching credential at the University of California at

629
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:49,360
Center Barbara, we as student teachers, conducted an experiment in

630
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,320
a room we grew plants to set different kinds of

631
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:58,280
music to see how they would respond. Sure, so we

632
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,880
had a section that listened to classlassical music, and those

633
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:08,800
plants boots tall and straight and flourished. Then we had

634
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,800
the plants that were listening to rock music, and they

635
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:18,679
got a little bit jaggedy, a little twisted, and musa musak.

636
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:22,239
It was soothing to the plants, but they didn't grow

637
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,920
as tall and straight as the classical music. Isn't that

638
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:30,760
interesting that classical music is very mathematical. And I was

639
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,480
talking about that earlier when I was talking about the

640
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:38,199
mathematical nature of music, And I mean when you think

641
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,159
about the rhythm notations, the quarter notes, eighth notes, half notes,

642
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,719
and time signatures, I mean, it's all based on math.

643
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:52,119
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

644
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,000
and now back to the show.

645
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: And I think this is one of the things I

646
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:07,840
wonder about music. Whether God uses music as his mathematical

647
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:13,679
expression or algorithm through sound. Is it possible that music

648
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:19,480
is mathematical because the universe was designed by a pure mathematician.

649
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:24,239
It has the greatest influence on us of anything abstract

650
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,760
in the world, and it undergirds all of society. You know,

651
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:34,320
it's impossible to get away from music. Yeah, it's everywhere.

652
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:38,559
It's all pervasive, from classical music. I mean, I have

653
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:42,800
to say I'm a little bit font more biased towards

654
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,360
classical music because I'm a music teacher and opera singer.

655
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,559
But I still like pop, I still like rock. I

656
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,280
like DJ music, you know, And you can experience God

657
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,159
through music in the church if you go to a

658
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,000
church service.

659
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: Well, well, you know what's really interest. I come from filmmaking.

660
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,000
I've been a filmmaker for many years and I worked

661
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:08,800
in Hollywood, and story is also something that's everywhere. You

662
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,760
can't get away from story. It is true, absolutely every

663
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,440
every aspect of our life, even from like this is

664
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,400
what just happened to me when I walk down the street.

665
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,840
We constantly are telling each other stories. But the classic

666
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,599
stories that have stood the test of time are mathematical

667
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:28,760
in the beats of when certain things have to happen

668
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,480
in the story that the Joseph Campibell put it, the

669
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:36,800
hero's journey. That's why a story like Star Wars hits

670
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,159
these beats so perfectly. And then you start analyzing old

671
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,960
films and you just go, oh, there's the beat. There's

672
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,039
the beat. There's the beat, there's the beat. It is

673
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:48,039
absolutely mathematical and art. I mean, just look at the

674
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:50,159
Mona Lisa, or you look at a vengo or and

675
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,599
you can start breaking down the mathematics of art. It

676
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,320
doesn't seem like it is, but it's there, always underlining

677
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,199
behind the scenes.

678
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

679
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: I've also a graphic artist and every time I start

680
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,039
a project, like if I'm doing a flyer for my opera.

681
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:12,320
I'm on the board of an opera company called Parisvie Opera.

682
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,599
It's in San Francisco Bay Area, and I have to

683
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,719
measure everything out, like what size do I want the card?

684
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,559
What are the margins going to be? Like how big

685
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,239
is this logo supposed to be? How what font size?

686
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,320
What font type? You know, how is it going to

687
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,599
fit into this little space? How are you going to

688
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:37,880
balance everything out? I mean, it's all mathematics and to

689
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:38,800
the eye, right.

690
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,039
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. Isn't it interesting? Though, Like when

691
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:43,800
you look at when you look at something that's off balance.

692
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,079
As a graphic designer, because I've been doing graphic design

693
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:50,199
for many years as well, you can't if you're a

694
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,039
layman and there's an understanding graphic design, and you look

695
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,840
at something, you'll just go that doesn't feel right, But

696
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,639
then you move like, oh, let's just move it over

697
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,840
to the left. Oh, okay, that feels better. It's fascinating.

698
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,159
It's fascinating to see, Like, you know, we as graphic designers,

699
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,159
you can kind of see what's going on behind the

700
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:10,000
scenes because we have the theory and understanding of it

701
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:14,320
and also just our instinctual i that we've developed over

702
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,920
years and years of working in that space. But when

703
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,719
something's off, the layman or the man or woman on

704
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,280
the street won't know what it is wrong, but they

705
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,039
can tell. Same thing with music, same thing with story,

706
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,840
same thing with movies, same thing with art. They could

707
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,079
just sense something is off. That's why when anything veers

708
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,840
from the standard story structure that has been around for

709
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:44,039
thousands and thousands of years, people mass people generally don't

710
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:47,840
like it. That's why every big blockbuster runs through that

711
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:50,960
same structure and many versions of it, but still runs

712
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,000
through that structure. And when it's off, when you watch

713
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:55,800
a Fellini film, it's very different than when you watch Titanic.

714
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,079
Oh yeah, the beats are slightly different or David Lynchfield

715
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:05,280
for that matter, they're all good, but they all have

716
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,039
a different, different, different thing. It's very interesting. Now I

717
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:13,039
wanted to ask you, guys, what, from an astrophysics standpoint,

718
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:18,159
can astrophysics inform the concept of reincarnation or rebirth.

719
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think that anything out of it astrophysics

720
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,400
could have much relevance here. But in fact, I believe

721
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,000
in the incarnation. I think it's essential to carry out

722
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,800
like God carry out its plans. You see, if you,

723
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,480
if you we want to have a rish life, you

724
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:46,039
want to be able to live it according to your

725
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:49,719
own free will. And that free will would not be

726
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,360
possible if we woke up on Morien and said, oh gee,

727
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,639
that's reincarnated and now i'm and so it would be

728
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,960
worthless to live in life and that kind of that

729
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:01,800
kind of reward system, because you would know, what if

730
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,079
we're done before and differently, and it would be hinder

731
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,079
your abilities to operate as an independent, independent, powerful human being. Well,

732
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,679
it's that that I see as the biggest asset of

733
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:18,280
that you're can live on lives and that they have

734
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,880
a purpose, and that purpose is if you're going to

735
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,079
live better and better lives if you go through them,

736
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:22,639
you know.

737
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,079
Speaker 2: With and you can make up for mistakes that you

738
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,119
made before you get other chances. Right, It's not like

739
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,719
a one time thing and wow, oh I blew it.

740
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:36,280
I guess I'm going to hell right right.

741
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: But the thing is that the key to that is

742
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,920
that we forget that we're not informed about those other

743
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:45,880
lives or why we're even here. Is the discovery aspect,

744
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,719
because according to the spirituatural spiritual mattress I've spoken to

745
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,400
and near death experiences, is that there is a plan

746
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,039
that we come down here with, but we don't know

747
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,199
the plan. We have to kind of discover it, and

748
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,280
sometimes we have the free will to go off off

749
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,960
course and completely missed the point.

750
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,599
Speaker 2: You know what we know? I mean, at least I

751
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,320
can speak for myself, all right. I know when a

752
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,559
certain something happens in my life, you know, a certain episode.

753
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:18,760
I know what I'm supposed to do. I can see

754
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:23,000
two choices I could see. Yeah, well, if I follow

755
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,960
it through on this, It's going to be kind of tough,

756
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,440
but I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to do it, because

757
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:32,480
the alternative is to go and do something else, for instance,

758
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,599
writing this book. So Bernie has been working on it.

759
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,079
He worked on it for about five years, but you know,

760
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:42,280
because he got Parkinson's, he was having problems completing it.

761
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,760
And you know, he was kind of hinting that he

762
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,280
needed help, but he didn't actually ask for it, except

763
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,719
one day he said, Okay, Marcia, I really want to

764
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,719
finish this book. By the way, we're a husband and wife, Teama,

765
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,719
I should say we've been together for thirty six years,

766
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,840
so I know him really well. But he asked me

767
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,199
for help, and he said, if you help me, you

768
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,920
can put your name on the book alongside mine. And

769
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:12,199
that made all the difference in the world. And then

770
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,079
I knew, I mean, I spent several months helping him

771
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,960
clean this book up, organize it, edit it, whatever. But

772
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:23,239
I knew that was one of my purposes here. It

773
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,920
was to help him write this book. And I think

774
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,960
it's his most powerful book. Really. I mentioned the title,

775
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,800
of course, Yeah, she's a miracle of our universe.

776
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:39,159
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you. Let me ask you. Though

777
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,760
this book is coming out, it is available now in

778
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:49,719
this time period, right, So would this book have even

779
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,039
been accepted thirty years ago?

780
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: Probably not?

781
00:48:57,519 --> 00:48:57,679
Speaker 3: Right?

782
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, Bernard would have been laught that

783
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,440
probably lapped out of the field at that point in time.

784
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:04,559
Is that Is that fair?

785
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. That's a possibility. Yeah.

786
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm stating that because it just seems that everything

787
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,519
is just shifting so much that these ideas are being

788
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:17,199
more and more widely accepted by people. I mean, I

789
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,800
don't remember a time where, you know, someone like me

790
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,239
is sitting down with an astrophysicist or a quantum physicists

791
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,440
and talking deep you know, physics kind of conversations mixed

792
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,480
in with spirituality. This really didn't exist ten years ago,

793
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,920
twenty years ago in a mass way, But now there

794
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,559
shows talking about it all the time. So I think it.

795
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:39,239
Do you believe it? It is the time for this

796
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,679
information to start hitting the masses.

797
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,079
Speaker 3: I have time for that, and also time for.

798
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,039
Speaker 2: It's a new view of consciousness, God, science, and reality,

799
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,880
which is what's going on right now.

800
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: But evolution is that I think it's also something that

801
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,599
might might be proven within a year or so. As

802
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,519
we now have we have a huge number of uh

803
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:06,519
aerial phenomena that have been observed well several years, probably

804
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,280
pretty hild because I think it's uh, it's really uh

805
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,199
deeply involved. We are deeply involved with that as a

806
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,599
way to have our civilization go through a phase transition

807
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,800
from from we have now to something much different.

808
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: So all the observations of the UFOs or U A P.

809
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, really jazzed by that because I think that it

810
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,840
comes out as that respective will. It's going to upset

811
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,440
the world significantly, and hopefully.

812
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

813
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,480
and now back to the show. Absolutely, and I think

814
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:52,519
we have to kind of be I think we have

815
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,599
as a as a species, have to get to a

816
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:59,239
certain consciousness to even accept this idea without us completely

817
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,559
losing our mind. And I think that we have been

818
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,639
growing in consciousness. Humanity's consciousness has been evolving I think,

819
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:09,920
I think a very fast rate over the last ten years.

820
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,519
I mean, because what the strides have been made in

821
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:16,719
these kind of conversations in the last ten years probably

822
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,000
are more than they were made in the last hundred prior.

823
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:20,760
I mean, it's just very fast.

824
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: You know. As horrible as the pandemic was, it gave

825
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:32,239
us all time to have our own personal internal space

826
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,199
and dialogue, which we often don't get because we're so

827
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,760
busy with things. And you know, our lives. But during

828
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,960
the pandemic, that probably was a turning point for our race.

829
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,880
You know, we decided to get more spiritual. We started

830
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,440
meditating because we had time to meditate.

831
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if you would have told me the

832
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:57,760
entire world shut down for six weeks, I mean to

833
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,800
the point where the dolphins came back to Venice, I

834
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,280
mean to the canals of Venice, like literally, after like

835
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,800
a few weeks, they were coming back into the city.

836
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,360
I would have said, durre insane. That sounds like a

837
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,559
science fiction movie. But in our lifetime, the entire world

838
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:18,480
pretty much shut down to a certain extent for about

839
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:21,039
six weeks, and then of course it took a long

840
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:24,000
time for everybody to come back out. But you're right,

841
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:24,360
it is.

842
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,159
Speaker 3: It was.

843
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:27,519
Speaker 1: It was a very difficult time for all of us,

844
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,639
but in many ways hidden blessings to give us that

845
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,320
time to kind of reflect on our lives to the

846
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,079
point now that the West are like, no, I don't

847
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:39,800
want to work nine to five and work forty to

848
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,679
sixty hour weeks for forty years and then get a

849
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,000
watch that that doesn't exist anymore, that's gone. You know.

850
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,000
I want to work at home. I want to do this.

851
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,159
I want to have life work balance that didn't exist

852
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:56,000
pre pandemic. Now, guys, I want to ask you a

853
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:59,000
few questions I ask all of my guests. Okay, what

854
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:01,800
is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

855
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: Realizing my dreams is fulfilling my life. I have a

856
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,800
lot of dreams, things that I want to achieve. I've

857
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,360
actually done a lot of the things. Maybe finishing this

858
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:26,440
book is one of the biggest ones, because sharing thoughts

859
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,239
that I've had, intuitions I've had, you know, with the

860
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,599
world for anyone who cares to read the book. You know,

861
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,880
we put our heart and soul into this book. So

862
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:40,880
I'm Bernie especially. I mean I helped him shape his ideas.

863
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,400
So it really is kind of a synthesis of all

864
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,800
your ideas, wouldn't you say?

865
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

866
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I guess fulfilling my life is fulfilling my

867
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,840
dreams and having a richness of you know, joy and

868
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,960
happiness and love and feeling and light whatever. What it

869
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:02,960
was the fulfilled life for you, Bernie?

870
00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I write something like a series of books

871
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,559
is certainly Yeah. I feel that's accomplished something that I

872
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,360
came here to do and a pron of and accomplishes

873
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:19,000
a purpose. I think. So that's what to me is life.

874
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:23,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, he finished it. He said he always had a

875
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:25,079
dream from when he was a young boy that he

876
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,920
wanted to write about God and science. He did it.

877
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, that's beautiful.

878
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:36,599
Speaker 2: That's yeah. So he has four books. He has The

879
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:42,519
God Theory, The Purpose Guided Universe, Proof of God with

880
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:46,679
Ptolemy Tompkins, and then The Miracle of Our Universe, A

881
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,320
New View of Consciousness, God, Science and Reality by Bernie

882
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,280
and myself. We have a copy here, do you know. Yeah,

883
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,119
So that's that's fulfillment, all right.

884
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:01,039
Speaker 3: You l oh.

885
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: I think I'm I think I'm doing it. I think

886
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:06,360
I'm doing it. I mean from where I came from

887
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,559
being a filmmaker and working with Oscar winners and all

888
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:13,119
that kind of stuff back in the day. Uh, to

889
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,239
do a spiritual podcast, which is completely outside of my

890
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,199
comfort zone when I started it. Yeah, and it's fallen

891
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,719
into something that is shaping and impacting millions of people

892
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,320
around the world. Uh, this is I feel that I'm

893
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,559
very fulfilled doing this kind of work.

894
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 2: So it's it is yeah, to share spirituality.

895
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: Our son is also up and coming a filmmaker, breaking them.

896
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will.

897
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: We will have a conversation about it after we stopped recording.

898
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:52,480
I'll tell you all about the film business. Uh Now,

899
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,199
if both of if both of you had a chance

900
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,599
to go back in time and speak to little Marsha

901
00:55:57,639 --> 00:55:59,679
and little Bernie, what advice would you give them.

902
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:10,519
Speaker 2: To Little Marsha, Be confident in myself. Be confident that

903
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:15,079
I can be beautiful, that I can do great things.

904
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,360
I think that's one of the things that I've learned

905
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,400
over time, to gain confidence and then be confident that

906
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,199
I have things to share with people around me. And

907
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:32,960
I'm proud as a little Barshit, big Barsha of my

908
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:39,119
ability to persevere. I've always been a very persistent person. Bernie,

909
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:42,199
I will tell you I don't give up, even long

910
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,480
beyond but I should. I don't. I don't give up.

911
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,800
I always find workarounds. So I guess that's one thing

912
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,920
I would tell little Marsha too, don't give up. Find

913
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,840
a work around if you run into a wall.

914
00:56:57,039 --> 00:57:01,199
Speaker 3: That's important, very important, very important you Berny Well, I

915
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,280
started to say, I have two kids, and in terms

916
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:10,360
of what they would learn from three, it's right. You

917
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,960
might have two of my own and one is adopted

918
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,760
UH from the marshas. So what to say to them?

919
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,119
I guess to be true to themselves and try to

920
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:28,519
find something that is really significant to them that they

921
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:34,079
can invest their their their abilities and also their their

922
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:37,880
yunions for. And that would be if I if I

923
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:44,440
do that in the right way, then if I look

924
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,559
back at that and say I have done in the

925
00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:49,360
right way, that would be fulfilling the biggest round about

926
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:49,800
bat Well, I.

927
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: Just but yourself. You've filled your dreams, right, yeah, if

928
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,519
fulfilled the streams. I mean, he still has a word

929
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:00,519
to go, I'm sure, but right now, well, at this

930
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:05,639
point in time, he has kept going. He has not

931
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:06,320
given up.

932
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 3: In fact, I would say that probably this book there

933
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,400
is more weight to me in terms of my thinking

934
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,199
of it as a healing tool and something to provide

935
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,880
information from mankind. I would say this, this is this

936
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,360
outweighs my scientific papers. I have over one hundred scientific

937
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,960
papers three three something like yeah, and the other things

938
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:32,599
in an astrophysics you know, I spent ten years as

939
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:36,920
a scientific editor for the Astrophysical Journal. So the coadre

940
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:42,159
of scientists that are responsible for accepting or rejecting the

941
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,320
UH research in that field that goes on. And I

942
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,880
was when I'm ten for for a year, so there

943
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,920
are other things besides the books and that, but it's uh,

944
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,280
well it's been probably in a pretty good life.

945
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, how do you define God?

946
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: God a great cosmic consciousness that creates reality and as

947
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,639
we said earlier, spun off the universe and the star

948
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,320
systems and the planets and the humans and the animals,

949
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:25,199
spun them off so that God, he, she could have experiences.

950
00:59:26,039 --> 00:59:30,079
So because we're a creation of God, we're a spark

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of God. So we see it as God as a consciousness.

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You could say it was a force. Consciousness is a force,

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It's an awareness. Did I leave anything else that you

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want to say about God?

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Speaker 3: Many things?

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Speaker 2: Probably probably, yeah, But it's the higher power. And well,

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so oftentimes people approach God when they're in great need,

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so otherwise they are kind of oblivious. But God can

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answer our prayers.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: And so I guess this is something important. I want

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to say. How do you realize or how do you

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know if God actually answered your prayer? And does God

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answer all of our prayers? So God gives you answers

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that not necessarily in the time praying that you would like,

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sometimes right away, sometimes down the road. You could see

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answers by observing the world around you. I mean, sometimes

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you might get an answer from God by looking at

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a road sign and the answer is right there, embedded

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in the road sign message, or by looking at a

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license plate, or coming out of the mouth of a friend,

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or you know radio program you are listening to. But

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your prayers do get answered, just not always in the

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way you might expect. So do you have anything else

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to say about prayers and prayers? Oh, it's important when

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you pray to God to be really clear about what

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it is you want, you know, not just some vague

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thing like, oh, sure pray for pray for Deborah, or

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what you want to say? Well, these are the things

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that I would like to come about. You know that

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she's healed, that her back is perfect, she has a

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love in her life, and joy and friends, you know

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that kind of stuff, not just a general prayer, but

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exactly what would you like to see in that person's

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life appear? So God really knows what kind of answers

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you're looking for. Five senses you know fair enough very much.

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Smell eel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now where can people find out more about you and

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the amazing work you guys are doing in the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have a website. It's www dot the Miracle

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of Our Universe dot com, and we're also on Facebook,

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the Miracle of Our Universe. You just search for it

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in Facebook and it pops up. I have an Instagram

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account Marcius Simms for zero and the book is available

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for sale on Amazon and other major book seller outlets

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like Barnes and Noble and Walmart and Target. So I

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guess those are the major places. Look on our sure,

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redwill Weiser, there's the page about us there.

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Speaker 3: To us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, plenty of ways to get to it.

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Speaker 1: And do you have any party messages for the audience?

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Speaker 2: Well, I would just like to share with everyone how

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you can get your guaranteed ticket to Heaven, because that

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was the original title of our book, by the way,

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and so I wanted to put this in the book,

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and it's in the book in the back section. So

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I wanted to share everyone you have a guaranteed ticket

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to Heaven because you are a spark of God and

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you're a part of him or her. The alternative would

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be helped. Answer is because we are sparks of God.

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Why would God condemn a part of himself to eternal

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fire and damnation. It's illogical. You know, if someone does

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something that deserves negative carbon, well it can be paid off.

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You know, I have to do enough good deeds, but

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it can be paid off. So how you experience heaven

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while you're here on earth? It's important to be in

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a state of gratitude because this opens your mind for optimism, love,

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and God's still small voice. The good news is that anyone,

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even you, can achieve this if you take the time

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to meditate and distill your monkey mind. It may take

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a lot of practice because the mind likes to loop

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around in thoughts. So one of the ways that I

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steal my mind is I sit in a quiet place

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and count backwards from one hundred. And I sometimes have

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to do it so fast to stop the thoughts that

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there's not a space for a thought to come in.

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But it does slow down, and then as it slows down,

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you can melt right into the beauty and grace of God.

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I get a lovely kind of spring, green and purple,

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and some magentas and they kind of swirl around inside

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my mind's eye, and then I know that I am

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communicating with the cosmic consciousness.

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Speaker 1: That was beautiful, Marsha, Thank you so much. I want

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to thank both you and Bernie for coming on the

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show and not only talking with me today for my audience,

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but also for the amazing work that you're doing to

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raise the consciousness of the planet. So I appreciate both

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of you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome, our pleasure, You're delightful, host great, thank you.

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Speaker 1: For spending this sacred time with us today. If you

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feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the

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