WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:07.200 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVS, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:09.839 Good News, good news, good news, good news. 3 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:13.839 Dance back tomorrow night, Big Show Tomorrow night with the 4 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:18.839 Big Dog returning in the house. Josh Kraft the smartest 5 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:23.120 of the Craft brothers. Don't tell Jonathan and Danny. I 6 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:25.039 said that, okay, but they might agree with it. 7 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:25.519 I don't know. 8 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:29.039 Josh Kraft will be on with Dan Ray tomorrow night 9 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:30.160 on Night Side. 10 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:33.880 Who is running against Michelle Woo And I'm very happy 11 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:36.679 to have Gail colleague cover city Hall for the Herald. 12 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:37.200 Boy. 13 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:40.679 That is a gig. Gail, that is a gig. I 14 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:44.000 mean covering Boston City Hall. First of all, before we 15 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:46.359 get into this mayor race, you have to tell me 16 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:47.320 what that job is like. 17 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:52.039 I mean, it's great. See always something going on. 18 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:53.719 That's it. 19 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.520 You got nothing else, You got no juice, you got nothing, 20 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:58.039 no crazy stories. 21 00:00:58.240 --> 00:00:59.079 I mean you know. 22 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:01.560 I mean this which I have of City Hall is 23 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:05.560 just all of these Bostonian characters walking around making back 24 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:08.959 room deals, chomping on cigars. 25 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:10.200 No, that's not it. 26 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.760 I mean that goes on. I don't think you have 27 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:16.560 enough time on the show to get into it. 28 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:20.000 Oh believe me, I do, trust me, trust me, I've 29 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:20.959 been around long enough. 30 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:21.319 I do. 31 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:25.959 But I find this race fascinating because, like I've said before, 32 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:26.840 I know the crafts. 33 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:28.359 I covered them in sports. I like them. 34 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:30.040 I like the family. I like what they've done for 35 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:32.239 the area. I like Josh Kraft. I like what he's 36 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:35.280 done for the area. I don't know Michelle Wou. She's 37 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.000 obviously very smart. I mean, that's the thing in a 38 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:42.760 day and age when we have a president who is well, look, 39 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:46.000 I mean, either you're with them or against them. There's 40 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:50.959 noe in the middle, but not necessarily known for his 41 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:55.120 education or his decorum. You have two people running for 42 00:01:55.159 --> 00:02:00.760 the office of mayor that have pretty impressive resumes. I mean, 43 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:02.920 have we ever had this, I mean we're talking about 44 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:07.640 graduate degrees, we're talking about Harvard, We're talking about I mean, nbas. 45 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.360 Have we ever had candidates with this type of that 46 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:11.439 have been disintelligent? 47 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.400 I mean, from what I've seen so far, this is 48 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:22.159 getting off to a fiery start. Both candidates come out 49 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:25.719 and came out firing yesterday. They're unconscious at each other verbally. 50 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:27.280 So it'll be a good race. 51 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:28.599 I think so too. 52 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:33.199 But again, the intellect I mean with these two, I 53 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.479 just generally when I look at Parlato, maybe it's just 54 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.879 my view of politicians where I go, Okay, this person's 55 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:39.719 not very smart. They just like to talk a lot. 56 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:43.039 These are very smart people, And I also don't think 57 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:44.560 there's a big difference between the two. 58 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:51.680 So from what I gathered yesterday with Josh Craft's campaign speech, 59 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:54.199 a lot of what he's proposing are things that he 60 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:57.479 said the mayor who has failed at so I things 61 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:01.360 that he's proposing, like brant control. Those are policies that 62 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:05.080 she's tried to pass get passed in the past and 63 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:09.120 has run into a roadblock with the legislature. So similar 64 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:12.400 seemed to be left leaning Democrats. 65 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:14.919 Well yeah, I mean, here's a guy in Josh who 66 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:20.159 donated money to Michelle Woo's campaign, I mean in the past. 67 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:24.280 So I mean, is there a difference between the two 68 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:29.360 or is it simply that Josh is saying the mayor 69 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.360 hasn't been able to They have the same agenda, but 70 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:34.599 the mayor hasn't been able to accomplish it. 71 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:35.080 And he can. 72 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.240 So I think that's what he focused on in his 73 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:46.240 speech when he was rolling out his agenda. Just a 74 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:48.759 lot of the areas that the mayor has failed to 75 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:52.599 get her policies passed. Yeah, so, I mean, I guess 76 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:57.000 time will tell whether there's major differences, but right now 77 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.840 it seems to be going where she hasn't get things done. 78 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:05.039 Now, one of the things that just said, as opposed 79 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:08.319 to being appointed, he wanted certain board members or select 80 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:11.159 people to be elected as opposed to being appoorted appointed? 81 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:12.000 Can you explain that? 82 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:17.120 Right? So? Right now, the Boston School Committee is an 83 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:21.240 appointed school committee by the mayor, and he is a 84 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:24.279 Josh Kraft is calling for a partially elected school committee. 85 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:26.639 So the mix of appointed and elected members, how. 86 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:27.360 Do you do partially? 87 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:30.199 Can you? And I don't get that, can't you? Isn't 88 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:31.759 it just one of the other? What do you say? Well, 89 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:33.360 there are five seats, and two are going to be 90 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:35.399 elected by the public, three are going to be appointed 91 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:38.279 by the mayor, right so. 92 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:42.480 You would have certain members who are appointed, and then 93 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:44.439 you would have certain members who are up for election. 94 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:47.279 Right now, that's what he's proposing. 95 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:51.240 I don't get the point of that. To me, you 96 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:53.399 would do one or the other. And here's the other thing. 97 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:55.439 I don't know. 98 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.120 Maybe in Boston it would be different. But electing for 99 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:00.000 school committee? Do people leave it? 100 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:00.199 No? 101 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:02.839 Do people even follow it? Would people even know who 102 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:03.720 they're voting for? 103 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.480 I mean that's the argument is that there you would 104 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:13.040 foster more engagement if you have school commnies up for election. 105 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.759 I mean, I would think that there's more engagement from 106 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:21.959 parents and on that level. But as far as the 107 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:26.720 larger community, I guess that would that would be seen 108 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.360 with a voter turnout with an election of it if 109 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:32.519 it turns out to be he's proposing a de selectioned mayor. 110 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:34.639 Do you think the fact that Josh is a billionaire, 111 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.839 I mean, it's his dad, it's the team. I mean, 112 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:39.879 we know Josh had worked at the Boys and Girls Club. 113 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:44.439 He is his mother's son, Missus Craft, who was very philanthropic. 114 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:47.639 Does that hurt him? 115 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:48.199 So? 116 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:50.920 He says that it won't. He says that he is 117 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:54.480 someone who's very involved with community with the Boys and 118 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:59.279 Girls Club. He's also board chair of the organization That's 119 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:01.720 Space in Rocks Barry that does community based work. And 120 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.879 he also played up his position with the New Midland 121 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:08.639 Patriots Foundation, which is his family's philanthropic arm. He also 122 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:11.000 had a line in his campaign launch that he likes 123 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:13.079 to say that he wasn't born on third base, that 124 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.480 he was born at home with his privileges. Well he 125 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:21.839 was yeah, money and his family yeah yeah. So I 126 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:26.879 think he's trying to try to take the focus away 127 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.120 from his family's wealth, and he's saying that he's somebody 128 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:32.000 who's been involved with the community, although he does have 129 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:34.800 the privilege of being born into, you know, family where 130 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:35.920 his father's billionaire. 131 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:38.279 Look, I've had coffee with the guy. I've talked to 132 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:41.560 people who know him to me, and I don't have 133 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:43.519 a horse in the face. I don't live in Boston. 134 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:45.680 I'm not going to vote. Michelle Woo was obviously a 135 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:49.040 very smart woman and a very accomplished woman. I mean 136 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:52.360 she is you can't look look, and but I don't. 137 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:54.399 I also think it's tough to get things done when. 138 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:55.439 The mayor of Boston. 139 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:57.879 I think it's tough to deliver on all your promises 140 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:00.360 once you get into the political office. 141 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:02.519 But this I can tell you. 142 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:05.120 You know, to me, if I'm running Josh's campaign, the 143 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:08.160 fact that he worked at the Boys and Girls Club 144 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.279 and just brought it to a whole new level, and 145 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:15.360 from what I've heard, when he's in meetings, brings so 146 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:19.720 much to so much to the table with his ideology, 147 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:23.360 in his in his strategies. I mean, this guy could 148 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.199 have been playing polo in West Palm, you know, I 149 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.199 mean he doesn't. He doesn't have to be, you know, 150 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:30.759 working in soup kitchens and going around, you know, to 151 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.920 the homeless shelters and going into East Boston and building 152 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:38.720 up the Boys and Girls club and working in an 153 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:41.120 office with four or five other people. You know, he 154 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.519 doesn't have to do that. To me, that's a plus, 155 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:46.360 don't you think? 156 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:52.160 Well, I mean that's the way his campaign is is 157 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:56.800 is framing his his background is that he could have 158 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.879 joined if you watched his campaign video that came out 159 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:04.360 day before he made his campaign speech, that Josh Kraft 160 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:09.240 could have joined his family's business and instead of taking 161 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:12.959 the community based route. So they are they are making 162 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:13.800 that pitch for him. 163 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.759 Yeah, I mean, but again, does that mean he'd be 164 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:18.879 a better mayor than than Maywoul? 165 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:22.399 I don't know, you know, I I I who knows? 166 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:23.319 So let's talk. 167 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:27.040 So if so, what are the pros of Josh Kraft 168 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:31.959 in your opinion? And then we'll get to Maylwu. 169 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:35.879 I mean, I would just repeat. What has came in 170 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:38.440 is saying so far is that he's saying that he's 171 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.360 someone who can get things done where the mayor hasn't. 172 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:45.960 He's saying that she is zero for three on her 173 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:51.039 three of her major campaign promises, and that he would 174 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:55.679 succeed where she failed with rent control, and that he's 175 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:58.200 someone who's more connected to the community, and that he's 176 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.080 more willing to listen to people. And he's framed the 177 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.759 mayor as someone who's a leader who doesn't listen. So 178 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.240 I think that's I think those are the positives that 179 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.639 his campaign is pitching. But I mean, I would have 180 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:15.840 to keep following through his campaign. I don't really want 181 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:19.960 to say what you know, I don't really have a 182 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.559 thought on what I think his major positives are. Just 183 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:24.320 what he's saying. 184 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.080 Correct, that's what he's saying. I understand you want to 185 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:26.720 remain objective. 186 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:29.679 I mean rent control and bosh, that's a tough I mean, 187 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:31.639 people want to move into the city and pay two 188 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:34.399 million dollars for like a thousand square feet in the 189 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:37.200 right area. I mean, rank control is a hard thing 190 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.960 to pass in the city with real estate being so high. 191 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:44.759 Correct, right, I mean it's it's something that has encountered 192 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:49.440 resistance from landlords who say that, you know, they're hit 193 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:54.480 with inflation and that this would further hurt them financially. 194 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:59.720 So it's something that the mayor has proposed and that 195 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.039 he's run into roadblocks in the legislature. Is what her 196 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:06.960 argument is, and she've repeated that today on one of 197 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.240 her podcast appearances, is that it's easier for her opponents 198 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:14.360 to make promises, but you know, there's a process that 199 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:15.240 you have to go through. 200 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.200 Okay, Gail Collier is our guest Boston here, Garrett, can 201 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.240 you stick around for one more segment now, I want 202 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:23.600 to talk about Mayri Wu in her campaign. Sure, Okay, 203 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:24.399 Gail joins us. 204 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:24.600 Next. 205 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:26.720 We just talked about I think it's going to be 206 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.279 fascinating because they're already very. 207 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.120 Smart people people. 208 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:33.559 I think that when it comes to their ideology is 209 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.960 pretty much the same. Just one is saying that he 210 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:40.600 can do it better than her, and they're not afraid 211 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:44.320 to go after each other, which should be interesting. We 212 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:48.399 will continue the conversation next on WBC's Nightside. 213 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:51.919 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 214 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:56.759 night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 215 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:59.080 Ed Welcome, back Gary Tangway for Dan roy tonight, and 216 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:01.120 Gael Collier is joined us cover City Hall for the 217 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:04.519 Boston Herald and maybe somedays she'll write a tell all book. 218 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.600 Oh if the walls of Boston City Hall could talk. 219 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:13.200 Josh Kraft running for mayor against Michelle Wou will join 220 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:17.840 Dan Ray on Nightside coming up Tomorrow night, Thursday, February 221 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:18.840 February sixth. 222 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.159 Yes, we know that Gary tomorrow night right here on WBZ. 223 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:25.000 That's at nine o'clock, so you can't miss it, and 224 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:28.360 you can also check it out on the iHeartRadio app. 225 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:31.919 Download it and if you can't listen to it live 226 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.919 at nine, just go to the iHeart app and you'll 227 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:36.399 be able to click it on. 228 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:39.360 And listen to it at your convenience. So that should 229 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:39.919 be very good. 230 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:45.879 All right, let's talk about Meriwoo. So what has she 231 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:49.279 done well? What will they focus on as opposed to 232 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.519 obviously what the Craft campaign is. 233 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:53.279 Going to focus on is what she hasn't done well? 234 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:55.559 What will her her spiel be? 235 00:11:58.080 --> 00:11:58.440 Well? 236 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:02.279 I think she would folks on, which is interesting because 237 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:06.480 this is where Josh Craft is seeing her as being vulnerable. 238 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:09.399 But I think she would focus on the strides that 239 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:12.399 she's made or that she says she's made with affordable housing, 240 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:20.480 building more housing, which is what he's saying, that she 241 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:26.440 has developed roadblocks to development. Yeah, so you have that 242 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:30.799 back and forth. I I mean, I would think that 243 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:39.039 she would focus on just what she's done with helping 244 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:42.320 reduce congestion in the city. She's focused on bike lines 245 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:45.519 and other area that he sees her as vulnerable, and 246 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:54.879 just efforts to make Boston more environmentally friendly with her 247 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.240 climate initiatives. So I would I would think that she 248 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:00.000 would focus on some of those things. 249 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:05.960 I have no problem with bike lanes. I have problems 250 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:07.559 with bikers. 251 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:09.320 It happened to me the other day. 252 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:11.960 I'm getting a living off topic, and if I have 253 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.120 a chance to talk to Joshua meyerwill I will tell 254 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:16.840 her this. It's okay to use a bike lane, but 255 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:18.600 when a cyclist are you a cyclist? 256 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:24.840 By the way, I'm a virtual cyclist. They have an exercise, Okay. 257 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:26.720 So I understand, you sit there and you look at 258 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:28.799 the pretty screen, and you go through the mountains and 259 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:30.840 you know you're gonna be in you know, yeah, yeah, 260 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:33.919 you're hand in Hawaii one minute. British Columbia the next 261 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:38.519 I got you. So, but I'm driving down the road 262 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:40.679 the other day and I'm stopped. So I have a 263 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.879 cyclist that weaves in and out of the traffic and 264 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:45.840 then goes through a red light. 265 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.000 That's illegal. You can't do it. Which is it? You 266 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:52.200 have your own lane? Are you gonna be a car 267 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:53.320 or not be a car? 268 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.600 One or the other. It pisses me off. You have 269 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.480 the bike lane? Have the bike lanes worked, because to me, 270 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:02.480 I don't know if they have. I see a lot 271 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.840 of congestion. I see a lot of available auto real 272 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:08.600 estate that goes to a bike lane that I can 273 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:10.639 look at for a half hour and I never see 274 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:11.120 it used. 275 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:17.159 So I mean, there's certainly something that has caused a 276 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:22.039 lot of debate among cyclists and non cyclists. So if 277 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:25.480 you're a cyclist, you love them. But if you're someone 278 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:29.039 who drives or is trying to get around in a 279 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:30.639 different way, you probably don't love them best. 280 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:33.519 But the problem is Gale is we can't keep everybody happy. 281 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:36.600 I mean, you know, okay, next thing, you know, we're 282 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:38.799 gonna have a lane for skateboarders. Okay, let's have a 283 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.159 lane for skateboarders. Let's do that do we want to 284 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:43.639 do that, then we'll have a We already have sidewalks, 285 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:44.799 have a lane for skateboards. 286 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:46.159 The reality is is that. 287 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:50.279 A bike is a vehicle, and uh, you should just 288 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:52.320 follow the ruts in the road, rules of the road 289 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:55.240 like you do an automobile. That's what they do. They 290 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:57.919 follow the rules of the road of the automobile and 291 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:00.360 as if they're a pedestrian and galic pisses me off. 292 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:03.519 I'm sorry I got off topic. So now getting back 293 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.080 to the topic at hand, the mayor's race. With what 294 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.720 Josh is saying, and with the intellect, with the financial 295 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.279 backing that Josh Kraft has, he's still considered an underdog 296 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.960 by how much considerable underdog? Is he going to be 297 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:21.720 able to make it close? 298 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:22.320 What do you think? 299 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:26.480 I mean? I think that's what makes it interesting is 300 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.440 that he's someone who's considered to be a potentially formadal 301 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:35.480 opponent to the mayor. But it is Boston. No incumbent 302 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:40.080 mayor has lost since nineteen forty nine in Boston, and uh, 303 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:43.879 the mayor right now has considerable campaigns on She's over 304 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.159 one point seven million. She is someone who's considered to 305 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:53.159 be popular as a progressive. So I think that, you know, 306 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.879 he certainly has a lot of resources, he has connections 307 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:01.320 to the community through his connection with the Boys and 308 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:06.000 Girls Club, and it'll I think it'll be interesting. I 309 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:08.919 can't say for sure, like what the percentage is that 310 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:12.639 he is an underdog or how he will do, but 311 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.360 I think that he's someone who could preside to challenge 312 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:17.039 and if he didn't think that, I don't think he 313 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:17.759 would be running. 314 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:19.000 Well, here's what I think. 315 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:21.440 This is the way I look at it as again, 316 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.039 as a suburbanite from the outside looking in, I think 317 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:26.600 Joshua about the same age. 318 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:27.000 I think. 319 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:28.759 I also feel as if if he's going to run, 320 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:30.159 he's going to do it now, at this point in 321 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.240 time of his life, right, So I think that's the 322 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:36.720 driving force. Maybe Dan, I'm sure we'll ask him about that. 323 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:39.000 Why are you running now tomorrow night at nine right 324 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:42.639 here on WBC. I'm sure they'll do that then, So 325 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.519 you have I think that's what's driving the timing. I 326 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.240 don't think people are necessarily pissed off at Michelle wou 327 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:51.200 that's the issue. I mean they are. I mean, she's 328 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:53.240 very likable. When I see her on the news, I 329 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.639 go I like her. I would like to be your friend. 330 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:56.240 She seems to. 331 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:58.759 And let's face you, when it comes down to electability, 332 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.279 it comes down a likable you know. I mean people 333 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:04.240 say they vote on the issues. They don't vote on 334 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:05.240 the issues. 335 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:05.640 They vote on. 336 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:09.160 I like that person better. That's really good. That's how 337 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.200 people get elected. Right now, the country, the country likes 338 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.440 Trump better everything he says, he lies all the time. 339 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.200 It doesn't matter. People just like him better for whatever reason. 340 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.519 For some reason, he brings comfort to the country, and 341 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:22.680 that's why they elected him. 342 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:24.240 It's not going to be an issue thing. 343 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:28.920 So I think the challenge that Josh has is it's 344 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.720 not like people are like trying to ouse Michelle wou. 345 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:34.960 Right. 346 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:38.240 I mean, I yeah, it's definitely how you see it. 347 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.279 If you're a supporter, don't. I don't think you see 348 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:43.680 it that way. I would think I think that Josh 349 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:49.400 Kraft is running a campaign based on vulnerabilities that he 350 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:52.759 sees there. But I think certainly, you know, I was 351 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:55.000 at an event that the mayor was out the other day, 352 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.319 and she was very well received in a senior center 353 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:02.319 in Dorchester that was located near where Craft made his 354 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:05.720 campaign's future earlier. The day. So she's she's definitely well 355 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:10.039 received in the community spaces from more than at her events. 356 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:11.759 I'm going to put you on the spot. I don't 357 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:14.160 know if you know this, but when it comes to 358 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:20.200 municipal races in Boston, what does the voter turnout like? 359 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:25.799 It's it was low in the last race. 360 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.240 Yeah, that's the thing. People are so damn apathetic. Yeah, 361 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.279 I mean, maybe maybe this will fire them up because 362 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:38.160 obviously they're tossing I don't want to say tossing bombs 363 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:40.839 at each other, but I mean Michelle Mayor wu came out, man, 364 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:43.799 she did not hold back on Josh. She came out, 365 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.519 and there it's I would say it's a highly intellectual 366 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:51.440 boxing match. It's a highly intellectual verbal boxing matches. What 367 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:52.400 we have between those two. 368 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:53.599 Is there going to be a debate? 369 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:58.920 There hasn't been one scheduled yet, but I would I 370 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:01.799 would think there was at least one debate in the least. 371 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:03.319 I mean, I'm telling you, if I'm any of the 372 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:07.039 local television stations, I want that debate because I mean, 373 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:08.880 what do you think that would be a pretty cool debate? 374 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:13.319 I mean, those what's that I'm sorry? 375 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:13.519 What? 376 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:14.200 Oh? 377 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:14.519 Yeah? 378 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:16.400 And I think what you're getting at is, judging from 379 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:20.960 the follies, stay throughout each other yesterday, probably be very 380 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:21.440 good debate. 381 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.759 It'd be fantastic because it would also be smart. 382 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.000 You know, it would be it would be funny, it 383 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.720 would be there would be some sarcasm, but they're also 384 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:34.519 two smart people. I mean, it's just not like we've 385 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:38.319 seen in the presidential race tossing insults and making making 386 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.559 I almost swore there, but almost making stuff up. You know, 387 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:44.200 it would be a good debate. Well, listen, I really 388 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.079 appreciate you coming on, Gail. Good luck at the Harrows 389 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.960 they had my friends over there. Good luck covering city Hall. 390 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:52.279 And maybe someday you'll write a tell all book on 391 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.160 what goes on behind the doors of city Hall and 392 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:55.400 we'll have you on to talk about it. 393 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:58.079 Okay, great, Thanks for having Gail. 394 00:19:58.160 --> 00:19:58.519 Take care. 395 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:00.799 Gail Collins joining us here for the Austin Harold talking 396 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.519 about the mayor race between Josh Craft and Mayor Michelle 397 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.359 wou And she hasn't officially announced it, but I think 398 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.680 she's got it right by the way she's been digging 399 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:17.359 at Josh. I. You know, Boston politics is always fun 400 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:19.240 when you take a look at the mayor's and the 401 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:23.359