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Speaker 4: I like this man, you letting butterfly flapping his wing

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Speaker 1: Call a story and you get like that.

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Speaker 6: Man All right, Felix, welcome to the show. How you

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doing man?

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Speaker 3: Doing good? Mister Verdon, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 6: I'm doing really well. You and I have talked a

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decent amount, but I guess this is the first time

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we've ever done anything recorded together, even in my group

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chat for a long time, and just a little bit

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of background. This is gonna be different than normal episodes.

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I'll probably do a couple of these. I've got some

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other guests coming on, but instead of doing you know,

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like something topical or like a contained one shot or

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like a longer series of one guest, I want to

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kind of expand you know, doing more media analysis. Right,

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politics is really depressing and boring sometimes, and so I

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want to talk about berzerk Uh. Those who aren't aware

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this is a manga write Japanese comic book, I'm not

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really the core demo for that. I think this is

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the only one I've read all the way through, and

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it's really interesting, really unique. So Felix, if you want,

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I'll just kick it over to you for some kind

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of you know, broad context.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I am more geared towards that demographic. I've

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been introduced to all sorts of anime and manga. However,

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I'm very stingy on which mangas i'll actually go out

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and buy, because typically there'll be a release schedule where

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you'll have like a fan translation up and ready to go.

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But the one that I have committed to to getting

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all of them is Berserk, and I actually went out

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of my way to get all the real Big Boy

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large print special Dark Horse ones, so I've got all

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fourteen of them. Thirteen and fourteen are currently rapped because

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to read Berserk. It is not a family friendly manga

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by any stretch of the imagination. But for a little

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bit of a breakdown on it, Berserk was speaking of

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Speaker 6: No worries, So just a little bit of background. As

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culture that I consider to sort of transcend the genre.

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you know, dark fantasy, highly influential on things like you know,

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of Western history and Western art. There's a huge influence

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from Bosch and Escher. The art is genuinely fantastic. It's

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of like you know Watchmen for you know, Western comics

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them now, it is above and beyond that genre. It

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is sort of something in its own right. As Felix

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was about to say, it's very, very long running. It's

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been published in I think the same magazine, Sense eighty nine.

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only had you know, a group of students, right, people

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for his untimely death. So it is still continuing on.

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you know, only you know the original creator's vision is

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what matters, versus people who you know are enjoying the

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new stuff. I will say, actually, I think the new

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stuff is quite good. Got quite a lot of ground

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to cover before we get there, uh.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and sixty chapters later.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. So for those interested, I'll put a link down

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in the description where you can read it all for

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free digitally. In addition to having very good art, The

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reason I think This is really interesting to me. And

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this is you know, one of many themes we'll talk

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about is that Berserk is sort of a tale of

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a virtuous pagan right, a man who is damned. We'll

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get into details of that later, and yet nonetheless fights

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against impossible odds. As you mentioned, Felix, the content is

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quite extreme. Literally, anything you can imagine is in there.

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clearly bad and unpleasant. Also, the character main character Guts

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is based off of an actual German mercenary kind of Also.

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quink ink where I think one of the interviews said

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that Myra didn't know who it was, but it's it

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lines up so well. You're like, how how could he

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not like he lost his arm, and it's like whether

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or not it's like maybe some some blood memory transferred

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across people to be like, oh, this is exactly what

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that was a you know, a fifteenth century German Mercenary,

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who much like Guts in our novel, had a metal hand.

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on that German Mercenary highly recommend it. So yeah, as

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discourse right, step over it. It is dark fantasy. Additionally,

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as we mentioned before, the art is very very good,

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very influential, and you can look at it and not

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only see how the art evolves over time, right, it

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time it was just one guy. It's incredibly impressive. It's

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of it in like gym culture for fairly obvious reasons.

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mixed results as far as adapting it. You know, there

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have been some games. There was a nineties anime that

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became very popular in like AMVs, so you've probably seen

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some SoundCloud wrap set to a fight scene from that.

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it doesn't tell the whole story, but I like it.

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the original material. There's some video games that I certainly

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remember renting from Blockbuster and really have nothing other to say.

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experience there. And then there's a really weird looking three

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D animated version that came out on Netflix in like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the twenty sixteen anime is a adaptation moving forward

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from the Golden Age, and as we're talking about troubles

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with adaptations, it picks up where the Lost Children arc

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would have ended without showing anything in there. They kind

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of glossed over the trail of destruction that would have

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to two Guts, and then it just follows conviction all

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the way to about the key point at the end

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there is that you finally get the armor, you finally

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meet sure K, and you have this big distinction between it.

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And it's a shame because some of the production notes

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in that thing looked really good them. From what I

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understand and remember is the idea was they wanted to

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do three D overhand drawn, which would have given this

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really otherworldly kind of look to it. And the hand

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drawn stuff was gorgeous, it looked great. It's a fantastic

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adaptation of what Mirror's work is. But the three D

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was not it. It was one of those things where it's clunky,

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it's awkward, it doesn't it just kind of failed in

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a lot of people's eyes for like, what is it doing?

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the sound design, because it was just kind of a

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botched adaptation. It had very high hopes and just crumbled immediately.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. So the reason that we're referring to different arcs

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for those who aren't familiar, is these are kind of

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long running plot lines, right. They're they're sort of a

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you know, half dozen of them, and each one of

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them spans, you know, in some cases, you know, years

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and years of production, and they're broadly speaking, you know,

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there is an overarching story, but each one is more

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self contained. So if you're looking for a place to start,

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we're going to be covering what's called the Black Swordsman arc,

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which is pretty short, self contained and is an introduction, right,

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it takes place in media race, you know, after the

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characters already established. You can correct me on this, Felix,

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but this was originally, at least in some part, the pilot, right, what.

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Speaker 3: He picked effectively, So there was there is a material

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called Berserk, the prototype that came before it. There's a

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lot of things where effectively the design is very similar.

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The famous brand of sacrifice isn't on his neck, it's

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on his chest, and it's huge, and he still had

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in a hand, he has an eye patch, it's not

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just a dead socket. And he's fighting a vampires to

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go because his mom got killed. Pretty basic, you know,

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shown in kind of material. Still very dark, gritty.

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written material, the Black Swordsman arc is normally it's organized

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in the first where you find it online, like the

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first couple of volumes, relatively short, relatively uh. It is

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still very good, but it is more more underdeveloped, right,

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you're getting still it's an introduction, right. One of your

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notes I thought was funny that it's quite accurate. Is

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you know, Guts in this version is a pizza cutter, right,

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all edges and no point that.

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chapters he's it's all it's all edge, and you can

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see it that that was taken from the prototype pretty hard,

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where you're like, I'm just gonna be this guy who's

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might makes right and I hate everything and everything sucks,

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but I'm so cool and it's so obnoxious, Like if

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you took him for more modern audiences. Season one Aaron Yeager,

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who is an insufferable just jackass. He's not the season

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four hobo Aaron that everybody loves to meme that he's

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this epictone will like the first couple chapters, you find

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Guts in a rough, rough place. There's a lot of

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North Star. You have all these kind of adjacent manga

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Speaker 3: Dot I E to borrow the meme term Guts is

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very much as sensitive young man like he's He's one

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of those people where the and in the no I

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have the black Storesman basically builds up to what effectively

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is like two panels, and it's right at the very end,

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and we'll get to it later, but the first little bit,

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you're like, man, this guy is a jackass. He's just

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flaunting he's killing people left, right and center by all

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metrics other than the first panel showing a monster like

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he's a bad guy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think it's important to do. Like the

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it's perhaps best to start if you're looking, if you're interested,

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and I highly recommend it is either starting with the

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anime if you're up for it. It's you know, it's

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relatively quick paced, and it'll give you sort of an

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executive summary of you know, what most people consider to

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be the classic storyline, you know, introduction to our character,

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all that, So that's a good place to start. But

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also Black Swordsman, it is a prototype. It's sort of

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a rougher version of a character you'll need to know

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or you'll get to know later, but it's all there.

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It's relatively short, and it will give you a taste

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broadly speaking of what this universe is. You don't necessarily

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get the same depth we get to later, but nonetheless

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you sort of get brined so let's dig into it.

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And as I've said, i'll have a link for where

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you can read this. It was published serially and is

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much much shorter than much much shorter than later arcs.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 6: You, right off the bat get exposed to shall we say,

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somewhat graphic content. If you've seen the opening to Conan, right,

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this will seem very familiar to you.

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is basically a filter. Is like if you can get

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past the first one where the first panels guts bare

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ass with a chick who turns into a monster, then

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you're like, okay, what was that? I got to go further. Now,

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what's what's happening? Because when you first look at that,

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you're like, oh, is this gonna be a smart book?

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I'm not interested. It immediately filters people with any sort

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of we'll say dainty or sensibilities right away. Now that's

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not true if you start with some of the anime stuff.

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it's regular violence until it's not. But the general thing

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is like, oh, this guy is cool. Look at him.

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He's hunting monsters, he's he'll do anything he wants to do.

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He'll get butt naked with this monster, let her transform, fangs,

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all of it, and then blast her in the face

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with something I know without having panels up. That's you know,

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more provocative than not. But the main point is we'd

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already mentioned he has a cannon arm and you can

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clearly see that his artificial hand has something, and you

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get the notion of just wall and she burns away.

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already hit it hard if you can deal with that.

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You were presented to a regular story at this point

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of the Lone Wander entering a castle.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is where we meet our first kind

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of carry through care. Uh.

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Speaker 3: This is.

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Speaker 6: To say obviously that the broad strokes of you know,

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low or high fantasy, it doesn't really apply. It is

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sort of a low fantasy world being dragged into sort

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of apocalyptic scenario. Obviously we'll get to Yeah here.

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Speaker 3: Sword and sorceries might be be a closer term for it,

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because you could you can imagine most of it with Conan,

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where you have lots of swords, you have lots of guts,

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you have some sort of magic, but it's very hard

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to get a hold of it's it's secreted to a

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very few amount of people. You still have the weird

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transformations like Tulsa Doom just sitting there turning into a snake,

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very analogous to what's happening, but it's not it's not

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high magic. You're not getting people playing carpets.

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Speaker 6: And do not expect to have things broken down and

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explain to you, which I actually kind of like, you know,

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a lot of it is sort of think fast. You know,

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things are developing and you'll be able to sort of

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constitute like, okay, what are broadly speaking the rules. But

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it opens with, you know, after that kind of initial

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panel or an initial couple with a much more typical opening, right,

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it's kind of your your prototypical fantasy tavern. You know,

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we see Guts with his hood, you know, drawn over,

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and you know a bunch of Ruffians, a bunch of

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tots are kind of torturing this little fairy who is

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a character who will be present the rest of it.

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Puck the Elf. I assume the name makes more sense

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in Japanese. It's a little bit odd, but you're gonna

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have to roll with it effectively being tormented, so it

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sets you up for what you expect to be. You know,

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our hero, you know, stepping in, you know, unhanded him,

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and well we kind of get that, but not at

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all in the way you think it. Guts basically just shoots.

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Speaker 3: And has murdering apart four people.

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Speaker 6: In incredible detail.

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Speaker 3: I might add one of a bolt through the guy's skull,

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and you're like, oh, okay, he doesn't even say hi,

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he doesn't say stop torturing him, he doesn't say unhand him.

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It's not heroic, and you're mad. It's just intervention just right.

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Speaker 6: The the violence is lovingly rendered, I think would be

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a good way to put it. Obviously, guts this sort

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of iconic for this giant sword, which you know sort

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of became a trope in manga and anime generally speaking. Right, Uh,

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obviously you see it in Final Fantasy with characters like Cloud,

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who has basically the same sword.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 6: Obviously features in the Dark Souls games, as well as

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any under other any number of different names. But he,

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you know, cuts these men apart, and then basically walks

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out the door. Uh this, you know, little faeryous little

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elf is still tied up. He doesn't even bother to

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do that. He just walks straight out the door. And

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this is where we get some of that edge, some

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of that snark, like he basically is just kind of

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making fun of uh, you know, this little elf and

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then uh, the mayor of this town throws him in jail. Right.

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We we hear a little bit of of this this.

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You know, he's tied up, you know, being tortured, are

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about to be tortured in this prison and the mayor

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comes in. It's like, oh my, did you have any

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idea what you've done?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 6: Those were they were what do they call the villain

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in this one again? I can't remember, Oh the snake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So the first main like Apostle of the Snake baron,

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you have the guy show up. Mind you, we kind

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of jumped over the part where Guts is bisecting these dudes.

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It's not like they're not clean kills. Like the first thing,

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first time he swings the sword, he just bisects somebody.

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And then you get the bit there's a lot of

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these uh favorite lines where you're like, oh, it's massive, thick, heavy,

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far too rough and details like a raw heap of iron.

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A lot of people like to hype it, but in general,

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like this is very, very messy. It is not a

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clean kill. He made a big showing and now isn't

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he with the fuzz?

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Speaker 6: So he gets, you know, dragged to prison. There's a

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lot of torture in this, uh, both to and from Guts. Uh.

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This is not a particularly pleasant or optimistic setting.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 6: You know, Guts, even when he is in his more

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heroic moments, is not a good person. To put it mildly,

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so anyway, he's being tortured. The local mayor is basically

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saying like, oh my gosh, like what have you done?

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You know, don't don't you understand? You know you you've

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endangered our relationship with the baron and.

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Speaker 3: Protection circuit vibes of this.

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Speaker 6: Rut said is like yeah, exactly, like, oh, you've messed

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up my relationship with you know, with the baron, and

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Guts basically spits in his face and says, well, I

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know what you're doing. You're a coward. You're giving him

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women and children and as of yet we don't know why.

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The mayor gets furious. He says, is you know, I'm

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gonna have to go apologize, torture him, but don't kill him.

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So Guts is, you know, tortured by this kind of

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weird gimp looking dude. Uh that will continue. By the way,

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there's uh both sexual over and undertones. Uh. Actually, now

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that I say, there really are no undertones there.

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Speaker 3: There's no there's a there's a couple that you're introduced

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to because earlier he's like, don't touch me, which is

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actually like a very like you know, key phrase for

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a lot of different situations and traumas.

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Speaker 6: Oh, believe me. We will get that in detail later.

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Speaker 3: Uh. So the point is the.

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Speaker 6: The action shifts, right, Guts is being tortured to Uh,

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the mayor going to this snake Baron's sort of creepy castle.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 6: He walks in. There's guards at the gate, and this baron,

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in human for the time being, is sitting on a

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you're sitting on a throne, eating a feast. They talk

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back and forth. We see this kind of ominous snake

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headed armor behind him, seemingly the origin of the name,

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and they have this conversation. He says you know, you

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bring him to me basically the black Swordsman. You know,

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this this figure of terror which is Guts, and you

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know in this he basically says like, I'm you know,

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he threatens to kill him. The Mayor's like, oh please,

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you know, we'll give you double the tribute in both

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gold and flesh, and the guy says, I don't care.

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You know, I don't I don't want your tribute. I

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want to see humanity perish in flames. Uh, and very

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like in this very sort of iconic frame, he spits

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a human ear at him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's he mentions it off handle earlier Guts.

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You think he's embellishingly, Oh he's a monster eats human flesh. Well,

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now it's true. And so you can find that he's

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not just debauchery where you you know, you'd think he's, oh,

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they're having him deliver women for you know, harm, No,

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he's eating them. Like this is very clearly he's engaging

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in a lot of cannibalistic behavior. And the other thing

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that's in there now is the snake Baron gives that

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idea of like, oh, I don't care, I just want

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him managed to burn pages earlier you get the idea

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that Guts has very much a miight makes right outlook

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on life, where if you're not strong enough to stop

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yourself from being squished, as he's complaining to Puck, he goes,

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if you touch me on to squish you and if

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you can't deal with it, too bad. And with that

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in mind, like the whole thing's like, oh, he's gonna

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have this huge confrontation, and out of left field comes

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what you think is a nightmare from Guts where he

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gets this apparition of there's literally no other way to

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put it, even if it's you know, foreshattering a monstrous,

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demonic fetus just there and it's like, what is going on?

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Where the hell did this come from? It wasn't foreshadowed.

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It's just suddenly in the room with Guts as he's

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laying on the floor, just bleeding out from all the torture,

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and it's very clear that he's seen it before. You know,

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he's like, oh, why are you still here? Get away

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from me? Why are you again? Go away?

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Speaker 11: On the many Days of Christmas, the Guinness Storehouse brings

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to thee a visit filled with festivity experience the story

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Speaker 9: You didn't deserve what happened, and it doesn't have to

477
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define you. You don't have to carry it alone. I

478
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know a safe place where you can tell your story

479
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and you'll be believed, called the Dublin Rape Crisis Center

480
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National Helpline on one eight hundred seven seven eight eight

481
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eight eight. Whenever you're ready to talk, they'll be ready

482
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to listen.

483
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Speaker 3: He's panicking, and then Puck shows up, and this might

484
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:36,960
be the one thing where it feels I kind of

485
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,200
want to say contrived a little bit, because it is

486
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,519
in this moment that we find out that Puck is

487
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:47,240
a hillbot. The elves, instead of being tinkerbill powder making

488
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:53,960
you fly, they can restore wounds and limit your fatigue

489
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,720
by no means is it fully capable, because it's not

490
00:27:57,839 --> 00:27:59,839
something we're in other fiction to be like, oh, look

491
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,640
doesn't have all the scars anymore. No, they're still there.

492
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,480
Like Guts's body is not getting repaired one hundred percent.

493
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:09,000
He might be getting a ninety percent fixed off of

494
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:14,759
everyone of Puck's things, but if you take ninety percent,

495
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,720
you're losing a lot of stuff down the line, just

496
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:21,279
based off of rate of return, if you're always losing

497
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:23,960
ten percent of your top self at any point time.

498
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,880
So you're like, oh right, cool, this is a way

499
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,720
that we can survive the Shenanigans where it makes sense

500
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,000
he's an elf. Elves have a variety of different traditional interpretations,

501
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,319
either in being like gift exchange things in like Europe, tricksters, pixies,

502
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:46,279
what have you. But it offers you with the ability

503
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:48,480
to be like, okay, well, if he just gets his

504
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:50,480
assna to him all the time, how does he recover

505
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:54,119
from those? And he so right now, Puck feels kind

506
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,279
of a plot device where he ends up later like

507
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:01,400
he's relied on in the early chapters, but he's like

508
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,599
nowhere to be found in a couple other ones, cause

509
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,000
like the latest couple of chapters, Guts can't he can

510
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:11,319
barely see. His eyesight's going out out a whack. These

511
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:13,960
are not recoverable situations.

512
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Speaker 6: Right, and he is sort of I think the term

513
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,440
is landerized in certain parts of this, where he just

514
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:28,720
becomes like the character. Uh there are i would say,

515
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,640
ebbs and flows to this character, and as you said,

516
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,240
in large portions he's just absent. We will well, it

517
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:36,559
is fairly sparse, just the two of them in this

518
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:39,680
initial art. We will meet many more characters who become

519
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:43,079
more relevant as you know, the narrative builds out. But

520
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:45,839
in this sort of you know, prototype version, this very

521
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,440
like trimmed down version. It's pretty much just them and

522
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,200
kind of you know, the monster of the week. It's

523
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,519
not quite that bad and in fact alive. But especially

524
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for the first two, they're very much contained, right. You

525
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:02,079
can sort of read either one of them and get

526
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,519
pretty much at what you need to from them. Obviously.

527
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The third and final part of this is actually quite interesting.

528
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We get a lot of clarification and sort of teases

529
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for what will come after this. But anyway, Guts is

530
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healed and the snake baron is attacking this village earlier

531
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,200
you know. One of the things that Guts said to

532
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,000
the mayor is like, well, you know, don't you have

533
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:27,559
your own men, Like why can't you, you know, fight

534
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,000
this battle? And seemingly the snake Baron has come to

535
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:34,640
enact his revenge on this town. He's riding in with

536
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,039
his men, just killing all the guards and some civilians

537
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:44,799
as well. Again and someone who you again, I can't

538
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,440
say this enough. This is not for the faint of heart.

539
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,839
And there is a moment where you see like a

540
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,640
half of a child on one of these men's spears. Right,

541
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,079
you don't have to be a genius to figure out

542
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:54,599
what happened.

543
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's the snake barons. He does his best

544
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impression of we'll say pre slurpy day. I guess he

545
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:15,440
joined the fruits of his labor all uh impaler.

546
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 6: Yes, uh so rides in, you know, Guts is now free.

547
00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:24,799
He he you know, shoots you know, dozens of his

548
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,400
men and also shoots a number of crossbow bolts into

549
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,200
the snake baron. Right, they have this sort of you

550
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,960
know tussle back and forth, and then he sort of

551
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:37,799
knocks him into this building and all of a sudden,

552
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:42,720
this is where things just go to twelve, which is

553
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,039
you know, quite common that things ramp up really really

554
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,680
quickly in this and we see the snake Baron shed

555
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:54,200
his armor and become a sort of human man hybrid.

556
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,039
Speaker 3: Like heads his armor, he just starts to fill it out. Yeah,

557
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:06,440
he goes in bands really there and if so, here

558
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:07,839
might be a here might this might be a deep

559
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,839
cut for you. Did you ever watch the was it

560
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,839
the nineties Guiver movie?

561
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 6: No?

562
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,039
Speaker 3: So? Guiver is another one of those anime slash manga

563
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:23,200
that's very known for body horror and just gross. But

564
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:26,079
a lot of the stuff where you could see this,

565
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,440
this is what his face is kind of what happens

566
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,319
to Mark Hamill in that movie. It's just gross. His

567
00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:35,359
face becomes.

568
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 6: The inside of the snake smell.

569
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,359
Speaker 3: The bottom palette of the of the snake monster. Now

570
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:45,759
it's like a monster. It's it's closer to This would

571
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:47,640
be perfect for like an Elden Ring or Dark Shorts

572
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:51,680
character where it's an anthem anthropomorphized snake monster. It's a

573
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,799
cobra with arms and legs and a long tail, but

574
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:57,200
his face is the bottom palette where the new tongue

575
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:57,799
comes out of.

576
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,319
Speaker 6: Oh, who's that? Boston Dark Souls three that carries an

577
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,640
invisible baby. Uh, this is gonna sound crazy to someone

578
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,480
who hasn't played that game. That's basically what this looks like.

579
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,359
Mirror's art style is incredibly influential in those games. You'll

580
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,599
hear me referencing and all the time. It's even better

581
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,720
if I remembered it. But they all have completely incomprehensible names, so.

582
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,039
Speaker 3: I don't remember, and it's been ripped from there almost

583
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,559
every time, like Dark Souls as we tanged into it.

584
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:29,039
The most recent one, Elder Ring Blade, is literally I

585
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,480
rip for rip from one of the scenes from later

586
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:36,359
in the chapters. The armor that Guts wears is very similar.

587
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Speaker 6: Cyrus the Consumed King.

588
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: That's who I was saw there is Yeah, so kind

589
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,240
of an annoying.

590
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 6: Boss fight, if I'm gonna be honest.

591
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Speaker 3: I've only done a run of like the single Dark

592
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,400
Souls like once me and my buddy went back on

593
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,319
Elder Ring So that's the one I'm more familiar with,

594
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,079
so I know some of the peaks and valleys, but

595
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,599
i'd have to go back and be like, what are

596
00:33:55,599 --> 00:34:00,920
you doing? Twenty fifteen Felix digging out my knowledge on those.

597
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 6: So uh point is and this is this sort of

598
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,119
iconic fight where we see things that will be echoed

599
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:13,000
throughout the rest of the series. Uh. This, this Apostle,

600
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,360
we learn, and we don't know what that term means,

601
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,920
although we will come to discover it later, is just

602
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,760
beating gush post, just knocking him into walls, you know,

603
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,119
just hammering him over and over and over again. His

604
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,360
Guts tries to wrestle this massive sword around, you know,

605
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,719
they're they're fighting back and forth. And then as sort

606
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,760
of uh you know foreshadowed in the initial just when

607
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,400
you think all is lost and gust is completely pulverized,

608
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,880
sort of flips his arm down and blasts him with

609
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,000
fire and takes out like, you know, three quarters or

610
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:49,760
I guess a quarter of his face and head just

611
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:50,880
blasted backwards.

612
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: It's one of those reoccurring tropes in there where Guts

613
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,599
uses his mouth for something. It doesn't matter what it is,

614
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:01,760
whether it's gripping a sword, blade, string, what ever. Because

615
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,079
the Apostles have a couple of these things that you

616
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,400
start doing, like they love to gloat, they love to

617
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:12,599
hear themselves talk, and they are extremely proud, like there

618
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,920
is an underlying current with any apostle in there, Rosine notwithstanding,

619
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,199
but the rest of them are extremely proud of what

620
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,960
they're capable of in their apostle form, to where this

621
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:33,039
the situation of would be the right one. Underestimating comes

622
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,599
up a lot where they're like, Oh, he's just a dude.

623
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,320
I'm a fucking snake monster. I just crushed three ribs.

624
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,159
I flay his skin off his bones. Mind you, Puck

625
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:44,480
can't help you in the middle of a fight. So

626
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,880
Guts has to make it from zero to one hundred

627
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,239
in any fight because Puck can't show up. It takes

628
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,960
time for him to heal these things. It's not a

629
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,480
game in that regard. And so the snake Baron finally

630
00:35:55,519 --> 00:36:00,239
gets bodied as a Jay was talking here, and you

631
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,239
finally get to see the sword do its work again

632
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,400
where I just boom. He takes the moment where he's

633
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:09,960
flabbergacid missing a quarter of his face to getting I

634
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,599
don't know cutting third, I guess he basically gets decapitated.

635
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 6: And throughout this kind of gloating, you know, he said

636
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,920
over and over again, like you're just a mere mortal.

637
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:22,880
You know you're you're tough for a mortal kind of

638
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,679
implying for later that somehow these apostles are supernatural, not

639
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,840
a you know, huge leap after he turns into an

640
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,159
anthropmorphic snake monster with a you know, face tongue, which

641
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:35,480
I guess every tongue is a face tongue, but you

642
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:37,119
know what if you look it up, that.

643
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 3: One's really a face tongue.

644
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it is protruding through his face.

645
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:41,639
Speaker 3: Uh.

646
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 6: And you know, his Guts is standing over him basically

647
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,960
like torturing him to death. He says, you know, he

648
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,639
basically proclaims the indomitable human spirit. You know, he says,

649
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:57,079
you know, I'm more about it.

650
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he goes over like it doesn't matter if a broken, beaten, scarred, like,

651
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,519
we're gonna fight till the very very end. And there's

652
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:07,639
a level where these apostles once they once they they

653
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:10,440
have an instinct of like oh I'm dead, I'm gonna

654
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,079
die now, they give up. They just become like these

655
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:19,400
little worms and literal worms later, right, and there's not

656
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:21,719
a lot of leeway where they just give up and

657
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,920
fall over. Meanwhile, Guts earns his name later of the

658
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,400
moniker of the Struggler, where you can see it like

659
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,440
he hit underneath a bunch of corpses to get the

660
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,199
jump on the guy as he's getting his ass handed

661
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,719
to him. He has one last trick to finally do it,

662
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,719
and much later when we get to the end of

663
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,960
the arc, you get to see just how far he's

664
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,400
willing to do it. Little preludes all here in the

665
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,159
Snake Bear. It's just small, little snippets because you never

666
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,840
know when you first make it if anyone's gonna like it, right,

667
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,039
You can't commit to being like it's gonna be a

668
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:59,559
nine hundred chapter epic when you're first starting out as

669
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,480
a mango, So you kind of end up into a

670
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:05,440
bow and say, do people like it? This is a

671
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:09,840
nice stopping point. Can I expand further? Or is this

672
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,159
really gonna grab people's attention?

673
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 6: And this is basically uh, you know, Puck does the

674
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:22,440
does the thing and name drops then or the manga

675
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,679
he says, this is berserk.

676
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:24,599
Speaker 3: Uh.

677
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 6: So the next kind of mini one shot is more

678
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,280
character building. Right, we see guts assumably someone afterwards kind

679
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,079
of walking through the woods. You know Puck is is

680
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:43,000
following him. It seems like basically he's deliberately tried to

681
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,119
abandon Puck and Puck is trying to catch back up.

682
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,119
He and I'll go over this one more quickly because

683
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,320
there's sort of less to this one. Again. The art

684
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,199
is incredible, it's worth it's.

685
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 3: Incredible, but it boils down to one statement that everybody

686
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,440
likes to hash over and over again. But it's world building, right.

687
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:04,599
Speaker 6: And so he encounters this, you know, old man and

688
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:06,760
his daughter in a cart. They basically say like, hey,

689
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,880
you know, can we give you a ride? He rebuffs them,

690
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,519
eventually says yes, they're talking. The old man asks him, oh,

691
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,679
you know, are you a mercenary? He says, you know?

692
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,679
More or less? He says, oh, you know, was it

693
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:22,960
his son or was it his nephew? I can't remember

694
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:23,719
someone in his family.

695
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely just a relative.

696
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 6: Uh. Well, he was a mercenary too, and he died

697
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:33,239
just as some you know, anonymous soldier on the battlefield.

698
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,519
And imagine, you know, how much better his life would

699
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,119
have been if you would have, you know, stayed home.

700
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,679
He could have enjoyed the simple pleasures of life and guts.

701
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,320
You know. Turns to him and says, well.

702
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 10: Oh, Amy, my little one. I ask myself a million

703
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,880
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704
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705
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706
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Speaker 6: He died what he loved doing, Like isn't that better? Again?

712
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:20,119
Some kind of you know, foreshadowing of the character. And

713
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:23,920
then we see this sort of brand right which we've

714
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,519
seen on guts any number of times before. We've seen him,

715
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,400
you know, wipe blood into it. That seems kind of suspicious.

716
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,960
It's been remarked upon.

717
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,599
Speaker 3: You, Yeah, he was. He kind of licked the blood

718
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:35,760
off of it when he was having a snake bar

719
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,320
and show up to town. It's only been alluded to

720
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:42,280
right now, but this is definitely the uh, you know,

721
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,960
what is this? What does this do? It's not exactly

722
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:48,280
it doesn't actually ever give you that till the very

723
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,880
end of the arc, and even then it could be

724
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:57,159
debated like what exactly it does? But You're definitely wanted

725
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,840
to do a lot more on like oh, like he's

726
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,199
he's like physically cursed.

727
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 6: Like this is bad, right, And that's one of the

728
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,800
things that he says is, you know, he sort of

729
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,000
jokingly says, oh, you know, I'm I'm pursued by evil spirits.

730
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,079
And the guy's like, okay, come on, you know you're

731
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,719
trying to be mysterious or whatever. And then, you know,

732
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,599
Guts kind of flirts with this girl a little bit,

733
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,519
nothing serious. It seems like she's interested.

734
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: He's just younger. It's just one of those things where

735
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,480
you realize that it's nothing crazy.

736
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then he falls asleep and he has this

737
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,119
sort of a very disturbing nightmare where he's running through

738
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:39,920
this maze being chased by a giant version of this

739
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,239
sort of demonic fetus monster we've seen earlier. You know,

740
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,119
he's running, he impales his foot, it's basically stuck there.

741
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:50,159
Speaker 3: Unarmed.

742
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, which is another recurring theme. There's there's a lot

743
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:54,960
of nudity in this.

744
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: As well, Like it's it's supposed to be like Pizza

745
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,239
Cutter does still vulnerable. It's not yes, right, it's it's

746
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,519
it's character development in a way that's not spoken.

747
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 6: Yes, and we see that, you know, this thing is

748
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:15,679
chasing after him, and he wakes up in the middle

749
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,840
of it and finds this like horrible little goblin monster thing,

750
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,639
and he you know, throws it off and smashes it

751
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:24,360
and says, oh, this is you know, this is an incubus, right,

752
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,039
it's a demon. I think the exact phrase is produced

753
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:31,880
by the combined blood and sexual fluids of men who

754
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,480
died violently, which is a lovely turn of phrase, but.

755
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,519
Speaker 3: Basically yeah, I mean even on his they don't. I

756
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:42,280
don't think they are here go because I have the

757
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,920
book open right in front of me, right just as

758
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,239
our fun reference think youby were born in the mixed

759
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,280
blood of sexual fluid to those who died with hatred

760
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,559
and malice, which means is somewhere around here there must

761
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:53,880
be some corpses of bandits or the like who died violently.

762
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 6: Yes, And then, as per usual, all hell breaks, These

763
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,760
sort of you know, skeletal warriors are erupped out of

764
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,440
the ground and start attacking these three guys or the

765
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:11,199
party of three. Uh again, I don't know how many

766
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:13,320
times I can say this. The art is superlative here,

767
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,079
it's absolutely beautiful, Like there's this great double panel of

768
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:21,119
you know, guts basically swinging his sword around all of

769
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:24,679
these uh you know, all of these skeletal kind of

770
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,840
you know, soldiers. And for those who are interested in

771
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,079
this the armor in Berserk, some of it's obviously fantasy,

772
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,920
a lot of it is really good and historically derived.

773
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:36,800
You're an artist for the.

774
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,679
Speaker 3: Kind of that whole, Like I think a two hour

775
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,679
breakdown of a video where someone goes over like this

776
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,639
is the arc, this is that armor, this is where

777
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:49,119
it came from, and it is surprisingly in depth. I

778
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:53,880
don't I believe it started off as a blog post

779
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,360
that was linked to Reddit, which eventually I think got

780
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,440
a YouTube video on it which I can't remember off

781
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,800
the top of my head, but it is surprisingly thorough

782
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:05,000
on like, no, this is where this armor piece came from,

783
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,119
and you have that you know, lovingly, as I'll put it,

784
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,679
the Japanese artist love of detail, being able to put

785
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,400
in there where you're like, oh no, this is real,

786
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:22,719
This wasn't what's the joke? Like any sufficient Japanese hobbyists

787
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:23,920
will beat you at your own game.

788
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, And like I said, obviously there's a lot of

789
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,559
fantasy in this, but especially for background characters and goons.

790
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,159
Actually even in the earlier you know sort of I

791
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,400
guess we could say volume. We mentioned arms and armor,

792
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:44,000
very very high quality, and you know, they're they're fighting,

793
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:48,480
and seemingly there's this sort of endless tide and the

794
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:54,079
action breaks and we see, you know, back into this

795
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:57,360
wagon and we see that this girl has become possessed

796
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:01,000
and killed her father, and Gut you know, sees her

797
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:04,000
walking towards him and has this sort of flashback where

798
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,480
he sees her smiling, you know, as they were in

799
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:12,320
the in the wagon ago exactly, and he hesitates, and

800
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,440
just as he hesitates, she stabs him, like right in

801
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,519
the gut. You know, the spell is broken. He decapitates

802
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:24,480
this girl and then continues fighting seemingly all night, and

803
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:27,719
as you know, the sun breaks, the you know, the

804
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,679
spirits dissipate, the bones sort of you know, returned to

805
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,360
being inert. And I don't know if you have it

806
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,480
in front of you, but there's this sort of echoey

807
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,840
voice and obviously it's Britten texts, so you know there's

808
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,400
not a sort of like an audio version of it,

809
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,679
but basically saying like we'll follow you forever and again

810
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,119
through this whole thing, we've seen that brand started to bleed,

811
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,159
first with the Incubus and then again with these spectral soldiers,

812
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:55,440
sort of foreshadowing something that will you know, carry forward?

813
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:57,480
Is there anything I missed? And sort of summarizing and

814
00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:58,239
speaking about.

815
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: That Felix that's coms it up pretty close. The main

816
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,239
point is that the girl gets murdered right off the

817
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,679
bat with the skeletons, like as they are erupt she

818
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:11,559
gets impaled. And so you have this thing where there's

819
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,679
the spirits are capable of both animating a dead body

820
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:19,599
and actually trying to take over life flesh. It doesn't

821
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,840
matter like at that point you're just an instrument. If

822
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,000
you're weak enough, will as eventually it will show later

823
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,480
I believe it's. Yeah. Leader in the arc, Guts almost

824
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,400
gets possessed until he's able to shake him off. There's

825
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,199
a lot too there where you start to realize, Okay,

826
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,920
if they're saying that they can't chase him down, how

827
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,800
long has Guts been doing this? Like if he doesn't

828
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,960
get a single night's sleep for how long? How like

829
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,480
maybe I'd be a pizza cutter like you sit there

830
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:56,519
and go I'm cranky after the kids wake up at

831
00:46:56,559 --> 00:46:59,440
four thirty. I'm not cranky enough to tell people to

832
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,079
go kill them else. But it's one of those things where, Okay,

833
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:06,599
if this is every night, you're now on a night

834
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:10,360
shift where you're constantly having to not die, you may

835
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,079
or may not ever get any sort of respite from it. Yeah,

836
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,480
it's really easy to see where he's getting this mite

837
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:18,559
makes right thing, like if you can't handle your own shit,

838
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:21,480
how am I supposed to handle it for you? I've

839
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:24,719
got too much going on. And so it's one of

840
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,360
those little tidbits where it doesn't really give a lot

841
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,360
in terms of character other than the idea of this

842
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:37,800
man is like just hounded. That'll be a pun later

843
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:44,199
in life. But he is hounded by all these spirits

844
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,280
all the time, and so it's much more about world building.

845
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,960
There's just fucking violence everywhere because they're just in a field,

846
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,920
just a clearing. It's barely a clearing in the forest.

847
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,480
Hundreds of corpses just there, Okay.

848
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 6: And we also see this sort of tension in Guts

849
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,119
as a character between on one hand, this sort of

850
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,400
indomitable fighting spirit will he'll never give up no matter what.

851
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,320
He'll fight all night if he needs to. But also

852
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:17,199
he's incredibly nihilistic and fatalistic, right he says in this like, well,

853
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,199
you know, I guess he says it later, but it's

854
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,639
relevant here. He's like, once you're dead, you're dead. There's

855
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:24,239
nothing after that. It's just done.

856
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:24,599
Speaker 3: Yep.

857
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,519
Speaker 6: And he says, you know, like again speaking about this

858
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:29,880
guy's deceased relative, where he's like, well, what does it matter,

859
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,519
right if you die doing what you you lived, Like

860
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:37,159
that's that's all there is, and that is something that tension.

861
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:40,840
We will we will get background for later. Tune in later,

862
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,119
tune in next time. Uh, but we.

863
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,519
Speaker 3: Will get there. Doesn't really believe it because you saw

864
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:50,639
him hesitate, like it's just you get those small little hints.

865
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:53,320
You're like, Okay, he's not really like a pizza cutter.

866
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,840
There's something more that first chapter what's kind of a

867
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,400
bait and switch, Yes.

868
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 6: And that exact moment of hesitation, right, we will we

869
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:07,199
will see later again. I know it's annoying to constantly

870
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,199
being referencing what happens in other arcs, but this one

871
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:17,320
it's important to mention sort of occurds chronologically after the Yes,

872
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,760
this is the most famous arc. This is again, as

873
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,599
we've said, just sort of in the middle of this narrative.

874
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,599
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a quick tangent here with this where

875
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,880
there are there are arguments to be made that people

876
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,639
say you should just start with the Golden Age versus

877
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,519
used to start with the Black Swordsman, because if you

878
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:42,400
start chronologically when Guts is literally born, you just you

879
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,239
go through everything that he has seen up to that point.

880
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:51,000
The problem with that is, just like say the Usual Suspects,

881
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,519
if you start at the very beginning, you lose the magic,

882
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,400
and part of it is finding out the mystery once

883
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:01,719
once you really, once you go through the Golden Age,

884
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,239
everything makes sense. It has the defining event of the

885
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,920
entire series all wrapped up in a very bloody, gruesome bow,

886
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:18,480
missing eyelids and leather hell razor outfits and everything. But

887
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:22,000
it's it's not the same. So if you're if you're

888
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,440
completely naive to how the story developed, and if you

889
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:31,079
watch that, there's also these gigantic character problems that arise

890
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,039
literally with the first panel because you're like, oh, sensitive,

891
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,400
sensitive young man, Guts wouldn't do such a thing like that,

892
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,599
doesn't make any sense at all, whereas and so with

893
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,000
publication history, you're like, oh, okay, I can see where

894
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,760
they're starting to come up with these ideas, how do

895
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,960
I flesh them out? It's more of a organic kind

896
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,119
of war storytelling, I.

897
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 6: Guess, yeah, And I think that that's a That's why

898
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,119
I believe this is the place to start, both because

899
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:02,679
it's it's contained, you understand relatively quickly if this is

900
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:04,599
something you're gonna like or not without wasting a lot

901
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:09,679
of time, and also for the exactly that reason, even

902
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,800
if narratively it takes place later, it makes less sense

903
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,960
because the characters simply do not act the same way,

904
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,880
you know, as they would if this were like a

905
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:25,440
literal progression. But the next section, which the majority of

906
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,239
this arc, is really fascinating.

907
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,119
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we get introduced to the neat of a

908
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:31,880
lot of stuff.

909
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's good format as far as a podcast, right,

910
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,000
get to the most interesting thing forty seven minutes into

911
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:43,800
a recording. But basically this is where we one learn

912
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,320
a lot more about this universe and also really see

913
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:52,599
the first interesting character and not to say Guts becomes interesting,

914
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:54,880
but we get a really complicated character in this one,

915
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,239
which is a lot of fun, so somewhat similar to

916
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,119
the first part. We they're continuing on their journey, walking

917
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:05,719
into a new town and they walk in on.

918
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 4: And now a look at the forecast. We're seeing lots

919
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,159
of wind, plenty of sunshine to come and a long

920
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,639
term outlook that's bright for Ireland.

921
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:22,320
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922
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923
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935
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,159
Speaker 6: We see this sort of tent up to the side.

936
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,480
There's this burly knight standing next to the executioner called

937
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:15,199
Zon Dark.

938
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:16,039
Speaker 9: Uh.

939
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 6: My best theory for this is that this is this

940
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,519
whole anime is or manga is full of names that

941
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:27,119
sounds like Western names to Japanese people. So it's sort

942
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,719
of like syllables that might be in the English language

943
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,239
put into a blender. The point is this the big

944
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,440
beefy knight, you know, the big hammer standing out front,

945
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,639
and this woman is being accused of heresy. Obviously this

946
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,280
there's a priest there. This is heavily you know, pulling from.

947
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 3: The inquisition, has found a heretic. We've got to put

948
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:47,920
him to death right now.

949
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 6: And this woman, you know, despite protesting her innocence, is decapitated.

950
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,400
Guts is in the front row, and you know, as

951
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,800
as you know, her brother or son, I can't remember

952
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,880
who some you know young boy is basically screaming, uh,

953
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,000
picks up her head and throws it into this tent.

954
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: Right.

955
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 6: There's sort of a brief interaction with this on dark guy,

956
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,760
and we see this kind of like hulking figure, uh,

957
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:23,039
just almost no neck, kind of pretty fat. It's disgusting. Yeah,

958
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:25,719
like really pug shaped character.

959
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 2: Ah.

960
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:33,159
Speaker 6: So point is this character, the count, you know, has

961
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:37,159
a brief interaction with his his henchman, and basically this

962
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,079
guy is on dark, gets into a fight with Guts,

963
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,920
you know, Guts you know, punches him, kind of roughs

964
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,320
him up, and then they just bolt. They're being chased

965
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,880
by these guards. You know that he gets cornered, does

966
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,440
what he normally does, you know, slashes a ton of

967
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:57,519
these guards, really messes up. Like basically the.

968
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,159
Speaker 3: Whole double spread of two people add in the same

969
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,079
swing getting bisected and it's never pop down, right, it's

970
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:07,519
always a half. So there's four pairs of two pairs

971
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:08,800
of legs missing their tops.

972
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you you get to see all of it.

973
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:13,920
It is an anatomy, course, I'll put it that way.

974
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:14,639
Speaker 12: Uh.

975
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 6: And so you know this the the tide is starting

976
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,039
to turn though, you know, more and more people are pulling, pulling,

977
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,039
pouring into this sort of dead end. You know, Guts

978
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,239
and and Pucker are surrounded and then all of a sudden,

979
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,320
this little great pomps out and this creepy little man

980
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:32,599
basically throws a bunch of smoke bombs out. It says, hey,

981
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:36,800
you follow me, So they run into the sewer, they escape,

982
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,000
and this creepy little guy Fergus.

983
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: Well, so look we're gonna let's back up half a

984
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:46,360
second here. So the creepy little man Vargas is a

985
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,039
big deal in there, but let's uh, let's take a

986
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:52,559
half step back here, because it's gonna double back in

987
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:57,000
here where the brand is used as the call out

988
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:00,360
to the count, so clearly someone knows what he doing

989
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:05,000
or what he is. This zon dark guy actually confronts

990
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:07,639
Guts head on, right, He's not just part of the

991
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:11,000
crowd anymore. And this is where you start to realize

992
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:13,880
that the sword. The sword doesn't get its name I

993
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,840
think until Godo names it and the lost children are

994
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,239
I think, like right before conviction. But the sword is

995
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,199
eventually given the name the Dragon Slayer because it's a

996
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,440
sword big enough to slay a dragon and it will

997
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,760
not break, regardless of what kind of hammer is actually given.

998
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,159
There's lots of chips it won't break. But Guts one

999
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:41,519
on one bodies is on dark and oh, let's one

1000
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:45,079
last out of tangent for clarity with this, Guts is

1001
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:50,199
mostly believable when he does these things, because by most estimates,

1002
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,760
he's like six foot seven two and seventy pounds of

1003
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,199
pure muscle. This guy you talked about the gym culture before,

1004
00:56:57,199 --> 00:57:02,280
he's fucking yoked like there is nobody else. Like of

1005
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,920
other manga you might want to get into. His closest

1006
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,519
competitor would be a boky character where they're just ripped.

1007
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:14,480
They're very athletic, they're very strong to silliness levels. But

1008
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:18,199
the fun part with this manga is that sword has weight.

1009
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,719
When you're chopping people in half. It is not a

1010
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,199
it's not a enoughing personal kid slap of a katana.

1011
00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:28,880
It's like, no, this horse now got bisected. This guys

1012
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,679
now bisected. It's stuck into the wall. There's a heaviness

1013
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:37,440
to the violence that's not like a Power Rangers episode.

1014
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,679
And so as he's going through beating the hell out

1015
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:42,400
of his dawn Dark, you can feel it. His face

1016
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,000
is all fucked up. This immensely proud warrior guy gets

1017
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:50,199
bodied by a nobody who's already maimed. You can see

1018
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:52,559
that he has a fake arm and no eye. I

1019
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:58,239
should be able to win this fight gets bodied. Everyone's like, well,

1020
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,719
we all have swords, let's go kick as start losing,

1021
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,599
only to be bailed out by Vargas snooping in because,

1022
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:09,199
as you can tell when the brand was bleeding, something's

1023
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:11,880
gonna happen. We don't know what. We just know it's

1024
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:18,239
gonna be menacing. You're fighting fifty guards plus the champion

1025
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:23,000
plus the count. Like, bro, this is a death wish.

1026
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:27,400
So Vargas saves him. He sneaks in, shoots all the

1027
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,199
things because you guys gotta get you guys got to

1028
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:33,559
follow me right now. And Vargas, other than being a

1029
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,519
very creepy and he's not creepy in terms of his personality,

1030
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:45,960
he's very monomoniacal in his viewpoint. He is what's that

1031
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:52,639
movie with Cher the guy in the face, You know

1032
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:59,119
I'm talking about where I'm blanking. He is horrifically disfigured.

1033
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:08,599
Argus is completely dejected and kind of disgusting, Like half

1034
00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:10,840
of his face is normal, the other half is flayed.

1035
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,639
He's having a very difficult time like walking. He has

1036
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:23,360
a cane. Vargas is totally bored, but he then will

1037
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:34,199
info dump guts on what's happening with the count. Ah,

1038
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:41,960
you're here, muted, buddy, mister Burden, mister Burden, you're muted.

1039
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:45,719
Speaker 6: That joke would have been way funnier if I were

1040
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:51,800
actually uh, if I were actually audible again good yeah,

1041
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,159
and no joke is funnier than when you repeat it.

1042
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:56,760
I was going to say, I was looking desperately through

1043
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,400
Shared's filmography trying to figure out what you were referencing to,

1044
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:01,719
but on fortunately, you're talking to a zoomer who has

1045
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,920
seen two movies, and so that cultural context went over

1046
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:11,320
my head. Although I did work for a guy who

1047
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,920
the car collection I worked for who made his money

1048
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:20,440
providing cards to movie studios and famous actors, and he

1049
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:24,559
said Share quote was a disgusting whore. So take what

1050
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:25,239
you will from that.

1051
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 3: You know what that's actually going to play into this

1052
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:33,239
arc real fast percent is so it works so perfectly.

1053
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:38,519
Speaker 6: So we he is talking to Guts and he basically says,

1054
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:42,480
like you have to seek revenge for me, that this

1055
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,000
man was a monster. He used to be harsh but fair,

1056
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,280
but all of a sudden seven years ago something changed.

1057
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:50,199
Speaker 3: Yeh.

1058
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 6: We learn that this this count was basically fighting heresy,

1059
01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:58,280
you know, this sort of vile cult, and according to Vargas,

1060
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,760
the cult you know, nuck in and killed his wife

1061
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,320
and that's when he changed. He became you know monstrous,

1062
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:08,400
you know, torturing people. We learned from Vargas, who was

1063
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:11,719
his physician, that all of a sudden, you know, he

1064
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,679
was just abducting people and you know, doing horrible things

1065
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:15,599
to them, eating them.

1066
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,119
Speaker 3: And then one day, very vivid detail as giving out

1067
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:24,719
information where Vargas is. One of his legs is consumed.

1068
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,840
So that's where the King comes in. Vargas is very

1069
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,960
much I know, you're a Zumras. Isn't gonna work very well.

1070
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,519
But Sean Wiland of Internet fame will know this. He

1071
01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:39,679
looks like John Hurt from Snow Piercer. He's just missing

1072
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,079
limbs and skin all all over the place.

1073
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:44,719
Speaker 6: That's one of the two movies.

1074
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,599
Speaker 3: I'll take it. I'll take it's one of the It's

1075
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,679
it's very it's yeah, it's it's very disgusting. As the

1076
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,199
Count personally partakes in all this torture.

1077
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 6: We find out that Vargas, uh, you know, he tried

1078
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:04,599
to flee with his his wife and his son. I

1079
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:06,760
believe at least one child, and.

1080
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,679
Speaker 3: I think it's the sons, but it never gives like

1081
01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:10,880
how many, and the.

1082
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 6: Count catches them, you know, horrifically tortures them and then

1083
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,320
murders his family in front of him, uh Vargas. Somewhat later,

1084
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:23,440
you know, after being tortured, he you know, consumes a

1085
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:26,360
drug that will let him, in sort of a Romeo

1086
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,639
and Juliet fashion, you know, fake his death and then

1087
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:33,039
he's able to you know, sort of smuggle himself out,

1088
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,000
uh and guts. Basically just says like, yeah, I don't care. Uh,

1089
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,079
that's pretty gay. I'm gonna kill him anyway, but not

1090
01:02:40,199 --> 01:02:43,000
because you told me to. Right after being saved by.

1091
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:48,679
Speaker 3: This guy, I was gonna do it anyway. Whatever, Dad, Yeah.

1092
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:52,159
Speaker 6: Some some kind of performative edge. But we're also introduced

1093
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,960
to a major plot point that is not particularly expanded

1094
01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:00,679
upon in this one. But this this sort of red

1095
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:05,880
egg shaped object covered in faces as eyes and teeth.

1096
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 3: Yes, a lot of people will see the memes of

1097
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:13,559
the behalo it arranging its face and eyes in the

1098
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:18,480
right order, screaming and bleeding out of its eyes. I

1099
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:22,079
don't believe, oddly enough, for the little bit of autism,

1100
01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:25,079
I don't believe this one is actually ever given a color.

1101
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,320
The only one that is given a particular color is

1102
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,159
the egg of the King, which we find out in

1103
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:33,440
the Golden Age, which is called the crimson behalo it.

1104
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:39,280
This one's typically colored like grayish blue. They can be

1105
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,440
whatever color it is. The main point on this is

1106
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,920
like Berserk is all black and white. There's no color

1107
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,000
to it. So this is one of those ones where

1108
01:03:49,079 --> 01:03:51,800
there's it is a darker color. It is given. It

1109
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:56,639
shows this you can use whatever imagination. I have a

1110
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,400
fondness of one of the art picks later where some

1111
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:04,320
of them are blue. So like you have a lot

1112
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,519
of license on what colors they are. Outside of you

1113
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:13,440
know somebody in particulars you're muted against her.

1114
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 6: Wow, incredible professional podcaster, ladies and gentlemen.

1115
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:20,039
Speaker 3: It's the first time bad luck with me.

1116
01:04:20,119 --> 01:04:22,599
Speaker 6: And that's all right, one hundred percent. And you know what, Felix,

1117
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,360
despite the fact that I ask you medical questions, I

1118
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,239
trust you that to that level, I will not be

1119
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,719
inviting you back on because you made me forget how

1120
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:32,519
to use software.

1121
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,679
Speaker 3: That that's okay. It happens.

1122
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,599
Speaker 6: So in the meantime, right, we learned that this bailet

1123
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:44,039
was in some way connected to the count he owned it.

1124
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,000
The physician stole it when he left. We don't know

1125
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:51,000
how that matters. Allegedly, arrived part of this caravan, right,

1126
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:53,920
it was something that these traveling merchants were carrying.

1127
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:58,559
Speaker 13: For the twelve days of Christmas. Your spar had for

1128
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:04,199
me twelve Christmas eleven cakes of baking, ten salmon smoking,

1129
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,000
nine Christmas crackers.

1130
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 7: Eight lovely Jesus even, six stucking fiddlers.

1131
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:16,719
Speaker 13: Five misses for Christmas, case, three Brussels rouse, two turkey

1132
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,039
legs under Christmas mate, super easy.

1133
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 4: Spine, you're super easy supermarkets.

1134
01:05:24,639 --> 01:05:29,599
Speaker 6: So while this is happening, are the Count is talking

1135
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,920
to his head goon. It's on dark right, he's he's

1136
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,639
horribly injured, you know, he's he's laying in.

1137
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 3: Bed, he's not holding the l very well.

1138
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's raging. Right, he kills one of the physicians

1139
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,400
attending him. But the Count comes in and basically sorry,

1140
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:51,960
everyone leaves, and uh, basically there's no way to he

1141
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,119
he vomits out a demon slug.

1142
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to pull the image, like, there's no

1143
01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:58,119
way of describing this.

1144
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,239
Speaker 6: What volume is this? I'm this is it is?

1145
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 3: Hey, I can give you off mine. It's page two

1146
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:10,519
thirty six. If you just put in this account, damon,

1147
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:11,599
that'll be it.

1148
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,599
Speaker 6: I will actually I'll edit this part out so it

1149
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,199
looked like I had it the whole time, perfect. I'm

1150
01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:20,079
reading it online, so you're good.

1151
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:24,199
Speaker 3: It's it's right after, but we'll say, like, you know,

1152
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,079
as you pull it up, we'll let you do it.

1153
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1154
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 3: Earlier, whas Vargas is giving a a description of how

1155
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,239
the Count looks, you start to realize why people start

1156
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,199
calling him the slug Count, because he looks like a slug.

1157
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:45,480
He grows antanna, his arms morphed into I don't remember

1158
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:47,280
what they're what they're thing is it's not necessarily a

1159
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,960
pseudopodum my old well, the teachers are gonna kill me,

1160
01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:53,719
but it's you can see.

1161
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, so let me pull the u uh

1162
01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:08,239
uh and there's more mentioned we will uh get to. So, yes,

1163
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:12,159
all right, you see this kind of horror account, right,

1164
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:17,480
and his horrifically injured uh you know, henchman here, and

1165
01:07:17,559 --> 01:07:21,119
then all of a sudden we see, right, this sort

1166
01:07:21,159 --> 01:07:24,079
of horrific monster, you know, vomiting out.

1167
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 3: Of the Count's mouth, and it there's the panel. Yeah,

1168
01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:29,079
if you go on like.

1169
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 6: It's it's it's somewhat grim and he says, you know,

1170
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:40,679
my demon take it inside of you and then we

1171
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:41,960
sort of move on from there.

1172
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

1173
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 6: At the same time, we kind of go back to

1174
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:47,679
the conversation.

1175
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:49,519
Speaker 3: This is happening at the same time, so it's very

1176
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:52,039
it's cutting back and forth. I'm going to be like,

1177
01:07:52,119 --> 01:07:56,679
this is happening at the exact same time, but the timeline.

1178
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 6: He mentions, uh, which we will get to later. The

1179
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:02,599
God hand right by the way, Felix, do you need

1180
01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:02,800
to go?

1181
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:05,519
Speaker 3: I got a little bit more. I can give you

1182
01:08:05,559 --> 01:08:07,360
about fifteen more minutes.

1183
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 6: Cool, cool, just drop out and I'll finish the summary

1184
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:13,599
and talking about a little bit if you want to

1185
01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:15,960
just leave whenever you need to. We see the God

1186
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:20,439
hand right, Guts mentioned them, these five shadowy figures. So anyway,

1187
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:25,840
comes back to the conversation and all you know, they're

1188
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:30,359
going back and forth and out of nowhere, Guts Brand

1189
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:34,840
starts bleeding again, and then really just out of nowhere,

1190
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:39,600
this sort of demon corrupted Henchman just emerges through the

1191
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,520
wall and just starts fighting with Guts again. However, and

1192
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,119
you know what, I'm just going to pull it up

1193
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:49,319
in the other window, and you see he has been.

1194
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:56,399
Speaker 3: He is grifically loader and more crazy. The thing that

1195
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,479
came to mind. When I first saw this was actually

1196
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:06,319
if anybody has ever played resid Evil, for when you

1197
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:11,279
disarm or you know, decapitate, one of the the Spanish

1198
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:17,399
goods where extra loombs start coming out, or again you

1199
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,279
might not know this one one of the better fun

1200
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:24,600
animes out there, or manga parasite where they start more

1201
01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:28,800
morphing and chain morphing. I'm gonna get that's not the

1202
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:33,880
right word. I'm looking for him. They I don't know

1203
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,960
how to put it. It's it's like a it's a

1204
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:41,479
very mutable effect that comes out and you start to

1205
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,880
realize that this is not zon dark anymore. This is

1206
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:48,039
this is something entirely else. He crushes through the wall

1207
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:51,079
right there with his axe. He wasn't that strong before,

1208
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:56,000
and he's big, burly and just has kill on the brain.

1209
01:09:57,239 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 6: Right and this body horror will will continue, right, so

1210
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,159
they sort of have this fight. Obviously, he seems you know, bigger,

1211
01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:08,359
he's got sharp teeth now and glowing eyes. But you know,

1212
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,680
Guts is able to cut his arm off, and as

1213
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,920
you mentioned, right very much, Resident Evil four, he cuts

1214
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,000
the arm off, you know, disarms him both literally and figuratively,

1215
01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:21,479
and then all of a sudden right that the sort

1216
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,199
of evil goo starts pulsating out of this and he

1217
01:10:25,319 --> 01:10:28,800
grows a massive new arm, right, all kind of with

1218
01:10:29,079 --> 01:10:32,439
dozens of different you know appendages, and just starts wrecking

1219
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:33,119
the whole place.

1220
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:35,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like a Kira all over like you

1221
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:37,119
can just see ted you see.

1222
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,239
Speaker 6: And again, I don't know, I'm gonna say this. The

1223
01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:44,680
art is so good in this, right, these these doubles

1224
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,920
age that people think of, like.

1225
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,079
Speaker 3: The ones that they have in their mind. Is there's

1226
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,560
one panel from the Lost Children arc that comes to mind,

1227
01:10:53,119 --> 01:10:55,279
there's one from this one, but a lot of them

1228
01:10:55,359 --> 01:10:58,880
come from Late Conviction and Millennium Falcon Like those are

1229
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,720
the ones where most people are like, oh yeah, this

1230
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,800
is this is the jam. Yeah it.

1231
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:09,199
Speaker 6: It continues to get more and more detailed. So you know,

1232
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:12,039
the two of the two of these fight. It's a

1233
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:14,479
you know, very good will illustrated fight scene, and we

1234
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,680
continue to see both this sort of you know, dominant

1235
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,720
human spirit of guts. Right, he's doing much better than

1236
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,479
any man normally, should you know, he's swinging. There's this

1237
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,560
this panel where basically the powers of this sort of

1238
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,560
corrupted goon are growing, Right, He's getting faster and stronger

1239
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:37,159
and more and more durable, until eventually they have to run.

1240
01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:41,479
Uh Guts even you know, partially decapitates him. It doesn't

1241
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:46,359
do anything, and so the three of them bolt. They

1242
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,319
basically make a run for it. Uh here's another and

1243
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,199
this is what I mean, where like the body horror

1244
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:54,239
just keeps going. So after he has the top of

1245
01:11:54,279 --> 01:11:59,439
his head uh you know, slid off basically, Uh, that

1246
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:04,359
sort of slug monster pops out right of of the socket.

1247
01:12:06,399 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 3: And even to the point where it calls out Vargas.

1248
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,760
He's like, oh hey, buddy, I haven't seen you forever. Yeah,

1249
01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:16,760
a lot of fun and it's christ like okay. So

1250
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:21,520
now not only is he stronger, faster, it's effectively remote controlled.

1251
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,600
Von Dark is now a drone for theies.

1252
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,239
Speaker 6: This is the the bailet we mentioned, this sort of

1253
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:32,000
egg shape with different human mouths and and eyes. So

1254
01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:35,720
point is the the party is is forced to escape,

1255
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:39,720
right they they partially collapse, uh this sort of hide out,

1256
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:43,520
and they run out through the grate and as they

1257
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,479
they sort of enter this this sort of sewer right

1258
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,640
Guts takes the bailt from Vargas you know, leaves and

1259
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,359
as you know, Vargas is sort of going.

1260
01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 3: Back into his to go to the sewers.

1261
01:12:58,279 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 6: We see a tenet pop out of the water and

1262
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,439
there he is again, just kind of glowing eyes, three

1263
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,319
of them right, two on the slug and one on

1264
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:12,119
his you know, partially decapitated or partially smashed skull. You're

1265
01:13:12,199 --> 01:13:15,560
glowing out of the sewer. So now right, Guts and

1266
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,960
and Puck are you know, running away right there out

1267
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,439
and you know, they have this this conversation when they

1268
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,600
realize that there's another execution planned, and these townspeople are saying, oh,

1269
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:29,840
you know, this is one of the friends of the

1270
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,880
guy who disrupted the other one. Obviously they've got Vargas,

1271
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:37,119
this is planned, and Puck is constantly saying like, oh,

1272
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:40,720
you've got to save him. Guts is like, no, yeah,

1273
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:45,680
there's no way I can't. It's a suicide mission. And uh,

1274
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,479
you know, he's having these visions of Vargas saying, avenge me,

1275
01:13:50,119 --> 01:13:52,199
and he you know, he sort of pounds the wall

1276
01:13:52,279 --> 01:13:54,119
like now, I won't do it. So we cut back

1277
01:13:54,199 --> 01:13:57,399
to the same scaffolding from earlier outside the capitol, where

1278
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,760
these two again kind of there's a lot of one

1279
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:05,079
of the weird recurring things is bizarre, gimpy looking executioners

1280
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:07,359
really got nothing there.

1281
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's just there, like it's they have

1282
01:14:12,039 --> 01:14:15,000
the hood. They're definitely trying to go for a particular

1283
01:14:15,119 --> 01:14:20,159
aesthetic with it, because later on in the conviction art

1284
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:23,279
you get a whole crew of these guys. They're not

1285
01:14:23,399 --> 01:14:26,800
called executioners or inquisitors. Yeah, it gets much weirder, but

1286
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,159
same sort of vibe. And before this, this is where

1287
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:36,000
you start to see. This is probably this section right

1288
01:14:36,079 --> 01:14:39,359
here after Vargas gets captured, set in for execution. It's

1289
01:14:39,359 --> 01:14:41,359
all within like basically a day. They're not really a

1290
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,239
long time between these situations, and Puck is like, hey,

1291
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:50,960
you need to go intervene. Guts is jokingly like coping

1292
01:14:51,039 --> 01:14:52,640
and seething about this. He's like, I'm just gonna go

1293
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,960
watch him die, you know, if he if he would,

1294
01:14:55,119 --> 01:14:56,800
if he didn't want to die, he should have gotten caught.

1295
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,079
If you're so worried about it, why don't you go

1296
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:02,800
save him. He's putting it on Puck to go be

1297
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:08,439
brave and tiny. It's just all it's all showboating, right,

1298
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,800
Like he's sitting there. You can tell that it bothers

1299
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,600
him that Vargas a put out his neck for him,

1300
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:19,680
saved him from the gigantic thing the behalo. We're gonna

1301
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,000
get into those ones later. That's more of a Golden

1302
01:15:22,039 --> 01:15:24,920
age situation, talk about about like the happenstance of those

1303
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,439
things even showing up in the first place, or where

1304
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:33,640
they go. But the main point is like it's just

1305
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,479
Guts is just doing his best to return back to

1306
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:41,079
pizza cutter. And one of the things the framing elements

1307
01:15:41,079 --> 01:15:44,399
they do for the first couple, really that's really only

1308
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,840
this harc I can think of is that the elves

1309
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,880
are very sensitive to emotions, and so Puck is just

1310
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:53,800
like writhing in pain because Guts is nothing but a

1311
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,199
pizza cutter. Right, That's where he got the term of like,

1312
01:15:57,279 --> 01:16:02,399
oh he's feeling berserk, okay, and he's now having a

1313
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,800
situation where maybe Guts is just an asshole, Like why

1314
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,760
am I peeling around with this guy? Like if he's

1315
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,880
really this much of a dick, why am I around

1316
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:10,239
this guy?

1317
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:16,079
Speaker 6: And so what happens is that Fargus is executed. Right

1318
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:18,560
the count is looking over him and says, you know what,

1319
01:16:19,119 --> 01:16:21,560
it's made clear that this is a deliberate trap or

1320
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,640
a provocation to try to get Guts to show up,

1321
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:25,720
and he says, you know what, you're lucky, I'm giving

1322
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,399
you a quick death, and as Guts looks over, Vargas

1323
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:35,279
is killed, right, executed, head chopped off. So Guts and

1324
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:40,479
Pucks split up, right, we see, you know, Pucks are

1325
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,079
flying around, Guts walking through the woods, and he comes

1326
01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:46,960
upon basically the corpse disposal. Right, there's two of these goons,

1327
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:50,720
you know, throwing these corpses just in a pit. They

1328
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,119
throw Vargas in with his head, you know, basically say like, oh,

1329
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:56,479
this guy looks really ugly, and then Guts comes up

1330
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:00,359
and kills him. Now, the interesting thing is is that

1331
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,600
this is sort of a moment where we see, you know,

1332
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,119
got to sort of crack a little bit, right. He's

1333
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:10,359
not only visibly bothered by it, but we see these

1334
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:15,479
sort of spectral figures rising from this corpse pit, basically

1335
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,439
you know, calling for revenge, and it seems as if

1336
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:24,159
it almost works right there, they're almost possessed. We also

1337
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:28,159
see a return of this sort of demonic fetus, but

1338
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,079
when he sees it again, it has Vargas's face yep,

1339
01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:35,239
and he's you know, just incredibly distraught by this. We

1340
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:40,079
also see teased the Count's daughter. She will become relevant later,

1341
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,079
but this sort of possession, right, all of these figures

1342
01:17:44,119 --> 01:17:46,720
are rising up from the pit. You know, they're saying

1343
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,399
we want revenge. They're wrapping their arms around in this

1344
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,479
very evocative panel, and it's really well drawn, right, obviously

1345
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:53,399
it is black and white.

1346
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,159
Speaker 3: It definitely comes back of like, you know, what is

1347
01:17:56,199 --> 01:17:59,239
it your brother's blood calls from the ground for vengeance

1348
01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:04,960
or for justice? You get really and we want to

1349
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,560
possess you to go handle this. Vargas begged you. But

1350
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,600
if you're not gonna do it, we're gonna possess.

1351
01:18:10,359 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 6: You to go do it, right, And you also see

1352
01:18:14,199 --> 01:18:16,640
just some really well done art where Guts is obviously

1353
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,159
black on gray with white highlights, but these spirits are

1354
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:22,760
are white ink on a gray background. So they're very

1355
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:28,239
strikingly different against him. Just an artistic note, right, and

1356
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,800
Guts shakes them off, right, He basically says no and

1357
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,399
sort of cast these spirits out.

1358
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, they're not trying to kill them, like, it's right.

1359
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,119
It's a departure from before we're like, oh, okay, there's

1360
01:18:39,159 --> 01:18:42,119
other sorts of spirits. Now not everything is the same world,

1361
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:44,760
Like he's only going to be, you know, attracting these

1362
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,640
Poulter guys that want to kill everything. These ones have purpose,

1363
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,199
they have a desire with it, and he.

1364
01:18:54,279 --> 01:18:56,119
Speaker 6: Right when he cast them out, he says, no, like,

1365
01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:57,600
this isn't a supernatural fight.

1366
01:18:58,159 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 3: It's me.

1367
01:18:59,159 --> 01:19:02,319
Speaker 6: I'm a human, I'm flesh and blood, and I'm gonna

1368
01:19:02,319 --> 01:19:07,439
go kill the count. I'll do it myself. So the

1369
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,880
next chapter, right, Uh guts his back in the city.

1370
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,800
He's sort of going to kill the count. The Count

1371
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,359
has captured Puck. You know, Puck is obviously distraught by

1372
01:19:18,359 --> 01:19:22,680
the whole situation, and he gets carried into a room

1373
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:27,800
where the Count's daughter is a Puck is in a cage.

1374
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,079
He the count is basically giving them to his daughter

1375
01:19:31,119 --> 01:19:36,920
as a gift. There's this very uncomfortable scene where the

1376
01:19:37,039 --> 01:19:43,880
Count touches her and she freaks out, like like recoils instantly. Ah,

1377
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,119
there is more than an implication there of what is

1378
01:19:48,199 --> 01:19:48,479
going on.

1379
01:19:49,039 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's one of those things where it's it's

1380
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,279
almost like a bait with this one, like this might

1381
01:19:54,359 --> 01:20:00,680
be the one where it's not the it's not the

1382
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,760
actual imp actual true implication is not till the Golden

1383
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:08,000
Age Dark, where that is very explicit. This one is

1384
01:20:08,079 --> 01:20:12,159
more of a she is extremely sheltered. She hasn't left

1385
01:20:12,199 --> 01:20:15,680
the room in seven years, and she knows something's wrong

1386
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:20,760
with Dad. It's not necessarily like he's abusive exactly. It's

1387
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,279
much more of like you have that moment of like

1388
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,239
a coraline situation that's not him. Dad is not Dad.

1389
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:31,319
Something else is there. He is something entirely different, and

1390
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:38,119
so she's very panicky around him. But it's not knowing

1391
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:41,159
what the Count and what we learned about him later,

1392
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,199
it's I would say, it's extremely unlikely that he actually

1393
01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:47,880
engaged in any sort of like sexual abuse with his daughter.

1394
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,119
That can't be said for other characters. But the Count

1395
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:57,439
is much more of He's he's a complicated dude, and

1396
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,239
he actually like the Count for being a small hard

1397
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:03,800
in this Now the couple of key things that will

1398
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,680
come back to make some major potential later down the

1399
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:12,880
line because of his decisions and his choices. But his

1400
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,840
big one is like he loves his kid. He doesn't

1401
01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:21,079
want her to be influenced by anything. The story of

1402
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:26,119
his wife being you know, killed by heretics is what

1403
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,239
she knows. So he like as he's going around executing

1404
01:21:30,319 --> 01:21:35,560
heretics and basically protecting doing his job as a count. Right,

1405
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,159
he's doing much better than the snake Baron did. Where

1406
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:41,760
he's keeping up appearances by trying to investigate people that

1407
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,640
may have wrongdoing. He's still sneaking in some torture and

1408
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,439
shit on the side, but it's not wanton disaster. He's

1409
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,039
able to keep it together for the last seven years

1410
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:57,399
to be like, yeah, he's a monster, he's tougher, he's cranky,

1411
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,960
but he's not burning the whole time. He's much more composed.

1412
01:22:03,079 --> 01:22:04,319
I guess it would be a better way to put

1413
01:22:04,359 --> 01:22:05,920
it right.

1414
01:22:06,119 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 6: And so you know, Puck and Teresa, are you talking together?

1415
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,000
We'll come back to that. But you know, as the

1416
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:16,840
Count leaves, he basically says, you know, everyone leave, and

1417
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,800
we get this sort of premonition right that he realizes

1418
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,880
Guts is here, he knows that he's entered into the city,

1419
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,279
and he takes his bare hands and just crushes the

1420
01:22:27,399 --> 01:22:29,840
wall next to him, right, sort of hinting that there's

1421
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,640
something more to him. So Guts is walking up this

1422
01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:38,279
stairs and we see that the monster has returned, right,

1423
01:22:38,359 --> 01:22:41,359
this sort of goon's on dark. He's been fighting. It's

1424
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:44,279
still alive. And I'll show some of the art here

1425
01:22:44,279 --> 01:22:48,479
because it's really really cool, uh, that they have this

1426
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,560
sort of fight on the stairs, right, the final conflict,

1427
01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:57,359
and he is mutated, yeah, even more body horror, right,

1428
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:01,199
his his face is distended. He is multiple different eyes

1429
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:02,479
popping out for every direction.

1430
01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:03,279
Speaker 12: You know.

1431
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 6: Again, very resident evil. And so the two of them

1432
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,560
have this this battle where eventually, you know, guts Is

1433
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,560
is victorious. Uh, but I don't want to. I want

1434
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,239
to move through this for the sake of time. But

1435
01:23:16,359 --> 01:23:17,880
the art is very very.

1436
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,520
Speaker 3: It's great, it's very gruesome. It gets to the point

1437
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:24,359
again Gus gets his ass handed to him multiple times.

1438
01:23:25,039 --> 01:23:27,399
He's bleeding out because every single thing on here is

1439
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:32,600
sharp and there and he can keep regenerating. Except the

1440
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:37,279
fun little thing is he gloats once again, what is

1441
01:23:37,319 --> 01:23:40,640
it unless you cut off my head right thanks to

1442
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,600
the tip, asshole, and just immediately and just chop off.

1443
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 6: Let's mention again, it's not a clean thing, right, He

1444
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,880
sort of skims the top off.

1445
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 3: And threw his cheeks. It's not yeah, I mean, granted,

1446
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,640
is not really bone at that point, but the same

1447
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,079
point as he gloats, he then pays.

1448
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:03,239
Speaker 6: The little slug monster is still on the tip of

1449
01:24:03,319 --> 01:24:07,399
his sword, you know, taunting him, and Guts just smashes

1450
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:12,119
it against the wall, just completely juices it. So kind

1451
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:15,920
of continuing forward, Guts has been severely injured, right, He's

1452
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:17,880
saying like, I can't give up, even though I've lost

1453
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:22,680
all this blood. And we cut back to Teresa. That

1454
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:27,560
counts yeaheah, no worries. I'll keep going. And so the

1455
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,920
two of them are going back and forth. Basically she's saying,

1456
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,920
you know, Ibs trapped here, and she describes the situation

1457
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:37,840
with her mother, so we see, you know, the rise

1458
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:42,760
of this cult. The demon is basically just bafha met right,

1459
01:24:43,039 --> 01:24:46,880
It is that exact drawing. And they say, and again

1460
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:51,079
very exacting detail, that they stole in and sacrificed her mother.

1461
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:56,319
And that's when he changed. Come back to that later.

1462
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:01,279
Guts is continuing his rampage, right, he cutting down you know,

1463
01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:05,119
these sort of men, and he arrives in this scene,

1464
01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:08,840
or arrives in this ballroom right with this priest character,

1465
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,880
who's more of a character than we've mentioned per se.

1466
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:16,000
We haven't mentioned him because he's sort of an ancillary goon.

1467
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,680
But the men attack Guts again in just great detail.

1468
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,319
And for those wondering what I'm talking about with these

1469
01:25:24,399 --> 01:25:27,840
double spreads, let me pull up. This is not like

1470
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,279
a particularly renowned one. It's just the one in front

1471
01:25:30,319 --> 01:25:33,000
of me, right, But you can see these double spreads

1472
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,560
are just incredibly detailed, right, the historical arms and armor

1473
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:41,079
and guts just I mean, there's most of that guy.

1474
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,199
It's a bit grim. So continuing through this fight, right,

1475
01:25:46,279 --> 01:25:50,399
he's just mulching these guys. They send in another kind

1476
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:54,359
of big bad goon, and Guts, you know, handily dispatches

1477
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,960
him by sort of separating his arms and shoulders from

1478
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,880
the rest of him. Ye, I'm moving through this quickly,

1479
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,399
not because it's not interesting, but because you know, a

1480
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:06,640
lot of this is sort of action.

1481
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 3: The later yes, because we've seen Guts just murder people

1482
01:26:12,399 --> 01:26:14,800
like he can do that. It's like he's very good

1483
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:15,079
at it.

1484
01:26:16,399 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 6: And so we cut back to Teresa and Puck and

1485
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,920
she's let him out of the cage. She basically says, like,

1486
01:26:22,039 --> 01:26:23,479
you know, I always wondered what it was like to

1487
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,760
fly because I've been stuck in this room for so long,

1488
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,560
and then she lets him go, and you know, right

1489
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,560
before he goes, he basically says like, oh, I'll come

1490
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,319
back for you, you know, and she cries and basically,

1491
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,279
you know, we see some semblance of hope because all

1492
01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:42,960
she wants to do is go outside. You're cutting back.

1493
01:26:43,399 --> 01:26:46,000
Guts has just made his way through, you know, these

1494
01:26:46,119 --> 01:26:49,359
men and is in this this sort of great hole.

1495
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, you get past the fog wall, and suddenly

1496
01:26:55,079 --> 01:26:57,479
you have the count. He's at the end of the hallway,

1497
01:26:58,159 --> 01:26:59,560
staring menacingly.

1498
01:27:01,399 --> 01:27:04,600
Speaker 6: Right. And for those wondering, all of the detail given

1499
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:08,000
to arms and armor is also given to architecture. It is,

1500
01:27:08,079 --> 01:27:10,239
of course, you know, like anything in fantasy, sort of.

1501
01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 3: Exaggerated across every pillar.

1502
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 6: It's it's all hand done. It's it's masterfully illustrated. Uh So,

1503
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,319
the two of them sort of start their battle, you know,

1504
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,319
back and forth, right, and then we see again this

1505
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:29,600
sort of monstrous body horror right, like, it is very

1506
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:33,359
clear that you know, this man is no longer human.

1507
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,680
You know, they're sort of trading initial blows.

1508
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,399
Speaker 3: He's got a small of his true form through zoon dark,

1509
01:27:40,199 --> 01:27:45,279
but his true form is gargantuan. It is huge and

1510
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:50,880
it is disgusting. He has a very human mouth where

1511
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:55,800
the slugs I don't I guess what was it radula

1512
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:56,159
would be.

1513
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,159
Speaker 6: His face is up the top by the eyestalks, and

1514
01:28:01,039 --> 01:28:04,880
the artist does a very good job of slowly revealing this. Right,

1515
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:09,119
you start to realize how big he is, always in shadow, right,

1516
01:28:09,159 --> 01:28:11,600
and again we see these kind of like monstrous tentacles

1517
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,760
and teeth, and then until finally you see, right, a

1518
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:20,680
horrific body horror right of this man form revealed oddly

1519
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,239
reminiscent right of what we saw with the snake baron earlier.

1520
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,560
So the two of them have have this fight, which

1521
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,880
is quite good, but we're going to kind of skip

1522
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,479
through it because we see a lot of the same things.

1523
01:28:35,039 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's over and over again, but the main point

1524
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,960
is that during that time period, Teresa is like, I

1525
01:28:42,039 --> 01:28:46,880
should right now leave my room, while the guards are

1526
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,880
yelling and while things are crashing, I should leave my

1527
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,600
room right right.

1528
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 6: Now and right and Guts is sort of playing this

1529
01:28:55,079 --> 01:28:57,720
cat and mouse game, hiding behind all of the pillars

1530
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,520
that we showed you earlier. Uh, and so you know

1531
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:03,439
he he's sort of using this in sort of a

1532
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:08,239
hit and run tactic to try and uh, to try

1533
01:29:08,279 --> 01:29:11,279
and sort of equalize between him and this massive monster.

1534
01:29:11,399 --> 01:29:14,439
Again you see the the loving detail to you, both

1535
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,359
the violence and kind of the body horror. And you

1536
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,239
know he's taunting him as he sort of you know,

1537
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,600
cuts him apart, guts is still just getting battered, and

1538
01:29:23,119 --> 01:29:26,720
as he's sort of knocked down right over top of him,

1539
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,880
gloating you know again we we see, you know, as

1540
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:34,920
he's sort of crouching over him, his daughter runs in

1541
01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:36,159
the room, you know.

1542
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:41,640
Speaker 3: Seeing immediately sees his face and immediately knows that that's

1543
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,560
her dad. Like there where it's like, oh my god,

1544
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:50,119
that's what you are, right and this the count his

1545
01:29:50,319 --> 01:29:53,079
face is actually really funny where you look at it.

1546
01:29:53,119 --> 01:29:56,039
It's just the immediate shame of like, oh my god,

1547
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,479
she's the jig is up. She sees what I really

1548
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,720
am now now like what do I do? What do

1549
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,840
I do with this? Like you were never It's I

1550
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,880
don't know, I don't know what other medium has a

1551
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:14,319
situation where the contrast of the form to the face matches,

1552
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,520
because there'll be a song like oh I can't believe

1553
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,000
you're a drug dealer, walt or something something stupid like that,

1554
01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:23,800
where it's just regular people. His immediate thing is in

1555
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:28,439
slug form being thirty feet tall, is like, what do

1556
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,479
I do? Yeah, it's the next panel down right at

1557
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:35,800
the top, like uh now what like fuck, what do

1558
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:36,640
I do? What do I do?

1559
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,399
Speaker 6: Right? And he recoils in horror. His daughter does as well.

1560
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,680
He's he's trying to run to embrace her, and she

1561
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,720
somewhat understandably, just is having a meltdown.

1562
01:30:49,239 --> 01:30:52,359
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he has. Right from that moment forward, he's crashing.

1563
01:30:52,039 --> 01:30:57,039
Speaker 6: Out, yes, and again we see just the absolute horror

1564
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:02,159
of this figure. And then out of nowhere, right, we

1565
01:31:02,279 --> 01:31:05,760
see Guts use that opportunity right to to throw knives

1566
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,840
at him, right to get back into the fight, you know,

1567
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,680
using his sort of attachment for his daughter. And we

1568
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:15,800
see again, right, he's been smashed, he's bloodied, he's he's broken,

1569
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,359
but he's still fighting nonetheless, you know, barely standing. He

1570
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,199
literally you can see him, he can't even lift up

1571
01:31:22,199 --> 01:31:28,279
his sword really, and yet this right, and so the

1572
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,680
the count continues his just rage right now that he's

1573
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,560
been exposed to his daughter. Guts is just in this one,

1574
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,720
he's just getting kicked, right, just getting smashed over and

1575
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,319
over and over again and.

1576
01:31:39,359 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 3: Again right to where yep, he can take an advantage

1577
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,199
by he's not above taking prisoners or taking hostages.

1578
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,239
Speaker 6: Right, and he grabs Teresa, holds him in front of

1579
01:31:49,319 --> 01:31:53,640
him basically to halt you know, this assault, and again

1580
01:31:54,159 --> 01:31:56,720
he uses that opportunity, and here we see it and

1581
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:01,359
again another great panel to use the space sickly flamethrower

1582
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:06,680
filt to his arm to blast this monster. Right, and

1583
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:08,840
so what's different in this one? Right, we see the

1584
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,800
same thing. You know, his face has been smashed, Gus's

1585
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,800
hand has been broken in the attack, and another recurring motif. Right,

1586
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,319
he's so desperate he'll use his one good hand and

1587
01:32:18,399 --> 01:32:20,119
an arm right to keep up fight.

1588
01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:23,159
Speaker 3: Having a good hand, he's using it, is right, He's

1589
01:32:23,239 --> 01:32:28,720
using his fake arm is his prosthesis plus his mouth

1590
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:29,840
to get the job done.

1591
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 6: And much like we saw earlier, he's able to decapitate right,

1592
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,439
the ugly slug head off of him.

1593
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:37,199
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1594
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 6: Again in sort of exacting detail.

1595
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 3: So this is suddenly where the the arc starts to

1596
01:32:46,119 --> 01:32:49,279
starts to hit a fever pace. You're you're going with

1597
01:32:49,359 --> 01:32:52,840
a slug man, You're doing all these things Guts now

1598
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,880
does what he's does. There's a snake barren and everybody

1599
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:58,720
else where. He starts torturing the guy. After this, you

1600
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,960
have this weird pacing. He's now just stabbing and just

1601
01:33:03,079 --> 01:33:06,800
overly over again, you're gloating about not being able to die.

1602
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,680
I'm now gonna just carve you up constantly.

1603
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, and his daughter is horrified by the way, and

1604
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,399
again he says again like I'll show you the limit

1605
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:20,560
of a human being. Uh, you know, just this kind

1606
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:24,720
of horrific scene. This this girl is is understandably just screaming,

1607
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:30,640
but nonetheless like he's showing very clearly he is exposing

1608
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:36,960
this guy's shame. Uh to his daughter. Again, Guts is

1609
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:43,279
not a great guy. But something happens all of a

1610
01:33:43,319 --> 01:33:48,640
sudden right the bailet, here's this apostle say I don't

1611
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:50,680
want to die, and it's bathed.

1612
01:33:50,399 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 3: In bloods panicking, and then suddenly like just not too

1613
01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:02,119
not a panel over, you're sent to m she's esher's staircase. Well,

1614
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:08,680
all of it's like annoyingly hard to model. Uh, you know,

1615
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,039
was a non Lucidian, non non Uclibean geometry or whatever

1616
01:34:12,079 --> 01:34:12,439
the word is.

1617
01:34:13,319 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 6: Yes, and this is where nuts. Everyone's transported.

1618
01:34:19,319 --> 01:34:22,359
Speaker 3: So, yeah, to take a step back from this, and

1619
01:34:22,359 --> 01:34:24,000
it shows you in a later panel that there's a

1620
01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:28,199
there's a storm over the castle. At this point, I

1621
01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:30,119
believe it's this. I believe it's this arc where it

1622
01:34:30,199 --> 01:34:33,640
shows like there's a storm cloud. Yeah. The next the

1623
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,319
next one where it ends over the big one is

1624
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:39,840
is that he then gives up the game. It's like, hey,

1625
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,920
the great ones are coming. They have all sorts of names,

1626
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,840
the God Hand, the Angels of Desire, whatever names you want.

1627
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:51,199
They actually had to give out their names later. They're

1628
01:34:51,239 --> 01:34:58,359
called Void, Fempto, Ubiic, Conrad, and Slam. There's some deep

1629
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,600
lore on whichever names you have him, but half of

1630
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:05,239
them are novels or you know, callbacks, different things. Everybody

1631
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,680
who's known Berserk is very is extra usually very familiar

1632
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:15,279
with Fempto. And this is where suddenly the art goes

1633
01:35:15,279 --> 01:35:21,359
from dark fantasy to the mechanics behind. Yeah, becomes hell Raiser,

1634
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,920
and suddenly you get the deep lore on what goes on.

1635
01:35:26,079 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 6: This is a reference. These are the five figures, these

1636
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:32,439
sort of you know art trends in most you know

1637
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:37,560
mc escher painting. Yes, So it goes to the next

1638
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,640
chapter right, and I want to say I'm going to

1639
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,800
be able to show you less for this because it

1640
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,479
gets into things that I cannot show on YouTube.

1641
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's one of those things where I think

1642
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:54,359
we can kind of in all honestly, I think I

1643
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:58,920
and my personal thing is I would it heavily leads

1644
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:03,600
into a personal then deata with Femto. That's the that's

1645
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,720
the entryway into the Golden Age arc, but it doesn't

1646
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:12,760
really play into necessarily the messaging of the Black Swordsman arc.

1647
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:17,439
It's more world building. It's all sorts of things, and

1648
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:19,199
it's one of those things that you can wrap back

1649
01:36:19,279 --> 01:36:22,159
up on where it's like, oh, you have all these things.

1650
01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:27,079
You see how Guts is now having a complete traumatic breakdown.

1651
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,399
You thought it was bad before he finds the will

1652
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,760
to stand up. He tries to swing at Femto. It

1653
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:37,319
doesn't work, but everybody's panicking. It's it is a very

1654
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,279
chaotic scene going on suddenly.

1655
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:45,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we see you know that that Guts as

1656
01:36:45,359 --> 01:36:48,119
of yet, for reasons we don't know why, has history

1657
01:36:48,359 --> 01:36:51,079
with these guys. He doesn't like them, and even in

1658
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:55,359
his diminished state, right after fighting this battle against the Count,

1659
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:59,079
who is in half bisected head form just laying on

1660
01:36:59,159 --> 01:37:01,840
the ground with guts splayed everywhere, not guts, the character

1661
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,520
guts like what's inside you. They're going back and forth,

1662
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:09,680
basically making a deal. He said, this character, I don't

1663
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,920
want to die. He is, you know, seemingly activated. This

1664
01:37:13,239 --> 01:37:16,600
this object is transported to another dimension, and he says,

1665
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:20,000
grant me a wish. Take that man's life, and one

1666
01:37:20,039 --> 01:37:23,399
of them Slan basically says, that's not what you want.

1667
01:37:24,039 --> 01:37:27,319
Your desire for something was so great that it tore

1668
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,479
reality apart. But you don't actually hate him.

1669
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:33,520
Speaker 3: He's just a yeah, you don't want to die.

1670
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 6: And there's this sort of seeming moment where one of

1671
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:41,079
these characters will meet. Later, says the Black Swordsman, he's

1672
01:37:41,159 --> 01:37:45,359
not even worth noticing, which again basically triggers Guts to

1673
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,680
to take a swing at him. Doesn't work. Obviously, Again

1674
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,800
we see these sort of bizarre, you know, demonic figures.

1675
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 3: But he basically you can't be stopped. He gets a swing,

1676
01:37:56,039 --> 01:37:59,039
he gets the adominal human spirit allows him to at

1677
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:02,000
least approach and attempt to do what he's been doing

1678
01:38:02,079 --> 01:38:07,159
to everybody else, to fempto. And it's kind of surprising

1679
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:09,159
because even the other members of the god End are like,

1680
01:38:09,239 --> 01:38:12,079
oh oh, he managed to go up the stairs. He

1681
01:38:12,199 --> 01:38:13,920
managed to do it, He managed to get the swing.

1682
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:19,359
Where As you learn in the Golden Age, these guys

1683
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:23,760
are very I don't know how to put it. The

1684
01:38:24,119 --> 01:38:29,159
world of Berserk is about ninety nine percent deterministic, and

1685
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:35,560
that last percentage fraction of a percentage is essentially this

1686
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:40,600
man's will and the rest of like that's where you

1687
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:44,359
can get into it real deep on. You know how,

1688
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:49,319
Guts as an inspiring character because he just doesn't ever

1689
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:54,920
give up under any circumstance, pain, penalty, or hardship. And

1690
01:38:57,319 --> 01:38:59,560
it shows here like in plain game like even if

1691
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,520
they're like essentially god hands, where the slug man goes

1692
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,760
the great ones are coming. Okay, he's saying that big

1693
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:09,800
slug man who just bodied Guts okay, screwed up because

1694
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:11,920
he gloated or you know, let it, let his daughter

1695
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:13,760
get in the way. Really, if you want a view

1696
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:17,600
it that way. But he obviously revers who these people are.

1697
01:39:18,159 --> 01:39:22,039
He revers these entities and by them being able to

1698
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:24,880
basically pitch Guts away like these are these are on

1699
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:29,239
a different level. This is now you're to borrow from

1700
01:39:29,279 --> 01:39:32,439
Elden Ring. These are the promised concert re Dawns of

1701
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:37,520
the World where socks so fight. The fight blows, so.

1702
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 6: His gut sort of runs up to take a swing.

1703
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:43,479
He's just repulsed back, flies across the room, hits one

1704
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,439
of these staircases and is unconscious, and the sort of

1705
01:39:47,039 --> 01:39:50,159
severed head of the count is saying like, oh, thank you,

1706
01:39:50,279 --> 01:39:54,760
you did what I wanted accidentally. And you know one

1707
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,520
of them, the guy with the hell raiser base peeled.

1708
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's either Conrad or Kubic. Think Ubik's the one

1709
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:02,039
with the glasses.

1710
01:40:02,039 --> 01:40:03,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the giant brain.

1711
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:04,079
Speaker 3: Uh.

1712
01:40:04,399 --> 01:40:06,119
Speaker 6: But he basically says, like, all right, enough of this,

1713
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:10,960
it's time for the dramatically named invocation of do basically

1714
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,680
says you need a sacrifice. He's like, oh, well, when

1715
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,960
you take cuts his sacrifice and they're like, no, that's

1716
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,880
not good enough. That's a guy you hate. That doesn't count.

1717
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:22,479
And he points to Teresa and he says, that's what

1718
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:25,439
we'll take. That's what you actually love. That's what's a

1719
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:27,239
worthy sacrifice.

1720
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:32,119
Speaker 3: And then Tubiic goes ahead, or Conrad at that point goes,

1721
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,039
let us let's take a trip down memory lane. Because

1722
01:40:35,039 --> 01:40:35,920
you know how this works.

1723
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 6: You know what you've done this?

1724
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:45,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Suddenly what I revealed it isn't told. He

1725
01:40:45,359 --> 01:40:50,399
conjures the actual image. All right, you have his mom

1726
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,800
you have to count His wife was. Yeah, she did

1727
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,119
get killed by heretics because she was being a hoe

1728
01:40:56,199 --> 01:40:59,079
bag with the Heretics. A matter of fact, she might

1729
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:03,560
given given her position in there. She is probably like

1730
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:06,319
the head priestess of it, right, right.

1731
01:41:06,399 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 6: And what we found out is that he was, you know,

1732
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:12,439
incredibly devoted to his family, fighting this this long campaign

1733
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:16,479
against the heretics, and when he returned home early, he

1734
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:19,159
found his wife it as part of in this I

1735
01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:21,079
cannot show you. I'm sorry, no, no.

1736
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 3: This is this is definitely not you too friendly. But

1737
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:28,079
he finds exactly imagine the cave scene from the second

1738
01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:30,760
Matrix movie with no clothes on this.

1739
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,079
Speaker 6: It's an origin right with this kind of like giant

1740
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:38,159
god to it or to a demon, right to Baphomet.

1741
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:42,239
And we found out that not as you know, his

1742
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,039
daughter was told that she killed by the cult. She

1743
01:41:45,239 --> 01:41:48,600
was this arse priestess and he lost it. He killed

1744
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:51,840
her himself, right, he he killed them all.

1745
01:41:52,399 --> 01:41:55,520
Speaker 3: No, you got to back up here half a second. So, okay,

1746
01:41:55,880 --> 01:42:01,439
killed everybody but her. He can kill every single heretic

1747
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:04,960
in the room, no questions asked. He gets to his

1748
01:42:05,079 --> 01:42:10,359
wife and realizes, I can't do this. She gives him

1749
01:42:10,359 --> 01:42:13,079
a look of like I know that. You know that

1750
01:42:13,239 --> 01:42:16,640
you can't do it. You can't actually follow through because

1751
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:20,560
of who I am and this. He has this huge breakdown.

1752
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:24,960
He's like, I can't do this from that caravan. You're

1753
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:28,880
giving that bailot or behalo it or however you're gonna

1754
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:34,960
say it. His desire at that point is he wants

1755
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:39,600
her dad, but can't bring himself to actually do it himself.

1756
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,640
He is now requesting that his will be done without

1757
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:49,039
him actually engaging with it. And the baylet activates. You

1758
01:42:49,159 --> 01:42:51,439
get a picture of the god hand who shows up

1759
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:55,960
again and void. His big brain shows you, hey, you

1760
01:42:56,079 --> 01:42:57,920
just gotta do a single phrase. You just gotta say

1761
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,920
I sacrifice, no big deal. At that point, you get

1762
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,439
the pitch of the brand. He conjures the image of

1763
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:06,680
it in his hand. You go, oh shit, Okay, so

1764
01:43:07,079 --> 01:43:11,479
suddenly guts is now supposed to be somebody's sacrifice. Okay,

1765
01:43:12,039 --> 01:43:14,880
You're now getting a lot of a lot of Shenanigans

1766
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:17,239
where the devils of the world are basically giving this

1767
01:43:17,359 --> 01:43:22,560
to them. And let's see here, this is what the

1768
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,119
count says. He says, it makes no difference. Whatever you

1769
01:43:25,279 --> 01:43:27,319
are saved me from my suffering. If you do it,

1770
01:43:27,359 --> 01:43:29,960
I'll give you anything. And then he goes, yeah, sure,

1771
01:43:30,119 --> 01:43:33,039
give me your wife. Cool. He then erupts into slugma,

1772
01:43:34,079 --> 01:43:38,399
eats every single bar, every single person corpse that he

1773
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:40,960
had in there, and tears his wife lim from limb.

1774
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:45,359
Mind you, this is a conjured image of that. Now

1775
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,000
Teresa gets to watch her dad.

1776
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:53,159
Speaker 6: Do all of this to that place, and he says, right,

1777
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,960
you did it so that you could transcend your humanity.

1778
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:00,359
Speaker 3: As now in you know, white fragile human heart.

1779
01:44:01,239 --> 01:44:03,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, this this sort of We must have different translations,

1780
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:08,199
by the way, and so un using whichever one I

1781
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:10,720
found on the internet, so that probably translation.

1782
01:44:11,319 --> 01:44:13,720
Speaker 3: It's it's two back to back. It's like, you offer

1783
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,479
this woman to sacrifice the life you couldn't take by

1784
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,079
your own hand, the life of the person you love

1785
01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:20,640
the most and hated the most. You gave it to

1786
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,600
us so that you can bury your fragile human heart,

1787
01:44:24,359 --> 01:44:27,439
so that you could transcend your very humanity. So yeah,

1788
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:29,399
you're gonna have different translations with it. Like I said,

1789
01:44:29,399 --> 01:44:34,279
I mine's the dark Horse, special large prenditions and translations

1790
01:44:34,319 --> 01:44:34,720
I'm using.

1791
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:38,159
Speaker 6: And as he he says this, right, we see a

1792
01:44:38,319 --> 01:44:43,399
full focus on this kind of horrific you know, mutated abomination,

1793
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:47,319
right half a face, and he gestures towards Teresa, the

1794
01:44:47,399 --> 01:44:50,239
brand of sacrifice sort of floating in flame in front

1795
01:44:50,279 --> 01:44:53,039
of her, and basically say like, we'll do it. We'll

1796
01:44:53,039 --> 01:44:54,960
give you anything you want, and all you have to

1797
01:44:55,039 --> 01:44:59,079
do is give us your daughter. But what's interesting about this,

1798
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:01,840
and this is darkly different from the first time you

1799
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,840
know that this horrible monster he doesn't do it. He

1800
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:07,640
basically says like, no, I can't.

1801
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:08,960
Speaker 3: He can't bring himself to do it.

1802
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 6: I can't bring himself to do it. And they say like, well,

1803
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:15,079
you'll be you know, dragged to hell. You'll be completely

1804
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:19,319
you know, damned forever, sort of dissolved into nothing. And

1805
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:25,680
there's this great image of hell, which again is right,

1806
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,359
this swirling.

1807
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 3: The common idea of it would be if you've ever

1808
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:34,800
seen the Disney Hercules, there's that pit of sole at

1809
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:38,399
the bottom swirling down. It evokes that same kind of

1810
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:41,920
imagery where honestly, I think that's where they got the

1811
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:45,399
idea is from this panel being in nineteen ninety two

1812
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,479
when everyone this was made, where it's a swirling vortex

1813
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:50,600
of all these souls, you can start to make out

1814
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:54,520
individual people in it, to the point that the Count

1815
01:45:55,239 --> 01:45:58,000
has he can't do it. He can't. He still has

1816
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:01,319
some little tiny bit in him that says, I can't.

1817
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:04,000
I can't get rid of this. She's she's the gem

1818
01:46:04,279 --> 01:46:06,239
of my world. I can't get rid of this. This

1819
01:46:06,399 --> 01:46:10,479
is also why I don't believe that he actually abused her,

1820
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:13,239
because there's that line where if you're just a toy

1821
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:15,720
or something, you're not gonna you're not gonna damn yourself

1822
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:19,880
to hell for this if you know you're committing those atrocities.

1823
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 6: And then the right, this sort of tendril of human

1824
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:30,399
souls right reach out, ready.

1825
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:33,880
Speaker 3: To go, and our boy from before is numero uno.

1826
01:46:34,119 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 6: He is there to collect his due, yeah, which again

1827
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:42,880
is the sort of grim right that even Vargas rights

1828
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:43,359
is in hell.

1829
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 3: So like cool, he's now there and they grab the

1830
01:46:47,079 --> 01:46:52,520
Count and in his right, which is interesting. Basically, as

1831
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:55,920
any apostle dies, they start to revert back to whatever

1832
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:59,079
they were. You don't get to see that because the

1833
01:46:59,159 --> 01:47:04,560
other ones guts like bisected, exploded and dissolved, and so

1834
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:07,680
you don't actually notice this. But as the Count is

1835
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:11,159
now turning, that little slug piece not the rest of

1836
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:14,439
his body, but it's slowly burning away and he gets

1837
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:18,039
dragged all the way to hell. He reaches out. His

1838
01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:23,000
little girl sees it. She's very understandably knows that her

1839
01:47:23,079 --> 01:47:26,399
dad could have did it. And then everything gets way

1840
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:29,880
more over zealous because they go, ohhit, there's another person

1841
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:32,760
with a brand here. We're gonna go after him, and

1842
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:36,800
they start trying to drag Guts down, and that's where

1843
01:47:37,239 --> 01:47:39,720
again the cannon arm gets a lot of a lot

1844
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:42,399
of use in this first arc, probably more than it

1845
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:47,000
does anywhere else where. He tries the same trick against

1846
01:47:47,079 --> 01:47:50,119
Fempto as being held up by all these souls. He's

1847
01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:53,319
gonna shoot him with the cannon and it does nothing.

1848
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:58,079
It basically explodes right before him and he can't believe

1849
01:47:58,119 --> 01:48:01,039
his fucking eyes. Sorry to Curt So that's just at

1850
01:48:01,039 --> 01:48:02,840
the very end, I held it together, Felix.

1851
01:48:03,079 --> 01:48:05,279
Speaker 6: I like that. You assume that that was the phrase

1852
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:07,000
was going to get this episode in trouble, and.

1853
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't. I did very good to

1854
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:15,439
try to not get the other ones. There's a phrase

1855
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:17,239
that's in the notes. I'm pretty sure you read that.

1856
01:48:17,279 --> 01:48:23,479
You probably giggled at the impact. Yeah, that's so as Guts.

1857
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,600
He's in disbelief. He cannot believe that he's tried every

1858
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:29,800
trick in the book. He's had this small window. You

1859
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,359
get a call out that he names Fento Griffith. Inside

1860
01:48:33,399 --> 01:48:36,359
there there's a small sliver where it touches the Golden Age.

1861
01:48:36,399 --> 01:48:38,279
We're ignore that that's not part of this right now,

1862
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:44,960
we're gonna skip that. Okay, storm is over. Everybody is dying.

1863
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,560
The corpse of the Count is there. Half his body

1864
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,319
is gone, his bottom half is gobbled up. The top

1865
01:48:51,359 --> 01:48:55,119
of his head still missing, his soul gone. He's now

1866
01:48:55,279 --> 01:48:59,680
withering and dying right there, the dragon slayers there. Guts

1867
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:04,199
is just fucking can't handle it anymore. He's having a breakdown.

1868
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:08,680
Teresa is also having a complete and utter psychotic break

1869
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:15,119
right This girl who's probably only like twelve, maybe fourteen,

1870
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:18,680
it's oh d I'm young, young where she just saw

1871
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:21,119
all this happen in a single night after being cooped

1872
01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:23,880
up in a room for seven years, has no way

1873
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:28,079
to process this. And this is where we finally get

1874
01:49:28,119 --> 01:49:34,560
the pizza cutter back. He does his best impression of

1875
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:37,399
Russ Cole and says, go ahead, you should kill yourself.

1876
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:42,520
But after she goes on in my room like what

1877
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:44,520
am I supposed to do with my life? It's all over?

1878
01:49:45,279 --> 01:49:47,319
And so he goes, you should just kill yourself. He

1879
01:49:47,399 --> 01:49:51,000
gives her a knife and he's like, meanwhile, Puck is

1880
01:49:51,079 --> 01:49:53,359
being the straight man with this, going, what the fuck

1881
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:56,560
is wrong with you? Like, after everything that's been gone through, Like,

1882
01:49:56,680 --> 01:50:00,399
what can you do with this? And he's like, yeah,

1883
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:02,319
you can just be all over. All of your worries

1884
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:06,399
will be over if you just kill yourself. Here's the knife.

1885
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:08,359
He goes, it's your life, do what you want with it.

1886
01:50:09,159 --> 01:50:13,399
Speaker 6: So confident, she thinks, what's interesting, and this is why

1887
01:50:14,199 --> 01:50:15,560
we'll get more of this. But I think this is

1888
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:18,000
a really interesting dichotomy. And she's thinking about it right,

1889
01:50:18,079 --> 01:50:19,720
she's kind of bringing the knife down to her wrist.

1890
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,560
The floor starts to give way, she starts to slip over.

1891
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:25,680
Speaker 3: This is a big moment here in the arc, here

1892
01:50:26,359 --> 01:50:28,199
where the floor gives way.

1893
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:32,239
Speaker 6: And guts sticks out his sword, like almost instinctively, and

1894
01:50:32,359 --> 01:50:35,279
she grabs on to the edge right there, there's blood

1895
01:50:35,359 --> 01:50:40,920
running down. Let go, right, even in that situation of pain,

1896
01:50:41,039 --> 01:50:43,359
right she's literally cutting her fingers to the bone, she

1897
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:46,439
won't let go. She still wants to live. She's still

1898
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:49,039
not only does she want to live, but guts wants

1899
01:50:49,079 --> 01:50:52,079
to save her right despite all the edge, despite all

1900
01:50:52,159 --> 01:50:54,720
the just kill yourself, it doesn't matter deep down.

1901
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 3: Out there because he's broken, like not not a panel

1902
01:50:57,079 --> 01:50:59,680
before this, Like he's he's using the dragon Slayer as

1903
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:03,800
a crush. You can barely walk hands broken, Puck and

1904
01:51:04,279 --> 01:51:06,760
being a heel bought has not he has not received

1905
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,000
any attention yet, Like you still have to have the

1906
01:51:09,039 --> 01:51:14,239
timeframe for this. To Mirror's credit, within a fight, there

1907
01:51:14,399 --> 01:51:17,000
is no downtime. You're not gonna sit there and be like, oh,

1908
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:19,159
we're gonna do a dragon ball Z thing where you

1909
01:51:19,159 --> 01:51:21,880
have denda heal somebody. I go, okay, go back and

1910
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:23,960
five freeze it again. Okay, We're gonna do this again

1911
01:51:24,039 --> 01:51:25,800
for three more time until you guys figure out this.

1912
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:29,319
This is a tired trope, doesn't happen. Mirror is very

1913
01:51:29,399 --> 01:51:33,079
much like you're stuck, buddy, here you go. There's other

1914
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:35,279
things later down the line that you know we'll cover

1915
01:51:35,399 --> 01:51:38,520
on and there's some particular moments where that doesn't always apply.

1916
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:42,840
But at this moment, Teresa has the will to fight

1917
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:46,079
through all the pain to not die. Her hands are

1918
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:50,159
totally mangled. Mind you, the dragon Slayer is about four

1919
01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:54,319
inches thick, six and a half beat long, and has

1920
01:51:54,359 --> 01:51:57,479
been through chips beating. This is not a clean cut.

1921
01:51:58,199 --> 01:52:01,960
This is like trying to grab a rusty knife, right.

1922
01:52:02,399 --> 01:52:06,439
It isn't like you're it's not fun in any way

1923
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,079
such a word. But she makes it. She guts, pulls

1924
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:11,840
her over, and she's like, oh my god, I can't

1925
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,479
believe that. It's like and then immediately goes the coping

1926
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:17,239
of this is all your fault. Fuck you guy, this

1927
01:52:17,359 --> 01:52:20,000
is all your fault. I can't believe you did this.

1928
01:52:20,199 --> 01:52:23,079
Ever since you came to town everything was bad. So

1929
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:27,680
guts being guts. It's like whatever, dude, He's like, I

1930
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:30,159
saved your life. He gets his cloak. He's just ready

1931
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:33,560
to leave town. She then promises that she'll find him

1932
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:35,560
and kill him, and all right turns kind of the

1933
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:38,640
animate trope reverse of like, oh, I'm gonna swear revenge

1934
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:41,520
on you. He's like, yeah, that's not a big deal.

1935
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:44,640
I'll be I'll be ready when you want to try, right,

1936
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:52,520
go ahead. And then the panel that basically rounds out

1937
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:56,439
the Pizza cutter is finally there at the very end

1938
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:02,279
of the Guardians of Desire, right before the the Golden

1939
01:53:02,319 --> 01:53:06,239
Age starts, is you get the panel of guts crying

1940
01:53:08,119 --> 01:53:13,000
the sad guts meme. Everybody's basically seen it, to the

1941
01:53:13,039 --> 01:53:15,640
point that Puck is astounded. He can't believe that he's

1942
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:20,399
seeing this guy who let Vargas die, he kicked him

1943
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:27,800
out multiple times, barely, let this girl live, murder, murdered

1944
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:35,640
scores of people. Now is crying question Mark, So like, okay,

1945
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:38,319
you realize that there's a lot more to this guy

1946
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:42,199
than there ever could be before, where he's not really

1947
01:53:42,239 --> 01:53:45,800
like a pizza gutter. Now as you read through the story,

1948
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,359
like you could sit there and go, well, which part

1949
01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:51,720
is he crying about? Is he crying about the the

1950
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:55,319
God Hand encounter? Is he crying about Teresa? It might

1951
01:53:55,399 --> 01:53:58,520
be the fact that he has a bajillion emotions all

1952
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:01,720
at once. He's a sensitive young man, like I said,

1953
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:05,720
because the other part is what would be your best

1954
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:08,840
guess of how old Guts is at this point, if

1955
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:12,000
if you had to take a stab in the dark, I.

1956
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:14,239
Speaker 6: Think I know this isn't he like seventeen or nineteen?

1957
01:54:14,359 --> 01:54:15,279
He's like very young in this.

1958
01:54:17,079 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 3: Ish Yeah, so like at this point in it depends

1959
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:22,039
on which age you start him off at that you

1960
01:54:22,079 --> 01:54:24,039
can calculate it. So some people will say he's like

1961
01:54:24,119 --> 01:54:26,840
closer to sixteen in the Garden Golden Age. There's something

1962
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:29,800
that will say he's like thirteen fourteen that takes place.

1963
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:33,079
There's a three year jump, move him to nineteen twenty.

1964
01:54:33,319 --> 01:54:39,399
He's about twenty one to twenty four right now. Ish,

1965
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:43,680
he's not very old. And yeah he's been bad or

1966
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:48,720
this badly. He's crying. He's a young dude. He doesn't

1967
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:53,000
know what to make of this thing. The Blacks arc

1968
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:58,039
I think can be summed up by just that final

1969
01:54:58,159 --> 01:55:02,399
encounter very well, because you find out big things for

1970
01:55:02,439 --> 01:55:05,680
the show is not everyone's irredeemable. This lug Count came

1971
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:09,960
out of it just fine. Yeah, he committed some vast atrocities.

1972
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:12,279
He's still going to go, you know, pay his dues.

1973
01:55:13,039 --> 01:55:17,920
But he didn't cross every boundary. There was a boundary

1974
01:55:18,039 --> 01:55:20,840
left for him that he couldn't leave away, as our

1975
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:23,359
good friend arn like to say, you know, those are

1976
01:55:23,399 --> 01:55:25,399
the things you can't leave behind. He could not leave

1977
01:55:25,479 --> 01:55:30,199
behind his daughter, and that was his line. You find

1978
01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:35,239
out that somewhere inside Guts is a very troubled, angry,

1979
01:55:35,359 --> 01:55:39,239
sensitive young man who's coping over something. The next eighty

1980
01:55:39,319 --> 01:55:43,600
chapters you find out exactly what he's coping about. You

1981
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:46,960
find out that Puck is essentially our perspective character for

1982
01:55:47,039 --> 01:55:51,439
the first arc and the Lost Children arc, where he

1983
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:54,800
basically follows around gives you the he's the he's the

1984
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:57,880
cameraman for most of those two arcs, trying to figure

1985
01:55:57,880 --> 01:56:02,600
out where he is. It's short. Yeah, we covered it

1986
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:08,039
in about two hours. Obviously not to like exaggerating detail,

1987
01:56:08,239 --> 01:56:10,680
but enough of a play by play that if someone

1988
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:13,439
wants to, you can read this in an hour. It's

1989
01:56:13,479 --> 01:56:18,239
not particularly long if you have that translation. But it's

1990
01:56:18,279 --> 01:56:21,720
a very good introduction to the world. There's some things

1991
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:28,800
to be expanded on later, but it's great. The main

1992
01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:32,640
thing about this is you see this guy who's he's

1993
01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:34,760
had it rough and he's still somehow able to make

1994
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:38,319
it through. And the fun part is he's not the

1995
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:41,279
shown in character like through the power of friendship, bro,

1996
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:43,880
and just you know, not giving up. We're gonna make

1997
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:47,479
it together and you're not gonna make He means it,

1998
01:56:48,199 --> 01:56:51,720
and he has the scars to show it. It's not

1999
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:58,039
all daffodils and rainbows. It's a lot of sexual violence,

2000
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:03,159
a lot of very gruesome ends for lots of people.

2001
01:57:04,359 --> 01:57:09,960
And just the struggler is a perfect name for it.

2002
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:15,439
Like this guy goes through the whole thing, struggling through

2003
01:57:16,199 --> 01:57:18,520
for how many it's been two years now since the

2004
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:22,319
main end of the Golden Age arc is there, So

2005
01:57:22,399 --> 01:57:24,359
he's been doing this for at least two years or so,

2006
01:57:25,479 --> 01:57:28,359
as you find out later, and he still hasn't given up.

2007
01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:32,960
And he's contrasted with as you kind of get the

2008
01:57:33,039 --> 01:57:37,800
vibe later we can go into it further that his

2009
01:57:39,279 --> 01:57:43,000
his end eventually would have been a Vargas. He's too crippled,

2010
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:46,199
he can't do anything. He still has a desire for

2011
01:57:46,319 --> 01:57:49,039
revenge that he can't fulfill, and he's practically and he'll

2012
01:57:49,119 --> 01:57:54,520
end up begging people to do it for him. And

2013
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,000
so like it's kind of a he's a goofy foil

2014
01:57:57,079 --> 01:58:01,359
against Vargas strictly for that where if the if the

2015
01:58:01,479 --> 01:58:05,399
current of fate as the intro to one of the

2016
01:58:05,479 --> 01:58:08,560
animes will like highlight, is, you know, is the destiny

2017
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,880
of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is

2018
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:14,960
it like the hand of God hovering above? At least

2019
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:16,920
it is true that man is no control even over

2020
01:58:17,000 --> 01:58:20,399
his own will. If his story went differently and went

2021
01:58:20,479 --> 01:58:23,680
more towards Vargas over this crippling events, maybe he didn't

2022
01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:27,000
meet Puck, maybe Nigga healed something along the way, he

2023
01:58:27,039 --> 01:58:30,800
would just be a Vargus. He would just be a cranky, maimed,

2024
01:58:31,359 --> 01:58:34,600
pathetic person. But he's not.

2025
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:38,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, And in big picture, as far as themes, obviously,

2026
01:58:39,119 --> 01:58:43,119
you know that idea of being sacrificed as part of

2027
01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:47,399
someone else's rise to greatness will appear later. And then

2028
01:58:47,479 --> 01:58:50,880
also that idea of being in a deterministic world where

2029
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:53,520
like a great deal has been struck, where you are

2030
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:57,720
to be sacrificed. Ultimately you will be damned, will be

2031
01:58:57,800 --> 01:59:01,840
dragged to hell no matter what. But nonetheless, right even

2032
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:06,720
in that hopeless situation as we saw, you know with Teresa, right,

2033
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:10,680
even in that despair, that human desire to keep going

2034
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:14,000
no matter what, no matter the pain, or you know

2035
01:59:14,039 --> 01:59:17,399
how awful the situation is, that desire to transcend is

2036
01:59:17,439 --> 01:59:21,039
still above it, and that desire to overcome. And you know,

2037
01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:24,920
that's why I really think Guts is the is this

2038
01:59:25,039 --> 01:59:28,680
sort of archetypal pagan hero right. There is no hope

2039
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:32,199
in this world per se. There is no time where

2040
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:34,720
everything will be made right. It is when you're done.

2041
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:37,840
You know, you're dragged hell and you just dissolve into nothingness, right,

2042
01:59:37,880 --> 01:59:41,000
you enter the sea of souls, But nonetheless right, even

2043
01:59:41,039 --> 01:59:43,960
in the fate of that avase of that right, guts persists.

2044
01:59:44,399 --> 01:59:47,199
So you know, as we've said, there are more episodes coming.

2045
01:59:47,239 --> 01:59:50,159
It's just an intro, but read this. I've linked an

2046
01:59:50,199 --> 01:59:53,039
e copy. It's well worth your time. The art is great.

2047
01:59:53,119 --> 01:59:54,920
We weren't able to show you very much of it,

2048
01:59:56,239 --> 01:59:58,079
but there's a lot to get from it. You know,

2049
01:59:58,119 --> 01:59:59,800
there's a reason so many of our guys like it.

2050
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,319
I say this as someone who is not a consumer

2051
02:00:02,479 --> 02:00:04,880
of this type of media. I think it stands above it.

2052
02:00:05,439 --> 02:00:07,840
So again, Felix, man, I'm gonna have to go. I

2053
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:08,560
need to eat dinner.

2054
02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:14,439
Speaker 3: It was great talking, but it's a great book. I

2055
02:00:14,479 --> 02:00:20,119
would say now I would I would recommend moving forward, whoever,

2056
02:00:20,199 --> 02:00:25,159
whatever choice individually have on there. For Clarity's sake, I

2057
02:00:25,199 --> 02:00:27,960
would say, and I as a fan of the series,

2058
02:00:28,720 --> 02:00:35,560
just ignore chapter eighty three. It doesn't exist. Mirra himself

2059
02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:38,079
wanted to pull it, and he did. For a lot

2060
02:00:38,159 --> 02:00:41,199
of the adaptations. It's usually included on the fan stuff online.

2061
02:00:42,279 --> 02:00:45,079
It is not included in my dark Horse ones as

2062
02:00:45,119 --> 02:00:47,640
far as I can remember. The prototype is in someone

2063
02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:51,760
of those, but chapter eighty three is not there. It's

2064
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:53,600
one of those ones that gives away the game too

2065
02:00:53,680 --> 02:00:58,039
much and ask too many questions. So just don't. It's

2066
02:00:58,079 --> 02:01:01,119
fun to talk about in terms of content surrounding it,

2067
02:01:01,399 --> 02:01:03,520
but you can think you can kind of think of

2068
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:07,319
it as an as an apocryphal text. It's useful, but

2069
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:12,079
it sometimes sometimes it will spoil different things. But yeah,

2070
02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:16,079
Brazurik is one of those series that you should read

2071
02:01:16,119 --> 02:01:20,479
if you have the stomach for it. He's a great

2072
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:24,319
inspiration for getting yoked and being able to Yeah, you know,

2073
02:01:24,439 --> 02:01:27,359
if you can't, if you can't find inspiration with regular people,

2074
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:29,880
then uh, you know, being able to try and swing

2075
02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:32,720
a four hundred pound steal sword or be the be

2076
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:33,439
the way to do it.

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Speaker 6: Fair enough, again. Like I said, check it out. We'll

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be back for more. Felix will be back later. I'm

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gonna I think I'm gonna do a rotating cast of

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different people to come on.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 6: I think that however much we talked about is probably

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too much. I'll have to find a way to break

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it down a little more. But this is my passion.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have to go through like mini arcs or something,

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or go by chapter counts. It's it's a lot to

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try and squeeze an arc and you're certainly not gonna

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do Golden Age or any on a single day.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So anyway, you'll see Felix more. I'll be

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dropping his socials. As far as my stuff, jabur and show, Apple,

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Spotify YouTube. I know I don't normally talk about stuff

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like this, but my long, like two and a half

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hour review of the three Body Problem with luthempar was

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well received, so I figured, you know what, let's do

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more of that and look, an hour of fifty seven

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minutes is pretty good. But check out our sponsor Axios

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me answer

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