WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:04.440 It's interesting, there's a there is a smaller parallel. I mean, 2 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:07.040 what's going on now is unprecedented, I think, but a 3 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:11.599 smaller parallel would be during the Nixon administration. Nixon saw 4 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:14.039 the CIA as part of the of the deep state, 5 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:16.640 like they're against me, and he made a bunch of 6 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:20.359 cuts to CIA that actually came into effect during. 7 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:21.399 The Carter administration. 8 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:27.480 And my point there is that there's like this sort 9 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:31.000 of like story, there's some mystique around it, even about 10 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:34.000 all these laid off CIA officers who went into the 11 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:37.000 private sector and from there it was like the wild 12 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:39.719 West for the for these guys. And it's going to 13 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:44.640 be interesting to see where this generation of you know, 14 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:47.159 disenfranchised intelligence officers end up. 15 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:48.000 I mean, some of them. 16 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:51.640 Will end up working for the Europeans, the Australians, you know, 17 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:53.960 things like that. Some of them might just go over 18 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:54.719 to the other side. 19 00:00:54.759 --> 00:01:11.319 I mean, what's up, everybody. Welcome to another episode of 20 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:14.319 Eyes On. Today's a special one. We got Jack Murphy 21 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:18.000 and Mark poly Moropolis. A lot going on, more fallout 22 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:22.719 from the chaotic meeting in the Oval Office last week. 23 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:26.079 We just found out literally just now before we got 24 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:29.519 on that the US has paused or suspended intel sharing 25 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:32.640 with Ukraine as well as the military aid from the 26 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:33.239 other day. 27 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:37.439 So what's up, guys, Mark, how are you? What are 28 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.400 your thoughts? Okay, before you know, Well, first of all, 29 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.239 it's always dangerous for the Teamhouse and for Eizon to 30 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:46.480 have Jack and I on together because this can now 31 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:50.760 spiral into not only kind of gloom and doom, but 32 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:53.159 also some rage. Now this is great. I'm always happy 33 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:55.120 to be back, but I want to say thank you guys. 34 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:58.159 I received a package in the mail yesterday and my 35 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:00.280 wife is like, what is this, Like I fucking car 36 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:04.959 letter bomb. No, it was two T shirts appropriately double 37 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:08.199 extra large because I'm fat from the team house. So 38 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:11.000 thank you guys. I will wear them proudly. I am honored. 39 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:15.319 Love it great, great, I mean, who doesn't love like 40 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:19.919 you know, bling good swag, sag swag. So thank you, 41 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:24.680 Thank you both very much, our pleasure. Good show. 42 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:27.319 That was great, just a little quick merch plug. I 43 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:35.719 loved it. So yeah, back to reality unfortunately. Yeah, this morning, 44 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.159 I guess it just popped off that the US is 45 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:41.240 uh cut the cut the flow of intel into Ukraine, 46 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:43.319 which is insane to me. I feel like the next 47 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:46.800 the next step is Starling probably. 48 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:49.599 Oh yeah, and so but one key thing on this, 49 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.000 just for the kind of the This will probably come 50 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:53.840 out in a couple hours or maybe tomorrow, but just 51 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:57.240 you know, that story is confirmed. I'm hearing from all 52 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:00.439 my contacts, both in the government and on the Ukrainian 53 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:04.080 side that the intel has been has been stopped. There's 54 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:08.360 some confusion, not confusion. There's some discrepancy on whether it 55 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:13.319 was targets inside Russia or cutting off the INTEL targets 56 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:17.039 against Russian forces inside Ukraine. But the bottom line is 57 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:19.960 I think that that is confirmed. And John Ratcliffe, the 58 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.360 CI director, just went on Fox just this morning and 59 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:25.199 then said the same. So this is you know, I 60 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:29.120 think this is something that I was dreading happening after 61 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:33.199 the cessation of military aid. But it really does kind 62 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.759 of put this in perspective. And Jack will understand because 63 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:37.879 it's not just on the Ukrainian battlefield that Jack, you 64 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:40.039 might be able to address this in a much more 65 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.800 professional manner than I would based on your background. But overall, 66 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:48.120 I mean, our durability and credibility as an intelligence partner globally, 67 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:51.759 I think is going to take a hit. So you know, again, 68 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.840 there's there's never a bottom, and I think we're still 69 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:59.159 plumbing downward. But Jack, welcome your thoughts on the military 70 00:03:59.159 --> 00:03:59.759 effects of this. 71 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:05.560 Well, I mean it's gonna put definitely put Ukraine on 72 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:10.400 their back foot, and I don't I'm like you. I mean, 73 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.159 I'm trying to understand or like search for some sort 74 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.759 of like logic or sense behind some of these decisions, uh, 75 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:22.240 but can't find them. You know, Russia is has within 76 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:26.800 put a basically on the ropes their economy is creating. 77 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:29.920 It's it's a position that we've never really had the 78 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.399 upper hand on them like this before, and I don't 79 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:37.240 know why we would sacrifice that advantage in this era 80 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.959 of you know, pure near peer competition or whatever the 81 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:45.800 hell we want to call it new Cold War. So, yeah, 82 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:49.519 it's a it's a mess obviously for Ukraine, but as 83 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:51.839 you point out, Mark, it signals to the entire rest 84 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.959 of the world that we're not reliable, that you can't 85 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.120 work with us. And you know, there's some thought that 86 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:02.319 the reason why we fought so hard in Vietnam, sort 87 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:06.759 of a somewhat obscure country in Southeast Asia at the 88 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.519 time that not many Americans had ever heard of the 89 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:11.680 reason why we fought there so hard was because we 90 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:16.000 were trying to prove to Europe specifically that we were 91 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:20.079 willing to stand up to communism. Right now, what we're 92 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.120 doing in Ukraine doing this like heel turn on them, 93 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:28.519 it signals something to Taiwan, it signals something to our 94 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:32.079 partners in Europe, and also our partners closer to home, 95 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.399 such as Canada that just got slapped with a twenty 96 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:38.120 five percent tariff just yesterday. 97 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.160 I think one of the things is that, you know, 98 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:44.519 the little I say, I wake, I get up early. 99 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:46.759 I got up at five in the morning. Often I 100 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:48.399 have to do TV at that time too, so I'll 101 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.480 kind of roll into my computer and I'll do it 102 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:53.839 a hit on MSNBC. But you know, every morning there's 103 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.959 three or four different stories which are kind of head spinning, 104 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:02.160 and then that only is based on that day, because 105 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:04.279 because just twenty four hours earlier there were three or 106 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:06.920 four stories that also were head spinning. So it's you know, 107 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.480 the news cycle is such that there are really significant 108 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:15.480 ramifications for these national security for these moves by the administration. 109 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:17.800 But I don't even know if we have time to 110 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.639 even kind of do a deep dive or dissect because 111 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:23.759 it's just eclipsed by something else, the cessation of military 112 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:29.759 now this isation of intelligence sharing. Yeah, you know it's 113 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.079 but you're right, it's intentional. I mean, isn't Isn't that 114 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:34.759 the what Steve Bannon talked about? What was it his zone? 115 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:41.439 Yeah, it's also following the playbook of that weirdo Curtis 116 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:44.879 Yarvin who came up his whole plan to like break 117 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:48.519 the government. And they're pretty much following it. They're following 118 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:52.560 the game plan. I saw today one another one of 119 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:56.279 those head spinning stories. Veterans Affairs intends to lay off 120 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:01.199 eighty nine thousand employees this year, which is pretty wild. 121 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:07.680 VA is a big organization. It's funded almost or has 122 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:10.680 been funded. We'll see how long that holds out, uh, 123 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:13.279 to the tune of almost three hundred billion dollars a year. 124 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.720 And you know, there are a lot of complaints about VA, 125 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:21.240 but that organization has also come quite a long way 126 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:24.519 in the last twenty years thanks you know, a lot 127 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:28.399 of it thanks to public and congressional pressure that people 128 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:31.680 are like fix this, like because they feel that veterans 129 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:35.120 deserve better care, you know, especially all the things that 130 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:37.199 we're you know, people were hearing about the g WAT 131 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:40.000 veterans twenty two a day, and all this sort of 132 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.600 stuff did have an impact. And I'm I have a 133 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.279 number of friends who are veterans who work at VA 134 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:50.759 in different capacities, in different parts of the country, and 135 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:53.120 they're already impacted by this. 136 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:56.319 When I was telling. 137 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:59.519 You earlier, Mark, I mean, it's a little hard for 138 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:02.920 me to rasp or understand. Like, if you go and 139 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:08.439 log onto Facebook right now, all I see is retirees, 140 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:13.439 military retirees just cheering this on, right, and they will 141 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:15.560 tell you with a straight face. All these were all 142 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:19.439 DEI hires. They were all woke. We're cutting the fat, 143 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:21.560 We're getting rid of unnecessary spending. 144 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:23.000 Hey, don't worry. 145 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.120 This isn't going to affect anything as far as veterans care. 146 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.199 It's like, oh, where are we going here? I'm all 147 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:35.200 about trimming some fat. But yeah, if you're like, if 148 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:38.559 you're like firing the McKinsey consultants or something, sure, but 149 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:41.480 they're firing like the therapists and people. 150 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:44.120 Who actually work there. This is madness. I mean again, 151 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:46.120 it's I think it's part of the disinformation bubble. I'm 152 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.559 sorry this is the bullshit on Fox News. I mean, 153 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:50.799 I have friends who work there, but you know, it's 154 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.039 it's you know, if you turn on Fox News, you 155 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.519 don't hear about any of the pain. You know, This administration, 156 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:59.759 you know, you know, says it supports veterans, yet it's 157 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.679 crushing them right now with these cuts. This administration says it. 158 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:06.120 You know, you know, there was a touching moment last 159 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:10.559 night on the President's addressed to Congress about a young 160 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.519 cancer patient that you know, kind of got a lot 161 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:17.360 of attention, except they're cutting funding for cancer research and 162 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:22.519 so pediatric cancer research, pediatric cancer. There's the actual truth 163 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:24.879 of what is going on, which is gutting the federal 164 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:29.039 government without any kind of plan looked. I think all 165 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:30.559 of us here in the show would say, sure, there's 166 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.440 a ton of waste in the federal government, but it 167 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:34.440 has to be you know, done in a in a 168 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:39.120 a in a smart, systematic fashion, and then passed by Congress, 169 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.440 which I'm not even doing. Congress they just passed. 170 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.480 A budget in the House that raises the deficit by 171 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:44.879 four hundred billion dollars this year. 172 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:47.799 So it's you know, none of this is all I mean, 173 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:50.919 just as someone you know, uh, you know, Okay, I'm 174 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:53.559 from New Jersey, so deal. You know, you guys Brooklyn 175 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:55.159 and Queen's folks will make fun of me. But you 176 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:58.120 know I wasn't born you know, yesterday. I have kind 177 00:09:58.120 --> 00:09:59.639 of a brain in my head, and so it just 178 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:02.279 it under this makes sense. I mean, you know, it's 179 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:05.720 it's it's the it's the bullshit pr versus actually what's 180 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:08.240 happening on the ground. At some point, perhaps it'll catch 181 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:11.080 up to them. Jack, You're right, that's the former intelligence community. 182 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.360 A lot of folks too, who are on LinkedIn, which 183 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:16.159 I actually got off because I couldn't take it. Who 184 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:19.559 cheerlead or cheerleading all this stuff, and now I'm going 185 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:21.399 to get the audience all pissed off. It's a bunch 186 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:24.639 of old white dudes. It just is. It's old, cranky 187 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:27.120 white guys who are really angry for some reason about 188 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.279 the state of the country or cheering this on. But 189 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:32.559 I think there's there's tangible effects. Let me throw one 190 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:34.039 of the kind of thing out there. I got it. 191 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.960 I got an email, a signal message. Let me be 192 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:40.799 very clear on that, from a case officer CI case 193 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:43.919 officer who on Monday was fired a probationary officer. They're 194 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:47.080 starting to fire probationary officers, but they're doing it based 195 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:50.000 on anyone who had any kind of blip in their file, 196 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:55.320 a security violation, some kind of bad performance appraisal. Every 197 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:57.440 single one of us in the IC would have been fired. 198 00:10:57.440 --> 00:10:59.759 Then I had security violate. You screw up everyone, so 199 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.399 you leave that, you leave the station one time, you 200 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.440 don't spend the lock on your safe in your office, 201 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:08.200 you get a violation. It's it's it's not ever career ending. 202 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:10.440 It's just saying like, hey, tighten your ship up. They're 203 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:15.240 fired now. Uh. And this case officer was absolutely stunned. 204 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:19.799 Someone had gone through language training, spoke fluent Russian, uh, 205 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.759 served uh over there in that part of the world. Uh, 206 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.799 and was less than two years into into their their 207 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.279 probationary status and now they're they've been walked out the 208 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:36.399 door again. These kind of cuts make no sense. And 209 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.039 I think that uh, you know, the only question is 210 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.240 will the American people have ever kind of step up 211 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:44.399 and understand what's happening. 212 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:49.120 Mark, I'd love to ask you if there's a bit 213 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:51.960 of an insider's view you can share with what's going 214 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.720 on with Ratcliffe and C. I A, that's one of 215 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.559 the appointees. Like at least I haven't seen in the 216 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:00.200 news too much or I haven't heard from people know 217 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:04.039 so much yet, like what's going on behind closed doors? 218 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:07.240 Like because I remember during the first Trump administration there's 219 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.759 a lot of concern about Pompeo, but I talked to 220 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.720 people who said he was okay, he wasn't bad as 221 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:16.279 d C. I. 222 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:18.000 I'm one of those people you talked to. I mean, 223 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.639 now it's a that's a radically different administration because there 224 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:24.279 were adults in the room. You had you know, Jim Mattis, 225 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.519 you had various national security advisors, but ultimately AhR McMaster 226 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:32.200 and John Bolton. You had people who would stand up 227 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:36.159 to Trump for kind of his crazy ideas, including Pompeo. Pompeo, 228 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:40.200 who clearly was partisan nonetheless let the Director of Operations 229 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:45.600 do its job and so uh, I think you're right. Uh. 230 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:47.799 And and he was he was visible, you know, he 231 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:49.320 I mean, he actually you know, went to work and 232 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:51.840 you saw him. And I remember in in you know, 233 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:54.399 even in briefings with him, when we asked for something 234 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:56.799 like concurrence to do something, he'd be like, why are 235 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:59.399 you asking me this? Go do it? And that's kind 236 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:03.240 of music to ours from the operation side. I think 237 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.320 this is a different time though, because there are no 238 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:12.000 adults around Trump and so, you know, the best, the 239 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:16.720 best characterization of what I think those in the Pentagon 240 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:21.080 and the intelligence community are feeling now is disoriented. Uh, 241 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:23.399 And that's just you know, it's just there's so much 242 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:28.159 coming at us. And it's both based on policy, such 243 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:30.759 as the abandon of Ukraine, but also that your job security. 244 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:32.399 People don't know if they're going to have a job. 245 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:34.000 I just got a message from a friend of mine 246 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:36.440 from the IC. Hey, I'm going to work. I'll text 247 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:37.919 you later if I have a job when I get 248 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.080 back there is you know, fear is the wrong word 249 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:44.039 because fear is something you use when you're in Afghanistan 250 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:46.919 or a rock and getting shot at. But I think, 251 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:51.320 you know, you know, significant concern is probably better because 252 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:53.039 you don't know if you're gonna have you can pay 253 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:56.039 your bills. You know, people have mortgages, people have health care. 254 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.639 I mean, this officer who just got fired doesn't have 255 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:03.159 health care right now. And so people are extremely nervous 256 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.320 because it's both you know, trimming the fat if you 257 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:08.120 want to call that, you know, with reductions in force 258 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:11.200 at the top, or this idea of getting rid of 259 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:15.919 kind of the lower level employees as well. And so 260 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:17.840 so I think the people in the IC are just 261 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:21.080 disoriented right now, and it's what the jack the thing 262 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:22.919 is that of course nobody, I mean, I hope some 263 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.320 of your viewers listeners will will understand there is no 264 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:29.679 deep state, There's no cabal of people stopping you know, 265 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:32.240 Trump from anything he wants to do. People put their 266 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:34.039 heads down and they just do their job. I mean, Pierre, 267 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:37.120 I literally I had no idea what anyone's political orientation 268 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:42.120 was in my old shop until after I left, I retired. 269 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:43.759 And then I see someone and they turn out to 270 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:45.360 be from the left to the right just because they're 271 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.519 Americans and they can say that. But I think now 272 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.559 there's just there again, there's there's significant worry about the 273 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.360 US role in the world now since we've switched sides 274 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:57.080 to our enemy. Remember, Russia is an enemy of not 275 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.799 only the Nited States of the CIA that is one 276 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:02.159 of our Absolutely, it's not it's not just a competitor, 277 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:05.440 not even adversary. It's an enemy. I mean, Russia put 278 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.639 bounties on US soldiers with the Taliban, they've you know, 279 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:13.320 and they've they've done a tremendous uh you know, harm 280 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:18.039 to to colleagues of mine. Uh So again combination of 281 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.000 we've we've you know, flip sides, but also you know, 282 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:23.480 do I have a job tomorrow. That's not a good mix. 283 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.200 By the way, if you're if you want you know, 284 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:28.039 what I think is, you know, you want our kind 285 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.279 of nation's first line of defense to be kind of 286 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:31.000 at the top of their. 287 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.480 Game, specifically about Ratcliffe. 288 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:35.480 What what are you hearing. 289 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:36.639 About him behind the scenes? 290 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:39.159 Got it? I mean it's I gotta be careful on 291 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:43.200 this exactly. I mean, you know, I think that that 292 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.919 you know, you know what you'd want to see someone? 293 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:47.840 How do I say this in a in a in 294 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:51.240 a more positive light. I think the director and deputy 295 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:54.039 director have to be more visible to the workforce at 296 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:57.320 a time of upheaval, which means doing things like Leon 297 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.559 Panetta used to do, George Tennant used to do, literally 298 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:02.720 go down the affacteria and sit sit down with a 299 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:05.759 unsuspecting case officer analysts and have lunch with them, which 300 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:09.320 happened to me. It's you know, and that's that's really 301 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.120 and I think that was even a scene in zero 302 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:15.840 dark thirty with the character of that stuff used to happen. 303 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.799 So the director of deputy director have to be visible, 304 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:22.159 especially at times of turmoil. So if I would have 305 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.840 any one suggestion, I think they should be more attuned 306 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:30.600 to upheaval in the workforce. I was there. 307 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.679 That was that was that was pretty professional, market held 308 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:34.120 it together. 309 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:37.480 What are your thoughts on the Director of National Intelligence 310 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:42.799 going on news and uh I basically parroting kind of 311 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:45.559 Russian talking points and stuff like that. 312 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:47.799 Well, do I expect you to be up at five 313 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:50.720 am from a MSNBC hits So if you were to 314 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:53.720 have been up yesterday, you would have seen because this 315 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.720 is the only thing I addressed from five until five 316 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:58.600 to fifteen, and then I've actually forgotten it because it 317 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:00.720 was so early and I was so tired. But but look, 318 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.960 this is totally not with what someone uh UH who 319 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.880 role as an intellig intelligence chef should do. So so 320 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:11.519 basically President Zelenski UH gets dressed down by Trump UH 321 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:14.279 in the White House in the Oval office, and what 322 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:17.200 happens usually is the rest of the government then who 323 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.960 has contacts with the Ukrainians will be like, hey, that's 324 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.240 in the political sphere, like things are gonna be okay. 325 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:25.480 That's not what happened because Telsea Gabber then went on 326 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:31.359 Twitter and basically was cheerleading and dissing all overs Zelensky. Uh. 327 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:36.160 That is absolutely against what any kind of professional intelligence 328 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:40.400 chief would do. It's not their role. What should have 329 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:46.319 happened after that is that that the CIA UH and 330 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.720 the Ukrainian side would get together and say, look, our 331 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:52.079 political masters are having a big ship storm, but we're 332 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:53.799 gonna kind of we're gonna, we're gonna work through this. 333 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:56.160 That's just what's done. It. It happened to me when 334 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:59.759 I was at the agency when you know, in Trump won, 335 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.759 when when you know Trump would insult on Gla Merkel, 336 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.359 the you know, the German chancellor in a Twitter rant, 337 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:07.920 and then I'd have to go, you know, men ties 338 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.599 here in Washington with the German intelligence chief. Uh. And 339 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:13.480 so no, that's just what is done. If you think 340 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.039 back to the first Gulf War, I know I'm gonna 341 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:19.240 I'm dating people here, but this is when when King 342 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:22.400 who then King Hussein cided essentially with Saddam Hussein in 343 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:24.440 the invasion of quoit if you remember that. So the 344 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:28.519 Jordanians were quote neutral, but the CIA and the Jordanian 345 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:31.480 General Intelligence direct Director g I D kept the ties open, 346 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:33.920 and King of Dullah, the current king, now credits that 347 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.920 for the current state of US Jordanian ties. They said, hey, 348 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:41.759 I remember you all, CIA, you know, stuck with us 349 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:44.400 under the table. Now this is done on purpose, of course, 350 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:49.359 by design, because you work through those political differences. Telsey 351 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:52.799 Gabbert going on Twitter and cheerleading for you know, Trump's 352 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.599 kind of you know, evisceration of Zelenski absolutely throws that 353 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.680 into question. And I cannot imagine the migrain headache my 354 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.960 old colleagues and the operations director it had realizing they'd 355 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.480 act to note, try to figure out how to unscrew 356 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:07.960 this with the Ukrainian colleagues, and then of course that 357 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:11.960 falls or that now we see today a suspension and 358 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:16.759 intelligence sharing. And so you know, Gabbard is, as I 359 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:19.119 said on TV, so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna 360 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:22.599 try to downplay it here. She was not fit for 361 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.960 the job, and she's acting like a political toady to 362 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.200 Trump and that's just not what her role is. And 363 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.839 that is that actually feeds into all the worries we 364 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:35.640 had about her as the d N. I just a 365 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:39.000 an awful moment. And uh and and this this is 366 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:41.519 just not me talking. This was kind of the you know, 367 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:45.839 my colleagues, the formers, even across the political spectrum. I 368 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.000 had Republican friends who are like, yeah, she really shouldn't 369 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:49.400 have done that. 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