WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.759 You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 2 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:09.199 You can't help when it comes to communication, having a 3 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:13.320 breakdown of communication to say that if there is any 4 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.320 sort of communication, you're gonna have bad communication as well. 5 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:20.600 We've talked about assumptions many times on the show about 6 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.600 how people assume things, and misunderstandings is kind of a 7 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:29.440 smaller category of that. Misunderstandings and communication are those things 8 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:35.200 that happened innocently. Most of the time, you'll do something 9 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:39.320 or someone else will do something, and then you kind 10 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:42.759 of need two halves to this. You need the person 11 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:45.960 sending out the message and the person receiving the message. 12 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:50.000 So the person who sends the message does one thing 13 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:52.640 could be innocently, and then the person that receives the 14 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:57.280 message receives it either partially or inaccurately or what have you. 15 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:00.280 And then you have misunderstandings. And they have been all 16 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.520 over the place. They happen in scripture, of course, and 17 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.760 this breakdown in communication. The reason why it's it's unique 18 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:10.359 and I wanted to point it out is that there 19 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:18.920 is something, there's this great pride that shadows people when 20 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:22.599 it comes to knowing things. Well, I know this or 21 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:26.519 I just know this. And when it comes to knowing 22 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:31.920 the heart of man, you will never be right. There's 23 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:36.719 too much to it. You may have a decent insight 24 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:39.959 and say, okay, well my perception is this, it's this, 25 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:43.400 or it's this, but truly, no one knows the heart 26 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:50.560 of man except God. So one guy says something, the 27 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:53.799 other guy interprets that goes, oh, well, I think this, 28 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:56.799 and no one ever talks just kind of go on 29 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:03.879 and start spreading that misunderstanding. Have you ever seen a 30 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:11.080 fight or a scuffle breakout between siblings when a mother 31 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:16.759 or father is in the room observing everything, and how 32 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:20.120 just the slightest situation, Oh well, he hit me. Well no, 33 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.400 he didn't hit you. I saw the way it went down. 34 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:27.560 He was backing up from getting from the table and 35 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:29.840 backed his chair and you not knowing that you were there, 36 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:34.319 and the kids are so ready to just say no, 37 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:35.280 absolutely not. 38 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:38.240 He bumped into me. He did that on purpose. 39 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:44.919 And how much like children are you when you come 40 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:49.240 to a conclusion that someone has done you wrong without 41 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:57.360 all the facts. And it seems that because detective shows 42 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:01.479 or television shows where people can know all and come 43 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:05.080 to conclusions faster than anybody else, because all things are 44 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:10.520 solved in the twenty two minute half hour of a 45 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:14.000 television program, or of course in forty five minutes should 46 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:17.280 they have commercial breaks, and it'd be an hour. But 47 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:20.479 that's just not the way life is not. Everything's going 48 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:23.360 to be so cut and dry, and there's confusion in life. 49 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.520 And communication is of a very wonderful and delicate art 50 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:33.319 at times. But if you look at the workplace and 51 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:36.800 even the home and the relationships you're in, how easy 52 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:44.919 it is to be misunderstood. And through this misunderstanding, something 53 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:49.439 get buried and then pushed on to someone else, and 54 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:51.120 then they push it on to someone else, and then 55 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.520 they push it onto someone else, and it becomes becomes 56 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:59.360 fact just by populous, and scripture is not keen on 57 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:04.599 that specifically. A scripture says in Matthew eighteen fifteen that 58 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:07.599 if you have an issue of any kind, you're to 59 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:11.080 go to that person and you're to explain your issue, 60 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.639 and you're going to let them defend themselves or explain 61 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:20.560 or learn from what they did wrong. But it doesn't 62 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:25.639 seem to be in fashion, It doesn't seem to be 63 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:34.839 in vogue to give somebody the opportunity to correct themselves, 64 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:37.800 and so someone will go running off with a misunderstanding. 65 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:43.399 Happens all the time corporate America. The perception you hear 66 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:46.399 somebody say part of a sentence, or you see somebody 67 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:52.560 do something. Just the other day, I saw two people 68 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:56.959 coming out of one of the studios at the radio station, 69 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.399 and they were in a conversation prior to being in 70 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:05.480 the studio, and then continued it as they left the 71 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:13.079 studio in a whisper fashion. And the automatic assumption is that, oh, 72 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.240 they must be talking about the person that they just 73 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:18.639 saw in the studio. That makes sense, they're leaving the 74 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.279 place whispering had nothing to do with the person in 75 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:29.160 the studio. I see people in the grocery store who 76 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:32.839 watch somebody who gets in front of them, and they 77 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:34.720 think that the person is doing that on purpose, when 78 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:37.439 an actuality, the person didn't see them or was confused 79 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:40.279 by the way the line is set. And these little 80 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.240 misunderstandings may not seem like a big deal to you, 81 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:48.959 but what ends up happening is either hurt feelings come 82 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:55.519 from that, or anger festers up because somebody feels that 83 00:05:55.560 --> 00:06:01.399 they've been done wrong, Or what happens is somebody will 84 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.480 defend themselves in their own mind if they perceive somebody 85 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.199 as doing something to them by starting some sort of 86 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:10.079 war with that person, whether it be behind the scenes 87 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:14.000 or spreading rumors or what have you. And these misunderstandings 88 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:21.839 can be ugly and damaging. You'd be surprised how much 89 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:26.040 you don't know about the people around you. And so 90 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:28.279 that's part of the beauty of getting to know one another. 91 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:33.639 This spreads in so much. I see wonderful relationships wobbling 92 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:41.759 or taking on horrible, horrible pain because of misunderstandings, and 93 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:45.839 because of people's fear of being rejected. They may not 94 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:50.439 be you may not be very prone to ask the 95 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:54.759 tough questions or to you know, really find out if 96 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:58.800 something's going on or if there's a concern. Maybe you 97 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:03.639 don't want to know, but scripture is clear, you go 98 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.720 to one another and you talk about these things. The 99 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:10.639 majority of the problems that come from miscommunication going to 100 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:14.519 be cleared up very quickly. The secondary problem is that 101 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:20.199 nobody believes anybody anymore. So even when you try and 102 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:25.759 correct things, it seems that it gets oh okay, yeah, 103 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:28.560 but I still don't believe them, And I'm not sure 104 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.720 why this says, I'm not sure why once you have 105 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.839 something locked inside you you have some idea of how 106 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:38.519 it went down, that you believe that that's the only 107 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:45.120 way it could go down. This is all throughout scripture. 108 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:48.439 There's tons of things in scripture that have that the 109 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:54.000 attitude of misunderstanding. There's things that are taught in scripture 110 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:58.360 that people were taught wrong growing up, and I still 111 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:03.199 assume that it's in scripture. I hear arguments all the time. 112 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:05.199 You've heard them on this very program where people will 113 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:08.079 call up and say, oh, well, that's because you know 114 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:15.160 the apple that Eve ate there wasn't an apple. It 115 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.279 doesn't say anything about an apple. It says fruit. Not 116 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.639 a very big misunderstanding, but some people can be I've 117 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.360 heard arguments saying, oh, well, I heard that the Garden 118 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:29.480 of Eden was in Palestine, and that's not possible they 119 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:33.679 don't have apples. But yeah, all kinds of a lot 120 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.120 of assumptions that someone has to to swallow first before 121 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.960 they can even make that argument. In logic, they call 122 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.759 it a straw man argument. When you build and imagine 123 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:49.960 like a scarecrow. You build a false argument, this false person, 124 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.879 and then you torch the person. They say, well, that's fine, 125 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:57.240 but that's not even that's not even a real person. 126 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:58.639 That person's made out of straw. 127 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.360 And there's much that in scripture where somebody will say, oh, well, 128 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:04.879 there was two of each animal on the arc. No, 129 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:08.960 there were pairs. Sometimes there were more than two of 130 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.080 each animal. And people say things like Jonah and the 131 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:17.960 whale doesn't say whale, says big fish, and different things, 132 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:20.919 different stories that you know, there was three wise men. No, 133 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.879 it doesn't say three wise men, says the magi. There 134 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:27.320 was three gifts. So the assumption is it's three, but 135 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:32.960 not necessarily. You know, people think about the image of 136 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:34.799 an angel and what an angel looks like or what 137 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.559 an angel has and the one pair of wings and 138 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:41.960 the harp and the singing, and you're not going to 139 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:47.000 find that in scripture. So there's things that get built 140 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:51.399 in throughout history or time and the assumption is this 141 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:53.919 is what scripture says or what have you. And there's 142 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:58.639 those types of misunderstandings and all in all, the important 143 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:02.279 thing to do in every case where you think that you. 144 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:05.919 Might just on one tiny little. 145 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:09.000 Point might be wrong, just take the time to research 146 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:15.200 and take the time to talk it out, Tom, Welcome 147 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.879 to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, you've been so patient. 148 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:22.240 I recognize that you called last week as well, and 149 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:25.000 you did not get on. I'm so grateful that you are. 150 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:28.000 You are patient enough because your call was one that 151 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:28.519 touched me. 152 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:31.200 Well, keep what's going on. 153 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:36.840 As the word says, keep seeking and keep knocking. I 154 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.960 was a pastor for twenty one years. Eighteen years ago, 155 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:47.279 though I committed adultery, I did leave the ministry. I repented, 156 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:52.480 I built bridges. I haven't pastored for eighteen years now. 157 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.440 I'm still with my dear wife of thirty eight years. 158 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.399 But now I have a chance to go back into 159 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.840 the pastorate. But something nagging at me because biblically am 160 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.919 I permanently disqualified? Or or do I have a chance 161 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:15.679 at restoration? Since for the overseer he is to be 162 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:20.360 blameless and above reproach. And so I am struggling with Biblically, 163 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:22.159 can I be a pastor again? 164 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:29.039 There is nothing, there's nothing in scripture that grants that 165 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.559 wish as it were. I know you're looking for a 166 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:40.559 different answer, Tom, And the pastor and and and standing 167 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:43.879 before people in that context is one of great weight 168 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.159 and one that comes up obviously in scripture, as you 169 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:51.679 quote Uh and Timothy and Titus. 170 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:54.440 Chuckswindall. 171 00:11:55.120 --> 00:12:00.360 UH, well known author and pastor himself once said that 172 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.600 talking about this very issue, that it takes only one 173 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:08.679 pin to burst a balloon. And I know that the 174 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:14.759 world continually gets more relaxed with things and less offended 175 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:18.720 by things, and therefore they start to go, oh, well, 176 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:20.440 you know you should be more relaxed on this. And 177 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:22.279 I know you've seen a lot of TV preachers that 178 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:25.399 have fallen away or had situation then just get restored 179 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:28.879 right back, and really that all that does is make 180 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.120 Christianity more of a laughing stock. That doesn't mean that 181 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:35.039 there aren't things for you to do. There aren't wonderful 182 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:37.720 places for you to be in the church and things 183 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:40.960 that you can participate in. But it asks that of 184 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:47.440 Scripture specifically, because that's the mindset that a pastor has 185 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:51.480 to be in to be in that place being above reproach. 186 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:53.279 And it doesn't mean that you can't teach or there 187 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:56.759 aren't ways to teach. I'm gonna ask you to put 188 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:58.879 stay on hold, Tom because I want to talk to 189 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:02.279 you just after this quick uh, this quick break, but 190 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:04.360 I want to talk to you more about what that 191 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:06.720 means and some things that you may be able to 192 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:09.320 do that would fulfill that calling. 193 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:15.799 Tom, thanks for holding on. 194 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.440 Bumper music but brought me to my knees. 195 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:20.919 That was. 196 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:24.080 Seemed to speak to my heart. 197 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:28.840 That's that's why we have someone like Tony with us 198 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:32.039 to help orchestrate those moments as we go in and 199 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:36.759 out that emphasize with modern and older music as to 200 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:39.159 what's going on in people's lives. And right now, Tom, 201 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.840 you stand before your God as someone who has you 202 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:47.039 think of it this way, you're not being It's not punitive. 203 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:48.879 When I when I. 204 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:51.360 Tell you that if you're a pastor and you fall 205 00:13:51.440 --> 00:14:00.159 away from the standard of of leadership, the confused us 206 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:02.759 lies in Christians going, well, shouldn't we forgive? 207 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:03.679 Absolutely? 208 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:09.159 But this kind of earlsheibe one day paint job mentality 209 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:15.000 is great for a car, but not for restoring a 210 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:20.840 pastor to leadership. And that's become kind of the. 211 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:20.240 The set pacing. 212 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:22.120 Well, if you give him a year off and we 213 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:25.440 kind of brush him up, get the dings out, repaint 214 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:27.519 them and put them back behind the pulpit, everything's going 215 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.879 to be fine. But I'll tell you something my producer 216 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:33.759 Neil I thought about ministry at one time. 217 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:38.840 Not a good enough guy. Knew it right out. 218 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:42.799 He's just not a good enough guy, and and knew 219 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:46.720 that all it would do is bring problems to God. 220 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:51.879 And so if you're if you're going to stand before 221 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:56.480 God that way, Tom and lead people, you've you've got 222 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:58.759 to be in a different category and you've got to 223 00:14:58.799 --> 00:14:59.799 be created for it. 224 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:00.879 Now. 225 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:02.559 Paul knew this. 226 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:07.600 Paul knew that if there were any problems, he would 227 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:10.559 be disqualified. Listen to his words in one Corinthians nine 228 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:15.279 twenty seven. He said, I disciplined my body. I discipline 229 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:19.679 my body and make it my slave, so that after 230 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:23.759 I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified. 231 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.559 And that's, you know, with the context of Paul, obviously, 232 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.639 that's dealing with sexual sin and the concern of that 233 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:40.600 being a problem. And you, you, in that moment when 234 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:45.240 you had that affair, you in that moment, said that 235 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:49.120 that woman, that orgasm, that sexual contact was more important 236 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:54.279 than your wife, than your own word and commitment, and 237 00:15:54.320 --> 00:16:05.559 your God, you forfeit. You made the decision. You God 238 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:10.879 told you what the rules were, and you agreed to them, 239 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:15.360 and you forfeited that. I hope it was a great orgasm, 240 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:22.519 because that was that you forfeited, that, you gave that 241 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.080 up and you walked away from it. Now, that doesn't 242 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:29.399 mean God hates you. God still loves you. The Church 243 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:34.159 once loves you and wants you in the church. But 244 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:41.120 this kind of revolving door can be a problem, especially 245 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.720 to non believers, and believers just end up going oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 246 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:48.679 and they hear the teacher at the pulpit and they go, oh, well, 247 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:50.399 it's not a big deal, you know. And it's not 248 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:53.639 that you can't be human, but you got to be 249 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:57.799 above reproach. You've got to be standing above those things. 250 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:02.360 You have to be a good husband and a righteous man. 251 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:06.799 And that's the core problem. 252 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:07.279 With the church. 253 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.920 Is that they look for dynamic speakers, good writers, somebody 254 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.839 who can publish books, someone who can sing well play guitar, 255 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.359 and that's and none of those things are mentioned in scripture, 256 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:20.480 none of them. 257 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.160 And yet you gave Peter a second chance. 258 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:28.240 It's not about second chances Peter. Peter denied in fear. 259 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:36.960 But Peter didn't, in that state of authority sleep with 260 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:44.519 someone sexual sin. You know this in scripture is set 261 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:49.720 apart and as a siner gets the body and that 262 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:54.079 and culturally that tends to kind of fall by the wayside. 263 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:57.519 You can look for excuses, Tom, Yeah, and you'll find 264 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:00.920 them in every nook and cranny of life. You will 265 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:03.559 find And I know that the assumption is, oh, well, 266 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.119 you know what, there's this this show they call it 267 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:10.559 Jesus Christ show. They've got to have liberal theology. No, 268 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:13.599 that is the That is the one reason why I'm 269 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:20.359 here is in hopes of one letting the legalists that 270 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:25.160 are just you know, trying to to crush the spirit 271 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.079 of Christianity know that I'm out there watching, and two 272 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:32.559 to let the those that are liberal in their theology 273 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:34.359 know that I'm out there watching. 274 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:37.920 Well, I always used to say, an excuse there's only 275 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.240 a skin of a reason wrapped in a lie. So 276 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.039 I'm not looking for any excuses. 277 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:43.680 And that's a beautiful way to say it. 278 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:46.359 You've got You've got your lovely wife who has been 279 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:49.039 who has been wonderful enough to forgive you through all 280 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:50.240 of this and to stand by you. 281 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:51.000 That's amazing. 282 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:55.480 You should be received into the body and uh, you 283 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:59.240 should participate in the church and enjoy the church. And 284 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:05.920 uh be brought back into fellowship, but not as a pastor. 285 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:09.279 There's nothing in scripture that's going to say that nothing. 286 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:11.279 And I know that's hard line, and I know people 287 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:13.640 will have problems with it, and people are going to say, 288 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:15.400 but I went through this and now I'm a But 289 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.640 it doesn't matter if you do that. In that moment, 290 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:23.759 you tell God, I want this instant, I want this romance, 291 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:26.720 I want this physical sensation. I want this more than 292 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:29.519 I want you. And this position that you called me 293 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:35.759 to you and you give it up, you had the 294 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:39.440 strength to not do it, and you chose not to. 295 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:41.720 There's a lot of sins you fall into in life 296 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:44.279 because they're around you in the way it is and 297 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.240 getting upset. I mean, if you were dealing with with 298 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.759 certain other attributes, it's not like you were gluttonous and 299 00:19:52.759 --> 00:20:01.480 you've lost the weight. Now this is something specific, and 300 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:03.119 I know that that stinks and it's not what you 301 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.960 wanted to hear. But the reason why you should seek leadership, 302 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:09.200 the reason. 303 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:10.839 Why you should seek God. 304 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.440 Is because you respect it, because you're good at it, 305 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:17.559 you're comfortable doing it, or you liked it and you 306 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:21.240 received a lot from it. And people seem to like 307 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:24.880 when you say that's not it. I see these little, 308 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:29.240 these small little churches, Tom, with twenty families in them, 309 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:35.519 and the pastor doesn't speak that well, but boy he 310 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:39.559 loves God, and boy he knows scripture, and they're small 311 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:43.519 little churches. And then you get these slick churches, and 312 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:46.400 not all the large ones are slick, but you know 313 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:51.160 the difference. Slick churches with everything right and everything is 314 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:53.519 going smoothly, and they get massive and people think that 315 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:59.079 that's where God is because they're massive. Again, because I'm 316 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.119 gonna get emails people getting confused. I'm not saying that 317 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.720 a mega church or a very large churches is not 318 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:07.960 a church of God. I'm saying there's a difference. But 319 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:10.839 to just look at those appearances and say ones of 320 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:13.119 God because it's large, and ones not of God because 321 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:16.119 it's small. And all these different excuses people make about 322 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:17.960 what a pastor should. 323 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:19.279 Be and what shouldn't and all of these things. 324 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:22.200 No Scripture says, and it's very specific, and you knew 325 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.359 that going into it, Tom, and you could quote it to. 326 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:25.519 Me today. 327 00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:30.559 And you said, for that moment, that time, however long 328 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:35.000 the affair lasted, that it didn't matter. You said, I 329 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.680 don't care, I want this and I want it now, 330 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:45.680 and you got it. Thank Heaven that your wife is 331 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:51.599 a godly woman who allowed you back into the marital 332 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:58.359 bed and in her life. You should count your blessings there. 333 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.759 And it doesn't mean that you can't write about your experiences, 334 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:06.599 that you can't use it to be a teaching tool. 335 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:11.759 That you'll never use any of your abilities for God 336 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.680 is a silly statement. But you can't do that anymore 337 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:22.920 because if you do that, as it says in scripture, 338 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:27.680 you crucify me twice. If you do that, you stand 339 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:32.839 and it doesn't show the glory of forgiveness. It shows 340 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:38.319 that nobody's watching the church and nobody cares. And it's 341 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:39.279 beyond just. 342 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:42.119 Being human. 343 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:47.599 It was decisive, wouldn't you say, Tom, you made a 344 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:52.160 decision to do that. Yes, And aren't you man enough 345 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:57.319 both as a human and a Christian to receive those 346 00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:59.200 consequences as they stand here on earth? 347 00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:02.279 I would hope. 348 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:04.680 So, Well, then why. 349 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:08.960 Don't you move forward with that? An opportunity doesn't mean 350 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.240 it's a good one just because it exists. There are 351 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:13.680 Christians that ask the other Christians to do things all 352 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:17.680 the time. That may not be good for them. The 353 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:21.119 hope is that you have your own set of tools 354 00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:24.359 for discernment and the ability to go Nope, this isn't 355 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:30.119 right for me, because you know, one Christian can say 356 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:31.920 you want to come over, I'm having a wine tasting 357 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:34.559 and it's not a problem for them, and it's not 358 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:38.920 a sin. Yet you're asking an alcoholic a Christian and 359 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.039 for them it would be a sin to participate in. 360 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:46.880 You can't slap the face of God on this one, Tom, 361 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:48.599 and I know that's not what you were looking for. 362 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:54.039 And you were so very brave and you know to 363 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:56.920 take the time and to call and to share those 364 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:01.000 things and to explain what you've gone through. But I 365 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:04.559 think that the church waivers far too much on certain things. 366 00:24:05.079 --> 00:24:08.599 And as I said, you know, my producer Neil couldn't 367 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:10.319 live up to what it takes to be a pastor, 368 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:15.279 which is why he's not and why he's got to 369 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:24.519 participate in a show like this too, hopefully show his 370 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:34.559 own love for God. Susan, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 371 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:37.000 I just want to start by saying thank you very 372 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.799 much for your show. I really appreciate it and I 373 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:41.799 learn a lot from it, so I look forward to 374 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:42.400 it every week. 375 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:44.480 Oh, you're very nice, thanks for joining us. 376 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:48.440 Okay, I have a question. I have two parts to it. 377 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:52.200 I hope it doesn't seem too foolish, but I wonder 378 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:56.279 the Bible says we are wonderfully and fearfully made. I 379 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:01.279 wondered if there's any spiritual connection or significant to men 380 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:06.640 and beards. Okay, And I have two questions to questions 381 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.279 religious that Number one, why did God create men to 382 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:13.920 have beards? You know, he careered they were created that 383 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.000 way when all they do is shave it off. And 384 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.480 then the main reason is my son decided to go 385 00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:23.160 a beard, and I just thought, like most guys, he 386 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.440 wanted to just give his face a rest from shaving 387 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:29.680 every day. But when I asked him, I was very 388 00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:32.640 surprised to hear his answer. He said he did some 389 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:38.160 research on it, and in Bible times the only men 390 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:43.119 that were bare faced, as he says, were eunuchs and gays, 391 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.599 and so he said, I will never be bear faced again. 392 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:49.839 And I was thought very strange, And I was just 393 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:55.559 wondering if you had any any thoughts on that. 394 00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.000 Not true on a lot of different levels. And there's 395 00:25:59.039 --> 00:25:59.480 so much. 396 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:01.359 Unfortun we're not going to have time to get through 397 00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:03.640 all of it, so I'll cut right to the chase. 398 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:08.119 That the reason why there's beards is because the bodies 399 00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:13.079 are adaptable. The bodies are adaptive to their surroundings, and 400 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:16.559 body hair is part of that process. That's why you 401 00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:19.359