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Speaker 2: You can't help when it comes to communication, having a
Speaker 2: breakdown of communication to say that if there is any
Speaker 2: sort of communication, you're gonna have bad communication as well.
Speaker 2: We've talked about assumptions many times on the show about
Speaker 2: how people assume things, and misunderstandings is kind of a
Speaker 2: smaller category of that. Misunderstandings and communication are those things
Speaker 2: that happened innocently. Most of the time, you'll do something
Speaker 2: or someone else will do something, and then you kind
Speaker 2: of need two halves to this. You need the person
Speaker 2: sending out the message and the person receiving the message.
Speaker 2: So the person who sends the message does one thing
Speaker 2: could be innocently, and then the person that receives the
Speaker 2: message receives it either partially or inaccurately or what have you.
Speaker 2: And then you have misunderstandings. And they have been all
Speaker 2: over the place. They happen in scripture, of course, and
Speaker 2: this breakdown in communication. The reason why it's it's unique
Speaker 2: and I wanted to point it out is that there
Speaker 2: is something, there's this great pride that shadows people when
Speaker 2: it comes to knowing things. Well, I know this or
Speaker 2: I just know this. And when it comes to knowing
Speaker 2: the heart of man, you will never be right. There's
Speaker 2: too much to it. You may have a decent insight
Speaker 2: and say, okay, well my perception is this, it's this,
Speaker 2: or it's this, but truly, no one knows the heart
Speaker 2: of man except God. So one guy says something, the
Speaker 2: other guy interprets that goes, oh, well, I think this,
Speaker 2: and no one ever talks just kind of go on
Speaker 2: and start spreading that misunderstanding. Have you ever seen a
Speaker 2: fight or a scuffle breakout between siblings when a mother
Speaker 2: or father is in the room observing everything, and how
Speaker 2: just the slightest situation, Oh well, he hit me. Well no,
Speaker 2: he didn't hit you. I saw the way it went down.
Speaker 2: He was backing up from getting from the table and
Speaker 2: backed his chair and you not knowing that you were there,
Speaker 2: and the kids are so ready to just say no,
Speaker 2: absolutely not.
Speaker 1: He bumped into me. He did that on purpose.
Speaker 2: And how much like children are you when you come
Speaker 2: to a conclusion that someone has done you wrong without
Speaker 2: all the facts. And it seems that because detective shows
Speaker 2: or television shows where people can know all and come
Speaker 2: to conclusions faster than anybody else, because all things are
Speaker 2: solved in the twenty two minute half hour of a
Speaker 2: television program, or of course in forty five minutes should
Speaker 2: they have commercial breaks, and it'd be an hour. But
Speaker 2: that's just not the way life is not. Everything's going
Speaker 2: to be so cut and dry, and there's confusion in life.
Speaker 2: And communication is of a very wonderful and delicate art
Speaker 2: at times. But if you look at the workplace and
Speaker 2: even the home and the relationships you're in, how easy
Speaker 2: it is to be misunderstood. And through this misunderstanding, something
Speaker 2: get buried and then pushed on to someone else, and
Speaker 2: then they push it on to someone else, and then
Speaker 2: they push it onto someone else, and it becomes becomes
Speaker 2: fact just by populous, and scripture is not keen on
Speaker 2: that specifically. A scripture says in Matthew eighteen fifteen that
Speaker 2: if you have an issue of any kind, you're to
Speaker 2: go to that person and you're to explain your issue,
Speaker 2: and you're going to let them defend themselves or explain
Speaker 2: or learn from what they did wrong. But it doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to be in fashion, It doesn't seem to be
Speaker 2: in vogue to give somebody the opportunity to correct themselves,
Speaker 2: and so someone will go running off with a misunderstanding.
Speaker 2: Happens all the time corporate America. The perception you hear
Speaker 2: somebody say part of a sentence, or you see somebody
Speaker 2: do something. Just the other day, I saw two people
Speaker 2: coming out of one of the studios at the radio station,
Speaker 2: and they were in a conversation prior to being in
Speaker 2: the studio, and then continued it as they left the
Speaker 2: studio in a whisper fashion. And the automatic assumption is that, oh,
Speaker 2: they must be talking about the person that they just
Speaker 2: saw in the studio. That makes sense, they're leaving the
Speaker 2: place whispering had nothing to do with the person in
Speaker 2: the studio. I see people in the grocery store who
Speaker 2: watch somebody who gets in front of them, and they
Speaker 2: think that the person is doing that on purpose, when
Speaker 2: an actuality, the person didn't see them or was confused
Speaker 2: by the way the line is set. And these little
Speaker 2: misunderstandings may not seem like a big deal to you,
Speaker 2: but what ends up happening is either hurt feelings come
Speaker 2: from that, or anger festers up because somebody feels that
Speaker 2: they've been done wrong, Or what happens is somebody will
Speaker 2: defend themselves in their own mind if they perceive somebody
Speaker 2: as doing something to them by starting some sort of
Speaker 2: war with that person, whether it be behind the scenes
Speaker 2: or spreading rumors or what have you. And these misunderstandings
Speaker 2: can be ugly and damaging. You'd be surprised how much
Speaker 2: you don't know about the people around you. And so
Speaker 2: that's part of the beauty of getting to know one another.
Speaker 2: This spreads in so much. I see wonderful relationships wobbling
Speaker 2: or taking on horrible, horrible pain because of misunderstandings, and
Speaker 2: because of people's fear of being rejected. They may not
Speaker 2: be you may not be very prone to ask the
Speaker 2: tough questions or to you know, really find out if
Speaker 2: something's going on or if there's a concern. Maybe you
Speaker 2: don't want to know, but scripture is clear, you go
Speaker 2: to one another and you talk about these things. The
Speaker 2: majority of the problems that come from miscommunication going to
Speaker 2: be cleared up very quickly. The secondary problem is that
Speaker 2: nobody believes anybody anymore. So even when you try and
Speaker 2: correct things, it seems that it gets oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I still don't believe them, And I'm not sure
Speaker 2: why this says, I'm not sure why once you have
Speaker 2: something locked inside you you have some idea of how
Speaker 2: it went down, that you believe that that's the only
Speaker 2: way it could go down. This is all throughout scripture.
Speaker 2: There's tons of things in scripture that have that the
Speaker 2: attitude of misunderstanding. There's things that are taught in scripture
Speaker 2: that people were taught wrong growing up, and I still
Speaker 2: assume that it's in scripture. I hear arguments all the time.
Speaker 2: You've heard them on this very program where people will
Speaker 2: call up and say, oh, well, that's because you know
Speaker 2: the apple that Eve ate there wasn't an apple. It
Speaker 2: doesn't say anything about an apple. It says fruit. Not
Speaker 2: a very big misunderstanding, but some people can be I've
Speaker 2: heard arguments saying, oh, well, I heard that the Garden
Speaker 2: of Eden was in Palestine, and that's not possible they
Speaker 2: don't have apples. But yeah, all kinds of a lot
Speaker 2: of assumptions that someone has to to swallow first before
Speaker 2: they can even make that argument. In logic, they call
Speaker 2: it a straw man argument. When you build and imagine
Speaker 2: like a scarecrow. You build a false argument, this false person,
Speaker 2: and then you torch the person. They say, well, that's fine,
Speaker 2: but that's not even that's not even a real person.
Speaker 1: That person's made out of straw.
Speaker 2: And there's much that in scripture where somebody will say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: there was two of each animal on the arc. No,
Speaker 2: there were pairs. Sometimes there were more than two of
Speaker 2: each animal. And people say things like Jonah and the
Speaker 2: whale doesn't say whale, says big fish, and different things,
Speaker 2: different stories that you know, there was three wise men. No,
Speaker 2: it doesn't say three wise men, says the magi. There
Speaker 2: was three gifts. So the assumption is it's three, but
Speaker 2: not necessarily. You know, people think about the image of
Speaker 2: an angel and what an angel looks like or what
Speaker 2: an angel has and the one pair of wings and
Speaker 2: the harp and the singing, and you're not going to
Speaker 2: find that in scripture. So there's things that get built
Speaker 2: in throughout history or time and the assumption is this
Speaker 2: is what scripture says or what have you. And there's
Speaker 2: those types of misunderstandings and all in all, the important
Speaker 2: thing to do in every case where you think that you.
Speaker 1: Might just on one tiny little.
Speaker 2: Point might be wrong, just take the time to research
Speaker 2: and take the time to talk it out, Tom, Welcome
Speaker 2: to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, you've been so patient.
Speaker 2: I recognize that you called last week as well, and
Speaker 2: you did not get on. I'm so grateful that you are.
Speaker 2: You are patient enough because your call was one that
Speaker 2: touched me.
Speaker 1: Well, keep what's going on.
Speaker 3: As the word says, keep seeking and keep knocking. I
Speaker 3: was a pastor for twenty one years. Eighteen years ago,
Speaker 3: though I committed adultery, I did leave the ministry. I repented,
Speaker 3: I built bridges. I haven't pastored for eighteen years now.
Speaker 3: I'm still with my dear wife of thirty eight years.
Speaker 3: But now I have a chance to go back into
Speaker 3: the pastorate. But something nagging at me because biblically am
Speaker 3: I permanently disqualified? Or or do I have a chance
Speaker 3: at restoration? Since for the overseer he is to be
Speaker 3: blameless and above reproach. And so I am struggling with Biblically,
Speaker 3: can I be a pastor again?
Speaker 2: There is nothing, there's nothing in scripture that grants that
Speaker 2: wish as it were. I know you're looking for a
Speaker 2: different answer, Tom, And the pastor and and and standing
Speaker 2: before people in that context is one of great weight
Speaker 2: and one that comes up obviously in scripture, as you
Speaker 2: quote Uh and Timothy and Titus.
Speaker 1: Chuckswindall.
Speaker 2: UH, well known author and pastor himself once said that
Speaker 2: talking about this very issue, that it takes only one
Speaker 2: pin to burst a balloon. And I know that the
Speaker 2: world continually gets more relaxed with things and less offended
Speaker 2: by things, and therefore they start to go, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know you should be more relaxed on this. And
Speaker 2: I know you've seen a lot of TV preachers that
Speaker 2: have fallen away or had situation then just get restored
Speaker 2: right back, and really that all that does is make
Speaker 2: Christianity more of a laughing stock. That doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: there aren't things for you to do. There aren't wonderful
Speaker 2: places for you to be in the church and things
Speaker 2: that you can participate in. But it asks that of
Speaker 2: Scripture specifically, because that's the mindset that a pastor has
Speaker 2: to be in to be in that place being above reproach.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that you can't teach or there
Speaker 2: aren't ways to teach. I'm gonna ask you to put
Speaker 2: stay on hold, Tom because I want to talk to
Speaker 2: you just after this quick uh, this quick break, but
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you more about what that
Speaker 2: means and some things that you may be able to
Speaker 2: do that would fulfill that calling.
Speaker 1: Tom, thanks for holding on.
Speaker 3: Bumper music but brought me to my knees.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 3: Seemed to speak to my heart.
Speaker 2: That's that's why we have someone like Tony with us
Speaker 2: to help orchestrate those moments as we go in and
Speaker 2: out that emphasize with modern and older music as to
Speaker 2: what's going on in people's lives. And right now, Tom,
Speaker 2: you stand before your God as someone who has you
Speaker 2: think of it this way, you're not being It's not punitive.
Speaker 1: When I when I.
Speaker 2: Tell you that if you're a pastor and you fall
Speaker 2: away from the standard of of leadership, the confused us
Speaker 2: lies in Christians going, well, shouldn't we forgive?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: But this kind of earlsheibe one day paint job mentality
Speaker 2: is great for a car, but not for restoring a
Speaker 2: pastor to leadership. And that's become kind of the.
Speaker 1: The set pacing.
Speaker 2: Well, if you give him a year off and we
Speaker 2: kind of brush him up, get the dings out, repaint
Speaker 2: them and put them back behind the pulpit, everything's going
Speaker 2: to be fine. But I'll tell you something my producer
Speaker 2: Neil I thought about ministry at one time.
Speaker 1: Not a good enough guy. Knew it right out.
Speaker 2: He's just not a good enough guy, and and knew
Speaker 2: that all it would do is bring problems to God.
Speaker 2: And so if you're if you're going to stand before
Speaker 2: God that way, Tom and lead people, you've you've got
Speaker 2: to be in a different category and you've got to
Speaker 2: be created for it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Paul knew this.
Speaker 2: Paul knew that if there were any problems, he would
Speaker 2: be disqualified. Listen to his words in one Corinthians nine
Speaker 2: twenty seven. He said, I disciplined my body. I discipline
Speaker 2: my body and make it my slave, so that after
Speaker 2: I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
Speaker 2: And that's, you know, with the context of Paul, obviously,
Speaker 2: that's dealing with sexual sin and the concern of that
Speaker 2: being a problem. And you, you, in that moment when
Speaker 2: you had that affair, you in that moment, said that
Speaker 2: that woman, that orgasm, that sexual contact was more important
Speaker 2: than your wife, than your own word and commitment, and
Speaker 2: your God, you forfeit. You made the decision. You God
Speaker 2: told you what the rules were, and you agreed to them,
Speaker 2: and you forfeited that. I hope it was a great orgasm,
Speaker 2: because that was that you forfeited, that, you gave that
Speaker 2: up and you walked away from it. Now, that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean God hates you. God still loves you. The Church
Speaker 2: once loves you and wants you in the church. But
Speaker 2: this kind of revolving door can be a problem, especially
Speaker 2: to non believers, and believers just end up going oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and they hear the teacher at the pulpit and they go, oh, well,
Speaker 2: it's not a big deal, you know. And it's not
Speaker 2: that you can't be human, but you got to be
Speaker 2: above reproach. You've got to be standing above those things.
Speaker 2: You have to be a good husband and a righteous man.
Speaker 2: And that's the core problem.
Speaker 1: With the church.
Speaker 2: Is that they look for dynamic speakers, good writers, somebody
Speaker 2: who can publish books, someone who can sing well play guitar,
Speaker 2: and that's and none of those things are mentioned in scripture,
Speaker 2: none of them.
Speaker 3: And yet you gave Peter a second chance.
Speaker 2: It's not about second chances Peter. Peter denied in fear.
Speaker 2: But Peter didn't, in that state of authority sleep with
Speaker 2: someone sexual sin. You know this in scripture is set
Speaker 2: apart and as a siner gets the body and that
Speaker 2: and culturally that tends to kind of fall by the wayside.
Speaker 2: You can look for excuses, Tom, Yeah, and you'll find
Speaker 2: them in every nook and cranny of life. You will
Speaker 2: find And I know that the assumption is, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know what, there's this this show they call it
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ show. They've got to have liberal theology. No,
Speaker 2: that is the That is the one reason why I'm
Speaker 2: here is in hopes of one letting the legalists that
Speaker 2: are just you know, trying to to crush the spirit
Speaker 2: of Christianity know that I'm out there watching, and two
Speaker 2: to let the those that are liberal in their theology
Speaker 2: know that I'm out there watching.
Speaker 3: Well, I always used to say, an excuse there's only
Speaker 3: a skin of a reason wrapped in a lie. So
Speaker 3: I'm not looking for any excuses.
Speaker 1: And that's a beautiful way to say it.
Speaker 2: You've got You've got your lovely wife who has been
Speaker 2: who has been wonderful enough to forgive you through all
Speaker 2: of this and to stand by you.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: You should be received into the body and uh, you
Speaker 2: should participate in the church and enjoy the church. And
Speaker 2: uh be brought back into fellowship, but not as a pastor.
Speaker 2: There's nothing in scripture that's going to say that nothing.
Speaker 2: And I know that's hard line, and I know people
Speaker 2: will have problems with it, and people are going to say,
Speaker 2: but I went through this and now I'm a But
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if you do that. In that moment,
Speaker 2: you tell God, I want this instant, I want this romance,
Speaker 2: I want this physical sensation. I want this more than
Speaker 2: I want you. And this position that you called me
Speaker 2: to you and you give it up, you had the
Speaker 2: strength to not do it, and you chose not to.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of sins you fall into in life
Speaker 2: because they're around you in the way it is and
Speaker 2: getting upset. I mean, if you were dealing with with
Speaker 2: certain other attributes, it's not like you were gluttonous and
Speaker 2: you've lost the weight. Now this is something specific, and
Speaker 2: I know that that stinks and it's not what you
Speaker 2: wanted to hear. But the reason why you should seek leadership,
Speaker 2: the reason.
Speaker 1: Why you should seek God.
Speaker 2: Is because you respect it, because you're good at it,
Speaker 2: you're comfortable doing it, or you liked it and you
Speaker 2: received a lot from it. And people seem to like
Speaker 2: when you say that's not it. I see these little,
Speaker 2: these small little churches, Tom, with twenty families in them,
Speaker 2: and the pastor doesn't speak that well, but boy he
Speaker 2: loves God, and boy he knows scripture, and they're small
Speaker 2: little churches. And then you get these slick churches, and
Speaker 2: not all the large ones are slick, but you know
Speaker 2: the difference. Slick churches with everything right and everything is
Speaker 2: going smoothly, and they get massive and people think that
Speaker 2: that's where God is because they're massive. Again, because I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get emails people getting confused. I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: a mega church or a very large churches is not
Speaker 2: a church of God. I'm saying there's a difference. But
Speaker 2: to just look at those appearances and say ones of
Speaker 2: God because it's large, and ones not of God because
Speaker 2: it's small. And all these different excuses people make about
Speaker 2: what a pastor should.
Speaker 1: Be and what shouldn't and all of these things.
Speaker 2: No Scripture says, and it's very specific, and you knew
Speaker 2: that going into it, Tom, and you could quote it to.
Speaker 1: Me today.
Speaker 2: And you said, for that moment, that time, however long
Speaker 2: the affair lasted, that it didn't matter. You said, I
Speaker 2: don't care, I want this and I want it now,
Speaker 2: and you got it. Thank Heaven that your wife is
Speaker 2: a godly woman who allowed you back into the marital
Speaker 2: bed and in her life. You should count your blessings there.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that you can't write about your experiences,
Speaker 2: that you can't use it to be a teaching tool.
Speaker 2: That you'll never use any of your abilities for God
Speaker 2: is a silly statement. But you can't do that anymore
Speaker 2: because if you do that, as it says in scripture,
Speaker 2: you crucify me twice. If you do that, you stand
Speaker 2: and it doesn't show the glory of forgiveness. It shows
Speaker 2: that nobody's watching the church and nobody cares. And it's
Speaker 2: beyond just.
Speaker 1: Being human.
Speaker 2: It was decisive, wouldn't you say, Tom, you made a
Speaker 2: decision to do that. Yes, And aren't you man enough
Speaker 2: both as a human and a Christian to receive those
Speaker 2: consequences as they stand here on earth?
Speaker 3: I would hope.
Speaker 1: So, Well, then why.
Speaker 2: Don't you move forward with that? An opportunity doesn't mean
Speaker 2: it's a good one just because it exists. There are
Speaker 2: Christians that ask the other Christians to do things all
Speaker 2: the time. That may not be good for them. The
Speaker 2: hope is that you have your own set of tools
Speaker 2: for discernment and the ability to go Nope, this isn't
Speaker 2: right for me, because you know, one Christian can say
Speaker 2: you want to come over, I'm having a wine tasting
Speaker 2: and it's not a problem for them, and it's not
Speaker 2: a sin. Yet you're asking an alcoholic a Christian and
Speaker 2: for them it would be a sin to participate in.
Speaker 2: You can't slap the face of God on this one, Tom,
Speaker 2: and I know that's not what you were looking for.
Speaker 2: And you were so very brave and you know to
Speaker 2: take the time and to call and to share those
Speaker 2: things and to explain what you've gone through. But I
Speaker 2: think that the church waivers far too much on certain things.
Speaker 2: And as I said, you know, my producer Neil couldn't
Speaker 2: live up to what it takes to be a pastor,
Speaker 2: which is why he's not and why he's got to
Speaker 2: participate in a show like this too, hopefully show his
Speaker 2: own love for God. Susan, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4: I just want to start by saying thank you very
Speaker 4: much for your show. I really appreciate it and I
Speaker 4: learn a lot from it, so I look forward to
Speaker 4: it every week.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're very nice, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4: Okay, I have a question. I have two parts to it.
Speaker 4: I hope it doesn't seem too foolish, but I wonder
Speaker 4: the Bible says we are wonderfully and fearfully made. I
Speaker 4: wondered if there's any spiritual connection or significant to men
Speaker 4: and beards. Okay, And I have two questions to questions
Speaker 4: religious that Number one, why did God create men to
Speaker 4: have beards? You know, he careered they were created that
Speaker 4: way when all they do is shave it off. And
Speaker 4: then the main reason is my son decided to go
Speaker 4: a beard, and I just thought, like most guys, he
Speaker 4: wanted to just give his face a rest from shaving
Speaker 4: every day. But when I asked him, I was very
Speaker 4: surprised to hear his answer. He said he did some
Speaker 4: research on it, and in Bible times the only men
Speaker 4: that were bare faced, as he says, were eunuchs and gays,
Speaker 4: and so he said, I will never be bear faced again.
Speaker 4: And I was thought very strange, And I was just
Speaker 4: wondering if you had any any thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: Not true on a lot of different levels. And there's
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: Unfortun we're not going to have time to get through
Speaker 2: all of it, so I'll cut right to the chase.
Speaker 2: That the reason why there's beards is because the bodies
Speaker 2: are adaptable. The bodies are adaptive to their surroundings, and
Speaker 2: body hair is part of that process. That's why you
Speaker 2: get you know, what people call goose pimples or goosebumps
Speaker 2: and the hair stands on it and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That is a reaction to the surrounding and your body
Speaker 2: adapting to it. And the little hairs on your arms,
Speaker 2: the hairs on your face are all there for protective
Speaker 2: reasons for different parts or different things that were done.
Speaker 2: That we're the roles of men and women. That's why
Speaker 2: there's differences there. And you know, women may carry fatty
Speaker 2: tissue in certain areas that men don't, et cetera. Some
Speaker 2: people would say, well, that has to do with the
Speaker 2: evolutionary process and all this. No, it's by design and
Speaker 2: there's specifics to it and a biological specifics to it
Speaker 2: that help with the individuals too. Esthetics that there are
Speaker 2: aesthetic differences just like you see in nature, specifically for
Speaker 2: the appearance of you know, if you see often the
Speaker 2: male of the species often has the really colorful plumes,
Speaker 2: and you think it would be the ladies, but not
Speaker 2: necessarily true. And that's to attract a mate, and so
Speaker 2: there's certain things about it being masculine and being distinct
Speaker 2: from the female that becomes attractive. Doesn't mean that a
Speaker 2: woman now likes a beard, but I will tell you
Speaker 2: this that even women who like clean shaven men like
Speaker 2: when a man has double sometimes and it gives that
Speaker 2: look of relaxation and all these things. So there's aesthetic
Speaker 2: things that go there. Scripturally, the reason why our Jewish
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters would trim their beards, and now the
Speaker 2: Orthodox Acidic Jews and the like will continue with this
Speaker 2: process is because Leviticus nineteen twenty seven, specifically Leviticus nineteen
Speaker 2: twenty seven talks about rounding the corners of your head,
Speaker 2: so the beards and the sideburns were grown grown out,
Speaker 2: and this part of the process of separating. The vitical
Speaker 2: laws were there to separate from the pagans at the time,
Speaker 2: and what the Pagans were doing, the our Jewish brothers
Speaker 2: and sisters wouldn't be doing, so they would try and
Speaker 2: separate themselves from the things that were going.
Speaker 1: Going on in the day.
Speaker 2: Now, some of the pagans might have and did practice
Speaker 2: in certain things, whether it be homosexuality or what have you,
Speaker 2: and so that may be where your son is kind
Speaker 2: of turning this up. But really it's a it's a
Speaker 2: it's a far stretch, and I'm not sure what your uh,
Speaker 2: you know, what your son is protesting or what issues
Speaker 2: he's going through that he feels the need to protest
Speaker 2: his sexuality or his lack of a certain type of
Speaker 2: sexuality or I'm not sure what's going on there or
Speaker 2: what your son's going through. There might be that would
Speaker 2: be a time for another discussion, is my guess. But
Speaker 2: that's the biblical tie in and then biological tie in
Speaker 2: and all of that, and I hope that that helps
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