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Speaker 1: Hello Shirley fans, and welcome back to the Shirley You

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Can't Be Serious Podcast. We have had a battle of

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machines this morning already.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, sometimes you win, sometimes the machines win.

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Speaker 1: We are on my computer today because Jason's computer not working.

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Speaker 2: At least I didn't try to kill me though, right,

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that's the good news.

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Speaker 1: Right, So welcome back. We are in the midst of

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something that I would like to call the James Cameron

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shows us how to do a sequel series. We have

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just finished up with Alien and Aliens and we are

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just beginning Terminator and Terminator Too, where James Cameron comes

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out for the second swing and knocks it out of

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the park.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to talk about this movie now.

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Speaker 1: Before the movies, yeah, before we got into this series,

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we had our nineteen eighty four series where we covered

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a whole lot. We had albums, we had movies, we

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had all kinds of stuff. But today we're going back

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to nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 2: That's right. If you haven't been catching up on current

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events PLL. We did Born in the USA versus Sports Yep.

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We did Ghostbusters versus Gremlins. We did Footloose Versus Purple Rain, Yes,

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movie and soundtrack. Yes, we spent eight weeks in nineteen

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eighty four. It was great, and now we get a

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chance to revisit it today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So imagine that summer, right, all of those things

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in your life that were going on. You're listening to

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I Want a New Drug. You're listening to Let's Go Crazy, Yes, Yes,

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And you're listening to Let's Hear It for the Boy, Right,

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and then you're gonna go watch Bill Murray and Dan

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Aykroyd blow up some ghosts.

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Speaker 2: Who are you gonna call?

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Speaker 1: Ray Parker Jr. I like to talk to you about

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your song that you stole from me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But while all of that was going on, the other

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thing that was going on in Los Angeles was the Olympics.

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Before we get going, I just want to point something out.

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We have been talking to each other now for a

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couple of years, face to face, and one of the

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reasons that I can do that is because you don't

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have nose hair. Have you been talking to people and

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like you can't even concentrate on what they're saying because

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of their nose hair.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they like tuck to you dangles, Yes, it wiggles,

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it's it's a total distraction. Absolutely, And so let me

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let me say, if you are one of.

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Speaker 1: Those guys, we have a product that is supporting the

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podcast that you need to check out. Is called the

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weed Whacker, and it is from Manscape.

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Speaker 2: It is an amazing product. It trims your nose hair.

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It's not embarrassing. You just stick it up there. It

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tastes care of it. You're not gonna look at people

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and bother them, right, And I'm.

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Speaker 1: One of those guys who's self conscious about my nose hair.

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So somebody that you're gonna see me and I'm gonna

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be like yanking them out and wincing in pain, don't

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do that. There is a special thing that they make

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and they've also just released in addition to the weed Whacker,

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they have just released something called the lawnmower. If you

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have other areas of your body that you're looking to

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trim up. And I'd like to point out that a

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giraffe is easier to see in the planes than it

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is in the forest.

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Speaker 2: That's that's wonderful. Yes, yes, it is so very It's

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very good around sensitive areas.

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Speaker 1: If you know what I'm saying, yeah, they have also

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an entire shave kit called the Ultra Smooth Package package.

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You get the idea.

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Speaker 2: So who doesn't want their package ultra smooth?

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Speaker 1: Right? Right? So don't forget to go to manscapes dot

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com and use the promo code fan sided twenty to

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get twenty percent off your order and free shipping.

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Speaker 3: Whack it, that's right. I think I just posted on

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Facebook two days ago that it was the thirty seventh

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anniversary of the opening ceremonies of the LA Coliseum Olympic Games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as it turns out, this movie was filmed

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kind of in and around all that stuff going on.

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Speaker 1: Right, so as everybody's preparing for those ceremonies, like in

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early summer, before it all begins, a young thirty year

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old director is with a newly dubbed movie star named

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Arnold Schwarzennigger in the backstreets of the suburbs of Los

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Angeles and they are driving a station wagon and it's

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just Jim and Arnold and a camera. No MIC's know nothing.

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They get out of the car and he's like, okay,

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we need to kind of whoa do you hear a siren?

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And Arnold's like yeah, and he's like, okay, well we

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need to kind of hurry. He's like, it's something wrong.

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He's like, yeah, we don't really have any permits to shoot,

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which is something you have to have in LA. You

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have to have a permit to be filming a movie, right,

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And so he's like, do we need permits and he's like,

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we don't have any money for permits, so no, we don't. Yeah,

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and so they park the car and Jim gets out

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and he's like, Okay, I want you to go over

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there and punch the glass out of that window.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And Arnold's like, uh, Jim, I'm kind of a

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movie star. You know, people might recognize me, right, not

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to mention I'm a big guy.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you are subtle, right, You're six' five

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with two hundred and thirty pounds of, muscle mister olympia

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punching out. Windows he's, like is this real glass or

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is this movie? Glass he's, like just go do, it,

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man just go do. It and so, yeah they quickly

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filmed this last little bit of gorilla footage Where arnold looks,

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around punches the glass, out and steals the station. Ware

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awesome but before we get, there we need to go

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back even.

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Speaker 2: Further, okay what day is?

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Speaker 4: It the?

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Speaker 1: Dates, Well, thursday what?

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Speaker 2: Year.

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Speaker 1: Okay so interestingly we talked when we were talking about

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alien versus, aliens we talked About dan O'Bannon and his,

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history and one of the things that he did was

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that he faked A ufo landing with his. Dad, yeah, yeah,

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Yeah and oddly, Enough James cameron kind of had a similar.

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Experience do you remember. This when he was a young,

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boy he was very much into science and science. Fiction

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the first thing his dad was happy. About the second,

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thing his dad was not happy about, it also similar

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To Dan. Obannon and so he decides to impress his

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dad something he's learned in. School he's going to heat

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up air and make a hot air, balloon and so

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he and his brother and a couple of friends get.

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Together they light this thing. Up it starts. Floating he's so,

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proud and then all of a sudden they lose. Control

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it catches. Fire it starts flying across the, sky and

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they're lucky that they didn't set any houses or fields on.

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Fire BUT i mean they're having to ride their bikes

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to chase it down and it makes the news the next.

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Speaker 2: Day, hey, dad did you hear about that fireball THAT

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i said and drifted around and almost burned down the?

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Neighborhood that was?

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Speaker 4: Me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah his dad was none too happy about, That.

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Speaker 2: BUT i was using the scientific method to make it.

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Speaker 1: Work, yeah he was. Mad James cameron has a science

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fiction book in his. Hand his dad gets, mad takes

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the book, away throws it, away so don't be reading

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this crap, anymore And james just sneaks out about that my,

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night gets it out of the trash and continues his.

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Quest but his whole life he's spent trying to impress his.

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Speaker 5: Dad.

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Speaker 1: Right one nice thing that they did do, together, though

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was they learned how to scupid dive that would.

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Speaker 2: Come into play in about every movie from the abyss.

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Speaker 1: On yeah there you. Go. Okay So james was this

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really bright student and he ultimately went to, college didn't

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like it and decided to. Quit he lived out in

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a suburb Of hollywood Called, brea which wasn't a particularly big.

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School he had been From canada, originally and he made

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a couple of friends out there Named.

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Speaker 2: William wisher And Randy.

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Speaker 1: Frakes, right and these guys are all into.

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Speaker 2: Movies that's. Right they go See Star wars.

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Speaker 1: Together, Yeah randy's a little bit, Older bill's a little bit.

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Younger So jim has dropped out of. College he is

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driving a truck working as a. JANITOR i mean he's

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cleaning gum off of the bottom of desks and delivering

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cafeteria food to the local. School his dad's not. Happy,

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yeah AND i haven't quite found his way, yet, Right

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but he does know that he loves, movies and so

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what he does is he goes over to THE usc

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library and studies books like he's getting HIS usc education

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on his.

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Speaker 2: Own he like checks out dissertations and stuff from his.

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Speaker 1: Students, yeah when people do a research study on, films

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he'll go get their study and read what they've written

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because he, knows, like these are guys my age who

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are doing the. Stuff this is WHAT i would be.

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Speaker 5: Learning.

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Speaker 1: Right, also near the area where they live is The Chinese.

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Theater so in nineteen seventy, seven right about the time

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that a guy Named George lucas is having a cheeseburger

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across the, street he And randy And bill all go

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see this movie. Together they buy their ticket nobody really

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knows about this movie, yet like it's brand. New and

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when they buy their, ticket she hands them a little,

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badge like a little button and it Says may The

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force be with. You and they're, like what is this

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and she's, like it's kind of like a theme of the.

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Speaker 2: Movie, yeah just a, little just minor. Thing it's not

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gonna change.

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Speaker 1: Pop culture or, anything, Right and so they go in

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and they watch the movie And James cameron has changed.

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Forever he, SAYS i know WHAT i want to do.

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NOW i had an, idea but now That i've seen

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what this guy can. Do and he WAS i, mean

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he was. Disturbed he was, like this is EVERYTHING i

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wanted to, do And George lucas just did it. Better

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and so what he does is he, says quit my.

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Job we need to go find some investors and we

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are going to make a. Movie they find, investors, dentists

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some dentists looking to invest some. MONEY i wonder if

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those guys ever got any return on.

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Speaker 2: It they just wanted a tax shelter right.

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Speaker 1: Here hold, this, yeah do.

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Speaker 2: Whatever we don't really. Care we're just looking for a tax.

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Speaker 1: Shelter so they make this twenty minute long movie. Ish

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it's really like the beginning of something that's supposed to.

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Continue like that was their, idea we'll make the beginning

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of the movie and then we'll get funding for the

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rest of the. Movie it's so similar to what he

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ultimately ends up. Making. Right the beginning of the movie

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has a lot of paintings that he, did including a

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blue woman Like. Avatar and then you've got this guy

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who's on this alien world and he starts to fight

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with the alien and who comes out to save. Him

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but this girl manually operating this larger, machine just like

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out Of.

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Speaker 2: Aliens, right even the robot has these tank like treads

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that you see in Mull terminator And.

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Speaker 1: Aliens, yeah absolutely check Out. Exogenesis you will be amazed

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that like three guys who had never done a movie

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before were able to accomplish what they accomplished with nineteen

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seventies technology and only twenty thousand.

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Speaker 2: Dollars it's really, Amazing.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately it doesn't turn into a full movie deal

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for any of.

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Speaker 5: Them.

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Speaker 1: RIGHT i think what they ultimately got offered Was pillsbury

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offered to let them make a commercial for.

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Speaker 2: Them, yeah The pillsbury Dough.

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Speaker 1: Boy, right if that was you and me and that.

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Happened i'd be, Like, Pillsbury.

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Speaker 2: Yes let's do.

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Speaker 1: It but, yeah But James cameron's, like, no this is

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not that's not. It that's not. It this is not

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WHAT i came to. Do and so what he ends

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up doing is taking the movie over To Roger corman's production.

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Theater he takes it over, there shows it to them and,

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says will you give me a? Job and they, say,

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sure we need a production. Designer why did you come?

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of that. Stuff and so he gets the job that.

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job this lady Named gail and heard just graduates From

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stanford and she gets a job As Roger corman's. Assistant

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talked a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit about this in Our Alien Versus aliens episode last.

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Week so he gets on With Roger. Corman he's working

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as a production. Designer they hire this guy off the

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street Named bill Past.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah He's. Bill paxson's, like, Hey i'd like to

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submit an. Application he's, like grab a paint, brush go

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bay that. WALL i haven't got the job. Yet he's, like, ah,

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SORRY i just go paint the, wall you're.

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Speaker 2: Good, yeah we'll worry about that.

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Speaker 1: Later and So Gail Ann hurd comes in because she

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wants to check around and see what's going. On she's

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the new assistant and when she comes, In james is

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so in charge of everything that's going. On she thinks

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he's the production, manager like the special effects, guy like

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he's the. Guy and as it turns, out she finds

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out later it's not. Him it's this other dude who's

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doing a crap. Job and so she goes back To

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Roger corman and basically, says, well the guy that you

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have in charge isn't doing, anything but this other, guy

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who is just a lowly nothing, guy he's running the, show.

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Right and so What Roger corman does is fire the

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top guy and Bring james in to be the main.

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Man and at that, point he was making two hundred

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dollars per, week and he's, Like, ROGER i really appreciate the.

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Promotion could you also give me a raise BECAUSE i

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cannot survive on, this, Right And roger's, like, well, Yeah

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i'll give you four, hundred And James cameron's, like that's

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really kind of, you BUT i can't survive on. That

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what was the guy before me Making he's, like, well

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he was making seven. Fifty he, goes, well you're giving

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me that. JOB i feel LIKE i should make seven.

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Fifty And Roger corman's, like, well, yeah but you don't

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have any. Experience he, goes, yeah the guy you just

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fired who couldn't do anything had all the. Experience i'm

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the one that's actually getting it. Done And Roger corman was,

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like you're, right you can have the seven fifty a.

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Week and so he ends up being a part of

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another movie that you've, Seen God bless. You that was

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a knockoff of the Movie Alien galaxy Of. Terror.

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Speaker 2: Right we talked a little bit about how he was

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in charge of the guy who had cut off his own,

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arm and there was this shot where there were worms

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on the arm and they wanted the worms to, wiggle

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and the worms were just laying, there and so he

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devised a plan to attach some electrical wires to the

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prop arm and zap the crap out of those, worms

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and they came to life and, wiggled and The italian

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producers that were in the room observing, said that's the

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guy we want for our next. Movie. Piranatu The spawning.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't heard Our Alien Versus aliens, episode go

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back and listen to. Those there's all kinds of good stories.

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There but one of the good stories is another guy

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who went to That chinese theater was a guy Named

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Ridley scott who had just finished directing his first. Movie like,

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Literally James cameron And Ridley scott saw the movie in

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the same theater days.

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Speaker 2: Apart they may have bought popcorn standing next to each.

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Other you never, know you really don't, know you really don't.

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Speaker 1: Know and so he went. On Ridley scott went on

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to Direct alien that's coming up here in just a.

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Minute That James cameron also becomes a super fan fanboy Of.

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Alien and so they go off to film this movie

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in The, caribbean And James cameron is going to have

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his first experience as a, director the highly ANTICIPATED i

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mean pretty sure some people camped out for tickets to

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See Piranha.

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Speaker 2: TuS he thought you were excited For, terminator two people

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were fired up For. Paranatu this spawning, right except over

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the course of the, movie as he's, filming he's cutting,

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corners he's doing everything, Again he's working his butt. Off

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he's actually painting rubber fish in his hotel room when

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the guy comes in and fires.

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Speaker 1: Him, yeah he's, like you're not getting you're not getting

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the right, shots you're not doing. This he's, Like i'm

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getting every. Amount he's, like you're spending too much. Time

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i'm just saying in this. Thing and he's, like you

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hired me to direct this. Movie why don't let me

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direct this. Movie he's, like, no you're.

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Speaker 5: Fired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well he learns later on that that was just

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that guy's, play. Right he had been trouble for the

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folks In italy and basically he couldn't have a picture

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green lighted as a director. Himself it had to have

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Some american attached to, it and so he just Used

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James cameron as his.

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Speaker 2: Ticket, yeah and he had done that. Before bring The american,

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on get the, financing start the, Picture fire that, guy take,

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over make your own.

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Speaker 1: Movie so, again very similar to The Dan abandon, story,

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right it, Is, hey come over, here we're gonna make this,

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big great. Movie oh you're, fired send you, back and

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you've got no place to. Live so in the busyness

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of try and film all these, things he's staying up

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all night. Long he's wearing himself, thin not, eating like

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he's stealing bread off of the carts of.

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Speaker 2: Outside in the. Hallway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he's he's in bad, shape and he ends

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up getting sick and he has a, fever and so

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in his sick, fever he has a.

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Speaker 2: Dream so in this, nightmare, yea he is stalked by

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this unstoppable killing machine robot from the. Future, yeah sound

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relatively familiar to.

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Speaker 1: You, yes it's called the. Firer no Fire it's called

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The terminator because he had been. Fired he had been.

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Terminated he was in a position where he was, Like

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i've lost everything because this guy THAT i have no

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control over just terminated. Me it's him against this thing

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it looks like a human. Being he shoots it feels

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like he's blown it, away and then this metal skeleton

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with only the torso crawls out from the wreckage to

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continue to try to hunt him down and kill.

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Speaker 2: Him that's a MOVIE i would watch now before he

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totally Leaves. Jamaica. Yeah one of the guys in the

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Movie piranha too was this guy Named Lance, Hendrickson, yes

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who played the.

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Speaker 5: Sheriff.

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Speaker 2: Right we talked about how in order to have his sheriff.

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Badge they found a you, know save the whales little

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ten little happy meal, toy, huh that they used.

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Speaker 1: Turned, it turned it upside. Down AND i think they

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bought the clothes of the guy who was selling the

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butt selling the save The whales button, too because it

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had like a stripe down the side that looked more

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like a police uniform than whatever it was that they

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had bought For Lance.

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson James cameron paid for those pants out of his

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own pocket as he's stealing bread from other people's trays

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in the hallway at his.

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Speaker 1: Hotel, Right so he And lance developed a good relationship

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during this and then he goes back, home and so

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within just a short amount of, Time James cameron writes

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this sixty page treatment slash script and he gets offered

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money for it and gets he's offered a decent amount

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of money for, it but with somebody else, directing And

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randy is the one that, says, listen you can take this.

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MONEY i mean this is good. Money it's like buy

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a few houses kind of. Money he's, like you can

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take this money and you'll be a. Screenwriter do you

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want to be a? Screenwriter he's, like, NO i want

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to be a, director and he, says then don't take the, money.

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Right and so What James cameron ends up doing is

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he Finds Gail, heard who has now formed her own production,

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company is looking for, material and he, SAYS i want

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you to produce this, script and she's, like this is.

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AMAZING i would love to produce this. Script who do

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you want to? Direct he goes, me as a matter of,

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Fact i'm the only one that's allowed to direct. It she's,

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like What he's, LIKE i will sell it to you

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for a.

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Speaker 2: Dollar one dollar has.

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Speaker 1: To be on the condition THAT i get to. Direct

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So James cameron And gailhard are now on a quest

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to find somebody to finance this incredible idea that he's. At,

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yes and nobody wants this guy who's never really directed

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a movie in his life to direct this. Script and

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so who they ultimately end up with is this, company

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this production company out Of england Called.

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Speaker 2: Hymndale, okay there's a STORY i want to tell in, Here.

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Okay So jim And Gallien heard are, like we got

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to go impress the pants off the people To. Hymndale,

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Right so they call their Buddy Lance, hendrickson right and they, say,

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listen we need your help to get this movie financed and.

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Made would you please help us. Out we want you

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to dress like a.

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Speaker 1: Terminator, Right lance was supposed to be the, Terminator like

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that was Who james had in mind to be the. Terminator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah in, fact there are conceptual drawings of the. Machine

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part of his skull in the other half Is Lance. Hendrickson, Right, Okay.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't know Who Lance hendrickson.

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Speaker 2: Is He's bishop Of.

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Speaker 1: Aliens He's bishop Of.

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Speaker 2: Aliens, Yes so they go To. Hymndale Lance henderson kicks

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in the, door like knocks it off the, hinders like

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bust the crap out of the, door scares the heck

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out of everybody in the in the. Office, Yeah and they're, like,

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sir can we help? You and he doesn't say. Ward

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he's got those stoic sunglasses, on he's got gold foil

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on his, teeth and he's dressed in combat attire and

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he looks intimidating and menacing and he doesn't say a.

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Word and they're about to like call the, cops get

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this guy out of, here And James cameron comes in

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and he's, like, hi, Everybody i'm.

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Speaker 1: Here for my.

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Speaker 2: Meeting don't mind.

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Speaker 1: Me and my friend.

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Speaker 2: Here he's just a, terminator, right and it makes an,

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Impact oh for, sure it gets it freaking greenlit.

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Speaker 1: And Him dale has just started to get into. Movies

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they've previously managed bands Like yes And Black Sabbath Get

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out Of.

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Speaker 2: Town i'm not.

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Speaker 1: Kidding as it turns, OUT i don't know if they're

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the ones that Served Ozzy osbourne papers on stage OR

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i tried to find that out BUT i couldn't find.

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It if you don't know What i'm talking, about be

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sure to go back and check out our history of

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Oz Ozzy Osbourne No More tears Versus Aero Smith get A? Grip, okay, yeah,

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yeah definitely go check those.

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Speaker 2: Out those are fun. Episodes.

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Speaker 1: Okay so they've got a budget at this, point and

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now they need some. Actors you've got three main parts, here, right.

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Yep you've Got Sarah, Connor you've got the, terminator and

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you've Got Kyle, reese, yes the guy who's supposed to

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Save Sarah. Conder, Right and so they consider several people

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for these different, parts but one of the guys that they,

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want what the production company wants For Kyle reese Is Arnold.

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Speaker 2: Schwarzenegger, yes you heard that, right not The, terminator, Right Kyle.

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Speaker 1: Reese. Right and So arnold gets a, script he reads,

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it he likes, it And James cameron finds out that

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they're considering, him and he's, like this is. TERRIBLE i

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don't Want he's too, big he's not right at all

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for this. Part and so he's talking To Bill wisher

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And Randy frakes and they're, like what are you gonna?

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Do and he's, LIKE i gotta go have lunch, Today,

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Guys i'm gonna be picking a fight With Arnold. Schwarzenegger

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so IF i don't make it, Back, randy you can

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have my. Lamp, bill you can have the. Couch and

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so he leaves and Meets arnold for lunch and they

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start talking And arnold is immediately just this charming, guy

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like he's he's, like, wow you're even bigger THAN i

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thought you. Were and he's, like, Actually i'm much smaller

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THAN i normally. AM i had to lose weight to

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play these. Bodies and he's sincere.

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Speaker 2: Right very, charming very likable.

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Speaker 1: Guy and so they start talking and as they're, Talking

467
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,559
arnold keeps giving suggestions for The. Terminator he's, LIKE i

468
00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:24,079
really love this. Terminator you, know he's got to be

469
00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:27,400
like he's got to have no, emotion and it's given

470
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,400
all of these details and it's like clicking little links

471
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,519
In james's head and he's, like could you just be

472
00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:35,559
still for me and stop talking for a. Second he's like,

473
00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:38,200
What so he makes him be still and he draws

474
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,039
a picture right then and there Of Arnold schwarzenegger as The. Terminator.

475
00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 2: Brilliant and for those of you who don't, Know James

476
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,359
cameron is a gifted. Artist LIKE i, mean he's an amazing,

477
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,400
filmmaker but he can draw like nobody's.

478
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: Business one of the ways that he survived after they

479
00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:06,119
fired him From krona was they, said, hey will you

480
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,039
still paint the posters for?

481
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,279
Speaker 2: Us, right you were fired as the, director but how

482
00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:10,920
about you draw the.

483
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,519
Speaker 1: Poster so he paints this picture Of arnold as The.

484
00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:17,079
Terminator arnold was still building his movie career and he

485
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,160
really wanted to be the hero in all these, movies,

486
00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:22,720
Right and something that remember there at, lunch something THAT

487
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,799
i learned in this process that if you happen to

488
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:28,480
be not the, actor if you're the director or the

489
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,759
producer or something like. That and you meet an actor for,

490
00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,920
lunch it is your job to pay for, lunch, Right

491
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,480
And James cameron, SAID i forgot my, wallet the old

492
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:42,759
forgot my wallet, trick And arnold starts laughing and he's, like,

493
00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:47,440
oh So Arnold swartzenegger has to pay for lunch on

494
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,359
the day that he's trying to get cast in this.

495
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,440
Movie and he would be the guy that made the,

496
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,039
movie of. Course but both guys go back and they're,

497
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:59,839
like we Want arnold as The. Terminator of, course arnold

498
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,880
agent tries to talk him out of. It he's, like, no, no,

499
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,640
no that's the, villain and he's, like chill. Out Dick

500
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,920
wad gets the title.

501
00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: Character it's the best, bark, right they're ONLY i think

502
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,960
there what seventeen lines is like twenty five.

503
00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:14,279
Speaker 1: Words, yeah this.

504
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: Is said by The. TERMINATOR i mean it's really, nothing,

505
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:21,519
yeah and it's mostly nice night for a, walk nothing, clean, right,

506
00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:24,559
YEAH i mean it really doesn't say a, lot, Right

507
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,039
but he plays that character so, well launches him into.

508
00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: Superstar, okay so they're, greenlit they have The, terminator they

509
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,119
are ready to start, filming and.

510
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: Our Buddy dino De larentiz steps in and, says you

511
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,599
cannot Have Arnold. SCHWARZENEGGER i want to make Another conan movie.

512
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,279
Speaker 1: First, yeah So conan had come out In may of

513
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,880
nineteen eighty, two just less than two years, before but

514
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,839
it Made arnold a star And dino De larentiz was

515
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:54,519
the one who had produced that. Movie but when you

516
00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:58,000
do something like, that you have all these contractual provisions

517
00:24:58,039 --> 00:24:59,720
so that if you want to do a, sequel you

518
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:03,359
have what are called preemptive. Rights and at this Point

519
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,279
Dala renna, Says i'm exercising my preemptive.

520
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 5: Right.

521
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: Right, so think you're a starving. Director you've managed to

522
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,799
get a script, greenlit you've managed to secure the job as,

523
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,720
director you land a guy that's going to be a movie,

524
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,119
superstar And dino Day lorenzi steps in and, says you can't.

525
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,279
Speaker 1: Have it right for nine?

526
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:24,279
Speaker 2: Months for nine months, right while we go make this.

527
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 5: Movie.

528
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:29,559
Speaker 1: Right so what happens actually ends up it's, serendipitous if you,

529
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:33,759
will because to buy the nine months that he has

530
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,839
to make a living so that he can, survive he

531
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,400
works on a couple of script. Projects one Is Rambo

532
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:41,279
First Blood part.

533
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: Two most people don't realize That James cameron really Wrote.

534
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,759
Speaker 1: Rambo and then there were these guys from this production

535
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,480
company Called brandywine who, Said, hey we're looking at make

536
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:53,799
An alien part. Two are you interested in writing a?

537
00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: Script and he's, Like i've got just enough time to

538
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,319
do both of these WHILE i wait On Arnold. Schwarzenegger

539
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,640
we wait the nine, months and when it comes time

540
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,559
for production for A, terminator they've got to hire these three.

541
00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: Roles like you, said, yes they've already Got arnold as The.

542
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,279
Terminator i'll be back. Now they Need Kyle reese And Sarah.

543
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: Connor, okay, now before we get too far down the,

544
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,279
LINE i want to bring up a couple of names

545
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,519
that were associated with The terminator before they Hired. Arnold,

546
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:26,119
okay this is really interesting. Stuff here are some of

547
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,519
the names that they considered for The. Terminator, Okay Tom,

548
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:34,599
selleck yeah, Sure, Okay Michael, Douglas Kevin.

549
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,839
Speaker 1: Kleine see, now when they Had Lance hendrickson as the

550
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,799
guy that they wanted to be the, terminator before people

551
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:43,440
started saying this is going to be a big enough

552
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,559
movie that we need a big star instead of somebody

553
00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:48,759
that nobody's really heard of before he was supposed to

554
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,880
be an in and out guy and every Everyday joe

555
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,799
who could sneak in and out of a. Crowd and

556
00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:57,359
so if you have in your head this, big hulking

557
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,440
guy needs to be the, terminator that's not what they

558
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,680
were looking at. Initially that all changed With, arnold that's.

559
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:06,279
Right and so, YEAH i mean those guys as an

560
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,720
everyman who could be in and. Out, sure, OKAY i

561
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:09,960
want to throw two names at.

562
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: You they're going to blow you. Away. Okay, so going

563
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,559
on that premise that they wanted the everyman to be

564
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,039
able to slide in and out of society without being,

565
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:21,599
noticed he doesn't look like Mister. OLYMPIA a name that

566
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:27,440
actually was written down as a, Consideration Chevy chase as the.

567
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:29,960
Terminator can you? Imagine can you imagine?

568
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: THAT i mean Just Chevy chase is a villain at? All? Right,

569
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,759
WOW i don't know AND i don't, know, man that'd be.

570
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,799
Speaker 2: Weird, okay here's the other name that will blow you.

571
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:40,519
Speaker 1: Away, OKAY. O.

572
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,319
Speaker 2: J simpson Was.

573
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm, sorry what was did you? Say The? Jews the?

574
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: Juice the juice was considered for the role of the.

575
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,759
Speaker 1: Terminator, Okay and you know why he didn't get.

576
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: It because they thought he was too nice a.

577
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:58,559
Speaker 1: Guy he's too nice, looking nobody would believe him as a. Killer.

578
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: Irony they actually went so far as to have a

579
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,200
movie poster done HALF O.

580
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: J simpson's face and half.

581
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,599
Speaker 2: Half, yes so those names, associated but but really this

582
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,480
Is arnold's. Role Now here are the names associated With Sarah,

583
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:22,799
Okay Rosanna, Arquette Jennifer Jason, Lee, Yeah Gena davis kind

584
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,480
of before she was, Known, yeah, okay And Devor.

585
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:29,599
Speaker 1: Winger oh.

586
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:32,559
Speaker 2: Okay now then names For reese ready for?

587
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: This yeah.

588
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: Okay Bruce willis.

589
00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:40,799
Speaker 1: Really, yes he hadn't done anything that's Before. Moonlighting, yeah

590
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:43,680
which IS i, mean it's interesting Because arnold And bruce

591
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:47,200
later become very good. Friends as a matter of, fact

592
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,920
when we get TO t, Two arnold was supposed to

593
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,799
be going to Have christmas celebration With Bruce willis at

594
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,599
the time THAT t two was wrapping, up And James cameron, Said,

595
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,640
ARNOLD i need you to come. BACK i got a

596
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,759
film some. Stuff it didn't come out, right and So

597
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,400
arnold Spent Christmas day having the spike driven.

598
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: Through his spike went.

599
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: Through when he pulls the spike through that he was

600
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,680
filming On Christmas, day missing The christmas with his friend

601
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,680
Mister Bruce. Willis, wow who in nineteen eighty four was nobody?

602
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: Right, Okay SO i thought that was Interesting Bruce. Willis

603
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,160
now then they have this guy Named Michael bean who

604
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,279
came in to. Audition he had been doing a play

605
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:29,799
Called cat on A Hot Tin. Roof, Yes and when

606
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:32,880
he came, in he still had A southern accent from that.

607
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: Play, Yeah, Tennessee williams play All southern. Characters he'd been

608
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,119
working hard on That southern, accent.

609
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,839
Speaker 2: So race had a little bit of A southern. Accent

610
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:42,279
they didn't like that too.

611
00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:44,519
Speaker 1: Much come with me if you want to, leave.

612
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: You've been targeted for.

613
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,119
Speaker 1: Termination so, Yeah so they they call his agent back

614
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,279
and they, say, hey we really really Liked Michael bean's,

615
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,720
audition but you, know this guy can't have A southern.

616
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:01,039
Accent and his agent's, like he he's From. Nebraska what

617
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:03,960
are you talking. About they, Realized, oh he just still

618
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,279
had that hanging on from His cat on A Hot Tin.

619
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:06,559
Speaker 5: Roof.

620
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: Prep here's the thing With Michael bean THAT i. Discovered

621
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,359
and if you've been following us On, facebook you're you're

622
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,640
catching up on this amazing stuff that we're finding. Out

623
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,559
Michael bean was In greece With John travolta as one

624
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:23,039
of the jocks on the basketball. Team he's actually the

625
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:25,759
guy who gets punched in the stomach By John travolta

626
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,039
when he's still in the basketball That's Michael. Bean that's.

627
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: Crazy So Lance henrickson has to be kind of bummed.

628
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,880
OUT i mean he's gone and he's gotten this movie

629
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,119
green lit by busting through the door and pretending to

630
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,799
be the terminator in this production. Company and then he finds, out, well,

631
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,160
yeah you. Can't you can't be the, terminator and, no

632
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,119
we don't want you For cayler's. Either is there ANYTHING

633
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,839
i can? Do, yes we have a police. Officer oh

634
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,880
is he the main police. Officer, no he's like the

635
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,799
police officers main police officers.

636
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: Helper he's got the second. Banana he gets. Shot it's,

637
00:30:58,519 --> 00:30:59,599
Great it is.

638
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,559
Speaker 1: A great it's a great dynamic that those two actors.

639
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:02,759
Speaker 5: Have.

640
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: Though So Lance hendrickson ends up getting the part Of,

641
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:10,559
vukovich who is like second in command To traxler who's

642
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:14,160
played By Paul. Winfield and those two guys have a great.

643
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,640
DYNAMIC i mean they both you believe that they're both

644
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,759
cops that have been worn down by years of in

645
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:24,839
and out. Nonsense they don't get excited about what's going

646
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,000
on at, all despite the fact that you're Getting Sarah

647
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,440
connor killed right After Sarah connor got, killed right WHICH

648
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:34,559
i gotta, say how do you not go to the third?

649
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,480
ADDRESS i, mean why are they calling? Her why are

650
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,079
they only calling? Her go to her?

651
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: HOUSE i, know, man let's go. Lapd you know who

652
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,359
else we need to talk. About it's the guy who

653
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,400
plays Doctor. Silberman oh, Yeah Doctor zipperman Is Earl. Bowen

654
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:53,559
he recaptures that same sleazy Doctor field In terminator.

655
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,559
Speaker 1: To amplifies it. Completely we can't forget About Rick rossovich.

656
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,440
Either oh, Yeah Rick, Rossovich Rick rossovich From Roxanne rich

657
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,480
From Top Gun. GUN i, mean he's just this good

658
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,119
looking guy who also happens to be a pretty good,

659
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,880
actor and he does a fantastic love the, call the inappropriate,

660
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,720
talk and she and and And Sarah connor is, like you,

661
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,119
Know linda's kind of giggling at, this and you, know

662
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,599
and enjoying it a little bit before she lets the secret. Go,

663
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:20,200
First i'm going to tear off your.

664
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,519
Speaker 2: Clothes Oh, Hey, Sarah, SORRY i talk To ginger.

665
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: And a hanger on from The Roger corman, days a

666
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,279
guy who was also In grimlins Because Joe dante was A,

667
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:36,519
Yeah Roger corman as. Well we've Got Dick miller in.

668
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:38,799
There he's the pawnshop dealer who's showing.

669
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,119
Speaker 2: All of the, guys, right that's.

670
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:42,839
Speaker 1: Right he's, like how are you going to pay for?

671
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: This how you can't do that? Wrong you made me

672
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:51,119
mentioned to me the other day we glossed Over. Ginger

673
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,400
she didn't do a, lot but you, said what's your?

674
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: Name Best?

675
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: MATA i believe your comment to me was she has great.

676
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,720
Legs she had some great, legs giving it up To ginger's.

677
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: Legs, yeah moving, on moving, on all.

678
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: Right so that takes care of the cast On. Terminator,

679
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,079
yeah there's really not very many people in this.

680
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,519
Speaker 1: Movie, no it. Is it is a small, budget small,

681
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:19,400
cast incredibly produced. Film. Yep, okay fast forward nineteen ninety

682
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:33,880
nineteen ninety, Right so at this Point James cameron has Made.

683
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:39,079
Terminator he's followed it up With aliens, yep and he's

684
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:41,799
also followed it up With The. Abyss now after he Made,

685
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:47,200
aliens he got there were all kinds Of oscar, nominations,

686
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,359
Right Sigourney, weaver first actress to ever get nominated For

687
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,319
Best actress in a science fiction. Movie that's the first

688
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:57,440
time and it had ever. Happened, right sound, effects special,

689
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:01,880
effects all kinds of, nominations but two important nominations that didn't.

690
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:07,440
Happen No Best, director No Best. Picture Gailhard James cameron

691
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,840
watching this, happen. Devastated, Yeah and so they're Frustrated he's

692
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:16,599
achieved this amazing, movie like it's the biggest movie of

693
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,840
the year of nineteen eighty, six and he feels like

694
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,440
he's not getting any kudos. Whatsoever and his, father who

695
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,400
has been against this film career from the, beginning is

696
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,960
still disappointed in. Him he still feels like he hasn't

697
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,599
satisfied his. Dad so he's talking To Randy, frakes And

698
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,239
Randy frakes is, like who, Cares he, goes you, KNOW

699
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,000
i just don't know that this really means, anything and he's,

700
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:41,960
like of course it means. Something you can change people's

701
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,480
lives with, Movies, like, really we're really just telling a.

702
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:48,039
Story he's, like, no movies changed my. Life you can

703
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:51,320
change other people's. Lives, yeah and so the next movie

704
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,400
that we get After aliens Is The, abyss which is

705
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,000
where we See James cameron starting to have a bit

706
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,440
of a message behind what he's.

707
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,199
Speaker 2: Doing i'd love to talk About The abyst.

708
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 5: Sometimes.

709
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely it's underappreciated and people kind of beat on

710
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:05,960
it a little.

711
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: Bit it didn't do that, Well BUT i think it

712
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,719
had to be the fact That leviathan And Deep star

713
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,320
six had both come out that same year and they

714
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,239
were both total.

715
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 2: Crap that those were total, crap total.

716
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,679
Speaker 1: Crap movies THAT i, mean they had, potential, RIGHT i

717
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:23,639
mean it was basically those were alien, underwater right. Right

718
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,079
What James cameron did was also sort of alien, underwater

719
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:31,159
but it was with. Beauty here's something's. Fascinating in the

720
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:34,920
original script Of The, terminator they were supposed to be

721
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,599
two terminator that's, fascinating one like we know that is

722
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:45,280
the robot, machine and one that is an almost unkillable liquid.

723
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:48,480
Metal James cameron toyed around the idea of doing Clay

724
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:51,440
nation and then ultimately decided we just don't have the

725
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,440
technology to make each.

726
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:52,679
Speaker 5: Word.

727
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: Well, also we're going to go blow Up, cyberdine, Right,

728
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:56,159
yeah that was part of it as.

729
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Well. Yep, well once we get to The. Abyss, see

730
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,079
g has come so, far and if you've seen The,

731
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,440
abyss you know what they do with the water and

732
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,960
the faces and it is. Amazing and it is at

733
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,719
that point that he, says this is good enough THAT

734
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,639
i can have my liquid Metal.

735
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 5: Terminator.

736
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,679
Speaker 2: YEAH i heard somebody say that The abyss was one

737
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,440
hundred million dollars dry round FOR t.

738
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,519
Speaker 1: Two that's.

739
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: Good, Okay so they're gonna make the Next terminator. Movie

740
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,480
so here's the funny part about. This they call camera

741
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:29,800
and they're, like, hey we want you to do the

742
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,719
sequel for The. Terminator while you're thinking of the, story,

743
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,119
which by the, way we want out by Next july

744
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,679
nineteen ninety. One, Right we're gonna pull Stan winston And

745
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,719
Arnold schwarzenegger off Of Kindergarten cop for one day to

746
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,519
make a teaser. Trail so they pull them off Of

747
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,159
kindergarten cop for one day and they pull Stan winston

748
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,760
off Of Edward scissorhans and they make this incredible. Trailer

749
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,440
it's like the factory and they're pressing. Terminators oh, yeah

750
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,000
you Have arnold and he comes out he's got The

751
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:58,920
Red eyes muscled, out and all that teaser trailer was

752
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,159
to tell you that All terminators look Like Arnold. Schwarzenegger

753
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,880
so the fact that the one that you killed in

754
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,840
nineteen eighty four doesn't. Matter he's coming. Back, yeah he'll be.

755
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: Back he'll be.

756
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,639
Speaker 2: Back so when the studio comes To cameron and, says

757
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:13,800
we want to make the Sequel terminator. Too we want

758
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,519
you to go for, It he's, like, Awesome i'm ready

759
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:19,000
to dive. In so he calls his Buddy Bill wisher

760
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,440
and he, says here's the good, News terminator two is.

761
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,840
Greenlit here's the bad, news we're already three months behind. Schedule.

762
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:29,079
Okay so once they get started on the, story he

763
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,760
has to Convince arnold that he's going to be the

764
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,280
good guy this, time Which arnold's fine, with but he

765
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,280
also convinces, Him you're not gonna kill a single person

766
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:37,519
in this.

767
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: MOVIE i SWEAR i would not kill, anyone.

768
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: Right And arnold's, like wait a, Minute wait a, Minute,

769
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,800
Jim I'm. DETERMINATOR i have to kill. People he's, like,

770
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,280
no not going to kill one single, person and he's,

771
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,360
like just trust, ME i will still make you the

772
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,880
Awesome terminator you just don't kill. Anybody and so that

773
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:02,679
took some selling For, Arnold, Right so they take the

774
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,360
technology that they use on THE abyss to make THE

775
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:05,760
t one.

776
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,559
Speaker 1: Thousand, YEAH i mean it's more than, that like basically to.

777
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:10,960
KNOW i, mean when you look at THE t one,

778
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,719
thousand there's a lot more going on than just a water. Image.

779
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,360
Right the technology didn't. Exist he had to create, it

780
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:22,480
like he was a part of the process that created this,

781
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,920
amazing AMAZING.

782
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:28,079
Speaker 2: CGI i read That Industrial lights And magic had to

783
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:31,480
hire thirty five more people just to complete this.

784
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 5: Movie.

785
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 2: Right so, yeah now you have two, Terminators you Bring

786
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,119
Sarah connor, back you introduce a new, character Young John, connor,

787
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,960
right and now the target's Not sarah, anymore It's john, Right,

788
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,360
okay so Young John. Connor and so they bring in

789
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,440
all these actors and they started interviewing these. Kids but

790
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,920
these are not, tough street wise. Kids these are all kid, actors,

791
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,760
Right none of them are any tough soft they're. Soft

792
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,360
you have to believe this.

793
00:38:56,559 --> 00:39:00,159
Speaker 1: KID i wonder If Dan cooksey was initially up for

794
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,000
the part Of john.

795
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:03,199
Speaker 2: O'Connell i don't.

796
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,119
Speaker 1: Know so if you guys don't know Who John cookxie

797
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:09,760
is if you Watched Different strokes when The First, Kids,

798
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,119
yeah Whenever Gary coleman got really too old to be cute,

799
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:16,159
anymore they brought in a little white kid to be

800
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,159
the cute, kid and that Was Dan. Cooksey he's the

801
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,360
guy who's Like John connor's best friend who's out there

802
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,360
riding on his motorcycle and stealing stuff from THE atm.

803
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,639
Speaker 2: Machine Dan cooksey is the one when they go to

804
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:32,360
the arcade and they're Playing Missile, command which is about

805
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:34,599
a it's a game where you have to defend yourself

806
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:36,920
against nuclear. War. Yeah kind of.

807
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: Ironic. Yes and also if you don't remember him from the,

808
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,760
movie he had the penultimate. Mullet it was.

809
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: Awesome it is a great. Mullet so they go to

810
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,760
the boys club like the ymcah and start looking at

811
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,719
kids like regular la. Kids, yeah And jim comes across

812
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,119
this kid Named Edward furlong and he really likes, him.

813
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:58,880
Yep and he brings him in and he, says, Hey,

814
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,079
eddie we really like what which you've. Got he's, like

815
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:04,039
have you ever acted in anything? Before and ed he,

816
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:09,800
Says i've been in some family home videos and he's

817
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,559
apparently this is What Edward furlong still says when they

818
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:14,519
ask him about his acting. History he's, Like i've been

819
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,599
in family. Videos, yeah so that was kind of the.

820
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:19,920
Clincher they all, laughed thought that was, funny and that's

821
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,639
when they settled On Edward. Furlong. Yeah he's had a

822
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:25,440
little personal drama since. Then he's been in some, stuff

823
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,320
but he Was John.

824
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:27,559
Speaker 5: Carr.

825
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, well and it's interesting because during the production of this,

826
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,840
movie his voice changed and he grew about six.

827
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: Inches they had to dig holes so that he would

828
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:39,960
be taller than people at the end of the.

829
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 5: Movie.

830
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah to maintain a height relationship With Linda. Hamilton

831
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,119
they had to stick him in a hole because he

832
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,639
was at one time shorter but became taller than her

833
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:49,039
during the.

834
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: Picture, yep he was supposed to be playing a ten year.

835
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,000
Old he was actually. Thirteen, yeah which is why his

836
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:55,039
voice changes.

837
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: Too and why you don't cast. THIRTEEN i know his

838
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,239
voice has already.

839
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,159
Speaker 2: Changed you. Know the the kid From What About bob And.

840
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,519
Hook his name Is Charlie. Cosmo, yeah he's actually we

841
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:08,159
talked about. Him he's like a professor.

842
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: Professor.

843
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:09,039
Speaker 5: Yeah.

844
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:12,079
Speaker 2: Yeah they offered him the role Of John, connor but

845
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,280
he couldn't accept because he was In What About?

846
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:14,559
Speaker 5: Bob?

847
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah sat, gosh that's weird to think that these

848
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:17,679
movies were at the same.

849
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: TIME i, know, Right, OKAY i really want to talk

850
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,280
about THE t one. Thousand, yes so now that you

851
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,440
have to find somebody who's menacing but different Than, arnold right.

852
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:29,719
Right they actually considered the idea of Bringing Michael bean,

853
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,719
back and he was going to be THE t one,

854
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,679
thousand the Liquid. Metal how cool with?

855
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: That that would have been. Fantastic but he's gotta be

856
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,159
pissed they kill him off For alien three and then

857
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,400
he finds. Out he's, like, oh this will be. GREAT

858
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,000
i get to be the. Guy oh, no they. Don't

859
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:48,239
they think it's going to confuse the. Audience that's why they, said,

860
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,039
No Michael, bean it's going to be confused because because we're.

861
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:52,119
STUPID i guess.

862
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: Right, oh he was the good. Guy now he's the bad.

863
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:54,559
Speaker 5: Guy.

864
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah that would have been really. Cool, yeah and to

865
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,840
see the emotions Of sarah Had Michael bean been the liquid. Terminatory,

866
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:04,119
okay So Michael bean thought about. It he's, out he's.

867
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:07,760
Out next idea is bring another version Of arnold back

868
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,719
and It's arnold Versus. Arnold it's, interesting, sure but it's

869
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,440
similar to the scenes at the end of the, movie

870
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,199
like when you have Two Sarah connors on screen, together

871
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,800
who DO i trust which one is? Which but they, said,

872
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,280
Nope i'm not going to do. That we're gonna start

873
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,039
fresh and bring a new person in to. Act, okay

874
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,039
now here are the people that they thought about for

875
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:27,599
THE t one.

876
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 5: Thousand Billy.

877
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: Idol he's got the angular, features he looks a lot

878
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,239
Light Robert. Patrick, yeah, YEAH i mean he's.

879
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,119
Speaker 2: beIN he's you, know got the high cheek bones and

880
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,119
the cool. Haircut, yeah you, know rock The cradle Of, love,

881
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,760
Right but he couldn't do it because he was in

882
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,079
that terrible motorcycle. Accident oh that's.

883
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:58,199
Speaker 1: Right, yeah so he.

884
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: Had to bow. Out, okay here's the other person that they,

885
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:13,800
Wanted Blackie, lawless the lead singer for the rock Band.

886
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:15,880
Wasp they looked at.

887
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: Him that is a deep, cut my, friend you know

888
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,039
who that. Is he's like six' four. And, huge yeah

889
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,920
he's but like, hyper intelligent but also kind Of The

890
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,000
marilyn manson of the. Early nineties.

891
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:28,159
Speaker 5: That's.

892
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: True yep they didn't hire him because he was. TOO

893
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,480
tall i thought that was. Really interesting so they said

894
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,480
it on this Guy Named. Robert patrick are you the

895
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:38,239
legal Guardian Of? John? Connor right who had Been In? Diehard?

896
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: Too right that was where they saw Him Die. Hard

897
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,880
too and his Appearance In diehard too is so fast

898
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,559
that if you blink, A.

899
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: MISSAGE yeah i call bs. On, this okay something else

900
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,880
they fell. To him they liked him, or whatever but

901
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,519
he was really a DISTANT third i, think.

902
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: Probably and he's done some good stuff, since then but

903
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:57,679
he was unknown at.

904
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: THE time i forgot to, mention one it's gonna blow your.

905
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,639
Skirt up you're ready?

906
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 5: For?

907
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,559
Speaker 1: THIS okay i love. My Skirt, b right this.

908
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,119
Speaker 2: Is gonna blow your. Skirt up who they thought about

909
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:07,400
FOR the t?

910
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:08,519
Speaker 1: One? Thousand Okay?

911
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,119
Speaker 2: Stephen segal wow? About that that would have.

912
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: Been interesting, oh yeah those fight scenes would have Been much.

913
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: The fight scenes would have. Been cool But Watching stephen

914
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,039
sagall run is one of the WORST things i have. Ever, seen.

915
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,639
Speaker 1: Okay so i'll throw this. In Now, robert patrick once

916
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:32,079
he had, the part he trained. On running he knew

917
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:35,280
that he had to run a bunch and one idea

918
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,000
that he had about the character was that he would

919
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,280
look around like a bald eagle Like his his eyes

920
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,320
would look and then his head. Would follow that was

921
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,880
the way That he that was the way that he

922
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:48,199
did the. Head movements but for, the running he knew

923
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,159
that from the waist up he had to be, completely

924
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,360
mechanical like it was like pump, pump pump looks, very

925
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,840
fluid didn't matter what was happening with. His legs he

926
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,519
had to be. Very fluid but he also knew he

927
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:01,559
had to be, fat asked and so he trained and

928
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,840
trained to get as fast as he could because he's

929
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,119
supposed to be like the. Speedy, guy yeah by the

930
00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:09,760
time they got, to filming he could easily catch Up

931
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,440
With edward furlong on. The motorcycle, he, Could yeah and so,

932
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:17,000
they're like could you just run a. LITTLE slower.

933
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: I heard that They're Trailing eddie furlong on. A trailer

934
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,800
they got the mop head on a Trailer And edward furlong,

935
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,159
is like WHAT do i do if he? Catches me and,

936
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:28,400
they're like he won't. Catch you and the next thing

937
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:33,000
happened was he tapped him on. The, shoulder, HI there

938
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:33,639
i am.

939
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: Pull over, a cardigan but thanks for.

940
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:43,039
Speaker 2: Asking one more name. For you the Character Of. Miles,

941
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:48,159
dyce yes he's the head computer Guy at cyberdine who

942
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,679
eventually builds sky in d and all. That stuff.

943
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: How MUCH longer i want to be able to pull?

944
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:58,519
Speaker 2: This? Up yeah that guy They Wanted. Denzel washington, oh

945
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:00,760
wow how? About that THAT was.

946
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,519
Speaker 1: I mean glory had come out at, That Point so denzel,

947
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:06,159
was somebody but. He wasn't He wasn't.

948
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: He WASN'T Capital D. Denzel, washington yeah and so his

949
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,039
quote on THIS was i read the script AND what

950
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,320
i saw this role doing was just all he did

951
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:17,119
was look scared and sweat.

952
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: Nailed. It yep and that's Why he's denzel with A,

953
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,719
capital d because that's exactly what this, character. Does right.

954
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,880
He's smart we see him, be smart and then we

955
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,639
get the reveal on the chip and the hand that we're, just,

956
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:33,960
like oh so we're not paying attention to him. At

957
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,320
all and, then yeah the next time we, see him

958
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,840
he's getting shot from behind and sweating and panting for

959
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:40,480
the rest of.

960
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: His time remove, our hat put your hand over. Your

961
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,000
Heart miles dyson is the true Hero of. Terminator two

962
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,360
he sacrifices himself to Change. The, future yeah AND then

963
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,960
t three craps all. Over, that yeah we, Salute You.

964
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:57,639
Speaker 1: Miles, dyson YEAH so i want to touch on that. Real,

965
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:02,119
Quick okay so when we Were doing ALIEN we I

966
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:03,840
mean i looked at a lot of Stuff That james

967
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,679
cameron had said and he, basically said, You know i'm.

968
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,360
Coming on they Didn't ask griutly to. Do this i'm.

969
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,719
Coming On and ridley was pissed and He goes and

970
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,519
it WASN'T until t three And the terminators that followed

971
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,039
that are really understood where he was, coming FROM because

972
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,360
i saw somebody else playing in my sandbox and it. Was,

973
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,599
DISTURBING yeah i can definitely. Understand, that yeah but like

974
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:35,559
we said About the aliens that Occurred after Aliens That james,

975
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:38,760
cameron made those don't meet. Our criteria you're.

976
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: Not discussing you can take All Those, Salvation Genesis, dark

977
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,599
FATE especially, t three put them in a.

978
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: Giant pile you can put them in a compressor and

979
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,960
you can hit the button and crush them.

980
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,159
Speaker 2: To death, that's right and we. Pull up we're gonna

981
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:01,480
knew the whole thing. From existence.

982
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:05,599
Speaker 1: So who ends up getting the Part Of miles dyson

983
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,280
is this Actor Named, joe morton who's been in quite

984
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,320
a bit, of stuff but he's most RECENTLY that i,

985
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,800
know of been in this Movie Called.

986
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: Justice league, oh yeah He is.

987
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,599
Speaker 1: Cyborg's dad and, you know you still haven't Seen the

988
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:25,440
snyder Cut Of, justice league which is a travesty because

989
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:31,239
it is so many more times greater than the just weedon. Theatrical,

990
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,000
Nonsense right he's got a much bigger part in. This

991
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:38,199
one and, to mention by, the way we Discuss the

992
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,079
snyder cut in detail on our other Podcast Called podcast Full.

993
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,480
Of kryptonite be sure and go check that one out.

994
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:48,280
As Well and i'd. Love so i'd like, to add

995
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,960
if you've listened, this far please hit the, follow button

996
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:55,079
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997
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,280
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998
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,159
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999
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:03,199
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1000
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:05,719
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1001
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,119
executive producer for as little as five bucks. A month

1002
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,719
now back to the casting, we Had That's. Miles dyson

1003
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,239
we also had one of my favorite Actresses from aliens

1004
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,199
back in, this movie who's she's been in a Ton

1005
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,360
Of james. Camera movies And That's. Jeanette goldstein she gets

1006
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,480
to play the part of the.

1007
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:26,559
Speaker 2: Foster, mom okay wait, a minute let's let's not glaze. Over.

1008
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:30,079
That yeah the woman Who plays Vasquez and aliens Yep

1009
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:36,480
Is john connor's. Foster. Mom yep she's, nearly unrecognizable.

1010
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:39,119
Speaker 1: Doesn't look the same, at all, different accent, has freckles not,

1011
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,000
all tanded DIFFERENT race i, mean, HAIR yeah I mean and.

1012
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,920
The husband his Name Is, xander, berkley right He. Plays,

1013
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,760
todd yeah and he's this kind of. Deadbeat guy but

1014
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,079
he Was In air force One With harrison ford as the, bad,

1015
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:55,480
guy right like he's The special agent. Bad.

1016
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 2: Guy yeah he was in the first season of twenty

1017
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,760
Four With. Keith ersolin he's been in.

1018
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,119
Speaker 1: A lot we have a Guy Named michael edwards who

1019
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:05,920
Plays Old john connor at the beginning of, the movie

1020
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:06,880
the guy with the scars on.

1021
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 5: His.

1022
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: Face yeah He Dated priscilla presley for a. Long time

1023
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:15,480
when they finally, broke up he wrote a Book, Called

1024
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:18,360
elvis Priscilla, and me which was a take on hers

1025
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,360
book which Was called Elvis and, me basically what do

1026
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,800
you do when you're the Guy dating. Elvis's, widow, right yeah. You're,

1027
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,760
nobody yeah but he was his male model who hooked

1028
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,320
Up With. Priscilla presley, he said nice beaver and she,

1029
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:37,800
SAID thanks i just had. To, Stopped, Yes winner and

1030
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,119
then We Have earl bowen back again As, doctor siverman

1031
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,159
going even slimier than he Was in. Terminator one he broke.

1032
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: My arm there are two hundred and six bonds in the.

1033
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: Human body.

1034
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: That's one, all, right due let's take a. Quick break

1035
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,000
we're going to do our. New thing this is Called

1036
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,559
The Shirley. Fan salute so we reached out to one

1037
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:57,800
of our, good Friends Mister, james buckley and we, just,

1038
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,719
said hey let's talk about an episode that we've done

1039
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,599
before that. You like te us what. You Think way

1040
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:04,480
in on our, final judgment he wanted to weigh In

1041
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:06,840
On fright Night Versus. Lost boys here's what he had.

1042
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,639
Speaker 4: To say what, Is happening jason And d This Is

1043
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,960
james buckley coming at.

1044
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,119
Speaker 5: You, From. Minuroe louisiana were the only thing.

1045
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,199
Speaker 4: Worse than the traffic is usually. The, traffic anyway it

1046
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,320
is a huge honor to be asked a way in

1047
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,199
on an earlier episode and The episodes i'm choosing are

1048
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,360
not very, seasonally appropriate but there were. Great, episodes nonetheless

1049
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,400
it was where you guys had a Showdown Between The

1050
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,599
lost Boys And. Fright night, Straight up i'll, Tell you

1051
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,639
i'm a huge horror, movie fan and if you liked

1052
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:33,960
the scary stuff, like me there was no better era than.

1053
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,679
Speaker 5: The eighties so many great movies were released.

1054
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 4: In, a decade including the two we're talking, about today

1055
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,239
which were released with a two year span and are

1056
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,719
also my two favorite.

1057
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,079
Speaker 5: Vampire movies we'll start Off With The. Lost boys, FIRST

1058
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:47,440
off i love. This movie in.

1059
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,159
Speaker 4: My opinion it's the perfect artistic representation of the. Nineteen eighties,

1060
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:54,719
the clothing, the hairstyles. The music it's all over, the, top,

1061
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,920
bright FUN everything i remember about. The eighties and it

1062
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,679
was a great horror movie, as well with plenty, of

1063
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:03,159
scars great practical, special effects and Key for sutherlin doing

1064
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:05,920
a particularly great job as. A vampire, in fact if

1065
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,920
it weren't for the existence of the other movie we're talking,

1066
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:08,679
about today this.

1067
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 5: Would be my favorite. Vampire Movie But fright night.

1068
00:52:11,159 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 4: Does exist and it does win the top spot, with

1069
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:17,599
me mostly because of the Performance Of chris Sarandon As.

1070
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 5: Jerry dandridge he added a lot of character to. The

1071
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:21,960
vampire he didn't go to the bell to go.

1072
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 4: See route there was No Fake eastern, european accent no hiding.

1073
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 5: In. Shadows no he portrayed.

1074
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,679
Speaker 4: The vampire as, a smooth suave, lady killer but literally

1075
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,159
and figuratively even more sweater to.

1076
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 5: The disco for.

1077
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 4: Heaven's sake they're great supporting performances, as Well Particularly, steven

1078
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,599
jeffries who played the best Friend.

1079
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 5: Of petragonists he was really Good as.

1080
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,559
Speaker 4: Evil d we won't discuss cinematic pursuits after, this movie.

1081
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 5: But anyway he did a great. Job here it's a.

1082
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,199
Speaker 4: Close competition when it comes down, TO it i have

1083
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,960
To Give friday night the. Top SPOT so i NOTE

1084
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:55,639
when i was a junior in, high school a guy

1085
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:57,639
who opened a video store in, our town and of

1086
00:52:57,639 --> 00:52:58,719
course he looked Just Like.

1087
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 5: Billy, cale billy if, you Remember Was cheery.

1088
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: Dandridge's sidekick we never knew if he was a zombie

1089
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,039
of vampire, or what but this guy would just like

1090
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:08,239
him so much that you almost felt a little nervous

1091
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,079
going into his store. After, dark thankfully he left town

1092
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:13,280
the store shut DOWN before i could find out if

1093
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,159
he was hiding a confide in his, back room and

1094
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:17,400
that's probably for. The, Best, anyway guys thanks for. THE

1095
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,119
opportunity i love. Your show you're the highlight of my podcasting,

1096
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:21,920
a week and here's, to many many.

1097
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 5: More years surely you can't.

1098
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: Be, serious, Okay Awesome. Thanks james that. Was great i'm

1099
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,719
pretty sure you disagreed with both of us on. THAT

1100
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,559
one i think that we Both Picked Lost.

1101
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,559
Speaker 2: Boys friday Night And lost boys are, both awesome.

1102
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: Both fantastic those WERE his i think that was his introduction.

1103
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:40,760
To us was so apparently it's good enough to have

1104
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,920
somebody come in and become. Our friend so if you're

1105
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,800
listening now for the, first time go Check Out Lost

1106
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,639
Boys Versus.

1107
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 2: Fright night james interacts with. Us regularly he sends his Messages.

1108
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,880
On facebook he. Weighs in we love hearing. From him

1109
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,039
we'd love to hear from you. As, well james thank you.

1110
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:58,280
So much we appreciate your patronage and look forward to

1111
00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:58,920
hearing from me down.

1112
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: The line, All right so that does it for part

1113
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,159
One Of TERMINATOR versus. T two we will be back

1114
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,519
next week for the, second half we'll be back