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Speaker 4: All right, so kind of staying on track with the
Speaker 4: softball from the first hour. Two of the freshman signees
Speaker 4: that are coming in were named PGF All Americans or
Speaker 4: were named to the PGF All American roster. So, you know, glimmer,
Speaker 4: I hope at the light end at the end of
Speaker 4: the tunnel, even though there's a.
Speaker 2: You know what she she made Jenny mentioned something that
Speaker 2: was very interesting to me because everyone I hate I
Speaker 2: hate Facebook in terms of people throwing stuff out there
Speaker 2: almost as a bad word, throwing stuff out there without
Speaker 2: really knowing. And yesterday I saw one and I won't
Speaker 2: see what what was said, but maybe they should hire
Speaker 2: this person and without really knowing the story or the background,
Speaker 2: and Jenny brought something up. Okay, there's ten people, and
Speaker 2: Juan has probably brought him out a lot. You were here,
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe there's some that they didn't want back absolutely,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because you had to clear
Speaker 2: house to bring people in and maybe refresh the roster.
Speaker 2: That's never taught. Well they left there was disgruntled or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well maybe maybe that's on the other end, you know, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe it's wasn't good for the You put up a
Speaker 2: fight to let him go, and exactly exactly it's like
Speaker 2: how much of a fight doesn't put up exactly. I'll
Speaker 2: say this, and I say this every now and again.
Speaker 2: When Coach K had his guys that left thereon had
Speaker 2: one Jeter with the guy with his Jeter whatever his
Speaker 2: name is. We had his uniform tucked in their right.
Speaker 2: So he left right the chancer and he came here
Speaker 2: one of the big guys went to issue and I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: if he was that good, you don't think for a
Speaker 2: second that Coach K is gonna fight his asked to
Speaker 2: keep him, keep him there right.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, they'd let him go. They let him
Speaker 3: go because you're not good, no, or you don't make
Speaker 3: the team better. There's a certain exactly you're you're constantly
Speaker 3: putting in pieces right into a program, and sometimes pieces
Speaker 3: don't fit. Yeh story ever, look, Coach Olsen said, and
Speaker 3: we're stealing raised time here, But coach Coach Olsen explained
Speaker 3: the kid that they didn't recruit. They did recruit, but
Speaker 3: they didn't sign because all the guys told him they
Speaker 3: weren't He wasn't an u A.
Speaker 2: Guy, wasn't you.
Speaker 3: I've heard that story and that was Gary Payton, the
Speaker 3: glove Like we're gonna pass on Gary Payton because in
Speaker 3: a couple of years we got this kid named David
Speaker 3: Salimara coming and we think he's more of an u
Speaker 3: A guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there you go. There are some other guys too,
Speaker 2: because they took some vote. Sure, guys, absolutely, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: sorry about that, man.
Speaker 4: I just try to bring up some interesting topics for
Speaker 4: you guys talk about anyways. Tomorrow Super Regional starts at
Speaker 4: you n C. Nine am. I know it's killing good.
Speaker 2: Nine am.
Speaker 3: Guys awake, then nine am will have to be I'll
Speaker 3: be ready to go. I know some of the guys
Speaker 3: we had the.
Speaker 2: Michael Live on yesterday and Brian Peterson, I guess he
Speaker 2: was leaving at three forty five in the morning to
Speaker 2: get to the plane and the plane wasn't ready or
Speaker 2: something happened. They missed her connections and that's the worst.
Speaker 2: The worst is actually that and then the luggage not
Speaker 2: showing up. You know that happened to me this weekend.
Speaker 2: Could you just get yesterday? Yeah? Did you have?
Speaker 4: I I had something at my house, so I didn't
Speaker 4: take all of them home, thankfully.
Speaker 2: So people want to know what's raised segment. Let's guess
Speaker 2: what's in raised luggage. We don't know because it's not
Speaker 2: it keep moving to the MLB.
Speaker 4: Diamondbacks just came back, well not just like a couple
Speaker 4: of hours ago. Rallied and had a seven run ninth
Speaker 4: to beat the Braves. Pretty interesting. I think there's so
Speaker 4: fourth in the well, I don't think. I know there's
Speaker 4: so fourth in the division. A Rocky's got to sweep.
Speaker 4: Watch out NHL. Another big game that happened last night.
Speaker 4: Uh Edmonton one four to three and O T.
Speaker 3: Did you know that Edmondon has a hockey teams team?
Speaker 3: Did you know that?
Speaker 2: I did, because you know how I know this When
Speaker 2: you're a kid, you have one of those little hockey things.
Speaker 2: It was a little with the sticks and you kind
Speaker 2: of I remember that that's anything. I had that and
Speaker 2: then it was like this is not fun because they
Speaker 2: couldn't go into the corner and get the damn thing.
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm talking about. It was a
Speaker 2: little it's like electric.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, the guys that were moving and things. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know. I had one of those two that sounds
Speaker 3: like it was a really cool concept.
Speaker 2: Video games.
Speaker 3: Before everybody had a video machine in their house, we
Speaker 3: had these board games.
Speaker 2: That was like before the Rock and soccer.
Speaker 3: About that about the at that time. Yeah, soccer, that's true,
Speaker 3: Yeah you armstrong? Yeah what else? NFL?
Speaker 4: Uh Yeah, we're getting into it. Another big one tonight
Speaker 4: is the Pacers and the Thunder. Obviously it's a nine
Speaker 4: points I think, yeah, nine and a half. Yeah, are favored.
Speaker 4: It starts at five thirty, so I will be recently
Speaker 4: now breaking some traffic laws getting back home to day.
Speaker 2: No, you don't have to watch the last you know, watch.
Speaker 3: Just the last fourth quarter, fourth quarter. You get home
Speaker 3: by the fourth. Well, you gotta check the score at halftime.
Speaker 2: It's fair just because see if it's worth tuning into,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Because if they're up thirty, Yeah, but yeah, I throw
Speaker 3: up twenty. Yes, you still got a chance. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: twenty is not even close anymore. As are coming back
Speaker 3: from twenty five to twenty seven now, Yeah, but thirty
Speaker 3: seems to be the point. You're down thirty, people are
Speaker 3: giving up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it makes sense and ChIL dinner take
Speaker 2: a night off.
Speaker 4: Also Game two of the College Softball World Series or
Speaker 4: a college World Series, the Women's the.
Speaker 2: Women's World Series.
Speaker 4: That's I'm taking Texas five Yeah, well they had the
Speaker 4: bases loaded in the first and yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't see what happened after that. I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they manufactured some runs that that call was critical. I
Speaker 2: still like, h.
Speaker 3: Do you know if it's the same umpire crew, they
Speaker 3: just oh, I don't know, they stay would assume they do,
Speaker 3: and I'm assuming they don't. It's just like in the
Speaker 3: MLBAM where they just kind of rotate positions.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but it was and every other
Speaker 2: it's like upon for the review. It's like the NFL
Speaker 2: Upon it's like five hour game upon for the review.
Speaker 3: Five more commercials to watch. Yeah, I couldn't believe that
Speaker 3: is an obstruction. What Yeah, it's all good. It's like
Speaker 3: you get in front of me.
Speaker 2: I ain't going through you, baby, I'm going around you,
Speaker 2: making go around.
Speaker 4: I actually have a question, what it like, do you
Speaker 4: think Kaylin Lowe should get like a bit like some
Speaker 4: slack cut for her just because, like you know, the
Speaker 4: regional didn't go the way that people wanted it to.
Speaker 4: But I mean you think about the season overall, and
Speaker 4: it's like you make the big toy.
Speaker 2: I talked about this yesterday. They had a fantastic year
Speaker 2: forty and thirteen. If that's it, Yes, and everybody, here's
Speaker 2: the problem. Here's the problem. The people talking a lot
Speaker 2: of crap don't either go to the games or pay
Speaker 2: attention that greatly. It's like it's like people, you know this, andy, people,
Speaker 2: people have questions, but they really don't know. They really don't.
Speaker 2: This is kind of curious. They don't. They don't. You know,
Speaker 2: how's this guy's doing, how's his health? Eddie? Do you
Speaker 2: And I said, do you really want to know? What
Speaker 2: are you trying to use the information for? You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? They don't. They're just My teaching is
Speaker 2: that the gossip, we're just muscles. They're just kind of
Speaker 2: like they can. You don't need to know, so don't ask.
Speaker 2: They just want some noise today. Yesterday's was that thing
Speaker 2: for me on Facebook, capt thinking you're throwing out names
Speaker 2: and you don't know the story. If you don't know
Speaker 2: the story, guess what, don't say anything muddy in the waters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because whatever you read on the internet is truth,
Speaker 3: right the gospel or creates more problems because yeah, those comments,
Speaker 3: those are the experts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, getting back to the NBA. Patino absolutely
Speaker 4: not interested in coaching the Knicks again.
Speaker 2: Dick won win. That was crazy, wasn't it? Fire that guy?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't like that dude, but what he
Speaker 2: did for the Knicks was insane for twenty five years. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh a lot of people were coming out saying that
Speaker 3: was just the dumbest move ever. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 3: New Yorkers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ahead, it's like, how impatient can you be? You know?
Speaker 4: It's like you just you just reached something that you
Speaker 4: haven't reached in so long. It's like, why are you
Speaker 4: going to fire him now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're saying that Brunson's dad is kind of like.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, the main game, we don't know, we're not there,
Speaker 3: we're not in that locker room.
Speaker 2: Good point. And you were listening to me, I list
Speaker 2: you're not in the locker room. You don't know? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're You're exactly right. It's why we go into the
Speaker 2: locker room, nesking, Hey, what's up with it? Last?
Speaker 3: It's on the gild Arena show. We don't know what's
Speaker 3: going on in that locker round?
Speaker 2: You do? You love that? See that's another one of
Speaker 2: those I covered Gilbert here. I didn't listen to him
Speaker 2: when he was here. I'm sure doesn't when he's I
Speaker 2: think they're hilarious. I do.
Speaker 3: I listened to him and uh Channing Fry, those guys.
Speaker 3: I like Channing and Richard a smart dad. I mean
Speaker 3: they come up with a great I don't know about Gilbert, Gilbert,
Speaker 3: it's it's entertainment.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is, just like this show he was entertaining here,
Speaker 2: him and Batman and Robin and Jason and these guys.
Speaker 2: We never lacked for stories. So who was gonna coach
Speaker 2: New York? Then? Who knows? But Malone? Did you sayim alone?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: That's like people have been throwing his name out there
Speaker 2: and the it's a recycled business. Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 4: I mean he took a team to the championship, so
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know that's probably a favorable look.
Speaker 3: About the Uh then Phoenix get a new coach, Yeah,
Speaker 3: some assistant from Kid right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe Booting hasn't he'll go to New York. Yeah, no, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he's I would hear he's a check of
Speaker 2: a coach. But I guess he couldn't pull this off
Speaker 2: here because he had some new ties. You were you
Speaker 2: were you there when he was coaching at the US
Speaker 2: and camps? Yeah, I remember him because he's from southern
Speaker 2: Arizona and he went to San Antonio. I remember him
Speaker 2: there because I went and worked to camp there at
Speaker 2: San Antonio one summer and he was there. All right,
Speaker 2: just keep keeping it, keeping the ball rolling.
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers says he's gonna fly into Pittsburgh tomorrow, and
Speaker 4: in that contract, I saw that.
Speaker 2: Good luck Pittsburgh, Good luck Bill. Are you a Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: guy who?
Speaker 3: No, I am not a Pittsburgh guy. I support the
Speaker 3: local Cardinals. Oh do you? But I have I have
Speaker 3: a lot of friends that are Pittsburgh fans. Yeah, good
Speaker 3: luck with that. He's just a toxic He's just a
Speaker 3: drama show at this point. But I don't want to
Speaker 3: throw rumors out there on Facebook. Well I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: If Cleveland had a spot open, he'd probably be there.
Speaker 2: Oh yea with all the other twenty five quarterbacks. Yes,
Speaker 2: that would throw really open just open tryouts, open, Mike,
Speaker 2: open tryouts in Cleveland. That would be hilarious. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's getting to a point too.
Speaker 2: It's like, do you guys, do you want this guy
Speaker 2: mentoring you know what I mean, it's kind of he
Speaker 2: would do that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess Flaco is kind of that way with
Speaker 3: his guys in that quarterback room. He's just kind of like,
Speaker 3: don't don't look at me for any help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's my job. I've been here a long time, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. He did good in that
Speaker 2: little Cleveland run a couple of years ago. Wow, he's
Speaker 2: a super Bowl champion, isn't he. Fortunately, Black Origin.
Speaker 4: Colts quarterback Anthony Richardson got sidelined with the shoulder injury.
Speaker 2: Someone breathed on him, yeah, something like that, he was hurt,
Speaker 2: Well he was, he got He's the one that took
Speaker 2: himself out of the game. Did he tapped out? You
Speaker 2: don't tap out.
Speaker 4: The quarterback man. That's that's kind of what you signed
Speaker 4: up for. Yes, Oh okay, I guess. Circling back to this,
Speaker 4: I guess the Knicks, uh well, Tom Thibodau getting fired
Speaker 4: was it was going in that direction for months.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know who's who wrote that.
Speaker 4: Someone said that, Yeah it was Julius dumb Ball for okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me because you know how it is.
Speaker 2: Well you you don't because there were.
Speaker 3: Like here, But if you have a player or two
Speaker 3: or three or four, it doesn't like to coach. Well,
Speaker 3: I had coaches. I was on teams that before that,
Speaker 3: coaches like that. So yeah, for sure, that's why I
Speaker 3: left where I left a couple of times. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: uh when you start to think you're smarter than the coach, right,
Speaker 3: it's not.
Speaker 2: Don't you think that's more of a case now now
Speaker 2: that hey I'm getting some scratch, I get some money,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just as smart as you. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: money doesn't make you smart. No, no, no, we'll stop
Speaker 2: with there. Yeah, that's it for me. Okay, those big newss. Okay,
Speaker 2: four twelve. How much time we have in the break?
Speaker 2: It's a five minute one. I mean, let's go to
Speaker 2: let's go to break. We'll get ahold of peat and
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Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I I'm the Ball here on
Speaker 2: Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera in today with
Speaker 2: me is Andy Brown. Now on the phone. We have
Speaker 2: the cornerstone, Pete Williams. Pete, how are you?
Speaker 12: I'm doing just fine, fellas.
Speaker 2: How was that knee holding up?
Speaker 12: You know, like I always say, it's still attached to
Speaker 12: the body. So that's a good thing. But now the
Speaker 12: thing is, the bones have been straight and the bones
Speaker 12: are solid.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 12: I still just have the issues the nerves, so that's
Speaker 12: just something I just got to live with pretty much.
Speaker 12: But but the bones are solid, They're intact. There's no
Speaker 12: issues there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and he was telling me a story. I
Speaker 2: don't I knew this was possible or likely. Uh, but
Speaker 2: he was telling me a story, and I said, hey,
Speaker 2: just call Pete. Uh because Tommy, I know you're your
Speaker 2: guys with Tommy, you know you're you're not bad, but
Speaker 2: it's not bad. And he was telling me. He was
Speaker 2: telling me, you know, because Tommy wants the connection you
Speaker 2: guys with his guys to talk about the history. Tell
Speaker 2: me your your love in telling them what it all means,
Speaker 2: because you do that almost every year.
Speaker 12: Well again, I'm not here to to take shots to
Speaker 12: Sean Miller, you know, because when the job opened up,
Speaker 12: my choice is for the Arizona job, going back to
Speaker 12: Don Miller, with Don Miller and Jamie Dixon one A,
Speaker 12: one B. If we get either one of them, I
Speaker 12: was gonna be happy. So I was happy with the choice.
Speaker 12: I think Sean did it, did a great job as
Speaker 12: far as the players he getting in. I know he
Speaker 12: gets a lot of flack for not getting to the
Speaker 12: Final four. I don't give no flack for that because
Speaker 12: his basketball things happened. I thought he was a great coach.
Speaker 12: I'm not happy with the stain that was from a program,
Speaker 12: you know, under his leadership. But at the same time,
Speaker 12: he never really embraced alumni. Some folks say he didn't
Speaker 12: really embrace Tucson. I can't really speak on that, but
Speaker 12: he never really embraced the alumni and former players or whatever.
Speaker 2: So you know, there was not that vine.
Speaker 12: When Tommy came in. It was just a complete reversal,
Speaker 12: maybe because they saw Arizona as the standard as far
Speaker 12: as building, you know, Gonzaga in the same makeup as
Speaker 12: Arizona's respectful coach show and everything. And Tommy caught me
Speaker 12: work when I was you know when the day the
Speaker 12: day of this press conference, he called me at work
Speaker 12: and I was hung up on it because I was
Speaker 12: somebody's else. I think I can't watch, and I almost
Speaker 12: hung up on him, but I took the call, and
Speaker 12: I'm glad I did. We had a great conversation, and
Speaker 12: that same day he had he had his former press
Speaker 12: conference in McHale where he got a little emotional. He
Speaker 12: got emotional with us when we did the zoom call,
Speaker 12: and basically he was saying, how important you know the
Speaker 12: history and the former players are. And he said, you know,
Speaker 12: if you guys are ever in Tucson and you guys
Speaker 12: don't come to the office, you know, I'm gonna be
Speaker 12: pissed off. And I think he meant that with every
Speaker 12: fiber of his heart, you know, so that that meant
Speaker 12: a lot to us. And he's he's more than proven
Speaker 12: that those were just words. You know, he's just he's great.
Speaker 12: So I told Coach Holston. You know, I don't tell
Speaker 12: a lot of people that I told Coach Holston because
Speaker 12: when the program went under that little stand of whatever meant,
Speaker 12: I had a hard time, you know, getting it from neighbors, uh,
Speaker 12: co workers and this and that, you know, pay you
Speaker 12: obey and all these other little catchy praises that came
Speaker 12: up with. And I remember telling Coach Houlston, you know,
Speaker 12: for the first time in thirty some years, I'm actually,
Speaker 12: you know, kind of shamed to be a part of
Speaker 12: the program, you know, based on what was going on.
Speaker 12: But when Tommy took the job, it was a complete
Speaker 12: three sixty for me, you know, and you know, you
Speaker 12: guys probably.
Speaker 2: Heart me say this again.
Speaker 12: It felt good to feel good about Arizona basketball again.
Speaker 12: And that's what Tommy Lloyd has brought.
Speaker 2: And your message to the guys when you when talk
Speaker 2: talk to them in the locker room.
Speaker 12: We got the players, Yeah, well, you know, all we
Speaker 12: can do is just kind of you know, give give
Speaker 12: them the history of what it was like, the struggles,
Speaker 12: the struggles that in the beginning, what it was like,
Speaker 12: and then the prosperity the program has had over the
Speaker 12: years and how proud we are of it. And they
Speaker 12: would truly understand once they get out of school a
Speaker 12: few years and you know, provided that, you know, the
Speaker 12: tradition of winning continues everything. I mean, it's uh, it's
Speaker 12: still just with a lot of pride, especially I think
Speaker 12: from our initial group, because you know, you know, when
Speaker 12: when Sean Miller came in, the program is down. That's
Speaker 12: a little different. When coach also came in, the program
Speaker 12: is rock bottom. So I think when people compare well
Speaker 12: so and so on the first few years they they
Speaker 12: did that well. When when when pasch Muller took over,
Speaker 12: Arizona was still a brand. They were still a brand.
Speaker 12: We were nothing when we came in with Coach O
Speaker 12: and we helped get that thing, started to build it up.
Speaker 12: So there's a difference. That's why the pride me and
Speaker 12: so many other players, particularly in my era, the pride
Speaker 12: we have in Arizona's nights because you know, we put
Speaker 12: in that grunt work and the seat it's the same.
Speaker 12: I won't say excellent, you know some good.
Speaker 2: That's the same.
Speaker 12: Success this program has had over the years just is
Speaker 12: truly amazing.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what I was telling Steve about was
Speaker 3: when you addressed the team and you're basically, hey, the
Speaker 3: reason why you guys are sitting in these nice chairs
Speaker 3: and this nice locker room is because the guys that
Speaker 3: came before you, right, the guys that did work before,
Speaker 3: and you're looking them up here, and it was you
Speaker 3: and all those guys up the front. But you didn't
Speaker 3: tell them, hey, play for us. You said play for
Speaker 3: the guys after you, like, you need to keep building
Speaker 3: it and play for the guys ten years from now.
Speaker 3: And I think that, I mean, that left me with
Speaker 3: a great impression of your leadership and what you mean.
Speaker 12: And if they do that, that means the program is
Speaker 12: going to continue to prosper. That's what it's all.
Speaker 2: About, correct. Yeah? Yeah, you how often you touch to
Speaker 2: tell me? I haven't.
Speaker 12: I haven't talked to at all this this offseason, but
Speaker 12: normally during the season. You know, I hit him up
Speaker 12: a few times of years, and you know, coach Lord,
Speaker 12: he always he always comes back with a snatched the
Speaker 12: little phrases things I can't repeat on the radio. But man, man,
Speaker 12: I'm just I'm just blessed. I feel blessed we have
Speaker 12: this guy running our program, and hopefully we'll have him
Speaker 12: for the next ten, fifteen, twenty years. How much longer
Speaker 12: he even wants to coach, because I'd love to do.
Speaker 3: You know, we are stacked going into this year, right absolutely.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Yeah, how did you feel? I had
Speaker 3: you on a couple of times during the season. A
Speaker 3: lot of it was it was down and then up,
Speaker 3: and then down and up. At the end, I think
Speaker 3: everybody had a feel good because of how they played
Speaker 3: in the tournament and the week or so before that too.
Speaker 12: Well, even still early in the season when we were
Speaker 12: going taking our lumps or whatever. I actually way back
Speaker 12: then and we're going to the tournament. You know, there's
Speaker 12: no not my mind, it's going to turn around. Sometimes
Speaker 12: it takes teams a little longer, but see what it
Speaker 12: is off so as people would see these names on
Speaker 12: paper and they get so caught up with I can't
Speaker 12: tell you how many years every y have so frustrated. Oh,
Speaker 12: we have so much talent there right now, We have
Speaker 12: so much talent, we have so much death and this
Speaker 12: is what. Guess what, you know, how many other teams
Speaker 12: in the country they have that same talent and depth
Speaker 12: and stuff like that. So it's not just isolated to
Speaker 12: just us. Everybody has just a matter of who's coming together,
Speaker 12: who's ever sustained it, particularly at the right time. So
Speaker 12: I felt we would be at minimum sweet sixteen team,
Speaker 12: which we did, and after that anything could possibly happen,
Speaker 12: you know. Unfortunately it didn't. But I came away from
Speaker 12: the season feeling feeling really good, particularly how we started
Speaker 12: and the way we finished.
Speaker 2: No question. In fact, Pete, I say that all the time.
Speaker 2: Every one says, all we're gonna have players, are gonna
Speaker 2: have players? I said, you are. But I've been covering
Speaker 2: this team for thirty some years, and guess what, I've
Speaker 2: never not said that one, And like this year they
Speaker 2: have as Andy says, they're stacked, okay, yeah, but still
Speaker 2: being stacked. They're ranked eighteenth going in right now, Yeah, chemistry,
Speaker 2: it means that means seventeen other teams have the same abilities.
Speaker 2: So it all shuts out. How does the team play together? Right?
Speaker 2: You only got one ball?
Speaker 12: Yeah? You know, you know, and I hate the wedding,
Speaker 12: but hey, since it, let's do it anyway. What if
Speaker 12: you know, you probably know where I'm going if Carter
Speaker 12: had it came back.
Speaker 2: Oh, Henry and Henry, hen that one hurt.
Speaker 12: Well, they both hurt. But to me, Henry came out
Speaker 12: of left field because that's the last thing I was
Speaker 12: expecting there, you know, because you know, Tommy could say
Speaker 12: that he felt that, uh, that Big Mo was maybe
Speaker 12: the better place. That still remains to me saying, but
Speaker 12: I love Henry's game. He too, thought he had opportunities
Speaker 12: and get better.
Speaker 3: Me too developed he developed over that last couples. Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, that was fun to watch.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, would you let me ask you real quick
Speaker 2: because you were you were mostly I think you can
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will.
Speaker 2: More near the basket blah blah blah. Could you have
Speaker 2: transitioned more on the outside like today?
Speaker 12: Well, isn't it always been a swing man the whole
Speaker 12: time I'd ever played and everything? But when I got
Speaker 12: to Arizona, you know, we we had two big pressman
Speaker 12: kids who you know, couldn't play, So I was forced
Speaker 12: to play center by default. I had no choice. But
Speaker 12: to play, and I tried to take on a center mindset.
Speaker 12: You know, this is what I'm gonna do. I was
Speaker 12: able to handle the ball, and I was actually guard
Speaker 12: high school and junior college screen and got to handle
Speaker 12: the ball. Well, that's thrown off the window. And that's
Speaker 12: like one of the things I tell young kids, even
Speaker 12: my son when he was in high school. Sometimes you're
Speaker 12: going to be asked play out a position, but you
Speaker 12: do what she has to do for the betterment of
Speaker 12: the team, which I felt I did. Nobody really knows
Speaker 12: how I Caey handled the ball. You know. Now I
Speaker 12: wasn't a great paramecuter by any means, but my game
Speaker 12: was totally different. I was a swingman. Then I got
Speaker 12: to Arizona and you got me playing center at six seven,
Speaker 12: one hundred and ninety pounds.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 12: But hey, somehow I poured it off.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well today's game is there's really no center
Speaker 2: unless you're you know of one or two guys seven six, yeah,
Speaker 2: even those.
Speaker 12: You know, the game just evolved, you know, with all
Speaker 12: the training, the skilled training and this and that. You know,
Speaker 12: we didn't do nothing that Johnt And like I said,
Speaker 12: I give it up like Steve Kerr and brought bront
Speaker 12: Horse and Cradick your gunning. Those guys man were practice
Speaker 12: over him, joke as still out there shooting around this
Speaker 12: and that. Hey when practice when first of all I
Speaker 12: busted my button practice Steve day. But when it was over,
Speaker 12: I was gone, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And don't get started on any of the nutrition or
Speaker 3: any of that stuff back They know that stuff back then.
Speaker 2: You you're supposed to drink and eat and.
Speaker 12: And as finnicky as I was, I wouldn't put it
Speaker 12: on the weight because I didn't really eat. People shoving
Speaker 12: butter and stuff and everybody knows only.
Speaker 2: Right, right, that's funny, that's funny. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I've ever asked you, maybe I have, just how you
Speaker 2: look back on your time here because you you were
Speaker 2: you to me here at the cornerstone without you and
Speaker 2: a couple of other guys just this place with me.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Steve bursting with pry only from this standpoint, uh
Speaker 12: where it was when we came in and not really
Speaker 12: knowing my place. My first disappointment was getting there and
Speaker 12: seeing I couldn't get number twenty four because David Haskin
Speaker 12: already had that twenty four was my jucode number, and
Speaker 12: so not being able to get that that was my
Speaker 12: first big disappointment. And then you know Plan Center and
Speaker 12: you know, hearing just hearing names like Kenny Fields and
Speaker 12: Stuart Gray. Guys you know I've seen in the high school's
Speaker 12: seen on TV because I was a juc on my
Speaker 12: first two years, and you know, knowing how big and
Speaker 12: strong they were, and already some of those self conscious
Speaker 12: by myself because again I'm only sixteenty and one ninety
Speaker 12: and how would I be able to play? But you know,
Speaker 12: under Coach Holsten, there was no excuses, and so it
Speaker 12: took a while for me to buy into that. But
Speaker 12: once I bought in, I understood that. I mean, I
Speaker 12: can't make excuses. I may be smaller, maybe a little
Speaker 12: lighter in the way, but I still got to go
Speaker 12: out to perform. Coach Olsa is not gonna feel sorry
Speaker 12: for me, and I was opponents, They damn sure ain't
Speaker 12: gonna feel sorry for me. So I'm bursting with pride,
Speaker 12: not only what we were able to accomplish, but again
Speaker 12: what they were able to sustain over all these years.
Speaker 2: So I don't think I'll ask you this one too,
Speaker 2: because you know in my book, I didn't ask you this.
Speaker 2: Maybe I should have. I know the relationship you and
Speaker 2: Lute had, which was a fantastic one like many of
Speaker 2: the other guys, But when when did you see him
Speaker 2: first kind of say, Pete, I really love you, you know,
Speaker 2: like when you said and you're thinking, damn, do you
Speaker 2: have some emotions?
Speaker 12: Oh, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 12: Bobby also would tell me all the time. She would
Speaker 12: she would always, she would tell me all the time,
Speaker 12: and her words were always, you know you're a favorite,
Speaker 12: don't you You know that you can't believe, you know, hyperberctly.
Speaker 12: I like to think it wasn't you know, But she
Speaker 12: would tell me that all the time. But then, you know,
Speaker 12: things change once you get out and you see that
Speaker 12: person more as a coaching conversation. When he would just
Speaker 12: call out of the blue, when I would see his name,
Speaker 12: you know in my phone, how excited I would get.
Speaker 12: And then even it worked because you know, when I
Speaker 12: was in probation, we're not supposed to be on our
Speaker 12: phone and stuff like that. But sometimes he would call
Speaker 12: and I would saying I would differ into the laundry
Speaker 12: rum or something like that, just to have my little
Speaker 12: private MoMA would coach, oh, you know, coach and the
Speaker 12: worker can't tup very blah blah blah blah, and just
Speaker 12: the And then when I would come out, you know,
Speaker 12: because a lot of times with improbation, your tenths all
Speaker 12: the time. But then when I come out after speaking
Speaker 12: with Coach O, my whole persona was changed. I'm I'm
Speaker 12: being missed the nice guy. That's not why, because I
Speaker 12: just talked to coach.
Speaker 2: You right, and hit that impact on you. Yes, And
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: It wasn't until after because I was a walk and
Speaker 3: I didn't get the warm fuzzies, you know from coach
Speaker 3: until way after. And it was me taking my daughter
Speaker 3: to one of his camps, and he sat my daughter
Speaker 3: down and said, you know what, your your dad was
Speaker 3: a great kid, and you played hard, and if you
Speaker 3: play hard like your dad did, you'll be a good
Speaker 3: player too.
Speaker 2: And I just went what And.
Speaker 12: And speaking of that mentioning kids, how how he knows
Speaker 12: everybody's kids name, you know. And I remember we had
Speaker 12: one one one function one of those areas on the
Speaker 12: room and I get together and there was a party
Speaker 12: in his house. This is when he was married to
Speaker 12: the lady Christina or whatever, and you know, I just
Speaker 12: kind of just sit back and even brought you know,
Speaker 12: I was able to bring one of my one of
Speaker 12: my friends with him, a unk with my family. But
Speaker 12: what I really blew me away is how Coach Holsten
Speaker 12: went around. He spent time with everybody from from Shane
Speaker 12: the top of any of the even the matters, whoever was.
Speaker 12: Coach Alsen made a point to spend time with everybody.
Speaker 12: I watched all this, you know transport. It was just
Speaker 12: it was a beautiful.
Speaker 3: Thing to see he did. He made you feel he
Speaker 3: made you feel good. Yeah, it made me not on
Speaker 3: the practice court, but afterward that's different.
Speaker 12: You know, before he walked on, when he's out there
Speaker 12: messing with he's got that mess around and stuff with
Speaker 12: the assistant coaches, particularly coach Burns Song, we goofing around.
Speaker 12: But when Coach Alsten walked through that door, man, man,
Speaker 12: it was different. It was it was different.
Speaker 3: Clocking in time you cried the clock in and he
Speaker 3: had the schedule right on this on this little white paper.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I got to memorize those things. That's
Speaker 3: where I sat everybody. Hey Brown, what's for conditioning to that?
Speaker 3: I go you're not gonna like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 12: Gonna ask you. I did him.
Speaker 2: But I so you're junior, your senior, Uh maybe at
Speaker 2: the same time Steve shows up and what do you
Speaker 2: think of Steve when you first gets here?
Speaker 12: Well, no, my junior year, Steve came in, but Steve
Speaker 12: was late because school had already started. So Steve may
Speaker 12: it came late that first week. And so we were
Speaker 12: at the used to play pick up games at the
Speaker 12: Tusson Community Center at that time, so I mean sometimes
Speaker 12: Becail bistically they were at the Tucson Tucson Athletic Club
Speaker 12: whatever they called it. We're playing pickup games and we
Speaker 12: knew he was coming. You know, he's just like some
Speaker 12: of the late late recruit coach shows saw this summer.
Speaker 12: And so he comes walking in, you know, a little
Speaker 12: little shorts T shirt or whatever, baseball cap, and you
Speaker 12: know there was a stop in action, but you know,
Speaker 12: we all kind of just went over and introduced ourself
Speaker 12: and a loose ball just kind of rolled over in
Speaker 12: the corner and he just kind of nonchalantly and he's
Speaker 12: basically sending like right out of bound. Nonsalantly just picked
Speaker 12: it up, fired him the jumper, nothing but net.
Speaker 3: Well that's where it started.
Speaker 2: That's where it started. Yeah, did because because if we
Speaker 2: did he play fait, did was Steve a favorite purposely or.
Speaker 12: You know, well none nessill because see didn't start. You know,
Speaker 12: Michael Tait and Brock our point guard, where our guards,
Speaker 12: and they're both natural point guards. So Steve came out
Speaker 12: off the bench the whole year. But I think, you know,
Speaker 12: obviously not only Coach O and the rest of the city,
Speaker 12: even though it's maybe a lessers than with bracing, even
Speaker 12: where whatever happened would happened to his dad or whatever.
Speaker 12: So he came off the bench. But going into the
Speaker 12: following year, you know when we assigned Creg McMillan, So
Speaker 12: now with coach did he and Michael Tate and brought
Speaker 12: Broncoors compete for the point and then Steve and Priig
Speaker 12: millan be compete for the two. And my respect for
Speaker 12: Steve grew even more because you know, Craig six six
Speaker 12: Craig had all the side McDonald's all American or whatever,
Speaker 12: but that didn't deter Steve one bit. You know, Brock
Speaker 12: beat out Mike Fair and square for the point. Steve
Speaker 12: beat out Craig Farans Square for the two and that
Speaker 12: was into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, imagine how good you guys would have been
Speaker 2: if Tate had stayed.
Speaker 12: Well, not only how good we would have been, because
Speaker 12: if Michael Tate had to stayed, he would have had
Speaker 12: a minimum ten to twelve year NBA career because he
Speaker 12: had everything you want in the point guard. He made
Speaker 12: presh wan Au packed in team his freshman year. They
Speaker 12: had the billboard of him bringing him down on Seedway
Speaker 12: Boulevard bringing out a basketball advertising whatever the radio station
Speaker 12: was that in Arizona basketball and Mike was pushing the
Speaker 12: ball down the court. So Mike was the future of
Speaker 12: Arizona basketball. But his father's and I love mister Takes,
Speaker 12: you know, we grew up together on Compton. Mike Michael's
Speaker 12: Fabably Wan't ruined that because Mike didn't really want to leave,
Speaker 12: you know, but you know, he listened to his pop
Speaker 12: and he left, went to Clemson. Had had a good career.
Speaker 12: Asked that one year with CBA Player of the Year
Speaker 12: when they went to the CBA. But if he would
Speaker 12: have stayed with coach Cholson, no question. Mike plays in
Speaker 12: the NBA ten to twelve years yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's when we say I say all the
Speaker 2: time because you guys tell me this, had you been
Speaker 2: patient a year or so, they would have they would
Speaker 2: have loved it, you know, because everybody wanted to transfer.
Speaker 2: Everybody came here wanted the transfer. But those who stuck
Speaker 2: it out here he didn't. He didn't.
Speaker 12: He didn't want to. He didn't want to. Tought the
Speaker 12: principal from his post, and he had to, you know.
Speaker 12: So that was unfortunately every because then you look at
Speaker 12: the injuries that we had when Brocklin down, and you know,
Speaker 12: Mike would have been solid because again and he was
Speaker 12: off press and Pact Canna's freshman year, you know, and
Speaker 12: he was the first player coach. Everybody keeps saying it
Speaker 12: with me, No, Michael Tate the first person coach time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I got to rewrite my books now.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, excuse miss, I got a few days.
Speaker 2: We fact no longer the corner sound. You just lost
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Speaker 12: You all right, I hope to see you this summer. Man.
Speaker 2: You got Pete man, be careful. That's that's good stuff. Hey,
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on
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Speaker 3: You thank you for having talk about sports. We could
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Speaker 2: anybody want to call him. That's a good show. I
Speaker 2: didn't know a few things about the Pete stuff, and
Speaker 2: I know a lot of the stuff from that era.
Speaker 3: I tell you, I've learned more from Pete just being
Speaker 3: around in the last couple of years at your camp,
Speaker 3: at the loud Wholsom fancy camp. And the guy is genuine.
Speaker 3: He is a family man. And what he says he's
Speaker 3: gonna do, he.
Speaker 2: Does he does right. Right, My thing is okay, So
Speaker 2: the camp has you know, thirty five to sixty seven
Speaker 2: year old guys, right, and he's a heck of a coach. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know he's why. He's demanding. He's demanding man.
Speaker 2: And he hates to lose.
Speaker 3: Oh, he hates to lose to the young whipper snappers.
Speaker 3: Who was it? Oh?
Speaker 2: This year my team won? Who is your coach? You
Speaker 2: and who? And who?
Speaker 3: Felicity one with me Fee and uh Reggie. I drafted
Speaker 3: the team and they coached it. Okay, smart, you're GM.
Speaker 3: She the GM. Yeah, he hates I have a good
Speaker 3: eye for talent value wa for seventy year old men.
Speaker 2: He didn't drip it off his foot. He's good. That's
Speaker 2: what I looked for it. I was like, you need
Speaker 2: a guard to win this tournament?
Speaker 13: You do?
Speaker 2: And I went out and got two good ones. That's
Speaker 2: what you need exactly.
Speaker 3: What's like everybody else get out the way guards win championships.
Speaker 3: So my claim to fame at Ludolson camp one year
Speaker 3: was I coach Julie Coach's grandson granddaughter.
Speaker 2: Okay, back in, back in his back and back at
Speaker 2: his camp. Yeah, okay, look you're on the air nine
Speaker 2: of the ball. Who's this?
Speaker 3: He is?
Speaker 12: Vic?
Speaker 2: What's word?
Speaker 18: So I had a little, uh contradictory, contradictory uh statement
Speaker 18: from you, and I wanted to see and he's there
Speaker 18: and he's a big.
Speaker 2: Booster and stuff.
Speaker 12: How you how you felt?
Speaker 18: So you were saying about the softball and you were saying,
Speaker 18: on one hand, you say, this is Tucson, where's this
Speaker 18: money coming from? And nobody has the money here, right,
Speaker 18: But on the other hand, you were saying, oh, softball, Uh,
Speaker 18: these people can't complain because they don't put the money
Speaker 18: into it or whatever. And like me, I'm a working stiff,
Speaker 18: and I'm you know, but I go to every sporting
Speaker 18: event in this town. Yeah, I see Javier and eighteen
Speaker 18: more than Andy does. I go to every high school game.
Speaker 18: I go to every single probably football game. I miss
Speaker 18: a few here and there. I go to girls basketball,
Speaker 18: girls softball. But I'm a kind of guy that I
Speaker 18: can't donate. I just don't have it.
Speaker 2: No, that's my point. And well, is that what you're
Speaker 2: trying to tell me? What do you what do you
Speaker 2: have an issue with you?
Speaker 18: You're you are trying to say, well, these people better
Speaker 18: put up or shut up.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, if you're going to complain, Vic,
Speaker 2: how do you think you're going to solve the problem.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the people complaining and helping the
Speaker 2: gym click or X, big big name is going.
Speaker 12: To help them. I'm hoping se Rivera.
Speaker 2: Hey, dude, I like my electricity and my mortgage needs
Speaker 2: to be paid. That's where my money is going. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, These guys can't do it for football, basketball, baseball.
Speaker 2: But Andy, not that you're that guy, but you know
Speaker 2: those people, I mean, how pockets, how big of the pockets?
Speaker 12: Vic? You have?
Speaker 2: You have season tickets. No, I don't do not do
Speaker 2: you go? Do you spend money to go to the game? Oh?
Speaker 13: I go to it.
Speaker 18: You know that I go to every get, every football.
Speaker 18: The only thing I don't really go to every game.
Speaker 2: Is is men's basketball.
Speaker 12: But I go to all the.
Speaker 18: Girls and I go to all foughtball.
Speaker 2: So you do your part. You do your part in
Speaker 2: a little way, right.
Speaker 18: I wish I could donate it. I'd give the million
Speaker 18: dollars to Caitlan and a second for an arm.
Speaker 2: Well, my whole point is, if you're going to complain
Speaker 2: and sell these things, I think you should maybe add
Speaker 2: a little to the kittie. You know, it's like a
Speaker 2: curse jar. You're gonna hate it. Put ten bucks into
Speaker 2: the curse jar.
Speaker 18: I mean I put in a jar, like I said
Speaker 18: that I could afford and whenever. I have my own opinions,
Speaker 18: but I kind of keep them to myself because I
Speaker 18: know how hard Cameland though worse and obviously to be called.
Speaker 18: I hate for anybody to be calling for my job,
Speaker 18: that's for sure.
Speaker 3: And I think, Vic, you're You're not the guy that
Speaker 3: Steve's talking about. You're the educated guy that has a
Speaker 3: as an educated complaint. And that's the people we appreciate.
Speaker 3: It's the people that make comments that have no idea
Speaker 3: what's going on, that don't come to games.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: You come to every game. You have an educated opinion
Speaker 2: because you're there, you.
Speaker 18: See it, and it does get expended. I mean even
Speaker 18: the high school games, and I go to a fun
Speaker 18: of them. It's five, seven, twelve dollars for every single game,
Speaker 18: and it adds up for an o geezer like me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're in the Steve rivera role. The same
Speaker 2: text brokeets. We gotta go. You gotta get another color
Speaker 2: you guys j great, Thank you gotta call Hello. You're
Speaker 2: on the Aaron nine in the ball I hope you're
Speaker 2: still here.
Speaker 13: Hey, favorite John, how you doing?
Speaker 2: Hey John? Could you hear your voice? Hey?
Speaker 13: Good talks. So a couple of quick things. As far
Speaker 13: as you're at baseball goes. You know, the restue the
Speaker 13: winning games. It's very simple. It's pretty repetitive with every sports.
Speaker 13: It's not the fundamentals. And if we keep playing good
Speaker 13: defense and we keep doing strikes, we've got a chance.
Speaker 13: You know, if you do no matter what, we got
Speaker 13: a chance. We can go try to tell in North Carolina.
Speaker 13: But who is better at the fundamentals. If you have
Speaker 13: walked lead off walks to start ings and softball and
Speaker 13: baseball in college, that kills you.
Speaker 12: And so if we can keep.
Speaker 13: You know, make them earn their way on and we
Speaker 13: just keep playing fundamental baseball, I think we got a
Speaker 13: great chance to compete and a chance to go to
Speaker 13: the World Series again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I haven't followed them as closely as I should have.
Speaker 2: Probably I didn't go to any games. Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: but chips come on at the right time. Obviously, last
Speaker 2: a few weeks after being kind of stunned by Utah
Speaker 2: and some of the other ones, you've been to the
Speaker 2: games by good pitching right.
Speaker 3: Now, some hitting, some good idea. What those last few
Speaker 3: games were crushing it? Yeah, I mean that's fun to watch.
Speaker 13: Well, when you have your best player off of the
Speaker 13: majority of the season and you're still able to win games,
Speaker 13: that means that you do a lot of other things. Well,
Speaker 13: you know, a lot of teams can't sustain losing your
Speaker 13: best your number one player, your first round draft pick,
Speaker 13: and still having a chance in the super regionals. Now,
Speaker 13: I do have a quick kind of nil question perspective
Speaker 13: question so you're seeing the impact that Kennedy as a
Speaker 13: pitcher has for taxes, tech, if the world season, the
Speaker 13: World Series right now, and you know, in softball it's like,
Speaker 13: if you can get one shutdown pitcher, if we have
Speaker 13: her on our squad, we've been playing for a championship
Speaker 13: right now too.
Speaker 2: No question, no question, I agree, you know.
Speaker 13: So, So my question to you, I guess is where
Speaker 13: is the value? You know, what is a return on investment? What?
Speaker 13: Because the eyeballs that are on Texas a softball program
Speaker 13: right now, to me are worth whatever she was, whatever
Speaker 13: the cost was for her forever, for whatever. The star
Speaker 13: pitcher that's entering the portal this year, who thinks, you know,
Speaker 13: how does a process like that. I'm just kind of curious,
Speaker 13: your guys.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong. I could be totally wrong. And
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to get her on the show at
Speaker 2: some point soon. Jenny Finch, she was the face of
Speaker 2: the softball world back in the day, right she was
Speaker 2: that million dollar picture back in the day, without being
Speaker 2: paid a million dollars. I mean you, I just want
Speaker 2: to solid firsthand without having to pay this woman on
Speaker 2: a million bucks.
Speaker 3: I'm different, different ballgame that then, but now it's people
Speaker 3: are getting paid, so you can't discredit that. The way
Speaker 3: that the money comes back to the school is how
Speaker 3: you recruit not just players, but people coming to your institution.
Speaker 3: So back when I went to grad school back in
Speaker 3: the nineties, I did a paper about that. It was
Speaker 3: a ball about how does your athletic department benefit your
Speaker 3: school as a whole? And you see a multi level
Speaker 3: return on winning a national championship. It's just it was
Speaker 3: in the writing it was you got you got more
Speaker 3: people come to your sending. You got more people wanted
Speaker 3: to come there. Your rights to sell merchandise goes up, right,
Speaker 3: your brand is boosted. So now you have now your
Speaker 3: shirts are thirty five instead of twenty five.
Speaker 2: And John, look at Texas tex She's coming back another year.
Speaker 2: She's got another year of eligibility.
Speaker 13: And to me, she like when I saw the shoes
Speaker 13: in the portal last year, I'm like, if there was
Speaker 13: any way to get her and spend what a cost.
Speaker 13: That's in no disrespect to the pitchers we had. We
Speaker 13: had solid pitching, but solid pitching is not next level pitching.
Speaker 13: And I think the common denominator with all of our
Speaker 13: championship teams is we have a dominant pitcher as our
Speaker 13: number one, and they really did. Back then they threw
Speaker 13: all the innings. We didn't have a second pitcher that
Speaker 13: they came. Man, I mean, Jenny fins through all the
Speaker 13: innings and you circle back to the pictures before. I'm
Speaker 13: just kind of curious how that, you know, like Kennedy
Speaker 13: woked to me, seems like, especially with what you just said, sir,
Speaker 13: seemed like it would be worth the money because, yeah,
Speaker 13: the chances to be on to playing against Texas in
Speaker 13: the World Series, you know, it's just and and then
Speaker 13: she ends up throwing a pitch down in the middle
Speaker 13: of that hate go figure on the test for walk.
Speaker 3: But here's the second part of that is, now I
Speaker 3: paid a million dollars for them. Now the next school
Speaker 3: is like, well, I'm gonna pay one point five yeah, right,
Speaker 3: and then the next things I'm gonna pay two. So
Speaker 3: this free agency stuff with then il's got a stop
Speaker 3: and it's gonna stop.
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to believe though you paid a
Speaker 2: million dollar picture with that, and then you paid shortstop
Speaker 2: fifty thousand first Pasion, what about me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Josh right, it's it's it's worth she was
Speaker 3: worth a million dollars. Yeah, easily worth two million, probably
Speaker 3: for Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: Who didn't know. If you didn't know about Texas Tech,
Speaker 2: you know about Texas Tech now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she just drove up the price for a picture. Right,
Speaker 3: you hit it on the hedge. It's not gonna stop.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 13: To pay the next elite ish or that's a hard
Speaker 13: thing to factor on all those ends. I mean, look
Speaker 13: at Pisa and how much money he made this year. Yeah,
Speaker 13: away for him, wanting to pay him a dime to
Speaker 13: getting whatever in North Carolina offered him, and he was
Speaker 13: worth it. He played it without him last year. We're
Speaker 13: a five hundred team without Visa and his performance like dream.
Speaker 2: It's funny because what got paid about that same money
Speaker 2: and you're thinking ballow you start, got a nice pitch. Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 2: hey John, thanks a bunch. Good to hear from you.
Speaker 2: Good questions, appreciate, thanks for listening. Has always. I think
Speaker 2: we're almost done right, Yeah, we got a minute, got
Speaker 2: a minute, Okay, thanks for coming on. And hey, give
Speaker 2: me some red and blue gum next time. The red gum,
Speaker 2: I'll bring you some. I don't know if they make
Speaker 2: that gum anymore. What was it like?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I don't know him and his popcorn. No,
Speaker 3: it us some Minty probably won. It's like a yeah,
Speaker 3: big Red or something, I remember what it was. Go
Speaker 3: look back to you. And then Ronald brought him his popcorn.
Speaker 3: You know, give me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I never got into popcorn stuff. It was all
Speaker 2: gum and water.
Speaker 3: Get into the game. He apologize to you one time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was all I didn't get you in the game.
Speaker 3: That was the first game of the tournament. We got
Speaker 3: blew out Team Ye Maryland I think it was, and
Speaker 3: he wanted to win so bad he forgot. I was
Speaker 3: on the bakatly a year before we lost. I'm playing
Speaker 3: this game to the last second. He was the only
Speaker 3: guy I didn't play. Apologized sorry, any, Sorry, hey coach.
Speaker 2: We won. Yeah, we gotta go. Thank you Any for
Speaker 2: showing up. Thank you Ray, thank you for showing up.
Speaker 2: Thanks me for showing up. Thanks