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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from

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the heart of Pendle Witch Country in the northwest of England.

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My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories.

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cryptozoology and big casts. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to episode forty seven of Paranorimal Pendl,

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broadcasting to the Paranorial UK Network at pauk radio dot com.

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So for this episode, I'm absolutely delighted that I've got

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a guest coming on who I've been trying to get

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on for months and months. It's Elaine Subten Kelly from

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the fantastically named Spector Detectors from up in the northeast

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of England. Elaine, thank you for coming on. We finally

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get to talk.

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Speaker 4: I know, thank you for having me. It's taken a

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bit of organizing, but you know, these things are worth

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waiting for.

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Speaker 3: It has indeed. Yeah, we've both had bouts of ill health.

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I think lost voices and colds and cots and all

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sorts of stuff. So it's absolutely great to have you on.

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So for people who don't know about spector detectors, when

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did all this begin for you? When did you first

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get involved in paranoial investigation?

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Speaker 4: Well, we started in twenty and eleven, so quite some

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time agoing ow to our thirteenth year, I can boy

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you with how it began. It's quite bizarre. As everything

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the paranormal.

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Speaker 3: Is, I'm sure it wouldn't be boring, so I'd love

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to know.

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Speaker 4: Well, I started working at a supermarket and I started

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doing night shift, and I didn't know that the supermarket

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that I started working with had a had a town

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little ghost. So we were working night shift and Bedforo

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was part of the team. We worked the same We

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worked together one night. We both worked the same department

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and we both experienced the spirit of a man and

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the man wore a boiler suit and we would see

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him out the corner of our eye and.

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Speaker 1: We would hear him.

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Speaker 4: And then there was a lady spirit as well, and

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she would clink the court hangers like she was looking

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for a size, and she would swear the necklaces and

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the whole of the store knew that the was haunted

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because toilet rolls would fly off the shelves and things

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will be seen on a SATV.

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Speaker 1: So that's actually what got us started.

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Speaker 4: We knew that we'd experienced it, but we wanted to capture.

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Speaker 1: Something on film.

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Speaker 4: You know how we all get that idea that it's

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you're going to be the one to prove that ghosts

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exist and you're going to catch it on film, and

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you're going to do this, that and the other, as

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if it's that easy. So we decided one night to

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google one of the most haunted buildings where we lived

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in the northeast of England, and it was a community

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center not too far from us, a couple of miles

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called Mainsforth Community Center, and we hired that and a

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small group of us went that night and we managed.

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We went with not much. I'da camcorder and bought a

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K two meter for you know, just to make it

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look like it does on the telly, and we had

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a voice recorder and we actually caught a man mourning

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on the recordings and it was literally ten seconds long

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if that, but it was enough to get us hooked.

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So that was how it began, and the reason I

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picked Spected Detectors was the guy who took the booking

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for our investigation said, well, you'll have to give me

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a group name, and I had to come up with

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something off the top of my head. And that's where

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I got Spected Detectors from. I don't know where I

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got it from, but there you go. I just thought

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it rolled off the tongue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. It's one of the one of the better names.

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I must have met it, certainly, it certainly does roll

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all the time. So before you started working in the shop,

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then did you did you believe in ghosts? Or yeah,

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Speaker 4: I did, like most people. Our family is a little

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bit strange. But because i'm fifty this year, you didn't

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talk about things. When you were younger, you know, a

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few saw a ghost. You didn't tell people it wasn't

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you know, because it's trendy and everybody knows about it now.

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was little, I used to see spirit. Most of my

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family did. My sister s spirit, but mam my dad

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used to see spirit, but we never talked about it.

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night of trans mediumship, and I just thought, you know what,

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this really isn't for me. Probably the most bizarre thing

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I've ever seen. Now I love things like that, but

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as a teenager, I thought they're all nuts. This is

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really bizarre that people are coming out with other people's

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voices and you know this, that and the other. And

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then I just thought, no, it's not for me, and

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it all kind of left me. Then it led me

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Speaker 1: Back with a vengeance.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know whether it's because when I was younger,

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Speaker 1: You get older you can.

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Speaker 4: So then I went back to Spiritualist churches and did

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development classes and mediumship and learned how to switch things

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on and switch things off and just got a bit

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understand And so I'm not saying I'm a medium. I

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don't go and given readings.

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Speaker 1: Or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: For all I love it, and I love terror cards

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and stuff like that. I save any gift that I

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have now for investigations. Pick something up, But it's not

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someone's gram or whatever. It tends to be linked with

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the building. And then and then there's no pressure then,

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you know, because if you're given a reading to somebody,

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they want to know everything and you have to be good.

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And you can't say, I've got an old lady that

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baked corn beef pies, because over the northeast had a

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grant that baked corn beef pies. But when you go

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on an investigation, you pick something up. And then when

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you find that, you look at the history and you know,

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newspaper archives and things like that, and you find that person.

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I mean, I'm going ahead of myself and talk about

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this later, but I went on an investigation on Sunday

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night and you'll never believe who came through there. But

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again that's another story.

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Speaker 3: It's just you can tease me with that and then

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move on. You've got to tell me what that's all about.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, on Sunday night we investigated an old munitions

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factory and it is now a trampoline and climbing place

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for kids, and it's called Rough fifty nine. And the

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reason it's called Rough fifty nine. Is that a Royal

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Ordnance Factory fifty nine. It's where the Acleve Angels used

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to fill shells for bombs in the war, right, And

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that's where it is. So we've been a few times.

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as I know, because they know that we're respectful. And

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there's a fine line between people's nanas who died in

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an ammunition factory. You've got to be respectful. You don't

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go stirring up things and trying to get evidence in

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Speaker 1: I am very respectful.

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Speaker 4: I've got family that work there, and we do things

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like playing music and trying to get them to communicate

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through music.

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Speaker 1: And we played Gracie Fields and Veal Rilin and you know,

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all them nice things.

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Speaker 4: And we were investigating on Sunday night and we got

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Edith Piaf, you know, pa, the French singer.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that came through.

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Speaker 4: She has anything to do with newtonnay Cliff and she

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has nothing to do with that factory. So why on

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earth we had Edith Piaff And we were doing automatic

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writing with a planchet and she even signed a name.

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Speaker 3: It's just well, yeah, I'm absolutely gobsmacked by that. So

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how how did you feel when when and the name

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Speaker 4: Well, we were we were in the room and I

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just again the whole mediumship thing, and I said, do

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you know what?

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Speaker 1: I keep getting this song in my head?

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Speaker 4: And it was that you know, no regret, I won't

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sing it to you because I'm not very good at

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singing in French.

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Speaker 1: And it was that song.

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Speaker 4: So I looked it up on YouTube and I played it,

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and then we started doing table tipping and the table

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started dancing, and I asked, because you've got to We

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asked three times because a really good medium assured me

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that if you've got a question, you ask it three

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times because on the third they can't lie to you, right,

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they can pretend to be people, but on the third

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they have to be honest. And I asked it three

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times and they said it was then when I looked

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through the photographs with a full spectrum camera, we've caught

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a lady and I've compared her picture and it looks

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awfully close to me. And then people were doing in

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the automatic writing and she and we watched it right

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Edith and then pasked, it was just I can't even

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I don't even know what it would be doing there.

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Speaker 3: No, sorry, I was just going to say that the

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signature of you if you managed to find her signature online.

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Speaker 4: And I asked, yes, I've googled it and I've compared

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hours with theirs. It's on the page. I can send

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you in if you like. And it's just, I mean,

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it's not exact, because it's never gon to be exact.

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Speaker 3: How did you feel at this point?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm always blown away by anything that spirit give

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us anyway. I mean, it's always great when somebody comes

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through was famous. But I just couldn't work out in

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my head why she chose to come through that night.

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Speaker 1: To us, it's not even.

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Speaker 4: As if we were thinking about, you know, because you

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might think of Winston Churchill or Viralin, because they did

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visit that factory. Gracie Feels visited that factory, Queen Elizabeth

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visited King George the Fifth, not Edith Paff.

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Speaker 3: That's just really we planned some of her music.

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Speaker 4: So when I got yeah, So when when I got

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that song in my head, I played it. I looked

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it up and I played it, and that's when the

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table started dancing, and then I played another one of hers.

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I think it was my Lord, and she's got another

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one Live Live and Rose, isn't it. I played all

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of them just because the energy was so electric.

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Speaker 4: We were kind of the table was spinning as we

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were playing it. But again, I just couldn't work out why.

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they might let me know if she does have kind

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of any links anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, either either drop me a line and I'll

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pass it on, or way gives you contact details later

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on at the end of the at the end of

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the podcast, and I'm sure people can can contact you

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direct if they know anything about it. It must be

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some sort of historical link.

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Speaker 1: I really don't, but hey, there must be something.

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Speaker 3: Certainly a big name, isn't it. I mean as well

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stop the recording now. I think I don't think we're

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going to be that. No, it's amazing, it really is.

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of spur you on to want to do more and

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more investigations. Then when you when you get that sort

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of result.

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Speaker 1: It does.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, we've we've investigated that building two or

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three times now, when every time we've got somebody different,

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it wasn't just that one building. The whole industrial estate

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Speaker 1: It was all hidden.

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Speaker 4: It had trains going and trains coming out. Nobody knew

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where it was. Tried bombit it, but they didn't actually

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one explosion happened in May nineteen forty five. Eight people died.

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realize and they weren't just I know they were called

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the Acliffe Angels, but they weren't just ladies. That were

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men there as well, who weren't fit enough to go

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to war but would work in the munitions factories. And

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there's so many take a layer of an oneion. Every

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time we go we get somebody else, you know, we

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find something else. Last time, not Sunday, the time before

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we all heard a man whistle, just whistle in his

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happy tune, and luckily that was caught on recordings and

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we said at the time, did you either of that?

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Speaker 1: And they were like, was that not you know, it

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wasn't me? Was that not?

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Speaker 4: No, it wasn't me, And it's all on recordings, but

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was a man?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I'm going to say there's obviously a

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lot of residual emotions there isn't there. Yeah, I think that.

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I mean, you know, we visit places that you can

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pick things up. I mean obviously you're obviously very adept

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at picking things up when you go somewhere, but a

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lot of it is to do with the emotion that's

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still sort of somehow attaches itself to an area, especially

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if there's been you know, people unfortunately dying in accidents

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and all and stuff like that. So so that's that's

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probably why it's such an active place.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, And I just think it's a trance

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for because there's not I've tried to do research, and yes,

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so secretive, you can't really go through the newspaper archives

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because nothing was printed. They didn't want anybody to know

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where it was. There's really nothing, not much. I think

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it's a way of them telling their story as well,

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because when I share things, people have come to me

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and said, actually, my grand work there, or my anti

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work there, and then they tell me things, you know,

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like one person said to me a relation of their

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started working there, and her job was actually to test

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the hand grenades. But she pulled the pin and she

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threw it too quickly, and they made her pick it

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up and through it again, thirsty on the job.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's unbelievable, doesn't it. I mean, Hell's.

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Speaker 3: Teeth absolutely shocking, isn't it really?

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Speaker 4: And then when when the factory closed and the war ended,

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they didn't really get so much as a thank you.

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It was just they were out of a job and

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it's just you it wouldn't happen now.

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Speaker 1: But it did.

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Speaker 3: Then.

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Speaker 4: Well, they just like to give us their voice and

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tell their story.

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Speaker 3: Because it's all been hushed up, hasn't it. And nothing

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was recorded at the time because obviously they were they

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were conscious of the Germans finding out exactly where. And

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of course these course got quite heavily bombing. I mean Newcastle,

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Newcastle got heavily bombed in the Second.

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Speaker 1: World Wars and Hardley Pool and all of those places.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course, she and hole and places like that, so,

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which I know is a bit bit further south. No,

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that's that's really interesting. You must have you must have

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felt quite amazed when you came away from there.

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Speaker 4: You sometimes come away with thinking you just shake your

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head and you just think, you know what, When people

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hear this, they're going to think we're absolutely nuts.

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Speaker 1: And I don't blame them.

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Speaker 4: But something you do don't yet because I think people

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go looking for famous people. That wasn't the case at all.

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And and if you're going to go looking for a

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famous person, and this is no disrespect to Edith, but

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would you go looking.

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Speaker 3: For probably not, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like people would go for the Create Twins or you know,

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all of that, but.

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Speaker 3: Not Wow, are you going back there again? At any point?

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Speaker 1: I would imagine.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, we try not to overdo places,

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but because we're our groups are very small. We only

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take ten people with us. We like intimate. I'm not

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into one of them that rocks up in a busload

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of people. If people want to have it, and we

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can't guarantee they're going to have an experience, but you've

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got more chance of having experience if it's intimate. And

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I think that spirit like to work with you as

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well on a smaller group, and they'll only show you

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what people like to know. Because sometimes we have a

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very quiet night, and I always think, is it because

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somebody is not quite ready yet to experience? You know,

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they only show you what I think they think you

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can handle. Sometimes we have I mean, the table was

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dancing and everything. Don't get us wrong, but and we

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did have tap responsors that was going off, and the

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rempod was going off, and the cat balls were flashing

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all over the place. But we didn't say full bodied

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apparitions everything. That's a few and far between. But Bev's

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really really good at taking photos. So with a full

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spectrum camera, she just knows where to point and I

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know that. And she doesn't download her own photos because

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she's like me, she's techno forbe She did it once

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and she wiped the loft so we didn't even see

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what she'd got. So now she takes the photos and

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she gives it to me and then I upload them.

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And there's always twenty thirty with something on that's unexplained. Always,

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And I don't just mean orbs, because you know that's

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the whole debate about ORBS. I mean, you know, full

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on faces and full on lights.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's we.

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Speaker 4: Just work really well as a team. But I think

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after so long, you kind of do they put you

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through the pacers, don't they?

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Speaker 1: They make you work for it.

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Speaker 4: They give you a little snippet and then makes you

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want to go back from one, and then you try

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a little bit harder and you put that little bit

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effort in and then and then it's snowballs.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 3: So do you have do you have a website? Or think?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what? I don't?

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Speaker 4: The reason I don't I did. I kept forgetting to

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update it. I kept in and forgetting to go on it.

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So I don't now. So literally, it's just through social media.

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It's just through the first book page. You've got Instagram,

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We've got a YouTube channel which has got thousands of

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videos on there. And every message and if anybody ever

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messages me, it's me.

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Speaker 1: It genuinely is me. That answers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well we'll get on to you how

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to get in contact with you later on. Then. So

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I believe you did an investigation a while ago now,

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But I believe you did an investigation in Minica of

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the woods Pendal Hill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 4: It was back in twenty twenty one. It was all

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after the COVID and everything. And then we decided we

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were coming down to Pendle and I booked a tour guide.

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I did that wrong actually, because I shouldn't have booked

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a tour guide, but I wanted somebody to show us

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way to go because we're nor Feast lasses I've never

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been to Pendle. Don't want to be lost on Pendall Hill.

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So we just thought we'd booker to a guad and

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we started at clithero Castle, right, That's where we went.

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And I didn't realize that the guy would tell us

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all of the history. I didn't want that because as

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an investigator, we wanted to see what we could catch. Anyway,

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he was lovely, the history was great, and we caught

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a photo of a man walking down from Clitheroe Castle

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again on the full spectrum camera and it went in

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the newspapers and everything.

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Speaker 1: This one, okay, I don't know who he was.

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Speaker 4: He definitely wasn't us, because I'm really careful when I'm

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taking photos and I don't catch the public. I'm really

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wary of that. And there was nobody around, so we

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went there first and Cletherorough Castle is lovely. It's beautiful.

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We were picking up soldiers looking at us. We've got

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some photos of people watching us from part of the castle.

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And then our guide took us up to Kendall Hill

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where he believed Malcolm Tower was.

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Speaker 1: Do you know where that is? Where it's supposed to be.

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Speaker 3: Well, nobody really knows where it is.

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Speaker 1: This guy took us where it's supposed to be. I

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wouldn't know.

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Speaker 4: It was just it was just on a hill in

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the middle of nowhere, and he was telling us the

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little bit of the tail about that place. He was

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telling us about a group that he'd had and somebody

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had thrown a tooth at them and the tooth hit

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them on the shoulder and they found the tooth on

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the floor. And as he was telling us the tail,

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something hit me on the shoulder and it made We

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couldn't find it, so I don't know if somebody had

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thrown the tooth or not, I don't know. But then

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that guide left us, so we were actually on Pendle

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on our own, in the dark. Yeah, and it was

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the It was the spookiest place I think I've ever been.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's very wind swept and it's very optum, and.

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Speaker 1: I don't it's because you built it, because you know

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the history, I think.

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Speaker 4: And it was creepy and it was dark, and we

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were somewhere near you'll know again. We went to like

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allege that looked like a bit of a quarry. I

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don't know whether you'll know where that is. And we

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put the portal on and we did all of them

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things and we did get some really really good results

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from the portal. We picked up on a plane crash,

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which I didn't know there was a plane crash on

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Pendle Hill till afterwards. And the portal, I'm trying to

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think what it said it They did say tooth. It

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did say about a priest, and it mentioned Alice. I mean,

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I don't know whether that was Alice Nutter or not.

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It mentioned a dog, it mentioned a Richard. I can't

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remember what else it said, but it was just and

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at this point we hadn't done any kind of research.

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I mean, I knew the Pendle witches were you know, witches,

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and but we didn't know about any histor. So that

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was quite interesting about the dog because there's that devil dog,

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isn't there supposed to be a devil dog.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it could. It could be a couple of things. Actually,

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that because one of the one of the the women

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involved in the Pedal Witches, said that the devil used

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to come to her as as her familiar as a

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as a black dog.

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Speaker 1: But it mentioned the dog.

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Speaker 4: I mean, recordings are all on YouTube as well. We

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heard a child talk and saying she needed help. I

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mean again, that could be anybody.

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Speaker 1: I suppose.

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Speaker 4: It said Grace is dead and it said hidden tooth.

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So I don't know what the tooth thing is, but

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the portal definitely said hidden tooth.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Did the berry teeth? I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Up allegedly allegedly they used to dig again, I mean,

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you've you know, you've you've got to look at four

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hundred years before kloy now with with this sport.

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Speaker 3: Allegedly dem Dyker, who was one of the matriarch of

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one of the families, used to dig bodies up their

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body's graves to use the bones and the teeth and

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whatever they could find in black magic rituals. That makes sense,

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but again, as I said, there's no there's no actual

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evidence of that. It's just it's just what's been passed

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down through you know, by a side tails over the

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last four over the last four hundred years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we were meant to come back down,

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but we just didn't get around to it. And I

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would I really do want to come back down, because

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I think we just scratched the surface. Really, I would

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do things slightly differently. I would go myself. I would

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think you could maybe join us if we ever come

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down that way.

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Speaker 3: I'd quite happily show you around. I'd quite happily be

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unofficial guide. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Because yeah, there's there's so much.

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Speaker 4: It was great, but we were a little bit worried

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about being lost in the dark. So yeah, maybe a

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bit shorter than we possibly would.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's it's for anybody who's thinking of

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going to Pendle Hill, and I wouldn't I wouldn't try

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and put anybody off actually going up the hill. But

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00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,680
there's there's a few things to bear in mind. One

476
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,559
is that you know, the families that were involved in

477
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,319
Pendle Which trials didn't live on the top of Pendle Hill,

478
00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:38,480
because you wouldn't. It's just far too wind swept, it's

479
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,920
far too bleak. It's two thousand feet above sea level.

480
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:45,559
If you don't know where you are, it's not a

481
00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:47,640
good idea to be up there in the dark. That's

482
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,400
that's I mean, we weren't at the top.

483
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 4: We're just on some kind of road and then we

484
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:59,000
went walking so far. But even so, yeah, the weather.

485
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: Can change quite quite quickly up there. Yeah, you know,

486
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,759
the mists can descend and you can suddenly find yourself

487
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:08,519
being being quite disorientated. And unfortunately, you know, there are

488
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,720
there are a lot of people who who come to

489
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:15,640
the area and they do wander off up Pendle Hill.

490
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,559
I mean, there are designated tracks, there is, there is

491
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:23,960
a path up the shoulder the very steep side of

492
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,759
the hill which I walked up myself in broad daylight

493
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:30,480
and in good weather, and I was absolutely knackerd when

494
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,279
I got to the top.

495
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,079
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't you wouldn't want to do it.

496
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: You wouldn't. You wouldn't want to do it in bad

497
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,480
weather or in the dark, you know. So you know,

498
00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:44,640
leaving leading people in an area like that that they're

499
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,640
unfamiliar with is is probably not not the best thing

500
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,160
to do. But as I say, I mean, I wouldn't

501
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,799
I wouldn't discourage anybody from coming. But but you just

502
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,480
have to be prepared, you know. It is. It is

503
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:59,599
quite quite a wind swept, quite quite a bleak place,

504
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,640
it is, and.

505
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: We don't scare easy.

506
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:04,759
Speaker 4: It wasn't like we were thought we were going to

507
00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:06,839
you know, be attacked by some spirit or anything. It

508
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,359
was just really it got dark really quickly, and you

509
00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:12,440
just think, you know what, we could be lost all night.

510
00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, it was just that kind of feeling.

511
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 4: Let's just go, let's just cut it short, let's just go.

512
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,000
I would later have gone earlier. I don't suppose you

513
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000
even have to be in the dark, you know, to

514
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:25,920
get the spirit box out or.

515
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,599
Speaker 1: Try and communicate or whatever. It just have to be dark.

516
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:30,960
But it just was.

517
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 4: And it was like I say, I'm too old to

518
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,839
be lost on any kind of hill. But yes, we

519
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,079
will go down. We've all spoke about it and said

520
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,559
we would we would really like to go to go back.

521
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: Well, there are there are places that you can visit

522
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,519
were where there are actual proper links to the to

523
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:57,119
the panel, which is so villages sort of like New

524
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,640
Church and roughly and places like that that the villages

525
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,400
around the sort of the foot of Peddal Hill which

526
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,200
is where obviously people, you know, people lived, They didn't.

527
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,319
I didn't live up on the top of the hill

528
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,480
because as you as you know, you know, it's it's

529
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:14,559
just you wouldn't you live down in the valleys where

530
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:18,200
it's it's more sheltered. So there are links you know

531
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,480
to places like roughly Adiam where they had the initial

532
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,920
investigations at Reed Hall. So there are there are lots

533
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,200
and lots of places that you can visit that have

534
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:34,160
really good, strong links to the peddle, which is and

535
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:36,440
probably one of the best places to go actually is

536
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:37,440
Lancaster Castle.

537
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 4: I know, I've messaged them a few times and it's

538
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:47,160
never been able to go. I'm not sure if it's

539
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,119
meant to happen it will.

540
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you can. You can go there as

541
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,440
as a sort of paying member of the public and

542
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:57,079
you can go around because it is still it is

543
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:02,480
still a working court so right and part of part

544
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:07,400
of the castle is a prison, so you don't have

545
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,279
access to to all of of of Lancaster Castle. So

546
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,319
you will be you will be going around with with

547
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,920
guides you know, who can only take you in in

548
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:20,039
certain parts of the castle, but they'll show you what

549
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,799
the pedal, which is what were held prior to the trial.

550
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:28,039
They'll take you into the courtroom where where the trials

551
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:33,200
took place, you know. So that's and then obviously you

552
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,640
know they were they were convicted at Lancaster.

553
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:38,039
Speaker 1: Yea, So.

554
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:42,079
Speaker 3: It is an interesting place to go if if if

555
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:44,000
you want to get that sort of angle of the story.

556
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:47,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't mind visiting there. We could maybe

557
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920
pop down there and do the whole thing together.

558
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:54,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like Lancaster's a really nice, really nice time

559
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:58,839
to visit anyway. So so what what are the favorite

560
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:01,359
investigations of yours? Have you done? Then let's let's move

561
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:04,079
let's move away from Pendleilm, which is and what's your

562
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:06,359
what's your the ones that really sort of stick in

563
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,640
your mind over the years.

564
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: Well, I tend to like, I like anything to do

565
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:14,519
with the war, you know, army bases, things like that.

566
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,559
They're me favorite. I mean to be honest with you,

567
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,079
I've got lots of favorites. But we go and you've

568
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:22,119
probably heard about it because again this is a regular

569
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,839
one with paranormal people. But the Northeast AirLand Sea Museum

570
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,400
to see them, it was the arif Usworth and It

571
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,480
was also Sunderland Airport many years ago, and it's aircraft

572
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:39,000
hangers and it's full of military vehicles and airplanes and

573
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,400
everything like that. It was almost haunted many years ago,

574
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:46,720
and I just love that as well. It's just it's

575
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:49,559
just the atmosphere of, you know, you take it all

576
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,880
in that these what these people went through, you know,

577
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,359
and and how hard things were back then.

578
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:57,799
Speaker 1: So that we go, and we're going back there a couple.

579
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: Of times this year. Next week we are returning to

580
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:05,240
an old brothel. I quite like a brothel or two.

581
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,400
This is a it's opposite Durham Prison and it was

582
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,119
a sixteenth century brothel but it was where the it's

583
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,680
called used to get a nickname of the Hangman's pub,

584
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:17,880
so to the dunk tow and it's where the hangman

585
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:20,920
used to go and get drunk before hanging people at

586
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:26,160
the prison. So that's really good. We've been invited back there.

587
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,759
We've been numerous times, but not for a good few year.

588
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:32,200
But the landlady contacted us and said can you come

589
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,519
back us. Things are kicking off again, glasses are sliding

590
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:39,359
off tables and so and it's haunted by children. Last

591
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,400
time we were there. We put a Victorian doll upstairs

592
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,119
on a stand and it flung it off. But it

593
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,920
didn't just fling it off after we'd just left, because

594
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,839
luckily accorded on CCTV, it was a good twenty five

595
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:54,160
thirty minutes after I'd set it up, and the strange

596
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,759
light came out of the wall, passed the doll, and

597
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,160
then the doll went and then it just pained through

598
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,839
the wall again.

599
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: So we're going back there.

600
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 4: So again that's that's a fascinating story because you've got

601
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,160
the working girls who've got the children that they had,

602
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,079
you've got the hangmen.

603
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: You tend to get communication.

604
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 4: From people who were at Durham Prison, and you can

605
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,240
imagine the people that have been at Durham Prison, and

606
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,240
it's just fascinating.

607
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: Where else what sort of things happened when you were there? Then,

608
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,200
apart from from the doll, what other things happened?

609
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 4: Well, we we tend to have caught things on film

610
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,480
there and on camera, you know, like full spectrum again

611
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,599
and we've caught a man last time, really clear. We've

612
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,079
caught I took a thermal image and camera into the

613
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,880
loft where this guy tends to hide from us.

614
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,039
Speaker 1: It was a bit of a bully. Was he ran

615
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:46,599
the brothel.

616
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: He's a bit of a thug and he doesn't like

617
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:52,079
me because I stand up to him. So he tries

618
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:53,480
to shout down at me and I won't have it,

619
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,880
and he swears a lot. And he was cowering in

620
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,400
the corner last time, and I caught him on the

621
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,680
thermal image and you can see him.

622
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,119
Speaker 1: He's got a hood up, just hiding out the way.

623
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: But the ladies of the night come and talk to

624
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:06,960
us and tell us, you know, the babies they've lost,

625
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,599
or the backstreet abortions that they've had to have for

626
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,920
It's just it's just their story, you know, just telling

627
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,559
us their story, because I mean Durham, I don't know

628
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:20,519
why they've ever been to Durham's lovely, isn't it. It's

629
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,839
full of really old buildings. We've done the Shakespeare Tavern,

630
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,680
that's the oldest pub. But on the way up to

631
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:33,039
the cathedral that was a brothel as well. Obvious coming

632
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:37,079
out and we get followed by prostitutes everywhere. I mean,

633
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,359
we've even done the Ripper. We've been to White Chapel,

634
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,240
We've done the Ripper sites. That was a great experience.

635
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,240
But then yeah, this year, what we've got. We're going

636
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,279
back to the Northeast Air Museum, that's a firm favorite.

637
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:55,720
We're going for Vain Tempest, which was a d l I.

638
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,640
Durham Light Infantry Militia barracks.

639
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: We're going back there.

640
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,079
Speaker 4: We're going back to Mainsfifth Community Center where it all

641
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:06,599
started for us, our very first investigation. We had gone

642
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:10,000
back there just to see what we can pick up

643
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,319
and see if we can get anything different. To be

644
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:14,079
honest with you, I can't really remember what we got

645
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:17,519
the time before because me memory's terrible for you know,

646
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:20,359
because I'm getting on a bit now. It's just a

647
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,759
fascinating place and that place is weird. We took a

648
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:28,000
lady with us, Sheila, and she said, do you know,

649
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:31,359
I really enjoyed coming on your investigations, but nothing really

650
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,480
happens to me. But she should have kept her mouth shut,

651
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,000
because that night we did a seance and she was

652
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:39,599
taken over. Believe it or not, spirit got really close

653
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,200
and she had to leave the circle and she was

654
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,559
in the toilet, in the haunted toilet, in the dark,

655
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:46,920
on her own, because she'd rather been there than in

656
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:47,480
the seance.

657
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: She's got to be really careful what you wish for.

658
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,039
Speaker 3: But what happened then with that?

659
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 4: He just felt like somebody was hugging her really really tight.

660
00:33:56,599 --> 00:34:00,839
Now the answers are weird again. We used to try

661
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,160
to do seances, and it's only when people have been

662
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,880
doing these things for years or practiced in a church

663
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,760
or you know, getting on a little bit and they've

664
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,360
done this all the lives. They give you hints and tips,

665
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:14,800
and then that's what this lady did with us. And

666
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,679
ever since then the seances have got better and better.

667
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,360
And now we've started putting red light, you know, like

668
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,639
trans medium ship red light in the seance, because we

669
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,079
find that people's face has changed quite a bit in seance,

670
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:30,440
and especially me, I grow a full on beard. I've

671
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,079
got full I've got photographic evidence of me with a

672
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,320
full on beard, and I look like I'm auditioning and

673
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,199
for the Greatest Showman. And that's but when people see

674
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:40,840
it with their own.

675
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: Eyes, it's like blimey.

676
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: But yes, getting back to Sheila, she felt like somebody

677
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,920
had they hugged her. She couldn't breathe. She was coming

678
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,119
out with really random things. She was getting names, and

679
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:51,400
I was saying, just give us them, and she was

680
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,519
giving us them and given us dates and things, and

681
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:55,840
then she said, I'm gonna have to leave. I'm gonna

682
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,719
have to leave this. I can't I can't, you know,

683
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,119
I can't stand this any longer.

684
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: And with a s she don't break the circle.

685
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 4: So we did all of that, letting her leave without

686
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,079
breaking the circle of hands. And then all the time

687
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:10,199
we were in the seance and shouting to make sure

688
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,400
Sheila was okay in the toilet where she was trying

689
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,039
to be sick, but she was fine. Nobody was harmed

690
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:17,599
in the making.

691
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:22,519
Speaker 3: So was was this the physical effect then of what

692
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,440
happened to her?

693
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,679
Speaker 1: Yeah? And we still laugh about it now.

694
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 4: And I mean, it wasn't funny because I even said,

695
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,559
oh my god, how we're going to explain to her

696
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:32,440
husband that she's died, you know, But we were joking,

697
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,760
but we obviously made sure that she was all right.

698
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,559
Speaker 1: We're all raky practitioners.

699
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 4: We all make sure everybody feels fine before we close

700
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,519
anything down or you know, do the close and pray

701
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:48,960
nobody leaves with anything. We make sure everybody is right.

702
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,519
We have full public liability insurance. We've been doing it

703
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:54,679
for an awful long time, but she just said, nothing

704
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,239
ever happens to me. And now now we always said, Sheila,

705
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,360
careful what you wish for.

706
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 3: And she said, yeah, no, be careful what you said.

707
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:04,679
So you're not getting away with the beard thing. What's

708
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,519
what's what's.

709
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: Well?

710
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:11,039
Speaker 4: My guide, I've met my guide, met one of my guide.

711
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:13,639
I've met a few and he has a full on beard.

712
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,960
And I met this is again when I was raki

713
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,760
a tuned. I met my guide of this guide, So

714
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,480
I believe he is my heal and guide, because I

715
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,119
believe you have different guides for different things. And it

716
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:29,760
tends to be when we do a seance, and honestly,

717
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,800
I can send you the photo and you wouldn't believe it,

718
00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:34,880
and it's actually caught on film as well. I have

719
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:41,400
a full on black beard on at least two occasions.

720
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,599
And then I mean it happens to some of the

721
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:47,840
other party. Shana does trans mediumship. Her her face changes

722
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,199
when she's communicate with spirit and people see it. We

723
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,679
went to the George at Petersbridge, which has links to

724
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,920
Dick Turpin. He hid in one of the tunnels there

725
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,000
and it's a bit of a potty mouth is Richard,

726
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,079
because we've spoken of times. It swears a lot. And

727
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,760
one of the ladies that had never been with us before,

728
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:08,599
we were doing a thing and she her face changed

729
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,360
and she looked like she had a scar down her face,

730
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,000
and it just if you'd do it right, it's it's

731
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:20,239
really really good evidence. But I would I would say,

732
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,079
if you don't know what you're doing, just please be

733
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:29,719
careful because people have they can take really poorly. Yeah,

734
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:33,480
you're asking the spirit to come really really close to

735
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:37,119
you and to show you things in whatever they where

736
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:41,119
they see, and if that's they can get really really close.

737
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:45,519
So I'm always sometimes I don't even join. Sometimes I'll

738
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,480
stay out and I watch just to make sure everybody's fine.

739
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,920
So I and keep an eye on it, you know,

740
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:53,039
depending where we are.

741
00:37:53,519 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you keep chucking names at me, Jack the Ripper, Yeah, hang,

742
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:06,559
got a minute, so go on what he said.

743
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:09,119
Speaker 1: He was a bit of he's a potty mouth.

744
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 4: The first time we've spoked to well, we did a

745
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:19,159
ghost walk around York, Richard. Yeah, yeah, Richard Turpin's grave

746
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,360
is at York, isn't it. Yes, I knew what we've

747
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,599
been to the George and I knew that he was

748
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:28,639
supposed to be there, but you just don't know if

749
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,360
it's four Claudire. Nobody knows, definitely.

750
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,079
Speaker 1: I mean the.

751
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,039
Speaker 4: Georgia Peacebridge has the story of the Grandfather's Clock, So

752
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,239
you know that song My Grandfather's Clock is too big

753
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,639
for the shelf and it's you.

754
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: Know that one.

755
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 4: Well, that's based on that hotel, the Georgia Peacebridge and

756
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,440
the clock. It's not the original Grandfather's clock that's long gone,

757
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,800
but there is a grandfather's clock there. Next to the

758
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,760
Grandfather's clock is a hidden tunnel. So while we were

759
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,119
there and the port all the spirit box was swearing,

760
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:59,840
and e and Jeffin I was asking the questions and

761
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,519
I turned out that it was Dick Turpan. So he

762
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:05,639
was talking to us and he told us he did

763
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,920
hide in there, and he was an outlaw, and this

764
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,840
that and the other, and did you just ask them questions.

765
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: It's just a person. But he is sweary. He's very

766
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,480
sweary guy. Yeah, so yeah, that's how we.

767
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: Would that not be. I mean, obviously he was what

768
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,039
was he he was was the eighteenth century.

769
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'd even googled if people swore back then.

770
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: Well, yeah. I was going to ask him, is that

771
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,880
how he would have spoken?

772
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,679
Speaker 4: Well, they did swear, I don't know whether he did.

773
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,679
I mean, he wasn't a very nice character. He's supposed

774
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,000
to be painted as this, you know, gorgeous hero, wasn't

775
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,360
he was?

776
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: He was?

777
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't he rape somebody?

778
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

779
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,039
Speaker 1: I think you know it's not it's not a very

780
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:49,400
nice character. Anyway.

781
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 4: I asked him about his grave and I said, are

782
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,880
you buried in that churchyard at York? And he said yes,

783
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,400
And I said, is it where your gravestone is? And

784
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,800
he said, no, he's not buried there. But that's that

785
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,880
is the foreclore, isn't it. You're trying to put grave

786
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,719
brothers off and.

787
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

788
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:08,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

789
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,599
Speaker 3: And plus they tended to bury him in marked graves,

790
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:16,679
didn't they, because you know these these uh, these these

791
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:18,880
sort of people that didn't want them to become sort

792
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,320
of you know, martyrs or Yeah.

793
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 4: So that's what he said, and you just confirmed that

794
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,480
yes he's there, but that no, that's not his gravestone.

795
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,920
It is his gravestone, but that's not where he's buried buried.

796
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 3: How did you feel about that? Then? Talking to somebody

797
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,440
of such historical notes.

798
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 4: You just you know what you kind of think and

799
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,719
it's really daft and you know what it's like. It

800
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,199
can get the clearest photo and catch anything. Somebody always

801
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:47,599
saying to you a fake, aren't they?

802
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:48,159
Speaker 1: That's fake?

803
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: Doctor, that that's not true. So then I just start

804
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,920
and then think, well, I can't share that. How can

805
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,440
I share that? I've spoken to Dick Turpin Because you're

806
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,119
always wary of going to get slated for that. You're

807
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:05,800
going to get absolutely slated, and you do. Unfortunately you do.

808
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,599
Speaker 1: And I get it.

809
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,639
Speaker 4: There are lots of fakes, you know there are, But

810
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:14,599
I don't gain anything from that. This isn't my job.

811
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,880
I work at a school. We all work. This is

812
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,159
a hobby and it's an expensive hobby. And when you

813
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,360
first have these things, you do think, you know what,

814
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,440
I'm going to make a mint from this. I'm going

815
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,199
to be the biggest international. And I don't like the

816
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:30,360
word ghost. I say it because I don't like it.

817
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,360
And I'm going to be paymous and I'm going to

818
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,000
this that you the No, you're not. It's the most

819
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:40,400
expensive hobby that you'll ever have. Your book venues. You

820
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,199
pay a fortune. Because people think paranormal and think I'm

821
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:45,920
going to charge you whatever they want for these venues,

822
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,039
and then if you don't fill them and cover that cost,

823
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,159
you have to pay.

824
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 3: For it yourself.

825
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 4: Yet it then and then and then, like you say,

826
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,159
you get this evidence and you think this is really

827
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,039
I mean, like Edith p fabulous.

828
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: I was chuffed a bit.

829
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,559
Speaker 4: But then in my back of my mind, I'm thinking

830
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,719
they are going to think you're a crank. I'm going

831
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,199
to think that you've just made it up. And that's unfortunately,

832
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,199
that's the way it.

833
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: Is, isn't it.

834
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 4: It is the paranormal groups out there, millions of them,

835
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,760
and it should be fun.

836
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:19,519
Speaker 1: You know, it's not. It's not going to be a

837
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,800
I mean gets wrong.

838
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 4: I know people do make a business from it, but

839
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,960
if you're going to make a business from it, you're

840
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,679
going to be out nearly every night. You're going to

841
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,320
be filling places. You're not going to be recording it

842
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,639
to catch anything. And what's the point in investigating somewhere

843
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:36,079
if you're not going to try and catch evidence on film?

844
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,760
And then you can't do it every night and have

845
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,480
all of them people there and then watch that footage.

846
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,800
It's just then a money making thing, isn't it. You're

847
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,840
just filling a scare factor.

848
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:53,079
Speaker 3: Exactly. Things are going to happen because you've got people

849
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:57,280
paying money. Ye go along to somewhere and they're going

850
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,280
to expect that something freak it's going to happen, and

851
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,480
if it doesn't, then they'll just move on to another group.

852
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:07,960
They'll go and pay them money to another group they.

853
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: Will and do.

854
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:14,119
Speaker 4: Our investigations aren't about scaring people, are quite the opposite.

855
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:16,760
I want people to come along with us, because you

856
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:17,800
do build.

857
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:18,119
Speaker 1: It up to something.

858
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 4: Don't you think you're going to get possessed like the

859
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,639
Exorcist and you're going to need a print and you

860
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:24,360
and then by the time they've been with us, and

861
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,760
I always say, you know, I'm going to try and

862
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,239
get this table to move. I want to try and

863
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,199
get to tip. Now if I was sat here and

864
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,599
that table tipped itself and die. But because you're asking

865
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:36,440
it and you're you're doing it in a really respectful way,

866
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,559
and when it actually happens, you're really it wasn't because

867
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:40,400
you're not scared.

868
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,559
Speaker 1: It's absolutely fascinating.

869
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I've had people check my tables for wires

870
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,480
and all sorts. There's nothing fancy about my tables. And

871
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:51,519
then then if they build up from that, and then

872
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:55,480
I don't want anybody to go home feeling like fear.

873
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: The same house.

874
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 4: If we investigate a building and the scared because they've

875
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,679
got a ghost. By the time we've been they actually

876
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:05,800
feel better about it because they know who the spirit

877
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,880
is and they know their name, and they know what

878
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,599
they wanted, and they know their history. And it's somebody

879
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,119
looking for a Sunday lost, or it's a baby looking

880
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:15,639
for it's mammo. And then it takes on a whole

881
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,960
different thing. And then they kind of embrace it. And

882
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,360
then nobody wants They not saying I want it cleansed.

883
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,320
They're like, oh no, And then they just want to

884
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,639
understand it. And if they have got a haunt, and

885
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:31,039
where it gets quite difficult. Usually if you negotiate and

886
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:33,320
you say, look, don't be around when so and so

887
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:36,559
is in the house. You know, you just don't cross

888
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:39,719
each other's paths, don't scare, and then and then it

889
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,559
tends to that works as well. You don't have to

890
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:44,480
go in guns blaze and then you know, get a

891
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,639
priest in and so have you.

892
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 3: Ever sorry have you ever encountered a really malicious spirit,

893
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,480
a polter garist, for instance, one that that is very physical?

894
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:01,159
Speaker 1: Hmmm, I have.

895
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 4: Not often, but I have and I and you'll know

896
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,440
the house. It's a pontifract.

897
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:09,559
Speaker 3: Okay.

898
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:14,199
Speaker 4: So yeah, so we we hired said house, I won't

899
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:15,840
say for advertising purposes.

900
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: And it was my.

901
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 4: Husband that said, if this is supposed to be Britain's

902
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,920
most haunted house, even if it isn't, as a paranormal investigator,

903
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,360
you can't not go. So I paid the money, which

904
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,360
stuck in my throat a little bit, and we went

905
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:35,079
and honestly it's I pulled up and I thought, well,

906
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:36,519
this is going to be rubbish and I don't know,

907
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:38,880
like you know, like properly under unto yourself, thinking one

908
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,639
ways of time that's going to be. And I was

909
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:45,239
setting up to say, say TV and I walked up

910
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,199
the stairs and something punched me in the stomach, and

911
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,440
it punched me that hard.

912
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:50,599
Speaker 1: I bent double.

913
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: Now I know that people have said about this house

914
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:57,440
that it's fake and it's this, and it's that maybe

915
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,480
things aren't active like it was for us, because I've

916
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:05,159
been twice, but that very first time I was punched,

917
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,119
and I took back everything disrespectful that i'd said, because

918
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:12,199
they obviously showed me who was boss. And I took

919
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,199
that investigation very very serious that night, and that night

920
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,239
on TV, we caught a full bodied apparition across the

921
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,039
living room and that was featured on TV. It was

922
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:28,000
featured on Unexplained Caught on camera. But I didn't even know,

923
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,599
because when you hire the house, they have the rights

924
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:36,360
to footage. Ah okay, So I didn't even know until

925
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,239
it was on, and then I thought, and somebody rang

926
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,920
me up and said, you don't know your footage is

927
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,639
on the TV. I didn't know about it. Now in

928
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,320
their in their defense, and I did contact them and

929
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,159
complain a little bit, and they did give me a

930
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,880
cheaper on our second return. And the second return wasn't

931
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,800
as good as the first. So I think it was

932
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:58,920
they'd given us everything that first time, and then they

933
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,320
must have thought, what you're doing as if we didn't

934
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,559
give you enough the first time, and then it kind

935
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,800
of it was. I still enjoyed it, it was still good,

936
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,199
but it wasn't on that level.

937
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,559
Speaker 3: I mean, I suppose that if I suppose if you

938
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,320
were the entity or an entity m HM had some

939
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:22,639
sort of consciousness and you were attached to this place. Yeah,

940
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:26,519
I can quite understand how how how the spirit will

941
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:28,280
get quite paved.

942
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: With all going on and somebody's there every single.

943
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: Night like a cash cow.

944
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's it is because it's it's fully booked

945
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:42,960
yours in advance, and it's every night. And I don't

946
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,480
know whether that was what paved me when I booked it.

947
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:48,599
You know, when you just think, you know this, really

948
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,920
it's going to be a waste of time. You know,

949
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,719
it's just an o there, and whether somebody in the

950
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,000
spirit world thought, which is not very excited about being here,

951
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:02,280
so let's just punch it. But it got my attention.

952
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:04,960
But I honestly, when I pulled up.

953
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,639
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, a waste of time, just a waste

954
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:07,920
of time.

955
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 4: We're going to be here for hours and hours and

956
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,199
it's just a waste of time. And then literally within

957
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,360
ten to fifteen minutes or I didn't even go to

958
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,119
the toilet on my.

959
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 3: Own after that, I can imagine.

960
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,599
Speaker 4: So something can physically hurt you like that, yeah, blind me.

961
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 3: Well, I've heard of that before. I spoke to a

962
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:33,079
lady who I did a podcast with quite a while ago.

963
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:37,599
Now who whose husband had a similar experience where he

964
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,360
was pushed down some stairs. So you know that physical

965
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:48,119
aspect of some of these hauntings, aren't You know, they

966
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:51,199
are rare, aren't they? But they're not They're not that rare.

967
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,079
They do happen.

968
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:53,679
Speaker 1: It definitely do happen.

969
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:56,559
Speaker 4: That's why I was saying about being careful in the seance, Yeah,

970
00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:59,280
because it can happen. The other other time, I was

971
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,079
really scared when we first started off, and when I

972
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:05,880
think now, we were very ignorant and there's places we

973
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,239
shouldn't have been when we when we've just been new,

974
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,760
you know, we should have. We did really build up,

975
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,440
going to community centers and things like that, you know,

976
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,360
kind of getting to know what you're doing. And then

977
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:21,800
I bought the Schooner Hotel at alm Mouth, which is

978
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,800
a smuggler's place, and it had been on the TV

979
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:27,880
and I thought, oh, we can do that. And we

980
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,000
went in a bedroom and I can't remember what number

981
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,559
it was, but it was the bedroom where it's the

982
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:34,280
most haunted, and he massacred all his family.

983
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: This guy. Right, Okay, so it's not got a great you.

984
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,079
Speaker 4: Know, let's all go and stay in a place where

985
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:42,840
someone bumped off his whole family. And I was there

986
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,000
and something had me by the throat and I could

987
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:51,760
feel his fingers and his thumb on my throat and

988
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,400
then I had to step out. That quite worried me

989
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,679
a bit because that had been my very first experience

990
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,639
with something actually touching.

991
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: Me like that.

992
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

993
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,559
Speaker 1: I mean since then, I've been globed and everything, you know,

994
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,280
so you kind of know. But back then I was

995
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:08,760
a rookie.

996
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't scary. Don't tell me Dick Turpin was involved

997
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:13,239
in that place.

998
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 4: No, you know, I've just said I'll go to brothels.

999
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,760
When I went to Shakespeare tavern A, Durham, and that

1000
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,280
was a brothel. I was in the cellar. You should

1001
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,000
see it on film. I mean it's night vision. He

1002
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,280
had more hands than an octopus and I'm jumping around

1003
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,679
all over. He was nipping me backside, he was doing

1004
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,039
all sorts, and it's.

1005
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,559
Speaker 1: You just tell them to get off, don't you know?

1006
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:37,159
Speaker 3: But yack.

1007
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,559
Speaker 4: Then if anybody is young and starts doing these things,

1008
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:42,360
you've got to be really really careful.

1009
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah you do. Yeah, you're quite right. And I

1010
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,599
think a lot of people don't don't realize just how

1011
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:49,639
dangerous it can be, do they? You know, because they

1012
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:52,039
see it all on TV, don't they. And and it's

1013
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,519
all very sexy, and it's all very glamorous, and it's

1014
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:59,920
all very you know, Discovery TV or whatever, all these

1015
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:04,760
these go something programs are open and it's it's very sanitized,

1016
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,079
isn't it. You know, it's all It's all for entertainment,

1017
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:07,440
isn't it.

1018
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: So it is for entertainment.

1019
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,519
Speaker 4: And you know what it's like, You sit for hours

1020
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:14,559
and hours and hours trying to get things to happen.

1021
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. And like I said,

1022
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:19,719
I have been touched.

1023
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I've come up with a demons. I don't

1024
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,360
know whether I use that word, but I have dealt

1025
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,119
with things that people have left behind by doing things

1026
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:30,000
that they shouldn't with wagy boards and things and not

1027
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:32,719
known how to close things down. And you know, we've

1028
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,679
dealt with things like that where we've had to do

1029
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:37,039
try to cleanse things.

1030
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,599
Speaker 1: But that's not what we do.

1031
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 4: I don't go looking for and that's not me saying

1032
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,000
I don't want to help people, because it's not that

1033
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:48,039
at all. But when I go to investigate places, I

1034
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:49,559
don't want to go for the Oh do you know

1035
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,280
it's got a demon. No, I don't really want to

1036
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,480
go and speak to a demon. I'd rather go and

1037
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:56,559
speak to Edith Piaf.

1038
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean.

1039
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 4: I'm just somebody's light hearted, somebody's grand and somebody or

1040
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,760
someone linked with the because we've done links with children

1041
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,719
railway and I've spoken to Timothy Hackworth, you know, in

1042
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,159
these famous people that's been in the railway, have been

1043
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:15,760
to the first ever railway ticket office. You know, all

1044
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,239
these lovely places that people don't really know that the

1045
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:19,880
history of them.

1046
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:20,079
Speaker 1: You know.

1047
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 4: I live at Bishop Auckland. Stan Laurel went to school

1048
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,880
where I went to school. His dad had a theater

1049
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,840
at Bishop Auckland. So I've spoken to stan Laurel's dad

1050
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,679
and ma'am and him. Okay, and I know there's another

1051
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,519
I'm choking names that you know, Anna.

1052
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,159
Speaker 3: I'm scribbling names down as you tell him.

1053
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 4: But yeah, and he's a normal guy telling me. He

1054
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:48,440
told me details that I didn't even know until I

1055
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,840
googled them and then I thought, this is stan Laurel.

1056
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: Stan Laurel amazing and huh.

1057
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,519
Speaker 4: So I've just I've just released a book today actually

1058
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,599
use you for a bit of a plug. And so

1059
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,519
I've just released today a book called The Haunt, The

1060
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:11,039
Haunt and History of Bishop Auckland, and that's to do

1061
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:13,920
with Stan Laurel and you know all of that, and

1062
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,000
we had a workhouse and.

1063
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:19,599
Speaker 1: We had you know. And it's only when you write.

1064
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 4: A book about your history that you think so sad like.

1065
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,079
It's there's a lot of you know, neglect, like people

1066
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:31,880
leaving the kids to starve and somebody had left a

1067
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,320
baby in a cupboard and it wasn't until that person

1068
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,039
died that they discovered the remains of a child in

1069
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:40,719
a cupboard in Bishop Auckland and it's just and everyone

1070
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,480
likes that creepy aspect. But Bishop as a town is

1071
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,639
you know, the Bishop of Durham lives at Auckland Castle,

1072
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:54,079
right and he doesn't now together with that, yeah, so

1073
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:56,599
we've got Auckland Castle, so it's the Bishop of Durham.

1074
00:53:56,639 --> 00:53:59,079
So obviously Durham Cathedral and the land of the Prince

1075
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,519
Bishops and all of that. It's based on Bishop Balkland,

1076
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:04,599
so steped in history. And it's two miles from where

1077
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,079
I live and I just tend to do ghost walks

1078
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,239
where people can come along and I do a little

1079
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,760
bit of a history too and tell them about it.

1080
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,039
And then I use the equipment to see if people

1081
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:17,159
will come through and talk and good old stand Laurel

1082
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,159
sometimes pops up.

1083
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: We just don't know amazing. I was going to ask

1084
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:22,880
you about Jack Jack the Ripper thing, but I think

1085
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,480
we'll leave that for another another podcast because I've got

1086
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,119
a funny feeling. We've still got a lot of ground

1087
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:29,480
to cover.

1088
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:33,559
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a long investigation, Jack the Ripper.

1089
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:37,559
Speaker 3: I can imagine. So Okay, so your book, where can

1090
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:38,559
people find your book?

1091
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:42,599
Speaker 4: It's just been released on Amazon? Ok So if they look,

1092
00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:45,360
I've got I've got a lot of books on Amazon.

1093
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,519
Speaker 1: It's under ap Kelly.

1094
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 4: So it's if there is a Jack the Ripper book

1095
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:54,079
we have. I've got a Mary and Cotton book that

1096
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:58,280
she's a serial killer from from here. Dealt a few

1097
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:03,159
times with missus Cotton as I. So yeah, that's my

1098
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,119
new was new one, The Haunting History of Bishop Auckland

1099
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:08,079
just released. It's five hundred page as long as it's

1100
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:10,639
a big read. But it does have spirit photography in it,

1101
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,199
and it does have I've done research so it's got

1102
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:19,840
the articles and the census and things like that, so

1103
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:21,559
paranormal things.

1104
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 3: If you can send me a link, I'll put it

1105
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,760
in the description for the podcast.

1106
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:27,119
Speaker 1: Brilliant.

1107
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, send me a link to your Amazon page with

1108
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,639
all your your books on. Now you've also got a

1109
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:35,119
YouTube channel as well.

1110
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have.

1111
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 4: It's just Aspected Detectors. I think it's fe Expected Detectors

1112
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,119
five one sixty six, but it's it's on. You know,

1113
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:45,920
I've got Spected Detectors Facebook page and all of that

1114
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,400
and all the links are on there. But yes, every

1115
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,719
single thing, as long as it's not private because obviously

1116
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,679
sometimes when we do investigations, people's family members come through

1117
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:59,320
and I'll never ever share that. Everything else, the whole

1118
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,360
dic turpan, the whole jack, the repair.

1119
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:02,519
Speaker 1: They're all on there.

1120
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 4: Wow, people want to sit and spend hours and hours

1121
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:07,159
going through it.

1122
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's my bedtime entertainment. And I think tonight

1123
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,360
when i'm because I like to troll through YouTube when

1124
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,840
i'm in bed, so I will I will definitely have

1125
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,760
a have a look for that. So people can just

1126
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,840
contact you through through any of those those channels.

1127
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, or my email addresses spected Detectors at Yahoo

1128
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,400
dot co dot uk.

1129
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,119
Speaker 1: Anybody, if anybody knows anything about Edith Paf, that would

1130
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:34,079
be great. Yeah, because I don't.

1131
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:36,079
Speaker 4: I mean I obviously know she is, but you know,

1132
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,039
if anybody can, if anybody is listening and think, actually

1133
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:40,719
I know about that, and yes, she go to.

1134
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,119
Speaker 3: K Yeah, yeah, the link to to where you. Yeah.

1135
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 4: If not, she's just seeing an opportunity and popped in.

1136
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,760
And I don't blame he well, just obviously wanted to

1137
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,320
hear her own songs being played.

1138
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,519
Speaker 3: And you certainly seem to hobnob with some of the

1139
00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:03,079
big names of history, don't you. It's been absolutely it's

1140
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:05,320
been amazing talking to you, It really has. I've been

1141
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,199
wanting to chat with you for a while, Elaine, and

1142
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,119
we're gonna have to do this again sometime because I've

1143
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:14,599
just I've just got that feeling that there's so much

1144
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:18,199
more you could tell me. And it's been absolutely amazing

1145
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,920
the stories that you've told me today. So thank you

1146
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,480
for that. I really do, really really do appreciate it.

1147
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you for having me.

1148
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 4: I'd love to come back on you know, I've got

1149
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,679
twelve years of stories we can go on and on

1150
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:29,039
and on.

1151
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 3: Well, I will definitely definitely have you back on. Thank

1152
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,639
you again for coming on this episode and hopefully people

1153
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:38,719
will enjoy listening to it as much as I've enjoyed

1154
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,960
listening to you, because you've been a fascinating guest. Thank you,

1155
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:46,400
Thanks having me no problem, take care, Thank you you too.

1156
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 6: You can visit my website at www dot Craig Bryant

1157
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,559
dot co dot uk. Paranormal Pendle will return, and remember

1158
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,880
to keep watching the shadows.

1159
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 4: Don't don't

1160
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: Do do