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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from
the heart of Pendle Witch Country in the northwest of England.
My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories.
Join me as we take a journey into paranormal, UFO sitings,
cryptozoology and big casts. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast.
Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to episode forty seven of Paranorimal Pendl,
broadcasting to the Paranorial UK Network at pauk radio dot com.
So for this episode, I'm absolutely delighted that I've got
a guest coming on who I've been trying to get
on for months and months. It's Elaine Subten Kelly from
the fantastically named Spector Detectors from up in the northeast
of England. Elaine, thank you for coming on. We finally
get to talk.
Speaker 4: I know, thank you for having me. It's taken a
bit of organizing, but you know, these things are worth
waiting for.
Speaker 3: It has indeed. Yeah, we've both had bouts of ill health.
I think lost voices and colds and cots and all
sorts of stuff. So it's absolutely great to have you on.
So for people who don't know about spector detectors, when
did all this begin for you? When did you first
get involved in paranoial investigation?
Speaker 4: Well, we started in twenty and eleven, so quite some
time agoing ow to our thirteenth year, I can boy
you with how it began. It's quite bizarre. As everything
the paranormal.
Speaker 3: Is, I'm sure it wouldn't be boring, so I'd love
to know.
Speaker 4: Well, I started working at a supermarket and I started
doing night shift, and I didn't know that the supermarket
that I started working with had a had a town
little ghost. So we were working night shift and Bedforo
was part of the team. We worked the same We
worked together one night. We both worked the same department
and we both experienced the spirit of a man and
the man wore a boiler suit and we would see
him out the corner of our eye and.
Speaker 1: We would hear him.
Speaker 4: And then there was a lady spirit as well, and
she would clink the court hangers like she was looking
for a size, and she would swear the necklaces and
the whole of the store knew that the was haunted
because toilet rolls would fly off the shelves and things
will be seen on a SATV.
Speaker 1: So that's actually what got us started.
Speaker 4: We knew that we'd experienced it, but we wanted to capture.
Speaker 1: Something on film.
Speaker 4: You know how we all get that idea that it's
you're going to be the one to prove that ghosts
exist and you're going to catch it on film, and
you're going to do this, that and the other, as
if it's that easy. So we decided one night to
google one of the most haunted buildings where we lived
in the northeast of England, and it was a community
center not too far from us, a couple of miles
called Mainsforth Community Center, and we hired that and a
small group of us went that night and we managed.
We went with not much. I'da camcorder and bought a
K two meter for you know, just to make it
look like it does on the telly, and we had
a voice recorder and we actually caught a man mourning
on the recordings and it was literally ten seconds long
if that, but it was enough to get us hooked.
So that was how it began, and the reason I
picked Spected Detectors was the guy who took the booking
for our investigation said, well, you'll have to give me
a group name, and I had to come up with
something off the top of my head. And that's where
I got Spected Detectors from. I don't know where I
got it from, but there you go. I just thought
it rolled off the tongue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. It's one of the one of the better names.
I must have met it, certainly, it certainly does roll
all the time. So before you started working in the shop,
then did you did you believe in ghosts? Or yeah,
you did?
Speaker 4: I did, like most people. Our family is a little
bit strange. But because i'm fifty this year, you didn't
talk about things. When you were younger, you know, a
few saw a ghost. You didn't tell people it wasn't
you know, because it's trendy and everybody knows about it now.
Back then you didn't, you'd be sectioned. So when I
was little, I used to see spirit. Most of my
family did. My sister s spirit, but mam my dad
used to see spirit, but we never talked about it.
And then when I hit my teenagers, I went to
a Spiritualist church with a friend and it was a
night of trans mediumship, and I just thought, you know what,
this really isn't for me. Probably the most bizarre thing
I've ever seen. Now I love things like that, but
as a teenager, I thought they're all nuts. This is
really bizarre that people are coming out with other people's
voices and you know this, that and the other. And
then I just thought, no, it's not for me, and
it all kind of left me. Then it led me
until I started working at the supermarket in my thirties
and it came.
Speaker 1: Back with a vengeance.
Speaker 4: But I don't know whether it's because when I was younger,
I wasn't mature enough to handle it, so obviously when.
Speaker 1: You get older you can.
Speaker 4: So then I went back to Spiritualist churches and did
development classes and mediumship and learned how to switch things
on and switch things off and just got a bit
understand And so I'm not saying I'm a medium. I
don't go and given readings.
Speaker 1: Or anything like that.
Speaker 4: For all I love it, and I love terror cards
and stuff like that. I save any gift that I
have now for investigations. Pick something up, But it's not
someone's gram or whatever. It tends to be linked with
the building. And then and then there's no pressure then,
you know, because if you're given a reading to somebody,
they want to know everything and you have to be good.
And you can't say, I've got an old lady that
baked corn beef pies, because over the northeast had a
grant that baked corn beef pies. But when you go
on an investigation, you pick something up. And then when
you find that, you look at the history and you know,
newspaper archives and things like that, and you find that person.
That's so it's such a buzz that you've got that.
I mean, I'm going ahead of myself and talk about
this later, but I went on an investigation on Sunday
night and you'll never believe who came through there. But
again that's another story.
Speaker 3: It's just you can tease me with that and then
move on. You've got to tell me what that's all about.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, on Sunday night we investigated an old munitions
factory and it is now a trampoline and climbing place
for kids, and it's called Rough fifty nine. And the
reason it's called Rough fifty nine. Is that a Royal
Ordnance Factory fifty nine. It's where the Acleve Angels used
to fill shells for bombs in the war, right, And
that's where it is. So we've been a few times.
We're luckily the only well, the only allow us aspire
as I know, because they know that we're respectful. And
there's a fine line between people's nanas who died in
an ammunition factory. You've got to be respectful. You don't
go stirring up things and trying to get evidence in
that kind of way.
Speaker 1: I am very respectful.
Speaker 4: I've got family that work there, and we do things
like playing music and trying to get them to communicate
through music.
Speaker 1: And we played Gracie Fields and Veal Rilin and you know,
all them nice things.
Speaker 4: And we were investigating on Sunday night and we got
Edith Piaf, you know, pa, the French singer.
Speaker 1: Yes, that came through.
Speaker 4: She has anything to do with newtonnay Cliff and she
has nothing to do with that factory. So why on
earth we had Edith Piaff And we were doing automatic
writing with a planchet and she even signed a name.
And I've compared her signature.
Speaker 3: It's just well, yeah, I'm absolutely gobsmacked by that. So
how how did you feel when when and the name
came through?
Speaker 4: Well, we were we were in the room and I
just again the whole mediumship thing, and I said, do
you know what?
Speaker 1: I keep getting this song in my head?
Speaker 4: And it was that you know, no regret, I won't
sing it to you because I'm not very good at
singing in French.
Speaker 1: And it was that song.
Speaker 4: So I looked it up on YouTube and I played it,
and then we started doing table tipping and the table
started dancing, and I asked, because you've got to We
asked three times because a really good medium assured me
that if you've got a question, you ask it three
times because on the third they can't lie to you, right,
they can pretend to be people, but on the third
they have to be honest. And I asked it three
times and they said it was then when I looked
through the photographs with a full spectrum camera, we've caught
a lady and I've compared her picture and it looks
awfully close to me. And then people were doing in
the automatic writing and she and we watched it right
Edith and then pasked, it was just I can't even
I don't even know what it would be doing there.
Speaker 3: No, sorry, I was just going to say that the
signature of you if you managed to find her signature online.
Speaker 4: And I asked, yes, I've googled it and I've compared
hours with theirs. It's on the page. I can send
you in if you like. And it's just, I mean,
it's not exact, because it's never gon to be exact.
It's automatic writing. It very very close, very close.
Speaker 3: How did you feel at this point?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm always blown away by anything that spirit give
us anyway. I mean, it's always great when somebody comes
through was famous. But I just couldn't work out in
my head why she chose to come through that night.
Speaker 1: To us, it's not even.
Speaker 4: As if we were thinking about, you know, because you
might think of Winston Churchill or Viralin, because they did
visit that factory. Gracie Feels visited that factory, Queen Elizabeth
visited King George the Fifth, not Edith Paff.
Speaker 3: That's just really we planned some of her music.
Speaker 4: So when I got yeah, So when when I got
that song in my head, I played it. I looked
it up and I played it, and that's when the
table started dancing, and then I played another one of hers.
I think it was my Lord, and she's got another
one Live Live and Rose, isn't it. I played all
of them just because the energy was so electric.
Speaker 3: M hmm.
Speaker 4: We were kind of the table was spinning as we
were playing it. But again, I just couldn't work out why.
And I'm sure if somebody knows anything to do with Edith,
they might let me know if she does have kind
of any links anywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, either either drop me a line and I'll
pass it on, or way gives you contact details later
on at the end of the at the end of
the podcast, and I'm sure people can can contact you
direct if they know anything about it. It must be
some sort of historical link.
Speaker 1: I really don't, but hey, there must be something.
Speaker 3: Certainly a big name, isn't it. I mean as well
stop the recording now. I think I don't think we're
going to be that. No, it's amazing, it really is.
So Yeah, I mean that that that must really sort
of spur you on to want to do more and
more investigations. Then when you when you get that sort
of result.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 4: Like I said, we've we've investigated that building two or
three times now, when every time we've got somebody different,
because there was thousands of people were there. I mean,
it wasn't just that one building. The whole industrial estate
was undercover.
Speaker 1: It was all hidden.
Speaker 4: It had trains going and trains coming out. Nobody knew
where it was. Tried bombit it, but they didn't actually
know where it was. But people lost their lives in there.
You know, they were dealing them with explosions that you know,
one explosion happened in May nineteen forty five. Eight people died.
Twenty one people were really badly injured. And people don't
realize and they weren't just I know they were called
the Acliffe Angels, but they weren't just ladies. That were
men there as well, who weren't fit enough to go
to war but would work in the munitions factories. And
there's so many take a layer of an oneion. Every
time we go we get somebody else, you know, we
find something else. Last time, not Sunday, the time before
we all heard a man whistle, just whistle in his
happy tune, and luckily that was caught on recordings and
we said at the time, did you either of that?
Speaker 1: And they were like, was that not you know, it
wasn't me? Was that not?
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't me, And it's all on recordings, but
was a man?
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I'm going to say there's obviously a
lot of residual emotions there isn't there. Yeah, I think that.
I mean, you know, we visit places that you can
pick things up. I mean obviously you're obviously very adept
at picking things up when you go somewhere, but a
lot of it is to do with the emotion that's
still sort of somehow attaches itself to an area, especially
if there's been you know, people unfortunately dying in accidents
and all and stuff like that. So so that's that's
probably why it's such an active place.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, And I just think it's a trance
for because there's not I've tried to do research, and yes,
I can do a little bit, but because it was
so secretive, you can't really go through the newspaper archives
because nothing was printed. They didn't want anybody to know
where it was. There's really nothing, not much. I think
it's a way of them telling their story as well,
because when I share things, people have come to me
and said, actually, my grand work there, or my anti
work there, and then they tell me things, you know,
like one person said to me a relation of their
started working there, and her job was actually to test
the hand grenades. But she pulled the pin and she
threw it too quickly, and they made her pick it
up and through it again, thirsty on the job.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's unbelievable, doesn't it. I mean, Hell's.
Speaker 3: Teeth absolutely shocking, isn't it really?
Speaker 4: And then when when the factory closed and the war ended,
they didn't really get so much as a thank you.
It was just they were out of a job and
it's just you it wouldn't happen now.
Speaker 1: But it did.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 4: Well, they just like to give us their voice and
tell their story.
Speaker 3: Because it's all been hushed up, hasn't it. And nothing
was recorded at the time because obviously they were they
were conscious of the Germans finding out exactly where. And
of course these course got quite heavily bombing. I mean Newcastle,
Newcastle got heavily bombed in the Second.
Speaker 1: World Wars and Hardley Pool and all of those places.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course, she and hole and places like that, so,
which I know is a bit bit further south. No,
that's that's really interesting. You must have you must have
felt quite amazed when you came away from there.
Speaker 4: You sometimes come away with thinking you just shake your
head and you just think, you know what, When people
hear this, they're going to think we're absolutely nuts.
Speaker 1: And I don't blame them.
Speaker 4: But something you do don't yet because I think people
go looking for famous people. That wasn't the case at all.
And and if you're going to go looking for a
famous person, and this is no disrespect to Edith, but
would you go looking.
Speaker 3: For probably not, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like people would go for the Create Twins or you know,
all of that, but.
Speaker 3: Not Wow, are you going back there again? At any point?
Speaker 1: I would imagine.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, we try not to overdo places,
but because we're our groups are very small. We only
take ten people with us. We like intimate. I'm not
into one of them that rocks up in a busload
of people. If people want to have it, and we
can't guarantee they're going to have an experience, but you've
got more chance of having experience if it's intimate. And
I think that spirit like to work with you as
well on a smaller group, and they'll only show you
what people like to know. Because sometimes we have a
very quiet night, and I always think, is it because
somebody is not quite ready yet to experience? You know,
they only show you what I think they think you
can handle. Sometimes we have I mean, the table was
dancing and everything. Don't get us wrong, but and we
did have tap responsors that was going off, and the
rempod was going off, and the cat balls were flashing
all over the place. But we didn't say full bodied
apparitions everything. That's a few and far between. But Bev's
really really good at taking photos. So with a full
spectrum camera, she just knows where to point and I
know that. And she doesn't download her own photos because
she's like me, she's techno forbe She did it once
and she wiped the loft so we didn't even see
what she'd got. So now she takes the photos and
she gives it to me and then I upload them.
And there's always twenty thirty with something on that's unexplained. Always,
And I don't just mean orbs, because you know that's
the whole debate about ORBS. I mean, you know, full
on faces and full on lights.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's we.
Speaker 4: Just work really well as a team. But I think
after so long, you kind of do they put you
through the pacers, don't they?
Speaker 1: They make you work for it.
Speaker 4: They give you a little snippet and then makes you
want to go back from one, and then you try
a little bit harder and you put that little bit
effort in and then and then it's snowballs.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: So do you have do you have a website? Or think?
Speaker 1: Do you know what? I don't?
Speaker 4: The reason I don't I did. I kept forgetting to
update it. I kept in and forgetting to go on it.
So I don't now. So literally, it's just through social media.
It's just through the first book page. You've got Instagram,
We've got a YouTube channel which has got thousands of
videos on there. And every message and if anybody ever
messages me, it's me.
Speaker 1: It genuinely is me. That answers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well we'll get on to you how
to get in contact with you later on. Then. So
I believe you did an investigation a while ago now,
But I believe you did an investigation in Minica of
the woods Pendal Hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 4: It was back in twenty twenty one. It was all
after the COVID and everything. And then we decided we
were coming down to Pendle and I booked a tour guide.
I did that wrong actually, because I shouldn't have booked
a tour guide, but I wanted somebody to show us
way to go because we're nor Feast lasses I've never
been to Pendle. Don't want to be lost on Pendall Hill.
So we just thought we'd booker to a guad and
we started at clithero Castle, right, That's where we went.
And I didn't realize that the guy would tell us
all of the history. I didn't want that because as
an investigator, we wanted to see what we could catch. Anyway,
he was lovely, the history was great, and we caught
a photo of a man walking down from Clitheroe Castle
again on the full spectrum camera and it went in
the newspapers and everything.
Speaker 1: This one, okay, I don't know who he was.
Speaker 4: He definitely wasn't us, because I'm really careful when I'm
taking photos and I don't catch the public. I'm really
wary of that. And there was nobody around, so we
went there first and Cletherorough Castle is lovely. It's beautiful.
We were picking up soldiers looking at us. We've got
some photos of people watching us from part of the castle.
And then our guide took us up to Kendall Hill
where he believed Malcolm Tower was.
Speaker 1: Do you know where that is? Where it's supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Well, nobody really knows where it is.
Speaker 1: This guy took us where it's supposed to be. I
wouldn't know.
Speaker 4: It was just it was just on a hill in
the middle of nowhere, and he was telling us the
little bit of the tail about that place. He was
telling us about a group that he'd had and somebody
had thrown a tooth at them and the tooth hit
them on the shoulder and they found the tooth on
the floor. And as he was telling us the tail,
something hit me on the shoulder and it made We
couldn't find it, so I don't know if somebody had
thrown the tooth or not, I don't know. But then
that guide left us, so we were actually on Pendle
on our own, in the dark. Yeah, and it was
the It was the spookiest place I think I've ever been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's very wind swept and it's very optum, and.
Speaker 1: I don't it's because you built it, because you know
the history, I think.
Speaker 4: And it was creepy and it was dark, and we
were somewhere near you'll know again. We went to like
allege that looked like a bit of a quarry. I
don't know whether you'll know where that is. And we
put the portal on and we did all of them
things and we did get some really really good results
from the portal. We picked up on a plane crash,
which I didn't know there was a plane crash on
Pendle Hill till afterwards. And the portal, I'm trying to
think what it said it They did say tooth. It
did say about a priest, and it mentioned Alice. I mean,
I don't know whether that was Alice Nutter or not.
It mentioned a dog, it mentioned a Richard. I can't
remember what else it said, but it was just and
at this point we hadn't done any kind of research.
I mean, I knew the Pendle witches were you know, witches,
and but we didn't know about any histor. So that
was quite interesting about the dog because there's that devil dog,
isn't there supposed to be a devil dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could. It could be a couple of things. Actually,
that because one of the one of the the women
involved in the Pedal Witches, said that the devil used
to come to her as as her familiar as a
as a black dog.
Speaker 1: But it mentioned the dog.
Speaker 4: I mean, recordings are all on YouTube as well. We
heard a child talk and saying she needed help. I
mean again, that could be anybody.
Speaker 1: I suppose.
Speaker 4: It said Grace is dead and it said hidden tooth.
So I don't know what the tooth thing is, but
the portal definitely said hidden tooth.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did the berry teeth? I don't know.
Speaker 5: Up allegedly allegedly they used to dig again, I mean,
you've you know, you've you've got to look at four
hundred years before kloy now with with this sport.
Speaker 3: Allegedly dem Dyker, who was one of the matriarch of
one of the families, used to dig bodies up their
body's graves to use the bones and the teeth and
whatever they could find in black magic rituals. That makes sense,
but again, as I said, there's no there's no actual
evidence of that. It's just it's just what's been passed
down through you know, by a side tails over the
last four over the last four hundred years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we were meant to come back down,
but we just didn't get around to it. And I
would I really do want to come back down, because
I think we just scratched the surface. Really, I would
do things slightly differently. I would go myself. I would
think you could maybe join us if we ever come
down that way.
Speaker 3: I'd quite happily show you around. I'd quite happily be
unofficial guide. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, there's there's so much.
Speaker 4: It was great, but we were a little bit worried
about being lost in the dark. So yeah, maybe a
bit shorter than we possibly would.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's it's for anybody who's thinking of
going to Pendle Hill, and I wouldn't I wouldn't try
and put anybody off actually going up the hill. But
there's there's a few things to bear in mind. One
is that you know, the families that were involved in
Pendle Which trials didn't live on the top of Pendle Hill,
because you wouldn't. It's just far too wind swept, it's
far too bleak. It's two thousand feet above sea level.
If you don't know where you are, it's not a
good idea to be up there in the dark. That's
that's I mean, we weren't at the top.
Speaker 4: We're just on some kind of road and then we
went walking so far. But even so, yeah, the weather.
Speaker 3: Can change quite quite quickly up there. Yeah, you know,
the mists can descend and you can suddenly find yourself
being being quite disorientated. And unfortunately, you know, there are
there are a lot of people who who come to
the area and they do wander off up Pendle Hill.
I mean, there are designated tracks, there is, there is
a path up the shoulder the very steep side of
the hill which I walked up myself in broad daylight
and in good weather, and I was absolutely knackerd when
I got to the top.
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't you wouldn't want to do it.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't. You wouldn't want to do it in bad
weather or in the dark, you know. So you know,
leaving leading people in an area like that that they're
unfamiliar with is is probably not not the best thing
to do. But as I say, I mean, I wouldn't
I wouldn't discourage anybody from coming. But but you just
have to be prepared, you know. It is. It is
quite quite a wind swept, quite quite a bleak place,
it is, and.
Speaker 1: We don't scare easy.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like we were thought we were going to
you know, be attacked by some spirit or anything. It
was just really it got dark really quickly, and you
just think, you know what, we could be lost all night.
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, it was just that kind of feeling.
Speaker 4: Let's just go, let's just cut it short, let's just go.
I would later have gone earlier. I don't suppose you
even have to be in the dark, you know, to
get the spirit box out or.
Speaker 1: Try and communicate or whatever. It just have to be dark.
But it just was.
Speaker 4: And it was like I say, I'm too old to
be lost on any kind of hill. But yes, we
will go down. We've all spoke about it and said
we would we would really like to go to go back.
Speaker 3: Well, there are there are places that you can visit
were where there are actual proper links to the to
the panel, which is so villages sort of like New
Church and roughly and places like that that the villages
around the sort of the foot of Peddal Hill which
is where obviously people, you know, people lived, They didn't.
I didn't live up on the top of the hill
because as you as you know, you know, it's it's
just you wouldn't you live down in the valleys where
it's it's more sheltered. So there are links you know
to places like roughly Adiam where they had the initial
investigations at Reed Hall. So there are there are lots
and lots of places that you can visit that have
really good, strong links to the peddle, which is and
probably one of the best places to go actually is
Lancaster Castle.
Speaker 4: I know, I've messaged them a few times and it's
never been able to go. I'm not sure if it's
meant to happen it will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you can. You can go there as
as a sort of paying member of the public and
you can go around because it is still it is
still a working court so right and part of part
of the castle is a prison, so you don't have
access to to all of of of Lancaster Castle. So
you will be you will be going around with with
guides you know, who can only take you in in
certain parts of the castle, but they'll show you what
the pedal, which is what were held prior to the trial.
They'll take you into the courtroom where where the trials
took place, you know. So that's and then obviously you
know they were they were convicted at Lancaster.
Speaker 1: Yea, So.
Speaker 3: It is an interesting place to go if if if
you want to get that sort of angle of the story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't mind visiting there. We could maybe
pop down there and do the whole thing together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like Lancaster's a really nice, really nice time
to visit anyway. So so what what are the favorite
investigations of yours? Have you done? Then let's let's move
let's move away from Pendleilm, which is and what's your
what's your the ones that really sort of stick in
your mind over the years.
Speaker 4: Well, I tend to like, I like anything to do
with the war, you know, army bases, things like that.
They're me favorite. I mean to be honest with you,
I've got lots of favorites. But we go and you've
probably heard about it because again this is a regular
one with paranormal people. But the Northeast AirLand Sea Museum
to see them, it was the arif Usworth and It
was also Sunderland Airport many years ago, and it's aircraft
hangers and it's full of military vehicles and airplanes and
everything like that. It was almost haunted many years ago,
and I just love that as well. It's just it's
just the atmosphere of, you know, you take it all
in that these what these people went through, you know,
and and how hard things were back then.
Speaker 1: So that we go, and we're going back there a couple.
Speaker 4: Of times this year. Next week we are returning to
an old brothel. I quite like a brothel or two.
This is a it's opposite Durham Prison and it was
a sixteenth century brothel but it was where the it's
called used to get a nickname of the Hangman's pub,
so to the dunk tow and it's where the hangman
used to go and get drunk before hanging people at
the prison. So that's really good. We've been invited back there.
We've been numerous times, but not for a good few year.
But the landlady contacted us and said can you come
back us. Things are kicking off again, glasses are sliding
off tables and so and it's haunted by children. Last
time we were there. We put a Victorian doll upstairs
on a stand and it flung it off. But it
didn't just fling it off after we'd just left, because
luckily accorded on CCTV, it was a good twenty five
thirty minutes after I'd set it up, and the strange
light came out of the wall, passed the doll, and
then the doll went and then it just pained through
the wall again.
Speaker 1: So we're going back there.
Speaker 4: So again that's that's a fascinating story because you've got
the working girls who've got the children that they had,
you've got the hangmen.
Speaker 1: You tend to get communication.
Speaker 4: From people who were at Durham Prison, and you can
imagine the people that have been at Durham Prison, and
it's just fascinating.
Speaker 3: Where else what sort of things happened when you were there? Then,
apart from from the doll, what other things happened?
Speaker 4: Well, we we tend to have caught things on film
there and on camera, you know, like full spectrum again
and we've caught a man last time, really clear. We've
caught I took a thermal image and camera into the
loft where this guy tends to hide from us.
Speaker 1: It was a bit of a bully. Was he ran
the brothel.
Speaker 4: He's a bit of a thug and he doesn't like
me because I stand up to him. So he tries
to shout down at me and I won't have it,
and he swears a lot. And he was cowering in
the corner last time, and I caught him on the
thermal image and you can see him.
Speaker 1: He's got a hood up, just hiding out the way.
Speaker 4: But the ladies of the night come and talk to
us and tell us, you know, the babies they've lost,
or the backstreet abortions that they've had to have for
It's just it's just their story, you know, just telling
us their story, because I mean Durham, I don't know
why they've ever been to Durham's lovely, isn't it. It's
full of really old buildings. We've done the Shakespeare Tavern,
that's the oldest pub. But on the way up to
the cathedral that was a brothel as well. Obvious coming
out and we get followed by prostitutes everywhere. I mean,
we've even done the Ripper. We've been to White Chapel,
We've done the Ripper sites. That was a great experience.
But then yeah, this year, what we've got. We're going
back to the Northeast Air Museum, that's a firm favorite.
We're going for Vain Tempest, which was a d l I.
Durham Light Infantry Militia barracks.
Speaker 1: We're going back there.
Speaker 4: We're going back to Mainsfifth Community Center where it all
started for us, our very first investigation. We had gone
back there just to see what we can pick up
and see if we can get anything different. To be
honest with you, I can't really remember what we got
the time before because me memory's terrible for you know,
because I'm getting on a bit now. It's just a
fascinating place and that place is weird. We took a
lady with us, Sheila, and she said, do you know,
I really enjoyed coming on your investigations, but nothing really
happens to me. But she should have kept her mouth shut,
because that night we did a seance and she was
taken over. Believe it or not, spirit got really close
and she had to leave the circle and she was
in the toilet, in the haunted toilet, in the dark,
on her own, because she'd rather been there than in
the seance.
Speaker 1: She's got to be really careful what you wish for.
Speaker 3: But what happened then with that?
Speaker 4: He just felt like somebody was hugging her really really tight.
Now the answers are weird again. We used to try
to do seances, and it's only when people have been
doing these things for years or practiced in a church
or you know, getting on a little bit and they've
done this all the lives. They give you hints and tips,
and then that's what this lady did with us. And
ever since then the seances have got better and better.
And now we've started putting red light, you know, like
trans medium ship red light in the seance, because we
find that people's face has changed quite a bit in seance,
and especially me, I grow a full on beard. I've
got full I've got photographic evidence of me with a
full on beard, and I look like I'm auditioning and
for the Greatest Showman. And that's but when people see
it with their own.
Speaker 1: Eyes, it's like blimey.
Speaker 4: But yes, getting back to Sheila, she felt like somebody
had they hugged her. She couldn't breathe. She was coming
out with really random things. She was getting names, and
I was saying, just give us them, and she was
giving us them and given us dates and things, and
then she said, I'm gonna have to leave. I'm gonna
have to leave this. I can't I can't, you know,
I can't stand this any longer.
Speaker 1: And with a s she don't break the circle.
Speaker 4: So we did all of that, letting her leave without
breaking the circle of hands. And then all the time
we were in the seance and shouting to make sure
Sheila was okay in the toilet where she was trying
to be sick, but she was fine. Nobody was harmed
in the making.
Speaker 3: So was was this the physical effect then of what
happened to her?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And we still laugh about it now.
Speaker 4: And I mean, it wasn't funny because I even said,
oh my god, how we're going to explain to her
husband that she's died, you know, But we were joking,
but we obviously made sure that she was all right.
Speaker 1: We're all raky practitioners.
Speaker 4: We all make sure everybody feels fine before we close
anything down or you know, do the close and pray
nobody leaves with anything. We make sure everybody is right.
We have full public liability insurance. We've been doing it
for an awful long time, but she just said, nothing
ever happens to me. And now now we always said, Sheila,
careful what you wish for.
Speaker 3: And she said, yeah, no, be careful what you said.
So you're not getting away with the beard thing. What's
what's what's.
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: My guide, I've met my guide, met one of my guide.
I've met a few and he has a full on beard.
And I met this is again when I was raki
a tuned. I met my guide of this guide, So
I believe he is my heal and guide, because I
believe you have different guides for different things. And it
tends to be when we do a seance, and honestly,
I can send you the photo and you wouldn't believe it,
and it's actually caught on film as well. I have
a full on black beard on at least two occasions.
And then I mean it happens to some of the
other party. Shana does trans mediumship. Her her face changes
when she's communicate with spirit and people see it. We
went to the George at Petersbridge, which has links to
Dick Turpin. He hid in one of the tunnels there
and it's a bit of a potty mouth is Richard,
because we've spoken of times. It swears a lot. And
one of the ladies that had never been with us before,
we were doing a thing and she her face changed
and she looked like she had a scar down her face,
and it just if you'd do it right, it's it's
really really good evidence. But I would I would say,
if you don't know what you're doing, just please be
careful because people have they can take really poorly. Yeah,
you're asking the spirit to come really really close to
you and to show you things in whatever they where
they see, and if that's they can get really really close.
So I'm always sometimes I don't even join. Sometimes I'll
stay out and I watch just to make sure everybody's fine.
So I and keep an eye on it, you know,
depending where we are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you keep chucking names at me, Jack the Ripper, Yeah, hang,
got a minute, so go on what he said.
Speaker 1: He was a bit of he's a potty mouth.
Speaker 4: The first time we've spoked to well, we did a
ghost walk around York, Richard. Yeah, yeah, Richard Turpin's grave
is at York, isn't it. Yes, I knew what we've
been to the George and I knew that he was
supposed to be there, but you just don't know if
it's four Claudire. Nobody knows, definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean the.
Speaker 4: Georgia Peacebridge has the story of the Grandfather's Clock, So
you know that song My Grandfather's Clock is too big
for the shelf and it's you.
Speaker 1: Know that one.
Speaker 4: Well, that's based on that hotel, the Georgia Peacebridge and
the clock. It's not the original Grandfather's clock that's long gone,
but there is a grandfather's clock there. Next to the
Grandfather's clock is a hidden tunnel. So while we were
there and the port all the spirit box was swearing,
and e and Jeffin I was asking the questions and
I turned out that it was Dick Turpan. So he
was talking to us and he told us he did
hide in there, and he was an outlaw, and this
that and the other, and did you just ask them questions.
Speaker 1: It's just a person. But he is sweary. He's very
sweary guy. Yeah, so yeah, that's how we.
Speaker 3: Would that not be. I mean, obviously he was what
was he he was was the eighteenth century.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'd even googled if people swore back then.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah. I was going to ask him, is that
how he would have spoken?
Speaker 4: Well, they did swear, I don't know whether he did.
I mean, he wasn't a very nice character. He's supposed
to be painted as this, you know, gorgeous hero, wasn't
he was?
Speaker 3: He was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't he rape somebody?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think you know it's not it's not a very
nice character. Anyway.
Speaker 4: I asked him about his grave and I said, are
you buried in that churchyard at York? And he said yes,
And I said, is it where your gravestone is? And
he said, no, he's not buried there. But that's that
is the foreclore, isn't it. You're trying to put grave
brothers off and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And plus they tended to bury him in marked graves,
didn't they, because you know these these uh, these these
sort of people that didn't want them to become sort
of you know, martyrs or Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that's what he said, and you just confirmed that
yes he's there, but that no, that's not his gravestone.
It is his gravestone, but that's not where he's buried buried.
Speaker 3: How did you feel about that? Then? Talking to somebody
of such historical notes.
Speaker 4: You just you know what you kind of think and
it's really daft and you know what it's like. It
can get the clearest photo and catch anything. Somebody always
saying to you a fake, aren't they?
Speaker 1: That's fake?
Speaker 4: Doctor, that that's not true. So then I just start
and then think, well, I can't share that. How can
I share that? I've spoken to Dick Turpin Because you're
always wary of going to get slated for that. You're
going to get absolutely slated, and you do. Unfortunately you do.
Speaker 1: And I get it.
Speaker 4: There are lots of fakes, you know there are, But
I don't gain anything from that. This isn't my job.
I work at a school. We all work. This is
a hobby and it's an expensive hobby. And when you
first have these things, you do think, you know what,
I'm going to make a mint from this. I'm going
to be the biggest international. And I don't like the
word ghost. I say it because I don't like it.
And I'm going to be paymous and I'm going to
this that you the No, you're not. It's the most
expensive hobby that you'll ever have. Your book venues. You
pay a fortune. Because people think paranormal and think I'm
going to charge you whatever they want for these venues,
and then if you don't fill them and cover that cost,
you have to pay.
Speaker 3: For it yourself.
Speaker 4: Yet it then and then and then, like you say,
you get this evidence and you think this is really
I mean, like Edith p fabulous.
Speaker 1: I was chuffed a bit.
Speaker 4: But then in my back of my mind, I'm thinking
they are going to think you're a crank. I'm going
to think that you've just made it up. And that's unfortunately,
that's the way it.
Speaker 1: Is, isn't it.
Speaker 4: It is the paranormal groups out there, millions of them,
and it should be fun.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not. It's not going to be a
I mean gets wrong.
Speaker 4: I know people do make a business from it, but
if you're going to make a business from it, you're
going to be out nearly every night. You're going to
be filling places. You're not going to be recording it
to catch anything. And what's the point in investigating somewhere
if you're not going to try and catch evidence on film?
And then you can't do it every night and have
all of them people there and then watch that footage.
It's just then a money making thing, isn't it. You're
just filling a scare factor.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Things are going to happen because you've got people
paying money. Ye go along to somewhere and they're going
to expect that something freak it's going to happen, and
if it doesn't, then they'll just move on to another group.
They'll go and pay them money to another group they.
Speaker 1: Will and do.
Speaker 4: Our investigations aren't about scaring people, are quite the opposite.
I want people to come along with us, because you
do build.
Speaker 1: It up to something.
Speaker 4: Don't you think you're going to get possessed like the
Exorcist and you're going to need a print and you
and then by the time they've been with us, and
I always say, you know, I'm going to try and
get this table to move. I want to try and
get to tip. Now if I was sat here and
that table tipped itself and die. But because you're asking
it and you're you're doing it in a really respectful way,
and when it actually happens, you're really it wasn't because
you're not scared.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've had people check my tables for wires
and all sorts. There's nothing fancy about my tables. And
then then if they build up from that, and then
I don't want anybody to go home feeling like fear.
Speaker 1: The same house.
Speaker 4: If we investigate a building and the scared because they've
got a ghost. By the time we've been they actually
feel better about it because they know who the spirit
is and they know their name, and they know what
they wanted, and they know their history. And it's somebody
looking for a Sunday lost, or it's a baby looking
for it's mammo. And then it takes on a whole
different thing. And then they kind of embrace it. And
then nobody wants They not saying I want it cleansed.
They're like, oh no, And then they just want to
understand it. And if they have got a haunt, and
where it gets quite difficult. Usually if you negotiate and
you say, look, don't be around when so and so
is in the house. You know, you just don't cross
each other's paths, don't scare, and then and then it
tends to that works as well. You don't have to
go in guns blaze and then you know, get a
priest in and so have you.
Speaker 3: Ever sorry have you ever encountered a really malicious spirit,
a polter garist, for instance, one that that is very physical?
Speaker 1: Hmmm, I have.
Speaker 4: Not often, but I have and I and you'll know
the house. It's a pontifract.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so we we hired said house, I won't
say for advertising purposes.
Speaker 1: And it was my.
Speaker 4: Husband that said, if this is supposed to be Britain's
most haunted house, even if it isn't, as a paranormal investigator,
you can't not go. So I paid the money, which
stuck in my throat a little bit, and we went
and honestly it's I pulled up and I thought, well,
this is going to be rubbish and I don't know,
like you know, like properly under unto yourself, thinking one
ways of time that's going to be. And I was
setting up to say, say TV and I walked up
the stairs and something punched me in the stomach, and
it punched me that hard.
Speaker 1: I bent double.
Speaker 4: Now I know that people have said about this house
that it's fake and it's this, and it's that maybe
things aren't active like it was for us, because I've
been twice, but that very first time I was punched,
and I took back everything disrespectful that i'd said, because
they obviously showed me who was boss. And I took
that investigation very very serious that night, and that night
on TV, we caught a full bodied apparition across the
living room and that was featured on TV. It was
featured on Unexplained Caught on camera. But I didn't even know,
because when you hire the house, they have the rights
to footage. Ah okay, So I didn't even know until
it was on, and then I thought, and somebody rang
me up and said, you don't know your footage is
on the TV. I didn't know about it. Now in
their in their defense, and I did contact them and
complain a little bit, and they did give me a
cheaper on our second return. And the second return wasn't
as good as the first. So I think it was
they'd given us everything that first time, and then they
must have thought, what you're doing as if we didn't
give you enough the first time, and then it kind
of it was. I still enjoyed it, it was still good,
but it wasn't on that level.
Speaker 3: I mean, I suppose that if I suppose if you
were the entity or an entity m HM had some
sort of consciousness and you were attached to this place. Yeah,
I can quite understand how how how the spirit will
get quite paved.
Speaker 1: With all going on and somebody's there every single.
Speaker 3: Night like a cash cow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's it is because it's it's fully booked
yours in advance, and it's every night. And I don't
know whether that was what paved me when I booked it.
You know, when you just think, you know this, really
it's going to be a waste of time. You know,
it's just an o there, and whether somebody in the
spirit world thought, which is not very excited about being here,
so let's just punch it. But it got my attention.
But I honestly, when I pulled up.
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, a waste of time, just a waste
of time.
Speaker 4: We're going to be here for hours and hours and
it's just a waste of time. And then literally within
ten to fifteen minutes or I didn't even go to
the toilet on my.
Speaker 3: Own after that, I can imagine.
Speaker 4: So something can physically hurt you like that, yeah, blind me.
Speaker 3: Well, I've heard of that before. I spoke to a
lady who I did a podcast with quite a while ago.
Now who whose husband had a similar experience where he
was pushed down some stairs. So you know that physical
aspect of some of these hauntings, aren't You know, they
are rare, aren't they? But they're not They're not that rare.
They do happen.
Speaker 1: It definitely do happen.
Speaker 4: That's why I was saying about being careful in the seance, Yeah,
because it can happen. The other other time, I was
really scared when we first started off, and when I
think now, we were very ignorant and there's places we
shouldn't have been when we when we've just been new,
you know, we should have. We did really build up,
going to community centers and things like that, you know,
kind of getting to know what you're doing. And then
I bought the Schooner Hotel at alm Mouth, which is
a smuggler's place, and it had been on the TV
and I thought, oh, we can do that. And we
went in a bedroom and I can't remember what number
it was, but it was the bedroom where it's the
most haunted, and he massacred all his family.
Speaker 1: This guy. Right, Okay, so it's not got a great you.
Speaker 4: Know, let's all go and stay in a place where
someone bumped off his whole family. And I was there
and something had me by the throat and I could
feel his fingers and his thumb on my throat and
then I had to step out. That quite worried me
a bit because that had been my very first experience
with something actually touching.
Speaker 1: Me like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean since then, I've been globed and everything, you know,
so you kind of know. But back then I was
a rookie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't scary. Don't tell me Dick Turpin was involved
in that place.
Speaker 4: No, you know, I've just said I'll go to brothels.
When I went to Shakespeare tavern A, Durham, and that
was a brothel. I was in the cellar. You should
see it on film. I mean it's night vision. He
had more hands than an octopus and I'm jumping around
all over. He was nipping me backside, he was doing
all sorts, and it's.
Speaker 1: You just tell them to get off, don't you know?
Speaker 3: But yack.
Speaker 4: Then if anybody is young and starts doing these things,
you've got to be really really careful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah you do. Yeah, you're quite right. And I
think a lot of people don't don't realize just how
dangerous it can be, do they? You know, because they
see it all on TV, don't they. And and it's
all very sexy, and it's all very glamorous, and it's
all very you know, Discovery TV or whatever, all these
these go something programs are open and it's it's very sanitized,
isn't it. You know, it's all It's all for entertainment,
isn't it.
Speaker 1: So it is for entertainment.
Speaker 4: And you know what it's like, You sit for hours
and hours and hours trying to get things to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. And like I said,
I have been touched.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've come up with a demons. I don't
know whether I use that word, but I have dealt
with things that people have left behind by doing things
that they shouldn't with wagy boards and things and not
known how to close things down. And you know, we've
dealt with things like that where we've had to do
try to cleanse things.
Speaker 1: But that's not what we do.
Speaker 4: I don't go looking for and that's not me saying
I don't want to help people, because it's not that
at all. But when I go to investigate places, I
don't want to go for the Oh do you know
it's got a demon. No, I don't really want to
go and speak to a demon. I'd rather go and
speak to Edith Piaf.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm just somebody's light hearted, somebody's grand and somebody or
someone linked with the because we've done links with children
railway and I've spoken to Timothy Hackworth, you know, in
these famous people that's been in the railway, have been
to the first ever railway ticket office. You know, all
these lovely places that people don't really know that the
history of them.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I live at Bishop Auckland. Stan Laurel went to school
where I went to school. His dad had a theater
at Bishop Auckland. So I've spoken to stan Laurel's dad
and ma'am and him. Okay, and I know there's another
I'm choking names that you know, Anna.
Speaker 3: I'm scribbling names down as you tell him.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and he's a normal guy telling me. He
told me details that I didn't even know until I
googled them and then I thought, this is stan Laurel.
Speaker 3: Stan Laurel amazing and huh.
Speaker 4: So I've just I've just released a book today actually
use you for a bit of a plug. And so
I've just released today a book called The Haunt, The
Haunt and History of Bishop Auckland, and that's to do
with Stan Laurel and you know all of that, and
we had a workhouse and.
Speaker 1: We had you know. And it's only when you write.
Speaker 4: A book about your history that you think so sad like.
It's there's a lot of you know, neglect, like people
leaving the kids to starve and somebody had left a
baby in a cupboard and it wasn't until that person
died that they discovered the remains of a child in
a cupboard in Bishop Auckland and it's just and everyone
likes that creepy aspect. But Bishop as a town is
you know, the Bishop of Durham lives at Auckland Castle,
right and he doesn't now together with that, yeah, so
we've got Auckland Castle, so it's the Bishop of Durham.
So obviously Durham Cathedral and the land of the Prince
Bishops and all of that. It's based on Bishop Balkland,
so steped in history. And it's two miles from where
I live and I just tend to do ghost walks
where people can come along and I do a little
bit of a history too and tell them about it.
And then I use the equipment to see if people
will come through and talk and good old stand Laurel
sometimes pops up.
Speaker 3: We just don't know amazing. I was going to ask
you about Jack Jack the Ripper thing, but I think
we'll leave that for another another podcast because I've got
a funny feeling. We've still got a lot of ground
to cover.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a long investigation, Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 3: I can imagine. So Okay, so your book, where can
people find your book?
Speaker 4: It's just been released on Amazon? Ok So if they look,
I've got I've got a lot of books on Amazon.
Speaker 1: It's under ap Kelly.
Speaker 4: So it's if there is a Jack the Ripper book
we have. I've got a Mary and Cotton book that
she's a serial killer from from here. Dealt a few
times with missus Cotton as I. So yeah, that's my
new was new one, The Haunting History of Bishop Auckland
just released. It's five hundred page as long as it's
a big read. But it does have spirit photography in it,
and it does have I've done research so it's got
the articles and the census and things like that, so
paranormal things.
Speaker 3: If you can send me a link, I'll put it
in the description for the podcast.
Speaker 1: Brilliant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, send me a link to your Amazon page with
all your your books on. Now you've also got a
YouTube channel as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have.
Speaker 4: It's just Aspected Detectors. I think it's fe Expected Detectors
five one sixty six, but it's it's on. You know,
I've got Spected Detectors Facebook page and all of that
and all the links are on there. But yes, every
single thing, as long as it's not private because obviously
sometimes when we do investigations, people's family members come through
and I'll never ever share that. Everything else, the whole
dic turpan, the whole jack, the repair.
Speaker 1: They're all on there.
Speaker 4: Wow, people want to sit and spend hours and hours
going through it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's my bedtime entertainment. And I think tonight
when i'm because I like to troll through YouTube when
i'm in bed, so I will I will definitely have
a have a look for that. So people can just
contact you through through any of those those channels.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, or my email addresses spected Detectors at Yahoo
dot co dot uk.
Speaker 1: Anybody, if anybody knows anything about Edith Paf, that would
be great. Yeah, because I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean I obviously know she is, but you know,
if anybody can, if anybody is listening and think, actually
I know about that, and yes, she go to.
Speaker 3: K Yeah, yeah, the link to to where you. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If not, she's just seeing an opportunity and popped in.
And I don't blame he well, just obviously wanted to
hear her own songs being played.
Speaker 3: And you certainly seem to hobnob with some of the
big names of history, don't you. It's been absolutely it's
been amazing talking to you, It really has. I've been
wanting to chat with you for a while, Elaine, and
we're gonna have to do this again sometime because I've
just I've just got that feeling that there's so much
more you could tell me. And it's been absolutely amazing
the stories that you've told me today. So thank you
for that. I really do, really really do appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you for having me.
Speaker 4: I'd love to come back on you know, I've got
twelve years of stories we can go on and on
and on.
Speaker 3: Well, I will definitely definitely have you back on. Thank
you again for coming on this episode and hopefully people
will enjoy listening to it as much as I've enjoyed
listening to you, because you've been a fascinating guest. Thank you,
Thanks having me no problem, take care, Thank you you too.
Speaker 6: You can visit my website at www dot Craig Bryant
dot co dot uk. Paranormal Pendle will return, and remember
to keep watching the shadows.
Speaker 4: Don't don't
Speaker 2: Do do