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He's just way to get in 12 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:39,880 there now. One of my good friends been in for 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,960 a long time in the gun world and also in 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,399 the aviation world, and he's just returned from an amazing 15 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:50,000 trip flying all over Alaska. I mean, is PA twelve 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,000 Piper super Cruiser. Doug Tarnbull joins us. Doug. When was 17 00:00:54,039 --> 00:00:54,799 that airplane made? 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:00,799 Speaker 4: Originally October sixteenth of forty six, Oh, you have the 19 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:01,039 old one. 20 00:01:01,079 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 3: I had a forty seven. And for those who don't 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,040 know the story, you helped me find a PA twelve 22 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,519 Supercruiser and then helped me usher me back as I 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,040 was flying it for six days from Maine to Idaho 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,760 with you kind of checking the weather and texted me 25 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:17,519 and saying go here, go there, don't go there. 26 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've done so many trips across the country that 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,640 I got a you know, a checklist of places to 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,200 go and stay and who to see and yeah, it's great. 29 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 3: It was terrific. Obviously, people know you from Turnbull Restorations, 30 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:40,519 where you helped really kind of reset the thinking on 31 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,400 what you do with an old gun. You want to 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,719 kind of explain that. 33 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, I grew up in a gun shop. I'm in 34 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,920 dead Head Creekside gun shop. I enjoyed the hands on 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:57,879 aspect of gun fixing, refinishing, and my father, you know, 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,920 got into messing around with Bill bunch O color case 37 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:05,480 hardening process and I took that process and expanded it, 38 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,759 learned about it, figured out how to duplicate different gun manufacturers, 39 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,919 whether it's Parker and early Fox which is different than Winchester, 40 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,680 and i'l C Smith and that and are in that 41 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,080 company along with my employees who really put their heart 42 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,879 into things for close to forty years. 43 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,439 Speaker 3: You could bind art with science and all the stuff 44 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:29,000 you were doing. 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,879 Speaker 4: Yes, I did, And you know, I look at upgraded 46 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,120 guns and custom guns differently than a lot of people. 47 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,560 I look at it as how can we reproduce what 48 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:46,400 the factories made back in the day. So we're doing 49 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:50,360 the old original historical metal finishes, the bone, charcoal, the 50 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,800 carbona charcoal. 51 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 5: Blue, rough blue. 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: We've did restocking, did all all that stuff to make them. 53 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,479 And then if we were upgrading with engraving, I always pushed, 54 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,919 let's make it look like an original gun, not necessarily 55 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,719 a custom, so you would kind of mixed the two together. 56 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:11,439 But engraving, to me, it was all the old the 57 00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:14,840 old style, whether it's Colt or you know, the American 58 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:18,159 shotguns for different styles, and it had to me it 59 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,840 had to have the proper look. It's strange, that is, 60 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,639 That's that's what I always pushed for sure, and that's 61 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:29,199 you know, there's some incredible, absolutely incredible custom stuff. But 62 00:03:29,719 --> 00:03:31,719 my eye was always original, what's it? 63 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 5: What was it? What does it look like originally? 64 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 6: You know, you. 65 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:39,199 Speaker 3: Clearly have an old soul. You love the lever actions, 66 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:45,479 the single actions, you fly around a nineteen forty six airplane. Yeah, 67 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:47,280 what I say, some people are just born in the 68 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,159 wrong century. 69 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes I wonder, you know why I got into 70 00:03:52,639 --> 00:03:55,439 the gun side, and that the airplane side. My father 71 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,159 had a one eighty five in fid in behind the 72 00:03:58,199 --> 00:03:59,960 house and we used to go to Alaska fishing. 73 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,879 Speaker 3: Well you do, both guys in there we are sounds 74 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:04,960 a little bit similar to me. 75 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 7: Man. 76 00:04:05,319 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: I was just out flying now yesterday, went up to 77 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,240 Dixie Town blew Inn. Had a good time flying around Ido. 78 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,759 All right, So but we've got to talk about something else. 79 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,680 You have not just an appreciation for, but a love 80 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:20,600 of the art of gunsmithing. 81 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 8: It is a it's a real thing for you. It 82 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:29,680 touches you, yes, it does. It's in restoration work. It's 83 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:33,560 it's not just putting a pretty finish on. It's when 84 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,639 was the gun made? What was the polish supposed to 85 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,920 look like in the that era? 86 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 5: You know. 87 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:43,439 Speaker 4: And if it's a pre thirteen Winchester Coult, it typically 88 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,199 has a high polish. And it's it's not always a never, 89 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,959 but it's you know, it's generally always has a high polish. 90 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,639 And it's because it's a pre war gun. After the 91 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,839 war started, how do you cut back on dollars? Ententially, 92 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,759 you cut off the pulishing because the guys out using 93 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:03,759 them don't really care, right, So I tied all that 94 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,759 into what we do. And you know, it's it's got 95 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:10,439 to have the right look. It's all about the look. 96 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:12,839 It's and as a friend of mine says, when you 97 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:16,000 walk up to a restore gun or a or an 98 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,079 original gun that you know a very very high condition, 99 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,959 he says, where's the fly? And you're looking for the 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,759 fly on it? You're looking for something that stands out. 101 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,199 Speaker 5: It's not right, it's not right. 102 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,879 Speaker 4: And then from once you find it, if you find it, 103 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,639 if you happen to, then you start looking, well why 104 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,319 and you start digging deeper into especially the collectible side, 105 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:43,279 and it's that's a lot of what we did was okay, 106 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:45,680 let's try to make it so there's no flies on it. 107 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,439 Speaker 3: Well. And the guns that you made, and you know, 108 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,240 yes you worked on them, but in essence, you really 109 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,519 made them. People now talk about it in almost whereverent terms. 110 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:58,319 You say, oh, it's a turnbull. We're talking with Doug 111 00:05:58,399 --> 00:06:01,480 Turnbull right now. I mean, and you you ran that 112 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:04,879 to a certain point and then you sold the company. Okay, 113 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,800 so what's the latest thing you've done. 114 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 4: So I've been out of it for four years, and 115 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,519 I'm you know, I've gone to schools and I've talked 116 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:17,920 to gun smithing schools and students and I've done my part. 117 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,879 I've I've caught my notch out. Well, what can I 118 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,360 do to help the industry? I mean, the industry got 119 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:27,560 me to where I am. The industry has been very, 120 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,240 very gracious to us and really blessed with it. And 121 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,560 it's like, Okay, do I go to schools and talk 122 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:38,920 and teach? Do I you know? Do I teach different aspects? 123 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,000 And I came up with this idea of doing a 124 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,360 Doug Turnbull Firearms Restoration Grant and try to get people, 125 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,800 try to get the students to look at gunsmithing in 126 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:52,519 a different field. There's gunsmithing and there's repairing, and then 127 00:06:52,519 --> 00:06:56,639 there's building custom guns and refinishing stuff. Well, what if 128 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,959 we try to get them to think about restoration and how. 129 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 5: Is that something of an interest? 130 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,959 Speaker 4: So what we're doing is working with Pennsylvania Gunspensing School. 131 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,360 I'm funding the grant personally. It has nothing to do 132 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:13,279 with thermal restoration because I've been gone for four years. 133 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 3: So you run your own money into this thing. 134 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:17,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's my it's my money. 135 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:19,959 Speaker 4: It's it's my money, my word, my you know, my 136 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:23,040 idea to how can we give back? And what we're 137 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,040 going to do is work with the Pennsylvania Gunspan thing 138 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:29,600 and they're going to work it looking at and they're 139 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,600 going to grab their core of their group that's going 140 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,920 to do this restoration project, and they're going to figure 141 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,519 out what type of gun do we want to restore? 142 00:07:37,839 --> 00:07:40,759 Is it a shotgun? Is it? Is it American shotgun? 143 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,079 Is what I'm kind of looking at. Is it a 144 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,839 Winchester or a cold or a Marown or some offshoot? 145 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,480 And then and then they've got to learn about it. Okay, 146 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,279 you know when was it manufacturer? Look at it? How 147 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:55,800 is it polished? To what degree was it polished? What 148 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:56,959 year is it? 149 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,959 Speaker 3: Okay? But what does your grant do? Is it like scholarship. 150 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:05,879 Speaker 4: I'm funding the work for the school to put it together, 151 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:10,639 to learn all about restoration, restore this piece, and the 152 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,160 peace will end up being part of the school and 153 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:16,160 the students will put their heart and soul into what 154 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:20,920 I'm hoping to learn. How to restore a firearm back 155 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:22,759 to what it was originally? 156 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,079 Speaker 3: Why do I get the feeling that as cool as 157 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,480 this is what you're doing, it feels like the start 158 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,440 of something. Not it's not the thing, it's the start 159 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:33,960 of the thing. 160 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 5: It's the start of the thing. 161 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's trying to change ideas, trying it's trying 162 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:42,639 to get the students and the staff, because the staff 163 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,360 is into it as much as the students. 164 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:51,799 Speaker 5: Sure to think, what do we got to do to. 165 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 4: To put all this together, to bring it to fruition, 166 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,559 to you know, make it truly work. 167 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,399 Speaker 3: And once you get that going, you get people thinking 168 00:08:59,399 --> 00:09:03,120 about it, and not just there, but in other gunsmithy 169 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,240 schools and other gunsmith's around the country. 170 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:09,399 Speaker 4: You're thinking, and that's exactly what I'm hoping for. And 171 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:13,440 I'm hoping by year two or three. You know, it 172 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:17,240 may be you know, three or four different guns schools 173 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:20,159 in one year maybe taking on this project and now 174 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:22,200 it's going to be you know, it may be three 175 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,919 different three different style of guns, or it's you know, 176 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,759 maybe it's the same brand of a rifle or. 177 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,519 Speaker 3: Whatever, taking cool guns and then making them beautiful again. 178 00:09:32,879 --> 00:09:35,399 Speaker 4: Bring it back to the factory standards. 179 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 5: Wow. 180 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:42,159 Speaker 4: And it may become a competition between them. But I've 181 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,279 got to start somewhere of getting the ball going and 182 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,399 getting some excitement in and around it. 183 00:09:49,399 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: It sounds to me like you saw the company got 184 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,279 in your airplane, flew around the country, flew up to Alaska, 185 00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:59,000 flew all over the place. You had a lot of 186 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,000 time to process, a lot of thoughts, and that little 187 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,480 single engine plane you're putt putting around, you going to 188 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:07,840 these interesting places who are in the middle of nowhere, 189 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,440 and you can work it on this idea for a while. 190 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I have. 191 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,799 Speaker 4: I mean, I just got back from thirty two days 192 00:10:14,799 --> 00:10:18,120 on the road and flew one hundred and thirty four 193 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:21,600 hours at ninety to ninety five miles an hour. 194 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: People that they were kid when we say yeah, sometimes 195 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,000 if you got a head wind, the eight wheelers are 196 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:28,679 passing you, but. 197 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,039 Speaker 5: They are, they do. 198 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and you know, and sometimes you're going to 199 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:37,399 find that, you know, you've got to be five hundred 200 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,000 feet or maybe a little lower because you're going across 201 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,840 the prairie and that's the only place you've got no wind. 202 00:10:42,919 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 5: Or maybe maybe you're lucky you got to tail one 203 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:45,879 at two miles an hour. 204 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 3: Two miles an hour, right exactly. But it does give 205 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,039 a lot of time to think to come up with ideas. 206 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 5: It does. 207 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's so many different ways to look at things. 208 00:10:57,799 --> 00:11:00,840 And just like they tell the students, you know, there's 209 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:06,840 there's money in so many different areas in the industry 210 00:11:06,919 --> 00:11:11,240 because you know, maybe you're a machinist, so okay, we'll 211 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,960 build parts for for something. Maybe you like wooden. You're 212 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,799 a checker. You're just a stock maker and not just 213 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,320 but you know your your love is is doing stocking. Well, 214 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,519 learn about it, become the best. Take a three hour 215 00:11:25,639 --> 00:11:27,799 job and turn it into a two hour or one 216 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:28,440 hour job. 217 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 3: Can people make a living as gunsmiths now? 218 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah they can, I think more. 219 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:40,759 Speaker 4: Becoming specialized a general gunsmith is tough because you've got. 220 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:41,759 Speaker 5: To be a jack of all trades. 221 00:11:42,039 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 4: Right, if you work it, it really understanding a specific 222 00:11:47,159 --> 00:11:52,200 thing or you know, like us, we worked on winchesters, 223 00:11:53,039 --> 00:11:56,320 We worked on American double Winchester lever guns, right, we 224 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,840 worked on American side by sides, some cults, single actions, 225 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:03,159 and then nineteen elevens and. 226 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,639 Speaker 3: By limiting the scope you were able to get really 227 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,039 good at what you did exactly. 228 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,759 Speaker 4: You know, you're doing the bone, charcoal color case hardening 229 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:15,519 and beck and was a Kentucky by centennial. Late eighties, 230 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:19,399 early nineties. Kevin Cherry called and said he wanted five 231 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,679 hundred Winchester ninety four case colored and I said, Yep, 232 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,879 we can do that. This is the price, hung up 233 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:28,720 the phone and went, what have I done? 234 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: How are we going to do this? 235 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 5: And I've and it's happened so many times. 236 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 4: We did twenty five hundred nineteen eleventh and we Charcole blued, 237 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:40,879 we did the Remington umc run. 238 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,879 Speaker 3: I've often talked about my idea that we do in 239 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:46,360 our family. I've told my kids and it sounded like 240 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:48,919 you're doing the same thing, which is, if somebody asked 241 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,440 you if you could do something, always say yes and 242 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:52,480 then go figure out. 243 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 4: How Yeah, exactly, And we've done that so many times. 244 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you've done amazing work. I mean you were 245 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,639 this air a combination of an artist and a good businessman, 246 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:05,360 and now you have moved on to this next level, 247 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:09,240 which is, okay, how do I help other people to 248 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,919 do what I did and to appreciate what I appreciate. 249 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 5: And I let them build their own name. 250 00:13:15,039 --> 00:13:17,639 Speaker 3: What is the school again that you're doing this first 251 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:18,120 grant too. 252 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 4: It's a Pennsylvania gunsmithing school down in Pittsburgh. 253 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:25,759 Speaker 3: Okay, very good. Well, I know they appreciate it. I 254 00:13:25,759 --> 00:13:28,399 got to tell you, we appreciate those of us who 255 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,720 love guns and what you have done and really kind 256 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,840 of recaptured, if you will, this love of fine guns 257 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:42,240 and the restoration work. You You broke the ground. You 258 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,279 created this whole movement. You really did. 259 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I've broken the mold. 260 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,799 Speaker 4: I've had dealers in gunsmiths in your early eighties saying, 261 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,679 you know, you're were owning this stuff too. Thank God 262 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:58,200 for what you're done and what you know, the quality 263 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,480 they've put into it, and the acceptance of restoration if 264 00:14:02,519 --> 00:14:06,039 it's done right. And there's some fantastic stuff that's being 265 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,279 produced that I look at it and go, I know 266 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,080 it's redone, but holy cow, is that good? 267 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? It's really good. Well yeah, congratulations, well done. You're 268 00:14:16,519 --> 00:14:19,440 an amazing talent and now you're spreading that and making 269 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,639 sure that that goes forward. Doug Turnbull, thank you so 270 00:14:21,759 --> 00:14:24,000 much for what you're doing. My frame, Tom, great to 271 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:26,639 talk with you. Alrighty, Hi, don't go far. We'll be 272 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:28,840 right back with more gun talk. 273 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 9: When Ruger set out to build the ultimate pocket pistol. 274 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,240 They succeeded. 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The upgraded slide serrations mean you can 311 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:51,480 rack it fast, even under pressure, and that striker fired 312 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:55,840 flat face trigger, clean, crisp and repeatable like your favorite 313 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:13,079 playlist on loop. Big confidence in a small package. 314 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 3: I got a question, were you assuming you own more 315 00:17:17,519 --> 00:17:20,599 than one pistol? And I'm guessing that a lot of 316 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:24,599 the people listening to this do how do you decide 317 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:27,960 which one to carry? If you're going to go carry 318 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,119 a gun for self defense? How do you make the 319 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,160 decision which one and which one do you carry the most? 320 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:38,319 Just kind of curious. I mean, it's like, once again, 321 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,359 no right or wrong answer, Just wondering. Eight six to six, 322 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,799 talk gun or Tom talk gun. Over in Texas, they 323 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:50,480 got a Senate race going on. Fascinating actually, and one 324 00:17:50,519 --> 00:17:55,519 of the candidates, the Democrat James Tallerico, has made it 325 00:17:55,519 --> 00:17:57,279 a point, although he's trying to hide from it now, 326 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:04,720 uh from voting him parading his anti gun positions. And 327 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:10,799 I'm wondering if the word is out, if Texans actually 328 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,640 know about taller Rico's comments, and this is not just 329 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:19,720 happenstance or somebody's saying this. This is actually on video. 330 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:22,519 You can go look at it. When he said, let's 331 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:27,480 see making sure I get this right. Yeah, he says, 332 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:30,279 I think universal background checks, I think closing the gun 333 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:34,039 show loophole, and I saw weapons ban, a large capacity 334 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,599 magazine ban. I think restricting large firearm purchases. I think 335 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:46,119 even we should start to think about handgun design safety standards. Hmm. 336 00:18:47,839 --> 00:18:52,279 So he favors a ban on AR fifteen's favors a 337 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:56,279 ban on standard capacity magazines. Now, if you ask him 338 00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:58,519 to that was in twenty twenty. If you ask him today, 339 00:18:58,519 --> 00:19:00,480 he says, oh, yeah, no, no, I'm I'm a Second 340 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,440 Amendment supporter. Says, but most people don't really realize. You 341 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,960 know that you're able to do restrictions on guns and 342 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,400 still support the Second Amendment. Actually, no, sir, you're not. 343 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,720 I actually, no, you're not. I also love the ones 344 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,559 not tell Rica. But others said, well, you know, most 345 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:24,400 politicians have never read the Second Amendment, because if they did, 346 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,240 they would know it says well regulated. Well, it does, 347 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,640 in fact say well regulated starts off a well regulated 348 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,400 militia being necessary to the security of a free state. 349 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,400 The right of the people to keep and bear arms 350 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,319 shall not be in fringe. That's the whole thing, Just 351 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,599 a few words. But you got to go back and say, 352 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:48,400 what did the word regulated mean when they wrote it, 353 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:50,319 And you look back at the dictionaries at the time, 354 00:19:50,519 --> 00:19:55,400 it was very clear and very easy to understand. And 355 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:57,799 very much not what people are saying it is today. 356 00:19:58,839 --> 00:20:03,559 Regulated simply meant that it works well, really well equipped, 357 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,000 well run, well regulated militia means it has the equipment 358 00:20:08,039 --> 00:20:11,200 it needs, has the guns, it has the ammunition, it's trained, 359 00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:17,359 and it is competent. That's what well regulated meant. At 360 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,799 the time, we talk about regulating a clock, making sure 361 00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:25,920 it's running correctly. So the current gun banners like to 362 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,400 say well, well regulated means we can regulate, we can 363 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,960 restrict gun rights. That is not at all what it meant. 364 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,039 And frankly, to say that is to say you know 365 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,880 nothing about the Supreme Court decisions of the last fifteen 366 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,160 twenty years on the Second Amendment, because the Supreme Court 367 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,279 has said, no, that's not what that meant. It's something meant, 368 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:54,000 well rehearsed, well equipped. It meant that the militia, which 369 00:20:54,079 --> 00:20:59,920 is all of us, can and should it must have guns. 370 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,960 The second A moment actually says we should all have guns. 371 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,000 Now you are not required to have a gun, but 372 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:18,000 it also says the government is prohibited from keeping you 373 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:25,559 from having guns. There are those who say that you know, 374 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:28,759 the government doesn't allow or the government allows this, or 375 00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:32,160 that that's not how it works in our country. Now 376 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,799 in other countries, that is how it works. Everything is 377 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:37,920 prohibited unless the government allows it. Here, everything is allowed 378 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,640 unless the government prohibits it. It is an essential difference, 379 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,200 and it is the essence of liberty. We can do 380 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:53,000 whatever we want unless it is specifically prohibited. That's just 381 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,440 the way our laws work. So no one the government 382 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,759 doesn't allow you to carry a gun. The government doesn't 383 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:04,559 allow you to own guns. The government may try to 384 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:09,359 prohibit those activities, but under the Second Amendment, it is 385 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,440 specifically prohibited from doing that. That is what the Second 386 00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:16,319 Movement is. That is a restriction on the government. It 387 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,079 is not a right that is granted to us. We 388 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,640 have that right. What have you been shooting? Give me 389 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,440 a holler. I'd love to know about it. We'd love 390 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,319 to get those range reports. And also how many twenty 391 00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:39,799 twos do you own? I remember back many years ago, 392 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,960 just not too long after we started doing gun talk radio, 393 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,200 MSNBC came to town and wanted to do an interview 394 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,799 with me. They spent like three days with me, and 395 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:51,720 in the process of doing all that, and once they 396 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:53,359 asked me, so, well, how many guns do you own? 397 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,400 And just just popped into my head. I said more 398 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,000 than I need and not as many as I want. 399 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,000 Still seems like a good answer. I don't know. Let's 400 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,279 go line one. John's with us out of Saint Louis, Missouri. Hello, John, 401 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:10,599 you're on gun talk. 402 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,039 Speaker 13: Oh, yes, I'm here to hear me. 403 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: I got you. 404 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,759 Speaker 13: Go ahead, sir, Yeah, I'm driving right now. I'm heading 405 00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:21,680 down to the Arnold Rifle Pistol Club in Arnold, south 406 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,839 of Saint Louis to shoot from a wobble trap. But 407 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,200 when I hear you, that word need comes up all 408 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,160 the time in your discussions where people are quizzing you 409 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,559 need versus what do you need a car for? What 410 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:38,079 do you need of this or that? What I've been 411 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:40,440 doing for so many years is when I hear somebody 412 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:43,799 ask that, I ask him right there, I go, Hey, 413 00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:46,279 what are you a communist? You know? They look at 414 00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:48,799 me befuddled, like, what are you talking about? 415 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 3: John? 416 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 13: I said, that's the communist word. That's communism. When you're 417 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,759 starting to decide what people need. Our country is a 418 00:23:57,799 --> 00:24:04,319 country of wants. And if you want something legally obviously, 419 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,680 but you get busy you figure out how to get it. 420 00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:09,519 You may or may not get it, but that's what 421 00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:13,319 you do. But when it comes down to needs, there's 422 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,519 going to be a group somewhere deciding what you need. 423 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,440 And my final on that is, if we were to 424 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,079 get taken over by communism. I'm seventy nine so hopefully not, 425 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,000 but if that were to happen, I want to be 426 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:34,480 a decider. I call it a group of deciders, And 427 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,279 I tell my buddies, I'll be trying to be as 428 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,359 fair and nice to you as I can be. But 429 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,359 believe you me, you don't want me deciding on what 430 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,720 you need, whether it be the house, own, the car, own, 431 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,200 the gun, to own or not own. You don't want 432 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,799 me there, even though I be a pretty good guy, 433 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,480 I think. But I tell you what, I challenge everybody 434 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:01,079 when you hear that word pop up up in conversations, 435 00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:03,000 what do you need that for? What do they need 436 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:05,640 that communists? And call them out on it. 437 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 3: There you go. I like it. That's a great I 438 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,680 tell you what I'm going to borrow that consider it stolen. 439 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,039 There you go. So it's a good idea. Thank you 440 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:13,880 for the call. I appreciate it. Hell yeah, good shooting. 441 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,440 By the way, when you get down to Arnold. Yeah, 442 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,160 somebody said, what do you need that for? What do 443 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,480 you mean what I need it for? I want? I 444 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:23,319 want it. You know, the only question is is it legal? 445 00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:27,119 Do I want it? And can I afford it? You know, 446 00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:29,759 what do you need a five thousand dollars pistol for? 447 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,079 Don't That's the good part about it. I don't have 448 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,400 to need anything. I just want it and if I 449 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,720 can afford it, or like in my case to say, okay, 450 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,480 well I'm going to get something that I've been going 451 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,039 through the process over the last few years of I 452 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:47,039 have a lot of guns and um are very special 453 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,799 and sell them several at a time and then replacing 454 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:51,759 them with like one really nice gun. So now I'm 455 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,920 going to quality over quantity. I guess that is what 456 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,759 you'd say. All right, let's start down line too. Tom 457 00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:00,480 said in the Houston, Texas Hello to time you're on 458 00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:03,000 gun Talky. 459 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:07,519 Speaker 14: Good afternoon, Tom. Yes, sir, that's about how many twenty 460 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:13,720 two's I've got, right, And I was sitting here thinking 461 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,319 I got seven of them, but then I remembered recently 462 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,279 they had the Taurus, a little nine milimeters pistol right 463 00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:30,160 on sale and for two and fifty nine dollars. You 464 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:34,160 got a free uh what do you call it, American 465 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,720 Red Rider or whatever? The single action. 466 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:39,519 Speaker 3: Revolver. 467 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 14: Yes, but it's the it's the one you got to open. 468 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:50,119 It's like a like a Army Special back, you know, 469 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,559 you open the gate and you load around one of 470 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:54,640 the roll out. 471 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:57,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a single action revolver. So you got that 472 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,680 for free? 473 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 14: Yes? Or so I'm up to ten twenty two's right now, 474 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:08,039 and I love the twenty two cartridge. And people always 475 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,319 when I get talking to them, I say, well, let's 476 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:14,000 stop and think about it. If we're in a survival 477 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:20,119 situation and I can carry three hundred rounds of twenty 478 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,720 two versus thirty five forty five rounds of nine millimeters 479 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:29,480 or five point seven or whatever. And then I stop 480 00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:32,920 and they say, well, yeah, but I still like my 481 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:37,200 five five six. I said, okay, I said, so you're 482 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,559 going to take down a squirrel or a rabbit or whatever. 483 00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:44,200 You're out there, but on your own, you know, or 484 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,960 maybe you got two or three people with me. You know, 485 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,720 I can eat two or three squirrels. I cannot eat 486 00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:56,440 a whole deer and continue to move. Yep, you want me, 487 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,400 you want me to pack, refrigerate, and preserve. One hundred 488 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,759 and fifty pounds were dressed out in me. 489 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: I understand you understand what you're saying, all right, so 490 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:08,960 let me ask you. I'll go a little further. 491 00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 15: Right. 492 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,319 Speaker 3: We're up to ten twenty two, and I'll bet you 493 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,640 if I forced you to, you can probably find another 494 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,799 word or too you forgot about. But here's another question 495 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,720 for you. Do you have any earthly idea? How many 496 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:21,240 rounds of twenty two am you have? 497 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 14: I'm somewhere between thirty five hundred and four thous Okay, well, 498 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:38,759 let's say four hundred of that is magnum. I bought 499 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:43,880 the Keltegs BMR thirty, which as soon as I slap 500 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,960 a magazine in that booker, I have thirty rounds before 501 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:47,440 I'm out. 502 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 3: That is one of the most fun pistols to shoot. 503 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:54,519 We were shooting that thing into a range of Celtech 504 00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:56,759 one time, shooting video. I don't know if you've ever 505 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,599 experienced this with yours, but in the right light, when 506 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:03,720 you shoot that thing, it blows out a donut of fire. 507 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:06,519 It's a ring of fire that comes out from the muzzle. 508 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,200 It's really cool, Johnny. 509 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 14: It's called the Johnny Cash model, and it's a good 510 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,759 little pistol. And of course they have the CMR now, 511 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,680 which what is at fourteen or sixteen inch barrel? 512 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:22,519 Speaker 3: Right? 513 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 14: And God only knows what the muzzle velocity is on 514 00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:28,880 that bigger. 515 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,079 Speaker 3: All right, well, I love it. Thank you for the call, sir, 516 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,599 I just you know, I love He's counting up as 517 00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:37,279 twenty two and then he says, oh, but wait, there's 518 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,200 another one. Of course, at first he started out with 519 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,119 eight and he said, but I got a free one. 520 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,960 So then he said, well, I guess it's ten. I'm 521 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,680 going huh, And then he says he's got ten twenty two. 522 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,200 Is I'm thinking you got a ten twenty two? Oh 523 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,319 oh no, that's a different thing. But everybody ought to 524 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:53,680 have a ten twenty two. Also, you know another twenty 525 00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:58,000 rifle I really like, and if you have one, you understand. 526 00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:00,519 If you don't, you may not understand it. The Smith 527 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:05,440 and Wesson m n P fifteen twenty two it is, 528 00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:09,440 and they are fifteen and twenty two rim fire basically 529 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,960 the fire control group is the same. And I don't 530 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,799 know what they are three hundred four hundred bucks. They're 531 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,359 not terribly expensive. And just fun. Great way to get 532 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,960 somebody going. Got the collapsible stock, adjustable stock so you 533 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,240 can have you know, kids or people have different sizes, 534 00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:32,359 shoot them and they're just fun, and stick a red 535 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,559 dot on it and it's easy for everybody to shoot. 536 00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:37,880 It's a great way to start people out shooting. Obviously, 537 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,319 if you're going to in any of these, I know 538 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,839 sometimes people say it's just a twenty two. You don't 539 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:50,039 need hearing protection. Yes, you do. Hearing. It's a one 540 00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:54,559 way loss deal. If you've ever hung around somebody who's 541 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,799 lost his or her hearing, you start to understand how 542 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:05,599 incredibly frustrating it is. They say now that loss of 543 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:11,079 hearing actually accelerates dementia, which I can understand certainly makes 544 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:15,119 your world get smaller. All that to say, anything you 545 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,480 can do to protect your hearing is worthwhile. With somebody 546 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,039 earlier saying yeah, he wears double hearing protection, I think 547 00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:27,880 that's a great idea. We're like phone plugs and then 548 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,319 we're muffs over the top. Great way to go. Obviously, 549 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:36,319 any talk about hearing protection brings us straight into silencers 550 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:42,839 and suppressors. Just a really good idea whose time has come. 551 00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:49,160 It has now become much easier to buy a silencer. 552 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,480 What two or three years ago, it was taken a 553 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,839 year to get the forms back from the ATF. Now 554 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,440 it's two days to five days. We were having to 555 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,559 pay two hundred tax or each one of them. Every 556 00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:05,839 time you bought a suppressor or silencer, you have to 557 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,039 pay a two hundred dollars tax. The tax is gone, 558 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,359 that does not exist anymore. So now it's like no 559 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:16,000 dollars for tax in mere days to get it in, 560 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:19,519 and people are buying silencers like crazy. So there you go. 561 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,640 Let's grab stand online. Four out of the that hey 562 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,519 stand here on gun talk? Which question, sir? 563 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,279 Speaker 15: Well, I had two questions. You gave me a third one. 564 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:36,000 The first two were just fun. The first is why 565 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,759 do I need a gun? Or the same reason I 566 00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:41,880 would ask somebody why they need a fire extinguisher if 567 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,119 they're not expecting a fire. 568 00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 3: I agree you, I do you know the thing about that. 569 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,519 I'll let you get to your other questions. But I 570 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:53,519 have run that past several people when I said, well, 571 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:55,799 you know, well you got a fire extinguisher right, Trying 572 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:59,079 to use that as an example, I am stunned at 573 00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:01,519 how many people do not have a fire extinguisher in 574 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:04,799 their house. I can't even imagine it, but you'd be 575 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:06,759 amazed at how many people who don't are thinking, Okay, 576 00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,440 well you just are clearly not thinking about this. 577 00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:14,079 Speaker 15: Yeah, the same people that would of course expect calling 578 00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:15,880 the police is going to save a home break in. 579 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 3: Exactly right, exactly all right. 580 00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 15: The second is why would I want a gun? I 581 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,480 would ask why do people want ferraris? They're a lot of. 582 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 3: Fun, because they're fun, and I just want one. And 583 00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,039 really the only question at that point isn't it that 584 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,599 can I afford it? And if I can afford it 585 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,920 and I want it, why wouldn't I? 586 00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 14: Where's the hard exactly? 587 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 15: But the third one, while I was listening on hold, 588 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:48,680 you were talking about suppressors. I actually, I think that's 589 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,880 an important question. That's ear protection, right, and if we're 590 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,720 talking about using a firearm and inside your home, these 591 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,240 are people that have never fired a gun, don't know 592 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,839 what kind of damage they do to your ears. 593 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 13: Very much, Yep. 594 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,519 Speaker 15: Don't agree with suppressors not being legal, because if I'm 595 00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:15,119 going to use my forty in my house to defend myself, 596 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,920 I'd don't really like to not go death doing it. 597 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 3: I agree, you know, And I remember at Head from Gunside, 598 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,400 who edged no longer with us, but he said he 599 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,000 would keep ear muffs, electronic earbuffs next to his knight 600 00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:32,119 stander on his nightstand so that if he had to 601 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:33,480 get up, if there was a bump in the night 602 00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:36,599 or something, he put those on. Yes, to get hearing 603 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,599 protection front, but also with the amplification, you can hear 604 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:41,119 what's going on in the rooms around you. And I 605 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:45,920 thought that's brilliant. I love that idea. 606 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 15: Because exactly if I'm trying to find someone in the 607 00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:52,000 dark in my house and I have ear muff on 608 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,960 like that just makes it harder. 609 00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:59,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, But if they are amplified, if you've got electronic 610 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:02,000 ear muffs, you can hear sounds in the other rooms. 611 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,519 That just that's a better way to go. I love it. 612 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:06,159 You got three good points there, Thank you, sir. I 613 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:10,679 appreciate the call. Let's grab Chris in California on five. 614 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,280 Hey Chris, you got something interesting here? 615 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:15,039 Speaker 16: By Tom. 616 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 6: Yes, I remember from a show a while back you 617 00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:21,960 were saying that supporters of Wayne Lafier moved from the 618 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,039 n ra A to the n r A, I l 619 00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:26,039 A and no, no, no. 620 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,199 Speaker 3: No, no no no no no no no, let's let's 621 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,199 stop that right there. No, they moved to the NRA 622 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:35,119 Foundation Friends of the NRA, a different group completely. 623 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 6: Okay, well great, I'm glad you cleared that up, because 624 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,320 I got a text message saying that there's a virtual 625 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,119 session for uh, you know, working to become a you know, 626 00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:50,280 work with the NRA, I l A in their activities, 627 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:53,920 and I just wanted to verify that it wasn't something 628 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,760 that would be going to Wayne Lafier. 629 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 3: No, no, no, boy, I am really glad you asked 630 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,519 that question. No, the the bad guys at NRA with 631 00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:05,360 the Lopier group have moved over to the NRA Foundation. 632 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:08,360 They've actually changed the name of it now, and they're 633 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,599 being sued by NRA to get the money back because 634 00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:13,639 there's like one hundred and fifty million dollars sitting over 635 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:17,280 there that these guys have grabbed. But no, NRAILA is 636 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,559 perfectly good, and actually I think it's better than it's 637 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:23,639 ever been. And they're working very closely with the other 638 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,960 Second Amendment groups, Secondment Foundation, Gunners of America, Farms Policy Coalition, 639 00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:31,559 and all of them working together in these cases. So 640 00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:33,840 if you have an interest in that seminar, I would 641 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,559 suggest you go ahead and do it. 642 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 6: Okay, Can I give that information out the time of day? 643 00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? Go ahead? 644 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 6: Well okay, yeah, it's it's a webinar. It's the fourteenth 645 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,719 of this month, and it's six pm to eight pm 646 00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:47,360 Pacific standard time. 647 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 16: That's according to the text I received from. 648 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 3: That, and probably get going to the nraila website will 649 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,000 get to the information on that. I'm guessing. 650 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,199 Speaker 13: I'm guessing that too. 651 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,639 Speaker 6: I didn't research that far. I'm just like, I'm just 652 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,159 going on the text I received, and I just wanted 653 00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:04,239 to verify that there were good guys. 654 00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked. You know, you're correct. Yeah, those 655 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:12,880 directors who actually got ousted moved over to the NRA Foundation, 656 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,079 and that is the group that puts on the Friends 657 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:19,480 of the NRA banquets. The money is supposed to go 658 00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,800 to the NRA, but they somehow. I don't know exactly 659 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,039 how it happened, and there's a lawsuit involved, and it's 660 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:28,480 a mess. But no, LA is just fine. We got 661 00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,599 time for Ken. All right, let's do that line three. 662 00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:34,599 Ken's in Boise, Idaho. Hello, Ken, you're on gun talk. 663 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,159 Speaker 17: Let's talk twenty thanks, hey, twenty two. So I was 664 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,840 just counting mine up. I've got a dozen right now, 665 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,039 and I just send her and sold three hand guns 666 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,920 within the last month, and I can't have enough. I've 667 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,800 got seven hand guns and five rifles. I'm getting a 668 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,280 little on AMMO. I counted the other day, I only 669 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:05,480 had about fifty thousand rounds left, so a real big deal, 670 00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:07,920 and I thought, well, I better buy a little more. 671 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,719 So I bought another sixty six hundred crowns. So I'm 672 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,039 up to fifty six thousand rounds. Oh my god for a. 673 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 3: While, all right, So what's the next twenty two you're 674 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:17,840 gonna buy? 675 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 16: You know? 676 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,079 Speaker 17: I went through all the handguns that anybody if they 677 00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:26,400 put competition in the name. I bought one, and then 678 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,199 I sent the herd and bought two long Courts and 679 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:35,440 Black Mambas, and I love them. They both shoot so sweet. 680 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:37,559 They're like they run like a singer soul. 681 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 3: Machine, well exactly, and both Courson just makes such nice, 682 00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,559 nice guns. I mean, you really can't go bad with those, 683 00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:48,320 so just wonderful, well done. So I think fifty six 684 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,679 thousand rounds of twenty two AMO, that's that's a good number. 685 00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:54,920 You know. When people say, well, I've got like four 686 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,760 or five thousand rounds, I think, man, there's a rookie number. 687 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,960 We got up our game here and things nice about 688 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,079 it now, hammil prices are a little bit lower twenty two. 689 00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:06,440 You can afford them. You can buy them a thousand 690 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,280 at a time. One thousand this week, one thousand next week. 691 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,719 You do that for a year or two, you might 692 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,440 be up to some good numbers there. How many rounds 693 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:28,199 do you have? Love to hear? All right? That be here? 694 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:30,000 Going straight to the phone, You're going to talk with 695 00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:33,039 Bob and Denver on four. Hello Bob, you're on gun Talk. 696 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:33,800 How can we help you? 697 00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:39,599 Speaker 16: Yes, Tom, I've had multiple surgeries to my neck and 698 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,000 can't stand recoiled very much. 699 00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:44,599 Speaker 13: Uh huh, But I like. 700 00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 16: Bird sitting and looking for a resource for two and 701 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,039 a half inch twenty eight games shutgun shells and five 702 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,400 or seven and a halfs so I can shoot more. 703 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 3: Question is do you have a gun chambered in two 704 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,039 and a half inch or do you just look for 705 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:04,400 lower recoil? 706 00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 16: Lower recoil, it's chamber two and three quarters, which is 707 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,559 readily available, but two and a half inch shut shot 708 00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:17,800 before and it worked really well in Remington eleven hundred. 709 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,960 But I don't know where to buy the shells anymore. 710 00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 3: I'm not sure right off hand. I'm doing a little 711 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,159 check all right now to see what I can find. 712 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:41,000 RST might have those, Yeah, they might. RST shells online. 713 00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:43,760 You're definitely gonna have to go online. You're not gonna 714 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,000 find anything like this locally, of course. Yep, there you go, 715 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,400 two and a half inch shells. RST Shells dot com. 716 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,280 Speaker 16: Oh, perfect is very much. 717 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,039 Speaker 3: Appreciate it, you bet, and good luck with that. But 718 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,320 I appreciate what you're saying. The recoil and the twenty 719 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,239 eight gages grew. I love it because it's much much 720 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,360 more effective than a fourten is a low recoil. But also, 721 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,159 you know, not nearly the number of shot pellets, So 722 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,519 that's the way to go. Yeah, rstshells dot com. Good 723 00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:16,840 luck with that, and thanks for the call, sir. Shotgun. Oh. 724 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,880 I just got the clay coppter from Caldwell. Haven't had 725 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,800 a chance to get it out yet. That just looks 726 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,679 like the coolest fun toy. Throwing those spinning targets for well, 727 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,679 it's not clay targets. They're spinning goofy targets. You got 728 00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:32,559 to look at the video if you go to Callwell 729 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:35,159 website and take a look at the clay copter, it 730 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,119 just looked like so much fun. I've had a chance 731 00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:40,760 to shoot the targets or make them fly, but not 732 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,039 shoot them with a gun, at least not so far. 733 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,599 So we're gonna be doing that pretty soon. We'll get 734 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,199 out and do that. And I just got my twenty 735 00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:50,199 eight gauge bag. Speaking a twenty agent, I am sitting 736 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,360 off to the gunsmith, had it cleaned, had it serviced, 737 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,800 got it all back. I was able to get a 738 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,400 twenty eight gauge over and under. 739 00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:00,519 Speaker 14: That was to me. 740 00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 3: It's bent for a left handed shooter, and having your 741 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,880 shotgun fitted to you is like magic. It is unbelievable 742 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,119 what it does for you. You will shoot so much better, Seriously, 743 00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:15,199 you will. So if you're thinking about what can I 744 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,280 do next? If you like shotgunning and you've never had 745 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,400 a gun fitted to you, find a place you know 746 00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:24,920 a lot of the good skip ranges or Sporting Cleans 747 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,719 ranges will have a gunfit or available, or they have 748 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,159 one that comes through occasionally spend the money, get a 749 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:33,320 gun fitted to you. See what it does for you. 750 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,639 I think you will be amazed at what a difference 751 00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:38,840 it makes. Once again, why would I need to do that? 752 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,880 BOT because I want to. Need is not a factor 753 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,000 in this. It's not the Bill of needs, it's the 754 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,519 Bill of rights. And as our caller said, besides, it's 755 00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:53,039 communist to ask about need. Why is if I need 756 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,679 a car that goes one hundred and twenty miles an hour, 757 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,920 I don't know, just want it, Okay, it's a legal goal. 758 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,320 If I can drive that fast where it's legal. Lot 759 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,360 of will there you go, as long as you keep 760 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,039 it legal and you can afford it. I don't care. 761 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,440 And if you want to buy a three hundred dollars pistol, 762 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,360 that's fine. If you want to buy a fifty three 763 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,280 hundred dollars pistol, I don't care. It doesn't affect me 764 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,400 one way or the other. You know does It'd love 765 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,639 to get your take on that. If you want to 766 00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:22,519 join us, call me right now. You can get on 767 00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,280 the after show. Call me a Tom Talk gun. The 768 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,239 question on the floor is, let's compare five hundred dollars 769 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,760 guns and five thousand dollars guns. If you had the money, 770 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,719 would just spend it on a gun like that. In 771 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,840 the meantime, go out there, a little shooting this week. 772 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,280 Shoot more Ambo, buy more Ambo. Take somebody with you. 773 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,079 It's fun to take a friend to the rain. We 774 00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:48,719 all need to do more of that. Be safe out there, 775 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:56,920 Watch those muzzles.