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Speaker 3: All right, we're back with you, Tom Grashamiri, it's Gun Talk.
Give me a call with your range reports. Call me
at Tom Talk Gun. He's just way to get in
there now. One of my good friends been in for
a long time in the gun world and also in
the aviation world, and he's just returned from an amazing
trip flying all over Alaska. I mean, is PA twelve
Piper super Cruiser. Doug Tarnbull joins us. Doug. When was
that airplane made?
Speaker 4: Originally October sixteenth of forty six, Oh, you have the
old one.
Speaker 3: I had a forty seven. And for those who don't
know the story, you helped me find a PA twelve
Supercruiser and then helped me usher me back as I
was flying it for six days from Maine to Idaho
with you kind of checking the weather and texted me
and saying go here, go there, don't go there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've done so many trips across the country that
I got a you know, a checklist of places to
go and stay and who to see and yeah, it's great.
Speaker 3: It was terrific. Obviously, people know you from Turnbull Restorations,
where you helped really kind of reset the thinking on
what you do with an old gun. You want to
kind of explain that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I grew up in a gun shop. I'm in
dead Head Creekside gun shop. I enjoyed the hands on
aspect of gun fixing, refinishing, and my father, you know,
got into messing around with Bill bunch O color case
hardening process and I took that process and expanded it,
learned about it, figured out how to duplicate different gun manufacturers,
whether it's Parker and early Fox which is different than Winchester,
and i'l C Smith and that and are in that
company along with my employees who really put their heart
into things for close to forty years.
Speaker 3: You could bind art with science and all the stuff
you were doing.
Speaker 4: Yes, I did, And you know, I look at upgraded
guns and custom guns differently than a lot of people.
I look at it as how can we reproduce what
the factories made back in the day. So we're doing
the old original historical metal finishes, the bone, charcoal, the
carbona charcoal.
Speaker 5: Blue, rough blue.
Speaker 4: We've did restocking, did all all that stuff to make them.
And then if we were upgrading with engraving, I always pushed,
let's make it look like an original gun, not necessarily
a custom, so you would kind of mixed the two together.
But engraving, to me, it was all the old the
old style, whether it's Colt or you know, the American
shotguns for different styles, and it had to me it
had to have the proper look. It's strange, that is,
That's that's what I always pushed for sure, and that's
you know, there's some incredible, absolutely incredible custom stuff. But
my eye was always original, what's it?
Speaker 5: What was it? What does it look like originally?
Speaker 6: You know, you.
Speaker 3: Clearly have an old soul. You love the lever actions,
the single actions, you fly around a nineteen forty six airplane. Yeah,
what I say, some people are just born in the
wrong century.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes I wonder, you know why I got into
the gun side, and that the airplane side. My father
had a one eighty five in fid in behind the
house and we used to go to Alaska fishing.
Speaker 3: Well you do, both guys in there we are sounds
a little bit similar to me.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 3: I was just out flying now yesterday, went up to
Dixie Town blew Inn. Had a good time flying around Ido.
All right, So but we've got to talk about something else.
You have not just an appreciation for, but a love
of the art of gunsmithing.
Speaker 8: It is a it's a real thing for you. It
touches you, yes, it does. It's in restoration work. It's
it's not just putting a pretty finish on. It's when
was the gun made? What was the polish supposed to
look like in the that era?
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: And if it's a pre thirteen Winchester Coult, it typically
has a high polish. And it's it's not always a never,
but it's you know, it's generally always has a high polish.
And it's because it's a pre war gun. After the
war started, how do you cut back on dollars? Ententially,
you cut off the pulishing because the guys out using
them don't really care, right, So I tied all that
into what we do. And you know, it's it's got
to have the right look. It's all about the look.
It's and as a friend of mine says, when you
walk up to a restore gun or a or an
original gun that you know a very very high condition,
he says, where's the fly? And you're looking for the
fly on it? You're looking for something that stands out.
Speaker 5: It's not right, it's not right.
Speaker 4: And then from once you find it, if you find it,
if you happen to, then you start looking, well why
and you start digging deeper into especially the collectible side,
and it's that's a lot of what we did was okay,
let's try to make it so there's no flies on it.
Speaker 3: Well. And the guns that you made, and you know,
yes you worked on them, but in essence, you really
made them. People now talk about it in almost whereverent terms.
You say, oh, it's a turnbull. We're talking with Doug
Turnbull right now. I mean, and you you ran that
to a certain point and then you sold the company. Okay,
so what's the latest thing you've done.
Speaker 4: So I've been out of it for four years, and
I'm you know, I've gone to schools and I've talked
to gun smithing schools and students and I've done my part.
I've I've caught my notch out. Well, what can I
do to help the industry? I mean, the industry got
me to where I am. The industry has been very,
very gracious to us and really blessed with it. And
it's like, Okay, do I go to schools and talk
and teach? Do I you know? Do I teach different aspects?
And I came up with this idea of doing a
Doug Turnbull Firearms Restoration Grant and try to get people,
try to get the students to look at gunsmithing in
a different field. There's gunsmithing and there's repairing, and then
there's building custom guns and refinishing stuff. Well, what if
we try to get them to think about restoration and how.
Speaker 5: Is that something of an interest?
Speaker 4: So what we're doing is working with Pennsylvania Gunspensing School.
I'm funding the grant personally. It has nothing to do
with thermal restoration because I've been gone for four years.
Speaker 3: So you run your own money into this thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's my it's my money.
Speaker 4: It's it's my money, my word, my you know, my
idea to how can we give back? And what we're
going to do is work with the Pennsylvania Gunspan thing
and they're going to work it looking at and they're
going to grab their core of their group that's going
to do this restoration project, and they're going to figure
out what type of gun do we want to restore?
Is it a shotgun? Is it? Is it American shotgun?
Is what I'm kind of looking at. Is it a
Winchester or a cold or a Marown or some offshoot?
And then and then they've got to learn about it. Okay,
you know when was it manufacturer? Look at it? How
is it polished? To what degree was it polished? What
year is it?
Speaker 3: Okay? But what does your grant do? Is it like scholarship.
Speaker 4: I'm funding the work for the school to put it together,
to learn all about restoration, restore this piece, and the
peace will end up being part of the school and
the students will put their heart and soul into what
I'm hoping to learn. How to restore a firearm back
to what it was originally?
Speaker 3: Why do I get the feeling that as cool as
this is what you're doing, it feels like the start
of something. Not it's not the thing, it's the start
of the thing.
Speaker 5: It's the start of the thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's trying to change ideas, trying it's trying
to get the students and the staff, because the staff
is into it as much as the students.
Speaker 5: Sure to think, what do we got to do to.
Speaker 4: To put all this together, to bring it to fruition,
to you know, make it truly work.
Speaker 3: And once you get that going, you get people thinking
about it, and not just there, but in other gunsmithy
schools and other gunsmith's around the country.
Speaker 4: You're thinking, and that's exactly what I'm hoping for. And
I'm hoping by year two or three. You know, it
may be you know, three or four different guns schools
in one year maybe taking on this project and now
it's going to be you know, it may be three
different three different style of guns, or it's you know,
maybe it's the same brand of a rifle or.
Speaker 3: Whatever, taking cool guns and then making them beautiful again.
Speaker 4: Bring it back to the factory standards.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: And it may become a competition between them. But I've
got to start somewhere of getting the ball going and
getting some excitement in and around it.
Speaker 3: It sounds to me like you saw the company got
in your airplane, flew around the country, flew up to Alaska,
flew all over the place. You had a lot of
time to process, a lot of thoughts, and that little
single engine plane you're putt putting around, you going to
these interesting places who are in the middle of nowhere,
and you can work it on this idea for a while.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just got back from thirty two days
on the road and flew one hundred and thirty four
hours at ninety to ninety five miles an hour.
Speaker 3: People that they were kid when we say yeah, sometimes
if you got a head wind, the eight wheelers are
passing you, but.
Speaker 5: They are, they do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and you know, and sometimes you're going to
find that, you know, you've got to be five hundred
feet or maybe a little lower because you're going across
the prairie and that's the only place you've got no wind.
Speaker 5: Or maybe maybe you're lucky you got to tail one
at two miles an hour.
Speaker 3: Two miles an hour, right exactly. But it does give
a lot of time to think to come up with ideas.
Speaker 5: It does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's so many different ways to look at things.
And just like they tell the students, you know, there's
there's money in so many different areas in the industry
because you know, maybe you're a machinist, so okay, we'll
build parts for for something. Maybe you like wooden. You're
a checker. You're just a stock maker and not just
but you know your your love is is doing stocking. Well,
learn about it, become the best. Take a three hour
job and turn it into a two hour or one
hour job.
Speaker 3: Can people make a living as gunsmiths now?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah they can, I think more.
Speaker 4: Becoming specialized a general gunsmith is tough because you've got.
Speaker 5: To be a jack of all trades.
Speaker 4: Right, if you work it, it really understanding a specific
thing or you know, like us, we worked on winchesters,
We worked on American double Winchester lever guns, right, we
worked on American side by sides, some cults, single actions,
and then nineteen elevens and.
Speaker 3: By limiting the scope you were able to get really
good at what you did exactly.
Speaker 4: You know, you're doing the bone, charcoal color case hardening
and beck and was a Kentucky by centennial. Late eighties,
early nineties. Kevin Cherry called and said he wanted five
hundred Winchester ninety four case colored and I said, Yep,
we can do that. This is the price, hung up
the phone and went, what have I done?
Speaker 3: How are we going to do this?
Speaker 5: And I've and it's happened so many times.
Speaker 4: We did twenty five hundred nineteen eleventh and we Charcole blued,
we did the Remington umc run.
Speaker 3: I've often talked about my idea that we do in
our family. I've told my kids and it sounded like
you're doing the same thing, which is, if somebody asked
you if you could do something, always say yes and
then go figure out.
Speaker 4: How Yeah, exactly, And we've done that so many times.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you've done amazing work. I mean you were
this air a combination of an artist and a good businessman,
and now you have moved on to this next level,
which is, okay, how do I help other people to
do what I did and to appreciate what I appreciate.
Speaker 5: And I let them build their own name.
Speaker 3: What is the school again that you're doing this first
grant too.
Speaker 4: It's a Pennsylvania gunsmithing school down in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: Okay, very good. Well, I know they appreciate it. I
got to tell you, we appreciate those of us who
love guns and what you have done and really kind
of recaptured, if you will, this love of fine guns
and the restoration work. You You broke the ground. You
created this whole movement. You really did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I've broken the mold.
Speaker 4: I've had dealers in gunsmiths in your early eighties saying,
you know, you're were owning this stuff too. Thank God
for what you're done and what you know, the quality
they've put into it, and the acceptance of restoration if
it's done right. And there's some fantastic stuff that's being
produced that I look at it and go, I know
it's redone, but holy cow, is that good?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's really good. Well yeah, congratulations, well done. You're
an amazing talent and now you're spreading that and making
sure that that goes forward. Doug Turnbull, thank you so
much for what you're doing. My frame, Tom, great to
talk with you. Alrighty, Hi, don't go far. We'll be
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Speaker 3: I got a question, were you assuming you own more
than one pistol? And I'm guessing that a lot of
the people listening to this do how do you decide
which one to carry? If you're going to go carry
a gun for self defense? How do you make the
decision which one and which one do you carry the most?
Just kind of curious. I mean, it's like, once again,
no right or wrong answer, Just wondering. Eight six to six,
talk gun or Tom talk gun. Over in Texas, they
got a Senate race going on. Fascinating actually, and one
of the candidates, the Democrat James Tallerico, has made it
a point, although he's trying to hide from it now,
uh from voting him parading his anti gun positions. And
I'm wondering if the word is out, if Texans actually
know about taller Rico's comments, and this is not just
happenstance or somebody's saying this. This is actually on video.
You can go look at it. When he said, let's
see making sure I get this right. Yeah, he says,
I think universal background checks, I think closing the gun
show loophole, and I saw weapons ban, a large capacity
magazine ban. I think restricting large firearm purchases. I think
even we should start to think about handgun design safety standards. Hmm.
So he favors a ban on AR fifteen's favors a
ban on standard capacity magazines. Now, if you ask him
to that was in twenty twenty. If you ask him today,
he says, oh, yeah, no, no, I'm I'm a Second
Amendment supporter. Says, but most people don't really realize. You
know that you're able to do restrictions on guns and
still support the Second Amendment. Actually, no, sir, you're not.
I actually, no, you're not. I also love the ones
not tell Rica. But others said, well, you know, most
politicians have never read the Second Amendment, because if they did,
they would know it says well regulated. Well, it does,
in fact say well regulated starts off a well regulated
militia being necessary to the security of a free state.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms
shall not be in fringe. That's the whole thing, Just
a few words. But you got to go back and say,
what did the word regulated mean when they wrote it,
And you look back at the dictionaries at the time,
it was very clear and very easy to understand. And
very much not what people are saying it is today.
Regulated simply meant that it works well, really well equipped,
well run, well regulated militia means it has the equipment
it needs, has the guns, it has the ammunition, it's trained,
and it is competent. That's what well regulated meant. At
the time, we talk about regulating a clock, making sure
it's running correctly. So the current gun banners like to
say well, well regulated means we can regulate, we can
restrict gun rights. That is not at all what it meant.
And frankly, to say that is to say you know
nothing about the Supreme Court decisions of the last fifteen
twenty years on the Second Amendment, because the Supreme Court
has said, no, that's not what that meant. It's something meant,
well rehearsed, well equipped. It meant that the militia, which
is all of us, can and should it must have guns.
The second A moment actually says we should all have guns.
Now you are not required to have a gun, but
it also says the government is prohibited from keeping you
from having guns. There are those who say that you know,
the government doesn't allow or the government allows this, or
that that's not how it works in our country. Now
in other countries, that is how it works. Everything is
prohibited unless the government allows it. Here, everything is allowed
unless the government prohibits it. It is an essential difference,
and it is the essence of liberty. We can do
whatever we want unless it is specifically prohibited. That's just
the way our laws work. So no one the government
doesn't allow you to carry a gun. The government doesn't
allow you to own guns. The government may try to
prohibit those activities, but under the Second Amendment, it is
specifically prohibited from doing that. That is what the Second
Movement is. That is a restriction on the government. It
is not a right that is granted to us. We
have that right. What have you been shooting? Give me
a holler. I'd love to know about it. We'd love
to get those range reports. And also how many twenty
twos do you own? I remember back many years ago,
just not too long after we started doing gun talk radio,
MSNBC came to town and wanted to do an interview
with me. They spent like three days with me, and
in the process of doing all that, and once they
asked me, so, well, how many guns do you own?
And just just popped into my head. I said more
than I need and not as many as I want.
Still seems like a good answer. I don't know. Let's
go line one. John's with us out of Saint Louis, Missouri. Hello, John,
you're on gun talk.
Speaker 13: Oh, yes, I'm here to hear me.
Speaker 3: I got you.
Speaker 13: Go ahead, sir, Yeah, I'm driving right now. I'm heading
down to the Arnold Rifle Pistol Club in Arnold, south
of Saint Louis to shoot from a wobble trap. But
when I hear you, that word need comes up all
the time in your discussions where people are quizzing you
need versus what do you need a car for? What
do you need of this or that? What I've been
doing for so many years is when I hear somebody
ask that, I ask him right there, I go, Hey,
what are you a communist? You know? They look at
me befuddled, like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: John?
Speaker 13: I said, that's the communist word. That's communism. When you're
starting to decide what people need. Our country is a
country of wants. And if you want something legally obviously,
but you get busy you figure out how to get it.
You may or may not get it, but that's what
you do. But when it comes down to needs, there's
going to be a group somewhere deciding what you need.
And my final on that is, if we were to
get taken over by communism. I'm seventy nine so hopefully not,
but if that were to happen, I want to be
a decider. I call it a group of deciders, And
I tell my buddies, I'll be trying to be as
fair and nice to you as I can be. But
believe you me, you don't want me deciding on what
you need, whether it be the house, own, the car, own,
the gun, to own or not own. You don't want
me there, even though I be a pretty good guy,
I think. But I tell you what, I challenge everybody
when you hear that word pop up up in conversations,
what do you need that for? What do they need
that communists? And call them out on it.
Speaker 3: There you go. I like it. That's a great I
tell you what I'm going to borrow that consider it stolen.
There you go. So it's a good idea. Thank you
for the call. I appreciate it. Hell yeah, good shooting.
By the way, when you get down to Arnold. Yeah,
somebody said, what do you need that for? What do
you mean what I need it for? I want? I
want it. You know, the only question is is it legal?
Do I want it? And can I afford it? You know,
what do you need a five thousand dollars pistol for?
Don't That's the good part about it. I don't have
to need anything. I just want it and if I
can afford it, or like in my case to say, okay,
well I'm going to get something that I've been going
through the process over the last few years of I
have a lot of guns and um are very special
and sell them several at a time and then replacing
them with like one really nice gun. So now I'm
going to quality over quantity. I guess that is what
you'd say. All right, let's start down line too. Tom
said in the Houston, Texas Hello to time you're on
gun Talky.
Speaker 14: Good afternoon, Tom. Yes, sir, that's about how many twenty
two's I've got, right, And I was sitting here thinking
I got seven of them, but then I remembered recently
they had the Taurus, a little nine milimeters pistol right
on sale and for two and fifty nine dollars. You
got a free uh what do you call it, American
Red Rider or whatever? The single action.
Speaker 3: Revolver.
Speaker 14: Yes, but it's the it's the one you got to open.
It's like a like a Army Special back, you know,
you open the gate and you load around one of
the roll out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a single action revolver. So you got that
for free?
Speaker 14: Yes? Or so I'm up to ten twenty two's right now,
and I love the twenty two cartridge. And people always
when I get talking to them, I say, well, let's
stop and think about it. If we're in a survival
situation and I can carry three hundred rounds of twenty
two versus thirty five forty five rounds of nine millimeters
or five point seven or whatever. And then I stop
and they say, well, yeah, but I still like my
five five six. I said, okay, I said, so you're
going to take down a squirrel or a rabbit or whatever.
You're out there, but on your own, you know, or
maybe you got two or three people with me. You know,
I can eat two or three squirrels. I cannot eat
a whole deer and continue to move. Yep, you want me,
you want me to pack, refrigerate, and preserve. One hundred
and fifty pounds were dressed out in me.
Speaker 3: I understand you understand what you're saying, all right, so
let me ask you. I'll go a little further.
Speaker 15: Right.
Speaker 3: We're up to ten twenty two, and I'll bet you
if I forced you to, you can probably find another
word or too you forgot about. But here's another question
for you. Do you have any earthly idea? How many
rounds of twenty two am you have?
Speaker 14: I'm somewhere between thirty five hundred and four thous Okay, well,
let's say four hundred of that is magnum. I bought
the Keltegs BMR thirty, which as soon as I slap
a magazine in that booker, I have thirty rounds before
I'm out.
Speaker 3: That is one of the most fun pistols to shoot.
We were shooting that thing into a range of Celtech
one time, shooting video. I don't know if you've ever
experienced this with yours, but in the right light, when
you shoot that thing, it blows out a donut of fire.
It's a ring of fire that comes out from the muzzle.
It's really cool, Johnny.
Speaker 14: It's called the Johnny Cash model, and it's a good
little pistol. And of course they have the CMR now,
which what is at fourteen or sixteen inch barrel?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 14: And God only knows what the muzzle velocity is on
that bigger.
Speaker 3: All right, well, I love it. Thank you for the call, sir,
I just you know, I love He's counting up as
twenty two and then he says, oh, but wait, there's
another one. Of course, at first he started out with
eight and he said, but I got a free one.
So then he said, well, I guess it's ten. I'm
going huh, And then he says he's got ten twenty two.
Is I'm thinking you got a ten twenty two? Oh
oh no, that's a different thing. But everybody ought to
have a ten twenty two. Also, you know another twenty
rifle I really like, and if you have one, you understand.
If you don't, you may not understand it. The Smith
and Wesson m n P fifteen twenty two it is,
and they are fifteen and twenty two rim fire basically
the fire control group is the same. And I don't
know what they are three hundred four hundred bucks. They're
not terribly expensive. And just fun. Great way to get
somebody going. Got the collapsible stock, adjustable stock so you
can have you know, kids or people have different sizes,
shoot them and they're just fun, and stick a red
dot on it and it's easy for everybody to shoot.
It's a great way to start people out shooting. Obviously,
if you're going to in any of these, I know
sometimes people say it's just a twenty two. You don't
need hearing protection. Yes, you do. Hearing. It's a one
way loss deal. If you've ever hung around somebody who's
lost his or her hearing, you start to understand how
incredibly frustrating it is. They say now that loss of
hearing actually accelerates dementia, which I can understand certainly makes
your world get smaller. All that to say, anything you
can do to protect your hearing is worthwhile. With somebody
earlier saying yeah, he wears double hearing protection, I think
that's a great idea. We're like phone plugs and then
we're muffs over the top. Great way to go. Obviously,
any talk about hearing protection brings us straight into silencers
and suppressors. Just a really good idea whose time has come.
It has now become much easier to buy a silencer.
What two or three years ago, it was taken a
year to get the forms back from the ATF. Now
it's two days to five days. We were having to
pay two hundred tax or each one of them. Every
time you bought a suppressor or silencer, you have to
pay a two hundred dollars tax. The tax is gone,
that does not exist anymore. So now it's like no
dollars for tax in mere days to get it in,
and people are buying silencers like crazy. So there you go.
Let's grab stand online. Four out of the that hey
stand here on gun talk? Which question, sir?
Speaker 15: Well, I had two questions. You gave me a third one.
The first two were just fun. The first is why
do I need a gun? Or the same reason I
would ask somebody why they need a fire extinguisher if
they're not expecting a fire.
Speaker 3: I agree you, I do you know the thing about that.
I'll let you get to your other questions. But I
have run that past several people when I said, well,
you know, well you got a fire extinguisher right, Trying
to use that as an example, I am stunned at
how many people do not have a fire extinguisher in
their house. I can't even imagine it, but you'd be
amazed at how many people who don't are thinking, Okay,
well you just are clearly not thinking about this.
Speaker 15: Yeah, the same people that would of course expect calling
the police is going to save a home break in.
Speaker 3: Exactly right, exactly all right.
Speaker 15: The second is why would I want a gun? I
would ask why do people want ferraris? They're a lot of.
Speaker 3: Fun, because they're fun, and I just want one. And
really the only question at that point isn't it that
can I afford it? And if I can afford it
and I want it, why wouldn't I?
Speaker 14: Where's the hard exactly?
Speaker 15: But the third one, while I was listening on hold,
you were talking about suppressors. I actually, I think that's
an important question. That's ear protection, right, and if we're
talking about using a firearm and inside your home, these
are people that have never fired a gun, don't know
what kind of damage they do to your ears.
Speaker 13: Very much, Yep.
Speaker 15: Don't agree with suppressors not being legal, because if I'm
going to use my forty in my house to defend myself,
I'd don't really like to not go death doing it.
Speaker 3: I agree, you know, And I remember at Head from Gunside,
who edged no longer with us, but he said he
would keep ear muffs, electronic earbuffs next to his knight
stander on his nightstand so that if he had to
get up, if there was a bump in the night
or something, he put those on. Yes, to get hearing
protection front, but also with the amplification, you can hear
what's going on in the rooms around you. And I
thought that's brilliant. I love that idea.
Speaker 15: Because exactly if I'm trying to find someone in the
dark in my house and I have ear muff on
like that just makes it harder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But if they are amplified, if you've got electronic
ear muffs, you can hear sounds in the other rooms.
That just that's a better way to go. I love it.
You got three good points there, Thank you, sir. I
appreciate the call. Let's grab Chris in California on five.
Hey Chris, you got something interesting here?
Speaker 16: By Tom.
Speaker 6: Yes, I remember from a show a while back you
were saying that supporters of Wayne Lafier moved from the
n ra A to the n r A, I l
A and no, no, no.
Speaker 3: No, no no no no no no no, let's let's
stop that right there. No, they moved to the NRA
Foundation Friends of the NRA, a different group completely.
Speaker 6: Okay, well great, I'm glad you cleared that up, because
I got a text message saying that there's a virtual
session for uh, you know, working to become a you know,
work with the NRA, I l A in their activities,
and I just wanted to verify that it wasn't something
that would be going to Wayne Lafier.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, boy, I am really glad you asked
that question. No, the the bad guys at NRA with
the Lopier group have moved over to the NRA Foundation.
They've actually changed the name of it now, and they're
being sued by NRA to get the money back because
there's like one hundred and fifty million dollars sitting over
there that these guys have grabbed. But no, NRAILA is
perfectly good, and actually I think it's better than it's
ever been. And they're working very closely with the other
Second Amendment groups, Secondment Foundation, Gunners of America, Farms Policy Coalition,
and all of them working together in these cases. So
if you have an interest in that seminar, I would
suggest you go ahead and do it.
Speaker 6: Okay, Can I give that information out the time of day?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Go ahead?
Speaker 6: Well okay, yeah, it's it's a webinar. It's the fourteenth
of this month, and it's six pm to eight pm
Pacific standard time.
Speaker 16: That's according to the text I received from.
Speaker 3: That, and probably get going to the nraila website will
get to the information on that. I'm guessing.
Speaker 13: I'm guessing that too.
Speaker 6: I didn't research that far. I'm just like, I'm just
going on the text I received, and I just wanted
to verify that there were good guys.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked. You know, you're correct. Yeah, those
directors who actually got ousted moved over to the NRA Foundation,
and that is the group that puts on the Friends
of the NRA banquets. The money is supposed to go
to the NRA, but they somehow. I don't know exactly
how it happened, and there's a lawsuit involved, and it's
a mess. But no, LA is just fine. We got
time for Ken. All right, let's do that line three.
Ken's in Boise, Idaho. Hello, Ken, you're on gun talk.
Speaker 17: Let's talk twenty thanks, hey, twenty two. So I was
just counting mine up. I've got a dozen right now,
and I just send her and sold three hand guns
within the last month, and I can't have enough. I've
got seven hand guns and five rifles. I'm getting a
little on AMMO. I counted the other day, I only
had about fifty thousand rounds left, so a real big deal,
and I thought, well, I better buy a little more.
So I bought another sixty six hundred crowns. So I'm
up to fifty six thousand rounds. Oh my god for a.
Speaker 3: While, all right, So what's the next twenty two you're
gonna buy?
Speaker 16: You know?
Speaker 17: I went through all the handguns that anybody if they
put competition in the name. I bought one, and then
I sent the herd and bought two long Courts and
Black Mambas, and I love them. They both shoot so sweet.
They're like they run like a singer soul.
Speaker 3: Machine, well exactly, and both Courson just makes such nice,
nice guns. I mean, you really can't go bad with those,
so just wonderful, well done. So I think fifty six
thousand rounds of twenty two AMO, that's that's a good number.
You know. When people say, well, I've got like four
or five thousand rounds, I think, man, there's a rookie number.
We got up our game here and things nice about
it now, hammil prices are a little bit lower twenty two.
You can afford them. You can buy them a thousand
at a time. One thousand this week, one thousand next week.
You do that for a year or two, you might
be up to some good numbers there. How many rounds
do you have? Love to hear? All right? That be here?
Going straight to the phone, You're going to talk with
Bob and Denver on four. Hello Bob, you're on gun Talk.
How can we help you?
Speaker 16: Yes, Tom, I've had multiple surgeries to my neck and
can't stand recoiled very much.
Speaker 13: Uh huh, But I like.
Speaker 16: Bird sitting and looking for a resource for two and
a half inch twenty eight games shutgun shells and five
or seven and a halfs so I can shoot more.
Speaker 3: Question is do you have a gun chambered in two
and a half inch or do you just look for
lower recoil?
Speaker 16: Lower recoil, it's chamber two and three quarters, which is
readily available, but two and a half inch shut shot
before and it worked really well in Remington eleven hundred.
But I don't know where to buy the shells anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure right off hand. I'm doing a little
check all right now to see what I can find.
RST might have those, Yeah, they might. RST shells online.
You're definitely gonna have to go online. You're not gonna
find anything like this locally, of course. Yep, there you go,
two and a half inch shells. RST Shells dot com.
Speaker 16: Oh, perfect is very much.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it, you bet, and good luck with that. But
I appreciate what you're saying. The recoil and the twenty
eight gages grew. I love it because it's much much
more effective than a fourten is a low recoil. But also,
you know, not nearly the number of shot pellets, So
that's the way to go. Yeah, rstshells dot com. Good
luck with that, and thanks for the call, sir. Shotgun. Oh.
I just got the clay coppter from Caldwell. Haven't had
a chance to get it out yet. That just looks
like the coolest fun toy. Throwing those spinning targets for well,
it's not clay targets. They're spinning goofy targets. You got
to look at the video if you go to Callwell
website and take a look at the clay copter, it
just looked like so much fun. I've had a chance
to shoot the targets or make them fly, but not
shoot them with a gun, at least not so far.
So we're gonna be doing that pretty soon. We'll get
out and do that. And I just got my twenty
eight gauge bag. Speaking a twenty agent, I am sitting
off to the gunsmith, had it cleaned, had it serviced,
got it all back. I was able to get a
twenty eight gauge over and under.
Speaker 14: That was to me.
Speaker 3: It's bent for a left handed shooter, and having your
shotgun fitted to you is like magic. It is unbelievable
what it does for you. You will shoot so much better, Seriously,
you will. So if you're thinking about what can I
do next? If you like shotgunning and you've never had
a gun fitted to you, find a place you know
a lot of the good skip ranges or Sporting Cleans
ranges will have a gunfit or available, or they have
one that comes through occasionally spend the money, get a
gun fitted to you. See what it does for you.
I think you will be amazed at what a difference
it makes. Once again, why would I need to do that?
BOT because I want to. Need is not a factor
in this. It's not the Bill of needs, it's the
Bill of rights. And as our caller said, besides, it's
communist to ask about need. Why is if I need
a car that goes one hundred and twenty miles an hour,
I don't know, just want it, Okay, it's a legal goal.
If I can drive that fast where it's legal. Lot
of will there you go, as long as you keep
it legal and you can afford it. I don't care.
And if you want to buy a three hundred dollars pistol,
that's fine. If you want to buy a fifty three
hundred dollars pistol, I don't care. It doesn't affect me
one way or the other. You know does It'd love
to get your take on that. If you want to
join us, call me right now. You can get on
the after show. Call me a Tom Talk gun. The
question on the floor is, let's compare five hundred dollars
guns and five thousand dollars guns. If you had the money,
would just spend it on a gun like that. In
the meantime, go out there, a little shooting this week.
Shoot more Ambo, buy more Ambo. Take somebody with you.
It's fun to take a friend to the rain. We
all need to do more of that. Be safe out there,
Watch those muzzles.