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Now let's dive in to today's episode. I'd like to

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welcome John to the app to our to Next Level

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Soul TV. Thank you so so much for doing this

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this exclusive little Q and A with me, my friend.

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Thank you so much for coming here. You are returning champions,

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so thank you, sir.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, if Alex calls I come, it's just

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what I do. I actually am so grateful to be

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back here, Alex. I love hanging out with you. I

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think you and I have such of the great, lively

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conversations that really kind of awaken people's to their own

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to their own fitted tea within.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, my friend, absolutely, And you know, these these

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this conversation is going to be a little bit more

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loose than we normally have, though we have fairly loose

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conversations on.

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Speaker 4: This you high. Absolutely, yes, fairly.

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Speaker 1: Loose conversations, but this is kind of a little behind

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the scenes of you know, just us kind of just

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shooting the stuff, as they say, and and answering some

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Q and A questions from the audience. So my first

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question to you is from the audience. This is an

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audience question, and sometimes I'll throw a couple of mine

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because I'm gonna ask some questions. And this one's about Jesus.

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Was Jesus Christ ever married?

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Speaker 2: He absolutely was married. In fact, one of my past

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life progressions, he kept referring to his wife as ishti,

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which is the ancient Hebrew and Arabic words both for wife.

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It was absolutely Mary Magdalene. And I'm actually in the

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process right now painting a picture of the two of

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them together laughing. So you finally have a laughing Jesus picture.

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Speaker 1: Well, what do you mean, because he always looks so

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dour in all the listen. That's as far as Jesus

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pictures are concerned. That is as happy as I see

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him generally speak. So you know, at least he's not

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in pain, at least that.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know that that painting.

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Speaker 2: I painted that three months after my regression, so this

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was like straight from memory.

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Speaker 4: And about two months later.

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Speaker 2: I was at a holistic festival and a woman walks by,

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and she stops and she sees the painting. She says, whoever,

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whoever painted that saw him on the cross?

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Speaker 4: Wow, she says.

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Speaker 2: She says, it's in the eyes, whoever painted that saw

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him on the cross? And I was and she had

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no idea it was me. And then I was standing

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there and then my passed lay from memory was looking

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up at him on a cross.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, so he was. Now did he ever

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during the time that in my regression, he did not

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have children. And after the crucifixion, he came Mary Magdalen

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came back to Galilee with John, and so did Jeshua's

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mother came back with him to Galilee, basically to get

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him away from Jerusalem so they'd be safe, and then

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family came from Magdala and took her back to their home,

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play hometown. But I personally don't have any memories past that.

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came back to India afterwards after the crucifixion and raised

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his children there, And I personally like to think that

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that's the truth, because I'd like to think the man

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Speaker 1: Very Showshank redemption. He's on a beach somewhere. Yeah, as

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long as Morgan Freeman is there, everything is perfect. Morgan

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was obviously narrating the entire episode that was going.

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Speaker 4: On, and he went back to India.

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Speaker 1: Where there were penguins for some reason. I'm sorry that

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was a throwback to March of the Penguins. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: So but what's really interesting about what you said there

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is because I've also heard from multiple sources that Jesus

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did die in the cross, did get resurrected, but he

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he didn't. He came back, not just as a ghost

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for three days, but he came back, came back and

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just left and went to and went Tod went to India,

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is what I heard. And I heard somewhere a lot

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of money go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: One of my memories was after the crucifixion, seeing him again.

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I had which cactually came before my regression. I fell

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on my face in front of him and I look

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up at him. He's laughing at me because I fell

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in my face. And that was after the crucifixion back

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in Galilee. And that's actually the last memory I have

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of him is is on that beach in Galilee after

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the crucifixion.

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Speaker 4: So I know he came back.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know what he did after that, because

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I have no other memories of that afterwards.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So what I heard from a filmmaker who wrote

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a whole did a whole movie on Jesus in India

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is that he came back after the resurrection went towards

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it went toward India. Halfway through Mary died and she's buried.

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This is this is this is not only there's there.

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took videos of this. Yeah, it's in this little I

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don't knowice if it's a country or a territory that

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is always being fought over by India and Pakistan. So

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some years Pakistan controls a sometime India controls it. So

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when he was there, I think Pakistan was controlling it.

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area where there's like buildings and other things in a

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big antenna. But they don't touch this thing. This area

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like they it's kind of like they built around it.

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is buried. They buried her along the path back to India.

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not supposed to do. He almost I mean, he barely

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got out with skinner, but he's there's a film of it.

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heard about India and Jesus afterwards. But even more so

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the time period between year thirteen and year thirty thirty.

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I think it is when he came back on the

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doggy as they say that time. What do you know

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of that time? Did he go to Egypt to the

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mystery schools, did he go to Tibet? Did he go

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to India?

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Speaker 4: You're talking from the time he was a child till

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he came.

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Speaker 1: Back thirteen thirteen to thirty Yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: So this is where I am also kind of lost

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because my past, I for wgression, was the day that

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John met him, right, and I truly believe he was

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coming back from India at the time. So I don't

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I don't have memories of time when he was in India.

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for me, I don't have that. But I believe that

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he was studying elsewhere, and I believe he was coming

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back from somewhere with with the knowledge that we didn't

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necessarily have there. We were in our area. We were

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all you know, Jews, and we were all following the

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Hebrew Bible, you know the tour you know, we called

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the Hebrew Bible.

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Speaker 4: Now the.

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Speaker 1: Old Testament is the Old.

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Speaker 2: Testament is Old Testament, not light but heavy.

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Speaker 1: Very heavy, very yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so I believe, I absolutely, one hundred percent believe

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he was in India. And I believe that, and actually

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I believe that's a huge part of the resurrection story

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because you can go to India and you can talk

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to Gudu's over there who will talk about like coming

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to a river and projecting their consciousness to the other side,

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manifesting their body and keep walking. And I had a

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friend of mine who was years ago, was a professional

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I have weird friends because I did Renaissance festivals. He

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was a professional sword swallower, and but he had he

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was a practicing Hindu. Behind the stage, he had a

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whole temple to his guru and all this stuff. And

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he swears that he took a friend of his to

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India to meet his guru and the guy was just

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not interested in spiritual out at all. Was bored the

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whole time he was there. And halfway through the trip,

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the Guru walks up to him says, why what's going on?

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He says, I wish I had my guitar at least

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I could play. He was just kind of annoyed about

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being there, and go to says, where's your guitar? He says,

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it's in San Francisco, And my friend swears to God,

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about an hour and a half later, he handed him

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his guitar.

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Speaker 2: He says, he literally went to San Francisco, got a

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guitar and brought it back. And now I look at

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this I look at this world from the oneness, from

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the non duality perspective. I think that we're all in

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an illusion of belief, and I think that we can

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project ourselves into it from wherever we are. We know

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scientifically that when someone dies, there's anywhere between one hundred

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I'm sorry ten times to a thousand times the radiation

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amidst from the body at the moment of death. Now

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you look at the like the shroud of tourum, whether

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you believe it's real or not. What creates a what

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creates a negative on fabric? A bright light? So if

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if he was able to create that sort of bright

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light and change his body in the in the energy

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form and come back, you know, is it possible?

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Speaker 4: Sure it is? Have I done it? Not yet?

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Speaker 1: It's like everyone says, you know, everyone wants to go

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to heaven, but just not right now.

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Speaker 2: Right There's a lot a lot I talk to that

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want to go to heaven right now.

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Speaker 1: Yet exactly what most people generally don't want it.

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Speaker 4: Most people don't.

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Speaker 1: So very one thing I discovered in my research about

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I was talking to uh an archaeologist researcher, and we

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were going deep into the Bible and the concept of hell,

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and I go, where did hell come from? Because I

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know Dante Dante really did a number on all of

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us when he wrote those books. Because Dante's book is

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essentially what is hell? I mean, if you look at

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anywhere that is the pitchforks and the turnout that's all Dante.

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That has nothing to do with anything else. All that,

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all that, all that liquor, fire, all that stuff is Dante.

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no help.

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Speaker 2: Hell shield or the place where the dead people go.

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that's the end of it. It's not much, yeah, exactly.

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insight on this, is that where the Bible, the the

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the Council, and I see I got the idea for

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if you don't do this, you have to you know,

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you get some sort of consequence to control the population.

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Jesus when he was preaching, he would talk about this

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junk yard or this place where the garbage would go,

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and it was always on fire, and he goes he

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would say that your greed would live there forever, or

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you're it was. He was using it as an analogy,

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not as a physical place. And it was literally, oh, look,

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the garbage jump is on fire all the time. You

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part of you is going to live in that thing forever.

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the in the New test is it new or in

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the Bible as it is? Now, what do you know

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about that, sir? So?

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Speaker 2: In the ancient times, the word that became hell was

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Gehenna or Hades, that's the Greek version. Now, what's interesting

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about Gehenna was the Valley of Gehenna was an area

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where an old Jewish warlord took a bunch of children

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and killed them and killed them in very tortuous ways.

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trash dump on the ouskirts of Jerusalem, and so it

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became this torturous place that now has fire burning all

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Speaker 4: And then they'd say, you know, if you're.

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Speaker 2: Bad, you're gonna go burn in Gehenna, right, you know

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those sort of ideas, right, so we're going to trash you,

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you know, so it really is yeah, from the history

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of the time. It really comes from Gehenna and from Hades,

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and Hades being the Greek version, right. I can remember

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our earliest text of the Bible were written in Greek,

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not Aramaic, not Hebrew.

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Speaker 4: They're written in Greek.

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Speaker 2: The first books Matthew, Mark, and Luke all come from

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about one hundred years after the crucifixion. And the earliest

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text we have is from Paul, who never met Joshua

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in life, and his first letter comes from about fifty years.

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Speaker 4: After the crucifixion.

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Speaker 2: So all of the texts for reading are all from

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oral tradition and hearsay that somebody wrote down and then

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they most of them wrote them down with a personal agenda.

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Speaker 1: And when you have this prole.

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Speaker 4: No, can you imagine you imagine.

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Speaker 1: It's never never throughout history has hearsay being written down

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hundreds of years later. Ever fail us?

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Speaker 4: Right, right, you look at the well, you look at

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the Old Testament. You know this, this army wiped out

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Speaker 2: So God must have been with them, right, you know,

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it's like you know, they say, it's the by the

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written by the victors, by the you know, the history

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written by the victors.

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Speaker 4: So the thing is is that with Hell.

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Speaker 2: Once Dante wrote his Inferno, the medieval orders started making

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it their their belief, their truth, and it became it

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became very much a control feature, right, especially in.

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Speaker 4: The Catholic Church, because the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 2: Used to use Hell as a means of gaining power

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not only over the people, but but financially. You've got

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to remember, the first bank, the first banking system came

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from the templar knights.

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Speaker 4: You know, they were the ones who.

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Speaker 2: Were you can give me your money here in Jerusalem,

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and you can go to my templar knight friend in

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England and he can you can withdraw.

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Speaker 4: Your money from him. So you know, so they had this.

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Speaker 2: All the financial stuff was coming out of medieval Europe,

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which is also fascinating because medieval Europe started creating all

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these stories like Mary Magdalen came to France and all

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these other stories to make themselves part of the story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean they wrote themselves into the movie,

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if you.

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Speaker 4: Will, right, exactly, And it's the same thing with with Hell.

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Speaker 2: You know, the original stories were this this shiol right,

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and then as time went on, promoting more fear becomes

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very popular.

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Speaker 4: It's like the Rapture. You know, the Rapture is not biblical.

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Speaker 2: But in eighteen thirty when that, when that was written

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by Minister Darby, all the evangelicals were like, wow, that's

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a great fear based thing to use. Let's use that,

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you know, and they started putting out all of these

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Left Behind series and all these things. But it's that

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agenda idea again. And it's the same thing with Hell.

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Promoting Hell's is a real great way to keep people

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in line and in mediable Europe. The last Rights that

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the Catholic Mass rights last Rights was designed specifically to

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get the person to leave their wealth to the Church

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at the end of their life.

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Speaker 1: Well it isn't it. This is something I heard again

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because when I was at the Vatican it was the

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first time I ever came to the conclusion that like

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Roman Catholic Church, Oh my god, the Romans did this.

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I never put two together in my entire life, never

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really connected the Romans with the Roman Catholic Church. Why,

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I have no idea, but a lot. Apparently after I

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said that in an episode, a lot of commons said,

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oh my god, I didn't think of that either. It's

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I understand that basically the fall of Rome and all

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the wealth that Rome had that just rolled right into

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the Vatican, that just rolled into the Roman Catholic Church.

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Is that a fair statement.

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Speaker 4: It's a very fair statement.

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Speaker 2: It's actually a really interesting statement because if you go

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to the Gnostic text, they say to Jeshua, who do

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we go to when you're gone? And they say, he

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says j James, my brother James. He does not say Peter.

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But Peter was the apostle who went to Rome, and

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so for Rome to become the seat of Christianity, Peter

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had to be the first pope, and so Peter became

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the important one. Then you go back and dive into

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other Gnostic texts and you start finding something really interesting

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because you start to see Peter just being infused in

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other stories, not having a real part of the story,

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but Peter. It's kind of like, and Peter was there

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with him behind the rock doing that thing, and they

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started infusing Peter into the story so that Peter would

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have a place in importance in the story, and so

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the forefront, and it's like, you know that, you know,

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the Catholic Church is fascinating because it comes down to Constantine, right,

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the sites were. She literally went around and said, the

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search will help Holy suppochers versus has happened, you know,

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three hundred years after the fact. She's the one who

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said Mount Sinai is Mount Sinai. She's the one who

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did all this stuff. But what she also is one

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of the first saints, Saint Helena of Constantinople, is from

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his mother. But the thing that's interesting about Constantine to

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me is that his conversion happened supposedly by seeing a

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giant flaming cross in the sky and the letter PX

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all over the place, and so he had this and

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supposedly his army saw it and all this stuff. Well,

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when you dive into the history of that story, it's

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really interesting. There's three accountings of Constantine's vision. The first

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accounting comes as the oldest accounting. Constantine, on his way

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to Rome to defeat this other general, stopped at the

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Temple of Apollo, and Apollo appeared to him and told

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him that Constantine was Apollo on earth, didn't even have

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anything to do with God or Jesus. Right, of course,

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Constantine camped out and while he was sleeping, he had

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a dream and he saw the letter PX.

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Speaker 4: So he had PX written on all his soldiers shields.

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Right, saying that would be the thing that would make

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them win. Thirty years later, some guy writes this book

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about the history of Christianity to this point, and suddenly

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his entire army sees a flaming cross in the sky

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and p X. Every he dropped on their knees and

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God was with them, and that was the big conversion

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of Constantine. So Constantine, and you know, I've seen writings

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and articles saying that Constantine didn't get baptized till till

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his deathbed. Right, so he basically wanted to live the

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life of a pagan and then go to a Christian hell,

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you know, Toga toga, toga, then go, you know. So

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it was like so he was having is a grandele life.

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Speaker 4: He was just doing it for the power and the glory.

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Speaker 2: He saw the way the things were moving, and he

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said it's time to shift everything over to Christianity.

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Speaker 1: He was a politician essentially. He was a politician as

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a politician essentially. You said something interesting about the Knights Templar,

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who is something that I'm starting to get into a

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little bit more. I'm digging a little bit more into

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that I find them. I mean, I've known about them

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and the Freemasons and those kind of people, but the

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Knights Templars specifically are really fascinated in connection with the

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Grail legend and also with the Arc legend and what

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they've done in that cross that they wore. I forgot

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the name of that cross, but the cross they wore

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that the X, but it's it looks like a cross,

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the red one that they wore on their shields and

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they wore on themselves and which yeah, which which actually

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comes from the Onaki and Samerian texts. So it's you know,

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you start going deeper into that stuff. But what do

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you know about the connection from the Knights Templar and

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what they were really doing with I mean, if you

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go down to dan Brown Road, which you know with

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Mary Magdalene and all that stuff. But they it seems

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like they've been hiding or at least protecting information and

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knowledge for a long time. And at least that's what

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it sounds like. I love to hear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I don't have a lot of information.

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It's interesting you asked me about this question because I

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recently did my ancestry and I come from the Rose line.

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My family goes back to Rose Castle in Scotland, and

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so I actually have temper Templar lineage in my family,

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which I'm not a Templar never, and I'm not amazing either,

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But I just find it interesting that I trace back

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to that. When I look at the Templars, I find them.

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I find them as a as an amazing order that

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was getting too powerful personally. It's just like any other

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Christian or any other religious belief. And what happened was,

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you know, Friday the thirteenth is because of the Templars.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh, it's because they killed a bunch of people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What happened was that the King of France owed the

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Templar's a lot of money, and the king said.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's just wipe them all out so.

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Speaker 2: I don't have to pay them. And he chose the

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thirteenth of Friday the thirteenth, and that's why we still

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have the tradition of Friday the thirteenth being a unlucky

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day or whatever, because they literally went through and wiped

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them all out, which is why they all.

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Speaker 4: Were fleeing and hiding.

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Speaker 2: This TV show I like to watch called Oak Island,

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The Curse of Oak Island.

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Speaker 4: How don't you watch that at all?

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Speaker 2: They're finding all kinds of really up in Nova Scotia.

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They're finding this island has had this mystery going on

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for years, and the Templar Knights supposedly were there. They're

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finding all this templar stuff in Nova Scotia, and there's

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this pit where all this stuff has been buried for years,

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and nobody's been trying to get to it for two

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hundred years, including a lot of high ranking Masons have

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been trying to get to it, including Franklin Roosevelt. He

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tried to get to it too. What it's called the

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Curse of a Clodn's television show on Discovery. But it's fascinating.

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The story's been going on forever. But as far as

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the Templars are concerned, you know, they were a militant

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order that was based in that very highly Christian thing,

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you know, you said Dan Brown. Dan Brown's interesting. He

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comes from the Blood. His whole book idea comes from

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the Blood in the Grail, which is a book that

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was written a long time ago. But that book was

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written from a guy who was trying to prove that

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he was the ancestor of Jeshua. And so he and

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his buddy had created these documents that looked like ancient

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documents and actually put them in libraries in France. Well,

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it was it was very quickly debunked because they went

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to their friend's house and found his friend making the documents, right,

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Speaker 4: A total fraud case.

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Speaker 2: He was literally trying to prove that they came to

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France so that he could be the descendant.

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Speaker 4: Of Jesus, you know, so, and then they wrote the

477
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book from there.

478
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,519
Speaker 2: So it's all this misinformation that's out there that that's

479
00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:04,480
really kind of a It's kind of sad because you know,

480
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,519
people tell these stories and all these frauds happen, but

481
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,079
the story of Jeshua is much more beautiful and much

482
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,519
more simple. And everyone likes to say, you know, the Messiah,

483
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:16,000
and he was a man who found this divinity and

484
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,519
was showing us ours and and that was the best

485
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:21,440
part of the whole thing. Is that's a grant, so

486
00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:24,799
much better story than some of the lights of the sky.

487
00:25:24,759 --> 00:25:27,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'd agree with you one hundred percent.

488
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,200
I mean again, I've said this before, but like I went,

489
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,640
when I was sitting around and looking at the Vatican,

490
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:36,480
I'm like, this has nothing to do with Jesus. This

491
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,240
is nothing to do with Jesus. This is all about

492
00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:46,200
power and greed and pompous and opulence. Oh she's the

493
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:50,240
walls are literally paved with gold. I mean, you sit there,

494
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,519
it's in you sat in awe. It was the embarrassment

495
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:56,559
of riches going into that museum. You're just in there's like,

496
00:25:56,759 --> 00:25:59,039
how many things do they steal for God's sake? There's

497
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,039
so many artifacts that they still from around the world.

498
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:03,440
And let's not even talk about what's in the de

499
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,839
vaults of the Vatican. Can you imagine the kind of

500
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:07,079
texts and.

501
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: Their atrocities are not that old Because during World War

502
00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:11,599
Two a.

503
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Speaker 1: Couple of years ago, apparently isn't it a couple of

504
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:15,759
years ago the church a couple of things.

505
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Speaker 2: Well, even though World War Two the Pope supported Hitler well,

506
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,240
of course, and so did several of the cardinals. Right,

507
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,319
It's like, and they're they're they're a little bit behind

508
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:28,039
the times, you know. In nineteen eighty six was a

509
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:32,559
great year. Ferris Bueller's Day Off came off. Obviously, big

510
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,000
trouble in Little China came out.

511
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 4: It was also thereas it was earlier.

512
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's also the year that the Catholic Church

513
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,799
for gave Galileo for the Earth not being flat.

514
00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 4: I think they're a little behind the times.

515
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: I mean they the damage that that organization has done

516
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:05,200
is mind boggling. The amount of it's mind boggling. And yeah,

517
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,519
they do good, of course, they do help the poor

518
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:10,359
and stuff like that. But it's overall, like when I

519
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,279
was in when I you want to talk about behind

520
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:16,920
the times, my wife couldn't walk into certain churches without

521
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,359
covering her shoulders with a shawl. They were handing out

522
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,359
paper shawls, paper paper shawls, so when you walk in,

523
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,359
the shoulders weren't It was one hundred and ten, by

524
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,039
the way, and in the middle of June or July

525
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,400
when we went and she couldn't walk in, and also

526
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,079
if she had shorts on, she had to cover up

527
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,960
the legs and would make this kind of like paper

528
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:43,640
dress to walk in. And I'm like, how this is

529
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,759
so barbaric. I can't believe this is still a thing.

530
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:55,279
Speaker 4: It's very Saint Paul. It's very Saint Paul. Saint Paul

531
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:56,640
who never met.

532
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,079
Speaker 2: You, Jesus in life, you know. And I say, well,

533
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:02,079
you see me, see we change Jesus and Jeshua. It's

534
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,599
what I'm thinking religion. I think Jesus when I think Jeshua,

535
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,359
I think the guy I knew, right, So he said,

536
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,759
you'll hear me interchange it like that.

537
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 4: He was.

538
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: He was a Pharisee and you read his stuff and

539
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,440
everything he wrote was Parisayic called teachings, you know, the

540
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,720
subjugation of women, women weren't allowed to pray in the

541
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,480
same building, all, you know, all kinds of things.

542
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:26,279
Speaker 4: But he also believed that.

543
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: The Second Coming was having it in his lifetime, and

544
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,480
that he thought everybody should be celibate.

545
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,279
Speaker 4: And so, I mean, so he.

546
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: Had this just he's a little off, a little off.

547
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,839
Speaker 4: A little messed up a.

548
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:40,759
Speaker 1: Little intense, as they say, as the kids say, a

549
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:46,240
little intense. Yeah, it's it's fascinating the more I dig

550
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:51,440
into Joshua and his teachings, uh, and find out about

551
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,480
the Gnostics and the rob Robicus and Crustians, the Robekutians,

552
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,640
ros Rosicrucians, I just kind of discovered who they were

553
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,640
going into my resource, like what is happening here? And

554
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:12,279
and and going down these different roads of alternative history,

555
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:16,759
which is not made up history, just different points of

556
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:18,440
view from in a large.

557
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: Part of it made up history, a large part of it.

558
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well history in general is made up, and

559
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:25,720
a lot of a lot of it is made up

560
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:32,319
without question. But also going into areas where there the

561
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,319
people that you listen to about Joshua had no fight,

562
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,319
and I had no bone to pick, had no dog

563
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,880
in the fight. India, for for instance, you start going

564
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,279
down the down those roads and Jesus or Jessua is

565
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:51,400
renowned in India, like he's up there with the greatest

566
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,640
yogis of all time. And they thought, oh he was

567
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,279
a great yogi.

568
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,079
Speaker 4: And in Islam as well, yes.

569
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:03,319
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. Will be right back after a word from

570
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:11,359
our sponsor and now back to the show. So my

571
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,839
question to you, and I don't know if we've ever

572
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,160
spoken about this, but I always consider Joshua a yogi.

573
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,000
He is a grand yogi in the sense of what

574
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,599
he was doing. Because the more of these stories you

575
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,440
hear about the miracles he performed, I'm like, well, they

576
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,880
all sound very yogic in nature, you know again, walking

577
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,519
across water, manifestation of you know, turning water into wine,

578
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:43,039
all this kind of stuff. This is high end, enlightened yogi,

579
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:49,599
ascended master one oh one. What your understanding of his

580
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,640
abilities and why he used I mean, I can imagine,

581
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,759
look if he did something. If someone showed up today

582
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:01,759
and did what Jeshua did back then, same stuff. First

583
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:04,880
of all, everyone would think it's visual effects. It's obviously foolery.

584
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,079
It doesn't make any sense because we have a little

585
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:10,440
bit more educated eye. But it would be very difficult

586
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,119
to prove even in person, because there's so many magicians

587
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:17,839
doing crazy stuffy But back then, it literally must have

588
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,680
been you're a god, because you're absolutely you are an

589
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,720
absolute god. I will follow you to the ends of

590
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:27,480
the earth. Because humanity's consciousness was so low when Jeshua

591
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:30,279
showed up, which is job to try to lift everybody up.

592
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,680
What are your what is your take about the yogic

593
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,720
hours specifically and him being a yogi.

594
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: It's a very interesting thing. I think he's I think

595
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,319
he did a lot of studies in India. But I

596
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:48,519
also think eventually, every every ascended avatar that's been out there, Buddha, Krishna,

597
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,240
all of them, I think eventually what happens is they

598
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,200
they they surpassed their.

599
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:55,799
Speaker 4: Their methodility and their technique.

600
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:56,359
Speaker 1: Right.

601
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: Yes, And what would Joshua kept saying was greater works

602
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,440
than I've done, you will do. It's your faith that

603
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,279
heals you. You can ask a mountain to move, it'll move.

604
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:08,559
Nothing's impossible for you. Whatever you asking, God's name is

605
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:11,079
granted if you have faith. Kept saying all these very

606
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:14,920
empowering things. And I want to share a story. I

607
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:19,039
was my first big, real spiritual quote unquote light show

608
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,880
experience was defined to me as a Kundlin rising. I

609
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,400
may have told this on one of the interviews I

610
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,559
did where I was lying in a tent freezing my

611
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:28,519
butt off, and I started doing.

612
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:31,279
Speaker 1: I do a lot of interviews. I don't remember.

613
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 4: Please O sure, I'm sure I don't expect you to know.

614
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: I try to remember all of them, but the.

615
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 4: Way I just don't want to repeat for your audience. Alex,

616
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,440
I know you don't care. I'm kidding. I'm getting, I'm kidding,

617
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:40,839
I'm getting.

618
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,599
Speaker 1: Please please please help the story real quick.

619
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:43,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was.

620
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,799
Speaker 2: I was in a tan to New Orleans, freezing my

621
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,519
butt off. Had a medieval fair and the week before

622
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:50,920
I went, I saw this thing on sixty minutes and

623
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,559
said that these Buddhist monks want to a freezer, and

624
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:57,799
they put wet towels on them and they heated their

625
00:32:57,839 --> 00:32:59,720
bodies up in the freezer. When they came out, they

626
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,240
were not D eight point six and the towels for

627
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,960
one hundred and twenty right. And so I'm lying in

628
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,319
this tent freezing. I was not in this spirituality hardly

629
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:10,759
at all. I had already become an agnostic at that point,

630
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,960
and I'm like, well, if they can do it, so

631
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:16,119
can I. And I started focusing on my feet and

632
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,599
getting warm, and my feet got warm, and I slowly

633
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:22,319
started saying, okay, I'm bringing it up my shins, I'm

634
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,400
bringing up to my knees. And I slowly brought this

635
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,359
heat up my body. I could feel it happening.

636
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 4: It was amazing.

637
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,759
Speaker 2: Came although in my chest it wouldn't go any higher.

638
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,119
And then I'm like, nope, try to force it together right.

639
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,880
And I hear this thought come into my head that says,

640
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,920
relax into it, and I exhale and Mike, I went

641
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:49,119
full out into this pure white expanse, feeling one with everything,

642
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,240
feeling pure love, energy, no fear, no anxiety, just a

643
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:54,480
full connection to everything.

644
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:55,559
Speaker 4: It was incredible.

645
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: So next day I'm talking to the guy that I

646
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,480
do a comedy show with it back then, and I

647
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:02,960
was trying to I said, you know, I've never had

648
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,119
anything like this happened before, you know, And I explained

649
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,400
to what Happy says, Oh my god, you had a

650
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,079
clendliniey rising. I've been trying to have one of those

651
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:16,280
for years. Now here's the difference. For years he had

652
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,000
been practicing TM, trying to use the technique to have

653
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:22,360
a cundliney rising for me. I just said, I am

654
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,360
warming my body up. I was present moment, I was fearless,

655
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,280
and I was not using any tique technique at all.

656
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,360
And I think that Jeshua Buddha Krishna I think all

657
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,000
of them surpassed. The word mastery is a fascinating thing

658
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:40,679
because it's a misnomer because of the fact that mastery

659
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,519
implies that you've learned everything in one discipline and you're

660
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:47,920
the best at it, right, But all disciplines expand and grow,

661
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,679
and so unless you become a full master and then

662
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,880
you start to experiment and improvise and start doing more stuff,

663
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,480
then you're no longer the master because somebody's going to

664
00:34:57,519 --> 00:34:58,719
come up and learn everything you know, and then they're

665
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,159
going to experiment and they're going to add more or

666
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:03,719
to the to the to the technique. Right what I

667
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,840
found for me personally, and I don't know if you're

668
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,760
a numbers guy, alex is four forty four.

669
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 4: Right now, So just for there.

670
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 2: What I think all of the big avatars do is

671
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,639
they is they come to a place of doing all

672
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:22,719
this study, learning all this stuff, but then they strip

673
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,239
it all away and just come back to their oneness,

674
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,880
their non duality and realizing that their beliefs are creative.

675
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:30,800
You know, what do you think you become? You create

676
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,880
your world as a man thinking, so is he? And

677
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,639
I think that they actually surpass it. But yeah, did

678
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:37,199
they learn it.

679
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 4: Sure.

680
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: Do I think he learned it in India? Absolutely? Do

681
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,679
I think he probably went to high levels. Absolutely do

682
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,599
I think he eventually got to the point where he said, look,

683
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,159
it's it's much simpler than it has to be.

684
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 4: I don't. You don't have to go through all of

685
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:48,760
this stuff to get there.

686
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: And that's what the yogis all say. I mean, at

687
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,320
a certain point, at a certain point, they transcend the technique,

688
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,199
They transcend what they've been taught. It is this starting point,

689
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,239
kind of like even great martial artists at a certain point.

690
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:10,400
It's just like mister Maggie says, don't think, just be,

691
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,639
and you start to wax on, wax off without even thinking.

692
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 4: You go blind.

693
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,599
Speaker 2: Sorry, I had to go to therek mombs Catholic just.

694
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: Threw it up there and you're just gonna knock it

695
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,199
out anyway. So I lost my train of thought. What

696
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,320
was I saying? Oh, yes, being, we're talking deep spiritual

697
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:40,000
concepts here, sir No. So when you transcend the technique,

698
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:43,400
you just be, you go beyond it because you go

699
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,519
to the pure connection of it. You do need It's

700
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:52,760
kind of like you, unless you're a savant, you need

701
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,880
to read to learn about things. But at a certain point,

702
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:04,719
reading books is you're reading other people's perception and biased

703
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,679
about the topic that you're learning about. But when you

704
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:15,199
transcend that correct so you're you're reading those people's opinions

705
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,559
of it and how things are. But when you go

706
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,159
past that and start to tap into the universal knowledge

707
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:26,159
that you find within your meditations, within your own ability,

708
00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:31,719
like you said, I am, then that information is unwaiverable.

709
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:37,199
You can't. You can't. You can argue the Bible or

710
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,760
any religious text to the day you die. You could

711
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,760
argue it, you can point poke holes in it. But

712
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,440
when you understand it at a at a universal level,

713
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,239
it's you can't move.

714
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: No.

715
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: One tols Yeshua, what what is this? God? Think? What

716
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,840
are you talking about? I could do what you do?

717
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,199
You're God, I'm a shepherd. What do you talking about?

718
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 4: And you know what his response was, y are God's.

719
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: Right, which which by the way, is heresy. Yep, which

720
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is heresy by the church that apparently be founded, which

721
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,519
he did not. It's it's it is such the deeper

722
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:22,480
you go down that road, as far as looking into

723
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:26,440
these religious texts, these stories, you start to see the

724
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,960
contradictions you start.

725
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: You want to see the most the most fascinating channel

726
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,760
on YouTube right now, in my opinion.

727
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:32,679
Speaker 4: Is that's mine.

728
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: Of course besides or of course, followed closely by Mind,

729
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,159
followed closely by Mind. Dan McClellan, Dan McClellan, I love

730
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,239
watching Dan McClellan.

731
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 4: You know who that is?

732
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:46,599
Speaker 1: I don't.

733
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: Dan is a more is a Bible scholar, and he's

734
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:51,519
interestingly enough, he's a Mormon.

735
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:53,199
Speaker 4: You you would love to have him on your show.

736
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: Very intelligent man, but his whole channel is about debunking

737
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,719
Bible myth and he he speaks ancient Aramaic, he speaks,

738
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:02,960
takes in Hebrew, he speaks.

739
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: I've seen him, I've seen flashed by my feed.

740
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 4: He is.

741
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: He is brilliant because he never lets his Mormonism and

742
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,440
his scholarly work cross. It's always about the scholarly work.

743
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,280
And just hear him say Genesis one Genesis two. We

744
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,440
know they're from two separate texts, and we know they're

745
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,320
in the wrong order, right, so so he like he

746
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,760
literally goes, this is what all the scholars believe. And

747
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,840
he the the modern evangelists who are evangelists who are

748
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,880
saying you know that you know it's a sin to

749
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,880
be homosexual and quote these Bible passages.

750
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 4: He says, that's not what it says at all.

751
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: And he goes and he breaks it down from not

752
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:52,079
only the semantic version of the words and the entimolti

753
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,000
of the words, but he also breaks it down to

754
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,719
the social structure of the time. And so it's I mean,

755
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,760
it's he has he has verified I had more stuff

756
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,840
of my beliefs than probably anybody else on YouTube, just

757
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,480
because of the fact that he's bringing me actual data.

758
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,679
And that's so clear and fascinating.

759
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:17,079
Speaker 1: That's that's that's amazing, it really is. We'll be right

760
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:23,360
back after a word from our sponsor, and now back

761
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:29,559
to the show. The concept of reincarnation was x maye

762
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,280
from the Bible. Uh. Though it was there originally, from

763
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:34,559
what I.

764
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 4: Understand, it was still there in little ways. You just

765
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,760
have to look for it.

766
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: Between the lines. You got to look for it between

767
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,840
the lines. But that concept of reincarnation, uh, which has

768
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,400
been around and is believed. But I would imagine the

769
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,480
majority of the planet I believe.

770
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 4: In a lot of a lot of the spiritual traditions.

771
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, even even ancient Judaism has has reincarnated.

772
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then also I think if you go back

773
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,960
into the Sumers and Bamalonians and they have concepts of

774
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,440
reincarnation as well, what is your take on Jesus's point

775
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,320
of view on reincarnation and suffering and why we have

776
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,400
to suffer and all of that stuff.

777
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 4: I love that. I love that question. I love I

778
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,000
love that question.

779
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: Uh.

780
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 2: First of all, pull a Bible quote out. Joshua says,

781
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,760
to the disciples, who do they say that I am?

782
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,840
The disciples say, some say you're Elijah or some other

783
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,280
prophet returned. He says, no, I tell you he has

784
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,800
come already and you have shunned him, referring to John

785
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,440
the Baptist. So he literally is saying that Elijah and

786
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,000
the prophets can return and be somebody else. He's literally

787
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:46,800
saying that that Elijah returned and was John the Baptist.

788
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,440
So that is a direct correlation of reincarnation in the Bible.

789
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,239
I believe he I believe he taught it. But the

790
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,920
thing about reincarnation for me personally is, you know, I

791
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,679
was never a believer when I was a Catholic, and

792
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,519
then yeah, harasy right nineteen psychics come and tell me

793
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,639
that I was had this past life.

794
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:08,159
Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, no, no, I don't want to

795
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:09,119
be that guy. I don't want to be.

796
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Hell. I don't want

797
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,679
to go Yeah, I.

798
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 2: Don't want to I don't want to be the guy

799
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,960
who thinks he's Napoleon either, you know. So you know

800
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:18,599
because there's a big stigma to the guy who says

801
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:25,559
the Apostle reincarnated. But after my regression, there was no

802
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:28,239
way I could I could deny that I had those memories.

803
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,320
They're so visceral. Have you ever heard my regression? It's

804
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,280
it's just it's gut wrenching. You hear me screaming at

805
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,320
the foot of the cross. It's it's crazy. But I've

806
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,360
met multiple people who think they're John. I've met multiple Peters,

807
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,719
I've met multiple Paul's. I've bet over thirty ladies who

808
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:49,159
think they're Marry Magdalene. I mean, yeah, I mean to me,

809
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,159
it would be it would be completely hypocritical of me

810
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:55,880
to say they're wrong, right, that they're that they're lying

811
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:56,320
or something.

812
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 4: How could I say that. It's not possible for me

813
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:59,280
to say that.

814
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,639
Speaker 2: So I don't think we fully understand what reincarnation is

815
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,840
I think that that maybe we're all just tapping into

816
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,000
the wonderess of God, and we're tapping into these various

817
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,320
memories of these wondness of God in the wondness of God,

818
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,400
and or maybe there is a singular reincarnation like that.

819
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,400
But I think there is something, because you wouldn't have

820
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,760
found it in so many spiritual traditions if there wasn't something.

821
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 4: There some proof of it. And that's my take on it.

822
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I always said, well, that makes a lot

823
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,400
more sense than you got one life and that's it. Yeah,

824
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,519
Oh you were born. You were born a dude, a

825
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:41,960
Caucasian descent in America. Man, you win the lottery, brother, Yeah,

826
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,480
I mean you won the lottery.

827
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 4: Amen. Amen.

828
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,559
Speaker 1: I am a Cuban man, a Latino man born in America. Uh.

829
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,440
And I could have easily been born in Cuba if

830
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,920
it wasn't for that little Fidel dude.

831
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 4: You know.

832
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:03,039
Speaker 1: So I was I a bigger one, but but I

833
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:06,400
was so I also won the lottery. So I'm like, okay, well,

834
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,199
then those the people who were born in Kenya who

835
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,559
can't eat or die after a week or two, is

836
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:17,519
that that? That's it? That's the one and done, like

837
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:20,000
you know, or I would I died at birth or

838
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,639
since you know, two days after I was born, or

839
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,880
you know, there's so many or I have a disease

840
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,639
for my entire life, or I have a disabled disability

841
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,719
for my entire life, or I'm blind. I'm like, is

842
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,039
this that's it? That doesn't seem it just didn't make

843
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:37,119
any sense to me.

844
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 4: That didn't seem fair to me either, Right, it.

845
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:42,039
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem fair. And you could say, oh, it's just

846
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:44,239
you know, it's the way that the cards, the way

847
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,719
the cookie crumbles. You know, I think this is all

848
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,039
so divinely perfect.

849
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 4: Everything well, and that's what that's what Einstein said.

850
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: He says he said when he got down to the

851
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,119
bottom of all of the studies of atoms and everything,

852
00:44:57,639 --> 00:44:59,599
he says it was too organized, not for the be

853
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:03,119
some other consciousness, greater conscious is involved. He believed in

854
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:06,639
the godless binosa, which is a greater consciousness as opposed

855
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,360
to a white guy with a beard on a cloud. Right,

856
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:13,599
So he believed in a greater consciousness. And when you

857
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:16,079
look at it, it is it is divinely organized.

858
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: You know, there's so many things that can happen but

859
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,320
it's also when.

860
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: You look at all the all the ancient texts, you know,

861
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,320
what you think, you become, you create your world. There's

862
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,000
also the correlation not only of reincarnation and all those things,

863
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,239
but there's also this correlation of free will.

864
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:33,199
Speaker 4: We all, we all have ability.

865
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: In this life to you know, so many people will

866
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,559
think they're reincarnated into this life because they have to

867
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:41,599
fulfill something from a past life or something in a

868
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:45,920
future life, or and I think I think probably we

869
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,800
on the other side, we probably choose a potential life

870
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,320
to play with and we come down here and we

871
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,599
have complete free will to use it as we want.

872
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,039
And I think that that's kind of although you know,

873
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,280
some things in my life have happened, have been really

874
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,639
where you want to hear a really weird reincarnation story.

875
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,719
So in the Bible, there's this in the Book of John.

876
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,119
Towards the end, it's Peter points at John and says,

877
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:14,320
what of him? And Joshua says, if I'm he says,

878
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,599
I'm talking of you, you know, if I want him

879
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:18,519
to stay until I come, what's that to you? I'm

880
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,840
talking to you? And in the book it says from

881
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,559
that point on they thought John would never die, right,

882
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,440
And now I'm reading this guy, well, I, well, I

883
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,880
definitely was born, so I obviously died, right. And then

884
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,960
I started thinking about the reincarnation cycle, and I started thinking, well,

885
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,000
what if what if for some reason the consciousness of

886
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:43,679
John never stayed on the other side and just was like,

887
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,719
would pass it instantly reincarnate?

888
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:46,559
Speaker 4: Right?

889
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,199
Speaker 2: So I started looking at this and I'm like, Okay,

890
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,320
is there all this proof? And I don't know, like whatever,

891
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,000
I just kind of blew it off. Then I started

892
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,719
thinking about writing a book about my life. And I

893
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,000
started and I started researching a title. The title was

894
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:03,760
I John. I Comma John. Found out there was a

895
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,519
book in nineteen eighty something about it was the interpretation

896
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:09,440
of the Book of John. Then I found this vintage book,

897
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,320
I John, if.

898
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:16,639
Speaker 4: You can see that?

899
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: Or right, yeah John, Yeah, yeah yeah.

900
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,599
Speaker 4: I start reading this book.

901
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: It's about a guy who lives lived in New Jersey,

902
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:26,800
right across the bay from where I grew up.

903
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: His name was John.

904
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,039
Speaker 2: He remembered the past life is John in the Beloved Apostle.

905
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,719
He eventually moved to Ohio and he died just before

906
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:41,360
I was born. Now I lived in Ohio, in Delaware,

907
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,719
right across from New Jersey. I'm now sitting in Ohio.

908
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,119
And he was also in the entertainment industry, as was I.

909
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,280
So it's really kind of interesting, right, So I'm looking

910
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,000
at them. So is that proof of this? I have

911
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:59,599
no clue, but I just find it really interesting. Edgar

912
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:02,079
Case in nineteen thirty eight said John the Beloved would

913
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:06,400
again be named John. So my question is, has John

914
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:11,320
been reincarnating? Is someone named John over and over again?

915
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,800
Am I just one aspect of that?

916
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,199
Speaker 4: John?

917
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:15,679
Speaker 2: I asked my mom one time, why shed name me John?

918
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,199
She says, I have no idea. She had no clue

919
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:20,320
why she named me John.

920
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:27,599
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So you said so good good.

921
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: No, you said something really interesting in regards to when

922
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,400
you reincarnate, that you come down here and you have

923
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,599
free will to do whatever you want. My understanding is

924
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,719
the same with a caveat, is that there is a

925
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,320
soul plan based on the other side, Like I'm going

926
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,679
to be born to these parents who are going to

927
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,559
give me these kind of this kind of experience, and

928
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,599
there's going to be mile markers along my life that

929
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:53,199
have to happen. Now, how you get from these mile

930
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,360
markers is completely up to you. But you're going to

931
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,199
marry this person, You're going to do You're going to

932
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,400
be in the entertainment business. You know, these are giant

933
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,239
things that are what you signed up for. Now, how

934
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,039
you get there, what you do when you get there,

935
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,840
that's all up to you. But you plan these giants

936
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,800
because there are these mild markers that go throughout your life.

937
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,840
Then you go and go, oh, okay, well I needed

938
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,559
to have that job at the video store, because if

939
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:21,199
I didn't have that job in the video store, I

940
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,639
would have never had the idea to become a filmmaker

941
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,559
in a time when that was insane. It's the equivalent

942
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:31,719
of working Renaissance fails or working at a carnival. It

943
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,159
literally ran away with the circus. So, but that had

944
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:38,960
to happen. If I didn't, if that wouldn't have happened,

945
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,599
would I have jumped into the film business or just

946
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,760
been a fan like I don't know. If my grandfather

947
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,159
wouldn't have had his house broken into We'll be right

948
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:56,440
back after a word from our sponsor, and now back

949
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:02,599
to the show, and he in an insurance claim, got

950
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:06,239
a camera, and he gave me that camera. If I

951
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,599
would have never gotten that vide because cameras weren't available

952
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,519
really during my time. It's easily so these are things

953
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:16,679
there's like, these are things that but now, I could

954
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,320
have made that camera and gone, you know what, I'm

955
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,360
gonna make poorn. I could have gone down road.

956
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,639
Speaker 2: And I want you had a choice, that you had

957
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:25,000
a choice at every moment, every every every moment.

958
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:26,559
Speaker 1: But I decided to do what I'm doing, you know,

959
00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:30,840
And I like, oh, podcasting, that sounds interesting. You know.

960
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:33,320
There's little things that pop along the path.

961
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: Where I think we part company in this idea. Is

962
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,519
I agree that we probably that we choose a potential life.

963
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:42,679
We look at a life where we say, okay, that's

964
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,320
the one that I'm going to go down, because we

965
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,960
always have choice. Sure, so we're on the other side,

966
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,280
we still have choice. We're choosing which which path to

967
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,880
go down. I just don't think it's faded or destined

968
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,559
that these milestones are going to happen. I think that

969
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:58,639
their potential will be come in. But I think we

970
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,000
still we always have choice.

971
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,079
Speaker 1: So I agree with you on that. And when I

972
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:05,400
say that there's a mile markers, these are mile markers

973
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,679
that you put down and you are right. You have

974
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,920
the choice to sway off the road that you predet

975
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,840
and from what I understand, when you go off that

976
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:23,119
road far enough, things just keep getting You're literally going

977
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:26,400
off the paved road, so you're getting onto rocks and

978
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,760
to gain. So the basically life or the universe starts

979
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,280
making things so difficult that it eventually pushes you again

980
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,000
free will Oh you want to you want to keep

981
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,119
doing this? This is you signed up for this, and

982
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:43,320
it will start to slowly either push you back in

983
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,159
the way or then this is when your death experience

984
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:48,159
has happened, where someone's gone so far off that they

985
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,519
like this guy, this lass. They're not listening. Let's kill them.

986
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,679
Bring them up. Okay, listen, man, you're supposed to be

987
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,119
doing this. You signed up for this. Do you want

988
00:51:57,119 --> 00:51:58,960
to stay or do you want to go back? That

989
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:01,519
kind of thing? So I agree with you. I think

990
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,119
we're we're not too far off.

991
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 4: It could totally be.

992
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,639
Speaker 2: It could totally be because my my the first outer

993
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,719
body well not well cross crossing over experience I had

994
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,039
was a really weird one because it happened in my

995
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:16,760
past life progression when Joshua touched my chest.

996
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,559
Speaker 4: I crossed over in the regression.

997
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 2: The second one I have been I haven't gotten really

998
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,000
good at getting out of body. And then I was

999
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,719
doing actual travel and one night I was going, Okay,

1000
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,320
I'm going to actual travel tonight, and I bypassed the

1001
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,280
physical plane and crossed all the way over, and.

1002
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 4: I'm standing here and this guy's standing there. He's looking

1003
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,280
at me. He's looking at me like a like a child.

1004
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just like this compassion for this

1005
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,039
lovely little child in front of them, And he says,

1006
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:43,400
you're not supposed.

1007
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 4: To be here yet. And two girls come around and

1008
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,599
tickle me back into my physical body.

1009
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: Right, that's amazing. It was.

1010
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: It was an amazing story. But the concept of you're

1011
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:57,519
not supposed to be here yet is an interesting topic

1012
00:52:57,639 --> 00:52:59,559
because what do you mean supposed.

1013
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,559
Speaker 1: To well, because it's not your time, you'd like you

1014
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:05,480
signed up for this experience. You're supposed to be in

1015
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:07,679
the game right now. You're supposed to be in the simulation.

1016
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,039
You're not done yet, the ride's not over yet. You're

1017
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:13,360
you have an outpoint, and this is not the outpoint.

1018
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,880
We all have an expiration date. That's part of the

1019
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,440
the you know, we all have that at a certain point.

1020
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:23,599
And that's the one thing we can't choose. We can't

1021
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:27,119
choose when we technically when we come in unless you

1022
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,960
I mean, if you are on the other end, but

1023
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:33,320
you really, while you're here, you can't really choose unless

1024
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,440
you commit suicide or something along those lines. You really

1025
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,280
can't choose when you leave. Really, I mean, it's it's

1026
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,159
very it's a very interesting that is the one rule

1027
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:47,599
there is no because if you have free choice, you're like, ah,

1028
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,199
maybe I want to live another hundred years. That's free choice, right.

1029
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,119
But let me tell you that.

1030
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, let me tell you a story

1031
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,960
about my ex wife's grandmother that I mean.

1032
00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 4: Her name was Funny made Joseph.

1033
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: She was from Syria, and she was ninety six years

1034
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:14,199
old and lived alone, took care of her house every day, and.

1035
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 4: She had very specific rules.

1036
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,559
Speaker 2: Her rules were to Monday till five o'clock, it's workday,

1037
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,960
so you don't turn on the television. You do your

1038
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,599
tour chores all day long. And every morning she would

1039
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:28,119
get up, she would make her cup of coffee, and

1040
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,400
she would make her little cerean bread and she would

1041
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,639
make a list of her chores for the day. She

1042
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:35,159
would pull out her VCR tape because she was still

1043
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:40,880
using them, and record her one soap opera so that

1044
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,880
she could watch it at five o'clock when the workday

1045
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,320
was done. Right, one day, I said to her, I said,

1046
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:46,800
we caught her.

1047
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:47,159
Speaker 4: Graham.

1048
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: I said, Graham, what's the secret to long life? She said,

1049
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:55,559
if I stop, I'll die right. If I stop, I'll

1050
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:59,840
die right. The last year of her life, her choice

1051
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:04,039
be came. Prepare the house for the kids. Who wants

1052
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:08,199
what Let's make sure all the paperwork's done. And she did,

1053
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,239
did everything she had to do, and then she moved

1054
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:12,800
out and died.

1055
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: She knew she she she had a feeling that it

1056
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:17,039
was time to go.

1057
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, my father a year before he died, told me

1058
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,519
I'm not going to make it the next Christmas.

1059
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:22,039
Speaker 4: And he didn't.

1060
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:25,679
Speaker 1: But that's the thing is too, Like I understand what

1061
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:28,719
you're saying, and you're absolutely right. You do sometimes have

1062
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,679
a choice. You know when it's coming. I don't know

1063
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:34,400
if that's a choice or not, but they know it's coming,

1064
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:36,480
and there's an instinct to it, like you know, like

1065
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:39,599
I'm i gotta I gotta get my paperwork in order,

1066
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,360
I gotta get everything done. If there's a there's an

1067
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,119
I know it's coming, but I'm not sure they chose

1068
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:49,480
it is the question did Nana choose that time? Did

1069
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:53,079
my grandparents choose the time that they left I to shoot?

1070
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:56,039
My grandpa was trying to buy an apartment to rent

1071
00:55:56,079 --> 00:56:00,559
it too, as if it was up to him, he'd

1072
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:02,400
still be here, you know what I see?

1073
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:08,599
Speaker 2: And I think that I think that we sometimes pass

1074
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,440
because of our beliefs about certain things.

1075
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 4: Like my mother, she was, she was.

1076
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: Very old, and she she she had broken her back.

1077
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,320
She's living in Florida alone, and she was like she

1078
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,559
didn't she did not want to move north. And it

1079
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:24,400
got to the point where like we couldn't go down

1080
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,519
there and be with her because we all had work

1081
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,840
up here, or we couldn't leave behind. So it got

1082
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,559
to the point where we finally said, Mom, we're gonna

1083
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:34,119
have to bring you north, and Mom says, I don't.

1084
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:35,119
Speaker 4: I don't want to go north.

1085
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: And Mom spent the next six months prepping the house,

1086
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,280
making sure all the stuff was done, getting it all done,

1087
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:44,519
and she died the day, like a week or so

1088
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:47,480
before she was supposed to come north. So I think

1089
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:50,440
that sometimes I don't think I was necessarily chosen that way,

1090
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,800
but I think that I think that it was her

1091
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,760
belief was creating that end.

1092
00:56:56,079 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: Oh no, no question, Yeah, I mean there is. We're

1093
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,360
getting into some gray area here without question because you

1094
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,320
and I, neither of you or I have the answer

1095
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:05,639
to this.

1096
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 4: Neither one of us has the answer. None of us

1097
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:08,920
have the answer because we're here.

1098
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,079
Speaker 1: Exactly the case by case, but the case by case

1099
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,239
basis on these things. Well, I mean, you listened to

1100
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,920
the way Yogananda died Yogananda Yogananda. For if you're watching this,

1101
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,280
you probably heard me say that word Yogananda or Paramansa

1102
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,760
Yogananda one point or another. But Yogananda said to his disciple,

1103
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,639
his disciple there at the time, I'm gonna leave you tonight.

1104
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:32,960
And They're like, what are you talking about, Guru, And

1105
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,199
I'm like, no, no, tonight will be the I'm leaving.

1106
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,239
And he got up on stage. He was at this

1107
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,280
event with a bunch of people. He got up on stage,

1108
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,800
said his thing, and right before he said his last word,

1109
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:45,800
right after he said his last word, he just dropped

1110
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:49,119
and it was done. And there was supposedly a heart attack,

1111
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:52,599
but he was done. But which really fascinating about him,

1112
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:57,840
among many things, is that he never A lot of

1113
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:03,559
things were very fascinating about him. He didn't decay. His

1114
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,679
body looked as fresh as the day he was alive,

1115
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,159
and he was out of body, out of his soul

1116
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:16,400
had left his body, his body had sat there for

1117
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:22,159
five days for people to come. Never decayed. Even when

1118
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:25,400
he was going into the ground, his skin was still

1119
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,719
soft to the touch. There was no rigormortis, none of that.

1120
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,119
And that's all documented. That only happened, you know, seventy

1121
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:37,000
years ago or something like that. So it's it's you see,

1122
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,480
these are the kind of stories you hear. You're just

1123
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:43,840
like wow, just well, I mean, John, you and I

1124
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,559
I think we devoted our lives to try to figure

1125
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:50,280
out this game that we're all in. And you know,

1126
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,519
I I am. I do this show that I do

1127
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:55,920
because I really want to try to connect the puzzles

1128
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,000
pieces together, from all the puzzle pieces, from all walks

1129
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:02,159
of life, not just the one part, not just the

1130
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:05,599
Christian puzzle piece, or this philosophy or this thing, you know,

1131
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:11,000
just exact. Jeshua is one piece of that puzzle. Yoga

1132
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:14,159
Nanda is another. Baba is another. Uh, and you can

1133
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:23,159
just keep going through all Moham Zoroastrian. He's another like,

1134
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:25,800
there's so many Confucius, and I mean, we can keep

1135
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,679
going and going. But all of them had a piece

1136
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:33,039
of the puzzle, and they all saw the elephant from

1137
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:36,159
a different point of view. So they all I'm trying

1138
00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:37,760
to p see the entire elephant and not just the

1139
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,440
pieces that right right, that old, that old problem.

1140
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: I think I think the only way you do that

1141
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:45,000
is to step back and look at it all.

1142
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:49,599
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1143
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:54,480
and now back to the show.

1144
00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: And and I think I think that people get too

1145
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,559
trapped into one religion. And God is too big and

1146
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:05,840
beautiful to be encompassed in one religion. God, universe, consciousness,

1147
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,920
shada YadA, the bigger picture.

1148
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,639
Speaker 4: You know, what are you want to call it?

1149
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:11,199
Speaker 2: I think it's all too big and beautiful to be

1150
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,119
encompassed by anyone school of flood of religion. That's why

1151
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:16,840
I think I love I love your channel because what

1152
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,199
your channel does is you bring people one who don't

1153
01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:23,639
necessarily agree with you or but you find truth in

1154
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:27,559
all of them because we all have bits and pieces

1155
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:30,559
and parts and you bring that truth to the audience

1156
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:32,119
for people to say, well, yeah, that's the part that

1157
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:34,199
I agree with. I tell people on my channel all

1158
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:36,679
the time. I said, all I'm doing on my channel

1159
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,119
is speaking my truth. And if it rings true to you, great,

1160
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:41,840
try it out. If it doesn't work, get rid of it,

1161
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:45,159
you know, and you know, find your own truth. My mom,

1162
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:49,199
this beautiful woman up behind me, who were here, she said,

1163
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,719
spirituality is a personal journey. And I think we're all

1164
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,559
on a personal journey. And I think that I can

1165
01:00:56,639 --> 01:01:00,159
respect anybody's journey unless they're causing fear or harm to

1166
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:03,440
somebody else. That I can't respect that because I think

1167
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:06,199
God is love and I think that use the same way.

1168
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:07,679
And I think that, And I love the fact that

1169
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:09,800
your channel does that though brings on so many different

1170
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:10,599
kinds of thought.

1171
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: I I I appreciate that because and I try to

1172
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,079
do it with an open heart. I never have an agenda,

1173
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:21,039
never judge whether I agree with it or don't. I

1174
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:27,400
I I always find the seeds in what people say

1175
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:30,519
that that work. It's like, oh, that puzzle piece look good.

1176
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And I met and I also talk about ancient civilizations

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and lost history and quantum physics, you know. I had

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a rocket scientist on the other day, like, it's these

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all these perspectives and little bits of that they're all connected.

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And that's what people don't understand. Everything is connected.

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Speaker 2: Quantum fact you have if you have yet, I have

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someone from Nordic science that that is a fascinating science

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because or Mitchell started that he was in Apollo astronaut.

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He had a transcendental experience coming back into the atmosphere

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and spent the rest of his life trying to bridge

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the gap between science and spirituality. And some of the

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stuff that they have discovered in their studies has been fascinating.

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So you should look into the neuetic science, and your

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audience should as well, because it really does start to

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show you so many correlations between us all. I was

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doing a private reading for somebody and I had a

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line come out in one of the readings, and the

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lady said that it was a line from her dead

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husband's book, which I thought was fascinating too. But the

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line was all empirical evidence is found in the illusion

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of beliefs, So science itself was a dogma.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, who knows that?

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Speaker 4: What a great line. Every scientist has a theory that's

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their beliefs, so they see it.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And then when you challenge that belief because

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there's new evidence, right, or a new idea. No, no, no,

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Galileo Earth is not round, go away.

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Speaker 4: Right, five hundred years later, five hundred years later.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're a little behind. Yeah, you know, it's

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pretty fascinating. John. First of all, I want to thank

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you for doing this extra little thing for us and

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for the tribe, and hopefully this conversation helps people just

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open their mind. They got a couple of seeds and

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a couple more pieces of that puzzle that we're all

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trying to put together in this conversation. Where can people

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find out more about you and the work that you're

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doing in the world, brother.

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Speaker 2: Well Johnofnew dot com of course, and on YouTube, John

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of New and I've got over fourteen hundred videos in

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the last two and a half years on that channel,

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so go off and enjoy that. I also have a

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second channel called the Recovering Catholic, so you can check

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that one out as well. But yeah, that's the quickest

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way to get a hold of me. And if you

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want to find out about the sessions I do on

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my web site john v dot com. But they can

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go there and find out more about that.

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Speaker 1: My friend. Uh, you're always a pleasure to talk to,

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my friend, and we've got to get you into the

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studio to do any person.

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Speaker 2: Whatever you need. By Alex or you were, you are

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first on my list always.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, my friend. Thank you for what you

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do and the bravery that you do it with and

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putting this information out into the world. So I appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, and I appreciate you as well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.

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If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll

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