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Now let's dive in to today's episode. I'd like to
welcome John to the app to our to Next Level
Soul TV. Thank you so so much for doing this
this exclusive little Q and A with me, my friend.
Thank you so much for coming here. You are returning champions,
so thank you, sir.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, if Alex calls I come, it's just
what I do. I actually am so grateful to be
back here, Alex. I love hanging out with you. I
think you and I have such of the great, lively
conversations that really kind of awaken people's to their own
to their own fitted tea within.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, my friend, absolutely, And you know, these these
this conversation is going to be a little bit more
loose than we normally have, though we have fairly loose
conversations on.
Speaker 4: This you high. Absolutely, yes, fairly.
Speaker 1: Loose conversations, but this is kind of a little behind
the scenes of you know, just us kind of just
shooting the stuff, as they say, and and answering some
Q and A questions from the audience. So my first
question to you is from the audience. This is an
audience question, and sometimes I'll throw a couple of mine
because I'm gonna ask some questions. And this one's about Jesus.
Was Jesus Christ ever married?
Speaker 2: He absolutely was married. In fact, one of my past
life progressions, he kept referring to his wife as ishti,
which is the ancient Hebrew and Arabic words both for wife.
It was absolutely Mary Magdalene. And I'm actually in the
process right now painting a picture of the two of
them together laughing. So you finally have a laughing Jesus picture.
Speaker 1: Well, what do you mean, because he always looks so
dour in all the listen. That's as far as Jesus
pictures are concerned. That is as happy as I see
him generally speak. So you know, at least he's not
in pain, at least that.
Speaker 4: Well, you know that that painting.
Speaker 2: I painted that three months after my regression, so this
was like straight from memory.
Speaker 4: And about two months later.
Speaker 2: I was at a holistic festival and a woman walks by,
and she stops and she sees the painting. She says, whoever,
whoever painted that saw him on the cross?
Speaker 4: Wow, she says.
Speaker 2: She says, it's in the eyes, whoever painted that saw
him on the cross? And I was and she had
no idea it was me. And then I was standing
there and then my passed lay from memory was looking
up at him on a cross.
Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, so he was. Now did he ever
have any kids?
Speaker 2: That's the question that I get very frequently, and I
during the time that in my regression, he did not
have children. And after the crucifixion, he came Mary Magdalen
came back to Galilee with John, and so did Jeshua's
mother came back with him to Galilee, basically to get
him away from Jerusalem so they'd be safe, and then
she was not pregnant at the time, and eventually her
family came from Magdala and took her back to their home,
play hometown. But I personally don't have any memories past that.
But in India there's a there's a tradition that he
came back to India afterwards after the crucifixion and raised
his children there, And I personally like to think that
that's the truth, because I'd like to think the man
got a happy ending.
Speaker 1: Very Showshank redemption. He's on a beach somewhere. Yeah, as
long as Morgan Freeman is there, everything is perfect. Morgan
was obviously narrating the entire episode that was going.
Speaker 4: On, and he went back to India.
Speaker 1: Where there were penguins for some reason. I'm sorry that
was a throwback to March of the Penguins. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, that was. Oh my god. There's a history
with me and my son with that movie anyway.
Speaker 1: So but what's really interesting about what you said there
is because I've also heard from multiple sources that Jesus
did die in the cross, did get resurrected, but he
he didn't. He came back, not just as a ghost
for three days, but he came back, came back and
just left and went to and went Tod went to India,
is what I heard. And I heard somewhere a lot
of money go ahead.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: One of my memories was after the crucifixion, seeing him again.
I actually it was the first. Was the first memory
I had which cactually came before my regression. I fell
on my face in front of him and I look
up at him. He's laughing at me because I fell
in my face. And that was after the crucifixion back
in Galilee. And that's actually the last memory I have
of him is is on that beach in Galilee after
the crucifixion.
Speaker 4: So I know he came back.
Speaker 2: I just don't know what he did after that, because
I have no other memories of that afterwards.
Speaker 1: Wow. So what I heard from a filmmaker who wrote
a whole did a whole movie on Jesus in India
is that he came back after the resurrection went towards
it went toward India. Halfway through Mary died and she's buried.
This is this is this is not only there's there.
He actually went with a camera and snuck in and
took videos of this. Yeah, it's in this little I
don't knowice if it's a country or a territory that
is always being fought over by India and Pakistan. So
some years Pakistan controls a sometime India controls it. So
when he was there, I think Pakistan was controlling it.
And there's police all around, and there was this burial
area where there's like buildings and other things in a
big antenna. But they don't touch this thing. This area
like they it's kind of like they built around it.
And the lore of the day is that's where Mary
is buried. They buried her along the path back to India.
So and he actually snuck in filmed it, which he's
not supposed to do. He almost I mean, he barely
got out with skinner, but he's there's a film of it.
So those are those are the kind of stories I
heard about India and Jesus afterwards. But even more so
the time period between year thirteen and year thirty thirty.
I think it is when he came back on the
doggy as they say that time. What do you know
of that time? Did he go to Egypt to the
mystery schools, did he go to Tibet? Did he go
to India?
Speaker 4: You're talking from the time he was a child till
he came.
Speaker 1: Back thirteen thirteen to thirty Yes, okay.
Speaker 2: So this is where I am also kind of lost
because my past, I for wgression, was the day that
John met him, right, and I truly believe he was
coming back from India at the time. So I don't
I don't have memories of time when he was in India.
Because John wouldn't have had those memories, right, But so
for me, I don't have that. But I believe that
he was studying elsewhere, and I believe he was coming
back from somewhere with with the knowledge that we didn't
necessarily have there. We were in our area. We were
all you know, Jews, and we were all following the
Hebrew Bible, you know the tour you know, we called
the Hebrew Bible.
Speaker 4: Now the.
Speaker 1: Old Testament is the Old.
Speaker 2: Testament is Old Testament, not light but heavy.
Speaker 1: Very heavy, very yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And so I believe, I absolutely, one hundred percent believe
he was in India. And I believe that, and actually
I believe that's a huge part of the resurrection story
because you can go to India and you can talk
to Gudu's over there who will talk about like coming
to a river and projecting their consciousness to the other side,
manifesting their body and keep walking. And I had a
friend of mine who was years ago, was a professional
I have weird friends because I did Renaissance festivals. He
was a professional sword swallower, and but he had he
was a practicing Hindu. Behind the stage, he had a
whole temple to his guru and all this stuff. And
he swears that he took a friend of his to
India to meet his guru and the guy was just
not interested in spiritual out at all. Was bored the
whole time he was there. And halfway through the trip,
the Guru walks up to him says, why what's going on?
He says, I wish I had my guitar at least
I could play. He was just kind of annoyed about
being there, and go to says, where's your guitar? He says,
it's in San Francisco, And my friend swears to God,
about an hour and a half later, he handed him
his guitar.
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and now back to the show. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: He says, he literally went to San Francisco, got a
guitar and brought it back. And now I look at
this I look at this world from the oneness, from
the non duality perspective. I think that we're all in
an illusion of belief, and I think that we can
project ourselves into it from wherever we are. We know
scientifically that when someone dies, there's anywhere between one hundred
I'm sorry ten times to a thousand times the radiation
amidst from the body at the moment of death. Now
you look at the like the shroud of tourum, whether
you believe it's real or not. What creates a what
creates a negative on fabric? A bright light? So if
if he was able to create that sort of bright
light and change his body in the in the energy
form and come back, you know, is it possible?
Speaker 4: Sure it is? Have I done it? Not yet?
Speaker 1: It's like everyone says, you know, everyone wants to go
to heaven, but just not right now.
Speaker 2: Right There's a lot a lot I talk to that
want to go to heaven right now.
Speaker 1: Yet exactly what most people generally don't want it.
Speaker 4: Most people don't.
Speaker 1: So very one thing I discovered in my research about
I was talking to uh an archaeologist researcher, and we
were going deep into the Bible and the concept of hell,
and I go, where did hell come from? Because I
know Dante Dante really did a number on all of
us when he wrote those books. Because Dante's book is
essentially what is hell? I mean, if you look at
anywhere that is the pitchforks and the turnout that's all Dante.
That has nothing to do with anything else. All that,
all that, all that liquor, fire, all that stuff is Dante.
But I found out that in the Torah there is
no help.
Speaker 2: Hell shield or the place where the dead people go.
But it's not torment, it's not torture.
Speaker 1: Right, They just kind of like it from what I understood,
like if you're good, you go to heaven. If you're
if you're not so good, you just kind of and
you kind of go away. You just get you kind
of just like, eh, you dissipate into this place and
that's the end of it. It's not much, yeah, exactly.
But what I heard was, and maybe you have some
insight on this, is that where the Bible, the the
the Council, and I see I got the idea for
Hell to incorporate it obviously for control factor of you know,
if you don't do this, you have to you know,
you get some sort of consequence to control the population.
But from what I but what I heard was that
Jesus when he was preaching, he would talk about this
junk yard or this place where the garbage would go,
and it was always on fire, and he goes he
would say in his in his in his uh, in
his lectures, if you will, or in his sermons, he
would say that your greed would live there forever, or
you're it was. He was using it as an analogy,
not as a physical place. And it was literally, oh, look,
the garbage jump is on fire all the time. You
got to get yourself right, because if not, you're that
part of you is going to live in that thing forever.
They took that and created this concept of hell in
the in the New test is it new or in
the Bible as it is? Now, what do you know
about that, sir? So?
Speaker 2: In the ancient times, the word that became hell was
Gehenna or Hades, that's the Greek version. Now, what's interesting
about Gehenna was the Valley of Gehenna was an area
where an old Jewish warlord took a bunch of children
and killed them and killed them in very tortuous ways.
And then later on the Valley of Gehenna became the
trash dump on the ouskirts of Jerusalem, and so it
became this torturous place that now has fire burning all
the time.
Speaker 4: And then they'd say, you know, if you're.
Speaker 2: Bad, you're gonna go burn in Gehenna, right, you know
those sort of ideas, right, so we're going to trash you,
you know, so it really is yeah, from the history
of the time. It really comes from Gehenna and from Hades,
and Hades being the Greek version, right. I can remember
our earliest text of the Bible were written in Greek,
not Aramaic, not Hebrew.
Speaker 4: They're written in Greek.
Speaker 2: The first books Matthew, Mark, and Luke all come from
about one hundred years after the crucifixion. And the earliest
text we have is from Paul, who never met Joshua
in life, and his first letter comes from about fifty years.
Speaker 4: After the crucifixion.
Speaker 2: So all of the texts for reading are all from
oral tradition and hearsay that somebody wrote down and then
they most of them wrote them down with a personal agenda.
Speaker 1: And when you have this prole.
Speaker 4: No, can you imagine you imagine.
Speaker 1: It's never never throughout history has hearsay being written down
hundreds of years later. Ever fail us?
Speaker 4: Right, right, you look at the well, you look at
the Old Testament. You know this, this army wiped out
that army.
Speaker 2: So God must have been with them, right, you know,
it's like you know, they say, it's the by the
written by the victors, by the you know, the history
written by the victors.
Speaker 4: So the thing is is that with Hell.
Speaker 2: Once Dante wrote his Inferno, the medieval orders started making
it their their belief, their truth, and it became it
became very much a control feature, right, especially in.
Speaker 4: The Catholic Church, because the Catholic Church.
Speaker 2: Used to use Hell as a means of gaining power
not only over the people, but but financially. You've got
to remember, the first bank, the first banking system came
from the templar knights.
Speaker 4: You know, they were the ones who.
Speaker 2: Were you can give me your money here in Jerusalem,
and you can go to my templar knight friend in
England and he can you can withdraw.
Speaker 4: Your money from him. So you know, so they had this.
Speaker 2: All the financial stuff was coming out of medieval Europe,
which is also fascinating because medieval Europe started creating all
these stories like Mary Magdalen came to France and all
these other stories to make themselves part of the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean they wrote themselves into the movie,
if you.
Speaker 4: Will, right, exactly, And it's the same thing with with Hell.
Speaker 2: You know, the original stories were this this shiol right,
and then as time went on, promoting more fear becomes
very popular.
Speaker 4: It's like the Rapture. You know, the Rapture is not biblical.
Speaker 2: But in eighteen thirty when that, when that was written
by Minister Darby, all the evangelicals were like, wow, that's
a great fear based thing to use. Let's use that,
you know, and they started putting out all of these
Left Behind series and all these things. But it's that
agenda idea again. And it's the same thing with Hell.
Promoting Hell's is a real great way to keep people
in line and in mediable Europe. The last Rights that
the Catholic Mass rights last Rights was designed specifically to
get the person to leave their wealth to the Church
at the end of their life.
Speaker 1: Well it isn't it. This is something I heard again
because when I was at the Vatican it was the
first time I ever came to the conclusion that like
Roman Catholic Church, Oh my god, the Romans did this.
I never put two together in my entire life, never
really connected the Romans with the Roman Catholic Church. Why,
I have no idea, but a lot. Apparently after I
said that in an episode, a lot of commons said,
oh my god, I didn't think of that either. It's
I understand that basically the fall of Rome and all
the wealth that Rome had that just rolled right into
the Vatican, that just rolled into the Roman Catholic Church.
Is that a fair statement.
Speaker 4: It's a very fair statement.
Speaker 2: It's actually a really interesting statement because if you go
to the Gnostic text, they say to Jeshua, who do
we go to when you're gone? And they say, he
says j James, my brother James. He does not say Peter.
But Peter was the apostle who went to Rome, and
so for Rome to become the seat of Christianity, Peter
had to be the first pope, and so Peter became
the important one. Then you go back and dive into
other Gnostic texts and you start finding something really interesting
because you start to see Peter just being infused in
other stories, not having a real part of the story,
but Peter. It's kind of like, and Peter was there
with him behind the rock doing that thing, and they
started infusing Peter into the story so that Peter would
have a place in importance in the story, and so
there's a lot of prop baganda about pushing Peter to
the forefront, and it's like, you know that, you know,
the Catholic Church is fascinating because it comes down to Constantine, right,
And Constantine's mother was the one who said where all
the sites were. She literally went around and said, the
search will help Holy suppochers versus has happened, you know,
three hundred years after the fact. She's the one who
said Mount Sinai is Mount Sinai. She's the one who
did all this stuff. But what she also is one
of the first saints, Saint Helena of Constantinople, is from
his mother. But the thing that's interesting about Constantine to
me is that his conversion happened supposedly by seeing a
giant flaming cross in the sky and the letter PX
all over the place, and so he had this and
supposedly his army saw it and all this stuff. Well,
when you dive into the history of that story, it's
really interesting. There's three accountings of Constantine's vision. The first
accounting comes as the oldest accounting. Constantine, on his way
to Rome to defeat this other general, stopped at the
Temple of Apollo, and Apollo appeared to him and told
him that Constantine was Apollo on earth, didn't even have
anything to do with God or Jesus. Right, of course,
the second one says that on the way marching to Rome,
Constantine camped out and while he was sleeping, he had
a dream and he saw the letter PX.
Speaker 4: So he had PX written on all his soldiers shields.
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Speaker 2: Right, saying that would be the thing that would make
them win. Thirty years later, some guy writes this book
about the history of Christianity to this point, and suddenly
his entire army sees a flaming cross in the sky
and p X. Every he dropped on their knees and
God was with them, and that was the big conversion
of Constantine. So Constantine, and you know, I've seen writings
and articles saying that Constantine didn't get baptized till till
his deathbed. Right, so he basically wanted to live the
life of a pagan and then go to a Christian hell,
you know, Toga toga, toga, then go, you know. So
it was like so he was having is a grandele life.
Speaker 4: He was just doing it for the power and the glory.
You know.
Speaker 2: He saw the way the things were moving, and he
said it's time to shift everything over to Christianity.
Speaker 1: He was a politician essentially. He was a politician as
a politician essentially. You said something interesting about the Knights Templar,
who is something that I'm starting to get into a
little bit more. I'm digging a little bit more into
that I find them. I mean, I've known about them
and the Freemasons and those kind of people, but the
Knights Templars specifically are really fascinated in connection with the
Grail legend and also with the Arc legend and what
they've done in that cross that they wore. I forgot
the name of that cross, but the cross they wore
that the X, but it's it looks like a cross,
the red one that they wore on their shields and
they wore on themselves and which yeah, which which actually
comes from the Onaki and Samerian texts. So it's you know,
you start going deeper into that stuff. But what do
you know about the connection from the Knights Templar and
what they were really doing with I mean, if you
go down to dan Brown Road, which you know with
Mary Magdalene and all that stuff. But they it seems
like they've been hiding or at least protecting information and
knowledge for a long time. And at least that's what
it sounds like. I love to hear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I don't have a lot of information.
It's interesting you asked me about this question because I
recently did my ancestry and I come from the Rose line.
My family goes back to Rose Castle in Scotland, and
so I actually have temper Templar lineage in my family,
which I'm not a Templar never, and I'm not amazing either,
But I just find it interesting that I trace back
to that. When I look at the Templars, I find them.
I find them as a as an amazing order that
was getting too powerful personally. It's just like any other
Christian or any other religious belief. And what happened was,
you know, Friday the thirteenth is because of the Templars.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, it's because they killed a bunch of people.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What happened was that the King of France owed the
Templar's a lot of money, and the king said.
Speaker 4: Well, let's just wipe them all out so.
Speaker 2: I don't have to pay them. And he chose the
thirteenth of Friday the thirteenth, and that's why we still
have the tradition of Friday the thirteenth being a unlucky
day or whatever, because they literally went through and wiped
them all out, which is why they all.
Speaker 4: Were fleeing and hiding.
Speaker 2: This TV show I like to watch called Oak Island,
The Curse of Oak Island.
Speaker 4: How don't you watch that at all?
Speaker 2: They're finding all kinds of really up in Nova Scotia.
They're finding this island has had this mystery going on
for years, and the Templar Knights supposedly were there. They're
finding all this templar stuff in Nova Scotia, and there's
this pit where all this stuff has been buried for years,
and nobody's been trying to get to it for two
hundred years, including a lot of high ranking Masons have
been trying to get to it, including Franklin Roosevelt. He
tried to get to it too. What it's called the
Curse of a Clodn's television show on Discovery. But it's fascinating.
The story's been going on forever. But as far as
the Templars are concerned, you know, they were a militant
order that was based in that very highly Christian thing,
you know, you said Dan Brown. Dan Brown's interesting. He
comes from the Blood. His whole book idea comes from
the Blood in the Grail, which is a book that
was written a long time ago. But that book was
written from a guy who was trying to prove that
he was the ancestor of Jeshua. And so he and
his buddy had created these documents that looked like ancient
documents and actually put them in libraries in France. Well,
it was it was very quickly debunked because they went
to their friend's house and found his friend making the documents, right,
So it was.
Speaker 4: A total fraud case.
Speaker 2: He was literally trying to prove that they came to
France so that he could be the descendant.
Speaker 4: Of Jesus, you know, so, and then they wrote the
book from there.
Speaker 2: So it's all this misinformation that's out there that that's
really kind of a It's kind of sad because you know,
people tell these stories and all these frauds happen, but
the story of Jeshua is much more beautiful and much
more simple. And everyone likes to say, you know, the Messiah,
and he was a man who found this divinity and
was showing us ours and and that was the best
part of the whole thing. Is that's a grant, so
much better story than some of the lights of the sky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'd agree with you one hundred percent.
I mean again, I've said this before, but like I went,
when I was sitting around and looking at the Vatican,
I'm like, this has nothing to do with Jesus. This
is nothing to do with Jesus. This is all about
power and greed and pompous and opulence. Oh she's the
walls are literally paved with gold. I mean, you sit there,
it's in you sat in awe. It was the embarrassment
of riches going into that museum. You're just in there's like,
how many things do they steal for God's sake? There's
so many artifacts that they still from around the world.
And let's not even talk about what's in the de
vaults of the Vatican. Can you imagine the kind of
texts and.
Speaker 2: Their atrocities are not that old Because during World War
Two a.
Speaker 1: Couple of years ago, apparently isn't it a couple of
years ago the church a couple of things.
Speaker 2: Well, even though World War Two the Pope supported Hitler well,
of course, and so did several of the cardinals. Right,
It's like, and they're they're they're a little bit behind
the times, you know. In nineteen eighty six was a
great year. Ferris Bueller's Day Off came off. Obviously, big
trouble in Little China came out.
Speaker 4: It was also thereas it was earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's also the year that the Catholic Church
for gave Galileo for the Earth not being flat.
Speaker 4: I think they're a little behind the times.
Speaker 1: I mean they the damage that that organization has done
is mind boggling. The amount of it's mind boggling. And yeah,
they do good, of course, they do help the poor
and stuff like that. But it's overall, like when I
was in when I you want to talk about behind
the times, my wife couldn't walk into certain churches without
covering her shoulders with a shawl. They were handing out
paper shawls, paper paper shawls, so when you walk in,
the shoulders weren't It was one hundred and ten, by
the way, and in the middle of June or July
when we went and she couldn't walk in, and also
if she had shorts on, she had to cover up
the legs and would make this kind of like paper
dress to walk in. And I'm like, how this is
so barbaric. I can't believe this is still a thing.
Speaker 4: It's very Saint Paul. It's very Saint Paul. Saint Paul
who never met.
Speaker 2: You, Jesus in life, you know. And I say, well,
you see me, see we change Jesus and Jeshua. It's
what I'm thinking religion. I think Jesus when I think Jeshua,
I think the guy I knew, right, So he said,
you'll hear me interchange it like that.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 2: He was a Pharisee and you read his stuff and
everything he wrote was Parisayic called teachings, you know, the
subjugation of women, women weren't allowed to pray in the
same building, all, you know, all kinds of things.
Speaker 4: But he also believed that.
Speaker 2: The Second Coming was having it in his lifetime, and
that he thought everybody should be celibate.
Speaker 4: And so, I mean, so he.
Speaker 1: Had this just he's a little off, a little off.
Speaker 4: A little messed up a.
Speaker 1: Little intense, as they say, as the kids say, a
little intense. Yeah, it's it's fascinating the more I dig
into Joshua and his teachings, uh, and find out about
the Gnostics and the rob Robicus and Crustians, the Robekutians,
ros Rosicrucians, I just kind of discovered who they were
going into my resource, like what is happening here? And
and and going down these different roads of alternative history,
which is not made up history, just different points of
view from in a large.
Speaker 2: Part of it made up history, a large part of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well history in general is made up, and
a lot of a lot of it is made up
without question. But also going into areas where there the
people that you listen to about Joshua had no fight,
and I had no bone to pick, had no dog
in the fight. India, for for instance, you start going
down the down those roads and Jesus or Jessua is
renowned in India, like he's up there with the greatest
yogis of all time. And they thought, oh he was
a great yogi.
Speaker 4: And in Islam as well, yes.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. Will be right back after a word from
our sponsor and now back to the show. So my
question to you, and I don't know if we've ever
spoken about this, but I always consider Joshua a yogi.
He is a grand yogi in the sense of what
he was doing. Because the more of these stories you
hear about the miracles he performed, I'm like, well, they
all sound very yogic in nature, you know again, walking
across water, manifestation of you know, turning water into wine,
all this kind of stuff. This is high end, enlightened yogi,
ascended master one oh one. What your understanding of his
abilities and why he used I mean, I can imagine,
look if he did something. If someone showed up today
and did what Jeshua did back then, same stuff. First
of all, everyone would think it's visual effects. It's obviously foolery.
It doesn't make any sense because we have a little
bit more educated eye. But it would be very difficult
to prove even in person, because there's so many magicians
doing crazy stuffy But back then, it literally must have
been you're a god, because you're absolutely you are an
absolute god. I will follow you to the ends of
the earth. Because humanity's consciousness was so low when Jeshua
showed up, which is job to try to lift everybody up.
What are your what is your take about the yogic
hours specifically and him being a yogi.
Speaker 2: It's a very interesting thing. I think he's I think
he did a lot of studies in India. But I
also think eventually, every every ascended avatar that's been out there, Buddha, Krishna,
all of them, I think eventually what happens is they
they they surpassed their.
Speaker 4: Their methodility and their technique.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yes, And what would Joshua kept saying was greater works
than I've done, you will do. It's your faith that
heals you. You can ask a mountain to move, it'll move.
Nothing's impossible for you. Whatever you asking, God's name is
granted if you have faith. Kept saying all these very
empowering things. And I want to share a story. I
was my first big, real spiritual quote unquote light show
experience was defined to me as a Kundlin rising. I
may have told this on one of the interviews I
did where I was lying in a tent freezing my
butt off, and I started doing.
Speaker 1: I do a lot of interviews. I don't remember.
Speaker 4: Please O sure, I'm sure I don't expect you to know.
Speaker 1: I try to remember all of them, but the.
Speaker 4: Way I just don't want to repeat for your audience. Alex,
I know you don't care. I'm kidding. I'm getting, I'm kidding,
I'm getting.
Speaker 1: Please please please help the story real quick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was.
Speaker 2: I was in a tan to New Orleans, freezing my
butt off. Had a medieval fair and the week before
I went, I saw this thing on sixty minutes and
said that these Buddhist monks want to a freezer, and
they put wet towels on them and they heated their
bodies up in the freezer. When they came out, they
were not D eight point six and the towels for
one hundred and twenty right. And so I'm lying in
this tent freezing. I was not in this spirituality hardly
at all. I had already become an agnostic at that point,
and I'm like, well, if they can do it, so
can I. And I started focusing on my feet and
getting warm, and my feet got warm, and I slowly
started saying, okay, I'm bringing it up my shins, I'm
bringing up to my knees. And I slowly brought this
heat up my body. I could feel it happening.
Speaker 4: It was amazing.
Speaker 2: Came although in my chest it wouldn't go any higher.
And then I'm like, nope, try to force it together right.
And I hear this thought come into my head that says,
relax into it, and I exhale and Mike, I went
full out into this pure white expanse, feeling one with everything,
feeling pure love, energy, no fear, no anxiety, just a
full connection to everything.
Speaker 4: It was incredible.
Speaker 2: So next day I'm talking to the guy that I
do a comedy show with it back then, and I
was trying to I said, you know, I've never had
anything like this happened before, you know, And I explained
to what Happy says, Oh my god, you had a
clendliniey rising. I've been trying to have one of those
for years. Now here's the difference. For years he had
been practicing TM, trying to use the technique to have
a cundliney rising for me. I just said, I am
warming my body up. I was present moment, I was fearless,
and I was not using any tique technique at all.
And I think that Jeshua Buddha Krishna I think all
of them surpassed. The word mastery is a fascinating thing
because it's a misnomer because of the fact that mastery
implies that you've learned everything in one discipline and you're
the best at it, right, But all disciplines expand and grow,
and so unless you become a full master and then
you start to experiment and improvise and start doing more stuff,
then you're no longer the master because somebody's going to
come up and learn everything you know, and then they're
going to experiment and they're going to add more or
to the to the to the technique. Right what I
found for me personally, and I don't know if you're
a numbers guy, alex is four forty four.
Speaker 4: Right now, So just for there.
Speaker 2: What I think all of the big avatars do is
they is they come to a place of doing all
this study, learning all this stuff, but then they strip
it all away and just come back to their oneness,
their non duality and realizing that their beliefs are creative.
You know, what do you think you become? You create
your world as a man thinking, so is he? And
I think that they actually surpass it. But yeah, did
they learn it.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 2: Do I think he learned it in India? Absolutely? Do
I think he probably went to high levels. Absolutely do
I think he eventually got to the point where he said, look,
it's it's much simpler than it has to be.
Speaker 4: I don't. You don't have to go through all of
this stuff to get there.
Speaker 1: And that's what the yogis all say. I mean, at
a certain point, at a certain point, they transcend the technique,
They transcend what they've been taught. It is this starting point,
kind of like even great martial artists at a certain point.
It's just like mister Maggie says, don't think, just be,
and you start to wax on, wax off without even thinking.
Speaker 4: You go blind.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I had to go to therek mombs Catholic just.
Speaker 1: Threw it up there and you're just gonna knock it
out anyway. So I lost my train of thought. What
was I saying? Oh, yes, being, we're talking deep spiritual
concepts here, sir No. So when you transcend the technique,
you just be, you go beyond it because you go
to the pure connection of it. You do need It's
kind of like you, unless you're a savant, you need
to read to learn about things. But at a certain point,
reading books is you're reading other people's perception and biased
about the topic that you're learning about. But when you
transcend that correct so you're you're reading those people's opinions
of it and how things are. But when you go
past that and start to tap into the universal knowledge
that you find within your meditations, within your own ability,
like you said, I am, then that information is unwaiverable.
You can't. You can't. You can argue the Bible or
any religious text to the day you die. You could
argue it, you can point poke holes in it. But
when you understand it at a at a universal level,
it's you can't move.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: One tols Yeshua, what what is this? God? Think? What
are you talking about? I could do what you do?
You're God, I'm a shepherd. What do you talking about?
Speaker 4: And you know what his response was, y are God's.
Speaker 1: Right, which which by the way, is heresy. Yep, which
is heresy by the church that apparently be founded, which
he did not. It's it's it is such the deeper
you go down that road, as far as looking into
these religious texts, these stories, you start to see the
contradictions you start.
Speaker 2: You want to see the most the most fascinating channel
on YouTube right now, in my opinion.
Speaker 4: Is that's mine.
Speaker 2: Of course besides or of course, followed closely by Mind,
followed closely by Mind. Dan McClellan, Dan McClellan, I love
watching Dan McClellan.
Speaker 4: You know who that is?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Dan is a more is a Bible scholar, and he's
interestingly enough, he's a Mormon.
Speaker 4: You you would love to have him on your show.
Speaker 2: Very intelligent man, but his whole channel is about debunking
Bible myth and he he speaks ancient Aramaic, he speaks,
takes in Hebrew, he speaks.
Speaker 1: I've seen him, I've seen flashed by my feed.
Speaker 4: He is.
Speaker 2: He is brilliant because he never lets his Mormonism and
his scholarly work cross. It's always about the scholarly work.
And just hear him say Genesis one Genesis two. We
know they're from two separate texts, and we know they're
in the wrong order, right, so so he like he
literally goes, this is what all the scholars believe. And
he the the modern evangelists who are evangelists who are
saying you know that you know it's a sin to
be homosexual and quote these Bible passages.
Speaker 4: He says, that's not what it says at all.
Speaker 2: And he goes and he breaks it down from not
only the semantic version of the words and the entimolti
of the words, but he also breaks it down to
the social structure of the time. And so it's I mean,
it's he has he has verified I had more stuff
of my beliefs than probably anybody else on YouTube, just
because of the fact that he's bringing me actual data.
And that's so clear and fascinating.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's amazing, it really is. We'll be right
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to the show. The concept of reincarnation was x maye
from the Bible. Uh. Though it was there originally, from
what I.
Speaker 4: Understand, it was still there in little ways. You just
have to look for it.
Speaker 1: Between the lines. You got to look for it between
the lines. But that concept of reincarnation, uh, which has
been around and is believed. But I would imagine the
majority of the planet I believe.
Speaker 4: In a lot of a lot of the spiritual traditions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, even even ancient Judaism has has reincarnated.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then also I think if you go back
into the Sumers and Bamalonians and they have concepts of
reincarnation as well, what is your take on Jesus's point
of view on reincarnation and suffering and why we have
to suffer and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4: I love that. I love that question. I love I
love that question.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: First of all, pull a Bible quote out. Joshua says,
to the disciples, who do they say that I am?
The disciples say, some say you're Elijah or some other
prophet returned. He says, no, I tell you he has
come already and you have shunned him, referring to John
the Baptist. So he literally is saying that Elijah and
the prophets can return and be somebody else. He's literally
saying that that Elijah returned and was John the Baptist.
So that is a direct correlation of reincarnation in the Bible.
I believe he I believe he taught it. But the
thing about reincarnation for me personally is, you know, I
was never a believer when I was a Catholic, and
then yeah, harasy right nineteen psychics come and tell me
that I was had this past life.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, no, no, I don't want to
be that guy. I don't want to be.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Hell. I don't want
to go Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to I don't want to be the guy
who thinks he's Napoleon either, you know. So you know
because there's a big stigma to the guy who says
the Apostle reincarnated. But after my regression, there was no
way I could I could deny that I had those memories.
They're so visceral. Have you ever heard my regression? It's
it's just it's gut wrenching. You hear me screaming at
the foot of the cross. It's it's crazy. But I've
met multiple people who think they're John. I've met multiple Peters,
I've met multiple Paul's. I've bet over thirty ladies who
think they're Marry Magdalene. I mean, yeah, I mean to me,
it would be it would be completely hypocritical of me
to say they're wrong, right, that they're that they're lying
or something.
Speaker 4: How could I say that. It's not possible for me
to say that.
Speaker 2: So I don't think we fully understand what reincarnation is
I think that that maybe we're all just tapping into
the wonderess of God, and we're tapping into these various
memories of these wondness of God in the wondness of God,
and or maybe there is a singular reincarnation like that.
But I think there is something, because you wouldn't have
found it in so many spiritual traditions if there wasn't something.
Speaker 4: There some proof of it. And that's my take on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I always said, well, that makes a lot
more sense than you got one life and that's it. Yeah,
Oh you were born. You were born a dude, a
Caucasian descent in America. Man, you win the lottery, brother, Yeah,
I mean you won the lottery.
Speaker 4: Amen. Amen.
Speaker 1: I am a Cuban man, a Latino man born in America. Uh.
And I could have easily been born in Cuba if
it wasn't for that little Fidel dude.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: So I was I a bigger one, but but I
was so I also won the lottery. So I'm like, okay, well,
then those the people who were born in Kenya who
can't eat or die after a week or two, is
that that? That's it? That's the one and done, like
you know, or I would I died at birth or
since you know, two days after I was born, or
you know, there's so many or I have a disease
for my entire life, or I have a disabled disability
for my entire life, or I'm blind. I'm like, is
this that's it? That doesn't seem it just didn't make
any sense to me.
Speaker 4: That didn't seem fair to me either, Right, it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem fair. And you could say, oh, it's just
you know, it's the way that the cards, the way
the cookie crumbles. You know, I think this is all
so divinely perfect.
Speaker 4: Everything well, and that's what that's what Einstein said.
Speaker 2: He says he said when he got down to the
bottom of all of the studies of atoms and everything,
he says it was too organized, not for the be
some other consciousness, greater conscious is involved. He believed in
the godless binosa, which is a greater consciousness as opposed
to a white guy with a beard on a cloud. Right,
So he believed in a greater consciousness. And when you
look at it, it is it is divinely organized.
Speaker 4: You know, there's so many things that can happen but
it's also when.
Speaker 2: You look at all the all the ancient texts, you know,
what you think, you become, you create your world. There's
also the correlation not only of reincarnation and all those things,
but there's also this correlation of free will.
Speaker 4: We all, we all have ability.
Speaker 2: In this life to you know, so many people will
think they're reincarnated into this life because they have to
fulfill something from a past life or something in a
future life, or and I think I think probably we
on the other side, we probably choose a potential life
to play with and we come down here and we
have complete free will to use it as we want.
And I think that that's kind of although you know,
some things in my life have happened, have been really
where you want to hear a really weird reincarnation story.
So in the Bible, there's this in the Book of John.
Towards the end, it's Peter points at John and says,
what of him? And Joshua says, if I'm he says,
I'm talking of you, you know, if I want him
to stay until I come, what's that to you? I'm
talking to you? And in the book it says from
that point on they thought John would never die, right,
And now I'm reading this guy, well, I, well, I
definitely was born, so I obviously died, right. And then
I started thinking about the reincarnation cycle, and I started thinking, well,
what if what if for some reason the consciousness of
John never stayed on the other side and just was like,
would pass it instantly reincarnate?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: So I started looking at this and I'm like, Okay,
is there all this proof? And I don't know, like whatever,
I just kind of blew it off. Then I started
thinking about writing a book about my life. And I
started and I started researching a title. The title was
I John. I Comma John. Found out there was a
book in nineteen eighty something about it was the interpretation
of the Book of John. Then I found this vintage book,
I John, if.
Speaker 4: You can see that?
Speaker 1: Or right, yeah John, Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: I start reading this book.
Speaker 2: It's about a guy who lives lived in New Jersey,
right across the bay from where I grew up.
Speaker 4: His name was John.
Speaker 2: He remembered the past life is John in the Beloved Apostle.
He eventually moved to Ohio and he died just before
I was born. Now I lived in Ohio, in Delaware,
right across from New Jersey. I'm now sitting in Ohio.
And he was also in the entertainment industry, as was I.
So it's really kind of interesting, right, So I'm looking
at them. So is that proof of this? I have
no clue, but I just find it really interesting. Edgar
Case in nineteen thirty eight said John the Beloved would
again be named John. So my question is, has John
been reincarnating? Is someone named John over and over again?
Am I just one aspect of that?
Speaker 4: John?
Speaker 2: I asked my mom one time, why shed name me John?
She says, I have no idea. She had no clue
why she named me John.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, So you said so good good.
Speaker 1: No, you said something really interesting in regards to when
you reincarnate, that you come down here and you have
free will to do whatever you want. My understanding is
the same with a caveat, is that there is a
soul plan based on the other side, Like I'm going
to be born to these parents who are going to
give me these kind of this kind of experience, and
there's going to be mile markers along my life that
have to happen. Now, how you get from these mile
markers is completely up to you. But you're going to
marry this person, You're going to do You're going to
be in the entertainment business. You know, these are giant
things that are what you signed up for. Now, how
you get there, what you do when you get there,
that's all up to you. But you plan these giants
because there are these mild markers that go throughout your life.
Then you go and go, oh, okay, well I needed
to have that job at the video store, because if
I didn't have that job in the video store, I
would have never had the idea to become a filmmaker
in a time when that was insane. It's the equivalent
of working Renaissance fails or working at a carnival. It
literally ran away with the circus. So, but that had
to happen. If I didn't, if that wouldn't have happened,
would I have jumped into the film business or just
been a fan like I don't know. If my grandfather
wouldn't have had his house broken into We'll be right
back after a word from our sponsor, and now back
to the show, and he in an insurance claim, got
a camera, and he gave me that camera. If I
would have never gotten that vide because cameras weren't available
really during my time. It's easily so these are things
there's like, these are things that but now, I could
have made that camera and gone, you know what, I'm
gonna make poorn. I could have gone down road.
Speaker 2: And I want you had a choice, that you had
a choice at every moment, every every every moment.
Speaker 1: But I decided to do what I'm doing, you know,
And I like, oh, podcasting, that sounds interesting. You know.
There's little things that pop along the path.
Speaker 2: Where I think we part company in this idea. Is
I agree that we probably that we choose a potential life.
We look at a life where we say, okay, that's
the one that I'm going to go down, because we
always have choice. Sure, so we're on the other side,
we still have choice. We're choosing which which path to
go down. I just don't think it's faded or destined
that these milestones are going to happen. I think that
their potential will be come in. But I think we
still we always have choice.
Speaker 1: So I agree with you on that. And when I
say that there's a mile markers, these are mile markers
that you put down and you are right. You have
the choice to sway off the road that you predet
and from what I understand, when you go off that
road far enough, things just keep getting You're literally going
off the paved road, so you're getting onto rocks and
to gain. So the basically life or the universe starts
making things so difficult that it eventually pushes you again
free will Oh you want to you want to keep
doing this? This is you signed up for this, and
it will start to slowly either push you back in
the way or then this is when your death experience
has happened, where someone's gone so far off that they
like this guy, this lass. They're not listening. Let's kill them.
Bring them up. Okay, listen, man, you're supposed to be
doing this. You signed up for this. Do you want
to stay or do you want to go back? That
kind of thing? So I agree with you. I think
we're we're not too far off.
Speaker 4: It could totally be.
Speaker 2: It could totally be because my my the first outer
body well not well cross crossing over experience I had
was a really weird one because it happened in my
past life progression when Joshua touched my chest.
Speaker 4: I crossed over in the regression.
Speaker 2: The second one I have been I haven't gotten really
good at getting out of body. And then I was
doing actual travel and one night I was going, Okay,
I'm going to actual travel tonight, and I bypassed the
physical plane and crossed all the way over, and.
Speaker 4: I'm standing here and this guy's standing there. He's looking
at me. He's looking at me like a like a child.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just like this compassion for this
lovely little child in front of them, And he says,
you're not supposed.
Speaker 4: To be here yet. And two girls come around and
tickle me back into my physical body.
Speaker 1: Right, that's amazing. It was.
Speaker 2: It was an amazing story. But the concept of you're
not supposed to be here yet is an interesting topic
because what do you mean supposed.
Speaker 1: To well, because it's not your time, you'd like you
signed up for this experience. You're supposed to be in
the game right now. You're supposed to be in the simulation.
You're not done yet, the ride's not over yet. You're
you have an outpoint, and this is not the outpoint.
We all have an expiration date. That's part of the
the you know, we all have that at a certain point.
And that's the one thing we can't choose. We can't
choose when we technically when we come in unless you
I mean, if you are on the other end, but
you really, while you're here, you can't really choose unless
you commit suicide or something along those lines. You really
can't choose when you leave. Really, I mean, it's it's
very it's a very interesting that is the one rule
there is no because if you have free choice, you're like, ah,
maybe I want to live another hundred years. That's free choice, right.
But let me tell you that.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, let me tell you a story
about my ex wife's grandmother that I mean.
Speaker 4: Her name was Funny made Joseph.
Speaker 2: She was from Syria, and she was ninety six years
old and lived alone, took care of her house every day, and.
Speaker 4: She had very specific rules.
Speaker 2: Her rules were to Monday till five o'clock, it's workday,
so you don't turn on the television. You do your
tour chores all day long. And every morning she would
get up, she would make her cup of coffee, and
she would make her little cerean bread and she would
make a list of her chores for the day. She
would pull out her VCR tape because she was still
using them, and record her one soap opera so that
she could watch it at five o'clock when the workday
was done. Right, one day, I said to her, I said,
we caught her.
Speaker 4: Graham.
Speaker 2: I said, Graham, what's the secret to long life? She said,
if I stop, I'll die right. If I stop, I'll
die right. The last year of her life, her choice
be came. Prepare the house for the kids. Who wants
what Let's make sure all the paperwork's done. And she did,
did everything she had to do, and then she moved
out and died.
Speaker 1: She knew she she she had a feeling that it
was time to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my father a year before he died, told me
I'm not going to make it the next Christmas.
Speaker 4: And he didn't.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing is too, Like I understand what
you're saying, and you're absolutely right. You do sometimes have
a choice. You know when it's coming. I don't know
if that's a choice or not, but they know it's coming,
and there's an instinct to it, like you know, like
I'm i gotta I gotta get my paperwork in order,
I gotta get everything done. If there's a there's an
I know it's coming, but I'm not sure they chose
it is the question did Nana choose that time? Did
my grandparents choose the time that they left I to shoot?
My grandpa was trying to buy an apartment to rent
it too, as if it was up to him, he'd
still be here, you know what I see?
Speaker 2: And I think that I think that we sometimes pass
because of our beliefs about certain things.
Speaker 4: Like my mother, she was, she was.
Speaker 2: Very old, and she she she had broken her back.
She's living in Florida alone, and she was like she
didn't she did not want to move north. And it
got to the point where like we couldn't go down
there and be with her because we all had work
up here, or we couldn't leave behind. So it got
to the point where we finally said, Mom, we're gonna
have to bring you north, and Mom says, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't want to go north.
Speaker 2: And Mom spent the next six months prepping the house,
making sure all the stuff was done, getting it all done,
and she died the day, like a week or so
before she was supposed to come north. So I think
that sometimes I don't think I was necessarily chosen that way,
but I think that I think that it was her
belief was creating that end.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no question, Yeah, I mean there is. We're
getting into some gray area here without question because you
and I, neither of you or I have the answer
to this.
Speaker 4: Neither one of us has the answer. None of us
have the answer because we're here.
Speaker 1: Exactly the case by case, but the case by case
basis on these things. Well, I mean, you listened to
the way Yogananda died Yogananda Yogananda. For if you're watching this,
you probably heard me say that word Yogananda or Paramansa
Yogananda one point or another. But Yogananda said to his disciple,
his disciple there at the time, I'm gonna leave you tonight.
And They're like, what are you talking about, Guru, And
I'm like, no, no, tonight will be the I'm leaving.
And he got up on stage. He was at this
event with a bunch of people. He got up on stage,
said his thing, and right before he said his last word,
right after he said his last word, he just dropped
and it was done. And there was supposedly a heart attack,
but he was done. But which really fascinating about him,
among many things, is that he never A lot of
things were very fascinating about him. He didn't decay. His
body looked as fresh as the day he was alive,
and he was out of body, out of his soul
had left his body, his body had sat there for
five days for people to come. Never decayed. Even when
he was going into the ground, his skin was still
soft to the touch. There was no rigormortis, none of that.
And that's all documented. That only happened, you know, seventy
years ago or something like that. So it's it's you see,
these are the kind of stories you hear. You're just
like wow, just well, I mean, John, you and I
I think we devoted our lives to try to figure
out this game that we're all in. And you know,
I I am. I do this show that I do
because I really want to try to connect the puzzles
pieces together, from all the puzzle pieces, from all walks
of life, not just the one part, not just the
Christian puzzle piece, or this philosophy or this thing, you know,
just exact. Jeshua is one piece of that puzzle. Yoga
Nanda is another. Baba is another. Uh, and you can
just keep going through all Moham Zoroastrian. He's another like,
there's so many Confucius, and I mean, we can keep
going and going. But all of them had a piece
of the puzzle, and they all saw the elephant from
a different point of view. So they all I'm trying
to p see the entire elephant and not just the
pieces that right right, that old, that old problem.
Speaker 2: I think I think the only way you do that
is to step back and look at it all.
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Speaker 2: And and I think I think that people get too
trapped into one religion. And God is too big and
beautiful to be encompassed in one religion. God, universe, consciousness,
shada YadA, the bigger picture.
Speaker 4: You know, what are you want to call it?
Speaker 2: I think it's all too big and beautiful to be
encompassed by anyone school of flood of religion. That's why
I think I love I love your channel because what
your channel does is you bring people one who don't
necessarily agree with you or but you find truth in
all of them because we all have bits and pieces
and parts and you bring that truth to the audience
for people to say, well, yeah, that's the part that
I agree with. I tell people on my channel all
the time. I said, all I'm doing on my channel
is speaking my truth. And if it rings true to you, great,
try it out. If it doesn't work, get rid of it,
you know, and you know, find your own truth. My mom,
this beautiful woman up behind me, who were here, she said,
spirituality is a personal journey. And I think we're all
on a personal journey. And I think that I can
respect anybody's journey unless they're causing fear or harm to
somebody else. That I can't respect that because I think
God is love and I think that use the same way.
And I think that, And I love the fact that
your channel does that though brings on so many different
kinds of thought.
Speaker 1: I I I appreciate that because and I try to
do it with an open heart. I never have an agenda,
never judge whether I agree with it or don't. I
I I always find the seeds in what people say
that that work. It's like, oh, that puzzle piece look good.
And I met and I also talk about ancient civilizations
and lost history and quantum physics, you know. I had
a rocket scientist on the other day, like, it's these
all these perspectives and little bits of that they're all connected.
And that's what people don't understand. Everything is connected.
Speaker 2: Quantum fact you have if you have yet, I have
someone from Nordic science that that is a fascinating science
because or Mitchell started that he was in Apollo astronaut.
He had a transcendental experience coming back into the atmosphere
and spent the rest of his life trying to bridge
the gap between science and spirituality. And some of the
stuff that they have discovered in their studies has been fascinating.
So you should look into the neuetic science, and your
audience should as well, because it really does start to
show you so many correlations between us all. I was
doing a private reading for somebody and I had a
line come out in one of the readings, and the
lady said that it was a line from her dead
husband's book, which I thought was fascinating too. But the
line was all empirical evidence is found in the illusion
of beliefs, So science itself was a dogma.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, who knows that?
Speaker 4: What a great line. Every scientist has a theory that's
their beliefs, so they see it.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And then when you challenge that belief because
there's new evidence, right, or a new idea. No, no, no,
Galileo Earth is not round, go away.
Speaker 4: Right, five hundred years later, five hundred years later.
Speaker 1: All right, we're a little behind. Yeah, you know, it's
pretty fascinating. John. First of all, I want to thank
you for doing this extra little thing for us and
for the tribe, and hopefully this conversation helps people just
open their mind. They got a couple of seeds and
a couple more pieces of that puzzle that we're all
trying to put together in this conversation. Where can people
find out more about you and the work that you're
doing in the world, brother.
Speaker 2: Well Johnofnew dot com of course, and on YouTube, John
of New and I've got over fourteen hundred videos in
the last two and a half years on that channel,
so go off and enjoy that. I also have a
second channel called the Recovering Catholic, so you can check
that one out as well. But yeah, that's the quickest
way to get a hold of me. And if you
want to find out about the sessions I do on
my web site john v dot com. But they can
go there and find out more about that.
Speaker 1: My friend. Uh, you're always a pleasure to talk to,
my friend, and we've got to get you into the
studio to do any person.
Speaker 2: Whatever you need. By Alex or you were, you are
first on my list always.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, my friend. Thank you for what you
do and the bravery that you do it with and
putting this information out into the world. So I appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Thank you, and I appreciate you as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
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