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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>MII, Nicole, thank you very much. By the way, kickoff

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<v Speaker 2>the late about twenty minutes in Kansas City due to lightning,

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<v Speaker 2>so they took the players off the field. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Ravens and Kansas City going about twenty minutes later. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>when we used to live in an area where we

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<v Speaker 2>had a championship football team. My god, it seems so

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<v Speaker 2>long ago, doesn't it. But I am never going to

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<v Speaker 2>bitch and moan about the New England Patriots. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>this is Nightside, Gary Tagwig, not a sports tuck show.

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<v Speaker 2>But just real quickly, I will never complain about the

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<v Speaker 2>New England Patriots. I don't care how bad it gets.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care if they don't win a game this year.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter to me. We had twenty years of bliss,

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<v Speaker 2>of just unparalleled bliss. I don't want to hear anybody

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<v Speaker 2>ever complain about the Pats. It's time to rebuild. Live

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<v Speaker 2>with it, Live with it people. So I guess while

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on football, I should say coming up at eleven o'clock,

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole Yang is going to join us from the Boston

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<v Speaker 2>Globe and we'll talk about my buddy Gerard Mayo making

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<v Speaker 2>his coaching debut. Jacobe Brissett is going to be the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday at one o'clock, the Patriots will open up in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just so weird, right to have the Patriots and

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<v Speaker 2>their season opener at one o'clock on a Sunday, where

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't that long ago they wore the Kansas City

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<v Speaker 2>Chiefs and they were hosting a Thursday night season opening

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<v Speaker 2>football game at Foxboro. But those days are over, so

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday had won, the Pats open up in Cincy. Got

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<v Speaker 2>to be a long year, as it should be, but

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<v Speaker 2>they will rebuild. I have a lot of faith in

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<v Speaker 2>Gerrod Mayo, so we'll talk to Nicole about that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't want the quarterback to get killed. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean their offensive line is who little Swiss cheese action.

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<v Speaker 2>The Truth About Horses terrific story written by author Christy Cashman.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people know Christy town philanthropists, actor, producer, author.

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<v Speaker 2>What doesn't she do? Her and her husband Jay? They

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<v Speaker 2>own a castle. They have a castle in Ireland. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>my god, God, is there anything they don't do? When

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<v Speaker 2>do they sleep? I'm really curious about the whole castle thing,

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<v Speaker 2>how that went down. But she has a terrific story

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<v Speaker 2>about a fourteen year old Rehes Tucker, and it's about

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<v Speaker 2>training horses. Everybody loves a story about horses. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a horse. I rode a horse once.

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<v Speaker 2>I was with my family on vacation. We were in

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<v Speaker 2>Santa Fe, New Mexico, and uh, they needed the jaws

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<v Speaker 2>of life to get me off the horse. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>flexible in many areas, specifically the groinary. That's right, I said, groinery.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you put me on a horse, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to You need a rib spreader to get me on

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<v Speaker 2>and the jaws of life to get me off. But

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't love horses? Who doesn't love a story about horses?

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<v Speaker 2>This is a this is you got to check this out,

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<v Speaker 2>and not a clock. We talked to Ben Selko. He

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<v Speaker 2>is a nominated IMMAN nominated excuse me, filmmaker. He does

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<v Speaker 2>great work. He's a friend of mine too. I know

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<v Speaker 2>bet He did the Mary Tyler Moore documentary which I loved,

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<v Speaker 2>which was fantastic. But he has a new one out

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<v Speaker 2>and it is crazy. It's crazy. Just when you think

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<v Speaker 2>you've seen it all right, you go, what excuse me?

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<v Speaker 2>What chasing a true crime con man? Killer lies? A

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<v Speaker 2>serial killer expert Stefan Bergonne from France? Is he what

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<v Speaker 2>he seems? This is an incredible tale. It's an incredible

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<v Speaker 2>tale about a gentleman who became very accustomed to telling

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<v Speaker 2>incredible tales. Obviously, it's crazy, it's nuts, it's crazy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>sick too. I mean, but here's the thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing about serial killers and murder and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very disturbing. But people can't take their eyes off it.

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<v Speaker 2>They cannot take their eyes off it. You can stream it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a three part series. You could see it on Hulu.

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<v Speaker 2>It's from National Geographic in Hulu but streaming on Hulu

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<v Speaker 2>right now. And I suggest you check it out if

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<v Speaker 2>you love the whole true crime thing. People love it.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife is it, loves it, loves it. She's a calm,

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<v Speaker 2>very successful business woman. We go on a trip true crime,

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<v Speaker 2>just the things that are coming out of the radio

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<v Speaker 2>that she's just riveted to and I go, who are you?

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<v Speaker 2>And the MCST. I've never understood the MCST. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>understood the reason for it. The Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System,

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<v Speaker 2>a state wide standard based assessment program about Yeah, we know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to pass it in the tenth grade or

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<v Speaker 2>you can't graduate. Now, Dev McCarthy will vote yes on two,

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<v Speaker 2>which means if you vote yes on two, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>no for the m CAST. We are going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to her about why she believes the m CAST should

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<v Speaker 2>go away. We did reach out to the mass Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Education. They did not respond. They were not interested

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<v Speaker 2>in joining us tonight, but if they want to call in,

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<v Speaker 2>please do. I got to be honest with you. As

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<v Speaker 2>a parent, I was like, okay, kids, just take it. Fortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>my kids past hasn't been an issue. It does cause

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of anxiety, a lot of anxiety, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>always sat back and I've just wondered, shouldn't school be enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that you should eliminate the m CAST

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<v Speaker 2>because I want it to be easier for kids. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want it to be easier for kids. I think

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<v Speaker 2>in many aspects our children have it too easy as is.

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<v Speaker 2>But we pay money, we pay tax is, we want

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<v Speaker 2>a good school system. Sometimes we move to cities or

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<v Speaker 2>towns with a higher tax rate. Because we want a

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<v Speaker 2>quality school system. Why do we need the m cast

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<v Speaker 2>to look over the teacher's shoulders to make sure the

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<v Speaker 2>teachers are doing a good job. Like, if I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>teacher and you got the M cast, I'm kind of pissed.

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<v Speaker 2>It does give me a couple of days off. I

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<v Speaker 2>get a couple of days off, you know, because I

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<v Speaker 2>can just hand up the test. But the m casts

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<v Speaker 2>are basically looking over my shoulder to see if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing a good job. Do we Is that necessary? Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that why we have school? And I'm not being a jerk. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I love my kids' school. My kids have had terrific

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<v Speaker 2>experiences with students where we live, with educators where we live.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not bitching. I'm asking the question, isn't the school

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<v Speaker 2>system enough? I mean, we have a principal, we have

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<v Speaker 2>an assistant principal, we have guidance counselors, We've you know,

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<v Speaker 2>various departments. I mean, isn't that enough to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that our kids are learning properly and developing the proper aptitude.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously, when we're gonna talk to deb coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>are the mcast accurate?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think so? I think sometimes, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>will let kids off the hook a little bit. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>oh they'll get it. Oh they don't need mad for

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<v Speaker 2>what they're going to do in life, or they're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to need science for what they want to do

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<v Speaker 2>in life. Well they may not, but they have to

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<v Speaker 2>learn how to tackle a subject or a topic that

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<v Speaker 2>is a challenge to them or unfamiliar to them or

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable for them, so that when it comes to real

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<v Speaker 2>life and they have to take on projects and challenges

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<v Speaker 2>in life to make a living that they don't like

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not comfortable with, they have the confidence to

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<v Speaker 2>attack it. You know. I understand that one of my

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<v Speaker 2>kids is never going to be a mathematician, never going

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<v Speaker 2>to teach an MIT, never going to work in a lab,

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<v Speaker 2>never going to work as an engineer. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's necessary for them to learn how to take on

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<v Speaker 2>the challenge, you know. So sometimes it's just getting back

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<v Speaker 2>to the basics reading, writing, and arithmetic and being staunch

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<v Speaker 2>about it and making the kids do the work. But anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>Deborah McGrath is going to join us who says vote

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<v Speaker 2>yes on two which means no on the M cast,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will talk to dev and we also want

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<v Speaker 2>your phone calls on this six seven two five, four

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. I'm about eight thirty. We can start taking

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<v Speaker 2>some calls. But here's the deal with the calls, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not running the type of show where people come

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<v Speaker 2>in and scream and yell and beat people up verbally.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a parent, you have an opinion on the mcast,

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<v Speaker 2>or you've been involved in the mcast, you have an

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<v Speaker 2>experience with it, and you can enlighten us and bring

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<v Speaker 2>something to the conversation. If you're a student and you've

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<v Speaker 2>taken the mcst and you you've had anxiety over it

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't see the need for it, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you do see the need for it, or equal opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>If you disagree with me or you disagree with dev listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I welcome all discussion. Still come in. Yelling and screaming

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<v Speaker 2>it gives me a headache. All right, come in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's have a conversation about this at six one

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<v Speaker 2>seven two, five, four ten thirty The Mcast. Yeah Your

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<v Speaker 2>Name Next with Deborah McGrath on wbz's night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, Gary tankwa here for Dan tonight six one, seven,

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<v Speaker 2>two four ten thirty is the telephone number. Give us

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<v Speaker 2>a call here and jump on with night Side as

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about the mcast. Now, if you're a parent,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hear from you. If you've been involved

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<v Speaker 2>in this, you have thoughts on both sides of the street.

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<v Speaker 2>If you will, please welcome to the conversation. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk to Debah McGrath right now. Dev. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for joining us here on wbz's Night Side.

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<v Speaker 3>Well one, I thank you for having me. The name

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a little table here. Been a long day

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<v Speaker 2>for me. At least I got the first name, right, Deb.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well that's okay, long day for me too. So

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<v Speaker 3>we're in the same boat. Okay, nice to meet you.

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<v Speaker 3>And what did you say your name was?

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Gary. Nice to meet you together, all right, Dev,

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<v Speaker 2>good to meet you too, Okay, Dev McCarthy excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>all right? So the vote gash on two campaign? Why

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<v Speaker 2>should we get rid of the MCST. So we're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting rid of the MCST. That's not true, the mcast

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<v Speaker 3>will still be given. I think it's important to note

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<v Speaker 3>that I was an educator for twenty five years and

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<v Speaker 3>that this question simply eliminates the high stakes, not the

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<v Speaker 3>high standards. The standards don't go anywhere. The mcast is

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<v Speaker 3>not going anywhere. This will simply allow a certain percentage

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<v Speaker 3>of students that we see year in and year out

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<v Speaker 3>who are being denied a diploma because of a learning style.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well you got to help me out here then,

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<v Speaker 2>because really I'm a little lost, because okay, you're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>so you want to keep the M cast right, is staying?

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<v Speaker 3>The mcast will still be given. It's not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>So what happens is there are students who meet all

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<v Speaker 3>of the core requirements grades nine through twelve, and there

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<v Speaker 3>are hundreds of these stories every year. There's over seven

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<v Speaker 3>hundred kids who do everything that they need to do

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<v Speaker 3>in school, but because they did not pass that one test,

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<v Speaker 3>they're deny in diploma. And so this question will provide

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<v Speaker 3>educational equity for all learners.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm lost when you say education, when you say

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<v Speaker 2>educational equity to all learners, So I mean, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>point of having it is? If you've what's the point

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<v Speaker 2>of having the m cast if you flunk it and

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<v Speaker 3>No, So that's not what's going on here. So they

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<v Speaker 3>A B students. They are the stronger students when they demonstrate.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all speaking on performance assessment tasks. But when the

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<v Speaker 3>MCAST is given. One of the things that I think

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<v Speaker 3>people don't understand is test is design, specifically with the

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<v Speaker 3>the content, but it's the fine detail in the print.

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<v Speaker 3>The other thing that happens over and over again. You

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<v Speaker 3>have really strong science and MAP students. They manipulate the data,

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<v Speaker 3>they construct it, they use it in challenging and complex ways.

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<v Speaker 3>But the question asks them to write three paragraphs about

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<v Speaker 3>how they got their answer. If you're a dyslexic student,

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<v Speaker 3>that is not necessarily a strength. You're really good in science,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's not what you're being measured on. You're measured

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<v Speaker 3>on your ability to construct a well formulated, prescribed paragraph

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<v Speaker 3>that explains, So it's those students who are showing up

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<v Speaker 3>in our class, doing their work, getting good grades, who

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what you're saying, no, I got now, so

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<v Speaker 2>what But to me, this is fine, you know, no,

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<v Speaker 2>but and I agree with you. I don't think you

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<v Speaker 2>here's my point, Like, this is what I don't understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what I don't understand is that you said

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<v Speaker 2>there are basically there are no options. There are no

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<v Speaker 2>That's what you're telling me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I mean but that's okay, that's insane to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Vote I told I said that.

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<v Speaker 2>I said that. I said that at the opening of

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<v Speaker 4>I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I'm not I don't want to yell. I

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<v Speaker 3>just didn't hear the beginning of the show. Like you,

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<v Speaker 3>I had a long day and I happen to come

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<v Speaker 3>in at age fifteen, so I didn't hear you in

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of the show. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, I know we're arguing. I don't understand. But

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<v Speaker 2>to me, what I find frustrating is not your point

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<v Speaker 2>this question has to be asked, that if a kid

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<v Speaker 2>is a learning disability, that there is an allowance for

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<v Speaker 2>them with the m CAST. I thought that was already done.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fortunate as a parrot my kids don't have learning disabilities.

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<v Speaker 2>K I would thank you very much. Okay, so I've

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<v Speaker 2>never had to deal with this. I'm shocked that a

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<v Speaker 2>with the m CAST.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I thank you for those sentiments. I will tell

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<v Speaker 3>you this, we have been trying legislatively for over a

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<v Speaker 3>have not been able to get this addressed legislatively through

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<v Speaker 3>the Department of Education, and so we brought it to

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<v Speaker 3>the ballot. I will tell you that in the fall

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<v Speaker 3>we were able to get one hundred and seventy nine

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<v Speaker 3>signatures really easy. In the spring we had parents who

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<v Speaker 3>collected more than ten thousand on their own. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the other thing about this question that is really had

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<v Speaker 3>when I said educational equity that students who go to

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<v Speaker 3>private schools they don't have to pass the INCAST. I

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<v Speaker 3>work with educators who would remove their kids from the

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<v Speaker 3>public school system and send them to a private school

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<v Speaker 3>so that they didn't have to meet the mandates of

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<v Speaker 3>this one time test score to get a diploma.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's expensive, well.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the educational equity piece, right for your working

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<v Speaker 3>class family, they can't afford that, and so they're denied

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<v Speaker 3>that opportunity of equity because they can't afford to go

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<v Speaker 3>to a private school. I come from a family where

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<v Speaker 3>the learners. Some in the family we are dyslexic. And

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<v Speaker 3>the problem with passing a one time test like a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of times like they'll have the answer to the

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<v Speaker 3>question underneath the picture or at the bottom of the page,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it's about the ability. To me. Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like we're asking a child who is color blind

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<v Speaker 3>to find the color purple on a page, and so

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<v Speaker 3>their disability is not accommodated with this one time test.

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<v Speaker 3>And so this really is about allowing students the opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>to get a high school diploma. I heard a story

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<v Speaker 3>last night a dad in Cambridge who lost tuition scholarships

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<v Speaker 3>to go to college because he couldn't pass the test,

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't get a diploma, and it literally destroyed his life.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you one other, real quick one. You're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be seeing our commercial coming out. We have a

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<v Speaker 3>student in the commercial. She's been an ab student. She

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<v Speaker 3>did not pass the science poor as a ninth grader,

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<v Speaker 3>and so now as a sophomore, she can't take the

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<v Speaker 3>enrichment class. She has to take an extra science class

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<v Speaker 3>to teach her how to pass that test. People talk

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<v Speaker 3>about how this child who's now a young adult, has

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<v Speaker 3>like literally had their self confidence destroyed even though they've

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<v Speaker 3>been a strong academic student because they couldn't meet the

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<v Speaker 3>metrics of this one time science test.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but now, deb while I agree with you, did

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<v Speaker 2>this student have a learning disability?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I so I did not have that student in

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<v Speaker 3>my classroom, but I can.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what's confusing about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Very well be dyslexic, but I wouldn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but this wasn't in my classroom.

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<v Speaker 3>But I can tell you that I had plenty of

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<v Speaker 3>students in my classroom who were dyslexic, who did not

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<v Speaker 3>demonstrate their true intellectual on a one time test.

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<v Speaker 1>Score.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, But this is why your cause is confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>You just told me about a young woman who didn't

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<v Speaker 2>pass a certain section of the MCST test, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>not and you're saying now that her life is ruined,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is terrible. I'm not an MCST guy anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>but we don't know if she had a learning disability.

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, if you're saying the mcasts are bad

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<v Speaker 2>because it does not accommodate kids with learning disabilities, why

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<v Speaker 2>don't just go all the way, I mean, why even

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<v Speaker 2>have the why you even have the m test to

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<v Speaker 2>begin with.

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<v Speaker 3>Because first of all, I'm not the Commissioner of Education.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just an educator who has left the classroom to

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<v Speaker 3>try to realign and do something about the palm that

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<v Speaker 3>we're seeing every year. So if somebody wants to bring

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<v Speaker 3>a ball a question next year that removes the mcast,

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<v Speaker 3>let's have a conversation. But that's not what this is about.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the mcast will be in place. We will

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<v Speaker 3>still have the standards. We have standards, base report cards,

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<v Speaker 3>we have lesson plans aligning to the standards. We have

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<v Speaker 3>the best standards uh in the country. Standards aren't going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>This is simply about providing educational equity for those students

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<v Speaker 3>who can't pass that one time event.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Dev McCarthy is our guest, She says, vote

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<v Speaker 2>yes on two which would get which would get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of the m cast passing score requirement to graduate. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the way I understand it, which pretty much says to me, yea, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>passage score requirement to graduate. But yeah, all right, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to clear this up in a minute. Passing score

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<v Speaker 2>to graduate four kids who suffer learning disabilities? Correct?

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, There is nothing in the language that says kids

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<v Speaker 3>who stuff learning dis So what you're saying, So.

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<v Speaker 2>What you're saying if a kid flunks the m CAST,

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<v Speaker 2>they should still be able to graduate.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I saying that a student too flunks the m

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<v Speaker 3>CAST and meets all of the requirements ninth grade through twelve,

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<v Speaker 3>they meet all of the metrics, pass all of their classes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I think they should be able to get based upon

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<v Speaker 3>their high school to POMA.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I said at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got four years the English've got to do this

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<v Speaker 3>three years, go ahead. I'm missing something, that's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>But if that's the case, what's the point of evening

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<v Speaker 2>at me.

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<v Speaker 3>Why are you yelling at me? Because I'm not the

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<v Speaker 3>one who says you have to have the m CAST.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's don't yelling at me? I'm not I understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the point is is you came on. You came

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<v Speaker 2>on and you said that it should be what what

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<v Speaker 2>the what the situation says, if you flunk the m

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<v Speaker 2>cast and you have a learning disability, you should you're

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<v Speaker 2>allowed still to graduate. Now you're saying if you have

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at cash, That's what you said to

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<v Speaker 2>me at the top of the show. That's what you said.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I do believe that if you if you do

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<v Speaker 3>not pass the m CAST, I believe you should get

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<v Speaker 3>a high school diploma if you meet the metrics that

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<v Speaker 3>are in place.

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<v Speaker 2>So why even have it? So I don't even understand

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<v Speaker 2>this question.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't argue about why. I'm not the one who

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<v Speaker 3>has brought the m CAST forward as a state requirement.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a law. That's not me. I'm just trying to

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<v Speaker 3>provide equity to the students. And it's not just me.

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<v Speaker 3>This is thousands and thousands and thousands of parents and

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<v Speaker 3>educators and community activists like the support on this. We

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<v Speaker 3>can't even keep up with the signs because every time

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<v Speaker 3>we turn around and get another yes on tu signs,

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<v Speaker 3>they're gone. You can't keep up. People are really engaged

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<v Speaker 3>in this issue, and so it's this isn't a me thing.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a coalition of educators, parents and former students

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<v Speaker 3>who are asking that they be so much more than

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<v Speaker 3>a one time test score.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes on two says thank you, just so, just

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<v Speaker 2>so I understand, because yes on two says, if you

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<v Speaker 2>flunk the m CASH you should still be able to graduate. Period.

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<v Speaker 3>It says that if you meet the metrics, the course requirements.

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<v Speaker 2>And flunk the m CASH, you could still graduate, and you.

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<v Speaker 3>Do not pass a one time test score, you would

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<v Speaker 3>still get a diploma. Currently, you have students who do

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<v Speaker 3>everything that they need to do as freshmen, do everything

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<v Speaker 3>that they need to do with software right, do everything

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<v Speaker 3>that they need to do as juniors, and do everything

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<v Speaker 3>that they need to do as seniors, and then they

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<v Speaker 3>get the MCAST score and that some of these kids

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<v Speaker 3>are only four points off, some are six points.

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<v Speaker 2>What if they what if they plug two sections of.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, you can pass two sections and only flunk

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<v Speaker 3>one and you still can't get the diploma.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is if you if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Say three different tests, it's three different tests. It's not sections.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a math test, right, there's an e l A test,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's a science test. And so one of the

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<v Speaker 3>things that you see a lot is like really strong

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<v Speaker 3>science students who do really good on the science test, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and they do really good on the math test.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand they may not do.

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<v Speaker 3>So good on the e l A test. Yes, they

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<v Speaker 3>would be denied a diploma. They could be a straight

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<v Speaker 3>A math student, they could be a straight A science student.

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<v Speaker 3>But if writing was not their four K. Let's say

420
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<v Speaker 3>they were a dyslexic learner. Let's say they were a

421
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<v Speaker 3>student on an IP. Let's say they were a student

422
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<v Speaker 3>that had only been over here for two years and

423
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<v Speaker 3>hadn't mastered the English language. Even though they passed math,

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<v Speaker 3>even though they passed science, and even though they had

425
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<v Speaker 3>good grades, they could not get a diploma because they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't pass the English test.

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<v Speaker 2>What if they flunk two out of the three?

428
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<v Speaker 3>Still no tests, Still no, no, don't make a difference.

429
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<v Speaker 3>You could have. We have a story of a kid

430
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<v Speaker 3>who was a class valedictorian in a sub class. He

431
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<v Speaker 3>had that pulled away from him because he didn't pass it.

432
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<v Speaker 3>So you have to pass it doesn't make a difference.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what we're saying, is.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I understand that, but you don't understand my question.

435
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<v Speaker 2>My question was if they flugged two three, if they

436
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<v Speaker 2>flunk two out of three, does that change your mind

437
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<v Speaker 2>at all? Like if they plugged two out of three,

438
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<v Speaker 2>would you be like, oh wow, they flugged two out

439
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<v Speaker 2>of three. That's a different story than flunking one out

440
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<v Speaker 2>of three.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm here to talk about the question and what

442
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<v Speaker 3>the question does. And the question allows students to get

443
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<v Speaker 3>a high school diploma based upon their academic performance grades

444
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<v Speaker 3>nine through twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, okay, thank you very much for your time.

446
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<v Speaker 3>I oh, thank you. It nice to meet you.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's nice to me too. That was extremely painful.

448
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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you, though it sounds like I didn't,

449
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<v Speaker 2>But I agree with you one hundred percent. I don't

450
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<v Speaker 2>see why we have the m cast at all. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much. Deb. We appreciate the phone call. I

452
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<v Speaker 2>we appreciate you coming on. So that's what yes, and too,

453
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<v Speaker 2>I want some parents to call in on this, you know,

454
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<v Speaker 2>and what do you think? I mean, I think if

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<v Speaker 2>you have a good student and they flunked the M

456
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<v Speaker 2>cast in the tenth grade and they can't graduate, I

457
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.160
<v Speaker 2>think that's dumb. And I don't think teachers like the

458
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:34.000
<v Speaker 2>m cast either. It just puts more pressure on them.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, Some calls on this coming up at six, one, seven, two, five, four,

460
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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty on WBZ.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's

462
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<v Speaker 1>news radio.

463
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I am such a hypocritic. Gary tanking way

464
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<v Speaker 2>for Dan Ray tonight. I said at the opening we

465
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<v Speaker 2>wanted to take calls. It talked to Deb McCarthy about

466
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<v Speaker 2>question two, which paraphrasing here, says, if you flunked the

467
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<v Speaker 2>M cast in the tenth grade, you can still graduate,

468
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<v Speaker 2>and I agreed with her, and I wanted to have

469
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<v Speaker 2>an intelligent conversation and I ended up yelling. So I

470
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<v Speaker 2>apologize because I got extremely confused on what her point

471
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<v Speaker 2>was though I agreed with it. And maybe it's on me,

472
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<v Speaker 2>but parents, what do you think of the M cast? Fortunately,

473
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<v Speaker 2>I've never really had to concern myself with it. I

474
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<v Speaker 2>was just not going to rob my producer, you know.

475
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<v Speaker 2>I always just thought it was a measuring device to

476
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<v Speaker 2>see how the school was doing, and that if I

477
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<v Speaker 2>really wasn't aware until we brought up this topic with

478
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<v Speaker 2>to have it on the show that if you did

479
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<v Speaker 2>not pass one of the elements of the m cast

480
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<v Speaker 2>in the tenth grade you couldn't graduate. That seems a

481
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:47.279
<v Speaker 2>little harsh to me. Let's talk to Paul about this

482
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 2>and task at Paul. You're up on WBC's night set.

483
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<v Speaker 2>How's it going?

484
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<v Speaker 3>Hey?

485
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<v Speaker 4>How you doing?

486
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<v Speaker 2>What's up?

487
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<v Speaker 4>Am I on?

488
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<v Speaker 2>You're on? All right?

489
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<v Speaker 4>Hey? What's the percentage of people who don't pass? Anyone

490
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<v Speaker 4>have that?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great question, and I should have asked her

492
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<v Speaker 2>on that cold check the old Google machine right now.

493
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<v Speaker 2>And while I do that, I'll ask you where do

494
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<v Speaker 2>you fall on this?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>I think that you gotta have some kind of way

497
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<v Speaker 4>of testing. You're going to make sure the teachers that

498
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<v Speaker 4>teach them well they should be teaching. I think that helps.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you need that, though? I mean, listen, if

500
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<v Speaker 2>you have a principle, if you have the administration was

501
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:30.480
<v Speaker 2>it was our educational system doing so crappy before that

502
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<v Speaker 2>that we needed the m CAST. I don't ever remember that,

503
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<v Speaker 2>And maybe I was just lucky because I had great teachers.

504
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:38.400
<v Speaker 2>I went to a great school system. Now, I went

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<v Speaker 2>to a school system in Main, Paul that was not

506
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<v Speaker 2>you know, Lincoln, Massachusetts or Wellesley, where it had an

507
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<v Speaker 2>unbelievable tax base. We actually, come to think about it,

508
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:50.319
<v Speaker 2>we had a get tax base because we had a

509
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<v Speaker 2>huge paper company that was like ninety five percent of

510
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the tax base. But I went to a small school

511
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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico, Maine, and my teachers were great. I didn't.

512
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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't understand it. I mean, I don't.

513
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<v Speaker 2>I just don't get it. Like if you's, are the

514
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<v Speaker 2>MCST simply a way of administrators covering their ass you

515
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? I mean, if you have a principal,

516
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<v Speaker 2>you have an assistant principal, you have a board, you

517
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<v Speaker 2>have the school board. Can't they decide if the teachers

518
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<v Speaker 2>are doing a good job. Why do we need a

519
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>standardized test to tell us if they are or not?

520
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Paul, can't you tell when you have a

521
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<v Speaker 2>good teacher or a bad teacher? Can't you? Why do

522
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<v Speaker 2>we need a test to tell us that? I never

523
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<v Speaker 2>understood it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they're actually teaching for the MCST, most of them probably.

525
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's good. You know, Paul, I

526
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.599
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's good because if you're teaching, if

527
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.319
<v Speaker 2>you're basically teaching kids to pass a test to keep

528
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:48.680
<v Speaker 2>your job, that's not good because that means that you're

529
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<v Speaker 2>not customizing your academic program to the kids in your

530
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<v Speaker 2>class like I'm teaching it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm they only teach English and English and the in that.

532
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<v Speaker 4>So what's the sense of taking your science classes? They

533
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.079
<v Speaker 4>don't or history? No one knows anything about history. You

534
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.640
<v Speaker 4>ask some people on the street something about history, who

535
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 4>was a certain president? They don't even know. So even

536
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<v Speaker 4>the standardized test of SAT is not even right. They

537
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<v Speaker 4>should have science and history, so I mean, you know,

538
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<v Speaker 4>you eliminate everything on that. So m cast are probably

539
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<v Speaker 4>showing that before you got out. Is they're trying to

540
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<v Speaker 4>round you up a get more round. Maybe I don't know.

541
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<v Speaker 4>I can't figure it out now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I will tell you this, and

543
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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the phone call. A lot of colleges dropping

544
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<v Speaker 2>SATs and standardized testing. You know, my kids are playing

545
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<v Speaker 2>for college SAT optional. Yeah, I mean my SAT scores sucked.

546
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do. I mean, I think my combined score

547
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:49.440
<v Speaker 2>is barely a thousand. I'm doing okay, I ain't grob

548
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<v Speaker 2>I did all right. You know it's look, folks, it

549
00:30:55.160 --> 00:31:00.359
<v Speaker 2>is about busting your ass and working hard. Okay, good

550
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<v Speaker 2>question by the collor Paul. One percent of the Massachusetts

551
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<v Speaker 2>students do not graduate from high school each year because

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<v Speaker 2>they did not pass the MCAST one percent. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a seven hundred kids. Seven hundred kids is a lot

554
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<v Speaker 2>a Massachusetts student did not graduate from high school because

555
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<v Speaker 2>they didn't pass the MCAST. One percent is a small number.

556
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<v Speaker 2>It's a small percentage, but seven hundred sounds like a

557
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<v Speaker 2>large number to me. I don't know. That's just I

558
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<v Speaker 2>don't know how you guys study habits, keeping deadlines and

559
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.119
<v Speaker 2>when I say reading, writing, arithmetic, of course I'm simplifying it.

560
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<v Speaker 2>I understand we have technology and computer sciences and the

561
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 2>way kids learn are different than they learned when I

562
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:52.720
<v Speaker 2>was a kid, and so forth and so on. I

563
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.880
<v Speaker 2>understand all that. Believe me, I get it. I mean, hell,

564
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>you got to teach AI in school. Now it's here, man,

565
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 2>it's here. How do you manage AI? How do you

566
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:07.599
<v Speaker 2>deal with Ai? AI writes term papers for kids, which

567
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:09.519
<v Speaker 2>that scares the hell out of me. It really does.

568
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Kids not being able to write scares it's but they don't.

569
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<v Speaker 2>They don't have to write, you know. I think most

570
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<v Speaker 2>parents don't even think twice about the m CAST. If

571
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:28.319
<v Speaker 2>your kid flugs, then you flip out. But I don't

572
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<v Speaker 2>think any of us think twice about it. They don't,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't. I've never seen the need for it. I

574
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<v Speaker 2>never have seen the need for it. And I've just

575
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<v Speaker 2>struck my shoulders. Okay, it's MCAST. Teachers have some days

576
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<v Speaker 2>off because you're taking the MCAST test. And believe me,

577
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<v Speaker 2>I am pro teacher. I am pro teacher. I think

578
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<v Speaker 2>we are very fortunate. My kids have had some fabulous teachers,

579
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<v Speaker 2>people that could have made a lot more money in

580
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<v Speaker 2>the private sector, and they choose to teach, and they

581
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.160
<v Speaker 2>don't make the money that they would have made if

582
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<v Speaker 2>they had gone in the business, or gone into the

583
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<v Speaker 2>law school or mid school or what have you. And

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that the majority of teachers are good. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just like any other profession, you're gonna have some bad ags,

586
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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have some bad apples. It's not gonna work out.

587
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<v Speaker 2>But I can't understand that if you're a teacher and

588
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<v Speaker 2>you've got the mcast looking over your shoulder. That's going

589
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>to kind of suck. It really does. I think it does,

590
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<v Speaker 2>and I think it was put in place to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure teachers do their job. Isn't that what the administration

592
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>is supposed to do? Isn't that what I'm paying taxes

593
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<v Speaker 2>for the administrators to do? Coming up at nine o'clock,

594
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<v Speaker 2>Chasing a true crime con man. This story is unbelievable.

595
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<v Speaker 2>It's a three part series streaming on Hulu, and we're

596
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<v Speaker 2>going to talk to the filmmaker Ben Selko about it.

597
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<v Speaker 2>That's all coming up at nine o'clock right here on

598
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<v Speaker 2>wb and Friday, Friday, nine o'clock, ten o'clock. Actually I

599
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<v Speaker 2>screwed this up. Ten o'clock. We have some special programming

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<v Speaker 2>for you. We have some special programming for you, and

601
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<v Speaker 2>I have more information on that coming up right here

602
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<v Speaker 2>on wbz's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World

604
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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio, Gary Tangway for

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Raid tonight, hanging out all this week.

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<v Speaker 2>As I mentioned, tomorrow night, we have a special special

607
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<v Speaker 2>segment coming up at ten o'clock tomorrow evening. We will

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<v Speaker 2>break down the Karen Read story now Karen Reid is

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<v Speaker 2>in an interview that she recorded prior to the trial,

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<v Speaker 2>or around the trial, maybe prior to the trial. I

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<v Speaker 2>think for ABC is going to air tomorrow, so we're

612
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<v Speaker 2>going to do some analysis of it. That's all gonna

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<v Speaker 2>happen with Attorney's Bill Kick Him and Bob George tomorrow night,

614
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<v Speaker 2>right here at ten o'clock on W will you will

615
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<v Speaker 2>have seen what Karen has to say about the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume there will be some new information and I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if this and we'll also talk to our attorneys

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<v Speaker 2>on how this is gonna help her possibly with the

619
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<v Speaker 2>upcoming trial. Now here's the thing, Okay, if there's there's

620
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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a new jury selection for this retrial, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna have to sit there and say, we did

622
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<v Speaker 2>not see this special with Karen Reid was talking to

623
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<v Speaker 2>ABC on twenty twenty about what went down in her opinion,

624
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<v Speaker 2>in her eyes, the way she remembers it, how you're

625
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<v Speaker 2>gonna pick a juror that won't see that, that's good

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<v Speaker 2>luck with that. So we're going to be doing a

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<v Speaker 2>little postgame analysis about that. I shouldn't say postgame analysis

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, a police officer died. We're gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>doing some post show analysis tomorrow night on the new

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<v Speaker 2>information we'll learn from the telecast, the broadcast of Karen

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<v Speaker 2>Reid on ABC with our attorneys Bob and Bill Bill

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<v Speaker 2>and Bob Bill kick him and Bob George right here

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<v Speaker 2>on WBC's Night Side. But just to wrap up again,

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<v Speaker 2>my thoughts on mcast is, I've just never understood why

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<v Speaker 2>we need him in the first place. We have to

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<v Speaker 2>trust our teachers. You have to give more support to teachers.

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<v Speaker 2>And again Deb McCarthy's joining us about voting us on

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<v Speaker 2>yes on two question two Mass ballot Question two, which

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<v Speaker 2>says to basically get rid of the MCAST passing score

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<v Speaker 2>as a requirement to graduate, Well, if you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to pass it to graduate, I guess the point in

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<v Speaker 2>having it is to measure how the educational system is doing,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what I understood it to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place. But then if it became a gateway to graduation,

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<v Speaker 2>if you do not pass all three elements of the

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<v Speaker 2>MCAST in your sophomore year in high school, you will

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<v Speaker 2>not graduate. Plus it's the tenth grade. What happens if

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<v Speaker 2>you get your act together, your junior and senior year.

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<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't this be taking place their senior year and they

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<v Speaker 2>should have an opportunity to retake it again. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand that if you flunk the MCAST your sophomore year

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<v Speaker 2>you can't graduate two years from now or two and

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<v Speaker 2>a half years from now. That doesn't make any sense

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<v Speaker 2>to me at all. I know some teachers were not

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<v Speaker 2>in favor of this because it's sort of a watchdog

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<v Speaker 2>thing on them that if the MCST grades in their

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<v Speaker 2>school are down, it's going to make them look bad,

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<v Speaker 2>which I can understand that. I think teaching is hard enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you need somebody looking over your shoulder. It's hard,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the educ Being an educator is really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Being an administrator in education is really hard. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a thankless job. The people that do it and do

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<v Speaker 2>it well, you should receive a medal. You don't get

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<v Speaker 2>paid enough. I understand you have off I understand you

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<v Speaker 2>can get out of school at three. I understand all that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I also know that there's a lot of work

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do behind the scenes. The things that

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<v Speaker 2>I still don't understand for teachers is where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when my kids were younger, they still buy supplies for

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<v Speaker 2>the school, or they'll come to us as parents and

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<v Speaker 2>they'll say, my god, I think I spent two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars on markers and notebooks when I went to school.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a number two pencil and a notebook, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was it. Because the schools aren't supplying it and

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers can't afford to pay it on their own.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when a teacher has to go out and buy

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<v Speaker 2>school supplies, that I don't understand at all. You know what,

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<v Speaker 2>can the m cast take the money you would save

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<v Speaker 2>from Cannon the m cast and buy the school supplies

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<v Speaker 2>so the teacher or the parent doesn't have to buy it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I say. Chasing a True crime. Con Man

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<v Speaker 2>and Celko, who directed this film It's Something Else, joins

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<v Speaker 2>us next here WBC