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Speaker 4: In just a moment, we've got a big name guest
today coming right back to talk Detroit revenue. We welcome
back to the show this guy and Max Bollman of
the Athletic talking Detroit Red Wings hockey.
Speaker 5: How you doing, Max doing very good, guys, Thanks for
having me on Man.
Speaker 3: We love talking Red Wings hockey with you. And here's
the deal with Detroit. They made real progress this year.
I don't know whether we're ready to start doubting the
plan or whether this is the way it's supposed to go.
They tied in standing's points with the last playoff team
this year, scoring the ninth most goals, six most power
play points power play goals in the league, on the
third best shooting percentage. That's not bad for a team
that finished twelve points out of the running last year.
Twenty sixth year before that, they made key editions last
year they made more of this offseason. They've got some
prospects on the way. The team that once had the
third longest playoff streak in NHL history has now followed
it up with the sixth longest drought and counting in
NHL history. Looked it up hopefully Wikipedia's right. Can we
expect the Wings will finally pay off their fans and
bring the playoffs to Little Caesars Arena this year? It's
a good question.
Speaker 5: I would say no, but I don't think it's out
of the question for them. I think that they there's
a little bit of turnover this year that they're gonna
have a little bit less salary cap space to go
around because they have raises due for Mortsider and Lucas Raymond.
Two of their big pieces that they've had on those
bargain entry level deals for the last three are now
gonna start making some real money here, and that leaves
a little bit less to go around. They replaced a
lot of the guys that dead left, and I think
there's some guys that are maybe better fits for their
roles than they had last year. Certainly the Steve Eisman
has believes that, and that's why maybe they made those moves.
But I see a team that's probably in pretty similar
territory to where they were last year, and I would
maybe take the low end of that they finished last year.
I think with ninety one, I'd take them right in
that same range eighty eight to ninety two, but I
would be on the lower end of that range. I'd
probably pick them eighty eight eighty nine.
Speaker 3: The team starts with Dylan Larkin, the Wings captain. He's
still in a prime and for the first time in
his career, Dylan Markin nudged over a point per game.
Season was marred by a stretch for an upper body
injury in December, a lower body injury in March, and
then he dealt with an offseason surgery that hopefully doesn't
delay the start of his season. Despite missing fourteen games,
he nearly led the team in goals above replacement in
offensive goals above replacement. In fact, he was in the
top twenty five of the NHL top ten in power
play points power play goals above replacement. With yet another
elite winger coming to the team, we'll get to him
in a minute. Could Larkin jump to his career year
this year as he do for maybe the ninety five
point season. I think that we're all hoping he gets
at one point.
Speaker 5: Ninety five is probably a little aggressive, but I think
I think if he stays healthy, every reason to believe
he's in the eighties, possibly well into the eighties, maybe
around eighty five eighty six, if he can stay healthy.
But that is the question and it has not been
a given in the past couple of seasons. He only
missed two games in twenty two twenty so that's what
you're hoping for. If he can play eighty games, yeah,
I think he's somewhere to run that eighty five point marker.
He's had the more talent around him. When the Red
Wings were going through the bottom out years of their rebuild,
there was a lot of question around is this guy
at number one center? And my feeling at that time
was yes, he just needs the pieces around him that
will get him too. The point totals that show that
he's in the number one center that has now happened.
You got Alex Dabrinkt, you got Lucas Raymond, you got
Patrick Kye not you allude to Vladimir Tarasenko. A lot
of different combinations they can throw in there with Dylan
Larkin that I think will work. The question is the health.
You mentioned the surgery. He's dealt with a few different
things over the last year, so that's what you're watching.
But I am a believer in Dylan Larkin and hip
for fantasy players that are wondering about his health, I
think that's really the only question of whether or not
he was on my team. Last year. I've played for
the first first time a really involved league. I had
played casually like a draft the team and forget about it.
But our staff had a league last year, so I
had him on mine and it went pretty well.
Speaker 3: Nice. Welcome Max, come on in, come into the DF clutter, sir,
You're welcome here. Let's talk about Patrick Kane the new
edition last year, and boy, anybody who thought the King
might be washed up after the surgeries that he had
was proven pretty wrong last year. In another tough offensive context.
I mean, they ended up quite good, but at the
circumstances he was coming into in this team, he put
up a ton of points forty seven and fifty games.
His standing points above replacement for sixty was about as
good as it's been any year since his art ross
and heart winning twenty fifteen and sixteen in terms of
that RAID stat Will Patrick Kean put up another great
late career year. Who will be a center? And could
we please have him play eighty two games or more
this year? Yeah?
Speaker 5: So I did a lot of questions there. So I
don't know about the center right. My gut going in
would be that he would probably play with JT. Komfor
I think that's where he spent a pretty good amount
of time when the Red Wings were really pushing late
last season. I think that their best line is to
brink a Lark and Raymond, but we never see the
same line for eighty two games. Obviously, they're going to
want to unite to brink it in Kane at certain
points to get one of the other going sometimes there's
going to be injuries. I think you'll see Kane with
Larkin at times. I think that worked well, but I
think it's probably not going to be one guy the
entire year. And obviously there is a drop off in
offensive ability from Larkin to their number two centers. JT.
Kom for really good player, he's not the offensive driver
that Dylan Larkin is obviously. As for Kane, I think
he does have another strong year, and he probably even
has a better year in him than he had last year.
And I think there are things that the speed hasn't
really come to where it was when he was in
his prime, and it probably won't. And he's obviously not
going to be in the corner winning a ton of battles.
But for fantasy purposes, unless you're in those bangers leagues
kind of thing, I don't think you care about that.
I think you care about the point totals. And there
was no reason to believe last year that Patrick Kane
is not capable of putting up near point per game numbers. Again,
he actually the goal scoring actually outpaced what I was
expecting of him, and he had twenty goals in fifty
games last year. That's outstanding. It's not that far up
a forty goal pace. I don't know that I see
a forty goal season for him, but if he can
be around thirty again for them and he can put
up forty plus assists, which I think is totally possible,
I think you continue to expect to see him on
PP one. I think there's another really productive year in
Starkip Patrick Kaydan, with a full year of training. It
may even be at a higher rate than last year.
Although he was mighty close to a point per game already.
Speaker 2: Nice, so I'd love to see that looking forward to that.
Another guy that was getting closer to a point per
game Lucas Raymond. He had a career year back to
back fifty to fifty seven point paces previously. Then he
shot up to seventy two. His time on ice was similar,
as was his powerfully time on ice. He did shoot
seven percent higher than his previous average. The rest of
his percentages were about right. Back in October, I wrote
this piece three p ring side trying to figure out
where Raymond would end up, and at the time we're
thinking would he be seventy closer to seventy or seventy
point per game. Now we see him at seventy two,
so we have a little bit more data. What do
we think now, Max? Is this kind of where we
think he'll live in the seventy point range or did
we think he can be point per game ish next
season and beyond?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think he's got another step in him. The
question is that shooting percentage that you allude to, right,
that's the key to all this. He shot nineteen percent.
I think we could agree that's probably not happening two
years in a row, so that's the key. But I
think he can make up for that with more volume.
When you look at kind of his numbers from last season,
one hundred and sixty three shots on goal. Yeah, it's
a little more than he had the year before, but
it's still less than he had as a rookie when
he had one hundred and eighty four shots on goal.
I think you want to see him in the two
hundred range, and if he can live there, I think
you're really happy with him. I think the talent wise,
he is still scratching the surface of what he can become.
I think that there's a lot more in him. From
that standpoint, you look at the way he finished some
of those games. He had a hatcher against Pittsburgh, he
was outstanding in those last two games against Montreal. He
looked like a guy who was realizing that he had
the ability to take over games when he needed to.
He has that feel for the moment. I know that
doesn't matter as much to fantasy people as the raw numbers,
but I think this is going to be a potential
star player in the NHL, and you just want to
see him get those shot totals up to maintain the production.
But I think it's within range for sure. You look
at Larkin, Dylan Larkin in the last three years two
twelve forty four, two twenty one shots shots on goal
per game. Lucas Raymond gets there. He's keeping up his numbers,
and I think he's probably adding a little bit to
that certainly, that I think is the path. It has
to come with shot volume, and I would imagine that's
going to be an emphasis for him.
Speaker 2: Awesome, we love to see it, and yeah, we're hoping
for it. Let's move on to the other guy, Alex
to brink It. Just as we are getting used to
seeing point per game, Alex to Brink it in Chicago.
He went to Ottawa and then Detroit, and he sagged
back to that sixty five ish point guy. His ice
time drops substantially in Detroit compared to his previous stops,
and I'm not sure how much that had to do
with it, but his power play IPP was really low,
so maybe he could get a little bit more luck
on the power play. The rest of his numbers were
sort of in line, so it might have just been
related to the lower ice time. I'm not sure, Max,
what do you think about to brink it in Detroit?
Can he get back to his power point per game
ways or do you think he's more just this sixty
five to seventy is point player.
Speaker 3: So the answer to both your.
Speaker 5: Questions is going to come down to the same thing.
Does he get the power play one usage now that
David Peran's gone. I think that's the minute. The lost
minute that you're looking for from Ottawa to Detroit is
the being power play two instead of power Play one.
I think that's the individual powerplay points that you're alluding to.
That's the key.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: I do think he probably lives in the sixty five
to seventy point range, but maybe with that extra power
play time you get a little bit of those points back,
maybe you would like to see him tick up and
be a thirty plus goal scorer. He certainly has that ability.
And if he's playing with Dylan Market and Lucas Raymond
for a good chunk of the year, which is how
I would do it, I don't know if that's how
they will do it, then I think there's a room
for more than that. I think it's a room for
seventy plus seventy five point kind of guy, thirty plus
goals and forty plus assists. But we'll have to see,
right I think he was the guy who had a
little bit of a shooting percentage dip last season, not
from the year before, but relative to his career average,
like his career evers fourteen he was at a eleven
point four. I think the Red Wings will tell you
hit a lot of posts. Some of that's just the
way it is. And I also think he's a guy
that scoring wise, you're just going to set your watch
between twenty seven and thirty five goals from here on out,
thirty five in the great years, twenty five in the
tougher years. So we'll see where it goes. I think
he's which is what you get player, and I think
that's a good player. It's probably not a guy you're
targeting in the first two three rounds of a fantasy draft,
but he's a really nice piece who will score goals.
And I do think we'll get more power play usage
this year than he got last year, which certainly helps
you in fantasy.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the new guy. Vladimir Tersenko has long
since kind of moved from that offensive center of attention
role that he had at times at Saint Louis to
really a very strong, complimentary scorer role. He's a very
good converter nearly fifteen percent shooting on a relatively low
expected goal count last year. He's good with hits, generally
over a hit per game, but his shot rate has
declined from four or three shots per game earlier in
his career. Last year he was down to about two.
All that said, Florida really didn't need him to be
a major offensive driver for that team. They're just so
loaded on offense. How does Tarasenko fit now into the
Wings context? And you see him more or less than
maybe a sixty point year this year. Sixty would be
a little ambitious for me.
Speaker 5: I think I probably see him in that middle six role.
Maybe he gets some time in the top six, but
I think you're more likely to see him probably as
a classic second line scorer type playing with Kane. That's
usually good for scorers, So that's your path to it there.
I think it's worth noting that you mentioned the volume stuff.
He did shoot at a pretty good clip last season
above fourteen percent at both Ottawa and Florida, so you
always wonder about that. I know he was playing his
off or his true side. I guess it would be
he's used to playing on his off side on the right.
He played it last year in Florida and Ottawa a
good amount on his left side, and I think that's
most likely what he'll have to do in Detroit. Maybe
we see some experimentation, but if he is playing with Caine,
you expect Kane to be on the right side and
Tarysnko maybe on the left. I wonder if that's maybe
a little bit of the lack of shooting that not
being on that one time or trigger side. And then
we'll see what the power play usage is for him too.
My gut would be probably power play two but we
haven't seen them rep anything in camp yet. We're still
six weeks from that, thank god, need a little bit
of downtime, but that I think will be revealing too.
If they see him as a guy that they are
playing on power Play one anywhere, then maybe you have
a little more room to approach that territory you were
talking about, Jesse. So we'll see. My guess is he's
somewhere in that kind of fifty to fifty five range again,
but we will we'll see what the role looks like,
with the deployment looks like to figure out more.
Speaker 3: We've mentioned him already a little bit. JT. Komper. He
comes in with the fourth most points or Detroit among
the returning players to the team, and last year he's
skated the most minutes of any forward on the Detroit
Red Wings. His first year in Detroit roughly matched his
last one in college. He actually got Silkie votes that
year for people who don't recall, he definitely had a
big role with the Red Wings, though has helped the
fantasy players. Tends to be rather minimal. That's he doesn't
tend to put up a lot of the counting stats
we're looking for and he bounced around a little bit
between different line mates. You talked about how they were
a bit flexible with some of those top lines, but
he was mostly a top six guy. It would appear
last year. What is jt. Kopfor going to be doing
or what will his part be on the twenty four
to twenty five Wings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I certainly expect him to stay in a top
six role. He is their number two center. The big
question I think you're going to circle if you're considering
him for fantasy, which is probably more like the later rounds,
like you said, is the shooting percentage. It was seventeen
point six percent last year, above his career high. That's
really true of the Red Wings as a whole, and
something that fantasy managers are probably well aware of that
they have the third highest team shooting percentage last year
eleven point six percent. We've referenced it on a few
individual guys that this year for fans who don't know,
usually the meetiing of the league is right around ten percent,
So you do expect a little bit of a dip
in their conversion rate. That doesn't just affect the individual
guys we're talking about. It affects the assist numbers. Even
if there's a guy like Alex to Breakhet who's not
shooting quite his career average, maybe he's getting a few
less assists. Even if he so, it probably washes out
for him there too, So comfer I think though, is
one of the guys on the goal side. You had
a career high in goals last year with nineteen. You'd
love it if you're Detroit if he can do that again.
But I think probably safer to expect somewhere more like
twelve to fifteen goals from And if you continue to
get more with the high ice time, that's great, but
probably don't plan on getting twenty goals from and plan
on more like fifteen. And like you said, you're not
building your team around to JT komfor. But he has
a guy that I think you can stream depending on
your league format. You can stream on one of those
Sunday games that you're just looking for something, and he
gives you a chance at a couple points because he
is going to play with really good players in the
top six, and that usually gives you a chance to
din assists, maybe even a goal.
Speaker 2: All Right, we've reached the depth part of the forwards.
So I'm going to give these guys too as a
pick them, but also feel free to spand on their
role a little bit. But between these three, who do
you think will score more Jonathan Bergran, Joe Valeno and
Michael Rasmussen. So Bergran scored over a point per game
in the AHL last season and has just about since
he arrived, but only at twelve NHL games this season.
He's also currently in RFA, so I'm not sure those
twelve games help us understand any better who he can
be in the NHL. That was a little interesting to me.
Valano has two more years at two point two seventy
five million, He's been no more than a thirty point
paced guy and has paid play two hundred thirty two
games in the NHL, so he might be who he
is at this point. And Rasmussen has the best point
pace of the three, but it's still only forty two
and not that great. So between these three, who do
you think is going to get the most next season
and what kind of role do you think they'll play?
Speaker 5: I would take Rasmussen for this reason. Bergran is the
most offensively talented player of the ones you just mentioned,
but I think he's going to get the least minutes.
He's probably got the most work to do to earn
the trust of the coaching staff. He does have a
path to power play time, so that is one thing
to watch. I think there's a pretty decent path actually
to him getting second power play time. But I think
he's the one who's also the most liable to lose
his spot or be a scratch on a given night.
I think Rasmussen has the most trust from the coaches.
I think he's got the clearest path to a fifteen
to sixteen minute a night roll. Like you said, he's
got the track record of having done it. I still
think there's maybe even a little more offense in him
than what we've seen so far, especially around the net.
I don't know that he's going to get power play time.
It seems like that ship may have sailed for him,
But he's the one that you know, other than injury,
you can set your watch to him getting consistent fifteen
plus minutes in a night that that line is really trusted,
especially if he plays with cop and maybe it's Christian
Fisher again, maybe one of these rookies, Marco Kasper, Carter
Maser comes up and they add a little bit to
that line too. I would go with Rasmussen for the
high floor. I think there's maybe a little more than
what he's shown so far, and just knowing that he's
going to be in the lineup like that, that's probably
how I would work it out. Even though if you
could guarantee me that Berger was going to get the
same ice time as rast, you'd take him. But I don't.
You can't guarantee that, and I actually would bet against it.
So I'd go with Rasmussen for that reason, especially if
you do play in a league that cares about hits, block, shots,
and penalty because he's definitely gonna rack up a few
extra points for you there.
Speaker 3: Moving to the blue line, first up, we've got most sidier.
He is still in the negotiations for contract. Oh please,
let's hope we get this out before that happens, so
we don't end up sound as silly for whatever we
do here. But he basically repeated his stat line last year.
He played every game, He's a little under two shots
a game, close to three hits and three blocks, exactly
forty two points two years in a row. I guess
that's good. It's a very good season. But if you're
looking for the superstar potential, I don't know where is
the cement dry on this guy. How is his game
trajectory going and what is this role in a team
that now has a vacancy on powerplay one.
Speaker 5: That's the question. So you talk about the identical production
two years in a row, it's more impressive than he
did it last year because he did it without power
play one. Shane Gossip spear ran that power play last
year to very great effect, and Cider doing what he
did was a the result again of a little bit
higher shooting percentage. I think it was nearly double what
it had been the year before, but be also just
more evolution I think than and part of was just
better team context. Then it always get credit for it.
He plays the toughest minutes in the NHL, and that
is not what you want to hear for fantasy necessarily.
But I think they do need to probably make life
a little bit easier on him than what they did
last year. Even if he's still playing the hardest minutes
in the league. It doesn't need to be by the
wide margin that it was, although maybe it does for
them to win and that's what it is. But I
think you'll see a little more comfort in that. I
think you'll see probably a little more power play one
time than he got this year, even if Eric Gustafson
maybe stands to inherit that a little more. Obviously, it
certainly as familiar with Kanaan not to brink it from
their time in Chicago together.
Speaker 3: So is the cement dry?
Speaker 5: I would say no, I think Cider's gotten better every
single year, even if the point totals and some of
those cute little stat cards people love to float around
on Twitter might not tell you that. I think he's
gotten better every single year, and I think he'll continue
to get better for the next couple. I don't think
he's going to be a Kel mccarr a Quinn Hughes.
I think we could probably say that at this point,
but I still think there's a world where he can
evolve into's kind of a Charlie macavoy type for the
Red Wings, and I think that's what you're looking for
from him.
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned Eric Gustason, and that's interesting. Yeah, power
play opportunity I suppose for him. You know, over the years,
if you look at kind of some of his stats.
He's a he's experienced, he's solid. He's not a sieve
on defense, He's not a nothing on offense. He's been
on a wide variety of teams and had different levels
of deployment at his different stops. If you were just
looking at the history, I mean, my first guest would
be he'd be just a steady second pair guy who
wouldn't put up a ton of stats, but would fill
an important role for Detroit. But is that where he
turns out or is he going to have an opportunity
maybe to step into a more offensive role.
Speaker 5: I think he's going to be in a sheltered third
pair role, like similar to what Gossip Bear was in
last year, and that is tend to be good for offense,
and I think he will get some power play time.
We'll see who ends up getting more power play one
between him and more Excider. That's the big question that
we're not going to really know until the season begins,
and possibly until two to three months into the season.
But I think he's going to be in a similar
position to what Gossip Spear was in, playing with oly
Mada most likely on that third pair, maybe a little
bit of Albert Johansson if they work him in, And
obviously injuries can change anything, but my guess would be
at five on five he's the third pair, and then
he does get at least a healthy amount of PP one.
I talked about the familiarity with Canaan to Brinkt. I
think he had seventy points that season when he was
with those two guys in Chicago, and so that tells
you that there was something working about that power play
chemistry that those guys had. I don't expect seventy points
from him, I'll say that, but would it shock me
if he's back into the forty plus territory with the
Red Wings getting a good amount of power play time.
That would not surprise me at all.
Speaker 2: And then we're going to talk about Simo and Edmonson.
And I said before the end of the season debacle
that if Edmondson had been in the Red Wings lineup
from day one, they would have made the playoffs. Obviously
we don't know if that would have happened, but his
defensive impacts were easily better than just about every other
defender except First Polimata, and way better than Ben Schrod,
Jeff Petrie and Justin Hull, and we've seen him excel
in the AHL as well. I think it's pretty he's
done excellent there and he's so far the small sample
size results in the NHL have been great. Max. Are
we finally going to see Edmonson full time in the
NHL this season and what can we expect from him?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: And I agree with you. I think that they missed
the playoffs by a point. I think he was worth
at least a point to that team last year. I
was equally surprised that he didn't get more run with
them fantasy wise. That's the thing. I think people have
an idea about Edvonson as being one of these offensive defensemen,
and I understand where it comes from. He's highly mobile,
he's very good with his stick. He can score, But
I think his role is going to be more of
that being that big six to six defensive stopper that
I think he is so uniquely suited to being. He's
got a really good defensive stick. Obviously, there's always going
to be a tie in place for him to use
his skill, to use his instincts to activate and be aggressive.
He scored a great goal in Toronto late in the
year that I think was indicative of what he can
do off the give and go, and he's got a
good shot and all that, but I think he's more
the type that's going to be in that kind of
thirty to forty point range for most of his career.
Does he get there right away?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think he's got some power play too ability, but
I wouldn't put him ahead of gust of center Sider
if both of those guys are healthy, and I wouldn't
expect that Detroit's going to do that. I'm a big
believer in Simon Edvanson as like a twenty two plus
minute a night defenseman for a really long time. I
think he's going to be an excellent player, and because
of the puck skills in the skating, there is that
upside to be way more productive than what I just said.
But I think where he's most valuable is by just
using his skating to kill transition to crush guys behind
the net. He showed more physicality than he has before
and really to a skate pressure behind the net be
a breakout machine for them. I think he's going to
be an exceptionally valuable defenseman in the NHL, probably not
quite as much, especially right away in fantasy hockey, but
we'll see over time how that progresses. Because he's got
really all the talent I think that you could want
in the defenseman. I just think he's probably best suited
to play a little more of that five on five
play driver role more so than the point tallying role.
Speaker 2: Very true. Often in fantasy we say guy like that
are too good for their own good, they get put
in the defensive roles, And I agree with you there.
So let's move over to the goalies now. The Red
Wings were twenty fourth and expected goal against for sixty
conceded the twenty seventh actual goals against. Neither of these
are good playoff team numbers. Raymer played twenty five games.
He's gone, we don't need to spend much time on him,
but he easily had the worst of the goal save
above expected. Alex Lyon played the most goals, and his
goals save above expected was the second worst. He also
has one more year at nine hundred thousand, who's only
played nineteen games. The number these game numbers have been
limited by injury for him, but he had pretty decent
numbers when he did play.
Speaker 5: Then to confuse.
Speaker 2: The issue Isierman acquired Jack Campbell probably not a factor,
and Cam tal it to crowd the crease even more.
I'm really confused as of what's going to happen in Detroit,
maxus Year. I know you've mentioned it previously on other shows,
but it just seems like this is a very crowded
net and who is going to emerge and what do
we expect from these guys going into the six season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the biggest complicating factor is Whoso's health
right like that he's getting paid the most money, and
I think they paid him that money because they did
believe that he had a path to becoming like a
good starter for them, and I think he was for
the first half of his first season, and then he
got overworked and then some injury stuff has popped up
and it's gotten a little away from him, and that's
where you see them bring in a guy like Cam Talbot, who,
as we stand here today, would be my pick to
get the Lion's share of the games for them, not
in a heavy way. I don't even know if it
will be the majority of the games, but in terms
of the plurality, he would be my guess I'm curious
how he will respond to going from an excellent defensive
environment in Los Angeles to a less than excellent defensive
environment in Detroit. We've seen that bite people before, and
I think there's a real candidate, He is a real
candidate to have that happen this season. Alex Lyon, I
think you know what you're getting with him. I think
he's a really good kind of one B goalie, best
suited to play thirty to forty games for you, and
he can be really good, he can get really hot
for you. He can also have quieter stretches. But it's
not quite as much of a discrepancy as a guy
like Alex Nadalkovich, who is either going to be on
fire and stealing you two weeks of games or potentially
costing you a week of games kind of thing. And
so there's a little higher floor with Lyon, and I
don't think you sacrifice that much on the ceiling with
him compared to a guy like Nadelkovic. It's just the
workload is never going to be like a sixty game guy.
I don't think for him. I think he's just best
suited as that one bee and that's a really good
valuable piece for an NHL team, Probably again not what
you're building your fantasy team around, but if you're streaming
a guy and you just want a guy who you know, Hey,
this guy might get two starts this week, and if
they come on the right days, that can help me.
I do think Lion's a nice option who sows the
wild card because I think they like his style of goaltending.
It's just the healthcare question. And could I confidently tell
you he's starting more than twenty games this year. No,
but I think there's also a pathroom to start forty
five and if he stays healthy and gives him really
steady technical goaltending. So I'd stay away from the Red
Wings goalie room. I think maybe i'd take a late
rounder online just because I think he's got the easiest,
cleanest path to twenty five to thirty good starts. But
I think it's going to be a frustrating goalie room
to try and fantasy manage for fantasy managers.
Speaker 3: Well, tremendous, Max, This has been some great info on
the Red Wings. I think people know how to find you,
But just in case they don't, where should they check
out their work?
Speaker 5: Your work yeah, I'm on the Athletic at Theathletic dot com.
You can follow me on Twitter at m Underscore Boltman.
Like you said, I'm not that hard to find and
always happy to help people out if they've got fantasy questions.
You guys definitely keep the interest going in our sport
in some of the dog days of it when other
people tune out. So always appreciative of the fantasy players,
and that's one of the reasons I wanted to give
it a whirl last year. It was a pretty good time.
I cannot say that I was particular successful, so I
will give you that caveat, but.
Speaker 3: It's a matter of time. Thank you so much for
coming on. Max.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, guys, Thanks than Wolf.
Speaker 3: Then well that's good. Fire past up. Oh my goodness,
long long go with a cat quick grab. Now it's
your wingley goalie talk. But Kat Silverman, Kat's instincts.
Speaker 2: Time once again for Kat's instincts. With Kat Silverman and
gold mag we're talking at Red Wings prospect goalies, which means,
of course we have to start with Sebastian Kosa, who
was picked ahead of Jasper Wallstad our favorite, but he
is still in his own right a very good goalie,
and he was twenty twenty one first round pick, fifteenth overall,
six foot six two and nine pounds. He spent most
of last season in the EHL, which we agreed was
probably best for him, just to get a lot of reps,
not necessarily meaning anything bad for him. And he was
in the AHL full time this season and went really
well two point four one GA nine to thirteen SA percent.
Is also strong in the playoffs, which is something we
talked about earlier was not true for a scar Off.
He should be back in the HL next season. Plus,
the Red Wings have brought in give or take twenty
seven goalies on their roster, so there's a lot of
guys ahead of him. Actually, Jack Campbell in the HL
might be a good thing for COSA. I'm not sure.
Maybe there's some good mentorship there, maybe there's some help
on and off the ice. Last year we talked about
how we liked both Walsteat. We liked Walstet better than
Cosa and may have looked especially good and that dominant
admitton Oil Kings team. And you also talked previously about
how Cosa is kind of below that walstat at scar
Off night tier so looking at the hockey prospecting now
his equivalencies and the kind of thirty five percent range.
There's a couple of guys in this range, but cam
Ward is one that kind of sticks out as a
camp for him ended up being an average starter after
that first season where he won the Cup. So, kay,
what are your things to tell us about Spashian Kosa now?
Speaker 6: So I did watch a handful of games for him,
just trying to I went in with the most open
of hearts, just because I've been a little hard on
him in the past, and I think it was a
really good thing that he spent that full year in
the ECHL before making his way to the AHL, because
one of the things that we in the past have
talked about with him was that he looked a little slow.
He looked like he had decent positioning. He's obviously got
the size, but just didn't seem like he was able
to adapt and move during higher pressure situations if there
was a defensive breakdown in front of him. And that
made me a little nervous that if they threw him
directly into the AHL, we'd see him get lit up.
It would almost cause a problem with his with his
overall development trajectory set him back a little bit and
then keep him in the minors for a little too long,
which I know Red Wings fans were hoping they would
get to see him jump to the pros immediately, But
it looks like he did a good job using his
reps in the ECCHL to just get in that gameplay,
get those extra reps, work on solidifying his technique while
working on his conditioning a ton, because he looked a
lot faster in essentially every clip I saw of him
from this past season. He looked like he's got some
faster movement, his skating looks a little bit stronger. I
love the facts that he'll likely have Jack Campbell in
the Age felt with him next year because if there
is a goaltender who knows how to get through the
grind and both mentally improve your game and physically improve
it without getting lost, it's Jack Campbell. Be He has
been very open in the past about how he spent
so much time when he hit the pros, spent a
little too long in the Age al he was a
highly touted prospect. Felt like seeing some of his former
Team USA teammates making it to the pros before him,
like he needed to try and mimic their games, pulled
too much from too many goaltenders, lost any sense of
self that he had in his game, and then had
to really just clean house and start from scratch. And
so I think that having someone like that around to
help COSN remind him if he does get antsy or frustrated,
if he feels like he's not getting the opportunity he wants,
or he feels like his game needs to adapt even faster,
even further, you know, have someone there who says, I've
been through this, and this is how to remain patient.
This is how to stay true to your time technique
while allowing your game to improve organically. This is how
to help with your conditioning without trying to change up
your entire style to quote unquote seem more like in
NHL or so, I think that could be really good
for him. I think we are still ways away from
looking at the Red Wings as a powerhouse team. Again,
no offense to the Detroit Red Wings, but I think
he's a good goaltender to have in their system. I
don't think that means he should have been their first pick,
since famously there were other goaltenders right there that we
probably would have picked instead. But I think he is
at the very least going to be a successful goaltender
for them as long as he continues to look like
he has the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: Here A nice that's great stuff on Kosa. Let's move
on to the next guy. Kenneth Augustine the third or
you might know him as Trey Augustine. Everyone else now
you cat, I know you knew that. Drafted by the
Red Wings forty first overall in twenty twenty three, six foot,
one hundred and ninety pounds, had a fantastic season at
Michigan State. They battle to Michigan in the second round
overtime classic game could have gone either way, could have
been in the frozen four. Stellar numbers for US as
they won the U twenty World Junior Championship. He also
played for USA at the World the Men's Championship and
had pretty stellar numbers there. Last season.
Speaker 5: You talked about how it's really good having two goalies.
Speaker 2: With such different styles between Augustine and Kosa, and that's
still true, and they're one year older. He will be
back at Michigan State next season. He's still you know,
nineteen so he's got a ways to go. His equivalency
looking really good though he's he actually currently compares really
nicely to Spencer Night. And what do your instincts tell
us about Augustine.
Speaker 6: I think he's still really Like we've said, it's nice
having two promising goaltenders in your system who played very
different styles of game. I think that Augustine realize a
little more in situational awareness and positioning within the crease
because obviously he's not afforded the same net coverage that
Sebastian Kosa has. He's a much more nimble skater, a
much more agile goaltender. It was really nice getting to
see him essentially goes through three different tiers within the
last year. He played the collegiate level, looked great, played
the World Juniors looked great, played at World looked great.
That's like you mentioned Spencer Knight, someone who pomps well
to him statistically. I think that's something that Spencer Knight
had in his favor when we were looking at him
as a developing goaltender. He was someone who you could
look at him play at the USHL level, the National
Development Program level, against collegiate players, against other U twenty
players against World Championship players, and his game adapted really
well regardless of the quality of competition he was going
up against. And that's what we see from Trea Augustine
as well. He's a little bit more mobile than Spencer
Knight is almost more of a Drew Kameso type player.
But that's not necessarily a bad thing, and it's nice
having these two different styles within the Red Wings system
because they're a team in transition. So this is a
team that theoretically, by the time either Augustine or Sebastian
Coosa is ready for the NHL, we're going to see
a more distinct identity from the team, and we'll probably
see one of them emerges a slightly better fit for
the team's overall system. And we don't necessarily need to
know who that is right now. We just we have
two really good goaltenders in the system that regardless of
what the team's identity looks like in the next couple
of years, chances are they have a prospect goaltender who
fits up pretty well, which is not something that I
think every team.
Speaker 2: Right now can say definitely not. It seems like some
of the goalies in the system might not actually fit
there NTL system very well, even though they might be
a good prospect. So that's always something interesting to keep
in mind. Thanks Kat for giving us your instincts on
the Detroit Red Wings.
Speaker 5: Goalies dig.
Speaker 3: Good dynasty dig Troy Bred Wings. Addition, this is a
pretty good system victory. You ranked them tied for tenth
in the National Hockey League in your system rankings. It
starts out with a man who we were just hearing
about in the twenty twenty three draft. I do believe
you're no brainer. Who is it?
Speaker 2: That's right? Axel Soun Pelika twenty twenty three, seventeenth overall
pick five to eleven, one hundred and eighty five pounds,
right handed d After playing twenty two SHL games last season,
Asp played all thirty nine regular season games with Schalleftia
Aik in the SHL and put up eighteen points not bad,
then another seven and fourteen playoff games en route to
in SHL championship. That is pretty fantastic stuff for a
very young defenseman, and so very impressed with XL Sindy
and Pelika in that in that perspective. Along the way,
he helped Sweden win the silver medal at the U
twenty World Junior Championship and was named the best defenseman
in the tournament. So all of that is pretty great stuff.
Looking at Mitch Brown's tracking data at the World Junior Championship,
this was the perspective for ASP. He had a ninetieth
percentile overall. His transition game was also ninety. Defense was
a little bit lower at seventy six. Percentile on offense
was an eighty five four, so overall really good numbers.
Expected goals per sixty were was one of his best features,
and he shoots a lot, so that offense is great.
The expected primary assists and slot passes was definitely a
little bit lower, closer to average. Then his transition data
is just incredible, entries, exits, all of that very successful.
So overall the primary point involvement and the game score
very good. Not as good as getting plays to the middle,
but overall the advantages created were very high. And I
was looking at some of the offensive build up and
playmaking that he tracked, and it's interesting because according to
this data, ASP was much closer to Drew Fordesku an
R two Karku than he was to Dentimittachuck, and Lane Hudson,
so that was interesting. So Hudson Mataichuk were way better
than a lot than pretty much everyone else, and ASP
was closer to that average and like almost replacement level defenseman,
so that was interesting. Kind of depends on how you
look at the data, I guess, and of course very
small sample size. Looking at the FHL player card for ASP,
you can see that his shots are really high, his
hits are average, and his blocks are really low. His
goals for sixty really high, his assists closer to average.
So I'm always worried about players like this because you
love to see the goals, but from a defenseman that
tends to be not very reproducible and maybe have more variants.
So I hope that he builds up more of his
assists because that's easier for defenseman to replicate. All in all,
though pretty decent profile for a young defenseman on a
very the most successful SHL team this season, some of
his underlying numbers aren't quite as flattering. He had some
pretty good corsi in Fenwick, but his transition game in
the SHL, his high dangered chances in puck movement was
below average, So those disappointing. But let's find out a
little bit more about ASP from our FHL scout.
Speaker 3: It's our scout, Tony, my good buddy. Tony talking about
Axel Sanding Pelica, he says asks of the skating excellent, skating,
good edges, quick change of direction, passing and handling great
getting the puck out or passing to a teammate in
the offensive zone. Axel can do it all. Shooting not Axl. Sanding.
Pelica's strong suit mostly wrist or snap shots, but can
be effective. The IQ all far above average, no panic,
even fighting off a bigger player in front of the net.
Forard checking, Axl's usually in position, so not a lot
of Ford checking needed. According to Tony defense, he's positionally sound,
not a body style defense, but between skating, passing and
IQ able to keep the puck away from offensive players.
The best asset then for Tony is the skating and
the IQ. The biggest concern shooting, and maybe Size needs
to work on getting his shot on his own and
developing a harder shot. The top tier outcome here tier one,
number one, pair, number power play. Tony says, the sky's
a limit here. That's because the IQ is skating that
allows him to move along the blue line to find
an open lane or pass to get the puck into
the net. The median outcome let's say, maybe more of
a Tier three type guy spot power play duty six
seventh y somewhere in there. That's because if he loses
some of his skating an advantage as he goes up
in competition or does not improve shooting, this could happen.
Stylistic comparable. Tony goes with Quinn Hughes on this one
and finally says he really likes Saxel's game and hopes
everything works out so selfishly Tony can watch him for
years to come. At Little Caesar's Arena, Victor the Mason
Black NHL Rank King Pole puts Axel, Sandy and Pelica
against other recent high first round defenseman Kevin Korchinski of
the Chicago Blackhawks, and Korchinsky wins this one handily, sixty
three to thirty seven percent. Victor, is that the way
you rank him? Wow?
Speaker 2: This is a really hard one.
Speaker 5: Actually.
Speaker 2: Obviously we're seeing Korcchyinsky play now in the NHL. You're
excited about that. He's not necessarily getting the best opportunity.
There's Seth Jones there, there's some other competition internally, and
obviously lift Shunoff being there. Now Muddy's the waters a
little bit. But we have seen Korcchyinsky play really well internationally.
We've seen him play for that Seattle Thunderbirds team. He
was excellent, but I was always a little bit skeptical
of the high end output of the offense For Koorcchyinsky,
I think some of his other tools are really good. ASP,
on the other hand, we've seen him now play more
of a primary role on a really good team, but
he has I think more offensive acumen than does Korchynsky.
So I think I would take ASP here. We've also
heard from Max about just what's happening. We see most
Cider playing the most difficult minutes in the NHL. We're
seeing Simon Edvanson likely being cast into more of a
two way role. I think ASP is the one who
is destined to be this power play quarterback of the future,
So I think I would take I think I would
go against the grain here and take ASP. I really
like his his abilities and what he's shown internationally and
on the SHL, so I think I would take him.
I like his trajectory a little bit better his looking
at hockey prospecting, though it's hilarious because Korchynski up in
the seventy eight to sixty nine percent chance of being
a star of the last two seasons. That's really high.
ASP started at nine and went up to twenty percent.
But I think the fact that what he's doing in
the SHL to me is just much more impressive, So
I think I would still go with that. But just
to mention the hockey prospecting for ASP, some of his
what looked more like reasonable outcomes for him. Pavel Minschikov
is on here. Rasmus Sandin is another Swede who he
looks a lot alike, and we've seen what's happened with Sandin.
Think the biggest issue with Sandean is that all around
play that has been maybe not quite as good, and
he also didn't necessarily get the opportunity which may happen
to ASP. But I think San Dean's sending Pelika's all
around game is a little bit better than Rasmus Sandein's.
Looking at the j fresh card, ASP has eleven percent
chance of being a sart ninety eight percent chance of
being an NHL or so pretty much a lock there. Overall,
I think this is a really exciting prospect and they're
going to be lucky to be watching him for years
to come in Detroit.
Speaker 3: Very good. Next up, who's your need to know prospect picture?
Speaker 2: We already talked about Simon and Edvnson in the main
part of the show, because he's most likely going to
be in the NHL twenty twenty one sixth overall pick,
six six, two hundred sixteen pound left handed d back
to back over half point per game performances in the
AHL sixteen NHL games this season, as Max and I
talked about, he probably should have gotten more would have
been good for the team. Looking at his FHL player card,
you can see that his BASH was before he got
to the AHL. His BASH projected to be elite. In
the AHL, it looks like it's more average, so that's disappointing.
His shots, hits, and blocks are all right around average,
and actually his combined total is a little bit less,
so that's really disappointing. His goals and assists though much
better than they were previously and before he came to
the AHL. He's at eightieth percentile for both, so maybe
he can boost that up a little bit. His pims
are actually relatively high, so if you like that sort
of thing, that could be good. Well, let's hear a
little bit more about Sewan Evanson from our FRASL scout.
Speaker 3: Scouting report today is from Tony Simone edmanson skating. Smooth,
efficient skater looks effortless, passing and handling very good both
getting puck out of de zone to get teammate in
or pass shot toward the net. Shooting is decent. Needs
to work on this, but Tony thinks it'll come in time.
The IQ above average. Vision is excellent. Sometimes a little panic,
but he can usually recover for checking. Tony's seen him
for check when he has went deep into the offensive zone,
but usually he'll be responsible and not go to deep
get back to the D zone. Defense not a lot
of hits, but uses size well and tight and a
lot of stick work to take the puck away from
the opponent. So the best asset the size and the
hockey IQ. Skating would be third on the list. Biggest
concern knowing when to go into the deep O zone
or stay back. He can get beat going back to
the D zone. That will come with confidence and time.
He improved during the stretch Tony watched him, so the
top tier potential Tier two points wise, top four defenseman,
power play and penalty kill two. Justification is he has
the skill and ability, but still has to learn timing,
maybe a matter of slotting. Considers other departners being further
along like Morerit Cider, and if he he hits the
median outcome, it'll be a Tier three third pair. Maybe
a little bit of time on the power plane PK.
That's because he's got some inconsistencies, but again with confidence
in learning, hopefully he'll overcome that projection. The stylistic comparable
offensive side kil mccarr not as fast, but he makes
up for it with long, smooth strides and a defense
maybe a young Nick Lidstrom's let's call that a lower
lower rank based on Tony's assessment here, he's got a
chance to be a stalwart on the Wings blue line
for years to come and solidify the Wings Top two
de pair Mason Black, the NHL ranking sent out the poll.
It's going to be Simone Evanson versus our Jim Love Schoenoff.
My goodness, Simone Edmonson gets wiped off the map. Love
Schuonov seventy two point five percent, Edmonson twenty seven point
five percent. Victor, is that the way you would rank
these two?
Speaker 2: That's hard to go against the recent number two. Overall,
he does look very impressive, and yeah, I think I
probably would go with liftch you Enoff. I also really
agree with what Max said in the earlier part of
the show. I think that Edvonson where he is right now,
is going to be cast more as this shutdown kind
of defenseman, and I think that's possible for Lift Schoonov too,
but we don't know yet. And I think, as we
talk about with the funnel, there's more range of outcomes
for Lift Shoonoff right now, and it is still possible
that he ends up becoming a really excellent offensive defenceman,
but he might also end up getting cast more in
that two way role. So we just don't really know yet.
But I'll give it to Lift Schoenoff because the range
of outcomes are wider, and I think he could end
up flexing a lot more of his offensive ability, and
so I would give it that. Plus he has a
really high draft pedigree. He's going into this system where yeah,
there are a couple guys there that might be ahead
of him in terms of having more experience, but I
think he's the kind of cream that could push himself
to the top. So I could see Lift Suonoff being
a top pair defenseman and he could end up being
more like most cider and valuable, but not a ton
of power play time, maybe more like average or splitting time.
But I think it's more questionable for Lift Shoonoff, actually
for Edvonson. So I would take Lift shuon Off here. Yeah,
I would take Lift shoon Off here, and I think
that his points, his pnhly is maybe a little aggressive,
though like over eighty, I think that's probably a little unrealistic.
I think he's probably more like a fifty to sixty
point guy is pretty reasonable with upside for more. So, Yeah,
I like that. Looking at the hockey prospecting between these two,
Liftchuenoff has a seventy three percent chance of being a
star and Edvonson has always been in the teens because
of his early low production and before he got to
the SHL, he is a little bit lower. Looking at
Lift Shunoff, it seems pretty obvious from this model that
he's better also from the pn HLE model and looking
at some other reasonable comps for Edvonson Darnell Nurse, and
I think that's actually pretty realistic, especially based on what
Max was saying and thinking about the role, that he's
going to settle into being more of a matchup, being
more this physical guy who really like bangs in the
corner and gets the puck out. I think that he
could end up being pretty valuable in that sense if
he ends up bumping up those pririffs, which he did
show a predilection for in the SHL and part of
what made me so excited about him in the first place.
So I think Donald Nurse is actually a pretty good
comparable of who Edmondson could be.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 2: The j Fresh card is pretty pessimistic on Edmondson has
m just two percent chance of being a star ninety
eight percent chance of being an nhller, so that's a
little bit down on him. But overall I like Edmondson
a lot, but I do think he's going to settle
into being more of a priffs guy without so much
of the power play points and Victor.
Speaker 3: Lastly, who's your keep your eye on prospect.
Speaker 2: Keep your eye on is Nate Danielson twenty twenty three,
ninth overall pick six, two hundred and eighty seven pound,
right center. He's pretty old for his draft class. He
was on nineteen most of the season. He'll be in
the AHL next season. He's graduated from junior and looking
at last season that this was his last junior season.
He had forty one points in twenty eight games for
the Portland Winterhawks after he got traded from the Brandon
wie Kings, where he was about.
Speaker 5: A point per game.
Speaker 2: So this is the thing with Danielson is that he's
been stagnant around just over that point per game mark
the last three seasons, and so you'd expect a little
bit more improvement from him season to season. It didn't
quite happen. Although he was great for Portland in their
playoffs and he did get a couple of HL games
and for the Grand Rapid Griffins, which was nice to see,
and he didn't he looked okay, they didn't use him
too much. He was also at the World Juniors for
Canada three points in five games. That was pretty good
when you look at actually some of the tracking data
though it's like he was definitely one of the better
players in terms of expected primary points per sixty. He
was actually been the Will Smith territory, not too far
behind Ryan Leonard and some of the other high point producers,
so he was generating a lot it, just a lot
of it wasn't going in, so that was good for
Nate Danielson. Looking at his tracking data for Mitch Brown
from the World Juniors, his overall was a ninety second percentile.
Defense was the best part of his game, ninety fourth percentile,
transition game was good at eighty two, and offense at
ninetieth percentile, So some really good numbers there. I also
pulled all his tracking data from back in twenty twenty
twenty one, where his offense was really not great, but
his defense has always been one of the best things
about his game until this season. Actually, for some reason,
I'm not really sure why, but he was up in
the ninety fourth percentile last year with Brandon In this season,
his defense fell to the thirty second percentile, So I'm
not really sure what happened there. Maybe the team around him,
the context was just a little bit different, but it
seemed like his defensive game I actually got worse. According
to these charts. I'm sure there's some more contexts there
that's a little bit concerning. The other interesting thing is
that typically you see the offense trend in a better direction,
and it also got worse this season, still seventy six percentile,
but for a very old player, for his draft class,
you'd expect it to be much better. He's a September
twenty seventh, so just a couple weeks away from being
eligible for the previous draft. Looking at Nate Danielson's FHL card,
his shots are really high ninetieth percentile, and his hits
and blocks are also pretty good, making him a ninetieth
percentile overall for his bash, so that's really exciting. His
assists for sixty are also really high. Some of his
other play driving numbers are all really good, so even
though maybe some of his other numbers didn't look so good,
he was driving play and getting pucked to the hid
danger areas really well. Well, let's hear a little bit
more about Nate Danielson from her EVERHL scout, Jesse he.
Speaker 3: Hl scout Tony has this to say about Nate Danielson.
He's a powerful skater with speed and agility passing and handled,
very good passer, puck handler, especially off the rush. Shooting
is as well, with ability to create his own shot
and score off the rush. IQ he sees the ice
very well, very very good. IQ seems to be in
the right place at the right time for checking somewhat
well four check responsible on both ends of the ice.
Defense great, anticipates well, is willing to for check give
his own opportunity to make a smart play. So the
best asset was the skating. Also the IQ passing right
up there. Biggest concern. Not a lot of bash, but
as he gets stronger, that could change top tier potential,
Tier one, top six for sure, plus power play and
penalty kill. That's because of well, everything Tony says, the skating,
the passing, the reading in the zone or on the rush,
all points to that possible outcome the fiftieth percentile, tier three,
third line defensive specialist and PK not power play. That's
if his good skills don't develop to the level that
they might otherwise stylistic comparable maybe a John Tavares and
Tony's final thought could be a really good player for
the Wings and seems to do everything pretty well. And
our friend Mason Black the NHL ranking sets out the poll.
It is the karate Kid versus the Champagne Nate Danielson
versus Andrew Christall, and Christall of the Washington Capitals comes
out ahead fifty six to forty four percent over Danielson.
Doesn't sound like a surprise given what you have just
been saying. You're victor. But is that the way that
you would order these.
Speaker 2: Two in fantasy? Definitely, I'm taking the Christal every day
of the week. I think he has much more upside.
He definitely has a lot more work to do to
round out his game. But Danielsen just strikes me as
a middle six center that I'm not sure is going
to be too exciting in the NHL, so that would
be my concern with him. Christall having a PNCHLI of
above eighty is really solid. He had a great season
with Kolowna, so I'm definitely taking Christall. Looking at the
hockey prospecting between these two, Danielsen trended down to just
ten percent chance of being a star and Christall remained
in the fifties, so from fifty eight to fifty four
percent chance of being a star, both of them around
a sixty to seventy percent chance of being in NHLer.
Looking at some other comps for Danielson, who seems realistic,
I pulled Matthew Perrot. I think Matthew pro is probably
a reasonable pick. He's an average producer, a middle six
guy who could move up and down your lineup. I
think that's probably who Danielson is. I'm not sure that
he dictates being at the top, but he is definitely
someone who is could be reliable to stick in the
lineup wherever is needed. And in terms of his j
Fresh card, eight percent chance of being a star, thirty
three percent chance of being in NHLer. So yeah, not
that exciting and overall, I think that's who Nate Danielson is.
But there is potential for more he could impress in
the AHL. It could be someone who does better with
more talent around him, So we'll have to wait and see.
But that's it for the Detroit Red Wings dig. If
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