WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:03.319 I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekenona Show 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:05.160 and welcome. 3 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:06.839 Back eron what's up Nanks for having me. 4 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:11.720 Yeah, yeah, always a pleasure, always a pleasure here to 5 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:15.800 do a reading. And I don't know, this may take 6 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:19.280 this will definitely take two, This could take three, So 7 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:23.920 people be people can be uh patient with us as 8 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:26.280 you're a very busy man to get you back on 9 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:29.480 and uh and do more of this. But this is 10 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:34.479 an essay kind of kind of popular. A lot of people, 11 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:39.119 even people on the left push a lot of people 12 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:40.759 on the left push this essay. But a lot of 13 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:43.119 people who like left the left or say the left 14 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:46.039 left them, and then they start coming over to the 15 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:48.880 center more or less. Oh, you have to read Repressive 16 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:52.840 Tolerance by Herbert Marcuse. So what do you What do 17 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:53.719 you know about him? 18 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:56.640 I know that very little other than that he was 19 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:00.880 he was a Frankfurt school guy now big in the 20 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:06.560 big in the sixties, leftist thinker, kind of a post Marxist. 21 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:11.359 Didn't wasn't wasn't too into the scientific socialism like I am, 22 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:16.719 but more of the socialist humanism and you know, just 23 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:21.760 different focuses, but focused a lot on culture and Praxis, 24 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:26.040 and you know, I did a little background on this 25 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:30.719 essay and him, and it's one of those things that 26 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:33.480 I think, I think it's perfect that we're having this 27 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:37.280 episode because I love peering into the enemy's plan book 28 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:39.920 and seeing what we can seeing what we can use. 29 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:43.480 Yep, yep. So let me do a quick little let's 30 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:49.840 do the Wikipedia. Marcus born July nineteenth, eighteen ninety eight 31 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:55.519 German German American died July twenty ninth, nineteen seventy nine 32 00:01:55.719 --> 00:02:00.120 German American philosophers, social critic, and political theorist, associated at 33 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.719 the Frankfort School of Critical Theory. Born in Berlin, Marcus 34 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:08.080 studied at the Humboldt University of Berlin and then at Freiburg, 35 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:11.520 where he received his PhD. Was a prominent figure in 36 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:15.199 the Frankfurt based Institute for Social Research, which later became 37 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:19.039 known as the Frankfurt School married YadA YadA. In his 38 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:23.840 written works, he criticized capitalism, modern technology, Soviet communism, and 39 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:29.680 popular culture, arguing that they represented new forms of social control. 40 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:33.800 Between forty three and fifty Marcus worked in the US 41 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:38.800 government service for the OSS Office Strategic Services, which is 42 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:43.919 the people don't Know precursor to this CIA, where he 43 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:46.960 criticized the ideology of the Communist Party of the Soviet 44 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:49.719 of the Soviet Union in the book Soviet Marxism, A 45 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:54.199 Critical Analysis, released in nineteen fifty eight. In the sixties 46 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.840 and seventies, he became known as the pre eminent theorist 47 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:01.199 of the New Left and the student movements of West Jerymany, France, 48 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:05.039 and the United States. Some consider him the father of 49 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:09.199 the New Left. His best known works are aeros and 50 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:15.080 Civilization and One Dimensional Man. His Marxist scholarship inspired many 51 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:20.000 radical intellectuals and political activists in the nineteen sixties and seventies, 52 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:25.960 both in the United States and internationally. So that's pretty 53 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:31.159 much where where we're at to start this out. And yeah, 54 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:36.960 this essay, I mean you just the title is, you know, 55 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.000 pregnant where you're just like, okay, what the hell's coming? 56 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:43.240 You know, So all right, let me share this and 57 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:50.879 we'll get it. Go. Oh both, that's not it. That's 58 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:56.639 the Wikipedia page there, it is, all right, stop me whenever, man, 59 00:03:56.960 --> 00:04:02.120 this is this starts out well. Repressive tolerance. Herbert Marcus 60 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:08.439 nineteen sixty five and he taught at Brandeis University. 61 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:10.199 Oh Wow, that's on the street from me. 62 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:11.919 Yeah, not a shock at all. 63 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:14.719 No nice neighborhood. 64 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.480 This essay examines the idea of tolerance in our advanced 65 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.120 industrial society. The conclusion reached is that the realization of 66 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:31.240 the objective of tolerance would call for intolerance toward prevailing policies, attitudes, opinions, 67 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:35.560 and the extension of tolerance to policies, attitudes, and opinions 68 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:37.959 which are outlawed or suppressed. 69 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:41.639 All right, we'll stop you right there. What is the 70 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:45.680 what is the end goal of tolerance? Is tolerance of 71 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:46.720 means or an end? 72 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:52.360 I should say, tolerance should be a means to achieving 73 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:56.759 whatever you wish? I mean, do you I mean, do 74 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.040 you want? What happens? 75 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.399 What happens when you and Shapiro is tolerance and means 76 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:02.920 or an end. 77 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:07.319 When you turn on Ben Shapiro, tolerance is whatever he 78 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:09.920 needs it to he needs it to be at the. 79 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:14.199 Moment, tolerance is the end goal. It's not. It's it's 80 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:17.959 not tolerance of what it's We just need to be tolerant. 81 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:21.839 And he'll tell it. People like him will tell you, 82 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:25.439 you know, if he'll he'll he'll invite a leftist on 83 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:30.560 a show, he'll invite a communist. It's it's really flipped 84 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:40.439 where lip you know, modern liberalism still still calls for tolerance, 85 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.399 but it's conservatism that's flipping the script saying, oh no, 86 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.879 we're the ones being shut down. So now they're the 87 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:51.680 ones calling for tolerance, and he's going to get into uh, 88 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:55.040 exactly why that's not going to work out well for them? 89 00:05:55.399 --> 00:06:01.120 Well, yeah, and tolerance always you can you use tolerance 90 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:03.600 to get where you want to go. I mean the 91 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.920 way that we've gotten to where we are from where 92 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:12.360 where this country was founded, where you make a lot 93 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:14.439 of people make the argument, you know, and it's true 94 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.839 the founders were you know, a lot of them were 95 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:20.759 steeped in the Enlightenment, but when it came to tolerance, 96 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:24.480 they were they were tolerant of certain things that about 97 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:28.240 their culture, about the culture that they created that they 98 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:32.199 live in. They were intolerant of other cultures. 99 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:36.120 There were there were cultural bumpers put yeah, you know 100 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.519 on the on the three by five index card of 101 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:40.079 allowable opinion. 102 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:48.000 Yes and uh and the by there being tolerance and 103 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:52.839 tolerance has always been used against the right so that 104 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:56.439 the left can basically just gain as much power as 105 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.000 it wants, and people on the right, you know, the question, 106 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:03.959 the question asked often, and I forget where where I 107 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:09.360 was having this conversation recently, is is why does the 108 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:13.399 right not want to Why does the right never want 109 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:16.279 to rule? Why does the right never want to Why 110 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:20.399 why do you never have a right with an iron fist? 111 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:22.360 You know that wants to roll with an iron fist. 112 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:27.279 And because most of the people who would call my 113 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:29.480 opinion is most of the people whould call themselves right 114 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:33.560 now have been completely possessed by leftism, by leftist by 115 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:35.639 leftist tolerance, by Enlightenment tolerance. 116 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:38.759 Yeah, yeah, but it's uh, that's going to be a 117 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:39.839 hard buck to break. 118 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:45.360 Yeah. Right. In other words, today tolerance appears again as 119 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.439 what it was in its origins at the beginning of 120 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:54.079 the modern period, a partisan goal, a subversive, liberating notion 121 00:07:54.439 --> 00:08:02.040 and practice. Yeah, and you just to scroll down here 122 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:05.879 to the definition of partisan because a lot of people 123 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:10.720 the modern version, the modern definition of partisan is pussy shit. 124 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.000 A partisan is someone who's prejudiced, prejudiced in favor of 125 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:20.759 a particular cause, and prejudice to the point where they're 126 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:22.639 they're willing to fight for that cause. 127 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.639 Yeah, you'd also call it activist now, yes. 128 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.920 Yeah. Conversely, what is proclaimed and practiced as tolerance today 129 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:36.320 is in many of its most effective manifestations serving the 130 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:37.679 cause of oppression. 131 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:39.840 Wow, he's just fucking bad. 132 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:45.559 In one thousand, the author is fully aware that at present, 133 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:50.279 no power, no authority, no government exists which would translate 134 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.759 liberating tolerance into practice. But he believes that it is 135 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.200 the task and duty of the intellectual to recall and 136 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:03.320 preserve historical possibility which seem to have become utopian possibilities. 137 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:07.120 That it is his task to break the concreteness of 138 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:10.679 oppression in order to open the mental space in which 139 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:15.240 the society can be recognized as what it is and does. 140 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:18.480 That's critical theory in a nutshell. 141 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:24.519 Ye. So, and this is just basically like the just 142 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.759 an outline. Now we get into the meat of the text. 143 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:36.200 So tolerance is an end in itself. The elimination of 144 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:39.639 violence and the reduction of suppression to the extent required 145 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:43.399 for protecting man and animals from cruelty and aggression are 146 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:49.039 preconditions for the condition of a humane society. 147 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:52.879 It's just a given, man, don't question it. 148 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:58.279 Such a society does not yet exist. Progress toward it 149 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:02.320 is perhaps more than before, are more than before arrested 150 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:07.080 by violence and suppression on a global scale. 151 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:10.480 I think I'm going to be pleasantly surprised at how 152 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:12.960 much I agree with this, but not for the reasons 153 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:13.440 he thanks. 154 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:22.720 And I would say that when he mentions utopia here, 155 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.120 when I say utopia, I don't mean I have my 156 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:33.320 own version of utopia. Utopia is getting the ideology in 157 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:38.320 reality that you want. Like so, if you have it 158 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:41.399 in the box, ideology you get. If you can get 159 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:46.480 it to exist in reality, you have utopia. My you know, 160 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:53.000 my understanding is you get My goal is to have 161 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:57.559 the best and most orderly society I can. Considering man's 162 00:10:57.559 --> 00:10:58.360 fallen nature. 163 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:04.279 It's funny because you know, he was working for the 164 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:08.240 precursor to the CIA in the late fifties early sixties 165 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:14.120 basically critiquing Soviet Communism, and it was at that precise 166 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:19.519 point in history that Soviet Communism was, you know, at 167 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:24.200 their apex in terms of you know, their comparability and 168 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:25.320 material conditions. 169 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:29.320 Totally, he's working for them from forty three to fifty, 170 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:32.320 so he's even got two years of World War Two 171 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:35.200 in there, and then and then the after and then 172 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:38.919 the aftermath, which is I mean, you want to talk 173 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:41.399 about one of the most interesting times in history, the 174 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:45.600 Soviet Union between nineteen forty five and nineteen fifty, not 175 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:52.159 only considering the the absolute horror that they imposed upon Germany, 176 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:56.960 but also the purging of a certain group from the 177 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:02.759 government that brought about the rise of the neo conservatives 178 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:03.480 in this country. 179 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:11.200 Yeah, the glass ceiling for the j words. Yeah, strictly imposed. 180 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:15.919 All right, as deterrence against nuclear war, as police action 181 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:19.960 against subversion, as technical aid in the fight against imperialism 182 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:25.000 and communism, as methods of pacification in neo colonial massacres, 183 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:30.799 violence and suppression are are promulgated, practiced, and defended by 184 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:34.759 democratic and authoritarian governments alike, and the people subjected to 185 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:39.399 these governments are educated to sustain such practices as necessary 186 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:43.279 for the preservation of the status quoz. He definitely was 187 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.559 educated in Germany. I mean, just look at that sentence. 188 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:52.039 It's such a German sentence. Structure, well, the structure of it. 189 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:56.399 But you wouldn't have to go you wouldn't have to 190 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:58.879 have too much of an imagination to replace all of 191 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.720 the things that he mentioned with current day things that 192 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:11.799 that we would mention instead of uh, wait, where is it? 193 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:17.039 It's nuclear war police action against the version technically in 194 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:22.080 the Yeah, I mean you could mention, you know, entire 195 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.919 groups of black kids beating on white kids. You could 196 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:32.000 mention surgical removal of genital genitalia. You know, take your pick, 197 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:35.320 go on your Twitter timeline and you can just take 198 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.519 those out and fill in with whatever you want. And 199 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:41.320 once again, we can we can agree with everything he's saying. 200 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:43.360 Mhm. 201 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:48.000 Tolerance is extended to policies, conditions, and modes of behavior 202 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:51.759 which should not be tolerated because they are impeding, if 203 00:13:51.799 --> 00:13:56.039 not destroying, the chances of creating an existence without fear 204 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.799 and misery. 205 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:04.279 So he's talking about culture. I know that most schools 206 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:07.399 of socialism don't like to talk about culture because it's 207 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:13.519 stockgrounded in materialism. It's transcendent. But he's talking about culture. 208 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:19.159 Yeah. This sort of tolerance strengthens the tyranny of the 209 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:26.840 majority against which authentic liberals protested authentic liberals. The political 210 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:30.840 locus of tolerance has changed. While it is more or 211 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.879 less quietly and constitutionally withdrawn from the opposition, it has 212 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:40.879 made compulsory behavior with respect to established policies. Tolerance has 213 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:45.440 turned from an active into a passive state, from practice 214 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:52.399 to nonpractice. Lais fair the constituted authorities. It is the 215 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.120 people who tolerate the government, which in turn tolerates opposition 216 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:00.759 within the framework determined by the constituted authorities. Is that's 217 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:06.799 what Chompsky invoking Chompsky would talk about right about that 218 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:13.360 six seven years later. Also, he's just basically he's he's 219 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:18.440 making arguments that I make all the time. The assebity 220 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:21.720 had posted to the way to save this country is 221 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:25.240 it was founded on the principles of liberty. We need 222 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:27.240 to go back to the way. The only way it's 223 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:30.000 gonna we're going to get it back is to go 224 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:32.120 back to the principles of liberty. And I just like 225 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:35.720 one sentence, maybe those principles are how we got here. 226 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:40.919 Is that an opposition within the framework determined by the 227 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:44.360 cost student authorities. We need to we need to roll 228 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:45.120 back the state. 229 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:54.639 Let's go tolerance toward that which is radically evil now 230 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.559 appears as good because it serves the cohesion of the 231 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:02.440 whole on the road to affluence and more affluence. The 232 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:08.399 toleration of the systematic, more moronization of children and adults 233 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:13.200 alike by publicity and propaganda, the release of destructiveness and 234 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:18.480 aggressive driving, the recruitment for the train and training of 235 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:23.519 special forces, the impotent and benevolent tolerance toward outright deception 236 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:29.919 in merchandising, waste, and planned obsolescence are not distortions and aberrations. 237 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:33.759 They are the essence of a system which fosters tolerance 238 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.159 as a means for perpetuating the struggle for existence and 239 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:41.840 suppressing the alternatives. Do you disagree with any of that? Peter? 240 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:44.279 Are we are we frank for school? Now? 241 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:48.799 Disagree with? 242 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:50.720 Are we frank for school? Socialists? 243 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:52.840 Now? Ship? 244 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:53.840 Oh? 245 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:58.080 Man? Isn't it amazing that once you know, if you're 246 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.440 one of those people who's on social media the time, 247 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:02.240 and you're like, oh, this is what I You know, 248 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.319 I learned about communism from a meme, Or I learned 249 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:08.799 about socialism from a meme. I learned about Marxism from 250 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.119 a meme. Once you start reading it, you know, I 251 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:13.440 learned about critical theory from a meme. Once you start 252 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:17.000 reading it, you're like, it's just like reading Marx. Oh 253 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:20.880 he's got it figured out. It's just his solution is 254 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:21.799 just shit. You know. 255 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:25.440 Yep, the prescription is exactly on point. 256 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:33.079 The authorities in education, morals, and psychology are vociferous against 257 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:37.480 the increase in juvenile delinquency. They are less vociferous against 258 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:41.759 the proud presentation in word and deed and pictures of 259 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:47.119 ever more powerful missiles, rockets, bombs, the mature delinquency of 260 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:48.559 a whole civilization. 261 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:54.640 Hmm, that's an interesting that that's smacks of bumple Ted. 262 00:17:55.720 --> 00:18:02.920 Yeah, yeah, there, Yeah, it really explains why Ted hates 263 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:09.119 the left so much. According to a dialectical proposition, it 264 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:13.240 is the whole which determines the truth, not in the 265 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:16.759 sense that the whole is prior or superior to its parts, 266 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:20.759 but in the sense that its structure and function determine 267 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:29.920 every particular condition and relation. Thus, within a repressive society, 268 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:34.160 even progressive movements threaten to turn into their opposite to 269 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:37.559 the degree to which they accept the rules of the game. 270 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:39.920 There's an Uncle Ted for you right there. 271 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:40.359 Yep. 272 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:47.720 To take a most controversial case, the exercise of political 273 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:52.079 rights such as voting, letter writing to the press, to senators, etc. 274 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:58.519 Protest demonstrations with a priori renunciation of counter violence in 275 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:02.960 a society of total administration serves to strengthen this administration 276 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.839 by testifying to the existence of democratic liberties which in 277 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:15.119 reality have changed their content and lost their effectiveness. In 278 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:19.480 such a case, freedom of opinion, of assembly of speech. 279 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:28.039 That's Sam France, Sam Francis, Yeah, managerial revolution. 280 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:33.279 In in such in such a case, are you thinking 281 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:39.559 Burnham or Francis? But as Francis wrote what I think 282 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.519 is the greatest book on Burnham. He wrote this little 283 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:47.480 book where he just does a commentary on every Burnham book. 284 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.200 It's one of my favorite books. Is it's just because 285 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.599 you get you know, Francis is so much closer to us, 286 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.319 and he was just such a great man. Mean, he 287 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:59.960 wrote for the USA today to a certain point, that's amazing. 288 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:05.680 In such a case, freedom of opinion, of assembly of 289 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:13.359 speech becomes an instrument for absolving servitude. And yet, and 290 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:18.400 I was just recording with Semi Agogue and we're talking 291 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:23.039 about the first paragraph of the Engineering of Consent by 292 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:27.480 Bernez where he talks about how freedom freedom of speech 293 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:31.880 within a society is just the greatest tool for being 294 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:39.359 able to engineer that society. Yeah, yeah, all right, okay, 295 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:43.720 And yet, and only here the dialectical proposition shows its 296 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:47.839 full intent. The existence and practice of these liberties remain 297 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:52.799 a precondition for the restoration of their original oppositional function, 298 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.680 provided that the effort to transcend their often self imposed 299 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:00.400 limitations is intense A five. 300 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:14.200 Wait, I need to I need to chew on that. Sorry, 301 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:18.720 i'mah yeah, I'm rolling that around a little bit. 302 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:21.480 All right. I'll if he's talking about the unit, if 303 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:24.240 he's specifically talking about the United States, he may just 304 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:28.200 be talking about how you you start by a revolution 305 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:36.599 and then basically you maybe your restoration of the original 306 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:40.799 oppositional function. Provided that the effort to transcend their limitations 307 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:46.799 is intensified, it reverts back to it. All right. 308 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:52.559 Yeah, so you have these liberties, you're bumping up against opposition, 309 00:21:53.839 --> 00:22:00.160 you know, the the proverbial bumpers, And the more you 310 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:05.319 bump up against the limitations imposed, the more intense the 311 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:09.200 bumping gets. I get it. 312 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.559 Generally, the function and value of tolerance depend on the 313 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:19.079 quality prevalent in the society in which tolerance is practiced. 314 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:26.079 Tolerance itself stands subject to overriding criteria, its range, and 315 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:30.000 its limits cannot be defined in terms of the respective society. 316 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:35.000 In other words, Tolerance is an end in itself only 317 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:38.799 when it is truly universal, practiced by the rulers as 318 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:41.440 well as by the rule, by the lords as well 319 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:44.680 as by the peasants, by the sheriffs as well as 320 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:45.759 by their victims. 321 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:50.839 Once again, that's called culture. It's not tolerance. That's culture, 322 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:52.039 fucking libs. 323 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:58.640 And such universal tolerance as possible only when no real 324 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:02.920 or alleged enemy requires in the national interest the education 325 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:06.400 and training of people in military violence and destruction. 326 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:08.400 Yeah, acab. 327 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:14.720 As long as these conditions do not prevail, the conditions 328 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:18.720 of tolerance are loaded. They are determined and defined by 329 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:24.480 the institutionalized inequality, which is certainly compatible with constitutional equality, 330 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:30.039 i e. By the class structure of society. In such 331 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:34.440 a society, tolerance is de facto limited on the dual 332 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:39.559 ground of legalized violence or suppression, police, armed forces, guards 333 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:42.960 of all sorts, and of the privileged position held by 334 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.680 the predominant interests and their connections. 335 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:49.440 I see no issue whatsoever. 336 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:57.720 Once again, these background limitations of tolerance are normally prior 337 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:03.519 to the explicit and judicial limitationations as defined by the courts, customs, governments, 338 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:07.480 et cetera. For example, quote unquote clear and present danger, 339 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:09.480 threat to national security. 340 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:13.359 Heresy, Ye can't yell nigger in a movie theater? 341 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:20.640 Well now I know, now, I know which little preview 342 00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:25.319 clip is not going to be on YouTube within the 343 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:26.559 framework such. 344 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:30.359 I'm saying, don't say that. 345 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.799 Within the framework of such, they wouldn't be able to 346 00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:48.839 hear you anyway, damn it. Oh, within the framework of 347 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:53.480 such a social structure, tolerance can be safe. Tolerance can 348 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:57.440 be safely practiced and proclaimed. It is of two kinds. 349 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:02.440 The passive toleration of entrench and established attitudes and ideas, 350 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:05.680 even if they're damaging effect on man and nature is evident. 351 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:10.240 And the active official tolerance granted to the right as 352 00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:13.079 well as to the left, to movements of aggression as 353 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:15.720 well as to movements of peace, to the party of 354 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.000 hate as well as to that of humanity. 355 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:23.279 Yep, that's right. That's now we're getting into it, this 356 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:27.000 whole idea that you know, those those cultural bumpers that 357 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:30.039 I was talking about. You need a bumper on the right, 358 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.720 but you need to remove the bumper on the left. 359 00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:37.599 So that way the direction, as you know, as you 360 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:40.200 and I and everybody else have said, the direction can 361 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:45.519 only go one way. That's that's what he's calling for. 362 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:52.599 I call this nonpartisan tolerance abstract or pure inasmuch as 363 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.200 it refrains from taking sides, but in doing so it 364 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:00.680 actually protects the already established machinery of the discrimination. 365 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:02.599 That's right, Silence is violence. 366 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:09.279 The tolerance, which enlarged the range and content of freedom 367 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:14.559 was always partisan, intolerant towards the protagonists of the repressive 368 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:19.640 status quo. The issue was only the degree and extent 369 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:24.759 of intolerance. In the firmly established liberal society of England 370 00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:28.519 and the United States, freedom of speech and assembly was 371 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:32.680 granted even to the radical enemies of society, provided they 372 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:36.480 did not make the transition from word to deed, from 373 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:44.920 speech to action. Remember the I forget who was it was? 374 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:49.640 It was, Chris Cuomo said on CNN during the summers 375 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:52.799 of twenty twenty. Where does it say in law that 376 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:57.519 the protesters can't get violent? As it's right here in 377 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:02.200 the constitution, It's like right right there. 378 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:05.880 Yeah, that's probably a lot of places in the criminal Code, 379 00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:11.160 I imagine too sure, But yeah, I know that's you know, 380 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:17.240 tolerance of repressive structures is in itself intolerant. Therefore, the 381 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:23.319 direction can only move left, because left means destroying oppressive 382 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:28.039 power structures, and the right means keeping them or building them. 383 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:36.519 Yeah, I wish all right. Relying on the effective background 384 00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:40.720 limitations imposed by its class structure, the society seemed to 385 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.759 practice general tolerance. But liberalists theory had already placed an 386 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:50.079 important condition on tolerance. It was to apply only to 387 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:54.720 human beings in the maturity of their faculties. John Stuart 388 00:27:54.759 --> 00:28:01.160 millt Yeah, where is this goingr that again then, But 389 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:05.200 liberalist theory has already placed an important condition on tolerance. 390 00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:08.400 It was to apply only to human beings in the 391 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:10.400 maturity of their faculties. 392 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.359 I don't know if I want to be frank for 393 00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:13.599 school anymore, pete. 394 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:20.119 John Stuart Mill does not only speak of children and minors. 395 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:25.119 He elaborates liberty as a principle has no application to 396 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.200 any state of things anterior to the time when mankind 397 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:35.160 have become capable of being improved by free and equal discussion. 398 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:42.519 Anterior to that time, men may still be barbarians, and 399 00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:47.720 despotism is a legitimate mode of government in dealing with barbarians, 400 00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:52.279 provided the end of the end be their improvement, and 401 00:28:52.319 --> 00:29:00.319 the means justified by actually affecting that end. We're going 402 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:01.359 to make men better. 403 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:07.960 Yeah, I mean you you have to have whatever whatever 404 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.480 you need to do to benefit the condition of mankind. 405 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:16.000 If that means a dictatorship, if that means a police state, 406 00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:22.759 if that means you know, uh, a military industrial complex 407 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.759 with a health a health care industrial complex with it. 408 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.400 If that is what you need to get to this 409 00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.680 betterment of mankind, then it is what it is. That's 410 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:35.079 That's not what markc Use is saying, but that's what 411 00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:36.799 Mills said. 412 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.839 Mills often quoted words have a less familiar implication, on 413 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:47.279 which their meaning depends the internal connection between liberty and truth. 414 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.839 There's a sense in which truth is the end of liberty, 415 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.400 and liberty must be defined and confined by truth. 416 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.799 Yeah. 417 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.599 Now, in what sense can liberty be for the sake 418 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:13.839 of truth? Liberty is self determination autonomy That is almost 419 00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:18.079 a tautology, but a tautology which results from a whole 420 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:20.640 series of synthetic judgments. 421 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:23.680 Wow, I like where this is going. 422 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:29.359 It stipulates the ability to determine one's own life, to 423 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:31.960 be able to determine what to do and what not 424 00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:36.359 to do, what to suffer and whatnot. But the subject 425 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:41.200 of this autonomy is never the contingent private individual as 426 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.480 that which he actually is or happens to be. It 427 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.839 is rather the individual as a human being who is 428 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.960 capable of being free with the others. 429 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:58.359 So this is getting into just Frankfurt School socialism's whole 430 00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:02.680 end goal is the pursuit of self actualization. It's the 431 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:07.720 removal of any impediment in that pursuit. So whether that 432 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:12.119 be material or cultural, which is what the Frankfurt School 433 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:17.480 focuses on, any any type of impediment towards self actualization. 434 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.839 How this, how this connects back to repressive toll. This 435 00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:26.839 idea of repressive tolerance is that you need you need 436 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.559 some type of practice, and he's going to get into 437 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.680 practice later, but some type of practice to remove those impediments, 438 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:41.079 meaning people like us, out of your way towards self actualization. 439 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:47.279 And the problem of making possible such a harmony between 440 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.519 every individual liberty and the other is not that of 441 00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:54.920 finding a compromise between competitors, or between freedom and law, 442 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.519 between general and individual interest, common and private welfare in 443 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:03.680 an estatelish society, but of creating the society in which 444 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:09.920 man is no longer enslaved by institutions which vitiate, which vitiate, vitiate? 445 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:14.519 I swear I know that word self determination from the beginning. 446 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.599 Let's go down and let me see that word appreciate. Yeah, 447 00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:24.319 to make ineffective. Okay, So basically lazada. But of creating 448 00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:27.000 the society in which man is no longer enslaved by 449 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:33.759 institutions which make ineffective self determination from the beginning. In 450 00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:37.440 other words, freedom is still to be created, even for 451 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.039 the freest of the existing societies. And the direction in 452 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.039 which it must be sought, and the institutional and cultural 453 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.039 changes which may help to attain the goal, are at 454 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:54.640 least in development, in developed civilization, comprehensible. That is to say, 455 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.000 they can be identified and projected on the basis of 456 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:00.759 experience by human reason. 457 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:05.079 You can point to an oppressive structure and say that 458 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:08.440 is inhibiting my pursuit of self actualization. 459 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.400 It opens It just throws open the doors to basically 460 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:19.279 any anything being repressive, anything be anything, anything I can 461 00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:21.240 think of is stopping my self. 462 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.160 Realism is permanent. 463 00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:29.119 Yes, yes, In the interplay of theory and practice, true 464 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:33.920 and false solutions become distinguishable, never with the evidence of necessity, 465 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.759 never as the positive. Only with a certainty of a 466 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:42.400 reasoned and reasonable chance, and with the persuasive force of 467 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:48.799 the negative. For the true positive is the society of 468 00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:53.880 the future and therefore beyond definition and determination, while the 469 00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:59.119 existing positive is that which must be surmounted open ended 470 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:04.319 progressives open there is no there is no goal. We 471 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.440 have this goal. It's completely unachievable, but we are going 472 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:09.360 to strive to do it. And it doesn't matter how 473 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:11.400 many tangents or rabbit drills it goes up. 474 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.440 I mean, we see this playing out every single day. 475 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.440 Once they get one thing they want, then it's onto 476 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:18.280 the next. 477 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.400 But the experience and understanding of the existence of the 478 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:27.159 existence society may well be capable of identifying what is 479 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:31.239 not conducive to a free and rational society, which impedes 480 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:36.679 and distorts the possibilities of its creation. Freedom is liberation 481 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:41.480 a specific historical process in theory and practice, and as 482 00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:46.159 such it has its right and wrong, its truth and falsehood. 483 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:51.079 So one thing that the Frankfurt School kind of improved 484 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:55.239 upon Orthodox Marxism is that it's a lot less rigid 485 00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:00.239 in defining the historical process and these stages of history 486 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.159 they're they're a lot more vague about it. And you 487 00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:07.599 can see this, I mean those that the last paragraph 488 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.159 that you just read is talking about this prop this 489 00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:15.239 arduous march towards true freedom. It really has no beginning 490 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:21.639 and endpoint. It's just a constant cycle. And I've listened 491 00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:24.400 to a couple of podcasters talking about this. But uh, 492 00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:28.400 like what the actual end goal is is? It depends 493 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.039 on depends on who you talk to. I mean we 494 00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:32.960 we did a reading of ucal ted and the the 495 00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:36.239 end goal is you know you're you're a meat your 496 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.360 transhumanist meatbag battery. 497 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:46.320 Yeah. The uncertainty of chance in this distinction does not 498 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:51.679 cancel the historical objectivity, but it necessitates freedom of thought 499 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:55.559 and expression as preconditions of finding the way to freedom. 500 00:35:56.119 --> 00:36:02.800 It necessitates tolerance. How However, the tolerance cannot be indiscriminate 501 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.920 and equal with respect to the contents of expression, neither 502 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.280 in word nor Indeed, it cannot protect false words and 503 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:16.840 wrong deeds which demonstrate that they contradict and counteract the 504 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:18.679 possibilities of liberation. 505 00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:23.039 That's right, that's the terms of service you signed a party. 506 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.880 Such indiscriminate tolerance is justified in harmless debates, in conversation 507 00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.599 and academic discussion. It is indispensable in the scientific enterprise, 508 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:40.199 in private religion, but society cannot be indiscriminate where the 509 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:45.679 pacification of existence, where the freedom and happiness themselves are 510 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:50.320 at stake. Here, certain things cannot be said, Certain ideas 511 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:54.960 cannot be expressed, certain policies cannot be proposed, Certain behavior 512 00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.679 cannot be permitted without making tolerance an instrument for the 513 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.400 continuation of servitude. 514 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:04.880 Man, I totally agree. 515 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.800 Man, this, I mean, you know, and then I've been 516 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.639 really it's really hard to like for me to sit 517 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.159 down and read a thousand page book, but I've really 518 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:18.840 been pouring over the authoritarian personality by Adorno and oh 519 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:31.760 this is this is all. It's just all right. The 520 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:37.239 danger of destructive tolerance, of benevolent neutrality towards art has 521 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:41.400 been recognized. The market which absorbs equally well, equally well, 522 00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:46.880 although with often quite sudden fluctuations art, anti art and 523 00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:52.320 non art, all possible conflicting styles schools forms, provides a 524 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:57.840 complacent receptacle, a friendly abyss in which the radical impact 525 00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:01.800 of art, the protest of art against the establishment reality, 526 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:03.480 is swallowed up. 527 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:08.880 Yeah. If everything's if everything is permitted, then nothing can 528 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:09.519 be radical. 529 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:17.119 Yeah, However, censorship of art and literature is regressive under 530 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:22.199 all circumstances. The authentic of war? Is it of war? 531 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:27.280 Or how the hell do you pronounce that? I should 532 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.360 have left that up before I read and just jump 533 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.840 over and read let Me Go twenty one? A work 534 00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:36.840 of art, music, or literature. It's a French word, of course, 535 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:43.280 where is it? There are cases where an authentic piece 536 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:48.159 of art carries a regressive political message. Dostoyevsky is a 537 00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:52.079 case in point. But then the message is canceled by 538 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:56.159 the work of art itself. The regressive political content is 539 00:38:56.239 --> 00:39:01.000 absorbed in the artistic work, in the work as literature. 540 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:10.119 Is that saying that? Is he saying in this paragraph 541 00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:14.880 that once art that art can be, can be completely 542 00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:21.079 you know, revolutionary, but as soon as it's accepted, you know, 543 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:25.079 like you know how you had artists in the sixties 544 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.280 who are just doing just absolute garbage and it was like, oh, 545 00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:32.760 you know, like like Andy Warhol was a complete degenerate, yeah, 546 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:34.960 and then all of a sudden, all these rich people 547 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.480 discovered him, and now it's not so edgy anymore. Is 548 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:42.039 that is is that the message is being relayed? Here 549 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:46.840 is how it just something can be revolutionary, but then 550 00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:50.239 it just becomes what it is, a piece of art, 551 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:51.400 a piece of literature. 552 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.920 Yeah, I guess in a in a truly tolerant society 553 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.559 where anything goes, then you know, even even if you 554 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:03.320 do put up you know, take take four Chan for like, 555 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:11.199 four Chan would be Marcus's Dostoyevski. If everything's permitted on 556 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:15.119 four Chan, then you, as a four chan consumer, like, 557 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.280 aren't going to be inspired by really anything on it? 558 00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:26.559 M M, yeah, all right, here we go. Tolerance of 559 00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:31.000 free speech is the way of improvement, of progress and liberation, 560 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:36.079 not because there is no objective truth and improvement must 561 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:40.079 necessarily be a compromise between a variety of opinions, but 562 00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.719 because there is an objective truth which can be discovered 563 00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:49.159 ascertained only in learning and comprehending that which, that which is, 564 00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:53.360 and that which can and ought to be done for 565 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:56.239 the sake of improving the lot of mankind. 566 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:04.039 It's just it's funny, how it's I wish we were 567 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:11.280 we had as much certain certainty and just like fanatic 568 00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:17.320 belief in what our outlook on what improving mankind looks like. 569 00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.679 That Thoughts like that were made illegal in the late 570 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:23.599 nineteen forties. 571 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.079 Yeah, yeah, made very criminal. 572 00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:32.519 Yes, the common and historical ought is not immediately evident 573 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:37.000 at hand. It has to be uncovered by cutting, through splitting, 574 00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:42.480 breaking asunder the given material, separating right and wrong, good 575 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:49.800 and bad, correct and incorrect. The subject whose improvement depends 576 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:54.360 on a progressive historical practice is each man as man. 577 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:59.360 And this universality is reflected in that of the discussion, 578 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.800 which a priori does not exclude any group or individual. 579 00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:11.159 So let me see if I can parse this out. 580 00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:20.800 This is painful. There is an objective way to arrive 581 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:25.360 at truth, and it's through the It's through the process 582 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:30.320 of critical analysis. Is that basically what he's saying? Sure, 583 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.400 we imagine, imagine that that just happens to be the 584 00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.440 thing that he went, that he studied for his entire life. 585 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.280 But even the all inclusive character of liberalist tolerance was, 586 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:47.880 at least in theory, based on the proposition that men were 587 00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:52.360 potential individuals who could learn to hear and see and 588 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.960 feel by themselves, to develop their own thoughts, to grasp 589 00:42:56.119 --> 00:43:00.000 their own true interests and rights and capabilities. Also again 590 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.440 established authority and opinion. 591 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.239 Yeah, but what if they agree with it? What then 592 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:14.760 what if they like established authority an opinion well, or 593 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.800 what if what if the critical theorists become the established 594 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:18.800 authority and opinion. 595 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.760 This was the rationale of free speech and assembly. Universal 596 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:33.119 toleration became questionable. Becomes questionable when it's rationale no longer 597 00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:38.119 prevails when tolerance is administered to manipulated and doctrinated individuals 598 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:41.800 who parrot as their own the opinions of their masters, 599 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:50.639 for whom he heteronomy has become autonomy. The telos of 600 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:59.440 tolerance is truth. It is clear from the historical record 601 00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:02.960 that the author nic spokesman of tolerance had more and 602 00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:07.000 other truth in mind than that of propositional logic and 603 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:18.599 academic theory. Former libertarians chuckle John Stuart Mills speaks of 604 00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:21.960 the truth which is persecuted in history, and which does 605 00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.960 not triumph over persecution by virtue of its inherent power, 606 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.960 which in fact has no inherent power against the dungeon 607 00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:30.840 and the steak. 608 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:38.480 Yeah I quoted, and they're still hitting me. 609 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:45.960 And he enumerates the truths which were cruelly and successfully 610 00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:49.239 liquidated in the dungeons, and at the stake that of 611 00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:56.920 Arnold of Brescia of fraud Dulcino, of Savon, of the 612 00:44:56.960 --> 00:45:02.119 alb Albigensians, valdenz Ians, Lollards and Hussites. 613 00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:05.519 So a bunch of like fringe joh Christian sex. 614 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:13.079 Yeah, I guess that's what's funny. Is Yachi in imperium 615 00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:19.639 mentioned soeign many times? Tolerance is first and foremost for 616 00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:25.400 the sake of the heretics. The historical roads towards humanitas 617 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.320 appears as heresy, target of persecution by the powers that be. 618 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.920 Heresy by itself, however, is no token of truth. Well 619 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:41.519 that that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. The criterion of progress 620 00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:46.519 in freedom, according to which Mill judges these movements is 621 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:51.079 the Reformation. The evaluation is ex post, and his list 622 00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:58.079 includes opposites. Nourala two would have been would have burned 623 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:03.360 the fraud Dulcino. Even the ex post evaluation is contestable 624 00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:08.159 as to its truth. History corrects the judgment too late 625 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:14.840 the correction. The correction does not help the victims and 626 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:19.159 does not absolve their executioners. However, the lesson is clear. 627 00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:23.400 Intolerance has delayed progress and has prolonged the slaughter and 628 00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:28.719 torture of innocence for hundreds of years. Does this does 629 00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:33.360 this clinch the case for indiscriminate pure tolerance. Are there 630 00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:39.199 historical conditions in which such toleration impedes liberation and multitudes 631 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:42.800 and multiplies the victims who are sacrificed to the status quo. 632 00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:48.760 Can the indiscriminate guarantee of political rights and liberties be repressive? 633 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.800 Can such tolerance serve to contain qualitative social change? 634 00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:59.199 Why didn't he just start off with that? We got 635 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.039 to skip that into higher page. It just read read 636 00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:03.960 up to those questions you just stask. 637 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:07.679 He has to do a little religion bashing. 638 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:08.239 They always do. 639 00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:15.440 I shall discuss this question only with reference to political movements, attitudes, 640 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:19.559 schools of thought, philosophies which are political in the wildest sense, 641 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:24.519 affecting the whole the society as a whole, demonstrably transcending 642 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:28.880 the sphere of privacy. Moreover, I propose a shift in 643 00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.599 the focus of the discussion. It will be concerned not 644 00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:38.039 only and not primarily with tolerance towards radical extremes, minorities, subversives, etc. 645 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:44.239 But rather with tolerance towards majorities, toward official and public opinion, 646 00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:49.239 toward the established protectors of freedom. In this case, the 647 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:51.880 discussion can have as a frame of reference only a 648 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:55.719 democratic society in which the people as individuals and as 649 00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:00.639 members of political and other organizations participate in the making, sustaining, 650 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:06.000 and changing policies. In an authoritarian system that people do 651 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:09.840 not tolerate, they suffer established policies. 652 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.599 All right, Well, that's convenient. 653 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:25.360 Yeah, under yeah, the road you know, I mean, oh, 654 00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:27.920 that road is thorny. I think I'll take this one 655 00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:34.079 over here. Under a system of constitutionally guaranteed and generally 656 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:38.159 and without too many and too glaring exceptions, practice, civil 657 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:42.119 rights and liberties, opposition and dissent are tolerated unless they 658 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:47.320 issue in violence and or in exhortation to an organization 659 00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:48.719 of violent subversion. 660 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:50.480 I'm with them. 661 00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:55.039 The underlying assumption is that the established society is free, 662 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.280 and that any improvement, even a change in the social 663 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:01.239 structure and social values, would come about in the normal 664 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.599 course of events, prepared to find and tested in free 665 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:09.039 and equal discussion on the open marketplace of ideas and goods. 666 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:14.159 That's how it works. Which I'm happy he's like saying 667 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:15.119 that that's stupid. 668 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:21.320 Yeah. Now, In recalling John John Stuart Mill's passage, I 669 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:25.280 drew attention to the premise hidden In this assumption, free 670 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.599 and equal discussion can fulfill the function attributed to it 671 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:35.519 only if it is rational expression and development of independent thinking, 672 00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:42.800 free from induc indoctrination, manipulation, extraneous authority. The notion of 673 00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:47.679 pluralism and countervailing powers is no substitute for this requirement. 674 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.000 One might, in theory, construct a state in which a 675 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:56.119 multitude of different pressures, interests, and authorities balance each other 676 00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:00.199 out and result in a truly general and rational interest. 677 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:03.079 Now that's the foundation myth. 678 00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:08.639 However, such a construct badly fits a society in which 679 00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:13.039 powers are and remain unequal, and even increase their unequal 680 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.599 weight when they run their own course. 681 00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:24.039 So sometimes a free exchange of ideas doesn't go in 682 00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:26.639 the direction you wanted to. That could be bad. 683 00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:31.039 Sometimes I think he understands elite theory, and sometimes I'm 684 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.360 just like, what the hell is he? Where's he going 685 00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:33.599 with this? 686 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:38.199 Yeah? I mean, we all see what happens when the 687 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:43.360 free and open exchange of information, like the actual free 688 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:47.239 and open exchange of information happens. The characteristics of whatever 689 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:54.639 platform that's happening on inevitably comes far right, even yep, yep, 690 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:58.840 without a doubt. Then you to start tamping down on 691 00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:03.840 all these fucking cell phone videos, cell phone videos and 692 00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:07.920 pop us subways. 693 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:14.800 And I mean, am I the only one who you 694 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:18.639 know realizes that, like Twitter has become world star hip 695 00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:20.199 hop world star. 696 00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:25.199 Yeah? I would like to think that Elon has something 697 00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:27.960 to do with that, or it could just be that 698 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:32.960 he got rid of whatever the whatever, the algorithm, what 699 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:37.559 whatever the algorithmic guard against that he just got rid of. 700 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.679 And this is you know, organic. 701 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.440 Whatever it is. I'm liking it, well, not liking some 702 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.920 of those videos I can't watch, but at least the 703 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:55.920 exposure is there. Then then the if it fits, it 704 00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.280 fits even worse with a variety of pressures, unifies and 705 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:06.320 coagulates into an overwhelming whole, integrating the particular countervailing powers 706 00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.280 by virtue of an increased standard of living and an 707 00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:11.320 increasing concentration of power. 708 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:15.960 Yeah, which is where we're at right now, Well maybe 709 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:20.719 not right now, where the material conditions right now are 710 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:27.880 still pretty good. Everybody more than likely has food, water, 711 00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:32.159 easy access to food, water, clothing, shelter, that type of thing. 712 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:35.480 And then you know, if you really start thinking about 713 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.960 what our luxuries we have access to, those two for 714 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:43.679 the most part. And I mean this goes back to Ted. Kay. 715 00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:51.079 As that becomes cheaper and proliferated more, it's really easy 716 00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:55.199 to ignore the structural problems that are taking away your 717 00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.360 i mean your humanity in the background. Yeah, as you 718 00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.679 participate them. Yeah. 719 00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:06.360 Yeah, it's I've said this a bunch of times. But 720 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:11.280 the more people I talked to who are leaving cities 721 00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:14.960 and going and you know, even buying a half an 722 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:18.800 acre or an acre in the country and you know, saying, hey, 723 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:20.440 I'm gonna grow some of my own food and maybe 724 00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:23.920 get a couple of chickens. These are people who they 725 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:27.360 may not even know what Uncle Ted taught, but they're 726 00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:31.679 going backwards in order to go forwards. 727 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:40.599 It's it's uh, it makes me think of Julius Evola. 728 00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:42.599 It's some something is transcendent. 729 00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:51.239 Yeah, what it was Evola thing, I've stolen it. My 730 00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:54.159 my values are that which were be normal before seventeen 731 00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:54.719 eighty nine. 732 00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:55.320 Yeah. 733 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:03.920 Then the laborer, whose real interest conflicts with that of management, 734 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.039 the common consumer whose real interests conflict with that of 735 00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.760 the producer, the intellectual whose vocation conflicts with that of 736 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.480 his employer, find themselves submitted to a system against which 737 00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:19.679 they are powerless and appear unreasonable. That's a great sentence, 738 00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:25.599 Oh bit, such a great sentence. Okay. The ideas of 739 00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:30.880 the available alternatives evaporates into an utterly utopian dimension in 740 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.719 which it is at home for a free for a 741 00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:38.760 free society is indeed unrealistically and undefinably different from the 742 00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:45.880 existing ones. Under these circumstances, whatever improvement may occur in 743 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.639 the normal course of events and without subversion, is likely 744 00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.320 to be improvement in the direction determined by the particular 745 00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:55.280 interests which control the whole. 746 00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:57.400 Oh yeah, mark us, who are those? 747 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:05.920 Ah? By the same token, those minorities which strive for 748 00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:10.400 a change of the whole itself, will, under optimal conditions 749 00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:14.639 which rarely prevail, be left free to deliberate and discuss, 750 00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:18.519 to speak, into assemble, and will be left harmless and 751 00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.519 helpless in the face of the overwhelming majority which militates 752 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.840 against qualitative social change. 753 00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:29.039 Yeah, you're allowed to talk about whatever you want. It's 754 00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.719 just it's not going to happen. 755 00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:37.199 He Let me let me see something here, looking at 756 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:45.119 early early years of Marcus. Okay, I'll leave that alone. 757 00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:46.440 We'll talk about that. 758 00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:49.480 I couldn't find anything in any early life check. 759 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:57.880 Oh it's it's right there. Oh yeah, second sent second 760 00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:07.920 sent okay, control by the same token those manner did 761 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:14.800 I already say that sentence? By the same token those 762 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:18.039 minorities which strive for a change. I don't think I'm 763 00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:20.840 gonna I'll say it, I'll go No, No, I haven't 764 00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.920 said it. Okay, by the same token, those minorities which 765 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:27.360 strive for a change of the whole itself will under 766 00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.079 optimal conditions which were oh no, I did say that one. 767 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:31.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 768 00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:35.760 This majority is firmly grounded in the increasing satisfaction of 769 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:41.079 needs and technological and mental coordination, which testify to the 770 00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:46.239 general helplessness of radical groups in a well functioning social system. 771 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:52.360 Huh. 772 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:57.440 Within the affluent democracy, the affluent discussion prevails, and within 773 00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:01.239 the established framework it is tole are. To a large extent, 774 00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:05.079 all points of view can be heard, the communist and 775 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.920 the fascist, the left and the right, the right and 776 00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:12.880 the negro, the crusaders for armament and for disarmament, moreover, 777 00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:17.679 and endlessly dragging debates over the media. The stupid opinion 778 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:21.320 is treated with the same respect as the intelligent one. 779 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:25.079 The misinformed may talk as long as the informed and 780 00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:29.960 propaganda rides along with education, truth and falsehood. 781 00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:35.559 So at the apex of American civilization, you can kind 782 00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:39.360 of define that by you know, all those I forget 783 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:41.639 what it's called, but the roundtable show where they have 784 00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:44.880 somebody from the right, somebody from the left, the fascist, 785 00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.320 the communist, and they're all just having a calm conversation. 786 00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:53.840 That is the apex in material condition of America. Now 787 00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:58.840 what do you have? This pure talk? Well, good, But 788 00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:03.480 whether it's good or not, it's just an indication as 789 00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.280 to how well your civilization is doing. 790 00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.920 This pure toleration of sense and nonsense is justified by 791 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:16.119 the democratic argument that nobody, neither group nor individual is 792 00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.119 in possession of the truth and capable of defining what 793 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:24.320 is right and wrong, good and bad. Therefore, all contesting 794 00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.320 opinions must be submitted to the people for its deliberation 795 00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:32.400 and choice. But I have already suggested that the democratic 796 00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:36.639 argument implies a necessary condition, namely that the people must 797 00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:41.960 be must be capable of deliberating and choosing on the 798 00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:46.320 basis of knowledge, that they must have access to authentic information, 799 00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:50.239 and that on this basis their evaluation must be the 800 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:56.239 result of autonomous thought. So deliberating and choosing on the 801 00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:58.639 basis of knowledge. They basically said, first of all, they 802 00:58:58.679 --> 00:58:59.960 have to be smart and not be a fucking one. 803 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:04.559 Are on, We do this all the time. 804 00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:09.639 Yeah, And then stepp Bee comes in and just frigging 805 00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:16.880 makes us all feel like idiots. They must have access 806 00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:21.719 to authentic information, doesn't mention what that authentic information is, uh, 807 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.239 And that on their basis, their evaluation must be the 808 00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:28.239 result of autonomous thought. So this is somebody who's lived 809 00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:32.199 it has never been taught how to think what to think? 810 00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:38.400 I mean, we're in friggin fantasy land here. It's the source. 811 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:41.719 I saw it in a dream. 812 00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:46.440 It was a fever dream though all right. In the 813 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:51.000 contemporary period, the democratic argument for abstract tolerance tends to 814 00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:55.480 be invalidated by the invalidation of the democratic process itself. 815 00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:00.480 The liberating force of democracy was the change, was the 816 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.519 chance it gave to effective dissent on the individual as 817 01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:08.559 well as its social scale. Its openness to qualitatively different 818 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:13.719 forms of government, of culture, education, work of the human 819 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:19.599 existence in general, The toleration of free discussion and the 820 01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:24.239 equal right of opposites, was to define and clarify the 821 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:30.480 different forms of descent, their direction, content prospect. But with 822 01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:34.679 the concentration of economic and political power and the integration 823 01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:38.000 of opposites in a society which uses technology as an 824 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:42.920 instrument of domination, effective descent is blocked where it could 825 01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:49.480 freely emerge in the formation of opinion, in information and communication, 826 01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:51.679 in speech and assembly. 827 01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.239 Yep, Uncle Ted and Mark hus one of the. 828 01:00:55.159 --> 01:01:04.480 Same when he says here, well, the integration of opposites 829 01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:06.639 in a society, what's he talking about? 830 01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:12.159 Oh, just the ability of the fascists and the communists 831 01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:17.320 to sit down and have a conversation mm hm, which 832 01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:20.239 I'm guessing at the time he was writing. I mean, 833 01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:24.880 what the hell was that show with? Was Buchanan on it? 834 01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:26.960 Oh? 835 01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.719 The McLachlan group, Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah. I mean that 836 01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:33.679 was probably the apex of society when that was on. 837 01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:35.360 I used to watch it all the time. I watched 838 01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:36.960 it up until like two thousand and nine, two thousand 839 01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.480 and ten. Yeah, I was obsessed with it. I couldn't 840 01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:42.159 couldn't have that. Yeah, no, at least not in any 841 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:45.440 man I think. Yeah, I think it does actually exist now. 842 01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:47.239 I don't think Buchanan's on it. I think there's a 843 01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:50.320 new version of it. But I mean, I just I 844 01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:53.559 can't wake up at nine thirty on us. I'm doing 845 01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.840 other nine thirty on Sunday morning. I'm getting to I'm 846 01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:59.199 getting ready to go somewhere else, all right. Under the 847 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:03.760 rule of monopolistic media themselves, the mere instruments of economic 848 01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:08.360 and political power. That's good. 849 01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.199 So this is the critique that we hear all the 850 01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:13.400 time of the legacy media, I mean, the corporate press, 851 01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:17.960 in the context of what the Internet did to them, 852 01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:22.400 they did have a monopolistic stranglehold on the flow of information. 853 01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:27.360 You know, what choices you're you're given at the ballot 854 01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:34.000 box are determined, you know, by the cathedral. He's he's described, 855 01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:36.960 he's describing, you know that as it's happening. 856 01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:42.960 Under the rule of monopolistic media themselves, the mere instruments 857 01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:46.719 of economic and political power, a mentality is created for 858 01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:50.320 which right and wrong, true and false are pre defined 859 01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:57.159 wherever they affect the vital interests of the society. This 860 01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:02.239 is prior to all expression and community. A matter of semantics, 861 01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:06.239 the blocking of effective descent of the recognition of that 862 01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:09.119 which is not of the establishment, which begins in the 863 01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:14.639 language that is publicized and administered the meaning of words 864 01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:21.320 is rigidly stabilized, and I would say, now the meaning 865 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:25.119 of words it is actively distorted. 866 01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:30.880 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's yeah. He's he's a little 867 01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:35.280 behind the times. He's a little too modernist. Just him 868 01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:39.400 talking about objective truth at all. Yeah, that's that's like 869 01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:47.719 a early frank like early Frankfurt school sixties characteristic. Yeah. 870 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:53.000 Yeah, the nineteen forty six Orwell essay politics and the 871 01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:57.400 English language. I mean it's twenty almost twenty years before this. 872 01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:01.000 Orwell's talking about the distortion language at that point, how 873 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:07.840 it basically means nothing. And academic agent Nima calls him says, 874 01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:13.599 how most political language and journalistic language is loaded with 875 01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:21.400 thought terminating cliches. Yeah yeah, or these cliches are just 876 01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:23.719 fed in there, and it's like, oh, I know exactly 877 01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:25.960 what to mean now, I don't have to think anymore. 878 01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:28.639 I know exactly. I know exactly what to think now. 879 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:37.719 I was just reading a critical review of Imperium, and I, 880 01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:41.000 I guess I couldn't really, I couldn't really put it 881 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:45.639 into words to articulate like that that exact thing you 882 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:48.639 just said, thought terminating just phrases. 883 01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:55.039 That's what the person who was writing the Yeah critique. 884 01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:59.159 The entire time he was doing the review, it was 885 01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:03.880 just cliche cliches. Yeah did in early life check on 886 01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:04.559 him too, and. 887 01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:12.480 Rational persuasion. Persuasion to the opposite is all but precluded. 888 01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:15.840 The avenues of entrance are closed to the meaning of 889 01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:19.920 words and ideas other than the established one established by 890 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:23.079 the publicity of the powers to be and verified in 891 01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:27.719 their practices. Other words can be spoken and heard, other 892 01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.840 ideas can be expressed, but at the massive scale of 893 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:36.039 the conservative majority. Outside such enclaves as the intelligentsia, they 894 01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:42.199 are immediately evaluated, i e. Automatically understood in terms of 895 01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:46.599 the public language, a language which determines a priori the 896 01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:50.719 direction in which the thought process moves. 897 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:53.000 I can I'm not. 898 01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:58.039 I want to disagree, but I can't. I can't. 899 01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:03.400 We I mean, that's where we're we're slipping down the 900 01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:07.199 slope from the things that he's talking about in his 901 01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:11.760 day right now, like we are still sliding down that slope. 902 01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:14.960 You know, the ability to think three steps ahead in 903 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:19.400 terms of policy and just in terms of introducing ideas 904 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:24.840 to the mainstream, the direction that that's going to, that 905 01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:28.360 that they're going to take Now it goes back to 906 01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:32.000 the old trope that there are no conspiracy theorists anymore. 907 01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:37.480 Yeah, so we're gonna do about another another page here, 908 01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:39.599 and then we'll cut it and cut it and uh, 909 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.119 we'll do the rest, do the rest another episode. This 910 01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:44.239 is just take two episodes. In the beginning of this, 911 01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.320 when we were stopping every sentence, I'm like, oh man, 912 01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:50.880 this is going to take ten episodes. All right, But 913 01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:54.719 that's the process of reflection, And that's the process of 914 01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:57.760 reflection ends where it started in the given conditions and 915 01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:02.199 relations self validated, the argument of the discussion repels the 916 01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:09.039 contradiction because the antithesis is redefined in terms of the thesis. Yeah, 917 01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:13.639 I get it. Yeah, well it's like begging the question, 918 01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.400 like the begging the question fallacy, Yeah, or. 919 01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:22.960 Just controlling the opposition speaking all you know, referring to 920 01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:27.960 your opposition to say a cultural trope in the exact 921 01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:31.920 terms of the enemy, the exact terms the enemy gave 922 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.320 to you in order to talk about it. 923 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:40.599 For example, thesis we work for peace and to and 924 01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:45.239 to antithesis, why did I want to say anti anti 925 01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:49.920 thesis so bad? For example, thesis we work for peace 926 01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:54.239 antithesis we prepare for war or even we wage war. 927 01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:59.400 Unification of opposites. Preparing for war is working for peace. 928 01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:06.280 Piece is redefined as necessary as necessarily in the prevailing situation, 929 01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:10.679 including preparation for war or even war or even war, 930 01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.320 And in this Orwellian form, the meaning of the word 931 01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:20.159 piece is stabilized. Thus, the basic vocabulary of the Orwellian 932 01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:28.359 language operates as a priori categories of understanding, all pre forming, 933 01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:34.960 all content. These conditions invalidate the logic of tolerance, which 934 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:38.960 involves the rational development of meaning and precludes the closing 935 01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:44.199 of meaning. Consequently, persuasion through discussion and the equal presentation 936 01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:49.039 of opposites even where it is really equal, easily lose 937 01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:52.880 their liberating force as factors of understanding and learning. They 938 01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:56.920 are far more likely to strengthen and the established thesis 939 01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:59.359 and to repel the alternatives. I can't argue with them 940 01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:03.920 on any of this. No, this is is, in fact 941 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:04.640 what they do. 942 01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:08.640 He's not telling us what we don't already know. But 943 01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:11.199 I guess at the time it was cool to notice 944 01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:13.319 he was doing a little noticing himself. 945 01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:19.159 Yeah, I wonder if you ever searched out his early 946 01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:25.199 nevermind impartiality to the utmost equal treatment of competing and 947 01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:29.439 conflicting issues is indeed a basic requirement for decision making 948 01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:30.960 in the democratic process. 949 01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:32.800 Here's why that's wrong. 950 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:37.720 It is an equally basic requirement for defining the limits 951 01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:44.880 of tolerance. But in a democracy with totalitarian organization, objectivity 952 01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:48.960 may fulfill a very different function, namely to foster a 953 01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:52.159 mental attitude which tends to obliterate the difference between true 954 01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:58.840 and false information and indoctrination right and wrong. In fact, 955 01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.720 the decision between opposed opinions has been made, has been 956 01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:06.520 made before the presentation and discussion get under way, made 957 01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.680 not by a conspiracy or a sponsor or a publisher, 958 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.399 not by any dictatorship, but rather by the normal course 959 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:16.199 of events, which is the course of administered events, and 960 01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:21.000 by the mentality shaped in this course. Here too, it 961 01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:33.159 is the whole which determines the truth. I'm people who 962 01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:35.239 have never read stuff like this, like when we were 963 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:38.520 reading when we read A State and Revolution. You know 964 01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:40.640 all the people in the comments who are like, holy crap, 965 01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:47.319 I agree with so much of this. Here too, it 966 01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:50.560 is the whole which determines the truth. Then the decision 967 01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:55.760 asserts itself without any open violation of objectivity in such 968 01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:58.760 things as the makeup of a newspaper, with the breaking 969 01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:03.199 up of vital information into bits interspersed between extraneous material, 970 01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:08.399 irrelevant items, relegating of some radically negative news to an 971 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:16.119 obscure place, in the juxtaposition of gorgeous ads with unmitigated horrors, 972 01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:19.840 and the introduction and interruption of the broadcasting of facts 973 01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:22.239 by overwhelming commercials. 974 01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:29.399 That's my timeline. Just describe My timeline is man made 975 01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:33.319 horrors beyond your comprehension. You can then an add for 976 01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:38.600 some like cool gifts for your for your wedding. 977 01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:43.560 Party, green anarchists, or have been all over this for 978 01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:47.880 so long. I mean, this is a conversation. Bellamy could 979 01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:53.760 be preaching this right now. The result is a neutralization 980 01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:57.640 of opposites, a neutralization, however, which takes place on the 981 01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:01.600 firm grounds of the structural limitation of tolerance and within 982 01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:05.840 a pre formed mentality. When a magazine prints side by 983 01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:09.159 side a negative and positive report on the FBI, it 984 01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:14.600 fulfills honestly the requirements of objectivity. However, the chances are 985 01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:18.119 that a positive that the positive wins, because the image 986 01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:21.640 of the institution is deeply engraved in the mind of 987 01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:22.199 the people. 988 01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:26.560 Yeah. No, I mean if you think about it practically 989 01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:31.359 on an individual level, Let's say something hurt. Let's say 990 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:37.720 I don't know, nine to eleven to two happens, and 991 01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:41.720 then at the same time there the article is in 992 01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:44.720 one column for that, and then the article right next 993 01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:49.760 to it is, you know, pictures of tits. You know, like, 994 01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:53.000 I'm not going to feel anything about nine to eleven 995 01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:55.920 two because I'm going to read that and say, wow, 996 01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:58.479 that's awful, and then I'm going to look at tits 997 01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.119 and then I'm going to walk away feeling kind of 998 01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:03.479 bad about nine to eleven two, but probably not as 999 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:07.079 bad as I could conceivably be, not bad enough to 1000 01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:08.159 do anything about it. 1001 01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:15.479 Or if a newscaster reports the torture and murder of 1002 01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:19.000 civil rights workers in the same unemotional tone he uses 1003 01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:22.079 to describe the stock market or the weather, or with 1004 01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:25.479 the same great emotion with which he says as commercials, 1005 01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:30.960 then such objectivity is spurious. More, it offends against humanity 1006 01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.479 and truth by being calm where no one where one 1007 01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:37.720 should be enraged, by refraining from accusation where accusation is 1008 01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:41.319 the fact is in the fact themselves. 1009 01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:49.199 Yeah, yeah, I get what he's saying. It's psychological. 1010 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:54.800 The toleration expressed in such impartiality serves to minimize or 1011 01:13:54.840 --> 01:14:02.319 even absolve prevailing intolerance and suppression. If objectivity has to 1012 01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:04.960 do with truth, and if truth is more than a 1013 01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:08.479 matter of logic and science, then this kind of objectivity 1014 01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:14.239 is false, and this kind of tolerance inhuman. And if 1015 01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:17.760 it is necessary to break the established universe of meaning 1016 01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:21.199 and the practiced and closed in this universe in order 1017 01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:23.800 to enable man to find out what is true and false, 1018 01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:31.560 this deceptive impartiality would have to be abandoned. The people 1019 01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:35.880 exposed to this impartiality are no tabula rasa. They are 1020 01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:40.720 indoctrinated by the conditions under which they live and think, 1021 01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:43.039 and which they do not transcend. 1022 01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:46.359 Yeah, did you get what he's saying. 1023 01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:49.319 Yeah, Well, I mean it's interesting that he brings up 1024 01:14:49.359 --> 01:15:02.920 tabula rossa because progressivism, it assumes, is it presupposes, Yeah, just. 1025 01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:05.279 Not, I guess, just not in this case, in the 1026 01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:08.720 context of you know, propaganda. 1027 01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:12.920 Well, no, in this case, the tabula rasa, which which 1028 01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:17.359 should have been from the very start, you know, probably 1029 01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:20.720 taken away from their parents, who maybe Christians or Muslims 1030 01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:26.680 or or whatever, they're already poisoned. Yeah, yeah, so. 1031 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:32.039 And then your average news watcher is yeah, definitely not 1032 01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:35.359 a blank slate to be filled. 1033 01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:39.359 All right, let's finish this. I think if we finished 1034 01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:44.840 these up to the right up to I think we 1035 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:46.840 finished this paragraph, it would be a good ending point, 1036 01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:51.920 all right, to enable them to become autonomous, to find 1037 01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.159 by themselves what is true and what is false. For 1038 01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:57.159 men in the existing society, they would have to be 1039 01:15:57.199 --> 01:16:01.359 freed from the prevailing indoctrination, which is no longer recognized 1040 01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:05.359 as indoctrination. But this means that the trend would have 1041 01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:08.880 to be reversed. They would have to get information slanted 1042 01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:12.239 in the opposite direction. For the facts are never given 1043 01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:19.239 immediately and never accessible immediately. They are established, mediated by 1044 01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:24.319 those who made them. The truth, the whole truth, quote unquote, 1045 01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:28.760 surpasses these facts and requires the rupture with their appearance. 1046 01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:34.560 This rupture, prerequisite and token of all freedom of thought 1047 01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:38.520 and of speech, cannot be accomplished within the established framework 1048 01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:43.640 of abstract tolerance and spurious objectivity, because they are precisely 1049 01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:47.800 the factors which precondition the mind against the rupture. 1050 01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:56.600 Yeah, yeah, I guess if if we suddenly started seeing 1051 01:16:56.760 --> 01:17:06.239 journalists speak to people speak to us like they would 1052 01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:10.159 in real life, it would probably blow our minds. 1053 01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:13.760 Yeah, it would be. 1054 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:20.199 Like or just anybody on the Internet, because we're all 1055 01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:21.439 purveyors of information. 1056 01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:26.079 It's like if you're used to seeing and if you're 1057 01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:28.319 used to going to the zoo and seeing an animal 1058 01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:31.680 performed tricks, they'd be like seeing them in their natural 1059 01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:36.359 habitat where you're like, oh, they're actually really boring, and 1060 01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:39.680 then you realize, oh, wait a minit they're putting on a performance. 1061 01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:41.600 It's a performance for me. 1062 01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:47.880 Yeah, I mean it's it's always been an idea I've 1063 01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:52.000 had that you know that not I've had, but just 1064 01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:59.439 a popular idea that absolute tolerance can't work and can't 1065 01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:04.159 exist any ways, just because we we live in we 1066 01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:06.399 we we live in the system that we do, and 1067 01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:10.479 all the venues that can show that that are that 1068 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:14.760 are bound by whatever whatever metrics of tolerance there is, 1069 01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:22.800 like social media, TV, news, pop culture whatever like there 1070 01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:28.680 there's it wouldn't work. It wouldn't work. Absolute tolerance wouldn't work, 1071 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:34.960 just not not on a practical level. And once you 1072 01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:38.239 kind of break through that, that idea that tolerance is 1073 01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:44.159 not good. You can start to kind of fight back 1074 01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:47.359 against you know, while we we can't let Nazis at 1075 01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:53.159 our protest because okay, well I can't let liberals at 1076 01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:59.680 my house. You know, they've they kind of just don't. 1077 01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:02.159 I don't know, I don't know what I'm trying to say. 1078 01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:08.720 Five of these in well, give me your thoughts and 1079 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:09.159 all bounc. 1080 01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:14.560 I mean, he makes the point that if his goals 1081 01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:21.720 are going to be achieved, any thought, any action that 1082 01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:26.840 is against that would derail those goals needs to be repressed. 1083 01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:34.119 Yeah. And the goals are the destruction of oppressive structures. 1084 01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:44.359 Which some which could very simply be called hierarchies, aristocracies, 1085 01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:48.239 things like that. Yeah, which hierarchy, Yeah, which I think 1086 01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:49.720 are inherent in nature. 1087 01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:56.119 Yeah, absolutely there, but to the bottom left, they exist 1088 01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:58.640 to be destroyed. 1089 01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:04.159 Well yep, all right, well we'll pick this up again. 1090 01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:07.199 Do you want to plug anything I was listening to 1091 01:20:07.279 --> 01:20:10.479 this episode today that I was actually supposed to be 1092 01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:14.479 on on on Exorcism. 1093 01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:17.520 Yeah. Yeah. We just dropped an over the line episode 1094 01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:22.000 on Timeline Earth for our Patreon subscribers, if you want 1095 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:24.960 to check that out. It's about exorcism and spiritual warfare, 1096 01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:29.319 getting into the history, the practice, the nuts and bolts. 1097 01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:33.600 I haven't I do need to come up with a 1098 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:37.960 Boystown episode eventually. That's that's my personal spin off of 1099 01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:40.640 Timeline Earth, and I haven't done one in over a 1100 01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:44.560 year because I'm a piece of ship with a very 1101 01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:45.399 demanding job. 1102 01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:50.920 Well, I think everyone appreciates you taking the time to 1103 01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:55.439 do this, and we'll we'll we'll talk about when we 1104 01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:59.399 can do part two and everything. Because I'm someone with 1105 01:20:59.479 --> 01:21:01.199 a with all of time on my hands and you're 1106 01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:04.039 someone with like no time on your hands. So and 1107 01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:06.279 you know, someone with a lot of time on their hands, 1108 01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:09.520 like canceled at the last minute to be on that episode, 1109 01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:11.760 which I really wanted to be on. But you know 1110 01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:17.119 the reason why you forgive me because you've been there recently. 1111 01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:22.119 All right, man, until part two? Thank you. 1112 01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:28.960 I want to welcome everyone back to you the Pekana Show. Aaron. 1113 01:21:29.239 --> 01:21:30.600 Let's finish this out how you don't know? 1114 01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:32.520 So far, so good. 1115 01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:35.640 Let's do it all right, Let's get this up there 1116 01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:39.159 and just jump right in. I had to look up 1117 01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:41.479 exactly where we left off because you know, I'm not 1118 01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:48.000 gonna remember that ship So the last the last paragraph 1119 01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:53.640 before we ended, I was talking about the people exposed 1120 01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:58.600 to talking about tabula rossa, people exposed to this and partiality. 1121 01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:02.239 There are no tabula ras so they are indoctrinaty, so indoctrination. 1122 01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:08.840 So all right, the factual barriers which totalitarian democracy erects 1123 01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:13.920 against the efficacy of qualitative dissent are weak and pleasant 1124 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:18.439 enough compared with the practices of a dictatorship which claims 1125 01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:20.600 to educate the people in the truth. 1126 01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:26.760 Huh. That's uh, yeah, I don't know if I agree 1127 01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:30.760 with full on dictatorship, but you know, whatever, we have, 1128 01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:33.600 whatever you would call it right now, that's that's the 1129 01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:40.680 main characteristic of the people of power. Yeah, I mean, 1130 01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:42.920 that's that's the disease of intellectualism. 1131 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:49.920 Well, and what we have now is so they're they're 1132 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:52.159 claiming to educate the people and the truth. They have 1133 01:22:52.279 --> 01:22:58.000 the truth, and they are definitely at that drawing broadline 1134 01:22:58.359 --> 01:22:59.520 friend enemy distinction. 1135 01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:08.399 It's they've conspicuously taken on that task as heroically as 1136 01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:11.079 they can possibly make it. That, yes, this is their 1137 01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:16.680 rise on Detroit is to educate, educate the people and 1138 01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:19.600 the truth. And you see it every single day, whether 1139 01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:23.640 it's all meeting. I mean that's what we're doing too. 1140 01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:27.199 So I mean like, but when everybody is doing that, 1141 01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:32.199 then you have that's yeah, you have a diseased society. 1142 01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:35.760 Yeah. Yeah, if we if you have a society where 1143 01:23:36.359 --> 01:23:43.039 people are warring over what the truth is, your society 1144 01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:45.720 is completely as far to the left because you're existing 1145 01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:48.600 in chaos. There's no order at all. 1146 01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:51.239 Even if the fight is between objective truth and this 1147 01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:58.359 you know, idea of subjective truth, whatever subjective truth, whatever 1148 01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:04.760 branch that gets off into for for both sides. Yeah, 1149 01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:09.119 we are. That's I would say that would characterize this 1150 01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:12.000 spiritual warfare that we're in. Then I talked about the 1151 01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:14.079 Patreon episode that you should buy a tile on Earth. 1152 01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:19.159 It's a good episode, all right, with all its limitations 1153 01:24:19.159 --> 01:24:24.479 and distortions. Democratic tolerance is, under all circumstances, more humane 1154 01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:29.479 than an institutionalized intolerance, which sacrifices the rights and liberties 1155 01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:33.600 of the living generations for the sake of the future generations. 1156 01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:40.640 All right, It is that a knock or is he 1157 01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:42.319 just stating a fact? 1158 01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:47.600 With all its limitations and distortions, Democratic tolerances, under all circumstances, 1159 01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:54.199 more humane than an institutionalized intolerance, which sacrifices the rights 1160 01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:57.319 and liberties of the living generations. Now, when he says that, 1161 01:24:57.399 --> 01:25:04.239 I immediately think of like what a like monarchy where yeah, 1162 01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:07.399 where it also. 1163 01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:12.920 A humane, humane institute. You know. 1164 01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:17.479 Thomas said something on an episode recently. He was talking 1165 01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:21.560 about the difference between the Soviet Union and the United 1166 01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:25.720 States after nineteen fifty, and he was saying that, you know, well, 1167 01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.680 what did the Soviet Union do after nineteen fifty? They 1168 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:32.159 just basically and after Stalin was out of power. I mean, 1169 01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:36.359 they could abuse your body, they could you know, you know, 1170 01:25:36.399 --> 01:25:41.720 a lot of the Gulags were you know, we're they 1171 01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:45.399 weren't as severe as before, you know, before when Stalin 1172 01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:49.399 was alive. But really, the when you look at what 1173 01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:53.159 the United States has done to people, I mean, at 1174 01:25:53.239 --> 01:25:56.399 least Russians still believe that they're Russians. They still look 1175 01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:01.479 they have some kind of identity. Everything that we that 1176 01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:05.439 we have, we possess, any kind of tradition, any kind 1177 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:10.680 of family, they've they're this regime seeks to derascinate us 1178 01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:14.239 from and just basically strip us down into nothing. 1179 01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:20.479 Well, we don't have anything comparable to Goole Aggs or 1180 01:26:22.359 --> 01:26:27.479 or even the destolinization process within living memory. And the 1181 01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:33.079 further we get from these references that you know our grandparents, 1182 01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:36.159 you know your grandparents, you're you. 1183 01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:38.359 Know, yeah, I'm older than you. Fuck you. 1184 01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:45.560 Yeah, I was gonna say, uh, certain certain members of 1185 01:26:46.079 --> 01:26:57.319 your tribe. What you're Ukrainian background, Oh yeah, Ukrainian dash something. 1186 01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:03.199 No, I'm like my DNA thing says two percent on 1187 01:27:03.319 --> 01:27:09.840 that part one drop, yeah, right, one drop role. 1188 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:14.680 But no, we don't have anything like that in living memory. 1189 01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:19.960 So the further we get from both the atrocities and 1190 01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:24.960 the wine down from the atrocities being tolerable, the more 1191 01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:27.159 apt we are to go back to them. 1192 01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:32.640 Yeah. Good point, all right. The question is whether this 1193 01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:36.680 is the only alternative. I shall presently try to suggest 1194 01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:39.800 the direction in which an answer may be sought. In 1195 01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:42.640 any case, the contrast is not between democracy and the 1196 01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:48.479 abstract and dictatorship in the abstract. Democracy is a form 1197 01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:52.159 of government which fits very different types of societies. This 1198 01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:55.359 holds true even for a democracy with universal suffrage and 1199 01:27:55.359 --> 01:27:58.439 equality before the law, and the human costs of a 1200 01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:02.760 democracy are always and everywhere those exacted by the society 1201 01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:08.079 whose government it is. Their range extends all the way 1202 01:28:08.119 --> 01:28:14.279 from normal exploitation, poverty, and insecurity to and insecurity to 1203 01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:18.399 the victims of wars, police actions, military aid, etc. In 1204 01:28:18.439 --> 01:28:21.319 which the society is engaged, and not only to the 1205 01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:30.359 victims within its own frontiers. Yeah. These considerations can never 1206 01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:34.800 justify the exacting of different sacrifices and different victims on 1207 01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:38.840 behalf of a future better society, but they do allow 1208 01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:43.640 weighing the cost involved in the perpetuation of an existing 1209 01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:48.279 society against the risk of promoting alternatives which offer a 1210 01:28:48.359 --> 01:28:57.079 reasonable chance of pacification and liberation. Surely, no government can 1211 01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:01.119 be expected to foster its own subversion. But in a democracy, 1212 01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:04.199 such a right as vested in the people i e. 1213 01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:05.720 The majority of the people. 1214 01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:13.439 Ah yeah, in theory, yeah, yeah, it sounds good. 1215 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:18.600 Yeah, this means that the ways should be This means 1216 01:29:18.680 --> 01:29:21.399 that the ways should not be blocked on which a 1217 01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:25.199 subversive majority could develop, and if they are blocked by 1218 01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:35.000 organized repression and indoctrination, their reopening may require apparently undemocratic means. Obviously, Yeah, 1219 01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:38.319 they would include the withdrawal of toleration of speech and 1220 01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:46.039 assembly from groups and movements which promote aggressive policies, armament, chauvinism, discrimination, 1221 01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:49.439 on the grounds of race and religion, of which opposed 1222 01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:56.159 the extension of public services, social security, medicare, etc. 1223 01:29:57.640 --> 01:30:01.239 Yeah, I mean maybe when he wrote this, I mean 1224 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:06.760 the last the social security, medical uh, public services, medical, 1225 01:30:06.880 --> 01:30:10.279 medical care, all that grap I don't think there's a 1226 01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:14.720 that's that's not really a thing with the left right debate. 1227 01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:18.760 I think the right is okay with having a welfare state. Yep. 1228 01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:23.520 They they're actively anti racist. Just call them a racist 1229 01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:24.239 and you'll find out. 1230 01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:24.920 Yeah. 1231 01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:30.000 Yeah. So Moreover, the restoration of freedom of thought may 1232 01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:34.720 necessitate new and rigid restrictions on teachings and practices in 1233 01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:39.279 the education, in the educational institutions, which, by their very 1234 01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:43.159 methods and concept the concepts, serve to enclose the mind 1235 01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:48.000 within the established universe of discourse and behavior, thereby precluding 1236 01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:53.800 a priori a rational evaluation of the alternatives. 1237 01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:59.560 So that's not happening, right, I mean, the the the 1238 01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:03.159 enclosed us of the mind is happening again. Like, this 1239 01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:05.039 is all stuff that we can agree for, but for 1240 01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:06.880 way different reasons than he wants us to. 1241 01:31:07.479 --> 01:31:12.000 Right. Yeah, and to the degree to which freedom of 1242 01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:17.039 thought involves the struggle against inhumanity, restoration of such freedom 1243 01:31:17.239 --> 01:31:22.399 would also imply intolerance towards scientific research in the interest 1244 01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:28.920 of deadly deterrence of abnormal human endurance under inhuman conditions, 1245 01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:34.520 et cetera. I shall presently discuss the question as to 1246 01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:38.560 who is to decide on the distinction between liberating and 1247 01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:44.359 liberating and repressive human and inhuman teachings and practices. I 1248 01:31:44.399 --> 01:31:48.520 have already suggested that this at that this distinction is 1249 01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:52.359 not a matter of value preference, but of rational criteria. 1250 01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:58.880 Yes, the fattest, most blue haired, most transgender Muslim activists 1251 01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:01.159 they are are the ones qualified. 1252 01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:07.319 While the reversal of the trend in the educational enterprise 1253 01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:11.039 at least could conceivably be enforced by the students and 1254 01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:16.479 teachers themselves and thus be self imposed, the systematic withdrawal 1255 01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:21.439 of tolerance towards regressive and repressive opinions and movements could 1256 01:32:21.479 --> 01:32:30.439 only be envisaged, had envisaged envisaged enough to look that 1257 01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:34.079 up as results of well, try to figure it out 1258 01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:39.760 contexts as results of large scale pressure, which would amount 1259 01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:44.279 to an upheaval book could only be you know. In 1260 01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:48.119 other words, it would presuppose that which is still to 1261 01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:54.079 be accomplished. The reversal of the trend. However, resistance at 1262 01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:59.359 particular occasions, boycott, non participation at the local and small 1263 01:32:59.399 --> 01:33:04.920 group level may perhaps prepare the ground. The subversive character 1264 01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:08.000 of the restoration of freedom appears most clearly in that 1265 01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:12.199 dimension of society where false tolerance and free enterprise do 1266 01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:16.640 perhaps the most serious and lasting damage, namely in business 1267 01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:17.920 and publicity. 1268 01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:26.119 So corporations and media. Let's try to parse, parse all 1269 01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:34.560 that together. I guess, to dumb it down. In a 1270 01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:39.600 democratic system, there will never be any type of social 1271 01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:45.640 upheaval that they haven't already approved of way ahead of time. 1272 01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:53.239 What else is he trying to say? It's going to 1273 01:33:53.239 --> 01:33:57.800 be the fortune five hundred corporations in the media, which 1274 01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:01.479 are the most liberal and all so the most free enterprise. 1275 01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:07.279 I don't mean free enterprise and like a libertarian context, 1276 01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:14.399 I mean like they eat amongst each other. They are 1277 01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:19.079 going to be the uh, the Petri dish, and the 1278 01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:25.920 accelerant for any type of any type of social upheaval 1279 01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:31.560 that has been pre approved. I think that's what he's 1280 01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:32.800 trying to say. In a nutshell. 1281 01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:35.279 If that's what he's trying to say to you think 1282 01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:40.560 we've seen that, Oh yeah, absolutely, it's default though, Yeah, 1283 01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:49.760 against the emphatic insistence on the part of spokesmen for labor, 1284 01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:54.720 I maintain that practices such as planned obsolescence, collusion between 1285 01:34:54.760 --> 01:35:00.000 union leadership and management, slanted publicity are not simply imposed 1286 01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:03.319 from above on a powerless rank and file, but are 1287 01:35:03.479 --> 01:35:08.399 tolerated by them and by the consumer at large. 1288 01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:10.880 Yeah, we tolerate a lot. 1289 01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:15.359 However, it would be ridiculous to speak of a possible 1290 01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:18.880 withdrawal of tolerance with respect to these practices and to 1291 01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:22.840 the ideologies promoted by them, for they pertain to the 1292 01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:27.600 basis on which the repressive, affluent society rests and reproduces 1293 01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:31.680 itself and its vital defenses. Their removal would be that 1294 01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:36.640 total revolution which this society so effectively repels. 1295 01:35:38.439 --> 01:35:41.760 Yeah, I mean again, I think what he's trying to 1296 01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:44.800 say is our material condition is so good that they're 1297 01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:47.079 willing to put up We are willing to put up 1298 01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:54.199 with so much. When we will eventually reach that trip 1299 01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:57.920 wire to where we chimp out, I don't know. But 1300 01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:01.560 even now, however bad you might think it is, I 1301 01:36:01.560 --> 01:36:02.359 think we still. 1302 01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:05.039 Have a while. Well. I mean, you were saying in 1303 01:36:05.119 --> 01:36:08.760 twenty twenty that people aren't hungry yet. 1304 01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:11.479 Yeah, ye, people aren't hungry yet. 1305 01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:16.600 To discuss tolerance in such a society means to re 1306 01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:20.560 examine the issue of violence and the traditional distinction between 1307 01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:25.079 violent and nonviolent action. The discussion should not from the 1308 01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:30.159 beginning be clouded by ideologies which serve the perpetuation of violence. 1309 01:36:31.159 --> 01:36:36.000 Even into the advanced centers of civilization, violence actually prevails. 1310 01:36:36.479 --> 01:36:39.119 It is practiced by the police in the prisons and 1311 01:36:39.159 --> 01:36:43.960 mental institutions, in the fight against racial minorities, it is carried. 1312 01:36:44.640 --> 01:36:48.600 It is carried by the defenders of metropolitan freedom into 1313 01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:57.600 the backward countries. The violence indeed breeds violence, but to 1314 01:36:57.680 --> 01:37:01.399 refrain from violence in the face of that superior violence 1315 01:37:01.479 --> 01:37:05.840 is one thing. To renounce a priori violence against violence 1316 01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:10.640 or ethical or sociological grounds because it may antagonize sympathizers 1317 01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:11.560 is another. 1318 01:37:12.439 --> 01:37:14.640 Yeah. 1319 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:20.039 Nonviolence is normally not only preached to to, but extracted 1320 01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:23.680 from the weak. It is a necessity rather than a virtue, 1321 01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:26.439 and normally it does not seriously harm. The case of 1322 01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:31.760 the strong is the case of India an exception. Their 1323 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:35.479 passive resistance was carried through on a massive scale which 1324 01:37:35.520 --> 01:37:39.399 disrupted or threatened to disrupt the economic life of the country. 1325 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:44.720 Quantity turns into quality. On such a scale, passive resistance 1326 01:37:44.800 --> 01:37:48.039 is no longer passive. It ceases to be non violent. 1327 01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:50.640 The same holds true for the general strike. 1328 01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:59.479 Yeah, I would just gallons if if the general strike 1329 01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:03.159 even approach entering the entering the modern discourse. 1330 01:38:07.880 --> 01:38:10.600 I mean when you every once in a while you'll 1331 01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:13.000 see someone talk about it, it'll be like Caleb mop 1332 01:38:13.039 --> 01:38:15.760 In and you just the people you would expect it 1333 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:16.479 to come from. 1334 01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:23.279 But it's it's a I mean from the right. Yeah, yeah, No, 1335 01:38:23.479 --> 01:38:27.600 I mean as as blue collar as the rights become 1336 01:38:27.640 --> 01:38:34.039 in the last you know, thirty years, you'll you'll never 1337 01:38:34.199 --> 01:38:36.680 you'll never see a general strike because then you go. 1338 01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:41.840 Hungry, right, right, And we're not a grarian. 1339 01:38:42.159 --> 01:38:43.319 Nope, not anymore, we're not. 1340 01:38:43.720 --> 01:38:48.359 Nope. Robespierre's distinction between the terror of liberty and the 1341 01:38:48.479 --> 01:38:52.359 terror of despotism, and his moral glorification of the former, 1342 01:38:52.600 --> 01:38:56.640 belongs to the most convincingly condemned aberrations. Even if the 1343 01:38:56.640 --> 01:39:04.079 white terror was more bloody than the Red terror. Yeah, well, 1344 01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:08.640 I mean, who want to try and compare and see 1345 01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:10.279 which one was more violent? I don't think we need 1346 01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:14.920 to do that. Yeah, the comparative evaluation in terms of 1347 01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:18.520 the number of victims is the quantifying approach, which reveals 1348 01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:22.159 a man made horror throughout history that made violence and necessity. 1349 01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:26.079 In terms of historical function, there is a difference between 1350 01:39:26.079 --> 01:39:30.159 the revolutionary and reactionary violence, between violence practiced by the 1351 01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:34.560 oppressed and by the oppressors in terms of Yeah, I 1352 01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:35.560 mean think about that. 1353 01:39:36.479 --> 01:39:40.640 And it's each ideology's responsibility to capture either one of 1354 01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:41.359 those terms. 1355 01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:47.319 First, I have seen people this week on social media 1356 01:39:47.960 --> 01:39:51.560 and in comments that we actually read yesterday in the 1357 01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:55.960 live stream we did for Old Glory Club where pro 1358 01:39:56.079 --> 01:39:59.800 trands people, people who were actually celebrating what happened at 1359 01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:04.720 that Christian school in Nashville were basically saying that they 1360 01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:09.600 were the oppressed and that the government was the oppressor 1361 01:40:09.800 --> 01:40:10.920 is still the oppressor to. 1362 01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:18.920 Them, They're yeah, I mean this is actually it's it's 1363 01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:22.079 so perfect that we're reading this in the backdrop of 1364 01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:26.560 that Nashville shooting, because you're seeing this in real life. Yeah, 1365 01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:34.520 I mean, it's it's insane. It's been such a black 1366 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:40.560 pill to see just nobody, like even people that we 1367 01:40:40.600 --> 01:40:47.039 would expect to have some type of strong take with it. Nothing, 1368 01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:50.319 nothing except for the usual people like that that we 1369 01:40:50.439 --> 01:40:53.880 see in our timeline that we expect, but man, it's 1370 01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:56.079 been fucking it's just been disappointed. 1371 01:40:57.560 --> 01:40:59.600 I mean, I hope I made some sense last night, 1372 01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:03.359 because you know, I'm one of those people who believes 1373 01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:07.039 that trans people are victims. I believe they're victims of 1374 01:41:07.279 --> 01:41:12.479 a campaign that, you know, just like any other campaign, 1375 01:41:12.560 --> 01:41:17.760 the campaign for FIAT money, the campaign for wars and everything. 1376 01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:21.920 But when it comes, once the violence starts, and once 1377 01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:27.920 innocent people start start falling by their hands, then I 1378 01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:31.000 have to step back and I have to go all right, Well, 1379 01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:38.880 I wasn't exactly supporting you at this point up until 1380 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:43.600 this point, but I'm definitely you know, I'm definitely disengaged, 1381 01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:46.159 and I'm not going to make any excuses anymore. 1382 01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:52.720 If tragedies like that are just, by the odds going 1383 01:41:52.800 --> 01:41:59.640 to happen, then I I almost hope that the level 1384 01:41:59.680 --> 01:42:05.479 of vitriol and shaden freud and just the opportunity, the 1385 01:42:05.520 --> 01:42:10.520 opportunism that comes about from basically dancing on victim's grave, 1386 01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:16.119 I almost hope that it drowns out rational voices. That's 1387 01:42:16.159 --> 01:42:18.000 that's what needs especially on the internet. 1388 01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:25.640 Yeah, yeah, excelent accelerationism on the Internet is basically the default. 1389 01:42:25.680 --> 01:42:26.800 There should be the default. 1390 01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:32.279 I I I don't like seeing it, and I don't 1391 01:42:31.359 --> 01:42:36.479 I don't know if if there is a way to 1392 01:42:37.039 --> 01:42:40.520 separate your internet self from your real life self and 1393 01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:46.239 say that it's the complete fucking opposite. I'm I'm there. 1394 01:42:46.439 --> 01:42:48.680 I don't know if I'm morally correct. I don't know 1395 01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:50.439 if I'm going to burn an l for that, But. 1396 01:42:53.239 --> 01:42:58.840 Yeah, yeah, right. In terms of ethics, both forms of 1397 01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:03.439 violence are inhuman and evil. But since when is history 1398 01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:07.840 made in accordance with ethical standards? It's a great question. 1399 01:43:09.640 --> 01:43:12.560 It's a question that I ask all the time when 1400 01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:17.319 people try to make moral arguments with me. So what 1401 01:43:17.479 --> 01:43:23.039 does morality have to do with this? To start applying 1402 01:43:23.079 --> 01:43:27.159 them at the point where the oppressed rebel against the oppress, 1403 01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:30.800 to start applying them at the point where the oppressed 1404 01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:35.239 rebel against the oppressors, the have nots against the haves 1405 01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:39.239 is serving the cause of actual violence by weakening the 1406 01:43:39.279 --> 01:43:45.000 protest against it. Here he quotes Jean Paul Sart. Try 1407 01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:48.600 to understand this at any rate. If violence began this 1408 01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:52.279 very evening, and if exploitation and oppression had never existed 1409 01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:55.640 on the earth. Perhaps the slogans of nonviolence might end 1410 01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:59.640 the coral. But if the whole regime, even for non violence, 1411 01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:05.439 even nonviolent ideas, are conditioned by a thousand year old oppression, 1412 01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:08.880 your passivity serves only to place you in the rank 1413 01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:09.880 of the oppressors. 1414 01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:11.840 Silence is violence. 1415 01:44:14.279 --> 01:44:19.520 But I mean, you see see people on our side too. Yeah, 1416 01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:24.079 I'm an ally, You're an ally. That's great, all right. 1417 01:44:24.640 --> 01:44:28.199 The very notion of false tolerance and the distinction between 1418 01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:33.640 right and wrong, limitations on tolerance, between progressive and regressive indoctrination, 1419 01:44:34.159 --> 01:44:38.399 revolutionary and reactionary violence, demand the statement of criteria for 1420 01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:44.239 its validity. These standards must be prior to whatever constitutional 1421 01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:47.359 and legal criteria are set up and applied in an 1422 01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:51.119 existing society which has clear Yeah. 1423 01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:56.279 First principles shouldn't be my constitution, yep, orm due process. 1424 01:44:56.840 --> 01:45:00.439 Well, I mean, yeah, I remember the first person I 1425 01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:03.840 really talked to who who said this was Arn McIntyre, 1426 01:45:03.840 --> 01:45:06.359 and he said, look, if you got to write, if 1427 01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:08.880 your society has to write stuff down, you've already lost. 1428 01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:12.079 If you have to write your laws down, you've already lost. 1429 01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:14.359 Yeah. Who are you writing them down for? 1430 01:45:14.920 --> 01:45:20.600 Yeah? All right? So okay, read that whole thing again. 1431 01:45:21.920 --> 01:45:25.279 These standards must be prior to whatever constitutional and legal 1432 01:45:25.319 --> 01:45:28.119 criteria are set up and applied in an existing society, 1433 01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:31.439 such as clear and present danger and other established definitions 1434 01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:36.239 of civil rights and liberties. For such definitions themselves presupposed 1435 01:45:36.239 --> 01:45:40.680 standards of freedom and repression as applicable or not applicable 1436 01:45:40.760 --> 01:45:46.399 in the respective society. They are specifications of more general concepts. 1437 01:45:47.920 --> 01:45:51.199 By whom and according to what standards can the political 1438 01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:55.159 distinction between true and false, progressive and regressive. For in 1439 01:45:55.199 --> 01:45:58.840 this sphere these pairs are equivalent be made and its 1440 01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:03.920 validity be just defied. At the outset, I propose that 1441 01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:07.479 the question cannot be answered in terms of the alternative 1442 01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:12.000 between democracy and dictatorship, according to which in the latter 1443 01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:15.720 one individual or group, without any effective control from below, 1444 01:46:16.760 --> 01:46:24.760 arrogate to them to themselves the decision. Historically, even in 1445 01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:28.600 the most democratic democracies, the vital and final decisions affecting 1446 01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:32.079 the society as a whole have been made constitutionally or 1447 01:46:32.119 --> 01:46:35.560 in fact, by one or several groups without effective control 1448 01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:41.520 by the people themselves. The ironical question what true I mean, 1449 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:42.800 it's it's. 1450 01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:46.399 Just democracy is just a bunch of interest groups fighting. 1451 01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:52.760 Yeah, it's it's whichever group of elites you win. Basically, 1452 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:58.479 the ironical question who educates the educators i e. The 1453 01:46:58.520 --> 01:47:04.039 political leaders? All so applies to democracy. The only authentic 1454 01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:07.680 alternative and negation of dictatorship with respect to this question 1455 01:47:08.119 --> 01:47:10.439 would be a society in which the people have become 1456 01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:14.960 autonomous individuals, freed from the repressive requirements of a struggle 1457 01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:18.239 for existence and the interest of domination, and as such 1458 01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:21.680 human beings choosing their government and determining their life. 1459 01:47:22.520 --> 01:47:31.960 Chazz, he's describing Chaz and Capistan and Japistan. Yeah, autonomy 1460 01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:34.079 and freedom. 1461 01:47:34.279 --> 01:47:38.000 Such a society does not yet exist anywhere in the means, 1462 01:47:38.680 --> 01:47:42.079 and it never will. In the meantime, the question must 1463 01:47:42.119 --> 01:47:46.560 be treated in an abstract though abstraction, not from the 1464 01:47:46.720 --> 01:47:51.159 historical possibilities, but from the realities of the prevailing societies. 1465 01:47:52.479 --> 01:47:55.359 So he's basically going to apply something that doesn't exist 1466 01:47:55.720 --> 01:48:01.399 to reality. And as I think it was, Sam Francis said, 1467 01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:06.520 channeling James Burnham, that never works because, and I will paraphrase, 1468 01:48:08.199 --> 01:48:10.039 everybody thinks they have a plan till they get punched 1469 01:48:10.039 --> 01:48:13.239 in the mouth. Yeah, everybody or everybody has a plan, 1470 01:48:13.319 --> 01:48:14.319 so they get punched in the mouth. 1471 01:48:14.840 --> 01:48:15.159 All right. 1472 01:48:16.439 --> 01:48:19.680 I think that was Mike Tyson too, just bringing all 1473 01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:23.840 the philosophers in. I suggested that the distinction between true 1474 01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:28.119 and false tolerance, between progress and regression can be made 1475 01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:32.960 rationally on empirical grounds. The real possibilities of human freedom 1476 01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:36.000 are relative to the attained stage of civilization. 1477 01:48:37.039 --> 01:48:38.720 Right now, we're getting into some Marxism. 1478 01:48:40.039 --> 01:48:43.560 They depend on the material and intellectual resources available at 1479 01:48:43.560 --> 01:48:47.760 their respective stage, and they are quantifiable and calculable to 1480 01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:52.520 a high degree. So are at the stage of advanced 1481 01:48:52.520 --> 01:48:56.359 industrial society the most rational ways of using these resources 1482 01:48:56.399 --> 01:48:59.840 and distributing the social product, with priority on the satisfaction 1483 01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:03.640 vital needs, and with a minimum of toil and injustice. 1484 01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:05.600 Oh god, oh. 1485 01:49:08.319 --> 01:49:10.720 H you knew it was coming. You knew it was coming. 1486 01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:14.760 Oh I was waiting for it so excited. I'm back, 1487 01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:15.399 I'm back. 1488 01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:19.359 In other words, it is possible to define the direction 1489 01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:23.159 in which prevailing institutions, policies, opinions would have to be 1490 01:49:23.279 --> 01:49:25.880 changed in order to improve the chance of a peace 1491 01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:29.000 which is not identical with cold war and a little 1492 01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:32.159 hot war, and a satisfaction of needs which does not 1493 01:49:32.239 --> 01:49:39.119 feed on poverty, oppression, and exploitation. Consequently, it is also 1494 01:49:39.239 --> 01:49:43.800 possible to identify policies, opinions, movements which would promote this 1495 01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:49.119 chance and those which would do the opposite. Suppression of 1496 01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:52.399 the regressive ones is a prerequisite for the strengthening of 1497 01:49:52.439 --> 01:49:53.600 the progressive ones. 1498 01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:59.560 It's power as a fixed pot baby, and the Marxists wanted, 1499 01:50:01.319 --> 01:50:03.600 I want it. 1500 01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:07.960 My My theory is that power is a power, is 1501 01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:11.159 a constant, and it's just it's just being divvied up. 1502 01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:19.079 Who divvs it up? Who gets the biggest piece? The 1503 01:50:19.199 --> 01:50:23.079 question who is qualified to make all these distinctions, definitions, 1504 01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:26.880 identifications for the society as a whole has now one 1505 01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:35.239 logical answer, namely, namely everyone in the maturity of his 1506 01:50:35.359 --> 01:50:39.000 faculties as a human being, everyone who has learned to 1507 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:41.039 think rationally and autonomously. 1508 01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:42.159 What about. 1509 01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:47.880 Well, what about the ones who haven't? And that's how 1510 01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:50.640 you get a dictatorship? 1511 01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:55.800 What they if your average country is plummeting? 1512 01:50:57.159 --> 01:51:04.239 What if this is Somalia? John Stewart Mill's conception of 1513 01:51:04.279 --> 01:51:08.119 the of the rest publica is not the opposite of Plato's. 1514 01:51:09.039 --> 01:51:12.960 The liberal, too, demands the authority of reason, not only 1515 01:51:13.039 --> 01:51:19.319 as an intellectual but also as a political power. Huh okay, 1516 01:51:21.239 --> 01:51:25.960 I was just thinking how the objective the objectivists all, 1517 01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:29.000 you know, say they need a society based on reason, 1518 01:51:29.079 --> 01:51:32.199 where the police would there would be the police would 1519 01:51:32.279 --> 01:51:38.560 enforce reason. I'm not even kidding, I'm not even kidding. 1520 01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:44.159 In Plato, rationality is confined to the small number of 1521 01:51:44.199 --> 01:51:49.319 philosopher kings. In mill every rational human being participates in 1522 01:51:49.359 --> 01:51:53.199 the discussion and decision, but only as a rational being. 1523 01:51:54.399 --> 01:51:58.279 Where society has entered the phase of total administration and indoctrination, 1524 01:51:58.880 --> 01:52:02.520 this would be a small indeed, and not necessarily that 1525 01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:04.520 of elected representatives of the people. 1526 01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:06.319 Huh. 1527 01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:12.199 Imagine that the problem is not that of an educational dictatorship, 1528 01:52:12.640 --> 01:52:15.760 but that of breaking the tyranny of public opinion and 1529 01:52:15.800 --> 01:52:18.279 its makers in the closed society. 1530 01:52:20.640 --> 01:52:25.079 Yeah, I mean, public opinion can never really be organic, 1531 01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:30.840 can it? Because public opinion is itself a weird, fucking 1532 01:52:31.600 --> 01:52:33.760 nebulous idea. 1533 01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:36.439 Even if you broke it down to like Dunbar's number, 1534 01:52:37.720 --> 01:52:42.119 the whatever natural elites or pastors are in that group, 1535 01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:45.479 or who are going to make public opinion, you know, 1536 01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:51.840 the they're they're going to be the leaders. Pretty much 1537 01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:56.199 what people say about their governing style. Their governance is 1538 01:52:56.239 --> 01:52:58.399 going to be coming. They're just going to be repeating 1539 01:52:58.399 --> 01:52:59.520 what those men are saying. 1540 01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:04.239 Yeah, more or less, or basing their opinions off of 1541 01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:07.840 what they were taught from, you know, the progenitors of 1542 01:53:07.920 --> 01:53:08.359 those men. 1543 01:53:09.359 --> 01:53:15.800 Yeah. However, granted the empirical rationality of the distinction between 1544 01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:19.159 progress and regression, and granted that it may be applicable 1545 01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:25.279 to tolerance and may justify strongly discriminatory tolerance on political grounds, 1546 01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:28.680 cancelation of the liberal creed of free and equal discussion. 1547 01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:35.800 Another impossible consequence would follow. I say that, by virtue 1548 01:53:35.800 --> 01:53:40.039 of its inner logic, withdrawal of tolerance from regressive movements 1549 01:53:40.359 --> 01:53:44.960 and discriminatory tolerance in favor of the progressive tendencies would 1550 01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:51.399 be tantamount to the official promotion of subversion. Hume, imagine that. 1551 01:53:51.319 --> 01:53:54.800 All right, now he's on to something. 1552 01:53:55.239 --> 01:53:58.840 Yep. The historical calculus of progress, which is actually the 1553 01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:05.439 calculus of the perspective reduction of cruelty, misery, suppression, seems to. 1554 01:54:07.159 --> 01:54:08.520 Such a vagina. 1555 01:54:11.079 --> 01:54:14.479 Read it again, the historical calculus of progress, which is 1556 01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:18.399 actually the calculus of the perspective reduction of cruelty, misery, 1557 01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:24.800 and suppression seems to involve the calculated choice between two 1558 01:54:24.880 --> 01:54:27.680 forms of political violence, that on the part of the 1559 01:54:27.760 --> 01:54:32.680 legally constituted powers, by their legitimate action or by their 1560 01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:36.600 tacit consent or by their inability to prevent violence, and 1561 01:54:36.640 --> 01:54:42.960 that on the part of potentially subversive movements. Moreover, with 1562 01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:46.840 respect to the latter, a policy of unequal treatment would 1563 01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:50.520 protect radicalism on the left against that on the right. 1564 01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:56.159 Can the historical Can the historical calculus be reasonably extended 1565 01:54:56.159 --> 01:54:58.920 to the justification of one form of violence or against 1566 01:54:59.079 --> 01:55:05.159 as against another, or better, since justification carries a moral connotation, 1567 01:55:09.359 --> 01:55:14.000 or better, since justification carries a moral connotation, Is there 1568 01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:17.000 historical evidence to the effect that the social origin and 1569 01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:20.239 impetus of violence from among the ruled or the ruling 1570 01:55:20.279 --> 01:55:24.239 classes to the have or the have not, the left 1571 01:55:24.319 --> 01:55:27.800 or the right, is in a demonstrable relation to progress 1572 01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:29.840 as defined above. 1573 01:55:32.399 --> 01:55:40.439 I love it, We're getting taken on another wild ride. Why, 1574 01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:44.039 here's why you should throw your face into the brick 1575 01:55:44.119 --> 01:55:44.920 being thrown at you. 1576 01:55:48.640 --> 01:55:52.199 With all the qualifications of a hypothesis based on an 1577 01:55:52.239 --> 01:55:56.159 open historical record, it seems that the violence emanating from 1578 01:55:56.159 --> 01:56:00.000 the rebellion of the oppressed classes broke the historical continue 1579 01:56:00.399 --> 01:56:04.840 of injustice, cruelty, and silence for a brief moment, brief 1580 01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:07.960 but explosive enough to achieve an increase in the scope 1581 01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:11.159 of freedom and justice and a better and more equitable 1582 01:56:11.199 --> 01:56:15.079 distribution of misery and oppression in a new social system. 1583 01:56:15.479 --> 01:56:21.800 In one word, progress in civilization. Oh, I'm glad he's 1584 01:56:21.880 --> 01:56:25.119 bringing these up here. Okay? Good? The English Civil Wars, 1585 01:56:25.279 --> 01:56:28.880 the French Revolution, the Chinese and the Cuban revolutions may 1586 01:56:28.960 --> 01:56:33.560 illustrate the hypothesis. In contrast, the one historical change from 1587 01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:36.439 one social system to another marking the beginning of a 1588 01:56:36.479 --> 01:56:40.800 new period in civilization, which was not sparked and driven 1589 01:56:40.840 --> 01:56:44.840 by an effective movement from below, namely, the collapse of 1590 01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:47.640 the Roman Empire in the West brought about a long 1591 01:56:47.680 --> 01:56:51.439 period of regression for long centuries, until a new, higher 1592 01:56:51.479 --> 01:56:55.680 period of civilization was painfully born in the violence of 1593 01:56:55.760 --> 01:56:58.800 the heretic revolts of the thirteenth century and in the 1594 01:56:58.840 --> 01:57:04.239 peasant and laborery vaults of the fourteenth century. 1595 01:57:05.359 --> 01:57:08.079 That's a very generous interpretation. 1596 01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:13.680 With respect to historical violence emanating from among ruling classes. 1597 01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:18.720 No such relations to progress seems to obtain the long 1598 01:57:18.840 --> 01:57:23.680 series of dynastic and imperialist wars. The liquidation of Spartacus 1599 01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:28.560 in Germany in nineteen nineteen. Fascism and Nazism did not break, 1600 01:57:28.560 --> 01:57:32.359 but rather tightened than streamline the continuum of suppression. 1601 01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:41.880 Really, I guess where that did not break but rather 1602 01:57:42.039 --> 01:57:52.680 tightened in streamlined. Yeah, I don't get that. I don't 1603 01:57:52.680 --> 01:57:59.319 get why he would describe Nazism as tightening and streamlined. Yeah, 1604 01:57:59.319 --> 01:58:03.439 I guess lining the continuum of suppression. Yeah, but if 1605 01:58:03.479 --> 01:58:07.239 he's if it's meant to be pejorative, then yeah, he's 1606 01:58:07.239 --> 01:58:08.279 giving it more credit. 1607 01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:14.640 I said, emanating from among ruling classes. To be sure, 1608 01:58:14.680 --> 01:58:18.079 there is hardly any organized violence from above that does 1609 01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:20.920 not mobilize and activate mass support from below. 1610 01:58:21.600 --> 01:58:24.039 Oh all right, I see what he's saying. 1611 01:58:25.640 --> 01:58:28.560 The decisive question is on behalf of and in the 1612 01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:32.800 interest of, which groups and institutions is such violence released? 1613 01:58:33.279 --> 01:58:38.600 I mean the National Socialist Party, I mean that's that's 1614 01:58:38.680 --> 01:58:44.520 started as grassroots kind of street brawling, right, yeah, like 1615 01:58:44.600 --> 01:58:49.560 it didn't really get well, I don't know were there's 1616 01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:53.079 some like old old kaiser Reich types in it from 1617 01:58:53.119 --> 01:58:53.680 the beginning. 1618 01:58:54.520 --> 01:58:56.880 Well, I mean they were all guys who fought world 1619 01:58:57.199 --> 01:58:58.079 in World War One? 1620 01:58:58.640 --> 01:59:01.039 Yeah, yeah, But were they like aristocrats? 1621 01:59:02.600 --> 01:59:03.960 I mean there were a couple. 1622 01:59:05.319 --> 01:59:08.000 There were just a couple, not enough to characterize it 1623 01:59:08.039 --> 01:59:09.479 as an aristocratic movement. 1624 01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:11.720 I would probably say there may have been a chance 1625 01:59:11.720 --> 01:59:18.279 that there were more aristocrats in the KPD. Yeah, yeah, right, 1626 01:59:18.720 --> 01:59:22.359 And the answer is not necessarily exposed in the historical 1627 01:59:22.399 --> 01:59:26.279 examples just mentioned. It could be and was anticipated whether 1628 01:59:26.319 --> 01:59:29.640 the movement would serve the revamping of the old order 1629 01:59:30.039 --> 01:59:36.000 or the emergence of the new liberating tolerance then would 1630 01:59:36.079 --> 01:59:40.880 mean intolerance against movements from the right and toleration of movements. 1631 01:59:40.439 --> 01:59:44.520 From the left. Yes, absolutely. 1632 01:59:46.399 --> 01:59:52.720 Right. There highlight that as to the scope of this 1633 01:59:52.880 --> 01:59:56.039 tolerance and intolerance, it would extend to the stage of 1634 01:59:56.159 --> 02:00:00.760 action as well as of discussion and propaganda, as well 1635 02:00:00.800 --> 02:00:01.520 as of word. 1636 02:00:02.079 --> 02:00:04.479 And you're seeing that since twenty. 1637 02:00:04.199 --> 02:00:08.239 Fifteen, since he came down that escalator. 1638 02:00:08.720 --> 02:00:09.399 Yeah, yep. 1639 02:00:11.760 --> 02:00:15.560 The traditional criterion of clear and present danger seems no. 1640 02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:17.720 We talk about that, We talk about how people want 1641 02:00:17.760 --> 02:00:22.279 to discount exactly. I mean, who cares. I mean, Trump 1642 02:00:22.359 --> 02:00:25.279 didn't get anything done and couldn't get anything done, But 1643 02:00:25.359 --> 02:00:27.239 that's not the point of Trump. That The point of 1644 02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:32.159 Trump is just how he started all this. Yeah, there 1645 02:00:32.199 --> 02:00:36.560 were you know, okay, the Trayvon Martin shooting, well, Occupy 1646 02:00:36.600 --> 02:00:40.079 Wall Street and the Trayvon Martin shooting, and then the 1647 02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:45.640 Michael Brown shooting, the formation of BLM, which most people 1648 02:00:45.720 --> 02:00:49.840 don't remember. Barack Obama would basically call a terrorist group, 1649 02:00:50.239 --> 02:00:53.439 the Democrats would call a terrorist group. And then you 1650 02:00:53.479 --> 02:00:59.000 get up to twenty fifteen and Trump goes down that escalator, 1651 02:01:00.199 --> 02:01:03.560 start saying the things that he says, and then it 1652 02:01:03.640 --> 02:01:05.640 was just okay, we have to take sides. Now. 1653 02:01:06.920 --> 02:01:12.199 I think if Trump were the most competent, most machiavellian politician, 1654 02:01:12.319 --> 02:01:16.600 political actor, power player in the world, that he still 1655 02:01:16.640 --> 02:01:18.520 would have wouldn't have been able to do anything. 1656 02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:19.039 Yeah. 1657 02:01:19.239 --> 02:01:23.119 They they started working on him from the second he 1658 02:01:23.359 --> 02:01:25.720 blew away the primary debates. 1659 02:01:26.039 --> 02:01:32.960 Yeah. Yeah, when when he acted like a like no 1660 02:01:33.000 --> 02:01:36.960 one's ever seen in you know, in this lifetime and 1661 02:01:37.000 --> 02:01:40.199 in many lifetimes, someone acts like that in a political 1662 02:01:40.239 --> 02:01:43.720 debate in this country. When he started acting like that 1663 02:01:43.920 --> 02:01:47.439 and the people responded to him positively, you know, when 1664 02:01:47.479 --> 02:01:50.279 a certain group on the right responded to him positively, 1665 02:01:50.720 --> 02:01:53.760 the right. But basically then they knew that there was 1666 02:01:53.800 --> 02:01:58.439 something really good, and then Brexit bres it was another thing. Yeah, 1667 02:01:58.439 --> 02:02:01.600 but which really means nothing. I mean, but it was 1668 02:02:02.359 --> 02:02:06.640 it breaks it means basically nothing, has meant nothing other 1669 02:02:06.720 --> 02:02:09.520 than some other than symbolism. Pretty much just like Trump. 1670 02:02:10.079 --> 02:02:12.920 Yeah, I mean again, you could have the most the 1671 02:02:13.000 --> 02:02:20.800 most ruthless, ruthless political actors, the highest caliber, and I 1672 02:02:20.840 --> 02:02:23.800 think they still would have ended up like Trump, just 1673 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:27.359 as effective as Trump and breaks it. Yeah. They were, 1674 02:02:27.359 --> 02:02:29.600 they were, They were ready. They had everything in order 1675 02:02:30.960 --> 02:02:34.359 well before he posed a real threat or while before 1676 02:02:34.399 --> 02:02:35.680 he've got formal power. 1677 02:02:36.399 --> 02:02:38.239 These people have been doing this for one hundred years. 1678 02:02:38.279 --> 02:02:41.920 They're not stupid. Yeah, all right, let me start that 1679 02:02:41.920 --> 02:02:44.560 one again. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance, 1680 02:02:44.640 --> 02:02:47.720 it would extend to the stage of action as well 1681 02:02:47.760 --> 02:02:51.520 as of discussion and propaganda of deed, as well as 1682 02:02:51.560 --> 02:02:55.359 of word. The traditional criterion of clear and present danger 1683 02:02:55.439 --> 02:02:58.439 seems no longer adequate to a stage where the whole 1684 02:02:58.479 --> 02:03:02.039 society is in the situation the theater audience when somebody 1685 02:03:02.079 --> 02:03:06.960 cries fire. It is a situation in which the total 1686 02:03:07.000 --> 02:03:11.079 catastrophe could be triggered off any moment, not only by 1687 02:03:11.079 --> 02:03:15.279 a technical error but also by a rational miscalculation of risks, 1688 02:03:16.520 --> 02:03:22.600 or by a rash speech of one of the leaders. 1689 02:03:22.600 --> 02:03:26.439 In past, in different circumstances, the speeches of the Fascist 1690 02:03:26.520 --> 02:03:30.479 and Nazi leaders were the immediate prologue to the massacre. 1691 02:03:32.039 --> 02:03:35.199 The distance between the propaganda and the action, between the 1692 02:03:35.359 --> 02:03:39.520 organization and its release on the people had become too short, 1693 02:03:40.920 --> 02:03:43.359 But the spreading of the word could have stopped before 1694 02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:46.600 it was too late. If the democratic tolerance had been 1695 02:03:46.640 --> 02:03:51.079 withdrawn when the future leaders started their campaign, mankind would 1696 02:03:51.079 --> 02:03:54.159 have had a chance of avoiding Auschwitz in the World War. 1697 02:03:56.760 --> 02:04:03.560 He sounds like every jew on my timeline. 1698 02:04:06.079 --> 02:04:09.600 All right, let's keep going. The whole post fascist period 1699 02:04:09.760 --> 02:04:15.000 is one of clear and present danger. Consequently, true pacification 1700 02:04:15.199 --> 02:04:18.720 requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the 1701 02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:24.359 stage of communication, in word, print and picture. Such extreme 1702 02:04:25.000 --> 02:04:28.119 suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly 1703 02:04:28.479 --> 02:04:31.600 is indeed justified only in the whole of a society. 1704 02:04:31.720 --> 02:04:35.239 Only in the whole of a society is in extreme danger. 1705 02:04:36.680 --> 02:04:39.439 I maintain that our society is in such an extreme 1706 02:04:39.880 --> 02:04:43.640 emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state 1707 02:04:43.720 --> 02:04:44.439 of affairs. 1708 02:04:48.039 --> 02:04:51.159 Yeah this, once you declare a state of emergency. It 1709 02:04:51.199 --> 02:04:52.439 never goes away. 1710 02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:58.000 Different opinions and philosophies can no longer compete peacefully for 1711 02:04:58.079 --> 02:05:02.199 adherence and persuasion on rational grounds. The marketplace of ideas 1712 02:05:02.279 --> 02:05:06.079 is organized and delimited by those who determine the national 1713 02:05:06.119 --> 02:05:11.920 and the individual interest. Hey, I'm back, I'm here, I'm back, we're. 1714 02:05:15.039 --> 02:05:17.399 The description of the problem is spot on. 1715 02:05:18.000 --> 02:05:24.439 Yeah. Yeah. In this society for which the ideologists have 1716 02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:28.560 proclaimed the end of ideology, the false consciousness has become 1717 02:05:28.600 --> 02:05:32.079 the general consciousness, from the government down to its last 1718 02:05:32.079 --> 02:05:37.560 subject objects. The small and powerless minorities which struggle against 1719 02:05:37.600 --> 02:05:42.479 the false consciousness and its beneficiaries must be helped. Their 1720 02:05:42.520 --> 02:05:46.000 continued existence is more important than the preservation of abused 1721 02:05:46.119 --> 02:05:49.600 rights and liberties, which grant constitutional powers to those who 1722 02:05:49.680 --> 02:05:56.359 oppress these minorities. It should be evident by now that 1723 02:05:56.399 --> 02:05:59.079 the exercise of civil rights by those who don't have 1724 02:05:59.640 --> 02:06:02.840 them presupposes to withdrawal of civil rights from those who 1725 02:06:02.880 --> 02:06:06.199 prevent their exercise, and the liberation of the damned of 1726 02:06:06.239 --> 02:06:10.119 the earth presupposed the suppression not only for their old 1727 02:06:10.199 --> 02:06:11.880 but also of their new mass. 1728 02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:20.359 Yes, all right, I'm rock hard again, Look me gaining 1729 02:06:20.479 --> 02:06:24.279 my sense of normalcy requires you losing yours. 1730 02:06:26.920 --> 02:06:28.000 That's exactly what it is. 1731 02:06:28.560 --> 02:06:31.159 And more and more people are having less and less 1732 02:06:31.159 --> 02:06:35.880 problem telling people that, which is great because he's absolutely right. 1733 02:06:35.880 --> 02:06:38.359 There is no rational discourse. There hasn't been for a while, 1734 02:06:38.600 --> 02:06:42.439 and even when there was, it was artificial in every sense. 1735 02:06:43.439 --> 02:06:46.000 How can you have a rational discourse with people who 1736 02:06:46.000 --> 02:06:48.359 are I mean, it used to be Oh it was 1737 02:06:48.359 --> 02:06:51.079 someone on Oh, this is just someone on Twitter. Come on, 1738 02:06:51.960 --> 02:06:56.680 just turn on the cable news. 1739 02:06:55.960 --> 02:07:00.119 All right, it's two channels. Man. There's a plu. 1740 02:07:02.239 --> 02:07:08.000 Right withdrawal of tolerance from regressive movements before they can 1741 02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:12.760 become active in tolerance even toward thought, opinion, and word, 1742 02:07:12.920 --> 02:07:17.159 and finally intolerance in the opposite direction, that is, towards 1743 02:07:17.199 --> 02:07:21.119 the self styled conservatives to the political right. These anti 1744 02:07:21.159 --> 02:07:25.560 democratic notions respond to the actual development of the democratic society, 1745 02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:28.920 which has destroyed the basis for universal tolerance. 1746 02:07:30.399 --> 02:07:33.840 Yeah, they're doing that right now. It's great. 1747 02:07:36.039 --> 02:07:39.760 The conditions under which tolerance can again become a liberating 1748 02:07:39.800 --> 02:07:44.079 and humanizing force have still to be created. When tolerance 1749 02:07:44.119 --> 02:07:47.920 mainly serves the protection and preservation of a repressive society, 1750 02:07:48.199 --> 02:07:51.359 when it serves to neutralize opposition, and to render men 1751 02:07:51.479 --> 02:07:55.279 immune against other and better forms of life than tolerance 1752 02:07:55.520 --> 02:08:04.000 has been perverted. I mean you're yeah, I agree, Yeah, 1753 02:08:04.560 --> 02:08:05.000 I agree. 1754 02:08:07.239 --> 02:08:11.560 Only let's let's fucking let's rotate this. Yeah, one hundred 1755 02:08:11.560 --> 02:08:12.279 and eighty degrees. 1756 02:08:14.279 --> 02:08:16.520 And when this perversion starts in the mind of the 1757 02:08:16.560 --> 02:08:21.720 individual in his consciousness, his needs when hetero, when hetero, 1758 02:08:22.000 --> 02:08:30.720 when heteronom heteron heterononymous, heterononymous. Let's do that again. And 1759 02:08:30.760 --> 02:08:33.439 when this perversion starts in the mind of the individual 1760 02:08:33.600 --> 02:08:39.520 in his consciousness, his needs when heteronomymous interests occupy him 1761 02:08:39.640 --> 02:08:42.920 before he can experience his servitude, than the efforts to 1762 02:08:43.079 --> 02:08:48.760 counteract his dehumanity. Dehumanization. Dehumanization must begin at the place 1763 02:08:48.800 --> 02:08:53.520 of entrance. There where the where the false consciousness takes form, 1764 02:08:53.800 --> 02:08:57.239 or rather it's systematically formed. It must begin with stopping 1765 02:08:57.279 --> 02:09:01.359 the words and images which feed this conscious. 1766 02:09:00.680 --> 02:09:03.880 That's right, that's why we're going to crack down on disinformation. 1767 02:09:05.960 --> 02:09:08.680 I see what you're saying. Oh yeah, you know, planting 1768 02:09:08.720 --> 02:09:11.680 the idea sees in people's head like that's bad and 1769 02:09:11.720 --> 02:09:14.920 wrong and you shouldn't do it, and it goes from there. 1770 02:09:15.279 --> 02:09:17.319 You go from there too. Now you're not allowed to 1771 02:09:17.319 --> 02:09:18.000 do it. 1772 02:09:19.920 --> 02:09:24.159 To be sure, this is censorship, even pre censorship, but 1773 02:09:24.359 --> 02:09:27.760 openly directed against the more or less hidden censorship that 1774 02:09:27.880 --> 02:09:32.640 permeates the free media. Where the false consciousness has become 1775 02:09:32.720 --> 02:09:37.159 prevalent and national and popular behavior, it translates itself almost 1776 02:09:37.199 --> 02:09:42.680 immediately into practice. The safe distance between ideology and reality, 1777 02:09:43.000 --> 02:09:46.600 repressive thought and repressive action, between the word of destruction 1778 02:09:46.680 --> 02:09:52.359 and deed of destruction is dangerously shortened. Thus, the breakthrough 1779 02:09:52.399 --> 02:09:55.920 the false consciousness may provide the Archimedean point for a 1780 02:09:56.000 --> 02:10:01.359 larger emancipation at an infinitesimally small spot, to be sure, 1781 02:10:01.680 --> 02:10:04.560 But it is on the enlargement of such small spots 1782 02:10:04.800 --> 02:10:10.479 that the chance of change depends. The forces of emancipation 1783 02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:14.520 cannot be identified with any social class which, by virtue 1784 02:10:14.520 --> 02:10:19.039 of its material condition is free from false consciousness. 1785 02:10:18.840 --> 02:10:21.239 Going to ameliarize the escaton bro. 1786 02:10:23.479 --> 02:10:27.279 Today, they are hopelessly dispersed throughout the society, and the 1787 02:10:27.319 --> 02:10:30.920 fighting minorities and isolated groups are often in opposition to 1788 02:10:30.960 --> 02:10:36.039 their own leadership. In the society at large, the mental 1789 02:10:36.079 --> 02:10:41.840 space for denial and reflection must first be recreated. Repulsed 1790 02:10:41.880 --> 02:10:46.479 by the concreteness of the administered society, the effort of 1791 02:10:46.520 --> 02:10:51.880 emancipation becomes abstract. It is reduced to facilitating the recognition 1792 02:10:52.199 --> 02:10:55.079 of what is going on, to freeing language from the 1793 02:10:55.079 --> 02:10:59.119 tyranny of the Orwellian syntax and logic, to developing the 1794 02:10:59.239 --> 02:11:09.119 concept that the concepts that comprehend Reality's describing libertarianism more 1795 02:11:09.159 --> 02:11:12.920 than ever, the proposition holds true that progress in freedom 1796 02:11:12.960 --> 02:11:17.199 demands progress in the consciousness of freedom. Where the mind 1797 02:11:17.239 --> 02:11:21.199 has been made into a subject object of politics and policies, 1798 02:11:21.600 --> 02:11:25.720 intellectual autonomy, the realm of pure thought has become a 1799 02:11:25.760 --> 02:11:34.000 matter of political education, or rather counter education. This you 1800 02:11:34.039 --> 02:11:41.600 got anything, not just just yeah. This means that previously 1801 02:11:41.720 --> 02:11:45.520 neutral value free formal aspects of learning and teaching now 1802 02:11:45.560 --> 02:11:48.159 become on their own grounds and in their own right, 1803 02:11:48.439 --> 02:11:52.720 political learning. To know the facts, the whole truth, and 1804 02:11:52.800 --> 02:12:00.399 to comprehend it is radical criticism throughout intellectual subversion. In 1805 02:12:00.439 --> 02:12:03.000 a world in which the human faculties and needs are 1806 02:12:03.119 --> 02:12:07.439 arrested or perverted, autonomous thinking leads into a perverted world 1807 02:12:08.359 --> 02:12:13.279 contradiction and counter image of the established world of repression. 1808 02:12:15.000 --> 02:12:17.920 I think the world that he is trying to lead 1809 02:12:17.960 --> 02:12:21.520 them into is going to be a much more perverted world, 1810 02:12:21.920 --> 02:12:26.079 but I'm using perverted in a much different way. 1811 02:12:26.239 --> 02:12:28.520 It's going to be a much more annoying world. 1812 02:12:32.479 --> 02:12:36.680 And this contradiction is not simply stipulated, is not simply 1813 02:12:36.720 --> 02:12:39.720 the product of confused thinking or fantasy, but is the 1814 02:12:39.840 --> 02:12:45.560 logical development of the given the existing world. To the 1815 02:12:45.600 --> 02:12:48.680 degree to which this development is actually impeded by the 1816 02:12:48.680 --> 02:12:51.960 sheer weight of a repressive society and the necessity of 1817 02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:57.680 making a living in it. Repression invades the academic enterprise itself, 1818 02:12:58.239 --> 02:13:04.239 even prior to all restrictions on academic freedom. The preempting 1819 02:13:04.239 --> 02:13:11.600 of the mind vitiates, vitiates, vitiates impartiality and objectivity. Unless 1820 02:13:11.640 --> 02:13:15.000 the student learns to think in the opposite direction, he 1821 02:13:15.079 --> 02:13:17.920 will be inclined to place the facts into the predominant 1822 02:13:17.960 --> 02:13:19.359 framework of values. 1823 02:13:20.119 --> 02:13:21.800 What would that look like nowadays? 1824 02:13:24.119 --> 02:13:33.720 Mean the academy scholarship, i e. The acquisition and communication 1825 02:13:33.840 --> 02:13:38.960 of knowledge prohibits the purification and isolation of facts from 1826 02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:43.720 the context of the whole truth. An essential part of 1827 02:13:43.760 --> 02:13:47.039 the latter is recognition of the frightening extent to which 1828 02:13:47.159 --> 02:13:51.119 history was made and recorded by and for the victors. 1829 02:13:51.560 --> 02:13:55.239 That is, the extent to which history was the development 1830 02:13:55.800 --> 02:13:56.520 of oppression. 1831 02:13:57.880 --> 02:14:00.720 Yeah, that needs to be changed, but uh, he'd be 1832 02:14:00.840 --> 02:14:03.720 I think you would be extremely happy with how that's 1833 02:14:03.760 --> 02:14:05.359 working out today. Yeah. 1834 02:14:05.680 --> 02:14:15.520 Oh, did you know that Marcuse was? I think he 1835 02:14:15.720 --> 02:14:18.039 was Paul Gottfried's doctoral director. 1836 02:14:20.600 --> 02:14:28.680 I I believe that. Actually, Yeah, I haven't listened to 1837 02:14:28.880 --> 02:14:32.159 Godfried and a long time. He must he must be 1838 02:14:32.239 --> 02:14:33.399 like in his nineties now. 1839 02:14:33.640 --> 02:14:37.039 No, he's like eighty. He's eighty. But oh but he's sharp. 1840 02:14:37.960 --> 02:14:38.560 Yeah. 1841 02:14:38.680 --> 02:14:40.640 He was riding a bike like a year and a 1842 02:14:40.680 --> 02:14:42.600 half ago and just got hit by a car and 1843 02:14:42.640 --> 02:14:46.199 he's fine and he's like recovered and everything. And I 1844 02:14:46.199 --> 02:14:49.680 mean that guy's not That guy's not going anywhere man, 1845 02:14:51.920 --> 02:14:55.840 all right. An essential part of the latter is recognition 1846 02:14:55.920 --> 02:14:58.560 of the frightening extent to which history was made and 1847 02:14:58.600 --> 02:15:01.079 recorded by and for the victor. That is, to the 1848 02:15:01.119 --> 02:15:04.159 extent to which history was a development of oppression. And 1849 02:15:04.199 --> 02:15:07.199 this oppression is in the facts, in the facts themselves 1850 02:15:07.279 --> 02:15:11.960 what it establishes. Thus they themselves carry a negative value 1851 02:15:12.000 --> 02:15:14.760 as part and aspect of their facticity. 1852 02:15:14.880 --> 02:15:21.119 Yeah, hell yeah, facts don't care about your feelings. Oh yeah, 1853 02:15:21.279 --> 02:15:25.439 face the wall, all right. 1854 02:15:25.840 --> 02:15:30.199 To treat the Great Crusades against humanity with the same 1855 02:15:30.239 --> 02:15:35.000 impartiality as the desperate struggles for humanity means neutralizing their 1856 02:15:35.119 --> 02:15:41.760 opposite historical function, reconciling the executioners with their victims, distorting 1857 02:15:41.800 --> 02:15:48.000 the record. Such spurious neutrality serves to reproduce acceptance of 1858 02:15:48.039 --> 02:15:51.439 the dominion of the victors in the consciousness of man. 1859 02:15:52.479 --> 02:15:57.399 So, getting back to last episode, no, actually, an objective 1860 02:15:57.920 --> 02:16:01.199 an objective overview of history is not good. 1861 02:16:01.279 --> 02:16:09.600 Actually yep. Here too, in the education of those who 1862 02:16:09.600 --> 02:16:12.720 are not yet maturely integrated in the mind of the young, 1863 02:16:12.920 --> 02:16:16.399 the ground for liberating tolerance is still to be created. 1864 02:16:17.039 --> 02:16:19.560 That's right, children are our future. 1865 02:16:21.439 --> 02:16:26.279 Education offers Still another example of spurious abstract tolerance in 1866 02:16:26.319 --> 02:16:29.800 the guise of concreteness and truth. It is epitomized in 1867 02:16:29.880 --> 02:16:37.399 the concept of self actualization, from the permissiveness of all 1868 02:16:37.479 --> 02:16:41.200 sorts of license to the child to the constant psychological 1869 02:16:41.239 --> 02:16:44.399 concern with the personal problems of the student. A large 1870 02:16:44.440 --> 02:16:48.399 scale movement is underway against the evils and repression and 1871 02:16:48.440 --> 02:16:50.760 the need for being oneself. 1872 02:16:51.920 --> 02:16:55.159 Frequently self heavily medicated in all times. 1873 02:16:57.520 --> 02:17:00.360 Frequently brushed aside is the question as to what has 1874 02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:04.799 to be repressed before one can be a self oneself. 1875 02:17:07.319 --> 02:17:11.479 The individual potential is first a negative one, a portion 1876 02:17:11.600 --> 02:17:19.120 of the potential of his society of aggression, guilt, feeling, ignorance, resentment, cruelty, 1877 02:17:19.959 --> 02:17:26.000 cruelty which vitiate his life instincts. If the identity of 1878 02:17:26.040 --> 02:17:28.799 the self is to be more than the immediate realization 1879 02:17:29.399 --> 02:17:33.360 of this potential, undesirable for the individual as human being, 1880 02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:38.200 then it requires repression and sublimation, conscious transformation. 1881 02:17:42.760 --> 02:17:46.120 This process involves at each stage SSRIs. 1882 02:17:48.280 --> 02:17:51.280 This process involves at each stage, to use the ridiculed 1883 02:17:51.399 --> 02:17:57.319 terms which here reveal their succinct concreteness, the negation of 1884 02:17:57.360 --> 02:18:02.920 the negation, mediation of the intermediate. An identity is no 1885 02:18:03.120 --> 02:18:06.120 more and no less than this process. 1886 02:18:07.600 --> 02:18:08.760 These people so much. 1887 02:18:14.520 --> 02:18:19.719 Alienation is the constant and essential element of identity, the 1888 02:18:19.760 --> 02:18:23.360 objective side of the subject, and not as. 1889 02:18:26.040 --> 02:18:32.399 We identify ourselves through alien through what we are alienated from. 1890 02:18:32.440 --> 02:18:36.760 For the most part, alienation is the constant and essential 1891 02:18:37.399 --> 02:18:41.440 element of identity, the objective side of the subject, and 1892 02:18:41.479 --> 02:18:44.239 not as it is made to appear today a disease 1893 02:18:44.639 --> 02:18:51.000 of psychological condition. Freud Well knew the difference between progressive 1894 02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:56.399 and regressive, liberating and destructive repression. The publicity of self 1895 02:18:56.440 --> 02:18:59.959 actualization promotes the removal of the one and the other. 1896 02:19:00.440 --> 02:19:05.200 It promotes existence in that immediacy, which in a repressive 1897 02:19:05.239 --> 02:19:11.319 society is, to use another Hegelian term, bad immediacy. I'm 1898 02:19:11.319 --> 02:19:13.479 not gonna do I'm not doing German today. 1899 02:19:14.319 --> 02:19:17.000 Thats mite bark. 1900 02:19:18.959 --> 02:19:22.559 It isolates the individual from the one dimension where he 1901 02:19:22.639 --> 02:19:26.959 could find himself, from his political existence, which is at 1902 02:19:27.000 --> 02:19:29.680 the core of his entire existence. 1903 02:19:30.079 --> 02:19:33.559 This is why I fucking hate Frankfurt School because it 1904 02:19:33.639 --> 02:19:37.159 is basically just Freud and it's all German. So you 1905 02:19:37.200 --> 02:19:39.920 can you can take probably two thirds of the sentences 1906 02:19:39.959 --> 02:19:44.399 that we read so far and just delete them, and 1907 02:19:44.399 --> 02:19:46.559 then the remaining third is what he was actually trying 1908 02:19:46.600 --> 02:19:47.200 to say. 1909 02:19:48.760 --> 02:19:54.479 Freud Yaqui does some destruction of Freud in part one 1910 02:19:54.479 --> 02:19:57.479 of Imperium that is beautiful and is just a map 1911 02:19:58.319 --> 02:20:05.600 and unbelievable takedown. Instead, it encourages nonconformity and letting go 1912 02:20:05.799 --> 02:20:08.879 in ways which leave the real engines of repression in 1913 02:20:08.920 --> 02:20:13.399 the society entirely intact, which even strengthened these engines by 1914 02:20:13.399 --> 02:20:17.600 substituting the satisfactions of private and personal rebellion for a 1915 02:20:17.680 --> 02:20:22.719 more than private and personal and therefore more authentic opposition. 1916 02:20:24.319 --> 02:20:31.360 Oh God, the desublimation involved in this sort of self 1917 02:20:31.399 --> 02:20:36.280 actualization is itself repressive inasmuch as it weakens the necessity 1918 02:20:36.600 --> 02:20:39.680 and the power of the intellect, the catalytic force of 1919 02:20:39.719 --> 02:20:43.760 that unhappy consciousness, which does not revel in the archetype, 1920 02:20:44.239 --> 02:20:49.600 in the archetypal personal release of frustration, hopeless resurgence of 1921 02:20:49.639 --> 02:20:52.600 the id, which will sooner or later succumb to the 1922 02:20:52.639 --> 02:20:57.559 omnipresent rationality of the administered world, but which recognizes the 1923 02:20:57.600 --> 02:21:00.440 horror of the whole in the most private frustrated and 1924 02:21:00.559 --> 02:21:05.680 actualizes itself in this recognition. Oh fuck yourself so much, man. 1925 02:21:05.920 --> 02:21:08.840 It's you just fucking freuded up. 1926 02:21:10.760 --> 02:21:22.520 God, I can't do it so bad. Oh oh. The 1927 02:21:22.559 --> 02:21:26.719 TV show Mash used to push Freud. They would bring 1928 02:21:26.760 --> 02:21:30.799 on this. It would bring on this psychologist every once 1929 02:21:30.840 --> 02:21:34.479 in a while, Sydney, you know, try member, Oh yeah, 1930 02:21:34.120 --> 02:21:37.440 and he would he was like writing letters to Freud. 1931 02:21:37.479 --> 02:21:40.399 He was constantly like, you know, talking, quoting Freud. And 1932 02:21:40.399 --> 02:21:43.280 it's just like, oh God, that show was so bad. 1933 02:21:43.319 --> 02:21:45.440 It was. It was great in the first couple of seasons. 1934 02:21:45.520 --> 02:21:47.920 What was just a comedy, but then Alan all that 1935 02:21:48.000 --> 02:21:53.239 took over, and it was like, oh no, no. I've 1936 02:21:53.280 --> 02:21:57.040 tried to show how the changes in advanced democratic societies 1937 02:21:57.159 --> 02:22:00.719 which have undermined the basis of economic and political liberalism, 1938 02:22:01.040 --> 02:22:06.479 have also altered the liberal function of tolerance. The tolerance, 1939 02:22:06.520 --> 02:22:09.479 which was the great achievement of the liberal era, is 1940 02:22:09.520 --> 02:22:15.280 still professed with, professed, and with strong qualifications practiced, while 1941 02:22:15.319 --> 02:22:19.920 the economic and political process is subjected to an ubiquitous 1942 02:22:20.159 --> 02:22:24.159 and effective administration in accordance with the predominant interests. 1943 02:22:24.440 --> 02:22:27.920 All right, he's he's back to being somewhat understandable. 1944 02:22:30.319 --> 02:22:33.680 The results is an objective contradiction between the economic and 1945 02:22:33.719 --> 02:22:36.719 political structure on the one side, and the theory and 1946 02:22:36.840 --> 02:22:38.840 practice of toleration on the other. 1947 02:22:40.159 --> 02:22:41.040 I can get down with that. 1948 02:22:42.079 --> 02:22:46.479 The altered social structure tends to weaken the effectiveness of 1949 02:22:46.559 --> 02:22:51.879 tolerance towards dissenting and oppositional movements and to strengthen conservative 1950 02:22:51.920 --> 02:22:53.440 and reactionary forces. 1951 02:22:55.159 --> 02:22:57.000 Knowing what we know now, not so much. 1952 02:22:58.760 --> 02:23:04.079 Equality of tolerance becomes abstract spurious with the actual decline 1953 02:23:04.079 --> 02:23:08.719 of dissenting forces in the society. The opposition is insulated 1954 02:23:08.879 --> 02:23:13.399 in small and frequently antagonistic groups who even were tolerated 1955 02:23:13.440 --> 02:23:16.239 within the narrow limits set by the hierarchical structure of 1956 02:23:16.280 --> 02:23:19.639 society are powerless while they keep within their limits, I 1957 02:23:19.639 --> 02:23:20.920 mean one hundred percent. 1958 02:23:21.440 --> 02:23:22.559 He's describing the right. 1959 02:23:22.920 --> 02:23:27.840 Well, yeah, yeah, but the tolerance shown to them is 1960 02:23:27.920 --> 02:23:34.040 deceptive and promotes coordination and on the firm foundations of 1961 02:23:34.079 --> 02:23:39.000 a coordinated society all but closed against qualitative change. Tolerance 1962 02:23:39.040 --> 02:23:44.120 itself serves to contain such change rather than to promote it. Yeah, 1963 02:23:44.200 --> 02:23:50.479 I mean, this is just more chomps what Chompsky eventually 1964 02:23:50.879 --> 02:23:53.159 really starts talking about. 1965 02:23:52.760 --> 02:23:56.639 I forget who the organizer was, but the guy that 1966 02:23:56.760 --> 02:24:01.559 started Lollapalooza back in nineteen ninety one and originally intended 1967 02:24:01.600 --> 02:24:02.559 it to be like this. 1968 02:24:02.920 --> 02:24:04.879 Was it Perry Ferrell? Was it for Perry fell from 1969 02:24:05.159 --> 02:24:06.719 Jamee's addiction or was it someone else? 1970 02:24:07.840 --> 02:24:11.760 I think it was somebody else. I'm pretty sure it 1971 02:24:11.799 --> 02:24:12.520 was a Jewish guy. 1972 02:24:12.639 --> 02:24:14.959 But uh, it was a Jewish guy. 1973 02:24:15.040 --> 02:24:17.680 All right, Maybe maybe it was him. I don't remember 1974 02:24:17.680 --> 02:24:21.799 his name, but within like it started in nineteen ninety one, 1975 02:24:21.879 --> 02:24:25.520 by nineteen ninety two, there were t shirt kios selling 1976 02:24:25.719 --> 02:24:29.760 selling t shirts for like twenty three dollars, which at 1977 02:24:29.760 --> 02:24:33.200 the time was ridiculous, and the bands weren't allowed to undercut. 1978 02:24:33.639 --> 02:24:36.600 There were you know, you weren't allowed to bring blankets 1979 02:24:36.600 --> 02:24:39.200 in because they wanted to charge you for their own plank. 1980 02:24:39.760 --> 02:24:43.600 It within a year, so you still had this this 1981 02:24:43.760 --> 02:24:49.000 idea of you know, this rebellious, this rebellious festival full 1982 02:24:49.040 --> 02:24:53.120 of you know, anti corporate you know, all these anti 1983 02:24:53.159 --> 02:24:58.200 corporate actors, and but it existed within the framework of 1984 02:24:58.280 --> 02:24:59.319 everything that they hated. 1985 02:25:00.319 --> 02:25:06.719 I was at one, two and three. Yeah. Yeah, the 1986 02:25:06.760 --> 02:25:10.200 first year was great. The first year was fantastic. Yeah. 1987 02:25:10.239 --> 02:25:12.479 After that it was just like, yeah, I mean. 1988 02:25:14.399 --> 02:25:17.000 It still looked great, Like looking at the videos from 1989 02:25:17.000 --> 02:25:18.559 back in the day, it still looked amazing. 1990 02:25:18.639 --> 02:25:21.040 But well the bands were great and everything. But you know, 1991 02:25:21.040 --> 02:25:24.680 it's just like, yeah, but it did. It was like 1992 02:25:25.600 --> 02:25:28.000 it was sort of like it sort of wanted it 1993 02:25:28.200 --> 02:25:29.159 to be like the Agora. 1994 02:25:30.000 --> 02:25:30.479 Yeah. 1995 02:25:30.600 --> 02:25:33.280 Yeah, but I mean it just yeah, yeah, I mean 1996 02:25:33.840 --> 02:25:35.719 ten dollars waters and stuff like that. 1997 02:25:35.840 --> 02:25:37.879 Eventually within a year. 1998 02:25:40.399 --> 02:25:42.959 But the tolerance shown to them as acceptive and promotes 1999 02:25:43.000 --> 02:25:46.000 coordination and on the firm foundation of a coordinator society 2000 02:25:46.360 --> 02:25:50.280 all but closed against qualitative change. Tolerance itself serves to 2001 02:25:50.319 --> 02:25:53.040 contain such change, rather than to promote it. 2002 02:25:53.200 --> 02:25:56.479 These yeah, think of lollapalooza. 2003 02:25:55.840 --> 02:25:59.360 Ye, these things. Yeah, and I just looked it up 2004 02:25:59.399 --> 02:25:59.760 real quick. 2005 02:26:00.079 --> 02:26:00.399 They do. 2006 02:26:01.079 --> 02:26:06.319 At least Wikipedia calls Perry Ferrell the founder. These same 2007 02:26:06.399 --> 02:26:10.639 conditions render the critique of such tolerance abstract and academic, 2008 02:26:10.959 --> 02:26:15.520 and the proposition that the balance between tolerance, the tolerance 2009 02:26:15.559 --> 02:26:18.760 towards the right and toward the left, would have to 2010 02:26:18.760 --> 02:26:22.280 be radically redressed in order to restore the liberating function 2011 02:26:22.360 --> 02:26:29.559 of tolerance becomes only an unrealistic speculation. Indeed, such a 2012 02:26:29.639 --> 02:26:33.040 redressing seems to be tantamounts to the establishment of a 2013 02:26:33.200 --> 02:26:35.920 right of resistance to the point of subversion. 2014 02:26:37.360 --> 02:26:37.600 Yeah. 2015 02:26:38.280 --> 02:26:46.319 Yeah, so you have to basically allow one of those 2016 02:26:46.399 --> 02:26:52.479 groups to side with the state and then you can 2017 02:26:52.520 --> 02:26:53.319 control them. 2018 02:26:54.120 --> 02:26:58.479 Well, I mean, if you ask any liberal what their ideal, 2019 02:26:59.440 --> 02:27:03.399 I mean, where their definition of tolerances it would they 2020 02:27:03.719 --> 02:27:08.680 would probably say that it includes you know, movements, subversive movements, 2021 02:27:08.799 --> 02:27:13.719 which is, you know, in and of itself leftist and 2022 02:27:13.920 --> 02:27:19.879 anti rightist. No, it is you know. They would also 2023 02:27:19.920 --> 02:27:25.399 say that they would tolerate, you know, activism towards a 2024 02:27:25.479 --> 02:27:28.639 return to tradition and a return to uh, you know, 2025 02:27:28.760 --> 02:27:31.000 homogeneity and all that, but only up to a point 2026 02:27:31.040 --> 02:27:31.520 where you used to. 2027 02:27:31.520 --> 02:27:37.520 Hitler Well, well, I mean you you're ad an iron kingdom. 2028 02:27:38.520 --> 02:27:43.440 More so in the twenties, the existing government and Hindenburg 2029 02:27:43.520 --> 02:27:47.120 and everything was I mean, they were tolerance of the left, 2030 02:27:47.159 --> 02:27:50.000 but they were more aligned with the right. 2031 02:27:50.680 --> 02:27:50.920 Yep. 2032 02:27:51.239 --> 02:27:55.040 So the the real revolution you would call the real 2033 02:27:55.120 --> 02:27:57.680 revolutionaries would be coming. 2034 02:27:57.440 --> 02:28:00.520 From the left, and that would be the k KPD. Yep. 2035 02:28:04.440 --> 02:28:07.840 There is not there cannot be any such right for 2036 02:28:07.920 --> 02:28:11.440 any group or individual against the constitutional government sustained by 2037 02:28:11.440 --> 02:28:16.040 a majority of the population. But I believe that there 2038 02:28:16.120 --> 02:28:19.799 is a natural right of resistance for oppressed and overpowered 2039 02:28:19.879 --> 02:28:23.760 minorities to use extra legal means if the legal ones 2040 02:28:23.799 --> 02:28:25.239 have proved to be inadequate. 2041 02:28:26.360 --> 02:28:29.280 All right, you heard him, did he? 2042 02:28:29.680 --> 02:28:33.840 I mean, but I wonder what he would when he's 2043 02:28:33.920 --> 02:28:37.920 looking at this, if he were to see, now, what 2044 02:28:37.959 --> 02:28:42.520 would his opinion be of what is happening and the 2045 02:28:42.600 --> 02:28:47.040 fact that it's actually promoted from on high. 2046 02:28:47.559 --> 02:28:53.440 Yeah, I mean you could probably there's probably more than 2047 02:28:53.479 --> 02:28:56.760 a handful of people that are directly influenced by Marcuse 2048 02:28:56.959 --> 02:29:01.399 on the left that you could kind of see that 2049 02:29:01.440 --> 02:29:04.680 they're in lockstep with whatever they're told to be. 2050 02:29:05.239 --> 02:29:05.479 Yep. 2051 02:29:08.040 --> 02:29:15.559 Whether that's whether they're doing it grudgingly or whether they're skeptical, 2052 02:29:16.040 --> 02:29:16.520 I don't know. 2053 02:29:20.079 --> 02:29:22.520 Law and order are always in everywhere, the law and 2054 02:29:22.680 --> 02:29:26.959 order which protect the established hierarchy. It is nonsensical to 2055 02:29:27.040 --> 02:29:30.280 invoke the absolute authority of this law and this order 2056 02:29:30.319 --> 02:29:33.360 against those who suffer from it and struggle against it, 2057 02:29:33.879 --> 02:29:37.440 not for personal advantages and revenge, but for their share 2058 02:29:37.479 --> 02:29:43.559 of humanity. There is no other judge over them than 2059 02:29:43.600 --> 02:29:49.040 the constituted authorities, the police, and their own conscience. If 2060 02:29:49.079 --> 02:29:51.920 they use violence, they do not start a new chain 2061 02:29:51.959 --> 02:29:55.040 of violence, but try to break an established one. 2062 02:29:56.159 --> 02:29:56.920 Yeah, that's right. 2063 02:29:59.159 --> 02:30:08.440 Hold on, someone send me a Ryan Dawson Bell. Well, 2064 02:30:08.520 --> 02:30:12.120 let me read that again, because that's that's a good one. 2065 02:30:12.799 --> 02:30:15.440 If they use violence, they do not start a new 2066 02:30:15.559 --> 02:30:18.840 chain of violence, but try to break an established one. 2067 02:30:21.319 --> 02:30:24.360 Does that mean violence is permissible in all instances? 2068 02:30:26.399 --> 02:30:34.000 Well, only from one group, I'm sorry, since they will 2069 02:30:34.040 --> 02:30:36.879 be punished, they know the risk and when they are 2070 02:30:36.879 --> 02:30:40.520 willing to take it. No third person, and least of 2071 02:30:40.600 --> 02:30:44.639 all the educator and intellectual, has a right to to 2072 02:30:44.760 --> 02:30:46.000 preach them abstention. 2073 02:30:49.559 --> 02:30:53.879 Hey, I mean to their credit, like actual Marxists, actual 2074 02:30:53.920 --> 02:30:59.040 communists have no problem calling calling the pacifist a liberal. 2075 02:30:59.639 --> 02:31:04.879 Yeah yeah, oh yeah, I mean yeah, what was that 2076 02:31:04.879 --> 02:31:07.760 that one piece of graffiti that was making it around 2077 02:31:09.280 --> 02:31:12.479 Liberals get the rope too? Yeah yeah, I had with 2078 02:31:12.600 --> 02:31:17.120 a hammer and sickle on it. Yeah. Yeah. 2079 02:31:17.239 --> 02:31:18.760 If only there were more of them like that. 2080 02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:23.799 You know, it's a lot of people from our side 2081 02:31:23.920 --> 02:31:29.360 came to understand just how useless and actually dangerous liberalism 2082 02:31:29.440 --> 02:31:34.760 and classical liberalism is from like from neo reactionary, from 2083 02:31:34.760 --> 02:31:37.200 like Italian elitists and everything. And I think we both 2084 02:31:37.239 --> 02:31:43.239 came to it from like reading Lenin. Yeah we can't. 2085 02:31:44.360 --> 02:31:48.040 We finished reading Lenin and we're like, oh, oh, those 2086 02:31:48.079 --> 02:31:52.639 guys kind of go those guys are useless. Those guys 2087 02:31:53.360 --> 02:31:55.600 they're not only useless, they're kind of productive. 2088 02:31:55.639 --> 02:32:01.319 Holy shit. Yeah, oh atross around our neck. 2089 02:32:02.399 --> 02:32:04.559 So what do you what do you think of this one? 2090 02:32:05.319 --> 02:32:09.920 That was good? I I I love getting into uh, 2091 02:32:10.360 --> 02:32:16.079 getting into dialectical materialism. I hate Freud, and I love 2092 02:32:16.159 --> 02:32:18.840 that he finally, he finally said it. We need to 2093 02:32:18.840 --> 02:32:22.319 tolerate violence from the left, and we need to not 2094 02:32:22.440 --> 02:32:23.879 tolerate violence from the right. 2095 02:32:24.559 --> 02:32:28.920 Yeah, I mean I would rather they just speak the truth. 2096 02:32:29.440 --> 02:32:32.280 I mean, that's the Yeah, it's a great thing about 2097 02:32:32.479 --> 02:32:35.879 people in the Frankfurt school and you know Marxist Leninis. 2098 02:32:36.319 --> 02:32:39.719 They they're going to tell you exactly, You're not going 2099 02:32:39.760 --> 02:32:41.040 to question what they believe. 2100 02:32:42.000 --> 02:32:43.120 Yeah, yep. 2101 02:32:43.639 --> 02:32:47.840 Where you know people who may have more right wing 2102 02:32:47.959 --> 02:32:53.239 tendencies than say like Glenn Beck, I have to hide 2103 02:32:53.239 --> 02:32:56.079 them because yeah they uh. 2104 02:32:55.959 --> 02:33:04.719 Yeah, yeah, because they get their their material material condition 2105 02:33:04.840 --> 02:33:07.920 is contingent on pleasing their liberal overlords. 2106 02:33:08.079 --> 02:33:13.280 Yeah, classical liberal overlords and neo liberal overlords. 2107 02:33:14.120 --> 02:33:16.239 Yep, don't get canceled. 2108 02:33:18.200 --> 02:33:22.040 And it's you know, it's I understand why Owen Benjamin 2109 02:33:22.079 --> 02:33:24.520 went out there and he has eighty chickens and ten 2110 02:33:24.600 --> 02:33:26.840 goats and all these cows and everything like that. 2111 02:33:26.959 --> 02:33:27.280 He is. 2112 02:33:28.799 --> 02:33:33.159 Everything. If it all got taken away from him, even 2113 02:33:33.159 --> 02:33:39.719 if he couldn't spend paper, still live, still survive. Yeah. 2114 02:33:40.840 --> 02:33:45.360 Yeah. I Actually, my my cousin who's in my in 2115 02:33:45.440 --> 02:33:48.959 my wedding party, he texted me today is like, hey, man, 2116 02:33:49.079 --> 02:33:52.719 like should I start thinking about, like you know, forming 2117 02:33:52.799 --> 02:33:55.840 alliances and like getting to know my neighbors and stalking 2118 02:33:55.920 --> 02:33:59.239 up on Ammo? Because thanks right now really fucked. And 2119 02:33:59.479 --> 02:34:01.479 I don't know how high or drunk he was at 2120 02:34:01.520 --> 02:34:05.479 the time, but I was like, man, we'll be fine, Like, 2121 02:34:05.600 --> 02:34:08.719 we will be fine. 2122 02:34:09.040 --> 02:34:11.840 You didn't want to you don't want to break it 2123 02:34:11.879 --> 02:34:12.200 to them. 2124 02:34:12.600 --> 02:34:15.639 Well, that's that's the uh, that's the difference between online 2125 02:34:15.680 --> 02:34:18.840 me and real life met. I know that at least 2126 02:34:18.920 --> 02:34:21.959 where I'm at, I have a good support network I have. 2127 02:34:22.600 --> 02:34:27.040 I'm pretty secure in my Uh. It's like ship would 2128 02:34:27.040 --> 02:34:29.440 really have to go down for me to be in 2129 02:34:29.479 --> 02:34:33.479 any any real danger of starvation or going to jail 2130 02:34:33.559 --> 02:34:37.639 or anything like that, which it may very well, but 2131 02:34:37.920 --> 02:34:40.840 at the end of the day, I'll be fine. H 2132 02:34:41.360 --> 02:34:44.200 I think. I think if you're watching this show, you 2133 02:34:44.239 --> 02:34:47.000 already kind of have that in your in your mind. 2134 02:34:48.280 --> 02:34:51.280 You know, the the the trip wires that need to 2135 02:34:51.280 --> 02:34:54.600 happen before you start really freaking out. And I don't 2136 02:34:54.600 --> 02:34:55.520 think we're there yet. 2137 02:34:56.000 --> 02:34:59.559 No, No, we're not there yet, but I know what 2138 02:34:59.600 --> 02:35:00.200 it looks like. 2139 02:35:00.879 --> 02:35:02.079 Yeah, exactly, Yep. 2140 02:35:02.440 --> 02:35:05.719 To study, if anybody wants to go study, don't ask 2141 02:35:05.719 --> 02:35:11.239 me for book recommendations. Steady Yugoslavia sided places like that, Yep. 2142 02:35:11.760 --> 02:35:14.959 I mean we can draw a lot on history and 2143 02:35:15.079 --> 02:35:19.000 we can kind of you know, parse things out a 2144 02:35:19.159 --> 02:35:22.959 priority with everything that's going on right now, you know, 2145 02:35:23.719 --> 02:35:29.760 foreign policy wise, domestically. But I think by and large, 2146 02:35:29.840 --> 02:35:35.520 if you're not in a highly populated urban area that 2147 02:35:35.760 --> 02:35:40.479 with you know, less than favorable demographics, you'll probably be fine. 2148 02:35:41.120 --> 02:35:44.360 Yep, yep, working on Uh even where I am right 2149 02:35:44.360 --> 02:35:46.079 now is a little too much for me. Working on 2150 02:35:46.120 --> 02:35:52.959 getting out Yep. We're going to get a little more. Yeah, 2151 02:35:52.840 --> 02:35:57.680 h the potential place. You're gonna have to know exactly 2152 02:35:57.680 --> 02:36:02.840 where that is to even find it. 2153 02:36:02.840 --> 02:36:03.680 It looks amazing. 2154 02:36:04.000 --> 02:36:08.440 Yeah yeah, oh man, But all right, why don't you 2155 02:36:09.120 --> 02:36:11.479 talk about t L E or whatever you want to 2156 02:36:11.520 --> 02:36:12.000 talk about. 2157 02:36:12.920 --> 02:36:15.120 I don't want to talk about t Luck. Those guys. 2158 02:36:16.799 --> 02:36:21.360 Those guys are there's something wrong with them sometimes. Yeah, 2159 02:36:21.440 --> 02:36:24.680 this is one episode they got Donald Trump on there 2160 02:36:24.760 --> 02:36:28.000 and like Tucker Harles, the weirdest thing I've ever heard. 2161 02:36:29.159 --> 02:36:32.200 I'll give your audience a stick peek where we're going 2162 02:36:32.200 --> 02:36:33.360 to get to the manisphere. 2163 02:36:36.120 --> 02:36:38.239 Oh my god, we're. 2164 02:36:38.120 --> 02:36:43.120 Gonna be talking about the linear man doing everything in 2165 02:36:43.159 --> 02:36:45.959 a straight line. 2166 02:36:47.239 --> 02:36:48.639 At least it'll be straight. 2167 02:36:50.840 --> 02:36:53.639 All right, man, Thank you very much, thanks for having me. 2168 02:36:53.680 --> 02:36:54.079 Thank Gar