Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey,
Speaker 1: how are you? Come on, let's have a talk. This
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite programs that I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about and waiting to unveil to you. This is another
Speaker 1: series in the Biohacking Basics program, and today we're talking
Speaker 1: about fasting and fasting. Fasting has been known about for
Speaker 1: centuries and you can go back to the Greeks and
Speaker 1: even the Egyptians write about the benefits of fasting. That's
Speaker 1: abstaining from eating. And what is important about this is
Speaker 1: that when we don't eat, we're not starving ourselves. We're
Speaker 1: caught stopping from consuming food. We're basically allowing the body
Speaker 1: to quiet itself, the digestive system to stop digesting foods,
Speaker 1: and in doing so, there's a number of processes to
Speaker 1: go to work that we will be discussing today now.
Speaker 1: Intermitute fasting has been all the rage for well almost
Speaker 1: ten years now, and this is where you take a
Speaker 1: day and you don't eat. You don't eat from say
Speaker 1: six o'clock the night before until perhaps nine am the
Speaker 1: next day, fifteen sixteen hours of non eating. That's very beneficial.
Speaker 1: But what we're going to talk about today is much
Speaker 1: more lengthied fast of two to five in some cases
Speaker 1: two weeks of just drinking fluids. In the case we're
Speaker 1: discussing today, just water fast. I do a quarterly fast
Speaker 1: every change of season winter, fall, summer, autumn. I try
Speaker 1: to do between three and five days, depending on what
Speaker 1: kind of work my work week is, because when you're
Speaker 1: working and you have a lot of mental stress, it
Speaker 1: can really knock you down because your body is basically
Speaker 1: shutting off and releasing a bunch of toxins. So but
Speaker 1: when you're doing a longer fast, you're allowing your digestive
Speaker 1: system and your body as a whole to sweep out
Speaker 1: various disease processes, various inflammation processes, and inflammation is a
Speaker 1: real problem for most of us right now because when
Speaker 1: you're internal organs and your brain has inflammation, it can
Speaker 1: cause havoc on your body. In fact, they have discovered
Speaker 1: people who have dementia have chronic inflammation of the brain,
Speaker 1: and this also goes for various organs. If your organs
Speaker 1: are dealing with inflammation, this is a real issue. So
Speaker 1: short flat fast are fine, they're great for maintenance. But
Speaker 1: again I try to do four lengthy fast during times
Speaker 1: of the year, usually the changing of the seasons, the
Speaker 1: solstice or the equinoxes, where it's a seasonal change, and
Speaker 1: it's surprising when you do them during that time of year,
Speaker 1: they actually feel a little bit better. But I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: when you've been abusing yourself, eating a lot of sugars,
Speaker 1: a lot of carbohydrates, a lot of gluten, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a challenge for the body to sweep it out.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you when you do a lengthy fast
Speaker 1: of a few days or more, I think the max
Speaker 1: I've gotten now is five days without eating. It is
Speaker 1: wonderful the results, and you're stopping the various disease processes.
Speaker 1: You are in some ways you're writing the ship, You're
Speaker 1: helping your digestion, you're helping your elimination. And I've been
Speaker 1: doing fast for probably, I want to say, thirty plus years,
Speaker 1: and I try to do like I said, I try
Speaker 1: to do one every seasonal change. And I'm starting to
Speaker 1: get back to intermitute fasting now. My guest today is
Speaker 1: an expert and he runs a clinic here in northern California,
Speaker 1: and the the book we're going to talk about today
Speaker 1: is called can Fasting Save Your Life? And he's going
Speaker 1: to actually talk about the twenty four thousand people who
Speaker 1: have come through his clinic and the various issues that
Speaker 1: people have been dealing with, everything from chronic pain, arthritis,
Speaker 1: to ms and in some cases he is gonna say this,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty shocking people that have various forms of cancer.
Speaker 1: And when you can apply a self healing technique that
Speaker 1: begins to tear down the disease process known as cancer,
Speaker 1: you're talking about miracle healing. And we don't hear enough
Speaker 1: about long term fasting because it's not comfortable. It's uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And the beauty of this clinic we're talking about today
Speaker 1: is that it's a supervised fast and he'll also present
Speaker 1: a series of suggestions for those who don't live in
Speaker 1: California as to where you can go and have these
Speaker 1: I again, have been following fasting for many, many years,
Speaker 1: and when I was younger, fasting was a rage of
Speaker 1: kind of like the Hippie movement, the New Age movement,
Speaker 1: and there were sanitariums in various parts of California. If
Speaker 1: you go back to the turn of the Central Tree,
Speaker 1: there were actual healing sanitariums that suggested obstination of food,
Speaker 1: not eating, just drinking fluids. Now when I fast, I
Speaker 1: have coffee, tea and water for five days or more.
Speaker 1: And then also breaking the fast, it's called refeeding is
Speaker 1: critically important. You don't want to eat any cooked food,
Speaker 1: you don't want to have meats, you want to have
Speaker 1: raw foods if you can, no breads, no gluten. You
Speaker 1: want to slowly re enter the feeding phase without stressing
Speaker 1: out the body. So the refeeding post fasting is just
Speaker 1: as important as the actual fast itself. So I think
Speaker 1: you're going to be amazed at our guests today. And
Speaker 1: this biohacking basic program is really really important because it's
Speaker 1: again not discussed a great deal. It's very very simple
Speaker 1: to do because you're just substaining from food and the
Speaker 1: benefits are just amazing. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: we don't hear enough about is how fasting can remove
Speaker 1: what they call these sinescent cells, otherwise known as zombie cells.
Speaker 1: And if you have an accumulation of these zombie cells,
Speaker 1: this is what the beginning of illnesses and your body
Speaker 1: can't get rid of them, so they just store these
Speaker 1: zombie cells and you want to use fasting and other
Speaker 1: nutritional programs to get rid of sinescent cells, because that
Speaker 1: is the beginning again, it's the beginning of disease. So
Speaker 1: today's biohacking Basics program is the miracle of fasting. And
Speaker 1: my guest is doctor Alan Goldhammer. We're featuring an incredible
Speaker 1: opportunity to visit one of the real enigmas of the
Speaker 1: ancient world, and that is Easter Island in the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 1: This is a new tour that we're doing. It looks
Speaker 1: like this will probably be the only chance we get
Speaker 1: to go. But we're lucky because doctor Edwin Barnhardt, our
Speaker 1: host and our tour leader, has been surveying this island
Speaker 1: for a number of years and has some really amazing
Speaker 1: insights on just how detailed and how complicated and how
Speaker 1: mysterious this island is going to be. March fifteenth through
Speaker 1: twenty third, I wanted to ask just a brief question
Speaker 1: or two because I obviously have never been there. I'm
Speaker 1: really excited to be a part of this. It's a highlight.
Speaker 1: Talk about the moai. There's a number of them, aren't there.
Speaker 2: There are so many moai there. It's out you see
Speaker 2: from coffee table books that there's lines of them, but
Speaker 2: in point of fact, there's over one thousand moi and
Speaker 2: they're spread all over the island. They're where ancient villages
Speaker 2: used to be. So we're going to go visit a
Speaker 2: bunch of those. There's also the quarry. There's one quarry
Speaker 2: where almost all of them were made, and a lot
Speaker 2: of them are still half made lying in the quarry.
Speaker 2: That thing is just a sight to see how.
Speaker 1: Grew up briefly, and I didn't realize they have an
Speaker 1: observatory there. Is it a planetarium or is it more
Speaker 1: of a setup for evening sites.
Speaker 2: It's a planetarium. It's a passion project by a man
Speaker 2: named EDMUNDO Edwards who's been studying the archaeo astronomy of
Speaker 2: the island for his entire life, I think almost fifty
Speaker 2: years now. He knows more than anyone and he put
Speaker 2: together this planetarium to share this lifetime of knowledge with
Speaker 2: the visitors that come to the place.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. So March fifteenth to the twenty third, that is
Speaker 1: a week, and it sounds like we've really packed a
Speaker 1: lot in during those seven days, right.
Speaker 2: I tell you, For an island that's only twelve miles across.
Speaker 2: There is an endless amount of things to see there.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. Fantastic, all right.
Speaker 1: For more information, go to Earth Ancients dot com forward
Speaker 1: slash tours, look for the photo of Ed standing next
Speaker 1: to one of the big Mai sculptures and registered as
Speaker 1: soon as you can. Again go to Earthnchients dot com
Speaker 1: forward slash tours. Thanks Ed, Thank you, Cliff. As we
Speaker 1: continue our series biohic Hacking Basics, we're talking on fasting
Speaker 1: this week, a subject that I've been very interested in
Speaker 1: for probably thirty or more years, simply because I realized
Speaker 1: at a younger age that when you stop eating, the
Speaker 1: body goes to work and becomes a what they consider
Speaker 1: kind of a broom, sweeping away problems and helping the
Speaker 1: body heal. And my guest today is doctor Alan Goldhammer.
Speaker 1: He has just released a new book called Can Fasting
Speaker 1: Save Your Life? What a great title, and he is
Speaker 1: the director of the True North Health Clinicians in Santa
Speaker 1: Rosas just north of me, and would you believe he's
Speaker 1: been doing this for four four decades, so it's amazing.
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about this new book and
Speaker 1: the benefits and the power of fasting. So Alan, welcome
Speaker 1: to Destiny. Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me talk a little bit about
Speaker 3: your own journey, your own perhaps you know understanding of
Speaker 3: the benefits of fasting and how you developed this clinic.
Speaker 4: I started very young. I was a teenager, and you know,
Speaker 4: kind of being on the spectrum, got interested in something
Speaker 4: and never lost focus. It happened to be fasting and diet.
Speaker 4: I read a book by Shelton who said that health
Speaker 4: had causes, just like disease had causes. So if you
Speaker 4: wanted to be healthy, you had to do the things
Speaker 4: that cause health, and that was diet, sleep, exercise, and fasting,
Speaker 4: and so that kind of got me interested. I was
Speaker 4: motivated also by my uncle, who was a medical doctor,
Speaker 4: and he said that there was nothing worse than doctors
Speaker 4: that did alternative medicine. And when I mentioned I was
Speaker 4: interested in going into alternate medicine, he said I would
Speaker 4: not go into alternate medicine, that nobody in our family
Speaker 4: would go to a doctor like that, let alone become
Speaker 4: a doctor like that, and that better I should be
Speaker 4: a communist spy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: He was really upset. I remember screaming at me, and
Speaker 4: my dad took me aside after he left me said, son,
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about this alternative business, but anything
Speaker 4: that makes him that angry and mad, it can't be bad.
Speaker 4: So you stick to your guns in good luck.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
Speaker 4: And you know, I had later became one of my
Speaker 4: first patients when I got out of school. He was
Speaker 4: having transing Nashimi attacks that had gotten into serious trouble.
Speaker 4: Ended up fasting for twenty six days, made a remarkable
Speaker 4: recovery twenty years later, helped us our edit our first book,
Speaker 4: which was The Pleasure Trap, and then you know, ended
Speaker 4: up doing very well.
Speaker 1: So so as a young person, you're into it. So
Speaker 1: are you saying, as a teenager you are actually doing
Speaker 1: a couple of day fast.
Speaker 4: Well, I not only did some occasional fasting, but more importantly,
Speaker 4: I adopted a whole plant food SOS free diet, so
Speaker 4: you know, I began eating healthily and really could experience
Speaker 4: the changes that that happened. And I did some periodic
Speaker 4: fasting as well. I'd have to see the diet, the sleep,
Speaker 4: the exercise seemed to be the most critical components in
Speaker 4: long term. Hell. Fasting is a great tool, as we'll
Speaker 4: talk about today, but without the diet's, sleep and exercise,
Speaker 4: fasting alone is not going to get you where you
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 1: Go, right. It's a wellness therapy that you need to follow.
Speaker 1: So talk a little bit about your experience as a
Speaker 1: young faster and how that carried it so forward into
Speaker 1: your perhaps your early years, and then your education and
Speaker 1: eventually becoming this expert of this clinic.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I went to Chiropractic College at Western States
Speaker 4: in Oregon, and then I got an opportunity to attend
Speaker 4: to Osteopathic College in Australia with a guy named Alec
Speaker 4: Burton who was the world's leading authority in the use
Speaker 4: of fasting and human beings. So when I came back
Speaker 4: from Australia in nineteen eighty four, my wife, doctor Jennifer Morano,
Speaker 4: and I open the True North Health Center and we've
Speaker 4: been operating it continuously for forty years. We've had twenty
Speaker 4: five thousand patients come through and do medically supervised water
Speaker 4: only fasten and as you said, we just came out
Speaker 4: with a book. Recently, we've published twenty two papers in
Speaker 4: the scientific literature case supports and studies, and this book
Speaker 4: is largely built on our own original research that deals
Speaker 4: with fasting in a way to give patients the understanding
Speaker 4: of how fasting works and what they need to know,
Speaker 4: but also to give people's doctors an understanding that fast
Speaker 4: is not actually crazy and all the things necessary to
Speaker 4: help a person get through fasting safely and effectively. So
Speaker 4: I think it's an important book. It's certainly the first
Speaker 4: book that's like that, and hopefully it'll turn out to
Speaker 4: be very useful to people that are serious about understanding
Speaker 4: how fasting worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good primer for those who are interested
Speaker 1: in learning about fasting in the different types of fasting
Speaker 1: that are available. Let's talk briefly historically what we know
Speaker 1: about fasting. You write in the in your book that
Speaker 1: the Chinese were fasting as far back as twenty five
Speaker 1: hundred years ago. Who else of our ancestors were documenting
Speaker 1: the results of their fasting? I think you know.
Speaker 4: Fasting itself, when you think about it, is what's called
Speaker 4: a biological adaptation. Every single human being that couldn't fast died,
Speaker 4: and what's fasting is essentially the conversion of our largest
Speaker 4: burner of glucose, which is the brain from burning sugar
Speaker 4: to burning fat. That's essentially what fasting comes down to,
Speaker 4: the brain changes fuels. If your brain kept burning glucose,
Speaker 4: you could only go a week or so before you'd
Speaker 4: enter starvation. Human being, because of fasting, can go seventy
Speaker 4: days or more before entering starvation. That's why you'll never
Speaker 4: see chimps wandering away from the tropics, because they don't
Speaker 4: have the same conversion process, and so they need a
Speaker 4: constant source of redla available food. Human beings wandered away
Speaker 4: from the tropics, and everybody that couldn't convert their bulboustereronal
Speaker 4: and that that huge brain that we carry around to
Speaker 4: bringing a different fuel dyed. That's what a biological adaptation means.
Speaker 4: That was so critical. All the ones that didn't have
Speaker 4: it didn't make it, and we're left with a population
Speaker 4: around the world right now of almost what eight billion people,
Speaker 4: all of which if you take food away, they go
Speaker 4: into ketosis and begin this fasting process. So all we've
Speaker 4: done is taken this very ancient biological adaptation and applied
Speaker 4: it in a very unusual situation that never occurred before,
Speaker 4: which is where people had consistent dietary excess. In the
Speaker 4: old days, there was no cardiovascid disease, there was no diabetes,
Speaker 4: there was very little of these chronic the general diseases.
Speaker 4: As a consequence, we they used to be called the
Speaker 4: diseases of kings because it was only the wealthy, elite
Speaker 4: kings that could get the gout and get these conditions
Speaker 4: that were right, and now they're abiquitous because we got
Speaker 4: ultra processed foods. Seventy percent of calories come from multiprocessed
Speaker 4: foods now, and so people are getting fat. And when
Speaker 4: you get fat, you get visceral fat. And the visceral
Speaker 4: fat is pro It acts like a tumor, it's hyper metabolic,
Speaker 4: it gives off inflammatory products. So if you have extra
Speaker 4: fat on your body, let's say you have twenty pounds
Speaker 4: of fat in your body, ten percent of that on
Speaker 4: average is going to be visceral fat. The fat that
Speaker 4: accumulates are on the organs that it's like having a
Speaker 4: two pound tumor in your abdomen. And so when you
Speaker 4: go on to fast, one of the exciting things is
Speaker 4: the body not only gets rid of fat, but it
Speaker 4: preferentially mobilizes visceral fat. So if you go on to
Speaker 4: fast and lose ten percent of your total body weight,
Speaker 4: which you would say in two week fast, you'll not
Speaker 4: lose just ten percent of your tumor, but possibly fifty
Speaker 4: or one hundred percent of your tumor. For example, in
Speaker 4: a study we did on fasting and body composition using
Speaker 4: a dex scanner, these people fasted an average of about
Speaker 4: two weeks. They lost ten percent of their body fat,
Speaker 4: twenty percent of their total or ten percent of their
Speaker 4: body weight, twenty percent of their total fat, and forty
Speaker 4: percent of their visceral fat, only six percent of lean tissue,
Speaker 4: and that was fully recovered at six week follow up,
Speaker 4: and the fat loss continues. So this is the way
Speaker 4: of giving the body a chance to reformulate its body composition.
Speaker 1: Are you suggesting that our ancestors would fast periodically out
Speaker 1: of necessity or that it was just something they did seasonally.
Speaker 4: No, it was always by choice. Spring came late, there
Speaker 4: was nothing to eat, they would fast, and those that
Speaker 4: couldn't fast died. It would never do it by choice,
Speaker 4: it was always by force. But the reality is spring
Speaker 4: comes late, and we evolved in an environment of scarcity.
Speaker 4: Most people didn't live to reproduce. Most people died from
Speaker 4: starvation and predation, and it was a tough world. The
Speaker 4: people that survived were the ones that could store enough
Speaker 4: fat to survive those periods of deprivation. And so you
Speaker 4: know today, if you get fat easily, that's not necessarily
Speaker 4: a bad thing. Biologically, that means you have good plummet
Speaker 4: you absorb what you eat. The problem is, up till
Speaker 4: two hundred year years ago, these mechanisms were great because
Speaker 4: people rarely got too much to eat because it was
Speaker 4: so difficult just getting enough. But since the Industrial Revolution,
Speaker 4: we began to process foods, and now if you have
Speaker 4: good biological genes, the problem is in the modern worlds,
Speaker 4: you're screwed because if you eat those highly process foods,
Speaker 4: you're gonna get fat. If you get fat, you're gonna
Speaker 4: get viceral fat, and it's gonna produce inflammation, and then
Speaker 4: you're gonna get heart disease, diabetes cancer, not immune disease. Now,
Speaker 4: what's interesting is those diseases are treated as if they're unrelated,
Speaker 4: independent conditions. You have to go to different kinds of
Speaker 4: doctors even to be diagnosed with those different diseases. But
Speaker 4: they have something in common. They're all associated with the
Speaker 4: inflammation that's coming from excess visceral fat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want to slam allopathy too hard today,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna come up a lot. Currently in the
Speaker 1: United States, it's a Western culture. Allopathic medicine is the
Speaker 1: dominant treatment of wellness. And they don't even understand fasting
Speaker 1: you're diagnosed and you're giving a medicine.
Speaker 4: What they do understand is disease though, and they will
Speaker 4: tell you if you go to a doctor today and
Speaker 4: you say have high blood pressure or diabetes, they will
Speaker 4: tell you, listen, you take these drugs, and I promise
Speaker 4: you you'll never get well. You'll be sick forever, and
Speaker 4: you'll be on the drugs the rest of your life.
Speaker 4: So they will honestly tell you that what they're doing
Speaker 4: for you has nothing to do with you getting well.
Speaker 1: Well. They won't say that, but or they will.
Speaker 4: They will tell you you'll be on these drugs for
Speaker 4: how long? Two weeks, two months? No, they'll tell you you'll
Speaker 4: be on these drugs the rest of your life. Why
Speaker 4: because you'll never recover. If you're a drug addict and
Speaker 4: you go to the impatient program for thirty days. Say
Speaker 4: you're a heroin addict, there's a ninety percent chance you'll
Speaker 4: be back to using heroin in a year. If you're
Speaker 4: an alcoholic and you go to an inpatient program for
Speaker 4: thirty days and ninety visits in ninety days, to a
Speaker 4: twelve step program, and you have family support, there's an
Speaker 4: eighty three percent chance you'll be drinking within a year.
Speaker 4: If you're overweight and you want to lose five percent
Speaker 4: of your body weight, there's a ninety five percent chance
Speaker 4: if you follow your doctor's advice, you will be have
Speaker 4: regained your obesity within a year. There's only a five
Speaker 4: percent chance that you'll lose your weight and keep it off.
Speaker 4: And if your BMI is over forty, there's a ninety
Speaker 4: nine percent chance you will not lose that weight and
Speaker 4: develop a healthy weight ever, because treating a weight loss
Speaker 4: is less successful than treating drug addiction. Because at least
Speaker 4: with drug addicts, we tell them the truth. They have
Speaker 4: to stop drinking completely. What we tell overweight people is
Speaker 4: eat less and it doesn't work very well. Or change
Speaker 4: the color of your meat from red to white, or
Speaker 4: put your food on a smaller plate and chop your
Speaker 4: food and put your fork down between each bite and
Speaker 4: you won't be overweight anymore. We lie to them instead
Speaker 4: of saying you're overweight because you're fooling the tiding mechanisms
Speaker 4: you will bring with chemicals called salt oil and sugar.
Speaker 4: If you don't remove the SOS, it's very difficult to
Speaker 4: remove the weight loss. So what we advocate is a
Speaker 4: whole plant food diet that's SOS free. SOS, of course,
Speaker 4: is the international symbol of danger, but it also stands
Speaker 4: for the chemicals we put in our food that fool
Speaker 4: our brain and cause us to gain the extra weight.
Speaker 4: Now those chemicals are salt, oil and sugar.
Speaker 1: I just want to remind our listeners that a document
Speaker 1: just came out, a worldwide study that showed the America,
Speaker 1: the United States, is the tenth worst country for healthcare
Speaker 1: among the industrial nations. That's the last on the list.
Speaker 1: And that's not that's not a good thing to happen,
Speaker 1: given the multi trillions of dollars that we spend on
Speaker 1: healthcare each year.
Speaker 4: But that's because we spend our money treating the leading
Speaker 4: cause of depth, which are hard tosease, cancer, diabetes, et cetera,
Speaker 4: instead of treating the actual causes of death. The reason
Speaker 4: people get heart disease, cancer and diabetes, which is a
Speaker 4: high fat, high protein diet, and smoking and alcohol consumption.
Speaker 4: If we focused on treating the actual causes of disease drinking, smoking,
Speaker 4: and eating a poor diet rather than waiting until people
Speaker 4: develop diseases and then ineffectively treating them with drugs and
Speaker 4: stents and bypass procedures, we might be able to get
Speaker 4: more bang for our buck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it has to do with the education. When
Speaker 1: you say alan, I mean we're talking about physicians that
Speaker 1: are graduating that get maybe one class of nutrition and
Speaker 1: everything else is pharmacology.
Speaker 4: Well, that's because medicine has nothing to do with healthcare.
Speaker 4: It's got to do with the management of the symptoms
Speaker 4: of disease using drugs and surgery. And frankly, they do
Speaker 4: a rather impressive job. They figured out more drugs that
Speaker 4: you can take for the rest of your life than
Speaker 4: ever before, and so the industry has never been more
Speaker 4: profitable or lucrative. It's working great as far as that's concerned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's more sick people. That doesn't help.
Speaker 4: As long as they're on drugs the rest of your life.
Speaker 4: What's the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a good statement for our country. You
Speaker 1: define fasting than your book as pro long fast can
Speaker 1: you define interminute fasting with the other types of fasting
Speaker 1: that you promote.
Speaker 4: So one thing we've promoted for the last forty years
Speaker 4: is let's call it time restrictive feeding, which, as we suggest,
Speaker 4: people do not eat three to four hours before they
Speaker 4: go to bed every night, and that's going to give
Speaker 4: them a period of twelve to sixteen hours of fasting
Speaker 4: every day. So you don't eat, say let's see, you
Speaker 4: have dinner at five o'clock or six o'clock, you don't
Speaker 4: eat again until you go to sleep, you wake up
Speaker 4: in the morning. For trying to lose weight, you might
Speaker 4: even do some exercise before you start eating in the morning.
Speaker 4: And during that eight hour feeding window, you limit yourself
Speaker 4: to whole plant foods that are free of salt, oil,
Speaker 4: and sugar. If you do that and you're a male,
Speaker 4: you're gonna lose three pounds a week down to optimum weight.
Speaker 4: If you're a female, you're gonna lose about two pounds
Speaker 4: a week down doctium weight. We're gonna lose about fifty
Speaker 4: percent less weight, everything else being equal, because essentially females
Speaker 4: are in that you're conserving fat storage devices. Biologically speaking,
Speaker 4: they're full of estrogen, which is a fat storage hormone
Speaker 4: that allows them to adapt a period of biological mobility
Speaker 4: called pregnancy. So males are going to lose weight easier
Speaker 4: than females are. Everything else being equal, and if you
Speaker 4: ask any husband and wife, they'll agree that. You know,
Speaker 4: when they go on a diet together, it doesn't work
Speaker 4: the same. So it doesn't mean we can't be overweight
Speaker 4: as males. We do have to work harder at it
Speaker 4: than females do.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's intermittent fasting. What's the other alternative?
Speaker 4: There's the other there's also that's time restricted feeding. There's
Speaker 4: other times of fasting when people fast for two days
Speaker 4: a week, or you know, on and off and different things.
Speaker 4: But what we've been advocating is time restricted feeding for
Speaker 4: everybody every day and then as needed. It curred a
Speaker 4: prolonged water only fasting where you're in a controlled environment,
Speaker 4: under rest and you're doing nothing but water, and we
Speaker 4: do that for up to forty days with patients at
Speaker 4: a time. Good So Moses, David, Elijah Jesus and our
Speaker 4: patients have been able to do long term fast and
Speaker 4: we tell them they're in good company.
Speaker 1: You know, that's funny. What's the benefit of water only
Speaker 1: because I do a fast and I'll have water tea.
Speaker 1: I think the longest fast I've done so far is
Speaker 1: five days.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So if those other modified forms of fasting where
Speaker 4: people include juices or teas or boss with things and
Speaker 4: they're fine and they have utility, they can be a
Speaker 4: safe and you know, useful tool. But water only fasting
Speaker 4: is what is the is the focus of the studies
Speaker 4: that we've published, the book that we've written, and it's
Speaker 4: where the research is. And when you have a person
Speaker 4: that's really sick, there's nothing like water only fasting when
Speaker 4: it comes to say, reversing diabetes, hypertension, automine disease, or cancer.
Speaker 4: Modified fasting and healthy eating and diet and life cell
Speaker 4: can be great, and there's lots of people advocating that.
Speaker 4: Vaulter Longo has published a lot of work on Internet
Speaker 4: and fasting. They have products like prol on and other things.
Speaker 4: The advantage to that is it's it's a gentler, slower,
Speaker 4: safer kind of approach that people can do that doesn't
Speaker 4: require our history exam lab and monitoring that water fasting does.
Speaker 4: In order to do a long term water fast first
Speaker 4: you have to make sure you're a good candidate for
Speaker 4: a fasting, not everybody is, and the way you do
Speaker 4: that is by medical history, physical examine, some lab testing.
Speaker 4: And then if you are a good candidate for fasting,
Speaker 4: you have to make sure you rest during fasting and
Speaker 4: you stay hydrated so you avoid dehydration and debilitation. And
Speaker 4: then you have to carefully refeed after fasting to avoid
Speaker 4: post fasting a demo or potentially fatal refeeding syndrome. So
Speaker 4: if you take a person in fast and for say
Speaker 4: thirty days, and you too too rapidly refeed them, they
Speaker 4: can get really sick. And so it's important that there's
Speaker 4: a protocol that's fauled. That's what we've laid out in
Speaker 4: our book Can Fastening Save Your Life? It tells people
Speaker 4: how to determine are they a candidate for fasting, if
Speaker 4: they're going to fast, how to do it, and if
Speaker 4: they're doing it, once they're done doing it, how to
Speaker 4: refeed and how to eat after fasting so that you
Speaker 4: can maintain a good long term success.
Speaker 1: Okay, give us a couple of examples of someone who
Speaker 1: would not be a good candidate for fast So.
Speaker 4: A person, for example, that's on certain types of medications
Speaker 4: like antiquagulant therapy or story therapy. You can't just stop
Speaker 4: those medications. The rapid withdrawal of those medications can result
Speaker 4: in a stroke or problem. But you can't fast on
Speaker 4: medications because drugs become greatly potentiated during fasting. As toxic
Speaker 4: as drugs are in the fed state, in the fasting state,
Speaker 4: they could become greatly potentiated. So a medication you might
Speaker 4: be able to take in the feeding state and get
Speaker 4: away with it, a non stralian inflammatory, for example, in
Speaker 4: the fasting state, could shut down your kidneys to deliver
Speaker 4: and create all kinds of problems. So we don't fast
Speaker 4: on medications, but you can't just arbitrarily discontinue all medications.
Speaker 4: That's why you need to work with a position that's
Speaker 4: not an idiot to help you figure out how to
Speaker 4: transition into a state where you can't fasting. Or if
Speaker 4: you can't do that, let's say you're on a medication
Speaker 4: that can't be conveniently withdrawn, then we would modify the
Speaker 4: protocol into more of like what you mentioned to juice
Speaker 4: fast or modified fast and see where you'd be able
Speaker 4: to do that safely and continue to take your medications
Speaker 4: to do water only. Fasting does work, that you take
Speaker 4: some time to make sure that you're a good candidate
Speaker 4: and that it be done properly, or it can be
Speaker 4: really become a mess.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody seems to be on some kind of
Speaker 1: drug because of the allopathic model that we're all facing with.
Speaker 1: If someone's on statins, is that a drug that would
Speaker 1: be compromising for a fast.
Speaker 4: Well, you wouldn't fast on status. But there's absolutely no
Speaker 4: reason you can't discontinue statum medications. Statum medications don't work
Speaker 4: very well if you actually look at you know the
Speaker 4: number of people that benefit versus those that are damaged
Speaker 4: from statu medications that with the withdrawal of statum medications
Speaker 4: is normally not one of those complicating factors. In fact,
Speaker 4: some medications like bloo pressure medications, you have to withdraw
Speaker 4: even in preparation for fasting, because just going on a
Speaker 4: healthy diet reduces your needs for medications. Your blood pressure
Speaker 4: comes down, you don't get off the medications, you'll be
Speaker 4: having people passing out and having all kinds of problems
Speaker 4: because people are not being medicated for their high blood pressure.
Speaker 4: They're being medicated for the diet that causes the high
Speaker 4: blood pressure, and the moment you change the cause, which
Speaker 4: is the diet, you have to start appropriately withdrawing the medication. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but obviously you monitor the situation. You do want to
Speaker 4: have rebound hypertensive prices or something like that. But that's
Speaker 4: why we're saying if people are going to do long
Speaker 4: term fasting, there's one or two ways to do it.
Speaker 4: You can work with people like us that provide remote
Speaker 4: support in conjunction with your local doctor, and they can
Speaker 4: use the information in the book to educate themselves as
Speaker 4: well as their doctor. Where they come to toe in
Speaker 4: our health center where that's what we do. We put
Speaker 4: people in an inpatient setting. They get examined twice a day,
Speaker 4: they're carefully monitored, and we've done it with twenty five
Speaker 4: thousand people in a row and everybody that's walked in
Speaker 4: is walked out.
Speaker 1: And that was one of my questions. You haven't lost anybody.
Speaker 4: No, not only have we not had anybody die, but
Speaker 4: we've actually published the only long term water fast and
Speaker 4: safety study where we've actually looked at all cause mortality complications,
Speaker 4: what happens, and all of that's detailed in our book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk real briefly about chapter three,
Speaker 1: which you just highlighted, called is fasting safe? Give us
Speaker 1: the basics of somebody who might be concerned, especially with.
Speaker 4: Prolonged fast well again, people that are on medications where
Speaker 4: you can't be stabilized, people that have antirex or nevosa,
Speaker 4: people that are in a cataxic state, may not be
Speaker 4: caochandists for fasting. If you're pregnant or lactating, that wouldn't
Speaker 4: be a good time. Yeah, long wild only fastening. If
Speaker 4: you're lactating, your illusion real production, that's not desirable. There
Speaker 4: are problems atrial fibrillation, recent stroke am I. Again, if
Speaker 4: you're on any coagulant therapy, those are medications you have
Speaker 4: to be exquisitely careful about withdrawing. People that are on neuropsychmads. Again,
Speaker 4: we're happy to help people get off these medications, but
Speaker 4: you have to do it slowly and carefully, a lot
Speaker 4: of times we have doctors that work remotely for people
Speaker 4: through telemedicine, and they'll work with them sometimes for weeks
Speaker 4: or months excellent before they actually come out to the center.
Speaker 4: The only annoying thing about that is, like I've been
Speaker 4: enrolling these patients in the study, like the one we
Speaker 4: did with the Male Clinic looking at hyper and we'll
Speaker 4: enroll people in these studies because they're good candidates, and
Speaker 4: then they'll work with our doctors remotely, and oftentimes they
Speaker 4: do so well that they no longer qualified for the
Speaker 4: study by the time they come in. It's so annoying.
Speaker 1: You're just too good, fella.
Speaker 4: So you know, the reality is it helps results in
Speaker 4: healthical living. It's diets, sleep, and exercise. If you can
Speaker 4: do the diet, sleep and exercise, often you'll do so well.
Speaker 4: Fastening becomes secondary. But some people have trouble implementing the
Speaker 4: diet and lifestyle changes, and so if fasting could be
Speaker 4: a hopeful tool at adjusting their palate, correcting their got microwium,
Speaker 4: helping them get off medications, there's a lot of people
Speaker 4: that once they feel better, their capacity that fast improves
Speaker 4: a lot.
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Speaker 1: with my guest today, doctor Allan Goldhammer discussing his latest book,
Speaker 1: Can Fasting Save Your Life? We'll be right back. My
Speaker 1: guest today is doctor Allan Goldhammer. He is the director
Speaker 1: of True North Health Clinic, a fasting clinic in Santa Rosa, California,
Speaker 1: and we're discussing his latest book just came out called
Speaker 1: Can fast Save Your Life? Inflammation has come around to
Speaker 1: be well studied now and when you have an inflammated brain,
Speaker 1: apparently this is the beginning of dementia and other problems.
Speaker 1: But you have a section in your book where you
Speaker 1: describe fasting to balance metabolism. Why is that important? I
Speaker 1: understand why it is, but talk a little bit for
Speaker 1: our listeners.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I mean there's a number of things there.
Speaker 4: When we talk about tables, we also talk about got microbiomas.
Speaker 4: It relates to it. And also you mentioned this brain information.
Speaker 4: This is really important. There's some great studies done on
Speaker 4: a rodents initially where they had thirty rats. These are
Speaker 4: genetically bred animals are identical. So you have thirty rodents
Speaker 4: and another thirty romans. Each of them are identical, and
Speaker 4: they're fed identically, and they're in the same identical cage.
Speaker 4: It's the only difference was they gave half of the wheel,
Speaker 4: and the rats with the wheel would run on the
Speaker 4: wheel and they wouldn't develop Alzheimer's disease. And people said,
Speaker 4: what the heck, how is it that exercise is preventing
Speaker 4: Alzheimer's disease? And they analyzed the rats and they realized
Speaker 4: that what was happening is the exercise induced BDNF brain
Speaker 4: drive neutrophic factor, which is a chemical that prevents Alzheimer's
Speaker 4: disease by neutralizing the effect of inflammation in the brain.
Speaker 4: And so it turns out that if you exercise, your
Speaker 4: incidence of brain inflammation goes down a lot. Well, one
Speaker 4: of the other things that dramatically increases BDNF brain drive
Speaker 4: neutrophic factor is fast And so if you take rats,
Speaker 4: for example, again matched rats, and you feed them identically,
Speaker 4: do everything the same, but you periodically fast after the
Speaker 4: rats you double their lifespan. Wow, they live twice as long.
Speaker 4: And part of it is BDNF goes up and other
Speaker 4: biomarker changes. In fact, if you look at all the
Speaker 4: biome marker changes that occur with exercise, almost all of
Speaker 4: them also improve with fasting. And that's weird when you
Speaker 4: think about it. It's not intuitively obvious because in exercise
Speaker 4: you're vigorous and active. In fasting, you're resting. Why would
Speaker 4: both of these completely unrelated activities avoid and cause the
Speaker 4: same biochemical improvements? And I think the reason is that
Speaker 4: both of these things have one thing in common. They
Speaker 4: both undo the consequence of dietary access. They both get
Speaker 4: rid of the fat and the visceral fat that produces
Speaker 4: the inflammation that causes all these diseases. These are not
Speaker 4: unrelated conditions. These are all common conditions but manifesting in
Speaker 4: different ways. And that's why these different conditions respond to fasting.
Speaker 4: Whether it's high blood pressure. If you look at high
Speaker 4: blood pssure, the believing contribute causes death and disability. We
Speaker 4: have the largest effects that they've ever been shown in
Speaker 4: treating high blood pressure. We took one hundred and seventy
Speaker 4: four consecutive patients with high blood pressure, and one hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy four people normalize the pressure enough to eliminate
Speaker 4: the need for medication. We have a law ourgest effects
Speaker 4: ever shown with a sixty point dropping in sistelic blood
Speaker 4: pressure and stage WE hypertension.
Speaker 1: They all fast at the same time period.
Speaker 4: No, it ranges from five to forty days. The need
Speaker 4: for fasting various on the circumstance of the patient. We
Speaker 4: recently did a study with our colleague from the male clinic.
Speaker 4: Twenty seven patients with hypertension on medications. Twenty six were
Speaker 4: able to normalize their pressure entirely without medication. One required
Speaker 4: half dosing at six We follow up. Then we followed
Speaker 4: those patients for one year and we said what percentage
Speaker 4: of those people would have maintained their weight loss and
Speaker 4: what percentage of them would still be off drugs and
Speaker 4: have normal blood pressure. Seventy six percent of those patients
Speaker 4: on follow up had maintained their weight loss and the
Speaker 4: majority had normal blood pressure without medication even a year later.
Speaker 4: So what it shows you was highly motivated people that
Speaker 4: are willing to do dangerous and radical things like eat
Speaker 4: well and exercise and go to bebon on and maybe
Speaker 4: do some fasting can not only overcome this disease but
Speaker 4: maintain it long term. And this is a disease that
Speaker 4: almost every doctor in the country will tell you you'll
Speaker 4: be on the drugs for the rest of your life
Speaker 4: because they don't see people get well.
Speaker 1: HM. That's fascinating.
Speaker 4: I was in Texas. I gave a talk to a
Speaker 4: group of medical doctors diamatologists, and we talked about my
Speaker 4: experience treating diabetes. And one of the doctors came up
Speaker 4: and these doctors were almost all overweight. They were serving
Speaker 4: a pulled pork sandwiches and chocolate cake. And there was
Speaker 4: nothing to eat at this conference for me except there
Speaker 4: were some decorations on the table, some bell peppers, they
Speaker 4: put some Brits. I have to say they were delicious.
Speaker 4: But anyway, that afterwards, one of the doctors came up
Speaker 4: to me and he said, you know, I've been treating
Speaker 4: diabegs for twenty five years. I've never seen one get well.
Speaker 4: He says, maybe I should try this diet stuff myself.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, you know, if I'd been treating somebody
Speaker 4: for twenty five years and nobody ever get well, I'd
Speaker 4: start thinking maybe it's me. But you know, maybe that's
Speaker 4: just me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, are there any studies on the effects of
Speaker 1: fasting with the pre onset of dementia or any of
Speaker 1: these brain fog conditions that are just overwhelming us right now?
Speaker 4: So there's no conditions showing the reversal of established dementia
Speaker 4: with fasting. But there is some excellent data coming out
Speaker 4: from Dean Ornish, the guy who's been famous for his
Speaker 4: work on cardiavastuo disease, and he's looking at He's looked
Speaker 4: at prostate cancer, and now he's looking at Alzheimer's disease.
Speaker 4: And so I would defer to his work. We haven't
Speaker 4: published anything on Alzheimer's. You know, it's a very difficult
Speaker 4: to study. You have to do really long term follow up.
Speaker 4: It's hard to objectify. We tend to focus on the
Speaker 4: low hanging fruit, the people that are dooming success that
Speaker 4: have fabulous results and make us look good because we're
Speaker 4: still doing something that's considered very controversial. I don't know
Speaker 4: that we're still up there being equated with Jim Jones
Speaker 4: or something. But you know, fasting long term still seems
Speaker 4: kind of radical. I mean, most people think if they
Speaker 4: got on a plane in New York and they flew
Speaker 4: all the way to California, they'd die over Colorado if
Speaker 4: they didn't eat those pretzels. You know, that's pretty sure.
Speaker 4: The pretzels saved their life.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 4: But he is doing work on Alzheimer's and diet, and
Speaker 4: so I'd looked at him for research on Alzheimer's. It's
Speaker 4: not a condition that we've had success reversing.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because we were just talking about the
Speaker 1: reduction of inflammation, which is the big problem with dementia,
Speaker 1: and if fasting reduces it or perhaps limits it with
Speaker 1: a follow up refeeding as you call it, and lifestyle change,
Speaker 1: I wonder if there is a chance to reduce it
Speaker 1: or I'm not sure you can reduce or eliminate the.
Speaker 4: Damaged to stop it. We know that you can stop it.
Speaker 4: Like I said, exercise helps prevent Alzheimer's disease, and rats
Speaker 4: and human beings that by increasing BDNF and fasting definitely
Speaker 4: increased b D and F. But remember, inflammation isn't the enemy.
Speaker 4: Inflammation is the process of the body uses to get well.
Speaker 4: It's just when the inflammation doesn't work, when it's limited
Speaker 4: because of the greasy, fatty, slimy, dead, decaying flesh, you know,
Speaker 4: disease state, it never gets a chance to help the
Speaker 4: body resolve the problem. It becomes damaging in and of itself.
Speaker 4: So like in fasting, inflammation actually goes up. But then
Speaker 4: it resolves the problem and comes down dramatically. So it's
Speaker 4: not that the inflammation is the problem, it's just the
Speaker 4: medical management is seeing inflammation as the problem, so they
Speaker 4: give you drugs the suppression inflammation, and the problem is
Speaker 4: at first, it's like if you treat umatron arthritis and
Speaker 4: you get pregnice on it. First it's like a dream
Speaker 4: because the pain goes away. But then it becomes a
Speaker 4: nightmare because it turns out the way it works is
Speaker 4: turning off the immune system if you need your immune system,
Speaker 4: and so long term it's a nightmare. It's like these
Speaker 4: new drugs they're using for weight loss, so zepic ANDJP inhibitors.
Speaker 4: People are eating ultra processed foods. They can't regulate the quantity,
Speaker 4: so they get fat. You give these drugs to people,
Speaker 4: they get sick enough that they eat less of that
Speaker 4: highly processed food. They lose some of their appetite, and
Speaker 4: so they get a little bit less fat. On the
Speaker 4: long run, it's a complete nightmare because you know, all
Speaker 4: you're doing is giving people the ability to keep doing
Speaker 4: the thing that causes the problem, but making them sick
Speaker 4: enough that they don't eat as much of it. That's
Speaker 4: not a good long term solution. Yeah, a short term though,
Speaker 4: they lose some weight. But if you just are interested
Speaker 4: in short from weight loss, I tell patients just get
Speaker 4: a chainsaw, cut your leg off at the hip. It's
Speaker 4: forty pounds overnight, no messing around, Eat whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Jesus duck. That's pretty radical. That's pretty extreme. About all.
Speaker 4: Radical means radical, root rut, or cause. So yeah, everything
Speaker 4: we do is pretty radical or trying to get the
Speaker 4: root cause, which is, instead of trying to suppress your
Speaker 4: satiety mechanism so you can keep eating crap, what we
Speaker 4: would say is, let's stop eating crap. It's like trying
Speaker 4: to treat alcoholics by telling them to drink beer and wine.
Speaker 4: It's not going to work long term. R Okay, what
Speaker 4: works is to stop drinking. You want to lose weight,
Speaker 4: stop eating the sugar, oil, and salt that full your
Speaker 4: society mechanisms, and you will lose weight.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want you to address a portion of the
Speaker 1: book that I thought was pretty enlightening, which is fasting
Speaker 1: for the reduction of obesity. This is a huge problem
Speaker 1: in America because not only our diet but sedentary life
Speaker 1: styles that creep up and then you're given the drugs
Speaker 1: for cholesterol, you're given blood thinners for perhaps a heart condition,
Speaker 1: and it's an ugly cycle that people fall into.
Speaker 4: It's a very lucrative cycle though it's working great and
Speaker 4: especially now the new drugs you have to take for
Speaker 4: the rest of your life, that's what they're looking at.
Speaker 4: Drugs you take or inject forever. Becomes a great profit center.
Speaker 4: And also it means you don't have to give up
Speaker 4: your addiction. You know. Again, alcoholics don't like being told
Speaker 4: they have to stop drinking. It seems so radical. I mean,
Speaker 4: no drinking at all. But you know, overweight people don't
Speaker 4: want to be told they have to give up the
Speaker 4: hyperprocess foods, which makes us up to seventy percent of
Speaker 4: the calories that people eat. As we're talking about going
Speaker 4: really radical back to a whole plant food diet, the
Speaker 4: kind of foods people ate for two hundred thousand years
Speaker 4: until the Industrial Revolution two hundred years ago. A lot
Speaker 4: of us to strut transitioning to ultra process foods. Well,
Speaker 4: that's the diet of people eat. When you go into
Speaker 4: a grocery store, Like I made a comment that ninety
Speaker 4: five percent of the foods and Whole Foods have nothing
Speaker 4: to do with Whole Foods. And the owner of Whole
Speaker 4: Foods who was at our facility at the time before
Speaker 4: it got bought by Amazon, so that was not true.
Speaker 4: It was ninety nine percent the ninety nine percent of
Speaker 4: the food and ninety nine percent of the profit had
Speaker 4: nothing to do with Whole Foods.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: And so you know, and I and they explained to me,
Speaker 4: you should be grateful to those people buying the meat, fish, fowl, eggs,
Speaker 4: dairy products of oil, AsSalt, sugar, chocolate, because they're all
Speaker 4: the profit was. If it wasn't for them, there'd be
Speaker 4: no Whole Foods. And so now when I go into
Speaker 4: Whole Foods, like I was just in New York and
Speaker 4: there was a huge Whole Foods. There were like one
Speaker 4: hundred checkouts, and I saw all these people filling up
Speaker 4: their carts with all this highly processed, help compromising food.
Speaker 4: But my attitude's very different. I went around and thanked
Speaker 4: them for their support. You know, it's like, you know, you're.
Speaker 1: Fuddy come to my clinic. You suggest in your book
Speaker 1: prolonged water fast can reverse obesity. All is how that works.
Speaker 4: So what happens in water fasting is I mentioned in
Speaker 4: a study we did recently where people in what two
Speaker 4: weeks are fasting, they would lose ten percent of fat,
Speaker 4: twenty percent of the ten percent of their body weight,
Speaker 4: twenty percent of their fat, forty percent of their visceral fat.
Speaker 4: You lose this weight, and the fat loss continues even
Speaker 4: as you replenish protein, water, fiber, and glycogen. And then,
Speaker 4: assuming you're willing to eat a whole plant food diet,
Speaker 4: you'll continue to lose weight. And that's exactly what our
Speaker 4: patients do. So and if you're a male, you can
Speaker 4: expect an average or three pounds a week, a female
Speaker 4: about two pounds a week, and that's with moderate activity.
Speaker 4: That's not being an Olympic athlete. It's not doing anything,
Speaker 4: you know, outrageous, and so you will see these transformations.
Speaker 4: More importantly, we've got lots of people that are able
Speaker 4: to lose that fifty one hundred pounds, but years later
Speaker 4: they've kept it off. And so even though we know
Speaker 4: the chance of a male ever doing that is one
Speaker 4: in one two hundred and eighty in the United States,
Speaker 4: you know our numbers are completely different. But it's because
Speaker 4: we're getting people to fundamentally change their diet lifestyle. You
Speaker 4: have to change what you put in your mouth, and
Speaker 4: if you want it to be effective, it also helps
Speaker 4: to get enough sleep and do enough exercise.
Speaker 1: So plant based diet it means no meat whatsoever. Are
Speaker 1: you saying no.
Speaker 4: Beef, but we're saying exclusively whole plant food diet that's
Speaker 4: SOS free. Basically, here's what you tell patients. Close your
Speaker 4: eyes and go inside yourself and ask yourself any food
Speaker 4: that could possibly give you joy or comfort and get
Speaker 4: rid of it, So no more hand get nothing. Fruits
Speaker 4: and vegetables, grains and humes, nuts and seeds, no meat, fish, fowl, eggs,
Speaker 4: dry proucts, oil, salt or sugar. And we say it
Speaker 4: really quickly. What you give up is meat, fish, fally stairy,
Speaker 4: parks of ol, salt, sugar. By saying it quickly, you
Speaker 4: don't seem like you're giving up so much. And then
Speaker 4: when you talk about what you can have, you say
Speaker 4: it really slowly. Fruit and then name them all apples, bananas, pea, juice.
Speaker 4: Pair the whole food, though we're not talking about juicing
Speaker 4: so much and processing and drying, talking about whole So
Speaker 4: for breakfast, for example, you might have fruits and some grains.
Speaker 4: You might have a grain like oatmeal at lunch, big salads,
Speaker 4: and how do you know if you have enough salad?
Speaker 4: If you don't have a scale way out a pound
Speaker 4: of salad, you just put your salad down and wait
Speaker 4: for the people that work to walk in the room
Speaker 4: and they go, oh my gosh, you're not gonna eat
Speaker 4: all that, are you? You know you're okay if they
Speaker 4: don't react with shock and awe. You've got the wrong
Speaker 4: size bull. Get yourself a bucket. You got to eat
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 1: You eat so.
Speaker 4: Much low chloric density, high nutrition density food. There's no
Speaker 4: room left for the highly processed foods. It's making everybody
Speaker 4: fat for they So you got to eat more, and
Speaker 4: you gotta sleep more. Get the bet on time so
Speaker 4: you can wake up feeling refreshed, getting some exercise. These
Speaker 4: are critically important issues, but it's exactly what people don't do.
Speaker 4: They deprive themselves asleep, They get over stimulated, they get angry,
Speaker 4: mad and frustrated, so they use drugs like a food
Speaker 4: to deal with their emotional issues. They don't dissipate their
Speaker 4: stress with exercise. They surround themselves with what I call
Speaker 4: energy vampires, and those are people that do what they
Speaker 4: do best, and that's make other people as sick and
Speaker 4: miserable as they are, so by comparison, they don't have
Speaker 4: to feel so bad. And so if you're of those loving,
Speaker 4: caring kind people that worries about what other people feel,
Speaker 4: it's even harder because you know, even as you lose weight,
Speaker 4: they start getting upset. You ask women what happens when
Speaker 4: they lose fifty pounds. They go back to work. The
Speaker 4: other women aren't going like, Oh, we're so proud of you.
Speaker 4: You must have adopted a whole plant food diet. What
Speaker 4: can we do to help? No, you walk in the
Speaker 4: room and they're going like, oh, here she comes that bit.
Speaker 4: You know, they're all over the Where are you going
Speaker 4: to get your protein from? It's no good to be
Speaker 4: a fanatic though, there's nothing but fortunately men, it's not
Speaker 4: so bad. Men lose fifty pounds, they go back to
Speaker 4: what the other men don't notice, and if they do notice,
Speaker 4: they don't care. So a little bit easier for the males,
Speaker 4: a little bit harder for the females. That's just how
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 1: Interesting talk about the state someone's physiology is in as
Speaker 1: they're fit fasting and you actually talk about reversing obesity,
Speaker 1: but you also talked about the refeeding process and how
Speaker 1: that adds to the continual weight loss. I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 1: Is there a trigger point and a mechanism in the
Speaker 1: system that is turned on at a certain point when
Speaker 1: somebody is trying to reduce the body fat.
Speaker 4: Well, one of the things that's unique about fasting is
Speaker 4: that not only preferentially mobilizes fat, but it particularly targets
Speaker 4: this visceral fat, this tumor like material that's hypermetabolic, that's
Speaker 4: giving off inflammatory products. Once you lose the fat, if
Speaker 4: you're on a whole plant food sus free diet, you're
Speaker 4: not getting the chlored density necessary to put on the
Speaker 4: excess fat. So your body will continue to mobilize fat
Speaker 4: as it regains protein, water, fiber, and glycogen. So let's
Speaker 4: say you lose twenty pounds in faster, you're going to
Speaker 4: regain ten pounds, but it's not that it's water fiber
Speaker 4: doing protein, and the fat loss will continue even if
Speaker 4: the scale is up initially, then you're gonna stabilize and
Speaker 4: then you're going to lose weight. You know, we've proven
Speaker 4: this over and over again. But more importantly, you're going
Speaker 4: to normalize your blood pressure, you're going to normalize your
Speaker 4: blood sugar levels. You're going to reboot the gut microbiome.
Speaker 4: Think about this. You got maybe a trillion creatures of
Speaker 4: more five pounds of organs living in your gut, little
Speaker 4: creatures swimming around, protozoa bacteria eating, swimming and dedicating inside you.
Speaker 4: Right now today you have five pounds of creatures deficating
Speaker 4: inside your xestinal time and what they pooing you depends
Speaker 4: on what you feed them. If you feed them meat, fish,
Speaker 4: valleys and diary parks, they're going to be pooing things
Speaker 4: like TMA trimethylaminoxidacent to you, which is why mediators get
Speaker 4: so much color cancer and prompts. On the other hand,
Speaker 4: if you feed them plants, you get different organisms and
Speaker 4: different pooh. You're going to be getting vitamin K and
Speaker 4: fertilizer things you actually need. So if you want to
Speaker 4: have fertilizers to the TMA, feed your organisms plants. Think
Speaker 4: about this. If you took your body and separated whole
Speaker 4: you know, human cells from non human cells, like you
Speaker 4: know your skin is teeming with bacteria, your guts teeming
Speaker 4: with vecteria. There's actually more quantitative numbers of non human
Speaker 4: cells than human cells making up your body right now. Wow,
Speaker 4: there are more non human cells in that mass you
Speaker 4: carrier out than human cells. So it's very important that
Speaker 4: we get along with these organisms. And the way you
Speaker 4: do that is to feed them the diet they're designed
Speaker 4: to eat, which is high amounts of vegetable sailos, not greasy, fatty, slimy, dead,
Speaker 4: decaying flesh.
Speaker 1: Talk about real briefly about these this new term sinessence
Speaker 1: cells or zombie cells. This is a big thing right now.
Speaker 1: People are trying to rid themselves of these zombie cells.
Speaker 1: How does fasting work with that?
Speaker 4: Well, the thing what's really exciting is that the Nobel
Speaker 4: Prize actually for medicine twenty eighteen Yocenary assuming was about autophogy.
Speaker 4: How the immune system eats up these old decrepit cells
Speaker 4: and cancer cells and gets rid of them. And it
Speaker 4: turns out that one of the things that dramatically increases
Speaker 4: autopogy is fast. Really, the reasons why we see the
Speaker 4: results in some of the tumor cases like lymphoem and whatnot,
Speaker 4: maybe because increased autoplogy is one of the consequences of
Speaker 4: excuse me faster, And so, for example, we published a
Speaker 4: pace in the British Medical Journal on a woman with
Speaker 4: Flicker lymphoma type of lymph cancer was stage three confirmed
Speaker 4: by excisional biopsy. Her doctor told her that diet didn't matter,
Speaker 4: she'd eat whatever she wanted. Diet had nothing to do
Speaker 4: with the condition, that fasting was criminal quackery, but she
Speaker 4: decided to come in and do a fast anyway. She
Speaker 4: fasted for twenty one days, during which time her tumors disappeared.
Speaker 4: Couldn't find her tumors anymore, sent her back to oncologist
Speaker 4: who examined her, and she said it was funny. He
Speaker 4: was examining her, but he couldn't find the tumors and
Speaker 4: he looked at the chart. He looked at her and
Speaker 4: he asked her finally what happened, and she said, well,
Speaker 4: I went to the criminal quacks and I did the
Speaker 4: fasting and the tumors went away, and he said, oh my,
Speaker 4: you know. And so we followed this patient and at
Speaker 4: one year we published this case report in the British
Speaker 4: Medical Journal on the reversal of lymphoma with fasting, and
Speaker 4: then we followed her three years and ten years and
Speaker 4: she continues to be cancer free well. And then since
Speaker 4: then we did what's called a KSE series. We had
Speaker 4: a series of patients with the limp foam, including somebody
Speaker 4: that had failed chemotherapy and had recurrent returned, another one
Speaker 4: that had actually metastasizing you as bones was very severe,
Speaker 4: and all of them have done well. We publish this
Speaker 4: case series, and now what we'd like to do as
Speaker 4: a clinical trial random assignment to condition half of them
Speaker 4: divided into standard care where they stay sick, and half
Speaker 4: of them where they do fasting and diet and get well,
Speaker 4: and they compare them long term to see what's preferable.
Speaker 4: And so you know, part of that mechanism of what
Speaker 4: we're seeing there is probably this increased autopogy that's associated
Speaker 4: with fasting and improved diet.
Speaker 1: What would be a maintenance level of fasting for sinescent
Speaker 1: cell reduction or elimination.
Speaker 4: So your constantly cells are constantly dying off, you're constantly
Speaker 4: forming cancer cells. If you managed to kill the cancer cells,
Speaker 4: get rid of them faster than you form them, you
Speaker 4: stay healthy. If they've formed faster than you get rid
Speaker 4: of me, you grow tumors, and then you get sick
Speaker 4: and die. Right, so there's a several things you can
Speaker 4: do to improve your body natural atopogenic components. Number one
Speaker 4: is you can get enough sleep. Slip deprivation is immune suppressive.
Speaker 4: Number two, you can avoid the chemicals that inhibit atophagy,
Speaker 4: which includes most of the drugs that are given to people.
Speaker 4: Number three, you can go on a whole plant food
Speaker 4: sus free diet, huge difference compared to a greasy, faty
Speaker 4: SLIMI processed food diet. And number four you can use fasting.
Speaker 4: And I suggest people fast every day sixteen hours, so later,
Speaker 4: don't eat three to four hours before you go to bed. Right,
Speaker 4: you'll get a twelve to sixteen hour fast every day.
Speaker 1: Well, what would be the breakfast time, Well, you skip.
Speaker 4: Bros, try to lose weight. We want to go sixteen hours.
Speaker 4: So let's say your dinner is at five or six o'clock.
Speaker 4: You don't eat again until maybe nine or ten o'clock
Speaker 4: the next day, okay, and before breakfast you get a
Speaker 4: chance maybe do some exercise preferentially mobilize your fat stores.
Speaker 4: And so if you're trying to gain weight or just stabilize.
Speaker 4: Where you're a kid and you need to have more
Speaker 4: hours of eating, then what you would do is you
Speaker 4: do the same thing. You don't eat three to four
Speaker 4: hours before you go to bet, but you might have
Speaker 4: an earlier breakfast.
Speaker 1: Okay, And this is in essence of what you're suggesting,
Speaker 1: is this is doing a clean sweep of these sinessence cells.
Speaker 4: Well not just the SINESSA cells, but also all of
Speaker 4: these immunological factors of the body as.
Speaker 1: The body needs to reveewerate.
Speaker 4: Okay, that occasionally we would do a longer medically supervised
Speaker 4: fast depending on the person. If they're healthy, we do
Speaker 4: relatively short fast five to ten days once a year.
Speaker 4: If they're sick, we do as long as it takes
Speaker 4: up to forty days. However often it takes to get
Speaker 4: the problems solved. For example, we had a dentist at
Speaker 4: our facility. We talk about this in the book. She
Speaker 4: had been to a dental a conference that got hit
Speaker 4: in the head by a tent polar all right, I
Speaker 4: read that one and God on dural tear and had
Speaker 4: constant daily headache for you know, eight out of ten
Speaker 4: to ten out of ten every minute of every day
Speaker 4: for sixteen years, was completely disabled around it. And she
Speaker 4: came in and did a water only fast We faster
Speaker 4: forty one days the first time, and then we refet
Speaker 4: her for six months and then did forty days is
Speaker 4: the second time. And now it's been almost fifteen years.
Speaker 4: She has no headache. So she got a resolution after
Speaker 4: a life long of hell and probably because of the inflammation,
Speaker 4: you know, negative inflammator effects of long term water only fasting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we treat a lot of people with chronic syphalgia,
Speaker 4: chronic migraines. It's not just the fasting, but the fasting
Speaker 4: the diet. We'll use therapies like manipular therapy, physical therapy, exercise,
Speaker 4: and you know, large percentage of these people that we
Speaker 4: see and these are the chronic chronics, are able to
Speaker 4: get well. Thank goodness, because I mean, if you put
Speaker 4: people through the hell we put people through with diet
Speaker 4: change and exercise and having to fast, if you didn't
Speaker 4: get good results, I'm telling you they get in, alum
Speaker 4: in a baseball bat, they beat your head in.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you have a sense of humor about this,
Speaker 1: because we're making a challenge. Let's talk real briefly, and
Speaker 1: then I want to move on. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about another condition that is a mainstay of allopathic medicine,
Speaker 1: and this is hypertension. And high blood pressure is a
Speaker 1: a condition that people seem to get at all ages,
Speaker 1: but most likely most prominently in their fifties and sixties,
Speaker 1: and the medication for this is just deadly. Talk about
Speaker 1: the FAST and how to reduce hypertension.
Speaker 4: Well, hypertension is great because the drugs cause chronic coff,
Speaker 4: the tee impotence, and premature deaths. The drugs are so dangerous,
Speaker 4: in fact, they won't give them to you until your
Speaker 4: blood pressure is quite high. Yes, it seems to be
Speaker 4: so high that the risk of dying from the stroke
Speaker 4: is at reduction from blood pressure that its outweighs the
Speaker 4: increased death rate from taking the drugs. Fifty percent of
Speaker 4: people won't take the drugs because they don't like the
Speaker 4: chronic coff, the tea, infetits, and other side effects. The
Speaker 4: good news is, as I mentioned earlier, virtually everybody with
Speaker 4: essentral hypertension normalist is their blood pressure with FAST. So
Speaker 4: we've had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of patients and
Speaker 4: in fact we hade hundreds of patients who documented and
Speaker 4: research studies. Of the twenty five thousand people that we've threated,
Speaker 4: we've probably had close to ten thousand people with elevated
Speaker 4: blood pressure.
Speaker 1: So it's a high percentage of your patient.
Speaker 4: Sixty two percent of all of the population you have
Speaker 4: high bloo pressure by the time reach sixty right, okay,
Speaker 4: So and you know, a significan percent even as young
Speaker 4: as twenty five now significant percentage of people hypertension. So
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's ubiquitous because of the greasy, fatty,
Speaker 4: high salt diets. When you feed people, and essentially all
Speaker 4: of those people will normalize their blood pressure if they're
Speaker 4: willing to do the fast, and then if they're willing
Speaker 4: to stick on the diet, they can usually maintain it.
Speaker 4: In fact, you know they'll come in two twenty over
Speaker 4: one twenty capped on medications and still normalize their pressure
Speaker 4: eliminate the needs for drugs. It's unbelievably how consistent blood
Speaker 4: pressure is. It's just one of the most responsive conditions,
Speaker 4: and we've published the most papers on it. If you
Speaker 4: go to our website tunorthout dot com, you can see
Speaker 4: all of the papers we publish different studies, including prospective studies. Now,
Speaker 4: as I mentioned, we did a paper with our colleague
Speaker 4: at the Mail Clinic and they's been published in per
Speaker 4: view journals. There's no question it works. The problem is
Speaker 4: not everybody wants to take time off and fast. Not
Speaker 4: everybody wants to make diet lifestyle changes. It's just like
Speaker 4: if you go up to your people, you know their alcohol,
Speaker 4: and you say, hey, you know how your life sucks.
Speaker 4: It's because of the booze. They don't go, oh, it's
Speaker 4: the alcohol. I had no idea. Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: I just won't drink anymore. It's tell you to mind
Speaker 4: your own f and business because you know they don't
Speaker 4: want to hear it. And that's true with blood pressure.
Speaker 4: If you drop up to a patient with the high
Speaker 4: blood pressure and say, look, you can completely normalize your
Speaker 4: blood pressure, eliminate the medications and these side effects and
Speaker 4: just cut that completely out of your life, It's like, oh, great,
Speaker 4: what do I have to do? Well, you have to
Speaker 4: get enough rest, you have to do moderate exercise, and
Speaker 4: you have to eat a whole plant food sus free diet. No, no, no,
Speaker 4: I could never do that. Give up my boke and
Speaker 4: my coffee and my alcohol and my pot and my
Speaker 4: you know, processed foods and my No then no, no,
Speaker 4: it's not possi.
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Speaker 1: with my guest today, Alan gold Hammer, discussing his new book,
Speaker 1: Can Fasting Save Your Life?
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Speaker 1: My guest today is doctor Alan Goldhammer, the director of
Speaker 1: True North Health Clinic, and he's describing some of the
Speaker 1: techniques that they use for water fasting here in northern California.
Speaker 1: Talk real briefly, Alan about what you call refeeding, which
Speaker 1: is the beginning to eat food following along diet fast.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, this is critical, isn't it, Because if you
Speaker 1: start eating the crap that you were eating before, you're
Speaker 1: just going to throw the whole thing into reverse.
Speaker 4: Well, not only in reverse, can actually create what's called
Speaker 4: post fastening, a demo or even potentially fatal refeeding syndrome.
Speaker 1: Give us a sample of what you would suggest to
Speaker 1: somebody to say who just came off of two weeks.
Speaker 4: So two week fast. Just here's the general rules, and
Speaker 4: we talked about this in the book Can Fasten and
Speaker 4: Save Your Life as a whole. You know, it's all
Speaker 4: laid out, but it takes about one day of juice
Speaker 4: for every week of fasting, one day of raw food
Speaker 4: for every week of fasting, and one day of steam
Speaker 4: starts your food. So two week fast, we know it's
Speaker 4: going to take seven days to recover from that. The
Speaker 4: first day or two is going to be fresh vegetable
Speaker 4: based juices and broth. Then we're going to introduce raw
Speaker 4: fruit and vegetables. Then we're going to introduce some steam
Speaker 4: vegetables in addition to the raw for vegetables. Then we're
Speaker 4: going to introduce some starchy vegetables. So by the day seven,
Speaker 4: you're going to be an exclusively whole plant food ass
Speaker 4: free diet. And if you do that properly, you avoid
Speaker 4: all of the problems of twenty five thousand people. We've
Speaker 4: never had refeting syndrome.
Speaker 1: What is refeeding syndrome.
Speaker 4: Where electro white balance can become O you refinek into
Speaker 4: cardiac arrass and death. So your blood, your blood shirt
Speaker 4: look reft too quickly. They saw a lot of problems
Speaker 4: in World War two, and they elaborate bread people from
Speaker 4: the concentration camps and they try to build them up
Speaker 4: too quickly, and then they end up killing some people
Speaker 4: and creating problems. So you have to kind of come
Speaker 4: off of it slowly and get really sick otherwise.
Speaker 1: Mm.
Speaker 4: So that's why we advocate when you're going to fast,
Speaker 4: you got to do it right or you end up
Speaker 4: with a mess. The horror stories you hear are always
Speaker 4: people that just maybe didn't understand, you know, the principles
Speaker 4: are fasting. That's why we wrote this book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great, and that's a very big key. And
Speaker 1: I've always been taught that the returning to the food
Speaker 1: is just as important as the fact more important.
Speaker 4: I think that's the key. That's where people make the
Speaker 4: mistakes really fast. Okay, it's they oh, if they're gonna
Speaker 4: screw it up, it's they screwed up with the refeeding.
Speaker 1: Because you can reintroduce the wrong foods too soon and just.
Speaker 4: Be and you know, people are coming off of fast
Speaker 4: and the brain is saying, hey, let's get to it,
Speaker 4: you know, let's go the other way and the people
Speaker 4: that have the most trouble, the very people that have
Speaker 4: the most trouble giving up those foods anyway, because their addicts.
Speaker 4: To begin with, people don't like to think of themselves
Speaker 4: as addictive, but they are. They're addicted to the artificial
Speaker 4: stimulation of doping in their brain from the chemicals. Whether
Speaker 4: it's alcohol, cocaine, methamphetamines, or salt, oil and sugar. They
Speaker 4: all work on the same pathways. Now, granted, you know
Speaker 4: there are also a lot of these are white powders
Speaker 4: to you notice that, like cocaine, like sugar, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of these salt. You know, a lot of these
Speaker 4: white powders. You got to watch out for white powders.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Talk briefly about uh emeo uh compromise people people who
Speaker 1: have immunity problems. I read a little bit of your
Speaker 1: book at fasting is just a huge benefit to kickstart
Speaker 1: the humanity Tuckay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's really remarkable. A lot of people that we
Speaker 4: come in and have suppressed immune responses, usually from the
Speaker 4: medications given to treat autoimmune diseases, or they have HIV
Speaker 4: and they've been on you know, disease modifying medications, and
Speaker 4: these patients often do dramatically better. You'll see objective changes
Speaker 4: in their white counts in their acute phase, erectro proteins
Speaker 4: go down. There's a lot of research that we've cited
Speaker 4: and we're doing now to objectify objectively the change that
Speaker 4: occur with fasting there, and it is really quite impressive.
Speaker 4: And that's why what's happened now is Falter Longo did
Speaker 4: some intertween research. They had rats that they had induced cancer,
Speaker 4: and so these are genetically bred rats two separate groups.
Speaker 4: With the first group, they would give them enough chemotherapy
Speaker 4: to kill all the cancer cells, but unfortunately all the
Speaker 4: rats would die from poisoning from the chemotherapy. It's right,
Speaker 4: therapy is pretty poisonous, but you have to kill all
Speaker 4: the cancer cells that it comes back. So then they
Speaker 4: took the same rats with the same cancer and the
Speaker 4: same chemotherapy, but the faster the rats before and after treatment,
Speaker 4: all thirty routes survive dramatically, enhancing cancer free survival. And
Speaker 4: the reason is of something called differential stress sensitization and
Speaker 4: differential stress sensitivity. It turns out in the fasting state,
Speaker 4: cancer cells have a biological disadvantage. Cancer cells have higher
Speaker 4: metabolic rates. They don't do well in a ketogenic environment.
Speaker 4: In a fat based environment, their primary philosophy glucose, so
Speaker 4: when you put them in a fat based environment, they
Speaker 4: have a selective disadvantage. But the human cells and the
Speaker 4: immune cells have an advantage because fastenings a biological adaptation.
Speaker 4: They do fine in the suppressed in the low glucose state,
Speaker 4: they do fine in the high ketone state, and so
Speaker 4: it gives them a chance for the chemotherapy to be
Speaker 4: more effective. It also protects the healthy cells from the
Speaker 4: damaging effects of chemotherapy. And so as soon as Walter
Speaker 4: Longo published that paper, the pharmaceutical companies went, oh wait
Speaker 4: a second, fasting is doing something to the body to
Speaker 4: make our therapy work better. Fasting transformed from being criminal
Speaker 4: quack to cutting edge research, and now they're desperately trying
Speaker 4: to come up with what we're called fasting mimicking drugs.
Speaker 4: So they want drugs that will do to the body
Speaker 4: what fasting does, but without that nasty fasting, and in
Speaker 4: a form that they can sell. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 4: been great because now that all this research going on,
Speaker 4: how is the fasting doing that so that they can
Speaker 4: reproduce it and sell you a drug to do it
Speaker 4: better and make more money.
Speaker 1: That shows the pharmaceutical companies are running the show there.
Speaker 4: The pharmaceutical companies are doing better than ever before if
Speaker 4: you look at like just who's making the most money.
Speaker 4: And again they've got this model. Now, don't give you
Speaker 4: antibiotics for ten days and then you're better. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: You do this drug and you'll be on misdrunic the
Speaker 4: rest of your life. You can't stop it ever.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's terrible, Alan, I want to do it.
Speaker 1: For instance, you've been your doctors and you've been complaining
Speaker 1: about a sore hip no excuse me, a sore stomach,
Speaker 1: and the doctor is just giving you the news that
Speaker 1: you have stage two cancer. What would you do?
Speaker 4: Well, there's two things you do. First of all, you
Speaker 4: get properly worked up. You go to the latest, greatest
Speaker 4: oncologists and you ask them in a very important question,
Speaker 4: are there any therapies like ammuno therapies or whatever that
Speaker 4: are appropriate for me? And can you share them with
Speaker 4: me any information that if I do those therapies I
Speaker 4: might live longer or better. So that's number one. Okay,
Speaker 4: so you're all worked up, you have good evaluation, You
Speaker 4: look at your medical options, and then in addition, you say,
Speaker 4: what do I have to do to get healthier? Boost
Speaker 4: my immune system in order to ad to give the
Speaker 4: body a chance to fight off the situation.
Speaker 1: Well, the outpath's not going to be able to tell
Speaker 1: you that.
Speaker 4: No, No, you're going to go to a different kind
Speaker 4: of doctor.
Speaker 1: Okay, go to a Chinese medical doctor.
Speaker 4: If you come to the that are, you go to
Speaker 4: one of our telemedicine doctors and will help you evaluate.
Speaker 4: And we have some medical doctors that are unique because
Speaker 4: they're not idiots. I know that's hard to believe. Nobody
Speaker 4: ever believes those people exist, but they're like unicorns. And
Speaker 4: so or you go to lifestyle medicine doctors. The doctors
Speaker 4: out now they're interested in trying to help you get healthy.
Speaker 4: And so then you're gonna look at diets, sleep and
Speaker 4: exercise and then see whether or not maybe fasting might
Speaker 4: help speed the process up. So you look at your
Speaker 4: medical options, you get fully informed. Some forms of cancer,
Speaker 4: for example, there are like immunotherapy options that are maybe
Speaker 4: helpful and people might live longer and better if they
Speaker 4: do it than if they don't. There's other types of
Speaker 4: cancer that it's hard to find medical evidence that people
Speaker 4: are living longer better a lot of the more common cancers.
Speaker 4: And you can read The Emperor of All Maladies by Mukaraji,
Speaker 4: who got the Poetzer Prize for his book on the
Speaker 4: history of cancer and its treatment and you know, and
Speaker 4: he goes through and talks about, you know, medical treatment
Speaker 4: and the limitations and do people live longer or not?
Speaker 4: And it's sometimes a little shocking and disappointing to find
Speaker 4: out how in effect of many of these very aggressive
Speaker 4: and expensive and devastating treatments are. But that's the basic
Speaker 4: model is first find out is there any medical treatment
Speaker 4: that actually is shown to be helpful, See whether that's relevant,
Speaker 4: See what you can do with diet and lifestyle change,
Speaker 4: and then consider whether fasting might have some utility for you.
Speaker 1: I would think fasting would be just a way to
Speaker 1: reorganize the physiology of the body which is fighting the cancer.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a problem.
Speaker 4: Because fasting is a way to reorganize the physiology of
Speaker 4: the body and help improve the it's just when it's
Speaker 4: fighting the cancer. Yeah, but it's important for us that
Speaker 4: people be worked out first, though, because then we can
Speaker 4: take full credit when they get resolution. If these patients
Speaker 4: that we couldn't publish these case reports, if we didn't
Speaker 4: have good objective baselines, and then when they get well,
Speaker 4: we can rub their success in their our college's face,
Speaker 4: which is the fun part.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I have a lot of friends that
Speaker 1: are all a pass and my grandfather was an alopathic doctor.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the new I don't want
Speaker 1: to say byproduct, but it's called functional medicine where they're
Speaker 1: actually I have doc friends that are actually taking credentials
Speaker 1: to add this to their practice, and I think there's
Speaker 1: some positive space.
Speaker 4: In fact, I just came from doing the continuing ed
Speaker 4: seminar I contribu so you did in Los Angeles to
Speaker 4: the lastile Medicine. They had, you know, one hundred of
Speaker 4: the plantation group. They have hundreds of doctors. I've spoken
Speaker 4: to many of these conferences and I'm usually the odd
Speaker 4: person out because I'm not a medical doctor and they're
Speaker 4: virtually all medical doctors. But as a chiropractor, you know,
Speaker 4: it's always fine going in and pissing everybody off, you know,
Speaker 4: just having the wrong credentials, in the wrong background, on
Speaker 4: the wrong training, and saying the wrong things. But the
Speaker 4: reality is this is what works. Diet, sleep, exercise, and fasting.
Speaker 4: That's what actually works. And the lifestyle medicine doctors understand that,
Speaker 4: and they're trying to implement in their practice. But they
Speaker 4: tell me their biggest frustration is it's hard to find
Speaker 4: patients willing to make those lifestyle changes. It's like asking
Speaker 4: a person to quit smoking. People don't want to quit smoking.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a different animal.
Speaker 4: They don't want to quit drinking, and they and they
Speaker 4: certainly don't want to give up all their highly processed foes,
Speaker 4: their addicts, and they don't want to give it up.
Speaker 1: Even with a really detrimental diagnosis.
Speaker 4: Well, do you think smokers don't know that they're going
Speaker 4: to start coughing up chunks their lung at some point? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Are they shocked? Oh my god, it's not good for me.
Speaker 4: I thought it was good to call my nerves, which
Speaker 4: is what their medical doctor might have started, you know,
Speaker 4: told them when they first started smoking forty years ago. No,
Speaker 4: they know it's not good for him. Drinking, You think
Speaker 4: most drunks are thinking, oh, I'm taking it for the
Speaker 4: big wirenment. You know, it's like, you know, no, they
Speaker 4: know it's not good for him. And do you think
Speaker 4: people munching down on that greasy, fatty, slimy process food
Speaker 4: don't think that they're probably not doing themselves any favor.
Speaker 4: I think they know, but it's hard to quit when
Speaker 4: you're an ad.
Speaker 1: Itt Well, Tolly, you didn't answer my question. You talked
Speaker 1: about other types of medicine, but are you familiar with
Speaker 1: this new credential that only alapas can get called functional medicine.
Speaker 4: Well, the functional medicine is really displacing highly toxic allopathic
Speaker 4: drugs for pills, potions, and powders of another color. Mostly.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, So I really advocate the plantition people the
Speaker 4: lifestyle medicine because they're focusing on that and lifstyle functional
Speaker 4: meta doctors are doing. You know, here's the thing. Something
Speaker 4: that's way less bad doesn't mean it's good.
Speaker 1: So you're saying, and I haven't looked at it as
Speaker 1: closely as you have. They're still advocating drugs.
Speaker 4: It's mostly still seeing things from a deficiency model, which pill,
Speaker 4: potion or powers.
Speaker 1: Oh, they're not looking at the holistic views.
Speaker 4: Have some functional messad doctors do a great job. You're
Speaker 4: including diet lifestyle issue and there are okay, so, but
Speaker 4: functional medicine and lifestyle medicine are different. Lifestyle is changing
Speaker 4: the lifestyle, Functional is changing the chemistry using less toxic substances.
Speaker 4: That's my gross oversimplication, oversimplification. I'm sure i'll get some
Speaker 4: nasty letters from functional messa doctors say oh no, we're
Speaker 4: we're doing much more than just that.
Speaker 1: But well, it's funny because you said you were down
Speaker 1: in LA with lifetocks. What's the metaline doctors?
Speaker 4: The ones that invite me are usually the lifestyle medicine
Speaker 4: doctors that are advocating diet and lifestyle change. Functional medicine
Speaker 4: doctors are usually the ones that will be You'll have
Speaker 4: definitely bland there who says, you know, don't do fasting
Speaker 4: because it's too dangerous unless you take their proprietary products.
Speaker 4: You know, then it's okay. So I'll tell you how
Speaker 4: I think. I evaluate other scientists' intelligence based on how
Speaker 4: much they agree with me. So when Walter Longo published
Speaker 4: his book and said don't do long turn and fasting
Speaker 4: unless you do it at the Tune North Health Center,
Speaker 4: I said, hey, This guy's a genius. You know, so.
Speaker 1: Funny, so funny. The book's called Ken Fasting You Save
Speaker 1: Your Life. My guest today has been doctor Allan Goldhammer.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you what is a supervised fast?
Speaker 1: Give us the overview when somebody wants to look at
Speaker 1: what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Sure, so a supervised fast, whether you're doing it at
Speaker 4: home or at the Tuneuth Health Center, a doctor will
Speaker 4: review your history, examine lab to make sure you're a
Speaker 4: good candidate for fasting. There's no country indication to help you.
Speaker 4: Wean off mat it's all that stuff. And then at
Speaker 4: this tune North Health Center or at home, there's going
Speaker 4: to be at the Turn of Thought Center, our doctor
Speaker 4: see patients twice a day. We collect vitals, we answer
Speaker 4: their questions, make sure they're doing okay, do appropriate lab testing,
Speaker 4: blend and urine testing, and then we provide We call
Speaker 4: it education. It's actually kind of brainwashing. But it's classes
Speaker 4: and videos and all kinds of stuff so that when
Speaker 4: people go home they have the skill sets needed to
Speaker 4: be successful. But even if a person's fasting at home,
Speaker 4: we offer live streaming of all of our classes. I
Speaker 4: wonder if people can freely see they don't need to
Speaker 4: pay anything. They just go to our website. Anybody that
Speaker 4: wants to watch our classes can do that. We have
Speaker 4: a Roku channel with a lot of video that's all free.
Speaker 4: They can watch the video. So even if they're doing
Speaker 4: at home, they can still get the education just by
Speaker 4: going through our website. But they still need to have
Speaker 4: and then our doctors will provide remote support to them
Speaker 4: if they're doing it at home or obviously if they're
Speaker 4: the center, we're able to hold their hand go through
Speaker 4: the reefeeding process carefully. There's also companies like Whole Harvest
Speaker 4: Now that are out there making SOS free foods available
Speaker 4: that they can deliver for people that haven't moved up
Speaker 4: to learning curve on the food. There's also well your World,
Speaker 4: there's leaf Side, so there's a number of companies offering
Speaker 4: SOS free options now, which is great. So we're I
Speaker 4: just want to mention no to your listeners. We offer
Speaker 4: a free service that they might be interested in. If
Speaker 4: they go to our website at tuneoorthhealth dot com and
Speaker 4: fill out their registration forms, I will review their medical
Speaker 4: history and offer them a phone conversation for free.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, watch out they're.
Speaker 4: A candidate for fasting, point them in the direction maybe
Speaker 4: of a doctor that might be able to help them.
Speaker 4: There's no cost for that, and I would be happy
Speaker 4: to talk to them if they go to the website
Speaker 4: and fill out the forums first, because it allows me
Speaker 4: to efficiently review their medical history, make sure that they
Speaker 4: don't do something stupid, and you know, maybe they need
Speaker 4: to do a modified version of it or something. We
Speaker 4: can certainly give them that advice. If they are at
Speaker 4: the candidate, I can either hook them up with a
Speaker 4: telemedicine person or try to refer them to somebody that
Speaker 4: might be helpful to them closer to where they are,
Speaker 4: or if they decide they want to come to the center,
Speaker 4: that's fine. We're happy to lock them up. But you know,
Speaker 4: that service is nice because they can at least get
Speaker 4: their fundamental questions answered. Obviously, I would like them if
Speaker 4: they can read our book Can Fast and Save Your Life.
Speaker 4: That's a great thing. It has a lot of information
Speaker 4: in there. But at least they have a way to
Speaker 4: get up their personal questions answered where an email. They
Speaker 4: can email me as well. I'm happy to you know,
Speaker 4: I try to answer all those emails in a timely manner.
Speaker 1: I think you're very very generous alan to take all
Speaker 1: the oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my pleasure. That's what I do, though, is try
Speaker 4: to provide the generalification. I do this kind of these
Speaker 4: podcasts and this kind of stuff. That's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for that. That's fantastic. Finally, who did
Speaker 1: you write the book for? I mean, was it kind
Speaker 1: of just your history because you have forty years behind
Speaker 1: this clinic? But who did the book?
Speaker 4: Who is the target? Was the person that was thinking
Speaker 4: about they want to know about fast and should they
Speaker 4: fast and how would they do that right? And also
Speaker 4: their doctor because if they go to their doctor and
Speaker 4: say I want to do it fast, many of the
Speaker 4: doctors would say, well, you're just crazy. We're gonna you know,
Speaker 4: it's ridiculous. But if they read this book it's so
Speaker 4: based well, as you saw, it's really based on the
Speaker 4: twenty two papers we published in the periity literature, most
Speaker 4: doctors will think, oh, maybe this isn't actually crazy. There
Speaker 4: looks like there might be something to it. Okay, if
Speaker 4: you're going to do it, here's the parameters we need
Speaker 4: to make sure you do it safely. Okay. So it
Speaker 4: was written for the patient but also for their doctor
Speaker 4: so that if somebody was going to because white problems.
Speaker 4: I get calls from people, well intentioned people that are
Speaker 4: trying to do fasting and they totally f it up,
Speaker 4: and so they create a mass unnecessarily and it just
Speaker 4: sometimes they didn't understand they had to rest when they're faster.
Speaker 4: They can't be driving to work, there can't be can't
Speaker 4: do so they can't take the igroprof and there's a
Speaker 4: different way to deal with it. And so we wanted
Speaker 4: to make sure those people that were trying to do
Speaker 4: the right thing, but you know, we're having serious problems,
Speaker 4: and that fasting didn't get made to look bad even
Speaker 4: when it isn't bad, it's a good thing. And also
Speaker 4: so that physicians would be able to see it. And
Speaker 4: what we found is many doctors once they see somebody
Speaker 4: get well, sometimes it's the only time in their practice
Speaker 4: they've ever seen anybody get well, and then they get
Speaker 4: all enthused about it, and many of them actually come
Speaker 4: in as patients and they do it fast at the center.
Speaker 4: And now we've added people to our base physicians that
Speaker 4: are now enthusiastic supporters because they've seen, oh, people can
Speaker 4: get well with that. I just saw a cardiologist who
Speaker 4: told me the biggest frustration he's had is he has
Speaker 4: trouble getting people to do the diet and lifestyle change. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he knows it works, he does in himself, but even
Speaker 4: with his patients that are looking at bypasses, it's still
Speaker 4: so hard to beat addiction, you know, and you know
Speaker 4: they know. It's hard to get him quit smoking, it's
Speaker 4: hard to get him quit drinking, and it's hard to
Speaker 4: get him to make diet lifestyle changes. It's just statistically
Speaker 4: less likely to make diet mustyle genus than it is
Speaker 4: to quit.
Speaker 1: Hero Yeah, I really wish that the dominant health modality,
Speaker 1: which is allopathic medicine, would begin incorporating a little more
Speaker 1: of these alternative I won't even call it alternative, fundamental
Speaker 1: health traditions like fasting in their PA.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it is. The lifestyle medicine is an
Speaker 4: example of thousands of dogtars.
Speaker 1: But that's a minor portion.
Speaker 4: But there's fifteen hundred. I mean that conference between the
Speaker 4: live and the remote is I think fifteen hundred doctors.
Speaker 4: So I mean, granted that's there's sixty eight, you know, hour.
Speaker 1: Mean all California docs.
Speaker 4: No no, these are all across the nation.
Speaker 1: Spoke in Florida.
Speaker 4: I spoken if this happened to be California. But remember
Speaker 4: it's broadcast and it's broadcast all over the world. So
Speaker 4: I mean they have, however, many hundred doctors they have
Speaker 4: at the events, but it's there's thousands of people watching
Speaker 4: it remotely. You know, I did a show with Rich
Speaker 4: Roll has four point five million views. I mean, you
Speaker 4: realize how many people four point five It's enough that
Speaker 4: I was walking down the street in Las Vegas, just
Speaker 4: minding my own business on the street, and some guy
Speaker 4: came up to me and goes, oh, I know you.
Speaker 4: You're doctor Calipus. That's what you remember because I called
Speaker 4: milk Calapus or something.
Speaker 1: Even God, it's so funny.
Speaker 4: So it's interesting. If I go in Costco now, people
Speaker 4: come over, they want to take photos of the cart
Speaker 4: and stuff. You know, they've got questions. That's interesting, and
Speaker 4: so that would never have happened in the old days.
Speaker 4: I always speak to, you know, fifty people, five hundred people,
Speaker 4: whatever it is, speak to millions of people like you
Speaker 4: probably have tens of thousands of people that watch your podcast.
Speaker 4: If I were to go do live lectures. It would
Speaker 4: take me four hundred and fifty years to reach as
Speaker 4: many people as we'll reach with this show today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, social media is great.
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable. It's unbelivable. How can there be thousands and
Speaker 4: thousands and thousands of people that you can you can reach,
Speaker 4: you know, without having to like fly across the country.
Speaker 4: And it's a big This is such a miracle. I
Speaker 4: can't even imagine it.
Speaker 1: And it's fantastic. As we continue, as we close, I
Speaker 1: should say, Alan, let's give us to the contact, give
Speaker 1: us your website and all the other details.
Speaker 4: Of so the website's real simple, it's true North Health
Speaker 4: dot com. Okay, And if you go to the website,
Speaker 4: you get everything you need, phone numbers, direct contact to me,
Speaker 4: websites you can do the registration.
Speaker 1: Is there a wedding list for the clinic.
Speaker 4: There is a little waitlist on the clinic, but it's
Speaker 4: not terribly We have a big clinic.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: We have eighty two patient beds, oh, eighty two beds
Speaker 4: beds for patients. We have about twenty for staff. So
Speaker 4: we had we had a fifteen hundred admissions a year,
Speaker 4: and you know, there's only so many people that are
Speaker 4: willing to fast and make lifestyle changes. It's not like
Speaker 4: everybody out there wants to do it. It's a small percentage
Speaker 4: of the you know, I find the biggest motivator is
Speaker 4: pained ability and fear of death. So people that are
Speaker 4: really suffering, they're their best patience because they'll do anything.
Speaker 4: They'll even change their diet and lifestyle. You may. The
Speaker 4: other group is the healthy people that do it premitively
Speaker 4: to stay well. And we've actually shown in a study
Speaker 4: we published recently that the cardio metabolic changes in healthy
Speaker 4: people actually are even bigger than sick people. The people
Speaker 4: that make it the most benefit of fasting are the
Speaker 4: healthy people that do you know, relatively short periods of
Speaker 4: fast and preventively, rather than even just the sick people
Speaker 4: who obviously get benefit that the healthy people may really
Speaker 4: be where the best long term changes are going to
Speaker 4: turn out to be.
Speaker 1: Wow, fantastic, Hey, my success in this new book it
Speaker 1: just came out, Can Fast Save Your Life? I think
Speaker 1: what just came out this week?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's yeah, a few weeks ago it was
Speaker 4: released and so it's brand new there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, much successed about it. Yeah, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: It's a good Bremmer and I hope that more people
Speaker 1: hear about it. Hey, Alan, I really appreciate your time.
Speaker 4: Thank you, absolutely, it's nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not so sure on one hundred percent
Speaker 1: water fast because that's really kind of brutal. I ease
Speaker 1: into it with, you know, a cup of coffee on
Speaker 1: the first Monday, So the night before I'm doing a
Speaker 1: elongated fast, I will stop eating at like six o'clock
Speaker 1: on a Sunday, and then I'll make coffee. I drink
Speaker 1: decaf ground roast decaf, uh, and then I'll have a
Speaker 1: cup of coffee. On Monday. I'll have another cup of
Speaker 1: coffee coffee in the afternoon, and then tea and water
Speaker 1: for the evening. And that kind of sets the tone.
Speaker 1: And I really worked hard to to schedule my week
Speaker 1: with less stress, and that means taking less meetings. You know.
Speaker 1: I do research for all my interviews, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be reading the book and coming up with notations and
Speaker 1: questions and so forth. So that's that. Can't I can't
Speaker 1: stop that, but I try to reduce my travel. I
Speaker 1: try to give myself time to get out in the
Speaker 1: air during the day. And if I do that and
Speaker 1: I'm not too stressed up, and I go to bed
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, I find that the fasts are
Speaker 1: easier to do and you can stretch them out. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're into the second day. Your days
Speaker 1: gone on the second day, you got your third day,
Speaker 1: and after the For me, the third day is where
Speaker 1: the body is releasing toxins and junk into the system,
Speaker 1: and that's where you can feel a little weak and uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: But it's minor. It's really really minor. Now, if if
Speaker 1: you have a major disease process, if you're dealing with
Speaker 1: a diagnosis of cancer or MS, or rheumatoid arthritis or diabetes,
Speaker 1: you've allowed your body you haven't been paying attention to
Speaker 1: your signals. The body's been telling you've probably for years
Speaker 1: that you've got a problem, and you haven't been paying attention.
Speaker 1: You have to be careful about those kinds of fast
Speaker 1: because you can release a lot of poison and really
Speaker 1: shut your body down, and you don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: So if you've been diagnosed with an illness, first of all,
Speaker 1: go to doctor Goldhammer's website and see what the recommendations are.
Speaker 1: For somebody in your area, and maybe start off with
Speaker 1: a twenty four hour fast and then move on to
Speaker 1: a two day and so forth every other month or
Speaker 1: every second month or whatever. But you know what, it's
Speaker 1: not just fasting. You've got to think about your diet.
Speaker 1: No more deep fried food, no more alcohol, and God
Speaker 1: forbid you smoke, because if you're smoking, you're really making
Speaker 1: a mess of things. So anyhow, everybody's different. Ticket, slow ticket,
Speaker 1: one day at a time, and I guarantee you you'll
Speaker 1: feel so rejuvenated. It's really a rejuvenating technique, just fantastic
Speaker 1: for rehelping regain your health. So again, the books available
Speaker 1: on Amazon, it's called Can Fasting Save Your Life? Is
Speaker 1: a little bit clinical. I mean he gets into the
Speaker 1: prop the positives of it. But you know, it's a starter.
Speaker 1: It's not a very expensive book. You know, you can
Speaker 1: start with that and then go and find other books.
Speaker 1: Bernard Jensen is a good one. Paul Bragg on fasting.
Speaker 1: Bernard Jensen is one that I followed. He's been around.
Speaker 1: He passed away god twenty years ago, if not more.
Speaker 1: And then you might, you know, do a search for
Speaker 1: doing a two day fast or four day fast now
Speaker 1: I highly recommend doctor Jason fung Fu and g. He
Speaker 1: wrote a book a couple of years ago called The
Speaker 1: Complete Guide to Fasting, and he describes how to do
Speaker 1: a short fast couple of days, and how to also
Speaker 1: do an extended fast. And he has been around for
Speaker 1: a while. You can see his videos on YouTube. They're
Speaker 1: all free, and he is an expert. And he is
Speaker 1: somebody who has helped people with type two diabetes and
Speaker 1: help them reverse it. And it's funny how the body
Speaker 1: will correct itself from these degenerative types of diseases like diabetes,
Speaker 1: chronic fatigue, arthritis, even certain types of cancer. When you
Speaker 1: do a fast, now you just don't do the fast
Speaker 1: and go back to eating your regular food. You got
Speaker 1: to really keep an eye on your diet. You had
Speaker 1: to eliminate fatty foods, foods that are deep fried, and alcohol.
Speaker 1: If you're if you have a chronic illness, you can
Speaker 1: just need to eliminate them if you're serious about getting well.
Speaker 1: If you're not serious and you're you have a problem
Speaker 1: with addictions in your you know, obese, then you got
Speaker 1: to start somewhere and start eliminating the problem areas of
Speaker 1: you know, over eating fried food, alcohol, cigarettes, so forth
Speaker 1: and so on, or else you're gonna die young. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of people do in America. People pass
Speaker 1: away in their fifties and the sixties. But you need
Speaker 1: to consider feeling well and being well and fasting this
Speaker 1: one area again. Check check out Jason Fong. All these
Speaker 1: books I'm mentioning you can see on Amazon, or you
Speaker 1: can go to Jason Fong j A s O N
Speaker 1: f U n G. He's an MD. He's in Canada,
Speaker 1: The Complete Guide to Fasting two Days to one week
Speaker 1: and longer. I think he's got a forty day fast
Speaker 1: in there, and that's I can't imagine. I'd have to
Speaker 1: go on a retreat. And you know that's why Alan
Speaker 1: Goldhammer's retreat, the True North Health Clinic in northern California
Speaker 1: is a place you go for two weeks supervised, and
Speaker 1: then you break your fast, you start refeeding. So anyhow,
Speaker 1: I am fascinated with fasting. I plan to live to
Speaker 1: be one hundred plus. My mother right now is ninety four.
Speaker 1: She's slowed down quite a bit. She hasn't really ever fasted.
Speaker 1: She's taken really good care of her health though, but
Speaker 1: she's got issues everyone. You get into your nineties, you're
Speaker 1: going to have issues, but hey, you want to live
Speaker 1: as long and as comfortably and as healthily as you can.
Speaker 1: So I hope you enjoyed that program. Okay, that's it
Speaker 1: for this program, and I think my guest today, Alan Goldhammer,
Speaker 1: coming to us from True North Health Clinic in Santa Rosa, California.
Speaker 1: And there's always a team of Guilt tour Mark Foster
Speaker 1: and everyone who makes this thing happen. I really appreciate
Speaker 1: your help. All right, take care and be well, and
Speaker 1: we will talk to you next time.