Speaker 1: Hello, ladies, gentlemen, and welcome to the first episode of
our four episode series, The GV ten Year Retrospectives. I
am the Dirty Hard Drive tras. Now I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am that day review fucking interns. Man never know
when to speak. I am the waiter in training.
Speaker 3: No less, I am the computer virus state of Field.
Speaker 1: Yes, ladies, Jones. So what we're doing for the next
four to five weeks, there's a little break in between
for the candidate Halliday when you're listening to but for
the over the next month or so, you're going to
be getting a retrospector that each of us have chosen.
As far as just to celebrate ten year, you know,
we take requests. We do one time for series, thought,
oh let's do something fun. It's ten years. It's all
picked some and we're going to watch on the coming weeks.
We got Wrong Turned dead End Taylor's pick, we got
the Big Lebowski, Del Mussa's pick, we got The Game,
Kirklan's pick, but today we got my pick. Twenty eleven's
the directors or from a director Steve mc queen shame.
I mentioned this on the cast. We talked about it
there's a multitude of reasons why I picked it. Because
Tya did ask he's he's saying, He's like, oh, I
feel like these retros say something about us all, and
I will talk about what it says about me, but
I'm gonna let these gentlemen go first. But I will
say it definitely was primarily picked because if people are
newer listeners who are only run in the first half
because geek first. I guess it's still started four years
after the movie came out, but I can't remember how
became like a little meme for a while and shame
would always come up, but never had a reason to
watch anything like that. So I had to take the
opportunity of Okay, we've talked about it. Muned about it,
I think meaned about just Michael Fastbender being nakeing stuff.
I have a big man crushed on Fastbender. He's fantastic.
Even watching this, I'm taking back to twenty eleven. So
I'll start with you, Taylor, because I was the most curious.
I said to Emily, I'm like, Mahn, Taylor had to
watch this movie, and I feel like, luckily now, I
feel like since the podcast started, you've watched a lot
of weird stuff. But I feel like I could not
have pictured you back in twenty fifteen watching it anything
remotely close to this. And uh, I me asure you
watched it alone, right, you didn't put that mass and
through uh this ordeal.
Speaker 3: I watched it alone. She she messed around with me
because well she watched the back She watched the back half.
Speaker 4: Of this movie.
Speaker 3: I should say, but when I'm not the start of
the back halp, because when we were driving the other
day and I was like, oh, you've never yeah, you
never seen this movie before, right, so I know I
watched it before. Like what, she was just fucking with me.
Speaker 4: She didn't watch it. She didn't watch it.
Speaker 3: But anyways, another life ago, me.
Speaker 1: And my last boyfriend reenacted all those scenes.
Speaker 4: He was the back christ.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is not a movie I would have
been rushing to go watch back in the day. It's just, yeah,
do I like this movie?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Not really?
Speaker 3: It just it to sum it up, it feels like,
you know, you're you're singing guy, you feel like shit,
and you you beat one off and you feel like
shit afterwards.
Speaker 4: You know that sounds up this movie. So I just, yeah,
I know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's some moments in here where I chuckled, But at
the end of the day, I really felt like it was.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it didn't didn't do anything.
Speaker 3: I had to go online and see, like, why are
people raving about this? Like oh, the camera work and
certain other things this and that, this and that. I'm like,
people are really raving about.
Speaker 4: This these things in this movie. It's just going over.
Speaker 3: My head because I just I think, what the fuck,
Like you can get better camera work angles and stuff
and other movies.
Speaker 4: And like the guy just wanders off.
Speaker 3: The street into a club and you know, buddy just
starts going ham on him and like, okay, like I guess,
let's just okay, Well geez, Like I don't know, it's
just there. I didn't feel like there's really much of
a story. It's just a guy feeling like shit.
Speaker 5: And that was it.
Speaker 4: Like but just sex in there.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to if you want to
watch sex, just watch porn. You know, this story might
be a bit better.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the wow okay, and I just
wait till I get the wrong turn. My friend I
jumped to that series.
Speaker 2: I'm worried for when we get to Big Lebowski, just
a guy doing nothing is like that whole movie. I'm
worried for what you're gonna think of the plot of
that one.
Speaker 1: Not that it will change because you like it, just
like that's all right, But do you do you know, like,
do you understand what the character's arc is? Like I don't.
Do you understand how.
Speaker 4: How they's a sex addict?
Speaker 1: Right? No, that's that's about then yes, you want to
correct what Why do you think the character comes to
a realization by the end of this movie?
Speaker 4: Oh, he's alone?
Speaker 1: Okay, kind of but there there's some there, so we'll wait.
But there there's I feel like he's he knows he's
alone to begin But okay, Taylor, not a fan, not surprised.
I'm glad you've now watched it. So, uh, where are you,
mister muss On? Michael Fastpender's shame.
Speaker 2: Fast Meader's shame. Yeah, I yeah, it's it's funny. Recently,
I was listening back to our top ten movie ranking
that we did in year one, and of course this
came up on your list at that point in time,
which is I don't know if that was the first
time I came up on the podcast. I think it
was because I think we were all like, what, what
movie is this when you were describing it. But yeah,
obviously it has been one that's kind of building up
the hype for it over the years, and I don't
know why I haven't actually gone to watch it sooner
than this, because I very much trust your opinions on movies,
like usually, you know if I'm gonna like something or
I like a lot of the movies that you like.
It's a good movie. I think it's solid. I think
I maybe had my expectations perhaps a bit too high.
I think there's some points where there's a few scenes
that just didn't really affect me in any way, and
I think that they were supposed to. Like I'm wondering.
I guess, well, I don't want to spoil your thoughts, Travis,
but I'm wondering if this hits differently on a different
on a second watch, that kind of thing. I think
some sequences are really good. I really like the ending.
I think that's really well done. I found that this
this movie's not very funny. It's not trying to be,
but the moments where it is doing funny stuff, I
found really funny. So I think that like it somehow,
even though I wasn't trying to do that, just like
really nailed some of the comedy stuff, like the waiter scene.
I fucking love that secret. That is like one of
the funniest scenes ever. But there's still a lot of
other stuff going on there. So yeah, I think it's
I think it's a good story. There's some really good
character stuff going on there. But yeah, I think I
think I was not even disappointed. I just think it's, like, yeah,
this is a solid movie. But I guess I was
maybe expecting a touch more than when I got here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably should have talked about for ten years,
you know, kind of.
Speaker 2: I probably should have watched it ten years ago. It's
waiting ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister Pats you how about me?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was an interesting one, obviously much lee anticipated.
I I like thought I knew what I was getting into,
but I definitely didn't I could watch it, no, okay,
I watched it in this room. I didn't even watch
it in my my full screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I can definitely appreciate like the crafts ship in this film,
and I feel like it is a different way of
storytelling than like other films I've seen in the past.
So for that reason, it's like a breath of fresh
air of it just doesn't follow like a common formula.
I think I was expecting like fucking aliens to come in.
At some point, I'm like, Okay, when are we gonna
be getting into the meat and potatoes? And then I
see there's like twenty minutes left. I'm like, oh wow,
that was the advantage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 5: There's just a montage at the end that's the real
bangers and mash.
Speaker 1: But that's your reward for making it through in the
Life of Brandon, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean Fastbender's fantastic. It's not a feel good movie.
I think Dylan nailed it with like it's not trying
to be funny, but like the scenes where it does
have humor, I think it really works. And the reason
why is because it's not like a comedy. I feel
like I'm like uneasy watching this, and then stuff like
that will happen. I'm like, oh, thank god, Okay, there's
there's some realism. Maybe that's the wrong word. Some just
like pull back into like reality of like there is
like just a regular world in this world of just
just a sex addict. Definitely like similar feelings to I
don't think as extreme, but like how I felt watching
Uncut Gems, where like our character just does things were
like oh, man, like I want to root for this
guy and like like think that he'll make the right choice,
but it just doesn't go that way. And then yeah,
it just at the end definitely made me not feel great.
But that's kind of its purpose. So it definitely brought
that emotion out so well executed there. But in terms
of enjoyment, yeah, I didn't really enjoy my time watching this.
I am glad I saw it for just it being
a long anticipated watch for the last ten years. And
what was the female is Carrie Mulligame. I thought she
was great. I thought she was really fantastic a face
that I recognized, so it's like, okay, see, yeah she's
gonna do in here. And I thought she was yeah
really just just well done.
Speaker 4: And did you watch it in the morning or at night?
Speaker 5: I watched it in the am probably ten thirty if
you're ten thirty Sunday, I think it would have been
the slot good three three pm, three pm.
Speaker 3: Well, I so I started in the evening and then.
Speaker 1: I watched evening like a one am or like.
Speaker 3: No no, no, like eleven pm, eleven pm.
Speaker 4: Then when did you finished?
Speaker 1: You didn't see now of this movie? He didn't, he
just woke. I watched. He saw the jerk and in
the washroom and then the three way, and that's all
he saw.
Speaker 3: I watched the next part of it in the morning
from like six thirty seven thirty before work, and then
the last bit before with Madison in the evening. Let's
set you up for your I not feel great going
to work.
Speaker 1: He used to talk you just like pull one out,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to the bathroom on his break.
Speaker 1: It's filthy. It's not a long movie too, and he
took three sessions to me, three sessions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trevis, you have to watch Wrong. I'm sure you've
already seen Wrong Turn too, but you have to watch
it in that same just cryptic way of just chunk
it up in the most gross chunks. You should watch
a movie.
Speaker 1: Funny enough. I did watch the first twenty minutes and
then I pause it and I haven't gone back to ye.
I needed a break after Wrong.
Speaker 2: And then watch the ending and then go back to
the middle just to with Taylor.
Speaker 1: So luckily mean Taylor's wretchress are gonna be pretty in
line there. So I don't know what that says. But
what that says about me, which open the way he
opened up is what does it say about me? We
were chatting, is you're a sex attic? And then oh no,
of course, and then Kirk is like, yeah, it's because
you're a sex attic, which one two things. One children,
if you ever listen to this, don't listen. This is
cas not listen to about now. Never need to listen
to it too. I want them did take an exam
because Emily would say that I did take a zambline
because like no, like I consider like an insult. And
then when I took the exam, it did say it
was a sex attic. But I will say that I
don't think that's what me and Emily with joke when
watches nothing like brand in here because brand like those
bags that he has. And I'm not at work.
Speaker 2: Spent in nightclock.
Speaker 1: I'm not rushing in the washer at the most mere inconvenience,
like if they if a bird of shits on Brandon's scar,
He's like, oh fuck, I gotta go jerk went out
and everything like that. But uh no, there's probably a
longer cast this one day on a trestle or something
like that. I don't know, maybe in a twenty year,
But like the shorter version was this just came out
at a time where I kind of needed it and
where I kind of interlinked with his not like his
work life and not with the sister life, because that's
like I got nothing going on there. Me and my
sisters have a good relationship, Like nothing there. I think
it was the fact of alone, and I think the
the scene most in general, which we'll get into, but
it's the scene where you know he throughout the movie
there's this lady he likes, he's flooring with a they're talking.
You think there might be some opening. And this is
not a story of my personal either, but when he
goes to do the act, like he can't get hard
all right, he can't get involved into it. But then
when there's like a meanlessly hook up, he can just
do that, no issue, right, And that that's where I
feel like there was a time in my life where
when I saw this, it was like a light bulb
of like, oh man, like you need to like one
felt very lone in at a certain time, never to
the amount of brand. Luckily I got a good fan
of life. But then two it's just like I was
going through like a lot of meaningless dating, which was like,
because I've told the story before, I was very overweight
from like elementary school to like grade eleven. I graduated
early and I lost away. I bought a treadmill, I
went landscaping, came back, graduated, looked different. So I think
I had like a lot of catching up to do
on the dating scene. Like I didn't date much in
high school because it was a combo of I didn't
like the people that were available or they didn't like me.
Went over this as the fat, funny guy, and whenever
you're funny and fat, you get passed over all the
time because like, oh, they like you for your jokes.
You know, you kiss the most paupular girl in school,
which I did, but then two weeks later, like, ah,
she's dating this guy now, you know, like always the
second option. So for when that happened, I was very
much in like a ketchup mode. And there's like another
I don't know, there was a time in life where
I saw him moving to the States, and that was
a plan and this was not the whole plan. Kirklan
Taylor know about this because of like a not because
dil was cut out from but just because we were
talking about this. But not too many people know about this.
When I was younger and the first person I you know,
had the relations with and whatnot, they lived in America,
and my plan was moved to America, not to be
with them, but the idea was that was gonna be
hopefully something that happened down the line. And you know,
I didn't move and met Emily and stuff like that,
and here's another longer store and people ask me why
I don't drink that person we were in a relationship.
There's just like a casual thing. But that person passed
away because they were hit by a drunk driver. And
that was something where you're like young and you're like
sixteen seventeen, I had this idea of like, oh, the
States and this person I've known since I've twelve, we're
gonna you know, we, like I said, had been together
a few times, like oh it's gonna work out, move
out there, I'll be together. So I just felt like
I was very directionless for a time. Of I didn't
know the States. That wasn't the core reason, but that
was one of the big reasons why I didn't go.
And then I just couldn't connect with anybody and just
felt and again this is very I'm still younger, so
at that time, it's like, you know how it is
when you're after high schoolor high school, It's like, oh,
that's the and that obviously that loss was a lot,
but just everything else feels like it's the be all
and all left. You're never gonna Like you're eighteen, You're like,
I'm never gonna meet anybody. I'm never gonna love anybody,
you know, like it's all bad luck. And had many
times were same thing. Even when I was like, uh,
lost all the way, It's like I'd meet a bunch
of people and it's like, oh no, they actually have
a boyfriend. They lied to hear all this stuff. So
there was this time where I definitely just did not
connect with people in that way. And I've joked about
it by saying scumbag Travis. But that's where it was
where I saw this movie and one I love the
actual movie, which I'll talk about that that stuff, but
the those moments was just like, oh man, like, you
don't want to be anything like this. Luckily, again that's
a dram but there's certain things in life, whether there
moments or art the impact you go, Okay, it's like
a little light bulb moment. Not that twenty twelve when
any better for me? Near the back half. It did
because I did meet Emily and then things changed. And
even then when I met Emily, I've said that story before.
I was not looking for a girlfriend because I had
so many bad experiences, like I was done. But luckily,
you know, she changed a lot of things for me.
So that was where the life part of why that's
what it says about me. It is just a light
bulb moment of oh man, like, there's certain aspects of yeah,
you're alone, you're making these bad choices, you're with people
that you don't really even like, but you're just like
fulfilling and urge. But again, I'm not Russian. In bathrooms,
I never had. I still lived in my parents, so
I didn't have like ten bags and a bowl of
spaghetti to throw out. And no, this movie, I can't
remember what came out first. It was X Men or
x Men First Class. Let me just see here, because
I'll say that's when he was Magneto. That was two thousand,
so it was the exact same time, and I would
have saw this after all I saw was that, and
this came out like December Oscar season, so I don't
think I saw it to like the end of twenty
eleven or the beginning at twenty twelve. But I just
remember there was a lot of like like scuttle but
about this movie because of the full nudity, and it
got X rating and that's somebody got on the trivia
where they were very proud of that. We're back in
that day. It's like, oh, you don't want to ever
get X ray and that's gonna shoot your shots of
like the Oscar which they didn't win any but like
box office all that stuff, but it got X rays.
Remember the festivals was all like, oh, there's this movie
shame and there's like lots of nudy and like Terry
said's pretty much a poor know this and that, And
you know, I don't know what that said about me,
but I like Fastbender in first class. It's like, okay,
I'm interested. Carrie Mulligan, I don't think i'd seen really
much and up until Promisteny young woman. This was my
favorite role of hers. But no, I love everything about
this movie. I've said this before, American Psycho parts of
Breaking Bad. I love the just the single character journey
that's kind of into the darkness and how far they
can go. I like when it is just you know,
the wrestler you talked about black Swan, the newscast, stuff
like that, where it's someone's going through it and they're alone.
I think just because that's where there was a time
where I was just felt like I was going through
it right. And I love all that. I love the
colors in this movie, like the dark blues and the greens.
I love all the acting, the score by Henry Escott
or Harry Ascott, Oh my god, like the Brandon theme
at the beginning. I just love the piano and those cuts.
Everything Steve McQueen, great director. And some of the shots
we'll talk about Taylor. I know it might just be
seeing some junk, but just little stuff of the ending
of this movie when that girl walks up and then
it's just a shot that rerail the hand comes around
and that ring may well be a fucking new because
it's just like puts Brandon in such a particular situation
of now he's trying to be better, and that's what
the theme is Taylor, where he realizes all his selfish
choices led him to possibly losing the only person in
his life he actually cares about. And that's where, Okay,
he has to try and be a better person, even
if these urges are even these are the things that
might kind of pull them back to the darkness. He
has to get back there. So having a fair with
a married woman is not a good idea, but that's
what And I love these type of endings where it's
just like, man, I always wonder it's like, man, what
did Brandon get up to? Did he get off that train?
Did he fall her? And because you look at the
beginning of that movie, he's he And that's where like,
this guy's like very messed up. He's like aggressively following
her through the subway, like he needs to sleep with
this woman. And now the question at the end is, Okay,
you're trying to be a better person, you're trying to
be there for your sister, You're trying to make these changes,
but now that old life is calling you back, which
you feel like we all have those moments, whether it's
bad friendships or relationships or jobs, whatever it may be.
But I know everything about this movie. I love the pacing,
right amount of time. But yeah, that's that's how I
feel about Shame. It's when I watch quite often and
it's a it's a great picture, but I do understand.
This is not one where it is like cloud Atlet's
like when we did Golden Geeks and you guys like
I don't really like this movie. I was like, yeah,
I can get that. This is not like when people
say I don't like The Dark Night. I'm like, okay,
you need to be checked into a mental facility. We
need to talk I need to talk to you about X,
Y and Z. Shame. I'm like, yeah, this is definitely
not everyone's cup of even the pacing, it's like very
It's just like sometimes feel like just a day in
the life of a guy and you're just watching him
like there's it's not it's slow at times. There's three
nights in a row where it is Michael Fasts been like, oh,
he's just gonna go back out to the bar, like
that's all you're doing. But I love the situations I
love his terrible friend, like he's just does James badger
Dale whatever his name is, he has a weird fucking name,
Like such a good job being an asshole. I'm rambling,
but yeah, so that's why I picked Shames.
Speaker 2: Hey, No, I mean, that is a lot to share,
especially in like a public way that this podcast is.
So thank you for sharing all that because obviously that's
like the context of why this movie means so much
more than above it just being like a solid movie.
But damn, dude, like that, Yeah, that's a lot of
of course, darkness in your past, and it sounds like most,
if not all that is is well in your past
there and you've moved past all that, but like obviously
the movie is still gonna like it takes you back
to those times in a little bit, right, So I'm
sure it's very emotional watching every time. But yeah, thank
you for sharing that, because that's it's hard to be
that open on a podcast. I don't know if I've
ever shared that much about myself on these things.
Speaker 1: It's my problem. I just talk too much. But no,
I wanted to explain why because hopefully it helps anybody.
Like obviously most some people say, hey, our podcast is
good for like, oh, I'm at work doing something, but
hopefully if anybody has those times, like, it always gets better,
you know. So I'm also very curious when we get
the wrong turn, what Taylor's back life was, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, what kind of wrong turns were you take?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But yeah, always the phantom people get help and appreciate
people all they're around. But yeah, I guess we can
get into this. Where do you want to start? We
want to start in a particular scene, character moment, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I would love to uh once, like I already
mentioned it, but my favorite scene in here is the
date that he goes on with his coworker there when
they're at the restaurant, which I feel like most, if
not the whole scene is like a one take thing,
so that helps appreciate it a bit more. But I
think it's a classic thing I've seen in so many
movies now where it's just like it starts out a
pretty wide shot and then just like overtime, it's slowly
zooming in. It's one thing you don't you don't really
notice it at the moment, but then when you're at
like the very end of the day before we transition
out of it, and it's like very like zoomed in
on them at that point, which I think is a
great way of showing how they're getting closer to each other,
so like, and then even like the transition out of
that scene is just like then it just hardcuts to
a shot outside the restaurant, as if someone's like stalking
them or watching them of like outside, and then they're
walking outside. I think that was like it's camera work there,
you know, Taylor shitting on the camera work here. But
I think this movie had some really great moments, and
that one in particular stood out. But man, I fucking
love this waiter at like this what seems like a
really bougie, high end restaurant, but this guy just seems
like first day on the job, just like interrupting them,
just like forgetting their order, coming up with suggestions, and
like not taking a hint that he's like clearly being annoying.
And then like the way it starts and stops their
conversation when they're like talking about deeper stuff but they
don't want to talk about when he's right there. But
then over time they don't even they cease to care
about that stuff. Anymore. I thought that's that scene was
like just super duper fun.
Speaker 1: I love that. I imagine I feel like maybe it's
just the I feel like that waiter is something pulled
from a writer or director's just a specific thing they
had at that time.
Speaker 5: Or they like worked in the service industry. Because that
like reminded me of the first time that I actually
had to like deal with customers. I'm like, I just
feel like a fucking bumbling buffoon. But uh, it seemed
like a nice restaurant. I'm like, man, like, this guy
needs a little bit more training before being thrown in
this in or rush setting. But yeah, it just felt
so authentic and real, and like you said, Travis, like
definitely felt like something someone had pulled. Like maybe they
were the ones that were like experiencing the rude waiter
or like I don't think it was trying to be rude,
but like fuck, man like training wheels like he definitely
needs a little bit more training to be thrown this
situation of just knowing the cues of when to actually
you know, interject, and it's it's it's a common thing
where like you're you're taking your first bite and waiters,
you know, it's like, oh, how's everything going, like fucking
come back and like three bites, Like Jesus Christ, I'm
like getting my forks out. I haven't even touched anything,
dumb dumbs. But yeah, no, I shuts out the service industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, being a server can suck. I did it for
a couple of years, and that's not.
Speaker 2: You serve me.
Speaker 1: I did serve.
Speaker 4: He's not your experience Kirkling.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, but even little stuff when they're like, oh,
I can't remember what he's getting. He's like in the
steak or whatever. He's like, I'm gonna have meeting him
Rare and the where he's like, well, we suggest you
have a pink and fast as well, then I'll have
a pink. He's like, oh, well pink it is. Then
sirt like you make it sound like it's Fastpenner's idea,
but it's like you kind of made him feel like
an idiot for not getting it.
Speaker 5: Like Rare and the wine. The wine is the best.
When he's like he like says like the perfect thing
and they're all like oh yeah, right on, and he
comes back it's like did you sign on the wine?
It's like, yeah, I don't know which one, did you
say the pino pino like it just yeah, it seemed
like he wasn't picking up on just whatever like the
common cue would have been. So yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's even like some I mean, the
movie obviously deals a lot with like misogyny and stuff,
and I feel like there's some subtle misogyny in that
where like the waiter like always directing his gaze and
like his questions too fastpen even she orders first, and
then Fast Matter just like follows it up. Then he
like goes to Fastpender first asks like what he wants
when he's asking about the wine, he's like asking like
Fastbender specifically. So I feel like that's an angle to
it of what maybe he's just a bumbling buffoon of
a waiter, but I don't know, I feel like there
was maybe a little bit of a double angle to that.
Speaker 1: No, that's a good point because yeah, he is always
just kind of addressing him, and it feels like she's
just kind of there and even then like to obviously
fast Better does that a lot. But I love that
when she shows he shows up and she's like, oh
you find the place, okayeh, I did you? Oh? Sawy
him a little late. He never actually explains why he's late.
He never actually apologized for being late.
Speaker 2: He doesn't explain much.
Speaker 1: He just acknowledges that, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm late. Eh,
and that's it, like, no no apology whatsoever. But uh,
why do you like that scene though, is because I
think with the pacing and with some of the material,
there's very few moments where you get to kind of
breathe or have some fun. And I think they have
a fun time. I didn't put in my trivia, but
I'll say now that they were I guess dating at
the time. This was movie film, so that always helps
with some chemistry stuff. But I just feel like it's
it's a nice picking up because even their conversation, it
does kind of get more serious about like, oh, oh,
it's your longst relationship four months, Like oh, that's trying. Yeah,
I tried real hard for four months. Like the concept
of longer than four months, right, Like he just feels
like that's like an adequate amount of time. But I
feel like it's still even like a fun, jokey kind
of barb even when she's feeling I skim some weird
answers because Fastpenner's being charming. It stills kind of funny,
even when they leave and he's like, oh, touch, touch
the back of my head, and she does and he
like pretends to bite her or whatnot. I'm glad the
scene's in the movie because if you take that out
and it's just, oh, let's say they just meet for
a quick dinner and then go right to the hotel scene,
and I think you're kind of hopefully rude at least
I am your rooting for them because it's like, oh,
she seems nice, and it seems like this could be
a good fit for him, and maybe he could like
find something, you know, with some meaningful connection here. But
obviously it doesn't happen. The hotel goes extremely wrong for him.
Speaker 5: So I and like that scene already kind of mentioned
earlier on, but I thought that was a really powerful
scene also just showing like what he attributes like getting
off on and like like how it's so artificial compared
to like like you know, he has someone that's like
actually like giving him everything for just just making the
love making authentic and real as opposed to just just
just doing it as like an action, like like just
like whether he's paying like courtizonts or whatnot, going rough
doggy style like no eye contact really like there's just
no what's the word I'm looking for, like an affection
like in the actual act supports it's just like just
get my nut off. More so, it's like what he
is always used to so and even just like what
turns him on right, like like it's just so and
he feels that shame afterwards of like this is someone
that's actually like liking him for supposedly who he is.
I don't think she maybe would be thinking that if
she knows fully what he's like. But uh, I thought
it was also just a good like uh representation of
how like like disassociated like especially like young males with
the with the the internet porn and like how you
can just think that is what, yeah, sex is, you know,
and if like that is your sexual education, like when
you actually get into that situation, you're so ill prepared.
So uh yeah, I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Ex video videos, you know, it's not. That's not how
it goes down. And still he's watching those constantly as
we talk about like his hard drive and even then
like that's that's what I always love about the movie
he they show him pick up women constantly, but he's still,
like he said, he's still paying for prostituts. He's still
paying for online people. Like it's not like, oh, he's
super lonely because he can't connect with anybody, so he's
paying this way. So that's why that would still make
sense as far as oh, when he meets someone really
doesn't act. But it's like he still meets people real
that are still also not doing you know, they're not
there for a genuine connection. But still he can meet
real people, but that's not what he's uses those people for,
you know.
Speaker 3: So a scene when his sister sat down at his
desk and you just hear the girl, Oh, Brandon.
Speaker 4: What do you want me to do next?
Speaker 3: I will laugh because you just you don't even see
the frame change. You just see his hand going the laptop.
Speaker 1: Thanks. That's a good shot, right, Taylor.
Speaker 4: Like that was good. I'll give you that.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a good reveal because they don't
set up that he's on the computer. It's just that
they're arguing. And then when she just goes to sit
down like two D talks, it's like, well, what's going
on here? Honestly, later on the movie, she kind of
reveals that she knows more about like he, you know,
probably his afflictions and stuff happening. But I've always loved
that moment when she sits down and it's just like,
what is going on? Because again, what does he do?
Like I get his point of view. It's his boss
and somebody works with so maybe for some people that
might be an itchy situation, but he can't. That's the
whole conversation pep have had for decades, Right, how come
a woman could sleep with you know, a bunch of
guys and be labeled you know, uh, you know someone
beneath but a man it's like a bad on right,
So fastbender. There's that whole scene on the Couch, which
is another just seven minutes of them one shot going dialogue.
They did that sixty times. That scene. They did that
sixty times just to get it right.
Speaker 3: But so did like because that's that's them having this
show is playing the background the sister and him were talking.
Speaker 4: That's that's the scene you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yes, on the couch. Yeah, when he's like, oh you're
he calls her a you know, filthy s word and stuff.
Like that, and then so let's talk about your sex life.
And that's when he's like just gonna move out. You're
moving out, like right right when she brings up his
sex life, he kicks her out and she has nowhere
to go, no money. You know, they were they.
Speaker 3: Were getting that scene and a few others. They were
just getting closer and closer and closer. I thought it
was going to come to the point where they're going
to start fucking hing there.
Speaker 5: When he like straddles her with his fucking towel.
Speaker 1: Yes, that that's where I'll say, there's there. I don't
relate or have any uh, nothing's going on with I
have no family issues that way. That's been a debate
for years. Karen Mulligan said, like that's not a thing.
The directors just always refused to ad answer that. They definitely
on purpose have many like incestuous like type of like
did something happen in the past, is he attracted to
or is it a weird thing where he's attracted to women?
But he can't have this one because it's his sister.
Like even the first time she's in the movie, they're
playing the song I Want Your Love, you know, and
she's fully nude and stuff like, there's all these little
things that are very odd, and I think they do
put that in there. Again, they talk about their past.
Some people don't like that because they want That's always
been a knock Fiel against the film that oh I
need more, But I think that's kind of like the
ending for me. I like that there's not and even
the director said like, I'm purposely not going to answer
certain questions. So I don't know. I don't think anything
did sexually happen. But I think just because he is
a confused individual with that relationship and some of his
emotional stuff, that's where those I'm not saying those thoughts
cross his mind, but it's just it's like he doesn't
want to have the thought of sex and his sister
at all. Like when him and is with his sister
and his boss, he's having like a full on panic attack.
He's pacing around, he's punching the walls like and some
people say, oh, it's because he's like jealousy. Way, I
don't think it's that. I think it's just like it's
a maybe he doesn't want to fall down his path.
I don't know if that's why I love about that dynamic.
There's so many kind of routes you can look at it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I definitely because you know, this whole movie,
it's like you don't know exactly what's gonna end. I
did not expect that she was gonna kill herself, but
you know you feel like, Okay, this movie's gonna lead
to a rock bottom moment for this character, and what
is that gonna be? And I definitely felt like they
were at least yeah, hinting that like maybe he's gonna
look up with his sister and that would be his
rock bottom moment because like for me, when I was
watching that scene when he's in the apartment, which really
so fucked up from the Boss like in that sequel,
like in his own apartment in his bed, like super weird.
But like that when he's in the living room and
he starts taking his clothes off, I thought, is he
gonna like start wanking into like the sounds of his
sister getting banged over there? And like obviously the first
thing you see her, she's like naked in the in
the the shower, and then when she like comes to
join him in bed that one time, he just immediately
goes to spooning him, like, you know, nothing wrong with
like a sibling, like simbling sleeping in a bed together.
You know it's a bed whatever. But like if you
go immediately for spooning, that's like a bit different of
a line too.
Speaker 1: That's the same night as the stuff with the boss, right,
and same thing. Not that he handled well, but he
just asked her to go at several times.
Speaker 2: And just go scared the shit out of it the rage.
Speaker 1: That's why after this movie I was like, oh I
could see fast when I was Badman. He was my
fancast for well because when he gets that level and
he just yells, he's just he's scared. Yeah, yeah he did.
It's like later on too, like there's an uncomfortable scene,
like it's to me in a good way when she's
very when she catches him masturbating, and for her it's
like no big deal. And that's why I think you
see the differences, and that's why I don't think that
actually anything sexual has happened, because it's such like a
joke to of like she's just walking on her brother
in an embarrassing situation, but for him that's like a
sacred thing of like, how dare you. It's like, well,
you didn't lock the door. But it starts with them
wrestling and she's like laughing about having good time. But
then it gets very serious when he's like yelling at
about ruining her life. And that's where I think it's
but it's funny you bring that uphen Danie were wondering
that was gonna be ending, you know, I was shout
out back to the IMDb boards. That was the huge
debate before the movie came out. Everyone was like, it
is Michael fastpering to sleep with his sister in his movie,
Like that was a big talk tobout and I thought
that's why it was gonna go too. But no, it's
the route we go and I'm not sure if you
guys call it then the I'll say, talk about her arm.
But even stuff of the first time they're on the
train track, she's like standing really close to side and
he like pulls her away right away. That's where it's
like there's like multiple kind of layups to show that
whether it's a cry of help or whether it's this
person that has actually tried to take their life that
multiple times in the movie, they kind of set you
up for that, even though they do that fake out
of when the train stops, Yeah, and that's like a
really but that clicks into the hole, Oh I should
return her call and you know, obviously bad stuff's going on.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I think that's an interesting choice
for this movie overall, is like some of it is
very over but I also feel like a lot of
it is subtle, because you could have this being like
Fastbender and Killer where he's like constantly of narrating or
like you know, talking through his thoughts, or you could
have like him having a single friend that he talks
to about this stuff, but you don't get any of that,
so it's just through like facial reactions. And I think
by the like the third act, it's like very more
more overt. You can see the emotions obviously like the
three way scene into like everything with the ending, Like
obviously that's pretty over the top, but like other than that,
it's like little reactions like even when sometimes when he's
on the train looking at a girl or yeah, like
in the in the apartment, like before he you know,
storms out there and goes for a run, like I'm
trying to read his face and like I don't know
what he's thinking here, and I think it does a
good job of that, like and really builds up throughout
the movie before it kind of leads to that rock
bottom moment and then it's a little more over the top.
But yeah, I think for the most part, like this
movie is pretty subtle in what it's doing. I feel like,
and I like that part of it. I'm curious how
you feel about that angle of at Travis scene that
you've watched this movie a bunch of times now and
you're like know exactly what's happening and you're kind of
analyzing his acting in every scene, Like, how you feel
about that that kind of subtlety.
Speaker 1: I think the because obviously got is the background. I
think that's the only way that final scene works because
you see, other than the anger, not really much emotion.
You get just it. That's why it reminds me a
lot of like American psychle where it feels like he
has this mask up the whole time, and even when
he sees his sister sing, he starts to cry, but
when she sits down, he's like playing it off. He's like,
I'm gonna go get us some drinks. But his boss
kind of sells them out, like, oh no, he was
getting really upset and emotional here, but he doesn't talk
about that. He doesn't want to share that with her.
So that's why I, for me, I love all that
stuff because I think there's one of just some hiding
his emotions and also just hiding at work. Like we
joke about the hard drive stuff, but that moment when
the very first scene they start talking about it and
the boss is talking about someone being filthy or something
like that investment, and like he like looks up right
away and then like he's talking about something else, Like
every time he looks like he's about to be caught.
You Just like I feel like all those that that
emotion would come out of him, which I think happens
at the end because it's something he's just pent up.
So I think you kind of need that. And that's
also another reason why not only is the connection thing
I sometimes one of that's another reason why he couldn't
sleep with that girl that he works with, because like
he would show some of that sexual side to someone
else that he knows, like that's someone that knows him
at work or that he'd have to see again and
he almos doesn't want to show that like raw side
of him. You know, I don't think I don't think
anything David or not David. I got screwed up because
his boss is named David, and of course he's named David,
and the aliens stuff I can mess me up today
for some reason. But I don't think like any point
in this movie he's making love or he's like, that's
not the situation. Like I think the sexual actor masturbations
like the exact same thing for him.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I feel like that's because most
of the times that he's hooking up with people, it's
like that you know, it's a basement scene that Taylor
was talking about, or it's like him hooking up with
like a sex worker or like masturbating. But then there
is that sequence with like the when I go when
he goes to the bar with his with his boss,
and like that seems like, you know, that's that's a
very different situation than those other ones. But it is
the fact that it's a game for him, and a
big part of it is that he's kind of like
taking this girl who, like his boss, wasn't able to
hook up with, right, And that's like part of it
for him. And that's where I find like that first
date that he goes on with his coworker so interesting.
When they finally get to the subway and he's kind
of waiting for her to like invite him and like
continue this game, and I feel like in that moment,
he's still like on the chase and it's still a
game for him, and that's where he's like, you know,
he probably would be able to get hard in that
moment and have sex with her and do all that,
but because there's like that one delay or like it
could even be the next day when he you know,
pulls her into the office and starts kissing her and stuff.
But I feel like, because that's already like changed the
dynamic a little bit, that's why he's like, I don't know,
it looks at it differently than he normally does.
Speaker 1: And with the subway scene, that's why I love the
beginning in the end, because clearly this woman she's like
looks pretty upset and emotional. In the first subway, she's
like pretty much in tears, and he's just like staring
at her creepy, and he's ready to do this. We're
when you get to the end of the movie. He's
the one that's in an emotional state, doesn't really know
what's going on. But when she sees him, she's like
ray pounds. Clearly she's decided, Oh, I should have screwed
that guy on the subway she sees him. Yet, Oh,
I'm gonna do it this time where he is not
in that type of state. And that's why I said,
I love the train stops then cut to black right away.
I love that. But I just love that kind of
flip of their I don't know what journey she's going on.
I don't know that. You know, we didn't get shame too,
but like clearly that's where just the dichotomy of the
switcheroo between.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, perfect ending you you mentioned a couple times now,
but yeah, it is. It is the perfect way to
end end something like this. Did he break the cycle
or is he gonna go right back to it? It's
it's fantastic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I love the Indian. Yeah. I don't really
have anything more to say beyond that. I was really
shocked that the sister survived. I don't know how I
feel about obviously, you know, no, no death is good, but.
Speaker 1: It's for believability is good, he said, like a politician,
it's good to stop.
Speaker 5: I yeah, just believability wise. I don't know. I'm not
an expert in medical science or anything, but like, fuck man,
she lost a lot of blood before he got there,
like unless she fast traveled to the hospital, Like I
don't even know. Maybe maybe he donated a lot of
blood to save her life. But yeah, it was definitely
like got wrenching though of a reveal. I just found
like like, oh my god, I can't believe that happened.
That's the worst case scenario. And then she lived and
I'm like, oh, okay, there you go. Shame too. Can't
wait to follow up on what happens here.
Speaker 1: I think as if she doesn't live, then I think
he's like he's done, done, he's done on the streets.
Speaker 5: The bread crumbs kind of left there to make you
hopeful because like you guys already pointed out, like I
do love how the ending is left kind of unanswered
because she makes that.
Speaker 1: Point too, and she when they have that conversation on
the couch, which I love, and that's like some of
my figure out like later on life, She's like, oh,
if I get up and leave, I'm never gonna hear
from you again? Is that? How sad is that? And
I feel like that's how I like, I'm not as
a dramatic, but with friendship, it's like there's certain friends
I still talk with and it's definitely like I'll message
them or they'll message me. But there are friends where
it's like, thought you're good friends, but if you're not
the person that message, never heard back from that person
ever again, you know, And that's where we should not be.
The situation with a brother sister situation especially right should
not be a one way and that's why, like in
the first act, it's like she leaves three different messages
of trying to get a hold and he's like, why
didn't you call me before you show it up? She's like,
I've been calling you every fucking day, like you're not
doing anything. But obviously he's just I think also trying
to protect her in away because he's not in a
good state. But it's just, you know, I like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Carry Mulligan is fantastic here. I don't know if
we talked about it on Promising Young Woman retro, but
I wonder if I feel like this must have been
like Emerald finnl watch this movie and be like, oh,
I gotta get Carry Mulligan in this role, because I
feel like there's a lot of comparisons there in terms
of the eccentric neess of the character, someone with the
liveliness of it and like, you know, like the playfulness
to some extent. So I don't know, I feel like, yeah,
this is like a very specific type cast that I
can't think of anyone else who like gets roles like this,
but she's like kind of perfect for it. So yeah,
this is a surprised because I, you know, over the
decade that we've talked about this movie, I it's just Fastbender.
That's the only name I associate with this, like even
the director, which I want to talk about at some
point here. But yeah, it was kind of surprised as
here in here. And yeah she does a great job
as usual.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's fantastic. She did audition, but she like
at somehow where it's just like she wasn't the first pick,
but she got the script and she flew out and
talked to the director and said like she needed to
play this role. She even said like, oh, if you
give me this role, we'll get a tattoo and he's like, oh,
you don't got to get a tattooed.
Speaker 2: Leaving voicemails on his uh.
Speaker 1: If you get the tattoo. Absolutely got this role as
like a joking way. But yeah, no, she's she's fantastic.
I guess I always do forget about her because like
she is in the back half like a lot, but
at the same time not like she kind of goes
in and out right, she's off somewhere. And another scene
I really love is the subway scene between those two
because at first when they meet, it's like contentious. It
seems like he doesn't want her there. But that's just
the scene of them joking around where he has the
fluff on his jacket and he takes her hat and
there's lots of you know. She says like, oh, I'm singing,
and he's like, oh, I'll come out to see your show.
And that's what's interesting is he finds out about it
and he's he's gonna go, you know that, That's what's
so odd.
Speaker 5: Seems like he was initially going to though, and then
she's like I really want you to come, like yeah, really,
really you got to be there. Then he's like okay,
I'll be there. Like more so of like, okay, you
caught me. I was an action you would.
Speaker 2: Have gone without the boss kind of inviting himself.
Speaker 1: I think he would have. I think the Boss was
just a great mistake that, Yeah, it would.
Speaker 5: Have been better if if you didn't accept David Taylor.
Speaker 1: You got any bosses like that, you know? Yeah, it
seems like I caught you laughing a couple times when
we talk about him and the hard drive stuff. So
I just cause you like.
Speaker 3: All that stuff, I didn't know the context before when
you used to send that, uh like that gift of
just Fastbender setting in the doorway and just his look
of disbelief, just like he.
Speaker 1: Thinks it's over for him when he's just his face.
Speaker 3: Is amazing and oh yeah that that was really really funny,
and so seeing that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's when the boss is like I don't even know
what a cream bay is.
Speaker 1: Like just ainal double a durational, it's.
Speaker 2: Like a double adele.
Speaker 5: That was like, oh man, that's some categories I've never saw.
Speaker 1: And that's just so good. Like he gets so many
accidental outs, right, He's like Al must have been your intern.
He's like my fucking intern, Like like he didn't even
say that. He just was like and it almost suddens
feel like a killer that kind of wants to get
caught but like doesn't. Like that's it's interesting because he
didn't make an excuse, but his boss gave him the intern,
you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, question question I had about the sequence because
I feel like the timing was he really convenient or
just kind of weird of that being a reveal and
then like very shortly after is when the coworker kind
of goes up to him and and like flirt with
him a little bit, or like one asked, like gone
and dating sugar?
Speaker 1: Yeah there's yeah, windows Yeah.
Speaker 2: So like did she did she like did she find
out about this porn thing? And then like ooh, maybe
he'd be into it, because like that would be a
weird thing. But also the timing of it seemed like
that would have been the reason for her to do that. Finally,
I don't know, it seemed off to me.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I think only he would
have I would hope the boss wouldn't have shared that
with a bunch of other people. Obviously she could have
found out, but I think it was just the timing
of Fastbenner gets away with one thing and then like, Okay,
we're gonna throw like another curveball at him, Like, Oh,
here's this girl from work. But I don't think she
I don't think she knew, because.
Speaker 2: That would be confirm that would probably be not a
turn on for I'm gonna say ninety nine percent of people.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, Taylor, any pauses or negatives you want to talk.
Speaker 3: About, Oh, my goodness, I don't know where my positives
are becau. I feel like it's just it's repetition, repetition
where he's just he's having sex with this person. He's
beaten off and he's having sex with this person. I mean,
you guys highlighted some things that I will I will
say are positives, like some of the moments where he
tries to save his sister and realizing, you know, him's
the only one that is ever consistent in his life,
and the idea like oh if she goes, then yeah,
he's got no one left, like then never talk to
each other again. That is some pretty heavy stuff for
the story. But I guess I do feel bad for
him that he kind of wanted to try with this
co worker, but that it didn't work out, and that
and the ultimately I interpreted it as he didn't want
to use her or make her feel like shit, rather
than how he would feel with that coming into the workplace.
I feel like he kind of felt like how he
didn't want to like alienate her or do anything weird
with her. But ultimately, like after she leaves, which if
that ever happens, you do that with a girl, like
it's fucking done. Like I don't know how you ever
come back from that if you're going down having fun
and then like you know, just you stop and then
they leave, Like I don't know how you come back
from that.
Speaker 4: But I was the.
Speaker 1: Boner, I see, Yeah, yeah, I thought you meant the
lady right after, because that's probably a deal breaker too,
you know, the window lady.
Speaker 4: So the window lady, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The same lady from the bar, which always that threw
me off because it's like similar body type in their
blonde hair. But it's not the boss that he like,
the business lady he meets up with in the alley
or whatever. I assumed it was just another process, just
another prot.
Speaker 3: That scene in the other bar that kind of cracked
me up when the girl walked over and he's just
like just laying it down hard, like i'll you and
just like gets his hands.
Speaker 4: She was in there, she.
Speaker 5: Was getting into it.
Speaker 3: Then he walks over and then I'm in a paraphrase,
but he's like, yeah, I will, I'll fuck her in
the ass.
Speaker 4: And then he was.
Speaker 3: Just like, you won't even let me do that, Like
he looks and says to his correct.
Speaker 1: And the the laughs that Fastpenner gives, like he it's
only that he's arrogant. There's he's just like almost evil
in that scene the whey he's just like he's just
picking anybody to kind of ruin their life or ruin
their day, or he doesn't care about this person this situation,
like he and obviously he probably has a couple of
drinks in him too, but he's just in such a
self destructive mode. And then he gets his ass kicked
right outside. But yeah, he's that's where and then like
that's why I like that montage because he goes there,
he tries to go in this nightclub, which again that's
where some people go back and forth of how much
they like the subtext or not. I like that they
won't let him in and he tries to get into
like not tonight, man. So it's like they say that
away where it's like they know whatever he's I don't
know what he's doing in this club. Like I'm not
saying he's doing anything illegal. I don't think that, but
it just like he has a reputation in other places
where he'm like, we're not letting you in tonight.
Speaker 2: For maybe like sneaks him a fifty a bunch of
times to get into, yeah.
Speaker 1: Or even that situation. Maybe he's done that same thing
that girl did in the bar. Maybe he's done in
the club where he's done that somebody in the fights
broke out like clearly, and that's where he has to
go to this like red light district, you know, with
a bunch of people he really doesn't know, and I
don't know. They don't confirm it he was with men
or not before, but like I feel like they kind
of make it like it's his first time and that
shows that maybe like the whole movie, he's been with women,
but like that's where he is where either whether he's
discovering a new sexuality or he doesn't even care who,
like the vessel is he just needs somebody there to
please him and whatnot. And then right after that he
like gets to prostatous and does a three way like
he's just like onto, like he's on like a side
quest of just like shameful. Uh yeah, that's episode which
I did find out. It was funny enough about me
and Emily. I well, I had to do it. Emily
had a good left, but I so we're going through.
I have the blu ray of this and I had
to turn the subtitles on because the baby's luckily they're
not seeing this, but there's sometimes loud. But I saw
a different thing and it was English French and then
it was English three. I was like, oh, what's that.
It's descriptive video. So we did go back and watch
the three way. With the scriptive video. It is like
a romance novel when you're especially with the music, but
the way the descriptive narrators just like he takes his
powerful hands on her smooth bottom and like, oh, my
favorite term is the girl licks her out. That was
a term that thinks, yeah, licks her out. So the
whole other experience for shame there. But one thing I
will say too is like jokes aside. I really like
the way the Three Way shot, like it's like how
bright it is with the score. There's no sound like
there's no sound of like the moaning or brand or
anything like that. It's just like sterile. And it's just
because I feel like they're trying to make you really
sit with like, yeah, this guy is just doing anything
to get his rocks off, and instead she's like, oh,
he goes in a hotel room with three women. She's like, yeah,
you're gonna sit at this scene for two minutes and
you're gonna see the full act of this.
Speaker 6: Then you scared me.
Speaker 1: But then all's the act of all this is happening,
is like you know, his sister's like phony, im costantly
trying to get a hold of this right and even
at the end of that, he's like almost crying at
the end of Three Way, like he's going through all
this stuff. So and again, kudos to those actors. And
I'm sure that was not an easy day to ish,
Like I'm sure that's not like a fun because everyone
says sex scene sucks, So I imagine that was like
a that's probably like a four to five hour day
of you're just naked together, and because it's not even
like a quick sex scene, it's like a two minute
slow motion not also much but just like hard zoom
in on private areas and again show I got a
intribute it but showed a fastbener who's just naked costly
in this movie. You know he has a reason for
doing it. But uh yeah, I like cinematically how they.
Speaker 4: Just having fun man making movies.
Speaker 5: Set him on the red carpet, just just talk.
Speaker 2: It's like, how was this experience fun man?
Speaker 4: Big adventure?
Speaker 2: Yeah going?
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I wanted to mention after after that bar scene when
he's kind of flirting with that girl and then the
boyfriend beats him up in the alley way and then
he's kind of that's not not quite as rock Bottom,
but he's like pretty damn close to it. The music
and that sequence is amazing. It's very it's very much
like the ending of Inception when like they've finished the
heist and like you know, they're crawling out of the water,
when like out of the van sequence when they're doing
the kicks, and it's just like that slow like to
me is like a very melancholy, real like nostalgic sort
of tone to it. Yeah, mixed really well with that
that kind of sequence. So I don't know if this
I don't know if the composer was inspired by I've
seen it all, but it felt very very similar to me.
But it worked. It worked really well, and like, yeah,
I feel like, as you mentioned, Travis, like these scenes
could be very different were it not for like the
score choice here, like it really it really changes the
tone of a lot of stuff. And yeah, sometimes the
silence is powerful too, so it is it goes good music.
But that was definitely the height for me on the
soundtrack side of things.
Speaker 1: And he's not done much too for other films when
he's on a lot of the TV shows, so he's
still working. But it just it's a score that I
I remember hearing back then and just being like, oh man,
I bet I'm missing this kind a bunch of other
places and I didn't. But Tay, you like score stuff,
did you like the music here? Is that's still negative
for you too.
Speaker 3: I was trying to remember some of the score because
I can't. I can't recall really. I feel like it
was more more or less just a quiet film. I
don't remember.
Speaker 1: Much of the score kind of like don't set. It's
more melancholl. It's not big like's going on on top
of that's like the quietness of the score too.
Speaker 4: I feel like there really wasn't.
Speaker 3: A lot of dialogue in here, and I think I'm
curious at what point, like how many minutes in is
like the first actual line spoken, because I feel like
it's just silent and it's just like body language really,
and I think it's.
Speaker 2: In that bed for a couple of minutes before we
can get up and go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, I guess it's actually I think it just
be him when he's talking in the prostitute, the first prostitute,
and he asks her for a drink and she che
denies them and stuff and then they go and slowly
slowly and you know, all that stuff going on. But yeah, uh,
and then and the thing that's always curious for me too,
is he That's where if I could have a little
bit more time, that moment in the middle when he
does throw at everything, and again it's just stupid, but
I just find it so hilarious when he's throwing everything
and then there's just a smash cut to like a
massive bowl pasta and he throws it out too, like
I don't know why. It just breaks the tension for
me that moment, like it's a traumatic moment. But there's
a few just smash cuts, same thing of when he's
when his boss and you can see his boss being slimey,
just like, oh, I gotta see you again, all that stuff,
And then the next smash cut is they're the back
of the taxi cab. They're making out and it's a
hard zoom like he's looking out the window wishing to
be anywhere else, like he's as close to the glass
as could be. Uh So there's a couple of those
in the movie, just like this just smash cut. But
uh yeah, if anything for like more I wanted. It's
kind of like why he like, for a moment wanted
to get rid of all that stuff. I know why
because he feels like a little shame of himself. But
then he kind of I guess maybe it has to
do with peaks and valleys because like he it's almost like, okay,
I could change, but then when it comes back, it's
like much worse because that's when he's doing his like
Joe Goldberg thing. He is the hood up and he's
look very ominous and the subways and whatnot. But yeah,
lots of bags and whoever picked that up garbage man
must have had a lot of a lot of questions
going on because that's especially in the digital age, that's
a lot of a lot of material there.
Speaker 5: So it reminded me of the sequence and substance when
I can't remember what their names were, but the one
version comes back and it's just a mess and just
like a mass clean up. No I I did like that.
That just sequence of him just it's like it's like
a drug addict being like I got to change right now,
and he just flushes all the drugs and it's like
this is how I'm going to change, like make these steps,
and it like, it just perplexed me that he threw
out the entire laptop like it was so dirty that
like he can't he can't even just wipe it and
go back to the factory settings.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 5: It is so dirty that whole laptop just garbage bagged it,
which is not how you're supposed to throw it electronics.
So that's definitely illegal the way he did that.
Speaker 1: But tire straights, Yeah, I don't think he was in
his uh right mind there when that happened.
Speaker 2: Do they even recycle in New York? I don't know.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's just the rats take it and
start working on there.
Speaker 2: Random thing I just found funny in this movie. You know,
like so much of it is because you know, again
like an internal monologue. You're like trying to get into
his head a little bit, trying to figure out what
he's thinking in these moments, and it's funny. Just like
different scenes in this like he'll just open door for
a girl and then he'll like check her out, and
it might be like a little scene, but then there's
moments there's a couple I feel like he opens a
door for an old lady or at one point on
the subway, yeah, or at one point he like getting
off the subway and then an old lady's like getting
off the subway and it's like, Okay, see, is this
like his next to fix? He's gonna go for like
an old lady, Like that's the next thing he wants
to do here. But I feel like I started to
overthink that of like every interaction that he was having,
like what is he thinking here? And is this somebody
he's gonna try in court to get his rocks off.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's what's interesting. Like I think at the
end he's seeking out. But in a lot of the things,
like with the date with the co worker, like I said,
there's lots of weird things people talk about, like when
the sister asks, like will you come to the show?
Of course was that the coworker when she asked, do
you want some sugar? And like, clearly she's talking about coffee,
But there's multiple there's something too about oh, it's when
the waiter's asking him if he likes it pink. There's
there's multiple things throughout the film. They're all like indu
windows and with the coworker and even the beginning with
that lady, he doesn't initialize that like flirtation. He doesn't
go after she pulls the side like oh do you
need a ride? And he doesn't fight he's, oh yeah absolutely.
But there's multiple times in the film where he is
looking for that stuff, but he's still like getting like
almost it's like it's the trouble's still kind of finding him.
It's presenting himself. And but like I said, I really
like how the Boss actor James delle badgerly he just
plays he's such a good asshole or such a good
idiot when he's doing the whole flirting with them and
like oh, what's your eye color and all this stuff
and they make fast been a very smooth also in
that bar scene, that's when like this guy could be
bond because he's like, oh, it's brown and stuff. But
they just each time, And I love the back and
or the kind of one two where that scene happens
with Sissy and then the next day he's like on
a zoom call with his kid and his fucking wife,
So like you're right away and you're like, oh, not
only is he just kind of like every night just
trying to like get some ass, he also has like
a family at home, so like the boss just continually
he is like a worse and worse character. We never
really turned back.
Speaker 4: They're not divorced. I assume that they were.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No. I I could be wrong,
but I think that's what that's kind of trying to imploy,
because the way he kind of has the back and
forth with his son, it feels like he's still relatively
close with the mom there, like it just felt like
a call and I can't remember her. No, he what's
his brand? Says that about because he has his wedding ring.
He tells us about that, and he's my married boss,
so he does confirm that. Yeah, he's just out there.
And then they actressis you never see that boss guy again?
He's just going through hard drives. Yeah, anything else.
Speaker 5: With the business lady in that that sequence of course
fast he ends up hooking up with her in the
in the dirty alleyway uh later on that evening. I
just I just couldn't believe how immature it was that
she drove him home after just doing shots and like
partying up all night and she's just like driving this man.
Uh definitely big no, no, a big red flag. Maybe
we didn't see them get out of the car.
Speaker 2: You never again.
Speaker 6: So yeah, and then the when when Brendan comes home,
Sissy's in the in the bathroom, but he just thinks
a burglar or something there and he grabs his trusty
baseball bat you know in the closet.
Speaker 5: I got that same home defense weapon right in the
same location, ready to go. So I like to see
the slugger, the uh, the slugger ready to go.
Speaker 1: I would say where mine is just for in cases.
But I got a police it's.
Speaker 5: Not my last one. It's my it's one of my I.
Speaker 1: Should get too. Yeah, that's a good call. I should
get another one. But yeah, I got a police baton.
That's what I got, So I should.
Speaker 2: I should get that figured out. I don't think I
have enough self defense.
Speaker 1: I should.
Speaker 2: Yeah, booby traps.
Speaker 1: Mine has a risk thing, so if people were to
try to grab it, it's a wrist blayeet that too
get them.
Speaker 2: Watched camp Bit style just chucking playing cards with people.
Speaker 1: You remember the name one of me that shot at
the baseball that when he picks up like her scarf
and it's this weird like red leg it has a
bunch of balls and she's again there's little moments of
the kind of break the tension. But again they set
you up right away because she's just falling naked and
they're throwing that cowl back and forth and no issues
whatsoever with it. Like most time you see your sibling naked,
you're gonna run away in fear or try to avoid
that situation. But they're completely just kind of calm and
cool with it. And again they just kind of talk
about where they came from. We don't know what that means.
Speaker 2: But mm hmm, Travis, I wanted to ask you about
so Steve McQueen. I'm sure I've heard this guy's name before,
but like I truly couldn't recall, even though you know,
Twelve Years of Slave is a big movie, and like
I've heard of some of his other movies, but I
want to ask you about this because like specifically I
looked this up and like, looks like him and Fastpender
kind of did three movies back to back together, Twelve
Years of Slave, where I don't think he was the star,
and then Hunger I think he maybe was the star,
so messed up it was. Yeah, yeah, but obviously, like
this movie means a lot too, like outside of whoever
the director is, whoever the actor is, like because of
its time and place. But yeah, what what do you
think of those other movies and are they up there
for you as like favorites or was this kind of
just like a one off special.
Speaker 1: I think it's a one special. Hunger is like a
really tough watch, but it's really good. But I need
to watch that because I watched that directly after this,
like not too far back. But then I've never returned
back to it, so I should have, like an older age,
twelve years of Slave I think is probably a ten
and ten movie. It's just I've watched that once and
that's one of those where it's like that's a tough
that's a very tough watch. And obviously it's you know,
it's not the greatest world because he's a slave owner.
But like I'm so I should have won the Oscar
over Jared Letto. I thought fast, but I was grand there.
Lapita won an Oscar for that, and Truetail Edge of
four is great. So that for like, if we're talking
about when you talk like the favorites versus the best
of like in a best category, if you're talking about
that like very important films, I put it up there.
Actually I did see it twice one time it was
on Netflix, but it's not up there as a favorite
just because I couldn't. It's not like Jangle, where it's
like you got that slap sticky spaghetti western where you
can have a lot of fun while covering some tough
stuff like I can't shame for some reason, I could
watch every day for multiple reasons because I like the
movie and the meaning but twelve year slaves alls they
couldn't and then Windows, I remember thinking was fine. And
I haven't seen his newest one with Schircy Ronan, which
I think I heard was kind of also just kind
of fine as well, but I still would There's rumor
that he's tookn Mean for bonds, and I would like
some of that stuff. I obviously couldn't have a shame.
Bond would have to be a bit more snappier, and
I don't think fast Spenders young enough now to be bond,
but I wish that happened. And yeah, I don't know
why they haven't worked together. It's kind of like Nolan
and Bail. They did four movies together and they've never
worked together again. I don't understand. Maybe it's just they
feel they've done enough together. But like every time there's
an old movie, I'm like, Okay, is him and Bail
back together? And Nope, it's not. It's not there. And
same thing that's felt like a Denaro Squersse where oh
they're gonna be together forever, and then after twelve years
of slave, it's just they haven't done anything. So I
don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know much about him. But
obviously I was like looking him up a little bit,
and it seems like he's a big advocate for just
more diversity and trying to uplift, you know, like people
of color stuff. So maybe maybe he's like putting just
more black people in like the leading role and not
looking for like the Fastbender to fill in a role
like that. But I don't know. I haven't looked at
the things he's doing. But maybe that's no part of
the reason why.
Speaker 1: Y yeah, it could be it anything else in particular,
before I do trivia and we do our our overall thoughts.
Speaker 2: I think I'm empty like Fastbender many times.
Speaker 5: He was really empty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he has an ever flowing I'll stop there.
Speaker 1: So he was thinking of that train. Am I empty?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: The last scene I really like. I think I have
it in Trivia somewhere. Yeah. I love the sissy singing
scene the cover of New York, New York. It's a
great thing, just the times of Trivia, the scene where
Brandon here's his sister singing. It was the first time. Sorry,
the guy's name is James Badge Dale. What a what
a name? Michael Fastbard ever heard Carrie Milligan sing this
was shot three am in some bar, so that was
a probably probably it's probably like a popular bar in
New York that they could only get at that time.
Or maybe it's just that fill at three am. I
don't know, but Kirkland tear anything else.
Speaker 2: That was the only do you want trivia?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, sorry, I just tied that to Okay. I
just really like the scene. I like it is a
longer scene, but I like the pacing of her singing
you back to Fastbender. It's just this moment of kind
of you know, realize, you know, kind of seeing his
system in that light. Don't don't go to give a
long explanation quick answer for Fastbender's question on the date,
would you rather go back in the past or in
the future? Dull muss He said he wants he wants
me a sixties jazz singer. Remember he's talking about that.
Speaker 2: So how far in the past, how far in the
future for this day?
Speaker 1: You just in the past the future?
Speaker 4: Okay, Taylor, they're gonna go past?
Speaker 5: Okay, Kirkland, is it like a visit or like this
is my new.
Speaker 1: Brandon just threw this question out there.
Speaker 4: I'm go past.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go, yeah, see how the Pyramids were made
and then come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would go past unless they told me you
could like butterfly flex stuff. Then I'm not going because
I don't want to.
Speaker 5: Make it come back with stubs or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to find out how the Pyramids
were made, you just got to watch a very particular
movie from the year nineteen ninety four. Cool.
Speaker 5: I haven't come across that one yet. I haven't come
across that one yet. I'm excited Tria.
Speaker 1: The first time Michael Fastmaner saw this film was with
his father. Both revealed. Both were revealed that cock I
gave him that cock just say hey again God credits
in the first full that was all the jokes. You're
in Oscar, this man just walking around looking like a
near alpha. They should get him in twenty days later
the third one, My god, uh luckily or they were
revealed that the mother could not make the screaming. So yeah,
I don't think you should have.
Speaker 4: What about you guys taking your dad to this? Oh yeah,
you acted in it.
Speaker 1: I'm taking I've had enough a thought of telling certain
people for our second film, like hey, don't watch this,
Like I don't care, I got some nudity in the
second Taylor and I both got nudy in the second film,
And I'm like, I'm especially the context of my nudy,
your nudy, Taylor, yours is I think funny? Mine is
Mine is funny. But I just don't know if my
mom needs to see me in that particular situation. So,
which is funny because talking about shame, there's some stuff
in there.
Speaker 2: But so, yeah, I think you got to watch this
movie alone for it to hit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Commenting on the full front of Nudi,
Michael Fastman said in a twenty eleven interview, it just
baffles me. Woman can parade around naked all the time,
but the guy could only has his pants on. I
remember my mom always complaining about that to me, saying,
this is such bullshit. It's always the women that are naked.
So I did this one for my mom, so I didn't.
Speaker 4: Walk around the house naked for my mom.
Speaker 1: It's something we've joked about for years, right, It's like, oh,
we gotta get more talk on screen, you know, because
twenty days later check all that one.
Speaker 2: Twenty o'cock hashtag o'clock.
Speaker 1: Fastbener was the first and only choice to play the
sleeves There You Go. During a twenty twelve magazine or
New Yorker magazine, Michael Fastmener said that he really urinated
on camera during the scene in which his character was
seen urinating. Usually these are sort of bolly function scenes
assimilated during filming movie, if only because it's difficulty to replicating.
George Clooney, who also was participating the around to ask
for them fast matter how many takes he had to do,
he said three, so he had to, I guess, fill
up that tank and do.
Speaker 2: Three separate tay. I. I thought it was real because
in most movies you go to the toilet instantly peen,
but this it took him like ten to fifteen seconds
to get the get the flow going, and to me,
that felt realistic. I was immersed in the toilet experience.
Speaker 3: There you Go.
Speaker 1: This movie was only shown twenty five days, so you know,
for me making mach in twenty.
Speaker 2: Five that's why you're recording the scene see at three am,
working long as days.
Speaker 1: We gotta go. The Hungary poster was banned as it
showed the title end Semen, which I will bring it
up here if I get rid of us all for
a second. Look you that right there? So and that's
how I thought, is that real?
Speaker 2: Is that a real load?
Speaker 1: Fastbenner's like, yeah, I gotta pee, I gotta do this.
I doubt it's a real load, but you know so.
But yeah, that's a that was banned, but great poster.
Usually a film company, h Fox search Light did not sorry.
Unusually for a film company, Fox search Light did not
appeal the NC seventeen rating. I guess I missmoke not X,
but NC seventeen raining awesome view as box office disaster
for any film. In this case, the company proceved it
as a badge of honor. Let's see. And then finally
the sex scene with Michael Fastbenner and Amy Hargraves. It's
like the worker or no, no, that's the one that's
after the lady where Preskin's the glassroom window in Manhattan's
The Standard Hotel was actually filmed above a busy film
or busy street during the day. Spectators watch while the
two actors in the nude smile and waved at them
from the hotel room from above in between takes. Since
the Standard Hotel opened in New York in two thousand
and nine, it has become notorious for guests engaging public
sexual activity in front of their room windows, sometimes for
entertainment of audiences on the street or in the Highline
park below. The phenomenon has been documented in articles well.
In June twenty thirteen, in China, the same type of hotel,
a Chinese couple fell to their desk while performing a
similar act when the window gave way.
Speaker 4: So they were going.
Speaker 2: But if I feel like that should be illegal, wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I was gonna ask, Yeah, well, if there's like a
child out there or.
Speaker 2: Something like non consenting like sexual I think if.
Speaker 1: You look, because I did look this up yesterday, because
there's still articles about this, like I found one twenty
twenty three, this stuff' still happening. The building is so tall,
it's very it's very just shapely, like you could you
could not I don't think actually looking be like I
guess unless it was an alpha but like that's but
there's other tall buildings like I agree, I agree, but
that's I guess this is what happens. And it's just
a hotel known for then I guess you're just known
to hey, if you're with a family, don't look up
at the Standard Hotel because.
Speaker 7: Holy fuck, one of those trouts we've had there.
Speaker 1: But mister Field, you'll never have to talk about shame
ever again, hopefully unless we I don't come up, my god,
but no, what is your rating at a ten? Yere?
Speaker 3: You know, conversing with you guys like you've we had
some good conversation and some good points. So it definitely
raised my score up a little bit, like a little bit.
I oh, it's around stimulated. I'm gonna give it a
fully erect six point five out of ten. I thought
I thought I was gonna as best.
Speaker 7: That's what the work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a six point five down here. I'm
looking for the ten, which again we didn't talk about.
He randomly, I don't know why they introduce this Radmily
just says a line of coke right before he goes
in there, so I don't Yeah, the nervous thing where
it's like I'm just trying to get fired up for
this lady here, but yeah, he just just does it
and didn't work out for him.
Speaker 2: So that was crazy. Yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, mister Patzer, Uh yeah, I think I'm a little
bit firmer than Taylor on here.
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Give it a system that's based on the chubber. Yeah,
you should bring that back for the twenty eight years
later sequel. You know, how hard is your score here?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna send point five here. I'm gonna go send
poyt five here. I do think it's a well crafted film.
Some like minor believability things that don't really affect the score,
but I feel the need to point them out because
that's who I am. But yeah, not one. I'm seek
it out and returning to so so definitely, my like
total rating is a combination of like enjoyment as well
as is like critiquing it, and uh, that's where it lies.
So I don't foresee myself ever rewatching this one. I
don't think she is gonna pick this one for h No.
Speaker 1: Watch it with your dad and Shaye like you guys
did with Midsimmar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take your dad, Yeah, put it in imax.
Speaker 1: When Bernie says a screening, we'll go to Bernie's and
watch that.
Speaker 5: With some food, you know, some spaghetti.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no way they play that at Bernie's.
Speaker 1: They played American Psycho, which is not as bad as this,
but like that is a lot of say there's a
three way sex scene in there, you know, the whole
like and like there's and he's like herding girls at
so but I wish, I wish I got to see
this in the theater because again, jokes aside, I love
the color, like the color palette of this I used
to have. I haven't put them up. Remember those movie
pal posters I had when I had all this stuff.
I should request them to shame. It costs a little more,
but I just love those those blues and greens. You know,
it's just there's something about it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely, mister Muss. Yeah, I'm not throbbing, but
I'll give this a nice stiff eight.
Speaker 1: Nice what a scale there? Well, then I'll just have
to close off with a rock hard ten. That's the
route we're gonna have to go there, because that was inevitable.
But yeah, we'll see. It's gonna be tough when we
were visit because we're doing our top ten films, and
I'll definitely say like because it's for favorites, and I'll
definitely say this is all in the bubble because I
love this. But it's also been ten years and there's
been tons of stuff that's come out that's been you know,
really great too. So again, I love this film, but
I also would not be trusted making like the hundred
gray films all time. Shame's not gonna be on there,
but you know for Traslas, who knows. But yeah, I'm
big struggle the last that movie cast and the game cast,
the TV show one. I'm having a struggle getting to ten.
But the movie and video game one, those last like
two saws have been really tough for me of oh, man,
what do I keep? What do I don't? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, should we do that cast the one hundred greatest
movies of all time?
Speaker 1: I'd be down one time when we get to a
GV one hundred, when we go around one hundred years, no,
I think no, Yeah, I mean it's like one hundred years.
But you know, if I'll put them docket for the
for a bread and butter, that that'd be fun to
find out what the like the critique like is it
our list or is it what we think like has
impacted film or like big films.
Speaker 2: You know, like I have to find out later.
Speaker 1: Yeah we will, So, ladies, gentlemen, thank you very much
for going to this journey. I'm glad it's crossed off finally,
all the ten years of talking about it meaning about shames.
Here I'm glad there's some other more memes. I'm glad
I can say dirty hard Drive and these guys will
understand what I'm talking about. Uh, And then yeah, next up?
Who'se are we do? Is it Taylor that I have?
Next up? The doctor there for it is the next
one wrong turn dead and I have had to do.
I never thought I'd be doing looking up trivia for
wrong term, but here I am. And we'll find out
why Taylor picked in what means to him on the
next episode of the GV ten retrospective. Until then, and
we'll be boring b