Speaker 1: I want you to imagine just for a second, that
you are wandering in a scorching, completely barren wasteland, like
the sun is just absolutely relentless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that real oppressive kind of.
Speaker 1: Heat, exactly, the kind of heat that doesn't just warm you,
but it actively assaults you. It's, you know, pulling the
moisture right out of your lungs with every single breath.
You have no math, you have absolutely no agricultural tools,
and you are surrounded by well hundreds of thousands of desperate,
starving people.
Speaker 2: It's a complete nightmare scenario, the total nightmare.
Speaker 1: And you've been out there for decades.
Speaker 2: The only reason you're surviving, like the absolute only reason
your heart is still beating in this desolate healthscape is
because of this mysterious life sustaining substance that just well
falls from the sky.
Speaker 1: Just appears out of nowhere, right, But it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't just fall randomly like rain. It drops on a
hyper strict, completely inflexible, rigorously monitored schedule.
Speaker 1: Which is pretty weird for a natural phenomenon. It's incredibly weird.
But now I want you to raise the stakes of
this mental image. Imagine that the ornate incredibly heavy golden
box carrying the salvation of your people. The very artifact
leading you through this desert also has like a terrifying
side effect.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is where it gets dark.
Speaker 1: Really dark. If you stand too close to it, or
if you touch it without wearing the exact right protective
gear or knowing exactly what you're doing, your body begins
to systematically.
Speaker 2: Break down, just completely fall apart right.
Speaker 1: Your hair starts to fall out in massive clumps, your
fingernails literally detached from the nail beds. Your skin erupts
in these horrific weeping burns. It's gruesome, and shortly after
that your internal organs fail and you die a sudden,
just agonizing death.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So put yourself in the shoes of someone living over
three thousand years ago witnessing all of this firsthand. What
would you call that? I mean, was it the terrifying,
on inspiring wrath of an unpredictable divine creator.
Speaker 2: Or and this is the wild part, if we look
at those exact same symptoms through the lens of modern science,
was it severe acute radiation praising from a compromised piece
of high level technology.
Speaker 1: Which is just a mind bending question. Welcome to thrilling threads.
I'm so glad you're joining us today because today's thread
is going to unravel one of the most famous survival
stories in the history of human civilization.
Speaker 2: But we're looking at it through a highly unorthodox, totally
radical lens today.
Speaker 1: Exactly, our mission for you today is to unpack some
really out there theories presented in an excerpt from the
History Channel's Ancient Alien series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to do that, we have to pull from
some wildly different sources.
Speaker 1: We really do. We're going to cross reference the ancient
Hebrew biblical texts with this incredibly dense esoteric thirteenth century
Kabbalistic text known as the Zohar.
Speaker 2: Which is a fascinating document all on its own.
Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, And then we're going to build a bridge
between those ancient spiritual documents and the radical modern engineering
theories of Georgia. So sooon and Rodney Dale.
Speaker 2: Right, because we are exploring that controversial, really fascinating space
where a profound spiritual miracle could alternatively be interpreted as
well a highly advanced, highly dangerous piece of survival technology.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because before we can even begin
to talk about mysterious scheduled food sources or hypothetical ancient
machines or glowing boxes. We have to understand the sheer,
crushing desperation of the circumstances.
Speaker 2: The context is everything here.
Speaker 1: It is we need to set the historical stage. We
are talking about the geopolitical and personal tensions of the
fourteenth century BC, and frankly, the logistical dread of this
era is something I think most people completely gloss over.
Speaker 2: They absolutely gloss over it. I mean, to understand why
a so called manna machine would even be necessary, You
really have to understand the mechanics of the crisis that
triggered it. The narrative, as it's drived from the Book
of Exodus, details the Jewish people living in Egypt. But
they are suffering immensely as an enslaved population.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's brutal.
Speaker 2: We're talking about an oppressed underclass serving as the brute
force labor engine for a highly structured, highly powerful empire.
But over time their population grows significantly.
Speaker 1: Which makes the rulers very nervous.
Speaker 2: Exactly in the geopolitical landscape of the ancient world, a
rapidly expanding sleeve population creates a very specific, very acute
kind of political anxiety for the ruling class.
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate paranoia of the oppressor. Right, the ruling
pharaoh looks out from his palace at this growing demographic
and he doesn't see human beings. He sees a mathematical
threat to the entire socioeconomic fabric of Egypt.
Speaker 2: He sees an uprising.
Speaker 1: Right, he sees the potential for a rebellion that could
crush his empire from the inside out.
Speaker 2: And that paranoia it metastasizes into one of the most
chilling decrees in ancient history. The pharaoh orders the systematic
murder of all the first born male Jews living in Egypt.
Speaker 1: It's just horrifying to even think.
Speaker 2: About it is. It's a brutal state sponsored attempt at
extreme population control and psychological subjugation. And this horrific policy
sets the states for the origin story of Moses. According
to the text, a mother, driven by the absolute terror
of this death sentence, places her infant in a small
basket and sets him adrift on.
Speaker 1: The Nile River, which, when you really stop to visualize it,
is a staggering act of desperation. You are entrusting your
vulnerable newborn to the chaotic currents of a massive river system,
with all the predators and everything exactly crocodile's unpredictable weather,
all of it, because remaining on dry land is just
a guaranteed death sentence.
Speaker 2: And the ultimate historical irony is where that current actually
deposits him. The child is found by the pharaoh's owne family.
Speaker 1: You can't write that kind of irony, you really can't.
Speaker 2: He is brought into the epicenter of the empire, named Moses,
and raised his Egyptian royalty. He gets the elite education,
the high calorie diet, the privilege.
Speaker 1: The absolute highest echelon society.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the untouchable status. He essentially becomes a prince of
the very society that is systematically brutalizing his genetic ancestors.
Speaker 1: I always try to imagine the psychological toll of that realization.
I mean, you grow up thinking you are basically a
god among men. You wear the fine linens, you eat
the banquets, you command armies, you have everything, everything, and
then one day the illusion shatters. You realize your entire
life of royal privilege is built on the broken backs
of your actual people who are out there, you know,
making mud bricks under the whip.
Speaker 2: It's a massive identity crisis, that.
Speaker 1: Level of psychological whiplash. It's no wonder. It leads to
an explosive, violent confrontation.
Speaker 2: Oh it acts as the primary catalyst for the entire
exodus event. Moses leverages his unique proximity to power. He
goes directly to the Pharaoh and makes the legendary demand
for the unconditional freedom of his people, Let my people
go exactly. But the Pharaoh rejects this demand, and this
rejection initiate to the Ten Plagues, which are basically a
sequence of catastrophic ecological and societal systemic failures, and that
eventually breaks the Pharaoh's resolve, leading to the chaotic, massive
escape of the Israelites from Egypt. They cross the Red Sea,
effectively severing their ties to the empire, and they flee
directly into the unforgiving landscape of the Sinai Desert.
Speaker 1: And this is where the traditional story usually cuts to
like a montage of wandering. But I want to stop
and look at the pure math of this situation, because
the logistics here are mathematically terrifying. They really are imagine
taking an entire modern metropolis. Historians estimate the fleeing population
at anywhere from hundreds of thousands to potentially over a
million people.
Speaker 2: That's a massive crowd.
Speaker 1: It's huge. Imagine picking up the entire population of Austin,
Texas or San Francisco and overnight just dropping them into
the middle of Death Valley with nothing, literally nothing, no
grocery stores, no pre established supply chains, no water infrastructure.
How do you even begin to manage that?
Speaker 2: You don't, you face an immediate total systemic collapse. The
transition here's the key factor. Yeah, these people were an
agrarian slave society, right.
Speaker 1: They were used to a very specific environment.
Speaker 2: Yes, they were oppressed, but they lived in the fertile
Nile River valley. The Nile is arguably the most reliable
agricultural engine in the ancient world. They understood farming, they
understood river flooding cycles. They had predictable, heavily managed.
Speaker 1: Rational he knew how to survive there.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and within a matter of days they are plunged
into a purely nomadic life in an arid, hostile desert
environment where absolutely none of their previous agricultural knowledge applies.
Speaker 1: You can't plant wheat in shifting sand.
Speaker 2: No you cannot irrigate without a river. The logistical nightmare
is absolute.
Speaker 1: So you have this massive population entirely displaced, suffering from
the deep trauma of slavery followed by a harrowing, violent escape.
They are physically exhausting.
Speaker 2: Exhaust lost it, and terrified.
Speaker 1: Now they're looking around at a landscape composed entirely of rocks,
scrub brush, and sand. The starvation clock doesn't just start ticking,
it's practically ringing the alarm from day one.
Speaker 2: It is an immediate crisis of caloric intake and hydration.
Let's break down the numbers. An average adult requires roughly
two thousand calories and several liters of water a day
just to maintain basic physiological function, just to exist right,
let alone to march across a desert. So multiply that
by hundreds of thousands of people. You are talking about
the need for thousands of tons of food and millions
of liters of water every single week.
Speaker 1: It's unfathomable.
Speaker 2: This immense, crushing stress fractures the community almost instantly. According
to the ancient texts, the Israelites, terrified and starving, begin
to violently rebel against Moses.
Speaker 1: I mean you can't really blame them.
Speaker 2: No desperation does that. They fall into idle worship. They
actually begin to long for the predictability of Egypt. They
openly state that even slavery was better than this, because
slavery at least came with a guaranteed daily meal.
Speaker 1: Which forces the narrative into the famous forty year penalty.
They are condemned to wander the desert aimlessly for four
decades before they are permitted to enter the promised land.
Speaker 2: Of Israel, a harsh punishment.
Speaker 1: But here is the logical paradox, right, You can't punish
a population by making them wander for forty years. If
they all starve to death in the first three weeks exactly,
the pharaoh's army is completely out of the picture. Now
the immediate existential threat is mass starvation, and that brings
us to the ultimate historically baffling supply chain solution Manna.
Speaker 2: Precisely, when the threat shifted from the swords of the
Egyptian charioteers to the harsh thermodynamic reality of the desert,
a massive, unprecedented intervention was required.
Speaker 1: Something had to give, right.
Speaker 2: Historian Tutor Parfitt, who was featured heavily in the source
material we're examining breaks down this critical juncture. He points
out that given the sheer volume of Israelites and their
utter lack of agricultural capacity in the Sinai, they naturally
exhausted whatever meager portable supplies they managed to carry out
of Egypt very quickly.
Speaker 1: They probably ate through it in days.
Speaker 2: At this point of absolute zero, the biblical text states
that God stepped in to provide manna from.
Speaker 1: Heaven, the ultimate divine catering service. But the way it's
described in the Biblical text is so specific. It's not
like a lush forest of fruit trees suddenly sprang up
out of the sand dunes to sustain them.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. It's described as taking the form
of a fine flakelike substance or seed that rained down
upon the desert camp overnight, just covering the ground. Yeah,
the people would wake up in the morning and the
ground would be covered in this material. They were instructed
to go out collect it, grind it, bake it into cakes,
or boil it, and they had to do this every
single day.
Speaker 1: But it's the schedule that completely derails any conventional naturalistic explanation.
For me what do you mean, Well, this wasn't just
a random weather event or a seasonal harvest. There was
a hyper sh strict, rigid schedule to this delivery. It
fell predictably six days a week, but on Friday, exactly
a double portion fell, right, the double portion? And why
the double portion on Friday? Because absolutely nothing fell on Saturday,
which was the Sabbath. Let's just think about that for
a second. Nature apparently observed the human weekend.
Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is if we analyze this critically, Nature
does not observe human religious calendars. Nature doesn't care what
day of the week it is.
Speaker 1: Right, A rain cloud doesn't say, oh it's Saturday, I'll
hold off exactly.
Speaker 2: Some historians and botanists have proposed naturalistic theories. You know,
for example, that manna was actually a sweet crystallized resin
excreted by scale insects feeding on the bark of tamorusk
bushes in the Sinai.
Speaker 1: I've heard that one.
Speaker 2: And while that resin does exist, a biological excretion from
an insect does not mathematically double its output on a
Friday and completely cleanly halt all production on.
Speaker 1: A Saturday, exactly if it's just a miraculous seed blowing
in the wind, or bugs leaving sticky resin on a bush.
It doesn't clock out for the Sabbath.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't make sense biologically.
Speaker 1: The Friday double portion rule is so specific, so deliberate.
Think about the required mechanics of that. It sounds exactly
like an automated, pre programmed meal delivery.
Speaker 2: Service, like a machine.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like setting a smart feeder for your pet.
It dispenses two scoops on Friday, so the machine can
power down on Saturday without the pet starving. It requires foresight,
an internal clock programming, and a mechanism of distribution that
goes entirely beyond a random atmospheric or biological anomaly.
Speaker 2: It requires intent and mechanical precision. And the roadblock we
run into as modern readers is that the Hebrew Bible,
while deeply profound in its overarching theological narrative, is incredibly
opaque about the actual mechanics of how this manna was produced.
Speaker 1: It's very light on the technical details.
Speaker 2: The Book of Exodus tells us the what's manifl and
the why to keep the people alive while observing the Sabbath.
It completely leaves out the how. It just broadly states
that came from heaven.
Speaker 1: Which leaves us with a giant historical and mechanical blind spot.
If we want to figure out how the scheduled automated
delivery actually worked, we have to leave the vague descriptions
of Exodus behind. We have to look at a different text,
a very different tech, a text that gets startlingly, almost
uncomfortably specific about the source of the Manna. We have
to dive into the deep end of Jewish mysticism.
Speaker 2: We have to look at the Zohar. The Zohar is
a foundational collection of spiritual commentaries and esoteric interpretations of
the Torah.
Speaker 1: And when was this written.
Speaker 2: It was compiled and written in the thirteenth century in Spain,
and it is the absolute central text to the mystical
belief system known as Kabbala. It's a text entirely designed
to explore the hidden, deeper invisible mechanics of the divine universe.
Speaker 1: And nestled inside this incredibly dense, highly mystical thirteenth century
text is a description of an entity that the authors
explicitly claim is the actual physical source of the Manna. Yes,
they refer to it as the Ancient of days. And
let me tell you the way they describe this Ancient
of days it is wild.
Speaker 2: It is entirely alien to any traditional reading of the Bible.
The Zohar describes the Ancient of days in bizarre, hyper
detailed anatomical terms.
Speaker 1: Like biological terms.
Speaker 2: Right. The text speaks of different sized brains, It describes
multiple different sized faces. Crucially, it dictates that these brains
and faces were connected to one another by various complex tubes,
and it specifically mentions different light sources illuminating these different
internal components.
Speaker 1: Okay, stop and visualize that for a second. Brains, faces, tubes,
and lights connected together dropping food from the sky. It
sounds like science fiction.
Speaker 2: Yes, it really does. Now. I want to be clear
about the traditional theological interpretation of this, because it is
a beautiful, deeply respected way to read a mystical text.
Of course, theologians and cabalistic scholars suggest that this is
high level spiritual allegory. They argue that this is a
metaphorical description of God utilizing the absolute limits of human
language to try and map the infinite.
Speaker 1: So it's symbolic exactly.
Speaker 2: In this reading, the tubes might represent the invisible conduits
of divine grace flowing into the world. The lights might
represent different emanations of divine wisdom or creation.
Speaker 1: But I want to push back on the metaphor for
a second. Let's try a thought experiment. Imagine a medieval
blacksmith in the thirteenth century or an ancient scribe living
thousands of years earlier.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm picturing it.
Speaker 1: Imagine a time traveler drops a modern internal combustion V
eight car engine right in front of them and tells
them to write down exactly what they are looking at
so future generations can rebuild it.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't have the vocabulary exactly.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting. They don't have the
words piston or fuel injector, or alternator or exhaust manifold.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't know what any of that was.
Speaker 1: No, so they would have to use the only complex,
systemic vocabulary they possessed, which was human and animal biology.
Speaker 2: Right drawing from what they know so to.
Speaker 1: That ancient scribe. The rubber fuel lines and valves become
veins and arteries. The metallic pistons moving up and down
become pumping hearts. The electrical wiring harness becomes a nervous system,
the central processing unit becomes a brain.
Speaker 2: And the headlights become glowing eyes and a metal face.
Speaker 1: Exactly is it possible that the authors of the Zohar
weren't writing spiritual poetry at all? What if they were
painstakingly transcribing an ancient, highly complex engineering schematic, and the
only way they knew how to document it was by
using the terminology of human anatomy.
Speaker 2: That is the exact crux of the argument presented by
the researchers in the Ancient Aliens excerpt. When you freak
away the assumption of metaphor and look at the Zohar
from a modern, strictly literalist perspective, what is being described
isn't necessarily a metaphorical, incomprehensible God figure.
Speaker 1: It's something physical.
Speaker 2: It reads exactly like a blueprint for an industrial machine,
a massive machine with contained chambers described as brains, and
fluid conduits described as tubes, and high energy outputs described
as lights.
Speaker 1: And this isn't just a fun late night dorm room
thought experiment. This exact premise, treating an ancient mystical biological
text as a literal engineering blueprint is precisely what two
modern experts decided to put to the ultimate test.
Speaker 2: Right, this thread moves us from thirteenth century mysticism directly
into twentieth century theoretical engineering.
Speaker 1: It's quite a jump, it is.
Speaker 2: Two British engineers, George Sassoon and Rodney Dale, became utterly
fascinated by this concept. They took the dense anatomical descriptions
of the ancient of days from the Zohar and attempted
to literally mathematically reverse engineer.
Speaker 1: It, like, actually build a model.
Speaker 2: Yes, they wanted to see if building what the text
described part for part would actually result in a functional,
thermodynamically viable piece of technology. They called their theoretical design
the Manna Machine.
Speaker 1: And they didn't just draw a fanciful sci fi they
actually mapped it out. They looked at the English translation
of the Aramaic text and started assigning rigorous mechanical values
to the biological words.
Speaker 2: They did. Rodney Dale, in his research explains how they
built up the key diagram of the machine directly from
the sequence of the text. Let's break down the specific
translations they made, because it's fascinating how the biology maps
to the mechanics.
Speaker 1: Okay, lay it on me.
Speaker 2: So the Zoharer mentions a prominent mouth that takes in
the breath of life. So soon nin Dale interpreted this
not as a literal mouth breathing oxygen, but as a
massive air intake valve for a mechanical ventilation system.
Speaker 1: Okay, I buy the mouth as an air intake. That
makes logical sense. Air goes in, breath goes in. But
a brain, unless we're talking about a central computer, how
does a biological brain map to a mechanical process that
produces food?
Speaker 2: This is where they're engineering background shines. The text describes
the air traveling up from the mouth through a tube
into what the Zohar calls the brain of the angel.
In Sassoon and Dale's engineering model, that brain functions perfectly
as a dew still.
Speaker 1: I need you to explain a do still because that
sounds like something out of a survivalist handbook, and I
want to understand the actual physics of how it works
in a desert.
Speaker 2: A dow still is a very real, very vital piece
of survival technology used to condense moisture from the surrounding
atmospheric air. Okay, it relies on thermodynamics in a desert
like the cinide. The days are blisteringly hot, but the
nights are incredibly cold due to the lack of cloud
cover and humidity to trap the heat.
Speaker 1: Right, the temperature drop is huge, exactly.
Speaker 2: So the machines intake the mouth pulls in the ambient
desert air inside the machine. This air hits a surface
that is significantly cooler than the ambient air temperature, likely
chilled by radiat of cooling during the night.
Speaker 1: And what happens when the hot air hits the cold.
Speaker 2: Surface As the air cools its capacity to hold water,
vapor drops. When the air temperature hits the dew point,
the invisible water vapor condenses into liquid water droplets on
the surf of the still Oh wow. So the brain
of this machine is essentially an industrial scale atmospheric water generator,
pulling pure drinkable water directly out of the thin desert air.
Speaker 1: That is brilliant. Okay, So the mounts of the fan
the tube is the ducwork, the brain is the condenser exactly.
But the Zohar is full of other really poetic weird phrases.
It talks about the great Sea and the hairs of
the beard. How on earth do you engineer a beard,
what is the mechanical equivalent of facial hair.
Speaker 2: That's where their approach was particularly clever, and where they
avoided falling into the trap of making everything a literal
gear or lever.
Speaker 1: They realized it wasn't all moving parts, right.
Speaker 2: They realized that phrases like the great sea and the
hairs of the beard weren't necessarily functional moving parts of
the machine, but rather precise spatial references.
Speaker 1: Oh like coordinates exactly.
Speaker 2: The authors of the text were using these features to
calculate the relative positions and cheometry of the parts, just
as you might say below the chin or parallel to
the hairline to describe where something is on a human face.
The text used these biological landmarks to explain the structural
architecture of the machine.
Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2: By following these spatial relationships, tracing the lines from the
beard to the sea, so Soon and Dale were able
to build up a full three dimensional geometric specification of
the machine.
Speaker 1: And the craziest part of all of this is that
when they put all these interpreted parts together, the air intake,
the thermodynamics of the condenser, the complex geometry, they didn't
just get a hunk of non functional metal.
Speaker 2: No, they didn't.
Speaker 1: They arrived at a closed loop system that they claimed
was totally biochemically viable.
Speaker 2: Yes. They consulted with various researchers, including a scholar named
Peter Febag, to understand how this engineered system would actually
produce a consumable food.
Speaker 1: Product, because at the end of the day, you have
to eat something.
Speaker 2: Right, and according to Febag's interpretation of the collected data,
the process was highly sophisticated but entirely grounded in real,
verifiable biology.
Speaker 1: So how did it work.
Speaker 2: The machine would take in the moist morning air of
the desert. It would pull that air into a specific
central chamber, which is described in the ancient texts in
a way that implies a transparent plexiglass like dome or
cultivation tank, a transparent dome. Inside this pressurized dome, the
pure distilled water from the dew still would mix with
a biological seed culture of algae algae.
Speaker 1: I have to be honest, if I'm wandering the desert
for forty years, completely exhausted, I am really hoping for
a burger or at least some hardy bread, not a
bowl of green pond scum.
Speaker 2: From a purely culinary perspective, it might be lacking in texture,
but from a brutal survival and biochemical perspective, algae is
an absolute masterpiece. Oh yeah, it is arguably the perfect
survival food. Certain specific strains of green algae, like Chlorilla
or Spirillina, are unbelievably nutrient.
Speaker 1: Dense, like superfoods.
Speaker 2: Exactly. They are packed with complete proteins, meaning they contain
all the essential amino acids the human body cannot produce
on its own. They are rich in essential vitamins, lipids,
and carbohydrates.
Speaker 1: But why algae specifically, I mean, why not engineer a
machine that rapidly grows wheat or soy.
Speaker 2: Because of the cellular mechanics of reproduction, algae grows at
an explosive, almost violent rate compared to traditional.
Speaker 1: Agriculture, faster than wheat, obviously much faster.
Speaker 2: It is a single celled organism, meaning it doesn't have
to waste energy growing roots, stems, or leaves. Every single
cell is dedicated to photosynthesis and reproduction.
Speaker 1: It's just a pure growth machine, right.
Speaker 2: It divides and multiplies incredibly fast if it has the
optimal conditions a water medium, a carbon source, and light
for a wandering desert population constantly on the move. You
do not have the luxury of time. But plant a
field of wheat, irrigate it, and wait six months for
a harvest.
Speaker 1: You'd be dead before the first sprout.
Speaker 2: Exactly, you need a food source that regenerates its entire
biomass daily. Algae can double its and leng than twenty
four hours under the right conditions.
Speaker 1: Okay, I follow the biology. The dew still extracts the
water it mixes with the algae seed culture in this
massive dome. But algae requires sunlight to photosynthesize.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 1: And if this machine is enclosed to protect it from
the desert sand, or if it needs to work faster
than normal ambient sunlight allows, how does it grow enough
food to feed hundreds of thousands of people overnight? Remember
the logistics we talked about earlier. They wake up and
collect it every single morning.
Speaker 2: That is exactly where the Zohar's strange mention of different
light sources illuminating the internal brains comes into play. The lights, yes,
Febag explains that the algae culture wasn't just sitting in
the sun. It was actively treated with highly concentrated energy
specifically something it came to a strong tunable laser light
or high intensity LED array.
Speaker 1: Wait there were shining lasers on the ponds.
Speaker 2: Come essentially yes. By applying high intensity, specific wavelengths of light,
usually in the red spectrums, directly into the culture, you
can vastly accelerate the photosynthetic yield.
Speaker 1: Like steroids for algae.
Speaker 2: Pretty much you are essentially force feeding the algae pure
light energy, forcing it to bloom at unnatural, hyper accelerated speeds.
It guarantees a massive, mathematically predictable harvest every single day,
right on the automated schedule.
Speaker 1: So if we trace this entire mechanical translation from start tofinic,
what are we actually looking at? We are legitimately talking
about the theory that someone in the fourteenth century BC
was operating a fully automated, fully enclosed hydroponic algae bioreactor.
Speaker 2: That is exactly what sassoon Dale and Febag are costulating,
a highly advanced closed loop survival bioreactor capable of synthesizing
pure atmospheric water and light into highly dense coloric biomass.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have to step in and push back on
the sheer physical scale of this because the math is
starting to break down in my head.
Speaker 2: It's a lot to process.
Speaker 1: We are talking about feeding hundreds of thousands of people.
Let's be incredibly conservative and say there were only six
hundred thousand people. Even if spirellina is the ultimate superfood,
you would need massive quantities of it. A human still
needs a certain volume of physical food. You would need
literal tons of wet algae every single day to keep
a population that size from starving to death. How big
would this machine or this plexiglass dome have to be.
Speaker 2: You would have to be enormous.
Speaker 1: Right, If it's producing thousands of tons of wet biomass
every night, the physical footprint of this device must have
been the size of a modern football stadium or at
least a massive industrial complex. How could a nomadic tribe
possibly pack that up and carry it with them across
the Sinai.
Speaker 2: The scale is undeniably one of the most challenging problematic
aspects of the theory. There are really only two logical
engineering solutions which are either it was, as you said,
an enormous, multipart modular installation that required thousands of people
to transport and reassemble every time they.
Speaker 1: Moved camp like a massive traveling factory, right.
Speaker 2: Or we are talking about an incredibly efficient, hypercompressed biological
process utilizing nanotechnology or energy to matter conversion that we
fundamentally do not fully understand yet.
Speaker 1: Which feels like a huge stretch.
Speaker 2: It pushes the boundaries of the theory to the absolute limit.
But remarkably, even more pressing than the physical size of
the machine, is the sheer thermodynamic energy requirement.
Speaker 1: Right, Because you can't just plug a massive industrial laser
array and a climate controlled building sized dew still into
a sand dune exactly.
Speaker 2: The laws of thermodynamics still apply. Growing that much algae
that quickly requires a massive, continuous, uninterrupted amount of raw energy.
Speaker 1: Where do they get it.
Speaker 2: To power a strong laser light, to run massive mechanical
intake fans, to manage the extreme temperature differentials of the
dew still? Where do wandering nomads get that kind of
sheer electrical or thermal power in the middle of Seini
Desert three thousand years ago, they didn't.
Speaker 1: Have coal fired power plants, they didn't have sprawling fields
of solar panels. High tech, industrial scale machine absolutely requires
a high tech, industrial scale power source it's.
Speaker 2: The biggest missing puzzle piece.
Speaker 1: And this brings us to what I think is the
most thrilling and frankly the most terrifying thread of this
entire exploration, the power supply. How do you fuel a miracle?
Speaker 2: Rodney Dale addressed this massive energy deficit directly in his research.
He postulated that to produce the immense sustained energy both
the extreme heat required for the thermal gradients and the
intense light required to cultivate the algae at that massive scale,
the Man machine could not have been powered by chemical combustion.
Speaker 1: Fire just wouldn't cut it.
Speaker 2: No, it was likely powered by a compact nuclear reactor.
Speaker 1: A nuclear reactor. I just want you, the listener, to
let that phrase sink. In a nuclear reactor operating in
the Cyanide desert during the Bronze Age.
Speaker 2: It's a massive, almost incomprehensible leap, but structurally, purely from
an engineering standpoint, it fulfills the exact energy requirements perfectly.
Speaker 1: How So, a.
Speaker 2: Compact perhaps radioisotope thermal electric generator or a small fission
reactor would produce exactly what the machine needs, an immense sustained,
reliable output of thermal energy to manage the dew still
and drive the biological processes.
Speaker 1: And the electricity for the lights.
Speaker 2: Exactly the raw electrical power required to run the intense
light sources. But as Peter Fabek explicitly points out in
his analysis, utilizing nuclear energy comes with extreme, potentially.
Speaker 1: Catastrophic risks radiation.
Speaker 2: Yes, he warns that the Manna Machine, because the very
nature of its power source, was a very, very dangerous
device to be around.
Speaker 1: So if you generate that much lethal radioactive energy, you
instantly have a severe containment problem. And if we look
historically at the Exodus narrative, there is exactly one highly lethal,
heavily guarded containment vessel from this exact.
Speaker 2: Era which brings us to Georgia.
Speaker 1: A suclose right, because if you have a nuclear reactor
in the desert, you can't just carry it around in
a leather backpack. You need a highly specialized, heavily shielded
containment vessel.
Speaker 2: Get a vault, and.
Speaker 1: Succulows theorizes that this nuclear reactor was transported inside one
of the most famous, most fiercely protected, and most deeply
mysterious artifacts in human history, the legendary Arc of the Covenant.
Speaker 2: This is the exact moment where the ancient texts and
modern nuclear physics have a truly frightening one to one correlation.
Let's look closely at the Arc of the Covenant.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: According to the Bible, it was an ornate, heavy wooden
chest overlaid with gold, designed to carry the stone tablets
of the Ten Commandments. But the way the Israelites interacted
with it goes far beyond religious reverence.
Speaker 1: They're terrified of it.
Speaker 2: It was treated with an extreme level of caution that
borders on sheer existential terror. It was kept entirely isolated
from the general population. Only very specific priests wearing highly
specialized mandatory clothing were allowed anywhere near it.
Speaker 1: And if you messed up.
Speaker 2: If you didn't follow the operational protocols perfectly, there was
sults were instantly lethal.
Speaker 1: The Bible specifically details an incident where a man reaches
out to steady the arc when it's falling and he
is instantly smitten to death, like he just drops dead,
just gone. That's not a curse. That sounds like an
electrical arc or a massive lethal dose of radiation.
Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture of radiation,
we have to look closely at the specific physiological symptoms
described in the ancient texts regarding encounters with the ARC.
It wasn't just sudden, unexplained death.
Speaker 1: There is sickness too.
Speaker 2: Suclose points out that there are references in various apocryphal
and historical texts to people who encountered the ARC starting
to suffer from very specific maladies. They started to lose
their fingernails, They started to lose their hair in large clumps.
They developed severe weeping sores and lesions on their skin.
Speaker 1: Which is chilling because those aren't random poetic plagues. Those
aren't vague mystical curses like darkness fell over him. Those
are incredibly specific medical symptoms.
Speaker 2: They are textbook, medically precise symptoms of severe acute radiation syndrome.
Let's explain why that happens. Do When the human body
is exposed to a massive dose of ionizing radiation, which
is energy high enough to literally strip electrons from atoms,
it attacks the body at a cellular level. Specifically, ionizing
radiation breaks the DNA chains inside your cells.
Speaker 1: It just shatters the DNA.
Speaker 2: Yes, and when your DNA is shattered, your cells can
no longer properly divide and replicate. Therefore, the rapidly dividing
cells in the human body are always the first to
fail and die under radiation exposure.
Speaker 1: And what are the fastest replicating cells in the human body.
Speaker 2: Your hair follicles, your nail beds, your skin, and the
lining of your stomach. Oh my god, that is exactly
why under heavy radiation exposure, hair follicles fail and hair
falls out in clumps. That's why the nail beds die
and your nails physically detached from your fingers. That is
why the skin erupts in burns and lesions.
Speaker 1: It's horrifying.
Speaker 2: The high enough dose, your internal organs, specifically your gastrointestinal
tract fail entirely, resulting in sudden agonizing death, or as
the ancients called it, being smitten to death.
Speaker 1: So it maps perfectly.
Speaker 2: Suculos argues that we have direct physiological textual evidence of
radiation poisoning and it correlates perfectly symptom for symptom with
proximity of the ark of the Covenant.
Speaker 1: I mean, wait, I have to step back for a second, because,
just representing you, the listener, I have to voice the
pure rational disbelief here, it's a lot to swallow. A
working nuclear reactor in the fourteenth century BC hidden inside
a gold box. How could an ancient nomadic tribe possibly
transport a nuclear reactor safely without irradiating the entire camp.
Speaker 2: That's a fair question.
Speaker 1: If the arc was the containment vessel, how did it
physically shield them from the gamma rays.
Speaker 2: It's an excellent, necessary question, and answering it requires looking
at the actual physical construction of the arc itself, as
mandated in the Book of Exodus.
Speaker 1: How is it built?
Speaker 2: According to the strict biblical instructions, the arc was made
of acacia wood and heavily overlaid inside and out with
thick plates of pure gold. Now, let's look at that
from a modern metallurgical and physics standpoint.
Speaker 1: Okay, gold and wood.
Speaker 2: Gold is one of the densest nationally occurring elements on
the periodic table. It has a very high atomic number,
which means it has a massive, dense cloud of electrons.
Speaker 1: Ok.
Speaker 2: In modern times we typically use lead for radiation shielding
because it is dense, malleable, and very cheap. But gold
is actually significantly denser than lead. Yes, that massive electron
cloud in gold is incredibly effective at scattering and absorbing
high frequency gamma rays, a process called gamma ray attenuation.
A thick layer of pure gold would act as a
highly effective premium radiation shield for a small nuclear source.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? So? The materials prescribed directly by
God for building this holy relic just happened to be
the exact optimal materials a nuclear engineer would choose to
build a portable radiation containment unit.
Speaker 2: That is the core of the theory. The gold acts
as the gamma ray shield. Furthermore, the thick acacia wood
sandwich between the gold layers would act as a perfect
thermal insulator and a neutron moderator, absorbing stray neutrons and
preventing the outside of the box from becoming dangerously hot.
Speaker 1: That is mind blowing, But what about the priests. They
had to go near it, they had to move it.
Speaker 2: That leads to the specialized clothing. The high priests had
to wear very specific garments, including a breastplate containing specific
dense stones like shielding. Theoretically, this could be interpreted as
primitive hazmat suits or radiation shielding aprons, functioning much like
the heavy lead apron a dental hygienis puts on your
chest before taking an X ray.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: When you compile all these protocols, the strict isolation of
the arc in a specialized tent, the rigid rules about
who could approach it, the lethal consequences of unauthorized access,
the golden wood construction, and the incredibly specific physiological symptoms
of those who got too close, it paints a vivid,
terrifying picture.
Speaker 1: It really does.
Speaker 2: It looks exactly like a society trying to manage an
incredibly volatile, highly radioactive power source without fully understanding the
underlying quantum physics of what.
Speaker 1: They were dealing with the realization that a revered holy artifact,
something millions upon millions of people consider the literal sacred
throne of God on Earth, might have actually been a utilitarian,
highly dangerous, golden woodlined containment box for a nuclear battery.
Speaker 2: It changes everything.
Speaker 1: It completely forces you to re evaluate the entire Exodus
story from the ground up. It takes the narrative out
of the realm of magic and divine intervention and drops
it firmly into the realm of hard, dangerous, desperate science.
Speaker 2: It absolutely does. It suggests a profound technological inhericance, or
perhaps an intervention from an outside source. It reframes Moses,
how so he's no longer just a spiritual leader delivering sermons.
He is a desperate project manager trying to operate highly volatile,
decaying technology to keep a massive starving population alive in
an environment that should have mathematically killed them all.
Speaker 1: It grounds the miracles in thermodynamics, biology, and nuclear engineering exactly.
It's an incredibly dense, mind expanding thread we've unspooled today.
Just think about the wild journey we just took.
Speaker 2: It's been quite the ride.
Speaker 1: We started with the sheer logistical terror of a desperate,
traumatized population making a chaotic escape from slavery into a
completely barren desert environment facing imminent mass starvation. Then we
examined the historical and logical anomaly of an automated, strictly
scheduled food drop that rains down every day but mathematically
doubles its output right before taking the Sabbath off.
Speaker 2: We then trace the mechanics of that mystery directly to
the thirteenth century mystical Zohar, examining the bizarre, highly detailed
anatomical descriptions of the ancient.
Speaker 1: Of days, the brains and the tubes.
Speaker 2: We saw how modern engineers, George said soon in Rodney Dale,
broke past the spiritual metaphor and treated that biological text
as an engineering schematic. They mathematically reverse engineered it into
a biochemically viable manna.
Speaker 1: Machine, an automated industrial scale hydroponic algae farm, utilizing the
thermodynamics of a do still in advanced accelerated light technology.
Speaker 2: And finally, we follow the immense energy required to run
that massive machine right to the ark of the Covenant.
We explored the chilling physics back theory that this holy
relic was actually a heavy metal containment vessel for a
nuclear reactor.
Speaker 1: A theory supported by the ancient texts describing people dropping
dead and suffering from hair loss and skin lesions, which
map perfectly to the exact medical symptoms of acute radiation poisonous.
Speaker 2: Now, before we conclude, it is absolutely vital that we
state this clearly. We are not confirming these theories as
absolute historical truth. Definitely not, nor are we trying in
any way to diminish the profound, spiritual, cultural, and theological
significance of the Hebrew Bible or the deeply complex capitalistic traditions.
The spiritual truths found in these texts have guided and
comforted billions of people from millennia.
Speaker 1: We are just presenting the data.
Speaker 2: What we are doing today is simply sharing the fascinating
alternative perspectives presented by these researchers, engineers, and the historical
text themselves. We are highlighting the incredible mechanics of human interpretation.
Speaker 1: Right how the exact same text can be viewed as
a beautiful, transcendent divine metaphor by a theologian and as
a literal nuts and bolt mechanical blueprint by an engineer. Exactly,
we are looking at how our understanding of the universe
attempts to bridge the vast gap between divine miracle and
advanced technology. And that is exactly where we want to
turn the conversation directly over to you, because this thread
leaves us with a massive, lingering philosophical question that we
really want you to answer.
Speaker 2: It really does. It challenges how we view our ancestors,
their cognitive abilities, and their capacity to accurately record history
when faced with the inexplicable.
Speaker 1: So here's our question for you to mul over today.
When you look at these incredibly bizarre, highly detailed ancient
texts like the Zohar's description of the Ancient of days
with its interconnected tubes and glowing lights and multiple brains.
What do you think is actually happening?
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 1: Do you think our ancient ancestors were witnessing actual advanced
physical machinery and they were desperately trying to describe it
for future generations using the only complex, systemic vocabulary they had,
which was the human body.
Speaker 2: Or and this is the flip side, is this just
a classic case of modern minds and entirely obsessed with
our own modern technology, projecting our current understanding of machines
backward onto ancient, beautiful, purely spiritual metaphors.
Speaker 1: Are we just seeing engines in the clouds because we
know what engines look like? Where do you stand on this?
Speaker 2: It's a fundamental question of whether history is trying to
tell us a literal technological story we just aren't quite
ready to hear, or if we're merely reflecting our modern
industrial anxieties back onto the sacred texts of the past.
Speaker 1: We really want to know what you think. Drop down
and leave a comment below with your thoughts. Let's keep
this conversation going because the implications of either answer are
absolutely staggering.
Speaker 2: Thank you for exploring this with us. It's always fascinating
to see where the evidence leads when you force yourself
to look at it from a completely different angle.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you for joining us for today's thrilling threads.
And remember, sometimes the line between a miracle and a
machine is just a matter of translation.