Speaker 1: For thirty five years, Cindy Stumpo has been a female
Speaker 1: homebuilder with a passion for design, a mastery of detail,
Speaker 1: and a commitment to her crack. With daughter Samantha Stumpo
Speaker 1: by her side, I don't need my whole.
Speaker 2: Family on a date with me.
Speaker 3: That's a good note.
Speaker 2: It's godamn weird. See.
Speaker 1: Stumpo Development is the only second generation female construction company
Speaker 1: in the country.
Speaker 3: You're crazy, You're a wacko, You're insane. I mean, it
Speaker 3: just doesn't end together.
Speaker 1: Cindy and Samantha welcome guest to explore the world of construction,
Speaker 1: real estate, development, design and more. Unpredictable.
Speaker 3: Every time I think I know what you want, you'd
Speaker 3: switch it out.
Speaker 1: But that's what makes your houses all your day. Discuss
Speaker 1: anything that happens between the roof and the foundation. Nothing
Speaker 1: is off limits.
Speaker 3: You truly do care about everybody. She can yell at
Speaker 3: chi can.
Speaker 1: Scream, but when you get her alone, she's the best
Speaker 1: person on the planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as nails.
Speaker 2: Welpa, since Stubboro tells nails on wv Z, we definitely
Speaker 2: know who Cindy Stumpo is. Who's this lovely beautiful woman
Speaker 2: industry right now?
Speaker 4: Thank you. My name is Linda.
Speaker 2: Linda. How did you end up in my studio?
Speaker 4: I actually contacted you because you had casually mentioned that
Speaker 4: you had suffered with panic attacks?
Speaker 2: How'd that come out?
Speaker 4: How did it come out?
Speaker 2: In?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How'd you and I talk?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: I don't know?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I was never talked.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I've had a conversation till right now.
Speaker 4: That's correct.
Speaker 2: So how did you find me?
Speaker 4: I found you because I am a fan of your show,
Speaker 4: and I listened to many of your shows, and you
Speaker 4: casually mentioned frequently that you suffer with panic attacks. And
Speaker 4: I suffered from my first panic attack in March of
Speaker 4: this year. And once you're diagnosed with something like that,
Speaker 4: you want to find out everything you can about how
Speaker 4: you can get through it and what's the best way.
Speaker 4: So therefore I called the show.
Speaker 2: And you spoke to my producer.
Speaker 4: I did, and I said, did Cindy do a specific
Speaker 4: show on panic attacks? Or would she? How can I
Speaker 4: get more information because I've experienced them and I need help.
Speaker 2: So you want help from somebody that can't find help
Speaker 2: on their own. Let me just get this story straight, right,
Speaker 2: it's not alone. Okay, So basically, you've been listening to
Speaker 2: a show I don't know how many years. We've been
Speaker 2: on the air, for seven years, and yes, I do talk
Speaker 2: about panic attacks, and now they that conversation seemed foreign
Speaker 2: to you. Then all of a sudden, boom, come on,
Speaker 2: you get whacked with a panic attack.
Speaker 4: Not really foreign to me because I am a flight
Speaker 4: attendant and.
Speaker 2: I have you know, that's my other fare right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: they come with him.
Speaker 4: After this, Yes, and so I was familiar with them
Speaker 4: from what my passengers had experienced.
Speaker 2: But I you, you can only understand them until you've
Speaker 2: lived through one yourself. That's the truth. I can tell
Speaker 2: tell you. We can talk about them, I can tell you,
Speaker 2: but until you actually feel it, it's kind of just words.
Speaker 2: And you got empathy. You're a flight the tenant. You're
Speaker 2: understanding that person as a fear, but you don't understand
Speaker 2: that fear because you don't have that fear until now.
Speaker 2: Until now. So now, like I said, March hit you
Speaker 2: and you got schmeckled. You got hit by a panic attack.
Speaker 2: I did, and your whole world went upside.
Speaker 4: Down absolutely very quickly.
Speaker 2: And I can tell you how you felt so. Bottom
Speaker 2: line is I learned early on, at twenty six, that
Speaker 2: there was not many people I could talk to about
Speaker 2: them because people weren't talking about them because they were
Speaker 2: embarrassed of them. Yes, so I went out and I
Speaker 2: bought every book there was, right, going back to clear
Speaker 2: weeks from the fifties or sixties, right, and then literally
Speaker 2: carried a book around like a bible. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, I realized I didn't have anything
Speaker 2: in common with these people in these books, which was
Speaker 2: really freaking me out right, like why is this not
Speaker 2: making sense? Why don't I I wasn't relating to anybody
Speaker 2: in these books. Then I realized, I'm putting these books
Speaker 2: down because I wasn't sexually molested, I wasn't physically abused,
Speaker 2: I wasn't emotionally abused. I had good parents, I had
Speaker 2: whatever normal is not. We weren't Ousie and Harriet by
Speaker 2: no means. But then again, Ozzie and Harriet weren't Ozzy
Speaker 2: and Harriet. But whatever normal was normal, like just normal.
Speaker 2: Put your play clothes on, go play, you know, swap
Speaker 2: a short bridge, go play in traffic. Okay, I'll go
Speaker 2: play in traffic, you know, normal stuff. Our parents said
Speaker 2: to us, I would not like stabbing ourselves in the eyes.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I should be on a psyke's chair
Speaker 2: and I should not be having panic attacks from that.
Speaker 2: So with that being said, I found somebody from a
Speaker 2: friend and she said something to me. She said, Cindy,
Speaker 2: you're not going to talk and tell me what you have.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you what you have. I said, okay,
Speaker 2: And then when she could explain to me what I
Speaker 2: was feeling, I knew she knew what she was talking about.
Speaker 2: It's a big difference. If I told to her she's
Speaker 2: going to agree with me. Oh yeah, I have that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I get that too. When she told me
Speaker 2: what she had was the day I stopped running from
Speaker 2: doctor to doctor. The doctor thinking it was aneurism, I'm
Speaker 2: having a heart problem, having whatever, you know, your brain
Speaker 2: starts right and cook her crazy. And that's the day
Speaker 2: I realized, Okay, Cindy, you can keep running from doctor
Speaker 2: to doctor and you keep coming up healthy as a horse,
Speaker 2: but you're frozen, and you're you know, stuck at a
Speaker 2: red light, and when you can't function and you can't
Speaker 2: function right right, and your light hand and you're dizzy
Speaker 2: and you think, Okay, my heart's pounding my list sole
Speaker 2: yet I'm getting you know, light headed. Everybody has them
Speaker 2: a little differently, but she was my key. When she
Speaker 2: explained it to me, I went, okay, this woman gets it,
Speaker 2: she gets it. Okay, great. We had a great conversation,
Speaker 2: but I never called her back. It was the one time,
Speaker 2: one time only conversation and it was actually Andrew Rubin's
Speaker 2: friend that Andrew Rubin connected me to never need to
Speaker 2: talk to you again. Because I knew what she was saying.
Speaker 2: I understood, and I had to figure out, how do
Speaker 2: you do? What do you do with these things? Right?
Speaker 4: And hence I called you?
Speaker 2: And so now you end up on my show. I
Speaker 2: can tell you this the first one you never ever
Speaker 2: ever forget. I don't know if you end up in
Speaker 2: the emergency room. You did. Yes, you can't move your
Speaker 2: head up and down. We're not on TV, we're on radio.
Speaker 4: Oh I apologize, you ain't. It's empty in here anyway, Okay, Yes, we.
Speaker 2: All have empty brains lately. I think I had to
Speaker 2: do with COVID and all the vaccination shots everything else
Speaker 2: we took. So March hits up on you you're somewhere. I'm
Speaker 2: at home, okay, next thing you know, you're calling nine
Speaker 2: one one.
Speaker 4: No. So I'm at home and I feel a little nauseous.
Speaker 4: It's in the evening. I get up out of bed
Speaker 4: to go to the bathroom and I realize I'm really dizzy.
Speaker 4: I can't walk. I can't walk to the bathroom, so
Speaker 4: I have to lay down and unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Let me hold you there felt like your legs were
Speaker 2: going to give out on you, and you were just
Speaker 2: going to go down. You're going to faint exactly, and
Speaker 2: you had to grab the wall.
Speaker 4: And I think, yes, went right down on the floor,
Speaker 4: but I still had that need to vomit. And there
Speaker 4: I was laying there on my wood floors vomity, and
Speaker 4: then I started to shake profusely, and I had no
Speaker 4: idea what was going on. And it got scarier when
Speaker 4: I could not get up and walk, when I continued
Speaker 4: to vomit, and then to see my body shake.
Speaker 2: So you did have Okay, then you went to the hospital.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: So then the next day I called my daughter, who's
Speaker 4: twenty six, and I said.
Speaker 2: We'll call our daughters, but go ahead. It's a daughter
Speaker 2: mother thing.
Speaker 5: Did you go back to sleep.
Speaker 4: I no, I just laid there I mean, yes, next
Speaker 4: to the vomit. Yeah, it wasn't very pleasant.
Speaker 2: But the next day, but did you think maybe had
Speaker 2: a stomach bug or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, I had no idea. I thought maybe it
Speaker 4: was the flu. So the next day I called my
Speaker 4: daughter and I said, you're not gonna believe what happened.
Speaker 4: And I said, if that happens again, I'm calling you,
Speaker 4: you come over. Okay. She said okay, And sure enough,
Speaker 4: the same thing happened the following evening, same time, about
Speaker 4: the same time. Yeah, in the evening, and she came
Speaker 4: into my place and she lay there with me and
Speaker 4: comforted me, rubbed me, encouraged me. Mom, you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 4: You've got this. You've been through more. Not knowing what
Speaker 4: I had, but just comforted me and not feeling alone
Speaker 4: and hearing words of encouragement made me feel a lot better.
Speaker 2: So she's a safe person. Yes, So people that have
Speaker 2: PIC attacks will develop what they call this save people. Yes,
Speaker 2: where they know that they have. You since March, have
Speaker 2: you walked anywhere and all of a sudden got that
Speaker 2: lightheaded feeling like you're going to go down? What does
Speaker 2: it only happen in your house.
Speaker 4: Oh, it happens. It happened on the airplane, it happened
Speaker 4: at Layover Hotels.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: The first signs were.
Speaker 2: Wait minute, Okay, there's ross with the with the clock thingy. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're going to break callback daughter. Okay, I'm Sidney Stumbling.
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Speaker 4: He was handsome and she was.
Speaker 2: He welcome back to Sidney Stumble tump his nails on WBZ,
Speaker 2: and I'm here with Sammy, and I'm here with Your
Speaker 2: name is Lynn. Lynn. You're going to keep introducing yourself,
Speaker 2: all right, So we heard how the start, how you started. Now,
Speaker 2: I me personally didn't start that way. If I was
Speaker 2: throwing up, I would think, okay, I have food poison
Speaker 2: or they had a stomach bug.
Speaker 5: But you, I almost think it's scary that this happened
Speaker 5: to her in her house, where you most people feel
Speaker 5: the safest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, let me ask this question. You've been
Speaker 2: through COVID, you've been through flight attendant. I mean you're
Speaker 2: a flight attendant. You've seen some nasty things up in
Speaker 2: the air.
Speaker 4: Nine to eleven, the shoe bombing. I was at the
Speaker 4: Boston marathon.
Speaker 2: So and then one day you just wake up.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, And.
Speaker 2: You know these things aren't always something from your childhood
Speaker 2: or your stresses you're going under. Sometimes they're genetic, as
Speaker 2: they may have said that to you. No, okay, mother, father,
Speaker 2: either side, depression, bipolar anxiety, anything that you know of. No, sure,
Speaker 2: they hit it really well. That generations, the Secret generation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Secret generation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you recall as a kid and mother, father, anything
Speaker 2: that seems odd to norm now that you're an adult.
Speaker 4: No, not really. I mean they lived a very routine,
Speaker 4: safe life, and I'm kind of out there all over,
Speaker 4: you know, being single, moving all over, traveling.
Speaker 2: So okay, So you think life's just all of a
Speaker 2: sudden attacking you right now.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean there are certain things that led up
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know you can pinpoint then what happened
Speaker 2: and how they came out.
Speaker 4: No, okay, So here I am and we're not sure,
Speaker 4: but I'm feeling better. I'm feeling like I can go
Speaker 4: back to work, and that's what I do. I figured
Speaker 4: that was a fluke thing. It was probably the flu
Speaker 4: still not knowing. I get to the airport to go
Speaker 4: to a trip and I don't feel well. I start sweating,
Speaker 4: I start shaking. I'm thinking I can't do.
Speaker 2: This, and the negative thoughts stop running through your head. Yes,
Speaker 2: fight a flight, fight, fight, your brain's.
Speaker 4: Going keep going thought.
Speaker 2: Dreadful. Yes, that especially being Is it a thought that
Speaker 2: you're going to die? No, see, that's what a pag
Speaker 2: attack is. Okay, but pag attack is a fear of dying.
Speaker 2: Don't think you're dying right there and there, right there there.
Speaker 2: So we're going to figure out what you do.
Speaker 4: Have, oh exactly. So I go down to my operations
Speaker 4: and management looks at me and says, Lynn, you look awful.
Speaker 4: I said, I feel awful. I'm sweating, I'm dizzy. I
Speaker 4: don't feel well. I cannot go on this light. I said, fine.
Speaker 4: Do you want us to call the paramedics? Of course,
Speaker 4: I said no, I'll be fine. They took me into
Speaker 4: the back room, a conference room. The paramedics came. They
Speaker 4: checked me out perfectly. You're fine. Management said, you're not
Speaker 4: driving home. We're going to get you an uber. I
Speaker 4: got home felt the same symptoms that I did before,
Speaker 4: dizzy vomiting, shaking, and I called my safe person, my daughter,
Speaker 4: and she says, Mom, I've had it with this. You're
Speaker 4: walking to the er. So I live across the street
Speaker 4: from Mass General. Yeah, So I walked to Mass General
Speaker 4: and I walk in and I said, I don't feel well.
Speaker 4: These are my symptoms. So for four and a half
Speaker 4: hours they check me out and they said everything's fine.
Speaker 4: I said, I might be dehydrated. That happens a lot
Speaker 4: when you fly and you're on the go. And I
Speaker 4: lost my father two weeks earlier, and I thought I
Speaker 4: was taking care of him, not me. So the last
Speaker 4: thing they did was hook me up to an IV
Speaker 4: and sent me on my merry way.
Speaker 2: But there was nothing wrong with you hot. There was
Speaker 2: nothing causing you dizziness at all. Did they tell you
Speaker 2: run low blood low blood pressure?
Speaker 4: Nope, everything was hot.
Speaker 2: What's your blood pressure?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's it's low, but it's it's good. It's healthy.
Speaker 2: It's not No, low is not healthy. There's always gotta
Speaker 2: be salt with me wherever I go, because I do
Speaker 2: run low. So if I drop a point all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I get wobbly legs, I get nauseous, I
Speaker 2: get light headed, I get dizzy. So I'll just take
Speaker 2: a shot of salt, okay and get my blood pressure
Speaker 2: back up. All right, But it doesn't matter because I've
Speaker 2: already put the thought in my head. Meaning instead of
Speaker 2: me saying, okay, Cindy, you have your blood pressure just dropped,
Speaker 2: you got light headed, you got dizzy, this is normal. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: Cindy's brain goes right to the to the end, like no, no,
Speaker 2: this is the big one. I'm coming here it is.
Speaker 2: I'm having the heart attack, I'm having the stroke. I'm
Speaker 2: dying right here, right now. There's the difference. You don't
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like you have what what I have
Speaker 2: is called this panic attacks. So what I have is
Speaker 2: what they call panic disorder. Okay, So some people have
Speaker 2: a panic attack here or the yere, they're getting a divorce,
Speaker 2: they lose a family member. It's situational, it's a situational
Speaker 2: time in their life. They're going to have panic attacks.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Then is what they call, as I have been explained
Speaker 2: to by many saying, you have panic disorder. I mean,
Speaker 2: these things aren't going away, so you're going to learn
Speaker 2: to live with them or keep fighting them. Either way,
Speaker 2: it's exhausting.
Speaker 4: Yes it is.
Speaker 2: But when I was twenty six years old and I
Speaker 2: went and sat on this woman's cheer and my mother said,
Speaker 2: go in, tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth,
Speaker 2: and you'll get better, right, Okay, Mom, I'm going to
Speaker 2: do that. All right. I'm doing that, and the woman's
Speaker 2: looking at me and she's like, well that wasn't normal.
Speaker 2: Well this wasn't normal and that wasn't normal. I'm like, lady,
Speaker 2: I don't know where you grew up, but like it's
Speaker 2: normal to me. So you and I on grooven here.
Speaker 2: So we're just going to call this over. Because I
Speaker 2: asked her two questions. I said this, this is a psychiatrist.
Speaker 4: I know what you were talking about.
Speaker 2: But I knew what she was thinking.
Speaker 4: I was like, you be my safe person.
Speaker 2: She was a psychiatrist, and MD, how much I know
Speaker 2: what your brain is? Okay, so there's my brain because
Speaker 2: you got me off something different. But bottom line was,
Speaker 2: I walked out and I said to her, I've asked
Speaker 2: you if these could be genetic. You said no. I
Speaker 2: asked you if they could be hormonal. You said no.
Speaker 2: Well in birth and years this stuff happens, and genetic.
Speaker 2: My mom and my grandmother on my maternal side had them.
Speaker 2: And you're telling me this impossible. She said, impossible. Panic attacks,
Speaker 2: Cindy are trauma. I said, okay, well I got no trauma,
Speaker 2: so you and I had done. She said, we have
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. Let they go have fun. I'm out. I left.
Speaker 2: My mom and dad and my ex husband was they
Speaker 2: are waiting for me to come out, and I said,
Speaker 2: this woman's crazy and I'm listened to her. So we left.
Speaker 2: She called me up at I was forty six years old.
Speaker 2: So remember I started with her at twenty six the
Speaker 2: first time. I'm now forty six Foroy seven Tough as
Speaker 2: Nails on HGTV. She watched the show and she called
Speaker 2: me and she said, could I please speak to Cindy.
Speaker 2: I said, this is Cindy. She said, this is doctor
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and I said, I'm sorry, do I
Speaker 2: know you? She goes, well, probably you probably don't remember me,
Speaker 2: or but I was the doctor you came to at
Speaker 2: twenty six years old, and you left my office. You
Speaker 2: told me I've I think you said, I was, I
Speaker 2: have a lot to learn in life or something whatever
Speaker 2: you said. And I never threw away your file. I
Speaker 2: kept your file, and then about a year later, I
Speaker 2: got another woman with your personality, a bit older than you,
Speaker 2: but very headstrong. She kind of told me the same
Speaker 2: thing she'said this this is over. You're not paying attention,
Speaker 2: you're not listening. And then I said to myself, what
Speaker 2: do these two women have in common? They're very both
Speaker 2: their strong personality, they get a lot in common. What
Speaker 2: am I missing here? So she said to me, I
Speaker 2: went down the study of hormonal and genetic and I
Speaker 2: got some good news and bad news. And by the way,
Speaker 2: you were right. I go, well, I don't need you
Speaker 2: to tell me that now, Maam, I said, I knew
Speaker 2: a doc whatever I said, because now I can google
Speaker 2: all this. Right. She goes, but I've got some good
Speaker 2: news and bad news citing and I said, well, well,
Speaker 2: give me the bad news first, because who wants to
Speaker 2: the good news first? And you give me the bad news.
Speaker 2: That's like smile. And then I hit over there with
Speaker 2: a baseball bet right. She goes, well, let me put
Speaker 2: you this weight. Are you in menopause? I said no,
Speaker 2: I'm not. She goes, are you in perimenopause? I said no,
Speaker 2: I'm not. She said, well, that's kind of strange. You're
Speaker 2: forty eight now, yeah, well, I'm not well when you
Speaker 2: go through it, finally, they're either going to just go
Speaker 2: away or they're going to get even worse. I so
Speaker 2: what seems to be the more she goes there isn't
Speaker 2: right now. It seems to be fifty to fifty. So
Speaker 2: I hope and pray that when you do go through menopause,
Speaker 2: they go away. Oh no, fifty five COVID came and
Speaker 2: these things went cuckoo cuckoo crazy, and I went, Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess I would. I didn't draw the lucky straw
Speaker 2: on this one, you though, So that's how my pig
Speaker 2: attacks are. That's how long they've been here. That's my story. Lightheaded,
Speaker 2: dizzy and think I'm going to die? Now you take it.
Speaker 2: Do we have any of the same feelings before we
Speaker 2: go to break?
Speaker 4: Lightheaded, dizzy, weak and what's controlling my body?
Speaker 2: Old debts? Okay, there go hold that thought. This is
Speaker 2: simmy stumpy you listening top of Neils on WBZ and
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Speaker 4: So I'm going to tell you a little bit about
Speaker 4: after you in your head go back to I'm in
Speaker 4: my head?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happens in your head?
Speaker 4: In my head, what I found out were my thoughts,
Speaker 4: my thoughts of feeling less than and that could have
Speaker 4: come from my family as far as being raised in
Speaker 4: a very strict German family of overachievers, and I was
Speaker 4: more the care free one, and therefore I wasn't going
Speaker 4: to make anything of my life. So that all came
Speaker 4: to a head when my father passed away, and I
Speaker 4: held it down and then it started to rear its
Speaker 4: head again. But I'll tell you a quick story, so
Speaker 4: it wasn't dehydral. I went back on the plane and
Speaker 4: flew a four day trip and the symptoms came up
Speaker 4: on the third day, vomiting lightheadedness. Went to the hotel,
Speaker 4: asked my crew to put me in a wheelchair. I
Speaker 4: wheeled myself up to the room and I have one
Speaker 4: day to get home and I can do this. I
Speaker 4: got home the next day, I said enough of this,
Speaker 4: what's going on? I went to my primary care explained
Speaker 4: about the dizziness in my head and she said, Lynn,
Speaker 4: you have vertigo. I said, oh, there goes my career.
Speaker 4: She said, you need to see an NT and you're
Speaker 4: not going to fly until you see the ANT. I
Speaker 4: went to mass general your nose and throat. I saw
Speaker 4: a nurse practitioner. He said, tell me a little bit
Speaker 4: about your dizzy spells. Is it in your head or
Speaker 4: is the room spinning? I said, it's in my head.
Speaker 4: He says, you don't have vertigo. You're having panic attacks.
Speaker 2: I got that, and again I went to the inte.
Speaker 2: They put the hot water in one side. Did you
Speaker 2: have that hot water? Then cold water? And then you're
Speaker 2: actually spinning on the chair. You go and stop this.
Speaker 2: I did the same thing I told you, went to
Speaker 2: every doctor. You don't have vertigo. Does the room spin? Lin, No,
Speaker 2: it doesn't. You are just not feeling like you're on
Speaker 2: your feet. There's a big difference when you do this
Speaker 2: real fast. So I just did do you do this?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: You don't grab for something, you don't let go.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: So then if you felt vertigo or light headed, the
Speaker 2: normal thing to do, even if you're light headed is
Speaker 2: to grab something or somebody. But you don't do that either. No,
Speaker 2: but I was looking for you got some screw. I'm
Speaker 2: trying him. Man, I don't know what those are, but
Speaker 2: I know one thing. If you feel like you're gonna
Speaker 2: fall down.
Speaker 5: But what do you do when you feel when you
Speaker 5: feel dizzy in your head?
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, when you're just cheese, no, yea
Speaker 4: to a point up against a wall. But my body
Speaker 4: shuts down, and as it did on the plane, I
Speaker 4: start feeling dizzy. It affects I'm throwing up. My crew
Speaker 4: members are saying, you've got the flu. Stay away from me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I'm going to be fine. But I
Speaker 4: guess I'm coming to the perspective of nobody properly diagnosed
Speaker 4: me for a while, and all I wanted to do
Speaker 4: was get better. So when the fellow said, you're having
Speaker 4: panic attacks, he gave me the name of somebody that
Speaker 4: works for Harvard Mind Body Institute. I talked to her.
Speaker 4: She was fabulous. A large time commitment every week for
Speaker 4: two hours. I'm thinking, with my schedule, I just can't
Speaker 4: do that. Hence I called your show. Well, what does
Speaker 4: Cindy do? And that's why I'm here in the interim,
Speaker 4: I had to do some work, but I realized it
Speaker 4: was my thoughts that was controlling my physical body, the
Speaker 4: negative thoughts. And when I started feeling it on the
Speaker 4: plane was during COVID when the passengers we called them
Speaker 4: stimulus passengers because they used that government check to buy
Speaker 4: tickets and they weren't frequent flyers. They saw frequently on
Speaker 4: social media, the craziness of the plane, passengers yelling at
Speaker 4: each other, passengers yelling at the crew. And that's when
Speaker 4: I started to have panic attacks.
Speaker 2: And at that time, I attacks with anxiety. Big difference.
Speaker 2: Big difference. Anxiety is not when you so you haven't
Speaker 2: even said to me, Cindy, I feel like I can't breathe.
Speaker 2: I like you keep your breathing under control through this attack.
Speaker 4: How I do it now is I channel my thoughts
Speaker 4: because I feel that I'm a very sensitive person. I
Speaker 4: take in, maybe.
Speaker 2: You're not born between June and July.
Speaker 4: Are you no scorpio? No, that's right. But I was
Speaker 4: taking in what people were saying to me, taking it personally,
Speaker 4: and I just felt like maybe I was dying. But
Speaker 4: all I just felt like I wasn't worth anything, and Therefore,
Speaker 4: two books helped me out overcoming the unwanted, intrusive thoughts
Speaker 4: and then The Highly Sensitive Person's Guide Dealing with People
Speaker 4: Toxic people.
Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, let's let's call it wait and
Speaker 2: I'm pretty I'm not a black and white person. I'm gray.
Speaker 2: How's this one bullshit? And how's that We're always going
Speaker 2: to be around toxic people. We're going to have toxic people.
Speaker 2: We're going to have and drama and craziness in our lives,
Speaker 2: especially we're moms. You work, You got to deal with insane,
Speaker 2: insane people right on your flights, people google crazy. I'm sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you can read all these books. You know what,
Speaker 2: I found out.
Speaker 4: They don't work.
Speaker 2: They don't work, you know what, for her, But they're
Speaker 2: not you know what, it's gonna work for her. It's
Speaker 2: gonna work for her.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Sammy's my safe person.
Speaker 2: I'm just want to tell you how it is. Okay,
Speaker 2: I did all this all right. I wish I never
Speaker 2: read one. I did not relate now if you know
Speaker 2: it does, but hold on, let me finish. If you
Speaker 2: know these past things in your life that you have
Speaker 2: to deal with, then you need to find that person
Speaker 2: to help you deal with whatever it seems to be
Speaker 2: coming out this stage of your life that didn't come
Speaker 2: out in your twenties and teens and thirties. Okay, period,
Speaker 2: I don't have anything. I can't throw up anything more
Speaker 2: than I already have. The panic attacks are here, They're
Speaker 2: not going anywhere.
Speaker 4: But I find I process information incorrectly that I have
Speaker 4: to challenge my thoughts, okay, of what people are saying
Speaker 4: to me and taking everything that they say as being valid.
Speaker 4: Where in the position that I was in, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of blame, you know, fix this, And I was
Speaker 4: internalizing all that. I guess my personality is stuff is
Speaker 4: such as to bring peace and resolve, and sometimes you
Speaker 4: can't do it when it's correct. Yes, But I was
Speaker 4: taking what they were giving to me and to do it.
Speaker 2: Every day, all day long, all day long. Family kids,
Speaker 2: grown adults do it all the time. But again, maybe
Speaker 2: you don't know the wood boundaries. Maybe I don't know
Speaker 2: the wood boundaries. And that's probably what we haven't common.
Speaker 2: Is that one word boundaries, right, And I remember that
Speaker 2: that psychiatrist lady saying, you know, do you have boundaries?
Speaker 2: I go, did she apologize to you? Yes she did.
Speaker 2: By the way, she did apologize to me. Remember I
Speaker 2: told you that she said, I want I'm called to
Speaker 2: say I'm sorry to you. You twenty years later, two
Speaker 2: plus decades later, I said, well, it's okay, you know.
Speaker 2: Look you didn't know, and now I can read all
Speaker 2: this on Google. So but my point is, you know,
Speaker 2: I think you know why you're feeling the way you're feeling.
Speaker 4: Not until I really stop and think about it, because
Speaker 4: I go in automatic and then I have to think
Speaker 4: about my thoughts because I think initially I react physically
Speaker 4: shortness of breath.
Speaker 2: I asked you that before and you said, no, you
Speaker 2: don't get that. This isn't to me. No, I want
Speaker 2: to get this out. Or so, you do have shortness
Speaker 2: of breath. You do feel that suffocation that I said,
Speaker 2: he can't get a deep breath and you feel like
Speaker 2: you just said it. You get shortness of breath?
Speaker 4: Yes, I do, and I owe you ar co patment
Speaker 4: doctors at the end of the day, Okay, you talk,
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I feel you can talk to five different people and
Speaker 2: we're all going to have five different symptoms. Period. None
Speaker 2: of ours are personal. Yes, none of ours are going
Speaker 2: to emulate each other except the one thing. We keep
Speaker 2: going to doctors looking for the problem. Right now, maybe
Speaker 2: you to take it to a level while trying to
Speaker 2: see what we're sick. We're physically sick, well, we're not
Speaker 2: physically sick, obviously there's something emotional. They did the same
Speaker 2: with me Where to go. We think you having seizures,
Speaker 2: put me on tag with Tall for seizure medication. I
Speaker 2: wasn't having seizures. It was crazy back then. But let's
Speaker 2: everybody hold that thought. I hold my own thought. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Brom And welcome back the say stumpo toughest Nails on WBZ.
Speaker 2: And we're in the studio. And I've turned into a builder,
Speaker 2: and then I've been a builder, and now I'm in
Speaker 2: a delt daycare center for my guys, and I'm a mom,
Speaker 2: and I'm a marriage counselor to my clients. And now
Speaker 2: I'm gonna shrink when it comes to panic attacks with
Speaker 2: Lynn and I right now right here. Okay, So that's
Speaker 2: the show today, Lynn. What's your bottom line here? Talk
Speaker 2: to me bottom of the let's go okay, your blonde,
Speaker 2: blue eyed and I'm like, come on, I'm gonna gem
Speaker 2: my fist down your throat, let's go. Okay.
Speaker 4: Thanks. I really feel as I go on in life
Speaker 4: trying to deal with episode modes of trauma and panic,
Speaker 4: that a lot of it is in my mind. So
Speaker 4: I have to stop challenge myself with my thoughts, and
Speaker 4: I feel that I have the ability to turn the
Speaker 4: wheel by talking to myself. Where is this coming from?
Speaker 4: Is this true?
Speaker 2: Well? Is it working?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, and you're getting somewhere.
Speaker 5: Did you come from a family that no one talked
Speaker 5: about any correct?
Speaker 2: Yes? German?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: So how long after did your dad die that you
Speaker 5: started feeling this way?
Speaker 4: My dad passed away the first of March and.
Speaker 5: You had them the same month.
Speaker 2: I think, yes.
Speaker 5: Do you think that, like you felt free enough to
Speaker 5: actually feel whatever you're feeling and pent up for years
Speaker 5: of your family holding feelings in.
Speaker 4: Doctor Sammy, Yes, I think so so. And I was
Speaker 4: going through the grief, I was going through talk counseling,
Speaker 4: but never had I had the physical elements come in
Speaker 4: that were stifling me.
Speaker 5: So do you think that maybe as a kid you
Speaker 5: did that but didn't remember that because you couldn't talk
Speaker 5: about it, so you had to feel it inside.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was a free spirit. I mean
Speaker 4: I was a school teacher for two years and I said, oh,
Speaker 4: to really learn, I want to be a flight attendant.
Speaker 4: I want to travel, meet new people.
Speaker 2: And I was off.
Speaker 4: You know, I just did anything, would move anywhere to.
Speaker 2: Avoid No, not all. Yes, every living her life is
Speaker 2: a freebird.
Speaker 5: But that doesn't mean you don't care what your family thinks.
Speaker 2: Well, no, she cared.
Speaker 4: No I didn't. I didn't. But as you get older, okay,
Speaker 4: and they sam.
Speaker 5: Well, she did say that she felt like she was
Speaker 5: never good enough for her family, so somewhere she did
Speaker 5: think it. Yes I did, so I think her freebird
Speaker 5: was to escape that feeling.
Speaker 4: Okay, it was more exciting to go to Paris and
Speaker 4: minds then to a town in southwest Virginia. I just
Speaker 4: didn't think they got me.
Speaker 2: Let me just give you a little light here on this.
Speaker 2: There have been people that have been sexually molested, that
Speaker 2: physically abuse their whole lives right battered women, battered children.
Speaker 2: I keep going and never ever ever suffered a panic
Speaker 2: attack later on life. Okay, there's something, whether it's in
Speaker 2: the brain, whether it's lack of you know, dopamine, there's
Speaker 2: so many The brain is such a complicated muscle, as
Speaker 2: they tell me that, we can sit here and try
Speaker 2: to figure this out from here. So another twenty years.
Speaker 2: I've already spent enough time, thirty three years of dealing
Speaker 2: with these. They're still as fearful as the day had them.
Speaker 2: People are still you know, in shock when they go, oh,
Speaker 2: Cinney Stumpo has panic attacks, Like when I never was
Speaker 2: ambarressed to talk about them, So people putting labels over
Speaker 2: your heads, like, you know, why would she have panic attacks?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 2: Well, why wouldn't I? So I'm not afraid to talk
Speaker 2: about them. And actually, if my grandmother and my mother
Speaker 2: did more talking about them, maybe today we'd have a
Speaker 2: cure for them. But we don't because everybody hid. You know, right,
Speaker 2: my grandmother said she used to run the bathroom and
Speaker 2: call a doctor and say, doctor Goldberg, I'm dying. You're
Speaker 2: not dying, eleanor I'm dying gets to the house, right,
Speaker 2: and then the operators listening on the phone and telling
Speaker 2: everybody in the town then and Ellen, that's big attacks, right,
Speaker 2: or whatever the thing was.
Speaker 4: I just put something together with what Sammy said about
Speaker 4: my upbringing and not being good enough. So when I'm
Speaker 4: in a situation, well thank you. When I'm on and
Speaker 4: I think I'm good enough to but thank you. But
Speaker 4: when I'm on the plane and it hits the fan
Speaker 4: and people are angry and they start.
Speaker 2: Last, are you avoiding work? Oh?
Speaker 3: These?
Speaker 1: Oh no?
Speaker 2: Okay, good good, good good?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I love my work.
Speaker 2: Okay, you haven't avoided anything. Grocery store, a wall, nothing, No,
Speaker 2: So if you have them, you still go back to them,
Speaker 2: if you Yeah, have you had one a supermarket yet?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I don't talk to anybody, okay. So it's usually when
Speaker 4: i'm interacting people with people and I'm probably trying to
Speaker 4: get their approval. Hey, I'm offering you good service. I'm
Speaker 4: doing this, and the toxic people their thoughts get in.
Speaker 4: I process it as something that I'm not doing right,
Speaker 4: and therefore I try to challenge their thoughts and say
Speaker 4: is this valid?
Speaker 2: Is this right?
Speaker 4: Where before I'd probably take it in and start to
Speaker 4: have physical reactions. Are you looking at your physician assistant.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at my pre that means going to stick
Speaker 2: the clock my face, so I know it comes in
Speaker 2: here because they that's what you do. You take us
Speaker 2: all off on. But it seems like we definitely have
Speaker 2: two different versions of peddic attacks, which is sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: because I avoid If I had one here, I stopped
Speaker 2: going to movie theater. If I had one here, I
Speaker 2: stopped going near to my world God much smaller and smaller.
Speaker 2: So I decided, listen, stop the Cindy, or you're gonna
Speaker 2: become an agroaphobic. So you need to go. You gotta go,
Speaker 2: whether you like it or not. The funny pot is,
Speaker 2: does that work?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: No, I haven't been to a supermarket by myself since
Speaker 2: twenty six years old. Are you kidding me? I've left
Speaker 2: baskets full of cots and a run out like do
Speaker 2: Google people do that?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: Or I'll literally see in front of you, I'll pay
Speaker 2: for all your groceries. Just go.
Speaker 4: Just let me get in front of you.
Speaker 2: I'll stand there with my credit card and we'll get
Speaker 2: all my groceries through and then you end up with
Speaker 2: two three dollars with the groceries. Just let me get
Speaker 2: in front of you. Sometimes I've done that in front
Speaker 2: of two three people because I can't stand in line,
Speaker 2: so me and grocery will follow you into No, we
Speaker 2: don't do good. We don't do good at a certain
Speaker 2: red light, then it happens. Look, I know, I don't
Speaker 2: know why I have them, but you do. And that's
Speaker 2: the greatest thing because you can go work on these.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I have them, and there lies
Speaker 2: the problem, right, I know, I know I have I'm
Speaker 2: under a lot of pressure all day, for sure, But
Speaker 2: there are people that have even bigger positions than I
Speaker 2: do with the more pressure than I have.
Speaker 4: But I don't compare yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna and I don't care what people think
Speaker 2: like I don't care. Like you can say that you want, right,
Speaker 2: It all depends, it's how you say it, Like I don't. Look.
Speaker 2: You don't put yourself on TV. You don't put yourself
Speaker 2: on national radio and be the first female developer builder
Speaker 2: in the state of Massachusetts and worry about what people
Speaker 2: are gonna think about you. People gonna hate on you,
Speaker 2: no matter what right, people are gonna draw from you.
Speaker 2: But on an airplane if that's and you love flying,
Speaker 2: which I hope I never get you on a plane
Speaker 2: because I'm the one that will give you toxicness. I'll
Speaker 2: be going, lady, I'm very scared right now? Can you
Speaker 2: do this? Can you do that? I'm I walk in
Speaker 2: the plane.
Speaker 5: The part she's okay with, she's not okay with the
Speaker 5: part when someone is rude.
Speaker 4: Right, I get over that. Now I've learned too rude.
Speaker 2: And they're condescending. Why do you take that, parzel?
Speaker 5: Because your job is an active service.
Speaker 2: No, I gotta tell you something. This has changed a
Speaker 2: lot students. Is a stuarts. Actually it goes the other way. Now,
Speaker 2: you guys got a little edge to you guys up there.
Speaker 4: Okay, it depends on the individual.
Speaker 2: The new the new ones have an edge if you're
Speaker 2: in first class there right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going on my thirty ninth year.
Speaker 2: So you know the change has happened, you see it? Yes, right,
Speaker 2: you see I'm still the old days dealty air Lines.
Speaker 2: It was like what can we do for you? Now
Speaker 2: it's like what can we did for you? Like it's
Speaker 2: like what excuse me? You want what coke? Yeah that'll
Speaker 2: be an hour.
Speaker 4: But I still have that attitude.
Speaker 2: So you're still an old You're that old school students,
Speaker 2: not old ones. No, but look it, I'm thirty years
Speaker 2: in business. You know you're thirty nine years of students.
Speaker 4: But that's why I joined. It was going to be
Speaker 4: every flight was going to be a dinner party. I
Speaker 4: had the meals. Okay, peanuts now are pretzels I.
Speaker 2: Can offering you guys give nothing on these planes.
Speaker 4: We give what we got and sometimes that's ourself. We
Speaker 4: can't influence everything. But I mean it was it's a
Speaker 4: party every flight. I have an opportunity to work with
Speaker 4: fun people, go to exciting places and meet very interesting But.
Speaker 2: You went from a stage where you kind of start
Speaker 2: to know a lot of your clients coming in off
Speaker 2: the plane. Did you get your regulars used to not
Speaker 2: anymore correct? And you like seeing those the same faces?
Speaker 2: You got to know them. You're stationed out of Boston.
Speaker 2: I'm sure right love Boston, okay.
Speaker 4: Because we can talk about sports, we can.
Speaker 2: Talk about anything and everything. We don't care, that's right,
Speaker 2: We're gonna be massed holes.
Speaker 4: Now I can talk about you.
Speaker 2: But again, you know your job. Like when I have
Speaker 2: an empathetic students, that makes my flight so much better.
Speaker 2: They come over. But I walk on the plane. I
Speaker 2: tell the pilot, the copilot, I don't like to fly.
Speaker 2: Where were going? We fly over water lie and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, raised running to the back of the plane,
Speaker 2: going I'm not with her. Where we're sitting in the
Speaker 2: pale copalate very kind to me and then the one
Speaker 2: students will always find me and warm up to me. Excellent,
Speaker 2: And that's what can't speak to the flight right, Yes,
Speaker 2: that empathetic person. Epithet empathety. Hold on, We're going to wait,
Speaker 2: come sis stumble and he goes, tough.
Speaker 4: Of nails time, w Bz'll be right back.
Speaker 2: Night and welcome back to toughest nails And I'm city
Speaker 2: stumbo wbz. Lynn, you got forty seconds to tell me
Speaker 2: how you're going to change your life because I'm not changing,
Speaker 2: so I'm stuck with my paning attacks you. You're done
Speaker 2: in six months. How's that?
Speaker 4: Well, thanks for the encouragement. I appreciate that. And I
Speaker 4: don't want you to give up either. And being a
Speaker 4: strong person that helps tremendously not to let anybody miss
Speaker 4: with you. And you've got Sammy, your support, your kind, loving,
Speaker 4: easy going go with the flow supports this and.
Speaker 2: You got your dogs. Yeah, but I will guarantee you
Speaker 2: we can talk in six months back in the studio,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna be a lot better, and you're gonna
Speaker 2: say to me, Cindy, you're right, and I'll be still
Speaker 2: standing in the same shoes. And now I'm gonna still
Speaker 2: have them, but there's a difference. You already figured out
Speaker 2: why you have them. I haven't figured out why I
Speaker 2: have mine. Everybody, have a great, safe weekend and we'll
Speaker 2: see you next weekend. This is Cindy Stumbo tap his
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