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<v Speaker 1>For thirty five years, Cindy Stumpo has been a female

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<v Speaker 1>homebuilder with a passion for design, a mastery of detail,

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<v Speaker 1>and a commitment to her crack. With daughter Samantha Stumpo

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<v Speaker 1>by her side, I don't need my whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Family on a date with me.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good note.

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<v Speaker 2>It's godamn weird. See.

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<v Speaker 1>Stumpo Development is the only second generation female construction company

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<v Speaker 1>in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>You're crazy, You're a wacko, You're insane. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 3>just doesn't end together.

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<v Speaker 1>Cindy and Samantha welcome guest to explore the world of construction,

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<v Speaker 1>real estate, development, design and more. Unpredictable.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time I think I know what you want, you'd

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<v Speaker 3>switch it out.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what makes your houses all your day. Discuss

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<v Speaker 1>anything that happens between the roof and the foundation. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>is off limits.

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<v Speaker 3>You truly do care about everybody. She can yell at

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<v Speaker 3>chi can.

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<v Speaker 1>Scream, but when you get her alone, she's the best

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<v Speaker 1>person on the planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as nails.

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<v Speaker 2>Welpa, since Stubboro tells nails on wv Z, we definitely

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<v Speaker 2>know who Cindy Stumpo is. Who's this lovely beautiful woman

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<v Speaker 2>industry right now?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you. My name is Linda.

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<v Speaker 2>Linda. How did you end up in my studio?

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<v Speaker 4>I actually contacted you because you had casually mentioned that

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<v Speaker 4>you had suffered with panic attacks?

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<v Speaker 2>How'd that come out?

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<v Speaker 4>How did it come out?

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<v Speaker 2>In?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How'd you and I talk?

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<v Speaker 5>Like?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, I was never talked.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I've had a conversation till right now.

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<v Speaker 4>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did you find me?

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<v Speaker 4>I found you because I am a fan of your show,

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<v Speaker 4>and I listened to many of your shows, and you

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<v Speaker 4>casually mentioned frequently that you suffer with panic attacks. And

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<v Speaker 4>I suffered from my first panic attack in March of

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<v Speaker 4>this year. And once you're diagnosed with something like that,

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<v Speaker 4>you want to find out everything you can about how

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<v Speaker 4>you can get through it and what's the best way.

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<v Speaker 4>So therefore I called the show.

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<v Speaker 2>And you spoke to my producer.

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<v Speaker 4>I did, and I said, did Cindy do a specific

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<v Speaker 4>show on panic attacks? Or would she? How can I

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<v Speaker 4>get more information because I've experienced them and I need help.

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<v Speaker 2>So you want help from somebody that can't find help

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<v Speaker 2>on their own. Let me just get this story straight, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not alone. Okay, So basically, you've been listening to

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<v Speaker 2>a show I don't know how many years. We've been

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<v Speaker 2>on the air, for seven years, and yes, I do talk

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<v Speaker 2>about panic attacks, and now they that conversation seemed foreign

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<v Speaker 2>to you. Then all of a sudden, boom, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>you get whacked with a panic attack.

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<v Speaker 4>Not really foreign to me because I am a flight

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<v Speaker 4>attendant and.

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<v Speaker 2>I have you know, that's my other fare right, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they come with him.

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<v Speaker 4>After this, Yes, and so I was familiar with them

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<v Speaker 4>from what my passengers had experienced.

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<v Speaker 2>But I you, you can only understand them until you've

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<v Speaker 2>lived through one yourself. That's the truth. I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>tell you. We can talk about them, I can tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>but until you actually feel it, it's kind of just words.

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<v Speaker 2>And you got empathy. You're a flight the tenant. You're

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<v Speaker 2>understanding that person as a fear, but you don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>that fear because you don't have that fear until now.

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<v Speaker 2>Until now. So now, like I said, March hit you

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<v Speaker 2>and you got schmeckled. You got hit by a panic attack.

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<v Speaker 2>I did, and your whole world went upside.

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<v Speaker 4>Down absolutely very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can tell you how you felt so. Bottom

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<v Speaker 2>line is I learned early on, at twenty six, that

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<v Speaker 2>there was not many people I could talk to about

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<v Speaker 2>them because people weren't talking about them because they were

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassed of them. Yes, so I went out and I

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<v Speaker 2>bought every book there was, right, going back to clear

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<v Speaker 2>weeks from the fifties or sixties, right, and then literally

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<v Speaker 2>carried a book around like a bible. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, I realized I didn't have anything

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<v Speaker 2>in common with these people in these books, which was

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<v Speaker 2>really freaking me out right, like why is this not

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<v Speaker 2>making sense? Why don't I I wasn't relating to anybody

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<v Speaker 2>in these books. Then I realized, I'm putting these books

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<v Speaker 2>down because I wasn't sexually molested, I wasn't physically abused,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't emotionally abused. I had good parents, I had

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<v Speaker 2>whatever normal is not. We weren't Ousie and Harriet by

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<v Speaker 2>no means. But then again, Ozzie and Harriet weren't Ozzy

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<v Speaker 2>and Harriet. But whatever normal was normal, like just normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Put your play clothes on, go play, you know, swap

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<v Speaker 2>a short bridge, go play in traffic. Okay, I'll go

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<v Speaker 2>play in traffic, you know, normal stuff. Our parents said

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<v Speaker 2>to us, I would not like stabbing ourselves in the eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I should be on a psyke's chair

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<v Speaker 2>and I should not be having panic attacks from that.

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<v Speaker 2>So with that being said, I found somebody from a

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<v Speaker 2>friend and she said something to me. She said, Cindy,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to talk and tell me what you have.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you what you have. I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And then when she could explain to me what I

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<v Speaker 2>was feeling, I knew she knew what she was talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big difference. If I told to her she's

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<v Speaker 2>going to agree with me. Oh yeah, I have that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I get that too. When she told me

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<v Speaker 2>what she had was the day I stopped running from

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<v Speaker 2>doctor to doctor. The doctor thinking it was aneurism, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having a heart problem, having whatever, you know, your brain

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<v Speaker 2>starts right and cook her crazy. And that's the day

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<v Speaker 2>I realized, Okay, Cindy, you can keep running from doctor

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<v Speaker 2>to doctor and you keep coming up healthy as a horse,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're frozen, and you're you know, stuck at a

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<v Speaker 2>red light, and when you can't function and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>function right right, and your light hand and you're dizzy

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<v Speaker 2>and you think, Okay, my heart's pounding my list sole

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<v Speaker 2>yet I'm getting you know, light headed. Everybody has them

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<v Speaker 2>a little differently, but she was my key. When she

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<v Speaker 2>explained it to me, I went, okay, this woman gets it,

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<v Speaker 2>she gets it. Okay, great. We had a great conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>but I never called her back. It was the one time,

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<v Speaker 2>one time only conversation and it was actually Andrew Rubin's

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<v Speaker 2>friend that Andrew Rubin connected me to never need to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you again. Because I knew what she was saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I understood, and I had to figure out, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you do? What do you do with these things? Right?

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<v Speaker 4>And hence I called you?

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<v Speaker 2>And so now you end up on my show. I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you this the first one you never ever

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<v Speaker 2>ever forget. I don't know if you end up in

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<v Speaker 2>the emergency room. You did. Yes, you can't move your

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<v Speaker 2>head up and down. We're not on TV, we're on radio.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I apologize, you ain't. It's empty in here anyway, Okay, Yes, we.

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<v Speaker 2>All have empty brains lately. I think I had to

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<v Speaker 2>do with COVID and all the vaccination shots everything else

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<v Speaker 2>we took. So March hits up on you you're somewhere. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>at home, okay, next thing you know, you're calling nine

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<v Speaker 2>one one.

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<v Speaker 4>No. So I'm at home and I feel a little nauseous.

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<v Speaker 4>It's in the evening. I get up out of bed

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<v Speaker 4>to go to the bathroom and I realize I'm really dizzy.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't walk. I can't walk to the bathroom, so

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<v Speaker 4>I have to lay down and unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me hold you there felt like your legs were

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<v Speaker 2>going to go down. You're going to faint exactly, and

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<v Speaker 2>you had to grab the wall.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think, yes, went right down on the floor,

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<v Speaker 4>but I still had that need to vomit. And there

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<v Speaker 4>I was laying there on my wood floors vomity, and

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<v Speaker 4>then I started to shake profusely, and I had no

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<v Speaker 4>idea what was going on. And it got scarier when

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<v Speaker 4>I could not get up and walk, when I continued

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<v Speaker 4>to vomit, and then to see my body shake.

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<v Speaker 2>So you did have Okay, then you went to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 4>So then the next day I called my daughter, who's

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<v Speaker 4>twenty six, and I said.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll call our daughters, but go ahead. It's a daughter

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<v Speaker 2>mother thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you go back to sleep.

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<v Speaker 4>I no, I just laid there I mean, yes, next

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<v Speaker 4>to the vomit. Yeah, it wasn't very pleasant.

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<v Speaker 2>But the next day, but did you think maybe had

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<v Speaker 2>a stomach bug or something.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yes, I had no idea. I thought maybe it

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<v Speaker 4>was the flu. So the next day I called my

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<v Speaker 4>daughter and I said, you're not gonna believe what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said, if that happens again, I'm calling you,

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<v Speaker 4>you come over. Okay. She said okay, And sure enough,

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<v Speaker 4>the same thing happened the following evening, same time, about

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<v Speaker 4>the same time. Yeah, in the evening, and she came

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<v Speaker 4>into my place and she lay there with me and

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<v Speaker 4>comforted me, rubbed me, encouraged me. Mom, you're gonna be okay.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got this. You've been through more. Not knowing what

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<v Speaker 4>I had, but just comforted me and not feeling alone

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<v Speaker 4>and hearing words of encouragement made me feel a lot better.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's a safe person. Yes, So people that have

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<v Speaker 2>PIC attacks will develop what they call this save people. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>where they know that they have. You since March, have

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<v Speaker 2>you walked anywhere and all of a sudden got that

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<v Speaker 2>lightheaded feeling like you're going to go down? What does

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<v Speaker 2>it only happen in your house.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it happens. It happened on the airplane, it happened

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<v Speaker 4>at Layover Hotels.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 4>The first signs were.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait minute, Okay, there's ross with the with the clock thingy. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to break callback daughter. Okay, I'm Sidney Stumbling.

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<v Speaker 2>He listened to Tupper Nails on w BZ.

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<v Speaker 3>And sponsored by Flora Decor, National Lumber and Village bag.

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<v Speaker 2>Cale.

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<v Speaker 4>He was handsome and she was.

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<v Speaker 2>He welcome back to Sidney Stumble tump his nails on WBZ,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm here with Sammy, and I'm here with Your

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<v Speaker 2>name is Lynn. Lynn. You're going to keep introducing yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, So we heard how the start, how you started. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I me personally didn't start that way. If I was

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<v Speaker 2>throwing up, I would think, okay, I have food poison

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<v Speaker 2>or they had a stomach bug.

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<v Speaker 5>But you, I almost think it's scary that this happened

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<v Speaker 5>to her in her house, where you most people feel

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<v Speaker 5>the safest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but again, let me ask this question. You've been

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<v Speaker 2>through COVID, you've been through flight attendant. I mean you're

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<v Speaker 2>a flight attendant. You've seen some nasty things up in

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<v Speaker 2>the air.

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<v Speaker 4>Nine to eleven, the shoe bombing. I was at the

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<v Speaker 2>So and then one day you just wake up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know these things aren't always something from your childhood

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<v Speaker 2>they may have said that to you. No, okay, mother, father,

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<v Speaker 2>either side, depression, bipolar anxiety, anything that you know of. No, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>they hit it really well. That generations, the Secret generation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Do you recall as a kid and mother, father, anything

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<v Speaker 4>No, not really. I mean they lived a very routine,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you know you can pinpoint then what happened

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<v Speaker 4>No, okay, So here I am and we're not sure,

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<v Speaker 2>fight a flight, fight, fight, your brain's.

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<v Speaker 2>Dreadful. Yes, that especially being Is it a thought that

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to die? No, see, that's what a pag

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<v Speaker 4>Have, oh exactly. So I go down to my operations

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<v Speaker 4>and management looks at me and says, Lynn, you look awful.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, I feel awful. I'm sweating, I'm dizzy. I

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<v Speaker 4>the back room, a conference room. The paramedics came. They

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<v Speaker 4>checked me out perfectly. You're fine. Management said, you're not

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<v Speaker 4>and she says, Mom, I've had it with this. You're

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<v Speaker 4>from Mass General. Yeah, So I walked to Mass General

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<v Speaker 4>and I walk in and I said, I don't feel well.

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<v Speaker 4>These are my symptoms. So for four and a half

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<v Speaker 4>hours they check me out and they said everything's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, I might be dehydrated. That happens a lot

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<v Speaker 2>But there was nothing wrong with you hot. There was

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<v Speaker 2>nothing causing you dizziness at all. Did they tell you

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<v Speaker 2>run low blood low blood pressure?

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<v Speaker 4>Nope, everything was hot.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your blood pressure?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's it's low, but it's it's good. It's healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not No, low is not healthy. There's always gotta

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<v Speaker 2>be salt with me wherever I go, because I do

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<v Speaker 2>run low. So if I drop a point all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, I get wobbly legs, I get nauseous, I

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<v Speaker 2>get light headed, I get dizzy. So I'll just take

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<v Speaker 2>a shot of salt, okay and get my blood pressure

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<v Speaker 2>back up. All right, But it doesn't matter because I've

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<v Speaker 2>already put the thought in my head. Meaning instead of

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<v Speaker 2>me saying, okay, Cindy, you have your blood pressure just dropped,

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<v Speaker 2>you got light headed, you got dizzy, this is normal. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>Cindy's brain goes right to the to the end, like no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the big one. I'm coming here it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm having the heart attack, I'm having the stroke. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>dying right here, right now. There's the difference. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem like you have what what I have

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<v Speaker 2>is called this panic attacks. So what I have is

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<v Speaker 2>what they call panic disorder. Okay, So some people have

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<v Speaker 2>a panic attack here or the yere, they're getting a divorce,

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<v Speaker 2>they lose a family member. It's situational, it's a situational

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<v Speaker 2>time in their life. They're going to have panic attacks.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Then is what they call, as I have been explained

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<v Speaker 2>to by many saying, you have panic disorder. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>these things aren't going away, so you're going to learn

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<v Speaker 2>to live with them or keep fighting them. Either way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's exhausting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I was twenty six years old and I

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<v Speaker 2>went and sat on this woman's cheer and my mother said,

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<v Speaker 2>go in, tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll get better, right, Okay, Mom, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. All right. I'm doing that, and the woman's

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<v Speaker 2>looking at me and she's like, well that wasn't normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Well this wasn't normal and that wasn't normal. I'm like, lady,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know where you grew up, but like it's

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<v Speaker 2>So we're just going to call this over. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>asked her two questions. I said this, this is a psychiatrist.

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<v Speaker 4>I know what you were talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>But I knew what she was thinking.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, you be my safe person.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a psychiatrist, and MD, how much I know

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<v Speaker 2>what your brain is? Okay, so there's my brain because

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<v Speaker 2>you got me off something different. But bottom line was,

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<v Speaker 2>I walked out and I said to her, I've asked

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<v Speaker 2>you if these could be genetic. You said no. I

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<v Speaker 2>asked you if they could be hormonal. You said no.

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<v Speaker 2>Well in birth and years this stuff happens, and genetic.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom and my grandmother on my maternal side had them.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're telling me this impossible. She said, impossible. Panic attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>Cindy are trauma. I said, okay, well I got no trauma,

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<v Speaker 2>so you and I had done. She said, we have

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes. Let they go have fun. I'm out. I left.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom and dad and my ex husband was they

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<v Speaker 2>are waiting for me to come out, and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>this woman's crazy and I'm listened to her. So we left.

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<v Speaker 2>She called me up at I was forty six years old.

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<v Speaker 2>So remember I started with her at twenty six the

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<v Speaker 2>first time. I'm now forty six Foroy seven Tough as

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<v Speaker 2>Nails on HGTV. She watched the show and she called

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<v Speaker 2>me and she said, could I please speak to Cindy.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, this is Cindy. She said, this is doctor

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, and I said, I'm sorry, do I

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<v Speaker 2>know you? She goes, well, probably you probably don't remember me,

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<v Speaker 2>or but I was the doctor you came to at

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six years old, and you left my office. You

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<v Speaker 2>told me I've I think you said, I was, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot to learn in life or something whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you said. And I never threw away your file. I

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<v Speaker 2>kept your file, and then about a year later, I

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<v Speaker 2>got another woman with your personality, a bit older than you,

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<v Speaker 2>but very headstrong. She kind of told me the same

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<v Speaker 2>thing she'said this this is over. You're not paying attention,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not listening. And then I said to myself, what

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<v Speaker 2>their strong personality, they get a lot in common. What

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<v Speaker 2>am I missing here? So she said to me, I

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<v Speaker 2>you were right. I go, well, I don't need you

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<v Speaker 2>to tell me that now, Maam, I said, I knew

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<v Speaker 2>all this. Right. She goes, but I've got some good

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<v Speaker 2>news and bad news citing and I said, well, well,

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<v Speaker 2>give me the bad news first, because who wants to

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<v Speaker 2>the good news first? And you give me the bad news.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like smile. And then I hit over there with

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<v Speaker 2>a baseball bet right. She goes, well, let me put

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<v Speaker 2>you this weight. Are you in menopause? I said no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. She goes, are you in perimenopause? I said no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. She said, well, that's kind of strange. You're

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<v Speaker 2>go through it, finally, they're either going to just go

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<v Speaker 2>what seems to be the more she goes there isn't

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<v Speaker 2>right now. It seems to be fifty to fifty. So

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<v Speaker 2>I hope and pray that when you do go through menopause,

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<v Speaker 2>they go away. Oh no, fifty five COVID came and

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<v Speaker 2>these things went cuckoo cuckoo crazy, and I went, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>on this one, you though, So that's how my pig

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<v Speaker 2>attacks are. That's how long they've been here. That's my story. Lightheaded,

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<v Speaker 2>dizzy and think I'm going to die? Now you take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we have any of the same feelings before we

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<v Speaker 2>go to break?

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<v Speaker 4>Lightheaded, dizzy, weak and what's controlling my body?

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<v Speaker 2>Old debts? Okay, there go hold that thought. This is

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<v Speaker 2>simmy stumpy you listening top of Neils on WBZ and

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<v Speaker 4>Can Well, maybe there you stay.

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<v Speaker 2>With your little hair and welcome to say stumpboat tapas

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<v Speaker 2>nails on WBZ, go ahead and finished. You were just

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm going to tell you a little bit about

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<v Speaker 4>after you in your head go back to I'm in

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<v Speaker 4>my head?

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<v Speaker 4>In my head, what I found out were my thoughts,

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't dehydral. I went back on the plane and

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<v Speaker 4>what's going on? I went to my primary care explained

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<v Speaker 4>a nurse practitioner. He said, tell me a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>about your dizzy spells. Is it in your head or

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<v Speaker 4>is the room spinning? I said, it's in my head.

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<v Speaker 4>He says, you don't have vertigo. You're having panic attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>I got that, and again I went to the inte.

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<v Speaker 2>They put the hot water in one side. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>have that hot water? Then cold water? And then you're

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<v Speaker 2>actually spinning on the chair. You go and stop this.

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<v Speaker 2>I did the same thing I told you, went to

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<v Speaker 2>every doctor. You don't have vertigo. Does the room spin? Lin, No,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't. You are just not feeling like you're on

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<v Speaker 2>your feet. There's a big difference when you do this

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<v Speaker 2>real fast. So I just did do you do this?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>You don't grab for something, you don't let go.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 2>So then if you felt vertigo or light headed, the

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<v Speaker 2>normal thing to do, even if you're light headed is

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<v Speaker 2>to grab something or somebody. But you don't do that either. No,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was looking for you got some screw. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying him. Man, I don't know what those are, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know one thing. If you feel like you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>fall down.

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<v Speaker 5>But what do you do when you feel when you

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<v Speaker 5>feel dizzy in your head?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, first of all, when you're just cheese, no, yea

446
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<v Speaker 4>to a point up against a wall. But my body

447
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<v Speaker 4>shuts down, and as it did on the plane, I

448
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<v Speaker 4>start feeling dizzy. It affects I'm throwing up. My crew

449
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<v Speaker 4>members are saying, you've got the flu. Stay away from me.

450
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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, no, I'm going to be fine. But I

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<v Speaker 4>guess I'm coming to the perspective of nobody properly diagnosed

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<v Speaker 4>me for a while, and all I wanted to do

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<v Speaker 4>was get better. So when the fellow said, you're having

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<v Speaker 4>panic attacks, he gave me the name of somebody that

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<v Speaker 4>works for Harvard Mind Body Institute. I talked to her.

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<v Speaker 4>She was fabulous. A large time commitment every week for

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<v Speaker 4>two hours. I'm thinking, with my schedule, I just can't

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<v Speaker 4>do that. Hence I called your show. Well, what does

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<v Speaker 4>Cindy do? And that's why I'm here in the interim,

460
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<v Speaker 4>I had to do some work, but I realized it

461
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<v Speaker 4>was my thoughts that was controlling my physical body, the

462
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<v Speaker 4>negative thoughts. And when I started feeling it on the

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<v Speaker 4>plane was during COVID when the passengers we called them

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<v Speaker 4>stimulus passengers because they used that government check to buy

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<v Speaker 4>tickets and they weren't frequent flyers. They saw frequently on

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<v Speaker 4>social media, the craziness of the plane, passengers yelling at

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<v Speaker 4>each other, passengers yelling at the crew. And that's when

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<v Speaker 4>I started to have panic attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>And at that time, I attacks with anxiety. Big difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Big difference. Anxiety is not when you so you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>even said to me, Cindy, I feel like I can't breathe.

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<v Speaker 2>I like you keep your breathing under control through this attack.

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<v Speaker 4>How I do it now is I channel my thoughts

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<v Speaker 4>because I feel that I'm a very sensitive person. I

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<v Speaker 4>take in, maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not born between June and July.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you no scorpio? No, that's right. But I was

478
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<v Speaker 4>taking in what people were saying to me, taking it personally,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just felt like maybe I was dying. But

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<v Speaker 4>all I just felt like I wasn't worth anything, and Therefore,

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<v Speaker 4>two books helped me out overcoming the unwanted, intrusive thoughts

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<v Speaker 4>and then The Highly Sensitive Person's Guide Dealing with People

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<v Speaker 4>Toxic people.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, first of all, let's let's call it wait and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty I'm not a black and white person. I'm gray.

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<v Speaker 2>How's this one bullshit? And how's that We're always going

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<v Speaker 2>to be around toxic people. We're going to have toxic people.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have and drama and craziness in our lives,

489
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<v Speaker 2>especially we're moms. You work, You got to deal with insane,

490
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<v Speaker 2>insane people right on your flights, people google crazy. I'm sorry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can read all these books. You know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I found out.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't work.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't work, you know what, for her, But they're

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<v Speaker 2>not you know what, it's gonna work for her. It's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna work for her.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, Sammy's my safe person.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just want to tell you how it is. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I did all this all right. I wish I never

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<v Speaker 2>read one. I did not relate now if you know

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<v Speaker 2>it does, but hold on, let me finish. If you

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<v Speaker 2>know these past things in your life that you have

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with, then you need to find that person

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<v Speaker 2>to help you deal with whatever it seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>coming out this stage of your life that didn't come

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<v Speaker 2>out in your twenties and teens and thirties. Okay, period,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have anything. I can't throw up anything more

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<v Speaker 2>than I already have. The panic attacks are here, They're

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<v Speaker 2>not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>But I find I process information incorrectly that I have

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<v Speaker 4>to challenge my thoughts, okay, of what people are saying

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<v Speaker 4>to me and taking everything that they say as being valid.

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<v Speaker 4>Where in the position that I was in, there's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of blame, you know, fix this, And I was

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<v Speaker 4>internalizing all that. I guess my personality is stuff is

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<v Speaker 4>such as to bring peace and resolve, and sometimes you

517
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<v Speaker 4>can't do it when it's correct. Yes, But I was

518
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<v Speaker 4>taking what they were giving to me and to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Every day, all day long, all day long. Family kids,

520
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<v Speaker 2>grown adults do it all the time. But again, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know the wood boundaries. Maybe I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>the wood boundaries. And that's probably what we haven't common.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that one word boundaries, right, And I remember that

524
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<v Speaker 2>that psychiatrist lady saying, you know, do you have boundaries?

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<v Speaker 2>I go, did she apologize to you? Yes she did.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, she did apologize to me. Remember I

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<v Speaker 2>told you that she said, I want I'm called to

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<v Speaker 2>say I'm sorry to you. You twenty years later, two

529
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<v Speaker 2>plus decades later, I said, well, it's okay, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Look you didn't know, and now I can read all

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<v Speaker 2>this on Google. So but my point is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know why you're feeling the way you're feeling.

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<v Speaker 4>Not until I really stop and think about it, because

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<v Speaker 4>I go in automatic and then I have to think

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<v Speaker 4>about my thoughts because I think initially I react physically

536
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<v Speaker 4>shortness of breath.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked you that before and you said, no, you

538
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<v Speaker 2>don't get that. This isn't to me. No, I want

539
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<v Speaker 2>to get this out. Or so, you do have shortness

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<v Speaker 2>of breath. You do feel that suffocation that I said,

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<v Speaker 2>he can't get a deep breath and you feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you just said it. You get shortness of breath?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I do, and I owe you ar co patment

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<v Speaker 4>doctors at the end of the day, Okay, you talk,

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel you can talk to five different people and

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<v Speaker 2>we're all going to have five different symptoms. Period. None

548
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<v Speaker 2>of ours are personal. Yes, none of ours are going

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<v Speaker 2>to emulate each other except the one thing. We keep

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<v Speaker 2>going to doctors looking for the problem. Right now, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you to take it to a level while trying to

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<v Speaker 2>see what we're sick. We're physically sick, well, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>physically sick, obviously there's something emotional. They did the same

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<v Speaker 2>with me Where to go. We think you having seizures,

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<v Speaker 2>put me on tag with Tall for seizure medication. I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't having seizures. It was crazy back then. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>everybody hold that thought. I hold my own thought. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting Stumble you listen to his nails on WBZ

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 3>Sponsored by new Brook Realty Group, Boston, would Smaller Insurance,

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<v Speaker 2>Brom And welcome back the say stumpo toughest Nails on WBZ.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're in the studio. And I've turned into a builder,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I've been a builder, and now I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>a delt daycare center for my guys, and I'm a mom,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm a marriage counselor to my clients. And now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna shrink when it comes to panic attacks with

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<v Speaker 2>Lynn and I right now right here. Okay, So that's

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<v Speaker 2>the show today, Lynn. What's your bottom line here? Talk

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<v Speaker 2>to me bottom of the let's go okay, your blonde,

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<v Speaker 2>blue eyed and I'm like, come on, I'm gonna gem

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<v Speaker 2>my fist down your throat, let's go. Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks. I really feel as I go on in life

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<v Speaker 4>trying to deal with episode modes of trauma and panic,

575
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<v Speaker 4>that a lot of it is in my mind. So

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<v Speaker 4>I have to stop challenge myself with my thoughts, and

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<v Speaker 4>I feel that I have the ability to turn the

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<v Speaker 4>wheel by talking to myself. Where is this coming from?

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<v Speaker 4>Is this true?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Is it working?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and you're getting somewhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you come from a family that no one talked

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<v Speaker 5>about any correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? German?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So how long after did your dad die that you

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<v Speaker 5>started feeling this way?

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<v Speaker 4>My dad passed away the first of March and.

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<v Speaker 5>You had them the same month.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yes.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think that, like you felt free enough to

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<v Speaker 5>actually feel whatever you're feeling and pent up for years

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<v Speaker 5>of your family holding feelings in.

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<v Speaker 4>Doctor Sammy, Yes, I think so so. And I was

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<v Speaker 4>going through the grief, I was going through talk counseling,

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<v Speaker 4>but never had I had the physical elements come in

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<v Speaker 4>that were stifling me.

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<v Speaker 5>So do you think that maybe as a kid you

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<v Speaker 5>did that but didn't remember that because you couldn't talk

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<v Speaker 5>about it, so you had to feel it inside.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I was a free spirit. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>I was a school teacher for two years and I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>to really learn, I want to be a flight attendant.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to travel, meet new people.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was off.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I just did anything, would move anywhere to.

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<v Speaker 2>Avoid No, not all. Yes, every living her life is

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<v Speaker 2>a freebird.

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<v Speaker 5>But that doesn't mean you don't care what your family thinks.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, she cared.

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<v Speaker 4>No I didn't. I didn't. But as you get older, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>and they sam.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, she did say that she felt like she was

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<v Speaker 5>never good enough for her family, so somewhere she did

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<v Speaker 5>think it. Yes I did, so I think her freebird

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<v Speaker 5>was to escape that feeling.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, it was more exciting to go to Paris and

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<v Speaker 4>minds then to a town in southwest Virginia. I just

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<v Speaker 4>didn't think they got me.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just give you a little light here on this.

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<v Speaker 2>There have been people that have been sexually molested, that

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<v Speaker 2>physically abuse their whole lives right battered women, battered children.

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<v Speaker 2>I keep going and never ever ever suffered a panic

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<v Speaker 2>attack later on life. Okay, there's something, whether it's in

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<v Speaker 2>the brain, whether it's lack of you know, dopamine, there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many The brain is such a complicated muscle, as

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<v Speaker 2>they tell me that, we can sit here and try

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<v Speaker 2>to figure this out from here. So another twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>I've already spent enough time, thirty three years of dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with these. They're still as fearful as the day had them.

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<v Speaker 2>People are still you know, in shock when they go, oh,

633
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<v Speaker 2>Cinney Stumpo has panic attacks, Like when I never was

634
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<v Speaker 2>ambarressed to talk about them, So people putting labels over

635
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 2>your heads, like, you know, why would she have panic attacks?

636
00:33:57.880 --> 00:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Why?

637
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, why wouldn't I? So I'm not afraid to talk

638
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.079
<v Speaker 2>about them. And actually, if my grandmother and my mother

639
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.279
<v Speaker 2>did more talking about them, maybe today we'd have a

640
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<v Speaker 2>cure for them. But we don't because everybody hid. You know, right,

641
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>my grandmother said she used to run the bathroom and

642
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:18.559
<v Speaker 2>call a doctor and say, doctor Goldberg, I'm dying. You're

643
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:21.079
<v Speaker 2>not dying, eleanor I'm dying gets to the house, right,

644
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.960
<v Speaker 2>and then the operators listening on the phone and telling

645
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>everybody in the town then and Ellen, that's big attacks, right,

646
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:28.639
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the thing was.

647
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<v Speaker 4>I just put something together with what Sammy said about

648
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.639
<v Speaker 4>my upbringing and not being good enough. So when I'm

649
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:40.719
<v Speaker 4>in a situation, well thank you. When I'm on and

650
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.559
<v Speaker 4>I think I'm good enough to but thank you. But

651
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:47.800
<v Speaker 4>when I'm on the plane and it hits the fan

652
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.559
<v Speaker 4>and people are angry and they start.

653
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Last, are you avoiding work? Oh?

654
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<v Speaker 3>These?

655
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:55.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh no?

656
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good good, good good?

657
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<v Speaker 5>No?

658
00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:58.559
<v Speaker 4>I love my work.

659
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you haven't avoided anything. Grocery store, a wall, nothing, No,

660
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 2>So if you have them, you still go back to them,

661
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.320
<v Speaker 2>if you Yeah, have you had one a supermarket yet?

662
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:08.119
<v Speaker 5>No?

663
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.119
<v Speaker 4>I don't talk to anybody, okay. So it's usually when

664
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<v Speaker 4>i'm interacting people with people and I'm probably trying to

665
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.559
<v Speaker 4>get their approval. Hey, I'm offering you good service. I'm

666
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.360
<v Speaker 4>doing this, and the toxic people their thoughts get in.

667
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.639
<v Speaker 4>I process it as something that I'm not doing right,

668
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.679
<v Speaker 4>and therefore I try to challenge their thoughts and say

669
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<v Speaker 4>is this valid?

670
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Is this right?

671
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 4>Where before I'd probably take it in and start to

672
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.519
<v Speaker 4>have physical reactions. Are you looking at your physician assistant.

673
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at my pre that means going to stick

674
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.719
<v Speaker 2>the clock my face, so I know it comes in

675
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 2>here because they that's what you do. You take us

676
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 2>all off on. But it seems like we definitely have

677
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:01.599
<v Speaker 2>two different versions of peddic attacks, which is sure, yeah,

678
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>because I avoid If I had one here, I stopped

679
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:05.679
<v Speaker 2>going to movie theater. If I had one here, I

680
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.320
<v Speaker 2>stopped going near to my world God much smaller and smaller.

681
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<v Speaker 2>So I decided, listen, stop the Cindy, or you're gonna

682
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.639
<v Speaker 2>become an agroaphobic. So you need to go. You gotta go,

683
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:16.960
<v Speaker 2>whether you like it or not. The funny pot is,

684
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:18.119
<v Speaker 2>does that work?

685
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:19.679
<v Speaker 1>You know?

686
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.960
<v Speaker 2>No, I haven't been to a supermarket by myself since

687
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty six years old. Are you kidding me? I've left

688
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>baskets full of cots and a run out like do

689
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Google people do that?

690
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:31.159
<v Speaker 5>Like?

691
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Or I'll literally see in front of you, I'll pay

692
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 2>for all your groceries. Just go.

693
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:37.360
<v Speaker 4>Just let me get in front of you.

694
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll stand there with my credit card and we'll get

695
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:41.400
<v Speaker 2>all my groceries through and then you end up with

696
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.719
<v Speaker 2>two three dollars with the groceries. Just let me get

697
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:45.320
<v Speaker 2>in front of you. Sometimes I've done that in front

698
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 2>of two three people because I can't stand in line,

699
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.840
<v Speaker 2>so me and grocery will follow you into No, we

700
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:52.519
<v Speaker 2>don't do good. We don't do good at a certain

701
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:56.360
<v Speaker 2>red light, then it happens. Look, I know, I don't

702
00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:00.320
<v Speaker 2>know why I have them, but you do. And that's

703
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 2>the greatest thing because you can go work on these.

704
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I have them, and there lies

705
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the problem, right, I know, I know I have I'm

706
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:13.559
<v Speaker 2>under a lot of pressure all day, for sure, But

707
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:15.679
<v Speaker 2>there are people that have even bigger positions than I

708
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:17.039
<v Speaker 2>do with the more pressure than I have.

709
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:18.840
<v Speaker 4>But I don't compare yourself.

710
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna and I don't care what people think

711
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.199
<v Speaker 2>like I don't care. Like you can say that you want, right,

712
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 2>It all depends, it's how you say it, Like I don't. Look.

713
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:28.639
<v Speaker 2>You don't put yourself on TV. You don't put yourself

714
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.159
<v Speaker 2>on national radio and be the first female developer builder

715
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:34.920
<v Speaker 2>in the state of Massachusetts and worry about what people

716
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>are gonna think about you. People gonna hate on you,

717
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 2>no matter what right, people are gonna draw from you.

718
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:43.639
<v Speaker 2>But on an airplane if that's and you love flying,

719
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:45.880
<v Speaker 2>which I hope I never get you on a plane

720
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 2>because I'm the one that will give you toxicness. I'll

721
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.440
<v Speaker 2>be going, lady, I'm very scared right now? Can you

722
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:53.400
<v Speaker 2>do this? Can you do that? I'm I walk in

723
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:53.800
<v Speaker 2>the plane.

724
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:55.639
<v Speaker 5>The part she's okay with, she's not okay with the

725
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:57.400
<v Speaker 5>part when someone is rude.

726
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:01.679
<v Speaker 4>Right, I get over that. Now I've learned too rude.

727
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:03.920
<v Speaker 2>And they're condescending. Why do you take that, parzel?

728
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:05.599
<v Speaker 5>Because your job is an active service.

729
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.400
<v Speaker 2>No, I gotta tell you something. This has changed a

730
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 2>lot students. Is a stuarts. Actually it goes the other way. Now,

731
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.119
<v Speaker 2>you guys got a little edge to you guys up there.

732
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.400
<v Speaker 4>Okay, it depends on the individual.

733
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:19.639
<v Speaker 2>The new the new ones have an edge if you're

734
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:20.559
<v Speaker 2>in first class there right now.

735
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:22.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm going on my thirty ninth year.

736
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.079
<v Speaker 2>So you know the change has happened, you see it? Yes, right,

737
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:29.559
<v Speaker 2>you see I'm still the old days dealty air Lines.

738
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.800
<v Speaker 2>It was like what can we do for you? Now

739
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like what can we did for you? Like it's

740
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 2>like what excuse me? You want what coke? Yeah that'll

741
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:38.199
<v Speaker 2>be an hour.

742
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 4>But I still have that attitude.

743
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 2>So you're still an old You're that old school students,

744
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.639
<v Speaker 2>not old ones. No, but look it, I'm thirty years

745
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:48.639
<v Speaker 2>in business. You know you're thirty nine years of students.

746
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:51.440
<v Speaker 4>But that's why I joined. It was going to be

747
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.760
<v Speaker 4>every flight was going to be a dinner party. I

748
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:59.360
<v Speaker 4>had the meals. Okay, peanuts now are pretzels I.

749
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Can offering you guys give nothing on these planes.

750
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:05.679
<v Speaker 4>We give what we got and sometimes that's ourself. We

751
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.599
<v Speaker 4>can't influence everything. But I mean it was it's a

752
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 4>party every flight. I have an opportunity to work with

753
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:19.079
<v Speaker 4>fun people, go to exciting places and meet very interesting But.

754
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>You went from a stage where you kind of start

755
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 2>to know a lot of your clients coming in off

756
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.519
<v Speaker 2>the plane. Did you get your regulars used to not

757
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:29.840
<v Speaker 2>anymore correct? And you like seeing those the same faces?

758
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.800
<v Speaker 2>You got to know them. You're stationed out of Boston.

759
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure right love Boston, okay.

760
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Because we can talk about sports, we can.

761
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Talk about anything and everything. We don't care, that's right,

762
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:42.880
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be massed holes.

763
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:45.679
<v Speaker 4>Now I can talk about you.

764
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.920
<v Speaker 2>But again, you know your job. Like when I have

765
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:56.559
<v Speaker 2>an empathetic students, that makes my flight so much better.

766
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:58.679
<v Speaker 2>They come over. But I walk on the plane. I

767
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:00.519
<v Speaker 2>tell the pilot, the copilot, I don't like to fly.

768
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Where were going? We fly over water lie and blah

769
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.480
<v Speaker 2>blah blah, raised running to the back of the plane,

770
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<v Speaker 2>going I'm not with her. Where we're sitting in the

771
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 2>pale copalate very kind to me and then the one

772
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.199
<v Speaker 2>students will always find me and warm up to me. Excellent,

773
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.079
<v Speaker 2>And that's what can't speak to the flight right, Yes,

774
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:18.280
<v Speaker 2>that empathetic person. Epithet empathety. Hold on, We're going to wait,

775
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:19.880
<v Speaker 2>come sis stumble and he goes, tough.

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<v Speaker 4>Of nails time, w Bz'll be right back.

777
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<v Speaker 2>Night and welcome back to toughest nails And I'm city

778
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<v Speaker 2>stumbo wbz. Lynn, you got forty seconds to tell me

779
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 2>how you're going to change your life because I'm not changing,

780
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.119
<v Speaker 2>so I'm stuck with my paning attacks you. You're done

781
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:48.079
<v Speaker 2>in six months. How's that?

782
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, thanks for the encouragement. I appreciate that. And I

783
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 4>don't want you to give up either. And being a

784
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.880
<v Speaker 4>strong person that helps tremendously not to let anybody miss

785
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.239
<v Speaker 4>with you. And you've got Sammy, your support, your kind, loving,

786
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 4>easy going go with the flow supports this and.

787
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.599
<v Speaker 2>You got your dogs. Yeah, but I will guarantee you

788
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:12.639
<v Speaker 2>we can talk in six months back in the studio,

789
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna be a lot better, and you're gonna

790
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.480
<v Speaker 2>say to me, Cindy, you're right, and I'll be still

791
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.679
<v Speaker 2>standing in the same shoes. And now I'm gonna still

792
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.199
<v Speaker 2>have them, but there's a difference. You already figured out

793
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:23.960
<v Speaker 2>why you have them. I haven't figured out why I

794
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.639
<v Speaker 2>have mine. Everybody, have a great, safe weekend and we'll

795
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>see you next weekend. This is Cindy Stumbo tap his

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<v Speaker 2>nails on WBZ