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<v Speaker 1>The late nineteen eighties and the early nineteen nineties in Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 1>Australia were marked by a series of heinous crimes, ones

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<v Speaker 1>that sent shockwaves through the community and left a horrible

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<v Speaker 1>mark on the nation psyche. These crimes were perpetrated by

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<v Speaker 1>an individual known only as mister Kruel, a meticulous and

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<v Speaker 1>calculating predator whose primary target was young girls he watched,

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<v Speaker 1>bited his time, and abducted these girls from the homes

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<v Speaker 1>they lived in. This is the case of mister Kruel.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked Ingram,

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<v Speaker 2>a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast material intended for a mature audience. Massive

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<v Speaker 1>news in the true crime world. Earlier this week, Robert

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<v Speaker 1>picked In passed away. He was assaulted while in jail,

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<v Speaker 1>and he died of those injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The world, in my opinion, is way better off right

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<v Speaker 1>now without that man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, I'm honestly a bit surprised that it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen much sooner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was a very evil man.

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<v Speaker 2>Spoke a lot of lives, that man some evil things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and yeah, I'm surprised no one else went at

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<v Speaker 1>him while behind bars. Yeah, but as one of our

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<v Speaker 1>patrons actually mentioned that. Now with his death solidifies the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that we may never know the names behind all

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<v Speaker 1>of his victims.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is too bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, I mean, he wasn't going to give it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows for sure if he would have even given.

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<v Speaker 1>That up, So he wouldn't have he reveled in that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way he was giving up those names. Never

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<v Speaker 1>es we covered that case. Actually believe you did that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I had a two parter with that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you kind of need it, yeah, for Foozy for.

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<v Speaker 1>Picked In, no kidding, So if you want to check

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<v Speaker 1>that out, that's in our library, go and scroll back,

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<v Speaker 1>find it, give it a listen. But yeah, he's no

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<v Speaker 1>longer here, so good riddance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no shit.

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<v Speaker 1>On a nicer note, we did a true crime thing

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<v Speaker 1>at home, a little date night. We had a free

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<v Speaker 1>date night. That was fun, fun, and we solved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Took us about four hours together.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Is that good or bad?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. He went through a bottle of wine,

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<v Speaker 1>solved it in four hours. It was our first ever one, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. It was quite a depth. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite realize how much there was going to be to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was a fair amount.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there was just so many articles, so much little

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<v Speaker 2>readings to do. We even had to log into like

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<v Speaker 2>a fake email on email email online and read some emails.

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<v Speaker 1>And to be honest, I think our first hour was

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<v Speaker 1>just like understanding what we got ourselves into, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>holy shit, Yeah, there's there's this fake email we have

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<v Speaker 1>to log into online and all this paperwork and these photos.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Once we finally started like making a list of who

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<v Speaker 1>the suspects were and stuff and really getting into it,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we did a lot better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we'll we'll do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>We definitely will.

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<v Speaker 2>Good date Night, I like.

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<v Speaker 1>It definitely will. No no sponsorship or affiliation, But if

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<v Speaker 2>Was a thirty five bucks or something. Yeah, like Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really awesome. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the fact that Alyssa put in fur babies.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I kind of love that too. I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 2>no one has done that yet. Yeah, no kidding, we

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<v Speaker 2>would show it out with the fur babies, Come on.

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<v Speaker 1>No kidding. Anyways, this is a doozy of a case.

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<v Speaker 1>This is mister cruel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from the intro, I'm not sure I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not not too great. But we are headed

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<v Speaker 1>back to Australia for this. We've we've been spending some

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in Australia proverbially in these cases recently, so I

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<v Speaker 1>think after this one I'm going to try and spread

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<v Speaker 1>my wings to some other places around the world for

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit but when I discovered this case, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, we got to cover it.

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<v Speaker 2>So was the very last one Australia as well?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what her last episode was. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>putting me on the spot. What was our last episode?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember? No? I do you spend days researching

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<v Speaker 1>this and I'm like reading another book on another case?

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<v Speaker 2>Shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Lindsay n Hawker? I don't think that was Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>was it? I know the poor Arthur massacre was?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So it's just it's just we've done a few

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<v Speaker 2>in the last like couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, okay, I don't was Lindsay and Hawker Australian?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember whatever this case okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Just really quickly, A lot of people ask like how

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<v Speaker 2>we cope, and I think it's just that we do

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<v Speaker 2>an episode in and it just leaves our brains pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, Lindsay was in Japan, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, yes, yes, yes, okay, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, moving on to the next case is generally how

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<v Speaker 1>we cope. It's kind of like, yeah, onto the next

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<v Speaker 1>horrible fucking thing that happened like this one.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you ready, I am. I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 2>say someone actually asked me the other day if like,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll ever run out of things. It's like, nope, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I don't think we will, which is actually terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>There. Yeah, there's no way we're ever going to run

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<v Speaker 1>out of true crime. I bet you we could do

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<v Speaker 1>a life's worth of true crime episodes on a year

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<v Speaker 1>of occurrences of crime in the British Columbia Province alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I bet you. That's terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, Okay, that's where we live BC. Just throwing

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<v Speaker 1>that over.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough of this, sorry, let's we'll move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, we digress onto the case. So, as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going over to Australia, and we're particularly going to Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the capital of the Australian state of Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it is known for its vibrant culture, diverse population,

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<v Speaker 1>and historical landmarks. By the nineteen eighties, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>bustling metropolis, home to millions of residents and known for

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<v Speaker 1>its high quality of life. However, the city's piece would

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<v Speaker 1>soon be shattered by the emergence of a predator who

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<v Speaker 1>preyed on the most vulnerable members of society children. On

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<v Speaker 1>July seventh, nineteen eighty eight, an article titled Mother Battles

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<v Speaker 1>Blanket Blaze appeared in the Sun newspaper featuring Julie Wills

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<v Speaker 1>and her daughters in their bedroom after a fire caused

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<v Speaker 1>by the faulty electrical blanket. So they're they're pictured, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the bedroom and they're pos kind of like sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on the bunk bed and they're you know, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, we almost burnt our house down. Thankfully

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't post it in the newspaper, right So six

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<v Speaker 1>months later, after that article was posted, on Boxing Day,

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<v Speaker 1>December twenty sixth, nineteen eighty eight, the Wills family returned

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<v Speaker 1>to their home at eleven Hillcrest Avenue, Ringwood. At around

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<v Speaker 1>ten pm. John and Julie Wills put their four daughters

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper photo months earlier. John finally turned off the lights

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<v Speaker 1>in the home at quite late or early, at four

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<v Speaker 1>fifty am in the morning, which was only about an

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<v Speaker 1>hour before sunrise at the time. What he or the

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<v Speaker 1>family were unaware of was what was outside in the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone was watching and if they had been observing the

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<v Speaker 1>house since the family returned, and they had been waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for the moment to strike for the lights to go out.

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<v Speaker 1>They would have been waiting and watching for a total

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<v Speaker 1>of seven hours. The man waited an extra thirty minutes afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>just after those lights were turned out, just to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure before he finally made his move. Now, the house

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<v Speaker 1>key was left in the back door lock, but on

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<v Speaker 1>the inside of the door, so when he approached the

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<v Speaker 1>back door, it is locked. There's no key available, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did know what the key was left on

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<v Speaker 1>the inside, so he used a tool to push through

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<v Speaker 1>the lock and pop the key out. It fell to

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<v Speaker 1>the floor inside the home. However, he knew this was

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen too, and he had slid a newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>underneath the crack of the door, and the key fell

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the newspaper, and from then he pulled

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<v Speaker 1>the newspaper, giving him access to the key. He put

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<v Speaker 1>the key in the lock, turned it and unlocked the

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<v Speaker 1>upon entering the home, the man burst into John and

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<v Speaker 1>Julie Wills's bedroom, turning the light on. He was dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in dark blue overalls, gloves, and a black bellick clava

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<v Speaker 1>with white and possibly red stitching around the eyes and

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<v Speaker 1>dark colored handgun. He was also carrying a bag flashlight.

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<v Speaker 1>Julie Wills's reflex is instantly kicked in and she screamed

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<v Speaker 1>the man quickly silenced her by holding a gun to

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<v Speaker 1>her husband's head and said, you're not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a hero, are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of lot to unpack you already, hey.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of yeah, And like so he got this came

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<v Speaker 2>in contact with this family because of the newspaper thing. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>is that what you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying, that's speculation?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I hate that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so what I do touch on that here in

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, so I'll cover it then. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that is the speculation.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, that's just something that you wouldn't really think of.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're warning people both these electric blankets, which

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<v Speaker 2>I do use. So that's a little alarming.

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<v Speaker 1>Well this was the eighties too, right, eight I believe so.

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<v Speaker 2>But then that's like putting your family in more danger.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh wow, Okay, Well, the man who's now holding

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<v Speaker 1>them hostage, forced both the two of them onto their

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<v Speaker 1>stomachs and bound their hands and feet with copper electrical wire,

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<v Speaker 1>and began demanding money. He took thirty five dollars from

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<v Speaker 1>John's wallet and then cut the phone cord with pliers

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<v Speaker 1>that he had found in the house. One of their daughters, Sharon,

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<v Speaker 1>woke up to the mother's screaming and heard the man's voice.

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<v Speaker 1>She lay frozen as the intruder entered her room. The

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<v Speaker 1>and he commanded her to get up and out of bed.

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<v Speaker 1>He selected several items of her clothing for her to

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<v Speaker 1>John's checkered lumberjacket from the hatstand, and he also gave

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<v Speaker 1>muffle her screams, he shoved a red ball into her mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>The man began assuring her that he wouldn't hurt her

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<v Speaker 1>and would return her by morning. He then blindfolded her

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<v Speaker 1>and placed her in the passenger seat floor of the

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<v Speaker 1>after which he sexually assaulted and raped and abused the

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<v Speaker 1>ten year old Sharon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's just fucking devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a reason that call this man mister Krule.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's that's putting it nicely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, despite being blindfolded, Sharon sends that the man

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<v Speaker 1>had a hairy chest and possibly even facial hair, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of a beer sort of thing. After the assault,

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<v Speaker 1>he gave her milk and a stale veggimite sandwich, which,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe one day, but I don't even know what the

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<v Speaker 2>hell that is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an Australian thing. Oh, it's kind of like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. It seems like a like a jam of

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<v Speaker 1>some sort, like a jelly maybe, I don't know. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a spread for bread and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really dark and I have no idea what it's

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<v Speaker 1>made of. But vegemite. Yeah, okay. Anyways, he gave her

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<v Speaker 1>a stale vegemite sandwich and he leashed her to the

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<v Speaker 1>bed by her neck, and then he left. Sharon managed

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<v Speaker 1>was now being held in. She noticed a wooden tripod

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<v Speaker 1>and a camera set up for filming.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you're fucking me.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything she just endured was most likely being captured on camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm, gosh, you don't even know what to say to

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<v Speaker 2>shit like that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's low, That is fucked up. That is so disgusting. Yeah. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The man would return late, and he forced Sharon to

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<v Speaker 1>bathe once again and then assaulted her in another room. Afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>he dressed her in a shirt and he had taken

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<v Speaker 1>her from the home, wrapped her in garbage bags, and

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<v Speaker 1>carried her to the car. At around eleven fifteen pm,

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<v Speaker 1>the man stopped the car and began carrying Sharon for

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<v Speaker 1>some distance before he put her down at Baywaters High School.

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<v Speaker 1>He removed her blindfold and garbage bags and instructed her

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<v Speaker 1>on how to reach a nearby food plus store. He

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<v Speaker 1>warned her not to look at him as he left.

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<v Speaker 1>Just after midnight, a woman found Sharon at the corner

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<v Speaker 1>of Orchard and Armstrong Roads. Sharon calmly told her, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>early this morning. A man left me here and told

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<v Speaker 1>me to go ring home. The woman took Sharon to

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<v Speaker 1>her home and called the police. So, yeah, we of

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<v Speaker 1>course happy to have Sharon back at home. But the question,

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<v Speaker 1>of course everyone's wondering, you know, who is this dude, right,

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<v Speaker 1>who's this man and his thought? Whoever had done this

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<v Speaker 1>potentially seen that newspaper article six months prior and had

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<v Speaker 1>decided to target Sharon in that moment, which meant he

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<v Speaker 1>had been stalking and watching the family for six months. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>now you do recall when he entered her room he

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<v Speaker 1>called her by name, Yes he did. He knew exactly

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<v Speaker 1>who she was, he knew what she looked like, he

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<v Speaker 1>knew her name. Shone the light at her and said, Sharon, good.

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<v Speaker 2>God, just having just the thought of someone like knowing

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<v Speaker 2>or thinking that they had been watching you for that long.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, my our dogs stared us for too long, and

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<v Speaker 1>I get uncomfortable. I'm like, what do you want?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you need? Stop man? I mean because and

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<v Speaker 2>you think, oh, you think you'd notice or something, right, potentially, No,

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<v Speaker 2>like there, because you wouldn't be looking for that expecting that.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, there was some alleged reports of a prowler

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<v Speaker 1>in the area before the abduction.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, oh so some people maybe did notice him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, some did. And there was actually a witness who

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that a man that someone saw a man filming

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<v Speaker 1>the Willis's house with a JBC video camera six weeks

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<v Speaker 1>before the abduction.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, so.

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<v Speaker 1>There is claims of this alleged person. Now. The man

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<v Speaker 1>was described as thirty to thirty five years old, balding,

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<v Speaker 1>with brown hair and a pot belly.

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<v Speaker 2>Younger than I thought, or yeah, younger than I thought

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<v Speaker 2>he'd be.

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<v Speaker 1>He apparently would like when he was caught filming whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>He quickly left when he was disturbed, packing his camera

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<v Speaker 1>into a gold Ford trunk before driving away. The Willis

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<v Speaker 1>family estimated his height to be between one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three and one hundred and eighty centimeters, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like five ft nine or something like that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere around there are just under six feet. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>exactly sure we're sentiment's converting the feet, but yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>had a thin to medium build and his age was,

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<v Speaker 1>as I already mentioned, described as thirty to thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>from the witnesses. However, the willis but believed him to

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<v Speaker 1>be mid twenties to thirties. Okay, some reports suggest that

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<v Speaker 1>he might be even younger based on his voice. So

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<v Speaker 1>we are looking at someone quite young, up to thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>and even younger than twenty potentially.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, to the Wills, his voice sounded well spoken, with

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<v Speaker 1>no discernible accent. Now, to authorities, this could be the

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<v Speaker 1>work of only one man, someone they were actually already

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with, someone by the moniker mister Kruel. Now. The

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<v Speaker 1>Sun newspaper gave him this moniker mister krule after police

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<v Speaker 1>described a serial home invasion rapist in November of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven as quote super cool and super cruel and

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<v Speaker 1>by cool like calm, cool and collective. Oh okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not like, hey, that's a radical awesome dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a freaking opposite of cool.

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<v Speaker 1>No, like he's he keeps as cool. Sort of thing

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense now at the time, police believed that

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<v Speaker 1>the same perpetrator was responsible for three rapes, and the

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<v Speaker 1>first is in nineteen eighty five of a woman and

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<v Speaker 1>again in nineteen eighty seven. So we do have as

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned that the Sun had described him as a

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<v Speaker 1>serial invasion rapist. So yeah, serial home invasion rapist.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it children?

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<v Speaker 1>Not all of them? No? No, it was nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five and nineteen eighty seven they were both women. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was another in nineteen eighty seven that just

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<v Speaker 1>might be mister Corule's first instance of targeting a younger girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, this guy, which brings us to our next

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<v Speaker 1>incident here, of course it does. Yeah, so now this

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<v Speaker 1>one actually predates because this is the first incident of

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<v Speaker 1>a younger girl. So this is in the early hours

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<v Speaker 1>of Saturday, August twenty second, nineteen eighty seven, a family

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<v Speaker 1>of four in Lower Plenty, Melbourne were targeted at around

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<v Speaker 1>four a m. Mister Krule broke into their home by

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<v Speaker 1>quietly shattering a room window of the home the front

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<v Speaker 1>of the house. The intruder was dressed in an open faced,

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<v Speaker 1>navy blue belliclava, yellow surgical gloves and a blue waterproof

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<v Speaker 1>zip up jacket beneath a brown tweed jacket. Armed and

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<v Speaker 1>well prepared, the assailant carried a small black handgun, a

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen knife, several sets of handcuffs, red and white nylon cord,

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<v Speaker 1>a small gray bag resembling a child's library bag, and

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<v Speaker 1>three rolls of colored electrical tape, along with alestoplasty surgical tape.

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<v Speaker 1>Elastoplasty surgical tape. There we go. He headed immediately straight

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<v Speaker 1>to the parents bedroom, upon breaking in, forcing them into

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<v Speaker 1>their stomach and restraining them with their hands and ankles

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<v Speaker 1>behind their back with handcuffs. Sounding familiar, hey, very The

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<v Speaker 1>parents were of course terrified, but remember the man saying

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<v Speaker 1>this to them, be quiet and don't move or I'll

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<v Speaker 1>hurt someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. I just like that, just the feeling of that, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're in your children or in the other room.

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<v Speaker 2>My god.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and through all this, as I mentioned, he keeps

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<v Speaker 1>as cool. He is very calm collected throughout all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I sort of feel like that is expect

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<v Speaker 2>Like I would expect that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean think about this way, like like someone's like

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<v Speaker 1>doing something like this. You would think adrenaline might be pumping,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe breathing heavy or something like that. No, he's stone

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<v Speaker 1>fucking cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like this is just a normal day, like an

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<v Speaker 2>average day for him.

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<v Speaker 1>So the intruder then woke up the seven year old

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<v Speaker 1>son and eleven year old daughter, hurting them into their

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<v Speaker 1>parents' bedroom. He tied the son to the bed and

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<v Speaker 1>bound the daughter's hands. All the victims were gagged with

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<v Speaker 1>electrical tape, and the children were blindfolded with surgical tape.

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<v Speaker 1>With everyone in the family now immobilized, the intruder demanded cash,

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<v Speaker 1>a first aid kit, clothes, a shower, food, and a shave. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>All I want is money, food and clothes. How much

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<v Speaker 1>money is in the house. He forced the parents into

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<v Speaker 1>a wardrobe, covering them with a blanket, and appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>make a phone call. Then led the eleven year old

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<v Speaker 1>girl to another room where he made her brush her

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<v Speaker 1>teeth and bathe. Then he sexually assaulted.

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<v Speaker 2>Her in her own home.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>He then took her to the kitchen, where he ate

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<v Speaker 1>some of the food in the kitchen, some cold lamb biscuits, milk,

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<v Speaker 1>orange juice, before assaulting her once again.

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<v Speaker 2>God okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He left the girl in a lounge chair while he

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<v Speaker 1>checked on her parents and brother in the master bedroom. Returning,

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<v Speaker 1>he tied at her ankles with nylon cord, made her

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<v Speaker 1>sit in a chair, and instructed, quote, I'm going out now,

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<v Speaker 1>so count to one hundred slowly, then you can free

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<v Speaker 1>your parents. Before leaving, he picked up the broken glass

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<v Speaker 1>from the lounge room floor and ripped the telephone from

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<v Speaker 1>the wall. When she heard the front door close, the

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<v Speaker 1>girl freed herself and her family. It was about six am.

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<v Speaker 1>The intruder had been in the house for nearly two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Man eleven and ten. Hey, that is so disturbing. That

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<v Speaker 2>is like beyond disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really is. But that's who he's targeting. And

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<v Speaker 1>he went for like, you know, older women effort. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying like older women, but like grown ass adults

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<v Speaker 1>at first. Yeah, and then he for whatever reason made

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<v Speaker 1>the switch in this instant, which is quite the switch,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not sitting here saying he should have done

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<v Speaker 1>this or should have done that. But like he had

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<v Speaker 1>her mother there, so he right specifically chose who he

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I never really thought of it like that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, he had also stolen various items on his way

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<v Speaker 1>out of the home as well, including some of the

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<v Speaker 1>father's clothes, a jacket, razor, cash, jewelry, and even some

424
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<v Speaker 1>vinyl records which were apparently quite collectors collector's items. But

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<v Speaker 1>besides the point, the man dubbed as mister Krule was

426
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:37.880
<v Speaker 1>leaving residents in Australia absolutely horrified and authorities were scratching

427
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<v Speaker 1>their heads.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, this guy needs to get caught like a

429
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<v Speaker 2>sap here now.

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest thing, though, was the man seemed to plan

431
00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:48.480
<v Speaker 1>his attacks in extreme advance. Remember the case of Sharing,

432
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<v Speaker 1>like I said, it was six six months months. He's

433
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<v Speaker 1>most I think scouting out families for days, weeks, or

434
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<v Speaker 1>even as we just said, months at a time before

435
00:23:55.759 --> 00:24:00.519
<v Speaker 1>ever making his move. He executed his plan carefully, can insistently,

436
00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.359
<v Speaker 1>ensuring that he was well prepared to handle multiple people

437
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.200
<v Speaker 1>at once, ensuring he got what he wanted and through

438
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<v Speaker 1>it all stayed very calm.

439
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<v Speaker 2>Well then also doing it in the middle of the

440
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:15.160
<v Speaker 2>night too, because then you're just so getting woken up

441
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:16.640
<v Speaker 2>to that, right you're so alarmed.

442
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well not only so alarmed, but like you're

443
00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:22.359
<v Speaker 1>so discombobulated, right, like what's going.

444
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:24.440
<v Speaker 2>On and almost think you're dreaming or something.

445
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well you're in the pitch black lights turn on.

446
00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:30.440
<v Speaker 1>You can't fucking see. You're so out of it. What

447
00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.720
<v Speaker 1>the fuck is going on? Yeah, you're you're stunned for

448
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:37.880
<v Speaker 1>let's just say ten seconds. He's got advantage on you

449
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>for ten seconds. That's a lot.

450
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<v Speaker 2>That is a long time.

451
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<v Speaker 1>So now his next victim, this is after ten year

452
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<v Speaker 1>old sharing, will be a girl by the name of

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<v Speaker 1>Nikola Linz or Linus. Sorry not Linz, My apologies, read

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<v Speaker 1>that wrong. On the evening of Tuesday, July thirtieth, nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Linus and his wife Rosemary were picked up by

456
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<v Speaker 1>friends to attend a function, leaving their daughter's thirteen year

457
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:09.720
<v Speaker 1>old Nikola and fifteen year old Fiona at home that evening.

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<v Speaker 1>As on previous nights when they're you know, at home

459
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<v Speaker 1>alone or whatever and the parents are out doing whatever

460
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<v Speaker 1>it is, the girls ordered pizza. I remember being a kid,

461
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like parents are going to do with thing,

462
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<v Speaker 1>so you get.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Like take off, right, that's like so exciting.

464
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<v Speaker 1>So that's what they were doing. It's like, oh, parents

465
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<v Speaker 1>are out, we get pizza tonight, right, And the pizza

466
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<v Speaker 1>arrived at about ten oh five pm. The girls ate

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<v Speaker 1>their pizza and then they went to sleep at around

468
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<v Speaker 1>eleven pm. However, just twenty minutes later, a man wearing

469
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<v Speaker 1>gloves and a dark green belliciclava with creams stitching around

470
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<v Speaker 1>the eyes and mouth, forced open a window in the

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<v Speaker 1>parents' bedroom and entered the home Quietly. He made his

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<v Speaker 1>way through the home, down the hall and entered the

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<v Speaker 1>room where both of the girls were sleeping. Mister Krule

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<v Speaker 1>woke up Nikola by tapping her head with a long

475
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:06.799
<v Speaker 1>serrated carving knife and said, see this, this is a

476
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:13.160
<v Speaker 1>really sharp knife. Then in his other hand he held

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<v Speaker 1>a gun with a silver barrel and a brown wooden handle,

478
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:20.759
<v Speaker 1>and he said, this is a real gun. It shoots

479
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:24.000
<v Speaker 1>real bullets. Blow your heads off.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, this guy's a freaking piece of shit.

481
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's getting under your skin, isn't it.

482
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like this is so disturbing. I I am. Yeah.

483
00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:38.440
<v Speaker 1>I said it once already, and I'm sure I'm gonna

484
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.920
<v Speaker 1>say it more times. They call him mister Krule for

485
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:41.400
<v Speaker 1>a reason.

486
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:44.319
<v Speaker 2>I think there needs to be a worse name.

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00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, fair enough. Now, he led the sisters to

488
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.960
<v Speaker 1>their parents' bedroom. He forced the girl's face down on

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<v Speaker 1>the bed, hogtied Fiona with galvanized wire and took Nicola

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<v Speaker 1>to the kitchen, where he cut the phone line. Cruel

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<v Speaker 1>then led Nikola to her own bedroom, told her to

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<v Speaker 1>get dressed in her school blazer, and took several items

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00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.799
<v Speaker 1>of clothing from her drawer, which he would then stuff

494
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>into a beach bag, a ken done beach bag. He

495
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:17.759
<v Speaker 1>asked about her father's employment and told Fiona he was

496
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.839
<v Speaker 1>kidnapping Nicola for a ransom of twenty five thousand dollars,

497
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.519
<v Speaker 1>stating he would call their father the following morning to claimant.

498
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:31.799
<v Speaker 1>So at eleven forty seven pm, mister Kruele left with Nikola,

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00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:35.960
<v Speaker 1>placing her in the front seat of the Linus family

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00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>car parked in the driveway. He took the keys from

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00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:42.119
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen. He told her to get down under the

502
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:46.920
<v Speaker 1>dashboard and pulled her beanie over her eyes. Quote, crouch

503
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.759
<v Speaker 1>down on the floor, Get down low, get your head

504
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>right down.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the eleven year old, right, I believe.

506
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<v Speaker 1>So I'll have to go back, scroll back and see how.

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<v Speaker 2>Much no she is their okay, this is the older.

508
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.880
<v Speaker 1>No Fiona fifteen Nikola was.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh right, it was thirteen to fifteen. Sorry, okay, okay.

510
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<v Speaker 1>So he drove north out of the driveway and west

511
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 1>along Mont Albert Road before stopping and putting thick tape

512
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.759
<v Speaker 1>over Nikola's eyes and a belli clava over her head. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>If you try to see it will be very dangerous

514
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 1>for you, he told her. He then drove for a

515
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 1>while further and abandoned the car. He walked with Nicola

516
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 1>to another vehicle that was waiting and parked at as

517
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:38.119
<v Speaker 1>assumed a predetermined location, which shows the premeditation shows, the waiting,

518
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:42.119
<v Speaker 1>shows the planning. The drive from there lasted between ten

519
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.039
<v Speaker 1>to fifteen minutes before mister Krule pulled into a driveway,

520
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>led Nicola barefoot off the concrete driveway, up several steps,

521
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and threw a kitchen and into a bedroom where radio

522
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was playing. He removed the tape from her eyes and

523
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>replaced it with cotton pads, and he told her a

524
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:02.400
<v Speaker 1>quote keep your eye shut if you want to stay alive.

525
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:08.039
<v Speaker 1>He made her brush your teeth and take a bath. Quote,

526
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>you've got to clean yourself thoroughly, Clean your teeth thoroughly.

527
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.599
<v Speaker 1>Mister Krule leashed Nicola to the bed by her neck

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00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.519
<v Speaker 1>before turning off the radio and falling asleep next to her.

529
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Nikola lay awake all night, not being able to get

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00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.160
<v Speaker 1>an ounce of sleep and being afraid to move a.

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<v Speaker 2>Muscle, scared like shitless.

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00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>At ten am, mister Krule awoke. He turned on the

533
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>radio and took Nicola between the bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen.

534
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Throughout the day, he dressed her in school dress clothes,

535
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.039
<v Speaker 1>making a lot of people speculate that he had a

536
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>school girl fantasy sort of fetish, because these were some

537
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:55.240
<v Speaker 1>of the clothes that he had taken her home and

538
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 1>he was dressing her in. He also claimed that he

539
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:03.039
<v Speaker 1>had followed her home from her school. The next morning,

540
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:05.799
<v Speaker 1>he made her bathe again and dressed her in her

541
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>tennis skirt, and he began calling her Missy and Nikki,

542
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>which were names that her friends and family would often

543
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>call her, obviously suggesting that he'd been watching very closely.

544
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.799
<v Speaker 1>At two pm, he leashed Nicola to the bed again

545
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.079
<v Speaker 1>and gave her bread and water, quote, I'm just going

546
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:30.359
<v Speaker 1>to tie your feet up now, and he tied her

547
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>legs with wire and left, returning at five pm. Mister

548
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Krule then took Nikola to the bathroom, made her stand

549
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>on a sheet, and shower to avoid leaving any evidence

550
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>he replaced her eyepatch with tape, wrapped her in a sheet,

551
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.079
<v Speaker 1>and forced her into a car again, back onto the

552
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>passenger seat floor. Just before two am on Friday morning.

553
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>He released her and instructed her to count for a

554
00:30:54.920 --> 00:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>while before contacting authorities. Fifty hours after the ordeal began,

555
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Nikola knocked on the door and called her father. She

556
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>was safe.

557
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.680
<v Speaker 2>WHOA And so he didn't he didn't sexually assault her.

558
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.200
<v Speaker 1>There are some conflicting reports on whether she was sexually

559
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:18.920
<v Speaker 1>assaulted or not. Okay, Some sources say that he did

560
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.920
<v Speaker 1>in fact sexually assault or abuse her during the time

561
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>that she was held, similar to his other victims. Others

562
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>suggest that he didn't actually assault her and instead this

563
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>time it was more psychological sort of stuff he was doing,

564
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>like the nicknames and the dressing up and those things.

565
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, just the way you were talking, like this is

566
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>just like such a fucked up game to him.

567
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh it is, and it's he's fucking so twisted. There's

568
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.319
<v Speaker 1>there's so many levels to it, because there's the pre

569
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>which is leading up to the event, the weeks, the

570
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>months however fucking long he's watching and doing this for,

571
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>and then there's the moment of going into the house

572
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.799
<v Speaker 1>and actually abducting, which he is so planned for and ready. Yeah,

573
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 1>he has all his steps once again planned out thoroughly.

574
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 1>And then what seems to last not very long for

575
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:12.359
<v Speaker 1>all this build up is the actual abduction and the

576
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse. Don't get me wrong, it's the most horrific part.

577
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:21.079
<v Speaker 1>And thankfully it doesn't last that long. We've covered cases

578
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>where it's fucking years, right, Yeah, So thankfully he does

579
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:27.759
<v Speaker 1>let them go.

580
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.759
<v Speaker 2>It's surprising that he doesn't kill them.

581
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there is a massive mind game to this.

582
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.839
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, he's keeping them alive, but he is damaging.

583
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, he's for the entirety of the rest of

584
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 2>their life.

585
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, No, what he's putting them through not cool.

586
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna fuck with them. Yeah, I have no words

587
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>for it, honestly. So after that, that leads us to Carmen.

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00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.799
<v Speaker 1>On Saturday, April thirteenth, nineteen ninety one. It was a

589
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 1>nice spring day and thirteen year old Carmen Chan had

590
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>spent the day attending tennis lessons, having lunch with their mother,

591
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and spent time studying alone at the library. In the afternoon,

592
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.559
<v Speaker 1>friends of the Chans picked up Carmen and her sister Carly,

593
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>who was nine and Karen, who was seven, and took

594
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.720
<v Speaker 1>them to the family's restaurant, where they had dinner and

595
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:25.359
<v Speaker 1>were seen playing outside. At six thirty pm, on employee

596
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>of the family restaurant drove the girls home to the

597
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:33.480
<v Speaker 1>family's sprawling home where their father, John was waiting. From there,

598
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.319
<v Speaker 1>John greeted them, but he had to leave for work,

599
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and it was about an hour later that Carmen was

600
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>now in charge of babysitting her sisters. This was a

601
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 1>routine for the Chan family. After school, Carmen and her

602
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>sisters would take the bus straight for dinner at the

603
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.519
<v Speaker 1>restaurant and get dropped off at home by one of

604
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>the restaurant employees. It is possible and theorized that someone

605
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>had followed the girls home from school from the restaurant

606
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:06.759
<v Speaker 1>on one of these trips. In the weeks prior, a

607
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.800
<v Speaker 1>man had reported to be sorry reported to Doncaster Police

608
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>by neighbors for sitting in a sedan apparently watching the

609
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:19.159
<v Speaker 1>school bus opposite the chance House for several mornings. So

610
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:23.199
<v Speaker 1>someone saw this man sitting in a vehicle watching. According

611
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.440
<v Speaker 1>to another source, two weeks before, a tradesman had mysteriously

612
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.880
<v Speaker 1>appeared at the Chans door looking for work, and the

613
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.840
<v Speaker 1>days leading up to this day, the Chans had been

614
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.960
<v Speaker 1>forced to turn off their alarm system after something kept

615
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:36.840
<v Speaker 1>setting it off.

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00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh and they oh, no, okay.

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00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Now their house was essentially a fortress like that. They've

618
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 1>got money, right. They had a two meter high fence

619
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 1>an electric gate, but still being a fortress or not.

620
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:59.239
<v Speaker 1>On the night of April thirteenth, there was little security

621
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<v Speaker 1>that would protect these girls well.

622
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:05.079
<v Speaker 2>And honestly, he probably I feel picked that on purpose

623
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:06.840
<v Speaker 2>as a challenge or something.

624
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, they very well could have now well. Carmen and

625
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:15.039
<v Speaker 1>her sisters red stories and watched TV. A man in

626
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:19.719
<v Speaker 1>a green, gray tracksuit and brown belliclava broke in through

627
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.079
<v Speaker 1>a window at around eight forty pm. When Carmen and

628
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Carly headed to the kitchen for something to eat, he

629
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:30.719
<v Speaker 1>made his move and confronted them with a long silver

630
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:36.920
<v Speaker 1>carving knife quote see this knife, where's your mom and dad?

631
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:39.639
<v Speaker 1>And then he grabbed them by the hair be where

632
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:42.400
<v Speaker 1>he led them back to Carmen's bedroom and this is

633
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.159
<v Speaker 1>where he found the other sister, Karen, hiding behind the door.

634
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:49.079
<v Speaker 1>He gagged and bound the two younger sisters, and he

635
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.800
<v Speaker 1>shut them in a cupboard and he told them, you,

636
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:55.039
<v Speaker 1>two little ones, get in the cupboard, I won't hurt you.

637
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Still holding Carmen by the hair, he pushed a bed

638
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>against the cupboard door to trap them inside and told

639
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>them she would be back to get them. From here,

640
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.719
<v Speaker 1>things get a little unclear, but she was taken from

641
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>the home and again, like all the others, placed into

642
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.920
<v Speaker 1>a car. The two younger girls, Karen and Carly, managed

643
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:19.679
<v Speaker 1>to free themselves after about ten minutes and called the

644
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>restaurant to tell their father a man had taken Carmen now.

645
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough, the family car was found spray painted with

646
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the words quote payback Asian drug dealer, more and more

647
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>to come now. This led many people into believing that

648
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Carmen's father had something to do with us. The family,

649
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 1>after all, had a lot of money, and speculation began

650
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.079
<v Speaker 1>to circulate about him being involved in some sort of

651
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 1>drug ring and having some serious gambling debts. Investigators, however,

652
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.719
<v Speaker 1>could not find any evidence of this, and they believed

653
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.679
<v Speaker 1>the message was put there as a red hair. Her

654
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:07.079
<v Speaker 1>father was squeaky clean. Each one of these incidentss incidences

655
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:13.199
<v Speaker 1>incidents incidents there you go. Have had things to try

656
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:17.800
<v Speaker 1>and throw people off, from radio stations playing at each

657
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:22.159
<v Speaker 1>time a different radio station, to pretending to be on

658
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the phone with someone or acting as if another person

659
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:31.639
<v Speaker 1>was in the room as mister Krule was, holding victims blindfolded,

660
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 1>or even pretending that a car wouldn't start and saying

661
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.599
<v Speaker 1>that it was a stolen car that a friend had

662
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:41.800
<v Speaker 1>loaned him. Many of these things investigators believe were done

663
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>to confuse victims, confuse investigators, throwing them off of the trail,

664
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.599
<v Speaker 1>and they believe this vehicle, the spray painting was also Yeah,

665
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:51.639
<v Speaker 1>those things.

666
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.960
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense that I mean, the amount of time

667
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.199
<v Speaker 2>that this fucking guy is putting into this shit. Hey,

668
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.760
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, he's It's unbelievable.

669
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Everything, every ounce of his energy is going into planning

670
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:09.440
<v Speaker 1>these and executing these. Yeah everything. I think this is

671
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>literally his fucking life.

672
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:14.159
<v Speaker 2>To do these. Now you even wonder if he has

673
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:14.840
<v Speaker 2>a job or what.

674
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Hey yeah, Now, through it all, the family was distraught.

675
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:24.280
<v Speaker 1>They wanted their daughter and they wanted their sister back safe.

676
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.519
<v Speaker 1>They did press conferences, conferences and pleaded for her safe return.

677
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 1>But the days turned into weeks. Oh no, in the

678
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>weeks turned into months, until finally, on April ninth, nineteen

679
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>ninety two, a human skull was found in a landfill

680
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.440
<v Speaker 1>area at the rear of an electrical substation on the

681
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:52.280
<v Speaker 1>intersection of Mahoney's Road and High Street. Dental records confirmed

682
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:56.079
<v Speaker 1>it was Carmen Chan and she had been shot at

683
00:38:56.159 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>least three times in the back of the head. Her

684
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:04.039
<v Speaker 1>badly decomposed body had been there for a year.

685
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.960
<v Speaker 2>No no, yeah, wow.

686
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Now. A witness who lived in a house overlooking the

687
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:16.800
<v Speaker 1>landfill area where Carmen's remains were found recalled seeing a

688
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.599
<v Speaker 1>man wearing a hooded waterproof raincoat digging beside a truck

689
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:25.239
<v Speaker 1>on a gray and rainy day. When this sighting occurred,

690
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:30.480
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of unclear, but two three days after Carmen's abduction,

691
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the weather was cloudy with showers.

692
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, man, so he has really escalated here. That is

693
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:46.239
<v Speaker 2>just so brutal, so sad.

694
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, a lot of people do have their doubts

695
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.320
<v Speaker 1>that mister Krull was responsible for Carmen's death.

696
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, they think of someone else.

697
00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:02.159
<v Speaker 1>Carmen's execution style murder a hallmark of a criminal hit,

698
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 1>they say, rather than a murder by a pedophile. So

699
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:11.599
<v Speaker 1>they're saying, you know, maybe the messages on the car

700
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>were true. Maybe this execution style is showing or saying something.

701
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 2>And it has nothing to do with this other dude.

702
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:28.559
<v Speaker 1>That's what some think. Authorities disagree, and Phyllis, Carmen's mother, however,

703
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 1>firmly disagrees as well. She believes that Carmen's fate may

704
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:35.320
<v Speaker 1>have been sealed in the moment that she may have

705
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 1>ripped off her blindfold in the abduction, making her the

706
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:42.719
<v Speaker 1>only person to see mister Kruhle's face. But in that moment,

707
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.280
<v Speaker 1>he made sure she would be unable to tell anyone

708
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:45.920
<v Speaker 1>what she saw.

709
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I mean I guess he has all these

710
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.400
<v Speaker 2>really weird freaking rules.

711
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, indeed, huh. It is believed that this man could

712
00:40:56.440 --> 00:41:00.679
<v Speaker 1>be responsible mister Krule or connected to up to a

713
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:06.199
<v Speaker 1>dozen different incidents. One of the primary challenges in investigating

714
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.000
<v Speaker 1>mister Krule is the lack of forensic evidence that was

715
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:13.119
<v Speaker 1>left behind. His meticulous approach to cleaning up crime scenes,

716
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 1>leaving behind false clues left little for investigators to work with.

717
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.199
<v Speaker 1>He wore gloves, he wore a mask. He ensured that

718
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>there was no fingerprints or DNA left behind. This careful

719
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.880
<v Speaker 1>attention to deeptail frustrated investigators and made it very difficult

720
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 1>to develop any sort of leads. Now they have found

721
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:38.320
<v Speaker 1>a partial fingerprint that may be mister Crules, may not be,

722
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:41.079
<v Speaker 1>and a swab from a rape kit from one of

723
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 1>the victims. But outside of that, they have some descriptions

724
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.880
<v Speaker 1>from incidents which allowed for several composite sketches of mister

725
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Krule to be created, which were widely circulated. Now, these

726
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:58.000
<v Speaker 1>sketches portray a man in his thirties or forties with

727
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a slim build and a calm, methodical demeanor. But apart

728
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 1>from that, they have nothing.

729
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:06.280
<v Speaker 2>This fucking case isn't solved.

730
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Ben, There's no definitive identification that has ever been made,

731
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.440
<v Speaker 1>and the identity of mister Kruel is still to this

732
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.079
<v Speaker 1>day a mystery. Damn it.

733
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.559
<v Speaker 2>I was waiting to hear about this motherfucker. I know you,

734
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:24.400
<v Speaker 2>and what the hell he is doing?

735
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:31.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Okay, that is the case that really ends.

736
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:36.320
<v Speaker 2>We're done, and after Carmen is Carmen right, Yes, there's

737
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.559
<v Speaker 2>just like there was no other victims that we know of,

738
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:40.639
<v Speaker 2>that we know of.

739
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're speculated that it can be responsible of

740
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:46.960
<v Speaker 1>to a dozen. But there's the there's the four that

741
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:52.719
<v Speaker 1>I talked about are the four confirmed mister Kruel. In fact,

742
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:54.360
<v Speaker 1>actually one of them is still speculated.

743
00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:00.199
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, gosh, the guy has gotten away with as

744
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:03.639
<v Speaker 2>shit and just live in his life. He has live

745
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:07.920
<v Speaker 2>in his fucked up life he has. Wow, I'm shocked.

746
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I didn't actually expect this one to be not solved.

747
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Now. I do want to say there is a website

748
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>called who is mister Cruel dot com. It was a

749
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:21.079
<v Speaker 1>major source in this episode, and I do want to

750
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.440
<v Speaker 1>say you guys should go check it out because there

751
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:25.920
<v Speaker 1>is a lot of there's This is a massive case,

752
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.119
<v Speaker 1>like I could probably go on for like twelve episodes

753
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 1>in this case, it's insane. I do recommend you go

754
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:35.800
<v Speaker 1>check out this website, do some reading, dive into it

755
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:41.159
<v Speaker 1>because it is very interesting. It's quite wild, and they

756
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:44.880
<v Speaker 1>do go through some suspects, but I mean, there's there's

757
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.159
<v Speaker 1>nothing really that's ever really come forward as far as

758
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.480
<v Speaker 1>suspects are. It's just like maybe sort of thing, but

759
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:51.239
<v Speaker 1>that's about it.

760
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.280
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, that is so disappointing that he did such

761
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:01.119
<v Speaker 2>terrible things yeah, and it's just live in his life.

762
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's exactly what he's doing. He got away with

763
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:06.320
<v Speaker 1>it so far.

764
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing that just I feel like gets me

765
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:12.400
<v Speaker 2>so much about with true crime is when it's not

766
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:16.400
<v Speaker 2>solved and that they are not paying for their actions.

767
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:19.079
<v Speaker 2>I just can't. I can't deal with that, especially like

768
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:24.840
<v Speaker 2>these there's kids involved, Like, Oh.

769
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not okay, you don't say.

770
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:28.199
<v Speaker 2>So.

771
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Are you just gonna like stress punch me in the

772
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:34.639
<v Speaker 1>face after this or something? That's what I feel like

773
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna happen.

774
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Alarmed or on guard after this.

775
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:40.320
<v Speaker 1>If I have a black eye in next week's.

776
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, says me, who woke up with the

777
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.679
<v Speaker 2>freaking sore nose the other day? You punched me in

778
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:49.800
<v Speaker 2>the nose while I was sleeping. I think what my

779
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.320
<v Speaker 2>nose was so sore. It was the weirdest thing I've

780
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:53.159
<v Speaker 2>ever encountered.

781
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's probably the dogs kicking you in the face

782
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:56.440
<v Speaker 1>or something.

783
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Something happened while I was sleeping.

784
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:03.119
<v Speaker 1>Clearly, Yeah, anyways, that's the case. Like I said, go

785
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:05.280
<v Speaker 1>check out that website, and I'm sorry to drop a

786
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>mystery one on you. I was really tempted at the

787
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 1>beginning to tell you guys, it's an unsolved case. It's

788
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 1>a mystery. But you know what, it's been a long

789
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:15.960
<v Speaker 1>time since I left the hangar, so I was like,

790
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:18.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what, No, I'm leaving it on this one.

791
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I guess, Yeah, it has been a while, so I.

792
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Guess I've been very nice and recent.

793
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Unsolved, I've been very nice.

794
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I have my house, I've told people ahead of time.

795
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.440
<v Speaker 1>It's all at the beginning, I'm like, this is an

796
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:37.000
<v Speaker 1>unsolved case. No, this one, I'm pretty sure people were

797
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 1>going to get some angry.

798
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Messages though possibly, No, it happened.

799
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:43.079
<v Speaker 1>It's it's definitely going to happen. I know it will happen,

800
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.639
<v Speaker 1>but trust me worth it.

801
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean yeah, that would have been a very

802
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:52.239
<v Speaker 2>hard one to research and to present. So I guess

803
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 2>you had to get a little something out of this, right, yes.

804
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, anyways, if you guys want to check out our

805
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:00.280
<v Speaker 1>social links and everything else we have, it's in the

806
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:03.480
<v Speaker 1>description of this podcast. We have Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, two

807
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.519
<v Speaker 1>YouTube channels. Ones of log one you can catch a

808
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.800
<v Speaker 1>video form of this podcast. You can go ahead and

809
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.039
<v Speaker 1>check that, and you can see Nicole's OMG reactions and

810
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.199
<v Speaker 1>me pointing at the camera and opening a.

811
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Beer and all not making eye contact at you because

812
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:17.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm pissed.

813
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty much. All the good stuff is there, including Patreon.

814
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:22.480
<v Speaker 1>We have merch If you guys want to give us

815
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.519
<v Speaker 1>a rating, we appreciate that. It really helps the show.

816
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.360
<v Speaker 1>We are an independent podcast produced out of our tiny

817
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.920
<v Speaker 1>home solo. It's just us, that's it. So yeah, we

818
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 1>appreciate all the support.

819
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:33.519
<v Speaker 2>We sure do. Absolutely.

820
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, thank you for being here until next time.

821
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Until next time, Stay wicked.

822
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:42.519
<v Speaker 1>I thought I was going to say it per second.

823
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll say it too.

824
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.440
<v Speaker 1>No, it's all good. You got it, you did good.

825
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, stay Wicked.