WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:06.040 This is Brady one more time. I'll look back on 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:09.960 all things nineties and two thousands. The movies come on 3 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:14.759 the album. Yelly clarkson the awkwardness. 4 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:17.640 Or bizarre step as we watch on live television O. J. 5 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:22.280 Simpson negotiating with a police dispatcher being followed down a 6 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:26.679 closed freeway by nine sheriff's deputies and most of the 7 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:27.879 Los Angeles news media. 8 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:33.119 Here's your host, Brady Broski. You probably did it. Wow, 9 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:35.840 that was a trip down memory lane. Hey are you ready? 10 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:41.039 So let's time take care of yourself and each other? Yeah, 11 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:44.679 that's so good. Love us some Jerry Springer from the 12 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:47.399 Fod of God about that side off you did. It's 13 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:50.439 a little ironic, don't you think that we're playing it 14 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:50.960 in the beginning? 15 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:53.960 No, just the side off with the content of the show. 16 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.000 That that's his sign off, take care of yourself and 17 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:58.240 each other? Like is that what his show did? 18 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:00.960 No? Yeah, but you know what. I'm gonna move this 19 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:03.960 monitor so I can see your face. How's that? But 20 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:05.680 I need to see my notes? Can you see your ye? 21 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:06.159 I can see my. 22 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:09.239 Spind the No, no, no, you're good, okay, We're good there, Okay, 23 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:10.439 all right, I can see you now. 24 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:15.079 This is my favorite open ever. Yeah, we're gonna do 25 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:20.000 some Jerry Springer talk today. That's what it's. It's Brady Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 26 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:25.120 It's the most nostalgialistic podcast. I'm planning to earth fact. Yeah, 27 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:27.799 I am Brady. I am the host with them. Well, 28 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:29.159 I'm not really the host of the mom like the 29 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.040 host with like just like just the right amount. It's 30 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:34.400 just what you need to get by. That's what that's 31 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:37.640 not the most. That's what the podcast strives to be. Yes, well, 32 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:39.760 because the most is that's a lot. Yeah, I think 33 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:42.040 about how much the most is. I'm like the host 34 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:44.840 with Yeah, he's got some stuff for you. No one's 35 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:45.680 gonna have the most. 36 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:48.000 At at six pm on a Thursday. 37 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.799 Brady from Brady one more time, and Dan is here 38 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:53.680 the kickball King? What uh the kickball King? We got 39 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:56.680 snowed out on Tuesday. Yeah, the field was too icy. 40 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.959 It's gonna be three more weeks to go. A guy 41 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.840 who you never want to bring with you as a 42 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:07.640 wingman to Christmas barcrawl because will leave you within twenty minutes. 43 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:10.759 That did happen in two thousand and eight. It is delicate, 44 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:13.840 Dan Ginsburg, do you realize that that happened so long 45 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:17.039 ago that it falls within the time range that we now, 46 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.719 like nostalgically look back on on this podcast. Is that 47 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.280 not crazy? Can we do an episode of of Single 48 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:26.680 Brady Dan and Dan's Adventures it's a tea box episode. 49 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:29.280 Oh yeah, yeah, we sent each other some fun memories 50 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.599 on Facebook and Instagram that pop up. I just realized 51 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:34.280 that was in two thousand and eight. Would you like 52 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:36.840 to Yeah, what definitely wasn't Would you like to explain 53 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:37.879 that story of the. 54 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:43.599 Well, so tea Box is a lovely bar crawl that 55 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:46.039 starts at what time? Did we start like eight nine am? 56 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:48.240 Pretty early? Yeah? Every cereal? Yeah? 57 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:50.479 You bring cereally, you pour it in people's mouths. You 58 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:52.960 meet people, and I met I was I was single, 59 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.919 and I met a lovely woman and and I spent 60 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:00.479 some time with her while you continued to the bar 61 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:02.919 crawl with some random strangers for the rest of the day. 62 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:05.360 What time, if people are asking themselves listening right now, 63 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:09.879 what time did Dan leave said bar crawl to just 64 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:12.400 go enjoy some quality time with this new friend. I 65 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:16.400 would say it was somewhere like eight o'clock. At night earlier, 66 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:18.919 a little earlier. Okay, so what are we talking here, 67 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:23.039 I would say, maybe like twelve thirty pa, I'm like 68 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:26.000 the new now. Yeah, yeah, I was there. I was like, 69 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:29.080 we're okay, well it's just me now. But anyways, she 70 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:32.520 made some freshly baked muffins that she was providing a 71 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:35.319 people day. Yeah. No, she made them when you guys 72 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:35.800 hung out. 73 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.840 Yeah no, no, no, she had made them that morning. 74 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:42.080 For her friend. Brought them to the Barkrawl. Not exactly. 75 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:42.840 They were somewhere. 76 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.479 I went home with one and my dear friend Brad, 77 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.360 who was in town visiting. He was living in New 78 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:51.000 York at the time, and he was staying with me. 79 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:53.560 He and I split that muffin when I got home. 80 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:55.919 Ah. Yeah, Brad's a great guy to share with. 81 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:59.120 Yeah, he also met someone that day, Sorry, Brad, Yeah, 82 00:03:59.199 --> 00:03:59.919 that's whatever. 83 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:02.879 You know what. Brad's a part of this as well 84 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:07.400 at this point, So a secondary character. Here we go, 85 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:09.759 we're talking about Jerry Springer today. We have a game. 86 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:11.439 We're in a fun game here in just a second 87 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:15.560 where Dan's gonna give me the name of a Jerry 88 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.240 Springer episode and I have to guess if it's a 89 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.000 real episode or fake one. That's what we're doing. 90 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:24.240 Excited, Okay, and if you get better than fifty to fifty, 91 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:25.199 it's surprised. 92 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:26.800 If you know what we should do. 93 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:28.639 We should also flip a coin and see if you 94 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:29.879 can beat the coin flip. 95 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:31.959 You want to do that too? Can it be a 96 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.839 penny rip pennies? I saw that rip pennies. Had so 97 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.600 much fun with pennies, like bought candy with them back 98 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:39.639 in the day. 99 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:42.480 We should really be doing this whole podcast about pennies. 100 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:44.519 We'll do it. We'll do one topical. We'll do one 101 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.079 on change, what we used to buy with change, where 102 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:51.120 we used to find change machine. Uh, clearly we are 103 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:54.199 already off the rails. Jerry Springer, Yeah, right, that's what 104 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:56.680 we're talking about. I thought I bring it up. I 105 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:59.480 mean Jerry Springer the TV show. First of all, Jerry 106 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.519 a law degree graduate here in Chicago. Yeah, Northwestern. I 107 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.839 didn't know that until I was doing he was a Chicagoan. 108 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:10.600 He s he was in politics for a long time 109 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.160 mayor of Cincinnati at one point. Yeah, it's actually so 110 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:14.680 my you know. 111 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.160 I got my start on Z one O four in 112 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:18.279 Madison and then the second station I worked for. It 113 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:20.959 doesn't exist anymore, But Madison had a progressive talk station 114 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:23.959 that was part of one of the stations our company owned. 115 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.240 In the first station, I was on air on after 116 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:28.439 Z one o four. It was called The Mike ninety 117 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:32.000 two point one and it was Air America, which was 118 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:36.199 like this syndicated network of basically like liberal talk shows. 119 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:38.759 And Jerry Springer had a show and I used to 120 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:40.959 cut in and do the you know, the syndicated national show. 121 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.439 I used to cut in and do the local news, 122 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.040 you know, the local Madison news on the syndicated show. 123 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.399 But it was like a serious political talk show. 124 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:51.199 That's while I didn't know that. And this is while 125 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:52.279 his TV show is running. 126 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.959 Yeah, this, and it would have been probably toward the end, 127 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:58.079 it may be after the show or toward the end. 128 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.399 This would have been like two thousand and six. Now, no, 129 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:01.920 because it ended in two thousand and nine. 130 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:04.439 Okay, so yeah, show was still on then. Sorry, No, 131 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:06.639 it ended in twenty eighteen. In two thousand and nine, 132 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.319 it moved from Chicago to Connecticut, so the show was 133 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:12.079 definitely going on when he had the radio. 134 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:15.560 Yeah, it's interesting, pretty wild set of two different things 135 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:16.079 to be doing. 136 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:18.759 Serious, and I'm not really serious over here with the 137 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:22.439 TV show. Yeah, and the TV show, you know, the 138 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:26.079 long one of the longest running daytime talk shows, really 139 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:27.199 started in ninety one. 140 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:30.439 Yeah, and it was political and social issue for the start, 141 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:32.800 that was that was his wheelhouse. 142 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:35.120 Yeah, but Rail it didn't work, and somebody came in, 143 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.720 you know what we're gonna do. We're gonna do I 144 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:40.759 don't want to use the word it's derogatory, but we're 145 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.160 going to use small people. This is what we're gonna do, 146 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:45.079 is we're going to do a lot of things that 147 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:49.720 are just going to make people go, what the fuck. Yeah, So, yeah, 148 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:50.680 it was the way. 149 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:53.360 You know, Phil Donahue kind of went that direction first 150 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:54.360 he did. 151 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:57.680 Yeah, I thought Phil was always seen. Now Phil Phil 152 00:06:57.920 --> 00:06:59.759 got a little bit more edgy. 153 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:03.279 Yeah, and then Jerry Springer sort of took a page 154 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:07.000 out of the playbook and went just completely extra with it. 155 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:08.480 I'm going to tell you how I felt about the 156 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:10.920 show because growing up that was we watched that show 157 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:14.279 as kids. But at the time it was it was. 158 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.560 It was really met with a huge negative response. The 159 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:21.480 Chicago Tribune said it was the second worst show of 160 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:23.839 nineteen ninety six. Which I feel like that was. It's 161 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:26.439 a good question. We'll have to find out. But it 162 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:28.759 was the second worst show. It could have been worse, 163 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.240 which is why I think ninety six is probably its peak. 164 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:35.199 Like that's when it was really getting like the craziest. 165 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:38.480 It was a topped TV Guide magazine's list of the 166 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:43.800 worst TV Shows Ever. And then this guy, Bernard Goldberg, 167 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:47.639 he has a book out titled one hundred People who 168 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:51.439 Are Screwing Up America and Jerry Springer was in that 169 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:57.800 book quoted as being TV's lowest life form. That's that's 170 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:00.639 a little that's a little much. Yeah, wrong words, But 171 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:02.759 I also get where the sentiments come. I mean it 172 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.639 was I don't know that it was contributing. 173 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:10.000 To society in a positive way, right, Well, okay, I 174 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:12.160 mean it was normalizing a lot of shit. It was 175 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:16.319 normalizing violence, which granted a lot of things were doing that. 176 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:22.800 It wasn't just him, just like dysfunctional families people. It 177 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:25.720 was making you know, the crowd was I think what 178 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:27.920 made me what I disliked the most? 179 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:29.720 Well, hold on, before you go any further, I'm just 180 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:31.600 going to ask you straight up the first question, did 181 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:33.360 you enjoy the show? Did you watch it, Did you 182 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:33.639 like it? 183 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:34.399 Uh? 184 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:38.399 I watched it like I watched a train wreck. I 185 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.519 would say, I don't know if I was entertained by it. 186 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:42.960 I don't know if I would go so far as 187 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:44.360 to say I liked it. I think I kind of 188 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:46.240 felt icky when I watched it, but I was but 189 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:48.519 it was one of those things you just couldn't turn off. 190 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.519 Okay. I think when it evolved into like all of 191 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:55.840 the fighting and Steve Wilko's breaking up fights and all 192 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:58.600 of that. Steve Wilco Chicago guy, Yeah, there you go, 193 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.480 has his own show. Yeah, right right, he turned that 194 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:06.600 role somehow into his own career. I don't know, I 195 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:08.320 think I as I it was. 196 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:10.200 I don't know if it was me getting older and 197 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:13.759 being more aware of the world and thinking about societal 198 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:15.600 impacts and stuff that I didn't care about when I 199 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.080 was a kid, or just their direction the show took. 200 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:19.840 But there was a time when I was entertained by it, 201 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:20.960 and I think a time when I. 202 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.639 Was just like, this is too much, because just judging 203 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:25.320 by just judging by the tone of your voice, it 204 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:30.759 sounds like you like now as you've matured and you 205 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:34.240 understand some of the topics that they were, you know, 206 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:38.759 providing on television were wrong. Yeah, ethically for you right 207 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:40.919 right now, you're looking back at it as like, I 208 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.440 don't I don't know if I liked it, because I 209 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.000 have a similar I have a similar thought process of 210 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.080 if I enjoyed the show to that of south Park. Yeah, 211 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:53.159 because south Park was so outrageous and they did things, 212 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.240 but it was a cartoon so they could get away 213 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:59.279 with more. This was being ridiculous just to be ridiculous, right, 214 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.320 I mean to me, there's a big difference. Though I 215 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:03.320 get the comparison, but there's a big difference to me 216 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.559 because yes, south Park was extremely like obscene and offensive 217 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:10.159 and all that, probably even more so they murdered one 218 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:14.120 of the kids, every right, and I mean in every way. 219 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:18.080 But like south Park also had like a political statement 220 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:23.080 met like was commenting on society and making actual, like 221 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:30.799 real like valid points about issues with society, whereas Springer 222 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:34.480 was more just sort of mocking society and some. 223 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:41.600 TV the word trash. I dispute that. For me, it 224 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.759 wasn't anything representative of where I grew up or how 225 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:48.519 I grew up, but more so what I was exposed 226 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:51.919 to with entertainment. You know, I grew up a huge, 227 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:57.080 huge wrestling w w F WWE fan, and I understood 228 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:01.559 what real life is in it is scripted and what's 229 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:04.519 fake for the purpose of entertainment. And at that same time, 230 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:08.360 when the WWE was blowing up to the highest ratings 231 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:10.080 they ever had, they were doing some of the most 232 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:16.240 outrageous things possible and in my mind, in everybody's fans mind, like, 233 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.200 this is just entertaining. Like it's obviously they're obviously not 234 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:22.279 blowing up a limo. And Vince McMahon's in it, right, 235 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:25.519 Like same thing with Jerry Springer. This guy obviously doesn't 236 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:29.200 do you know this this uh whatever, wearing the dog 237 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:33.919 the dog collar, walking around feeding him dog like I understood, 238 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:34.639 I understood it. 239 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:38.360 And that's a really interesting comparison. I think that's dead on. 240 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:39.320 I love that. 241 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.519 Yeah, because right there was a lot of the content, 242 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:44.159 I mean, there was all kinds of controversy surrounding Springer, 243 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.240 but a lot of it was this is all fake 244 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.039 and if you were really watching the show, there wasn't 245 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:50.840 a question about that. 246 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:55.039 Yeah, of course. My so my point is, uh, if 247 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:57.759 you're taking it at phase value, it's just this stupid 248 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.120 hour show that you're gonna be you're gonna laugh, or 249 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:02.200 you're going to be like whatever. But if you took 250 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:07.279 it serious, that saying a little bit more about you. Fair. Fair. 251 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.639 But they also like marketed it like it was serious. 252 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:15.159 But so this is a weird analogy and sorry to 253 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.039 get a little bit political, but I would compare it 254 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:21.039 like Fox News, you know how they say like they 255 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:24.159 are the truth if they just marketed themselves. I think 256 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.440 when people have an issue with Fox News, it's because 257 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.559 they're presenting it like this is the truth and the 258 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:32.000 others are line, whereas if it was marketed as where 259 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:34.279 like a conservative slant on what's going on in the 260 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:36.399 world today, I feel like people wouldn't have as much 261 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:39.600 of an issue with it. Similar with Springer, They're they're 262 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:43.159 presenting each episode like these are all real people doing 263 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:47.039 real things. I think if if it were more self aware, 264 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:50.960 I feel like WWE is more self aware of these 265 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:53.759 are athletes, but these are these are all scripts and entertainment. 266 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:56.279 See. I think I just think maybe I'm in the 267 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:58.480 minority here. I just always sat down and if I 268 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:00.840 ever watched it, which I didn't watch on the regular, 269 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:02.759 if it was on, I would like, watch it's funny. 270 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:04.679 I thought it was entertaining because it's so stupid and 271 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:06.679 so out there. How far can they go? There's a 272 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:08.639 small window where I like, really enjoyed it. But I 273 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.360 think that was my maturity level. But if if I 274 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:13.440 ever sat down and did see an episode, I'm like, 275 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:15.600 within this within a second, I'm like, that person's not 276 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:17.840 really that person. I just think I I just think 277 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:20.200 I had like, like I said, maybe growing up watching 278 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.080 wrestling made me think that everything I see on TV. 279 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.840 And by the way, there's a lot of stuff on 280 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:29.879 TV we see now that think your your news example, 281 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:34.799 I don't. I don't believe much is real, real quotes, 282 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.879 the real world wasn't real, right, So that's my that 283 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:40.000 that that's what that's that's how I looked at it. 284 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:40.960 I think that's fair. 285 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.519 I would just say I if I had to bet, 286 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:45.879 I bet a way higher percentage of w w E 287 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:50.039 viewers know, you know, what is and isn't real when 288 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:55.039 they're watching that versus Springer viewers back, especially. 289 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.360 Early on, especially early, especially early on, but then but 290 00:13:57.440 --> 00:13:59.960 then I feel as the show progressed, it got even 291 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:02.679 more and more ridiculous. Yeah, because I think they had 292 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:05.399 to kind of own up, like, Okay, we're not really 293 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:08.720 this isn't really, this isn't real violence. This is stage violence. 294 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:11.480 But there was real violence after the show. There were 295 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:12.919 a lot of you know that. 296 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:14.919 A lot of the other criticism it got was there 297 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:17.440 were there were some deaths and some fights and some 298 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:19.399 messed up stuff that happened to some of the people 299 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:21.360 who came on the show after they were on the show. 300 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:25.799 That's crazy. What would that content it ended in twenty 301 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:28.559 I think I said twenty eighteen, would that content be 302 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:31.120 acceptable in twenty twenty five? 303 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:36.360 A lot of it wouldn't. I would say most of 304 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:38.600 it wouldn't. Yeah, but some you know, the are you 305 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:43.840 the father type stuff that's still that's still gets survived. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 306 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:45.320 which is hilarious, hilarious. 307 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:49.080 I mean the has become more about the reaction than 308 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:51.879 people actually trying to figure out we care about this 309 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:55.519 this this this child and who it's it's father is 310 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.159 going to be. It's more about like how can we 311 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.120 make this funny or yeah or yeah? 312 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:04.320 I mean, I think the stuff targeting people's physical character, 313 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:07.440 you know, targeting over you know, making fun of overweight people, 314 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:12.519 making fun of little people, making fun of disabled people. 315 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:16.480 I mean, that type of stuff would be immediately. 316 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.360 Right not it makes it just makes me wonder, because yes, 317 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.200 you have to evolve. I mean, we went to a 318 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.759 comedy show last weekend. Comedians have had to evolve, right, 319 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:26.559 so I would think they would have to do they 320 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.919 would have to be a lot more careful. And I 321 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:31.240 don't think that show was built on the foundation of 322 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:32.440 being careful careful. 323 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:34.720 It's kind of the opposite is how much, how far 324 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:36.440 can we push the line? I mean that's where your 325 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.759 South Park analogy really does fit. 326 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:41.519 I think I met Jerry, Yeah, I did so when 327 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:45.480 he moved when they moved the studios from Chicago to Connecticut. 328 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.279 He was doing like a Connecticut kind of radio tour 329 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:50.639 and I was in Hartford at the time, and it 330 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:55.200 was really excited obviously just because legend. And sure, I 331 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:57.720 will tell you he was a very during the interview, 332 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:03.799 very kind, but also like really really soft spoken, like 333 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:06.039 like there was you know when somebody walks into the 334 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.679 room and they you know, they immediately grab your attention, 335 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:10.879 all eyes are on this person. He was the opposite 336 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:13.399 of that. He was just kind of like, I don't know, 337 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:16.440 he just it didn't feel like, not in a bad way. 338 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:20.600 He just didn't have the spotlight. I don't I don't 339 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:22.799 think he. I don't think he ever really wanted it. 340 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:26.480 From what from the brief interactions that I had with him, 341 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:28.600 I just feel like he, deep down he was a 342 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:32.840 kind person who really did care about people. Hence Jerry's 343 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:36.440 Final Thought, and he just got thrown into this talk 344 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:39.679 show that turned into this insane just blew up, you know, 345 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.480 snowballed into this wild thing, and he went along with it. 346 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.919 But I also think when he did do his final Thought, 347 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:49.200 that was a way for him personally and kind of 348 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:51.480 be like a human you know what I mean? 349 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.159 Well here, I mean right, it's almost an interesting like 350 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:56.039 societal like how far would you go? 351 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:56.639 Type of thing? 352 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:58.720 Right, because I agree with you, and you know, when 353 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:03.679 I was doing news for his uh syndicated show, I 354 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.119 mean he if you listened to his show and we're 355 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:09.359 told this is the same guy who's doing the Jerry 356 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:11.680 Springer show, you'd be like, how is that possible? Because 357 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.119 he sounded similar to what you're describing. He was very 358 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.160 you know, he would take callers and talk cartfeld about 359 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:18.640 issues that mattered to him. 360 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.960 It's interesting. I mean, you know, what, what would you do? 361 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.279 You know, let's say they took your Kiss FM afternoon 362 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:29.640 show and kept pushing and pushing to get it edge 363 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.039 or and edgeer to try to get every little sliver 364 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:34.200 of extra ratings they could out of it. You know, 365 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.160 at what point is there a point where you become 366 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:39.599 uncomfortable with it and you say, I'm not going to 367 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:40.400 do this anymore? 368 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:42.920 Or do you go along with it? 369 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:46.240 Because you know, every time you bring in more of 370 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:47.599 an audience, you bring in more money. 371 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:49.799 Oh yeah, more money. More money is the answer. More money. 372 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.440 And yeah, I think most I think most people would say, yeah, 373 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:55.400 would say, if you were in Jerry Springer's shoes and 374 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:58.880 you knew you could make millions more by making this 375 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:03.079 show trashier, you know, it's hard to blame him. 376 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:05.519 It's a matter of ethics. Yeah, yeah, right. But I 377 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:08.400 think in the nineties too, because look, the TV show 378 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:11.440 was sex, drugs, and rock and roll, and that's what 379 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:13.720 that and that's what that era was. It was. It 380 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.920 was say whatever you can say to make people go, 381 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:19.160 oh my god, I can't believe he just said that. 382 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:21.599 That's what that era was. Like some of the comedians 383 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.720 back in the day would just be trying to try 384 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:27.039 to top Howard Stern. Yep, yep, right, Howard Stern. He 385 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:31.480 built He built a huge foundation in a career in uh, 386 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:34.720 you know, an empire based on how far can I go? 387 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:38.119 And ended up off terrestial radio for that reason. But 388 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:40.920 he also got paid abilities. But yeah, I think I 389 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:42.640 think it's I think it was a sign of the times. 390 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.079 I think it was sex, drugs, and rock and roll. 391 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:49.440 It was everything that everybody thought was funny. So twenty 392 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:52.200 twenty five, it probably wouldn't have the same reaction, or 393 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:55.200 if it did, it would be half of the audience, 394 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:59.440 half of America, really right, there would be protests outside 395 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:04.000 certain Yeah, yeah, it's pretty interesting. And then last, before 396 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:06.519 we get to the game, it wouldn't be a podcast 397 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:09.279 episode if I didn't bring up a Mount Rushmore. Okay, 398 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.680 so Mount Rushmore Springer episode. No, no, no, okay, I 399 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:16.240 don't know that. I would say the Mount Rushmore of 400 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:20.319 daytime talk show hosts is he? Is he on your 401 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:24.160