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<v Speaker 1>It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of The

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful, fantastic Tuesday. And like

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<v Speaker 1>we do from time to time, not all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>not often, we're driving the show off the rails tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>No more politics, at least for this hour. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to try to get it all done tonight. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how long it will take me, but we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to do the history of the comic Colze in

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two, per your request. It was overwhelming how

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<v Speaker 1>many people wanted to talk about this and learn about this.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you missed last night's third hour, that is

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<v Speaker 1>a good primer to get where we are now.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need it, but it would help. And it's free.

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<v Speaker 1>iHeart Spotify iTunes, go download that, listen to it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to cover all the background again of the

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<v Speaker 1>Mongol invasion and the culture and the different things, so

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<v Speaker 1>tonight we are going to begin essentially where we left

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<v Speaker 1>off last night. Allow me to recap in about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seconds to a minute. Though Japanese attack Pearl Harbor, they

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<v Speaker 1>are not under the impression, contrary to popular belief, that

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to knock us out of the war.

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<v Speaker 1>They knew that we were going to get in the war.

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<v Speaker 1>They knew that was going to get us into the war.

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<v Speaker 1>The intention was to slow us down enough so they

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<v Speaker 1>could dig in and take all the territory they wanted, Philippines,

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<v Speaker 1>places like that, and then they would make it too

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<v Speaker 1>bloody for us to take it back. We would do

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<v Speaker 1>what countries had really always done, sue for peace. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if they lose, they win because at the end they

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<v Speaker 1>have more territory than they originally did. It works out

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<v Speaker 1>great for them. Now here's what some people may not know.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people have heard of the Battle of Midway, But

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<v Speaker 1>the Japanese were It's hard not to admire this about them.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at World War Two. There's all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things to hate about the Japanese and all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things to love and admire. They were majorly aggressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Pearl Harbor was awful, right, it was terrible. I hate it,

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<v Speaker 1>you hate it. That's quite an aggressive move. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>bold move. Load up your fleet, sneak it across the Pacific,

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<v Speaker 1>which they did. They took off in the fog, sneak

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<v Speaker 1>it across the Pacific and attack. So I had mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>that early in World War Two, it was going poorly

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<v Speaker 1>for us, really for all the Allies. Nineteen forty one

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty two, these were bad years, and Japan was

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<v Speaker 1>running into something. They were beating us, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>getting us to withdraw on many occasions, certainly in naval battles,

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<v Speaker 1>we would square off with the Japanese navy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our navy squaring off against their navy. We lost a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those engagements. We lost a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 1>We were losing men. They were really good. Are planes

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky. Mitsubishi Everyone knows who Mitsubishi is, the

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<v Speaker 1>car manufacturer of Mitsubishi well as Japanese, and they created

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<v Speaker 1>a World War two fighter plane for the Japanese known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Zero. You would known as a zero if

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<v Speaker 1>you know anything about it. It's a Mitsubishi Zero. It

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<v Speaker 1>was really good. These guys were good. We were running

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<v Speaker 1>into good good ships, good navy, good air.

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<v Speaker 3>These people are good at what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Japanese thought, well, I mean, we're winning a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these engagements. Why don't we keep going? But

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<v Speaker 1>here was always the problem lurking underneath the surface for

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<v Speaker 1>the Japanese. They did not have the industry They did

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<v Speaker 1>not have the economy that could rebuild the things they

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<v Speaker 1>would lose. Even good things will get broken in combat.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have the economy they could rebuild it, and

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have the economy that could improve it. When

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<v Speaker 1>I say improve it, you've heard of a Panzer tank.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that's a German tank, one of the German

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<v Speaker 1>tanks that tigers and panzers and all kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 1>There were several different versions of a panzer. A panzer

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<v Speaker 1>didn't exist. There was version one, and version two, and

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<v Speaker 1>version three and version They were always improving it. As

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<v Speaker 1>combat goes along, your enemy learns what you can do,

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<v Speaker 1>learns what you can't do, learns your weaknesses, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they're improving their counter weapons. So you have to improve

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<v Speaker 1>your weapons. Japan couldn't do that. Their first punch was brutal,

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<v Speaker 1>of course brutal. They didn't really have a second one.

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<v Speaker 1>I say that because Midway Comes. Midway is a tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>victory for America. We cannot really fully understand what a

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<v Speaker 1>catastrope loss it was for Japan. You already know the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Midway. Midway Island. It's an island about midway

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<v Speaker 1>between Japan and US. It's out in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean, so it got its name. We had broken

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<v Speaker 1>their codes. We were reading their transmissions. We found out

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to attack Midway and they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep going. Remember the Japanese were coming for Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that, not just Pearl Harbor, they were

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to take it. Midway was part of the

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<v Speaker 1>step to do that. We found out they had this

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<v Speaker 1>big fleet coming to Midway. We brought our big fleet

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<v Speaker 1>out to Midway, and essentially, on a large scale, we

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<v Speaker 1>ambushed them, and we slapped them around good, and we

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<v Speaker 1>sunk their carriers, and we took not only their planes

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<v Speaker 1>out of the sky. This is going to matter for

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<v Speaker 1>our kamikaze purposes, not just their planes, their pilots. The

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese had excellent pilots and excellent planes. We had more.

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<v Speaker 1>Ours were getting better by this point in time, and

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<v Speaker 1>we won that engagement. Don't get me wrong, we lost

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of great men. The Japanese knew what they

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<v Speaker 1>were doing. But at the end of Midway, yes, we

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<v Speaker 1>had some damage, plenty of damage. They had plenty of damage.

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<v Speaker 1>But we are in were America. We'll go back and

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<v Speaker 1>make more planes.

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<v Speaker 2>We have an.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing training system. Because of our financial situation in the country,

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<v Speaker 1>our train you know, finances helped training too. Our pilots

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<v Speaker 1>would get six hundred hours of training time before they

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<v Speaker 1>went to combat. By the end of the Japanese involvement

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<v Speaker 1>in World War Two, their pilots were going out with

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred hours. All right, we just had better training,

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<v Speaker 1>We had better more planes, more ships. We quickly replaced

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<v Speaker 1>everything they couldn't After midway, they have to surrender all

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<v Speaker 1>their plans. No more trying to take Hawaii, no more nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Here is the situation for pan And we look

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<v Speaker 1>at this understandably as Americans as we begin our long, brave,

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<v Speaker 1>hard slog across the Pacific Island, hopping on our way

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<v Speaker 1>to Japan to finally defeat the evil Japanese who sucker

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<v Speaker 1>punched us. And that is the correct way for an

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<v Speaker 1>American to look at that. You and me, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying you're wrong or I'm wrong. How I

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<v Speaker 1>look at it too. Flip this, because you have to

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<v Speaker 1>flip this to understand the concept of kamikaze and how

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<v Speaker 1>it came to be for the Japanese. As we discussed

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<v Speaker 1>last night. These islands are sacred to them. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>just land. It's not just an island. The Emperor is sacred.

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<v Speaker 1>The islands themselves are sacred. And now after Midway, you

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<v Speaker 1>have this huge American navy that's getting bigger by the day. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>by the end of World War Two, America's navy was

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<v Speaker 1>over built.

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<v Speaker 2>We had too many. We just we covered the oceans.

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<v Speaker 2>You have this.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge American Navy with the Marines obviously in the army

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Think about it like Godzilla, because that's how

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<v Speaker 1>the Japanese thought about it. That concept came from us

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<v Speaker 1>slowly swimming across the Pacific, this gigantic monster of destruction

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<v Speaker 1>swimming its way across the Pacific towards your sacred island

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<v Speaker 1>and your sacred Emperor, and they're coming to wipe all

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<v Speaker 1>the map. You have to understand that's how Japan saw

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<v Speaker 1>this before we understand how they conducted themselves. Next, with

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<v Speaker 1>the next few things that are coming, the next big one.

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<v Speaker 1>There there are many land backs. I'm skipping over huge

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<v Speaker 1>parts of this because it's more Comma cause he focused.

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<v Speaker 1>But the next big one is the Battle of the

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<v Speaker 1>Philippine Sea. But before we get to the Battle of

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<v Speaker 1>the Philippine Sea, since we're talking about suicides and kamakazis

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<v Speaker 1>and suicide planes and suicide subs and suicide boats and

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<v Speaker 1>suicide torpedoes and all these other things, we keep countering

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<v Speaker 1>things with the Japanese during this that we can't wrap

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<v Speaker 1>our minds around. In fact, there's video of this. You

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<v Speaker 1>can actually go look it up on YouTube and look.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ugly and it's dark, but it is safe for kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna I'll warn you if something's not safe

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<v Speaker 1>for kids. There's video in color. You can go look

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<v Speaker 1>at a Japanese pilot who had been shot down. He's alive,

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<v Speaker 1>he's intact, he's fine. A US Navy ship pulls up

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<v Speaker 1>beside him to pull him out of the water. He

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<v Speaker 1>pulls out a grenade and holds it to himself and

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<v Speaker 1>blows himself up right beside the ship. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Kelly Show on a Fantastic Tuesday. Remember you can

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<v Speaker 1>email the show Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Not

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<v Speaker 1>really a political show. Right now, we're talking history. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking the history of the Japanese comic coze in World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two.

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<v Speaker 3>And not the least bit sorry about it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get back to politics maybe next hour, maybe tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. All right, So we just had Midway

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese loss. But it was a more catastrophic loss than

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<v Speaker 1>we understand. Because if the Japanese send fifty planes after

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<v Speaker 1>five planes, that sounds even, right. It was an even battle,

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<v Speaker 1>not even close to an even battle, because we can

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<v Speaker 1>replace twenty five planes like it was nothing. Jewish producer

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<v Speaker 1>Chris looked up the specific number. Here's a number for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of one plant, one American plant, the United States

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<v Speaker 1>of America could put out twenty to twenty five Hellcats

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<v Speaker 1>in one day. The Japanese couldn't come close to matching

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. If we're losing the same number of

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<v Speaker 1>things we're winning, they can't replace them. Midway happens, and

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<v Speaker 1>now the Japanese know the gigantic monster Godzilla. He is

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<v Speaker 1>crossing the Pacific, he's working his way across the islands,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's coming for their homeland. Now along the way,

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<v Speaker 1>as we're talking about suicide and throwing your life away,

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<v Speaker 1>for Japan, for the Emperor. Americans encounter a shocking amount

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<v Speaker 1>of this during their fighting. This is not something the

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<v Speaker 1>Allies in Europe encountered in mass In any way. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there was lots of bravery over there on both sides

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<v Speaker 1>and self sacrifice on both sides. This is nothing like

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<v Speaker 1>they encountered in Europe. This is a This is completely

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<v Speaker 1>unique to the Pacific. The Japanese would be wounded or

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<v Speaker 1>not wounded and pretending to be wounded, and they would

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<v Speaker 1>just lay there until you would come up to them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd pull a grenade. I watched eb Sledge didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Eugene Sledge didn't write about this in his book, which

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<v Speaker 1>is Wonderful with the Old Breed, but he didn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't read it in his book, but I watched an

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<v Speaker 1>pin pulled in each armpit, and they would have their

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of pressed to their side, and as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as they got close, woo, pop the elbows out, grenades

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<v Speaker 1>come down, kill themselves. These the Japanese would strap explosives

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<v Speaker 2>Troops as.

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<v Speaker 1>Possum patrols. You know what a possum patrol is. You

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<v Speaker 1>will kill you. He'll kill himself to kill you. So

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<v Speaker 1>they's just stopped even trying. Boom you put one in

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<v Speaker 1>his head right away. Japanese troops, in every form, killing

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<v Speaker 1>themselves to kill you was part of their culture. It

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<v Speaker 1>was ingrained in their military culture. The Kamikazi. As we

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<v Speaker 1>work our way towards them, it's treated as some radical

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<v Speaker 1>it radical. I may consider it radical. It was radical.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not a huge departure from how the Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>They just lost midway. Godzilla is swimming towards the islands,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are getting more and more desperate the closer

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<v Speaker 2>A way you can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>And then comes the Battle of the Philippines Sea.

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<v Speaker 2>It all adds up.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get me wrong. All this stuff adds up. But

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<v Speaker 1>if I had to point to one battle, one significant

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<v Speaker 1>thing that led directly to the creation of the Kama Kaze,

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<v Speaker 1>the special attack units, we'll get to that, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Kama Kaze, it would be the Battle of the Philippine Sea.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't break down all the details. Will do that

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<v Speaker 1>another time. We've talked about it kind of before. But

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<v Speaker 1>our Navy, our forces are marching across the Pacific, sailing

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<v Speaker 1>across the Pacific. Obviously they're not Jesus, They're not walking

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<v Speaker 1>on water, sorry, Chris. They're marching across the Pacific, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Japanese by now, as we discussed, they can't really

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<v Speaker 1>replace their ships. They can't replace their good pilots. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the money, the resources for a good pilot

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<v Speaker 1>training program, and so they're really down to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the last of their good planes. And they've lost already

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<v Speaker 1>most of their good pilots, but not all of their

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<v Speaker 2>And they look at.

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<v Speaker 1>This fleet and they decide, we have to throw all

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<v Speaker 1>of our ships, all of our planes at the American

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<v Speaker 1>Now we have to fight the Battle of the Philippines

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<v Speaker 1>Sea as if it is everything. And so they loaded

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<v Speaker 1>up everything they had and they sent it at the Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful, wonderful Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember you can email us Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to our story about the Kamakazie Godzilla is getting

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the islands of Japan soon, the Japanese decide

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<v Speaker 1>they need to throw everything at us in the Philippine Sea. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Philippines we will get to in a few minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's really where this whole thing kind of kicks off,

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<v Speaker 1>the kamakazi stuff kicks off. But the Philippines are now

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<v Speaker 1>and were then a wild, wild place. I heard or

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<v Speaker 1>read a stat on the Philippines that they have something

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<v Speaker 1>like seven thousand islands. Isn't Isn't that completely bonkers? You

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<v Speaker 1>don't think about the Philippines in that way whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>know about at least I did, And obviously I knew

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<v Speaker 1>it's an island chain thousands. That seems crazy. But not

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<v Speaker 1>only was it crazy, it's crazy rich in resources. The

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<v Speaker 1>Philippines they have all the resources Japan wanted. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not an accident. You know, the Baton Death March, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the Philippines. Okay, that was the Philippines. Why would

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<v Speaker 1>the Japanese pounce on us in the Philippines right after

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<v Speaker 1>Pearl Harbor? Why were they so hot to take this place?

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<v Speaker 1>It was maybe the place they prized the most as

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<v Speaker 1>far as resources go. They wanted to take it, They

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to hold it, and frankly, as the war fought on,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to hold it. Besides the Japanese home islands themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>they valued the Philippines probably more than anything else because

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<v Speaker 1>they had to have those rears horses. They had to

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<v Speaker 1>have them, which brings us to the Philippine Sea. They

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<v Speaker 1>drag up whatever navy they have left, they drag up

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<v Speaker 1>the planes they have left, they drag up the pilots

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<v Speaker 1>they have left, and they throw them at us in

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<v Speaker 1>the Battle of the Philippine Sea. The Battle of the

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<v Speaker 1>Philippine Sea, maybe you haven't heard of before, because you

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<v Speaker 1>know what the Americans called it, the Great Marianna's Turkey Shoot.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they called it. Why would they call it that?

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<v Speaker 1>We just completely annihilated them the Japan of early nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty two. They could take out our ships. They're pilots

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<v Speaker 1>who could take out our pilots. That Japan was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>The ships were rotted, the shoot, the gasoline was bad,

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<v Speaker 1>the pilots were bad. The planes. Remember that great Mitsubishi zero,

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<v Speaker 1>which was great in the beginning, Well they still had

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<v Speaker 1>some Mitsubishi zeros. But you know what I mean, Erica

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<v Speaker 1>was doing with all of its money, with all of

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<v Speaker 1>its resources, advancing getting better planes.

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<v Speaker 2>Better.

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<v Speaker 1>This better that we're churning out course airs now in hellcats.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry about specifically what those are. Just know they're better, bigger, stronger, faster.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mitsubishi Zero as the same as it ever was.

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't improve it didn't have the materials, didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the money, didn't have anything. They rolled out all their

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<v Speaker 1>best stuff that they had in the Philippine Sea and

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<v Speaker 1>got completely wiped out, swept off the ocean, in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>in the sea. Now, that is not a huge battle

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<v Speaker 1>for US historically. I mean, people know about it, who

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<v Speaker 1>know about World War Two. But I'm going to describe

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<v Speaker 1>that battle. This is the best way I'll describe that battle.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to picture this as an American. You

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<v Speaker 1>an American. Let's say we have in our military is

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<v Speaker 1>much bigger than this. Let's say we have five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand troops, Army, Marines, all those things. Five hundred thousand troops.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say the Chinese they land a couple million troops

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<v Speaker 1>on the shore of California and they start making their

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<v Speaker 1>way towards Washington, d C. To wipe out our government

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<v Speaker 1>and take over our country. We take all five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand troops and we send them out to California. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna stop the Chinese here. In fact, this is all

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<v Speaker 1>we have. We have to stop the Chinese here. If

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<v Speaker 1>they take out all these troops, what stands between them

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington, D C. We have to stop them here,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you wake up tomorrow morning. You roll over,

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<v Speaker 1>wipe the sleep out of your eyes. You pick up

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<v Speaker 1>your phone and the headline, the first headline you read

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<v Speaker 1>is all five hundred thousand troops lost in California. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what the Battle of the Philippine was for Japan. You

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<v Speaker 1>just threw all you had left at us and we

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<v Speaker 1>wiped it out without even losing that much. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the last of your traditional I want to stress this,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the last of your traditional forces. Our destroyers

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<v Speaker 1>taking on your destroyers, our fighters taking on your fighters

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<v Speaker 1>are subs versus. You tried one last big traditional battle

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<v Speaker 1>and you didn't even scratch us. You got crushed and

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<v Speaker 1>now you have nothing left. What are you thinking now

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<v Speaker 1>in Japan. Well, here's the thing about warfare, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is one thing I definitely have learned in all my

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<v Speaker 1>time reading about history and watching history, geeking out on

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<v Speaker 1>it the same way you geek out on it. You

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<v Speaker 1>know who wants to fight traditionally and insists on fighting

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<v Speaker 1>traditionally the more powerful country every single time.

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<v Speaker 2>You know who.

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<v Speaker 1>Resorts to tactics that are thought of as dirty gorilla,

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<v Speaker 1>not fair, the weaker power. Everybody wants to fight. Traditionally,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to become a gorilla fighter. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to become a gorilla fighter. I want to raise

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<v Speaker 1>my army and raise my ships, and raise my air force,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want them to be more powerful than yours

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<v Speaker 1>and wipe you off to sea, and wipe you off

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<v Speaker 1>the land, and wipe you out of the air. But

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<v Speaker 1>if those options become no longer available to me, then

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<v Speaker 1>I either lay down my arms and quit, or I

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<v Speaker 1>throw out tradition and I have to go with other means.

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<v Speaker 1>So Japan had a choice to make. Now what are

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<v Speaker 1>those other means? Well, as we discussed last night, you

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<v Speaker 1>or at least no what I'm talking about to really

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<v Speaker 1>fully understand this. What is the thing that Japan still has.

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<v Speaker 1>They may not have the.

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<v Speaker 3>Ships, they may not have the fuel, they may not have.

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<v Speaker 1>All the fight and all the modern fighter planes and

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<v Speaker 1>the bombs and everything else. But what do they still have.

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<v Speaker 1>They still have an entire country of people who have

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<v Speaker 1>been nurtured and trained, you'd call it indoctrinated, probably in

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<v Speaker 1>a willingness to die for the emperor, in a willingness

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<v Speaker 1>to die for the country. And that may not be

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<v Speaker 1>as valuable as an American aircraft carrier, It may not

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<v Speaker 1>be as valuable as fifty hellcats with well trained pilots.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's all you've got. If it's all you've got,

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<v Speaker 1>then you better lead with that. You better use it

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<v Speaker 1>because it's all you've got. When I was in sales

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<v Speaker 1>and selling RBS, I didn't know anything about our vs,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew nothing. You know what I could do. I

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<v Speaker 2>could make you laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>I could make you relax, make you laugh and talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what I didn't want to do. I didn't Well,

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<v Speaker 3>An m stick. Nope, I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have that option available to me. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you a stupid joke. I'll make you laugh. You lead

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<v Speaker 1>with whatever you've got. After the Battle of the Philippine Sea,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to lead with their people, but they also

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the pilots left. As we talked about America, really,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we really did it so smart. Our pilots

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd have these pilots and they'd go, they'd fight, they'd

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<v Speaker 1>get these kills and fight and get kills, and fight

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<v Speaker 1>and get kills, and then we would rotate them out.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't want them staying in combat till they died.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd rotate them back to America. And so these super

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<v Speaker 1>experienced pilots were training the next generation of pilots, getting

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<v Speaker 1>the ultimate education. Japan didn't and Japan couldn't. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the numbers. Their experienced pilots are gone. What do

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<v Speaker 1>the Philippines which you need? You create a special attack force.

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<v Speaker 1>talk in the history of Japanese kamic cozies. If you

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<v Speaker 1>miss any part of the show last night and at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of it, well it was a third hour

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<v Speaker 2>Any part of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Show ever, iHeart Spotify iTunes. Japanese lose the Battle of

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<v Speaker 1>the Philippines Sea. They can't fight traditionally anymore, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they come up with a plan. They decide to use

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<v Speaker 1>what they have, and what they have is a country

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<v Speaker 1>full of people who will will die for it, will

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<v Speaker 1>die for the Emperor, including young pilots and they even

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<v Speaker 1>start scarfing up people who had previously been exempted from

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<v Speaker 1>military service. And this is something that happens in every

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<v Speaker 1>a country does this, when we read about it or

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it, we always kind of look down on them. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>look at that they're conscripting teenagers. Look at that they're

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<v Speaker 1>conscripting older people.

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<v Speaker 3>How could they do that?

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<v Speaker 1>But the truth is every country does it when that

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<v Speaker 1>country gets desperate enough. When the situation gets desperate enough,

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<v Speaker 1>countries will do it. Countries will well, they'll grab what

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<v Speaker 1>they have. They started grabbing young Japanese men, some of

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<v Speaker 1>whom were completely exempted from this, some of whom were

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<v Speaker 1>already in pilot school. And they handed them a sheet

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<v Speaker 1>of paper. And on this sheet of paper it had

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<v Speaker 1>three choices on it. It's kind of hilarious, but the

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<v Speaker 1>three choices were I will enthusiastically they're asking them, if

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be a kamakzi pathot, I will enthusiastically die for

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<v Speaker 1>the emperor, I will die for the emperor, or I

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<v Speaker 1>refuse to die for the emperor. Two of the three

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<v Speaker 1>were I'll die for the emperor and I do not

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<v Speaker 1>want to sit here and act as if they were

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<v Speaker 1>all forced or coerced.

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<v Speaker 2>Many were all.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to really figure out what's inside of their minds.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the letters they wrote back home. The stories will

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<v Speaker 1>differ depending on which book you're reading, or which documentary

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching or podcast you're listening to. But the number

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<v Speaker 1>I kept hearing fairly consistently was about two thirds of

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<v Speaker 1>the Kamakzies were volunteers, willing, completely willing. As it went on,

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<v Speaker 1>the volunteer became less and less and they had to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of force more people, but they did find a

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<v Speaker 1>willing population. Now pause on everything, and let's describe the

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<v Speaker 1>few different kinds of kamakazis, because we're only really going

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on the one really main one, the one

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<v Speaker 1>most successful one.

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<v Speaker 3>There were.

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<v Speaker 1>Kama Kazi boats. These are tiny little boats. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>very big. Japan was so hurting for parts at this

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<v Speaker 1>time that they were putting car engines in these little boats.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't have to sink any money into

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<v Speaker 1>the material of the boat. You just have to get

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<v Speaker 1>it to where it's going, and you have to load

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<v Speaker 1>enough explosives into it. It was paper mache. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it was lightwood with a car engine and a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of explosives in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the idea was.

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<v Speaker 1>You zoom this boat up to a big American ship

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<v Speaker 1>and simply crash it into the side of it. It

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<v Speaker 1>had a few whose sticking out the end and when

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<v Speaker 1>the fuse hit, boom. The reason you haven't heard that

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<v Speaker 1>much about these is, I'm sure it happened. I could

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<v Speaker 1>not find a documented recording of a kill of one

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<v Speaker 1>of these things. It may have happened. Don't get me wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You could welcome to email me and correct me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying it didn't happen. If it happened, it was rare.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason we know so much about these boats is

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<v Speaker 1>after we ended up spoiler Alert, winning the war and

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<v Speaker 1>taking over Japan, we discovered legions of these boats all

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<v Speaker 1>over Japan. They were preparing, They were preparing for Godzilla

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<v Speaker 1>to be ray outside of the island. Also another form submarines.

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<v Speaker 1>Now people confuse these two. The Japanese had Kamikazi submarines

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<v Speaker 1>and Kamakazi torpedoes. Believe it or not, those are two

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<v Speaker 1>different things. The submarines, again, I'm sure there were hits.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they were kills. It was never done that successfully. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>submarine technology in World War Two on every side was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing close to what it is today. You need to

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<v Speaker 1>set aside your modern thinking of it. When a submarine

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<v Speaker 1>went underwater back then, because of the technology they had,

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<v Speaker 1>it was one easily visible to a plane flying overhead.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna look down and see that's a submarine. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very obvious. Have you ever seen a helicopter flying over

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<v Speaker 1>a beach today looking at sharks? How obvious are the sharks?

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<v Speaker 1>You look down, you see them. That's how obvious a

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<v Speaker 1>submarine would have been. It's not only obvious that it's there.

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<v Speaker 1>They're super slow, majorly slow, way slower than any ship.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were a submarine and you got seen, you

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<v Speaker 1>were in deep trouble. So they didn't get a huge

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<v Speaker 1>amount of success either. But also another thing we discovered

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<v Speaker 1>when we took over at the end of the war,

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<v Speaker 1>they were building legions of these boats submarines to take

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<v Speaker 1>out Godzilla. There was also a Japanese torpedo. Really freaking cool,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, a Japanese torpedo that is exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like. They would put some poor sap. They

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<v Speaker 1>created essentially a cockpit in a torpedo, and the Japanese, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris was amazing, and the Japanese had amazing torpedoes. They

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<v Speaker 1>were called long lance long lance torpedoes, which I know

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<v Speaker 1>is a cool name, long lance torpedoes. They found a

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<v Speaker 1>way to put a pilot in one so he could

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, torpedo is much faster than a submarine, so

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<v Speaker 1>they could launch him from something at an American ship

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<v Speaker 1>and he could guide it into the side of the

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<v Speaker 1>American ship. The reason I'm mentioning all these things in

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<v Speaker 1>passing is not because they're not cool. They're all kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cool in a way. It's wild to think of

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<v Speaker 1>the different ways they were planning on using their people

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<v Speaker 1>who were willing to die. But I just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>passed over most of these because they just were never

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<v Speaker 1>employed in any significant way and they never did any

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<v Speaker 1>amount of significant damage. I am not, of course, dismissing

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<v Speaker 1>any loss of life that did come from these things,

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<v Speaker 1>or American sailors marines who were killed by these things.

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't find much of a record of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I looked, I looked at if there was a

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<v Speaker 1>significant loss. I've never read about it ever. Maybe been

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<v Speaker 1>a little ship here hurt or a little ship there hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>They just didn't do very much damage. What did do

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable amounts of damage more than you know about are

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<v Speaker 1>the planes as we sailed towards the Philippines, the kamikaze

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<v Speaker 1>were deployed. Will hopefully finish up our talk next. Maybe not,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll try.
