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How you living? 39 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 4: What's up? 40 00:01:47,879 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: Man? 41 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 4: I'm doing great? 42 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: Man? 43 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 4: How are you? 44 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,359 Speaker 3: I'm doing fantastic. Appreciate you hopping on. What's the state 45 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,480 of the Big twelve right now? What have you been 46 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,120 talking about on your podcast this week? 47 00:01:58,959 --> 00:02:00,799 Speaker 4: Man? Well, it's kind of a I'm in Big twelve 48 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,640 basketball world right now. I feel like you guys know 49 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:06,680 that full well over in Provo what's going on with 50 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:08,879 all the injuries and really, if you want to lump 51 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,960 in the Darren Pearson saga too, just like injuries slash 52 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,879 load management, everything that's going on with Big twelve stars 53 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,360 right now is really really a bummer, you know. I mean, 54 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,800 I think the Big twelve still has a great shot 55 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,639 to win a national championship, and you want to see 56 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,039 the Big twelve perform well in the NCAA tournament. But 57 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:30,199 I mean Texas Tech I think was a legitimate Final 58 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:32,919 four contender, maybe a national title contender. They've beaten three 59 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,159 top five teams this year, but losing JT. Toppin is 60 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:40,680 just brutal. I mean, that's a backbreaker. He's Evan Miyakawa, 61 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:44,599 who does some analytics, has one of the more popular 62 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,560 basketball analytics sites out there. He dropped Tech from twelve 63 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,560 to fortieth without JP Toppins, So I mean you're talking 64 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,639 about a monster, monster difference there with a guy who 65 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,599 was like in the running for a National Player of 66 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,479 the Year. He's at least like in that conversation, So 67 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,879 it's horrible to see him go down with an obviously 68 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,439 Richie Saunders also, you know, I mean just ultimate program guy, 69 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:06,919 a four year guy at one school in this day 70 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,800 and age, where he's you know, taking himself from a 71 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,840 role player into potential All American this year with the 72 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:16,280 way that he was playing, like just gut wrenching to 73 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:18,000 see him go down like that and lose the rest 74 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,120 of his season. And obviously, you know for BYU it 75 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:23,479 team has already been hit really hard with injuries. You've 76 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,159 just taken on so much water as far as that's 77 00:03:26,199 --> 00:03:29,479 concerned throughout the season. So I don't know exactly what 78 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,400 the ceiling is. I mean, AJ's playing awesome thirty points 79 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,479 a game over the last five, but he's gonna need 80 00:03:36,479 --> 00:03:38,280 some help, and I don't know if there's enough help 81 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,000 but enough firepower there for a deep run this year. 82 00:03:41,039 --> 00:03:43,000 But we'll see, you know. I know, Kevin Young seems 83 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:44,879 seems pretty fired up about that. And then you throw 84 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:48,240 in like even co A Pete, I think he's gonna 85 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,919 be okay, but the way things are going in the 86 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:51,879 Big Twelve right now, he's having to miss a week 87 00:03:51,919 --> 00:03:54,919 and so you worry about what the long term prognosis 88 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,159 is there. And then you know Bill self is now 89 00:03:57,199 --> 00:03:59,280 getting a little set up. It seems that the press 90 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,879 conferences with Aaron Peterson and not knowing exactly how to 91 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:04,919 handle what's going on with that. So I just hope 92 00:04:04,919 --> 00:04:08,159 that if it's gonna be Houston or Iowa stay carrying 93 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:10,159 everybody else or the rest of the league kind of 94 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:13,520 regrouping and gathering itself for the NCAA Tournament, I hope 95 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,439 things are okay there. 96 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:19,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty devastating news for the Big Twelve, especially as 97 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,360 they've been considered the best conference in America alongside the 98 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:25,920 Big Ten. And you don't want it to be like 99 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:29,040 the postseason of the Big Toe. Now, the Big Twelve 100 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:31,759 did okay in the postseason for in football, right, but 101 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,279 they kind of fell short a little bit. Wouldn't you 102 00:04:33,319 --> 00:04:35,240 say they underachieved a little bit in the postseason. 103 00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:39,399 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's just the Texas Tech game overshadows 104 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:42,759 everything right in football, So that's kind of how I 105 00:04:42,759 --> 00:04:45,439 would phrase it. It's like that was such a dud 106 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,279 that it's hard to really regain much else outside of that. 107 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I feel like the Big Twelve may 108 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,959 be trending in that same direction. 109 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: With j C. Toppins and you're Richie Saunders injury. 110 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean the good news is, like we saw 111 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,959 the Houston Iowa was taking game on Monday night, which 112 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,759 was one of the best games of the season, one 113 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,360 of the best games probably in the country so far 114 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:08,839 this year between those two, and they seem to be 115 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:11,000 totally rolling right now. 116 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: Now. 117 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 4: I will say I'm a little cautious with Iowa State 118 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,360 because the reputation at Otzolberger has been like that they 119 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:19,720 do tail off a little bit in March after having 120 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:22,279 incredible regular seasons or at least all the way up 121 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,360 through like late January, and then maybe they're not quite 122 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:27,800 as good after that. They seem to be peaking at 123 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,319 a much better time this year, which I think is positive. 124 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:33,759 We just saw Houston almost win the national championship last year, 125 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,720 so I trust that they'll be ready to go for 126 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,000 a deep run. And then Arizona, Yeah, it's just it's 127 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,439 like contingent on the health of Copete. But they are 128 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,279 really deep, you know. I will say that we're talking 129 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,480 about death issues with like Texas Tech and DYU, Arizona 130 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,240 is pretty deep. So if there is a team that's 131 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,560 built to withstand a little bit of an injury issue, 132 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:53,920 Arizona would have a better shot there. But yeah, that's 133 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,839 my you know, nervous caution with the situation right now 134 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:01,639 is yeah, hopefully it's not headed towards something like that, 135 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:03,600 and it's just a bit of a you know, we're 136 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,279 in the dog days, right, We're in the dog days 137 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,959 of the basketball season. You get into mid to late February, 138 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:12,240 it's a grind, especially in this conference. So hopefully once 139 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,720 everybody comes out of playing everybody at the Big twelve, 140 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,600 things will look really nice in the NCAA tournament. 141 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: Wanted to get your thoughts on the Darren Peterson situation. 142 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:26,959 I was I thought this entire time that Bill Self 143 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:32,199 was in on the load management structure right of Darren Peterson, Like, hey, 144 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,279 he gets to do what he wants, when he wants, 145 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,000 how he wants. He can sub himself out, you know, 146 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,199 he's he may or may not have an injury. 147 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: He was in on it, right. 148 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 3: He got him there to to Kansas and was like, look, 149 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:46,480 we just we just want you here and you can 150 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:47,279 do whatever you want. 151 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:50,319 Speaker 2: We just need you here. It seems like Bill self 152 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:51,079 is no longer. 153 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,959 Speaker 3: It seems like the last two press conferences postgame and 154 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,759 then earlier today, he's not in on it, Like he's like, no, 155 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,519 we got to get him to play. We got to 156 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:03,560 figure this out. Give me your thoughts on this situation. 157 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:06,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean March, you know, I think it's March. 158 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:09,759 Like March is right around the corner, and they're looking 159 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,600 around like, Okay, this has gone on long enough, Like 160 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:15,439 we got to the NCAA tournament, Bill Selftones, that's how 161 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:18,199 he's going to be judged. Kansas has been disappointing there 162 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,600 since winning the national championship back in the twenty one 163 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,399 to twenty two season, so he knows he's got to 164 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:26,319 get that figured out. And right now it's like, I'm 165 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,879 sure they thought they would have a little clearer picture 166 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,920 of what this was going to look like by you know, 167 00:07:31,079 --> 00:07:34,240 late February, and they don't. So to me, it just 168 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:37,319 it screams like a coach that's feeling the pressure of that, 169 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:39,439 and I mean just the frustration and like, look, I 170 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,879 don't blame him, I mean, how could you not be 171 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,279 frustrated with how everything's played out with that And another 172 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:47,759 example of it, I mean, probably the most egregious example 173 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:50,160 we've seen of it was just him hitting a three 174 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,680 and turning around to the bench and immediately wanting to 175 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,439 pull himself out. Just the optics are not good with 176 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:59,439 that at the moment. So I'm with you that self 177 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,839 probably has had some level of realization throughout this whole 178 00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:05,399 process that like there's an inevitability to like we're gonna 179 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:07,120 have to deal with some of this. But it sure 180 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:10,399 makes you think that part of the discussion was like, oh, 181 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:12,240 you know, we get closer to March or whatever, maybe 182 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:15,000 maybe you can go a little further, we can unlock 183 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,720 this a bit more, and that that obviously is still 184 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,360 not happening. So maybe in the NCAA tournament, Peterson and 185 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,759 his team will decide like, all right, look, this is 186 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:29,120 the highest profile stage we've got. This is why you 187 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,759 come to college to play in these NCAA tournament games. 188 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,159 Will totally cut it loose here. But man, I don't know, 189 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,879 because you've already gotten this to the point where it's 190 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:40,159 such a big storyline that it's a legitimate talking point 191 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:42,000 for him being the number one taking the draft or not, 192 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,519 therefore theoretically affecting his future a little bit. They've already 193 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,480 like crossed that bridge. So I don't know that you'd 194 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:50,279 be like, well, we'll let him play all the way 195 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:52,399 through in the NCAA tournament because it'll save that. Because 196 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:53,919 I don't know if it's going to say that, people 197 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,879 are already questioning it enough. So yeah, I don't have 198 00:08:56,919 --> 00:08:59,320 like a great feel on what's going on there, other 199 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,879 than to say, I mean, hey, if it's been like 200 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:04,039 this for November, December, January, now February, I'm not going 201 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,559 to be the guy that goes out there and predicts 202 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,840 that it'll be totally different in March when they're in 203 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,000 like a sweet sixteen game, you know, with five minutes 204 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:13,360 to go in a tie game, I'm not going to 205 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,519 be overly confident that Darren Peterson is going to be 206 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:18,120 out there for him. 207 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: Continuing down the line of Big twelve conversation, coach Tang 208 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,840 was let go of his job for cause what's the 209 00:09:27,879 --> 00:09:30,759 recent updates on that front? Give me your perspective on 210 00:09:30,799 --> 00:09:34,320 this as you cover this team on the daily. 211 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 212 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,039 Speaker 4: So, here's the thing. I think a lot of people, 213 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,440 and I understand why, are kind of missing some of 214 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,759 the biggest piece of this story. All Case State has 215 00:09:44,759 --> 00:09:49,039 done publicly is say insinuate, not even directly say, but 216 00:09:49,159 --> 00:09:53,039 insinuate that the firing four cause was about the press 217 00:09:53,039 --> 00:09:55,759 conference after the Cincinnati game where he said, a bunch 218 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:57,440 of these guys aren't even going to be here. They 219 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,440 don't next year, they don't deserve to wear the uniform 220 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,759 all that. There's more to it than that, Like, it's 221 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:06,080 not just that. That's kind of like a last straw 222 00:10:06,159 --> 00:10:08,960 with the long line of things behind the scenes that 223 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,399 I think had been difficult for them to deal with. 224 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:16,360 I don't think Jerome Tang has been a really easy 225 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:19,120 guy to deal with behind the scenes. And I would 226 00:10:19,159 --> 00:10:21,399 just put it to you like this, think about it 227 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,000 like an iceberg, right, you see the tip of the iceberg, 228 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,720 but there was always massive amounts of ice actually underneath 229 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,080 the water that you're not seeing. But what we've seen 230 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,279 is over the last few years, Jerome Tang got involved 231 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,360 in a massive scandal at Iowa State where he accused 232 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:38,080 dj Oziberger of spying on him in the huddle and 233 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,759 did that in the handshake line, and it became a 234 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,200 huge thing and was very embarrassing to the school. Earlier 235 00:10:44,279 --> 00:10:47,960 that season, Naekwon Tomlin got kicked off the team. There 236 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,159 was a bar fight incident. There was also a title 237 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,120 nine incident behind the scenes that didn't get really publicized 238 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,000 at the time. A lot of he said, she said 239 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,279 Tang basically turned the entire fan base of media against 240 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:00,840 the university president on that one. It was a huge 241 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:04,080 drama filled thing that drug on for a long time. 242 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,080 You have that there was an assistant coach that got 243 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,360 in a little scuffle with a Kansas assistant after case 244 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:12,399 a BTU one year in Bramwa's coliseum. He had his 245 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,600 own dust up with Bill self and a handshake line 246 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:17,759 at one point. There have been weird absences for players 247 00:11:17,759 --> 00:11:19,279 in and out of the lineup each of the last 248 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,120 few years. There's just been a lot, a lot of 249 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,720 drama and a lot of things that have been public 250 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:26,519 for everybody to see. So I would just ask you 251 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,559 if that's the iceberg that you can see, let's just 252 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,559 take a guess that there might be some other things 253 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,320 happening under the water there. Now. I'm not saying that 254 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:40,279 it's not a little bit intellectually dishonest. Yeah, from case 255 00:11:40,279 --> 00:11:43,399 state that. I mean, of course, he's being fired because 256 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:45,360 he's not good. And of course if he were eleven 257 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,159 to one in the Big twelve instead of one and eleven, 258 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,519 they wouldn't be firing him, But what industry is that 259 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,639 not really the case where a high achiever gets away 260 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,960 with a lot more, and that a pattern of bad 261 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,000 behavior could be something that does get you fired if 262 00:11:59,039 --> 00:12:01,960 you're not performing up to standards. And the language in 263 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,799 the contract, there is some pretty solid language there about 264 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,960 conduct that causes embarrassment to the university, the school, or 265 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,799 the coach, and you can go read the specifics of it. 266 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:14,000 I'm no lawyer, but it certainly reads to me like 267 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,879 there's at least a case there. And I don't think 268 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,960 kse State's idea with any of this was, oh, we're 269 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,919 going to get out of the whole eighteen point seven million. 270 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,039 They're trying to do the same thing that Texas Tech 271 00:12:23,039 --> 00:12:24,960 did with Mark Adams. They're trying to do the same 272 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,679 thing that Saint John's did with Mike Anderson, which is 273 00:12:27,799 --> 00:12:30,960 just settle, just settle, get some of the buyout knocked off, 274 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:33,799 and that would be my guess as to what ultimately 275 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:35,519 happens here is that they will save a little bit 276 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:40,200 of money. They probably didn't anticipate this much blowback to it, 277 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,799 which I think they've been hurt by the fact that 278 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,960 it happened in season, and it happened at a really 279 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,879 slow part of the sports calendar, So you have all 280 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,399 these people helicoptering in to give takes on it because 281 00:12:49,399 --> 00:12:51,799 there's not much else going on. Like, I don't genuinely 282 00:12:51,799 --> 00:12:55,240 think Steven A. Smith really cares about Case State firing 283 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,000 Jerb Tang, But there's not a whole lot going on. 284 00:12:57,039 --> 00:12:59,879 So Steven A. Smith is actually talking about it, so 285 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,039 you can debate the merits of the pr hit versus 286 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,759 you know, what you might actually save and what the 287 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:09,000 settlement's going to look like. But I don't think I've 288 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,519 been I will admit to you I've been a little 289 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,799 annoyed at the just everybody helicoptering vibe to drop a 290 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,320 bomb on Case State like this is the most ridiculous. 291 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,159 We've never seen anything like this, We've seen play this. Also, 292 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,519 the coaching community has a vested interest in coming out 293 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:27,919 and saying, hey, you can't do this. Pay the guy 294 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,639 is money, so you're seth Greenberg's your fran for shill Is. 295 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,279 Of course they're all over that because they don't want 296 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,120 the precedent set of this becoming a more regular thing 297 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:37,919 where guys are gonna lose some of their buyout money 298 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,720 on a regular basis. So all of it's just it's 299 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:45,480 annoyed me a bit, but I fully recognize it's not 300 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,360 like the most in good faith in the world thing 301 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:49,480 that case State is doing here. 302 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: Well, what's interesting is didn't Drum Tang say the kind 303 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,440 of the quiet part out loud with like how he 304 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:02,279 would how coaches maybe possibly set themselves up to get 305 00:14:02,279 --> 00:14:06,919 fired for cause. But then he said he would maybe 306 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,320 go on like a mission. 307 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:11,879 Speaker 2: Trip and set up I don't know. 308 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 3: I think he said something about maybe schools and orphanages 309 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:19,759 and things of that nature. I can't remember which podcast 310 00:14:19,799 --> 00:14:22,159 I saw it on it you may have more insight there. 311 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,159 Have you heard of anything like that? He went on 312 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:26,399 record in the off season about this. 313 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,039 Speaker 4: Well, I'm trying to so I believe the Clipper referencing 314 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:32,240 is he would he would do a segment the case 315 00:14:32,279 --> 00:14:34,559 they would produce that was called like hang Him with Tang, 316 00:14:34,559 --> 00:14:37,200 where he would go sit on a couch with students, yes, 317 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:39,159 a case state, and they would ask him questions. And 318 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,039 I can't remember the full context of it, but he 319 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:44,480 kind of cracked a joke like, well, hey, i'd be 320 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,559 cool just taking my taking my buyout money or whatever 321 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,159 and going off to an island or something that yeah, yeah, yeah, 322 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:53,240 So in jest, he did make a comment like that 323 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,080 at one point in time, I have no idea. Look again, 324 00:14:56,159 --> 00:14:57,759 like I'm not a lawyer. I have no idea how 325 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,600 much that can help him or hert I will tell 326 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:03,159 you the Athletic did a really good article and they 327 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:05,440 didn't even analyze everything I said about, like, hey, I 328 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,440 think there's other stuff going on here too that'll be 329 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,679 a part of case state's case. They just took it 330 00:15:09,679 --> 00:15:12,279 at face value and like, okay, what about the embarrassment piece? 331 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,120 Match it with the press conference? How does this work? 332 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:18,080 And a couple of the lawyers they talked to said, actually, 333 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:20,840 the kind of smoking gun, if you will, in that. 334 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,440 The thing that Tang said that really hurt him is 335 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,759 when he said most of these guys aren't even going 336 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:28,120 to be here next year. Because they said, now you're 337 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:31,000 making the case like okay, so you're already kicking guys 338 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:34,240 off the team midseason, or you're talking about contract negotiations 339 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,200 with these guys already that we might want to have 340 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,960 a state You should go read the articles by David 341 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Ubben at the athletic it was pretty good, but they 342 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,879 seem to think that that would be the most problematic 343 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:45,600 part for Tang. So he's said some things. Now, Look, 344 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:47,960 I think Jean Taylor, case State's athletic director, has also 345 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,399 done some things that are a little detrimental. He did 346 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,080 an interview with the Manhattan Mercury, one of the local papers, 347 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,799 where I just can't imagine why the university council let 348 00:15:57,879 --> 00:16:01,000 him do that. But so, I think sides have probably 349 00:16:02,039 --> 00:16:04,159 hurt themselves a little bit with some public comments. And 350 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,480 I don't think either side wanted to go to Discovery 351 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:09,720 at all. So I think that's why you're probably gonna 352 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,360 see this thing settle at some point. 353 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,519 Speaker 3: Love the breakdown. John Kertz here on es me and 354 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:16,960 the fan. John, You've you've also you did a little 355 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,080 peace on Provo and BYU and road trips. I know 356 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:24,759 your name could be had for good and evil. When 357 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:28,360 you talk positively about a trip to Provo, give a 358 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,080 little give a little breakdown of what what you discussed 359 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,000 and and and maybe the repercussions of such. 360 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny, it's funny you bring that up. 361 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:38,159 Speaker 1: Man. 362 00:16:38,679 --> 00:16:41,799 Speaker 4: So I will just say, I mean so I've been 363 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,759 three times now. I went to the case A game 364 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:46,120 in twenty four, I went to the Utah football game 365 00:16:46,159 --> 00:16:49,279 this past year, and then explore Utah. Alley did bring 366 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,840 me out for a trip to go watch the Houston 367 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,600 basketball game. Now I bring that up to say, like, yeah, 368 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,440 I'm getting killed by some folks. 369 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: You know. 370 00:16:57,399 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 4: Oh, like obviously you're going to say good things about 371 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,159 it if someone bringing you out there. I say that 372 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,440 to say I've done it twice on my own and 373 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:06,680 one time, yeah, I was covering case Dy. I came 374 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,359 back again just out of my own pot, both times, 375 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,039 out of my own pocket, just to go do it. 376 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:13,599 And I am being genuine when I say that in 377 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,839 my fifteen years of like making road trips as someone 378 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:19,400 who I mean, I love the mountains, I love the outdoors, 379 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:22,880 I love hiking, Like I really do like that vibe. 380 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,359 So maybe Provo appeals to me a little bit more 381 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,839 than another guy or another college football fan who maybe 382 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:30,759 they're more into like, Hey, I want somewhere there where 383 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:32,400 I can just go to a massive party. That's not 384 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,400 really my vibe, but it's legitimately my favorite trip that 385 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,400 I have taken. In doing all this and that is genuine, 386 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,160 and that's why I've done it twice on my own 387 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,680 without even you know, anybody sending me out there. So 388 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,400 it's a little frustrating, But like I knew there would 389 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,880 be some of that. I knew I would get some 390 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,799 of that, you know, what to expect. I think it's 391 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:52,599 a cool thing. I like coming out there. If you 392 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:53,920 want me to come out there and talk about the 393 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,240 good things happening in Provo, I will definitely do it. 394 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:58,400 And you know, I also I do get a little 395 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,279 frustrated with people that haven't been there talking about the 396 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,559 typical stereotypes that you hear, because I'm like, look, man, 397 00:18:05,599 --> 00:18:09,559 I've I've been out enough and just through what I'm 398 00:18:09,559 --> 00:18:12,359 doing with my platform, have met enough YU fans, some 399 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,920 of whom have become really close friends of mine that 400 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,720 I just really like. I've been treated so well. I 401 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:21,799 really like the people and are just really nice, average 402 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:25,480 people like I just so I did want to try 403 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:28,039 and put my spin on just trying to show like, hey, 404 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,480 it's just it's like any place that you would go 405 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,119 just with some beautiful mountains and an unbelievable athletics program 406 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,160 right now, and some really good food and you know, 407 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,000 plenty of things to do outdoors. Is I trying to 408 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,039 orchestrate or illustrate rather in the video? But I knew, 409 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:45,720 I knew there would be some pushback to it. There's 410 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,720 always going to be that. I just if it can 411 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:51,440 get the message out there positively to some people. I 412 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,599 hope that some people are legitimately listening, and I have 413 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,359 enough credibility in their eyes for them to listen to that. 414 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,839 And you know, we'll deal with the haters who cares. 415 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,319 Speaker 3: You know, always there's always love and hate wherever you go, 416 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,240 my friend, as soon as you a pine, as soon 417 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,920 as you open your mouth, all will will flow positively 418 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,599 or negatively. That is the case, my friend. How many 419 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,079 sell out comments did you get from that post? How 420 00:19:18,079 --> 00:19:19,680 many sellout posts? 421 00:19:20,279 --> 00:19:23,839 Speaker 4: Oh? I mean, like there was one one for sure 422 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,559 on Twitter that I'm thinking of, And I haven't checked 423 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:28,599 the YouTube comments in a minute. I had one or two. 424 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,039 It wasn't like terrible, terrible. But the people that come in, 425 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,240 you know, come in real strong. They're trying to really 426 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,279 you know, it is what it is. I have look, 427 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:40,480 every time something like that happens, I have to think 428 00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:42,960 and like stop and remind myself, like Hey, especially in 429 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,960 my younger years, like I've been that guy on the 430 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,279 other side of it too, so I can't you know, 431 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,759 some of it's some of it's just gonna come back around. 432 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:52,599 And that's why I try to do very very little 433 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,960 event these days and just do my things, stay in 434 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,960 my own lane. So you were, as you get older 435 00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,519 in life. 436 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: You know, do great work. 437 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:03,839 Speaker 3: Man. Always appreciate anything else that's been keeping you up 438 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:05,880 at night that you've been talking about on your podcast. 439 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,200 We invite everyone to follow you and subscribe to your podcast. 440 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: Man. 441 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:14,519 Speaker 4: The only other story that was kind of interesting to 442 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:17,640 me recently was Texas ducking out on that Arizona State series, 443 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,599 which it's in football. It's not until the twenty thirties, 444 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,240 was like thirty one and thirty two, so who knows 445 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:25,000 what the heck college football is going to look like 446 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,200 at that point anyway, But Texas is doing it because 447 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,119 the SEC is going to a nine game schedule, nine 448 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,440 game conference schedule, which to me signaled a little bit 449 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,200 of like okay, like Big twelve teams aren't going to 450 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:39,240 need to understand this reality, Like it's going to be 451 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,480 harder to schedule SEC teams because they don't want to 452 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,400 schedule a loss, and Texas is keeping Ohio State and 453 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,480 Notre Dame on the schedule. I'm sure thinking, well, if 454 00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:50,279 we do lose to them, that won't be really a 455 00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:53,319 reputational hit. We could definitely lose to Arizona State, as 456 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,039 we learned in the College Football Playoff, and then we 457 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,519 probably wouldn't really get as much benefit of the doubt 458 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:00,400 because that's a big twelve team. I think it's going 459 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,960 to get harder to schedule SEC teams, maybe just big 460 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,759 brands in general, which puts extra emphasis on games like 461 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,400 Notre Dame BYU and like Oklahoma State Oregon, which people 462 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,079 aren't talking about as much. And look, it's probably a 463 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,160 long shot, but you definitely want to have a better 464 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,599 showing than Oklahoma State did last year. You just got 465 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:21,440 to take advantage of these opportunities when you can get them. 466 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,119 And kudos to Arizona State because they've got Texas A 467 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,279 and M this year and next, and then they have 468 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:29,160 a series with LSU on the books too, so they're 469 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,759 not shy about going out there and trying to get 470 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:33,559 series like that. And Texas Tech, I'm sure they're trying. 471 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:36,640 I don't know exactly how hard. They are trying right now, 472 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,640 but with their non con schedule and taking a bit 473 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,359 of a beating over that this year. Tech, especially if 474 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,799 they want to be the big boys of the conference, 475 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:44,240 they should probably be trying to go get some of 476 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:46,680 those games too, but might be a little bit more 477 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,279 difficult after what we saw Texas do there to back out. 478 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I've had this discussion with you. The 479 00:21:53,799 --> 00:21:59,240 SEC does not want any sort of cross conference data 480 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:02,240 points to work against them. That's the last thing they want. 481 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,119 They want the equity that's been built over the last 482 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,240 twenty five thirty years to continue into the modern era 483 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,799 because when they go head to head against other power conferences, 484 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:13,160 we see what happens. They're maybe okay with the Big 485 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,599 ten because you know the Big ten is on an 486 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,480 equivalent sphere. 487 00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 2: They don't want the SEC. They don't want the Big twelve. 488 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 3: They don't want any G six programs that prominence because 489 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:26,279 they may lose those games and undermine their their equity 490 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:29,279 that they've built for twenty five thirty years, that was 491 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:37,920 built off of bagmen and rural from rural car dealerships. 492 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: That's what it was built off. 493 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,319 Speaker 3: The SEC was built off of bag men, and rural 494 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:43,720 car dealership deals. 495 00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 4: That's it. It's such an astute point, I mean because and 496 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,119 like it's hard to blame them, like they have got 497 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,799 the system so set up for them, right, Like everything 498 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,480 works for them based on what's happened the last two decades. 499 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,559 That's probably what anybody would try and do, right, Like 500 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,279 just and you saw it with how they fought the 501 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:05,400 college football Playoff in the off season, that they need 502 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,720 more at large bids because basically, we're the SEC, and 503 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:10,480 here are these data points you should look at because 504 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:12,359 we're the toughest conference and we play each other all 505 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,200 the time. So yeah, they just want to keep it 506 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,799 in house. And it even got to the point where 507 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,640 one of the latest Ross Dellinger stories was about how 508 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,400 with all the issues and enforcement of NIL and the 509 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,440 deals above the cap, I mean, the talk out of 510 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,359 the SEC now was, well, maybe we'll just play a 511 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,240 twelve game schedule against each other because then we can 512 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:31,119 dictate all the rules. They're competing against ourselves, and like, 513 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,960 of course, you guys will accept our champion as the 514 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,440 best or whatever because we're the SEC and we built 515 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,599 up this reputation like they're willing to even go nuclear 516 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,319 option basically on it and just say forget everybody else, 517 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:44,799 We're only going to play each other. I mean, that's 518 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,640 that's how much they think along those lines right now. 519 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,720 So I think it's a very as due point that 520 00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:50,400 you bring up. 521 00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:52,319 Speaker 2: There, John Kurtz, we should lead you. 522 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 3: Appreciate you, and we invite everyone to follow you and 523 00:23:55,519 --> 00:23:58,640 subscribe to check out whose podcast Open for Business a 524 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,920 big twelve inside or podcast and YouTube YouTube show. Appreciate you, John, 525 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:04,960 thanks for hopping on today. 526 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,519 Speaker 4: Hey, take care ben any all. 527 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:09,519 Speaker 2: Right, Appreciate you, John Kurtz, Ladies and gentlemen. 528 00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:12,559 Speaker 3: Great segment with John and bikog ro to him as 529 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:15,039 we wrap up this segment. It was brought to you 530 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:17,960 by Primo Golf Apparel premogolf apparel dot com. 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