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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you very much, thank you, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much. I really appreciate the thoughts and the roundom applause.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very nice.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days ago we received notice that Earth Ancients

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<v Speaker 1>had won Best Ancient History Podcast by the Parapod Events

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<v Speaker 1>of Los Angeles. And it's always nice to be remembered

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<v Speaker 1>and thought about. And we were up against hundreds of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I didn't even put a submission and

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<v Speaker 1>they just called me up and said, hey, Cliff, Earth

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<v Speaker 1>Ancients is a good deal, it's a good podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>we like to recognize you. And I was like wow,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course, you know, I mean, you go about

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<v Speaker 1>your business and you don't think about it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we're a form of entertainment. Entertainment. So thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>Parapod and I really appreciate it. You can see the

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<v Speaker 1>award on the Facebook page go to Cliff dunning my profile,

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<v Speaker 1>or go to Earth Ancients International, which is the public

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<v Speaker 1>page or the private pages they're posted there. I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to mention that it's just not me alone. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work that goes into this thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I also want to thank our producer, Gail Tour. She

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<v Speaker 1>has been working diligently to pull together really good material,

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<v Speaker 1>not only for Earth Ancients, but for Destiny and also

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<v Speaker 1>the special edition Earth Ancient Special Edition, sometimes from the archives.

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<v Speaker 1>But lately we've been really just pushing and promoting new

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<v Speaker 1>voices and that's a lot of fun. Also Mark Foster,

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<v Speaker 1>who is a researcher and also the designer for all

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<v Speaker 1>our banners and fais Ol Parvey. He is our YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>channel producer and he is coming to us from Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, Mark Foster's in London, England. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I really love. I love the eclectic

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<v Speaker 1>environment that we have here at Earth Ancients. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that everybody's all over the planet. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a great vibe. And again thanks to Parapod for the award.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always nice to be Hey, we have a good

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<v Speaker 1>show today. Chris dun is back and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>ancient machining, I should say, we're talking about advanced machining

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<v Speaker 1>in ancient Egypt. And it's really becoming quite obvious that

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<v Speaker 1>the Dynastics the Pharonic period of Egypt are not the

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<v Speaker 1>builders of the pyramids, obviously, but not only that, it's

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<v Speaker 1>looking like many of the buildings were repurposed. And what

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<v Speaker 1>this means is that they were survivors the Pharonic period.

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<v Speaker 1>Our survivals if you remember a few, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was about a year ago we had Karacooni on the

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<v Speaker 1>show who wrote a book on recycled death. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>Recycle for Death, and she spent an entire four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>page book describing how these various periods, the Old, Middle

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<v Speaker 1>and New Kingdom of the Pharonic period, they were reusing

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<v Speaker 1>each other's burial goods, and they were reusing each other's

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<v Speaker 1>jewelry and clothing. And it's not a very good picture.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a sad, depressing picture when you realize

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<v Speaker 1>that these guys weren't as dynamic as we all think

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<v Speaker 1>they were. And this kind of bleeds into and moves

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<v Speaker 1>us into pharaohs like Ramsey the Second, who turns out

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<v Speaker 1>to be this narcissistic, egotistical pharaoh who's literally asking his

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<v Speaker 1>artists to erase the names of previous pharaohs and kings

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<v Speaker 1>and rulers and putting his name his cartouche on literally

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of sculptures. And we're going to talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>today with Chris is there's a very famous sculpture that

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<v Speaker 1>was cut from a probably about a two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty to three hundred ton block of granite. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>the Memphis this Museum in Egypt, and this considered Ramses

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<v Speaker 1>the second. But what we're discovering is it has nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with Ramseys, It has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>his period of rule, and it has everything to do

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<v Speaker 1>with the previous people who were these genius, technologically advanced

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<v Speaker 1>people who carved this sculpture. I was so blown away

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<v Speaker 1>by this sculpture when I first saw it a few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago that I was like, this is out of

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<v Speaker 1>this planet. It's so well done. It's a monster. It's

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<v Speaker 1>forty feet tall, almost forty feet tall. It's thirty seven

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<v Speaker 1>point seven or eight or something, but it's huge, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's so elegantly carved the face, the arms, the chest,

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<v Speaker 1>the legs, and you have to see it. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a whole group of photographs that I will post on

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<v Speaker 1>the Facebook page. You'll also be able to see him

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<v Speaker 1>on the YouTube channel if you watch Chris and My interview.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is something that is coming to light more

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<v Speaker 1>and more and more, and I think the Egyptological community

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<v Speaker 1>has to pay more attention to the fact that this

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<v Speaker 1>is not something just to consider as a rare occurrence.

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<v Speaker 1>These statues have all the same space, style, all the same.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about Ramseys too, And by the way, they're available.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see them at Karnak, you can see them

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<v Speaker 1>at Lukxer, you can see them in Valley of the Kings.

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<v Speaker 1>These sculptures all look the same, their machine all the same,

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<v Speaker 1>and they all have this strange smile. And what we're

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<v Speaker 1>beginning to and we'll hear about this today, what we're

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<v Speaker 1>beginning to discern is that it was almost like a

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<v Speaker 1>image of man. This was the ideal man, this gorgeous

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<v Speaker 1>statue that is all over the place, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsey's face.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know really what was.

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<v Speaker 1>Going on during the reign of Ramsey's a second, there

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<v Speaker 1>is some writing, but it's looking more and more like

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<v Speaker 1>he's just claiming hundreds of artifacts and also temples and.

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<v Speaker 2>Buildings. So this is really something we have to pay

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<v Speaker 2>attention to.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have Robert Shock on the program with

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<v Speaker 1>his wife Katie in a couple of weeks, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have some startling new discoveries uncovering temples, pyramids and buildings

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<v Speaker 1>that were protected prior to the great catastrophic event that

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<v Speaker 1>befell the entire Earth. And you know, when we talk

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<v Speaker 1>to people like Randall Carlson and and Mark Young and

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<v Speaker 1>others who are catastrophists and also very much in line

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<v Speaker 1>with this nine thy five hundred BC event, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to be very plain about it and just basically say

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. It was a terminating event. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think Randall says it's eighty percent death rate, but it's very,

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<v Speaker 1>very high, and it was so devastating that when we

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<v Speaker 1>look at Egypt, when we look at Middle America or

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<v Speaker 1>meso America, which are the Maya, probably the Chinese, there

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<v Speaker 1>were very few survivors and the vast majority of minds

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<v Speaker 1>and scientists and engineers were killed. And so when we

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<v Speaker 1>look at these temples, we had to consider them as

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<v Speaker 1>the relics of this predynastic, advanced culture likely to have

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<v Speaker 1>come from all over the planet, but specifically from a

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<v Speaker 1>place known as Atlantis. So today's program is advanced machining

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<v Speaker 1>in ancient Egypt. And my guest is Chris Dunn. So

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<v Speaker 1>much in the news lately the SARS team scanning the pyramid.

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<v Speaker 1>There are bits and pieces coming out about both the

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<v Speaker 1>Caffrey and the Cufu pyramids. I've been talking on the

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<v Speaker 1>show about these megalithic sculptures and just how in the

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<v Speaker 1>hell they were cut because of their monstrosities. They look

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<v Speaker 1>fake to me, they look artificially cut to me, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much more. I've been wanting to touch base

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<v Speaker 1>with it. It's time to bring back Chris Dunn on

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<v Speaker 1>the program. It's been a couple of years that we've

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<v Speaker 1>had him on the show. If you're not familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Dunn, he is kind of the godfather of the

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<v Speaker 1>whole machine movement, the advanced science, the Advanced machining, and

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<v Speaker 1>Ancient Egypt. Wrote three books. The most famous that I

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<v Speaker 1>would think of, the most well researched and referenced, is

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<v Speaker 1>The Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt. He also wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>book called The Giza power Plant. His most recent book

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<v Speaker 1>is Giza The Tesla Connection, and that's came out a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago. So Chris, good to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Ancients. How you doing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing okay, Cliff, how are you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing fantastic. I got you on the show. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to work you over a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>ask you those YEA, yeah, but I'm a friendly face.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm totally on your side and totally believe what you

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<v Speaker 1>have written is the real McCoy. And I'm curious on

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<v Speaker 1>your take on this. Stars a synthetic aperture radar scan

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<v Speaker 1>that the team in Italy put together.

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<v Speaker 2>We had all of.

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<v Speaker 1>Them on the show a few months ago, Felipo Bioni

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<v Speaker 1>and Armando may Corianda Malanga was also no, he was

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<v Speaker 1>not on the show. He didn't speak English, so we

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<v Speaker 1>had two out of the three. But I'm curious when

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<v Speaker 1>you see these scans, Chris, and they're purported to go deep,

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<v Speaker 1>deep under the ground. What what's your feeling on that?

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<v Speaker 3>Ye? Well, I actually went through different phases of feelings

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<v Speaker 3>about it, right the first My first was, oh no,

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<v Speaker 3>that can't be right. And the one thing that really

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<v Speaker 3>put me off the first time was the the the

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<v Speaker 3>CAD drawings that were were extracted out of the out

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<v Speaker 3>of the raw data, and I didn't quite understand how

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<v Speaker 3>they could extract such clean cat drawings out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, but I'm not the expert. And as I

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<v Speaker 3>said I wrote, people were pushing me and saying you

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<v Speaker 3>need to you need to talk. People want to know

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<v Speaker 3>what you what you think about this, because you know

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<v Speaker 3>this the potential to really support your theory on the

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<v Speaker 3>on the Great Pyramid or the other pyramids. And I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, well, okay, I'll respond, And so I responded

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<v Speaker 3>and posted on Facebook and I also have that on

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<v Speaker 3>my website zapower dot com. But my response was essentially

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<v Speaker 3>non committal. At first. I was like, I'm not an expert.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not qualified to say whether this right or wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that there are elements here the overlapp with

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<v Speaker 3>what I have written, and one particular was going back

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<v Speaker 3>to my third book Giz of the Tesla Connection, and

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<v Speaker 3>I am examining the the work of John Cadman and

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<v Speaker 3>the the pump the post generator being in the in

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<v Speaker 3>the subterranean chamber under the Great Pyramid, and not finding

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<v Speaker 3>an outlet for that, I resorted to my original idea

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<v Speaker 3>in the Gezer Popland that perhaps it was some kind

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<v Speaker 3>of Tesla earthquake machine, an oscillator that caused the vibrations

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<v Speaker 3>to be forced into the pyramid and also into the earth. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I commented that with with the knowledge that

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<v Speaker 3>there are the Giza Plaza is riddled with the shafts

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<v Speaker 3>and tunnels. It seems that there is the possibility is

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<v Speaker 3>that they there is what I call the big, big

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<v Speaker 3>Daddy of post generators is actually under the Giza Plateau,

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<v Speaker 3>deep under the Giza Plateau. So that's what I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>at the time. Uh. And these chefs seem to kind

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<v Speaker 3>of lean towards support for what I had written in

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<v Speaker 3>the in Geezer the Tesla connection, though I was still

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<v Speaker 3>conservative in my in my response, and and I just said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that just the raw data, we'll just look

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<v Speaker 3>at the raw scans, that is sufficient to me to

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<v Speaker 3>warrant further exploration and hopefully you know, be able to

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<v Speaker 3>physically access that site. And and I think now that

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<v Speaker 3>they are there is a movement happening in Egypt where

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to start cleaning out one of the chefs

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<v Speaker 3>on the on the Giza Plateau. And so hopefully you know,

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<v Speaker 3>by the time you and I are there next year, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you in April, May and March, they may have found something.

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<v Speaker 3>But since then, very interesting developments. I got a call

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<v Speaker 3>from you know, my new Safe to day. Have you

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<v Speaker 3>talked to him? Sure on the show. Yeah, yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 3>a great guy. So he calls me up and he said, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I have been working on this, uh the Sarascans,

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<v Speaker 3>and and I think you need to take a closer

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<v Speaker 3>the Giza power plant and the the size of these chefs, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And so he went through it with me, and basically

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<v Speaker 3>what we have is a shaft or a column going

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<v Speaker 3>down deep into the earth. It's about six hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>forty eight meters deep.

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<v Speaker 3>same thing under the Great Pyramid, Kufu's pyramid now and

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<v Speaker 3>I think the same the same depth, the same diameter

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<v Speaker 3>columns exists under that one too. So what okay, So

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<v Speaker 3>what is significant about it? If you if you look

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<v Speaker 3>at the the columns going on going deep into the earth,

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<v Speaker 3>you have a like an organ pipe, okay. And the

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<v Speaker 3>organ pipe has a particular fundamental free andy and that

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<v Speaker 3>fundamental frequency is a harmonic of the frequency of the

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<v Speaker 3>ascending passage in the Great Pyramid. And so those two

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<v Speaker 3>really quickly. But the significance of why it's that deep

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<v Speaker 3>necessarily so much that, yes, the harmonics is one thing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>to have features that are served as a pulse generator

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<v Speaker 3>underneath the pyramids, that kind of supports the whole concept

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<v Speaker 3>of the Geezer power plant. M But the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>they they reached through the sedimentary layer of limestone and

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<v Speaker 3>then into the igneous rock, probably another two hundred meters

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<v Speaker 3>into the igneous rock, which is remarkable, uh remarkable feed

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<v Speaker 3>of engineering for one thing. But you know, when you

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<v Speaker 3>consider what else the ancient Egyptians did, you know, to

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<v Speaker 3>find something like this is mildly surprising when you consider

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<v Speaker 3>what's on top, right, the Great Pyramids, the pyramids themselves,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're used to those, right, It's like there's no

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<v Speaker 3>surprise here. Yeah, they've been there forever and now we've

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<v Speaker 3>got these huge shafts reaching down into the earth. So

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<v Speaker 3>what's so significant about them being embedded in the igneous rock? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>you go back to we go to Freedom and Freund's

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<v Speaker 3>And basically what he proposes that igneous rock, the minerals

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<v Speaker 3>in igneous rock have these peroxy defaults that create positive

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<v Speaker 3>charge carriers that if they're expressed, then those peeholes are

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<v Speaker 3>positive charge carriers will shoot to the surface and they'll

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<v Speaker 3>ionize in the air and create earthquake lights. So essentially

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<v Speaker 3>what he's done is pointing a way to a source

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<v Speaker 3>of electrons right under our feet. And he actually states

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<v Speaker 3>that the Earth is just a huge battery. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a potential battery. All you need to do is

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<v Speaker 3>rest the rock and you've got a source of electricity.

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<v Speaker 3>And the ancient Egyptians and now I'm convinced Egyptian we're

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<v Speaker 3>tapping into that. That that that physics that the Freud described.

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<v Speaker 3>But Freund didn't just speculate, it didn't just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he essentially proved out his theory. And so now you're

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<v Speaker 3>asking the question why are those shafts going so deep,

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<v Speaker 3>because they're actually going where the source of the electricity

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<v Speaker 3>is to stimulate it out of than driving a pulse

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<v Speaker 3>through hundreds of meat is limestone in order for it

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<v Speaker 3>to tickle the granite, so to speak, it will be

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<v Speaker 3>just they don't want to just tickle the granite, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>the the igneous rock. They want to hammer it real hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When you look at the.

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<v Speaker 1>The renderings, though, I mean I think in I see

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<v Speaker 1>two shafts, and there's staircases around the outer perimeter of

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<v Speaker 1>these shafts, And I'm like, is that taking license and

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<v Speaker 1>creating those or do you think they actually have staircases

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<v Speaker 1>that go all the way down to the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>this thing? Because there's two and then there's two big

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<v Speaker 1>rooms at the very bottom. And I you know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a a scan, a star scan, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course it's the it's the operator who's who's rendering this

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<v Speaker 1>in three D according to some pattern. I mean, how

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<v Speaker 1>accurate do you think that is?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I don't know. You see, that's it. I'm all.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm all about getting physical measurements, you know, rather than

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<v Speaker 3>than you know, taking that taking that data from like

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<v Speaker 3>a point cloud. I mean you take a point cloud

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<v Speaker 3>like the point cloud of the the scan Pyramid mission.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether they did the muography, they detected that large void

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<v Speaker 3>above the Grand Gallery, I mean that is very very

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<v Speaker 3>low resolution, very rough. I mean, you couldn't really define

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<v Speaker 3>what kind of shape is there. We just know that

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<v Speaker 3>there is a void there. They can't even tell if

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<v Speaker 3>it's not an angle or not. So you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it does require having physical access to inspect

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<v Speaker 3>it before being sure of what you got. But you

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned the spirals, and I was puzzled by that too,

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<v Speaker 3>And basically I opened up a chat with AI and

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<v Speaker 3>started feeling information into AI. And this is what man

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<v Speaker 3>who was safe today had been doing, right, He had

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<v Speaker 3>opened up a chat with AI and he was inquiring

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<v Speaker 3>a PI all these features and putting them together. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like really confirming the whole relationship between

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<v Speaker 3>what is under the pyramids and the pyramids themselves. So

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<v Speaker 3>I opened up a chat with AI and started to

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<v Speaker 3>inquire about the purpose of spirals and I should qualify

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<v Speaker 3>before I continue on that along that thought I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I was at a conference in Chicago with Filipo, Beyondy

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<v Speaker 3>and and Amanda May and Trevor I see in September.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was actually sitting down with them and talking

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<v Speaker 3>to them and and and actually receiving more information from

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<v Speaker 3>Filipo and examine him more closely his his scans that

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<v Speaker 3>I became convinced that what he had was was correct

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<v Speaker 3>or close correct. I mean, I don't know what you

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<v Speaker 3>would call precise in terms of measurements. If he's within

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<v Speaker 3>an inch, I would say that would be pretty precise.

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<v Speaker 3>But the as far as the spirals go, and what

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<v Speaker 3>I saw, but he showed me uh uh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>became a believer in totally. And and it's it's like

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<v Speaker 3>right now, I can't It's like I can't, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>imagine the I can't imagine the system. I've called him

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<v Speaker 3>this the whole system. It's not just a great pyramid.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Caffres pyramid, Mankarah all the way down to the sphinx.

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<v Speaker 3>That's got one right. But I kind of imagine the

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<v Speaker 3>system functioning without these chefs, without these columns.

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<v Speaker 1>So it proves your theory of energy production. Is what

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<v Speaker 1>you're suggesting is that these gonna I just call them

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<v Speaker 1>introls because that's what they look like to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though there are shafts, it's more like.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're part of this machinery, right that is

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<v Speaker 1>being uh defined in these not only your theories, but

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<v Speaker 1>also in these scans.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have a chance to look at.

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<v Speaker 1>The CUFU scans of twenty twenty two and the three

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<v Speaker 1>three D rendering of all the shafts and rooms, and yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of tuned that one out because it was

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<v Speaker 3>really too good, you know, it's like and too radically

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<v Speaker 3>different from what we knew about. And then also knowing

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<v Speaker 3>that they had the mooography scanning going on before then

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<v Speaker 3>with nothing like that being being detected, that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>raised a bit of a red flag for me. Now

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<v Speaker 3>I am like, I'm not totally against it, but I

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<v Speaker 3>would wait for the proof really before all of that,

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<v Speaker 3>all of that that precise geometry is correct. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>be hard, It be hard to be how to say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>to say that right now? I can't say that right now.

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<v Speaker 3>And similarly, I mean they he's also detected like five

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<v Speaker 3>kings chamber of complexes inside Cafris pyramid, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>another one, the multi a granite beams above it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was surprising to me, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>whoa uh, because you consider that that that information is

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<v Speaker 3>a shock to my system. Yeah, imagine what a shock

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<v Speaker 3>it is to zaihuas well.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't he doesn't acknowledge anything. He just the few

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<v Speaker 1>this is hogwash. I mean that's his I don't know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's his.

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<v Speaker 3>That's his usual go too yeah, and has been forever forever.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know him to be any different. So he

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<v Speaker 3>was that way with the Carbon fourteen, he was that

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<v Speaker 3>way with the Scam Pyramid mission, is that way with

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<v Speaker 3>the sascan.

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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, I think he embarrassed himself on the

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan program when he said he questioned what is

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<v Speaker 1>as a zep teppy? He didn't know what that was,

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't know what go Beckley tepp he was.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think people were shocked that he was. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he forgot or he just wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>part of his vernacular.

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<v Speaker 3>Well know, he knew. I think he knew what go

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<v Speaker 3>Beckley tep he was. I mean I thought that he

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<v Speaker 3>had commented on that way back when it was first discovered.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, well he and I about the same age,

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<v Speaker 3>so I can forgive a certain amount of forgetfulness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing and then we're going to move on one

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<v Speaker 1>thing about the stars technology that I didn't realize, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was shocked. I had a retired special Ops service

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<v Speaker 1>men call and not come. He emailed me and said

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<v Speaker 1>that the service that the military was using these scans

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<v Speaker 1>and had been for decades.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, I mean, and Filipo had been using them

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<v Speaker 3>on various installations around around the world. So yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>in Italy, so that you know, it's not like he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't He was an amateur. He didn't know what he

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<v Speaker 3>was doing. All that the technology had not been qualified.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, we must be under top secret level

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<v Speaker 1>types of usage. You know, no one really knows about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe SARS exposed the military's use.

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<v Speaker 3>Of it, you know, I don't know. Well, it suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>exploded across the planet like a wildfire, didn't it. Totally amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>talk about a fading frenzy.

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<v Speaker 1>two of the most important articles, one dealing with the

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<v Speaker 1>synthetic aperture radar question, and also a couple of others

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<v Speaker 1>having to do with the Ramsey sculpture. Talk real quickly

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<v Speaker 1>about what you think the future holds for the star scan.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see the Antiquities Department spending a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time looking for shafts in new rooms and deep under.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have the technology to start digging, and it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like it they wouldn't allow that to happen. But

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<v Speaker 1>what do you what do you think the future holds

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<v Speaker 1>for the analysis that the stars scans presents.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Yeah, I think it's going to take a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>That you know, because I think you have you have

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<v Speaker 3>the technology, the science, and then you have the politics

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<v Speaker 3>and so you know, sometimes dealing with the science and

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<v Speaker 3>the and the math is the easiest part. But they

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<v Speaker 3>but the politics is a little more tender and sensitive.

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<v Speaker 3>So I would say that over time, I mean, there

419
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:10.280
<v Speaker 3>are young, younger Egyptologists coming up. There are young engineers

420
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:17.400
<v Speaker 3>who are now studying the the antiquities with the same

421
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of perspective that you and I have on them.

422
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:26.519
<v Speaker 3>And uh and you know, I mean our friend Muhammad

423
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:30.719
<v Speaker 3>has been carrying the torch now for quite a few

424
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 3>years and does a great job. Yeah. Oh, you know,

425
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:40.320
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like, yeah, there's a a ground swell

426
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:43.599
<v Speaker 3>of interest in Egypt and throughout the Arabic world on

427
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:47.679
<v Speaker 3>the on the heritage of that of that area of

428
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:51.639
<v Speaker 3>the world, because they're now waking up to the fact

429
00:34:51.719 --> 00:35:00.440
<v Speaker 3>that their history needs to be rewritten. Yeah, not by

430
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.280
<v Speaker 3>Westerners this time. Yeah.

431
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<v Speaker 1>So you're you're probably have prophesied correctly, Chris when you're

432
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<v Speaker 1>saying that it's probably going to be fifty or a

433
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.079
<v Speaker 1>couple of generations away from really digging in deep and

434
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.840
<v Speaker 1>getting the permissions, which is what has to happen to

435
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 1>dig underneath the Giza plateau.

436
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, it's not going to be in my lifetime.

437
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:32.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't think the you know, the when I look

438
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:34.800
<v Speaker 3>when I look at it, Yeah, I look at it

439
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:40.599
<v Speaker 3>from a kind of like a ten thousand foot view.

440
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:46.199
<v Speaker 3>It's I came along and published Advanced Machining in Ancient

441
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:54.519
<v Speaker 3>Egypt one hundred years after William Flynno's Petrie published and

442
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:55.639
<v Speaker 3>Temples of Visa.

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<v Speaker 2>That's hope. It's not going to be one hundred years.

444
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 3>God, so it could be one hundred years, my friend.

445
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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't want to hear that. I'm hoping that we.

446
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, I think that you know, the cats

447
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:18.199
<v Speaker 3>Flinders Peachey was definitely constrained in his writing. I mean

448
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:23.039
<v Speaker 3>for obvious reasons. I mean, the the culture at that time,

449
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:27.800
<v Speaker 3>and it wouldn't have allowed him to have the same

450
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:32.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of freedom that I have had to you know,

451
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 3>publish my thoughts. Right. In fact, you know, the Geezer

452
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 3>Power Planet barely got published. If it wasn't for Barbara

453
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 3>han Klow, who were believed in it, they wouldn't have

454
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:48.360
<v Speaker 3>been published because her everybody at Baron Company were going,

455
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:51.000
<v Speaker 3>you've got to be crazy published book.

456
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad that she did.

457
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

458
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.519
<v Speaker 1>I interviewed a each of timelogists about two years ago.

459
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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Karacuney. She is a professor at UCLA

460
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>down southern California. She wrote a book called Recycling for Dead,

461
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.920
<v Speaker 1>And what was as absolutely fascinating about this book is

462
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:20.960
<v Speaker 1>that Egyptologists have begun to understand that recycling and repurposing

463
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and reusing temples, death masks, entire burial sites. It was

464
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the norm during the Faronic period, Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom,

465
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Late Kingdom. And one of the things that I didn't

466
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:46.039
<v Speaker 1>realize is that they also understood that Ramses the Second,

467
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<v Speaker 1>who was known as the Great Usurper, who was constantly

468
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:54.840
<v Speaker 1>reusing things, wasn't the only one who was reusing pyramids

469
00:37:54.880 --> 00:38:06.559
<v Speaker 1>and statuary and other items for their dynasties. And the

470
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:11.039
<v Speaker 1>point I'm trying to make here is that these guys,

471
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<v Speaker 1>I'm really beginning to think and want your opinion about that,

472
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:18.840
<v Speaker 1>that they weren't so great. After all, they didn't have

473
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:23.599
<v Speaker 1>the brilliant engineers and scientists and whatever they inherited it

474
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>a great deal of it. We'll talk about the statuary

475
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:31.159
<v Speaker 1>in a minute, but I'm curious, after you've written your books,

476
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:34.800
<v Speaker 1>do we have a better sense of the pre dynastic people.

477
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Do we have a better sense of I mean, you

478
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:41.639
<v Speaker 1>show us how brilliant they were in constructing the pyramids

479
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:46.800
<v Speaker 1>and making them generators. But have you come any closer

480
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.679
<v Speaker 1>to an understanding of just who these people were. We

481
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:57.119
<v Speaker 1>know that their science base is on earth energies, but

482
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:02.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, these guys are completely unique. They're nothing close

483
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.199
<v Speaker 1>to who we are today or who the pharaohs in

484
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.039
<v Speaker 1>the Furonic period was.

485
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<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, yeah, I that's hard to say. I mean,

486
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:19.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, when you look back sixty seventy years and

487
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:23.679
<v Speaker 3>you see the culture and the way it was functioning.

488
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:30.360
<v Speaker 3>Then if you had presented them with a view into

489
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.840
<v Speaker 3>the future where we're living and how we're operating, what

490
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.840
<v Speaker 3>we look like and yeah, walking around with our cell

491
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:43.599
<v Speaker 3>phones and they it will be foreign to them, right,

492
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:49.679
<v Speaker 3>Who are these people? Who are they? Who are these people?

493
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.400
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I'm looking back, you know, into the forties

494
00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 3>and fifties, it's totally different culture. But to your point,

495
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:09.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm I've always been pretty much on solid ground in

496
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 3>terms of uh, my thinking gone, who these people were?

497
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:26.440
<v Speaker 3>And well, it's hard to know what any individual is thinking,

498
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 3>what their belief systems are, or you know, what they

499
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:34.039
<v Speaker 3>carrying around in their head most of the day. Though

500
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:38.280
<v Speaker 3>these days, sadly we find out what was on their

501
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:42.559
<v Speaker 3>minds if we log into X or Facebook. But that's

502
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:49.840
<v Speaker 3>another matter, right, But the but the the issue for

503
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:53.599
<v Speaker 3>me is not necessarily you know, what their religion was

504
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:57.760
<v Speaker 3>or what they they believed in, but about the afterlife.

505
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 3>But there's one aspect of the thinking is is very

506
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:06.639
<v Speaker 3>very clear. They were thinking like engineers and they are

507
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:16.280
<v Speaker 3>working within with three dimensional materials, shaping them with the

508
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:19.960
<v Speaker 3>HUT to a high level of precision, and that requires

509
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:26.280
<v Speaker 3>certain skills and tools in order to accomplish that. So

510
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:33.599
<v Speaker 3>at least we know that it's unambiguous, regardless of what

511
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 3>an archaeologist might tell you, it's unambiguous the fact that

512
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:45.599
<v Speaker 3>they had access to sophisticated machinery. And you know, the

513
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:52.320
<v Speaker 3>question is to what level if we compare our machines

514
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 3>today to the machines that were I was operating sixty

515
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:02.400
<v Speaker 3>years ago, then there's a big difference, you know, because

516
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:07.719
<v Speaker 3>of the advances in computer science and computer numerical control

517
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:13.119
<v Speaker 3>machines and stuff like that. We didn't have anything back then.

518
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:20.400
<v Speaker 3>So I know today that's very popular to say, well,

519
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:27.000
<v Speaker 3>you know it, take for instance, the bases, the pre

520
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 3>dynastic bases that show this remarkable accuracy and precision and

521
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 3>geometry they have you have modern machinist too. It was

522
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:45.639
<v Speaker 3>only concept of doing any of any work similar to

523
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:51.800
<v Speaker 3>that would be a CNC machine. And so you'll you'll

524
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.559
<v Speaker 3>read people who are arguing, no, it had to be CNC,

525
00:42:54.760 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 3>you couldn't do that manually. But I was a manual

526
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.079
<v Speaker 3>machinists for many years. In fact, I was a journeyman

527
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:10.800
<v Speaker 3>later and I can and I made parts that you know,

528
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.679
<v Speaker 3>you would run on a machine CNC machine today. But

529
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:18.280
<v Speaker 3>back when I was working in the shops, it was

530
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:24.440
<v Speaker 3>like we used three dimensional profiling equipment that worked tough

531
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:29.480
<v Speaker 3>of models or templates and those were Keller machines and

532
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:36.280
<v Speaker 3>UH true trace hydraulic tracing equipment and even manual tracing equipment.

533
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 3>So as far as the culture in terms of UH

534
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 3>what else, what what did these engineers do when they

535
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 3>went home right after they had what? What did? What?

536
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:01.320
<v Speaker 3>What did they have access to? Uh? And we can

537
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 3>only leave that to our to our imagination, because I

538
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:10.119
<v Speaker 3>think most of the most of the material gods that

539
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:15.000
<v Speaker 3>have not survived over the millennia, and you know we

540
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 3>are talking millennium going back thousands and thousands of years,

541
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:27.639
<v Speaker 3>and so archaeologists are now studying the remains of more

542
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.880
<v Speaker 3>recent settlements, I think, and.

543
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<v Speaker 1>Which is kind of boring if you ask me, It's

544
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.199
<v Speaker 1>like digging up wooden coffins.

545
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<v Speaker 2>Is this is big?

546
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<v Speaker 1>This is Aahi Hawas's big claim of famous publishing Sakara

547
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:47.519
<v Speaker 1>coffin and the wood paintings are so boring to me.

548
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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I could not I could not be

549
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:57.800
<v Speaker 3>an archaeologist. You know, I don't have I don't have

550
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:07.199
<v Speaker 3>the patience to do the the and so and it's

551
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:14.480
<v Speaker 3>is it's not as uh, it's ambiguous, and I think,

552
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:18.519
<v Speaker 3>and it's open to interpretation. In fact, I was reading

553
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:27.039
<v Speaker 3>an article about the Pompeii and the the analysis of

554
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:34.039
<v Speaker 3>Pompeii and the you know, the the plaster forms where

555
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.199
<v Speaker 3>they went in and they filled these cavities and then

556
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.599
<v Speaker 3>relieve them, and they shows.

557
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<v Speaker 1>How the people, oh, how the people died during the earthquake,

558
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:45.280
<v Speaker 1>the volcanic eruption.

559
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:50.239
<v Speaker 3>Of volcanic eruption right right, And I found it fascinating.

560
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:57.920
<v Speaker 3>And that the the narrator was talking about how introducing

561
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:08.800
<v Speaker 3>how using AI to interpret the evidence, we uh revealed

562
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:15.519
<v Speaker 3>the more accurate result because they didn't have that human

563
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:20.719
<v Speaker 3>kind of prejudice or you know somebody who is a

564
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:24.079
<v Speaker 3>good point I'd been taught one way and is they're

565
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:28.519
<v Speaker 3>going to interpret something along those lines, and it's a

566
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:33.840
<v Speaker 3>little more nuanced. And AI is looking at a wider database,

567
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 3>is pulling things in and crunching numbers and coming up

568
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:43.480
<v Speaker 3>with a more accurate picture. And so you know, I

569
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:47.960
<v Speaker 3>think with the use of AI like that such as

570
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think POMPEII is a is a prime

571
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.400
<v Speaker 3>is a prime example of where it would be beneficial.

572
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:00.239
<v Speaker 3>So I'm the two people I know are three well

573
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:03.880
<v Speaker 3>I know who using Well, for now, we've got Philippo Beyonder,

574
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:08.199
<v Speaker 3>he's using AI. My news say today he is using AI.

575
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm using it a little bit. And there's a guy

576
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Austin Moore who is an engineer in Detroit who has

577
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:25.039
<v Speaker 3>created a paper because he was querying the functionality of

578
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:32.559
<v Speaker 3>the Geezer power plant using AI and and so yeah,

579
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:36.039
<v Speaker 3>it does. It does kind of take the the emotions

580
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:40.599
<v Speaker 3>out of it and the prejudices out of it. So

581
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, I think you were shocked when I mentioned

582
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<v Speaker 3>one hundred years into the future, you know, one hundred

583
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.280
<v Speaker 3>years since Petrie and now we're going to go one

584
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<v Speaker 3>hundred years. Uh, the way things are, the way things

585
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.440
<v Speaker 3>are going right now, I think it's going to be

586
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 3>a a lot faster than that. Yeah, I know things

587
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.239
<v Speaker 3>are changing so fast, so I can't keep up.

588
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know.

589
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:11.320
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because one of the reasons I wanted to

590
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:15.920
<v Speaker 1>talk to you about the previous civilization, the pre Dynastics

591
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.679
<v Speaker 1>or pre Egyptians. I don't know if we can even

592
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:24.039
<v Speaker 1>call them Egyptians. It's in Egypt. But if these early

593
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.760
<v Speaker 1>people came from another part of the world, who knows

594
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 1>what we call them. But when I was in Memphis, Egypt,

595
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:38.880
<v Speaker 1>two years ago, Muhammad took us to an outdoor museum

596
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:45.400
<v Speaker 1>that had this Ramses sculpture laying on its back, and

597
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:51.119
<v Speaker 1>it was thirty five almost I think forty feet tall.

598
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:58.559
<v Speaker 1>It had been found previously half buried, but it was

599
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:03.840
<v Speaker 1>such a work of alliance, Chris, and from my eye,

600
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<v Speaker 1>there's no way in hell it was carved by hand.

601
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<v Speaker 1>And in your book on Lost Technologies, you describe how

602
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<v Speaker 1>to determine hand and this is what I want to

603
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:24.199
<v Speaker 1>get to hand carved versus machine carved sculpture sculptures. This

604
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:29.880
<v Speaker 1>thing not only was elegantly carved, it was beautiful, but

605
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<v Speaker 1>it was not carved by And I'm an artist, I'm

606
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.000
<v Speaker 1>training the illustrator, and I could tell there wasn't anything

607
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 1>that was hand a human touch, a chisel or perhaps

608
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.280
<v Speaker 1>some kind of electric chisel. But what makes it fascinating

609
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:50.320
<v Speaker 1>and why there's so much confusion on these Ramseys sculptures

610
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.199
<v Speaker 1>is that the guy sticks his cartoonshe on it, puts

611
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:57.559
<v Speaker 1>his signature on it, and the Egyptologists, not looking at

612
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.800
<v Speaker 1>the actual form of the sculpture, they accept the fact

613
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:04.559
<v Speaker 1>or they think it's a fact that this was carved

614
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<v Speaker 1>during Ramsey's period. Talk a little bit about why precision

615
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:15.599
<v Speaker 1>sculptural work is machined over hand carved.

616
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<v Speaker 3>You actually you started right at the genesis of my

617
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<v Speaker 3>my work on the Ramsey statue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me get stop you real quickly. Talk about you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're at the Ramsey Ramsey in looks or

620
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<v Speaker 1>when you saw that one Ramsey's head and that was

621
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<v Speaker 1>kind of like something something's off here. You're you're kind

622
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<v Speaker 1>of going, something's off here. I gotta look a little closer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, it was actually in the first time I

624
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:57.599
<v Speaker 3>went to Egypt and I went to the the Memphis, right, Yeah,

625
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<v Speaker 3>and so I was an interest that in temples or

626
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<v Speaker 3>statues or anything like that. I was, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>was just interested in mechanical engineering stuff, right. But I

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<v Speaker 3>was looking down the length of this statue that you're

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<v Speaker 3>referring to, and indeed, it's a beautifully carved statue, gorgeous statue.

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<v Speaker 3>And the one thing that I noticed that struck me

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<v Speaker 3>was the symmetry. Right away, I know symmetry, and that

632
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<v Speaker 3>is the It was the nostrils. They seem to be perfect.

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00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.199
<v Speaker 3>I was like, no, no normal person has, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>identical nostrils, right, yeah, So that was that's what I

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<v Speaker 3>first noticed, and I put that in my memory banks

636
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:52.480
<v Speaker 3>and just moved on. Right, that was nice. But then

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<v Speaker 3>to your point, actually trying to determine whether something it

638
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<v Speaker 3>has been machined or been hand tooled. For me, it

639
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:16.320
<v Speaker 3>is about geometry and precision. And so when you consider that,

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<v Speaker 3>there are different ways to create a three dimensional object,

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you're a sculptor, you would you may draw

642
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<v Speaker 3>an outline on a piece of rock and then start

643
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<v Speaker 3>chiseling away until you reach your final form. And then

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if you want to create some symmetry, you

645
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<v Speaker 3>may use a pointer from one side to another, but

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00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:52.360
<v Speaker 3>to within what accuracy? That is the question, what precision?

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<v Speaker 3>And so when my first attempt at determining symmetry and

648
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<v Speaker 3>precision in Egypt was not on the statue, not on

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<v Speaker 3>the face of the statue, but on the crowns and

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<v Speaker 3>the white crown of per Egypt, which is like a

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<v Speaker 3>it's like an ellipsoid shape.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the headge yet they called the hedge yet?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the head yet, right, and it kind of leans

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<v Speaker 3>back like a bowling pin. It's got a top knot

655
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:37.559
<v Speaker 3>on it, but it's like like a beautifully curved ellipse right, right,

656
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:43.360
<v Speaker 3>And so they were when I first went to the

657
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Luxo Tempo was in two thousand and four, and I

658
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<v Speaker 3>was noticing these these white crowns at the feet of

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<v Speaker 3>the Ramseys statues, the standing the walking statues in the

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<v Speaker 3>in the Ramses, and everybody was off chatting about the

661
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:08.760
<v Speaker 3>hieroglyphs on the wall and the reliefs on the wall,

662
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.519
<v Speaker 3>and I was running my hands over the surface of

663
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:18.159
<v Speaker 3>this granite that is like, wow, that's that's smooth. No, no,

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<v Speaker 3>no wrinkles, no, yeah, like that's really fine workmanship. And

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<v Speaker 3>that stayed with me until two thousand and six, and

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<v Speaker 3>I went over in February of two thousand and six

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<v Speaker 3>with John Anthony West and so we were in the

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00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:45.679
<v Speaker 3>again in the Ramsys Hall, and he's talking about swallowedy

669
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<v Speaker 3>lupics and I wanted to learn about shwallowed dalubics.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>But then my attention was drawn back to the Crowns

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<v Speaker 3>and I had I had a digital camera with me

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<v Speaker 3>that time, so the photographs and what I I had

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<v Speaker 3>my computer too, with my graphics software, I was capable

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00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:09.519
<v Speaker 3>of manipulating, you know, the images so that I could

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<v Speaker 3>compare one side to the other to see if they

677
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:18.599
<v Speaker 3>were symmetrical. And so that was the first time that

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<v Speaker 3>I actually did the reverse transparency comparison right and came

679
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.519
<v Speaker 3>up with just like a perfect match on the Crowns.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was just and that All those are

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<v Speaker 3>in my book and on my website. If people want

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<v Speaker 3>to go to my website, look up some look at

683
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:44.920
<v Speaker 3>the photographs I have up there. So the that was

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<v Speaker 3>the start. It's kind of like, you know, like you're

685
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<v Speaker 3>peeling off you're peeling off layers of an onion. You go,

686
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.679
<v Speaker 3>you go down one layer, and then you know it's

687
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:57.159
<v Speaker 3>kind of like, well, Okay, I've done this, so I

688
00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:00.360
<v Speaker 3>wonder what's going to happen if I do this? And

689
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:08.719
<v Speaker 3>so after after photographing the crowns, then I was like, well, okay,

690
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:12.480
<v Speaker 3>odds against odds, I've got to do you the face,

691
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:14.960
<v Speaker 3>I've got to do the heads right. And so they

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<v Speaker 3>had this bust of Gramses out front next to the

693
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<v Speaker 3>the obelis and unfortunately they mounted that bust on top

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<v Speaker 3>of a body. Now it's a part of the standing

695
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:29.400
<v Speaker 3>statue nearby.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're lucky to see it down at the eye

697
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:33.360
<v Speaker 1>level too, weren't.

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<v Speaker 3>You right right? Yeah, he was right there in front

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<v Speaker 3>of me. I mean, you know you could go out

700
00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:45.039
<v Speaker 3>and touch it, and you did. But anyway, so I

701
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:52.639
<v Speaker 3>took a couple of photographs of there and took that

702
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:59.440
<v Speaker 3>in my into my laptop and I'm going, wow, Okay.

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00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:05.320
<v Speaker 3>So I had a situation where I could line up

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00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:09.199
<v Speaker 3>the jaw line. So you've got to remember, now you've

705
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:13.519
<v Speaker 3>got this is I'm looking at a two D image

706
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<v Speaker 3>of a three dimensional object, right, and so the jaw

707
00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:23.559
<v Speaker 3>line is coming down, it's moving in three dimensions, and

708
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:28.039
<v Speaker 3>it's showing that it matches from both sides, right, And

709
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:32.679
<v Speaker 3>I would going Okay, that's remarkable. Now to what accuracy

710
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:35.639
<v Speaker 3>that is another question, you know, is it within ten

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00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 3>thousands of an inch? Five thousands? I don't know. But

712
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.760
<v Speaker 3>then there was another aspect to another feature, which was

713
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:49.679
<v Speaker 3>the nose, and the nose was slightly off center, so

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00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:53.559
<v Speaker 3>you know, you had to My camera was evidently just

715
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:57.639
<v Speaker 3>rotated just a little bit so that I didn't get

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00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:04.599
<v Speaker 3>the nose directly centered between the jaw, and so I

717
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:07.159
<v Speaker 3>did more of it than you know, when you're on tour,

718
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.559
<v Speaker 3>as you know, you're in and you're off, and then

719
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<v Speaker 3>you're on the bus or you're on the plane or

720
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:18.000
<v Speaker 3>you're going somewhere, right, and it's all great fun. But

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<v Speaker 3>the uh, but the uh. But the real work came

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00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:29.480
<v Speaker 3>when I got home and I started examining those photographs

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00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:33.800
<v Speaker 3>at home at my leisure and doing a deep dive

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00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:41.199
<v Speaker 3>on them, and and then I was like, crap, I've

725
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:42.440
<v Speaker 3>got to go back to Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

727
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<v Speaker 1>our sponsors to identify themselves, and will return shortly with

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00:58:54.119 --> 00:59:00.000
<v Speaker 1>my guest today, Chris Dunn, discussing machining in ancient Egypt.

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<v Speaker 2>Will be right.

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<v Speaker 1>Back, Okay, I guess today is Christan. He has written

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<v Speaker 1>a number of books, most notably Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're discussing a number of topics having to do

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<v Speaker 1>with what look to be machine cuts in statuary. So

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<v Speaker 1>you got into it so heavy that you needed to

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01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:13.519
<v Speaker 1>have confirmation of your theories.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I mean I had to have I understand. I

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<v Speaker 3>need to go back. I need to have a good

738
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<v Speaker 3>a good tripod. I need to be able to photograph things.

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<v Speaker 3>And and so I went to my boss and I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I need to go back to Egypt. And he's like,

741
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<v Speaker 3>why you just got back? Why are you going back there?

742
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:41.360
<v Speaker 3>I left something there? Well do you leave. I'll I'll

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01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:45.039
<v Speaker 3>bring my laptop in tomorrow and i'll show you. So

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01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.199
<v Speaker 3>the next day I brought my laptop in and I

745
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:53.679
<v Speaker 3>was showing him the what I had, you know, the

746
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:57.119
<v Speaker 3>not quite perfect image of Ramses and what I was

747
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.920
<v Speaker 3>how I was analyzing it. And he his eyes open

748
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:08.079
<v Speaker 3>and he goes, oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, okay,

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01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:10.840
<v Speaker 3>I get it all right. So but you put him

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<v Speaker 3>for your time. And then the following day he comes

751
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:17.599
<v Speaker 3>in there you going alone, He said, this is jud Pack.

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<v Speaker 3>He was the CEO of the company that you're going

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01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:25.280
<v Speaker 3>over there alone. I said, yeah, I was planning on it. Well,

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01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:28.360
<v Speaker 3>can I carry your tripod?

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<v Speaker 2>You never told me your boss went with you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Oh yeah, I didn't know that.

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01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So he was the CEO of Damvill Metal Stamping

758
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:49.400
<v Speaker 3>and still is. So is like really keen on going

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01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 3>over and actually being a part of it. And so

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<v Speaker 3>we went went back in May and I spent like

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01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:04.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, six hours inside Luxe Temple, uh, and

762
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:10.079
<v Speaker 3>multiple a couple of days in the in the Dender

763
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:16.599
<v Speaker 3>Temple because that's another amazing, amazing place. But the work

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<v Speaker 3>in the uh, the Luxe Temple uh was I think

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01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:29.199
<v Speaker 3>very significant, and and I think, like you said, I

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01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:35.719
<v Speaker 3>don't think it has been given enough attention. Uh. That

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<v Speaker 3>may be because of uh, some misinformation that has been

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<v Speaker 3>put out because you've got you've got my book, and

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<v Speaker 3>you've got the information from my book. Most of the

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01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:56.599
<v Speaker 3>knowledge of the symmetry of Ramsay's that that has been

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01:02:56.880 --> 01:03:02.559
<v Speaker 3>presented by other people on on the internet, on YouTube

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01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:07.960
<v Speaker 3>videos and and so, and they don't have the full

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01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:14.440
<v Speaker 3>and including myself, without accessing the source material and knowing

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01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:19.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, the methods and the observations of the the

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<v Speaker 3>author of the you know, the the person who has

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<v Speaker 3>made this discovery, then you may come to the wrong conclusion.

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<v Speaker 3>And and so that wrong conclusion was that I had lied.

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<v Speaker 3>I was dishonest in not in not pointing out the

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01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:49.800
<v Speaker 3>lack of symmetry in parts of the statue. And so

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<v Speaker 3>it was kind of like, uh, wait a minute, I did.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in my book. And so, you know, but the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when somebody you get these people who for

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<v Speaker 3>some reason, there have been a few out there that

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01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:13.239
<v Speaker 3>are really taken or dislike to me and my work

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01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:17.800
<v Speaker 3>and have been actively work talking against it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well they must be threatened, though, Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>They must be.

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<v Speaker 1>Threatened by your clarity that there was an advanced science

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<v Speaker 1>behind the cutting of these statues. Because if we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the Ramsey two at Memphis, that eighty two ton

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01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:41.440
<v Speaker 1>statue was cut out of a block that was probably

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty or two hundred ton, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was done with such level of precision that no one

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<v Speaker 1>pays attention to it. They just think it's a beautiful statue,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not looking closer. Talk about the precision aspect

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<v Speaker 1>and why that is so important. And if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to give the z to head that you saw it

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01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:05.559
<v Speaker 1>looks for as an example, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Well, the essentially, you know, from my background in manufacturing,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm fully familiar with three dimensional machining of products such

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<v Speaker 3>as you know, parts for car bodies or you know

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<v Speaker 3>airplane parts are and aircraft engine where you are machining

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<v Speaker 3>dyes over which metal will be stretched and formed and

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that, and so those dyes have to be

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<v Speaker 3>precise when you have a when you have a dye

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<v Speaker 3>that has symmetrical parts to it, you have programmed just

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<v Speaker 3>one half and then mirror it to create the other

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<v Speaker 3>half and then which was together to give you complete

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<v Speaker 3>complete shape. And so all of this was in my

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<v Speaker 3>background in terms of how I look at product. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you consider that I was looking at the Ramsey

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<v Speaker 3>statue as a product. And so it's just like you're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the vases that are precise to within two

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of an inch, or you're looking at the boxes

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<v Speaker 3>in the serapium and the surfaces that are flat with

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<v Speaker 3>you know, some parts of the boxes not so flat,

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<v Speaker 3>but the majority of the surfaces are are very flat

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<v Speaker 3>and uh and square. And so you have all of

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<v Speaker 3>these products different products, right, that are displaying that underlying

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<v Speaker 3>knowledge and and craftsmanship, and it's being applied in different ways. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a fluke, it's not a one off. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not a coincidence, which you know, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>would like to say, oh, well, you know, they just

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<v Speaker 3>got lucky. No such thing as luck here. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>this is this is a tightly controlled discipline. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>our manufactured items are tightly controlled. We have standards that

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<v Speaker 3>we have to hold, and we have a measurement system

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<v Speaker 3>that we use, and so it's obvious in their artifacts

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<v Speaker 3>that they had to have had the same thing. So

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<v Speaker 3>when when I look at when I think of decision

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<v Speaker 3>for me, it's the photographs are basically a bell. I'm right, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ringing the bell here. This needs to receive a

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<v Speaker 3>little more attention in terms of basically it appears to

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<v Speaker 3>be very symmetrical and very precise. So the next step

835
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<v Speaker 3>would be to give it some metrilogical inspection using a

836
01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:41.880
<v Speaker 3>state of the art tools like laser scanners and CMM

837
01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:46.760
<v Speaker 3>kind of machines, you know, things like that, and then

838
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:50.840
<v Speaker 3>to do to do some analysis in the computer. The

839
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:54.600
<v Speaker 3>same thing I did, except in three three D software

840
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:58.640
<v Speaker 3>which will reveal not just the outline of the jaw,

841
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:03.319
<v Speaker 3>but the whole surface of the cheeks and you know,

842
01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:08.640
<v Speaker 3>the face, and then compare one side to the next

843
01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:13.199
<v Speaker 3>to see how much variation you get between the two.

844
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:18.279
<v Speaker 3>That's when you would say, Okay, yeah, this had to

845
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:23.319
<v Speaker 3>have been machined, because the human hand is not capable

846
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:27.079
<v Speaker 3>of holding that kind of precision, such as like the

847
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:31.840
<v Speaker 3>pre dynastic vases. You can't make one of those by

848
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:34.600
<v Speaker 3>hand and achieve the same kind of precision. It's just

849
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:42.560
<v Speaker 3>impossible to do. Oh anyway, that's not basically it. And

850
01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.439
<v Speaker 3>we're I don't know if we're in stage one, two

851
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:50.439
<v Speaker 3>or three right now. We're in. The book has been

852
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:53.880
<v Speaker 3>out since twenty ten, it's now twenty twenty five, so

853
01:09:54.039 --> 01:10:00.119
<v Speaker 3>fifteen years, and it's it is getting more attention, and

854
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:04.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, a lot of the controversies are dropping away.

855
01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:08.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to respond to the critics in a way

856
01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:11.880
<v Speaker 3>that I'm not arguing with them or arguing past them

857
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:15.039
<v Speaker 3>on the internet, you know, But to publish something that

858
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:22.199
<v Speaker 3>is a reasonable person could understand. Yeah, And you know

859
01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:27.680
<v Speaker 3>the other part is that I'm a serious researcher and

860
01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:31.000
<v Speaker 3>I have written a book and when you tell somebody

861
01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:36.199
<v Speaker 3>that there is a more detailed response to your questions

862
01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:40.079
<v Speaker 3>in my book, it seems they get upset because you

863
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:43.760
<v Speaker 3>are telling them read my book. You know. It's kind

864
01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:48.439
<v Speaker 3>of like all the criticism the Haas received of Joe

865
01:10:48.600 --> 01:10:50.479
<v Speaker 3>Rogan when he says it's in my book.

866
01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:53.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, totally weird.

867
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:55.399
<v Speaker 3>It's in my book. So that seems to be a

868
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:59.399
<v Speaker 3>negative these days for people who don't like to read

869
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:04.600
<v Speaker 3>books to get their information on YouTube.

870
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:09.199
<v Speaker 1>So at this point, after years of the book's been

871
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:11.439
<v Speaker 1>out and you've had a chance to sit and maybe

872
01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:15.319
<v Speaker 1>ruminate on this whole thing, do you think that they

873
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:21.520
<v Speaker 1>had something like a software application that had a that

874
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:24.079
<v Speaker 1>was cut, what was attached to some kind of cutting

875
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:29.279
<v Speaker 1>device that would create such perfection do we have Do

876
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:32.760
<v Speaker 1>you have any sense that you could grasp onto without

877
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean it's all obviously, it's all theory.

878
01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:39.159
<v Speaker 1>But when you look at these Ramsey two faces that

879
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:47.159
<v Speaker 1>are so perfectly cut and with such symmetry and such elegance,

880
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:53.199
<v Speaker 1>there's a human there's a human element to it. But

881
01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:56.000
<v Speaker 1>then when you look at the actual cutting, there's no

882
01:11:56.119 --> 01:11:59.880
<v Speaker 1>human hands involved. It's all some kind of machine.

883
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:07.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean if I was to say

884
01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:12.279
<v Speaker 3>how far by, how far backwards would we go in

885
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, in our civilization or development of technology. If

886
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:26.319
<v Speaker 3>you start out back in the the Industrial Revolution in

887
01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:32.119
<v Speaker 3>the eighteen hundred seventeen hundreds, we didn't have the capability

888
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:38.720
<v Speaker 3>to make those statues. Yeah, you know. And so then

889
01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:50.000
<v Speaker 3>moving forward with the combination of mechanical templates models to

890
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:58.479
<v Speaker 3>trace from, does that bring it into range? I don't know.

891
01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:02.880
<v Speaker 3>I think even if what what you had was, uh,

892
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:06.800
<v Speaker 3>it was just mechanical machines, I don't think you I

893
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:11.159
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't attempt it, you know. Yeah, And so we are

894
01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:17.279
<v Speaker 3>moving forward to an era where uh the guidance of

895
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:26.239
<v Speaker 3>machine tools is uh programmed into the machine rather than

896
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.279
<v Speaker 3>uh so that a human has no kind of interaction

897
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:35.840
<v Speaker 3>except just to set it up and style it, start

898
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:37.319
<v Speaker 3>the machine, let it run.

899
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you have any sense of that, though, Chris? Do

900
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:43.960
<v Speaker 1>you think that when I look at this Ramsey head

901
01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and the beauty and the and the precision of the

902
01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:50.159
<v Speaker 1>nostrils and the eye and the ear and the mouth,

903
01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:52.039
<v Speaker 1>and you talk a lot about the mouth and your book,

904
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:56.640
<v Speaker 1>is it like somebody said, Okay, here's a block of granite,

905
01:13:57.239 --> 01:14:00.479
<v Speaker 1>red granite. I'm gonna set up, I'm gonna place it

906
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:02.840
<v Speaker 1>in this machine. I'm going to press a button, and

907
01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:05.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to see it until it's done. Is

908
01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:07.399
<v Speaker 1>that Is that the sense you get out of that?

909
01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Really? That's that's pretty amazing. Then.

910
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:20.199
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, I think years ago you use the

911
01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:23.239
<v Speaker 1>term like garden variety sculpture. It's like it's made for

912
01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:27.239
<v Speaker 1>the garden. You know, there's no human element in there

913
01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:28.079
<v Speaker 1>at all, except.

914
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know the Ramseys. Though if you look at

915
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:35.439
<v Speaker 3>the Ramsey's face, it's consistent. Uh, you recognize our face

916
01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:39.399
<v Speaker 3>for wherever you see it, and it has the same characteristic.

917
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:44.880
<v Speaker 3>So you know, it's kind of like they had they

918
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:48.439
<v Speaker 3>had a template or some kind of template, whether it

919
01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:54.079
<v Speaker 3>was a physical template or electronic template. Uh. But they

920
01:14:54.159 --> 01:15:00.640
<v Speaker 3>were basically replicating that same shape over and over again

921
01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:08.880
<v Speaker 3>because you know that they have already had the program

922
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:12.920
<v Speaker 3>and anybody could run it. Right. Yeah, But now now

923
01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:16.920
<v Speaker 3>that you see that, think of it this way though,

924
01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:19.560
<v Speaker 3>Think of it this way. These are the these are

925
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:23.000
<v Speaker 3>the people that built the pyramids and dug them holes

926
01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:25.439
<v Speaker 3>deep into the earth, right, I mean, they were doing

927
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:27.760
<v Speaker 3>some pretty amazing ship back then.

928
01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Exactly right.

929
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:32.600
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like we we are, we are, we

930
01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:35.800
<v Speaker 3>are living with all of these modern mudd and things

931
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.600
<v Speaker 3>all around us and looking into the past, and we're

932
01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:46.319
<v Speaker 3>seeing a civilization that already determined that coal wasn't the answer,

933
01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:50.159
<v Speaker 3>that they were going to grab the electrons from under

934
01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:51.039
<v Speaker 3>their feet.

935
01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Way ahead of us, ahead of us, right. Yeah, but

936
01:15:56.920 --> 01:16:00.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, it even makes less sense that Ramsey would

937
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:04.000
<v Speaker 1>put his cartoush on anything that looks like that. We

938
01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:08.720
<v Speaker 1>now define that that look that face that lips the

939
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:11.880
<v Speaker 1>nose of the ears, the eyes of the sculpture that

940
01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:15.640
<v Speaker 1>we claim as Ramses. The second it could be the

941
01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Predynastics version of man. This represents man and and the

942
01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Egyptologists not having anything to go on, and Ramsey is

943
01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:30.920
<v Speaker 1>cartoush on everything. They claim that this is Ramses. It's

944
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:32.039
<v Speaker 1>not Ramses, is it?

945
01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:37.960
<v Speaker 3>No? I don't think so. I mean, they definitely did

946
01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:43.319
<v Speaker 3>did some work, did some adjustments to the face. They

947
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:48.600
<v Speaker 3>exaggerated the smile, all right. So the yeah, the mouth

948
01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:52.880
<v Speaker 3>is uptowned like this, right. The reason for that is

949
01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:58.359
<v Speaker 3>because this statue is what twenty feet tall looking down? Yes,

950
01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:02.520
<v Speaker 3>and if the normal mouth you know, which is basically

951
01:17:02.760 --> 01:17:09.279
<v Speaker 3>straight across, right, uh, it would look down to that mouth,

952
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:11.960
<v Speaker 3>would look down and you won't get the smile if

953
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:14.760
<v Speaker 3>you're looking up at it from below. And so you

954
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:21.479
<v Speaker 3>have these optical trickery, this optical trickery on on the

955
01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:27.920
<v Speaker 3>on the face. Also the engineering that went into the

956
01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:32.680
<v Speaker 3>design of the statues where they strengthened the head by

957
01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:38.000
<v Speaker 3>giving it a beard or a gusst from here down here,

958
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:43.319
<v Speaker 3>and then they have the headdress strengthening attached to the shoulders.

959
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:49.199
<v Speaker 3>The elbows were attached to the thighs, which is an

960
01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:55.960
<v Speaker 3>unnatural a condition for a human. Uh So, yeah, I

961
01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:58.439
<v Speaker 3>mean there's just a lot of a lot of different

962
01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:03.439
<v Speaker 3>features on the on those statues. Plus there's there are

963
01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:08.920
<v Speaker 3>these mistakes. You know, you can still look when you

964
01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:13.239
<v Speaker 3>look really really closely, you can find you can see

965
01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:19.800
<v Speaker 3>the tool marks on the statues. The statue the one

966
01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:24.479
<v Speaker 3>in the British Museum which came from the Ramaseum, it's

967
01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:28.319
<v Speaker 3>got an error where they dug too deep in the

968
01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:35.000
<v Speaker 3>in the mouth right the corner of the mouth, and

969
01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:38.000
<v Speaker 3>so all of these and that is kind of like

970
01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:47.439
<v Speaker 3>an indication of a machine or the workpiece of shifted somewhat,

971
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:50.079
<v Speaker 3>and you know there's an error and so they tried

972
01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:57.359
<v Speaker 3>to machine out the air by by cutting the lips deeper, right,

973
01:18:57.520 --> 01:19:02.720
<v Speaker 3>and so there's a shock right at the vermillion border

974
01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:07.239
<v Speaker 3>where they cut the lips deeper. So they you know,

975
01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:11.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, they were using uh tran standard machining practices

976
01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:15.600
<v Speaker 3>when they when they machined those faces, they were using

977
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:19.359
<v Speaker 3>a larger tool to cut the open areas, and then

978
01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:24.520
<v Speaker 3>they switched tools to uh a more you know, finer

979
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:27.359
<v Speaker 3>point to cut the fine detailing in it.

980
01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:33.359
<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

981
01:19:33.439 --> 01:19:38.079
<v Speaker 1>our sponsors to identify themselves, and will return shortly with

982
01:19:38.119 --> 01:19:44.039
<v Speaker 1>my guest today, Kristen, discussing advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt.

983
01:19:45.720 --> 01:20:29.520
<v Speaker 1>We'll rejoin you shortly speaking with Christun today. He is

984
01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:33.119
<v Speaker 1>the author of Advanced Engineering in Ancient Egypt, and we're

985
01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:38.439
<v Speaker 1>looking at a number of machined temples, pyramids, and statuary.

986
01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that the use of microscopic lenses to

987
01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:54.319
<v Speaker 1>look really deep into these cuts would determine the cutting tool?

988
01:20:57.319 --> 01:20:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Uh, you mean, as far as whether they were used,

989
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:04.079
<v Speaker 3>what kind of media that they were using, like diamond

990
01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:05.760
<v Speaker 3>or something of that nature.

991
01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or if you can tell if it's even laser cut,

992
01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:11.079
<v Speaker 1>which you would be really a mind blower.

993
01:21:11.119 --> 01:21:17.000
<v Speaker 3>I generally avoid lasers because I was, like, I worked

994
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:21.600
<v Speaker 3>with lasers for about thirteen years and they are very

995
01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:27.560
<v Speaker 3>limited in the work that they can do. So and

996
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:32.600
<v Speaker 3>also they're not cheap to run. It's not a very

997
01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:40.039
<v Speaker 3>cost effective way to remove material. Compare that to a

998
01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:45.960
<v Speaker 3>regular machining or even vibratory machining. If you're using like

999
01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:50.600
<v Speaker 3>a ultrasonic machining or something like that, yeah, that would

1000
01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:58.000
<v Speaker 3>be a little more efficient than using lasers. Lasers was

1001
01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:02.159
<v Speaker 3>the magical two that just was just looking for a

1002
01:22:02.199 --> 01:22:05.359
<v Speaker 3>place to happen. I read that in a trade magazine

1003
01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:08.399
<v Speaker 3>many years ago. I was fascinated with lasers though, I

1004
01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:12.960
<v Speaker 3>mean I just loved them, and I got involved with

1005
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:15.600
<v Speaker 3>with them as a company in Indianapolis and run in

1006
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:20.600
<v Speaker 3>a laser job shop for a while. But the it's

1007
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:24.960
<v Speaker 3>a thermal process. So lasers is a thermal process, and

1008
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:28.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, you you may ablated the material, but you

1009
01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:31.640
<v Speaker 3>can't really cut clean cleanly with it.

1010
01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:35.199
<v Speaker 1>Because it's too hot and you can't control the heat levels.

1011
01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Right, I mean, you can control the heat level, but

1012
01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:41.840
<v Speaker 3>the finishes that you get that you're not going to

1013
01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:46.079
<v Speaker 3>get the same finishes that you on the y, that

1014
01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:49.079
<v Speaker 3>you get that you see on the statues or in

1015
01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:54.720
<v Speaker 3>in these other artifacts. So I would just dismiss laser

1016
01:22:56.359 --> 01:22:59.760
<v Speaker 3>out of hand. I'd be like, no, no way. There

1017
01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:01.800
<v Speaker 3>was a guy who came in. He wanted to know

1018
01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:07.239
<v Speaker 3>if he was having trouble with his blades. He had

1019
01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:11.479
<v Speaker 3>a company that made English muffins, and he put raisins

1020
01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:13.760
<v Speaker 3>in the muffins, right, and so he was having a

1021
01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:19.039
<v Speaker 3>problem with cutting these muffins because the blade kept dragging

1022
01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:22.319
<v Speaker 3>on the on the raisins and he was tearing up

1023
01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:25.359
<v Speaker 3>the muffins. And so he brought in a box of muffins.

1024
01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Wanted to know if I could laser them. It was like,

1025
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:36.479
<v Speaker 3>oh my god. I was like, I think that's the

1026
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:40.720
<v Speaker 3>wrong application, O man, And he said, well, right, anyway,

1027
01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:44.239
<v Speaker 3>so I had to try it. And so basically I

1028
01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:47.640
<v Speaker 3>put it in the cabinet, set up the machine and

1029
01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:51.199
<v Speaker 3>let it run, and then opened up the cabinet and

1030
01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:52.800
<v Speaker 3>took out a toasted muffin.

1031
01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Jesus, that's funny. Kind of a weird use for that

1032
01:23:57.479 --> 01:24:02.880
<v Speaker 1>high tech machinery. So, in concluding on the cutting side,

1033
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:07.159
<v Speaker 1>your your feeling is it was some either vibrating tool

1034
01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:12.199
<v Speaker 1>or high revolution blade of some kind that was cutting

1035
01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:15.479
<v Speaker 1>this granite.

1036
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean not necessarily high revolution. You know that

1037
01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:29.680
<v Speaker 3>there's basically the biggest thing to watch or principle that

1038
01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.439
<v Speaker 3>you have to be aware of in any kind of

1039
01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:38.800
<v Speaker 3>machining is heat, because heat will degrade your cutting tool.

1040
01:24:39.680 --> 01:24:47.720
<v Speaker 3>And basically it's a matter of the kind of action

1041
01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:53.600
<v Speaker 3>that you're empowering on the tool, whether it's rotary or reciprocal. Right,

1042
01:24:54.279 --> 01:25:00.039
<v Speaker 3>If it's a rotary, you don't want depending on the

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01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:04.079
<v Speaker 3>diameter that you are rotating, you don't want to have

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01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:08.159
<v Speaker 3>too high a revolution because you're going to burn up

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01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:13.000
<v Speaker 3>the tool. It was with Granted i'm talking with granite now,

1046
01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:18.960
<v Speaker 3>not limestone, So I mean there is you know, it's

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01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:26.439
<v Speaker 3>kind of like the Patrichor number seven, which is which

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01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:33.960
<v Speaker 3>had those spiral grooves around it. The feed rate was

1049
01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:40.600
<v Speaker 3>is five hundred times greater than a regular diamond diamond drill,

1050
01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:44.760
<v Speaker 3>at least it was in nineteen eighty four when I

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01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:47.960
<v Speaker 3>did my research on it. I mean, the improvement in tools,

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01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:50.359
<v Speaker 3>they may be doing it a lot faster now, are

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01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:52.880
<v Speaker 3>a lot greater now. But a lot of people have

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01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:56.039
<v Speaker 3>interpreted that to mean that the tool was spinning five

1055
01:25:56.119 --> 01:26:02.079
<v Speaker 3>hundred times fast, which is not what I meant. So, yeah,

1056
01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:08.199
<v Speaker 3>there's can be some confusion. Some of the confusion I

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01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:16.079
<v Speaker 3>take credit for others, you know, I people can be

1058
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:19.439
<v Speaker 3>confused for all kinds of reasons, nothing to do with

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01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:24.359
<v Speaker 3>what I said. Oh did right? Gotcha? Gotcha?

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01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's finish up with these I call them the Sakara

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01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:38.079
<v Speaker 1>uh vases, dishes plates. I actually was in the pyramid

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01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>there at Sakara, and I I Muhammad introduced me to

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01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:47.199
<v Speaker 1>a local archaeologist and he sold me a part of

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01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:52.079
<v Speaker 1>a vas not as good as Mark Young or Bell's vases,

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01:26:52.640 --> 01:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>but it was enough. It was enough to get a

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01:26:54.560 --> 01:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>sense of just how they cut these things. Talk about

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01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:06.279
<v Speaker 1>the your son Alex and Mark Young's research on these

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01:27:06.920 --> 01:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>stone bulls. Adam Young, Oh, Adam Young, excuse me, Adam Young.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, Alex was on my tour in twenty eighteen

1071
01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:20.680
<v Speaker 3>and Adam was on that tour, and so they met

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01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:29.880
<v Speaker 3>at that point, and Alex offered to do a love

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01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:34.159
<v Speaker 3>inspection on his vases. You know, he's discussing his vases,

1074
01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:38.640
<v Speaker 3>and of course the big the question has always been, oh, look,

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01:27:38.680 --> 01:27:42.000
<v Speaker 3>how precise those vases are? I wonder how precise they

1076
01:27:42.039 --> 01:27:47.119
<v Speaker 3>really are. Yeah, right, I mean myself, I go into

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01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:50.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, the number of times I've been to Egypt.

1078
01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean there have been times when going into the

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01:27:55.560 --> 01:28:00.159
<v Speaker 3>the Cairo Museum, you couldn't even take a photograph. You

1080
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:04.520
<v Speaker 3>had little leavy camera outside, you know. And yeah, and

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01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:09.920
<v Speaker 3>so there's a lot there was certainly no chance for

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01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:15.840
<v Speaker 3>me to get one of those vases. And uh yeah,

1083
01:28:16.279 --> 01:28:23.720
<v Speaker 3>but anyway, so well, Alex, uh yeah, Adam came to Indianapolis.

1084
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:27.359
<v Speaker 3>I was up there. It was at a company, a

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01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:32.600
<v Speaker 3>military contractor Alice was working on as a quality engineer,

1086
01:28:33.399 --> 01:28:37.520
<v Speaker 3>and they put one of these phases, I think it

1087
01:28:37.600 --> 01:28:43.119
<v Speaker 3>was the OG or the Collee OG, the original granite phase,

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01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:47.279
<v Speaker 3>put it upon a rotary table and inspected it. Were

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01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:55.000
<v Speaker 3>using conventional inspection equipment, you know, dial indicators.

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01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:53.079
<v Speaker 1>And.

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<v Speaker 3>It kind of blew me away. I was. I was

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01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:01.840
<v Speaker 3>shocked by what I saw was within two thousand and

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01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:10.800
<v Speaker 3>seven inch of the being precise. And so that was

1094
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:16.479
<v Speaker 3>the first indication that hey, I think we've got something here. Adam.

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01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:22.039
<v Speaker 3>Then with Alex, Adam actually went to capture three D

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01:29:22.159 --> 01:29:25.319
<v Speaker 3>I think in Connecticut and had them scan it three

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01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:30.840
<v Speaker 3>D scan it and I got the point cloud. He

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01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:34.319
<v Speaker 3>sent that to Alex. Alex and his friend Nick Sierra,

1099
01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:40.279
<v Speaker 3>they both work at Rolls Royce. Now, they took that

1100
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:45.279
<v Speaker 3>data and created a STL file, which is a file

1101
01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:51.479
<v Speaker 3>that you can create C and C code with, so

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01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:58.159
<v Speaker 3>basically takes a whole bunch of points and then renders

1103
01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:01.760
<v Speaker 3>it down to a file that is that.

1104
01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>The three D file that you can manipulate on your computer.

1105
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:09.039
<v Speaker 3>You can basically apply a tool path to it so

1106
01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:15.560
<v Speaker 3>and model it. Yeah. So anyway, that's what they did,

1107
01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:18.640
<v Speaker 3>and they were sitting on it for quite a while,

1108
01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:23.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, not knowing what steps to take next. Yeah,

1109
01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:27.439
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like, yeah, what do we do here now?

1110
01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:35.680
<v Speaker 3>And then Alex, you know, he was He's like, I

1111
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:39.119
<v Speaker 3>think maybe Ben van Kirkwick would be a good guy

1112
01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:44.359
<v Speaker 3>to put this information out, And so he and Adam

1113
01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:48.600
<v Speaker 3>decided that they would do that and went over to

1114
01:30:48.680 --> 01:30:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Ben and Ben bean with it and and so that's

1115
01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:56.359
<v Speaker 3>how it got out into the public square.

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01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, talk a little bit about the last bit of

1117
01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:04.600
<v Speaker 1>data on this, because Kirkwook is now kind of considering

1118
01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:12.800
<v Speaker 1>them less less utility home use and possible function of

1119
01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:16.239
<v Speaker 1>a of a machine of some kind these these what

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01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:19.520
<v Speaker 1>we think are vases and plates and things. Because of

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01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:23.119
<v Speaker 1>the precision, they may be used as some form of

1122
01:31:23.239 --> 01:31:28.359
<v Speaker 1>application on technology, an engine or something. I don't know,

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01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>but is that your feeling as well, or are you

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01:31:32.960 --> 01:31:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel that it's simply.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I'm I love exotic ideas and I

1126
01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:44.159
<v Speaker 3>love to speculate, right and certainly I've come up with

1127
01:31:44.239 --> 01:31:50.720
<v Speaker 3>a few myself. Uh, but they're just it's just speculation,

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01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:55.800
<v Speaker 3>and and then generally I try to try to follow

1129
01:31:55.920 --> 01:32:01.039
<v Speaker 3>them rules of OCAM's raiser, right like, so the the

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01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:07.760
<v Speaker 3>all else considered, the simplest solution is probably the correct one.

1131
01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:12.520
<v Speaker 3>So I you know, there's no way I don't think.

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01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:18.199
<v Speaker 3>Maybe eventually there will be, but I don't think there's

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01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:24.319
<v Speaker 3>any way to support that idea at this time or

1134
01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:28.119
<v Speaker 3>to give it more strength than the simple Well it

1135
01:32:28.159 --> 01:32:31.960
<v Speaker 3>was just a nice little item to put on your shelf,

1136
01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:39.640
<v Speaker 3>right yeah. Or it was something that we gave apprentices to,

1137
01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:44.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, before they graduated, because they had to do

1138
01:32:44.680 --> 01:32:52.319
<v Speaker 3>some fairly significant work. So that's pretty much yet, I mean,

1139
01:32:52.399 --> 01:32:59.800
<v Speaker 3>in terms of taking that research further, and that research

1140
01:32:59.880 --> 01:33:02.960
<v Speaker 3>is continuing, I mean, that's the good thing about it

1141
01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:12.199
<v Speaker 3>is that Adam and Matt continue to to work hard

1142
01:33:13.039 --> 01:33:18.960
<v Speaker 3>forwarding you know, their investors, pursuing their investigation further.

1143
01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1144
01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:27.199
<v Speaker 3>I think Adam and a a an associate went into

1145
01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:34.279
<v Speaker 3>the Peach Museum and measured one of their vases. Oh yeah,

1146
01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:39.520
<v Speaker 3>they're still trying to make them by hand, even though

1147
01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:43.720
<v Speaker 3>they are. There's one group I think in Russia they

1148
01:33:43.159 --> 01:33:48.760
<v Speaker 3>are they try to make one by hand and they

1149
01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:54.760
<v Speaker 3>resorted to using a potter's wheel in order to achieve

1150
01:33:54.920 --> 01:34:02.279
<v Speaker 3>the achieved the concentricity and the aroundness, but I'm not

1151
01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:07.760
<v Speaker 3>sure as far as you know the accuracy of it. Yeah.

1152
01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I had been on the show a few months ago

1153
01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:14.359
<v Speaker 1>and one of the things he describes is the cut

1154
01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:19.159
<v Speaker 1>is so great that you can shine a light inside

1155
01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>of it and see the light.

1156
01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:24.279
<v Speaker 3>One of those phases. Yeah, well, I think it's one

1157
01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:29.039
<v Speaker 3>that Matt Bell has that you can shine a light

1158
01:34:29.159 --> 01:34:33.119
<v Speaker 3>and you know that that was another aspect too. That

1159
01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:39.479
<v Speaker 3>whole research was that after Ben had promoted it on

1160
01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:43.760
<v Speaker 3>his website, then that's when Matt Bell got involved and

1161
01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:49.520
<v Speaker 3>started buying up all of these pre dynastic vases. Yeah,

1162
01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:52.960
<v Speaker 3>and then we did an inspection events at Danville Metal

1163
01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:57.800
<v Speaker 3>Stamping and so Adam came in with his vases, Matt

1164
01:34:57.800 --> 01:35:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Bell came in with his We set them up on

1165
01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:05.560
<v Speaker 3>the rotary table and just started measuring them. I was

1166
01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:10.119
<v Speaker 3>measuring the wall thickness of them. God, we were like,

1167
01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:13.920
<v Speaker 3>it was just like totally blown away by the precision

1168
01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:19.640
<v Speaker 3>of them. Imagine that using modern day tools, measuring the

1169
01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:22.479
<v Speaker 3>wall thickness and the wall thickness of this one wase

1170
01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:24.680
<v Speaker 3>I think it was the one the way you could

1171
01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:30.640
<v Speaker 3>actually see the light. Yeah, it was. I think that

1172
01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:34.119
<v Speaker 3>it was within like no more than two thousands of

1173
01:35:34.279 --> 01:35:38.279
<v Speaker 3>being a thickness all the way around it, And it

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01:35:38.399 --> 01:35:42.000
<v Speaker 3>was like I was just I was just floored. I

1175
01:35:42.039 --> 01:35:45.680
<v Speaker 3>was blown away by it. I mean it's like, yeah,

1176
01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:47.520
<v Speaker 3>this is this is really good work.

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01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:50.479
<v Speaker 1>And you got to wonder why would they had to

1178
01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:52.039
<v Speaker 1>why would they cut at that thin?

1179
01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:52.439
<v Speaker 3>You know?

1180
01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>And maybe this is where Ben gets his idea that

1181
01:35:55.800 --> 01:36:01.880
<v Speaker 1>these objects that we consider kitchen items are perhaps machine parts.

1182
01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:05.199
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, no, I don't know. I mean, you know,

1183
01:36:06.039 --> 01:36:11.800
<v Speaker 3>it's always good to stretch your imagination. Yeah, you never know, Yeah,

1184
01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:20.000
<v Speaker 3>mark something in somebody else that turns into something different. Yeah,

1185
01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:24.840
<v Speaker 3>I'd say, you know, you can't you can't you can't

1186
01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:28.560
<v Speaker 3>suppress human ingenuity and imagination.

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01:36:29.119 --> 01:36:33.319
<v Speaker 1>No, that's what's mix it interesting and fun. Hey, Chris,

1188
01:36:33.359 --> 01:36:35.359
<v Speaker 1>tell everybody where you're going to be in March. You're

1189
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:38.479
<v Speaker 1>going to be part of a tour with my friend

1190
01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Muhammad Imbrahem will be there April twentieth, but you're gonna

1191
01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:43.079
<v Speaker 1>be there March sixth.

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01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:47.279
<v Speaker 2>What's the ooh, I think March fourth. Yeah, I think

1193
01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:49.319
<v Speaker 2>give us the in general.

1194
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I know you don't have it in front of you,

1195
01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>but what's the itinerary? You guys going to go look

1196
01:36:53.640 --> 01:36:56.039
<v Speaker 1>for anomalies or what's up?

1197
01:36:56.079 --> 01:36:56.800
<v Speaker 2>What are you going to do?

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01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:00.279
<v Speaker 3>Well? The first thing, of course, this will be the

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01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:04.000
<v Speaker 3>first time that the first tour I've done in a

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01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:06.520
<v Speaker 3>few years. I wasn't going to do any more tours,

1201
01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:15.920
<v Speaker 3>but I there is a couple of things that I

1202
01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:20.960
<v Speaker 3>I would like to do. I definitely want to uh

1203
01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:26.520
<v Speaker 3>be with Filipo BEYONDI and Armando and travel when they

1204
01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:30.800
<v Speaker 3>do their presentation and add my voice to them, which

1205
01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:37.520
<v Speaker 3>I also did up in Chicago and supported supported their

1206
01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:42.960
<v Speaker 3>their findings. I climbed off the fence on their side,

1207
01:37:44.119 --> 01:37:48.439
<v Speaker 3>if you will, right. So, yeah, but it's got the usual,

1208
01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:55.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean the usual tour private accesses. You know, the

1209
01:37:55.680 --> 01:38:04.119
<v Speaker 3>the Geezer plateau, Saicara Dash sure, but Aburu wash hopefully

1210
01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:08.479
<v Speaker 3>and then you know down to look so will go

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01:38:08.520 --> 01:38:10.840
<v Speaker 3>all the way down to obosite symbol I think in

1212
01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:19.520
<v Speaker 3>the tour. So it'll promises to be absolutely unbelievable, a

1213
01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:25.840
<v Speaker 3>wonderful time that people are I think, you know, Amando

1214
01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:31.479
<v Speaker 3>and Philippa are are just incredible people. Traver is just

1215
01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:35.239
<v Speaker 3>a wonderful guy too. So you know, I can see

1216
01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:39.239
<v Speaker 3>that this will be an amazing trip for anybody who

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01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:39.960
<v Speaker 3>wants to join.

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01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic All right, give us your website again, and then

1219
01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>what you're up to latest. I don't think there's a

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01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:49.399
<v Speaker 1>book in the works, but you never know.

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01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:58.520
<v Speaker 3>I have to ask. Well, I guess you'll just have

1222
01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:02.760
<v Speaker 3>to be surprised. Oh website, and thank you for asking,

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01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:07.840
<v Speaker 3>is uh geezerpower dot com. That's g I Z A

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01:39:07.880 --> 01:39:13.239
<v Speaker 3>p o w e R gizer power dot com. And

1225
01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:18.720
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of links in the articles section. There's

1226
01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:24.000
<v Speaker 3>some headline news on the front page. In the article section,

1227
01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:29.960
<v Speaker 3>there's pages on the machined artifacts that we discussed today.

1228
01:39:32.079 --> 01:39:38.920
<v Speaker 3>There's an article on the stone at Abaroash, the Ramsey statues.

1229
01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:43.439
<v Speaker 3>There's all kinds of photographs of those two, so I've

1230
01:39:43.479 --> 01:39:44.439
<v Speaker 3>had it, enjoy it.

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01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I should mention that Chris is fairly good at

1232
01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:54.159
<v Speaker 1>writing articles and he has a whole bunch of I'm

1233
01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>going to post an article that where he responded to

1234
01:39:59.079 --> 01:40:02.479
<v Speaker 1>inquiries about his book Lost Technologies of the Ancient Egypt,

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01:40:02.600 --> 01:40:05.600
<v Speaker 1>So good place to see his articles. Chris is always

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01:40:05.680 --> 01:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>a pleasure. Great to see you, and I appreciate.

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01:40:10.840 --> 01:40:13.279
<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much. Yeah, it looks like you're getting

1238
01:40:13.279 --> 01:40:18.800
<v Speaker 3>a little gray up top there. Yeah, yeah, but that's okay.

1239
01:40:19.279 --> 01:40:20.239
<v Speaker 3>At least you've got a.

1240
01:40:20.199 --> 01:40:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Lot of it left, all right, buddy, you take care.

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01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:27.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, take care. I now bye.

1242
01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna show a number of images on the Facebook page.

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01:40:34.119 --> 01:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>You can also go to Chris Dunn dot com and

1244
01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>see his latest articles. And I'll post the article that

1245
01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:44.680
<v Speaker 1>he recently submitted his take on the t SARS synthetic

1246
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:50.159
<v Speaker 1>aperture radar imagery of the Kufu and Caffrey Pyramids, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's something to consider. Always good to have him on

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<v Speaker 1>the program. Hey, we are gearing up for our seventh

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<v Speaker 1>annual Grant Egyptian. It's going to be April twenty eighth

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<v Speaker 1>through May tenth. It is focused on these megalists. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about the Ramseys statuary temples, including Hathor Karnak,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're going to see some very old portions of

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<v Speaker 1>Egypt that you can that you can visit, actually get

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<v Speaker 1>out and touch the statues and the buildings and things.

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<v Speaker 1>For the entire itinerary, go to Earth Ancients dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>forward slash tours. We're making this tour very reasonably priced,

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<v Speaker 1>and I always mentioned that Earth Ancients is probably the

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<v Speaker 1>most reasonably priced tour that you can take to Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>Our tour is about half the price, fifty percent off

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<v Speaker 1>the normal rate of about twelve thousand dollars. For all

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<v Speaker 1>the details, all the information, you go to earth Ancients

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<v Speaker 1>dot com, forward slash tours and register. We're about a

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<v Speaker 1>third of the way to the full This tour typically

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<v Speaker 1>sells out by December, So if you have any questions whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 1>send me an email. Sent it to Earth Ancients the

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<v Speaker 1>number four of the letter you at gmail dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll get right back to you Earth Ancients Grand

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<v Speaker 1>Egyptian Tour number seven. All right, that's it for this program.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank my guest today Kristin wonderful lam

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<v Speaker 1>on the program has always a team of Gail tour

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Foster, Infela ParvE. You guys rock all right, take

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<v Speaker 1>care of you well and we will talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>next time.
