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Speaker 1: Really enjoyed the lineup of guests this morning. Continuing the
Speaker 1: lineup of guests that I'm enjoying this morning, the return
Speaker 1: of tech editor Colin Madine, tech editor for breit Bart.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Colin Maydine. It's always a pleasure talker with you,
Speaker 1: my friend. Happy to be here. Well, you know, we're
Speaker 1: in trouble here in the city of Cincinnati, and we
Speaker 1: make national headlines for what happened over the weekend, including
Speaker 1: the brawl, be the beatdown. I should more properly refer
Speaker 1: to it as covered on Breitbart as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you know a whole lot about Colin,
Speaker 1: but I did see that Breitbart covered the situation as well.
Speaker 1: What's your take on our problem here in the city
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm absolutely aware of it. You know, first of all,
Speaker 2: I'm a Columbus native, and so I'd be in Cincinnati
Speaker 2: anytime I wanted to see decent sports teams as opposed
Speaker 2: to Cleveland. Right, it's great, So you know I did
Speaker 2: watch it carefully. My first reaction is something you've already
Speaker 2: touched on. A lot of the media is covering this
Speaker 2: as a brawl or a fight. All I saw was
Speaker 2: a beatdown, you know, people getting a mudhole stomped into them. Basically,
Speaker 2: what I really keyed in on as tech editor is
Speaker 2: your police chief went out there blaming social media and
Speaker 2: the media or this, you know, spreading virally and this
Speaker 2: being the national news about Cincinnati as opposed to something good, right,
Speaker 2: which we would all hope for, but usually isn't the case.
Speaker 2: My view is when you look at incidents that go viral,
Speaker 2: it can go two ways. There are incidents that are
Speaker 2: caused by social media and made, and then there's influence.
Speaker 2: There's incidents that happen and then go viral because they
Speaker 2: have all the right ingredients to go viral. So I
Speaker 2: don't view this as something caused by social media. When
Speaker 2: I think of things caused by social media, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: of TikTok making teenagers do stupid things, Whether it's eating
Speaker 2: tide pods or destroying their schools, yep, to get viral.
Speaker 2: That's not what happened here. What happened here is this
Speaker 2: terrible incident, probably alcohol fuels, and it much like the
Speaker 2: Coldplay concerts CEO that wasn't caused by social media, but
Speaker 2: it had all the ingredients to then go viral. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people and the reason they go
Speaker 2: to social media is to see knockouts in this fight
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, brawl, attack, beat down.
Speaker 2: You know, had these brutal knockdowns, right, and yes, you
Speaker 2: have a crowd at last I saw the crowd is
Speaker 2: estimated at one hundred people that was standing around filming it.
Speaker 2: Many of those people hope to have the video that
Speaker 2: goes viral because they think they're famous. They want that
Speaker 2: attention for one minute or ten minutes or fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: of fame like Americans used to hope for. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: you know, I disagree with your police chief out there
Speaker 2: saying it's the fault of social media, and it's the
Speaker 2: fault of the media for covering it. You have a
Speaker 2: much deeper problem that's being portrayed in that video.
Speaker 1: Without question, I think, you know, it becomes a social
Speaker 1: media phenomenon, most notably these these these knockdowns, these you know,
Speaker 1: random indiscriminate punching of people that really even when there's
Speaker 1: no altercation. We even had one of those that same
Speaker 1: roughly the same period of time on Saturday morning. It's
Speaker 1: you can hear the guy that's recording the video, it's
Speaker 1: sort of just waiting for this knockdown to happen. It
Speaker 1: was a setup. He was ready to record it when
Speaker 1: it happened, and out of nowhere, this guy just cole Cox,
Speaker 1: this innocent person who was just standing there, and he
Speaker 1: gets knocked to the ground and then the guy drags
Speaker 1: him out the middle of the street. People can't believe
Speaker 1: their own eyes and they see that, and that's why
Speaker 1: it becomes clickbait. It's like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: like societal breakdown kind of stuff. I can't believe what
Speaker 1: I'm watching. And then somebody else wants to do it,
Speaker 1: so they become the next viral sensation.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you know there's other people out there saying,
Speaker 2: you know, the race aspect is why this went viral.
Speaker 2: That's not the reality we live in. Either the fight
Speaker 2: and the attack is what really gets people, exactly to
Speaker 2: your point, to just click on things, because you know,
Speaker 2: we see these types of videos going viral all the time,
Speaker 2: and it can be you know, it can be all,
Speaker 2: it can be black on black. We see that with
Speaker 2: Carnival Cruises, who had to basically go through a marketing
Speaker 2: crisis because all these videos of fights on cruise ships,
Speaker 2: certainly large so white people do the same thing. It's not,
Speaker 2: you know, from my perspective, it's that's not why I
Speaker 2: win viral? Whyowin viral? Was you had this large group
Speaker 2: of people. I think there was one nine to one
Speaker 2: one call according to what I read, exactly, because you
Speaker 2: get that it's essentially a mini riot, one might say, right,
Speaker 2: it's the behavior that humans is not I'm going to
Speaker 2: try to stop this because they'll be the next person
Speaker 2: beat down. Instead, it's I'm going to try to get
Speaker 2: famous off this. Because whether you're a social media expert
Speaker 2: or not, everyone has some concept of what's going to
Speaker 2: go viral these days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, and you know it's it's something that
Speaker 1: I just can't get my head around, Colin, because okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be sixty in September. Maybe it's my age,
Speaker 1: But my first reaction is never to grab my phone
Speaker 1: and start taking pictures of something. I mean, even at
Speaker 1: family events, birthday parties. I just don't think about it,
Speaker 1: and so I wouldn't have. I don't think I would
Speaker 1: have pulled my phone out if I was downtown when
Speaker 1: that was going on.
Speaker 2: To record it.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't enter my mind. But that's not modern society,
Speaker 1: and that's certainly not the default position for seemingly most
Speaker 1: people these days.
Speaker 2: Well, Brian, in your defense, it's not just an age thing. Yes,
Speaker 2: Certainly older people, you know, as you get into the
Speaker 2: boomer generation, they don't have that instinct. I'm a tech
Speaker 2: editor gen X in my forties and I struggle with
Speaker 2: that too. We have a fox who runs around our
Speaker 2: neighborhood all day. I saw them and I had to
Speaker 2: like comically fumble with my phone right for the right camera.
Speaker 2: But there's you know, millions upon millions of people who
Speaker 2: are like quick jaw artists, right, like gunslingers with their
Speaker 2: phone and they're filming Hollywood style angles and lighting on
Speaker 2: the fly because and some of that is because you know,
Speaker 2: we have whole generations that are digital natives, people who
Speaker 2: were born with social media essentially, yeah, or in the
Speaker 2: you know, in YouTube, and part of it is, you know,
Speaker 2: it's that struggle of we have people who just they're
Speaker 2: not thinking the way we would associate with traditional American
Speaker 2: thinking and values, which is if they see something like
Speaker 2: that and that's not cysticus. Right, you have people getting
Speaker 2: knocked out, possibly brain damage. I don't know the condition
Speaker 2: of those poor people this morning, but you know that's
Speaker 2: not a fight, that's a that's a life threatening situation.
Speaker 1: With that question, well, you mentioned thinking and critical thinking
Speaker 1: I think has been an important aspect of my life
Speaker 1: and thank god I have critical thinking. It served me
Speaker 1: well in my practice of law. But that's the environment
Speaker 1: I was raised in, you know, the Socratic method. But
Speaker 1: pivoting over to artificial intelligence, I see the Teachers Union
Speaker 1: are teaming up with Microsoft and others thanks to a
Speaker 1: twenty three million dollar investment by Microsoft, Open AI and
Speaker 1: Anthropic to incorporate artificial intelligence into the classroom. And my
Speaker 1: concern about that is the default position for most is
Speaker 1: I'm not going to engage my own thought process. Is
Speaker 1: I'm just going to turn to chat, GPT or some
Speaker 1: other AI inspired to get the answer to whatever question.
Speaker 1: That's presented in front of me and just regurgitate something
Speaker 1: without thinking about it. This is a dangerous step, I believe, Colin.
Speaker 1: What's your take on this direction.
Speaker 2: It is a dangerous step because what you just said, Brian,
Speaker 2: once again, you're kind of ahead of the curve. It's
Speaker 2: not just conjecture, it's not just g These people aren't thinking.
Speaker 2: MIT has done an actual study and in you know,
Speaker 2: the short version of the result is chet TBT wrots
Speaker 2: your brain. They do brain studies and people's brains are
Speaker 2: not firing in the same way when they go to
Speaker 2: a tool and get an answer. So, you know, the
Speaker 2: thing that I find very curious about that deal where
Speaker 2: teachers and teachers unions want to incorporate AI into the
Speaker 2: classroom is for you know, decades, you could talk to
Speaker 2: the most ardent leftist teacher and they would have a
Speaker 2: very similar opinion of Wikipedia that I do, because Wikipedia is,
Speaker 2: you know, a horror show. It's filled with biased, insane,
Speaker 2: crazy opinions from the furthest left people. But teachers hated
Speaker 2: it because students would go to Wikipedia a copy and
Speaker 2: paste and turn it in as their research homework. They
Speaker 2: would say, you didn't do your work. You know, how
Speaker 2: dare you go to Wikipedia? Those same teachers today are
Speaker 2: saying go to tech GPT and start, you know, and
Speaker 2: get some answers from them. It's the exact same problem.
Speaker 2: You're not learning anything as someone who works they in
Speaker 2: and day out with with writing. The startling thing is
Speaker 2: when people use chetchipt or any AI tool to generate
Speaker 2: some written words, they almost never read them. We know
Speaker 2: that because people will publish things or write letters and
Speaker 2: they have like horrible mistakes in them, or it does
Speaker 2: this was written by tech gipt. They don't even bother
Speaker 2: to read it to remove that colin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a topic that is so near and
Speaker 1: dear to my heart because there have been any number
Speaker 1: of articles written about idiot lawyers who rely on chat GPT,
Speaker 1: which whole cloth makes up case law that does not exist.
Speaker 1: They don't go bother and check their work to see
Speaker 1: if there actually is the case there they just recited
Speaker 1: and presented to the court.
Speaker 2: I mean talk about malpractice. Yeah, I love covering that
Speaker 2: at Brighte Bartech. And you know you're a lawyer. I'm
Speaker 2: not a lawyer, but you know, no lawyer wants to
Speaker 2: make a judge really angry I mean that's rule number one.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine how angry the judges when they realize
Speaker 2: and this is not one case that's happened many times Anthropics,
Speaker 2: which is an AI giant, their own lawyer fell for this,
Speaker 2: where they, you know, file things with a judge full
Speaker 2: of fake case citations. So it's brutal, and that's that's
Speaker 2: what's happening. So you know, for all the parents and
Speaker 2: grandparents out there, you should punish your kids for using
Speaker 2: AI because literally they're not gonna think, they're not going
Speaker 2: to learn, uh, and they're gonna publish wrong information.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about and even if the information is accurate,
Speaker 1: the concept of creating a sentence on your own, it's
Speaker 1: going to be a lost art. It's going to be
Speaker 1: done for you. You know, the using verbs correctly announced
Speaker 1: correctally and understanding how to construct this sentence is just
Speaker 1: that does it for you. I Mean there's there's just
Speaker 1: no thought process involved, and I find that it's frightening.
Speaker 1: And then the other component of this is and a
Speaker 1: couple of corollary stories you have on on Breitbart b
Speaker 1: R E I T B A r T dot com,
Speaker 1: book market, we got this guy in New York that
Speaker 1: used artificial intelligence to build bombs and he planned on
Speaker 1: detonating Manhattan. And another article you guys posted about chat
Speaker 1: GPT gave instructions on worshiping molac with blood sacrifices and
Speaker 1: encourage somebody to cut their wrists with sterile or very
Speaker 1: clean razor blade. This stuff is downright dangerous.
Speaker 2: It's dangerous, Brian, and you know the problem is it
Speaker 2: leads people down rabbit holes. There's a term that's been
Speaker 2: coined called check GPT and douce psychosis because people kind
Speaker 2: of go crazy. AI has this very dangerous trend of
Speaker 2: always telling you you're right, always telling you your a genius,
Speaker 2: and when you start to respond, you know, in an
Speaker 2: engaged manner on a particular topic, it just feeds you
Speaker 2: more and more. So to your point. You know, this
Speaker 2: guy wanted to build bombs, and AI tools taught him
Speaker 2: better bombs to build his quote, he told the cops,
Speaker 2: this is way easier than buying gunpowder to make bombs,
Speaker 2: because it told me just some household chemicals. Like he
Speaker 2: was thrilled because it helped them make this plan. Luckily,
Speaker 2: one accillently went off and scared him, so he ended
Speaker 2: up turning himself in. But you know, whether it's worshiping
Speaker 2: the devil, which is the other case you talked about,
Speaker 2: or you know, we had a we had an article
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, just some guy. He's autistic,
Speaker 2: you know, so he has some challenges. He thought he
Speaker 2: has scientific breakthrough on time travel. Chats ABT contends him.
Speaker 2: He's correct, He's the next Einstein. You know. It sent
Speaker 2: him down this whole warm hole, and it's the The
Speaker 2: mental health effects are almost as Dad is. Like the
Speaker 2: false information and lack of thinking.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants a pat on the back, and everyone wants
Speaker 1: to be encouraged and told that they're right. And when
Speaker 1: you can steer someone down a dangerous path because they
Speaker 1: happen to be on it already, it's just going to
Speaker 1: make a bad situation worse Colin made. And it's always
Speaker 1: great having you want to continue to encourage my listeners
Speaker 1: to book Breitbart dot com and check out the wonderful
Speaker 1: reporting that you guys do. And you're always ahead of
Speaker 1: the game on what starts out to be an alleged
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory actually turns out to be right. And normally
Speaker 1: you can find out what's right in advance. By reading Breitbart. Colin,
Speaker 1: look forward to having you back on real soon. Keep
Speaker 1: up the great work and say hello to the rest
Speaker 1: of the team for me.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Brian, keep going, thanks brother. Take care.
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