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Speaker 1: At a book. Hey everyone, thanks so much for joining

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us for another livestream episode of dog Mean Encounters Radio.

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I really appreciate it. It's no secret that from time

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to time I like to mix things up, and that's

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what we're going to do on tonight's show. Instead of

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bringing a dog Me and eye witness on to talk

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about their encounter or encounters to mix things up a bit,

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I decided to bring an author on who has written

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books about dog Me and encounters. This author on tonight's show,

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not only is she going to talk about her books,

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but she's also going to share some of those encounters

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with you that I witnesses and in turn shared with her. Well,

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without any further delay, let's bring her in here now.

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Speaker 2: O Vick, thank you for having me well.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming. I appreciate it. Tonight's guest

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is Luca T. Jacobs. By the way, Luca, please give

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us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm barely holding onto my forties. I live in

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Australia just south of sitting with my partner in my dog, Finnegan.

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In my twenties and thirties, I traveled quite extensively to

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the United States, Annie Lestone became my absolute favorite place

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in the world. I lived in various places over there,

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and I like Chicago, Minneapolis, and a small town named

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Ely near the Canadian border in Minnesota. I volunteered there

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for a year with a nonprofit Blackbot Black their organization.

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I also lived in Calgary, Canada for a while too,

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and loved driving out to bamp and seeing the wildlife.

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I think that's that's about it.

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Speaker 1: Wow. I can only imagine the culture shock being from

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Australia and then living in the steeds in Chicago especially,

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and then moving up to Calgary at one point. What

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kind of a culture shock was that for you?

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Speaker 2: Well, we do like in terms of the weather shock.

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I missed the snow so much. We do get it

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in Australia, particularly you know obviously the mountain areas and

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down south in Victoria. But the probably the lowest temperature

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I ever experienced was up in Calgary, and that was

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I think minus forty three and I went walking in

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it because we were hungry, so we went walking a

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couple of blocks and the icicles on the night. That

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was very interesting. Never had that happen before. But I

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guess the biggest culture shock was living in the tiny

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town near the border there just I think it was

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about twenty five hundred people, and so that was small

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town sort of thing, the normal things that happened with

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small towns. That was something to get used to it.

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And going through a winter as well, was much much

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to do up there. So yeah, it was a bit

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of a shock, but I usually can adapt to anything,

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so I had a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it was a shock. I can only

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imagine what you went through. Wow, night and day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was. I needed a lot of melowtone, and

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I was told yeah, because of the lack of sunlight.

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So it was all things to get used to. You know,

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you roll with it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there was a list. I don't doubt that.

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Does your family know about your fascination with dog men

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and were wolves?

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Speaker 2: Luca absolutely. When I first got into the interest with

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them and sasquatch, he was about twenty sixteen seventeen, I

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think it was. And I got my sister into listening

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to them as well, so she loves them, probably not

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as obsessed as myself and my partner Adam, he listens

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all the time, he falls asleep to them. If we

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go driving, we put on the podcast and we watch

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you know, as many YouTube videos as we can, or

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any documentaries. He's really interested as well, and when the

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time comes he always offers suggestions for the books as well.

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So it's really handy having someone interested in the same

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sort of topics as yourselfarticularly when you are pretty much

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obsessed with it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure that must help quite a bit. I'm

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sure it's a given that some of your family members

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from time to time that they make recommendations on what

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you should put in your books about angles, for stories

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and things like that. Do they ever do that?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, it's It was funny. My brother in law

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he wanted he was visiting, and I was telling him

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that I was in the middle of I think it

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was my second night of the dog Man book, and

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he was like, oh, can you put me in there?

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this sort of thing. So I put his namesake in

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there and his partner and ended off killing them off

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in a pretty gresome way. He was he loved it,

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but I thought, you know, I I'll put you in there,

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but if it's to do with a dog man you're

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really not gonna last too long in the chapter. So

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I had fun with it. And you know, people's names,

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family family names and things like that, I'll throw them

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into and yeah, not many people lasked.

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Speaker 1: Well, at least he was a good sport about it.

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Speaker 2: He had no choice. You'd have been published, so that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Before we rule on Mom's spaghetti me at a donation.

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And I just want to thank you so much for

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doing that. I really appreciate you. I do. Luca. You've

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always had a fear of were wolves, which is probably

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really surprising to most of us listening to tonight's show,

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considering the fact you write books about where wolves and

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dog men. How strong has that fear been of them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am a bit of a contradiction. It was

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growing up, my friends, my family, my sister, she can

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vouch for that. That anytime, you know, you wanted to

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upset me, you'd just say the name werewolf or the

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word were wolf. And it worked. And I could always

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watch any sort of horror except where wolf. They just

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sort of they fascinated me, but at the same time

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creit the hell out of me. So it was, and

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Sasquatch books and someone in one of the encounter stories

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said that they had seen an upright standing canine and

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I'm like, you know, and I'm like, okay, what's this thing?

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And they said dog mean and I was like, oh, okay.

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So I would listen to your encounter stories and never

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would I want to actually see one. But just the

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thought of that existing out there, and as you say,

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it doesn't have to be a real setting for them

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to be seeing it was just I don't know. I

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was incredibly intrigued by it, but at the same time

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terrified at the thought I've ever seen one, but just

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that they existed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that they do. Unfortunately, they're definitely out there. Has

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that fear of where wolves waned over the years at

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all though.

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Speaker 2: No, I think, well, certainly not, because even though I

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write about it, and I can, obviously you've got to

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go into that headspace of what you're writing about, and

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know if you are writing about a particular encounter, you're

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in that headspace. You're fearful yourself to a degree, obviously,

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but you've got control there. But even you know, when

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I go outside at night and I leave in suburbia.

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I still think, you know, once in a while to

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look for eyeshine or anything like that, and it would

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be the weirdest place to see one. But it's to

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say that it's possible, but something creepy because I like

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to stay up late, so I'm always out there outside,

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you know, in the wee hours, so I'm always looking

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for it. So I still do fear that if I

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ever saw one, absolutely i'd just probably pass out and

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just freeze in place and yep, drop to the floor,

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no down, if I actually saw one. So yeah, it's

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probably I've gotten a little bit better now that I

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write about them, but I've got control there. Obviously, in

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real life, you've got very little control.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's true, very little when it comes to dealing

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with these guys. But yeah, hopefully you never will have

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an encounter with these guys. The odds of you actually

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having an encounter are so slight that it's probably not

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even worth worrying about.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the plan, you know, i'd rather have. I

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think i'd rather have an encounter with a sasquatch, but

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certainly at a distance, and when I was I'm in

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a car, so I can get away. But a dog

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man or a werewolf, no thing. So I'm just happy

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to write about them and control the narrative.

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Speaker 1: I can't say I blame you there and all I

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don't Well, before we talk about your books and the

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encounters that have been shared with you from my witnesses,

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as it would turn out, your brother in law, from

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what I understand, has had a dog mean encounter of

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his own. What more can you tell us about his experience?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so. He was a couple of months ago.

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we're always watching say the HOWI videos or a sasquatch documentary,

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and he's always been interested in it when we talk

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about it. And I was mentioning because he was. I

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showed him one of my books and it's like, oh,

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is this a wolf? And I said it's called Dogman

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and explained what they are, and I said, yeah, we've

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he's got quite a few. Well, he's got a couple

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of encounter stories from Australia on the podcast too. And

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when I was telling him that, I was looking obviously

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at his face and it's sort of a it was

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a light bulb moment with him. I can see his

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face just sort of changed and he was thinking. And

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mate or you know, a fellow employee, and there was

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a dark country road or something late at night, and

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he said he came the headlights caught an animal on

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the side of the road, and at first he thought

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so obviously it was either a feral dog or austray.

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like obviously drove past it, he said, it just didn't

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seem right and sort of you know, you see an

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animal on the side of the road that's native to

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the area, it doesn't give you that sort of dread feeling,

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or it should have, and this one didn't. He said,

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it looked like it had mange. It was really large,

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but it was skinny, and it just looked sort of disproportioned,

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like it's front legs like it was on our forwards,

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but the front legs were shorter than the back legs.

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highly likely that it was if it was that strange

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and it gave you that instant feel of dread. So

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he was a little spooked by that. But it happened

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a while ago. So yeah, I wonder if, yeah, next

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time he drives a lonely wrote at night, he'll keep

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his eyes out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he will once bit and twice shy.

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us all about the books, and if you're up for

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assuring encounters that are in some of the books, then

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that'd be even better.

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Speaker 2: Yet absolutely all right. So I wrote books about Sasquatch,

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and I've also written ones about Yaois. There's been a

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few in there, particularly one of the Hooi ones was

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I was contacted by a lady lives in New South

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Wales here in Australia that she'd been having encounters on

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her property near the Pillager. So I wrote alongside her

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Her and True Encounters Surviving the Pillager. That's called oh jeez,

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I should probably know what I call my books. How

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Surviving the Pilagar. But my most popular books would have

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to be called The Night of the dog Man trilogy.

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started with dog Man, even though, as I said, it

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always sort of terrifying me a bit more than say

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no idea what I was doing, I thought I'd write

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a book of my own, and so it did, and

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readen and it's still doing exceptionally well. Then people were like, okay,

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oh my gosh, people like it. That's great, all right,

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the second, and then I did the third, carrying it on.

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of the dog Man. I also have one that's titled

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Monsters among Us terrifyingly true sasquatchan Howe Encounters. Now those

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Deep Dive and Reddit, and people contacted me with their

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true encounters from Sasquatch and also dog Man. So I

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think i'll read a few of the true, the real

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encounters first, and then I'll dive into a couple of

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chapters from Night of the dog Man series. If that's

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all right with.

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Speaker 1: You, Big, please do that'd be great already.

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so I'll just read through it. Excuse me, all right.

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My name is Huck and I've been a trucker for

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over twenty years. Born and raised in Idaho. I've jupned

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these roads more times than I can count. I've seen

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my fair share of weird things out there, but nothing

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quite like what happened one hill in November. Night at

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a Roadhouse just up weighed ninety five I was hauling

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a load of potatoes down to Boising and decided to

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pull over for the night. The roadhouse was a popular

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spot for truckers, a small diner with a big parking lot,

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always a few rigs parked overnight. I found a spot

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near the back, turned off the engine and settled in

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for some much neater shutout. The night was clear and

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the air had a bite to it. I reminded that

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winter was here. The parking lot was quieter than usual,

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with only a few other trucks scattered around. I closed

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my eyes and tried to drift off, but for some reason,

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sleep wouldn't come. After tossing and turning for what felt

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like hours, I finally gave up and decided to get

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out and had to smoke. I stepped out of the

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cab and lit up a cigarette, the emberglowing bright in

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the dark. The night was eerily quiet, not a sound

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except for the occasional russells rustle of leaves in the wind.

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the storm. I looked around, seeing the dark shapes of

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other trucks silhouetted against the dim glow of the road

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to house's neon sign. Something didn't feel right, but I

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couldn't put my finger on it. I don't get spooked

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to easily, so I took a deep drag and tried

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to shake off the unease, chalking it up to being overtired.

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butt away, and climbed back into the truck. I laid

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back down, hoping sleep would come easier this time. It

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couldn't have been more than twenty minutes later when I

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was jolted awake by a strange noise. It was a

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scraping sound, like something dragging across metal, followed by a

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blowing noise, almost like a deer makes. My heart started

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pounding in my chest, and I strained to listen. The

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noise stopped for a moment, then started up again loud.

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out the window the parking lot. It was dark and

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I couldn't see much behind or beyond the dim glow

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of the deep diner. The noise continued scraping and blowing

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unnervingly and never hurt anything like it before. Out of

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my peripheral vision, I saw a movement between the trucks.

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At first, I thought it was a wolf with something

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seriously off. It was walking on two legs, hunched over,

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and it had hands similar to a raccoon's. Its lower

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body was skinny, but the top half looked like it

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was pure muscle. I could only see it from the back,

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but it was enough to make my blood precious skyrocket.

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It was slightly hunched as it sniffed the air. Then

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it headed towards another truck parked a few spaces away.

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Is that a freaking were wolf? I thought? My brain whirled,

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attempting to process a site before me. It looked like

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a wolf, but wolves don't walk on two legs. I

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watched in horror as it reached the other truck, disappearing

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into the shadows. The blowing noise came again, louder and

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more insistent. I wanted to get out. I wanted to

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get out of there, to start the engine and drive

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away as fast as I could. But I didn't want

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to didn't want it to notice me. I couldn't move,

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couldn't think. All I could do was sit there, heart pounding,

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ice fixed on the spot where the creature disappeared. I'm

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fifty five years old. And nothing is able to terrify

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me like that creature did. After a while, the noise stopped.

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The night was silent again, and I tried to calm

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my breathing. I laid back down and pulling the blanket

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up to my chin, ears straining for any sound. I

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don't know how long I lay there, tense and trembling,

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but eventually exhaustion took over and I drifted off to sleep.

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I woke up to the harsh light of the morning.

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The events of the night for feeling like a bad dream,

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but the unease was still there, a lingering sense of

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dread that wouldn't go away. I climbed out of the truck,

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looked around the parking lot. Everything seemed normal, but I

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couldn't shake the feeling that something was watching me. I

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quickly did my pre trip inspection to get back on

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the road and put as much distance between me and

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that roadhouse as possible. As I pulled out of the lot,

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I vowed never to stop there again. Whatever that thing was,

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I didn't want to see it again. That's pretty spooky

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if you ask me, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'd say so. God spooky enough until something spookier comes along.

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Speaker 2: That's right. This next one, this one got me when

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I first read it. And these, you know, like these

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have been edited just for flow and things like that

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if they needed it. So yeah, this next one is

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probably the one that freaked me out, even amongst all

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the Sasquatch ones too. So you'd like me to read that.

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Speaker 1: One, please do the more the Mirrior.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's just see. Okay, So this one's called

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The Face under the Porch, and this happened up in

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British Columbia. Okay, I've got to tell you a story

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that's been haunting me for years. My name's Jason, and

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I'm twenty six now living in Vancouver. I moved here

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for college, wanting to put some distance between myself and

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the place where this story takes place. My parents have

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a rural property outside of Kamloops, PC, and I hated

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it ever since we moved there when I was fifteen,

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and never could quite explain why. It was just never

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felt right to me. My parents, though they absolutely loved

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the place. Recently, I decided it was time for my

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girlfriend Emily to meet my folks. She'd been curious about

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my reluctance to visit it my childhood home and why

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I seemed none easy whenever it came up in conversation.

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I thought maybe facing it head on would help. So

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we flew into Canloops, hired a car, and started the

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drive out to the property. It was around seven pm

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in early May, with the sun just dipping below hooked

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the horizon. As we pulled down the long gravel driveway,

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I felt that familiar not of unease tight in my stomach.

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The driveway was flanked by tall trees on either side,

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and the house sat at the end like an island

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of refuge or, in my case, a place of dread.

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My parents had installed a motion operated light on the

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front porch, but it didn't do much to cut through

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the encroaching darkness. I even commented to Emily about how

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useless that light was, trying to mask my nerves with

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a beauty bit of humor, we parked and got out

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of the car. I grabbed Emily's hand, partly for comfort

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and partly to reassure her. As we walked towards the porch,

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I stopped suddenly there was something under porch, just at

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the edge of the dim light. I pulled Emily back

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towards the car quickly my hair, my heart pound me.

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What's wrong? She asked, a voice tins she with confusion

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and concern. Just get in the car, I said, trying

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to keep my voice steady. Climb back. We climbed back in,

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and I backed up the driveway, not taking my eyes

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off the porch. Once we were a safety distance away,

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Emily demanded to know what had happened. I took a

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deep breath and tried to calm down before explaining. When

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I got closer to the porch, I saw a face

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under there. At first I thought it was just a

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dog or something, but then it grinned at me like

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an evil joker's grin, all teeth and malice. It was

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like a wolf's space, but not quiet. It had this

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sinister look in its eyes. Its face was pure evil.

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Emily looked at me, her eyes bite. I sure it

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wasn't just a neighbor's dog or something. I shook my head.

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No way. It was too large, and I've never seen

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a dog look like that thing before. He's like it

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wanted to be to see it, and it wanted me

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to be terrified. I don't know how, but I don't

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know how, But I don't know how. I know what

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I do. I called my parents from the road and

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told them what I saw. They were angry and brushed

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it off, insisting it was probably a neighbor's dog. I

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wasn't convinced and refused to go back. We agreed to

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meet in town at a restaurant instead, over dinner. I

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tried to convince them to move, but they're adamant about stay.

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The rest of the trip was uneventful, but that encounter

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refuses to leave my mind. I will never go back

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to that property. Emily believed me, and we talked about

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it here and there, trying to make sense of what

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I'd seen. To this day, my parents still live there,

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but I've never set foot on that land again. There's

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something out there, something that doesn't want me around, and

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I'm I'm more than happy to oblige.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I say that is awfully creepy. Wow. How

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often do you knew I witnesses reach out to you, Luca,

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to share encounters with you, and how do they find

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you normally?

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Speaker 2: Well? This this True Encounters book. I just because you know,

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I've I guess I love Reddit and I'm always reading

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on there, and I just thought i'd put and I

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didn't think i'd have any success. I just thought i'd

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put a few comments on people that had already commented

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saying that they've had encounters, and I just said to them, hey,

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knew it, being an author interested in putting a book

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together about true encounters. If you wanted to reach out,

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then please message me. And gradually people started to over

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a couple of months, and I was shocked and surprised

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at just how many, and a lot of them didn't

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have good encounters since how as you'd expect. So I

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just said, that's so, I might do that again in

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the future. I'll get a few over from the last

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book that didn't make it in just due to you know,

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page count things like that. But there's plenty as you know,

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there's plenty of people out there with experiences that really

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change their lives.

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Speaker 1: Oh I definitely, yeah, I know that all too well. Unfortunately,

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for anyone listening who has had an encounter, we would

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like to reach out to you and share their encounter

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with you. What's the best way for them to do that.

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Speaker 2: They can do that via email luk at t jacobsat

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gmail dot com or visit my website which is Luk

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at Jacobs dot com.

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Speaker 1: Well, that makes it easy, and of course i'll post

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that information in the description for tonight's show that I'll

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make it really easy for anyone to find it later

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on after the fact. Well, sorry to interrupt you when

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you're sharing those experiences, those encounters. Would you mind sharing

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some more.

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Speaker 2: With this absolutely? Now, this one, this one's from Kentucky

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and it's titled poor Pause. I think that's how it's

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pronounced poor pause storing. How do yourl The name's Richard,

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and I've got a story that's been passed down from

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my poor Poor that still makes my hair stand on

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end every time I think about it. Porpoor was thirty

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years old when this happened, living on an old family

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property out in Kentucky. Now, it was a no nonsense

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kind of man, but this tale always left him with

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a haunted look in his eyes. It was a chilli

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four morning, and poor Porl had gotten up early, as

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he always did, to have his coffee before the sun

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came up. The first hints of dawn. We're just starting

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to creep over the horizon. He went to sit on

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his porch, enjoying the peaceful quiet of the morning, the

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kind that just the kind that makes you feel at

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one with the world. As he was sipping his coffee,

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he heard something that made him sit up straight. It

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was the sound of a baby crying, coming from down

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by the creek. Now, poor, poor, and neighbors, but they

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weren't that close, and this sound was too near for comfort.

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It was a haunting, gut wrenching cry that sent a

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ship chill right down to his bones. He sat there listening,

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trying to make sense of it. His heart was beating faster,

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00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,200
and he felt a mix of worrying and curiosity. The

473
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,759
sound was so out of place, so wrong, that he

474
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,319
couldn't just ignore it. But being a cautious man, he

475
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,720
decided to go back inside and grab his shotgun, just

476
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,599
to be safe. With a shotgun in hand, he headed

477
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,839
down towards the creek, following the crying sound. It closer,

478
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,880
he got, the sicker he felt. It was like his

479
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,759
stomach was tied up in knocks, and he started to

480
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:56,839
feel a deep sense of dread. He was about to

481
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,720
turn back when he saw a movement between two bushes.

482
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,319
What he saw next, Nellie, made him trip over his

483
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,839
own feet. There, crouched down between the bushes was a

484
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,279
black wolf. This was no ordinary wolf. It was making

485
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:15,680
the baby crying sound, and it looked like it was

486
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,720
a mixed It looked like it was mixed with a hyaena.

487
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,599
It spur was maddened and patchy, like it had madge.

488
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,759
The creature's eyes were cold and sinister, and it gave

489
00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:31,920
off a sense of malevolence that poor poor had never

490
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,000
seen before or never felt before. The sight of that

491
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,559
thing made his blood run cold. He was so shocked

492
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:42,599
and scared that he almost that he forgot about the

493
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,559
shotgun in his hands. All he could think about was

494
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,519
getting away from there as fast as he could. He

495
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:51,880
turned and ran back to the house once, not stopping

496
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,920
until he was back inside with the door shut tight

497
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,119
behind him. Poor Poort never saw that creature again, and

498
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,079
he was damned glad about it. It was a tough man,

499
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:06,160
not easily scared, but that night that morning left him

500
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,279
shaken to his call. He told the story many times,

501
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,680
always with the same haunted look in his eyes, and

502
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,880
it always creped the hell out of you when he did.

503
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:19,200
He never did figure out what the creature was or

504
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,759
why it was making that awful baby crying sound. Some

505
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,559
folks said it was a skin walker. Others thought it

506
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,920
might be some kind of evil spirit. Whatever it was,

507
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,000
it was something that didn't belong in our world. As

508
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:34,599
I sit here telling you all this story, I can

509
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,279
still see Paupauw's face lined with age and wisdom, his

510
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,119
eyes filled with the memory of that terrifying encounter. It's

511
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,720
a story that become a part of our family's law.

512
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,559
Are reminded that there are things out there that we

513
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,759
can't explain, things that can shake even the strongest of men.

514
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: He would shake me, oh definitely. When I've spoken with

515
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,119
eye witnesses, men have been embarrassed because of how frightened

516
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:06,759
they are about their encounter or encounters. And like I

517
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,920
tell them, I mean, even the toughest guys have been

518
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:13,319
just rattled to the core by their encounter or encounters.

519
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:17,160
There was a guy Episode ten had an eyewitness who

520
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:20,160
used to bear a knuckle fist fight, and not because

521
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,200
he wasn't very good at it either. He used to

522
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,720
bear a knuckle fist fight. And I think he's six

523
00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:27,559
foot four, six foot five, and he's like two seventy

524
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:31,599
two seventy five, and his encounter it just it shook

525
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,400
him to the core. And if his experience could rattle

526
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,799
a guy like that, is that strong and tough, then

527
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,440
I don't care who you are. You shouldn't be embarrassed

528
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,960
by your fear that was a direct result from your encounter.

529
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, that would have That would rattle me, just

530
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:55,799
as he said, just from hearing the story. It's creepy enough,

531
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,000
but leaving it something else that's next level. Oh.

532
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:05,079
Speaker 1: It definitely is no judgment here at LUCA. But do

533
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:07,400
you ever try to help eyewitnesses come to terms with

534
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,000
their encounters or do you just collect their encounters?

535
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: Well, this was the first time that I'd done it,

536
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:21,880
so and having no prior experience, I didn't think if

537
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,039
they'd asked for help, Absolutely I would have given it,

538
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:31,000
even if I didn't know how to help. But you know,

539
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,880
if it happens, if I do this again, the true

540
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,360
encounters one, I definitely try to help them and let

541
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,199
them know that hey, they wanted to talk about that

542
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,679
in more depth or need help looking for ways to

543
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,440
deal with it. Absolutely I would. But the ones I did,

544
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,039
they sort of just some didn't even leave their names.

545
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,239
They didn't want to be found and or anyone to

546
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,440
find out that they'd had this sort of experience. So

547
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,840
they sort of just dumped the story and that was it.

548
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,239
I couldn't reply to them or they wouldn't replied back,

549
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,960
and others. Yeah, I'm still in contact to this day

550
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:21,519
with We just chat about these sorts of things and yep,

551
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,480
some are willing and someone are not willing to talk

552
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:29,800
about it too much. They wanted out there. But that's

553
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,599
it sort of thing.

554
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: Well, I bet you'd be surprised if you knew how

555
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,719
many people you actually have help by doing nothing more

556
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,639
than just sitting there and listening to them sure their experiences.

557
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,119
I mean, for a lot of eyewitnesses, if you just

558
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:44,559
do that, that's a huge help.

559
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with anything in life, if like people, yeah,

560
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:54,239
they want to be heard. And when it's something like

561
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,880
this sort of topic that your eyes don't believe it,

562
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,280
you know, let alone your friend that you've told that

563
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,760
you've experienced this, you can hardly believe it. And it

564
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,719
takes a while for yourself to understand what you've seen.

565
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,960
So it would be a very high time for people

566
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:18,679
to go through. But yeah, except it's something like that,

567
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,079
Hey we're told it doesn't exist, yet it's right in

568
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:27,000
front of you. That would really that would stay your

569
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,360
mind up quite considerably.

570
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,199
Speaker 1: I think yes, it would. Like I tell eyewitnesses, ever

571
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,920
since you learned how to speak and comprehend language, it's

572
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,519
been hammered into your head that these guys don't exist,

573
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:43,159
that monsters don't exist. And one day when you find

574
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,400
out with your own two eyes, I guess what you've

575
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,719
been living alive. For a lot of people, that's just

576
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,199
too much to deal with. That's why they have so

577
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,039
much trouble coming to terms with their encounters. So yeah,

578
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,400
I mean that right there is why almost every ol

579
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:02,280
witness who has a huge problem coping they do. It's unfortunate.

580
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I've put a few others here. I'm just looking

581
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,360
for the best one. It's quite a big book, but

582
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:15,519
I could read one more of those, and then I

583
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:17,800
can jump across to the Night of the dog Man once.

584
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:18,599
Is that okay?

585
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: By all means, please take your time. The more the mirror.

586
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,119
Speaker 2: Alrighty, this one's called a strange Welcome, and this happened

587
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:32,559
in Missouri. Hey, my name's Bob, and I'm a country

588
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,800
boy from Tennessee. Now, I ain't never been one to

589
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,880
believe in UFOs or tall tales, but I got to

590
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,519
tell you something about something that happened to my wife,

591
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:44,400
Jenny and me when we moved to Missouri a few

592
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,360
years back. This story still makes the hairs on the

593
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,760
back of my next stand up, and I ain't one

594
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,880
to scare easy. Jenny and I've been married for about

595
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,800
ten years when we decided to pack up and move

596
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,119
to a new semi rural home in Missouri. The job

597
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,920
was rick real arcading us, and the thought of a

598
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,880
fresher start sounded good. The house was nice, a bit

599
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,679
old fashioned, but had plenty of charm, and it was

600
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,239
nestled in some beautiful countryside. We forged it to be

601
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,199
a peaceful place to settle down about a month. About

602
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:19,320
a month after we moved in, Jenny was outside one

603
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,519
Sunday afternoon hanging clothes on the line. I was inside

604
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,760
trying to fix the old creaky door that wouldn't stay shirt.

605
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,360
She hollowed at me to come out, but I was

606
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,599
too busy wrestling with the dog. Later, she told me

607
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,440
she thought she saw our neighbor's dog out in the

608
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,360
field a few hundred feet away. Something about it wasn't right.

609
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,519
She said it moved different, like its front legs were

610
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:47,159
too long. Roy, it was the strangest thing, she said

611
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,920
when she came back inside. That dog just didn't look great,

612
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:55,320
Probably just astray, I said, this is the country, after all.

613
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,199
A week went by and things were quiet, and one evening,

614
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,679
just before day, Jenny saw it again. This time it

615
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,960
was up on the hill and there were two of them.

616
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,039
One of them stood up on two legs, clear as day. Now.

617
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:13,119
I ain't never seen Jenny so scared. She came running inside,

618
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,679
white as ghost. ROYA saw it again and it stood

619
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,400
up like a person, she exclaimed, her voice shaky. I

620
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:23,440
laughed it off, thinking she was just spooped. You're sure

621
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,519
you didn't see a bear of something. Bears can stand

622
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:29,400
on there behind legs, you know, No, Roy, it wasn't

623
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,199
no bear. It was like a dog, but bigger and

624
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,880
just wrong, she insisted. Jenny, being the persistent woman ers,

625
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,599
decided to ask our neighbor about it. The next day.

626
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,639
She walked over and struck up a conversation. Missus Capello

627
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:48,639
was an older lady, been living there her whole life.

628
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,960
When Jenny mentioned what she saw, missus Copello got quiet,

629
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,519
real quiet. Haven't you knowsed people don't go outside after duk?

630
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,800
She finally said, given Jenny a look that chilled her

631
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,599
to the bone. Jenny came home even more rattled, and

632
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:08,920
I couldn't conceive the fear in her eyes. I tried

633
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,880
to reassure her, but deep down I was starting to

634
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,760
get a little uneasy myself. Over the next few months,

635
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,880
things got strange. We'd hear noises at nights at night,

636
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:23,719
like something moving around outside. It was saddle at first,

637
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,440
just rustling in the bushes or the occasional low growl,

638
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,480
but as time went on, the sounds got louder and

639
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:34,119
more frequent. One night, I swore I heard something scratching

640
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:37,079
at the back door. I grabbed my shotgun and went

641
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:40,960
to check, but there was nothing there. Jenny refused to

642
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,480
go outside after dark, and honestly, I couldn't blame her.

643
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,360
I started to feel like we are being washed, and

644
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,440
every little noise set me out on the edge. Our

645
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,440
peaceful countryside home had turned into a place of fear

646
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,159
and an uncertainty. Six months after we moved in, Jenny's

647
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,960
job relocated us again, and I can't say I was

648
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,079
sad to leave. The night before we packed up, I

649
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,960
went outside to get some are The moon was full

650
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:09,480
and the whole place was lit up like it was daytime.

651
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:13,199
As I stood there taking in the choir, I saw them,

652
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:17,039
those two creatures standing on the hill watching our house.

653
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,719
They didn't move, just stood there, as if to say goodbye.

654
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,159
I didn't tell Jenny about that last sighting. She was

655
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:27,079
scared enough as it was. We packed up the next

656
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:29,599
day and left, and I couldn't have been more elived.

657
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:34,519
That's crazy.

658
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,519
Speaker 1: It really is a shame that people have to have

659
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:38,880
experiences like this. It really is.

660
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,599
Speaker 2: Absolutely now the night of the Twelve Men ones. So

661
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,199
I'll read I think I've got a chapter hear from

662
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:53,599
the first one, and then I'll read a few chapters

663
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:57,239
from the third book. Okay, so the first chapter I'm

664
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,679
going to read here just gives the listeners an idea

665
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:07,480
of how it all starts. Okay, all right, A strange sighting.

666
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:12,400
Adam sat on his porch, the warmth of his coffee

667
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,519
mug cradled in his hands as he watched the sunrise

668
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:19,400
paint the sky in shades of pink and gold. Fled shoe.

669
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,719
His border Collie lay at his feet, contently gnawing on

670
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,599
a stick, unaware of the events about to unfold. The

671
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:32,000
wildlife of southern Missouri countryside stirred around him. The rustle

672
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:38,000
of leaves as DearS passed through the trees, the distant

673
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,840
call of a bobcat, the quick darting movement of a raccoon.

674
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,320
It was a scene familiar to Adam, a part of

675
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,760
the rhythm of his daily life. Excuse me. As Adam

676
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,639
sat on the porch, his mind wandered back to his past,

677
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,960
light reminiscing about the last time he felt truly contempt.

678
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:58,760
It was a vivid memory of the day spinner at

679
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,079
a water park with Amber and Laylor, just a week

680
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:06,480
before their untimely death. The joy's laughter and playful splashing

681
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,159
of his wife and daughter. They warmed his heart in

682
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:12,519
a way nothing else could. He cherished those memories of

683
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:16,079
his family, holding them close like precious treasures in the

684
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:20,480
depth of his soul. Adam was lost in thought, his

685
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:24,400
gaze unfocused, when something caught his eye, a dark figure,

686
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,679
squickly moving across the rolling hills in the distance. Initially

687
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,079
dismissing it as a trick of light or a mere

688
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:36,039
figment of his imagination, Adam's anes grew as to continue

689
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:41,039
to watch. A chill ran down his spine. Instinctively, Adam

690
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:44,679
reached for the binoculars he kept nearby, raising them to

691
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,920
his eyes and zooming in on the mysterious creature. It

692
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:52,320
resembled a large coyote or coy doc, its sleek black

693
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,400
fur glistening in the morning sunlight. But there was something

694
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,320
unsettling about it, something that filled at him with a

695
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,000
sense of dress. As the creature ran, Adam could see

696
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,000
the muscles rippling beneath its fur, the dog like muzzle,

697
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,400
and the large ears that marked it as a predator

698
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,280
of the wilderness. But it was what happened next that

699
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,679
caused his heart to skip a beat. The creature halted abruptly,

700
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,880
its gaze locking with Adams across the distance. Then, to

701
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,239
Adam's horror, it effortently rose onto two legs, displaying an

702
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,400
eerie sense of comfort in its posture. Time scene suspended

703
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,800
as Adam stared into the creature's dark, penetrating eyes, witnessing

704
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,639
it sniffing the air, Igniting a primal fear within him.

705
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,480
Adam couldn't believe what his eyes were seeing. What the

706
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,719
heck is a he whispered to himself. The weds barely

707
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,320
audible over the pounding of his heart. Its head resembled

708
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,199
a mix of a wolf and a German shepherd. Its

709
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:55,760
coat appeared christine thick and dark, lightly dark brown or black,

710
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,599
depending on my life. Even from afar, Adam noticed its

711
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:04,239
fur gently swaying in the breeze. Its muscular and powerful

712
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,239
body adorned with broad shoulders and sturdy legs. Its eyes

713
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:14,360
hazel or yellow, held a predatory gleam. Its elongolated muscular

714
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:20,000
arms culminated in razor sharp claws, exerting a menacing aura.

715
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,119
Despite the distance and lack of size comparison, Adam couldn't

716
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:28,559
discern the creature's immense size, And then as suddenly as

717
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:31,440
it appeared, the creature dropped back to all fours and

718
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:35,840
continued on its way, disappearing into the trees beyond. Adam

719
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,400
sat frozen on the porch, his mind reeling from with

720
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:43,320
disbelief and what he had just witnessed. Fletcher stirred at

721
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,480
his feet, sensing his master's on ease that Adam could

722
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,559
only stare off in the distance, his thoughts consumed by

723
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:55,320
the encounter, a feeling of foreboding and enveloped him like

724
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,239
a heavy shroud, darkening the once tranquil surround him, rose

725
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,840
from his seat and made his way inside. The image

726
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,000
of the mysterious creature burned in his mind as he

727
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,960
closed the door behind him. Questioned, lingered in his thoughts,

728
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:15,320
why did that animal make me feel so fearful like

729
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,840
I hadn't felt before? It looked like a werewolf? But

730
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:24,159
those aren't real. Despite his rationalizations, a lingering une Is,

731
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,159
settled in his cup, knew that something had changed, that

732
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:34,519
the tranquility of his solitary exsistence had been shattered by

733
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:37,679
the presence of something dark and unknown working in the

734
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,079
shadows of the southern Missouri wilderness. So that was the

735
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:47,599
first chapter of A Knight of the dog Man. And

736
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:53,800
then we've got and I'll just read now chapter one

737
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:02,960
of the third book, one that one's called Vengeance. That

738
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:08,239
her book. All right, this should spook a few listeners,

739
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,679
have spooked me writing it all right, Chapter one. The

740
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,440
headlights of the audi cut through the darkened landscape as

741
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:19,599
David and Sheila made their way home on Route sixty.

742
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:23,440
The day had been long filled with shopping in Springfield,

743
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:29,559
her favorite pastime. David, ever, the dutiful husband, trial trailed

744
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:32,840
by name to her in silence, his thoughts elsewhere as

745
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,519
she gleefully spent his money. He had grown accustomed to

746
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:40,480
her constant demands and complaints, so much, though, that her

747
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:44,559
voice became little more than background noise, easily tuned out.

748
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,920
Tonight was no different. They were nearing Willow Springs and

749
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,960
the clock on the dashboard glowed nine point thirty eight pm.

750
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:58,000
Sheila was in mid rant, the words sharp and accurate. Accuse, Yeah,

751
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:01,559
I'll give up on that word right now. But David's

752
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,280
responses were automatic. Yes the year, he muttered whenever she

753
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,320
passed for bread, Not really hearing what she said, his

754
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,920
mind wandered, contemplating the trap of his marriage and the

755
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,400
bitter reality that leaving would cost him everything he worked

756
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,480
for as if successful or of the daunts. She had

757
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:22,280
no respect for him, that much was clear, and though

758
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,760
he longed to be free, he knew the consequences would

759
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,119
be devastating. At least they never wanted kids, he k used.

760
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,199
As they approached a dark corner, he turned to her,

761
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,360
offering her a half hearted reply to whatever she was

762
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,519
complaining about, but the voice suddenly cut through the air

763
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,239
with a scream. Watch out. David snapped his eyes back

764
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,639
to the road, just in time to see something dark

765
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,719
and hulking appear out of nowhere, clipping the fright front

766
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,880
right of the car with a sickening thud. He slammed

767
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,199
on the brakes, the ardi, skipping to a stop on

768
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,719
the gravel shoulder. His heart pounded. Is you try to

769
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,119
comprehend what had just happened? What the hell are you doing?

770
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,400
He could he killed me? You idiot? Sill's voice for shrill,

771
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,079
her fear marked by anger. It was a dog or something.

772
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,280
I think I hit someone's doggy. Mother already opening the door.

773
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:18,519
Who cares? It's dark and freezing out there. Just leave it,

774
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:21,159
But he couldn't shake the feeling that he needed to

775
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,199
check it was still on the road. If it was

776
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,360
still on the road, it could cause another accident. Ignoring

777
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,519
her protests, David stepped out the cold night, air boning

778
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:34,320
at his skin. The only light came from his cell

779
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,920
phone as he cautiously moved to the back of the car,

780
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,239
scanning the area. His breath fogged in the chill, and

781
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,079
the silence of the night seemed to close in around him. There,

782
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,679
lying in the road, just behind the car, he saw

783
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,280
it at first, glanced it looked like a dock, mangy,

784
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:55,920
large and pitifully injured. It was dragging itself along the

785
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:02,800
ashfelt its legs twisted at unnatural angles. His heart ached

786
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,039
at the sight. He'd always loved dogs, which Sheeler would

787
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:09,679
never allow one in their home. Slowly, he walked closer

788
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,239
the beam of his phone like trembling as he took

789
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,679
in the steam, but as delightfully illuminated the creature, a

790
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,760
chill deeper than the night air seeped into his bone.

791
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,199
This dog was unlike anything he had never seen. It

792
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,159
was enormous, its body grotesque and mouth formed. Then it

793
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:34,199
stopped moving. David watched, paralyzed as the creature began to rise,

794
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,639
unfolding itself. He thought numbly. As it did, sickening sound

795
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,079
filled the night, like the cracking of bones, each snap

796
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:46,960
echoing in his ears and making his stomach drop. It

797
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,480
stood on two legs, towering over him. At nearly eight

798
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:54,199
feet tall, The once lipped form had transformed into a

799
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,559
monstrous figure, covered in thick, mattered fur that clung to

800
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:02,159
its powerful frame. Its legs were muscular and bent like

801
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:07,199
a dog's, ending in clawed canine feet that dug into

802
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:10,719
the earth with every step. The creature's hands were grotesque

803
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,360
and elonger, laid of fingers that ended in razor sharp claws,

804
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:19,960
perfect for tearing flesh. Its face was a nightmaris visage

805
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:25,280
of pure beasts, a long, looping, looping snout with roys,

806
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:30,039
with rows of gleaming sharp teeth, and ears that gloved

807
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:35,199
with glowed with the cold, calculating fogus. A pair of

808
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,440
pointed ears twitched it as it locked its gaze onto his,

809
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,039
its eyes narrowing with an intent, and meaty skin caraw

810
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,679
Then to his horror, he cocked its head and smirked,

811
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:52,119
the expression chillingly human on an otherwise monstrous face. Sheila's

812
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:56,599
impatient poise cut through the David's terror, her complaints growing

813
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:58,800
frantic as she braided him, be leaving her in the

814
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,119
car to the danger. But the creature's attention had already

815
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:07,239
shipped past David. Looking onto the car, its eyes gleamed

816
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,440
with the predatory hunger as it licked its chops, the

817
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:14,840
smoke twisting into something farm or sinister. His paralysis broke

818
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,719
and he spun around, head thudding, heart thudding in his ears,

819
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:22,400
But before he could take a step, searing pain exploded

820
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,480
through him as the beast leapt onto his back, Its

821
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,920
cows thinking deep into his shoulders and raking down his spine,

822
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,840
tearing through flesh and muscle. His screams pierced the night,

823
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,360
a raw, desperate sound that was abruptly cut short as

824
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,000
the creature, aching back up with the inhuman strength with

825
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:44,320
terrifying force, it slammed him against the car, the impact

826
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,639
shattering his ribs and setting a shock wave of pain

827
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:49,599
through his body. One of the broken ribs punched his

828
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:53,199
lung and gasped, choking on blood as it filled his

829
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,920
mouth his brain. His breath came in ragged, shallow bursts,

830
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,039
each one more labored than the last. And dog wasn't finished.

831
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:04,719
He cawed viciously at his chest, ripping through skin and muscle,

832
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:08,880
leaving deep, jagged wounds that oozed dark blood. The pain

833
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,719
was unbearable, but he screamed, had turned. His screams had

834
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,079
turned to wet gurgles. The blood filled his throat. He

835
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:18,239
slumped to the ground, dazed and barely conscious, his vision

836
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,519
dimming as the creature limped over him, emitting a rumbling

837
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,320
growl that reverberated through his entire body, a sound of

838
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,599
pure merciless mennace. Every breath he took was agony, his

839
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,159
body rapidly failing as the blood loss and internal injuries

840
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:38,239
overwhelmed him. He could feel his life slipping away, his

841
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,679
strength fading with each passing second. As the beach watched

842
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:45,519
with dark, evil eyes. Sheila's voice, when sharp with impatience,

843
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:48,760
was now frantic and tinged with fear. She hadn't yet

844
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,599
seen the full extent of the whole outside, but she

845
00:53:51,679 --> 00:53:55,599
said something was terribly wrong. The creature had already shifted

846
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:58,719
its attention to the car, its hunger evident in the

847
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,079
glint of its eyes that hepproached the passenger's side. She

848
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:05,320
didn't notice the beast until it was right beside her

849
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,159
the cup, Its blood sloped, blood soaked claws scraping the

850
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:12,480
metal as they placed a massive hand on the door.

851
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,320
The sound of the nail screeching against the steel made

852
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,119
her breath hitch in her throat. She slowly turned, her eyes,

853
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:22,679
drawn to the dark, crimson streaked talons that rested on

854
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,360
the window. A split second, confusion clouded her mind, what

855
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,440
is that? But when she followed the line of the

856
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,639
creature's arm upward, and her gaze locked onto the face

857
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,239
looming outside the glass. Terror searched through her like an

858
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,840
electric shock. The dog Man's hideous snout was inches from

859
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,199
the window, its breath flogging up the glass with eachick

860
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,599
sat Its eyes were locked onto hers, gleaming with a

861
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,519
manovolet intelligence that sent ice through her veins. Before Chiela

862
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:57,679
could even screen, the creature acted with terrifying strength that

863
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,519
drove its fist through the window, last shattering an explosion

864
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:05,000
of shards that glinted like dead, deadly stars in the

865
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:08,280
dim light. The suddenness of the attack stole the air

866
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,760
from her lungs, leaving her frozen in shock, and with

867
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,119
deliberate slowness, it reached inside its cause, closing around her

868
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:19,440
logan bies. She finally found her voice, but the scream

869
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:23,400
that tore from her throat was choked and desperate, the

870
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,880
sound of pure panic. She tried to fight, thrashing against

871
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,480
the creature's grip and now was clawing at its leathery skin,

872
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,280
but it was futile. The dog Men's strength was overwhelming,

873
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,760
its grip unyielding. With a sickening crunch, it yanked her

874
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,559
out of the car, her body hitting the ground with boone,

875
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:46,400
jarring sup David, still struggling to stay conscious. Her cheerle

876
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,800
of screams turned in with gurgling cries as the creature's

877
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,639
cause slashed through her flesh. The sound was a surreal

878
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:57,960
symphony of tearing skin and splintering bone, each note driving

879
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,360
deeper into its fading awareness. Blood scrape spread across the pavement,

880
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,920
painting the night in a gruesome display of violence. As

881
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,639
the darkness crept closer to him, david last sight was

882
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:13,480
the dog man standing over Shield's broken body. It's muscles

883
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:16,719
slick with her blood. The creature looked up. It's Gay's

884
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,039
meeting his and in that moment, David saw something that

885
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:24,519
Bady's blood, red blood run cold, a twisted satisfaction in

886
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:28,360
its eyes as it reveled in the horror it had unleashed.

887
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:32,639
Sorry about that, because I've got a cold. It might

888
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:35,679
have come off a little bit rushed.

889
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:39,679
Speaker 1: No, you did fine. I was just thinking about what

890
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,960
the character was going through. That's rough.

891
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tried to get it out before. Excuse me coughing.

892
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:50,159
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like I had told you before we went

893
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:53,400
on the air, it is wintertime down there in Australia,

894
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,840
so it's sloom cold season.

895
00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: Yep, everyone's got it. But yeah, David, he went through

896
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,840
the Ringer and that Chad in me.

897
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,119
Speaker 1: Yes he did. Yeah, that's a rough way to go out,

898
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,039
really rough, so that.

899
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:12,039
Speaker 2: One's not of the dog Man. So that series, so,

900
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:15,239
as I said, that's been the most popular. So if

901
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:20,159
people are interested in in the books, I'd love them

902
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,320
to check it out or send me a message if

903
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:23,920
they need to.

904
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: That'd be cool, so that everyone listening knows. Just to

905
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,960
remind you, I am going to post links to the

906
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:33,679
links that I mentioned before posting to make it really

907
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:37,480
easy to find Luca's books, to not only purchase them,

908
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:39,840
but also to contact her if you have an encounter

909
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,960
that you'd like to share with her. That'll make it

910
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,880
really easy that way. But now I've said that, are

911
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,639
you ready to answer some questions from the listeners?

912
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely great.

913
00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:55,159
Speaker 1: Well, the first one I'm going to put up there

914
00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,639
is from KRB, and KRB wants to know. She says,

915
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,639
I'm leading to the party. But are all these encounters

916
00:58:03,679 --> 00:58:05,079
primarily in ours?

917
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely not the majority the ones from the True Encounter's book,

918
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:18,599
they're North American. I don't believe I have any odds

919
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:24,800
ones whatsoever, not in the True Encounters one. So yeah,

920
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,800
I think that answers that one, doesn't it. I think

921
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,960
if she was referring to the true True Ones, yet.

922
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: That does answer it. I'm sure you've listened to several

923
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,840
of the encounters who have been on the show. Several

924
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,639
of the eyewitnesses from Australia who had encounters there came

925
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:42,039
on the show when sure their encounters, haven't you?

926
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:48,519
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, You've had one from up in Queensland, the

927
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:53,000
crumbin Valley. That one's freaking I've listened to that multiple

928
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:57,239
times and I always put people onto that one. And

929
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,960
I think there was another one in Perth. And there's

930
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:03,599
been a couple of years that you've done from Australia

931
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:06,840
and there was one actually, gentlemen, he took a photo

932
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,480
of one and that's about forty minutes from where I live.

933
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,800
So yeah, that was a little freaky finding how that

934
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:15,719
one was so close.

935
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,079
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, that is close.

936
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,079
Speaker 2: But no answering yet that question. There wasn't anything in

937
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:26,320
the in the True Encounter's book from oz No.

938
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:30,519
Speaker 1: All right, Well, the next question is from Bang Bang

939
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:32,880
and she wants to know. She says, might be a

940
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,320
dumb question, but did Luca have an encounter and she

941
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,840
already answered that bang bang, I think before you came

942
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,960
into the chat room. But yeah, she said she has

943
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,199
not had an encounter and hopes never to have.

944
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: No no thank you. If I could choose no, I

945
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:56,199
don't want one, no thanks I'd be live my life

946
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,039
quite happy never seeing one myself.

947
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,159
Speaker 1: Well, that's understandable. Like I said, I hope you never

948
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:06,320
do have one. The next one up is from Andre's Carizales,

949
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,800
and Andre's wants to know, out of all cryptids you researched,

950
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:13,360
which one do you think is most neutral to people.

951
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: I my opinion, saflich for sure, I think, and I

952
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,519
know a lot of other people believe this too, as

953
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:29,800
much as we can know about them, obviously. But the

954
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:33,039
dog Man comes off a bit more evil. It's more

955
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:36,840
evil intentions. It sort of I don't know. It gives

956
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:43,079
off this air of that it's it knows more than

957
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:49,199
it's letting on that. It's like it takes what's the

958
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:52,519
word I'm trying to explain that it Yeah, it just

959
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:58,079
enjoys making you terrified, and it knows it can make

960
01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:03,159
you terrified. Whereas from the account the thousands and encounters

961
01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:06,679
have listened to just on the podcast. You've got a

962
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,039
range of different ones from sasquatch, from just you know,

963
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,760
sightings to sort of, you know, somewhat friendly. But there's

964
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,559
been obviously the scary ones too, and I don't doubt

965
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:23,119
that there's versions of sasquatch out there that are really scary.

966
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,639
But Doug Man, it just even Yeah, I just think

967
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:33,360
sasquatch in answering that one quickly for ed would be, yeah,

968
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:34,840
the most neutral of all.

969
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand why you would say that because

970
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,480
he had dog me and don't have any soft edges.

971
01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:44,079
Speaker 2: No, not at all that they don't.

972
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: This next one is from Bang Bang. That's a great question.

973
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:51,719
She wants to know, Luca. Was there a specific encounter

974
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,519
you research that inspired the books?

975
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: Not really, and that is that is a great question,

976
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:05,920
thank you. It was what how it sort of started

977
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,320
and how I write, And Lord knows if anyone else

978
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,440
writes similarly similar to this. But I would find that

979
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:18,480
I always had since oh I can remember, I always

980
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:23,119
had trouble falling asleep, and that's why I was. I

981
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:26,159
got my sort of sleep patterns from when I did

982
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:29,119
live over in the States and come back and still

983
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:32,440
stay on the sort at the same time. But yeah,

984
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,039
I always have trouble sleep, and I spent about an

985
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:38,679
hour just thinking before I could eventually fall asleep. And

986
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:41,599
once I decided, okay, I'm going to write, well, I didn't.

987
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,800
It was before I decided writing. Really, I would just

988
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,239
think up these encounters in my head and like play

989
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,679
out the scenes, and then I think, about six months later,

990
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,360
it's when I decided I'm going to write about I'm

991
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,119
going to write a book. Let's try that. And and

992
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:03,320
I would think of the scenes in my head and go, okay,

993
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,320
all right, and then i'd obviously fall asleep in the morning,

994
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,639
I'd remember it, surprisingly and then write it out as

995
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:15,119
a chapter and just repeat it each not and eventually

996
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:18,559
yet I got the book. So yeah, I don't know

997
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:20,519
if anyone else does it that way, but that's just

998
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:23,880
how it seemed to work. And I would picture it

999
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,719
the scenes, what as what would scare me? What would

1000
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:32,559
scare me the most have happened, whether it be if

1001
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:35,679
I was driving a dark road at night, or if

1002
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,559
I was at home and I saw a face in

1003
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:40,480
the window. I mean, all of these things would easily

1004
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,679
scare me. But it was just yet, how would I

1005
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:48,199
react to it? And if that scared me, I thought, okay,

1006
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:50,920
surely it's going to at least scare one more person.

1007
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:53,360
So that's how I ran with it.

1008
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: Wow, that's got to be so convenient as an author,

1009
01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:00,960
to dream up these encounters in your sleep, in your dreams,

1010
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,199
and to be able to actually remember them when you

1011
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:05,440
wake up as so convenient.

1012
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: I don't remember much, but apparently I remember those, So

1013
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,159
I get a run with it while it's while it works.

1014
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, as well, definitely any advantage you can get. Carrie

1015
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,079
Carabia's next question for you. She wants to know, have

1016
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:26,519
you ever heard of an encounter where the creature had

1017
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:29,320
a back and forth with a witness by way of

1018
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:30,960
telepathy or otherwise?

1019
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: No?

1020
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: Out of I guess, out of all the encounters, I

1021
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:42,480
assent never, there wasn't sort of anything paranormal to that

1022
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:49,400
they like, there wasn't telepathy, There wasn't anything telepathic, and

1023
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,679
there wasn't anything about portals or anything. And that actually

1024
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,760
reminds me because I remember my sister had told me

1025
01:04:57,079 --> 01:05:02,920
when easy missus years ago, fifteen twenty years ago, it

1026
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:09,079
was down in Victoria in Australia and she was traveling

1027
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:13,039
with her husband. They were going to go see this

1028
01:05:14,199 --> 01:05:17,239
I don't know when landmark, and you had to hike

1029
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:20,800
to go see it. Well, she hiked up, they both

1030
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,880
of them hiked half way up the hill, and halfway

1031
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,760
up her I think maybe hernee or a hip was hurting.

1032
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:33,000
So she said she'll stop there, and her husband decided

1033
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:36,880
to go further on and actually see the landmark. So

1034
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:41,159
she waited there. She said, it was beautiful forest, you

1035
01:05:41,199 --> 01:05:43,920
know it was. The birds are chirping, all that sort

1036
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:48,960
of lovely stuff. And then she said, distance but not

1037
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:53,639
too far away. She heard this door close and it

1038
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,840
sounded like just this steel cooked door close in the

1039
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:01,800
middle of nowhere, and it wasn't like you I remember

1040
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,960
telling me about it back then. But and hopefully I've

1041
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,000
got the whole story right because she'll be listening. But

1042
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,840
that's pretty much it. And then when we were listening

1043
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,320
to the Encounters on here in a few other podcasts,

1044
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:21,519
that metal door gets mentioned a little, So I wonder

1045
01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:24,320
if it's got something to do with that. Is that

1046
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,360
a door to a poort or is it something else?

1047
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,440
Because it has been mentioned on it's that gentleman's name.

1048
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:36,119
He broke the book and terrible with names. Martin Groves.

1049
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:42,360
He yeah, he was on dog Man accounts I believe, wasn't.

1050
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,199
He told about his experience and he heard the doors

1051
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:49,559
too well, that large, metallic sounds. It's quite interesting but

1052
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:50,920
at the same time quite freaky.

1053
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: No, I've never had him on the show before. I've

1054
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,159
heard the album, but never have had a mine.

1055
01:06:58,239 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: Okay, So, yeah, he mentioned it a lot, and I

1056
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:03,840
had certainly heard it before from a lot of people,

1057
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,880
that that door is, yeah, something else, and I don't know

1058
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,960
what it is, but yeah, I didn't come across any

1059
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,239
of those sort of encounters myself known.

1060
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, talking about that metal door sound, it does make

1061
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,679
you wonder if they're being unleashed from underground or something.

1062
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:25,639
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's you know, and I don't sort of

1063
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:31,360
subscribe to that sort of belief that you know, they're

1064
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,559
paranormal or anything. But at the end of the day,

1065
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:37,599
I know nothing, So it's certainly possible. That's how I

1066
01:07:37,719 --> 01:07:41,360
see things. Anything's possible, So, yeah, who knows if if

1067
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,840
they're unleashed or they as some people believe they walk

1068
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,559
between the dimensions and that sort of thing. You never know.

1069
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:49,039
So as possible.

1070
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything is anything? Is this next one? This next

1071
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,280
question up for you is from Josie meng Kuhn, and

1072
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:02,000
her question is, Luca hear from experiencers that they have

1073
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:05,679
more terrifying encounters by the red eyed dog man as

1074
01:08:05,719 --> 01:08:07,719
opposed to the amber dog man.

1075
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I don't know. I would, excuse me,

1076
01:08:22,119 --> 01:08:27,439
I hear the amber more, and particularly from the encounters

1077
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:32,239
that were submitted, there were more Amber than red. I

1078
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:36,239
don't even know if there wasn't red, to be totally honest,

1079
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:41,039
So I would definitely say Amber more than more than

1080
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:45,600
any more than red, that's for sure. Yeah, that's a

1081
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,600
really good question. I'm going to have to look into

1082
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:48,239
that myself.

1083
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't have that many red eyed dog

1084
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,520
men being reported as being seen to you, then it's

1085
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,840
going to be hard to make a comparison. And I

1086
01:08:57,079 --> 01:09:01,520
really noticed any difference between the percentage of aggressive dog

1087
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,960
man encounters that involve red eyed ones versus zambra ones.

1088
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,319
It seems like it's basically a toss up.

1089
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all creepy to me anyways. But yeah, yeah,

1090
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,960
I'm gonna I'll look into it. But like, yeah, like

1091
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,119
you said, yeah.

1092
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: They are all creepy, that's for sure. The next one

1093
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,199
up is from KRB. She wants to know Luca if

1094
01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:28,840
any encounter has been positive.

1095
01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 2: Ever, not that I've come across, and that's what leads

1096
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,800
me into the well. The answer from the creevious question

1097
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,319
about which more do, I think it's more neutral, and

1098
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:45,640
I think it's asquatched because anything I've ever heard about

1099
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,760
dog man, and particularly those true encounters that have sent

1100
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:54,680
to me, it's just evil. It's it's not coming to

1101
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,840
pat me on the back, it's not coming to enrooch

1102
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:02,680
your life. Just have some sort of sinister way about them.

1103
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:09,520
So yeah, I don't know of any that have been

1104
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,640
positive or say, you know, someone's fallen into the water

1105
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,960
and the dog Man's helped them out. I've certainly never

1106
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:22,439
heard something along those lines. But you know, maybe maybe

1107
01:10:23,079 --> 01:10:25,600
I think when it comes to sasquatch, good, there's bad

1108
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,960
and there's ugly. Maybe there is with dog men, but

1109
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:34,039
because they look like the way they look, well, even

1110
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:37,520
if they're just standing there staring at you, you still

1111
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:42,239
have that feeling of evil regardless of what they're actually doing.

1112
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:47,239
Speaker 1: It's happened before where a dog man's done something that

1113
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,079
could be construed as being a positive thing maybe, but

1114
01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:54,039
never alltruistic or anything like that where it really went

1115
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:57,000
out of its way to help someone. So yeah, normally

1116
01:10:57,079 --> 01:11:02,239
that's just not the case. I agree, I do. Michigan

1117
01:11:02,319 --> 01:11:05,520
Mediater wants to know. Has anyone ever offered or shown

1118
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,800
you evidence great show? Thank you for your time.

1119
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 2: Luca, thank you. No, I actually is I do line

1120
01:11:16,119 --> 01:11:19,520
And it was only the other week or two ago.

1121
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:25,840
Not a dog Man. It was Yowie Actually Yowie proof.

1122
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,600
I've had a few and it's really cool that readers

1123
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,560
and the books have contacted me, and a few of

1124
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:39,640
them I've struck up friendships with, and you know, we've

1125
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,880
talked and they had mentioned that they did a few

1126
01:11:43,279 --> 01:11:47,239
trips out to the pillarger or wherever you know they've gone,

1127
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:53,720
and they've stepped through photos that they've taken of handprints

1128
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:59,039
on the car windows and footprints and things like that. So,

1129
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:06,439
in answering that question, yes, but dog Man, no, probably

1130
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,319
yet because you know, I'm not in the States. It

1131
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,359
probably cost a bit to sense if it was actually,

1132
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:18,560
you know, physical proof. But no, no, nothing from the

1133
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:19,720
States on dog Man.

1134
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,119
Speaker 1: Well, you just wait. It's probably a matter of time

1135
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:26,520
for people start sending you pictures at least in other

1136
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:27,520
evidence like that.

1137
01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm open to it. I keep an open mind

1138
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:37,399
on pretty much everything, always say things possible, So I'm

1139
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:43,000
always happy to talk with anyone and discuss more than

1140
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:43,720
happy to do that.

1141
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, it's probably just a matter of time.

1142
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,199
You just wait. Well, we've got time for one more question,

1143
01:12:52,359 --> 01:12:54,840
and I'm going to pop up a question from no

1144
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,199
More Fundland and they want to know what cryptids are

1145
01:12:58,319 --> 01:12:59,159
unique to Oz.

1146
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:06,119
Speaker 2: Well, we've got the Aoi, which is similar to which

1147
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:12,000
is pretty much Yes, that's quatch Bigfoot, which got well, apparently,

1148
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:15,119
we've also got dog Man that's seen quite a few times.

1149
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:22,600
It's the bun yip that's not mentioned much here anymore.

1150
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,920
What else have we got? I know on a straid

1151
01:13:28,039 --> 01:13:30,600
is going to be listening to this and saying, mention this,

1152
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,520
mention this. But I don't know of any others.

1153
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: Uh, tree bears.

1154
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 2: We tell tourists that drop bears and things like that,

1155
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,520
but they're really not real.

1156
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:49,359
Speaker 3: I know there is different versions of the OUI, smaller

1157
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,760
versions and things like that. I don't know there they're

1158
01:13:53,279 --> 01:13:57,079
lady names. So I won't try to mention that, but

1159
01:13:57,399 --> 01:14:01,800
there's different versions, different sizes and things like that. I

1160
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,560
think they're the main two things that we'd have in Australia.

1161
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,159
But you know, I know the States have got a

1162
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:14,239
heck of a lot more than we do. And then guess, yeah,

1163
01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:16,039
you've got a lot more people than we do too,

1164
01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:20,439
But yeah, only the two that i'm and the main

1165
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,279
twur would be get Yowie and dog man.

1166
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: Are you sure you don't really have drop beers and

1167
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,359
flying spiders down there? Be honest?

1168
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Speaker 2: Now, I can honestly say there's no such thing as

1169
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a drop bear and flying spiders maybe if it's really windy,

1170
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,359
although you know, and people will say when I go across,

1171
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like when I've lived in the States, they'd be like, oh,

1172
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you come from Australia. You live with the deadliest animals.

1173
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And I'm like, oh my gosh, no, no way. You know,

1174
01:14:55,279 --> 01:14:58,680
there's nothing that would kill you out in me bush

1175
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,000
here like that. It doesn't feel like the wilderness to me.

1176
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But when I go there, you've got bears, you've got

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mountain lions, wolves, which are all absolutely one fascinating to me,

1178
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and that's why I traveled there a lot. But the

1179
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American woods would kill you faster than the Australian woods.

1180
01:15:23,279 --> 01:15:26,079
But having said that, my mum had was bedden by,

1181
01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:31,479
the most dangerous spider in Australia when we were kids,

1182
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and you know, that got us a lot of interest

1183
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:42,560
from our friends at school. Mom had to take the bike,

1184
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:48,479
so we got popular at school. But who you've very

1185
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,720
rarely see them. So yeah, I'd be more worried in

1186
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,199
the woods in the States than I would be here,

1187
01:15:54,319 --> 01:15:55,039
that's for sure.

1188
01:15:56,359 --> 01:16:02,039
Speaker 1: Well, I mean opinions very when you think about saltwater

1189
01:16:02,119 --> 01:16:06,800
crocs and fear snakes and the funnel webs you have

1190
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,359
and all the other goodies you have there, brown snakes, yeah,

1191
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,199
I think I'd rather take my chances over here.

1192
01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, but the crocs say they're up top

1193
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,159
north of Queensland. They nowhere, knar me. And I mean

1194
01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:23,720
I went to Santa Belle Island in Florida. I couldn't

1195
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:28,239
understand how people lived with alligators grabbing around. It was

1196
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,760
just mud boggling to me. And they're like, you come

1197
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:33,600
from Australia. I'm like, yeah, but we don't have to

1198
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:37,039
walking around in the street like that's just the next

1199
01:16:37,119 --> 01:16:40,079
level to me. So Yeah, it's just different. How Yeah,

1200
01:16:40,119 --> 01:16:44,520
everyone opinions different from what's dangerous and what's not.

1201
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it is. It's all a matter of

1202
01:16:48,039 --> 01:16:51,680
what you're used to. That's all that matters. That's right,

1203
01:16:52,319 --> 01:16:55,600
that's right. Well, Luca, I can't thank you enough for

1204
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,159
coming on and telling us about your books and sharing

1205
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:00,560
those encounters with us. I really appreciate it.

1206
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 2: I appreciate the opportunity, Vick. Can I do apologize if

1207
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:10,800
my call came across liam stories, but I did my

1208
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,439
best and I thank you everyone for listening.

1209
01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: Oh you did well. You didn't leave us wanting, so

1210
01:17:17,359 --> 01:17:22,039
please don't apologize for anything. But having said that, thanks

1211
01:17:22,079 --> 01:17:25,000
again so much for your time, and again everyone listening.

1212
01:17:25,039 --> 01:17:28,399
If you want to find the links for visiting Luca

1213
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,239
or actually sharing your encounter with Luca, if you've had

1214
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:33,800
an encounter that you want to share with her, if

1215
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,000
you want to find the link where you can go

1216
01:17:36,079 --> 01:17:39,119
to purchase her books, just check out the description for

1217
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:42,319
tonight's show and I'll have those posted there. But like

1218
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:44,560
I said, thanks again so much for your time Luca,

1219
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,600
and I hope you have a great I guess it's

1220
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,600
morning there, so I shouldn't say great night. Hope you

1221
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:50,239
have a great day.

1222
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,159
Speaker 2: Thank you, Vick can take care.

1223
01:17:54,039 --> 01:17:58,359
Speaker 1: Oh you're welcome. We'll see again. I can't thank you

1224
01:17:58,399 --> 01:18:01,319
all for listening enough and for supporting the eyewitnesses the

1225
01:18:01,359 --> 01:18:03,840
way you do. Like I've told you countless times, it

1226
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,000
means more than you're ever gonna know. And an important

1227
01:18:07,039 --> 01:18:10,520
note so that you know. Recently I published I released

1228
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:14,680
two new collections in the Dogman Encounters store. I published

1229
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,119
the Beer Wolf Collection and also a new collection called

1230
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,880
It's the Bump in the Night Collection. If you go

1231
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,439
to the description for tonight's show, you'll find a link

1232
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,800
to the store there. If you don't want to check

1233
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,479
out the description for tonight show to get that link,

1234
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,199
it's really easy to find it in a different way.

1235
01:18:32,359 --> 01:18:35,920
Just go to Dogmandecounters dot com and then the navigation

1236
01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:38,640
menu that drops down. You'll find a link to the

1237
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,039
store there. That makes it really easy either way. But

1238
01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:44,960
if you've had an encounter with a dog man and

1239
01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:47,479
would like to speak with me about it and private

1240
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,119
or on the show, please go to Dogmandecounters dot com

1241
01:18:51,119 --> 01:18:53,600
submit a report, and if you do that, then I'll

1242
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:58,159
contact you and we'll schedule a time to talk. But everyone,

1243
01:18:58,399 --> 01:19:01,359
thanks again so much for listening, Have a great weekend.