Speaker 1: Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week
Speaker 1: covering the twenty seventeen film Alien Covenant.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Spacing Out.
Speaker 3: I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Speaker 3: Alien franchise. One movie at the time that the moment
Speaker 3: of this recording, Alien Covenant, is available to stream on Hulu.
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Speaker 3: covered things like Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek Our Flag Means
Speaker 3: Death over one hundred episodes, and since we're wrapping up
Speaker 3: Alien here, we're going to be moving on to some
Speaker 3: other things. So this is the last Alien movie to
Speaker 3: date that we are covering. Our coverage of Alien Romulus
Speaker 3: is already out, so we won't be spoiling that movie
Speaker 3: in case you're watching for the series the first time,
Speaker 3: but any talk of Alien Romulus will be kept through
Speaker 3: as spoiler section at the end of the podcast. Although
Speaker 3: thinking about it right now, I don't really know if
Speaker 3: any reason to talk about Romulus.
Speaker 2: I can think of some.
Speaker 3: Okay, then maybe well we will have a spoiler section,
Speaker 3: but all the other films are fair game for us
Speaker 3: to discuss. And I also want to mention that the
Speaker 3: TV series Alien Earth is set to release sometime in
Speaker 3: the first half of twenty twenty five, so we will
Speaker 3: plan to cover that when it drops on FX slash Hulu.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: There's also a chance that we might pop in with
Speaker 3: an episode looking at the web series Alien Isolation. And
Speaker 3: there's also some short films that came out over the
Speaker 3: last few years that I don't know if we'll look
Speaker 3: at those, but I've heard good things about Isolation, so
Speaker 3: that might come up in the feed between now and then.
Speaker 2: Is that like on YouTube?
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure where to find it.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it is if it's a web series. Yeah. So,
Speaker 3: Alien Covenant premiered on May fourth, twenty seventeen, written by
Speaker 3: John Logan and Dante Harper, story by Jack Paglan and
Speaker 3: Michael Green, and directed by Ridley Scott. In this movie
Speaker 3: in twenty one oh four, almost eleven years after the
Speaker 3: ill fated expedition in Prometheus, the Deep Space Colonization Vessel USCSS,
Speaker 3: Covenant is on course for the remote planet to for
Speaker 3: Guy six, Carrying over two thousand colonists in cryogenic hibernation,
Speaker 3: they seek to build a new world. Instead, a rogue
Speaker 3: transmission entices the crew to a nearby habitable planet that
Speaker 3: resembles Earth. But nothing can prepare the ambitious crew for
Speaker 3: another disaster and uncharted territory. As the peaceful exploratory operation
Speaker 3: turns into a frantic rescue mission. Biological foes beyond human
Speaker 3: comprehension threatened the future before it has even begun, and
Speaker 3: the depths of space terror reveals its hideous face.
Speaker 2: Wow, how poetic.
Speaker 1: Vibe check? Did we like the movie overall? How does
Speaker 1: it stend to Test of Time?
Speaker 2: I liked it. It was a slow, very slow start,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of boring and weird, and then
Speaker 2: the James Franco isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: And like we just immediately laughed as soon as we
Speaker 2: saw Franco, but.
Speaker 3: Because he dies, and then they're like, oh that was
Speaker 3: James Franco.
Speaker 2: He was on fire. Oh okay, uh yeah, rocky start, interesting,
Speaker 2: middle good envy, so we're all good.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah. I like this one as well. I think
Speaker 3: it probably falls somewhere in the middle of the alien movies.
Speaker 3: For me, we'll do an actual ranking later in that episode,
Speaker 3: so we'll do that. But you know, there's there's aspects
Speaker 3: of this that kind of tied to Prometheus I don't
Speaker 3: really like. I don't like the story elements about creation
Speaker 3: and the creation of the aliens and the creation of
Speaker 3: mankind and all that, Like, I don't love that, and
Speaker 3: this movie is kind of stuck in that story. And
Speaker 3: then there's also this, like I guess I hear it
Speaker 3: called de mystification, where like, you know, there's things about
Speaker 3: a movie that are mysterious or a character that's mysterious,
Speaker 3: and then a prequel comes along and just explains everything
Speaker 3: about them, and it kind of ruins all the intrigue
Speaker 3: and everything that you had. Like I think the movie
Speaker 3: Solo was a good movie, but it explained everything about
Speaker 3: Han Solo, so he's not as interesting as a character.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of doing that with the Aliens. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's what I don't like about a lot of prequels,
Speaker 3: and this has that all over it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's something to the mystery of this
Speaker 2: weird creature, and like, thinking of past movies, I like
Speaker 2: the idea of it evolving on its own. I think
Speaker 2: the theory of evolution is so powerful, and they like
Speaker 2: take it away and it's like this god complex is
Speaker 2: inserted and it's so try. Like what's the word trite?
Speaker 2: Is that the word.
Speaker 3: Something that is overused and lacking originality or freshness?
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, just I don't like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that that is also a good
Speaker 3: word for some of the movie because it repeats a
Speaker 3: lot of plot elements from the previous movies. Yeah, he had,
Speaker 3: you know, the aliens on the ship at the end,
Speaker 3: the android is a bad guy. There's just like several
Speaker 3: things throughout it that are they don't seem to play
Speaker 3: as like homages, so they're just like competing the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but despite that, I still think it was good. There
Speaker 3: was good tension throughout the movie. Like I was never
Speaker 3: very bored. You said the beginning was slow, but I
Speaker 3: found it intriguing. The action at the end I thought
Speaker 3: was really good. Like the whole third act was like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the th third act was really good. And
Speaker 2: then like Danny wick Bride is in it, Like.
Speaker 3: What so, Yeah, I think it's a huge step up
Speaker 3: from Prometheus.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's better than Prometheus. I like it a lot,
Speaker 2: I honestly do.
Speaker 3: It feels way more like an alien movie than that did,
Speaker 3: like in terms of the tone and the visuals, like.
Speaker 2: It cure itself. Yeah, I feel like the David character.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just I never liked David, and
Speaker 2: I wish that they would have kept the other guy,
Speaker 2: Matthew or whatever his name was, Walter Walter, Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was cool. I liked Walter or the fact that they
Speaker 2: like cut to like us not finding out who is
Speaker 2: on the ship, like, let us know, show us the
Speaker 2: androids having it out.
Speaker 3: Okay, well yeah, so we'll dig into that.
Speaker 2: And okay, okay, okay, yeah trivia trivia trivia. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: like the movie. It was a good movie. I would
Speaker 2: watch it again.
Speaker 1: Trivia time. What facts could be uncovered for Alien Covenant?
Speaker 3: All right? So, prior to the release of Prometheus in
Speaker 3: twenty twelve, director Ridley Scott began hinting at the prospects
Speaker 3: of the sequel, as Prometheus has left many questions unanswered,
Speaker 3: and early on, Scott stated that the film would feature
Speaker 3: Nosenamore says he wanted to focus on David eight, whose
Speaker 3: ai was the new Alien life form, but feedback on
Speaker 3: Prometheus caused him to change course, so.
Speaker 2: He hinted that there wasn't going to be a monster.
Speaker 2: But then he took a note.
Speaker 3: I feel like you can see in this movie. In
Speaker 3: both these movies, like he really wants to focus on
Speaker 3: the androids and not the aliens.
Speaker 2: Which is weird because they're so hollow. Yeah, like, I
Speaker 2: think today that movie would have been interesting with the
Speaker 2: AI technology that we have today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting that he really dialed in on AI
Speaker 3: before it became such a hot topic. Yeah, knew me Rapace.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm saying her name right. That's
Speaker 3: who plays Elizabeth Shaw and Prometheus, And she'd spent a
Speaker 3: week shooting scenes which do not appear in the film.
Speaker 3: I don't know what those are. And I couldn't really
Speaker 3: find any information as to why they out cut her
Speaker 3: from the film, didn't include her, Like, was it whose
Speaker 3: decision that was or anything like it Just it's weird
Speaker 3: because I feel like they could have had her in
Speaker 3: the movie, even with the same general storyline, Like she
Speaker 3: could have been a part of it in some way.
Speaker 3: The film was shot in New Zealand, Australia, in the
Speaker 3: US and the UK, and the run up to release,
Speaker 3: twentieth Century Fox released a number of short prolog films
Speaker 3: as part of the marketing for Alien Covenant. There was
Speaker 3: a one called prologue Last Supper, which features the crew
Speaker 3: of the Covenant having a last meal before they entered
Speaker 3: cryo sleep. The second prologue was called The Crossing and
Speaker 3: reveals what happened to Elizabeth Shaw and the android David
Speaker 3: following the ending of Prometheus. So I guess she does
Speaker 3: appear in that short wherever that is. And then another
Speaker 3: one was called Meet Walter, which was a fictional advertisement
Speaker 3: for the Walter series of androids. The film was novelized
Speaker 3: by author Alan Dean Foster, who also wrote a novelization
Speaker 3: for the first Alien movie, and he also wrote a
Speaker 3: prequel novel to Alien Covenant called Alien Covenant Origins. Budget
Speaker 3: was ninety seven million, the box office revenue was two
Speaker 3: hundred and forty million.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 3: And it was considered a box office disappointment, and it
Speaker 3: brought in way less than Prometheus. Prometheus I think was
Speaker 3: almost five hundred million.
Speaker 2: Wow, And I would call it the superior film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, our reception of it, I think is
Speaker 3: higher than like what you see on Rotten Tomatoes and
Speaker 3: stuff like Prometheus is rated higher by critics and pretentious
Speaker 3: fuck yeah, so yeah. Critical reception was mixed, but somewhat positive.
Speaker 3: Praise went to the visual style and horror elements, as
Speaker 3: well as Michael Faspener's performance. Criticism went towards the script,
Speaker 3: the reuse of old plot devices, and the movies attempt
Speaker 3: to blend horror with philosophical themes. Ridley Scott originally planned
Speaker 3: two sequels to Prometheus, leading into the first Alien film.
Speaker 3: He later stated that Covenant would be the first of
Speaker 3: three sequels to Prometheus. A script was written during production
Speaker 3: of Alien Covenant and was set to go into production
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, but it faced delays, partly due to
Speaker 3: the box office under performance of Alien Covenant. Then, after
Speaker 3: Disney purchased twentieth Century Fox, they announced the development of
Speaker 3: more Alien films. This led to the production of Alien Romulus,
Speaker 3: and it remains unclear if more Bridley Scott's prequels will
Speaker 3: be made, so that cliffhanger ending might never be resolved.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't care. It's just a bunch of colonizers, right.
Speaker 1: Deep space dive, Let's break down some of our thoughts
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Speaker 2: What else is Michael Fastbender in Familiar looking as a
Speaker 2: as a robot?
Speaker 3: He's in some of the X Men frequels. He's Magneto,
Speaker 3: the young Magneto. He also played Steve Jobs in Steve Jobs.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that. If it's not sci fi, it's
Speaker 2: not on my radar. But he looks like an like
Speaker 2: a fucking robot? What a robot face?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did a good job playing those two robits.
Speaker 2: He really did. I think he did a great job.
Speaker 3: You know, one thing, it's starting out of order here,
Speaker 3: but like one thing that I feel like was a
Speaker 3: misstep of him with David cutting his hair so early
Speaker 3: in the movie, because that kind of tips you off
Speaker 3: that they're going to switch places.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have. It would have been cool if
Speaker 2: he would have waited.
Speaker 3: And it also just made it harder to keep track
Speaker 3: of who's who because.
Speaker 2: They they looked so the same.
Speaker 3: They were both kind of wearing grayish outfits. I know
Speaker 3: they're different. One was a hoodie in one but.
Speaker 2: And then like the only difference was Homeboy was missing
Speaker 2: a hand, but his hand wasn't in the shout like
Speaker 2: eighty percent of the time. Yeah, so I couldn't tell
Speaker 2: you which one was which.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I didn't care much for that opening
Speaker 3: scene in the white room, but jumping past that, what
Speaker 3: an awful way to wake up from cryo sleep with
Speaker 3: that emergency going off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would suck. I felt like it was really
Speaker 2: sudden how we got to the ship and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, everyone's waking up and people are dying, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care. I don't care about any
Speaker 2: one of these motherfuckers. I don't know them, I haven't
Speaker 2: met them, I don't like them. There's nothing about this
Speaker 2: that gives me like feelings, Like all that time they
Speaker 2: spent introducing the rule, but they could have built up community.
Speaker 2: They could have done that last supper thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was just thinking, Like that scene
Speaker 3: might have done well at the beginning.
Speaker 2: Of the bu especially if you want to pay homage
Speaker 2: to the original, Like I feel like the original had
Speaker 2: that scene they get out of cryo sleep and they're
Speaker 2: all sitting around that white table eating. Yeah, like you
Speaker 2: could have done that. But you had to give the
Speaker 2: robot a part where he plays the piano, okay, choices,
Speaker 2: I don't know. So that was like going from that
Speaker 2: sterile white room. The creation of David annoying, and the
Speaker 2: fact that he names himself after a fucking statue, like boring.
Speaker 2: You don't even know like King David or any of
Speaker 2: that shit, Like you're just David because you know Michael Angelo,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, I think a sculpture is pretty cool,
Speaker 2: So I want to be named after this big naked guy.
Speaker 2: He's lucky he didn't have like a different painting or sculpture.
Speaker 2: He could have been like the thinker.
Speaker 3: What other like things could he have in there? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 3: So they killed James Franco with whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't even know it's James Franco. It's just
Speaker 2: some random dude in a pod that's on fire and
Speaker 2: everyone's upset about it. Apparently it was the captain. We
Speaker 2: don't care, we don't know him. And then later we
Speaker 2: watch videos of him on the side of a mountain
Speaker 2: laughing like James Franco and we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: that's fucking James Franco that died, and like that shot
Speaker 2: that they all took, and that in his memory was
Speaker 2: lame because we didn't know who he was and like
Speaker 2: the second in command had a big chip on his shoulder.
Speaker 2: We don't understand that either. Like, none of these relationships
Speaker 2: are adding up to me anyway. I just they're not
Speaker 2: adding up. They're like, I don't care boohoo, I'm in
Speaker 2: charge now and they don't respect my authority. And I
Speaker 2: don't want them to mourn the loss of a leader.
Speaker 2: What a weirdo. I was happy to see him die, honestly.
Speaker 2: I did feel bad for him at one moment when
Speaker 2: they were like on the planet. Oh, but I like
Speaker 2: the way that they fixed the sale. That was really
Speaker 2: cool and epic. Yeah, Danny McBride was out in space
Speaker 2: doing his thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone you didn't expect to be in this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And he didn't really do like comic relief either. I mean,
Speaker 3: he was a little eccentric, but yeah, he's like.
Speaker 2: A character actor for sure, but he wasn't like a clown.
Speaker 2: It was weird that they had so many couples, right.
Speaker 2: I guess it makes sense if you're going to colonize,
Speaker 2: you want people to be procreating, But it was weird.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many couples you meet at work,
Speaker 2: but it's always weird to meet people that work together
Speaker 2: and couple. But I guess they're colonizers. It's weird. It's
Speaker 2: like they're on a cruise ship that's going to land
Speaker 2: and they're going to terraform something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that scene at the very end, the shower scene,
Speaker 3: I'd like totally forgotten that those who were a couple
Speaker 3: like that just seemed to come out of nowhere. Else.
Speaker 2: Well, it's weird because Jesse small Lette is like known
Speaker 2: to be queer, so seeing him making out with a
Speaker 2: woman and like rubbing her back and stuff is like weird.
Speaker 3: And then this tentacle comes on the scene and.
Speaker 2: Then it gets kinky. But it was kind of fun
Speaker 2: to see him die because he's done some sketchy stuff.
Speaker 3: That scene felt like more of a classic horror movie
Speaker 3: than an alien movie.
Speaker 2: It definitely pandered to the horror audience who loves to
Speaker 2: see titties on screen for no reason. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: that one was definitely And it was weird that it
Speaker 2: was so late in the film that they did that, yep,
Speaker 2: because usually you know, it's like ten minutes in and
Speaker 2: there's a nude scene. What's going on? Why so weight?
Speaker 2: My pants are already unzipped. What the hell I have
Speaker 2: to wait that long?
Speaker 3: So they got a distress call or a mysterious signal
Speaker 3: like yes from another.
Speaker 2: There, they got a radio signal from a singer singing,
Speaker 2: John Denver, take me how West Virginia. I would have
Speaker 2: been like, turn left, so'll go.
Speaker 3: Let's not go there, Let's see what the other planets
Speaker 3: are singing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't sound right to me.
Speaker 3: But no, they're like, hey, there might be a party there,
Speaker 3: so let's go check that out, which also is like
Speaker 3: a page out of the first movie where they go
Speaker 3: to investigate a signal and our lead heroin Daniels is
Speaker 3: of course saying it's a bad idea and doesn't get
Speaker 3: listened to, which also sounds familiar.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and then when they go out and get sick,
Speaker 2: and then they're coming back, nobody knows quarantine procedures. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, we're back to square one. Yep, and
Speaker 2: god damn it, in this post pandemic world, I am
Speaker 2: tired of seeing people not know what to do in quarantine.
Speaker 2: That guy was coughing all over that bitch, and she's like,
Speaker 2: let me in, let me in. I'm like, no, we're
Speaker 2: staying outside. If somebody gets sick on a foreign planet,
Speaker 2: you don't say here, let me get fucking three inches
Speaker 2: from your face and help you up. You say, stay here,
Speaker 2: let me get the bubble.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this a movie about a airborne contagion, plays a
Speaker 3: little differently post COVID.
Speaker 2: It really does. And I wish we would have explored
Speaker 2: the alien form that came from those sporelike vessels, because
Speaker 2: that is interesting. That is fucking terrifying. The face hugger
Speaker 2: is physical, you can see it, you can shoot at it.
Speaker 2: But this like vapor that gets in your ears and
Speaker 2: nose and can go into your bloodstream and infect you.
Speaker 2: That is scary. I wish they would have explored that more.
Speaker 2: They would like there was no like thinking either. They
Speaker 2: weren't like, oh my god, it's in the spores. They
Speaker 2: never talked about it again. It never came up. It
Speaker 2: never like just it was like forgotten, like e raised
Speaker 2: from their minds that these two people got stick out
Speaker 2: of nowhere, and the robots like, oh you'd know by now, Like, bitch,
Speaker 2: I hain't trust in you. I don't know you.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it kind of moves on to the aliens
Speaker 3: that we know, because yeah, yeah, I guess the contagion
Speaker 3: was on that Prometheus ship and it exploded out and
Speaker 3: they were these humanoid character creatures on the planet.
Speaker 2: Those were the creators from Prometheus. They look they had
Speaker 2: that funky nosebridge going on, and they thought that it
Speaker 2: was like Homeboy coming home after he infected the humans. Maybe,
Speaker 2: but then David unleashes the contagion all over them, and
Speaker 2: it's I think that could have also been done a
Speaker 2: little more like dramatically, like taking their time with it
Speaker 2: instead of just like a flash that they showed. Like
Speaker 2: I wish we could have seen the evolution of the planet,
Speaker 2: like the way it turned into like all these creatures
Speaker 2: just running around too, because it could. It caught everything right,
Speaker 2: like there's wheat, so there might be cows, there might
Speaker 2: be other creatures that got like overrun, and David is
Speaker 2: the only one that's not a creature. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just like, if you want to tell the story
Speaker 2: like that, like let's see it, it's show, not tell.
Speaker 2: That's that's why you make movies. It gave Pompeii vibes, though,
Speaker 2: you know, what I mean. So POMPEII was this volcano
Speaker 2: that erupted, and it was so quick with the ash
Speaker 2: and the that it like froze everybody in time. And
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of what it was giving, with all
Speaker 2: of the frozen like creature, like the creators frozen in
Speaker 2: time of their like chests exploding and shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one guy, the first one that got infected,
Speaker 3: it burst out of his back instead of his chest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then when that Danny McBride's wife shut them both
Speaker 2: in that room, even though she clearly had blood all
Speaker 2: over herself. Selfish, selfish, she should have left herself in
Speaker 2: that room with them and said we're staying in here
Speaker 2: until we figure it out. Rude, messed up. Nobody knows
Speaker 2: quarantine rules. And then she's like, just go to the
Speaker 2: med bay and don't touch anything on your way out.
Speaker 2: They're knocking around, touching every single surface. So if it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's like, obviously not cool. I've seen
Speaker 2: movies where it's in the blood and if you like
Speaker 2: touch the blood, you'll get sick. And when that guy's
Speaker 2: back burst into her face, she would she's a goner.
Speaker 2: She's a gonner, and I wish it was like that,
Speaker 2: because as she was on fire, it would have been
Speaker 2: fucking dope if if a creature burst out of her
Speaker 2: just a little just more like gore and blood and tragedy.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna go there, go there.
Speaker 3: There were times in the movie that the Aliens had
Speaker 3: a CGI looked to them. They're like, they weren't quite
Speaker 3: like photo realistic. No, yeah, and just thought that was
Speaker 3: interesting because this is pretty recent in twenty seventeen, Like,
Speaker 3: I was all surprised that they had that kind of
Speaker 3: uncanny look to them at times.
Speaker 2: I think the ones that were most like that were
Speaker 2: the ones that were more humanoid, especially the little one
Speaker 2: that popped up and got up and like copied David,
Speaker 2: that one definitely didn't feel.
Speaker 3: And it didn't look like it did in the first
Speaker 3: Alien movie, right, like no, no.
Speaker 2: But the first Alien movie Alien sucked. You could tell
Speaker 2: it was a guy in a black jumpsuit. It was
Speaker 2: not good. The best part of that film is the
Speaker 2: chest burst and Sigourney like figuring out how to get
Speaker 2: rid of this fucker. Like it's all about Sigourney and
Speaker 2: the crew trying to survive this one is about the
Speaker 2: creation of the creature and how it's going to be
Speaker 2: the fall of mankind or something like that. You can
Speaker 2: tell that's kind of the broad strokes of it. And
Speaker 2: this white woman just happens to be at the center
Speaker 2: of it. Again, Like, if there's anything consistent, it's that
Speaker 2: there's a white woman in the center.
Speaker 3: So yep, if it ain't broke, I don't know, it's.
Speaker 2: Just like I said, it's trite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the end the Prometheus, like we send elizabetha
Speaker 3: off and we don't follow up on that story.
Speaker 2: We kill her like we killed Sigourney in that one
Speaker 2: movie too, like, oh, well, we're done with you, so
Speaker 2: you're gonna die in hyperspace or whatever. You're not gonna
Speaker 2: make it or not. So Gourney the little.
Speaker 3: Girl, Yeah, Newt.
Speaker 2: And the she went the way of Newt. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then at the end of this movie where since
Speaker 3: it sounds like we're not going to have a sequel
Speaker 3: to this or anymore, like release got ones following up
Speaker 3: on this, so.
Speaker 2: I don't need one. I don't care about this, like
Speaker 2: it doesn't. I don't know any of the colonists. They're
Speaker 2: just like pods. They're pod people, like I don't feel
Speaker 2: any emotion about them, like if they would have built
Speaker 2: a world where like they like imagine a scene from
Speaker 2: Titanic where you have a bunch of people getting on
Speaker 2: the ship, getting in there into their ship, going on
Speaker 2: this voyage, but it's obviously like more modern and then
Speaker 2: space but like that kind of shit you remember, like
Speaker 2: on the Titanic there was like a family with their
Speaker 2: little kid, and the rich girl and the poor boy,
Speaker 2: and all these people all getting on this one ship
Speaker 2: with all their hopes and dreams and shit. Like I
Speaker 2: didn't get any of that. I don't care about any
Speaker 2: of those pod people. I'm kind of interested to see
Speaker 2: what David's gonna do with his little regurgitated words.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't talking about the colonists and talking about
Speaker 3: Daniels and Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he might let them out, but he's
Speaker 2: not going to let the captain out. There's going to
Speaker 2: be a failure with her pod or something, and he's
Speaker 2: probably not going to let her wake up, or by
Speaker 2: the time she wakes up it'll be too late, you.
Speaker 3: Know, well we'll never know.
Speaker 2: Most likely it's not a big deal. I think Romulus
Speaker 2: is a better follow up to this if you take
Speaker 2: it in the order, like if I could go without
Speaker 2: this film in the franchise and Prometheus, like we could
Speaker 2: live without them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I don't like the I mean, the whole
Speaker 3: creation storyline. It's just weird mystery.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I like the idea of like this colony
Speaker 2: bug like alien creatures developing their own like hive mind
Speaker 2: and their own ships, and they're like creating all of
Speaker 2: their own things, but still being like driven to kill
Speaker 2: if it's not their own kind, Like, oh, I think
Speaker 2: that's iconic, and trying to explain it away saying that
Speaker 2: some robot created this instead of them like evolving and
Speaker 2: creating themselves. It just like discredits the creature so much,
Speaker 2: especially with the movies prior to this, when Sigourney finds
Speaker 2: out like oh there's a mother and all this shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't love that all this is engineered. And
Speaker 3: so for me the alien movies, I select ones that
Speaker 3: are kind of like cannon for me personally. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I like this movie, but I wouldn't call
Speaker 2: it cannon. I think it follows like the classic tropes
Speaker 2: and I love a good good time movie with horror elements,
Speaker 2: but don't I don't think. I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: very strong story, and that's unfortunate because I like the movie,
Speaker 2: but it's just like I could take it or leave it,
Speaker 2: Like I wish it did more like for the characters,
Speaker 2: because I feel like that's where films shine, Like you
Speaker 2: can show me the landscape of Greenland or Europe or
Speaker 2: whatever all day long, but if the characters are a flop,
Speaker 2: the characters are a flop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt that it's a well made, well
Speaker 3: constructed film, like Ridley Scott very clearly knows how to
Speaker 3: like make a well produced, well produced, well like visually
Speaker 3: styled movie.
Speaker 2: Like Yeah, and I feel like some of the direction
Speaker 2: was pretty good, but then there were moments where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not vibing with it, Like I wish we would
Speaker 2: have had more moments where the captain was talking, like
Speaker 2: the second captain after James Franco, like gave us more
Speaker 2: of a monologue or something that gave us an idea
Speaker 2: of how he's feeling emotionally, like with having to all
Speaker 2: of a sudden be the captain out right out the
Speaker 2: gate and trying to like establish authority in a group
Speaker 2: of people that it doesn't seem he knows very well,
Speaker 2: like he kind of gave that, but it was like
Speaker 2: very poorly. I don't know if it was poorly acted
Speaker 2: or directed, but it's very not It's not memorable enough.
Speaker 2: And like I'm just tired of the main character being
Speaker 2: like a sad white woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like her is like she someone she loves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like she's like not empowered. She's just distraught and
Speaker 2: upset and she's like nobody's listening to her and she's
Speaker 2: just got to like go along with what the men
Speaker 2: are saying, and it's just like, ugh, what a you know.
Speaker 2: I liked her at the end where she was more
Speaker 2: assertive and she was like, you know, she had a
Speaker 2: plan and she's gonna get rid of this fucker and
Speaker 2: all this stuff. But where was that person when they
Speaker 2: were like landing.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's just a weird way to develop a character.
Speaker 2: I guess like her character should be developed. And then
Speaker 2: that story about building a cabin by the lake that
Speaker 2: was cute, and I think, like that was so sad
Speaker 2: when she finds out that David's not Walter whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like that callback, but she didn't I don't know
Speaker 2: it just I don't know. I can't say what it is,
Speaker 2: but there's something that's not fitting. But it was okay.
Speaker 2: I mean she was like rolling around the top of
Speaker 2: the ship on a string and shit shooting a gun
Speaker 2: and catching the alien with the claw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was all great stuff. Yeah. It was better
Speaker 3: than Prometheus, where that big round ship is rolling on
Speaker 3: the ground and they run in a straight line.
Speaker 2: Oh fucking Charlie's throne just gets squished like a bug.
Speaker 2: The worst death of my life.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: They had some epic kill shots. Uh when that alien
Speaker 2: that stood up like a human person just like chomped
Speaker 2: on that girl's head and chomp, chomp. That was crazy.
Speaker 2: And then when Jesse Smalllegg got his head just like,
Speaker 2: just did it go through his mouth or the top
Speaker 2: of his head, because it went through his skull, but
Speaker 2: did it come out his mouth or his head?
Speaker 3: But I don't remember. I think it's just his head, Okay.
Speaker 3: I thought, just at least for the purposes of like
Speaker 3: being able to keep all the characters straight, like, the
Speaker 3: crew could have been a little more diverse. And I
Speaker 3: thought that the captain looked a little too much like David,
Speaker 3: like in his facial structure, that sometimes it was like
Speaker 3: dark it's moonlight and I'm trying to like keep track
Speaker 3: of these two characters that look very similar to me.
Speaker 2: Well, then they had two characters that were exactly the
Speaker 2: same guy. Yeah, so it was just like a lot
Speaker 2: there was too many white guys.
Speaker 3: I agree. I like that they kept David's like hair
Speaker 3: obsession into this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with a peroxide In the last one, I'm like,
Speaker 2: home boy has been living in this world without peroxide,
Speaker 2: but he had scissors the whole time, and he decides
Speaker 2: to give himself a chop after that guy gets there suspicious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again like he should have kept it long.
Speaker 2: And I wish what he would have done. I wish
Speaker 2: what he would have done was give himself like a
Speaker 2: blowout or like straightened it or made it like fanciful
Speaker 2: somehow so that when he was like presented, he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you guys caught me on my off day, but I'm
Speaker 2: here now with my hair done. Like the hair is
Speaker 2: like slick or like in a you know, like really
Speaker 2: slick down, something a little different. To give us a
Speaker 2: little differentiation between the David and the Walter unit. Like
Speaker 2: it would have been cool to see a little more
Speaker 2: van because that Vanity was really interesting and Prometheus, and
Speaker 2: it would it would have been just a little more like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this robot's vein, that's fucking weird. So it would have
Speaker 2: been cool if like he like just slicked his hair
Speaker 2: back like a greaser or something, but kept it long
Speaker 2: until it was time to like body snatch Walter.
Speaker 3: There was a that scene with the two Michael Fastbenders
Speaker 3: playing the flute together that was really just impressive from
Speaker 3: a technical standpoint of them interacting with each other in
Speaker 3: one single shot with the camera moving and everything.
Speaker 2: Like, oh I didn't notice you would have?
Speaker 3: Okay, that's cool. Like I would love to see like
Speaker 3: the Breakast film they made that because yeah, I think
Speaker 3: it's like passing the flute to himself, holding up to
Speaker 3: his mouth and stuff. Yeah, kissing himself.
Speaker 2: That was interesting. I would kiss myself and then shove
Speaker 2: a flute through my throat.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's also interesting that the at least the newer
Speaker 3: AI models aren't allowed to create art.
Speaker 2: That's all they do now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something that might have been explored more if
Speaker 3: this was made today.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like, well, I don't technically create art.
Speaker 3: I steal it. Anything else before we I'm ready.
Speaker 2: For the spoilers. But yeah, so we can. I'm done
Speaker 2: with the current.
Speaker 3: All right, we're going to do the astral Queen Award.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, one more thing. When he showed the captain
Speaker 2: his eggs and he's like, oh yeah, have a look,
Speaker 2: we were like, no, he fell for it. What a dumbass.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Part of me wondered if it would be like a
Speaker 3: bait and switch thing where there'd be something else in
Speaker 3: that egg.
Speaker 2: Maybe in the in the blooper reel. It's like a cheeseburger.
Speaker 3: It's like I've been growing mc donalds.
Speaker 1: Astral queen. Who was the standout character in the movie.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it to Walter.
Speaker 3: Walter was a pretty solid dude, and I like that
Speaker 3: he was able to heal himself and come back that
Speaker 3: one time.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he might do it again and somehow get
Speaker 2: on that, like learn how to drive the ship and
Speaker 2: get his ass back and save the world.
Speaker 3: Yep, sure, why not? That can be our own head cannon. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I like David who did the most to save the day.
Speaker 2: Home girl was running around with a string on her Yeah.
Speaker 3: Her mcshride sequences are really good. I might as well
Speaker 3: give it to Daniels. She was the sigourney of this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah with a pixie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Walter and Daniels will be shipping those awards
Speaker 3: in the space. Hey, so we've walked all the movies.
Speaker 3: Now should we rank them?
Speaker 2: Okay? My number one is no Alien, the regular every
Speaker 2: Day nineteen seventy eight Alien. That one's number one because
Speaker 2: she's iconic. She's a little boring, but if you stick
Speaker 2: with her, she's worth the weight. And then Romulus because
Speaker 2: she's new, she's shiny, she's retro, but she's like everything
Speaker 2: fucking creepy. And then this is where it gets harder
Speaker 2: for me. I think I'm gonna go with this one
Speaker 2: and yeah, and then the one with Wanona and then
Speaker 2: the one with the girl in the brown face.
Speaker 3: So you're going Alien, then Romulus and then Covenant.
Speaker 2: No, wait, I want Wanonas to be the third one.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Resurrection then Covenant yeah, and then Aliens Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then that just leaves Alien three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Alien three and then and Prometheus and that's order
Speaker 2: that order. Yeah, weird order my order. Okay, you don't
Speaker 2: have to like it, and I ain't going to fight
Speaker 2: you about it, So.
Speaker 3: Mine differs a little, but my first two lest same.
Speaker 3: I like Alien the Original, and then Romulus is right
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 2: It's just so good at the world building. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: world building and the character is like you care about them?
Speaker 2: So I like that.
Speaker 3: So then I go Aliens. Oh we seem to really
Speaker 3: different on that movie. But I think popular opinions on
Speaker 3: my side, okay, and like those three movies are like
Speaker 3: my my core alien movies. Now yeah, after that, it's like,
Speaker 3: well these exist. Yeah, I think Alien Covenant comes next
Speaker 3: for me, and then I'd probably go Resurrection, then Prometheus,
Speaker 3: and then Alien three is at the bottom for me.
Speaker 3: Alien three the prison one, Oh yeah, I didn't like
Speaker 3: that one. Yeah, that one is.
Speaker 2: It's just sad they're already in jail. Why are you
Speaker 2: throwing fucking Aliens at them? And then they had that
Speaker 2: weird cult.
Speaker 3: Like if we were hanging out with the group and
Speaker 3: for some reason we wanted to watch an alien movie.
Speaker 2: Romulus, I'd be on board with Romulus.
Speaker 3: Almost all of them, But if we landed on Alien three,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, guys, I probably gotta go. If it's Prometheus,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, are we smoking first?
Speaker 2: Oh? My god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, so that does it. For the main
Speaker 3: part of this episode, we'll do the spoiler section here.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about things related to Alien Romulus.
Speaker 3: Next up, as I mentioned, we might come back and
Speaker 3: do old Alien Isolation if we feel like it before
Speaker 3: we get to TV series Alien Earth, which comes out
Speaker 3: sometime next year, early twenty twenty five. But next up
Speaker 3: for on our main podcast, spacing out with BB and
Speaker 3: Jason not one hundred percent share, but we talked about
Speaker 3: doing the show Foundation from Apple TV. You're looking at
Speaker 3: me like you have no memory of this discussion. I'm
Speaker 3: sure I remember if you remind me. We looked at
Speaker 3: a number of things and that was your selection that
Speaker 3: we do Alien first and then we're going to do Foundation.
Speaker 3: So subject to change, that's the plan for now.
Speaker 2: Who has Apple TV?
Speaker 3: A lot of people do, really. I think some people
Speaker 3: have it included with their other Apple stuff and then
Speaker 3: it's like one of the cheapest of all the streaming services.
Speaker 2: Oh, they have Severance, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a lot of sci fi.
Speaker 2: It's what Steve would have wanted.
Speaker 3: Stereo stylist in this group.
Speaker 1: Race for Impact. Spoilers ahead if you haven't seen the
Speaker 1: whole film series. Now is the time to say goodbye.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you can see where they're going. That weird alien
Speaker 2: that stood up like a person and Romulus, the one
Speaker 2: that David was trying to talk to. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 2: was like the closest thing to the thing on Romulus,
Speaker 2: and it was like creepy. Like if I would have
Speaker 2: seen this before I saw Romulus, I would not have
Speaker 2: been as freaked out like I would have seen that
Speaker 2: there's a progression that that's evolving in the series or
Speaker 2: in the the alien like hive mind. Yeah, But because
Speaker 2: I didn't have any of this context, I was freaked
Speaker 2: the fuck out when I saw that two legged creature
Speaker 2: and then when I found out it was a real
Speaker 2: guy in that suit. But bring me out. Oh oh man,
Speaker 2: they had a tuck his dick back so hard, I bet.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Romulus definitely like it referenced I think every
Speaker 3: single alien movie in some way, shape or form. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, it doesn't make like super strong
Speaker 3: connections to like over, like you'll have benefit from having
Speaker 3: seen the original movie seeing Romulus, but otherwise, like it's
Speaker 3: doing its own things.
Speaker 2: You can go blind in Romulus, you don't have to
Speaker 2: enjoy it.
Speaker 3: The four legged one from Alien three or whatever.
Speaker 2: Some freaky hybrid shit happening though, with that pregnant woman.
Speaker 2: Holy shit. Yeah, so I feel like, fuck David Man,
Speaker 2: it's Alien is its own thing. Alien never needed David.
Speaker 3: No, all right, So I think that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's it. Good night Alien.
Speaker 3: Thank you for spacing out with us. And remember in
Speaker 3: Space no One Can Hear You scream?
Speaker 2: Is that their tagline?
Speaker 3: That's a tagline for the first movie.
Speaker 2: Oh that's pretty good.
Speaker 3: I just thought i'd bring it back to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. Good Night.
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