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<v Speaker 1>Now one of your pudding. I got a string going

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<v Speaker 1>on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog,

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<v Speaker 1>my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over

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<v Speaker 1>the fence and he was dead. And once you hit

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<v Speaker 1>the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I

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<v Speaker 1>saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what

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<v Speaker 1>are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling

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<v Speaker 1>around out here? Did you see what it was or

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<v Speaker 1>was it was? Standing enough. I'm out here looking through

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<v Speaker 1>the window now and I don't see anything. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better hello, get

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<v Speaker 1>somebody out here. Quote on aunt. I've thought of a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of about Secon four nine. I don't know easy announter,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, all right?

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<v Speaker 2>How many amazing speakers can we have in a row?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm nervous to go later. I don't think I can

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<v Speaker 2>hang with this cruise. I love it. Yeah, there are

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<v Speaker 2>many reasons why we count of these right. The main

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<v Speaker 2>is how close can we get to the truth. And

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<v Speaker 2>for those of you that are on the fence about Bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 2>come up and talk to me after and be like, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I was not sure, but now I'm highly intrigued. And

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<v Speaker 2>what is one of the most wonderful things we can

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<v Speaker 2>carry through our life and never lose, and that is curiosity? Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Curiosity leads us into the most wonderful places. And Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>is this beach dive that I think we all deserve

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<v Speaker 2>nature's greatest secret unless we talk about the oceans and

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<v Speaker 2>what happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, there's more to coon. So in this section that

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<v Speaker 3>we had now it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was supposed to be all about that the FRO is

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<v Speaker 2>everyone feamiliar with the VFRROW Okay, so good we know

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Mary Anne runs. I think it's three states that she

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<v Speaker 3>actually covers.

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<v Speaker 2>So if any of you are actually interested in the

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<v Speaker 2>VFROROW and what they do and how they professionally approach

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<v Speaker 2>the subject, okay, Like for a lot of us to

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<v Speaker 2>go camping, we have fun, we're hoping for an experience,

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<v Speaker 2>But there are some people that are taking it as

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<v Speaker 2>professional as possible, like Shane, like Mary Anne, and so

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<v Speaker 2>when they go out, if you were to go out

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<v Speaker 2>with someone like that, it would be like you were

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<v Speaker 2>going out with an investigative journalist.

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<v Speaker 3>Field reporter. They document everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night at the VIP event, people were asking what's

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<v Speaker 2>the best taffer, the best thing you could take.

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<v Speaker 3>Into the field, And all the answers are wonderful. There

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<v Speaker 3>is no wrong there.

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<v Speaker 2>But arguably, if you're gonna bring anything, bring a journal

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<v Speaker 2>and document everything, all the details. Because if there's anything

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<v Speaker 2>in David and all the ex police officers that are

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<v Speaker 2>in here that are rocking the big field now would

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<v Speaker 2>tell you is over time, I don't care how sharp you.

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<v Speaker 4>Are, you begin to lose some detail, you begin to

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<v Speaker 4>add some things.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how it is.

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<v Speaker 4>You remember back in school, you're telling somebody one thing,

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<v Speaker 4>and by the time it came around, you were married

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<v Speaker 4>to Bigfoot and you're like, what I said, I want fishing.

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<v Speaker 3>So you got to keep that in mind when you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Your research and the greatest way to protect yourself. But

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<v Speaker 2>also I think everyone should keep a journal. How hard

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<v Speaker 2>is it to look back what you did just four

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<v Speaker 2>months ago, never mind four years ago, never mind fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, And.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't it really nice?

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the nice things I like about social media,

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<v Speaker 2>where I can go back through and.

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<v Speaker 3>See all the relationships that I fail that but.

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<v Speaker 2>I can go back in the second you see the

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<v Speaker 2>picture or you read the little thing, it's a war

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<v Speaker 2>and you're right back there. And some of those places

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<v Speaker 2>are beautiful, and we want to go back there. So YouTube, gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>Not to point you out, but you came here with.

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<v Speaker 3>The greatest question ever. I want to get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to invest the state Marianne's sitting in the

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful gray hair wearing the leopard skin coat.

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<v Speaker 3>Chie is your best entrance into this.

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<v Speaker 2>I would argue, just start going out, just start falling

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<v Speaker 2>in love with the woods, which you guys probably already are.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're gonna start right away professional, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>is wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna bypass all the little mistakes the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>us make along the way trying to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 3>It's I going to tell you how many times. Here's

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<v Speaker 3>a little sill good advice.

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<v Speaker 5>But when you go bayfooting, before you even shut the

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<v Speaker 5>car off, before you even pull in to wherever the

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<v Speaker 5>area is the habitat, you turn your damn cameras on,

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<v Speaker 5>you turn your damn recorders on, you shut the music off,

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<v Speaker 5>and you are in the zone.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I promise you you're gonna pull in you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>hear knock doot dock silence for the rest of the night,

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<v Speaker 2>and you are gonna kick your own butt for not

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<v Speaker 2>being more prepared. I've made that mistake more.

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<v Speaker 3>Times, and I'll admit it because I'm a foolish guy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all good, and you will learn how to do

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<v Speaker 3>it perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Right out of the gates, and you'll be better at

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<v Speaker 2>it right away than the rest of us us a

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<v Speaker 2>long time plus.

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<v Speaker 3>In this field, just like any discipline, there are a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of journeys.

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<v Speaker 1>They just are.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just the way that and I don't judge anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all going through different things.

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<v Speaker 2>We're at different points of our life, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>the amazing thing about being a human being is at

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<v Speaker 2>some point in your life you're gonna be the hero,

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<v Speaker 2>at some point you're gonna be the villain, at some

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<v Speaker 2>point you're gonna be the sad one, and at some

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<v Speaker 2>point you gonna be the happiest person in the room.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you can go and start with people.

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<v Speaker 2>That aren't gonna break your heart, that aren't going to

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<v Speaker 2>betray you're not gonna stab you in the back of

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<v Speaker 2>the seri stuff that wants you to have an experience, even.

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<v Speaker 3>If that means they don't. That's the place in my

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<v Speaker 3>hard parts that we should all be starting, and Miriam

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<v Speaker 3>will provide that for you. Now.

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<v Speaker 6>I am not a member of the.

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<v Speaker 3>BFRRO, but I know a lot about the BFR ROW.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had the honor of working on finding Bigfoot forever.

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<v Speaker 3>So whose voice is this?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I see all you big footers are here today

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<v Speaker 4>the worship at the throne of Matthew Moneymaker.

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<v Speaker 3>Now the fun of matt Moneymaker.

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<v Speaker 2>As much as I can brag about him, okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>give you a little detail about him that most people

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's lots of different levels of courage when you

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<v Speaker 3>go into the woods. I spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 3>in the woods, and I think one of the main

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<v Speaker 3>things keeping us from having interactions with forest people is fear.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think any of us really know just how

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<v Speaker 2>scared we are to be in the woods, especially alone,

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<v Speaker 2>even holding a guy, because there are things that can

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<v Speaker 2>still take you down, big cats, scared of crap on it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know of anything else in the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not very big coup even humans which are scarce,

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<v Speaker 2>but a large cat and you guys probably heard that story.

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<v Speaker 2>X Army ranger living remotely, big cats coming in killing

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<v Speaker 2>his chickens.

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<v Speaker 3>Is I'm the apex predator here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna take care of this problem in the snow,

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<v Speaker 2>goes out, tracks it, tracking it for hours.

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<v Speaker 3>At some point looks behind him and realizes this thing

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<v Speaker 3>has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Within fifteen feet behind him and stocking him the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>They call it a specieism.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, don't be a secious specious is approaching bigfoot or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>As you're the smartest, you're the best thing in the room.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just not true here on some level, it's not true.

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<v Speaker 3>That cat stopped one of our greatest warriors. And I

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<v Speaker 3>know what he did. He went back and he just

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<v Speaker 3>re armed that chicken coop to the highest degree and said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not bessing with that animal anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So to be off our ound, Matt Moneymaker, he is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the bravest people I've ever seen bigfooting.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, just to tell you a funny little story. We're

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<v Speaker 3>in Lafayette County, Okay, in Pennsylvania. It's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>masks going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very drug, very dangerous area, and we pull We're

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<v Speaker 2>in a caravan we drive we're secret ages, and we

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<v Speaker 2>pull into this driveway and it's a long looping driveway

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<v Speaker 2>that goes around like this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm driving, Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>Moneymakers sitting there and we have the producer and somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else in the back.

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<v Speaker 3>And the second week pull in this.

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<v Speaker 2>Woman wearing just a shirt, holding in one hand a

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<v Speaker 2>chain dog that had to have been one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty pounds some more while I just walking and like

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<v Speaker 2>it could have broke her arm, but and just dragged

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<v Speaker 2>and in her other hand.

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<v Speaker 3>You ever see the Batman movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Where the Joker takes out the longest magnum you've ever seen, and.

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<v Speaker 3>She's come out of the sky. She's got that dear.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how she's holding. I do.

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<v Speaker 4>She's an drives and she's coming down the driveway and

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<v Speaker 4>like trying to lift this thing up, get.

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<v Speaker 3>Dog off myty.

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<v Speaker 4>It was literally like a zombie coming out there. And

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm driving, So I'm in charge of the talent

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<v Speaker 4>and everyone, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big footer.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to die big footing, right, It's not

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<v Speaker 2>worth it that much to me.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm sitting there and of course I'm like, we

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<v Speaker 3>gotta go. The second I go to go, I ain't

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<v Speaker 3>this the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>Suddenly there's traffic and there's this car, after the car,

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<v Speaker 4>and now the.

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<v Speaker 3>Producer in the back. He hit puberty all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>he's going, we gotta go, we gotta do. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to proof, and I'm like, I'm trying. I'm fring.

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<v Speaker 2>So the three of us are freaking out. It's palpable,

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<v Speaker 2>it's scary, and she's get closer.

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<v Speaker 3>And Moneymaker. I look at him, calm and as cool

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<v Speaker 3>as a.

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<v Speaker 2>Cucumber, not even sweating, more focused on how beautiful his

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<v Speaker 2>hair is.

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<v Speaker 3>And he did have beautiful hair and the reason he

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<v Speaker 3>grew his hair out long.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess why because James Bobo Fey had long hair and

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<v Speaker 2>he was more popular than kid.

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<v Speaker 3>She was trying all the things. See, maybe it's the hair,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it's the beautiful mare. So he and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why, but I was liken't put the window down

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<v Speaker 3>like that was gonna help the bullet not pull my

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<v Speaker 3>head off. And he looks at me. He goes, madam,

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<v Speaker 3>do you know who I am? Literally the scariest situation

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<v Speaker 3>has been a big one. I'm not Moneymaker. Do you watch?

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<v Speaker 3>She probably doesn't know the TV look at the state

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<v Speaker 3>of her like saying that, and we're have you seen

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<v Speaker 3>Dart gut I had to jump in front of a car,

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<v Speaker 2>The car to explain to her why she should be

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<v Speaker 2>and there's activity in front of us, and the only

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<v Speaker 2>Why I write t habitat activity in the bushes, full

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<v Speaker 3>And remember he's telling it's like going you gotta keep

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<v Speaker 2>The bushes and we're all looking at it because nobody

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<v Speaker 2>was going in those bushes. But that was not moneymaker, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a fearlessness. Now it goes with anything. Why

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<v Speaker 2>is someone being a jerk? Why is someone a good person?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is anything? You got to understand their paths. And

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<v Speaker 2>here's an interesting thing about Matt that most people don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was younger, he got into the most horrible

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<v Speaker 2>moket accident you could where he got hit and from

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<v Speaker 2>the left lea down his shin split open, mangled like.

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<v Speaker 3>Something that if you saw happened to yourself or anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>he'd he'd just pass out. He dealt with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So he has experienced pain, discomfort, and horror at a

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<v Speaker 3>He's not afraid. I'll give you num one cut to

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<v Speaker 3>the Amazon. We're in the Amazon jungle. Okay, we're in

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<v Speaker 3>the Rio Negro where.

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<v Speaker 2>The Amazon splits in the water becomes this dark, muddy

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<v Speaker 2>murky You wouldn't even dare go in this water.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, just at dust wish. I'm not an idiot. You're

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<v Speaker 3>not an idiot. Matt's not an idiot. That's the time

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<v Speaker 3>when thing's hut, dusk.

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<v Speaker 4>And dumb one right, So it do the rion Negro,

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<v Speaker 4>his dark thing with anacondas large reptile, all sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 3>I get a knock on my doork. This is beast, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on? Dude? The one man get to sleep in?

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<v Speaker 3>You have to come out. You have to come out

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<v Speaker 3>next see not good? Next seat.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, oh what mister, the heavy round round

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, oh, moneymaker. And I'm like with the

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<v Speaker 2>hair and with the hair, and I come out and

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<v Speaker 2>i'd so I'm following him and half the ways and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Get to the edge of the boat. We rented this

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<v Speaker 3>cool yacht.

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<v Speaker 5>Dude, I honestly I hope for all of you that

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<v Speaker 5>you go on the best stick putting adventures.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, save your money, find your tribe, find people, pull

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<v Speaker 3>And so as long as you survive.

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<v Speaker 4>So I come up to the boat, I come up

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<v Speaker 4>to the battle of the boat and I'm staring there

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<v Speaker 4>and once again I'm just dumb crowded by the bravery

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<v Speaker 3>In this water.

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<v Speaker 2>He is swimming and literally like he swims funny, he's

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<v Speaker 2>just waving.

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<v Speaker 3>He's gonna full. What suit this suit brought? What was it?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like nine or ten toes on our adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>All of us have one suitcase, one carry on nine toes.

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<v Speaker 2>Come to find out he never wore the same offit twice.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just sending them all back for his wife

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<v Speaker 2>to clean him and send it back to us. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's a different story. So he's there and he's.

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<v Speaker 7>Just swimming around and I look at him like, man,

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<v Speaker 7>you can't damn little water.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna get eaten, and he goes, nothing can get me.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't want anything to do with me. Are humans

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<v Speaker 3>on the food chain? I'm like, no, what they're gonna be?

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<v Speaker 3>And he's the boss of you and I'm like, technically,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you are. But so we wouldn't get on

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<v Speaker 8>He was having a beautiful tarn being a merman, just

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<v Speaker 8>in these dangerous waters, slowing around with his slippers, kicked

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<v Speaker 8>it and tossing his hair. And the only way we

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<v Speaker 8>could get him out is we had to get the

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<v Speaker 8>drone guy wake him up.

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<v Speaker 3>And we were buzzing him with the drone and we

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<v Speaker 3>literally and he's h nah. So he finally he does

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<v Speaker 3>swim to the boat.

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<v Speaker 4>He swims to the far shore, gets out, pegs us off,

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<v Speaker 4>and then goes over the other side. So we're like,

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<v Speaker 4>what's he doing there? Are these not called crocodiles anything

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<v Speaker 4>the Amazon. Yes, so there's these Caymans lined up, So

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<v Speaker 4>you have Caymans and then like thirty forty feet down

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<v Speaker 4>you have.

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<v Speaker 3>A moneymaker, some baby. And I will never get that

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<v Speaker 3>out of my head.

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<v Speaker 4>Just slip your Unzich, the golden bronze body, the hair,

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<v Speaker 4>just landing there on the beach, the best time in

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<v Speaker 4>the Amazon. These stories with Matt. If you were all

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit older, I would tell you they're really

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<v Speaker 4>crazy one.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just go back to the point that some.

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<v Speaker 2>People are fearless and maybe in bigfooting you need that,

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<v Speaker 2>you need a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Bit of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what you also need are people that love it

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<v Speaker 2>as much as you and that are as passionate as you.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is what Marianne is.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are people within the BFRO that are extraordinary researchers.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope you guys been like uh, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you guys find the people.

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<v Speaker 3>That are the best people to mentor and to ease

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<v Speaker 3>to the next level.

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<v Speaker 2>And don't ever think that you aren't all as important

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<v Speaker 2>to the research as worthy and that your theories don't

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<v Speaker 2>matter or don't count, because anyone worth their weight in

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<v Speaker 2>gold and bigfooting will tell you there are no experts.

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<v Speaker 2>We are all just giving it our best shot, and

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<v Speaker 2>eventually somebody's gonna figure it out.

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<v Speaker 3>So any of these series.

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<v Speaker 2>You hear today, any of these amazing things that people

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, run with its, run with it. And then

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<v Speaker 2>all I would ask is, if it's something I say

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<v Speaker 2>and it says O shay or anything, reach out.

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<v Speaker 3>If you take it that one step further and.

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<v Speaker 9>Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see, we'll be

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<v Speaker 9>right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 2>And culture really in a way pits us against each

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<v Speaker 2>other and makes it seem like we're all going to

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<v Speaker 2>do it on our own and everyone's out to get you,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone's ane's gonna steal it, give.

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<v Speaker 3>It that shit to the curve.

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<v Speaker 2>If we team up, if we actually had healthy Bigfoot community,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're one year away from solving the mystery.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the real problem becomes, because this is a

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<v Speaker 3>question you probably all struggled with yourself. What do you

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<v Speaker 3>do if you find out what the truth of this is?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you do with that with Because as were

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<v Speaker 2>I standing right now as a researcher in a man

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<v Speaker 2>that might be it for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I will tell my close friends who I know would

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<v Speaker 3>love that and would protect it with me. But for

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<v Speaker 3>the most of it, I wouldn't say shit. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>a neat thing. Ask yourself, what do you do? Because yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got the next Patterson's going to come. If you

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<v Speaker 3>came upon a nesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Site or saw a family and were able to document

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<v Speaker 2>it for some reason, they didn't beat the crap out

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<v Speaker 2>of you, what would.

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<v Speaker 3>You do with it? Anyway? I leave that with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I have fifteen more minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>If there's any questions that I can answer about the

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<v Speaker 4>bfr bfro O, if you have them, I will.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have just any questions about anything, I would

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<v Speaker 2>gladly answer them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, ma'am, Oh you want to both stuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, one of my first days on the job working

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<v Speaker 2>with Bobo.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, here's Bobo walking into a restaurant.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, when you walk into a restaurant, there are people

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<v Speaker 2>who have finished eating and their.

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<v Speaker 3>Plates are on the table. And this is the old.

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<v Speaker 2>James Bobo Fay walks chicken fingers well hammer and even

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<v Speaker 2>if they're still sitting there but they're done and they're

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<v Speaker 2>writing their check, they just look up at them and

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<v Speaker 2>were like, you're not eating it, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you just came from it, and he's one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the way that you get the maxim amount of

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<v Speaker 2>calories you need without having to pay too much. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't have any money, RPG, which I know

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<v Speaker 2>you don't because you're a four PA, then that's the

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<v Speaker 2>way you eat. And that was some of the wisdom

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<v Speaker 2>that James Kay gave me. But I remember one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first days that I worked with him. Everybody remember Monkey,

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<v Speaker 2>his dog, which should have been in the series the

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<v Speaker 2>entire time. But we can talk crap about corporate America

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<v Speaker 2>and their ideas and what a good show is some

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<v Speaker 2>other time. But but yeah, monkeys, so we saw all

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<v Speaker 2>right RPG used to do. Now, Monkey, if you remember,

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<v Speaker 2>had one bad leg. They had been on some adventures

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<v Speaker 2>to go. Let's just say Monkey used to go surfing

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<v Speaker 2>in big wave surf with him and they had a

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<v Speaker 2>few crashes. We almost side, but one leg was like

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<v Speaker 2>a chicken lesh, so it didn't work. So the business

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<v Speaker 2>a tripod dog and I used to let the scratch

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<v Speaker 2>the little hank until she got off and she turned me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be like what what? So he goes she got

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<v Speaker 3>a bad leg RPG. She's getting older. Do not throw

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<v Speaker 3>the ball too much. Throw it for half hour and

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<v Speaker 3>that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the end of the parking lot that is

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<v Speaker 2>a ledge that goes down and drops down like a

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<v Speaker 2>hundred feet.

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<v Speaker 3>If that ball goes over that and she dies, you

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<v Speaker 3>got And I said to him, I grew up in

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<v Speaker 3>the country. I know dogs. I can hand. They'll throwing

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<v Speaker 3>a ball for a dog go to work, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>So he lumbers off. It's big shade down, bigfoot that

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<v Speaker 3>he is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, all right, you want to kick the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was I also hope everyone in here owns

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<v Speaker 2>a dog at some.

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<v Speaker 3>Point, and that dog stares in their eyes and they

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<v Speaker 3>understand you, and you know that they love you.

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<v Speaker 2>Any research has actually been found that inside the dog's

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<v Speaker 2>brain there's a section of it that lights up when

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<v Speaker 2>it sees you. It actually experiences pure joy, sure bless.

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<v Speaker 2>It loves you like you love your babies, which is

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm staying there and I'm like, all right, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>So first row, I just it was one of those

430
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<v Speaker 2>rubber balls that bounds, so I just leave it a little.

431
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<v Speaker 2>And now I'm in front of the hotel and there

432
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<v Speaker 2>is nobody around they and the ball just did do

433
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<v Speaker 2>and the dog was incredibly fast.

434
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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, oh, okay, cool.

435
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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, so I throw it a little bit harder,

436
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<v Speaker 2>and wouldn't you know that thing goes boing boying, and

437
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<v Speaker 2>my eyes started getting wider, boyt and it goes right

438
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<v Speaker 2>over the ledge and this is you could go down it,

439
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<v Speaker 2>but you do, like my bariness, right, You've gotta give

440
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<v Speaker 2>me that hundred.

441
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<v Speaker 3>And the dog doesn't stop, look and go down.

442
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<v Speaker 7>Monkey launches like she's been juggling whisky and she was like,

443
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<v Speaker 7>get that ball.

444
00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.920
<v Speaker 2>She launches over the edge, and I just watched my

445
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<v Speaker 2>life flash before my eye. I know I'm not only

446
00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:57.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna be dead, but I had one of to lose,

447
00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.279
<v Speaker 2>the greatest job I have ever had, getting need to

448
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<v Speaker 2>travel and look for Bigfoot.

449
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<v Speaker 3>I wish that for all of you. It is amazing.

450
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<v Speaker 3>And so I'm sitting there, my heart's just and.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Then before I can even figure out what to do,

452
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<v Speaker 2>take a step, she's falling back up.

453
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<v Speaker 3>And I look around and look in every window, every car, everywhere.

454
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<v Speaker 3>Nobody saw. Nobody saw it. So we only even played

455
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<v Speaker 3>for a little bit. Warmer whatever, don't even think anything

456
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<v Speaker 3>of it.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Next day on my door RPG and I'm like, what

458
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<v Speaker 2>he's you ran her too hard.

459
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<v Speaker 3>She can't even get out of bed.

460
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<v Speaker 7>She's sitting there. She's gonna to a cute chicken a leg.

461
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<v Speaker 7>You're never throwing the ball for her again. And I

462
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<v Speaker 7>remember just going, oh, I didn't know that was too much.

463
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<v Speaker 7>I'm sorry he should be And then he walked up.

464
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<v Speaker 7>Because James Bobo fey, how do I explain it?

465
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<v Speaker 2>You want the biggest guy in the room to be

466
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<v Speaker 2>the defender of everyone else in the room, the bully killer.

467
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<v Speaker 3>I watched that guy in Colorado.

468
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<v Speaker 2>There was a gay couple outside of a club being

469
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<v Speaker 2>accosted by these rednecks and not I'm a red nack.

470
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<v Speaker 3>Not difference. Before we were just driving by and slowing.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Down to the stoplight, and the door was opened, he

472
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<v Speaker 2>was out, and he was throwing a punch and knocking

473
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<v Speaker 2>one of them out before the lead producer before we.

474
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<v Speaker 3>Could even react. So once again, God report COLI saidything,

475
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<v Speaker 3>my executive producer gets out of the car. Now, James

476
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<v Speaker 3>Bobo fake foot.

477
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<v Speaker 6>He grew up.

478
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<v Speaker 3>Rowing with some owens.

479
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<v Speaker 2>He's like the only white dude if you have my

480
00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:34.759
<v Speaker 2>theory on him, his dad was experimented on it in

481
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<v Speaker 2>the military, like super Soldier program.

482
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<v Speaker 3>Because his dad was like this tall and could fight bigfoot.

483
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<v Speaker 3>That's and he's the only one I could do it.

484
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<v Speaker 3>They called him Fireball.

485
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<v Speaker 2>So imagine if a man with a super soldier serum

486
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<v Speaker 2>as a baby because he was this pig.

487
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<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you it's his fake. And James Bobo Fay

488
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<v Speaker 3>was a halthy max so he was at his head es.

489
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<v Speaker 3>He was three m PR, so big boy.

490
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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, so he's beating the crap out of two to

491
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<v Speaker 2>three dudes and the producer comes out and he goes

492
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<v Speaker 2>up the fourth guy.

493
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<v Speaker 3>You can't fight. So if I'm flat with the stag's

494
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<v Speaker 3>face and I'm in the car trying to part, trying to.

495
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<v Speaker 10>Enjoin him defending those dudescause right on and try not

496
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<v Speaker 10>to laugh at my boss and cannot fight this even listen.

497
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<v Speaker 10>If they would have allowed us to record what we

498
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<v Speaker 10>were doing behind the scenes and all these other things,

499
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<v Speaker 10>it would have been the greatest reality TV series of

500
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<v Speaker 10>all time.

501
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<v Speaker 2>Say that, Yeah, oh, we went to all and we

502
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<v Speaker 2>said we would we should do this, we should be

503
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<v Speaker 2>filming it but I will just leave it at this.

504
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<v Speaker 2>There was a golden age of Hollywood where you basically

505
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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of people that are fully functional addicts

506
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<v Speaker 2>in some way.

507
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<v Speaker 3>And I say that with the greatest respect. A lot

508
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<v Speaker 3>of us have survived times of drinking. I'll just say

509
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<v Speaker 3>that myself.

510
00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:50.000
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people, and people usually don't speak well

511
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<v Speaker 2>at this, but I'm gonna speak well for a second.

512
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<v Speaker 2>But some of us are able to have an addiction

513
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<v Speaker 2>and give it up hundred percent at the same time,

514
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<v Speaker 2>and that is without giving an But that's basically what

515
00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.680
<v Speaker 2>we were doing, all of us, and we still fill

516
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<v Speaker 2>on that show. We still made it the most successful

517
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<v Speaker 2>thing ever. We still all survived. But yeah, we were wild.

518
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<v Speaker 2>We were as wild as a big book. We saw

519
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<v Speaker 2>all right, ladies and.

520
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<v Speaker 3>Gentlemen, we'll come back from left. I hope it was awesome.

521
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<v Speaker 11>I didn't want to get back up and start us

522
00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:24.079
<v Speaker 11>up again because everyone was having such a good time

523
00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:28.279
<v Speaker 11>talking and lying. I love seeing everybody be in good

524
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<v Speaker 11>community with each other, sharing stories, buying some good merch,

525
00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:37.680
<v Speaker 11>interacting beautiful smiles like yours. So hopefully everyone got something

526
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<v Speaker 11>and if not, for those of you that are fasting,

527
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<v Speaker 11>I'll just.

528
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<v Speaker 3>Tell you owe something about that. People ask how should

529
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<v Speaker 3>I go into woods? How should I find Bigfoot? And

530
00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:50.119
<v Speaker 3>there are a few hats life hats you can.

531
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<v Speaker 2>Do where you can make yourself more present, even if

532
00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:55.480
<v Speaker 2>you're not quite ready to or not.

533
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<v Speaker 3>And one of those is the fact you do.

534
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<v Speaker 2>A twenty four six forty eight hour fast and you

535
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<v Speaker 2>go in the woods, and.

536
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<v Speaker 4>I promise you you are going to be more observant

537
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<v Speaker 4>than you have ever been in.

538
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<v Speaker 12>Your life once you get beyond the hunger, which by

539
00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:14.640
<v Speaker 12>the way, is addiction. But that's another talk we can

540
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<v Speaker 12>have privately and feel those hunger paints. Last is a

541
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<v Speaker 12>sinay like.

542
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<v Speaker 2>But if you go out you fast, you will help

543
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:23.799
<v Speaker 2>put you into naturally into a meditative state. Then if

544
00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:26.000
<v Speaker 2>you were to take your shoes off and to actually

545
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:28.720
<v Speaker 2>walk around, then you start rounding and connecting to the earth.

546
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:30.960
<v Speaker 3>And all I can tell you is try it.

547
00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:34.799
<v Speaker 2>Get beyond your smile, get beyond your office is ridiculous,

548
00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:36.559
<v Speaker 2>and see what happens.

549
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:39.119
<v Speaker 3>It's going to be amazing for you. So that to

550
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<v Speaker 3>get anyway without further ado, I have a new friend.

551
00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:49.000
<v Speaker 2>There is a new awesome intelligence driven extra police officer,

552
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:51.960
<v Speaker 2>which once again who less current.

553
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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, See, these are the people that I respect.

554
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<v Speaker 3>You ask like, how hard is it to get into this?

555
00:24:57.880 --> 00:24:58.400
<v Speaker 6>How hard?

556
00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:00.559
<v Speaker 2>And we were just talking a second because there are

557
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:02.279
<v Speaker 2>gonna be some people that are gonna try and bump

558
00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:04.839
<v Speaker 2>you out of this, and we need David in this

559
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:07.400
<v Speaker 2>space for those of you that I'm sure we lost

560
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:08.720
<v Speaker 2>so many good people this year.

561
00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Mel's room makes you emotional, so we won't even go there.

562
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:15.359
<v Speaker 5>But even Jane goodall like these are powerful things, and

563
00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.880
<v Speaker 5>just talking with David and it's I know you're a strong,

564
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:20.000
<v Speaker 5>powerful man.

565
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:21.559
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I know you doubt that. You're like, why

566
00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:23.839
<v Speaker 3>why am I doing this? People aren't going to invite

567
00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:26.240
<v Speaker 3>me in, They're not gonna be warm. But we need you.

568
00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:28.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm just telling you we need you in this space.

569
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:31.400
<v Speaker 3>We need you so hopefully you hear that.

570
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<v Speaker 10>Don't make me get down on my knees in beg

571
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<v Speaker 10>But yeah, ladies and gentlemen, we met on the stage.

572
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<v Speaker 2>And we had one of my most favorite and pathful

573
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<v Speaker 2>moments ever where I got to.

574
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:41.799
<v Speaker 3>Learn from him.

575
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<v Speaker 2>And I hope at some point in your life where

576
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:47.319
<v Speaker 2>you're already there, you're open to mentorship because everyone, even

577
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:49.799
<v Speaker 2>the people sitting next to you could probably teach you

578
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:52.119
<v Speaker 2>a thing or two about this beautiful thing called life.

579
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.839
<v Speaker 3>And David taught me something and I'm gonna be forever grateful.

580
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<v Speaker 3>So without further ado, Zigan David I got. That's the

581
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<v Speaker 3>first part. My god his last name right now. Literally

582
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:03.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm scared to say it because I don't want to

583
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:08.440
<v Speaker 3>mess it up. Lazy David is the game that is

584
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.240
<v Speaker 3>often time again, thank you, Okay, So that was an

585
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.200
<v Speaker 3>awesome intro. I feel that I deserved that.

586
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:16.200
<v Speaker 6>However, for those of you who have no food.

587
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<v Speaker 3>Who I am?

588
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.119
<v Speaker 6>I am currently assigned for crimecy units in the North

589
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:25.960
<v Speaker 6>Petrol planet area. I am certified crimesy Investigator, certified like

590
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:27.519
<v Speaker 6>ing of Friends examiner.

591
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:29.880
<v Speaker 3>I've been to the National Forensic.

592
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<v Speaker 6>Academy, and I didn't have to help to the National

593
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:38.480
<v Speaker 6>Forensic test so many years ago. I started specializing in

594
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.160
<v Speaker 6>not just the dermal ridges of fingerprints that I was desigating,

595
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:46.559
<v Speaker 6>but how they actually what happens during that distortion of

596
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.880
<v Speaker 6>in the ground, all the cars.

597
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:49.720
<v Speaker 3>What's happening.

598
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:53.160
<v Speaker 6>I've been past just sharing how to hype ay things,

599
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.599
<v Speaker 6>and that's honestly, when we're going we're having to put

600
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<v Speaker 6>those fingerprints into context.

601
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<v Speaker 3>And not just I found anything of friends and now I.

602
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:06.400
<v Speaker 6>D so what happened was is I started surfing coming

603
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:07.720
<v Speaker 6>back off how I got into this.

604
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:12.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm a ext turkey hunter. I still go out and

605
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:13.240
<v Speaker 3>stop them and.

606
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:16.039
<v Speaker 6>Find them for some of my friends, all right, I

607
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:18.400
<v Speaker 6>basically dropped the pin and say here they are.

608
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:20.519
<v Speaker 3>I enjoy the search.

609
00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 6>Walking through the words, I had two rather unique things

610
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:27.000
<v Speaker 6>that happened to me. And once you find where they're roosting,

611
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.839
<v Speaker 6>you could throw that long walk off. Walking through the

612
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:32.880
<v Speaker 6>woods at ninety years and in the beginning it was

613
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:34.480
<v Speaker 6>just three hundred eighty three acres.

614
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 3>I knew the.

615
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:38.160
<v Speaker 6>Woods very well, very comfortable with all the sounds, knew

616
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.880
<v Speaker 6>all the animals I only carry.

617
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:43.960
<v Speaker 3>I looked back one I thank god, we're so souping.

618
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:47.519
<v Speaker 3>But I had a little red flashlight.

619
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.119
<v Speaker 6>That I would turn on and just leave on my pack,

620
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:51.039
<v Speaker 6>and I'd follow my little trail.

621
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<v Speaker 3>Back and just enjoy the nights.

622
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.160
<v Speaker 6>I was walking on a rich a.

623
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<v Speaker 3>Little bit ways down a ridge on a game trail.

624
00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:01.519
<v Speaker 6>I heard what kind of like set happened to my right,

625
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.119
<v Speaker 6>and I thought immediately it was my friends messing with me.

626
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:08.119
<v Speaker 6>A bunch of other police officers out there in the

627
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.480
<v Speaker 6>field and like the typical stupid thing that you turned

628
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.200
<v Speaker 6>around and you say, that's a good way to get

629
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.039
<v Speaker 6>shot guys, and that kind of thing. There was no answer,

630
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:19.240
<v Speaker 6>so I thought maybe it was a thing to.

631
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:21.200
<v Speaker 3>Be Bob was messing with our STU cards, some of

632
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:21.960
<v Speaker 3>our cameras.

633
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 6>We kept having cares that were out and a lot

634
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:26.880
<v Speaker 6>of activity for deer and turkey.

635
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.319
<v Speaker 3>We kept having no pictures coming up on their trail papers.

636
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.759
<v Speaker 6>And it made no sense, so we assumed that there

637
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.599
<v Speaker 6>was somebody messing with our someone out there poaching, and

638
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 6>we caught someone coaching before, and we thought maybe they

639
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Speaker 6>were deleting the pictures stuff like that. About that time

640
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.440
<v Speaker 6>I looked down into the valley and it wasn't a

641
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:47.000
<v Speaker 6>large valley. Was that time when you set up the

642
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.160
<v Speaker 6>deer standing to seek the bottle, so it's not more

643
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.759
<v Speaker 6>like a hob And at that time I saw my

644
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:57.519
<v Speaker 6>very first red lights moving very slowly down in the

645
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<v Speaker 6>bottom of this little valley, and for a brief home

646
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.599
<v Speaker 6>it had me. I was distracted, and then I panicked

647
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.519
<v Speaker 6>because I realized that I had forgotten about the steps

648
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.559
<v Speaker 6>that were happening. Sat over so my right Telly what

649
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:12.759
<v Speaker 6>do you do with that? So my first instinct was,

650
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:15.319
<v Speaker 6>all right, I'm going to do what.

651
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.240
<v Speaker 3>A turkey car does. I'll back up into a shadow,

652
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.519
<v Speaker 3>up against a tree, and I'm just gonna sit this

653
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<v Speaker 3>some like.

654
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<v Speaker 6>I looked back down the red lights. Gard had heard

655
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<v Speaker 6>me think at twenty minutes. I sat against that tree

656
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:29.200
<v Speaker 6>for twenty minutes and I started to walk in. There's

657
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.720
<v Speaker 6>those steps again, and it's it's a typical story where

658
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:36.400
<v Speaker 6>you hear something distracted. It was clearly two feet. Can

659
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.720
<v Speaker 6>I say it has anything to do with place with No,

660
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 6>I can not in my role. I just know there

661
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.359
<v Speaker 6>was two feet following all of that camp. It is

662
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<v Speaker 6>a mile and a half and it was a weird

663
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.079
<v Speaker 6>red light that happened to go with I don't know

664
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<v Speaker 6>what that means. My friends didn't believe me.

665
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.799
<v Speaker 3>One did.

666
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:55.200
<v Speaker 6>This is where the big Foot. They started sitting around

667
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.920
<v Speaker 6>the camp in a Darsville, Georgia watching finding Bigfoot on

668
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:02.119
<v Speaker 6>our table, drinking beer around the fire. The good news

669
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:03.599
<v Speaker 6>is they were police.

670
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.279
<v Speaker 3>Piles that I've been through things with. I knew they were.

671
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:07.920
<v Speaker 6>Making fun, but I could tell us something. Agree They

672
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 6>were believing me a little bit.

673
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.839
<v Speaker 9>And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see We'll

674
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<v Speaker 9>be right back after these messages.

675
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:15.039
<v Speaker 3>And.

676
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 6>The very next time, it was about a year later,

677
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.039
<v Speaker 6>my brother brought his son to go camping at the

678
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:25.000
<v Speaker 6>exact same place.

679
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.480
<v Speaker 3>We decided we would set up a big char tent

680
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:30.039
<v Speaker 3>for him to make you feel comfortable.

681
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.319
<v Speaker 6>His son was only ten years old. He literally he said,

682
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:36.200
<v Speaker 6>Uncle David was that? And I turned and looked, and

683
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.680
<v Speaker 6>there's that same dang red light floating through the trees.

684
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:42.680
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know what to do with those sides

685
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:43.359
<v Speaker 3>of things.

686
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:47.440
<v Speaker 6>And the one other experience is a same guy sitting

687
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 6>around the fire, same place.

688
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:53.359
<v Speaker 3>I had a friend of mine leaning forward to say, hey,

689
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:55.039
<v Speaker 3>fucking points behind us.

690
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:56.759
<v Speaker 6>And I had tripped my head, like I don't know,

691
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.759
<v Speaker 6>I don't hear anything, and he said yes, and then

692
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.519
<v Speaker 6>he did that thing that everybody doesn't want to happen.

693
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:07.319
<v Speaker 3>He said one, two, and he said threep and turned

694
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.039
<v Speaker 3>around and started running. I was like thanks, So I turned.

695
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.720
<v Speaker 6>Around and started running with him, and legit, you could

696
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:16.480
<v Speaker 6>hear the two sets running through the leaves. We were

697
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:17.680
<v Speaker 6>right behind it, shot.

698
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.400
<v Speaker 3>In our flashlights and it felt like we were back

699
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:23.200
<v Speaker 3>out on the street again, chasing someone.

700
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.400
<v Speaker 6>And I knew what he meant when he said, yeah,

701
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.519
<v Speaker 6>what the hell again, what they are? And I knew what

702
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.880
<v Speaker 6>he meant because our life should be shining on right

703
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.559
<v Speaker 6>where we were seeing these sets like we could. It

704
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.279
<v Speaker 6>should be right in front of us, but we couldn't

705
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:37.640
<v Speaker 6>see it.

706
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.480
<v Speaker 3>And then out of nowhere, the sets stopped and it

707
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:41.319
<v Speaker 3>sounded like a.

708
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.720
<v Speaker 6>Car door shut in the middle of the woods. But

709
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.160
<v Speaker 6>he just stopped, and he said, what the He goes,

710
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 6>check your phone, check your phone. I was like, check

711
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:51.000
<v Speaker 6>my phone for what? And he says the road. I said,

712
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.200
<v Speaker 6>there's no roads here. You've been hunting here forever. There's

713
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:53.880
<v Speaker 6>no road here.

714
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:55.720
<v Speaker 3>He said, no, check it. There's gonna be one close thine,

715
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 3>maybe it's down the hill. So I check it. I'm like, look,

716
00:31:58.599 --> 00:31:59.640
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing here.

717
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.799
<v Speaker 6>So those are three experiences that I can't say have

718
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 6>anything to do with Thickfoot, But what they did do

719
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.559
<v Speaker 6>is say open the door to the possibility.

720
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 3>For someone like me to say the line to say

721
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 3>that bigbook doesn't make this if I've had these experiences myself.

722
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:20.000
<v Speaker 3>So then what I decided to do was, Hey, I've

723
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:20.720
<v Speaker 3>been doing.

724
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Speaker 6>This study and studying how the distortion happened to people

725
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:28.480
<v Speaker 6>step into things or touch things. Just set on a

726
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 6>wheel and let me look up some thickfoot stuff. Let

727
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:33.440
<v Speaker 6>me see if I could find some dermal regions on thickfoot.

728
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.160
<v Speaker 6>It turns out that is really hard to find. So

729
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:39.640
<v Speaker 6>I'm scrolling through the Internet and I'm looking at all

730
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 6>these different pictures, and what I see is a bunch

731
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 6>of pictures that looked like they could be something, but

732
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 6>they weren't taken a while enough for someone want me

733
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.480
<v Speaker 6>to take notes zoom in. It would be bored and

734
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:54.599
<v Speaker 6>be taken at an angle from the side.

735
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.599
<v Speaker 3>Nothing for someone in my.

736
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:01.799
<v Speaker 6>Area of expertise that would make me stoppage. And then

737
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.799
<v Speaker 6>it dawned on me that as I'm scrolling and skipping

738
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 6>through these pictures, what if I actually have scroll paths,

739
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 6>an actual.

740
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Big put in the pressure and it just wants a

741
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 3>document the proper.

742
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:16.200
<v Speaker 6>So I don't get to get out of the field

743
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.039
<v Speaker 6>as much as everybody else so much as the shaming

744
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:20.319
<v Speaker 6>over here has spend a lot.

745
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 3>Of time out there. So I'm still technically behind that

746
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:24.759
<v Speaker 3>desk a lot.

747
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:27.960
<v Speaker 6>It's doing a lot of analysis going out and actually

748
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 6>doing prime scenes.

749
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:32.480
<v Speaker 3>We're homicide and sexual assault last week. I don't get

750
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:32.880
<v Speaker 3>to do it.

751
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.640
<v Speaker 6>But what I'm hoping is that if I can impart

752
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 6>some type of knowledge on how to maybe collect this

753
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:42.279
<v Speaker 6>evidence a little better, so maybe some people in my

754
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 6>field may actually look at it and stop and take notice.

755
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.559
<v Speaker 6>Maybe some things can start to change, because shame said

756
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 6>things need to change. We've been doing the same thing over.

757
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.559
<v Speaker 3>And over for sixty something years now and nothing is

758
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:57.240
<v Speaker 3>really changing.

759
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 6>Luckily, we have people that are now already going to say, hey,

760
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 6>this is an arguing we need to start produce something

761
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 6>slightly different.

762
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:05.680
<v Speaker 3>At least try it.

763
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.480
<v Speaker 6>I like the open mindedness up the infrasound. That's a

764
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 6>novel approach. Maybe we need to set up some experiments

765
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 6>and get out in the field to pend some equipment

766
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.800
<v Speaker 6>out and start measuring these things see if it actually exists.

767
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:19.880
<v Speaker 6>If not, maybe we can exclude it and move on.

768
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.519
<v Speaker 6>So one of the things that we do that I

769
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:25.639
<v Speaker 6>am lucky to be a part of is to silence

770
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:27.840
<v Speaker 6>those other things. I'm also a part of a cold

771
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:31.360
<v Speaker 6>case task force and a conviction Integrity unit for Fulton

772
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.199
<v Speaker 6>County down in Atlanta. We get to look at old

773
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.840
<v Speaker 6>cases figure out if there was a problem pentically or

774
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 6>law wise and say, hey, are there any issues here.

775
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.239
<v Speaker 6>One of the first things that you'll find that you

776
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.039
<v Speaker 6>do having the new knowledge is the new ways of

777
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:51.480
<v Speaker 6>doing things. Is you want to immediately critique or be

778
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:52.239
<v Speaker 6>a critic of.

779
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:53.440
<v Speaker 3>The way things were done.

780
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 6>But you have to remember there is this different mindset

781
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:59.480
<v Speaker 6>at the time, different ways of thinking, different tools, different technologies,

782
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 6>just done different So it's easy to say, hey, they

783
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.239
<v Speaker 6>should have done this, should have done that, but something

784
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:08.159
<v Speaker 6>they did do well.

785
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:10.239
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not saying that we need to immediately just

786
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.400
<v Speaker 3>leave and start doing.

787
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.199
<v Speaker 6>It a whole new way, but we just need to

788
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:17.360
<v Speaker 6>keep that in mind as we move forward, because things

789
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:18.440
<v Speaker 6>do need to change.

790
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:21.039
<v Speaker 3>So what might be some of.

791
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.639
<v Speaker 6>The things that we need to revisit and watched forgotten tasts?

792
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.280
<v Speaker 6>We have famous tasts that we are looking to as exemplopers,

793
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.719
<v Speaker 6>and an exemplar is something that we say is this

794
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.400
<v Speaker 6>is the Bigfoot pass. This is what represents the Bigfoot repression.

795
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.519
<v Speaker 6>So we're going to measure all the other rooms that

796
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.679
<v Speaker 6>we find later against this particular one. I'm here to

797
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 6>tell you that I've been lucky enough to get my

798
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 6>hands on some of those famous tasts of Barrickman syns

799
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.280
<v Speaker 6>them to me. I do analysis almost in the back,

800
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 6>and I have found some major issues with something. The

801
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:58.920
<v Speaker 6>context is important though, when remember I'm talking about different

802
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:03.159
<v Speaker 6>time periods. I'm not saying you were intentional by trying

803
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.920
<v Speaker 6>to host. You don't know what the intent is. You

804
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 6>can only say, hey, I bound the posits because you

805
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 6>either have someone who used such the impression before it

806
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.559
<v Speaker 6>was task or at the time using claster not dental sow.

807
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:18.800
<v Speaker 3>It sets picture class.

808
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 6>At the time, setting longer, pulling it up too soon,

809
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.159
<v Speaker 6>and mishandling it inadvertently putting fingerprints or marks on it.

810
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:27.599
<v Speaker 6>So that's something else to keep in mind and not

811
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.800
<v Speaker 6>immediately go to this person with the hopes of just

812
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 6>different time periods, different ways of collecting.

813
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Evidence early field refors file up a long time.

814
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 6>Ago, not really looking at it. We've got some people

815
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:43.400
<v Speaker 6>are using it for content for YouTubers, different channels, things

816
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 6>like that, but too hard to separate. Having shame alluded

817
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.480
<v Speaker 6>to it a little bit, it's getting it hard to

818
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:50.480
<v Speaker 6>separate between entertainment.

819
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.320
<v Speaker 3>And some of the true research that's going on, and

820
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:54.880
<v Speaker 3>sometimes that muddies that water.

821
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.400
<v Speaker 6>They might actually be showing you a real, actual reports

822
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:02.480
<v Speaker 6>that we need to be paying attention too, but it's

823
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:05.719
<v Speaker 6>on a particular show that may not always be telling

824
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.960
<v Speaker 6>real research, so we gets harm. It's all the difference.

825
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.039
<v Speaker 6>So I think, what needs to happen, Just like in.

826
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 3>The cold cases, we need to go back.

827
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:17.320
<v Speaker 6>And start re looking at some of the older evidence

828
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.360
<v Speaker 6>along with changing the way that we're doing things to happen.

829
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 6>So this is an example of looking back at some

830
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 6>of the older casts. I thought it was hilarious because

831
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:28.840
<v Speaker 6>remember I only been doing this for a year.

832
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:29.159
<v Speaker 3>And a half.

833
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.119
<v Speaker 6>So I'm looking at this and going, I don't understand

834
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:37.039
<v Speaker 6>why everybody is debating around this particular cast. And if

835
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:39.800
<v Speaker 6>you don't know what the debate is, there's a rock.

836
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.159
<v Speaker 6>Somehow the flesh just wrap itself around the rock, and

837
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.840
<v Speaker 6>that's what everybody seems to be centering. Now I've looked

838
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 6>at the pictures and I have, so what we're not

839
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.199
<v Speaker 6>seeing is that rock is actually fairly leveled with the grounds.

840
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.559
<v Speaker 3>So my big contention is one of the first things.

841
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:58.760
<v Speaker 6>We do is we get a cast, we look at

842
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:02.079
<v Speaker 6>the pictures and we try to do a reconstruction. Is

843
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 6>the cast actually come from this impression? There's your side

844
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:11.599
<v Speaker 6>by side. If you'll notice what's happening here is we're

845
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:14.679
<v Speaker 6>actually missing the top portion of that poe. Now in

846
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.719
<v Speaker 6>Krantz's paper, he will writes a squi little blurder that

847
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:20.480
<v Speaker 6>just says missing. Tough.

848
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.440
<v Speaker 3>That's it. No one addresses it, no one goes any further.

849
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:26.679
<v Speaker 6>And it's crazy because everyone's focusing on the bottom and

850
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.599
<v Speaker 6>not the missing. So that goes into it. You know,

851
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.280
<v Speaker 6>at the time, we need to be very careful about

852
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 6>what we're looking at. We have a piece of evidence

853
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:35.280
<v Speaker 6>in front of us. Are we going to be passing

854
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.320
<v Speaker 6>it properly? How do you missus pose?

855
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.440
<v Speaker 3>And you're passing something that we may be change the world.

856
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:44.280
<v Speaker 6>That's a big deal with The other issue that I

857
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:47.400
<v Speaker 6>have that's not mentioned anywhere that I can find.

858
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<v Speaker 3>Is in the missing tup.

859
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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if you can see it, but right

860
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.599
<v Speaker 6>underneath that yellow circle there is another intention. This particular

861
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.559
<v Speaker 6>cast is actually a double step. You can see what

862
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.199
<v Speaker 6>looks like a giant large toe on the cast on

863
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:02.599
<v Speaker 6>the right, but on the left you can actually if

864
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 6>you're paying attention, you can see where there's two large

865
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.480
<v Speaker 6>bows on us. At the time in the early eighties

866
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:09.880
<v Speaker 6>when this was happening. Everybody was looking for the next

867
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:13.639
<v Speaker 6>big thing. We need to publish something, we need a pictures.

868
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Here Russian the judgment.

869
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.840
<v Speaker 6>We were publishing things really fast, trying to get I'm

870
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:20.880
<v Speaker 6>the next big guy. And they were sipping sets within

871
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.360
<v Speaker 6>the first community, and that happened a lot within the

872
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 6>anthropological side. And this particular trackway, there's another one the

873
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.679
<v Speaker 6>full left. This opposedly has dermal ridges in it, and

874
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 6>it's called displayed if that's what they call it, but

875
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 6>it's not.

876
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.360
<v Speaker 3>It's actually a bear. And I'm going to go to

877
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.119
<v Speaker 3>the far side really fast. I know people.

878
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:43.719
<v Speaker 6>The first thing people say is bears don't have thermaltages,

879
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.239
<v Speaker 6>So I know this can't fee a fair.

880
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 3>So when I first started doing all of this.

881
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.559
<v Speaker 6>I needed to know how to differentiate what is a

882
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:54.519
<v Speaker 6>bear what is not a bear.

883
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 3>So for the last nine months I've been working with

884
00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:59.199
<v Speaker 3>some major zooms sanctuaries.

885
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:01.440
<v Speaker 6>I've been able to go with part Take and they

886
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 6>put the bears ever for medical surgery.

887
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:04.639
<v Speaker 3>Stuff like that.

888
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.079
<v Speaker 6>I get to go and photograph and doctum every bear falls.

889
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:10.599
<v Speaker 3>So it turns out that during.

890
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:13.119
<v Speaker 6>Certain cycles of the bears called pad life, that some

891
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:18.440
<v Speaker 6>of their dermal pathway actually form in rows that can

892
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:22.559
<v Speaker 6>mimic sometimes human dermal origins. Am I in any way

893
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 6>saying that people could accidentally mistake a bear trap for

894
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:26.760
<v Speaker 6>a human trap.

895
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.119
<v Speaker 3>Note, but on some of those really.

896
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:32.000
<v Speaker 6>Bad tracks that you can't really see anything and they

897
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.280
<v Speaker 6>happen to have dermals in them.

898
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:35.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying it's something to keep in mind. But

899
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.719
<v Speaker 3>a while that there were some people that were taking

900
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:39.639
<v Speaker 3>a few liberties.

901
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.800
<v Speaker 6>Oh with that information, I'm not really share Chrotocols aren't

902
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:45.920
<v Speaker 6>born from success, They're born from the stakes.

903
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:48.239
<v Speaker 3>So I get to get up here and say that.

904
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.519
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I have all these expertise and talk like I

905
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.199
<v Speaker 6>know what I'm talking about, and I'm here to tell

906
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:53.519
<v Speaker 6>you I've made some big ones.

907
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:55.199
<v Speaker 3>I have tripped over dead people.

908
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.400
<v Speaker 6>I've dropped a camera filter into a pull of Like ironically,

909
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:03.599
<v Speaker 6>I put this up thinking that was from three years ago,

910
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.599
<v Speaker 6>and I did it last week. I didn't follow one

911
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 6>of my own procedures because I got the places. Usually

912
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:11.280
<v Speaker 6>when I take out my camera my truck, I take

913
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.119
<v Speaker 6>the build through off the new stap off, poss it

914
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:15.960
<v Speaker 6>on the front seat so I could find it. This

915
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.559
<v Speaker 6>I literally dropped it in the pull of blood right

916
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:22.039
<v Speaker 6>next to the bio. So we all make mistakes, and

917
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.440
<v Speaker 6>the key behind telling you this, or the reason behind

918
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 6>is you have to own your mistakes. You don't get

919
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.920
<v Speaker 6>to try to fix them, cover it up, try to

920
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.320
<v Speaker 6>hide it. So for me, unfortunately, I went ahead and

921
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.599
<v Speaker 6>photographed the entire scene with.

922
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:43.199
<v Speaker 3>That camera lens cover sitting right there in the book.

923
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Did not remember.

924
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:48.159
<v Speaker 6>It's gonna be embarrassing at especially in my credentials. I

925
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:51.199
<v Speaker 6>get to testify the extport witnesses Ulton County all the time,

926
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.679
<v Speaker 6>and now I'm gonna have to go before it and say, yeah,

927
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:56.320
<v Speaker 6>I did that.

928
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:57.760
<v Speaker 3>But if you thought I was going.

929
00:41:57.679 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 6>To remove it and leave some kind of weird mark

930
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:01.800
<v Speaker 6>in that blood because it was startingming co jail and

931
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:03.519
<v Speaker 6>then try to come up with a reason of what

932
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:07.239
<v Speaker 6>that mark was, that's a surefire way to ruin my integrity,

933
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:12.000
<v Speaker 6>my credibility, and never be taken seriously again. So we

934
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.719
<v Speaker 6>all make mistakes, we all do stuff. But the point

935
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:18.320
<v Speaker 6>is we learn along the way, and that's the biggest thing.

936
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 6>We don't get to just start off going all right,

937
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.639
<v Speaker 6>I have this checklist, I know what I'm doing, follow

938
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:27.840
<v Speaker 6>it down. Boom, I'm just it's nice.

939
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 3>I still work from a checklist, but sometimes you get ahead.

940
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:35.639
<v Speaker 6>Of yourself, you get tunnel vision, you get excited. I've

941
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.880
<v Speaker 6>been doing this forever, and you make mistakes.

942
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're all going to do it. You just have

943
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:43.800
<v Speaker 3>to own it, document it.

944
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.039
<v Speaker 6>It's just that easy. So this is what I was

945
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:50.039
<v Speaker 6>hitting at earlier about I'm mainly in the last and

946
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.360
<v Speaker 6>out of crime scenes. I'm working full time and doing

947
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:54.599
<v Speaker 6>this as a side hobby.

948
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:58.079
<v Speaker 3>But you guys are the ones going out there.

949
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.360
<v Speaker 6>So I have to ask you can truly believe it's

950
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:05.760
<v Speaker 6>an undiscovered crimate or interdimensional being or even something stranger,

951
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:09.320
<v Speaker 6>and you're standing in front of physical evidence, how seriously

952
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:10.400
<v Speaker 6>are you treating it?

953
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Think about it.

954
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 6>We're talking about something undiscovered, not yet proven. Shame was

955
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 6>alluding to it. It's a big deal of that. Think

956
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:20.800
<v Speaker 6>about what it means for the world scientifically. If you

957
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:24.480
<v Speaker 6>were able to actually show some real evidence, some real proof,

958
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 6>it's a huge deal. So why detracts matter? The big

959
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.599
<v Speaker 6>new thing is e DNA going after DNA.

960
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:34.199
<v Speaker 3>Why detracts matter? Number one?

961
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 6>It's the main foot it's the main piece of evidence

962
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:41.719
<v Speaker 6>that we're finding length and will we haven't really established

963
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:45.119
<v Speaker 6>a known length and WI. Sometimes we assume things are

964
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:49.239
<v Speaker 6>juvenile because of the length and whip. Sometimes we make

965
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.239
<v Speaker 6>a lot of assumptions. Right now, we don't really have

966
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:55.559
<v Speaker 6>the No One stamus. But if we're collecting the data

967
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:59.000
<v Speaker 6>regularly like we should be, then we can actually start

968
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:02.719
<v Speaker 6>to develop pattern and we can review look at those

969
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 6>paths and I don't know.

970
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:08.719
<v Speaker 3>It seems simple, right, but it's not really happening. It's

971
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:09.400
<v Speaker 3>happening like.

972
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.320
<v Speaker 6>What RPG alluded to. A lot of us are holding

973
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:17.920
<v Speaker 6>on to our research. We're holding onto our information and

974
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.400
<v Speaker 6>we're not sharing it. And that's calibered upper and it

975
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.639
<v Speaker 6>goes against everything to do with science.

976
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 3>You shouldn't be paying to download a paper. They do

977
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:30.320
<v Speaker 3>it within my own field. It's horrible.

978
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:33.559
<v Speaker 6>I publish a paper and then some other company bis

979
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.280
<v Speaker 6>it next thing. You know, if you want to read it,

980
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 6>you're having to take it butts to subscribe to the company.

981
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:41.840
<v Speaker 6>It's ridiculous. But we have a choice here where we

982
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:45.360
<v Speaker 6>don't do that because we're not pure reviewing or even

983
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.599
<v Speaker 6>publishing papers. But we do have an opportunity to use

984
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.960
<v Speaker 6>the start that we have to share that information. But

985
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 6>we have to be transparent about how we got it.

986
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.519
<v Speaker 6>You have to be transparent about how we measured it,

987
00:44:58.599 --> 00:44:59.960
<v Speaker 6>how we photographed it.

988
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:03.679
<v Speaker 9>Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be

989
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:05.199
<v Speaker 9>right back after these.

990
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:13.320
<v Speaker 6>Messages, so all those things that we can get. So

991
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:17.719
<v Speaker 6>going back to the photograph that I initially saw, Hey,

992
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:19.360
<v Speaker 6>this might actually be something, but I.

993
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Just moved on. One of the key things that.

994
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.280
<v Speaker 6>We do when photographing the sub crime scene is is

995
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.199
<v Speaker 6>we live by three cendents, overalls.

996
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:29.239
<v Speaker 3>Mid ranges, can closet up.

997
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.519
<v Speaker 6>How many people have seen this particular kind of photo

998
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:35.039
<v Speaker 6>and it just said I saw there's on the trailer.

999
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:39.440
<v Speaker 3>The other day. It literally gives you nothing. There is

1000
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 3>nothing there. It's close.

1001
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 6>So I made that image on the top and then

1002
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.239
<v Speaker 6>within thirty seconds with the free program, paint erased my

1003
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:53.360
<v Speaker 6>fight tracks, my shoe impression and made it just as

1004
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:55.480
<v Speaker 6>a point we show you I can make those thirty

1005
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:59.360
<v Speaker 6>seconds and post it all on. We have to start questioning.

1006
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:02.599
<v Speaker 3>Things, and the things that I'm seeing in this community

1007
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 3>is it's almost like a forbidden thing to question, and

1008
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:08.039
<v Speaker 3>that's not cool.

1009
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:11.880
<v Speaker 6>You should be allowed to question something without being ostracized,

1010
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:16.159
<v Speaker 6>called a non believer or yelled at or I believe

1011
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:17.480
<v Speaker 6>there's possibility.

1012
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:19.159
<v Speaker 3>There's I know there's something out in the woods. I

1013
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 3>don't know what it is.

1014
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:24.119
<v Speaker 6>I haven't had the pleasure of having that experience, but

1015
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.760
<v Speaker 6>I do know that you have to start questioning things

1016
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.360
<v Speaker 6>and being more discerning, especially with the development of AI.

1017
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.719
<v Speaker 3>The reseconds on a free program of how you can

1018
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:33.639
<v Speaker 3>change images.

1019
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.760
<v Speaker 6>So the first thing, and again Shane alluded to it.

1020
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.519
<v Speaker 6>He deluded to a lot of things. He can basically

1021
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:42.280
<v Speaker 6>teased me up. Really nice, we have tunneled it.

1022
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:44.599
<v Speaker 3>We find a track, Oh my god, there's a track.

1023
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:47.480
<v Speaker 6>What are some of those things that we need to

1024
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 6>do before we start passing, before we start ruining other evs.

1025
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:54.079
<v Speaker 6>It's just like a crime scene.

1026
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:55.480
<v Speaker 3>If I find a foot there, I think is they

1027
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 3>put almost.

1028
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:58.159
<v Speaker 6>Treat it like there's a body in the woods, and

1029
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.760
<v Speaker 6>I'm going to address it that way because I may.

1030
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Find something really cool.

1031
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:04.800
<v Speaker 6>And I get to say when someone questions me and

1032
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 6>asks me every question they possibly can, I get pretient

1033
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 6>like I'm in court and going no, I did it

1034
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 6>the right way and this this and this is why.

1035
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.159
<v Speaker 6>So you have to secure the area. And one of

1036
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 6>the first things you do when you get television, and

1037
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:19.559
<v Speaker 6>when you find that footprint, you start screaming, oh my god, everybody,

1038
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:20.199
<v Speaker 6>I found.

1039
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.519
<v Speaker 3>A footprint premiere and everybody comes running from all directions to.

1040
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.280
<v Speaker 6>Come look at it and trample over all this other

1041
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.880
<v Speaker 6>possible evidence that may be there, because what you haven't

1042
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 6>figured out yet is what direction the track layer came

1043
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.599
<v Speaker 6>from when it made that impression of the ground. You

1044
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:39.800
<v Speaker 6>don't know where it came from. It could have come

1045
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.280
<v Speaker 6>in hurt, and now you have everybody trampling around all

1046
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 6>that evidence. The first thing we do is check the weather.

1047
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.440
<v Speaker 6>What kind of time do we have? Is it getting

1048
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.840
<v Speaker 6>a rain anytime soon? Or a strong winds coming? Do

1049
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:54.320
<v Speaker 6>we need to start setting up something to block this

1050
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:59.880
<v Speaker 6>wind that may be coming, or set up something to.

1051
00:47:58.559 --> 00:47:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Stop this rain.

1052
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 6>There's so many different questions you. That's the first thing

1053
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 6>we ask. And then what are my resources? And when

1054
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 6>I mean by resources, i'm talking about equipment. You'll have

1055
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.119
<v Speaker 6>a passing material. Do I need to send somebody to

1056
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.519
<v Speaker 6>go get more casting material while I start to document

1057
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:18.159
<v Speaker 6>everything else? Because we're on the timeline, is there a

1058
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 6>better track if you only have limited resources, Say you

1059
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.480
<v Speaker 6>only got that two pounds of ultrapow or perfect pass left,

1060
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:28.760
<v Speaker 6>and you have to make a decision which your task

1061
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.639
<v Speaker 6>if I gotta do and how do you determine that

1062
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:35.480
<v Speaker 6>which one has the best details? We create a marked

1063
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:39.719
<v Speaker 6>tas we'll actually widen out the area, take it all

1064
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:43.280
<v Speaker 6>and we'll actually create a path with flags or tape

1065
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 6>or something, and that's how we come in and out

1066
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:51.519
<v Speaker 6>until we decided otherwise if you have to sometimes slow down.

1067
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:53.440
<v Speaker 6>It was just like Shane said, you got to slow down.

1068
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:56.079
<v Speaker 6>And I have legit walked around the corner and been

1069
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:59.360
<v Speaker 6>surprised by seeing at twenty two years in, I walk

1070
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.440
<v Speaker 6>around a corner and every once in a while I go, I.

1071
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Don't know, like this is that thing is slowly back out.

1072
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:07.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm like watching where I'm walking.

1073
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 6>I know I have to get out, pre plan, think

1074
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:14.960
<v Speaker 6>about what's gonna happen next, but I'm always tatting it

1075
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 6>on where I'm stepping, and it didn't come naturally at first.

1076
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:21.920
<v Speaker 6>Now I can tell you what finger touch something, what

1077
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.320
<v Speaker 6>foot touched something, where it was. It's a hard thing

1078
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.920
<v Speaker 6>to do, but it takes time. So this is starting

1079
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:32.159
<v Speaker 6>to be on the right track. Okay, so this is

1080
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:35.159
<v Speaker 6>how we begin our documentation on a single track, and

1081
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.599
<v Speaker 6>even with a single fingerprints, we would literally write I

1082
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:41.360
<v Speaker 6>put a marker here giving it an item number, and

1083
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:44.039
<v Speaker 6>this is in case I find some other evidence later,

1084
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:46.599
<v Speaker 6>then I can get that an item number, and that

1085
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:47.239
<v Speaker 6>an item number.

1086
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm actually going to write a report, I'm going

1087
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:50.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna refer.

1088
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:54.480
<v Speaker 6>To these idel numbers as we go, so you can't

1089
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:57.079
<v Speaker 6>really see it, but right here as a flag, this

1090
00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:58.960
<v Speaker 6>is where I'm going to start taking all my overall

1091
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 6>photographs putting this print into context. You need to be

1092
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 6>able to tell how many times have you seen a

1093
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:08.559
<v Speaker 6>footprint online and you're asked.

1094
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Where was it? It's just simple question everybody.

1095
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:14.039
<v Speaker 6>Asks and you don't even have to go by their

1096
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:17.280
<v Speaker 6>word instead of the pictures that show you where they

1097
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:20.840
<v Speaker 6>found this. So what you do on these overall photographs,

1098
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:24.440
<v Speaker 6>you take a series of three hundred and sixty degree

1099
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:27.960
<v Speaker 6>photographs is overlap one another. So in the end you

1100
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:31.760
<v Speaker 6>basically lay out all these photographs and you can see everything.

1101
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.400
<v Speaker 3>Around up there is no doubt.

1102
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:37.880
<v Speaker 6>Of where this particular location wants and something else. People

1103
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:43.159
<v Speaker 6>like to censor their impression in the photograph is not necessary.

1104
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.760
<v Speaker 6>As long as it's in the photograph, it's not necessary.

1105
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.559
<v Speaker 6>Sometimes you can't. You're on a trail, small you're on

1106
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 6>the trail, you're on a small dirt road.

1107
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:53.199
<v Speaker 3>You need to move around.

1108
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.559
<v Speaker 6>And get this three hundred and sixty three overlapping photographs.

1109
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:57.519
<v Speaker 6>So you're not gonna always be able to put it

1110
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.239
<v Speaker 6>in the center. As long as it's in the photograph,

1111
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:03.920
<v Speaker 6>it doesn't matter. So now see you're starting to get

1112
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:08.320
<v Speaker 6>an idea of where I was, and it's very important.

1113
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:11.119
<v Speaker 6>So now what's happening is I'm actually starting to move

1114
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 6>in to some of those emit range shots. So before

1115
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.639
<v Speaker 6>when you have the overall shots, you were getting surrounding area.

1116
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:21.000
<v Speaker 6>Now what you can see. If this was more detailed,

1117
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.599
<v Speaker 6>it had a better monitor, you would starting to see

1118
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:27.360
<v Speaker 6>like deer tracks, some coniority tracks. You're starting to see

1119
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:31.239
<v Speaker 6>other things in the environment that may be a value later.

1120
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.880
<v Speaker 6>It can be a painstaking process, it really can't, but

1121
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:39.360
<v Speaker 6>it's necessary. So when someone starts asking you questions, it

1122
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:42.320
<v Speaker 6>puts things into context. I'm gonna keep saying the word context.

1123
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Over and over. You can see other animal tracks right

1124
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:46.880
<v Speaker 3>there in the ground. Is answering a lot of questions.

1125
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:49.519
<v Speaker 3>So where were they going?

1126
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:53.320
<v Speaker 6>We'll do this a lot right before we move into

1127
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.239
<v Speaker 6>the actual close up photographs of the ground.

1128
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.320
<v Speaker 3>I'll get down and show you what direction where were

1129
00:51:59.320 --> 00:51:59.639
<v Speaker 3>they going.

1130
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.400
<v Speaker 6>You can I chose this particular spot because deer we're

1131
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:04.760
<v Speaker 6>running through right here, and you can see that in

1132
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:06.360
<v Speaker 6>the brush right there was getting.

1133
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Pulled apart right here, and.

1134
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:13.320
<v Speaker 6>Where are they coming from. It's all helpful information and

1135
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.039
<v Speaker 6>it might not be and it's one.

1136
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.239
<v Speaker 3>Of the things that go back to the cold cases.

1137
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.039
<v Speaker 6>We look at those cold cases and I think, I

1138
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:21.000
<v Speaker 6>wish they would have got this.

1139
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.440
<v Speaker 3>I wish they would have documented that.

1140
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:28.280
<v Speaker 6>So we moved more into a we're going to document everything.

1141
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:31.480
<v Speaker 6>We're gonna take everything that we can because we don't

1142
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 6>know what may be valuable later. We don't know what

1143
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:38.079
<v Speaker 6>another expert that's in a different field may be looking

1144
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:41.719
<v Speaker 6>at our stuff and say, hey, I see something you

1145
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.840
<v Speaker 6>didn't have to see, something that was not of your specialty,

1146
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:47.599
<v Speaker 6>and I understand something else that's happened here.

1147
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:50.559
<v Speaker 3>So it's really important that we document everything.

1148
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:52.840
<v Speaker 6>So now we move into the close up and then

1149
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:54.760
<v Speaker 6>you can see there is a problem.

1150
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:58.440
<v Speaker 3>It's evening time. The sun's capting the shadow and we

1151
00:52:58.559 --> 00:52:59.440
<v Speaker 3>have a problem.

1152
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:03.280
<v Speaker 6>I have the scale and that the picture is now

1153
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:07.559
<v Speaker 6>parallel to the ground. The camera's parallel filling up the frame.

1154
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:12.280
<v Speaker 6>That's really important. So here's an example of problems with

1155
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:13.480
<v Speaker 6>not taking the.

1156
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Pictures parallel to the ground.

1157
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.920
<v Speaker 6>You can see it's the exact same fingerprint, just taking

1158
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:22.599
<v Speaker 6>at different angles. It's changing the appearance at that and

1159
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.400
<v Speaker 6>the same thing happens when we're taking pictures of footprints

1160
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:28.119
<v Speaker 6>in the ground. So why does it have to be parallel.

1161
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:32.840
<v Speaker 6>Here's a little experiment. We use this software called image jet.

1162
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:37.159
<v Speaker 6>It's three online software. Most of the science people are

1163
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.679
<v Speaker 6>using it for like precise measuring. It can go out

1164
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:40.960
<v Speaker 6>to like submillimeters.

1165
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Right here, I have a picture that looks very close

1166
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:44.760
<v Speaker 3>to being parallel.

1167
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:49.000
<v Speaker 6>On the right at my scale data, I measured ten

1168
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:52.159
<v Speaker 6>millimeters at the top and the yellow ten millimeters.

1169
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 3>It's avolve and.

1170
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.880
<v Speaker 6>The rest, and then I measure the distance. Those two

1171
00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:00.880
<v Speaker 6>distances are the same according to that program, I'm getting

1172
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.920
<v Speaker 6>two different measure at the top the red line as

1173
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:07.639
<v Speaker 6>this five hundred and sevent eighty nine millimeters almost three

1174
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.639
<v Speaker 6>eighty six. But I have a scale on the ground

1175
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:13.800
<v Speaker 6>and I measured out ten millimeters on topim ten millimeters

1176
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.360
<v Speaker 6>on the bottom. But because the camera angle is sewed,

1177
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 6>one looks longer than the other. That's why it has

1178
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:21.880
<v Speaker 6>to be parallel. Because if I'm going to get in

1179
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.920
<v Speaker 6>and start looking at thermo ridges measuring the width of

1180
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.000
<v Speaker 6>zum to see if they look all human, look like something.

1181
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Else, then I'm going to need to be able to

1182
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:35.519
<v Speaker 3>measure it properly. So it has to be parallel.

1183
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:38.679
<v Speaker 6>The only thing that's really good for having to scale

1184
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:40.360
<v Speaker 6>there and taking it not in parallels to give you

1185
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:43.639
<v Speaker 6>an idea of the lengthen it and approximation, but it's

1186
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:47.199
<v Speaker 6>not going to be precise. Here's the example of Now

1187
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:50.639
<v Speaker 6>it's parallel, so you see here it says seventeen point

1188
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:54.440
<v Speaker 6>eight or one inches or familiar four or fifty three

1189
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:58.000
<v Speaker 6>versus see it's actually somewhere in the minute, so it

1190
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:01.519
<v Speaker 6>makes a difference. Tips for dealing with the sun. I

1191
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:04.320
<v Speaker 6>have this cool umbrella that goes on your head. We

1192
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:08.880
<v Speaker 6>use actual umbrellas with arms at work, with actually long handles,

1193
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:12.599
<v Speaker 6>but they come in very handy for protecting the case

1194
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.280
<v Speaker 6>it's raining wind while we're doing something else.

1195
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I can cover that. One fits in my pack and

1196
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:21.480
<v Speaker 3>it's only a bit no big long handle. I can

1197
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:22.159
<v Speaker 3>pull it out.

1198
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.679
<v Speaker 6>And just drop it right on top and protect it

1199
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.400
<v Speaker 6>from wind, protect it from any rain that might be starting.

1200
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:29.360
<v Speaker 3>To happen while I handle some other side.

1201
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:34.039
<v Speaker 6>Very helpful. I also can create shade. I have provase

1202
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 6>taking pictures of that right now because there's a shadow being.

1203
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Cast over top of it. But if I take this little.

1204
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:43.159
<v Speaker 6>Handy device, there's just nothing more than a little mechanic

1205
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.079
<v Speaker 6>slash light with a long led on it. Like, so

1206
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.079
<v Speaker 6>I can create a shade and be able to take

1207
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:51.679
<v Speaker 6>it now, So now you can start to see the inside.

1208
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:54.079
<v Speaker 3>It makes a difference, it really does.

1209
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:56.920
<v Speaker 6>So what you're seeing now is the one on the

1210
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:58.920
<v Speaker 6>left is just a shadow with the picture, and then

1211
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.119
<v Speaker 6>the one on the right, and start to bring out

1212
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:03.440
<v Speaker 6>the details a little more with what we call holy flighting.

1213
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:06.480
<v Speaker 3>It's lighting being shot from the side, and then we

1214
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:07.199
<v Speaker 3>get closer.

1215
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:12.320
<v Speaker 6>So nowadays, honestly, this is where everyone used to stop

1216
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:14.760
<v Speaker 6>when we were taking pictures of footwear impressions.

1217
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:16.880
<v Speaker 3>Now we actually do a little more in detail.

1218
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.760
<v Speaker 6>We'll actually map out the inside of that footwear impression,

1219
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:23.239
<v Speaker 6>and you take more close ups on the inside of

1220
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.400
<v Speaker 6>that footwear repression, and then we're able to map it out,

1221
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Speaker 6>put it together and take high resolutions. So just so

1222
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:33.039
<v Speaker 6>you know, I know everybody talks about not being able

1223
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:36.440
<v Speaker 6>to afford a DS all our camera, We've done entire

1224
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:40.039
<v Speaker 6>crime scenes with our home. The phones are more miraculous tools.

1225
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:42.760
<v Speaker 6>They take awesome, great pictures, some of them are better,

1226
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:44.760
<v Speaker 6>better than some of the older DSRs.

1227
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:48.079
<v Speaker 3>And one thing I would caution you again, So there's

1228
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:48.719
<v Speaker 3>two things.

1229
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:53.760
<v Speaker 6>One is leaving it on that automatic optimization where it

1230
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.400
<v Speaker 6>basically creates all this extra contrast for you and tries

1231
00:56:57.440 --> 00:56:58.679
<v Speaker 6>to make a picture a look better.

1232
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:00.840
<v Speaker 3>It'll end up that picture.

1233
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:03.880
<v Speaker 6>If you try to zoom in, it'll create contrasts, and

1234
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:07.239
<v Speaker 6>when it creates that contrast, is adding information to that

1235
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:11.440
<v Speaker 6>image to create that contrast, and sometimes it covers over some.

1236
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Of those details.

1237
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.960
<v Speaker 6>The other thing is don't pension zoom with your phone

1238
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 6>to zoom in and take pictures. All that's doing is

1239
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.440
<v Speaker 6>it's a digital zoom. It's not actually zooming. It's just

1240
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.519
<v Speaker 6>taking the original photo and make it a bigger So

1241
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:26.039
<v Speaker 6>when I go to zoom in, I'm just going to

1242
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:28.239
<v Speaker 6>see a bunch of pixelations. I'm not going to actually

1243
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:30.320
<v Speaker 6>see the image. So you just have to bring the

1244
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.400
<v Speaker 6>phone in closer to the ground. If you're going to

1245
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:34.639
<v Speaker 6>be taking those kind of shots, those will be the

1246
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:37.039
<v Speaker 6>two biggest issues that I see when people are using their.

1247
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Calls, And if you're aware of that, you can avoid it.

1248
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:45.800
<v Speaker 6>Your goal is we've done forget the best card around, right,

1249
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.920
<v Speaker 6>so use the phone, and it ended up being beautiful.

1250
00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.000
<v Speaker 6>Just knowing those shortcomings with the phone and knowing how

1251
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.719
<v Speaker 6>to work it, it actually is very valuable. Cool. So

1252
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:58.320
<v Speaker 6>if you're going to start doing this again, it's three

1253
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.719
<v Speaker 6>hundred to sixty degrees, moving all the way around with

1254
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:04.840
<v Speaker 6>that lighting, because what's happening now is you're creating shadows,

1255
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.000
<v Speaker 6>and those shadows can actually go over top of some

1256
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:10.920
<v Speaker 6>of that information. So you could be creating but there's

1257
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:13.679
<v Speaker 6>a rock in your impression and you hit it. You

1258
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.199
<v Speaker 6>could cast a shadow over top of some dermal ridges.

1259
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:16.400
<v Speaker 4>And you miss.

1260
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:19.719
<v Speaker 3>So you're gonna have to move those life.

1261
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:21.559
<v Speaker 6>All the way around and take another series of three

1262
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:25.000
<v Speaker 6>hundred and sixty degrees. I realized this scens get really boring.

1263
00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:29.559
<v Speaker 6>But when we talk about bringing this information into an

1264
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:33.440
<v Speaker 6>analysis and actually trying to do something this work and

1265
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:37.880
<v Speaker 6>furthering this work scientifically, then you're gonna have people like

1266
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:41.679
<v Speaker 6>me start looking for these pictures, and if I don't

1267
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:44.599
<v Speaker 6>have them, I'm gonna move on. Then I'm gonna go

1268
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:47.800
<v Speaker 6>try to find something else. It's tame stacking, and it

1269
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.960
<v Speaker 6>hurts my heart when people know they have something and

1270
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:52.800
<v Speaker 6>they bring it to me and they say what do

1271
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:56.440
<v Speaker 6>you think? And my first thoughts is all the crowd.

1272
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.159
<v Speaker 3>You may have something, but it's not good.

1273
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:01.760
<v Speaker 6>I don't want to say that to anybody, because some

1274
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:07.360
<v Speaker 6>of this can get emotional. People have emotional experiences, unfortunately.

1275
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:08.559
<v Speaker 3>And I don't want people to take this the wrong way.

1276
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:11.440
<v Speaker 6>But I don't get to have emotions in this investigation.

1277
00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:14.440
<v Speaker 6>Stock It is what it is. I hope people hate that.

1278
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.920
<v Speaker 6>I hate period it, but when I'm looking at evidence,

1279
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.719
<v Speaker 6>it either is good enough or it's not. There's nothing

1280
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.800
<v Speaker 6>I can do about it but bore you with how

1281
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:27.639
<v Speaker 6>to try to get it right. So examples of regular

1282
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:31.840
<v Speaker 6>sunlight versus shadow, with sidelining versus the moving in and

1283
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:35.119
<v Speaker 6>getting some more detail. This is what marcut he was

1284
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:40.519
<v Speaker 6>talking about, scam versus versus reconcrete d We are going

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00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:44.039
<v Speaker 6>to address the light are really quick because there is

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00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:45.239
<v Speaker 6>a misconceptions here.

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00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Scan verse is a great act.

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00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.239
<v Speaker 6>We attended to try to use it in the lab

1289
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 6>as a short cuts that there's no shortcut, so it

1290
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:57.960
<v Speaker 6>only works well with the iPhone using line. If you

1291
00:59:58.039 --> 00:59:59.920
<v Speaker 6>have an Android and you're trying to use scam a verse,

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01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:01.159
<v Speaker 6>don't even boller.

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01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:03.519
<v Speaker 3>Don't try to do any kind of scanning with nanders.

1294
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:06.199
<v Speaker 3>You have to have the light ar on the Apple.

1295
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.679
<v Speaker 9>Phone and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.

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01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:11.800
<v Speaker 9>We'll be right back after these messages.

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01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:18.440
<v Speaker 6>And then something else people are forgetting when it's shooting

1298
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:22.280
<v Speaker 6>the light are up. It's shooting those raids out like

1299
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:26.280
<v Speaker 6>it's coming out what your color, But farther away you

1300
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:29.760
<v Speaker 6>want from that object, the less precise the measurements are gamped,

1301
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:32.440
<v Speaker 6>so that means when you're scanning, you're gonna have to

1302
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:35.119
<v Speaker 6>take up a lot of their ring and a lot

1303
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:40.639
<v Speaker 6>of time very close to scanning her objects. And even then, Scanner.

1304
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:43.719
<v Speaker 3>Verse is not working in the court system right now.

1305
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:45.440
<v Speaker 3>It's not allowed.

1306
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:48.960
<v Speaker 6>Not a thing riconcree D however, has been tried to

1307
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:50.360
<v Speaker 6>test it in the court systems.

1308
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:51.559
<v Speaker 3>It's a pay for play.

1309
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:55.480
<v Speaker 6>Unfortunately, like all good things, that is where it's at

1310
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:58.880
<v Speaker 6>for light arc Scanner versus is good for maybe making

1311
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:02.960
<v Speaker 6>a few souvenirs. Our problem with it is when we

1312
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:04.880
<v Speaker 6>put it on a flat surface and put a scale

1313
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:06.800
<v Speaker 6>down next to a cast.

1314
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:07.920
<v Speaker 3>We tried to do it.

1315
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:11.320
<v Speaker 6>The cast looked wonderful because the cast is all bumpy,

1316
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:13.119
<v Speaker 6>so you can't see the irregulars.

1317
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Now what it did due to our scale that was

1318
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:17.800
<v Speaker 3>laying next to it is it.

1319
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:21.280
<v Speaker 6>Made it weed. The points on the mesh may have

1320
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:25.199
<v Speaker 6>been like close to being accurate, but not accurate enough

1321
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:29.159
<v Speaker 6>for actually conducting any true manorance. The photographmetry that went

1322
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:32.239
<v Speaker 6>along with it was so car made it look off

1323
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:36.400
<v Speaker 6>at weed, so we immediately had to abandon it. We

1324
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:37.760
<v Speaker 6>found reconcrete.

1325
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:41.079
<v Speaker 3>D agency said no, you keep using your giant scanner,

1326
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:44.880
<v Speaker 3>which is cumbersome. We have sixty thousand dollars for you

1327
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:46.719
<v Speaker 3>scanner that we can use, but.

1328
01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:48.599
<v Speaker 6>It's like this thing.

1329
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:51.679
<v Speaker 3>It's a pain anyway.

1330
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:53.800
<v Speaker 6>So now we cast it awesome footprint.

1331
01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:56.880
<v Speaker 3>What comes next? Honestly, before we.

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01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.000
<v Speaker 6>Cast, we'd have to make a decision, right and I

1333
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.480
<v Speaker 6>was talking with christ this, We have to make a

1334
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:02.480
<v Speaker 6>decision before we cast.

1335
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Are we going to attempt to try to collect any

1336
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:08.760
<v Speaker 3>DNA from within this impression? Are you going to go

1337
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:11.639
<v Speaker 3>for a DNA it's something you have to make a

1338
01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:15.400
<v Speaker 3>decision about. The question was how do you decide where

1339
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:16.360
<v Speaker 3>to take it from?

1340
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:19.599
<v Speaker 6>And if you've done everything properly, and you've already have

1341
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.239
<v Speaker 6>gone around looking for detail with that side lighting and

1342
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:25.320
<v Speaker 6>looking for you definitely don't want to touch the toes, right,

1343
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:29.079
<v Speaker 6>But if you find a nice place that looks like

1344
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.480
<v Speaker 6>it's messed up, even a rock that's in there, take

1345
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:35.400
<v Speaker 6>a rock, take a little tongue press or stoop out

1346
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.239
<v Speaker 6>some stand or dirt or soil. But what you are

1347
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:40.480
<v Speaker 6>going to have to do what I did with the

1348
01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:44.079
<v Speaker 6>cap to the camera. You're gonna have to document the

1349
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:47.679
<v Speaker 6>entire process. You're going to actually have to show yourself

1350
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:51.599
<v Speaker 6>with one photograph. Taking example, this is where it came from.

1351
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:55.639
<v Speaker 6>Item number, it came from here, labeled the bag. Label

1352
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:57.559
<v Speaker 6>Whatever you're doing, it's going to have to match up

1353
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.480
<v Speaker 6>with that. And then after you've cast it you're game.

1354
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:03.000
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have to label that compression. You're gonna have

1355
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:03.960
<v Speaker 3>to photograph.

1356
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:05.760
<v Speaker 6>Labels that if this intention comes from the rock iron

1357
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.039
<v Speaker 6>mood trying to get you in it. It is that

1358
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:11.840
<v Speaker 6>kind of painstaking process that's happening right now because we're

1359
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:15.239
<v Speaker 6>looking at stuff. I'm going, Yes, you didn't document it,

1360
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:17.880
<v Speaker 6>didn't have, didn't document it, didn't have I hear that

1361
01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.400
<v Speaker 6>all the timing cook and I know we're not enforced,

1362
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:24.639
<v Speaker 6>but we are definitely coming under scrutiny for trying to

1363
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:26.320
<v Speaker 6>move forward in big Foot research.

1364
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:28.800
<v Speaker 3>So we're gonna have to up our game. Then. I

1365
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.159
<v Speaker 3>know it's a pain. It's boring. I get bored.

1366
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:34.159
<v Speaker 6>Sometimes doing this, especially the reports that after write later

1367
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:34.599
<v Speaker 6>I get to.

1368
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Go have the phone in the field, and then I

1369
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:39.519
<v Speaker 3>go back and spend two days writing about so what

1370
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:41.920
<v Speaker 3>comes next? You're not done.

1371
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:44.800
<v Speaker 6>You've made the cast. Now you're doing You've done the cast?

1372
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:49.280
<v Speaker 6>Where is it going? Where are they coming from? You

1373
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.679
<v Speaker 6>have so many more questions you have to start asking

1374
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:57.079
<v Speaker 6>yourself writing down OURPG talked about freeing in your notepad,

1375
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:58.159
<v Speaker 6>your notebook.

1376
01:03:57.960 --> 01:03:58.519
<v Speaker 3>Your journal.

1377
01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:02.719
<v Speaker 6>Guess what it's time While that past is drawing, it's

1378
01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:05.840
<v Speaker 6>time to start answering some of these other questions. There's

1379
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:07.920
<v Speaker 6>so many, and it just keeps going on and on.

1380
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:13.000
<v Speaker 6>Now I carry five different forms, one for hair, one

1381
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:15.920
<v Speaker 6>for a footprint, one for blood, one for I just

1382
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:18.079
<v Speaker 6>goes on and on and they're like eight pages long.

1383
01:04:18.719 --> 01:04:20.360
<v Speaker 6>But I want to be able to if I were

1384
01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:22.400
<v Speaker 6>to actually find something. I don't want to miss anything.

1385
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:25.280
<v Speaker 6>I got it down for my crime scenes, I don't

1386
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.239
<v Speaker 6>have it down for I'm in the woods that I

1387
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.400
<v Speaker 6>just got excited because I'm found a footprint. I think

1388
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:32.440
<v Speaker 6>maybe in a discovered priming, I may not remember some

1389
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:33.199
<v Speaker 6>stuff because.

1390
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:35.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm now super excited. Because I've been doing this for

1391
01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:36.039
<v Speaker 3>a long time.

1392
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:38.840
<v Speaker 6>I've got foured a couple of times, and I see

1393
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:41.400
<v Speaker 6>myself getting very excited about something in the wood, so

1394
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:43.679
<v Speaker 6>i'd see the backing off and going to get my form.

1395
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:46.960
<v Speaker 3>I gotta do this right, So take your time and

1396
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:48.440
<v Speaker 3>learn some new things as you go.

1397
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:51.480
<v Speaker 6>Because while I was doing those notes and pretending like

1398
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:54.159
<v Speaker 6>I was going through the scene for that particular footprint

1399
01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:57.760
<v Speaker 6>that I made, I saw that these passion flowers were everywhere,

1400
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:01.400
<v Speaker 6>and I thought the fil here, I said, I don't

1401
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:02.440
<v Speaker 6>want to cut over you.

1402
01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:04.119
<v Speaker 3>Here because there was a bunch of fun impression.

1403
01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:08.119
<v Speaker 6>So I know why they were there. That turns out, now, dear,

1404
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:11.679
<v Speaker 6>do not like the passion bar for me your times up?

1405
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:14.000
<v Speaker 6>I thought for sure, No, it was just a good

1406
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:15.920
<v Speaker 6>place to hide as a good cut for it. So

1407
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.679
<v Speaker 6>what happens after you've done all this morning craft. We

1408
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:22.039
<v Speaker 6>did follow the walk through our second walk through it.

1409
01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:25.639
<v Speaker 6>It's horrible. We basically take our checklists and we go

1410
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:28.320
<v Speaker 6>back into the scene after we think we're done, and

1411
01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:31.360
<v Speaker 6>we go through the entire thing all over again to

1412
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:34.320
<v Speaker 6>make sure we didn't miss anything and we didn't actually stick.

1413
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:37.719
<v Speaker 3>The set because once we release the scene, once we leave,

1414
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:39.320
<v Speaker 3>it's old.

1415
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:42.920
<v Speaker 6>You can come back, but now your chain of custody

1416
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.599
<v Speaker 6>of your scene is gone. You don't know what could

1417
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:47.920
<v Speaker 6>have come through and changed it after you were gone.

1418
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:49.960
<v Speaker 3>You can't come back and say, oh, I found this,

1419
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:51.199
<v Speaker 3>I missed it. No, you did.

1420
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:54.559
<v Speaker 6>Maybe that happened later and it's too late. So it's

1421
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:59.280
<v Speaker 6>a painstaking process, it really is. But it's something that's necessary.

1422
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh. By the way, I put this up for Shane.

1423
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:03.920
<v Speaker 6>When I was earlier, he was talking about how the

1424
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:07.679
<v Speaker 6>foot could sometimes press off. This is a book by

1425
01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:12.880
<v Speaker 6>William Bozziak. It is like between a bookwear specialist. He

1426
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:17.119
<v Speaker 6>wrote this book in nineteen ninety. This is a page

1427
01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:20.000
<v Speaker 6>from it that I thoughttioned with like because it shows

1428
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:23.920
<v Speaker 6>him just talking about how the soil or substrate's changing

1429
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:27.920
<v Speaker 6>while someone's walking and creating exactly what he was talking about,

1430
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.320
<v Speaker 6>which is something that could be interpreted as a mid

1431
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.760
<v Speaker 6>partial break depending on the substrate the soil, so that

1432
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:39.400
<v Speaker 6>was pretty possible to me. I have a quot that

1433
01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:43.119
<v Speaker 6>I originally wrote for a CSI roll, and each chapter

1434
01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:47.920
<v Speaker 6>was about how to cast a footwear impression and each

1435
01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:52.079
<v Speaker 6>type of soil and substrates. So each chapters are mud

1436
01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:56.199
<v Speaker 6>or sand or it's different types of substrate plotcat and

1437
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.800
<v Speaker 6>the first half of it is basically what I just

1438
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:00.079
<v Speaker 6>got to be talking about.

1439
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:03.440
<v Speaker 3>On how to document it, and then it's some sequent

1440
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:05.880
<v Speaker 3>chapters on how to actually do the cast. You've got

1441
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:06.960
<v Speaker 3>no solo on the substrate.

1442
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:09.159
<v Speaker 6>If he alluded to it when he was talking about

1443
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:11.400
<v Speaker 6>Chhane was talking about the different soil and substrates, it

1444
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:15.320
<v Speaker 6>actually does matter. We found that doing it the same

1445
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:15.960
<v Speaker 6>way every.

1446
01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:18.039
<v Speaker 3>Single time when you're casting the foot.

1447
01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:21.199
<v Speaker 6>Repression in the ground is not always conducive to getting

1448
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:24.360
<v Speaker 6>the best details. So where you have like a nice

1449
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:27.320
<v Speaker 6>money thing that's like the great thing of money impression that.

1450
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:31.159
<v Speaker 3>Is not all that valuable yet it's starting to hard

1451
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:34.159
<v Speaker 3>be able like perfect, it still has all the details.

1452
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:37.119
<v Speaker 6>And then you would on the sand where you buy

1453
01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:40.679
<v Speaker 6>that impression, you can actually call some vibrations and fall

1454
01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:42.239
<v Speaker 6>sen Sandard when you can fall down.

1455
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Into the details.

1456
01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:46.119
<v Speaker 6>There's so many things you can do to prepare each

1457
01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:48.719
<v Speaker 6>type of soil and substrate before you even put the

1458
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:49.719
<v Speaker 6>casting material in.

1459
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:49.840
<v Speaker 3>It.

1460
01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:55.440
<v Speaker 6>Also how to prepare that particular casting material cool with different.

1461
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Types of substrates.

1462
01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:57.280
<v Speaker 6>So whether you're going to put it in a little

1463
01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:01.000
<v Speaker 6>thicker for whether it's like a super wattery money, or

1464
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:03.480
<v Speaker 6>you're gonna go a little thinner because you know that

1465
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:07.320
<v Speaker 6>this particular impression, you can would stand that pressure and

1466
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:10.480
<v Speaker 6>you can get all the details. There's different ways, but

1467
01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:13.639
<v Speaker 6>it takes practice. It was basically a little field mammal

1468
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:14.920
<v Speaker 6>that I wish I would have had when I was

1469
01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:17.800
<v Speaker 6>first starting when I was passed that we basically had

1470
01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.600
<v Speaker 6>to be played with an excur but luckily my agency

1471
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:23.399
<v Speaker 6>had allowed us to exper They push us to right

1472
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:27.640
<v Speaker 6>punish though. That's actually really cool. If anyone has any

1473
01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:29.119
<v Speaker 6>questions about anything.

1474
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:32.359
<v Speaker 3>We're welcome task. Yeah, sir, you guys had to use

1475
01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:34.960
<v Speaker 3>or will try to use. I know the nixty sixty

1476
01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:41.119
<v Speaker 3>cameras now everywhere like plight for documenting a frack team. No,

1477
01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:45.199
<v Speaker 3>we have what's not the Pharaoh three D scanner. It's

1478
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:47.600
<v Speaker 3>the standard that sits on top of trypod.

1479
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:50.760
<v Speaker 6>We operate the far away with a map and it

1480
01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:53.640
<v Speaker 6>actually sends around on top of this tripod and it

1481
01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:57.359
<v Speaker 6>shoots out the light art. And while this is doing that,

1482
01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:00.119
<v Speaker 6>it's also pick the pictures that it will overlay on

1483
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:03.680
<v Speaker 6>top of those measurements and it gets down to some millimeter.

1484
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:07.600
<v Speaker 6>So for indoor scenes that are big like that or

1485
01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:10.560
<v Speaker 6>outdoor scenes like that, will use that particular scan.

1486
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Is what it enables us to do is we can

1487
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:16.119
<v Speaker 3>actually walk through, but we're walking through the scene and

1488
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:17.199
<v Speaker 3>now we're using.

1489
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:20.720
<v Speaker 6>VR headsets for the jury where we can actually move

1490
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:24.359
<v Speaker 6>you through the scene and we don't have to map

1491
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:26.800
<v Speaker 6>and measure anything anymore because a lot are doing it

1492
01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:29.640
<v Speaker 6>for us. So literally on the screen, I can take

1493
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:32.439
<v Speaker 6>my cursors from my moms and clip the butt of

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01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:36.199
<v Speaker 6>a gun drag and wherever I stop, that point gives

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01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:39.359
<v Speaker 6>me the precise measurement to the military. Yeah, and that's

1496
01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:41.640
<v Speaker 6>what I'm saying. It's it's sixty thousand dollars piece of equipment.

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01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:45.560
<v Speaker 6>It takes about twelve minutes per scan and what we

1498
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:48.119
<v Speaker 6>do is we as long as we move it through

1499
01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:50.640
<v Speaker 6>the entire house and they take twenty sees and then

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01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:54.920
<v Speaker 6>we can start evidence suction in the communication, so we

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01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.199
<v Speaker 6>can actually do an entire thing and make it look

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01:09:57.239 --> 01:09:59.640
<v Speaker 6>three D and I can walk you through the entire thing.

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01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:01.319
<v Speaker 6>That's a great idea.

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01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:04.239
<v Speaker 3>What you said. Absolutely, But we're lucky enough to have

1505
01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:07.680
<v Speaker 3>that us of equipment. Yeah, so it's a little of

1506
01:10:07.880 --> 01:10:10.479
<v Speaker 3>what you're talking about. You can talk about from ridges

1507
01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:14.319
<v Speaker 3>of footprints. Where about fingerprints? A lot of times you

1508
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:18.159
<v Speaker 3>can't cast those. So how would you go about getting

1509
01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:21.520
<v Speaker 3>a fingerprint or are you happy? No, that's actually my

1510
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:25.760
<v Speaker 3>special finger a fingerprints side. So we do it the

1511
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:26.319
<v Speaker 3>same way.

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01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:29.159
<v Speaker 6>Basic, it's basically the same mindset. So to say I

1513
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:31.119
<v Speaker 6>found a fingerprint on the side of a door on

1514
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:35.800
<v Speaker 6>a car, I would take pictures of the entire car.

1515
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:39.800
<v Speaker 6>I would take pictures of where the car was. Then

1516
01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.640
<v Speaker 6>once I find that that fingerprint, I.

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01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Actually go up and I scale. I picked a scale,

1518
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:47.920
<v Speaker 3>give it a night or remember, and then I back

1519
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:49.880
<v Speaker 3>up and I'll take like a.

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01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:52.199
<v Speaker 6>Whole profile side of the car to show where that

1521
01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:54.319
<v Speaker 6>scale is, because not that scale tell you where that

1522
01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:55.119
<v Speaker 6>fingerprint from.

1523
01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:57.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, So now I have the item number written on it,

1524
01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:01.119
<v Speaker 3>and now I'm going to like enough to photograph this.

1525
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:03.880
<v Speaker 3>If I haven't use power yet, I'm going to tip

1526
01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:06.800
<v Speaker 3>the photographs without power. If I have to use powder,

1527
01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:10.439
<v Speaker 3>it's just a enough for me to photograph it.

1528
01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:14.399
<v Speaker 6>So back in the day, it was all about putting

1529
01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:17.520
<v Speaker 6>powder on, putting capon, lifting it, and the evidence the

1530
01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:19.920
<v Speaker 6>fingerprint was on the fingerprint color.

1531
01:11:20.359 --> 01:11:24.720
<v Speaker 3>So now it's the photograph. We're working from PHOTOO. We're

1532
01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:29.119
<v Speaker 3>processing it for the photograph, which is usually much less power.

1533
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:32.119
<v Speaker 3>For that power. Once we get a little bit on,

1534
01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:35.479
<v Speaker 3>we're actually working with the flash light and shining on

1535
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.920
<v Speaker 3>the front from the side. As we put the powder on,

1536
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:40.840
<v Speaker 3>you see it start to develop. Once it starts to.

1537
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:44.159
<v Speaker 6>Develop this side, and then you'll control the lighting and

1538
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:46.680
<v Speaker 6>you photograph that again parallel.

1539
01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:49.159
<v Speaker 3>To the surface with the scale, try to make it

1540
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:50.000
<v Speaker 3>as thag as you can.

1541
01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:54.760
<v Speaker 6>And then we'll even add powder afterwards, because we know

1542
01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:56.560
<v Speaker 6>that was not enough powder being to show up.

1543
01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.199
<v Speaker 3>The card, so now we'll add it. And the only

1544
01:11:59.279 --> 01:11:59.680
<v Speaker 3>reason we.

1545
01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:04.239
<v Speaker 6>Even take cards now is because the Fulton County government

1546
01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:08.760
<v Speaker 6>where I work, they think that the handheld physical something

1547
01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:12.439
<v Speaker 6>is the evens which is in.

1548
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:15.279
<v Speaker 3>The cress the law states is what is the most fair.

1549
01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:17.520
<v Speaker 6>And accurate representation of the ovens, and that would be

1550
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:20.920
<v Speaker 6>the photograph the most detailed before I destroyed.

1551
01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:22.800
<v Speaker 3>It more by putting more finger from how they're on

1552
01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:26.479
<v Speaker 3>it the lift to get on. So yeah, that's basically

1553
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:27.079
<v Speaker 3>how you do it.

1554
01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:30.119
<v Speaker 6>It's the same way as finding thus but we're basically

1555
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.720
<v Speaker 6>trying to set it up for the photograph and you

1556
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:37.359
<v Speaker 6>run across the stain issues when you're photographing that evidence of.

1557
01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:40.439
<v Speaker 3>The windshield member. You've got the reflections. I see a

1558
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:41.199
<v Speaker 3>lot of that frole.

1559
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.199
<v Speaker 6>People are taking that camera and they're moving it to

1560
01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:47.520
<v Speaker 6>the side trying to get that better photograph, and that's

1561
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:49.760
<v Speaker 6>the exact opposite of what you're supposed to be doing.

1562
01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:53.119
<v Speaker 6>You should keep it parallel and you control the light

1563
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:55.720
<v Speaker 6>on the window. So one of the things that we

1564
01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:59.439
<v Speaker 6>do for that issue is we'll take something black and

1565
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:01.119
<v Speaker 6>we'll take to the back.

1566
01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Of the window to help deal with that player and.

1567
01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:06.399
<v Speaker 6>Then use that side lighting and then makes it pop

1568
01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:10.199
<v Speaker 6>and stand out like nobody's business. But there's no reason

1569
01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:12.680
<v Speaker 6>ever why you should be moving the cameras should always

1570
01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:15.000
<v Speaker 6>be parallel, because now I can't even.

1571
01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Put it into the end of database if it's not

1572
01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:20.680
<v Speaker 3>the correct measurement. When I put it in, it's not

1573
01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:22.479
<v Speaker 3>going to return, so we have to be.

1574
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:26.000
<v Speaker 6>Very careful about taking pictures of making sure that we're

1575
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:28.000
<v Speaker 6>on plank will coste R.

1576
01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:34.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. In terms of fasting media, they always two pet

1577
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:36.279
<v Speaker 3>use your p vision.

1578
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:40.039
<v Speaker 6>Any of the level freer, level four dentle cells, they

1579
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:42.680
<v Speaker 6>all have different name brands that they're all dentle Cells,

1580
01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:45.840
<v Speaker 6>like I prefer Perfect pass it's.

1581
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:46.159
<v Speaker 3>A name round.

1582
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.079
<v Speaker 6>I just don't have them all because it comes free

1583
01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:50.960
<v Speaker 6>packages in two pounds and four pound bats, and I

1584
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:53.720
<v Speaker 6>happen to know two pounds is about the average size

1585
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:57.000
<v Speaker 6>of my footprints, and four pounds maybe big.

1586
01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Enough for a back foot Ultra Top thirty that everyone

1587
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:00.520
<v Speaker 3>seems to use.

1588
01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:03.920
<v Speaker 6>I know that became very popular. It's really no difference.

1589
01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:06.119
<v Speaker 6>I just chose nine over passages.

1590
01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:10.079
<v Speaker 3>But there's no reason really one name ran.

1591
01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:12.119
<v Speaker 6>Over another as long as it's the simplest song, and

1592
01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:15.079
<v Speaker 6>level three or higher. Level four is almost like no

1593
01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:18.199
<v Speaker 6>reason to ever have it. It's just overcoin and it

1594
01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:21.239
<v Speaker 6>doesn't really change the results. It's just and I think

1595
01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:22.520
<v Speaker 6>it's just a hardness issue.

1596
01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:25.319
<v Speaker 3>But it's hard to break, but.

1597
01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:28.720
<v Speaker 6>It is good enough to get fingerprint level decals like

1598
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:32.119
<v Speaker 6>really good fingerprint level details. Right, So I only choose

1599
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:36.079
<v Speaker 6>perfect cast because of the bags that comes in easily, soable,

1600
01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:38.680
<v Speaker 6>and they're nice, sick the bags, and I can throw

1601
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:39.720
<v Speaker 6>them around and they're not.

1602
01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:42.399
<v Speaker 3>Going to break down to me and the other one's

1603
01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:44.199
<v Speaker 3>coming these giant boxes.

1604
01:14:43.880 --> 01:14:48.680
<v Speaker 6>Having these giant bags and tactically that's that are icelines, right.

1605
01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:50.600
<v Speaker 3>But I like to throw my stuff around and be

1606
01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:51.159
<v Speaker 3>okay with you.

1607
01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:54.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I can throw the two times on my backpack

1608
01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:58.520
<v Speaker 6>would be good to talking about what happened in footprints show.

1609
01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:01.119
<v Speaker 3>We have to help to convince how many do we mean? Well,

1610
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:01.439
<v Speaker 3>how many?

1611
01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:01.720
<v Speaker 6>I mean?

1612
01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:05.000
<v Speaker 3>The problem isn't the amounts. It's not even the quality.

1613
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:09.600
<v Speaker 6>It's about how how transparent were we when we collected it?

1614
01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:14.079
<v Speaker 6>What would your process urticulation? How legit can go out

1615
01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:16.479
<v Speaker 6>and take how took I've been working with bears. I

1616
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:19.119
<v Speaker 6>can go find a bear impression, pick my shoe off

1617
01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:23.159
<v Speaker 6>and take it down and make it into a good footprint,

1618
01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:25.880
<v Speaker 6>cast it and go look what I've got. I've found

1619
01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:28.399
<v Speaker 6>a big book. Now you're going to go off my

1620
01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:31.479
<v Speaker 6>credibility on whether it's real or not. That's what we've

1621
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:34.000
<v Speaker 6>been doing lately. We've been going off people's credibility on

1622
01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:38.960
<v Speaker 6>whether these things are dealing dots the evidence that were presented, right. So,

1623
01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:41.680
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I think that's the biggest problem for the

1624
01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:44.359
<v Speaker 6>science people because you're like, I found all these tasks,

1625
01:15:44.399 --> 01:15:46.000
<v Speaker 6>look at all my trasts. I'm like, do you have

1626
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:47.960
<v Speaker 6>all the pictures, everything that goes with it to put

1627
01:15:48.039 --> 01:15:50.359
<v Speaker 6>into context so I can see how you found it?

1628
01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:53.119
<v Speaker 6>Did you photograph it before you cast it? And I

1629
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:57.239
<v Speaker 6>see all these things, and unfortunately, you're right, there may

1630
01:15:57.279 --> 01:16:02.159
<v Speaker 6>be some crap trying a real cast out that someone

1631
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:04.760
<v Speaker 6>from my side will dismiss because I don't have the

1632
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:06.000
<v Speaker 6>other information to go with it.

1633
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:10.199
<v Speaker 3>I have, without a doubt that's stuff exists. It's out

1634
01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:14.960
<v Speaker 3>there without the other stuf. I can't write about it,

1635
01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:16.000
<v Speaker 3>I can't publish it.

1636
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:18.279
<v Speaker 6>I can't take it to peers and have a peer

1637
01:16:18.319 --> 01:16:20.239
<v Speaker 6>with you because they're going to ask all the same

1638
01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:22.159
<v Speaker 6>questions I wanted to ask originally.

1639
01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:26.279
<v Speaker 3>So that I think that's the big issue. Stop tik

1640
01:16:26.359 --> 01:16:35.159
<v Speaker 3>for more questions, if anybody, if anybody's anymore, Yeah, that's typical.

1641
01:16:39.680 --> 01:18:01.920
<v Speaker 1>All right out.

1642
01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:20.920
<v Speaker 3>I can't.

1643
01:18:23.079 --> 01:18:23.439
<v Speaker 6>I can't

1644
01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Count I can