Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog,
Speaker 1: my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was or
Speaker 1: was it was? Standing enough. I'm out here looking through
Speaker 1: the window now and I don't see anything. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better hello, get
Speaker 1: somebody out here. Quote on aunt. I've thought of a
Speaker 1: bit of about Secon four nine. I don't know easy announter,
Speaker 1: Yeah right, all right?
Speaker 2: How many amazing speakers can we have in a row?
Speaker 2: I'm nervous to go later. I don't think I can
Speaker 2: hang with this cruise. I love it. Yeah, there are
Speaker 2: many reasons why we count of these right. The main
Speaker 2: is how close can we get to the truth. And
Speaker 2: for those of you that are on the fence about Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: come up and talk to me after and be like, listen,
Speaker 2: I was not sure, but now I'm highly intrigued. And
Speaker 2: what is one of the most wonderful things we can
Speaker 2: carry through our life and never lose, and that is curiosity? Right,
Speaker 2: Curiosity leads us into the most wonderful places. And Bigfoot
Speaker 2: is this beach dive that I think we all deserve
Speaker 2: nature's greatest secret unless we talk about the oceans and
Speaker 2: what happen.
Speaker 3: Anyway, there's more to coon. So in this section that
Speaker 3: we had now it.
Speaker 2: Was supposed to be all about that the FRO is
Speaker 2: everyone feamiliar with the VFRROW Okay, so good we know
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: Mary Anne runs. I think it's three states that she
Speaker 3: actually covers.
Speaker 2: So if any of you are actually interested in the
Speaker 2: VFROROW and what they do and how they professionally approach
Speaker 2: the subject, okay, Like for a lot of us to
Speaker 2: go camping, we have fun, we're hoping for an experience,
Speaker 2: But there are some people that are taking it as
Speaker 2: professional as possible, like Shane, like Mary Anne, and so
Speaker 2: when they go out, if you were to go out
Speaker 2: with someone like that, it would be like you were
Speaker 2: going out with an investigative journalist.
Speaker 3: Field reporter. They document everything.
Speaker 2: Last night at the VIP event, people were asking what's
Speaker 2: the best taffer, the best thing you could take.
Speaker 3: Into the field, And all the answers are wonderful. There
Speaker 3: is no wrong there.
Speaker 2: But arguably, if you're gonna bring anything, bring a journal
Speaker 2: and document everything, all the details. Because if there's anything
Speaker 2: in David and all the ex police officers that are
Speaker 2: in here that are rocking the big field now would
Speaker 2: tell you is over time, I don't care how sharp you.
Speaker 4: Are, you begin to lose some detail, you begin to
Speaker 4: add some things.
Speaker 3: You know how it is.
Speaker 4: You remember back in school, you're telling somebody one thing,
Speaker 4: and by the time it came around, you were married
Speaker 4: to Bigfoot and you're like, what I said, I want fishing.
Speaker 3: So you got to keep that in mind when you're doing.
Speaker 2: Your research and the greatest way to protect yourself. But
Speaker 2: also I think everyone should keep a journal. How hard
Speaker 2: is it to look back what you did just four
Speaker 2: months ago, never mind four years ago, never mind fourteen
Speaker 2: years ago, And.
Speaker 3: Isn't it really nice?
Speaker 2: That's one of the nice things I like about social media,
Speaker 2: where I can go back through and.
Speaker 3: See all the relationships that I fail that but.
Speaker 2: I can go back in the second you see the
Speaker 2: picture or you read the little thing, it's a war
Speaker 2: and you're right back there. And some of those places
Speaker 2: are beautiful, and we want to go back there. So YouTube, gentlemen.
Speaker 2: Not to point you out, but you came here with.
Speaker 3: The greatest question ever. I want to get into it.
Speaker 2: I want to invest the state Marianne's sitting in the
Speaker 2: beautiful gray hair wearing the leopard skin coat.
Speaker 3: Chie is your best entrance into this.
Speaker 2: I would argue, just start going out, just start falling
Speaker 2: in love with the woods, which you guys probably already are.
Speaker 2: But you're gonna start right away professional, which I think
Speaker 2: is wonderful.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: You're gonna bypass all the little mistakes the rest of
Speaker 2: us make along the way trying to figure it out.
Speaker 3: It's I going to tell you how many times. Here's
Speaker 3: a little sill good advice.
Speaker 5: But when you go bayfooting, before you even shut the
Speaker 5: car off, before you even pull in to wherever the
Speaker 5: area is the habitat, you turn your damn cameras on,
Speaker 5: you turn your damn recorders on, you shut the music off,
Speaker 5: and you are in the zone.
Speaker 2: Because I promise you you're gonna pull in you're gonna
Speaker 2: hear knock doot dock silence for the rest of the night,
Speaker 2: and you are gonna kick your own butt for not
Speaker 2: being more prepared. I've made that mistake more.
Speaker 3: Times, and I'll admit it because I'm a foolish guy.
Speaker 3: It's all good, and you will learn how to do
Speaker 3: it perfect.
Speaker 2: Right out of the gates, and you'll be better at
Speaker 2: it right away than the rest of us us a
Speaker 2: long time plus.
Speaker 3: In this field, just like any discipline, there are a
Speaker 3: lot of journeys.
Speaker 1: They just are.
Speaker 3: It's just the way that and I don't judge anyone.
Speaker 3: We're all going through different things.
Speaker 2: We're at different points of our life, and I think
Speaker 2: the amazing thing about being a human being is at
Speaker 2: some point in your life you're gonna be the hero,
Speaker 2: at some point you're gonna be the villain, at some
Speaker 2: point you're gonna be the sad one, and at some
Speaker 2: point you gonna be the happiest person in the room.
Speaker 3: But if you can go and start with people.
Speaker 2: That aren't gonna break your heart, that aren't going to
Speaker 2: betray you're not gonna stab you in the back of
Speaker 2: the seri stuff that wants you to have an experience, even.
Speaker 3: If that means they don't. That's the place in my
Speaker 3: hard parts that we should all be starting, and Miriam
Speaker 3: will provide that for you. Now.
Speaker 6: I am not a member of the.
Speaker 3: BFRRO, but I know a lot about the BFR ROW.
Speaker 2: And I had the honor of working on finding Bigfoot forever.
Speaker 3: So whose voice is this?
Speaker 4: Well, I see all you big footers are here today
Speaker 4: the worship at the throne of Matthew Moneymaker.
Speaker 3: Now the fun of matt Moneymaker.
Speaker 2: As much as I can brag about him, okay, I'll
Speaker 2: give you a little detail about him that most people
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: So there's lots of different levels of courage when you
Speaker 3: go into the woods. I spent a lot of time
Speaker 3: in the woods, and I think one of the main
Speaker 3: things keeping us from having interactions with forest people is fear.
Speaker 2: I don't think any of us really know just how
Speaker 2: scared we are to be in the woods, especially alone,
Speaker 2: even holding a guy, because there are things that can
Speaker 2: still take you down, big cats, scared of crap on it.
Speaker 3: I don't know of anything else in the woods.
Speaker 2: I'm not very big coup even humans which are scarce,
Speaker 2: but a large cat and you guys probably heard that story.
Speaker 2: X Army ranger living remotely, big cats coming in killing
Speaker 2: his chickens.
Speaker 3: Is I'm the apex predator here.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take care of this problem in the snow,
Speaker 2: goes out, tracks it, tracking it for hours.
Speaker 3: At some point looks behind him and realizes this thing
Speaker 3: has been.
Speaker 2: Within fifteen feet behind him and stocking him the whole time.
Speaker 3: They call it a specieism.
Speaker 2: Okay, don't be a secious specious is approaching bigfoot or anything.
Speaker 3: As you're the smartest, you're the best thing in the room.
Speaker 3: It's just not true here on some level, it's not true.
Speaker 3: That cat stopped one of our greatest warriors. And I
Speaker 3: know what he did. He went back and he just
Speaker 3: re armed that chicken coop to the highest degree and said,
Speaker 3: I'm not bessing with that animal anyway.
Speaker 2: So to be off our ound, Matt Moneymaker, he is one
Speaker 2: of the bravest people I've ever seen bigfooting.
Speaker 3: Okay, just to tell you a funny little story. We're
Speaker 3: in Lafayette County, Okay, in Pennsylvania. It's a lot of
Speaker 3: masks going on there.
Speaker 2: It's very drug, very dangerous area, and we pull We're
Speaker 2: in a caravan we drive we're secret ages, and we
Speaker 2: pull into this driveway and it's a long looping driveway
Speaker 2: that goes around like this.
Speaker 3: I'm driving, Matt.
Speaker 2: Moneymakers sitting there and we have the producer and somebody
Speaker 2: else in the back.
Speaker 3: And the second week pull in this.
Speaker 2: Woman wearing just a shirt, holding in one hand a
Speaker 2: chain dog that had to have been one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty pounds some more while I just walking and like
Speaker 2: it could have broke her arm, but and just dragged
Speaker 2: and in her other hand.
Speaker 3: You ever see the Batman movie.
Speaker 2: Where the Joker takes out the longest magnum you've ever seen, and.
Speaker 3: She's come out of the sky. She's got that dear.
Speaker 3: I don't know how she's holding. I do.
Speaker 4: She's an drives and she's coming down the driveway and
Speaker 4: like trying to lift this thing up, get.
Speaker 3: Dog off myty.
Speaker 4: It was literally like a zombie coming out there. And
Speaker 4: so I'm driving, So I'm in charge of the talent
Speaker 4: and everyone, and.
Speaker 3: I'm a big footer.
Speaker 2: I don't want to die big footing, right, It's not
Speaker 2: worth it that much to me.
Speaker 3: So I'm sitting there and of course I'm like, we
Speaker 3: gotta go. The second I go to go, I ain't
Speaker 3: this the truth.
Speaker 4: Suddenly there's traffic and there's this car, after the car,
Speaker 4: and now the.
Speaker 3: Producer in the back. He hit puberty all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: he's going, we gotta go, we gotta do. I want
Speaker 3: to proof, and I'm like, I'm trying. I'm fring.
Speaker 2: So the three of us are freaking out. It's palpable,
Speaker 2: it's scary, and she's get closer.
Speaker 3: And Moneymaker. I look at him, calm and as cool
Speaker 3: as a.
Speaker 2: Cucumber, not even sweating, more focused on how beautiful his
Speaker 2: hair is.
Speaker 3: And he did have beautiful hair and the reason he
Speaker 3: grew his hair out long.
Speaker 2: Guess why because James Bobo Fey had long hair and
Speaker 2: he was more popular than kid.
Speaker 3: She was trying all the things. See, maybe it's the hair,
Speaker 3: maybe it's the beautiful mare. So he and I don't
Speaker 3: know why, but I was liken't put the window down
Speaker 3: like that was gonna help the bullet not pull my
Speaker 3: head off. And he looks at me. He goes, madam,
Speaker 3: do you know who I am? Literally the scariest situation
Speaker 3: has been a big one. I'm not Moneymaker. Do you watch?
Speaker 3: She probably doesn't know the TV look at the state
Speaker 3: of her like saying that, and we're have you seen
Speaker 3: finding face? And you see this woman just drug craze coming.
Speaker 3: She just stops. Why you he.
Speaker 7: And she goes, oh, never mind, dad, this clears.
Speaker 2: I pull out and I get pushed into the other
Speaker 2: end of the driveway and you can just hear it
Speaker 2: coming dark.
Speaker 3: Dart gut I had to jump in front of a car,
Speaker 3: almost get into an accident because he was about to
Speaker 3: get out of.
Speaker 2: The car to explain to her why she should be
Speaker 2: cool with him being in the drive This is no lie,
Speaker 2: This is no I've seen him when we're out there
Speaker 2: and there's activity in front of us, and the only
Speaker 2: thing we've gotten on our fleers is a large path
Speaker 2: moving around or just in the area.
Speaker 3: Not socking, but definitely curious.
Speaker 2: Why I write t habitat activity in the bushes, full
Speaker 2: sprint to the bushes at it.
Speaker 3: And remember he's telling it's like going you gotta keep
Speaker 3: an eye. He said, wow, man into.
Speaker 2: The bushes and we're all looking at it because nobody
Speaker 2: was going in those bushes. But that was not moneymaker, right.
Speaker 2: He had a fearlessness. Now it goes with anything. Why
Speaker 2: is someone being a jerk? Why is someone a good person?
Speaker 2: Why is anything? You got to understand their paths. And
Speaker 2: here's an interesting thing about Matt that most people don't know.
Speaker 2: When he was younger, he got into the most horrible
Speaker 2: moket accident you could where he got hit and from
Speaker 2: the left lea down his shin split open, mangled like.
Speaker 3: Something that if you saw happened to yourself or anyway,
Speaker 3: he'd he'd just pass out. He dealt with that.
Speaker 2: So he has experienced pain, discomfort, and horror at a
Speaker 2: level where he's not afraid.
Speaker 3: He's not afraid. I'll give you num one cut to
Speaker 3: the Amazon. We're in the Amazon jungle. Okay, we're in
Speaker 3: the Rio Negro where.
Speaker 2: The Amazon splits in the water becomes this dark, muddy
Speaker 2: murky You wouldn't even dare go in this water.
Speaker 3: Okay, just at dust wish. I'm not an idiot. You're
Speaker 3: not an idiot. Matt's not an idiot. That's the time
Speaker 3: when thing's hut, dusk.
Speaker 4: And dumb one right, So it do the rion Negro,
Speaker 4: his dark thing with anacondas large reptile, all sorts of things.
Speaker 3: I get a knock on my doork. This is beast, Like,
Speaker 3: what's going on? Dude? The one man get to sleep in?
Speaker 3: You have to come out. You have to come out
Speaker 3: next see not good? Next seat.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh what mister, the heavy round round
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, moneymaker. And I'm like with the
Speaker 2: hair and with the hair, and I come out and
Speaker 2: i'd so I'm following him and half the ways and I.
Speaker 3: Get to the edge of the boat. We rented this
Speaker 3: cool yacht.
Speaker 5: Dude, I honestly I hope for all of you that
Speaker 5: you go on the best stick putting adventures.
Speaker 2: Seriously, save your money, find your tribe, find people, pull
Speaker 2: it together, and do cool stuff like this.
Speaker 3: And so as long as you survive.
Speaker 4: So I come up to the boat, I come up
Speaker 4: to the battle of the boat and I'm staring there
Speaker 4: and once again I'm just dumb crowded by the bravery
Speaker 4: and the stupidity of this man.
Speaker 3: In this water.
Speaker 2: He is swimming and literally like he swims funny, he's
Speaker 2: just waving.
Speaker 3: He's gonna full. What suit this suit brought? What was it?
Speaker 2: It was like nine or ten toes on our adventure.
Speaker 2: All of us have one suitcase, one carry on nine toes.
Speaker 2: Come to find out he never wore the same offit twice.
Speaker 2: He was just sending them all back for his wife
Speaker 2: to clean him and send it back to us. But
Speaker 2: that's a different story. So he's there and he's.
Speaker 7: Just swimming around and I look at him like, man,
Speaker 7: you can't damn little water.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get eaten, and he goes, nothing can get me.
Speaker 3: They don't want anything to do with me. Are humans
Speaker 3: on the food chain? I'm like, no, what they're gonna be?
Speaker 3: And he's the boss of you and I'm like, technically,
Speaker 3: I guess you are. But so we wouldn't get on
Speaker 3: the water.
Speaker 8: He was having a beautiful tarn being a merman, just
Speaker 8: in these dangerous waters, slowing around with his slippers, kicked
Speaker 8: it and tossing his hair. And the only way we
Speaker 8: could get him out is we had to get the
Speaker 8: drone guy wake him up.
Speaker 3: And we were buzzing him with the drone and we
Speaker 3: literally and he's h nah. So he finally he does
Speaker 3: swim to the boat.
Speaker 4: He swims to the far shore, gets out, pegs us off,
Speaker 4: and then goes over the other side. So we're like,
Speaker 4: what's he doing there? Are these not called crocodiles anything
Speaker 4: the Amazon. Yes, so there's these Caymans lined up, So
Speaker 4: you have Caymans and then like thirty forty feet down
Speaker 4: you have.
Speaker 3: A moneymaker, some baby. And I will never get that
Speaker 3: out of my head.
Speaker 4: Just slip your Unzich, the golden bronze body, the hair,
Speaker 4: just landing there on the beach, the best time in
Speaker 4: the Amazon. These stories with Matt. If you were all
Speaker 4: a little bit older, I would tell you they're really
Speaker 4: crazy one.
Speaker 3: But I just go back to the point that some.
Speaker 2: People are fearless and maybe in bigfooting you need that,
Speaker 2: you need a little.
Speaker 3: Bit of that.
Speaker 2: Well, what you also need are people that love it
Speaker 2: as much as you and that are as passionate as you.
Speaker 3: And that is what Marianne is.
Speaker 2: And there are people within the BFRO that are extraordinary researchers.
Speaker 2: And I hope you guys been like uh, I hope
Speaker 2: you guys find the people.
Speaker 3: That are the best people to mentor and to ease
Speaker 3: to the next level.
Speaker 2: And don't ever think that you aren't all as important
Speaker 2: to the research as worthy and that your theories don't
Speaker 2: matter or don't count, because anyone worth their weight in
Speaker 2: gold and bigfooting will tell you there are no experts.
Speaker 2: We are all just giving it our best shot, and
Speaker 2: eventually somebody's gonna figure it out.
Speaker 3: So any of these series.
Speaker 2: You hear today, any of these amazing things that people
Speaker 2: tell you, run with its, run with it. And then
Speaker 2: all I would ask is, if it's something I say
Speaker 2: and it says O shay or anything, reach out.
Speaker 3: If you take it that one step further and.
Speaker 9: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see, we'll be
Speaker 9: right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And culture really in a way pits us against each
Speaker 2: other and makes it seem like we're all going to
Speaker 2: do it on our own and everyone's out to get you,
Speaker 2: and everyone's ane's gonna steal it, give.
Speaker 3: It that shit to the curve.
Speaker 2: If we team up, if we actually had healthy Bigfoot community,
Speaker 2: I think we're one year away from solving the mystery.
Speaker 3: And then the real problem becomes, because this is a
Speaker 3: question you probably all struggled with yourself. What do you
Speaker 3: do if you find out what the truth of this is?
Speaker 2: What do you do with that with Because as were
Speaker 2: I standing right now as a researcher in a man
Speaker 2: that might be it for me.
Speaker 3: I will tell my close friends who I know would
Speaker 3: love that and would protect it with me. But for
Speaker 3: the most of it, I wouldn't say shit. And that's
Speaker 3: a neat thing. Ask yourself, what do you do? Because yeah,
Speaker 3: you've got the next Patterson's going to come. If you
Speaker 3: came upon a nesting.
Speaker 2: Site or saw a family and were able to document
Speaker 2: it for some reason, they didn't beat the crap out
Speaker 2: of you, what would.
Speaker 3: You do with it? Anyway? I leave that with you.
Speaker 3: I guess I have fifteen more minutes.
Speaker 4: If there's any questions that I can answer about the
Speaker 4: bfr bfro O, if you have them, I will.
Speaker 2: If you have just any questions about anything, I would
Speaker 2: gladly answer them.
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, Oh you want to both stuck.
Speaker 2: Okay, one of my first days on the job working
Speaker 2: with Bobo.
Speaker 3: First of all, here's Bobo walking into a restaurant.
Speaker 2: Okay, when you walk into a restaurant, there are people
Speaker 2: who have finished eating and their.
Speaker 3: Plates are on the table. And this is the old.
Speaker 2: James Bobo Fay walks chicken fingers well hammer and even
Speaker 2: if they're still sitting there but they're done and they're
Speaker 2: writing their check, they just look up at them and
Speaker 2: were like, you're not eating it, and.
Speaker 3: Then you just came from it, and he's one.
Speaker 2: That's the way that you get the maxim amount of
Speaker 2: calories you need without having to pay too much. And
Speaker 2: if you don't have any money, RPG, which I know
Speaker 2: you don't because you're a four PA, then that's the
Speaker 2: way you eat. And that was some of the wisdom
Speaker 2: that James Kay gave me. But I remember one of
Speaker 2: the first days that I worked with him. Everybody remember Monkey,
Speaker 2: his dog, which should have been in the series the
Speaker 2: entire time. But we can talk crap about corporate America
Speaker 2: and their ideas and what a good show is some
Speaker 2: other time. But but yeah, monkeys, so we saw all
Speaker 2: right RPG used to do. Now, Monkey, if you remember,
Speaker 2: had one bad leg. They had been on some adventures
Speaker 2: to go. Let's just say Monkey used to go surfing
Speaker 2: in big wave surf with him and they had a
Speaker 2: few crashes. We almost side, but one leg was like
Speaker 2: a chicken lesh, so it didn't work. So the business
Speaker 2: a tripod dog and I used to let the scratch
Speaker 2: the little hank until she got off and she turned me.
Speaker 3: I'll be like what what? So he goes she got
Speaker 3: a bad leg RPG. She's getting older. Do not throw
Speaker 3: the ball too much. Throw it for half hour and
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 2: And at the end of the parking lot that is
Speaker 2: a ledge that goes down and drops down like a
Speaker 2: hundred feet.
Speaker 3: If that ball goes over that and she dies, you
Speaker 3: got And I said to him, I grew up in
Speaker 3: the country. I know dogs. I can hand. They'll throwing
Speaker 3: a ball for a dog go to work, all right.
Speaker 3: So he lumbers off. It's big shade down, bigfoot that
Speaker 3: he is.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, all right, you want to kick the ball,
Speaker 2: and she was I also hope everyone in here owns
Speaker 2: a dog at some.
Speaker 3: Point, and that dog stares in their eyes and they
Speaker 3: understand you, and you know that they love you.
Speaker 2: Any research has actually been found that inside the dog's
Speaker 2: brain there's a section of it that lights up when
Speaker 2: it sees you. It actually experiences pure joy, sure bless.
Speaker 2: It loves you like you love your babies, which is
Speaker 2: really interesting.
Speaker 3: So I'm staying there and I'm like, all right, let's go.
Speaker 2: So first row, I just it was one of those
Speaker 2: rubber balls that bounds, so I just leave it a little.
Speaker 2: And now I'm in front of the hotel and there
Speaker 2: is nobody around they and the ball just did do
Speaker 2: and the dog was incredibly fast.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: I'm like, so I throw it a little bit harder,
Speaker 2: and wouldn't you know that thing goes boing boying, and
Speaker 2: my eyes started getting wider, boyt and it goes right
Speaker 2: over the ledge and this is you could go down it,
Speaker 2: but you do, like my bariness, right, You've gotta give
Speaker 2: me that hundred.
Speaker 3: And the dog doesn't stop, look and go down.
Speaker 7: Monkey launches like she's been juggling whisky and she was like,
Speaker 7: get that ball.
Speaker 2: She launches over the edge, and I just watched my
Speaker 2: life flash before my eye. I know I'm not only
Speaker 2: gonna be dead, but I had one of to lose,
Speaker 2: the greatest job I have ever had, getting need to
Speaker 2: travel and look for Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: I wish that for all of you. It is amazing.
Speaker 3: And so I'm sitting there, my heart's just and.
Speaker 2: Then before I can even figure out what to do,
Speaker 2: take a step, she's falling back up.
Speaker 3: And I look around and look in every window, every car, everywhere.
Speaker 3: Nobody saw. Nobody saw it. So we only even played
Speaker 3: for a little bit. Warmer whatever, don't even think anything
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: Next day on my door RPG and I'm like, what
Speaker 2: he's you ran her too hard.
Speaker 3: She can't even get out of bed.
Speaker 7: She's sitting there. She's gonna to a cute chicken a leg.
Speaker 7: You're never throwing the ball for her again. And I
Speaker 7: remember just going, oh, I didn't know that was too much.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry he should be And then he walked up.
Speaker 7: Because James Bobo fey, how do I explain it?
Speaker 2: You want the biggest guy in the room to be
Speaker 2: the defender of everyone else in the room, the bully killer.
Speaker 3: I watched that guy in Colorado.
Speaker 2: There was a gay couple outside of a club being
Speaker 2: accosted by these rednecks and not I'm a red nack.
Speaker 3: Not difference. Before we were just driving by and slowing.
Speaker 2: Down to the stoplight, and the door was opened, he
Speaker 2: was out, and he was throwing a punch and knocking
Speaker 2: one of them out before the lead producer before we.
Speaker 3: Could even react. So once again, God report COLI saidything,
Speaker 3: my executive producer gets out of the car. Now, James
Speaker 3: Bobo fake foot.
Speaker 6: He grew up.
Speaker 3: Rowing with some owens.
Speaker 2: He's like the only white dude if you have my
Speaker 2: theory on him, his dad was experimented on it in
Speaker 2: the military, like super Soldier program.
Speaker 3: Because his dad was like this tall and could fight bigfoot.
Speaker 3: That's and he's the only one I could do it.
Speaker 3: They called him Fireball.
Speaker 2: So imagine if a man with a super soldier serum
Speaker 2: as a baby because he was this pig.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's his fake. And James Bobo Fay
Speaker 3: was a halthy max so he was at his head es.
Speaker 3: He was three m PR, so big boy.
Speaker 2: Anyway, so he's beating the crap out of two to
Speaker 2: three dudes and the producer comes out and he goes
Speaker 2: up the fourth guy.
Speaker 3: You can't fight. So if I'm flat with the stag's
Speaker 3: face and I'm in the car trying to part, trying to.
Speaker 10: Enjoin him defending those dudescause right on and try not
Speaker 10: to laugh at my boss and cannot fight this even listen.
Speaker 10: If they would have allowed us to record what we
Speaker 10: were doing behind the scenes and all these other things,
Speaker 10: it would have been the greatest reality TV series of
Speaker 10: all time.
Speaker 2: Say that, Yeah, oh, we went to all and we
Speaker 2: said we would we should do this, we should be
Speaker 2: filming it but I will just leave it at this.
Speaker 2: There was a golden age of Hollywood where you basically
Speaker 2: have a lot of people that are fully functional addicts
Speaker 2: in some way.
Speaker 3: And I say that with the greatest respect. A lot
Speaker 3: of us have survived times of drinking. I'll just say
Speaker 3: that myself.
Speaker 2: A lot of people, and people usually don't speak well
Speaker 2: at this, but I'm gonna speak well for a second.
Speaker 2: But some of us are able to have an addiction
Speaker 2: and give it up hundred percent at the same time,
Speaker 2: and that is without giving an But that's basically what
Speaker 2: we were doing, all of us, and we still fill
Speaker 2: on that show. We still made it the most successful
Speaker 2: thing ever. We still all survived. But yeah, we were wild.
Speaker 2: We were as wild as a big book. We saw
Speaker 2: all right, ladies and.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, we'll come back from left. I hope it was awesome.
Speaker 11: I didn't want to get back up and start us
Speaker 11: up again because everyone was having such a good time
Speaker 11: talking and lying. I love seeing everybody be in good
Speaker 11: community with each other, sharing stories, buying some good merch,
Speaker 11: interacting beautiful smiles like yours. So hopefully everyone got something
Speaker 11: and if not, for those of you that are fasting,
Speaker 11: I'll just.
Speaker 3: Tell you owe something about that. People ask how should
Speaker 3: I go into woods? How should I find Bigfoot? And
Speaker 3: there are a few hats life hats you can.
Speaker 2: Do where you can make yourself more present, even if
Speaker 2: you're not quite ready to or not.
Speaker 3: And one of those is the fact you do.
Speaker 2: A twenty four six forty eight hour fast and you
Speaker 2: go in the woods, and.
Speaker 4: I promise you you are going to be more observant
Speaker 4: than you have ever been in.
Speaker 12: Your life once you get beyond the hunger, which by
Speaker 12: the way, is addiction. But that's another talk we can
Speaker 12: have privately and feel those hunger paints. Last is a
Speaker 12: sinay like.
Speaker 2: But if you go out you fast, you will help
Speaker 2: put you into naturally into a meditative state. Then if
Speaker 2: you were to take your shoes off and to actually
Speaker 2: walk around, then you start rounding and connecting to the earth.
Speaker 3: And all I can tell you is try it.
Speaker 2: Get beyond your smile, get beyond your office is ridiculous,
Speaker 2: and see what happens.
Speaker 3: It's going to be amazing for you. So that to
Speaker 3: get anyway without further ado, I have a new friend.
Speaker 2: There is a new awesome intelligence driven extra police officer,
Speaker 2: which once again who less current.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, See, these are the people that I respect.
Speaker 3: You ask like, how hard is it to get into this?
Speaker 6: How hard?
Speaker 2: And we were just talking a second because there are
Speaker 2: gonna be some people that are gonna try and bump
Speaker 2: you out of this, and we need David in this
Speaker 2: space for those of you that I'm sure we lost
Speaker 2: so many good people this year.
Speaker 3: Mel's room makes you emotional, so we won't even go there.
Speaker 5: But even Jane goodall like these are powerful things, and
Speaker 5: just talking with David and it's I know you're a strong,
Speaker 5: powerful man.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I know you doubt that. You're like, why
Speaker 3: why am I doing this? People aren't going to invite
Speaker 3: me in, They're not gonna be warm. But we need you.
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you we need you in this space.
Speaker 3: We need you so hopefully you hear that.
Speaker 10: Don't make me get down on my knees in beg
Speaker 10: But yeah, ladies and gentlemen, we met on the stage.
Speaker 2: And we had one of my most favorite and pathful
Speaker 2: moments ever where I got to.
Speaker 3: Learn from him.
Speaker 2: And I hope at some point in your life where
Speaker 2: you're already there, you're open to mentorship because everyone, even
Speaker 2: the people sitting next to you could probably teach you
Speaker 2: a thing or two about this beautiful thing called life.
Speaker 3: And David taught me something and I'm gonna be forever grateful.
Speaker 3: So without further ado, Zigan David I got. That's the
Speaker 3: first part. My god his last name right now. Literally
Speaker 3: I'm scared to say it because I don't want to
Speaker 3: mess it up. Lazy David is the game that is
Speaker 3: often time again, thank you, Okay, So that was an
Speaker 3: awesome intro. I feel that I deserved that.
Speaker 6: However, for those of you who have no food.
Speaker 3: Who I am?
Speaker 6: I am currently assigned for crimecy units in the North
Speaker 6: Petrol planet area. I am certified crimesy Investigator, certified like
Speaker 6: ing of Friends examiner.
Speaker 3: I've been to the National Forensic.
Speaker 6: Academy, and I didn't have to help to the National
Speaker 6: Forensic test so many years ago. I started specializing in
Speaker 6: not just the dermal ridges of fingerprints that I was desigating,
Speaker 6: but how they actually what happens during that distortion of
Speaker 6: in the ground, all the cars.
Speaker 3: What's happening.
Speaker 6: I've been past just sharing how to hype ay things,
Speaker 6: and that's honestly, when we're going we're having to put
Speaker 6: those fingerprints into context.
Speaker 3: And not just I found anything of friends and now I.
Speaker 6: D so what happened was is I started surfing coming
Speaker 6: back off how I got into this.
Speaker 3: I'm a ext turkey hunter. I still go out and
Speaker 3: stop them and.
Speaker 6: Find them for some of my friends, all right, I
Speaker 6: basically dropped the pin and say here they are.
Speaker 3: I enjoy the search.
Speaker 6: Walking through the words, I had two rather unique things
Speaker 6: that happened to me. And once you find where they're roosting,
Speaker 6: you could throw that long walk off. Walking through the
Speaker 6: woods at ninety years and in the beginning it was
Speaker 6: just three hundred eighty three acres.
Speaker 3: I knew the.
Speaker 6: Woods very well, very comfortable with all the sounds, knew
Speaker 6: all the animals I only carry.
Speaker 3: I looked back one I thank god, we're so souping.
Speaker 3: But I had a little red flashlight.
Speaker 6: That I would turn on and just leave on my pack,
Speaker 6: and I'd follow my little trail.
Speaker 3: Back and just enjoy the nights.
Speaker 6: I was walking on a rich a.
Speaker 3: Little bit ways down a ridge on a game trail.
Speaker 6: I heard what kind of like set happened to my right,
Speaker 6: and I thought immediately it was my friends messing with me.
Speaker 6: A bunch of other police officers out there in the
Speaker 6: field and like the typical stupid thing that you turned
Speaker 6: around and you say, that's a good way to get
Speaker 6: shot guys, and that kind of thing. There was no answer,
Speaker 6: so I thought maybe it was a thing to.
Speaker 3: Be Bob was messing with our STU cards, some of
Speaker 3: our cameras.
Speaker 6: We kept having cares that were out and a lot
Speaker 6: of activity for deer and turkey.
Speaker 3: We kept having no pictures coming up on their trail papers.
Speaker 6: And it made no sense, so we assumed that there
Speaker 6: was somebody messing with our someone out there poaching, and
Speaker 6: we caught someone coaching before, and we thought maybe they
Speaker 6: were deleting the pictures stuff like that. About that time
Speaker 6: I looked down into the valley and it wasn't a
Speaker 6: large valley. Was that time when you set up the
Speaker 6: deer standing to seek the bottle, so it's not more
Speaker 6: like a hob And at that time I saw my
Speaker 6: very first red lights moving very slowly down in the
Speaker 6: bottom of this little valley, and for a brief home
Speaker 6: it had me. I was distracted, and then I panicked
Speaker 6: because I realized that I had forgotten about the steps
Speaker 6: that were happening. Sat over so my right Telly what
Speaker 6: do you do with that? So my first instinct was,
Speaker 6: all right, I'm going to do what.
Speaker 3: A turkey car does. I'll back up into a shadow,
Speaker 3: up against a tree, and I'm just gonna sit this
Speaker 3: some like.
Speaker 6: I looked back down the red lights. Gard had heard
Speaker 6: me think at twenty minutes. I sat against that tree
Speaker 6: for twenty minutes and I started to walk in. There's
Speaker 6: those steps again, and it's it's a typical story where
Speaker 6: you hear something distracted. It was clearly two feet. Can
Speaker 6: I say it has anything to do with place with No,
Speaker 6: I can not in my role. I just know there
Speaker 6: was two feet following all of that camp. It is
Speaker 6: a mile and a half and it was a weird
Speaker 6: red light that happened to go with I don't know
Speaker 6: what that means. My friends didn't believe me.
Speaker 3: One did.
Speaker 6: This is where the big Foot. They started sitting around
Speaker 6: the camp in a Darsville, Georgia watching finding Bigfoot on
Speaker 6: our table, drinking beer around the fire. The good news
Speaker 6: is they were police.
Speaker 3: Piles that I've been through things with. I knew they were.
Speaker 6: Making fun, but I could tell us something. Agree They
Speaker 6: were believing me a little bit.
Speaker 9: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see We'll
Speaker 9: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 6: The very next time, it was about a year later,
Speaker 6: my brother brought his son to go camping at the
Speaker 6: exact same place.
Speaker 3: We decided we would set up a big char tent
Speaker 3: for him to make you feel comfortable.
Speaker 6: His son was only ten years old. He literally he said,
Speaker 6: Uncle David was that? And I turned and looked, and
Speaker 6: there's that same dang red light floating through the trees.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what to do with those sides
Speaker 3: of things.
Speaker 6: And the one other experience is a same guy sitting
Speaker 6: around the fire, same place.
Speaker 3: I had a friend of mine leaning forward to say, hey,
Speaker 3: fucking points behind us.
Speaker 6: And I had tripped my head, like I don't know,
Speaker 6: I don't hear anything, and he said yes, and then
Speaker 6: he did that thing that everybody doesn't want to happen.
Speaker 3: He said one, two, and he said threep and turned
Speaker 3: around and started running. I was like thanks, So I turned.
Speaker 6: Around and started running with him, and legit, you could
Speaker 6: hear the two sets running through the leaves. We were
Speaker 6: right behind it, shot.
Speaker 3: In our flashlights and it felt like we were back
Speaker 3: out on the street again, chasing someone.
Speaker 6: And I knew what he meant when he said, yeah,
Speaker 6: what the hell again, what they are? And I knew what
Speaker 6: he meant because our life should be shining on right
Speaker 6: where we were seeing these sets like we could. It
Speaker 6: should be right in front of us, but we couldn't
Speaker 6: see it.
Speaker 3: And then out of nowhere, the sets stopped and it
Speaker 3: sounded like a.
Speaker 6: Car door shut in the middle of the woods. But
Speaker 6: he just stopped, and he said, what the He goes,
Speaker 6: check your phone, check your phone. I was like, check
Speaker 6: my phone for what? And he says the road. I said,
Speaker 6: there's no roads here. You've been hunting here forever. There's
Speaker 6: no road here.
Speaker 3: He said, no, check it. There's gonna be one close thine,
Speaker 3: maybe it's down the hill. So I check it. I'm like, look,
Speaker 3: there's nothing here.
Speaker 6: So those are three experiences that I can't say have
Speaker 6: anything to do with Thickfoot, But what they did do
Speaker 6: is say open the door to the possibility.
Speaker 3: For someone like me to say the line to say
Speaker 3: that bigbook doesn't make this if I've had these experiences myself.
Speaker 3: So then what I decided to do was, Hey, I've
Speaker 3: been doing.
Speaker 6: This study and studying how the distortion happened to people
Speaker 6: step into things or touch things. Just set on a
Speaker 6: wheel and let me look up some thickfoot stuff. Let
Speaker 6: me see if I could find some dermal regions on thickfoot.
Speaker 6: It turns out that is really hard to find. So
Speaker 6: I'm scrolling through the Internet and I'm looking at all
Speaker 6: these different pictures, and what I see is a bunch
Speaker 6: of pictures that looked like they could be something, but
Speaker 6: they weren't taken a while enough for someone want me
Speaker 6: to take notes zoom in. It would be bored and
Speaker 6: be taken at an angle from the side.
Speaker 3: Nothing for someone in my.
Speaker 6: Area of expertise that would make me stoppage. And then
Speaker 6: it dawned on me that as I'm scrolling and skipping
Speaker 6: through these pictures, what if I actually have scroll paths,
Speaker 6: an actual.
Speaker 3: Big put in the pressure and it just wants a
Speaker 3: document the proper.
Speaker 6: So I don't get to get out of the field
Speaker 6: as much as everybody else so much as the shaming
Speaker 6: over here has spend a lot.
Speaker 3: Of time out there. So I'm still technically behind that
Speaker 3: desk a lot.
Speaker 6: It's doing a lot of analysis going out and actually
Speaker 6: doing prime scenes.
Speaker 3: We're homicide and sexual assault last week. I don't get
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 6: But what I'm hoping is that if I can impart
Speaker 6: some type of knowledge on how to maybe collect this
Speaker 6: evidence a little better, so maybe some people in my
Speaker 6: field may actually look at it and stop and take notice.
Speaker 6: Maybe some things can start to change, because shame said
Speaker 6: things need to change. We've been doing the same thing over.
Speaker 3: And over for sixty something years now and nothing is
Speaker 3: really changing.
Speaker 6: Luckily, we have people that are now already going to say, hey,
Speaker 6: this is an arguing we need to start produce something
Speaker 6: slightly different.
Speaker 3: At least try it.
Speaker 6: I like the open mindedness up the infrasound. That's a
Speaker 6: novel approach. Maybe we need to set up some experiments
Speaker 6: and get out in the field to pend some equipment
Speaker 6: out and start measuring these things see if it actually exists.
Speaker 6: If not, maybe we can exclude it and move on.
Speaker 6: So one of the things that we do that I
Speaker 6: am lucky to be a part of is to silence
Speaker 6: those other things. I'm also a part of a cold
Speaker 6: case task force and a conviction Integrity unit for Fulton
Speaker 6: County down in Atlanta. We get to look at old
Speaker 6: cases figure out if there was a problem pentically or
Speaker 6: law wise and say, hey, are there any issues here.
Speaker 6: One of the first things that you'll find that you
Speaker 6: do having the new knowledge is the new ways of
Speaker 6: doing things. Is you want to immediately critique or be
Speaker 6: a critic of.
Speaker 3: The way things were done.
Speaker 6: But you have to remember there is this different mindset
Speaker 6: at the time, different ways of thinking, different tools, different technologies,
Speaker 6: just done different So it's easy to say, hey, they
Speaker 6: should have done this, should have done that, but something
Speaker 6: they did do well.
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying that we need to immediately just
Speaker 3: leave and start doing.
Speaker 6: It a whole new way, but we just need to
Speaker 6: keep that in mind as we move forward, because things
Speaker 6: do need to change.
Speaker 3: So what might be some of.
Speaker 6: The things that we need to revisit and watched forgotten tasts?
Speaker 6: We have famous tasts that we are looking to as exemplopers,
Speaker 6: and an exemplar is something that we say is this
Speaker 6: is the Bigfoot pass. This is what represents the Bigfoot repression.
Speaker 6: So we're going to measure all the other rooms that
Speaker 6: we find later against this particular one. I'm here to
Speaker 6: tell you that I've been lucky enough to get my
Speaker 6: hands on some of those famous tasts of Barrickman syns
Speaker 6: them to me. I do analysis almost in the back,
Speaker 6: and I have found some major issues with something. The
Speaker 6: context is important though, when remember I'm talking about different
Speaker 6: time periods. I'm not saying you were intentional by trying
Speaker 6: to host. You don't know what the intent is. You
Speaker 6: can only say, hey, I bound the posits because you
Speaker 6: either have someone who used such the impression before it
Speaker 6: was task or at the time using claster not dental sow.
Speaker 3: It sets picture class.
Speaker 6: At the time, setting longer, pulling it up too soon,
Speaker 6: and mishandling it inadvertently putting fingerprints or marks on it.
Speaker 6: So that's something else to keep in mind and not
Speaker 6: immediately go to this person with the hopes of just
Speaker 6: different time periods, different ways of collecting.
Speaker 3: Evidence early field refors file up a long time.
Speaker 6: Ago, not really looking at it. We've got some people
Speaker 6: are using it for content for YouTubers, different channels, things
Speaker 6: like that, but too hard to separate. Having shame alluded
Speaker 6: to it a little bit, it's getting it hard to
Speaker 6: separate between entertainment.
Speaker 3: And some of the true research that's going on, and
Speaker 3: sometimes that muddies that water.
Speaker 6: They might actually be showing you a real, actual reports
Speaker 6: that we need to be paying attention too, but it's
Speaker 6: on a particular show that may not always be telling
Speaker 6: real research, so we gets harm. It's all the difference.
Speaker 6: So I think, what needs to happen, Just like in.
Speaker 3: The cold cases, we need to go back.
Speaker 6: And start re looking at some of the older evidence
Speaker 6: along with changing the way that we're doing things to happen.
Speaker 6: So this is an example of looking back at some
Speaker 6: of the older casts. I thought it was hilarious because
Speaker 6: remember I only been doing this for a year.
Speaker 3: And a half.
Speaker 6: So I'm looking at this and going, I don't understand
Speaker 6: why everybody is debating around this particular cast. And if
Speaker 6: you don't know what the debate is, there's a rock.
Speaker 6: Somehow the flesh just wrap itself around the rock, and
Speaker 6: that's what everybody seems to be centering. Now I've looked
Speaker 6: at the pictures and I have, so what we're not
Speaker 6: seeing is that rock is actually fairly leveled with the grounds.
Speaker 3: So my big contention is one of the first things.
Speaker 6: We do is we get a cast, we look at
Speaker 6: the pictures and we try to do a reconstruction. Is
Speaker 6: the cast actually come from this impression? There's your side
Speaker 6: by side. If you'll notice what's happening here is we're
Speaker 6: actually missing the top portion of that poe. Now in
Speaker 6: Krantz's paper, he will writes a squi little blurder that
Speaker 6: just says missing. Tough.
Speaker 3: That's it. No one addresses it, no one goes any further.
Speaker 6: And it's crazy because everyone's focusing on the bottom and
Speaker 6: not the missing. So that goes into it. You know,
Speaker 6: at the time, we need to be very careful about
Speaker 6: what we're looking at. We have a piece of evidence
Speaker 6: in front of us. Are we going to be passing
Speaker 6: it properly? How do you missus pose?
Speaker 3: And you're passing something that we may be change the world.
Speaker 6: That's a big deal with The other issue that I
Speaker 6: have that's not mentioned anywhere that I can find.
Speaker 3: Is in the missing tup.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you can see it, but right
Speaker 6: underneath that yellow circle there is another intention. This particular
Speaker 6: cast is actually a double step. You can see what
Speaker 6: looks like a giant large toe on the cast on
Speaker 6: the right, but on the left you can actually if
Speaker 6: you're paying attention, you can see where there's two large
Speaker 6: bows on us. At the time in the early eighties
Speaker 6: when this was happening. Everybody was looking for the next
Speaker 6: big thing. We need to publish something, we need a pictures.
Speaker 3: Here Russian the judgment.
Speaker 6: We were publishing things really fast, trying to get I'm
Speaker 6: the next big guy. And they were sipping sets within
Speaker 6: the first community, and that happened a lot within the
Speaker 6: anthropological side. And this particular trackway, there's another one the
Speaker 6: full left. This opposedly has dermal ridges in it, and
Speaker 6: it's called displayed if that's what they call it, but
Speaker 6: it's not.
Speaker 3: It's actually a bear. And I'm going to go to
Speaker 3: the far side really fast. I know people.
Speaker 6: The first thing people say is bears don't have thermaltages,
Speaker 6: So I know this can't fee a fair.
Speaker 3: So when I first started doing all of this.
Speaker 6: I needed to know how to differentiate what is a
Speaker 6: bear what is not a bear.
Speaker 3: So for the last nine months I've been working with
Speaker 3: some major zooms sanctuaries.
Speaker 6: I've been able to go with part Take and they
Speaker 6: put the bears ever for medical surgery.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
Speaker 6: I get to go and photograph and doctum every bear falls.
Speaker 3: So it turns out that during.
Speaker 6: Certain cycles of the bears called pad life, that some
Speaker 6: of their dermal pathway actually form in rows that can
Speaker 6: mimic sometimes human dermal origins. Am I in any way
Speaker 6: saying that people could accidentally mistake a bear trap for
Speaker 6: a human trap.
Speaker 3: Note, but on some of those really.
Speaker 6: Bad tracks that you can't really see anything and they
Speaker 6: happen to have dermals in them.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's something to keep in mind. But
Speaker 3: a while that there were some people that were taking
Speaker 3: a few liberties.
Speaker 6: Oh with that information, I'm not really share Chrotocols aren't
Speaker 6: born from success, They're born from the stakes.
Speaker 3: So I get to get up here and say that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have all these expertise and talk like I
Speaker 6: know what I'm talking about, and I'm here to tell
Speaker 6: you I've made some big ones.
Speaker 3: I have tripped over dead people.
Speaker 6: I've dropped a camera filter into a pull of Like ironically,
Speaker 6: I put this up thinking that was from three years ago,
Speaker 6: and I did it last week. I didn't follow one
Speaker 6: of my own procedures because I got the places. Usually
Speaker 6: when I take out my camera my truck, I take
Speaker 6: the build through off the new stap off, poss it
Speaker 6: on the front seat so I could find it. This
Speaker 6: I literally dropped it in the pull of blood right
Speaker 6: next to the bio. So we all make mistakes, and
Speaker 6: the key behind telling you this, or the reason behind
Speaker 6: is you have to own your mistakes. You don't get
Speaker 6: to try to fix them, cover it up, try to
Speaker 6: hide it. So for me, unfortunately, I went ahead and
Speaker 6: photographed the entire scene with.
Speaker 3: That camera lens cover sitting right there in the book.
Speaker 3: Did not remember.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be embarrassing at especially in my credentials. I
Speaker 6: get to testify the extport witnesses Ulton County all the time,
Speaker 6: and now I'm gonna have to go before it and say, yeah,
Speaker 6: I did that.
Speaker 3: But if you thought I was going.
Speaker 6: To remove it and leave some kind of weird mark
Speaker 6: in that blood because it was startingming co jail and
Speaker 6: then try to come up with a reason of what
Speaker 6: that mark was, that's a surefire way to ruin my integrity,
Speaker 6: my credibility, and never be taken seriously again. So we
Speaker 6: all make mistakes, we all do stuff. But the point
Speaker 6: is we learn along the way, and that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 6: We don't get to just start off going all right,
Speaker 6: I have this checklist, I know what I'm doing, follow
Speaker 6: it down. Boom, I'm just it's nice.
Speaker 3: I still work from a checklist, but sometimes you get ahead.
Speaker 6: Of yourself, you get tunnel vision, you get excited. I've
Speaker 6: been doing this forever, and you make mistakes.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're all going to do it. You just have
Speaker 3: to own it, document it.
Speaker 6: It's just that easy. So this is what I was
Speaker 6: hitting at earlier about I'm mainly in the last and
Speaker 6: out of crime scenes. I'm working full time and doing
Speaker 6: this as a side hobby.
Speaker 3: But you guys are the ones going out there.
Speaker 6: So I have to ask you can truly believe it's
Speaker 6: an undiscovered crimate or interdimensional being or even something stranger,
Speaker 6: and you're standing in front of physical evidence, how seriously
Speaker 6: are you treating it?
Speaker 3: Think about it.
Speaker 6: We're talking about something undiscovered, not yet proven. Shame was
Speaker 6: alluding to it. It's a big deal of that. Think
Speaker 6: about what it means for the world scientifically. If you
Speaker 6: were able to actually show some real evidence, some real proof,
Speaker 6: it's a huge deal. So why detracts matter? The big
Speaker 6: new thing is e DNA going after DNA.
Speaker 3: Why detracts matter? Number one?
Speaker 6: It's the main foot it's the main piece of evidence
Speaker 6: that we're finding length and will we haven't really established
Speaker 6: a known length and WI. Sometimes we assume things are
Speaker 6: juvenile because of the length and whip. Sometimes we make
Speaker 6: a lot of assumptions. Right now, we don't really have
Speaker 6: the No One stamus. But if we're collecting the data
Speaker 6: regularly like we should be, then we can actually start
Speaker 6: to develop pattern and we can review look at those
Speaker 6: paths and I don't know.
Speaker 3: It seems simple, right, but it's not really happening. It's
Speaker 3: happening like.
Speaker 6: What RPG alluded to. A lot of us are holding
Speaker 6: on to our research. We're holding onto our information and
Speaker 6: we're not sharing it. And that's calibered upper and it
Speaker 6: goes against everything to do with science.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be paying to download a paper. They do
Speaker 3: it within my own field. It's horrible.
Speaker 6: I publish a paper and then some other company bis
Speaker 6: it next thing. You know, if you want to read it,
Speaker 6: you're having to take it butts to subscribe to the company.
Speaker 6: It's ridiculous. But we have a choice here where we
Speaker 6: don't do that because we're not pure reviewing or even
Speaker 6: publishing papers. But we do have an opportunity to use
Speaker 6: the start that we have to share that information. But
Speaker 6: we have to be transparent about how we got it.
Speaker 6: You have to be transparent about how we measured it,
Speaker 6: how we photographed it.
Speaker 9: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 9: right back after these.
Speaker 6: Messages, so all those things that we can get. So
Speaker 6: going back to the photograph that I initially saw, Hey,
Speaker 6: this might actually be something, but I.
Speaker 3: Just moved on. One of the key things that.
Speaker 6: We do when photographing the sub crime scene is is
Speaker 6: we live by three cendents, overalls.
Speaker 3: Mid ranges, can closet up.
Speaker 6: How many people have seen this particular kind of photo
Speaker 6: and it just said I saw there's on the trailer.
Speaker 3: The other day. It literally gives you nothing. There is
Speaker 3: nothing there. It's close.
Speaker 6: So I made that image on the top and then
Speaker 6: within thirty seconds with the free program, paint erased my
Speaker 6: fight tracks, my shoe impression and made it just as
Speaker 6: a point we show you I can make those thirty
Speaker 6: seconds and post it all on. We have to start questioning.
Speaker 3: Things, and the things that I'm seeing in this community
Speaker 3: is it's almost like a forbidden thing to question, and
Speaker 3: that's not cool.
Speaker 6: You should be allowed to question something without being ostracized,
Speaker 6: called a non believer or yelled at or I believe
Speaker 6: there's possibility.
Speaker 3: There's I know there's something out in the woods. I
Speaker 3: don't know what it is.
Speaker 6: I haven't had the pleasure of having that experience, but
Speaker 6: I do know that you have to start questioning things
Speaker 6: and being more discerning, especially with the development of AI.
Speaker 3: The reseconds on a free program of how you can
Speaker 3: change images.
Speaker 6: So the first thing, and again Shane alluded to it.
Speaker 6: He deluded to a lot of things. He can basically
Speaker 6: teased me up. Really nice, we have tunneled it.
Speaker 3: We find a track, Oh my god, there's a track.
Speaker 6: What are some of those things that we need to
Speaker 6: do before we start passing, before we start ruining other evs.
Speaker 6: It's just like a crime scene.
Speaker 3: If I find a foot there, I think is they
Speaker 3: put almost.
Speaker 6: Treat it like there's a body in the woods, and
Speaker 6: I'm going to address it that way because I may.
Speaker 3: Find something really cool.
Speaker 6: And I get to say when someone questions me and
Speaker 6: asks me every question they possibly can, I get pretient
Speaker 6: like I'm in court and going no, I did it
Speaker 6: the right way and this this and this is why.
Speaker 6: So you have to secure the area. And one of
Speaker 6: the first things you do when you get television, and
Speaker 6: when you find that footprint, you start screaming, oh my god, everybody,
Speaker 6: I found.
Speaker 3: A footprint premiere and everybody comes running from all directions to.
Speaker 6: Come look at it and trample over all this other
Speaker 6: possible evidence that may be there, because what you haven't
Speaker 6: figured out yet is what direction the track layer came
Speaker 6: from when it made that impression of the ground. You
Speaker 6: don't know where it came from. It could have come
Speaker 6: in hurt, and now you have everybody trampling around all
Speaker 6: that evidence. The first thing we do is check the weather.
Speaker 6: What kind of time do we have? Is it getting
Speaker 6: a rain anytime soon? Or a strong winds coming? Do
Speaker 6: we need to start setting up something to block this
Speaker 6: wind that may be coming, or set up something to.
Speaker 3: Stop this rain.
Speaker 6: There's so many different questions you. That's the first thing
Speaker 6: we ask. And then what are my resources? And when
Speaker 6: I mean by resources, i'm talking about equipment. You'll have
Speaker 6: a passing material. Do I need to send somebody to
Speaker 6: go get more casting material while I start to document
Speaker 6: everything else? Because we're on the timeline, is there a
Speaker 6: better track if you only have limited resources, Say you
Speaker 6: only got that two pounds of ultrapow or perfect pass left,
Speaker 6: and you have to make a decision which your task
Speaker 6: if I gotta do and how do you determine that
Speaker 6: which one has the best details? We create a marked
Speaker 6: tas we'll actually widen out the area, take it all
Speaker 6: and we'll actually create a path with flags or tape
Speaker 6: or something, and that's how we come in and out
Speaker 6: until we decided otherwise if you have to sometimes slow down.
Speaker 6: It was just like Shane said, you got to slow down.
Speaker 6: And I have legit walked around the corner and been
Speaker 6: surprised by seeing at twenty two years in, I walk
Speaker 6: around a corner and every once in a while I go, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, like this is that thing is slowly back out.
Speaker 3: I'm like watching where I'm walking.
Speaker 6: I know I have to get out, pre plan, think
Speaker 6: about what's gonna happen next, but I'm always tatting it
Speaker 6: on where I'm stepping, and it didn't come naturally at first.
Speaker 6: Now I can tell you what finger touch something, what
Speaker 6: foot touched something, where it was. It's a hard thing
Speaker 6: to do, but it takes time. So this is starting
Speaker 6: to be on the right track. Okay, so this is
Speaker 6: how we begin our documentation on a single track, and
Speaker 6: even with a single fingerprints, we would literally write I
Speaker 6: put a marker here giving it an item number, and
Speaker 6: this is in case I find some other evidence later,
Speaker 6: then I can get that an item number, and that
Speaker 6: an item number.
Speaker 3: Because I'm actually going to write a report, I'm going
Speaker 3: I'm gonna refer.
Speaker 6: To these idel numbers as we go, so you can't
Speaker 6: really see it, but right here as a flag, this
Speaker 6: is where I'm going to start taking all my overall
Speaker 6: photographs putting this print into context. You need to be
Speaker 6: able to tell how many times have you seen a
Speaker 6: footprint online and you're asked.
Speaker 3: Where was it? It's just simple question everybody.
Speaker 6: Asks and you don't even have to go by their
Speaker 6: word instead of the pictures that show you where they
Speaker 6: found this. So what you do on these overall photographs,
Speaker 6: you take a series of three hundred and sixty degree
Speaker 6: photographs is overlap one another. So in the end you
Speaker 6: basically lay out all these photographs and you can see everything.
Speaker 3: Around up there is no doubt.
Speaker 6: Of where this particular location wants and something else. People
Speaker 6: like to censor their impression in the photograph is not necessary.
Speaker 6: As long as it's in the photograph, it's not necessary.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you can't. You're on a trail, small you're on
Speaker 6: the trail, you're on a small dirt road.
Speaker 3: You need to move around.
Speaker 6: And get this three hundred and sixty three overlapping photographs.
Speaker 6: So you're not gonna always be able to put it
Speaker 6: in the center. As long as it's in the photograph,
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter. So now see you're starting to get
Speaker 6: an idea of where I was, and it's very important.
Speaker 6: So now what's happening is I'm actually starting to move
Speaker 6: in to some of those emit range shots. So before
Speaker 6: when you have the overall shots, you were getting surrounding area.
Speaker 6: Now what you can see. If this was more detailed,
Speaker 6: it had a better monitor, you would starting to see
Speaker 6: like deer tracks, some coniority tracks. You're starting to see
Speaker 6: other things in the environment that may be a value later.
Speaker 6: It can be a painstaking process, it really can't, but
Speaker 6: it's necessary. So when someone starts asking you questions, it
Speaker 6: puts things into context. I'm gonna keep saying the word context.
Speaker 3: Over and over. You can see other animal tracks right
Speaker 3: there in the ground. Is answering a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: So where were they going?
Speaker 6: We'll do this a lot right before we move into
Speaker 6: the actual close up photographs of the ground.
Speaker 3: I'll get down and show you what direction where were
Speaker 3: they going.
Speaker 6: You can I chose this particular spot because deer we're
Speaker 6: running through right here, and you can see that in
Speaker 6: the brush right there was getting.
Speaker 3: Pulled apart right here, and.
Speaker 6: Where are they coming from. It's all helpful information and
Speaker 6: it might not be and it's one.
Speaker 3: Of the things that go back to the cold cases.
Speaker 6: We look at those cold cases and I think, I
Speaker 6: wish they would have got this.
Speaker 3: I wish they would have documented that.
Speaker 6: So we moved more into a we're going to document everything.
Speaker 6: We're gonna take everything that we can because we don't
Speaker 6: know what may be valuable later. We don't know what
Speaker 6: another expert that's in a different field may be looking
Speaker 6: at our stuff and say, hey, I see something you
Speaker 6: didn't have to see, something that was not of your specialty,
Speaker 6: and I understand something else that's happened here.
Speaker 3: So it's really important that we document everything.
Speaker 6: So now we move into the close up and then
Speaker 6: you can see there is a problem.
Speaker 3: It's evening time. The sun's capting the shadow and we
Speaker 3: have a problem.
Speaker 6: I have the scale and that the picture is now
Speaker 6: parallel to the ground. The camera's parallel filling up the frame.
Speaker 6: That's really important. So here's an example of problems with
Speaker 6: not taking the.
Speaker 3: Pictures parallel to the ground.
Speaker 6: You can see it's the exact same fingerprint, just taking
Speaker 6: at different angles. It's changing the appearance at that and
Speaker 6: the same thing happens when we're taking pictures of footprints
Speaker 6: in the ground. So why does it have to be parallel.
Speaker 6: Here's a little experiment. We use this software called image jet.
Speaker 6: It's three online software. Most of the science people are
Speaker 6: using it for like precise measuring. It can go out
Speaker 6: to like submillimeters.
Speaker 3: Right here, I have a picture that looks very close
Speaker 3: to being parallel.
Speaker 6: On the right at my scale data, I measured ten
Speaker 6: millimeters at the top and the yellow ten millimeters.
Speaker 3: It's avolve and.
Speaker 6: The rest, and then I measure the distance. Those two
Speaker 6: distances are the same according to that program, I'm getting
Speaker 6: two different measure at the top the red line as
Speaker 6: this five hundred and sevent eighty nine millimeters almost three
Speaker 6: eighty six. But I have a scale on the ground
Speaker 6: and I measured out ten millimeters on topim ten millimeters
Speaker 6: on the bottom. But because the camera angle is sewed,
Speaker 6: one looks longer than the other. That's why it has
Speaker 6: to be parallel. Because if I'm going to get in
Speaker 6: and start looking at thermo ridges measuring the width of
Speaker 6: zum to see if they look all human, look like something.
Speaker 3: Else, then I'm going to need to be able to
Speaker 3: measure it properly. So it has to be parallel.
Speaker 6: The only thing that's really good for having to scale
Speaker 6: there and taking it not in parallels to give you
Speaker 6: an idea of the lengthen it and approximation, but it's
Speaker 6: not going to be precise. Here's the example of Now
Speaker 6: it's parallel, so you see here it says seventeen point
Speaker 6: eight or one inches or familiar four or fifty three
Speaker 6: versus see it's actually somewhere in the minute, so it
Speaker 6: makes a difference. Tips for dealing with the sun. I
Speaker 6: have this cool umbrella that goes on your head. We
Speaker 6: use actual umbrellas with arms at work, with actually long handles,
Speaker 6: but they come in very handy for protecting the case
Speaker 6: it's raining wind while we're doing something else.
Speaker 3: I can cover that. One fits in my pack and
Speaker 3: it's only a bit no big long handle. I can
Speaker 3: pull it out.
Speaker 6: And just drop it right on top and protect it
Speaker 6: from wind, protect it from any rain that might be starting.
Speaker 3: To happen while I handle some other side.
Speaker 6: Very helpful. I also can create shade. I have provase
Speaker 6: taking pictures of that right now because there's a shadow being.
Speaker 3: Cast over top of it. But if I take this little.
Speaker 6: Handy device, there's just nothing more than a little mechanic
Speaker 6: slash light with a long led on it. Like, so
Speaker 6: I can create a shade and be able to take
Speaker 6: it now, So now you can start to see the inside.
Speaker 3: It makes a difference, it really does.
Speaker 6: So what you're seeing now is the one on the
Speaker 6: left is just a shadow with the picture, and then
Speaker 6: the one on the right, and start to bring out
Speaker 6: the details a little more with what we call holy flighting.
Speaker 3: It's lighting being shot from the side, and then we
Speaker 3: get closer.
Speaker 6: So nowadays, honestly, this is where everyone used to stop
Speaker 6: when we were taking pictures of footwear impressions.
Speaker 3: Now we actually do a little more in detail.
Speaker 6: We'll actually map out the inside of that footwear impression,
Speaker 6: and you take more close ups on the inside of
Speaker 6: that footwear repression, and then we're able to map it out,
Speaker 6: put it together and take high resolutions. So just so
Speaker 6: you know, I know everybody talks about not being able
Speaker 6: to afford a DS all our camera, We've done entire
Speaker 6: crime scenes with our home. The phones are more miraculous tools.
Speaker 6: They take awesome, great pictures, some of them are better,
Speaker 6: better than some of the older DSRs.
Speaker 3: And one thing I would caution you again, So there's
Speaker 3: two things.
Speaker 6: One is leaving it on that automatic optimization where it
Speaker 6: basically creates all this extra contrast for you and tries
Speaker 6: to make a picture a look better.
Speaker 3: It'll end up that picture.
Speaker 6: If you try to zoom in, it'll create contrasts, and
Speaker 6: when it creates that contrast, is adding information to that
Speaker 6: image to create that contrast, and sometimes it covers over some.
Speaker 3: Of those details.
Speaker 6: The other thing is don't pension zoom with your phone
Speaker 6: to zoom in and take pictures. All that's doing is
Speaker 6: it's a digital zoom. It's not actually zooming. It's just
Speaker 6: taking the original photo and make it a bigger So
Speaker 6: when I go to zoom in, I'm just going to
Speaker 6: see a bunch of pixelations. I'm not going to actually
Speaker 6: see the image. So you just have to bring the
Speaker 6: phone in closer to the ground. If you're going to
Speaker 6: be taking those kind of shots, those will be the
Speaker 6: two biggest issues that I see when people are using their.
Speaker 3: Calls, And if you're aware of that, you can avoid it.
Speaker 6: Your goal is we've done forget the best card around, right,
Speaker 6: so use the phone, and it ended up being beautiful.
Speaker 6: Just knowing those shortcomings with the phone and knowing how
Speaker 6: to work it, it actually is very valuable. Cool. So
Speaker 6: if you're going to start doing this again, it's three
Speaker 6: hundred to sixty degrees, moving all the way around with
Speaker 6: that lighting, because what's happening now is you're creating shadows,
Speaker 6: and those shadows can actually go over top of some
Speaker 6: of that information. So you could be creating but there's
Speaker 6: a rock in your impression and you hit it. You
Speaker 6: could cast a shadow over top of some dermal ridges.
Speaker 4: And you miss.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna have to move those life.
Speaker 6: All the way around and take another series of three
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty degrees. I realized this scens get really boring.
Speaker 6: But when we talk about bringing this information into an
Speaker 6: analysis and actually trying to do something this work and
Speaker 6: furthering this work scientifically, then you're gonna have people like
Speaker 6: me start looking for these pictures, and if I don't
Speaker 6: have them, I'm gonna move on. Then I'm gonna go
Speaker 6: try to find something else. It's tame stacking, and it
Speaker 6: hurts my heart when people know they have something and
Speaker 6: they bring it to me and they say what do
Speaker 6: you think? And my first thoughts is all the crowd.
Speaker 3: You may have something, but it's not good.
Speaker 6: I don't want to say that to anybody, because some
Speaker 6: of this can get emotional. People have emotional experiences, unfortunately.
Speaker 3: And I don't want people to take this the wrong way.
Speaker 6: But I don't get to have emotions in this investigation.
Speaker 6: Stock It is what it is. I hope people hate that.
Speaker 6: I hate period it, but when I'm looking at evidence,
Speaker 6: it either is good enough or it's not. There's nothing
Speaker 6: I can do about it but bore you with how
Speaker 6: to try to get it right. So examples of regular
Speaker 6: sunlight versus shadow, with sidelining versus the moving in and
Speaker 6: getting some more detail. This is what marcut he was
Speaker 6: talking about, scam versus versus reconcrete d We are going
Speaker 6: to address the light are really quick because there is
Speaker 6: a misconceptions here.
Speaker 3: Scan verse is a great act.
Speaker 6: We attended to try to use it in the lab
Speaker 6: as a short cuts that there's no shortcut, so it
Speaker 6: only works well with the iPhone using line. If you
Speaker 6: have an Android and you're trying to use scam a verse,
Speaker 6: don't even boller.
Speaker 3: Don't try to do any kind of scanning with nanders.
Speaker 3: You have to have the light ar on the Apple.
Speaker 9: Phone and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 9: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 6: And then something else people are forgetting when it's shooting
Speaker 6: the light are up. It's shooting those raids out like
Speaker 6: it's coming out what your color, But farther away you
Speaker 6: want from that object, the less precise the measurements are gamped,
Speaker 6: so that means when you're scanning, you're gonna have to
Speaker 6: take up a lot of their ring and a lot
Speaker 6: of time very close to scanning her objects. And even then, Scanner.
Speaker 3: Verse is not working in the court system right now.
Speaker 3: It's not allowed.
Speaker 6: Not a thing riconcree D however, has been tried to
Speaker 6: test it in the court systems.
Speaker 3: It's a pay for play.
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, like all good things, that is where it's at
Speaker 6: for light arc Scanner versus is good for maybe making
Speaker 6: a few souvenirs. Our problem with it is when we
Speaker 6: put it on a flat surface and put a scale
Speaker 6: down next to a cast.
Speaker 3: We tried to do it.
Speaker 6: The cast looked wonderful because the cast is all bumpy,
Speaker 6: so you can't see the irregulars.
Speaker 3: Now what it did due to our scale that was
Speaker 3: laying next to it is it.
Speaker 6: Made it weed. The points on the mesh may have
Speaker 6: been like close to being accurate, but not accurate enough
Speaker 6: for actually conducting any true manorance. The photographmetry that went
Speaker 6: along with it was so car made it look off
Speaker 6: at weed, so we immediately had to abandon it. We
Speaker 6: found reconcrete.
Speaker 3: D agency said no, you keep using your giant scanner,
Speaker 3: which is cumbersome. We have sixty thousand dollars for you
Speaker 3: scanner that we can use, but.
Speaker 6: It's like this thing.
Speaker 3: It's a pain anyway.
Speaker 6: So now we cast it awesome footprint.
Speaker 3: What comes next? Honestly, before we.
Speaker 6: Cast, we'd have to make a decision, right and I
Speaker 6: was talking with christ this, We have to make a
Speaker 6: decision before we cast.
Speaker 3: Are we going to attempt to try to collect any
Speaker 3: DNA from within this impression? Are you going to go
Speaker 3: for a DNA it's something you have to make a
Speaker 3: decision about. The question was how do you decide where
Speaker 3: to take it from?
Speaker 6: And if you've done everything properly, and you've already have
Speaker 6: gone around looking for detail with that side lighting and
Speaker 6: looking for you definitely don't want to touch the toes, right,
Speaker 6: But if you find a nice place that looks like
Speaker 6: it's messed up, even a rock that's in there, take
Speaker 6: a rock, take a little tongue press or stoop out
Speaker 6: some stand or dirt or soil. But what you are
Speaker 6: going to have to do what I did with the
Speaker 6: cap to the camera. You're gonna have to document the
Speaker 6: entire process. You're going to actually have to show yourself
Speaker 6: with one photograph. Taking example, this is where it came from.
Speaker 6: Item number, it came from here, labeled the bag. Label
Speaker 6: Whatever you're doing, it's going to have to match up
Speaker 6: with that. And then after you've cast it you're game.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to label that compression. You're gonna have
Speaker 3: to photograph.
Speaker 6: Labels that if this intention comes from the rock iron
Speaker 6: mood trying to get you in it. It is that
Speaker 6: kind of painstaking process that's happening right now because we're
Speaker 6: looking at stuff. I'm going, Yes, you didn't document it,
Speaker 6: didn't have, didn't document it, didn't have I hear that
Speaker 6: all the timing cook and I know we're not enforced,
Speaker 6: but we are definitely coming under scrutiny for trying to
Speaker 6: move forward in big Foot research.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna have to up our game. Then. I
Speaker 3: know it's a pain. It's boring. I get bored.
Speaker 6: Sometimes doing this, especially the reports that after write later
Speaker 6: I get to.
Speaker 3: Go have the phone in the field, and then I
Speaker 3: go back and spend two days writing about so what
Speaker 3: comes next? You're not done.
Speaker 6: You've made the cast. Now you're doing You've done the cast?
Speaker 6: Where is it going? Where are they coming from? You
Speaker 6: have so many more questions you have to start asking
Speaker 6: yourself writing down OURPG talked about freeing in your notepad,
Speaker 6: your notebook.
Speaker 3: Your journal.
Speaker 6: Guess what it's time While that past is drawing, it's
Speaker 6: time to start answering some of these other questions. There's
Speaker 6: so many, and it just keeps going on and on.
Speaker 6: Now I carry five different forms, one for hair, one
Speaker 6: for a footprint, one for blood, one for I just
Speaker 6: goes on and on and they're like eight pages long.
Speaker 6: But I want to be able to if I were
Speaker 6: to actually find something. I don't want to miss anything.
Speaker 6: I got it down for my crime scenes, I don't
Speaker 6: have it down for I'm in the woods that I
Speaker 6: just got excited because I'm found a footprint. I think
Speaker 6: maybe in a discovered priming, I may not remember some
Speaker 6: stuff because.
Speaker 3: I'm now super excited. Because I've been doing this for
Speaker 3: a long time.
Speaker 6: I've got foured a couple of times, and I see
Speaker 6: myself getting very excited about something in the wood, so
Speaker 6: i'd see the backing off and going to get my form.
Speaker 3: I gotta do this right, So take your time and
Speaker 3: learn some new things as you go.
Speaker 6: Because while I was doing those notes and pretending like
Speaker 6: I was going through the scene for that particular footprint
Speaker 6: that I made, I saw that these passion flowers were everywhere,
Speaker 6: and I thought the fil here, I said, I don't
Speaker 6: want to cut over you.
Speaker 3: Here because there was a bunch of fun impression.
Speaker 6: So I know why they were there. That turns out, now, dear,
Speaker 6: do not like the passion bar for me your times up?
Speaker 6: I thought for sure, No, it was just a good
Speaker 6: place to hide as a good cut for it. So
Speaker 6: what happens after you've done all this morning craft. We
Speaker 6: did follow the walk through our second walk through it.
Speaker 6: It's horrible. We basically take our checklists and we go
Speaker 6: back into the scene after we think we're done, and
Speaker 6: we go through the entire thing all over again to
Speaker 6: make sure we didn't miss anything and we didn't actually stick.
Speaker 3: The set because once we release the scene, once we leave,
Speaker 3: it's old.
Speaker 6: You can come back, but now your chain of custody
Speaker 6: of your scene is gone. You don't know what could
Speaker 6: have come through and changed it after you were gone.
Speaker 3: You can't come back and say, oh, I found this,
Speaker 3: I missed it. No, you did.
Speaker 6: Maybe that happened later and it's too late. So it's
Speaker 6: a painstaking process, it really is. But it's something that's necessary.
Speaker 3: Oh. By the way, I put this up for Shane.
Speaker 6: When I was earlier, he was talking about how the
Speaker 6: foot could sometimes press off. This is a book by
Speaker 6: William Bozziak. It is like between a bookwear specialist. He
Speaker 6: wrote this book in nineteen ninety. This is a page
Speaker 6: from it that I thoughttioned with like because it shows
Speaker 6: him just talking about how the soil or substrate's changing
Speaker 6: while someone's walking and creating exactly what he was talking about,
Speaker 6: which is something that could be interpreted as a mid
Speaker 6: partial break depending on the substrate the soil, so that
Speaker 6: was pretty possible to me. I have a quot that
Speaker 6: I originally wrote for a CSI roll, and each chapter
Speaker 6: was about how to cast a footwear impression and each
Speaker 6: type of soil and substrates. So each chapters are mud
Speaker 6: or sand or it's different types of substrate plotcat and
Speaker 6: the first half of it is basically what I just
Speaker 6: got to be talking about.
Speaker 3: On how to document it, and then it's some sequent
Speaker 3: chapters on how to actually do the cast. You've got
Speaker 3: no solo on the substrate.
Speaker 6: If he alluded to it when he was talking about
Speaker 6: Chhane was talking about the different soil and substrates, it
Speaker 6: actually does matter. We found that doing it the same
Speaker 6: way every.
Speaker 3: Single time when you're casting the foot.
Speaker 6: Repression in the ground is not always conducive to getting
Speaker 6: the best details. So where you have like a nice
Speaker 6: money thing that's like the great thing of money impression that.
Speaker 3: Is not all that valuable yet it's starting to hard
Speaker 3: be able like perfect, it still has all the details.
Speaker 6: And then you would on the sand where you buy
Speaker 6: that impression, you can actually call some vibrations and fall
Speaker 6: sen Sandard when you can fall down.
Speaker 3: Into the details.
Speaker 6: There's so many things you can do to prepare each
Speaker 6: type of soil and substrate before you even put the
Speaker 6: casting material in.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 6: Also how to prepare that particular casting material cool with different.
Speaker 3: Types of substrates.
Speaker 6: So whether you're going to put it in a little
Speaker 6: thicker for whether it's like a super wattery money, or
Speaker 6: you're gonna go a little thinner because you know that
Speaker 6: this particular impression, you can would stand that pressure and
Speaker 6: you can get all the details. There's different ways, but
Speaker 6: it takes practice. It was basically a little field mammal
Speaker 6: that I wish I would have had when I was
Speaker 6: first starting when I was passed that we basically had
Speaker 6: to be played with an excur but luckily my agency
Speaker 6: had allowed us to exper They push us to right
Speaker 6: punish though. That's actually really cool. If anyone has any
Speaker 6: questions about anything.
Speaker 3: We're welcome task. Yeah, sir, you guys had to use
Speaker 3: or will try to use. I know the nixty sixty
Speaker 3: cameras now everywhere like plight for documenting a frack team. No,
Speaker 3: we have what's not the Pharaoh three D scanner. It's
Speaker 3: the standard that sits on top of trypod.
Speaker 6: We operate the far away with a map and it
Speaker 6: actually sends around on top of this tripod and it
Speaker 6: shoots out the light art. And while this is doing that,
Speaker 6: it's also pick the pictures that it will overlay on
Speaker 6: top of those measurements and it gets down to some millimeter.
Speaker 6: So for indoor scenes that are big like that or
Speaker 6: outdoor scenes like that, will use that particular scan.
Speaker 3: Is what it enables us to do is we can
Speaker 3: actually walk through, but we're walking through the scene and
Speaker 3: now we're using.
Speaker 6: VR headsets for the jury where we can actually move
Speaker 6: you through the scene and we don't have to map
Speaker 6: and measure anything anymore because a lot are doing it
Speaker 6: for us. So literally on the screen, I can take
Speaker 6: my cursors from my moms and clip the butt of
Speaker 6: a gun drag and wherever I stop, that point gives
Speaker 6: me the precise measurement to the military. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. It's it's sixty thousand dollars piece of equipment.
Speaker 6: It takes about twelve minutes per scan and what we
Speaker 6: do is we as long as we move it through
Speaker 6: the entire house and they take twenty sees and then
Speaker 6: we can start evidence suction in the communication, so we
Speaker 6: can actually do an entire thing and make it look
Speaker 6: three D and I can walk you through the entire thing.
Speaker 6: That's a great idea.
Speaker 3: What you said. Absolutely, But we're lucky enough to have
Speaker 3: that us of equipment. Yeah, so it's a little of
Speaker 3: what you're talking about. You can talk about from ridges
Speaker 3: of footprints. Where about fingerprints? A lot of times you
Speaker 3: can't cast those. So how would you go about getting
Speaker 3: a fingerprint or are you happy? No, that's actually my
Speaker 3: special finger a fingerprints side. So we do it the
Speaker 3: same way.
Speaker 6: Basic, it's basically the same mindset. So to say I
Speaker 6: found a fingerprint on the side of a door on
Speaker 6: a car, I would take pictures of the entire car.
Speaker 6: I would take pictures of where the car was. Then
Speaker 6: once I find that that fingerprint, I.
Speaker 3: Actually go up and I scale. I picked a scale,
Speaker 3: give it a night or remember, and then I back
Speaker 3: up and I'll take like a.
Speaker 6: Whole profile side of the car to show where that
Speaker 6: scale is, because not that scale tell you where that
Speaker 6: fingerprint from.
Speaker 3: Right, So now I have the item number written on it,
Speaker 3: and now I'm going to like enough to photograph this.
Speaker 3: If I haven't use power yet, I'm going to tip
Speaker 3: the photographs without power. If I have to use powder,
Speaker 3: it's just a enough for me to photograph it.
Speaker 6: So back in the day, it was all about putting
Speaker 6: powder on, putting capon, lifting it, and the evidence the
Speaker 6: fingerprint was on the fingerprint color.
Speaker 3: So now it's the photograph. We're working from PHOTOO. We're
Speaker 3: processing it for the photograph, which is usually much less power.
Speaker 3: For that power. Once we get a little bit on,
Speaker 3: we're actually working with the flash light and shining on
Speaker 3: the front from the side. As we put the powder on,
Speaker 3: you see it start to develop. Once it starts to.
Speaker 6: Develop this side, and then you'll control the lighting and
Speaker 6: you photograph that again parallel.
Speaker 3: To the surface with the scale, try to make it
Speaker 3: as thag as you can.
Speaker 6: And then we'll even add powder afterwards, because we know
Speaker 6: that was not enough powder being to show up.
Speaker 3: The card, so now we'll add it. And the only
Speaker 3: reason we.
Speaker 6: Even take cards now is because the Fulton County government
Speaker 6: where I work, they think that the handheld physical something
Speaker 6: is the evens which is in.
Speaker 3: The cress the law states is what is the most fair.
Speaker 6: And accurate representation of the ovens, and that would be
Speaker 6: the photograph the most detailed before I destroyed.
Speaker 3: It more by putting more finger from how they're on
Speaker 3: it the lift to get on. So yeah, that's basically
Speaker 3: how you do it.
Speaker 6: It's the same way as finding thus but we're basically
Speaker 6: trying to set it up for the photograph and you
Speaker 6: run across the stain issues when you're photographing that evidence of.
Speaker 3: The windshield member. You've got the reflections. I see a
Speaker 3: lot of that frole.
Speaker 6: People are taking that camera and they're moving it to
Speaker 6: the side trying to get that better photograph, and that's
Speaker 6: the exact opposite of what you're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 6: You should keep it parallel and you control the light
Speaker 6: on the window. So one of the things that we
Speaker 6: do for that issue is we'll take something black and
Speaker 6: we'll take to the back.
Speaker 3: Of the window to help deal with that player and.
Speaker 6: Then use that side lighting and then makes it pop
Speaker 6: and stand out like nobody's business. But there's no reason
Speaker 6: ever why you should be moving the cameras should always
Speaker 6: be parallel, because now I can't even.
Speaker 3: Put it into the end of database if it's not
Speaker 3: the correct measurement. When I put it in, it's not
Speaker 3: going to return, so we have to be.
Speaker 6: Very careful about taking pictures of making sure that we're
Speaker 6: on plank will coste R.
Speaker 3: Yeah. In terms of fasting media, they always two pet
Speaker 3: use your p vision.
Speaker 6: Any of the level freer, level four dentle cells, they
Speaker 6: all have different name brands that they're all dentle Cells,
Speaker 6: like I prefer Perfect pass it's.
Speaker 3: A name round.
Speaker 6: I just don't have them all because it comes free
Speaker 6: packages in two pounds and four pound bats, and I
Speaker 6: happen to know two pounds is about the average size
Speaker 6: of my footprints, and four pounds maybe big.
Speaker 3: Enough for a back foot Ultra Top thirty that everyone
Speaker 3: seems to use.
Speaker 6: I know that became very popular. It's really no difference.
Speaker 6: I just chose nine over passages.
Speaker 3: But there's no reason really one name ran.
Speaker 6: Over another as long as it's the simplest song, and
Speaker 6: level three or higher. Level four is almost like no
Speaker 6: reason to ever have it. It's just overcoin and it
Speaker 6: doesn't really change the results. It's just and I think
Speaker 6: it's just a hardness issue.
Speaker 3: But it's hard to break, but.
Speaker 6: It is good enough to get fingerprint level decals like
Speaker 6: really good fingerprint level details. Right, So I only choose
Speaker 6: perfect cast because of the bags that comes in easily, soable,
Speaker 6: and they're nice, sick the bags, and I can throw
Speaker 6: them around and they're not.
Speaker 3: Going to break down to me and the other one's
Speaker 3: coming these giant boxes.
Speaker 6: Having these giant bags and tactically that's that are icelines, right.
Speaker 3: But I like to throw my stuff around and be
Speaker 3: okay with you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can throw the two times on my backpack
Speaker 6: would be good to talking about what happened in footprints show.
Speaker 3: We have to help to convince how many do we mean? Well,
Speaker 3: how many?
Speaker 6: I mean?
Speaker 3: The problem isn't the amounts. It's not even the quality.
Speaker 6: It's about how how transparent were we when we collected it?
Speaker 6: What would your process urticulation? How legit can go out
Speaker 6: and take how took I've been working with bears. I
Speaker 6: can go find a bear impression, pick my shoe off
Speaker 6: and take it down and make it into a good footprint,
Speaker 6: cast it and go look what I've got. I've found
Speaker 6: a big book. Now you're going to go off my
Speaker 6: credibility on whether it's real or not. That's what we've
Speaker 6: been doing lately. We've been going off people's credibility on
Speaker 6: whether these things are dealing dots the evidence that were presented, right. So,
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that's the biggest problem for the
Speaker 6: science people because you're like, I found all these tasks,
Speaker 6: look at all my trasts. I'm like, do you have
Speaker 6: all the pictures, everything that goes with it to put
Speaker 6: into context so I can see how you found it?
Speaker 6: Did you photograph it before you cast it? And I
Speaker 6: see all these things, and unfortunately, you're right, there may
Speaker 6: be some crap trying a real cast out that someone
Speaker 6: from my side will dismiss because I don't have the
Speaker 6: other information to go with it.
Speaker 3: I have, without a doubt that's stuff exists. It's out
Speaker 3: there without the other stuf. I can't write about it,
Speaker 3: I can't publish it.
Speaker 6: I can't take it to peers and have a peer
Speaker 6: with you because they're going to ask all the same
Speaker 6: questions I wanted to ask originally.
Speaker 3: So that I think that's the big issue. Stop tik
Speaker 3: for more questions, if anybody, if anybody's anymore, Yeah, that's typical.
Speaker 1: All right out.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 6: I can't
Speaker 1: Count I can