Speaker 1: Bill cunning in the Great America. Welcome this Wednesday, and
Speaker 1: in the tri State getting ready for the Bengals on Sunday.
Speaker 1: And we'll see what happens with the Brownies in town
Speaker 1: if they have a two percent chance, and maybe by
Speaker 1: the end of Sunny will have some sense how close
Speaker 1: the Bengals are getting in the playoffs and more. But
Speaker 1: until then, David Yos is the Attorney General of the
Speaker 1: State of Ohio. He walked in the shoes of Mike Dowaine,
Speaker 1: who held the office for eight years, and David Yost
Speaker 1: to welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first
Speaker 1: of all, I read with interest the case called Dad's
Speaker 1: Place in Brian, Ohio kind of out of our jurisdiction,
Speaker 1: but it's illustrative of what civil authorities can do to
Speaker 1: Christian facilities. So can you tell the American people about
Speaker 1: Dad's Place and how you acted to stop out from occurring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is kind of interesting. This is a little
Speaker 2: street front church, and I'm going to tie it into
Speaker 2: Cincinnati at a second, because there is this is an
Speaker 2: important case, but it's a little street front shirt and
Speaker 2: the pastor there keeps it open. Twenty four to seven
Speaker 2: if you can believe that somebody's there twenty four to
Speaker 2: seven all the time, and you can come in there
Speaker 2: off the street, doesn't matter, no questions asked. You know,
Speaker 2: they'll give you food, they'll let you sit in a chair.
Speaker 2: There's no beds or anything. But you know sometimes people
Speaker 2: come in there and the coal winter, they'll sit in
Speaker 2: those chairs all night long. And the city is not
Speaker 2: happy about that. So they sent the building inspectors and
Speaker 2: the zoning inspectors and the fire chief and started citing
Speaker 2: them for you know, every little niggling code violation they
Speaker 2: could find. Well, it's a storefront shirt, it's in an
Speaker 2: old building. It's exactly what you're imagining right now when
Speaker 2: I'm talking about this. And the trouble is, there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of other places in these same kinds of buildings
Speaker 2: that get waivers, basically get a pass on it. In fact,
Speaker 2: there's even a hotel that where people sleep overnight where
Speaker 2: some of these same violations have been you know, overlooked,
Speaker 2: their their their grandfathered in. So the key issue is
Speaker 2: a church definitely has to follow zoning and you know
Speaker 2: building code, safety code violations and all that. Uh, they're
Speaker 2: they're the codes, but you can't treat them worse than
Speaker 2: you treat other businesses. Right. And so we're in court
Speaker 2: right now arguing about it. Where the State of Ohio's
Speaker 2: and amicus uh and UH first liberty I think is
Speaker 2: actually representing uh Dad's place. But the way we got
Speaker 2: an appeals court to issue a stay and UH, we'll
Speaker 2: continue to talk about that. But the reason why I
Speaker 2: think this is important to your listeners. You know, Cincinnati
Speaker 2: is one of our great has one of our great
Speaker 2: Catholic populations, uh in the United States. And I was
Speaker 2: just asked to get involved in a case out of
Speaker 2: Wisconsin that's headed for probably the Supreme Court, where Wisconsin
Speaker 2: is saying, hey, you know, yeah, all that God stuff
Speaker 2: is good. Yeah, you got First Amendment rights on that.
Speaker 2: But if you take it so far as going out
Speaker 2: and trying to do the homeless or you know, feed
Speaker 2: the hungry, you know, that's not religion anymore. That's social
Speaker 2: work and you're not protected. Wow.
Speaker 1: And so in other words, why would the Attorney General
Speaker 1: care about Dad's place in Brian, Ohio? Does it say
Speaker 1: something larger about other difficulties practicing faiths in America? Is
Speaker 1: that the main reason you're doing because I would think
Speaker 1: when Dad's place showed up, here comes the Attorney General
Speaker 1: to Brian Ohio, but the storefront ecumenical church that people
Speaker 1: were saying, what the hell is David Yost doing here?
Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly the point. If the government was allowed
Speaker 2: to tell you what is religious and what's not, that
Speaker 2: you're allowed to preach, but you're not allowed to feed
Speaker 2: the hungry. You know, you can, you know, celebrate the
Speaker 2: Lord's Supper, but you know, we get to talk about
Speaker 2: whether you know you're allowed to house the homeless and
Speaker 2: give them shelter. Then the power to regulate is the
Speaker 2: power to destroy, and we don't have a First Amendment anymore.
Speaker 2: At that point, religion becomes something that you have to
Speaker 2: do in pie private and wash your hands afterward.
Speaker 1: So you're involved in that. Hopefully it'll set a larger
Speaker 1: point on the second issue I want to go over
Speaker 1: with you. And recently, about a week ago, our Governor
Speaker 1: Mike DeWine signed into law a so called bill that
Speaker 1: wasn't shall we say, transgender hospitals and bathrooms. And there's
Speaker 1: two different issues there, and one is a bathroom bill,
Speaker 1: the other one is transgender rights and I just happened.
Speaker 1: In preparation for the interview this afternoon. I went on
Speaker 1: the website this morning of Children's Hospital in Cincinnati, and
Speaker 1: they have a statement right there that we follow Ohio
Speaker 1: law and we do not do puberty blockers. We don't
Speaker 1: do hormonal replacement, we don't do surgeries. Because of a
Speaker 1: law recently passed by the state of Ohio. There was
Speaker 1: some I think regret that Children's Hospital couldn't do it,
Speaker 1: but nonetheless it applies to Cincinnati nationwide. Can you explain
Speaker 1: to the American people as we sit here this Wednesday afternoon,
Speaker 1: what is the law relative to teenage girls fourteen or
Speaker 1: fifteen having double mass sectomies and having hysterectomies, And what
Speaker 1: is the law now but a thirteen year old boy
Speaker 1: having his testicles removed chemically and having his penis removed,
Speaker 1: And what is the law, which I think is the
Speaker 1: whole thing is sick. It's ridiculous, especially when England about
Speaker 1: a week ago said we're out of the business of
Speaker 1: puberty blockers. This Scandinavian country said this isn't working. We've stopped.
Speaker 1: We're in the beginning of this process. So can you
Speaker 1: explain to the American people. We have a great children's
Speaker 1: hospital here, Cincinnati's Children's respective is the best in the
Speaker 1: whole nation. But when it comes to puberty blockers and
Speaker 1: hormonal surgery and double mass sectomies for thirteen year old girls,
Speaker 1: I draw the line. What is the law of Tony
Speaker 1: Bender wants to know.
Speaker 2: Well, the line is about where you would like to
Speaker 2: draw it, Bill, And let me say, I'm glad to
Speaker 2: hear the Cincinnati Children's which was an opponent of this
Speaker 2: law and when it was in the legislature, is publicly
Speaker 2: saying that they want to comply. That good for them.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing. The law now says that if
Speaker 2: you're under eighteen, you can't do anything permanent medically about
Speaker 2: gender transition, quote unquote. That's kind of the top line
Speaker 2: you could still have. You know, you can still go
Speaker 2: to mental health counseling, you can still talk to a pastor,
Speaker 2: you know, so it doesn't reach that. But we're drawing
Speaker 2: the line at things that are going to change your
Speaker 2: body permanently or even potentially permanently. So chemicals and you know,
Speaker 2: endocrine therapy, hormone therapy. Certainly, chopping body parts off is
Speaker 2: no you got to wait till you're eighteen to do that.
Speaker 1: And so if you're twenty or twenty five or nineteen
Speaker 1: or thirty eight, and you have your wits about you
Speaker 1: and you're a woman, you want to double mass sect
Speaker 1: to me hysterectomy. You're a man and you want to
Speaker 1: have your testicles cut off and other body parts removed,
Speaker 1: and you can do that, correct, am I?
Speaker 2: Do I have that right? It's a free country, and
Speaker 2: the legislature has not, you know, attempted to regulate that,
Speaker 2: all right, nor in my view should they. No.
Speaker 1: No, I can't imagine having an argument today that if
Speaker 1: you're a fifteen year old girl and you want a
Speaker 1: double mass sectomy in a hysterectomy because you think you're
Speaker 1: a boy, that somehow society would say, well, that's okay.
Speaker 2: Let me play devil's advocate. Let's say the mom.
Speaker 1: And the dad loved their daughter slash son, and they
Speaker 1: want a live daughter instead of a dead son. That's
Speaker 1: the bumper sticker, which makes sense on the surface, but
Speaker 1: look below, it doesn't make any sense. But let's say
Speaker 1: that the mom and dad say we want this done.
Speaker 1: The treating physician says, this is required for the mental health.
Speaker 1: We got to cut off a penis for mental health.
Speaker 1: And then the hospital says.
Speaker 2: We'll do it.
Speaker 1: Who in the hell is David Yost and the people
Speaker 1: of Ohisa.
Speaker 2: You can't do that. I'll play Devil's advocate. Can you
Speaker 2: answer that question? Yeah, well you know what the answer is,
Speaker 2: because I've heard you get it. We protect children while
Speaker 2: they're developing on all kinds of things. You can't go
Speaker 2: into the military and fidal war when you're sixteen. You
Speaker 2: can't buy beer, alcohol, cigarettes, cannabis. You can't get a
Speaker 2: tattoo without your parents' permission. You can't vote even with
Speaker 2: your parents' permission. And that's because people are under eighteen.
Speaker 2: Plenty over eighteen, but under eighteen you're still growing up.
Speaker 2: You don't make good judgment calls, and you don't know
Speaker 2: who or what you're going to be when you're an adult.
Speaker 2: It's a tumultuous time. And of course the state has
Speaker 2: a right and an obligation in my view, to protect kids.
Speaker 1: Well, that's true, and I point out that what happened
Speaker 1: in Madison, Wisconsin a few days ago. I watched this
Speaker 1: morning on CNN, the fifteen year old girl at a
Speaker 1: firing range shooting ar fifteen's with her father's permission, also
Speaker 1: shooting I think the murder weapon, the nine millimeter, and
Speaker 1: fifteen year old girl who was not transgender but had
Speaker 1: severe mental difficulties, had posted online all kind of weird
Speaker 1: stuff about killing boys and killing men and that women
Speaker 1: have to take over society. Hear idols were two guys
Speaker 1: in the nineteen ninety nine Colmbine that named Harrison Cleebold.
Speaker 1: Those two guys shot up Columbine High School. She was
Speaker 1: wearing paraffine area that celebrated the murder of students. And
Speaker 1: I'm watching this going on, and I'm thinking, well, this
Speaker 1: has happened in Ohio. It happened north of here. It's
Speaker 1: going to happen again. It happened in Butler County where
Speaker 1: a student got off track, got off an emotional never
Speaker 1: never land, and thought it was their duty to kill
Speaker 1: fellow students, or in this case, kill boys and men.
Speaker 1: And so as the attorney general. And also I'm listening
Speaker 1: to the radical left telling us, and we need more laws,
Speaker 1: so we don't we have enough laws on the books.
Speaker 1: I guess carrying guns if you're fifteen years old in
Speaker 1: the school must be legal because they say we need laws.
Speaker 1: As the chief law enforcement officer, can you conjure up
Speaker 1: some law that we could put on the books that
Speaker 1: would stop a mentally troubled, emotionally disturbed fifteen year old
Speaker 1: girl who is posting online nasty things about boys and men. Allegedly,
Speaker 1: at least before it was taken down. The police have
Speaker 1: not confirmed that in Madison, but the posting seems to
Speaker 1: be hers, and that she lived in a dysfunctional house
Speaker 1: in which the the husband and the wife had been
Speaker 1: married to different partners, who was split between two households,
Speaker 1: had every excuse to go off the rails. Is there
Speaker 1: any new law we could pass that would stop this
Speaker 1: from happening ahead of time?
Speaker 2: Until you can figure out how to pass the law
Speaker 2: that cures a human heart that's damaged, I don't know
Speaker 2: how you do that. Honestly, we have laws. You're not
Speaker 2: eight kids, You're not allowed to take guns to school. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's against the law. Let's start there. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, I think it's important, at least
Speaker 2: on this segment where we're talking about kids going off
Speaker 2: the rails in their schools, because they're the ones that
Speaker 2: have the easiest access to the schools. I think it's
Speaker 2: time for us to realize that forgive me the baby
Speaker 2: boomer's libertine approach to life, their hedonistic approach to life,
Speaker 2: where they're treating their children as though they're fully formed adults,
Speaker 2: able to make all of their own decisions, entitled to substantial,
Speaker 2: robust privacy, is a failure. This is not the way
Speaker 2: any society operates throughout history. Parents have an obligation to
Speaker 2: society as well to their as to their own children
Speaker 2: to raise them. And I mean saying, no, you're not
Speaker 2: going to do that. No, you don't get privacy. Give
Speaker 2: me your phone. I'm going to see what you're doing.
Speaker 2: And I just encourage all the people within the sound
Speaker 2: of our voices to not buy into this notion that
Speaker 2: you ought to treat your fifteen year old son or
Speaker 2: daughter the same way you will treat your twenty year
Speaker 2: old son or daughter. There's an eternity between those five years,
Speaker 2: and there's a difference in your legal and moral duties,
Speaker 2: your ethical duties if you dislike the word moral.
Speaker 1: In how you act as David Yost couldn't have said
Speaker 1: it better. And somehow, I think even twenty year old
Speaker 1: men and women are not men and women by the
Speaker 1: true I think a male doesn't develop to the twenty
Speaker 1: five or thirty years old. That's a different issue. Lastly,
Speaker 1: the big issue in Cincinnati right now, you're a big
Speaker 1: wig in Columbus, is is homelessness. I'm looking at an
Speaker 1: order signed on August sixteen, twenty eighteen, State of Ohio
Speaker 1: Extral Joseph Tdaters versus the City of Cincinnati, in which
Speaker 1: we have a terrible homeless problem here that exacerbated itself
Speaker 1: with the burning down of I four seventy one.
Speaker 2: People are going nuts.
Speaker 1: And this order of consent decree says the City Cincinnati
Speaker 1: Police and Health Departments, upon the request for its assistance
Speaker 1: by the Sheriff's Office and other shall remove any existing
Speaker 1: or future encampments on any unlicensed park. Campground does no
Speaker 1: running water or toilet facilities, and other requirements is defined
Speaker 1: by statute. So I'm holding this order which is now
Speaker 1: what about six years six and a half years old,
Speaker 1: that says the City of Cincinnati is ordered to remove
Speaker 1: homeless encampments. And right now, as I speak, there are
Speaker 1: dozens of homeless encampments under bridges and public parks, including
Speaker 1: in Mount Washington, that should not be There is there
Speaker 1: any role for the Attorney general in this.
Speaker 2: Well. I would have to look at the specific laws
Speaker 2: that that order cites to be able to give you
Speaker 2: a definitive legal answer. I'll send it to you. But look,
Speaker 2: but look, this is Cincinnati's issue. And if Cincinnati wants
Speaker 2: to tolerate an administration that ignores a court orders, that
Speaker 2: is a local problem. That is not something where Columbus
Speaker 2: ought to be coming in and dictating to the local town.
Speaker 2: My question is, what the heck's going on down there? Now?
Speaker 2: Where's the prosecutor? Where's the city council? Do you lack
Speaker 2: the courage to do what you've been ordered to do?
Speaker 2: But I really don't think that we want to live
Speaker 2: in a state where Columbus is going to swoop in
Speaker 2: like you know, some kind of Demi god and order
Speaker 2: all the local folks how to run their lives. We
Speaker 2: don't like that when Washington tries to do it to us.
Speaker 2: I'm not really eager to try to do that to
Speaker 2: our local cities. And you know what, I know a
Speaker 2: lot of the people there. I think they're good hearted people,
Speaker 2: they're smart. Don't get this, They'll get this right.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope down the road we actually follow
Speaker 1: the law. But city council acts as if this is
Speaker 1: a brand new problem, it's never existed before, and what
Speaker 1: do we do with homeless And the fact is there's
Speaker 1: an order saying what to do, and they ignore it
Speaker 1: because it's politically inconvenient. David Yost, Attorney General, Merry Christmas,
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, thanks for setting the people straight on
Speaker 1: homelessness and so much more, and thank you for coming
Speaker 1: on the Bill Cunning Embers show and David Yost will
Speaker 1: do it again.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Very Christmas, my train and Christmas,
Speaker 2: let's continue with more.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how when laws are shall we say, non
Speaker 1: political in the sense this is what you must do
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, Liberals and Democrats ignore
Speaker 1: the law when it doesn't fit their political ideology, but
Speaker 1: when it does fit the law, then they go nuts.
Speaker 1: On this case, we have a clear law that says
Speaker 1: they can't do this. They're ordered to remove the homeless
Speaker 1: homeless camps immediately, and they refuse to do so. And
Speaker 1: someone I'm maybe have on another lawyer later on and
Speaker 1: talk about what to do in this case. But this
Speaker 1: is not the way things ought to be. Let's continue
Speaker 1: with more. Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred WLW