Speaker 1: Oh, bread of that sar oh, Hello and welcome to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the
Speaker 2: Cajun Night And today.
Speaker 3: We have on an old homie of ours.
Speaker 2: We haven't talked to him in too damn long, honestly,
Speaker 2: Nick from the Occult Rejects, Brother, how the hell you
Speaker 2: been good?
Speaker 1: Very good? Thank you very much for having me on.
Speaker 4: Man, It's like you said, it's been a minute, but
Speaker 4: always have a good time whenever I came on.
Speaker 2: Absolutely Now, last time we talked it was you and
Speaker 2: Teresa and you said that. Now you have like cycling
Speaker 2: through somewhere between six or seven co hosts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yay.
Speaker 4: There's me, Headless, Giant, Jin the Ninja, Robbie Marx. Then
Speaker 4: we have Jewels from Gray Pilled. I have Judith, she's new.
Speaker 4: She was somebody who was in the oto with me
Speaker 4: when I was in it back in New York.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: I figured it should be a good fit and I
Speaker 4: know it personally. Then I got branded from Maggus in
Speaker 4: the media recently, I have Arrows up and then I
Speaker 4: added Maggus is a.
Speaker 1: Girlfriend Kaiva Rose. And then we have Robbie Marx.
Speaker 4: So I think that it's a decent amount of people,
Speaker 4: so not everybody comes on though at the same time,
Speaker 4: which is one of the reasons why I did it.
Speaker 4: So I don't burnt everybody out because I do. I
Speaker 4: do record a lot, and I can't expect everybody to
Speaker 4: always show up. I can recycle. Some people are better
Speaker 4: for during the day, yeah, at night, you know, and
Speaker 4: just different topics.
Speaker 1: I better with different people.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So real quick, for those that don't know, you
Speaker 2: had mentioned that you were a member of the OTO
Speaker 2: in New York, and now you brought on. Now this
Speaker 2: friend of yours, is she still in the OTO or
Speaker 2: she stepped away from it?
Speaker 4: Like you know, yeah, you know what's funny when I
Speaker 4: had stepped away pretty much anybody in the order except
Speaker 4: for like maybe three guys that I was pretty close
Speaker 4: to that were also kind of frustrated and verbalized like
Speaker 4: pretty much the same issues I had to me over
Speaker 4: the phone or through text. I kept in touch with them,
Speaker 4: but besides that, everybody else I pretty much ghosted good.
Speaker 1: I was just like, it's just.
Speaker 4: Weird, yeah, And she was one of them, even though
Speaker 4: like she didn't seem like, you know, like a weirdo.
Speaker 4: She seems pretty cool and pretty normal. I just wasn't
Speaker 4: sure where her head was at and with everything going on,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna keep it real with COVID and George Floyd.
Speaker 1: She was she was black, So I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, who knows? You know? With who knows?
Speaker 4: She's triggered and controlled by the TV right now, I
Speaker 4: don't know what's going on. But long story short, I
Speaker 4: reached out to her not too long ago because.
Speaker 1: I was just like thinking about it. I was like, wonder,
Speaker 1: how the hell she's doing.
Speaker 4: I was talking to my one friend who left the
Speaker 4: OTO as well, and I asked him me, have you
Speaker 4: spoken to Judith or anybody? And he's like no, He's
Speaker 4: like I thought about reaching out to I was like
Speaker 4: me too, because me and him even did like two
Speaker 4: initiations with him, like I did my first and second
Speaker 4: initiation with that woman as well with my friend Jordan.
Speaker 4: Really yeah yeah, and uh so I hit her up
Speaker 4: and she was like, yo, you just she literally said,
Speaker 4: She's like, yo, you ghosted. She's like, what the fuck
Speaker 4: happened to you? I said, I don't know, I said.
Speaker 4: I started getting weird vibes from the OTO and all
Speaker 4: that shit that was going on. Politically in COVID, I just,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of got weirded out. And she was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I guess the same reason I left. I was like,
Speaker 4: oh you did. She's like getting around the same time.
Speaker 4: She's like yeah, she's like, shit just did not make sense.
Speaker 4: And she even noticed that they started kind of pushing,
Speaker 4: like heavily pushing far left ideology. Yeah, and they got
Speaker 4: crazy with like the vaccination shit.
Speaker 2: So to most people that are in into occult magic
Speaker 2: and things like that are probably going to be more
Speaker 2: liberal mindset. I'm not trying to be that guy, but
Speaker 2: you're right, I'm throwing it out. I'm throwing it.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: No, I don't mean just like you know, the white
Speaker 2: woman with some crystals and some some tarot cards, that
Speaker 2: they could run the gambit on that one.
Speaker 3: Specifically, the people.
Speaker 2: That are going to go to the length of joining Oto,
Speaker 2: they more often than not have a certain political ideology.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's unfair to say.
Speaker 1: No, I would agree with that, especially from my experience there.
Speaker 4: I'd be totally honest with you, even when I was
Speaker 4: never really heavily into politics at all, Like, even when
Speaker 4: I was there, I couldn't have told you like what
Speaker 4: a far right person was or a far left person
Speaker 4: really was, until certain things started getting like I guess
Speaker 4: somehow coming into the OTO and started seeing people's like
Speaker 4: certain like.
Speaker 1: I you know, their their opinions.
Speaker 4: I did notice that people that were fall left all
Speaker 4: did kind of exhibit a start you know, it was
Speaker 4: a lot, yeah, and kind of exhibited the same behavior
Speaker 4: and the same you know, they looked the same or whatever.
Speaker 2: So for those that may not know, who may not
Speaker 2: have heard you before your background in the OTO, right,
Speaker 2: what is the OTO, I know it's Ordo Templi Orientis.
Speaker 2: But for those that may not know, and in kind
Speaker 2: of what that organization's about, if you can give the
Speaker 2: brief synopsis, if you will.
Speaker 1: Basically, it was an Freemasons.
Speaker 4: A couple of Freemasons had started it originally, and in
Speaker 4: my opinion, it was to be much more of like
Speaker 4: a Rosicrucion kind of magical order. And they was around
Speaker 4: for a few years, and then eventually they had came
Speaker 4: across Alista Crowley's Book of the Law, and this is
Speaker 4: the supposed story, and they thought that he was like
Speaker 4: pretty much like telling their secrets or whatever, giving up
Speaker 4: the mysteries their mysteries in his book, and he was like,
Speaker 4: I have no idea who you people law something to
Speaker 4: that extent, And eventually they met up, they spoke to
Speaker 4: each other, and they ended up giving it over to him,
Speaker 4: and he changed some of the I guess, like initiations.
Speaker 4: Instead of how many they normally have, which would be
Speaker 4: a lot the Masons, he knocked it down to thirteen,
Speaker 4: which would be twelve with a minerval.
Speaker 1: The minerval is.
Speaker 4: Like the first one you'll take that's like half in,
Speaker 4: half out, and not a full member, but it allows
Speaker 4: you to go to close the meetings.
Speaker 1: He did that, and then.
Speaker 4: He also changed it over to kind of like go
Speaker 4: with the Book of the Law I guess would be
Speaker 4: like its holy book. And then you know, so that's
Speaker 4: how it pretty much got changed and he took it over.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I will say it wasn't founded by Crowley. However,
Speaker 2: Crowley absolutely left his mark on Oto and he split
Speaker 2: off and started the Lima off of Oto, if I'm
Speaker 2: not mistaken correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Oteo got changed over to like the Thlemic. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: when he took when he took it over, that it
Speaker 4: was given the whole Thelemic overview.
Speaker 2: Which is basically sex, magic and drugs a lot of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, going by what he did, Yeah, it
Speaker 4: sounds like.
Speaker 5: How does somebody like get into this, Like how did
Speaker 5: you get into this? Like did you just say some
Speaker 5: upon somebody and they just were like, hey, this is
Speaker 5: something I.
Speaker 1: Want to looking for this shit.
Speaker 4: I was starting to get into ceremonial magic myself. I
Speaker 4: was reading books, I watched a few videos on YouTube
Speaker 4: to see how to do certain things, and I kind
Speaker 4: of wanted to get involved into something that was a
Speaker 4: little bit more regimented, kind of something that like, uh,
Speaker 4: I guess like Wicka wasn't so much for me because
Speaker 4: I felt like people just make shit up by like
Speaker 4: I get results, you know, like they're gonna spin around
Speaker 4: with the crystal in the hand and throw lavender over
Speaker 4: their shoulder and they think they did something.
Speaker 1: You know, I really just don't buy all that.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to get into sometimes like you know,
Speaker 4: kind of maybe, like I guess, more regimented and structured.
Speaker 4: And in these orders, especially like the oto of the
Speaker 4: Golden Doorn, certain things are like did on like either
Speaker 4: the ritual or the writing that was put out. Some
Speaker 4: of them will even like kind of say like this
Speaker 4: is done this way because it's been proved the results,
Speaker 4: so like this is you know, we're gonna stick with
Speaker 4: this because it's worked before. So I wanted to kind
Speaker 4: of go with something a little bit like that. I
Speaker 4: started looking up places. But I had asked actually at
Speaker 4: first I had asked somebody that I knew that was
Speaker 4: a Freemason and in the OTO, because I again the
Speaker 4: OTO actually wasn't my first choice. I had asked him
Speaker 4: like what he thought, and I was like, what about
Speaker 4: the Freemasons. He's like, no, He's like, because you'll have
Speaker 4: to stay there forever before you could even get the
Speaker 4: ritual magic. He's like, you're gonna want an order that
Speaker 4: like starts it off, you know, That's what it's about.
Speaker 1: He suggested, like the Martinists, which there was none near me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Dawn, which I was a little bit more
Speaker 4: actually interested in and kind of what was much more
Speaker 4: of my speed.
Speaker 2: They got more of a history to him, that's for sure,
Speaker 2: and a lot of big names were associated with them
Speaker 2: in the eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, plus like they're just their imagery too.
Speaker 4: I guess was a little bit easier coming from somebody
Speaker 4: with like a Christian a Catholic background, you know, just
Speaker 4: to me, they looked a little bit more friendlier, that's fair.
Speaker 1: And then the OTO there was so there wasn't that
Speaker 1: I knew of.
Speaker 4: There was an there was a Golden dorm lodge on
Speaker 4: the Long Island that I guess, you know, just wasn't
Speaker 4: real easy to find online. So I did miss out
Speaker 4: on that because I found out after the fact from
Speaker 4: somebody being on my show. But uh, there's an OTO
Speaker 4: lodge that was like twenty minutes away. And I was like, well,
Speaker 4: that's pretty fucking convenient. I was living in Queens and
Speaker 4: it was in Queens. Yeah, I was like all right,
Speaker 4: but like literally I was just like googling online, like.
Speaker 6: I'm just going to ask. I was like, you just
Speaker 6: googled it.
Speaker 5: I've never actually like where places are, but I'm like,
Speaker 5: quick little Google search hates down the street.
Speaker 1: A lot of them. I see.
Speaker 4: This is the thing, Like the OTO, they'll have their
Speaker 4: they have their own major like website, website, and you
Speaker 4: could look it up and it will tell you where
Speaker 4: all their lodges are. Like they don't hide that shit.
Speaker 4: That's not part of the mysteries of the secrets you
Speaker 4: know where they are. These things have rent. I'm sure
Speaker 4: they want some people coming into pay rent with.
Speaker 3: The We have a large one in New Orleans. Actually, no,
Speaker 3: I bet.
Speaker 5: What's the thirteenth step? You said twelve? You said thirteen,
Speaker 5: twelve s half in and.
Speaker 1: Then Okay, they're teen initiations.
Speaker 4: The first one's minerval and that's like kind of like
Speaker 4: half a member and half now like allows you to
Speaker 4: go to closed meetings, but it doesn't mean that you're
Speaker 4: actually a full initiate into the your Then there's twelve
Speaker 4: other degrees after that, or initiations that you could take after.
Speaker 6: So what level did you get to?
Speaker 1: Asking the second degree after minerval?
Speaker 3: Okay, so you were associated with the Believe it or
Speaker 3: not as low as that sounds.
Speaker 4: That's like not top twenty percent of the OTO or
Speaker 4: top twenty something percent in the OTO is actually second
Speaker 4: degree higher?
Speaker 1: Shows you how many firsts the minervals there is. It's
Speaker 1: pretty sad.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that being said, you were associated with the
Speaker 3: organization for how long?
Speaker 4: Probably about five or six years, because I mean, you
Speaker 4: don't there's a time limit too.
Speaker 1: In between these initiations.
Speaker 4: You can't just keep taking them, and people have to
Speaker 4: Actually you have to get two people to sign off
Speaker 4: saying that they think that you're you're even mentally okay
Speaker 4: to do it, like they trust you.
Speaker 1: They don't think like you're fucking nuts.
Speaker 2: That's the thing when you look at like these top
Speaker 2: rank individuals, these are people that have been associated with
Speaker 2: the organization for forty fifty years.
Speaker 1: In some cases, there's some.
Speaker 4: People there that were probably there for like at least
Speaker 4: twenty bore sure, sure, wow.
Speaker 5: So what did you If you don't, I don't know
Speaker 5: if you want to talk about it, he's.
Speaker 1: The open book anything.
Speaker 5: Well, what did you What did you do to be
Speaker 5: able to get to the second tier?
Speaker 6: Like what was your actual ritual that you had to do?
Speaker 1: Uh? The maneuval. I'm trying to think if that was
Speaker 1: a I think it was the first one manerval.
Speaker 4: Really it was just uh that one, you mean, like
Speaker 4: the initiation, nothing too crazy. Trying to think which one
Speaker 4: it was. I think it was the first degree. I
Speaker 4: will say, yeah, the first the manerval you kind of just.
Speaker 1: Like walk in.
Speaker 4: You act like they act like you're kind of like
Speaker 4: strolling through I think the Middle East.
Speaker 1: You had them to Heliopolis.
Speaker 4: There's a big tent in the room that they kind
Speaker 4: of like fucking totally ignore, and I actually think it's
Speaker 4: like the optic nerve in your eye.
Speaker 1: But that's a whole other discussion.
Speaker 4: Uh, But there's you basically like split off, You walk around,
Speaker 4: you run into people. It's a lot of fucking shit that, honestly,
Speaker 4: I don't even remember what the fuck they're even saying.
Speaker 1: You can find a book called the Secret Rituals of.
Speaker 4: The Oto and you'll find the first few degrees in
Speaker 4: there if you want to find it. It's a PDF,
Speaker 4: and it's pretty on point, but like the first degree
Speaker 4: is the minerval degree is nothing like really crazy. They will,
Speaker 4: like I said, you'll start off with the rooms like
Speaker 4: half cut and you're acting like that. These guards I
Speaker 4: think I kind of capted you, like as you're crossing
Speaker 4: or coming through, and they're telling you about the Book
Speaker 4: of the Law, and if you want to join their shit,
Speaker 4: or if you seem interested, then at some point in
Speaker 4: the other part of the room they bring it in and.
Speaker 1: Then you sit down and you eat your shit.
Speaker 4: You eat these little berries and nuts that they got,
Speaker 4: and they tell you to read the Book of the Laws.
Speaker 4: People are playing fucking instruments back there, and then they're
Speaker 4: probably doing that to the other person because they do
Speaker 4: like they do, you know, one person after the.
Speaker 1: Next, and then after that like you kind.
Speaker 4: Of just you know whatever, you become a brother. Well
Speaker 4: well they that's really not until first degree, but my
Speaker 4: lodge is already calling your brother or sister.
Speaker 1: Nothing crazy.
Speaker 4: The first degree, I will say, if you want to
Speaker 4: complete that one, you're gonna have to get naked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah I had.
Speaker 4: To, And I knew that was coming before I even
Speaker 4: took it, because again I read that book, The Secret
Speaker 4: Rituals of the Udeo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's basically as far as the initiate level,
Speaker 2: it's you know a little bit of a song and dance,
Speaker 2: a little bit of a parading around for a certain thing,
Speaker 2: and then probably a swearing of some oaths.
Speaker 1: Right oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, look try. The fact
Speaker 1: I wasn't even supposed to tell you what happened is, now.
Speaker 2: Did they make you do the Masonic thing where it's
Speaker 2: if you ever speak of it, they'll cut you from there?
Speaker 3: To hear employers like.
Speaker 4: The fucking dogs of the Abyss, I gonna drag you
Speaker 4: out all those crazy theatrical shit, right, that's hones say,
Speaker 4: I'll be totally honest with you my opinion.
Speaker 1: Whatever they're saying.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, that's what the experience of magic is,
Speaker 4: and that's why I'm here. So I don't know why
Speaker 4: you're threatened me with that. That's what I'm trying to
Speaker 4: get to. So uh but yeah, yeah, no, they do that.
Speaker 4: They'll do they give you every degree. They'll give you
Speaker 4: like uh, there'll be like a handshake or grip. There'll
Speaker 4: be also a word. There'll be a word for every
Speaker 4: degree as far as I know. And then there's like
Speaker 4: these like type of movements of things that you that
Speaker 4: you can do. So yeah, yeah, there's like you know,
Speaker 4: so that that is done, then you're supposed to swear
Speaker 4: not to repeat it like I said.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, the first one, like I said, you
Speaker 1: will the one thing and the only way I.
Speaker 4: Was able to do it, and it is because I
Speaker 4: had two other people that like spoke to me about
Speaker 4: it that were not in my lodge.
Speaker 1: It was people that I knew from other lodges. It's
Speaker 1: all I have.
Speaker 4: I already read the book. So it says listen, I
Speaker 4: already know the deal. You gotta get fucking naked.
Speaker 6: And I was like, you got naked or just like
Speaker 6: you do you more?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: No, well no, no, that well, I'll explain, I'll explain
Speaker 4: what happens, but nothing crazy goes on with that.
Speaker 5: Well besides, I was like, okay, we got naked. I
Speaker 5: was like, well now why.
Speaker 4: So so uh I As I'm reading the thing, I'm
Speaker 4: trying to visual what's going on, and it does seem
Speaker 4: to be that there was only like one candlelight in
Speaker 4: the whole, like you know, temporaria.
Speaker 1: And that's the case.
Speaker 4: And I could say, like, after you do like I
Speaker 4: said before, after you do your initiation, you will sit
Speaker 4: down with the people that are there now. Anybody who's
Speaker 4: done the minerval can show up. Anybody who's done first
Speaker 4: degree can show up, anybody who's done second degree and
Speaker 4: so on. Those people will welcome back to watch other
Speaker 4: people do it. So there will be some people there
Speaker 4: you only saw, like the silhouettes, like I swear to God,
Speaker 4: like even when my friend Jordan or Judith went, I
Speaker 4: couldn't tell you I didn't see a nipple or a dick.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying get it straight. I didn't
Speaker 4: see anything of that as just silhouettes. The people that
Speaker 4: I'm sure are doing the initiation and holding the fucking candle.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it is getting a show, but the people
Speaker 4: sitting down you can't see anything.
Speaker 1: So that actually was enough for me to be like,
Speaker 1: all right, I think you can pull this fucking off.
Speaker 1: So uh I did do that. They will. There is
Speaker 1: some part where.
Speaker 4: They do show that like they're kind of like cutting cord,
Speaker 4: like a kind of cutting a cord off of you.
Speaker 4: Just the thing is is that, like looking at it now,
Speaker 4: it kind of does look like they're walking here around
Speaker 4: like a fucking dog with like a thing around around
Speaker 4: you and pulling you as you walk around the lodge naked,
Speaker 4: you know. So it is like, I guess which way
Speaker 4: you want to look at it. It could be humiliating
Speaker 4: in a sense, you know. I I didn't really think
Speaker 4: of that until like I was like thinking about, like
Speaker 4: what did that actually look like?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, Like those were kind of
Speaker 1: fucking pathetic humiliate So uh yeah, that one.
Speaker 4: You know what, this is the one thing too that
Speaker 4: even maybe kind of stop going in the first, you know,
Speaker 4: the first ones that he did maneval first and second
Speaker 4: they will straight up tell you each one of them.
Speaker 4: The first time they're like, basically, don't trust anybody except yourself.
Speaker 4: Then then the first degree they'll really idiot, they'll reiterate
Speaker 4: that again and like they like it's near the end and.
Speaker 7: It's like they like say it to where it's just
Speaker 7: like you like, I don't know for me how you
Speaker 7: did not remember they said it that the last one
Speaker 7: like that, And then in the second degree, they're even
Speaker 7: telling you you should not like trust like your surroundings
Speaker 7: or the other people around you, your brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: They even make you go through some.
Speaker 4: Shit to prove this, to say you shouldn't trust your
Speaker 4: brothers and sisters and you shouldn't even trust everything you
Speaker 4: know as everything as it seems, you should only trust yourself.
Speaker 4: So I was even like, that's three fucking times now
Speaker 4: you've told me this in a row.
Speaker 6: That's weird.
Speaker 1: Why the fuck am I coming back right?
Speaker 6: That's weird?
Speaker 5: Do you think they would want to like brainwash you
Speaker 5: into thinking like you should only trust the people around
Speaker 5: you period, and like everyone else is just fucked up
Speaker 5: and this is what you need, is these group of people.
Speaker 3: That's how cults usually works.
Speaker 6: That's really strange why they don't trust somebody.
Speaker 4: I wonder if it's just like, yo, we just told
Speaker 4: you three times in a row, our hands are clean.
Speaker 1: Now you keep fucking going. This is on your own
Speaker 1: fucking problem.
Speaker 5: M It makes a lot more sense. Yeah, what was
Speaker 5: the thing that we were talking about earlier today about
Speaker 5: if they tell us in their face, then they will
Speaker 5: be able to make.
Speaker 3: Karmack balance bullshit?
Speaker 2: Which, for the record, I don't agree with karma likes
Speaker 2: in the raw form of Yeah, if you do good shit,
Speaker 2: good shit happens to you.
Speaker 3: Find sure, of course. But the whole conversation about how this.
Speaker 2: Ties back to the Vedics and the karmak system is
Speaker 2: what also gave them the cast system where the untouchables
Speaker 2: were lower than animals. But that's all okay for karma somehow,
Speaker 2: if you do good to others, then you'll have good
Speaker 2: things happen to you, unless it's to the untouchables, then
Speaker 2: fuck them and you'll still have good things happening. It's like,
Speaker 2: so your whole karma thing is bullshit, start to finish
Speaker 2: by the Vedic law.
Speaker 3: But okay, but it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that I finally had to explain to me in
Speaker 2: a way that made sense. It's like, uh, when you
Speaker 2: are going out with your friends in high school and
Speaker 2: you' allre going to go sit in the woods somewhere
Speaker 2: and get shit faced and smoke weed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, behind the malls shit you know, all right, and.
Speaker 2: It's your turn to provide the libations, right, And so
Speaker 2: you're walking out of the house like eight thirty at
Speaker 2: night with your booksack on a Saturday, and your mom's like, well,
Speaker 2: what are you doing or what's in the bag? Well,
Speaker 2: a bunch of liquor and weed, you know, and your
Speaker 2: mom's like, okay, whatever, have fun. And then if you
Speaker 2: ever get caught, you'd be like, mom, I told you
Speaker 2: what was in the bag.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought you were joking.
Speaker 1: I told you what was in the bag, mom.
Speaker 2: So it's like that, as far as the Carmick balance,
Speaker 2: they're doing things in plain sight because it's so ridiculous
Speaker 2: and so audacious, there's no way people actually believe it.
Speaker 2: When I heard it finally explain like that, it's like,
Speaker 2: okay that I could see them doing.
Speaker 3: They're ballsy. They're very ballsy.
Speaker 4: It makes fun, Like what happened in the second and
Speaker 4: I'll explain it and the you know, for real, for real,
Speaker 4: the one time I did COVID with the initiations that much. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: there's a chick in the lodge that it used to
Speaker 4: be cool with that actually is a lawyer for the OTO.
Speaker 4: She took my shit down on spreaker, rumble bit, shoot
Speaker 4: and everything. Oh so, like you might, yeah, they have
Speaker 4: been watching me now. I do know that for a fact,
Speaker 4: because I've had a lot of people associated with the
Speaker 4: OTO on my show.
Speaker 1: So but I'll keep going into it.
Speaker 4: But in the second degree, there's a point where there's
Speaker 4: like it's like a makeshift chacouzzie.
Speaker 1: It's like this big tub.
Speaker 4: That that that they kind of like put together and
Speaker 4: made it didn'tly was impressive, It was impressive. And uh,
Speaker 4: it's in the middle of the thing. And at some
Speaker 4: point they ask you to go up to it, and
Speaker 4: you I had a female and a male with me.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it has to be like that
Speaker 4: all the time. You know, it's say brothers and sister,
Speaker 4: but they're walking up to it with me, and then
Speaker 4: I am told to like try to lean in to
Speaker 4: the uh into the tub to get a drink of
Speaker 4: work or to quench my thirst or something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't think they say water.
Speaker 4: And like I'm like listening to them as they're saying,
Speaker 4: like how to do it, and I'm picturing it in
Speaker 4: my head. And then I even said, like, all right,
Speaker 4: repeat that again, excuse me something like that, and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: that's almost physically impossible. Like I'm like picturing like a
Speaker 4: bird trying to drink out of a bird feeder, like
Speaker 4: upside down the backwards.
Speaker 1: I was just like, yo, That'm like I'm thinking in my.
Speaker 4: Head, I'm like I'm probably gonna fall in, or they're
Speaker 4: gonna push me in.
Speaker 1: And that's what they do.
Speaker 4: The two next to you push you in the moral
Speaker 4: of that story when you get out and don't trust
Speaker 4: your brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: So then and then there's another thing where they put
Speaker 1: this a piece.
Speaker 4: Of wood that like at the top has like a
Speaker 4: screw with like a hole in it where you could
Speaker 4: put your thumb through it and screw it down. But
Speaker 4: on the bottom there's like a little fucking hole. So
Speaker 4: like they're saying, like, put your thumb in there, and
Speaker 4: then turned the screw down as far as you can
Speaker 4: to show your dedication to horse. So I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, Like I didn't put it to it like
Speaker 4: hurt right, just you know, figured i'd go with the
Speaker 4: whole thing. I actually didn't. I guess I skimmed through it.
Speaker 4: Well maybe I knew and I didn't want to make
Speaker 4: it look too obvious. But like you you go through that,
Speaker 4: and then they're like, see, they're like, now if you
Speaker 4: you know whatever, they showed you the bottom of the thing.
Speaker 4: They're like, you could have stuck your thumb in there
Speaker 4: and then twisted the screw all the way down. You
Speaker 4: went and felt the thing, and that was like not
Speaker 4: everything is as it seems.
Speaker 5: Like they really want you to be, like you think
Speaker 5: they would want you to be more trusting of everyone around.
Speaker 3: You once you're looking out for number one, Yeah, that's odd.
Speaker 4: Then that after you do initiations, they will have like
Speaker 4: a class. Normally they try to do it within like
Speaker 4: the month after it happened, within that month to.
Speaker 1: Kind of go over like a little bit about like what.
Speaker 4: Was going on and like you know what you could
Speaker 4: maybe take out of that blah blah blah. And sometimes
Speaker 4: they normally try to have the people who ran the
Speaker 4: initiation too. At the end of the second one, they
Speaker 4: start like letting you know, like different things that you
Speaker 4: could do at different degrees that would be like a
Speaker 4: service or or qualifications. And as you started getting up.
Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly which one it was, it was
Speaker 4: like maybe six or seven around there. I'm almost positive
Speaker 4: the way they worded it that like even the person
Speaker 4: that you were with might have had to have eventually
Speaker 4: like joined the beat a member. And I was already like,
Speaker 4: that's not gonna work with my wife at the time.
Speaker 1: Was my wife?
Speaker 4: I was like, because another thing in the gnostic mass
Speaker 4: titties come out.
Speaker 1: I was like, she shows up.
Speaker 4: And sees fucking titties, she's gonna be dragging me the
Speaker 4: fuck out of there, right, the idea that that ship
Speaker 4: was going on, I mean, I did ask you to come,
Speaker 4: she never came, you know, so I'm sure if she
Speaker 4: saw what the fuck.
Speaker 1: So that was one that I was like, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a hard cell.
Speaker 4: So like I was already realizing, Plus I knew that
Speaker 4: the place wasn't gonna be for me. What blew my
Speaker 4: fucking mard is when they got to the eighth they
Speaker 4: got to the eighth degree, you will be signing over
Speaker 4: your ship to the fucking launch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to the order.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, well, now it's a fucking cold yep.
Speaker 4: And then the tenth degree gets to fucking split it all.
Speaker 5: So you sign all your personal belongings over on the
Speaker 5: eighth and then the tenth will split your personal belongings.
Speaker 1: Like everybody supposedly gets split between everybody. That's that.
Speaker 4: That is what I've been told on my show. I
Speaker 4: had somebody on my show who was a tenth degree person.
Speaker 4: I'm not knocking to good guess they said that they
Speaker 4: were X. Somebody else who was on my show that
Speaker 4: was like kind of around it the you know, around
Speaker 4: the time of even the lodge that I used to
Speaker 4: go to opening up said they highly doubt that he
Speaker 4: stopped that tenth degree because if you did, that means
Speaker 4: you had to give up everything that everybody gave you
Speaker 4: from the eighth degree, he says, because everybody in the
Speaker 4: tenth degree get gets gets their hands in that. So
Speaker 4: long story short, yeah, I'm going by what somebody told me,
Speaker 4: and if that's sure, I do have to question why
Speaker 4: would you do that? I would think by the tenth degree,
Speaker 4: if you've made it that high up. You're kind of
Speaker 4: stuck there now or you're going to lose a lot financially.
Speaker 3: Right, So what's the highest degree you ever met, like personally.
Speaker 1: Personally like in person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like maybe fifth, So like your lodge
Speaker 4: leader show tenth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the leader of your lodge whoa one of
Speaker 3: the people there?
Speaker 1: Yes? Was I think that high up? Wow?
Speaker 3: So we're not even talking up to the thirteenth.
Speaker 5: I wonder how many thirteenth There are very few, very
Speaker 5: very small. Probably only a handful. Yeah, I never really
Speaker 5: understood the cult thing.
Speaker 1: It may only be like I want to tell you
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe yeah, because I think like even at tenth,
Speaker 4: I think there's only a handful.
Speaker 2: Because OTO is not exactly a large organization. They are
Speaker 2: all over like they're they're all over the world.
Speaker 4: You're right up, bro, tell you the truth my show.
Speaker 4: So definitely your show has more listeners in that border
Speaker 4: has fucking members. Oh, I believe that I could influence that.
Speaker 4: I can influence you a cold community fucking faster than
Speaker 4: they can if I wanted to.
Speaker 2: So the lodge in New Orleans, it's been so long
Speaker 2: since I even like two thousand members.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like twenty even if I'll give him twenty.
Speaker 5: Thousands, because my uncle hasn't somehow stumbled upon this. My
Speaker 5: uncle's actually was I don't know if he still is.
Speaker 5: He was wicked for a long time, so I'm just
Speaker 5: I wonder.
Speaker 2: But the Wickings that wouldn't get down with Oto because
Speaker 2: this is the way to regiment to Wickeds are more
Speaker 2: eclectic and.
Speaker 6: Free from Yeah, that's that's fair. He's definitely more.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. Wicka came from them.
Speaker 4: I believe that Nyl Gardner was a student of Alsta
Speaker 4: Crowley and he was even given a charter to open
Speaker 4: up his own watch.
Speaker 1: And he's like Noah instead, huh.
Speaker 6: I know that my uncle is.
Speaker 4: Part of the Goddess is almost Book of the Law
Speaker 4: and somebody other. It's like three other people just mixed together.
Speaker 4: You could definitely see that he took ship from Croly's
Speaker 4: Book of the Law for charge of the Goddess. Fucking believe.
Speaker 5: That's interesting. I know that he's read all he I
Speaker 5: don't know what he's I need.
Speaker 3: To call plagiarism and forgery, but I.
Speaker 6: Knew that he was. He was in that for all years, so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe it all those new neo people that
Speaker 4: we know, like you know, Kroley and Blovotsky and just like.
Speaker 3: Such a charlatan that it's not even funny.
Speaker 4: And people all regurgitated other people's ship that that people
Speaker 4: didn't know about.
Speaker 1: That's all he did, right, give it on to something.
Speaker 4: But they regurgitated a lot of people from the fifteenth
Speaker 4: and sixteenth century.
Speaker 2: Right from the actual Enlightenment period, where people will actually
Speaker 2: this is the first time you're hurt. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's like this is the first time that Europeans
Speaker 2: had ever heard this shit ever. And then a couple
Speaker 2: hundred years later people kind of forget about that. Blavotsky
Speaker 2: goes out east and meets especially America, right, goes and
Speaker 2: meets some sort of enlightened master with some sort of
Speaker 2: a title that doesn't actually exist with a reshet or
Speaker 2: something like that, comes back and tells them all these
Speaker 2: things that she saw in the astral and.
Speaker 3: These people are like, she's so enlightened. No, it's called
Speaker 3: being a fraud, but like, sure, we should get down heavy.
Speaker 5: But you can make up anything, and as long as
Speaker 5: you have enough confidence in yourself, you can convince at
Speaker 5: least like if you're talking about ten people.
Speaker 6: You could at least convince no shit three out of ten.
Speaker 5: If you have enough confidence and you portray that you
Speaker 5: believe this one hundred percent, you can get people.
Speaker 4: Oh you act like, yeah, you're right. If you act,
Speaker 4: you'll get You'll get at least a third. I get
Speaker 4: it to you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean really good. You'll get more than that.
Speaker 5: Oh, normally you probably get more than that. But uh,
Speaker 5: you know, we're just talking on like the low ball end.
Speaker 5: But I and it's pretty easy. If you say it
Speaker 5: enough times and you repeat the same key phrases enough
Speaker 5: times to people, and you have enough confidence, they're going
Speaker 5: to continuously hear it on repeat if you do it
Speaker 5: over and over again, and it sinks into their subconscious
Speaker 5: and so then they want to join a cult that
Speaker 5: you've somehow created.
Speaker 6: And you're just like, you know what, come on, join
Speaker 6: my cult. It's great. I low key kind of want
Speaker 6: to start a cult just for the hell of it.
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Christ, we already have one, right there, you go.
Speaker 6: I mean we technically do. I guess.
Speaker 1: But did you hear the Ranchi occult?
Speaker 6: I've heard of it, don't know much the name, but
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Actually, fun fact that actually came from the Kellogg's family. Really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kellogg's niece was supposedly like the chick who transcribed.
Speaker 4: There's always just like Crowley, I mean, I keep it real,
Speaker 4: like a lot of actual religions too, there's always some channel.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking to some higher being. Supposedly was
Speaker 4: like the scribe for the guy who got there the
Speaker 4: Ranchia book and that turned into a cult. And they
Speaker 4: also own Celestial Seasoning Tea.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I saw a guy talk about this on Instagram.
Speaker 5: They do that does all the breakdowns of companies. I
Speaker 5: saw that on Yeah, they all own different parts of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, family was crazy to be given.
Speaker 2: Bro, you know how cornflakes became a cereal crazy motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this dude wanted to keep boys from masturbating.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I actually don't know this story.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'll give you a quick little history.
Speaker 2: Let's here we go old Granddaddy Calog who also ran
Speaker 2: ah like I don't want to say a mental asylum, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called a center sanatorium.
Speaker 2: Yes, he own a sanatorium, and he truly believed that
Speaker 2: people touching themselves, but specifically men because women if they masturbate,
Speaker 2: clearly they need to be put in the solum right, clearly,
Speaker 2: obviously these women a lot, right, And so this dude
Speaker 2: Kellogg decided, do you know when to do?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: It's gonna keep these boys from touching their own dicks
Speaker 2: and excreting this fucking demon Salman out of them. We
Speaker 2: need to make the blandest, most boringest cereal ever on earth,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna sell that to the masses, and we're
Speaker 2: gonna market it like it's the cool, new hip thing.
Speaker 2: In reality, it is as boring as you could possibly
Speaker 2: make it. And this is gonna keep boys from masturbating.
Speaker 2: This is clearly gonna work.
Speaker 6: Obviously full I really, they didn't put drugs in it.
Speaker 2: No, And if you question this story, any good cult
Speaker 2: member out there, please look it up. This is absolutely, historically,
Speaker 2: factually why corn flakes became a thing.
Speaker 4: He was even weird with how many times you were
Speaker 4: supposed to chew calledmestication. Yeah, like supposed to chew a
Speaker 4: certain amount of times before you even swallowed.
Speaker 2: He thought more than three choes for a bite of
Speaker 2: of not even frost of flakes, excuse me, the frosting
Speaker 2: that would have he would.
Speaker 3: There, Yeah, because he's like, hey, why don't we throw
Speaker 3: sugar on this ship. He's like, that's a really bad idea.
Speaker 1: The demons will get them whatever.
Speaker 2: He basically thought that if you have to chew corn
Speaker 2: flakes more than three times, then like you're just trying
Speaker 2: to hide your need to masturbate.
Speaker 3: He's retarded.
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's actually real.
Speaker 3: Just thought I was joking.
Speaker 6: I had to google it just to just to be sure.
Speaker 4: I'm almost positive if you google it, if you google this,
Speaker 4: I'm almost positive this is. He circumcised himself on wedding nights.
Speaker 1: Yes, he did.
Speaker 5: He believed that sex and masturbation were unhealthy for the
Speaker 5: mind and body, creating corn flakes as a decidedly plain
Speaker 5: meal to prevent masturbation, advocated for yogurt enemas to prevent
Speaker 5: people from pleasuring themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because again, you know, it's gonna make a dude
Speaker 2: not want to stroke his dick.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what are we talking about?
Speaker 5: You know what, We're gonna have to make the stick
Speaker 5: your butt stuff because you know what, yog with corn
Speaker 5: flakes and yoga. I'm gonna have you eaten bowl corn
Speaker 5: flakes and I'll have like a yogurt stick in the
Speaker 5: background and like yay, have like a little bottomies like stick.
Speaker 6: On the other hand, like, let's go kell.
Speaker 2: His niece transcribed things for a cult. Yeah yeah, the rich. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like the.
Speaker 4: Guy that uh that supposedly had like the contact. I
Speaker 4: think she was the one who wrote down what he
Speaker 4: said and I became like the Ranchio book, Oh what's
Speaker 4: that phase for Raven?
Speaker 5: Would you find he never consummated his marriage. No, he
Speaker 5: slept in another room and he adopted children rather than
Speaker 5: impregnanating his partner. He was so anti sex that he
Speaker 5: like literally would not touch this woman, which, for the
Speaker 5: self pollution is a crime.
Speaker 2: It is extremely gnostic of him to have that belief,
Speaker 2: because that's the thing the Gnostics did. They truly that
Speaker 2: sex was evil. The Cathars took it to the next
Speaker 2: level and were like, if you're even trying to attach
Speaker 2: another soul to a body into this evil existence, then
Speaker 2: what are you even doing.
Speaker 3: You're going straight to hail. It's a whole thing.
Speaker 5: So like he wrote a book, Oh yeah, he wrote
Speaker 5: a book, Yes, plain facts for old and young, embracing
Speaker 5: the natural history and hygiene of organic life. He described
Speaker 5: thirty cents thirty nine different symptoms in which he were
Speaker 5: which were caused by masturbation. That included epilepsy, acne, bad posture,
Speaker 5: stiff joints, infirmatory, poor development, fickleness, palpitations, and.
Speaker 6: Then some fickleness, fickleedness, how dare you?
Speaker 5: Oh, and meat and rich flavors increased sexual desire, so.
Speaker 6: You're not allowed to have those either.
Speaker 2: By the way, I mean to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: after I slam down a steak, fucking sounds really good,
Speaker 2: to be completely honest with you, honestly.
Speaker 5: Stomach like it's no, no, like maybe some maybe some
Speaker 5: like you know, I don't know, scallops, scallops like some
Speaker 5: some ponds prawns, we call them shrimp.
Speaker 3: And what are we doing?
Speaker 5: Yeah things, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: So basically, yeah, this dude was obviously out of his
Speaker 2: fucking mind and so.
Speaker 3: Shocking right now.
Speaker 1: He was into eugenics as well too.
Speaker 2: A lot of people wore back then, but especially him,
Speaker 2: being an educated, learned man, even though.
Speaker 6: He was important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was the actual doctor.
Speaker 2: He was big with eugenics, but never consummated his marriage
Speaker 2: to produce an offspring, so It's funny how that works
Speaker 2: out right, you know.
Speaker 5: He developed an inema machine, an inima machine.
Speaker 6: What the more.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm scanning this and I'm like, wait, we
Speaker 5: can't get off this topic just yet, because I needed.
Speaker 6: After flushing the.
Speaker 5: Bows with water, he believed that they were further cleansed
Speaker 5: by administering a pint of yogurt half through the mouth
Speaker 5: and half through the ass. Ye okay, man, this this
Speaker 5: guy is all over the place. He was a physician
Speaker 5: at Battle Creek Sanitarium in uh, Massachusetts.
Speaker 6: No, it's Michigan, Michigan.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was out of his fucking mind.
Speaker 2: And so anybody who's buying Kellogg's brand cereal please understand
Speaker 2: that you are buying what is the leftovers of this
Speaker 2: guy's fucking insane rantings. Oh my god, but I mean, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that to like shit on Ketllogs. I mean, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: I like frosted lakes. You know, I get it.
Speaker 6: He put silver wire through the foreskin of young boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, oh my god, because silver was seen as.
Speaker 5: To prevent erections and to cause extreme irritation.
Speaker 6: Yep, he would do this without anesthezua or anything. He
Speaker 6: would do this to young boy, but.
Speaker 3: It was for their own good, Raven.
Speaker 2: We have to keep that in mind, because he was
Speaker 2: an educated, learning man that wanted to keep the evil
Speaker 2: out of these boys.
Speaker 5: Clearly, sure, I only can imagine when he did to
Speaker 5: the females.
Speaker 3: Raven.
Speaker 2: Oh, he listen, we've been laughing a good bit here.
Speaker 2: You don't want to do that.
Speaker 5: I already know what they did to the females. Think
Speaker 5: you have done my share of research for anything.
Speaker 1: You don't know what kell Logg did.
Speaker 2: You thought the silver wire was a weird one. We're
Speaker 2: not going to look into that on this episode.
Speaker 5: I'm sure he probably stitched them shut, because that's a
Speaker 5: vibe that they like to do a lot.
Speaker 2: It was, it was worse anyway, anyway, moving moving forward,
Speaker 2: the guy was an absolute sociopath, and with his branding
Speaker 2: and his education, the Kellogg company became the thing that
Speaker 2: it is today.
Speaker 5: I feel like I need to go in a tirade
Speaker 5: a little bit on like TikTok and be like, we
Speaker 5: should cancel the fuck out of these people.
Speaker 2: I mean, granted they it's changed a lot as a
Speaker 2: company since then, but.
Speaker 5: I mean, but the boys and girls that he tortured
Speaker 5: and did all these horrific things too, like they're now, yeah,
Speaker 5: but we're just gonna sidestep it.
Speaker 3: No, I mean we need to talk about it.
Speaker 1: But they do.
Speaker 5: Actually own so many things though their hand is in
Speaker 5: so much shit it's unreal, Like you.
Speaker 1: Couldn't keep it.
Speaker 6: If we wanted to, like the cereal, sure we might
Speaker 6: be able to get.
Speaker 5: A box polled, but like, no, they own so many Yeah,
Speaker 5: and they haven't stopped eugenics because I've actually seen there
Speaker 5: their logo on one of the eugenic pages as one
Speaker 5: of the sponsors. But oh sorry, it's a genetic page.
Speaker 5: We don't want to talk about it being eugenics. It's
Speaker 5: totally eugenics, but it's yeah, they're one of the sponsors
Speaker 5: at the very bottom when you like actually scroll through
Speaker 5: all the people who are sponsoring and stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's a vibe interesting.
Speaker 3: So all right, So back back to the whole I'll
Speaker 3: call I had to look it up. I thought we
Speaker 3: were playing.
Speaker 5: I didn't like I had heard, but I've never actually
Speaker 5: done like a deep dive into it before. But shit,
Speaker 5: now we kind of mean I want to do a
Speaker 5: whole episode on just the big top brands and what
Speaker 5: they've done.
Speaker 3: Oh cool, God, we'd be here for a while. We
Speaker 3: could do a series on it.
Speaker 1: I'm down.
Speaker 6: I'm totally down.
Speaker 5: We've been on Epstein for We're like on episode four
Speaker 5: about to be shot tomorrow, and then we're gonna shoot
Speaker 5: episode five on Monday or Tuesday.
Speaker 2: We're realistically probably going to hit episode thirty of nothing
Speaker 2: but Epstein before it's all sudden.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think ten I'm good in the files.
Speaker 1: I do the same shit as you, and I don't
Speaker 1: run it with them.
Speaker 6: Oh, it's just it's so much like.
Speaker 4: So much shit in there, and you know what the
Speaker 4: thing is, there's probably so much shit in there that
Speaker 4: people would never realize is important because of this is
Speaker 4: crazy shit. But you know, like business wise or companies
Speaker 4: and people attached to this, and that guarantee you there's
Speaker 4: a pluthora of that rep in the.
Speaker 5: There's a lot there's a lot of hidden projects, right, So,
Speaker 5: Like I found one that we're going to talk about
Speaker 5: that I haven't seen anybody else talk about yet. There
Speaker 5: is another one that I just saw some kid just
Speaker 5: found and he's like, so, I don't think anyone's talking
Speaker 5: about this. And I started and I actually just looked
Speaker 5: up the file as he was dropped it and I
Speaker 5: was reading into it. I was like, ooh, you might
Speaker 5: have actually found something pretty interesting. So people are slowly
Speaker 5: piecing together that one lady piece together that piece of
Speaker 5: art with a I don't actually I have his picture,
Speaker 5: but he's some politician or person and it's.
Speaker 6: Him doing this sign and the email is.
Speaker 5: Attached are for the girl that he had dressed up
Speaker 5: in snow white costume. Yeah, and he fucked multiple times.
Speaker 5: But in the actual picture, I just saw the breakdown
Speaker 5: of the picture. There's like multiple things that are inside
Speaker 5: this picture, this painting that was made and it was
Speaker 5: talking about money for Epstein for sex trafficking like on
Speaker 5: one of the things. And there's like a willing participant
Speaker 5: is around this pair of boxers that's like thrown onto
Speaker 5: the floor, and like she's in the background, Like there's
Speaker 5: like a almost like a little mirror picture in the
Speaker 5: background where she's laying on the bed of snow white
Speaker 5: and like his his face is identical to the other picture.
Speaker 6: And there's a whole bunch of like symbolism.
Speaker 5: It says a JP mortgage and it has like another
Speaker 5: one that says Chase Bank. And they're like money stacked
Speaker 5: on each other. So people are doing doing what people
Speaker 5: do with the internet, and they're breaking apart everything that
Speaker 5: they can find.
Speaker 2: So in this why we're probably gonna have thirty episodes
Speaker 2: of it every time we think we're gonna be like,
Speaker 2: all right, maybe we're done with Epstein. Somebody's gonna find
Speaker 2: some new revelation. This is so much and we have
Speaker 2: to talk about it. It's literally our job.
Speaker 1: Do you think anything will happen? I mean a few
Speaker 1: things seem to be. I mean Prince Andrews supposedly got arrested.
Speaker 6: Right, I think I think they will. I think they
Speaker 6: will sacrifice ten people. That's it. Maybe.
Speaker 2: So this is actually starting to piss a lot of
Speaker 2: people off, which as far as America is concerned, it's
Speaker 2: not happening. But the King of England was willing to
Speaker 2: put his own brother in handcuffs and strip him of
Speaker 2: all titles and put him in jail. Meanwhile, Trump says
Speaker 2: that we can't prosecute anybody because it would upend too
Speaker 2: many things and it would be the downfall of this nation.
Speaker 3: It'd be some national security issues.
Speaker 1: Why spinning the swamp isn't it. Isn't that what he
Speaker 1: wanted to do.
Speaker 2: That's literally what he ran on twice. So I you know.
Speaker 1: He's in the files read I read some people deny it,
Speaker 1: but I mean I've seen some ship with him in that.
Speaker 2: Look, I still would rather him be in the position
Speaker 2: than Kamala Harris, and I'm still standing on that. But
Speaker 2: that doesn't negate the that I do now, without any
Speaker 2: shadow of any doubt, believe he's in the files.
Speaker 3: Now to what level? To what degree did he actually
Speaker 3: fuck him underage girls? Was he fucking prostitutes? And that's
Speaker 3: what it was. Was it twenty year olds or was
Speaker 3: it fourteen year olds?
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of some context needed for sure,
Speaker 2: but if nothing else, because and we've talked about this,
Speaker 2: you're from New York. At the end of the day,
Speaker 2: Trump is a New York City businessman. He's a grease ball.
Speaker 2: He does deals with shady people with mafia ties. With
Speaker 2: all that, that's how this goes. So push come to shove.
Speaker 2: He's not some statesman. He's a greaseball businessman from New
Speaker 2: York City. And if you're at that level of oh,
Speaker 2: I'm a multi billionaire, you knew Jeff. Jeff was the
Speaker 2: money laundering king of the earth, well of that caliber
Speaker 2: of individual anyway. So absolutely he knew Jeff. And to
Speaker 2: what level was their affiliation. I don't think it was
Speaker 2: just money. I think it was women as well. And
Speaker 2: I can't say with one hundred percent certainty if it
Speaker 2: was or wasn't young girls, but I will say it
Speaker 2: wouldn't shock me way or another.
Speaker 5: Honestly, he's mentioned so you got to cut these in
Speaker 5: half because there's so many duplicates. By the way, so
Speaker 5: when the web when that guy, I think it's Ian
Speaker 5: that I don't know who did it.
Speaker 6: Ian, Yeah, he did the web, Carol.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that they dropped it down to one point
Speaker 5: five million. So when they took them all and they
Speaker 5: condensed them and so they stopped, they took out all
Speaker 5: the dupl kits and stuff. That's how what they got
Speaker 5: it down to. So it says Trump is in there
Speaker 5: five two and forty times.
Speaker 2: So now how much of that stealings? How much of
Speaker 2: that is him on flight logs? Because I mean, hell,
Speaker 2: we even looked up a flight log and.
Speaker 5: Well, so this is like this is just Trump getting
Speaker 5: RNC bounce, and like this is just some things are
Speaker 5: now I ask.
Speaker 2: Some of it is his name being mentioned in an
Speaker 2: email from person A to person.
Speaker 1: Being about Trump.
Speaker 3: He's not even in it.
Speaker 5: Well like Allan Woody Ellen goes off on a ti
Speaker 5: rate about how he's a narcissistic psychopath and an email
Speaker 5: I believe Jeffrey into another person.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of emails with his name that I've read.
Speaker 5: I haven't actually gone through the Trump thing because I've
Speaker 5: been honestly in eugenics world.
Speaker 6: That's where I've been at. But Trump has been Uh.
Speaker 5: The ones that I have seen, they're from other conversations
Speaker 5: that involved like food related things or talking about finances
Speaker 5: and stuff, and then they would mention Trump in super
Speaker 5: negative way. They would just be like pretty much fuck
Speaker 5: Trump every which way to Sunday and they would be
Speaker 5: talking about him in passing. I haven't actually looked into
Speaker 5: all of them. I'm sure there's I don't know if
Speaker 5: anyone's actually said that he's corresponded with him or not.
Speaker 2: According to all the things he broke ties quote unquote
Speaker 2: with him in four there's I find this highly unlikely.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know s I think either way,
Speaker 5: Trump is just as terrible as the rest of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so for sure.
Speaker 2: But I mean, when whatever America said for years and
Speaker 2: years we need to get a businessman in the presidency
Speaker 2: because they'll run this country the way it needs to
Speaker 2: be run by bup up.
Speaker 3: We got exactly what we asked for. But here's the deal.
Speaker 3: When you get to that top tier of business moguls
Speaker 3: and things, they all run in a certain circle and
Speaker 3: all roads lead back to some sort of a satanic
Speaker 3: cabala pedophiles.
Speaker 2: I don't like it any more than anybody else does,
Speaker 2: to be honest, But I mean here we also think
Speaker 2: the people.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like he's an intertangable.
Speaker 6: Dialogue where my lizard people share.
Speaker 2: But all right, So the question I had for you
Speaker 2: with your background in Oteo and you got out, you
Speaker 2: said years and years back, right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was probably gone by. I was, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's around COVID.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And you said you were associated with them
Speaker 2: for you said five years, six and seven.
Speaker 3: Now, I've heard.
Speaker 2: Rumors and stories from people that say that when you
Speaker 2: get to the actual tippy top, that you basically get
Speaker 2: told you can choose a certain path you want to
Speaker 2: go down, whether that be of the vampiric route, the
Speaker 2: shape shifter route, or of the uh basically continuing the
Speaker 2: magi role and want to become like a witch or
Speaker 2: a warlock, but like actual, not just you know, doing
Speaker 2: some fun practical magically. You're doing some actual shit here.
Speaker 2: Did you hear anything about that in your time?
Speaker 1: Not in the OTO?
Speaker 4: That sounds maybe something a little bit more like the
Speaker 4: Church of Satan God, like more of like a.
Speaker 3: Now you don't mean Levey Satanism because that's just edgy.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's what I told.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think he I think there was a
Speaker 4: werewolf order that was inside that in that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Remember remember when his daughter I forgot his daughter's name.
Speaker 4: She was like kind of like on talk shows and
Speaker 4: people knew who she was, and she was with her
Speaker 4: husband or boyfriend.
Speaker 3: It looks a lot like Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 4: He if you listen to him, he says he was
Speaker 4: in the Church of Satan or then eventually went over
Speaker 4: to the Temple of set But he mentions that he wasn't
Speaker 4: like this well wolf order of it.
Speaker 1: So, and I have heard of like vamp I've heard
Speaker 1: of that from Will. Will Schnoblan. I think that's some
Speaker 1: vampire cult.
Speaker 4: But with the OTO, I can't From the people that
Speaker 4: I knew and from what I was experienced shown there,
Speaker 4: I have never heard of any of that. I wish
Speaker 4: I could. I mean, it'd be silly and pretty funny
Speaker 4: to talk about.
Speaker 3: Now, another question. You put up a post.
Speaker 2: This might have been it might have been been two
Speaker 2: years ago, and you were talking. I think you were
Speaker 2: speaking Egyptian and you were doing it to.
Speaker 3: Make a point.
Speaker 2: You were saying it basically, if you can't understand what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, that you don't know what the fuck you're
Speaker 2: talking about about magic.
Speaker 1: Oh, probably about three years Oh.
Speaker 2: I remember we had just had on the show and
Speaker 2: that I see this, and me and Jonathan got into
Speaker 2: it because I am the type of person that believes
Speaker 2: that actual magic has to be done the correct way.
Speaker 3: You're not going to speak you know, Brooklyn style.
Speaker 2: English, and uh, the magical incantation is gonna work because
Speaker 2: it's about intent. I disagree with that. I think things
Speaker 2: have to be done in a very structured, regimental way.
Speaker 2: You have to speak it in the proper language, with
Speaker 2: the proper inflections. And I'm not the only one to
Speaker 2: say this hell, true alchemy, according to Mary the Jewish
Speaker 2: had to be performed in Hebrew. It had to be
Speaker 2: performed during a certain month. Otherwise it's not real alchemy. Right,
Speaker 2: So all of this to be said, what, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's where we get distillation from.
Speaker 5: I guess my biggest thing with that is like how
Speaker 5: speech changes between you know, pretty much like the monkey chain,
Speaker 5: where speech changes, and like even though if it's written down,
Speaker 5: depending if it's been rewritten, depending on who it's passed through,
Speaker 5: depending on how it's taught, depending on what type of
Speaker 5: dial like that person is that's teaching you, depending on
Speaker 5: what generation you're talking about, Like, speech is continuously changing,
Speaker 5: and we don't know what it sounded like a thousand
Speaker 5: years ago, five hundred years ago.
Speaker 3: There's only two languages on Earth where we actually.
Speaker 6: Do but we don't actually know what it sounds like.
Speaker 6: We have no actual recoursing of what these people sounded like.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 6: So even though that.
Speaker 5: You've had oral translations passed down and passed down and
Speaker 5: passed down and passed down, there still is going to
Speaker 5: be a slight dialect difference per person every single time
Speaker 5: that you change it because we could be talking the
Speaker 5: exact same way, but I will hear a slight change
Speaker 5: versus you, and that's how that's how language works.
Speaker 1: Is there a site Italian?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2: But we're also talking about let's let's say it's an
Speaker 2: incantation that is has to be pronounced in this certain
Speaker 2: way this person reads into. If I'm the person teaching you,
Speaker 2: I read it this way, I teach you how to
Speaker 2: say the words the right way. You have to say
Speaker 2: it the right way or it will not work. I
Speaker 2: bet you'll like commit that to memory and make sure
Speaker 2: that it gets passed down the right way to the
Speaker 2: next person.
Speaker 6: I actually agree with Jonathan. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I think it is.
Speaker 6: I think it's more along the lines of intent. I
Speaker 6: think there is.
Speaker 1: Oh No, I think there is.
Speaker 5: I think there needs to be probably a way that
Speaker 5: you have to do it, and I think that there
Speaker 5: needs to be you need to be as close to
Speaker 5: translation as possible. But I think the intent behind it,
Speaker 5: as well as being close to whatever it is that
Speaker 5: you're trying to read and perform, needs to be one
Speaker 5: in like one and the same.
Speaker 6: I think there's both. Both people are right in this instance.
Speaker 3: But hear me out.
Speaker 2: So there is aside from dead languages, languages that are
Speaker 2: still spoken today.
Speaker 6: Is like a jew language, right, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 6: if we're.
Speaker 3: Going to get hold on rafel Dam.
Speaker 2: There is technically speaking four languages that have been untouched
Speaker 2: from then to now. Two of these are dead languages,
Speaker 2: and two of them are still spoken today. Okay, Latin
Speaker 2: the Roman language. Now, granted, the Latin that we're talking
Speaker 2: about when you're thinking of Europeans that we're learning Latin
Speaker 2: is different than what the Romans are speaking, but you
Speaker 2: have language experts that can actually go back and read
Speaker 2: the original Latin text in Roman and they can speak
Speaker 2: with the proper inflection.
Speaker 3: Greek is another one. They can still speak it.
Speaker 2: It's a dead langugeguage, but ancient Greek or Konai or
Speaker 2: kone Greek excuse me is something you can still learn today.
Speaker 2: And if there was an incantation in that language, you
Speaker 2: could still learn how to properly say it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The other two that are still alive today would be
Speaker 2: Coptic Egyptian, because they do know that the Coptic Egyptian
Speaker 2: language is the absolute closest to what the pharaohs of
Speaker 2: ancient Egypt once spoke and they have a direct chain
Speaker 2: of custody to make that claim. And then Hebrew, which
Speaker 2: that language has not changed in three thousand years. So
Speaker 2: my question, whenever you were speaking that Egyptian incantation, right,
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, it was like a prayer to
Speaker 2: a sun god or something.
Speaker 3: It wasn't even like an incantation. It was basically like.
Speaker 2: Saying, may the Sun God give you a good day
Speaker 2: today or something along these lines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was some super saying.
Speaker 4: So though it might have been like the story Ruby,
Speaker 4: a part of it, I might have said that was
Speaker 4: like in Greek or some shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: But that when you were learning this, you learned this
Speaker 2: through OTO, correct uh.
Speaker 4: I learned it through Alice to Crowley's books. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's stuff that would be done at the OT. That's
Speaker 4: one thing. The OTO really doesn't teach you anything unless
Speaker 4: maybe you go there and watch what people do. They
Speaker 4: kind of just tell you like, oh, these are suggested readings.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yes, that would be something that you would
Speaker 4: learn through Alista Crowley or through the rituals that are
Speaker 4: normally performed or suggested to be performed in the in
Speaker 4: the oto.
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, I kind of answered my question.
Speaker 4: Then, Yeah, I'm just trying to like it because like
Speaker 4: it's different like the Golden Normal. Actually, like you'll get
Speaker 4: like a mentor and you'll actually have to be like
Speaker 4: like don't start like test you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this place like you know you kind of just
Speaker 1: read this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like it's just a hangout club.
Speaker 4: One thing I will say, I want to you know,
Speaker 4: with Jacob, is that uh like for me, especially like
Speaker 4: the star Ruby, if I was going to do that seriously,
Speaker 4: I would make sure I'm trying to pronounce everything correctly.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: But like in even in the less abanishing ritual of
Speaker 4: the pentagram. First that's basically done in Hebrew because you're
Speaker 4: doing the capitalistic cross and then like and then part
Speaker 4: of it's English, but like it's like kind of using both.
Speaker 4: But when you face the directions, at least in the
Speaker 4: way that Alison Crowley puts it in Libra, oh, he even
Speaker 4: tells you that you're going to have to vibrate whatever
Speaker 4: God name's at each corner, you know, each direction, to
Speaker 4: like literally vibrate that to exhaustion, you know, like I
Speaker 4: couldn't you know, necessarily say what that's for. But I
Speaker 4: also do know that there's times where things are chants,
Speaker 4: a certain sounds just to create a certain frequency is
Speaker 4: going on, so you know, when you're in a ritual.
Speaker 4: I do think that saying these words as best as
Speaker 4: you kind is very important.
Speaker 1: Right, at least the ones that I'm I am used
Speaker 1: to doing. I would suggest that, and.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I have a a skewed vision of
Speaker 2: what this is, but it seems very similar to chemistry
Speaker 2: of me right, Like, yeah, you can, you can guesstimate
Speaker 2: and you might get the right thing.
Speaker 3: However, there is a math to it.
Speaker 2: There is an exact amount that has to be done,
Speaker 2: and this thing heated to this temperature, and then when
Speaker 2: that happens, you mix this in and like there's a
Speaker 2: there's an actual recipe to get the result that you're after.
Speaker 2: I feel like if we're talking about things of the
Speaker 2: magic with a k realm, it is the same thing.
Speaker 1: I think the first was an alchemist actually, right, oh,
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing though with the argument with
Speaker 5: Jonathan is the intent is that I do agree on
Speaker 5: both parts is that there is a recipe for it,
Speaker 5: but also you can only get as close to it
Speaker 5: as possible. You're not going to be able to sound
Speaker 5: exactly like what the way it was written, Like nine
Speaker 5: times out of ten, you're going to somehow mistranslate it,
Speaker 5: at least even with an inflection difference. I mean, how
Speaker 5: many times have Royce talked to us about the same
Speaker 5: word over and over again? And we've we've practiced with him,
Speaker 5: and like, even if I barely speak American English, but
Speaker 5: most people that are practicing these things don't. This is
Speaker 5: not their first language, so they're getting close to it
Speaker 5: as possible. And then their intention behind it is they're
Speaker 5: putting their energy and their vibration, their intentions into wanting
Speaker 5: to have this happen. So it's like pushing it forward.
Speaker 5: At least that's my interpretation of it.
Speaker 2: To quote Hermione Granger, it's Levo Saw, not Leo Sa.
Speaker 6: Did you really sound like her right now?
Speaker 3: I'm being serious?
Speaker 1: You do?
Speaker 3: I think that that actually matters here, And like intention
Speaker 3: goes to a certain level, and I agree with that.
Speaker 3: But if I am mixing sodium and chloride, there's I
Speaker 3: can put all the intention I want into make in
Speaker 3: that gold.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get salt. It doesn't how much you want,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you're not. This is not full chemistry though.
Speaker 5: This is you're messing with other forces besides a black
Speaker 5: and white This is that magical area that you don't
Speaker 5: like to talk about with the G area.
Speaker 2: I think magic is black and white too, to be honest,
Speaker 2: I don't think there's much gray in it.
Speaker 6: I think there is definitely a ray of gray. I
Speaker 6: think that there is.
Speaker 5: I think people mess up and they get other things
Speaker 5: that they don't want, or they're looking for something and
Speaker 5: they end up with something else. But I do believe
Speaker 5: that there's not there. They're not going to go out
Speaker 5: and find the exact translation. They're going to hear it
Speaker 5: and be automatically.
Speaker 3: There's people years to get one spell right.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean if you're if you find a magical grim
Speaker 2: war and you immediately get every spell right, then I
Speaker 2: question a lot of things about you.
Speaker 5: Right Yeah, you're like, God, damn, I gotta download somewhere
Speaker 5: basically wake up and just somehow can read everything. It's like, hmm,
Speaker 5: maybe not right now.
Speaker 1: Ship.
Speaker 3: So all right, now to the questions I wanted to
Speaker 3: ask you. As far as the Epstein conversation goes the
Speaker 3: temple on his island. You've seen the pictures, have you not?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did any of that look magical or oto or a
Speaker 2: cult to you?
Speaker 3: Or do you think that that was just the look?
Speaker 1: No, I would say that was a cult.
Speaker 4: I would even question like the dome on top of
Speaker 4: the square, you know, the circle in the square. Ye,
Speaker 4: the colors, I'm sure the colors were for something, even
Speaker 4: the white in the blue.
Speaker 1: See I've always.
Speaker 4: Wanted this, even with Hitler, because I do believe that,
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a total occult war.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 4: The right pillar, which in my opinion, would go with
Speaker 4: a lot more of like explosive energy war death kind
Speaker 4: of like the beast, but like an untamed just like
Speaker 4: you know, chaos.
Speaker 1: The bottom the top of that sphere, the top of
Speaker 1: the right.
Speaker 4: Pillow would be blue, and that right pillar would also
Speaker 4: be white. So like you know, even the red, the
Speaker 4: blue and the white, Like I do wonder like is
Speaker 4: that representation of you know, cobbolistic colors? Long story short,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I wondered you know that
Speaker 4: I had even something to do with Hitler picking the
Speaker 4: blue eyes.
Speaker 3: I think you might be onto something here.
Speaker 2: We had a guest on the show years and years
Speaker 2: back who was talking about blue side freemasonry, which is
Speaker 2: whenever you look at a Masonic logo and it's got
Speaker 2: the blue background right, and typically you have red lodges
Speaker 2: and blue lodges, and you'll have some of the claim
Speaker 2: that they're a purple lodge, and that usually just means
Speaker 2: regular freemasonry, knights templar masonry, and then the purple might
Speaker 2: be some sort of a crossover between them, but that's
Speaker 2: no official Purple lodge is more like.
Speaker 3: A nickname associated. But you do have red lodges and
Speaker 3: blue lodges.
Speaker 2: Now, when I was stationed in DC, I saw one
Speaker 2: white side free mason logo and I asked him what
Speaker 2: this was. He was from Europe. They don't offer white
Speaker 2: side free masonry in America. That is only offered in
Speaker 2: very very select circles in Europe. Because blue side free
Speaker 2: masonry goes to thirty three degrees. White side goes three
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty degrees. Oh, and they say that when
Speaker 2: you're getting into that side, you're getting the entire color spectrum,
Speaker 2: which is they're talking about all of the esoteric knowledge.
Speaker 1: And all Yeah, the hero's journey end up coming.
Speaker 3: Back exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: So when we're talking about the White and Blue as
Speaker 2: far as hit and I'm not saying this was clearly Masonic,
Speaker 2: but I do agree with you that it was cabalistic
Speaker 2: one percent.
Speaker 1: And I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so like with a not a Jesus with Epstein,
Speaker 4: maybe is el Epstein? Like I think there was even
Speaker 4: like a gold dome, and it's like that's gonna get
Speaker 4: to tipper Red possibly or the sun. Its just I
Speaker 4: definitely think that whole thing was a cult symbolism to
Speaker 4: some extent, that would be the sun, and that would
Speaker 4: be the middle sphere of the cabalistic tree of life.
Speaker 3: Got you? Okay, okay, A bunch.
Speaker 5: Of stuff in his mansion too. I have you already
Speaker 5: seen the videos and photos of his mansion.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he had a bunch.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of emails where he does talk about
Speaker 4: Jamatra and he suggests a website to somebody for Jamatra.
Speaker 6: Doubt it. You You brought up sound, right, So he
Speaker 6: was obsessed.
Speaker 5: He actually had like four scientists that were their entire
Speaker 5: thing was based on sound.
Speaker 6: He actually had a couple of composers as well, that he.
Speaker 5: Worked with trying to find different frequencies to do different
Speaker 5: things with people.
Speaker 6: Oh, there's a whole bunch of that works.
Speaker 1: That works.
Speaker 4: There's even like stuff that I have been about to
Speaker 4: start recording souit for myself.
Speaker 1: I do like solos. I try to release a solo
Speaker 1: show every week.
Speaker 4: And that'd be even covering like certain areas that were
Speaker 4: like definitely my opinion, the structures were made specifically to
Speaker 4: amplify certain chants or certain tones of frequencies. So it
Speaker 4: should be pretty interesting to see that. I mean, there's
Speaker 4: academic proof behind it and all that scientific proof, like
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm like, it's actually gonna be heavily.
Speaker 5: Heavily Like there's a lot about that. Yeah, I've actually
Speaker 5: looked into it. A guy I knew years and years ago.
Speaker 5: People always thought he was really crazy. He would talk
Speaker 5: all the time about how the hurts change your frequencies
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. I mean, but if you look
Speaker 5: into sound healing and you do the sound bowls and
Speaker 5: things like that, and then you look on actually YouTube
Speaker 5: has a ton of them. You can look up any
Speaker 5: type of say you want, like an anxiety cleansing hurts levels,
Speaker 5: and you can like listen to the different hurts levels.
Speaker 6: I mean, but that kind of goes along with Matt Rife.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because his was all about different frequencies as well,
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 2: I hate that his company had to get shut down
Speaker 2: because he got fucked over by his cousin in the office.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Oh really, dude, she stole like close to a half
Speaker 2: a million dollars from him, and he had to get
Speaker 2: the FBI involved.
Speaker 3: It's a whole thing.
Speaker 2: So real Rife Technologies is down as of this moment,
Speaker 2: but hopefully he gets back up and running. But to
Speaker 2: your point, yeah, there's it was all about sound frequency healing,
Speaker 2: which I fully agree with, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of knowledge about frequency healing on a
Speaker 5: MOLECAO level, and so it's interesting that how obsessed Epstein
Speaker 5: was with just that.
Speaker 6: Portion of it.
Speaker 5: And there's a lot He did a lot of different things,
Speaker 5: but to bring up sound and then talk about magic
Speaker 5: and things like that, he was quite obsessed with talking
Speaker 5: about these things and like reading this different stuff and
Speaker 5: getting with these people. It was all about just like
Speaker 5: everything that involves being a human. He wanted to be
Speaker 5: a part of.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, him being interested in that stuff is
Speaker 4: more proof of him being an occultist who probably has
Speaker 4: a pretty decent understanding, believe it or not. Not trying
Speaker 4: to give the guy too much credit. He might have
Speaker 4: actually had like half a clue of what's going on,
Speaker 4: and that's why he was interested in shit like that.
Speaker 5: Apparently there's a picture that was redacted that some people
Speaker 5: were able to pull up, and it was just one
Speaker 5: of those random stupid pictures of.
Speaker 6: His house or whatever. But what they were able to
Speaker 6: do is they were able.
Speaker 5: To zoom in onto the bookshelves, and apparently he had
Speaker 5: all different types of books, including like history, occult stuff.
Speaker 5: He had mathematics, he had genes, he had but he
Speaker 5: had a cult like things mixed into it.
Speaker 6: And there is a couple of symbols.
Speaker 5: There's other pictures we're in the background written on chalkboards
Speaker 5: behind him were like random little bitty.
Speaker 6: Occult symbols and stuff.
Speaker 5: So I fully believe that there's a lot more to
Speaker 5: him than what we understand. I think that we we'd
Speaker 5: have to look at all the photos and things of
Speaker 5: him and to be able to dissect what was really
Speaker 5: going on, because that's where people have been pulling it.
Speaker 5: I've been watching other people that have like way better
Speaker 5: understanding of technology than I do pull stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, now I just real quick.
Speaker 4: I'll even say, like just on my own show, including
Speaker 4: me and other people that are on the show, if
Speaker 4: people went over there, unless you'd be surprised how much
Speaker 4: science we actually get into when we're talking about occultism. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that is very much. I think a thing absolutely oult science.
Speaker 2: I mean that is back in those days, science was,
Speaker 2: I mean because they used the ether or the spirit
Speaker 2: to kind of quantify the unquantifiable to them at the time.
Speaker 2: Think of it like an algebraic equation saw for X.
Speaker 2: They know that two plus x equals five. They don't
Speaker 2: know what X is just yet, but they know that
Speaker 2: this equation works. So until they figure out what it is,
Speaker 2: it's going to stay as X. Or in the ancient
Speaker 2: spirit realm or al chemical realm, it would just kind
Speaker 2: of be called ether. Maybe there was something spiritual to it,
Speaker 2: maybe it was just that unknown factor until they have
Speaker 2: the tech to you know, quantify that. But I mean
Speaker 2: both work. Both could have just been seen as the
Speaker 2: same thing. It's like it's like Schrodinger's cat. It could
Speaker 2: be thought of and as both until you open the
Speaker 2: fucking box, you know. But so with that Epstein, the occultism,
Speaker 2: I agree with you one hundred percent. Now I also
Speaker 2: think that what he was doing to these young girls
Speaker 2: was of a very occult nature.
Speaker 3: What is your take on this?
Speaker 1: Ah, you know that, I can tell you. I don't
Speaker 1: even exactly not sure exactly what you're getting got with it.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that every occultist rapes children. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying oh no, no, no.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying like I'm not I'm not exactly show
Speaker 1: where you're going with this.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes to wherever you're probably thinking. We had
Speaker 2: a guy on the show a while back then, so
Speaker 2: many different things. Ok oh you know, yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: what is your take on him?
Speaker 1: I think he's a really yeah. I'm sorry, you're not
Speaker 1: hurting my feelings, dude.
Speaker 2: We had him on a couple of times and he
Speaker 2: told his story, and it's a very wild story. I've
Speaker 2: never heard someone claim that they themselves performed over four
Speaker 2: hundred ritualistic abortions for the principle of sacrificing to Satan
Speaker 2: at an Oto Temple. As loud and proud as he did,
Speaker 2: and then gave people his personal cell phone number so
Speaker 2: that if they wanted to call and talk to him
Speaker 2: about it, he's like, please call me, I'm available twenty
Speaker 2: four to seven. Now, you being a former OTO member,
Speaker 2: and again you were only in there for a few years,
Speaker 2: you weren't one of those top tier dogs.
Speaker 3: You said you were only like at level two.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well.
Speaker 4: See the thing, Teresa even had him on the show.
Speaker 4: When I was on that, I kept my mouth shut
Speaker 4: the whole time, but there was like certain shit that
Speaker 4: like it was not an OTO.
Speaker 1: Okay, the guys, I really don't want to get into.
Speaker 6: It, man, No, yeah, we're good.
Speaker 4: He's if you were to listen to the ship that
Speaker 4: comes out of his mouth, and even just listen to
Speaker 4: stuff that comes out of my mouth about the OTO,
Speaker 4: you'd realize this guy is just kind of like throwing
Speaker 4: a few words out there and really doesn't know what
Speaker 4: the fuck he's talking about.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, so you don't believe that anything of that
Speaker 2: nature is happening, and it grants it.
Speaker 4: Also, Oh no, no, I'm not denying that shit. I
Speaker 4: see the reason why I was asking you. I wasn't
Speaker 4: sure where you're going with that because I mean that
Speaker 4: could be eugenics. Sure, I wasn't exactly sure you're getting
Speaker 4: into it.
Speaker 5: I think he's more or less asking if if the
Speaker 5: occults groups are sacrificing children and females.
Speaker 1: Soon, just like any religion or any church or any
Speaker 1: temple or any Jehovah's witness or any other place, there's
Speaker 1: going to be a few percentages of sick fucks doing
Speaker 1: that shit somewhat.
Speaker 3: Okay, So that was the other part.
Speaker 2: So you've only been exposed to your one lodge of
Speaker 2: the OTO, right, you didn't like travel and check out
Speaker 2: other lodges around the country.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean one other one in Salem.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, wait in Salem, Massachusetts. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: But my point is though with the lodge that you saw,
Speaker 2: you didn't see anything of that type of Malfeasan's going on.
Speaker 6: It sounds like more like a hangout.
Speaker 5: Honestly what he's describing like versus what we're thinking when
Speaker 5: it comes to like e cultrit.
Speaker 1: Include myself, it was a bunch of nerds.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say. I was like, I was like,
Speaker 6: this sounds like, honestly.
Speaker 5: Like a nerdy hangout, like more advanced version of like, uh, cosplay,
Speaker 5: that's what it sounds like to me.
Speaker 2: But they are practicing real magic or do they think
Speaker 2: they are and they're not.
Speaker 4: Actually Lodge will even tell you that, at least from
Speaker 4: my experience, they say the real magic happens at home
Speaker 4: by yourself.
Speaker 5: I mean, they definitely seem like they didn't. They weren't
Speaker 5: practicing practic not like the other ones. This this does
Speaker 5: seem like a group of like, hey, we did some
Speaker 5: shit together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is how like these orders. Well, Alia could
Speaker 4: speak for the Oto. They have the Gnostic Mass quite often,
Speaker 4: which is like their version of church, which I kind
Speaker 4: of represents the man crossing the abyss. Then they'll have
Speaker 4: a couple of rituals, like specifically for the Book of
Speaker 4: the Law that was done in three days, they'll have
Speaker 4: rituals for that, And I think the equinox and the
Speaker 4: sol system.
Speaker 1: Maybe one of the thing in there. That's it.
Speaker 4: Besides that, it's going to be history classes possibly on
Speaker 4: another occultist, it's going to be a cigil class, candle magic,
Speaker 4: planetary magic.
Speaker 1: So a lot of it really isn't all like the
Speaker 1: ritual like now.
Speaker 3: That's only for lower levels. It's only the ones that speak.
Speaker 4: I mean, unless there isn't anything that's on like the
Speaker 4: calendar that's like some secret calendar. I mean even people
Speaker 4: or minervles can see what's like going on completely. I'm
Speaker 4: sure maybe there is something maybe hidden, but uh, I
Speaker 4: mean like even if there was like a fifth or
Speaker 4: six degree initiation, I could see that's being done.
Speaker 1: Can't go, but I'll see it on the came sure.
Speaker 4: But yeah, a lot of it, honestly is like a
Speaker 4: lot of classes as well, or informational things. It's not
Speaker 4: always just like every time you go that you don't
Speaker 4: know rituals and shit, that's that's not the case either.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm just saying that because I don't know
Speaker 4: if a lot of people see this is the thing
Speaker 4: that I've gotten into, and I don't like trying. I
Speaker 4: not like coming at you guys when I say this ethice,
Speaker 4: But I've said this to other people. I said, it's
Speaker 4: amazing how people who've never once stepped foot in one
Speaker 4: of these places seem to know everything that's going on now.
Speaker 3: Right, and would be I at least had the bolt.
Speaker 2: We've had the same conversation with Freemasons, right because we
Speaker 2: have had so many people come on that have claimed
Speaker 2: to have all this knowledge about freemasonry and what really
Speaker 2: goes on behind the lodges.
Speaker 3: Then you'll get we're both marines.
Speaker 2: We meet so many marines that we went to Philadelphia
Speaker 2: for the big you know, two fiftieth birthday celebration, met
Speaker 2: a bunch of high level Masons there and I was
Speaker 2: talking to them because I told my you know, conspiracy
Speaker 2: podcast and we were talking.
Speaker 3: They like, so, what do y'all say about the Masons?
Speaker 2: Hey, I brought up you know, Alistair Crowley, and then
Speaker 2: we talked about Alfred Pike and morals and dogma and
Speaker 2: how the top dogs actually worship Lucifer and it's this
Speaker 2: whole thing, you know, the whole jam. And he's like,
Speaker 2: it's crazy how much people know when they've never stepped
Speaker 2: foot in a lodge. And it's like, no, I hear you,
Speaker 2: But also, are you denying that that book says these things?
Speaker 1: And they didn't really answer me.
Speaker 3: But that's it's not the point beside the point. I
Speaker 3: hear what you're saying.
Speaker 6: I don't think everybody.
Speaker 4: Like me telling people what boot camp was like for you.
Speaker 4: I don't know that wasn't the right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you'd be like, well, the fuck is this
Speaker 4: guy even saying anything about that he didn't ever one
Speaker 4: through boot camp?
Speaker 3: Fair point.
Speaker 4: I'm just keeping it real man, Like people know what's
Speaker 4: going on behind those walls unless they go in there.
Speaker 6: I have.
Speaker 1: And a yes, it's not truth because you didn't see
Speaker 1: it or experience it.
Speaker 6: I more or less just take everything with a grain
Speaker 6: of salt.
Speaker 5: When I'm listening to other people talk about their experiences,
Speaker 5: I'm just like mm hmm, Okay. I mean, hey, you
Speaker 5: might know everything you're telling everything that's truthful, you might
Speaker 5: be bullshitting us, Like I'm more or less and personally
Speaker 5: for me, I just like to listen to people's stories.
Speaker 5: And then I mean, if I decide to walk into
Speaker 5: one of these places, then like, all right, I'm going
Speaker 5: to experience it for myself, but I have no desire to.
Speaker 5: You know, if your your group sounds more or less
Speaker 5: like a honestly like a nerdy hangout, like with some
Speaker 5: with some like cool history shit and like you know,
Speaker 5: some stuff going on, like but you know, I think
Speaker 5: everybody there's a lot of people though that plays you know,
Speaker 5: have stolen valor, and that we'll walk around and say
Speaker 5: that they've done all of these things and this is
Speaker 5: what I know. And then you like, then people are like, oh,
Speaker 5: that's that's exactly what everybody's going through. It's a nope,
Speaker 5: we were in the same we were crosspaths at the
Speaker 5: same time. Like we're in the same time, and our
Speaker 5: experiences were completely different. So like you could be in
Speaker 5: the same society, order, whatever, and your experience is vastly
Speaker 5: different from the person standing next to you.
Speaker 2: So and that's all I was saying, Like you went
Speaker 2: to the world in New York, and you went to
Speaker 2: the one in Salem. You never went to a lodge
Speaker 2: in Cali.
Speaker 4: Now, I don't think I don't even think it's a
Speaker 4: real Like the way he words it, it's not like
Speaker 4: he's I would have to hear him say it again
Speaker 4: and I could exactly point out to you, but like
Speaker 4: the way he even says it, I'm just like, dude, Like,
Speaker 4: this isn't like an actual.
Speaker 5: I don't know if anybody that would want to come
Speaker 5: on and openly talk about to thousands of people. Hey,
Speaker 5: by the way, I killed and sacrificed four hundred plus unborn.
Speaker 1: Children need to come out and say when it's probably bullshit.
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't really know a lot of people that.
Speaker 4: The money well, going to see people out in the
Speaker 4: streets for real, right, yeah, but real, man. You know
Speaker 4: what I think is more satanic is actually making this
Speaker 4: bullshit up and making money off of it.
Speaker 1: I think that's I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if he's actually making any money off of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's written any books.
Speaker 1: Person. I know that he's going on this show. They've
Speaker 1: donated money to him.
Speaker 3: Practically we did not. I'll I'll be straight up with.
Speaker 1: You, dude.
Speaker 5: I've never met the man, so I have no actual
Speaker 5: like opinion of this person.
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry, I'm going off.
Speaker 6: It's just no, just from a personal like.
Speaker 1: We don't actually get opinionated on anybody but those guys.
Speaker 2: Well, because he makes claims about an organization you were
Speaker 2: a part of, I mean, I would expect that, you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 4: You know, what the thing is is that when he
Speaker 4: first came on, he wasn't even associating himself with the OTO.
Speaker 4: That's something I've watched him progress into with his fucking
Speaker 4: bullshit story. First fucking version of the Church of Satan,
Speaker 4: but some other worded way because it didn't fucking exist.
Speaker 4: If you could go back and listen to his on
Speaker 4: Fucking Teresa's Spiritual Gangsters, there's no to Oto actually on that.
Speaker 4: It's other shows. About a year later, I've heard himself
Speaker 4: bringing it up. Make up your fucking minds actrily.
Speaker 3: So okay with that being.
Speaker 6: Said, Because it's because you're such a small.
Speaker 4: Real t it's probably a big name to use now,
Speaker 4: so let's say that it sounds more hip than some
Speaker 4: fucking fake version of the Church of Saintan.
Speaker 2: It's more obscure than the church is sating people have
Speaker 2: heard of the Church of Satan.
Speaker 1: The lady applying Oto. Man, it's so easy to point.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be real with you.
Speaker 5: I didn't know what the Oto was until just now,
Speaker 5: like as you've been explaining it. I was like, but yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know what this is. That's not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: It wasn't even like the way he was wording it. It
Speaker 4: wasn't even the same thing. It just had Shatan in there,
Speaker 4: and I think temple of some other ship.
Speaker 3: Like he said that he was a Satanic high wizard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another thing.
Speaker 4: They don't even call themselves wizards in the fucking oto man.
Speaker 6: But so all right, so if I remember correctly, was
Speaker 6: he with wicked like.
Speaker 3: No, no, no.
Speaker 2: So he says that he got his starting oto and
Speaker 2: then once he got to a certain level, he went
Speaker 2: on to and I don't know if it was Church
Speaker 2: of Satan or Satanic Temple or the there's so many
Speaker 2: groups that call himself Satanists. Half of them are just
Speaker 2: edgy gnostics. Let's be very honest. Even I'm be honest
Speaker 2: with you, dude, I don't think Anton Levey was actually
Speaker 2: a Satanist.
Speaker 3: He said, what the most evil did?
Speaker 1: Make money?
Speaker 3: That's all it was, dude.
Speaker 2: He was like, it was a dark, edgy anti religion.
Speaker 2: He said, the most evil thing you could do was
Speaker 2: jack off that you know, that was the.
Speaker 1: Biggest of God's face. That she left because it was
Speaker 1: a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 4: That's why she went over to the Temple of sec
Speaker 4: because that was like something real, right.
Speaker 2: It's anyway, So I don't know which organization Zach said
Speaker 2: that he went to next, but something in the realm
Speaker 2: of Satanic red right and all these things, And then
Speaker 2: he got to the level of Satanic High Wizard and
Speaker 2: apparently he was the one that put on a couple
Speaker 2: of very famous celebrities, people that you would know.
Speaker 1: Uh, he's blind now.
Speaker 3: Apparently he had to sacrifice his physical health, uh to
Speaker 3: attain some of the powers that he had at one point.
Speaker 3: That's his admission anyway, if he's.
Speaker 4: Telling the truth, he's lying about the organizations maybe to
Speaker 4: cover himself, because I'm not denying that shit doesn't go on.
Speaker 1: It's just the way he says in the names he
Speaker 1: throws out there.
Speaker 4: It's just like, dude, like you need to read a
Speaker 4: little bit more about these places before you accuse them.
Speaker 1: Fair Definitely a lot of I'm not denying like that
Speaker 1: shit doesn't go on. For sure, that goes on.
Speaker 2: Man, there's absolutely evil places that are doing whole whole
Speaker 2: things to children.
Speaker 5: This.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is like in my opinion that I
Speaker 1: don't know like how this works. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is part of like.
Speaker 4: People opening up their own demons, even in their own head,
Speaker 4: and it just fucking handcuffs them and makes them worse
Speaker 4: and worse of a person. But my opinion, when it
Speaker 4: comes to magic, unless the only thing you're focused on
Speaker 4: is having an experience with God, everything else is going
Speaker 4: to be fucking black magic.
Speaker 3: Okay, you will.
Speaker 4: You're kinda just fucking fuck up shit that's even written
Speaker 4: to be for a good thing. You're just gonna take
Speaker 4: things to extreme and have excuses to do it, and
Speaker 4: it's just gonna keep getting worse and worse. I mean,
Speaker 4: think if somebody wants to write a spell because they're like,
Speaker 4: I want to get back up my coworker because they
Speaker 4: did something to me. You're gonna design this spell and
Speaker 4: do this whole fucking ritual because this person's got you
Speaker 4: fucking triggered.
Speaker 1: Who's the magician? Now you're fucking co worker.
Speaker 4: They're rent in space in your head, and all you're
Speaker 4: doing is just creating more hate. You're giving a fucking
Speaker 4: image to this person. Now as you're doing the ritual
Speaker 4: their name, you're actually mind fucking yourself. Yeah, you're opening
Speaker 4: up more demons in your mind, so that shit eventually
Speaker 4: can take you now to thinking you've got to do
Speaker 4: this sick shit five years from now, when you started
Speaker 4: off doing some dumb shit thinking it was cool to
Speaker 4: now you're just fucking mistaking everything for just being vile.
Speaker 4: Even if you're reading a Grimmaile that's supposed to be enlightening.
Speaker 4: Somehow you're gonna fuck that off.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, I asked you this a while back.
Speaker 2: When it comes to at least the magic that you
Speaker 2: were exposed to, right, the practical magic and all the things. Here,
Speaker 2: you were saying that no matter what you are attempting
Speaker 2: to achieve, no matter what you're doing, you're having to
Speaker 2: give something. You're having to sacrifice something. And I don't
Speaker 2: mean like sacrificing a chicken. I'm not in that roobble,
Speaker 2: but essentially you have to have some sort of skin
Speaker 2: in the game to get the response that you want,
Speaker 2: correct So, and I even gave the example, if I
Speaker 2: remember correctly, Let's say your mom has like stage four
Speaker 2: cancer and you're trying to do a spell to heal her,
Speaker 2: with this being an inherently good thing, and you even
Speaker 2: thought about it, and you're like no, because either way
Speaker 2: you slice it, you're giving something to this to make
Speaker 2: it happen, and it's for your own selfish intent, So
Speaker 2: it's it's gotta be inherently bad.
Speaker 3: Did I get that about right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Like for me, I wouldn't even do a ritual or
Speaker 4: a spell for that. I just pray and as God
Speaker 4: to fucking help the person. I mean, yeah, he looks
Speaker 4: Besides that, I'm just again I'm opposing. I let's just
Speaker 4: keep it real. I'm just gonna I would look at
Speaker 4: it this way. Let's say, if it's even my own mother,
Speaker 4: I don't want it to get sick and die, just
Speaker 4: in my own fucking reason, selfish reasons, because I don't
Speaker 4: want to lose my mother, right, So this isn't even authentic.
Speaker 4: I want to maipulate the situation for me, not totally
Speaker 4: for her. Again, It's just my whole point is on
Speaker 4: the black magic. Unless I am trying to have an
Speaker 4: experience with God, everything else, trying to control the outside
Speaker 4: of me is all black magic.
Speaker 2: Did you feel that way when you were with the
Speaker 2: OTO or is this a more modern revelation.
Speaker 4: That way when I had a magical experience and then
Speaker 4: I left the OTO?
Speaker 2: After that you had a magical experience and then decided
Speaker 2: you were done?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I just didn't think that that place emulated
Speaker 4: what I was looking for, where I was going and
Speaker 4: the experience.
Speaker 1: I had got you.
Speaker 4: I mean I was I was no, uh, I was
Speaker 4: hold on, I was going with That's all you took
Speaker 4: me over real quick. I was never going to be
Speaker 4: I was never going to be a for lifer to
Speaker 4: begin with. And then once I heard those stipulations, I
Speaker 4: already knew like, well, now it's a dumbed tail because.
Speaker 1: I'm fuck out of here.
Speaker 4: And even even that after the fourth degree, the fifth
Speaker 4: degree you have to be asked to go up to.
Speaker 4: You can only petition to the fourth so after that
Speaker 4: you had to be part of some click.
Speaker 1: And I even realized I wouldn't think.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to have to give a part of
Speaker 4: all that, because now I would think that certain mind
Speaker 4: frames or agendas this and that, you know, probably gets interesting.
Speaker 4: That's another thing if you're a perfective magician at four.
Speaker 4: But the fox after that, uh, you know, very interesting.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I never thought I was going to stay.
Speaker 1: Anyway, you know what I'm saying, Like it was never
Speaker 1: going to be a career like life.
Speaker 4: You say the experience, yeah, but my experience definitely after that,
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm fucking out of here.
Speaker 3: So you say that you're now right.
Speaker 1: No, No, I would consider myself still an ocultist.
Speaker 2: But you are also using the term god a lot,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean, you do identify as a there
Speaker 2: is a creator, oh yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 6: A single creator or like multiple creators.
Speaker 1: I think all those other things are fucking fake.
Speaker 6: So you think there is one entity that is the creator.
Speaker 4: And everything else is like this, it's a timeline between
Speaker 4: me and my soul as Oh god, it'd be so
Speaker 4: hard to explain it, dull archetypes for just I think
Speaker 4: different things, none of them are actually real. That's even
Speaker 4: a thing I say on my own show. I don't
Speaker 4: believe in these gods, actually don't. So the only I
Speaker 4: believe in is the one, the source.
Speaker 1: Everything.
Speaker 4: Everything after that is just some made up fairy tale
Speaker 4: to try to explain something very hard to understand.
Speaker 3: So which god?
Speaker 2: And I understand that you don't get down with like religion,
Speaker 2: But if you had to point out a religion that
Speaker 2: deity is the closest to what you deem to be
Speaker 2: the creator, who's got it the closest?
Speaker 4: I mean, I was, just to be honest, I was
Speaker 4: growing up to be like Christian and Catholic anyway, So
Speaker 4: I mean heavily that that's side regardless.
Speaker 3: So the Abrahamic God do you think is probably close
Speaker 3: to Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, I can also understand, like just the way I
Speaker 4: look at Moses and Jesus too. They interested me.
Speaker 5: You should read the book that we're reading for the Cult,
Speaker 5: How Jesus Became God.
Speaker 6: You might like it. It's an interesting book, got Die.
Speaker 2: It doesn't talk about Jesus being the son of God
Speaker 2: to talks about.
Speaker 5: About divinity a lot, and like how he how he
Speaker 5: became divine, and at least.
Speaker 3: In the culture is like geist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well, that's just sacrifice. I think every Magisian
Speaker 4: actually has to give up. You're gonna have to give
Speaker 4: up the flesh. I think you have to die. You
Speaker 4: have to have an nde almost like a shamanic experience.
Speaker 4: I do believe that from crossing the Abyss, from the
Speaker 4: experiences I've had that Flatliners, that movie flat Liners is
Speaker 4: very real.
Speaker 5: Wow, you might like the guy that we had on
Speaker 5: the Shaman that we just had on recently.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was interesting. He was an interesting dude.
Speaker 3: Check him out, Joe Safer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think that's part of it. He's even
Speaker 4: technically a biopiity. That's part of the blood sacrifice. You're
Speaker 4: leaving behind your body, you're giving up the blood, you're
Speaker 4: going into spirit.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: We also had another guy on the show who is
Speaker 2: a professional sacrificer. He has a ninety nine percent success rate.
Speaker 2: He gets paid really well, according to his own admission here,
Speaker 2: and he's not affiliate with the OTO or any of
Speaker 2: these things. He claims that he is performing sacrifices to demons.
Speaker 2: He claims angels too, but he's he got really weird
Speaker 2: about those questions.
Speaker 3: But he is very people aroundist. People are animals, animals, uh.
Speaker 2: He also, you know, depends on what you're asking for,
Speaker 2: will depend on if it's a chicken or if it's
Speaker 2: a goat, or if it's a cow or whatever.
Speaker 1: The fuck That doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, the bigger the ask the bigger the sacrifice.
Speaker 2: And he's got a whole thing he does.
Speaker 4: If you could, if you could write it the right way,
Speaker 4: you can probably do that on Etsy, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: That's how fucking pathetic.
Speaker 5: No, what.
Speaker 1: Witches out there? Sorts of spells made for it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can get little like actual hand scrolls of spells.
Speaker 6: You can get all sorts of stuff written.
Speaker 4: And like just you know, putting up dumb shits like
Speaker 4: people people something like you're fucking stupid.
Speaker 1: He can't take that and think it works.
Speaker 2: So this dude again has a ninety nine percent success
Speaker 2: rate and he's making a killing like thousands.
Speaker 1: Sacrifice that I wouldn't doubt. I would not doubt that.
Speaker 2: So my my question is, do you think he's actually
Speaker 2: speaking to or sacrificing to actual demons or do you
Speaker 2: think this is more in the realm of uh, you know,
Speaker 2: as a placebo effect and these people are spending all
Speaker 2: this money and he's killing an animal and things are
Speaker 2: working for him, but it's not because of the thing.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, if the guy's just a good scam honest,
Speaker 4: it could be placebo. But I would also say that
Speaker 4: there could be actually, like I don't know, I think
Speaker 4: when you start getting into shit like that, a lot
Speaker 4: of energetic release trauma, even where the person's mindset is
Speaker 4: that's doing the ritual uh, I just think gave it
Speaker 4: all that, like you could even start to just create
Speaker 4: something awful. Yeah, you know, like even like I do
Speaker 4: believe like some Polta guys could be created by the
Speaker 4: person having the experience. You know, I wonder like, could
Speaker 4: you don't think of that in a ritualistic sense, in
Speaker 4: something negative? You know, I do wonder if, like, you know,
Speaker 4: just the person doing the ritual, the killing, the releasing
Speaker 4: of the spirit, spilled blood, you know, all sorts of
Speaker 4: you know, shit, who knows what the fuck's going on
Speaker 4: scientifically as well, and.
Speaker 3: Then burning it afterwards as well the ash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just so I wouldn't doubt that.
Speaker 4: I mean, just like the mindset that that person might
Speaker 4: be into just who knows what kind of energy is
Speaker 4: already being like, I don't know, you know what I'm
Speaker 4: getting at right, No, I do.
Speaker 1: Knows.
Speaker 5: I was thinking about this because we were all raised
Speaker 5: Christian or Catholic, the both of you. I find it
Speaker 5: really interesting that when people are raised in any type
Speaker 5: of religion, they inherently kind of like go back to
Speaker 5: that religion. Because there's a big question about that is
Speaker 5: that it's been ingrained in us to the point where
Speaker 5: it's like brainwashed almost, that like, even if you try
Speaker 5: to escape it, you end up coming back to it
Speaker 5: because it's something that you grew up with, and that
Speaker 5: it's all of your core memories and all of these
Speaker 5: things are already embedded into that. Do you believe that
Speaker 5: that's kind of a thing or do you feel like
Speaker 5: because of your experiences, you drew back because that was
Speaker 5: what's safety, and that's what was safe to you when
Speaker 5: you were younger, and that's where you kind of like
Speaker 5: have formed a new type of way of going about this.
Speaker 1: No, I totally, I totally think a lot of people
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 4: I myself could be easily probably switch right over to Catholicism,
Speaker 4: maybe Christianity after my experience, easily Catholicism. It's so ritualistic,
Speaker 4: it's saw a huge value. That's one thing. I will
Speaker 4: even say, the story of Jesus and what little like
Speaker 4: do you know by the Bible.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say no much in that that.
Speaker 4: Old stuff actually hits me a lot harder and it
Speaker 4: is a lot more beautiful to me since my experience
Speaker 4: with magic. I actually like I give that book a
Speaker 4: lot more credit than I used to do in the past,
Speaker 4: believe it or not. So I can see it being
Speaker 4: very easy for me after my experience, to do that.
Speaker 4: And I do think like other people like I'm going
Speaker 4: to just use him as example, Kanye West's occultist, and
Speaker 4: it's easy for him to identify Christianity or whatever he's
Speaker 4: doing throwing out the cross prior beliefs and then his
Speaker 4: experience and probably seeing maybe the esoteric side of that
Speaker 4: and being able to resonate with it.
Speaker 1: So that's why he doesn't.
Speaker 4: That's why you get like, I think a lot of
Speaker 4: like I'll just use Trumpets his examples.
Speaker 1: He's got all these bitches around them.
Speaker 4: They always got crosses on, you know, all these people
Speaker 4: like to supposedly Christians or whatever. I do question if
Speaker 4: they're more of like mystics or gnostics and they're just
Speaker 4: claim Christians. Sure, but it's a you know, it's an
Speaker 4: easy it's an easy thing for them to emunilate in
Speaker 4: the public that they still can identify with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so I do.
Speaker 4: Think a lot of people, a lot of people even
Speaker 4: do that in the occult community that are in the public.
Speaker 4: I do think like that's another thing, like while in
Speaker 4: my opinion, I think a lot of people that claim
Speaker 4: Jews if they're even really a Jew, I think a
Speaker 4: lot of them might be just Kabbalistics, people in the Kabbala,
Speaker 4: more of the hermetic kabala.
Speaker 1: And then just say it's easy to say I'm fucking Jewish.
Speaker 4: Because if you're heavily into that, you probably know more
Speaker 4: about that fucking religion than that or normal jew even
Speaker 4: with anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I'm not mistaken your eye even we are
Speaker 2: going to be having an episode on the Kabbala here soon.
Speaker 2: Our resident Jewish correspondent has been doing some studying up
Speaker 2: on it. He said, Bro, there's probably gonna be a two,
Speaker 2: if not three part like.
Speaker 4: Your situation somebody on. I'll come on and talk shit
Speaker 4: about that all day, dude, That's all I was. That's
Speaker 4: all I'm about.
Speaker 2: Is so I would love to hear from him as
Speaker 2: a Jewish person. Then from us.
Speaker 4: He would probably hate mine because it's trumetic and I
Speaker 4: feel like he's a.
Speaker 5: Orthodox so oh yeah, no, No, he's performed conform Okay.
Speaker 3: I thought he he was like he doesn't have the curlyes.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I thought he was like right below them.
Speaker 4: So now his ship will probably be if you have
Speaker 4: you have you listened to him yet?
Speaker 2: So he is a cult member of ours, I'm sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's he's a cult member of ours. He is on
Speaker 2: every Patreon live that we do. He's a homie.
Speaker 4: Gonna be some deep ship because if it's actually more
Speaker 4: of like real Kabbala special, it would be surprised how
Speaker 4: much it's actually trying to understand the creation of God.
Speaker 3: And so according to him, we've talked about this as well.
Speaker 2: So many orders and so many organizations claim that they're
Speaker 2: cabolistic and they are taking maybe a section of it
Speaker 2: and misquoting it and misunderstanding and all these things. From
Speaker 2: what he told me, He's like, dude, this is not
Speaker 2: anything of some sort of crazy occult magic and ritual
Speaker 2: in this tree of life.
Speaker 1: Oh, that would be hermeticabala. He's totally right, exactly.
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering what the differences are between Hebrew Kabbalistic
Speaker 2: teachings and Hermetic Cobolistic teachings because a lot of people
Speaker 2: think that these are one and the same.
Speaker 1: No, they're actually not totally right.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, this would be like I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: all the Hebrew and everything, all these it's much more
Speaker 4: on like you know, coming into existence, angels, different densities
Speaker 4: of like you know, the soul and all this crazy shit.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 4: I mean, I would still go along with the hermetic Kabalah,
Speaker 4: but then it will like attribute like on the Tree
Speaker 4: of Life, there'll be spheres that match certain uh you know,
Speaker 4: words in Hebrew or whatever be nah, chokma to mean
Speaker 4: certain things, wisdom, understanding, cather diifferent. You get all these
Speaker 4: these spheres and then like their Medica Balla will now
Speaker 4: like I'll attribute Saturn to Banah, you know, or the
Speaker 4: Sun will go with Differat, or Goodbor will get Mars,
Speaker 4: you know, like you'll start attributing that. Then you might
Speaker 4: attribute like certain archangels to those. Now you might attribute
Speaker 4: certain gods, you know, elements. Yeah, that's when you start
Speaker 4: throwing all that in there. That's all extra that, you know,
Speaker 4: that's that would be the Medica balla. All those spheres
Speaker 4: would have all these different things that is attributed to
Speaker 4: it that is not originally.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and that's again, I feel like so many
Speaker 2: people misunderstand that these are two separate things.
Speaker 3: And oh yeah, yeah, it's I think it'll be a
Speaker 3: fun episode when the time comes.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: I think that's great if you're getting actually somebody to
Speaker 4: come on, I have traditional deal. I think that's great
Speaker 4: because most people, I think will be very surprised.
Speaker 2: We want to get people on that are about certain traditions.
Speaker 2: We have a Santa Ria homie, I would he won't
Speaker 2: tell us about a lot. He told us a little
Speaker 2: bit about his walk with it and certain rituals that
Speaker 2: he does every day, but he doesn't really go into
Speaker 2: depth on it. And apparently his patrona PATRONI he's godfather,
Speaker 2: whatever the word is patron. I don't speak the Spanish,
Speaker 2: but anyway, he is in New Orleans, and apparently New
Speaker 2: Orleans is a pretty big Santo Ria community as well
Speaker 2: as a Haitian voodoo community. I would love to get
Speaker 2: a real, not internet, a real voodoo practitioner on the show,
Speaker 2: just to ask him questions.
Speaker 6: Come on, oh, I.
Speaker 4: Could probably get Oh, I could get you somebody probably
Speaker 4: both really my show for recently, Yeah check out, yeah,
Speaker 4: my show will Yeah, I actually get a lot basically
Speaker 4: the list months has been at practicing.
Speaker 3: I call this god damn hell.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 4: A lot of them authors are actually like so, yeah,
Speaker 4: if there's anybody ever on there, man, just let me know.
Speaker 1: I'll give you their content.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I like I like the authors because like then
Speaker 5: you can actually like go in detail. Yeah, yep, that's
Speaker 5: I didn't actually know about the jew different.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 5: I don't know you would to talk about somebody that
Speaker 5: has enough rituals though the last freaking lifetime.
Speaker 6: Every damn rule they have. There are so many rules.
Speaker 3: Oh the Jews, Yes, yeah, they do.
Speaker 5: Every time he tells us new rules, I'm like, bro, what, like,
Speaker 5: what's the point of even living at this point? You
Speaker 5: can't do anything. You can't eat, you can't dress it
Speaker 5: any way. You have to do all of these things.
Speaker 2: Like can't eat meat and cheese on the same sandwich
Speaker 2: because that's fucking blast.
Speaker 5: You can't have a bloody steak. You can't have anything
Speaker 5: with blood, Like I can't get over that. By the way,
Speaker 5: I have not let that one go.
Speaker 6: The whole left shoe thing, and they're in the all
Speaker 6: the different things.
Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, I would fail in the first five
Speaker 5: minutes of trying to even be a Jew if I
Speaker 5: was like if I was a man and having to
Speaker 5: be a now, I just like, there's no way.
Speaker 6: It's just I'm dead. That's it. If there was like
Speaker 6: your death or you have to follow these rules, well
Speaker 6: it was a good ride. I'm out, there's no die.
Speaker 5: Being extra dramatic right now, but I mean super dramatic
Speaker 5: with it. But I've told this story as many times.
Speaker 5: I was like, no, there's no way I could not
Speaker 5: handle all the rules.
Speaker 6: That's no.
Speaker 5: I want to be out in the wild, running, running free.
Speaker 5: That's what I want to be.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 4: Do you know one thing I do want to bring
Speaker 4: up that I realized, like it's just something that I've
Speaker 4: noticed too recently, and I was kind of coming out
Speaker 4: of the lit field. I think because we're talking about
Speaker 4: Cabala and then we're talking about, like, you know, other things,
Speaker 4: you might notice it because like you've looked at I
Speaker 4: guess you seem like you might be hip to some
Speaker 4: of alchemy. A lot of this stuff actually comes out
Speaker 4: of the Middle East.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I mean, yeah, that makes sense, right.
Speaker 2: So alchemy, the first book of alchemy we have comes
Speaker 2: from ancient Egypt, and it was essentially it There was
Speaker 2: no spirituality in it whatsoever.
Speaker 3: There was no ether. It was essentially how to do
Speaker 3: plating of metals.
Speaker 2: You would take a spoon that is silver in color,
Speaker 2: dip it in this liquid and it would come out
Speaker 2: gold in color. And they're like, they turned a base
Speaker 2: metal to gold. No, No, they just plated it with copper.
Speaker 2: But it was a chemical plating, and unless you knew
Speaker 2: what the fuck you were doing, that seems like magic.
Speaker 2: In reality, that was what we would call chemistry, second, third,
Speaker 2: fourth alchemy books to ever be written a lot of it.
Speaker 2: Even when I was were talking about Marry the Jewish
Speaker 2: or Maria, and I don't remember her last name, I
Speaker 2: don't speak Hebrew, but around the first century AD she was.
Speaker 3: She was the mother of.
Speaker 2: Alchemy as we know it today. And she's also how
Speaker 2: we got distillation. And if you look at her texts
Speaker 2: about divine feminine and divine masculine and how these two things,
Speaker 2: when blended in the right proportions, makes the ultimate purifying
Speaker 2: factor in these things. If we put that alongside a
Speaker 2: chemical equation of today. She was talking about acids and
Speaker 2: bases and how when you blend those you get a salt,
Speaker 2: which they used to purify things and to you know,
Speaker 2: keep meat for longer and things like that. It was
Speaker 2: never meant to be an actual thing that we like,
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm a divine masculine incarnate, Now the fuck
Speaker 2: you're not. That's what we would call acid, a divine
Speaker 2: feminine you mean a base? What are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: But that's the thing they were using it.
Speaker 5: They're using that song pop right in my head and
Speaker 5: I was like, hmm, let's.
Speaker 2: They were using certain terms and certain phrases to make
Speaker 2: it more poetic, because that's how people wrote back then.
Speaker 2: And unless you were an initiate, or let me rephrase
Speaker 2: that sentence, unless you were educated on how to read this,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know what the fuck you were talking about.
Speaker 2: So then right, and then cut to the Middle Ages
Speaker 2: or the Renaissance or any time when these people are
Speaker 2: reading this, this text from a thousand years ago, and
Speaker 2: they're saying, oh, look, it's the blending of this and
Speaker 2: the blending of this. It's like, no, no, dude, that
Speaker 2: was just that was chemistry. You're doing the same thing today,
Speaker 2: but you're just using different in terms for it. It's
Speaker 2: only from a certain perspective and a certain technological vantage point.
Speaker 2: They were able to look at a lot of these
Speaker 2: alchemical texts alongside what we know as chemical equations these
Speaker 2: days and see, oh, so that's what that was. It
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with spirit cooking. It had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with achieving some sort of an enlightened state.
Speaker 2: It was about becoming a better scientist. At least that's
Speaker 2: my take. A lot of people disagree with me on
Speaker 2: that one. But I've done a very deep amount of research.
Speaker 6: In alchemy to dig more details.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what I wanted to get at is that
Speaker 4: like I don't think like whatever, we're always like looking
Speaker 4: at occultism, like even for myself, even looking looking for
Speaker 4: the negative, because I do look at it obviously, I
Speaker 4: think that's what's fucking all the propaganda and everything on
Speaker 4: the TV.
Speaker 1: As a little fucking occultism and shit.
Speaker 4: But like it's always like like either Cabbala or Judaism
Speaker 4: or like even for me, I do know people who
Speaker 4: are Christians or Catholics and they practice their own versions
Speaker 4: of magic.
Speaker 1: You never really hear about the isla.
Speaker 4: So it is like, you know, is that like part
Speaker 4: of the equation that we're missing, that we don't understand
Speaker 4: what the fuck's going on because we're not really paying attention.
Speaker 2: So they got a couple of Islamic groups that are
Speaker 2: practicing what we might call occultism. So butshar al Assad
Speaker 2: he was a part of the Alla white Muslim sect.
Speaker 2: They are seen as the mystics and some might say
Speaker 2: the occultists of Islam. Uh, there's another group.
Speaker 3: Fuck, I forget what they're called, but they they are
Speaker 3: Muslim although they worship John the Baptist as they're like
Speaker 3: prime dude.
Speaker 2: They believe in baptizing themselves once a week. They have
Speaker 2: a very strict policy. It's something that you are. You
Speaker 2: can't convert to it, you have to be born into It.
Speaker 3: Starts as a d It's not drus, it's it's something else.
Speaker 3: And this is gonna piss me off.
Speaker 2: But they are also seen as an occultic group than Islam.
Speaker 3: They worshiped John the Baptist like he's their guy. Like, no,
Speaker 3: they have God. They called they got Allah.
Speaker 1: But Templars did that too, didn't they.
Speaker 3: The Templars would get baptized before they would take their initiation.
Speaker 2: But I mean, to be honest with you, they also
Speaker 2: believed in uh, well, they would take a bath. It
Speaker 2: wouldn't technically be considered baptism. But I mean, even depending
Speaker 2: on which section of the Middle Ages you're talking about,
Speaker 2: a couple that was about to get married would go
Speaker 2: to confession and get rebaptized because apparently.
Speaker 3: You know, that was not enough at their birth or whatever.
Speaker 1: No, this is the one. The mandy Aians.
Speaker 4: So they put like John the bat They thought they
Speaker 4: had John the Baptist head on his stick, right.
Speaker 2: They claim that there is little to no evidence that
Speaker 2: they actually did that. When the templars are getting shot well,
Speaker 2: I was gonna say shot down, that's not accurate. When
Speaker 2: the templars were getting uh tortured and all these things
Speaker 2: is because they they created the first international bank, right,
Speaker 2: and they were funding whole crusades and whole kingdoms. They
Speaker 2: propped up the king of France for years and years
Speaker 2: and years, and then finally came to collect and old
Speaker 2: King Philip the Second, if I'm not mistaken, when they
Speaker 2: came to collect, he instead of paying his debt. Bless
Speaker 2: you by the way, he instead of paying his debt,
Speaker 2: he decided to go to the pope and say he
Speaker 2: caught some of these dudes doing some horrible shit. The
Speaker 2: Pope was kind of tired of the fact that they
Speaker 2: were getting more powerful than the Catholic Church, so they
Speaker 2: pretty much just brought them all in on charges of
Speaker 2: everything from spinning on the cross to ask fucking each
Speaker 2: other to worshiping John the Baptist.
Speaker 3: They threw out every.
Speaker 2: Single like most insane crime you could think of, and
Speaker 2: then after a year of medieval torture, finally these dudes
Speaker 2: just agreed to make the fucking torture stop and be
Speaker 2: burned at the stake.
Speaker 3: That's essentially what happened there.
Speaker 1: Yo, I ran.
Speaker 4: Into Uh there was the thing. I went to a
Speaker 4: cool cosmic summer. It was causing some twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: and the Knights Templar were there. Timothy Hogan was asked
Speaker 4: Scott Walter, they were open Templars and they're being a
Speaker 4: part of the Masons, and jo, you craziest shit man.
Speaker 4: This is gonna blow my mind if they even pulled
Speaker 4: this off. They were saying then that they have proof.
Speaker 4: They deciphered some sort of fucking tablet that has brought
Speaker 4: them discertain areas in the United States where they swear
Speaker 4: that they have one I think of six or seven arcs.
Speaker 4: They believe there's more than one arc. They have one
Speaker 4: of them, and they have the bones of Jesus and
Speaker 4: Mary and Child, and they said within the next few
Speaker 4: years that that should be coming out to the public.
Speaker 2: So the multiple arcs thing, that's accurate. They're historically speaking,
Speaker 2: there was more than one. The bones of Mary, maybe
Speaker 2: the bones of Jesus. That goes directly in the face
Speaker 2: of even if they are talking about Christian esotericism that
Speaker 2: flies in the face of that.
Speaker 4: So all right, I think me and jury so might
Speaker 4: have covered this. It might have been on your show too,
Speaker 4: And see this is something. As I was sitting there
Speaker 4: listening to them say this, I started thinking about this
Speaker 4: topic we covered on your show. I think it was
Speaker 4: we were trying to show how freemason we were trying
Speaker 4: to influence the Catholic Church. And there was a letter
Speaker 4: between Freemasons where they said, like, you know, talking about
Speaker 4: how to actually bring in the new World order. It
Speaker 4: was all this stuff and like war, which is going
Speaker 4: on right now is one of them. And they said
Speaker 4: that in order to now to infiltrate religion, we would
Speaker 4: have to come out with something basically that would change
Speaker 4: religious thought to the to the point where like even
Speaker 4: people who were atheists or agnostics even would probably change
Speaker 4: their mind because something would be physically handed to it.
Speaker 4: It was almost like, now you'll get people who didn't
Speaker 4: believe to believe in something, and then get other people
Speaker 4: who believed in something to possibly.
Speaker 1: Change their mind because there's proof of it.
Speaker 4: And I think my opinion, if they do try to
Speaker 4: present this, I do think this is a way of
Speaker 4: playing that off, because now if you have physical proof,
Speaker 4: you'll get some people might be like, all right, this
Speaker 4: shit might be real. Holy fuck, maybe Jesus was real,
Speaker 4: And then you might get some people. I just you know,
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you see where we're going with this. I
Speaker 4: do wonder the sigh up in itself.
Speaker 2: So as far as the whole Jesus being a real thing,
Speaker 2: even the most atheistic scholars have to agree that this
Speaker 2: dude named Yashiah, who lived in Nazareth around the turn
Speaker 2: of the Common Era, lived was crucified under Pontius Pilot,
Speaker 2: their governor Judea, And there is hundreds of eyewitnesses that
Speaker 2: claim that he rose from the dead.
Speaker 4: And to say, there's some people who deny that total
Speaker 4: truth to it, might believe it now with physical proof.
Speaker 2: Well, even if nothing else is the shroud of touring.
Speaker 2: And I've heard so many people say, oh, well that's
Speaker 2: a forgery.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 2: If that's a forgery, then these people in the thirteen
Speaker 2: hundreds had to be so smart that they knew that
Speaker 2: one day they would be able to test the soil
Speaker 2: samples from Jerusalem, and they made sure to go douse
Speaker 2: it on some of that that is there's no way,
Speaker 2: that's a forgery. That's not even a one in a
Speaker 2: million shot. We're talking about a one in quintillion shot
Speaker 2: of it being a forgery.
Speaker 3: So like whatever.
Speaker 2: But aside from that, the historical background to Jesus, he
Speaker 2: absolutely was a real person who did certain things. Now
Speaker 2: was he the son of God? That's where the ounce
Speaker 2: of faith has to come in all these things. But
Speaker 2: for the templars who are claiming that there were, let
Speaker 2: me rephrase what I'm about to say.
Speaker 3: The Masonic Order.
Speaker 2: That claimed that they are templars, there's a little bit
Speaker 2: of a historical hiccup that they overlook, even though they're
Speaker 2: the ones that hold the key to it. So last
Speaker 2: grand master of the Knights Templars was a dude named
Speaker 2: Jacques de Morlet. Right, he was burned at the stake,
Speaker 2: and as he was burning, he cursed the Pope and
Speaker 2: the King of France and said, before a year's time,
Speaker 2: I will see you both before a tribunal before God.
Speaker 2: Both of them died within a year, So that was
Speaker 2: a thing that happened, right, all right?
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: His next in line was this dude named Larminius, and
Speaker 2: Larminius wrote a charter and it's called Larmini's Charter, where
Speaker 2: he basically was sending this out to all Templars worldwide
Speaker 2: that were in hiding now and he was telling them,
Speaker 2: here's how we're going to operate moving forward. He also
Speaker 2: within this charter made a mention of this group in
Speaker 2: Scotland who are claiming to be Templars but do not
Speaker 2: hold true to our ethos. Essentially, what he was saying
Speaker 2: is this group in Scotland are rocking our logo, but
Speaker 2: they're doing some occultic and evil shit, this Scottish group.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of the Sinclair Chapel? No? Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 3: you've seen angels and demons or you've seen the Da
Speaker 3: Vinci Code. Yes, yes, that chapel is a real place
Speaker 3: where you can see Templar symbolism, Kabbalistic symbolism, and Freemason symbolism,
Speaker 3: all this one spot. We would now call this group
Speaker 3: what would later become the Scottish and then York Right
Speaker 3: of the Freemasons, who claim that they are the descendants
Speaker 3: of the true Templars, when in reality that Larminius Charter,
Speaker 3: which is housed in the Grand Lodge of the International Freemasons,
Speaker 3: it's in London, right this charter is there, it's in
Speaker 3: it's underglass the whole thing. That charter specifically says that
Speaker 3: these groups that are now Freemasons are not true Templars,
Speaker 3: but they blasted to show their lineage somehow. It blows
Speaker 3: my mind.
Speaker 2: The true Templars are from Portugal because Portugal is a
Speaker 2: safe haven for the Templars when all other nations in
Speaker 2: Europe basically ousted them and called them heretics. So if
Speaker 2: there's a Templar organization that is from Portugal from the
Speaker 2: thirteen and fourteen hundreds, you have my attention. Other than that,
Speaker 2: all the other groups are pretenders honestly.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Well it's still the reason. It's they're
Speaker 1: inside the Freemasons.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 2: The Freemasons took a lot of their iconography and they
Speaker 2: tried to use that to claim that that's some sort
Speaker 2: of a lineage of theirs. The Freemasons have their lineage,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, which it's the same as like
Speaker 2: the Shriners. They claim that their lineage goes back to
Speaker 2: ancient Egypt. Brother, No, ancient Egypt did not call themselves
Speaker 2: free Masons. Now, yes, you're talking about the Builders of
Speaker 2: the Great Pyramid and these stone Masons.
Speaker 3: Sure absolutely, If anything we're talking.
Speaker 2: About Stone Mason's Guild that had craft secrets or things
Speaker 2: like that, Sure, but it's not. It's not to the
Speaker 2: esoteric thing that the Freemasons that we know of as today,
Speaker 2: and it's there's a they, it's they took a little
Speaker 2: bit from here, a little bit from there, and it
Speaker 2: became a giant secret networking group.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of what it is today.
Speaker 2: Ninety nine percent of the Freemasons are not evil dudes
Speaker 2: doing a cult shit. They're mostly dudes that are getting
Speaker 2: together for their fundraising events, doing charity shit to get
Speaker 2: away from the wives and drink some scotches.
Speaker 1: Smokes some with the boys.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's not that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, but so.
Speaker 4: I just when I saw that, I just I found
Speaker 4: that very sketchy. That whole story just that made me
Speaker 4: uneasy to.
Speaker 2: Change it's and and even still as far as the
Speaker 2: Catholics are concerned, at the Vatican two, they made it
Speaker 2: to where if you are a Catholic and you're also
Speaker 2: a Freemason, you are hereby excommunicated from the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: And that also kills me.
Speaker 2: Whenever we hear, especially in the conspiracy world, they'll say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know the Jesuit, Freemason, Zionistic approach, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you understand, those three groups fucking hate each other and
Speaker 2: have been at war with each other for centuries, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be that guy.
Speaker 1: I know that dude.
Speaker 4: Do you know how many times they'll just be like
Speaker 4: going through social media and like the certain like phrases
Speaker 4: of hit words that people mismatched together. Yeah, something sound
Speaker 4: like it's so definite or so serious and just like
Speaker 4: tudor zero fucking clue, what the fuck you just said?
Speaker 4: You're like, this sounds good in my head.
Speaker 1: You know, you just fucking spin it up. I know what.
Speaker 2: Those three organizations, if we're talking about them as individual groups, Oh,
Speaker 2: there's tons of conspiratorial shit there. The Zionists, the ultra Zionists,
Speaker 2: I should say, the Jesuit Order, oh one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: and then of course the Freemasons. We could go on
Speaker 2: and on about those three individually. To say that there's
Speaker 2: a dude or even a secret cabal of all three
Speaker 2: of them that are somehow in kahoots, it's like, you understand,
Speaker 2: that's like saying America, North Korea, and Iran are all
Speaker 2: in kahoots together, you know that American, North Korean, Iranian
Speaker 2: intel guy. And it's like that, No, what, you're not
Speaker 2: going to have a president of all three of those
Speaker 2: countries or some sort of a plug for all three.
Speaker 4: That's not Yeah, maybe in propaganda, but I don't think
Speaker 4: like any other way.
Speaker 2: Exactly now, I mean, circling back to Epstein, everybody claims
Speaker 2: that he was a Mussad asset, and he absolutely was,
Speaker 2: for sure, but please understand he was an asset for
Speaker 2: like eighteen countries.
Speaker 3: He wasn't just Israeli. It wasn't just American. How Norway
Speaker 3: and China and Russia and France and multiple European countries
Speaker 3: are all using him to get blackmail on people.
Speaker 4: Yet I mean, I also think people also forget a
Speaker 4: little bit too about how important his lane and her
Speaker 4: father was.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh wonder what was.
Speaker 4: Going on over there with like spying, you know again blackmail,
Speaker 4: but like even her father ran the academic and the
Speaker 4: yo we were you and me probably read books that
Speaker 4: her fallow had published in our schools.
Speaker 1: McGraw hill, dude, Yeah, McGraw hill and McMillan man yep.
Speaker 2: I was just talking to my brother in law about that,
Speaker 2: and he he didn't really know that, and it's like, yo, dude,
Speaker 2: it's this goes way deeper than what most people really understand.
Speaker 2: And finally we're at a point where people are they're
Speaker 2: almost ready to have this conversation.
Speaker 6: But she sold the company though.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so if you look at the publication though, they
Speaker 5: sold the companies and it hasn't been in circulation since
Speaker 5: the seventies.
Speaker 3: So McGraw hill.
Speaker 5: So McGraw hill the company itself has been around, yes,
Speaker 5: but the publications that he would have had a hand
Speaker 5: in hadn't been happening since the late seventies. And actually
Speaker 5: looked into it more because they actually had to release
Speaker 5: a statement about it. And then I actually backtracked and
Speaker 5: read through the history of.
Speaker 6: The books themselves.
Speaker 5: Technically, probably like our parents and maybe some of some
Speaker 5: of a little bit older had at least some books
Speaker 5: of course, like because my middle school was a super
Speaker 5: little old school church that's like over one hundred years old,
Speaker 5: and so like they had old school books and things
Speaker 5: like that, So I'm sure that some of those publications
Speaker 5: were in there.
Speaker 2: I put it like this, the books that were teaching
Speaker 2: people that blood was actually blue until it hit oxygen
Speaker 2: and then it would read I'm just going to throw
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 6: I remember that too. I believe that. I believe that
Speaker 6: it was like.
Speaker 2: The Magic school Bus had it on the television in
Speaker 2: the nineties. That was an understood fract.
Speaker 5: Magic school Bus taught us a lot of things. So
Speaker 5: almost have you heard that theory about the blue blood?
Speaker 3: That's yeah, it's not accurate.
Speaker 5: I meant, like, have you heard about like the timeline
Speaker 5: shift and how like apparently we did actually have blue blood?
Speaker 3: Oh shut up at one point.
Speaker 6: And there's like a whole thing about this the royals did.
Speaker 5: Okay, we all had like we all were taught these
Speaker 5: things and everything like that. But I'm like, I had
Speaker 5: my blood drawn over and over and over again as
Speaker 5: a kid and I never saw and I like, I
Speaker 5: almost cut off my entire finger, and I can tell
Speaker 5: you that, like it was not blue, no blood underneath
Speaker 5: that whole thing. So that by the way, child per
Speaker 5: scissors can cut off fingers. Just to let everyone know, I.
Speaker 2: Mean maybe again, maybe in the eighties and nineties, those
Speaker 2: child per.
Speaker 5: Scissors were child proof I'm just gonna yeah, no, that
Speaker 5: that was one of those times I was like, yep,
Speaker 5: I made a mistake.
Speaker 3: But the point I'm bringing up, as far as the
Speaker 3: blood thing goes, our teachers were taught probably using books
Speaker 3: that Maxwell had a hand in, Oh yeah, for sure,
Speaker 3: and a lot of them didn't. How many teachers are
Speaker 3: re educating themselves. How many of them were.
Speaker 2: Actually just spinning out the curriculum that they agreed upon
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the year and they haven't actually
Speaker 2: opened a book or re educated themselves in years.
Speaker 5: My uncle's been a teacher for fifty years, and I
Speaker 5: will say though that he's incredibly intelligent. He actually just
Speaker 5: sent me more information about more books that he just read.
Speaker 5: I'm a positive at this point that he's read like
Speaker 5: at least ten thousand books in his life, if not more.
Speaker 3: There's exceptions. They're are crazy.
Speaker 5: But he also says that you have to get an
Speaker 5: encyclopedia before nineteen fifty to be able to even see
Speaker 5: the differences in the information, and that if you can
Speaker 5: get one before nineteen fifty is when nineteen fifty two
Speaker 5: is when they really did a big push and started
Speaker 5: removing information.
Speaker 6: He actually has a book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get those pre civil rights books that that's
Speaker 2: when the shift happens.
Speaker 5: Well, so he has he has all sorts of ones,
Speaker 5: like dating back of a really long time. He has
Speaker 5: like one from I think like somewhere in the seventeen
Speaker 5: hundred too or something, and like he can show the
Speaker 5: progression of the narrative change.
Speaker 6: He because he's not super big in conspiracies.
Speaker 5: He's a very logical person and so like to him,
Speaker 5: they conspiracs aren't really a thing because they're not tan.
Speaker 5: But he can prove, though in the sense of a conspiracy,
Speaker 5: that they've changed your education over and over and over again.
Speaker 5: And he's like, and I've been saying this for so long,
Speaker 5: and he's like, you should really get some of these books.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, look, you tell me where to find them.
Speaker 5: And then actually, my mom just became friends with a
Speaker 5: rare book collector and like it's a distributor and all
Speaker 5: this stuff, and I'm like, what hell, I need you
Speaker 5: to help me find some encyclopedias because I want to
Speaker 5: do some I want to actually compare them to each other.
Speaker 5: I have a couple, but they're not here, they're in
Speaker 5: organ but they're from like nineteen oh one.
Speaker 3: This ship with the Epstein files. I wonder if your
Speaker 3: uncle's a little bit more of a conspiracy theorist now, because,
Speaker 3: like you said, it's not tangible.
Speaker 2: A lot of people thought that this ship with Epstein
Speaker 2: just was one of those crazy You mean to tell
Speaker 2: me that these alas.
Speaker 5: That they're I actually haven't talked to My mom talks
Speaker 5: to him more because he's he's a lot older obviously,
Speaker 5: but I know that he sent me things that like
Speaker 5: clips of things lately on like Messenger, and I'm like, huh, okay.
Speaker 5: I mean he pays attention to a lot of geopolitical
Speaker 5: things and all this stuff, and he potentially he likes
Speaker 5: patterns and so he's like, there's things.
Speaker 6: That are happening, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, mm hmmmm, welcome to the conversation.
Speaker 6: Oh, I mean, he's been here.
Speaker 5: I think it's just more or less when you're in
Speaker 5: the academic setting.
Speaker 6: You don't want to be screaming at the top of
Speaker 6: your lungs.
Speaker 5: Everyone reapes these children and eats them and everything is
Speaker 5: a lie.
Speaker 6: Like, I don't think that's going to go over very well.
Speaker 6: It's a lot of these circles.
Speaker 5: Now maybe today, but like, you know, fast backtrack ten years.
Speaker 5: I don't think that would have rolled really well.
Speaker 3: That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1: You're mute and dick. Oh yeah, you can't hear me.
Speaker 3: No, I can't.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, what were we saying? I think he said, yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just sorry.
Speaker 3: That you're good.
Speaker 2: There's more people that are finally opening up to the conversation.
Speaker 2: And we've said this before. COVID did a lot to
Speaker 2: open people's minds to the act that the government actually.
Speaker 3: Doesn't care about you.
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe they hate you, maybe they don't,
Speaker 2: but they certainly are not going to tell you the
Speaker 2: whole story. Now, the whole thing with Epstein coming out,
Speaker 2: it's like, wait a minute, how many people in the
Speaker 2: government are actually evil? And it's like the vast majority,
Speaker 2: Like I'll give.
Speaker 4: Them like random people in there too, like Ellen de generous,
Speaker 4: Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there is fucking wild.
Speaker 6: Do you see that thing that No, I don't know
Speaker 6: if this is tangible or not.
Speaker 5: I have not actually looked, but apparently there's an email
Speaker 5: that states that he ate like seventy pounds of human flesh.
Speaker 6: Who yoh leo, which like it doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 5: Let's be really honest, especially with his whole crazy thing
Speaker 5: about twenty one year olds and everything like that. But
Speaker 5: apparently there is one in there. I will say I
Speaker 5: have started to see people fact check photos and videos.
Speaker 1: Showing that they're actually.
Speaker 5: Yeah, showing that they're fake, and they're like these are
Speaker 5: they're exposing them and stuff. I follow this girl that's
Speaker 5: really she's some type of computer analyst person, and she's
Speaker 5: been breaking down a lot of this stuff, like to
Speaker 5: simple terms on like what you see on the emails
Speaker 5: and like how to backtrack and how to actually find
Speaker 5: the files. So apparently, whatever they did with these photos,
Speaker 5: they've taken them and they've made them incredibly difficult for
Speaker 5: people to find. I was able to see photos, and
Speaker 5: now I haven't been able to find a lot of
Speaker 5: the photos.
Speaker 6: But the people that.
Speaker 5: Are really computer smart, they've been able to reverse engineer
Speaker 5: it and do all of these things and be able
Speaker 5: to slowly start to get the photos back. Whatever they did,
Speaker 5: I don't know, but a lot of there's a lot
Speaker 5: of computer people that are on YouTube and stuff that
Speaker 5: are breaking it down for you to try to help
Speaker 5: you reverse engineer it.
Speaker 6: I just haven't got to that point yet.
Speaker 3: All right, yep, oh shit, he broke it.
Speaker 5: I didn't break it. I didn't break it. I thought
Speaker 5: I broke it, y'all. I was like, ooh, all right,
Speaker 5: me and my glass.
Speaker 6: I have glass. Everything I have like glass jars and
Speaker 6: all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 3: So it's the Pacific Northwesterner and you I get.
Speaker 6: It very much.
Speaker 3: Is it blows my mind?
Speaker 1: Y'all.
Speaker 3: Don't use anything disposable. Y'all have to like be able
Speaker 3: to reuse everything.
Speaker 1: No, you don't.
Speaker 4: Used to be working. I just I don't know what
Speaker 4: made me think of doing this. And I just typed
Speaker 4: it in and it did work. If you go on
Speaker 4: the Epstein files, just type in you know, dot jpg,
Speaker 4: jpeg JPG.
Speaker 1: Yep. But I just fucking pulled up.
Speaker 6: Let's see.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now I'm curious, Raven.
Speaker 1: You can probably even do a PNG. Not those money.
Speaker 2: Well what you said, it did work, and now it's not. No,
Speaker 2: it's a thousand files.
Speaker 5: So I went through hundreds of photos of like naked
Speaker 5: people and people.
Speaker 6: There's no it was just it was just porn.
Speaker 5: It was different types of like porn photos and rumor.
Speaker 5: I told you, like the majority of them looked of age.
Speaker 5: But I like, you know, you didn't really want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to click on again. It doesn't look
Speaker 1: like a lot of porn on it.
Speaker 6: So I think you have to, like I forget what
Speaker 6: you have to do.
Speaker 5: You have to like click them, put them into a
Speaker 5: separate file, and then somehow do you like MP four
Speaker 5: or something, and you're able to They won't work. You
Speaker 5: can't click the shit. Yeah, a lot of them you
Speaker 5: can't click. So there's a lot of actually like hyperlinks
Speaker 5: too in files, and so you try to click some
Speaker 5: of those and they will sometimes work. I've definitely screwed
Speaker 5: up my phone though, doing this on my cell phone,
Speaker 5: because my phone has been not sending and receiving anything
Speaker 5: and has been shutting on and off and doing all
Speaker 5: sorts of weird shit.
Speaker 6: Whatever I've been clicking on has pissed off my phone.
Speaker 3: So you pissed off the Apple gods.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean I do.
Speaker 5: Talk a lot of shit about gates, so I wouldn't
Speaker 5: I wouldn't think none of them are.
Speaker 3: Going to work. Yeah, no shit, Yeah, different ones. It
Speaker 3: is not working.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to go back. You have to actually
Speaker 5: like find one that might work for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on a shooting range.
Speaker 6: Oh yours are actually working?
Speaker 1: Well I just did oh.
Speaker 3: Go okay, gotcha. Yeah, we're on the phone right now.
Speaker 2: My life can open them, so I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: fry the way I make money either.
Speaker 6: So like, you know, the my phone get screwed, you know,
Speaker 6: no big deal.
Speaker 3: We can use your laptop, baby, what.
Speaker 6: With my laptop a bitch? Old Yeah, that bitch work
Speaker 6: better than yours.
Speaker 3: Watch mouth.
Speaker 5: Yours is like like big Bertha Man and just over
Speaker 5: here running yours yours like that, NuGen. We're here with
Speaker 5: them silicon tits and all that stuff like silicos.
Speaker 6: Wow, doesn't even have a.
Speaker 3: Port, it's got USB s ports.
Speaker 5: No, we need to be old school with it, like clearly,
Speaker 5: do you know me? Fucking cords we have behind us right.
Speaker 3: Now, a lot.
Speaker 5: We have like twenty five cords. Like right before we
Speaker 5: got on here. Uh, I don't know who did this.
Speaker 5: Probably one of my children ripped out the bottom half
Speaker 5: of the ring light, the big ring light, and so
Speaker 5: now we have two separate little ring lights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't have time to go to my house
Speaker 2: and grab my ring light from my studio, so it's
Speaker 2: like fuck it.
Speaker 1: We'll make it work.
Speaker 6: That's the whole time. What are you finding on your end?
Speaker 4: I switched over to PNG, and that just seems to
Speaker 4: be like a lot of like images of like how
Speaker 4: it's actually like website, like it's not like photos for
Speaker 4: even P and G popping up.
Speaker 2: So do you believe that Epstein was an occultist or
Speaker 2: do you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I didn't watch the whole Steve Badden thing, but I
Speaker 4: did watch clips of it, Like that one interview that
Speaker 4: he did. There was a lot of things that he
Speaker 4: was starting to say that was just very you know,
Speaker 4: cabalistic or even a could.
Speaker 1: Like to be what.
Speaker 5: Let's look up the word of cold my opinion. Let's
Speaker 5: say if it comes up, seventy seventy results come up.
Speaker 5: Really hmmm, let's see what's the first one.
Speaker 3: I'm very curious of the fuck that the fact that
Speaker 3: that word hit.
Speaker 5: Etsy inspired about Etsy, Yeah, jewelry and leather. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just like one of those you know, subject mystical jewelry.
Speaker 5: It's probably his girlfriend, his girlfriend about a shit ton
Speaker 5: of stuff on Etsy and.
Speaker 3: Wafer the dentist.
Speaker 6: Yeah weird, she's weird.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know how many of you are
Speaker 2: ordering things from Wayfair. But if you're ordering a you know,
Speaker 2: an office chair for nine thousand dollars, it's probably not
Speaker 2: going to be a chair that shows up in the box.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, uh oh okay, so this is from Harry
Speaker 5: Fish and this is too Epstein.
Speaker 1: Harry Fish, what an unfortunate name.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's f I C sorry, f I s h Fish.
Speaker 5: I guess okay, so it's too Epstein. It says incredible
Speaker 5: and thanks for inviting me. Woody was is absolutely brilliant,
Speaker 5: and I hope I can be as sharp as as
Speaker 5: excuse me sharp as him At eighty one. Covet is
Speaker 5: also with it. The stories are unbelievable. Best line of
Speaker 5: the night the woman gave herself an abortion and Woody
Speaker 5: said she would use a wooden hangar. Come on, that
Speaker 5: was just pure brilliance. Look at your urine tests and
Speaker 5: you do not have blood? And oh I looked at
Speaker 5: your urine test and you do not have in your urine.
Speaker 5: The dipstick showed a cult blood. Literally what it says,
Speaker 5: ocult blood.
Speaker 2: The dipstick in a urine sample shows a cult blood.
Speaker 6: It's it's spelled literally just like that, look a cult blood.
Speaker 1: I looked that up. And I did look that up,
Speaker 1: and that does mean something in scientific terms.
Speaker 5: But under but under a microscope, no red blood cells
Speaker 5: were seen that can occur when you work out and
Speaker 5: have muscle and blah blah.
Speaker 2: Blah's hidden correct or unknown.
Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't realize who linn oh Leon black Ah.
Speaker 5: I thought he was just another old Jew. Wow, thanks
Speaker 5: again for inviting me, Harry. And then back it says
Speaker 5: what memories explanation points.
Speaker 3: I didn't know, Leon. I just thought he was another
Speaker 3: old Jew. You know, Jesus, dude, what does a cult
Speaker 3: mean in medical terms? I want to say a cult
Speaker 3: means unknown or h.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I can if it's in the ship or if
Speaker 1: it's in the urine.
Speaker 2: Because at that point it's like you're looking for a culture,
Speaker 2: but it's not. You wouldn't say it like that.
Speaker 6: Hmm. Hang, and I'm looking it up right now.
Speaker 5: Refers to something that is hidden or not visible, such
Speaker 5: as a cult. Blood in the stool, which cannot be
Speaker 5: seen with the naked eye, but detected in tests. It
Speaker 5: often indicates the presence of condition that may require further investigation.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so that was one I learned.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I thought. I was like, wait a second,
Speaker 6: because I.
Speaker 1: Don't look as I saw a cold blood in that two.
Speaker 1: At one point I didn't actually I didn't actually see.
Speaker 6: I was like, what is this?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so talking yep cold differences between the explaining and
Speaker 5: the cult. So the problem with the files is that
Speaker 5: so many of them are the exact same. They're just
Speaker 5: duplicated except one word difference. Is so that him talking
Speaker 5: about his grandma cells and breaking them down and breaking
Speaker 5: his own cellular makeup down cell by cell, well, that
Speaker 5: takes its over seventeen different ones that you have to
Speaker 5: finally get to.
Speaker 6: You have to piece it together.
Speaker 5: You have to take snapshots of each of them to
Speaker 5: be able to puzzle piece it all together. It took
Speaker 5: me like over thirty minutes to figure this out because
Speaker 5: I because I noticed I was reading them and I
Speaker 5: would see like one word difference at the end, two
Speaker 5: were difference at the end, then it would go back,
Speaker 5: then it would be another one. It was like a
Speaker 5: whole game, like a scavenger hunt game, which I actually love.
Speaker 5: So I was like, I'm here for it, let's do it.
Speaker 3: Like I've said a million times, women make the best detectives.
Speaker 6: I love that there's been a lot.
Speaker 1: Of money, great a true crime and cult shows.
Speaker 5: Telling me I don't I actually don't vibe with true crime.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of our people love them. I
Speaker 5: personally just don't like to watch them anymore. I used
Speaker 5: to like them when I was younger. Well no, actually
Speaker 5: I just watched er like on repeat while I was
Speaker 5: eating dinner.
Speaker 6: Look like the untold stories of the yar.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, as far as women on like the
Speaker 2: police forces go, if you were to put all of
Speaker 2: the women in a detective role and just let them
Speaker 2: take a personal venue deta against whatever or whoever they're
Speaker 2: looking for, they'll find that motherfucker in twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: no questions asked. I'm just saying, yeah, then got a
Speaker 2: mind for that.
Speaker 6: They slighted somebody? Oh yeah, well it's the details.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: Were a rigged to look for details that a man
Speaker 2: simply will not see.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's the details. It's a hyperfixation of details,
Speaker 5: like all of it. Like I've already looked at his
Speaker 5: entire background like four times.
Speaker 6: Like as soon as he.
Speaker 5: Popped on, I was like, boom boom boom boom boom. Okay,
Speaker 5: cool now, I got his whole background. I already memorized
Speaker 5: it's his house.
Speaker 6: What do you fucking I know?
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying, like, if it came down to
Speaker 5: like identifying that like his background in a picture later on,
Speaker 5: I guarantee I could probably pick it out.
Speaker 3: Oh, men and women.
Speaker 5: Are because well for me, purpose like for me, I
Speaker 5: pick up like certain things, and that's how like I
Speaker 5: remember things like I remember like the color of your book,
Speaker 5: and I remember that you had this like little gold
Speaker 5: pyramid thing, and I remember, like that's what That's what
Speaker 5: I'm looking at. And so when I would look at
Speaker 5: another photo, I up on those things.
Speaker 3: Perfect example, didn't even realize he had a pyramid on
Speaker 3: the table.
Speaker 6: It looks like it.
Speaker 5: Looks like a little because like from our angle, like
Speaker 5: because it's so tiny, it looks like a little pyramid
Speaker 5: or kind of like rounded on the edges on the bottom.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, what is that exactly? You didn't even
Speaker 6: notice it, did you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Not once, literally didn't even notice there was a book
Speaker 2: on the fucking table. I've been looking at him the
Speaker 2: whole time.
Speaker 1: The other thing is a speaker on the other end
Speaker 1: of bo speaker see.
Speaker 3: Sae I'm just saying, y'all.
Speaker 2: Y'all are built for detective work, especially if you take
Speaker 2: a personal interest in whatever it is or whoever it is,
Speaker 2: pretend like they fucked you over.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh ah, got that ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say that.
Speaker 5: I've like had a I had to call one of
Speaker 5: my friends. I have a friend that I swear.
Speaker 6: To God she should be. She should be a detective.
Speaker 5: Her level is unmatched, being able to find ship in
Speaker 5: a matter of no time. It's like I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: can you help me find this and this and man?
Speaker 5: And within like an hour, she's like, Okay, well, this
Speaker 5: is where they frequent, this is their geolocation for the pictures.
Speaker 5: This is where I looked through all the photos and
Speaker 5: I found exactly like I zoomed in, I found the location.
Speaker 6: I looked at the snapshot and all that. I was like, what,
Speaker 6: how did you do all this so quickly? She's like, Oh,
Speaker 6: it was really easy. I'm like, oh, cal, y'all are
Speaker 6: built for this.
Speaker 5: Last apparently I'm not that built for it, because I
Speaker 5: was like, I had to call in some help because
Speaker 5: I was like, uh, what are you what are we
Speaker 5: all looking at? I mean, I could have but I'm
Speaker 5: also like too impatient, so I'd rather just like confront
Speaker 5: the person and ask them.
Speaker 6: But that's just me, no shit.
Speaker 4: I remember when I was big into watching and listening
Speaker 4: to true crime on YouTube, a lot of the good
Speaker 4: ones and the cult ones were always females that had
Speaker 4: like the most script of the most information. I feel
Speaker 4: like it's always like the cult ones, like, especially when
Speaker 4: kids were involved. I think it's like such a maternal
Speaker 4: thing that like if it gets them, they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna find out everything and fucking put this out there.
Speaker 2: I used to crime and detective TV shows, but I got.
Speaker 3: Played out on them. I got burned out, dude.
Speaker 1: So did I. I haven't in a while. They was
Speaker 1: crazy with them.
Speaker 3: We got like forty five of them now, and they
Speaker 3: keep having their own little weird nuances and spins and like,
Speaker 3: for instance.
Speaker 1: It's like everything that's just getting gurgitated too.
Speaker 2: That's it all, right? Like how many cis is do
Speaker 2: we fucking need? Or csis or in CIS this, in
Speaker 2: CIS this, And it's like, bro okay, there's only so
Speaker 2: many ways y'all could do this right, There's only so
Speaker 2: many ways we could reiterate.
Speaker 3: What Law in Order is, and then cut to The Lucifer.
Speaker 6: Show and they watch like every season of Best TV.
Speaker 2: Okay, once again, I love that show, like every every show.
Speaker 2: Wonderful Bud that got overplayed, and then again the fucking
Speaker 2: Lucifer Show.
Speaker 3: They had such I hate this show so much. I
Speaker 3: love hear me out, Broy.
Speaker 2: They had the perfect opportunity to humanize Satan and show
Speaker 2: all the.
Speaker 6: Things he could have been done so much better.
Speaker 2: First episode, he's the owner of a nightclub. He's doing
Speaker 2: some wild ship and immediately he gets hooked up with
Speaker 2: a detective and they're now solving crimes together, and it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what, Yeah, we we didn't need another detective show,
Speaker 2: certainly not one with Lucifer morning Star as the the
Speaker 2: quirky tag along for the fucking cop team.
Speaker 6: He was misunderstood.
Speaker 1: It's bullshit.
Speaker 4: Though, cabalistically, that would be the power in the glory.
Speaker 4: That's right before he cross the abyss.
Speaker 2: No, because Michael the archangel comes into it and has
Speaker 2: has a baby with Lucifer's therapists, and it's like, I'm.
Speaker 6: Sorry, bro, God comes into it.
Speaker 5: His old lady comes in, like there's a lot of
Speaker 5: different things that happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he does fall on the cabalistic tru.
Speaker 1: They have.
Speaker 6: Also, they don't have like that.
Speaker 3: We didn't.
Speaker 6: They'll have a bunch of outright things.
Speaker 1: But nobody.
Speaker 2: Nobody asks for another detective show, but they just made
Speaker 2: another one.
Speaker 3: For the fun of it.
Speaker 6: We asked for a really good looking Lucifer though.
Speaker 1: So he's good looking to you.
Speaker 6: He's not a bad looking man. Damn, he's not a
Speaker 6: bad looking man.
Speaker 2: Now, scrawny and weird with a big nose. I didn't
Speaker 2: think that was Do women actually think that that actor.
Speaker 3: Is good looking?
Speaker 6: Yes, many women do.
Speaker 3: Yes, there are certain actors that I could see it.
Speaker 6: He's not bad looking, he's not a bad.
Speaker 3: The British accent.
Speaker 6: He seems really good and plays piano really good.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Oh there it is Lucifer.
Speaker 5: They I mean, women are suckers for certain things. I
Speaker 5: can't speak for all women kind, but I will say
Speaker 5: that some of us are suckers for certain things. Accents,
Speaker 5: playing musical instruments.
Speaker 2: If he spoke with a fucking single wide trailer accent,
Speaker 2: I promise.
Speaker 6: You, I don't think he's that bad looking.
Speaker 8: I'm just like what Now, there are certain actors that, Like,
Speaker 8: I totally get even Zach if he spoke like if
Speaker 8: he spoke like a retard, He's still zac Efron.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 3: I understand why women lose their ship over him.
Speaker 6: He's gorgeous man.
Speaker 2: There are certain actors that women truly think are just
Speaker 2: like the ship and I just I've never seen it.
Speaker 5: I mean, but I also like, obsessively love Tom Hardy,
Speaker 5: and most people don't fuck.
Speaker 3: With perfect example. Yeah, most women do not find him attracted.
Speaker 5: I feel like that man just would you wouldn't be
Speaker 5: right after that, Like he's he's just he's a force
Speaker 5: to be wrecking with, all right, Like I'm won't be
Speaker 5: really honest.
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, you might be the only woman
Speaker 1: who feels this way.
Speaker 6: I don't care. He's a good looking man. Just now
Speaker 6: he looks rougher.
Speaker 3: You're talking about when he was playing Baine.
Speaker 1: That's the only one where you're talking.
Speaker 2: No, there's no way you're talking about Solomon from Peaky
Speaker 2: Blinders where he's a fat Jewish gangster.
Speaker 3: There's no way that's you.
Speaker 5: You know what, I probably honestly like, even if you
Speaker 5: walked in the room, I'm like.
Speaker 3: Fuck it, Like you're still trashy English accent.
Speaker 6: He's still just gorgeous.
Speaker 5: I just love him. I mean, that's just one of
Speaker 5: those things. I mean, you know, everybody has a flavor.
Speaker 5: I guess this is true, so is everyone's flavor.
Speaker 6: So I mean, sure, Harry Cappell, who is who we're
Speaker 6: talking about?
Speaker 3: Big age?
Speaker 6: But anyway, we got here, Yeah, we got way off
Speaker 6: the track.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: I can only imagine what the haters are going to go.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, I have a type too,
Speaker 3: But I'm actually really bummed out to hear about Chrissy
Speaker 3: Tigue and being a disgusting human being. I thought she was.
Speaker 1: What the fuck does her face got to do with me?
Speaker 1: She is?
Speaker 6: She is just psyched.
Speaker 2: Before I knew about her being a pedal, I know,
Speaker 2: and it's never She is completely funk to me now.
Speaker 2: But if you would have talked to me about six
Speaker 2: years ago, no, oh my god, Christy taking could have
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 3: Fuck the face, what don't we do with that? Have
Speaker 3: you seen her curves? She'd or Ashley Graham. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: she's the one that's considered a plus size model.
Speaker 2: She's full figured and fucking a smoke show, by my
Speaker 2: by my brain going, but you know whatever.
Speaker 3: But it also blows mount how many dudes are like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, did you know Taylor Swift has like
Speaker 3: a two million dollar insurance policy on her legs And
Speaker 3: it's like the fucking pale hot dogs?
Speaker 1: What are we.
Speaker 6: Had an insurance policy on her legs? And I can
Speaker 6: understand that.
Speaker 3: I don't. Those thighs were not thick. What are we
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 6: Her thighs were thick as ship?
Speaker 3: No they were not. They were they were muscle, but
Speaker 3: they were thick.
Speaker 5: They were actually technically thick. No muscle is still considered thick.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry when I say thick, I was spelling
Speaker 2: it with a Q. Muscle is not going to be So.
Speaker 6: You're talking about like celly light and like fat.
Speaker 3: I said thick?
Speaker 1: Did I not us?
Speaker 6: Excuse me?
Speaker 5: Back to back to you know, satanic pedophile group, Hard Transition.
Speaker 3: I guess and Cat Dinnings.
Speaker 1: I think she's fucking hot as hell. I have no idea.
Speaker 5: Who do?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You do?
Speaker 6: Okay, Nerdy chick from thor from the tooth Gap Girl.
Speaker 3: Tooth Gap Girl with the massive tits, that's just charming
Speaker 3: as hell.
Speaker 6: The tooth Gap You're all like or.
Speaker 3: Lily from the A T and T commercials, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: she could she could get it.
Speaker 6: We try to get back on a different over here.
Speaker 2: Look, if you're gonna get hate for goggling all on dudes, here,
Speaker 2: let me get some hate for goggling on women.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: I talked about one guy, Tom Hardy, and now we'll
Speaker 5: stand by that.
Speaker 6: We went through a few there, big h big age.
Speaker 6: Everybody loves.
Speaker 5: Excuse me for trying to have your back and women.
Speaker 5: Whatever I hate, I don't, I don't really care. Fuck
Speaker 5: them is my big balls back here they are.
Speaker 1: Sorry, brother, we're just kind of rambling here.
Speaker 5: You're yeah, this is like our third podcast today, so
Speaker 5: we're kind of like a hot mess.
Speaker 1: I could understand. Actually it's my third today too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I went on Jewels to show this morning that I
Speaker 1: had somebody on and now I'm yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Bennice's booma for you.
Speaker 4: It seems yeah, very busy, actually extremely Yeah. I also
Speaker 4: have like I have like I have a bunch of
Speaker 4: even like like three different book companies that have been
Speaker 4: like sending me like authors, but like they're also well
Speaker 4: known in the cold community.
Speaker 1: So I've been lucky. I've been booking a lot of
Speaker 1: them too. Ships. So I've just been busy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got Wiser, Llewellen and UH and uh INN
Speaker 4: traditions send me authors and then they said, now then
Speaker 4: to send me the books.
Speaker 1: That's all these books. You just go with it. Nice.
Speaker 3: How did do you got reached out to buy them?
Speaker 3: Or you used to? Alright, putting the feelers out and
Speaker 3: then they were in.
Speaker 1: The traditions hit me up first. Then I went to UH.
Speaker 4: I hit up Wiser and asked them and they said sure,
Speaker 4: they said, you've actually come across a feed recently, so
Speaker 4: like you know, they knew who I was.
Speaker 1: And then lou Ellen had hit me up. Lou Ellen.
Speaker 3: Is that a promoter?
Speaker 4: That's a huge company for Wiser and Louellen to play
Speaker 4: some of the biggest publications for a cold book.
Speaker 3: That I don't be I don't be reading, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, like yeah, you wouldn't know that.
Speaker 1: Let's like you're in the like yeah, the community, I
Speaker 1: got you. Yeah that's what's up. Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: very busy.
Speaker 4: It's you know what the thing is to it works
Speaker 4: out because like some of the people are like so
Speaker 4: well known that it would be. You know, it's an
Speaker 4: easy go between because like now the publish somebody hits
Speaker 4: them up and says, hey, well, you know, why don't
Speaker 4: you go on their show and promote your book?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: So it kind of worked out of me because there's
Speaker 4: been people that I've had on that I've tried to
Speaker 4: contact myself and didn't answer me.
Speaker 1: But then when the book company had.
Speaker 6: Some month, hell yeah, I reached out to that.
Speaker 5: I don't she has a book, but she has a
Speaker 5: couple of books, but she's really hard to get a
Speaker 5: hold of. I noticed that I saw other content creators
Speaker 5: trying to get a hold of her, and she's just like,
Speaker 5: am I I did hit up Roseanne though I'm.
Speaker 3: Not Roseanne bar mm hm, oh shit, I wish.
Speaker 6: I doubt it. I doubt it, but like I'm I
Speaker 6: hit her up for the hell of it. I was like,
Speaker 6: why not?
Speaker 3: We had Tommy Chong on the show a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago. Surprised answer, Yeah, yeah, a bit of a letdown.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: He's repeated a lot of the first Yeah.
Speaker 2: And all you wanted to talk about as you're talking about,
Speaker 2: you know, conspiracy things and some of the stuff that
Speaker 2: he had as far as like him getting arrested for
Speaker 2: the Boon Company whatever else. All he wanted to talk
Speaker 2: about was the racism he experienced in Canada in the
Speaker 2: sixties being half Asian. And I'm like, all right, but
Speaker 2: I've never heard of such things, and yeah, it was,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: It was a little bit of an underwhelming experience. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, even if they're I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe I guess it's it could be real. But then
Speaker 4: it's like it's hard for you to even like, oh
Speaker 4: my heartstrings when you're as famous as you are. Ye, Like,
Speaker 4: racism obviously really didn't fucking stop you from going where
Speaker 4: you went.
Speaker 3: No, and all the races and he experiences.
Speaker 4: Like my parents and people after me will know who
Speaker 4: the fuck Tommy Chong was.
Speaker 2: But like all the racism, he claims, the experience didn't
Speaker 2: stop him from singing the Beanner song on Cheech and Chong.
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, one of themselves, right, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm hoping to get George Church on that.
Speaker 4: They actually used stereotypes themselves. Yeah, but it's like you
Speaker 4: really look at this ship. They played on stereotype. Honestly,
Speaker 4: they might have created stereotypes that didn't exist technically.
Speaker 3: Actually, but you need to say you but like look.
Speaker 1: At their influencer. Yeah, let me come on, but.
Speaker 2: You said George Church to get back to what you said.
Speaker 2: So that's the guy that is mentioned on the Epstein files.
Speaker 2: But he's also a geneticist.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 5: He's very very famous for he's like the pioneer for
Speaker 5: fifty different companies when it comes to genetics, and not
Speaker 5: just genetics but like genome sequencing. They're using one of
Speaker 5: his companies as using uh, animal products like animal tissue
Speaker 5: and stuff to create organs and things for humans. Another
Speaker 5: one is doing biological bioweapon and kind of things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's like really high up there.
Speaker 5: I'm actually going to go down the list of the
Speaker 5: scientists that worked with Epstein and I'm going to email
Speaker 5: them all.
Speaker 2: Like it.
Speaker 5: I'm going to see if I can because they've been
Speaker 5: going email. Yeah, they've they've been going on podcasts. Actually,
Speaker 5: there's been quite a few of them. I've started to
Speaker 5: look them up and they've actually been making their circuits.
Speaker 2: Hey, doctor so and so, we said you on the
Speaker 2: Epstein file. If you want to clear your name coming
Speaker 2: to our conspiracy pod. I like, where your heads at, Raven.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to show Drake one of them.
Speaker 4: The name sounds familiar, Supert Shell, Drake showed up in
Speaker 4: his files.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of what she's famous for other
Speaker 3: than the files.
Speaker 1: I would like to tell telepathy tapes.
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't to that, but okay, all
Speaker 4: the things that he's much more into, Well.
Speaker 5: There's a list of like people that he deemed like
Speaker 5: the absolute best of each field, and they happen to
Speaker 5: have emails.
Speaker 6: And they happen to mostly all work for Harvard.
Speaker 5: So I went to the Harvard list and I was like,
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm just going to start emailing you
Speaker 5: all and just see if we can because I don't
Speaker 5: want to just ask them about Epstein. I genuinely want
Speaker 5: to know what it is they're working on, because Epstein
Speaker 5: gave over his DNA sequencing over and over and over
Speaker 5: and over again and paid for it one hundred and
Speaker 5: ninety three thousand a pop over.
Speaker 4: Bro Yo look into MIT worked with Rupert Sheldric and
Speaker 4: some project with MIT.
Speaker 6: Oh, I've looked into the MIT thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're not going to reach out to us, like
Speaker 5: come on now, all they have to do is come
Speaker 5: look on our phones and they're gonna be like, mmm, no.
Speaker 6: But I'm hoping.
Speaker 3: Maybe the Harvard boys will.
Speaker 5: Though some of the scientists have been going around and
Speaker 5: have been having a lot of conversations in the last
Speaker 5: few months, like no joke, Like the last six months,
Speaker 5: Church has been on like twenty different pods.
Speaker 6: And obviously they haven't talked about Epstein.
Speaker 5: He talked about Epstein with sixty Minutes and with another group,
Speaker 5: but he hasn't talked about Epstein. He's been talking about
Speaker 5: all the other things that he's been doing, which at
Speaker 5: this point, okay, if we don't talk about Epstein, we
Speaker 5: all need to understand what the hell you've been doing
Speaker 5: with the funding that Epstein gave you, because you've started
Speaker 5: fifty separate companies in the last two decades. That is
Speaker 5: all about advancing humans in every single direction possible. And
Speaker 5: he's very intelligent, like he I don't it's one of
Speaker 5: those things of like is he actually evil?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I can tell you that the way that he discussed things,
Speaker 5: he sounds like he is hyper fixated on science to
Speaker 5: the point of insanity to where like he'll do anything
Speaker 5: to be able to strive, like to keep us.
Speaker 3: Going the modern day Archimedes if.
Speaker 5: You pretty much like the whole conversation Elon just had
Speaker 5: about on the World Economic Forum saying like the whole
Speaker 5: point is the human consciousness, and like he'll do anything
Speaker 5: pretty much to save human consciousness. So like each one
Speaker 5: of the scientists seem to be hyper fixating on different
Speaker 5: parts of humanity and different parts of like Earth and
Speaker 5: humans and this and that to try to like continue
Speaker 5: us forward. So I don't know, I'm curious to see
Speaker 5: if I can at least get one of them to
Speaker 5: just come on and talk to us.
Speaker 6: At least about what it is they're working on.
Speaker 5: I would even I'll even tell him, Look, if we
Speaker 5: don't have to talk about Epstein, if we could just
Speaker 5: talk about the hell you doing so we could understand it,
Speaker 5: that would be great, Like, but well, we'll see it.
Speaker 5: We're not one of the science groups, so it's but
Speaker 5: he did go on three podcasts that weren't science related,
Speaker 5: so one was completely generated by an ai girls.
Speaker 6: It was really strange, and he was.
Speaker 3: Like apods that are coming out these.
Speaker 5: Days interacting with it and it was very odd.
Speaker 6: The whole thing was creepy, and he was just like
Speaker 6: he was.
Speaker 5: You could tell he was like weirdly uncomfortable, but also
Speaker 5: he recognizes the AI is pushing forward, so it is
Speaker 5: the whole thing was very odd to watch myself little planned.
Speaker 3: If you will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was actually wondering. I was like, because I've
Speaker 1: just been scripted.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: He seemed like he was genuinely like actually on air
Speaker 5: answering questions. But it seemed to me that like that
Speaker 5: it unless she's like really just that the way she
Speaker 5: looks in the way the studio is, but she looked AI,
Speaker 5: she sounded AI. It was very odd conversation. But yeah, no,
Speaker 5: he's he's been on a bunch and so we'll see.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of people, well, apparently other
Speaker 5: people are reaching out to lower level watch them call
Speaker 5: it celebrities that have been on that were mentioned slightly
Speaker 5: in the Epstein files, and they're apparently trying to clear
Speaker 5: their names. So they're actually accepting going on to podcasts
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's very smart of them.
Speaker 2: If they got nothing to hide, now would be the
Speaker 2: time to make your rounds and try to get ahead.
Speaker 3: Of the story.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, yep.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people talk about like RFK
Speaker 3: for instance, right RFK Junior, and feel however you want
Speaker 3: about him, But he knew who Epstein was, and he
Speaker 3: knew eventually shit was going to come to light years ago.
Speaker 2: He got ahead of the story. And he's like, listen,
Speaker 2: you're gonna see my name on the flight logs twice.
Speaker 3: Here's why.
Speaker 2: From here to here, I flew on his plane, and
Speaker 2: from here to here, if fluent his plane, and that's it.
Speaker 2: And so many people were like, he's on the flight logs.
Speaker 2: He's eveall like wait, wait, wait, wait, y'all understand he
Speaker 2: just told you everything to get ahead of it. And
Speaker 2: if he lied, when these files come out, you'll see
Speaker 2: his name more times and you can fry him alive.
Speaker 2: But if these files come out and you only see
Speaker 2: it twice, you understand he very well might be the
Speaker 2: only politician to be that honest about it from day
Speaker 2: one and get ahead of the story before it drops.
Speaker 2: Feel how you want about him, But it sounds like
Speaker 2: your boy really had nothing to hide.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: He sounds like he's like having to speak through gravel,
Speaker 5: and I feel actually really bad for him because apparently
Speaker 5: it's like super painful to talk.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm like, wh how did you get it in, politician?
Speaker 6: Like you had to talk all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, don't get me wrong, it's also
Speaker 2: not the best look that he sent dick pics to
Speaker 2: his aid. But I mean, also, he's like seventy and
Speaker 2: he's built like that, and he's working out in Jane still, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's getting it in, you know, I.
Speaker 6: Mean men, men tend to send unsolicited diculations.
Speaker 3: No what nuns solicited?
Speaker 1: Oh? Oh no, no, she.
Speaker 5: Wanted it, so it was consensual. Yeah, okay, then what
Speaker 5: are we talking about.
Speaker 2: Apparently it's a really bad look that he sent dick
Speaker 2: pics to one of his employees.
Speaker 3: On the media, doesn't they're.
Speaker 5: Both consensual adults and like that she REQUI us of these,
Speaker 5: then there's that's a completely dead issue.
Speaker 2: Not according to the news. Good god, they tried flaming
Speaker 2: him alive.
Speaker 3: And he's also like yeah and.
Speaker 1: Fuck, like I know, but she.
Speaker 3: Fucking asked for him.
Speaker 1: And have you seen the size of my hog?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 1: Good for you?
Speaker 2: RFK Junior, Hey fucking get it in, dude, He's doing
Speaker 2: full squats with jeans on like a total like granddad,
Speaker 2: like getting after it. It's like, you know what, what
Speaker 2: are you gonna say to the man he's out here
Speaker 2: in these streets.
Speaker 5: It's like shof right now, yo, speaking of Oh my god,
Speaker 5: crazy crazy shit.
Speaker 3: So the girl, well, so all right, Shilah buff.
Speaker 2: Got to rest in New Orleans during dude, the chick
Speaker 2: that bailed him out. We were party with her all
Speaker 2: day at Marti gral There's a picture of her in
Speaker 2: this whole white get up she's wearing with his crazy
Speaker 2: knit hat.
Speaker 6: It's a little like Marty gral nit hat. She was
Speaker 6: with us.
Speaker 2: She was wearing these crazy yellow sunglasses. I even was
Speaker 2: joking with her earlier in the day about how jealous
Speaker 2: I was of her sunglasses. She's the one that actually
Speaker 2: paid Shilahbove's bail, and then as soon as he got out,
Speaker 2: he gave her triple the money back as a thank.
Speaker 1: You, and then they went out and got fucking shit wrecked.
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know what, Okay.
Speaker 6: I was like when I saw a picture, I'm like,
Speaker 6: holy shit, it's the girl that we were with all day.
Speaker 5: God, if I would have known I would have known,
Speaker 5: but you have to understand there's thousands of people.
Speaker 6: So the odes inness is just crazy, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 5: The fact that we stood all together for the entire
Speaker 5: Zulu parade and then she was with us for a
Speaker 5: little bit of the Rex Parade.
Speaker 6: And then dipped out and stuff.
Speaker 5: But like we were with her the entire morning, like
Speaker 5: for four hours, five hours, so it was crazy to
Speaker 5: see her. But then Shilah was out here just running
Speaker 5: them streets shirtless, having a whole time.
Speaker 6: Everyone.
Speaker 5: The comment section is absolutely hilarious right now because the
Speaker 5: ex ex girlfriend, wife or whoever wants him to go
Speaker 5: into treatment and all of like Tiger Country's like he's lost.
Speaker 6: To the Tiger now, like he's one of us.
Speaker 5: Now he's just in them streets and it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 5: I know New Orleans ain't given him back at this point,
Speaker 5: he's now been officially adopted into the crew.
Speaker 3: I mean, you get arrested at Marti Gras with throwing
Speaker 3: a few hands.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you in the culture.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I will say, I'm still happy that wn't any every
Speaker 2: gunshots this year.
Speaker 3: None that was legit.
Speaker 6: I went to ten parades and I didn't hear any
Speaker 6: that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Honestly, the odds were very much in our favor this year.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Nick brother, I want to thank you for
Speaker 3: coming on the show this year.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I do thank you for inviting me. Man,
Speaker 1: those are bliss for.
Speaker 2: Anybody who has never heard of you and doesn't know
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, the cult rejects on Bitch, Shoot, Rumble, YouTube
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Speaker 1: So go check that out. It's pretty interesting if you
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Speaker 6: You say, a cult institute.
Speaker 1: A cult institute research dot dot org.
Speaker 6: Okay, nice, Okay, I'm writing it down.
Speaker 1: Could research Institute dot org? Yes? Right, yes, indeed.
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