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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host TJ. Leaves. Yes,

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indeed we are back here in the month of February,

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ready to preview our first weekend that has a world

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title fight actually on Friday night in Mexico. Be ready

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to listen quickly for that. And then we've got a

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world title fight in Liverpool, England on Saturday night as well.

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We go all over the globe here as part of

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let's begin with Guadalajara, Mexico in the match Room box

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Stars card. This is a WBO bantamweight title fight Christian

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Medina Medina and Adrian Curiel. So that will get things

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underway on to Zone on Friday evening. Let's get into it.

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What about this one?

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Speaker 2: Well, I have said this many times TJ when we've

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talked about the Matchroom cards that they do in Mexico

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and they work with box Stars protions they do. I

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don't know, I guess four or five of these shows

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a year or something like that, even if you never

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heard of the guys on the card. Like most of

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the time, these are good shows, Like they provide action.

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There's usually like this type of fight in the main event,

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some type of smaller weight world title fight, not necessarily

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but oftentimes, and they just produce good action. I mean,

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it's it's been a hallmark in my opinion, of this

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particular level of the match room deal that they do

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down in Mexico, and this is frankly should be no different.

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Medina is taken on a fellow Mexican and carry ol

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Kyriel is the former junior flyweight title holder of the IBF.

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Medina in his last fight, well first of all, back

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up in January, early like early January this year is

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when he signed with Matchroom Boxing and he was coming

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off of having won the belt. He scored a knockout.

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If you recall, he thought Yoshiki Takai back in September,

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this is one of the title bouts that was on

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the undercard on the night that Noya in a way

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ran through mj Acmadalia in that mandatory fight that took

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place in Japan. Then Medina, you know, went in with

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not a big reputation, but he ended up getting a

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knockout and winning this title. And soon after in the

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beginning of this year is when he signed with Mattroum

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and so this will be his first defense and his

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first fight with Matchroom, and he's taken on a solid fighter,

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I mean, a guy that was a champion in the

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one way class lower they're about the same age. Madina's

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twenty five, Kiel is twenty six they've got very similar records.

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Madina's twenty six and four with nineteen Kryell. The big

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difference though was the knockouts. He's twenty six six and

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one only as the five knockouts. But it's not as

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though he has shown the inability to punch, because if

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you remember he went in when he won the title,

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he was not considered to be much of a threat

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in terms of his punching power. And oh, by the way,

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guess what happened. He scored a crushing second round knockout

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against Non Shinga, and of course then he lost it

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in a late in the rematch, and then in his

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fight after that he lost again to in a row,

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he lost a technical decision to Sonny Edwards, but he's

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won two fights in a row since then by decision,

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and now he's getting this opportunity against Mendina, and you

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know it should be should be if you ever watched

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the two guys fight, they both have been in entertaining

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fights there, you know, classical Mexican type, aggressive fighters, and

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I expect nothing less in this matchup.

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Speaker 1: Again, We're always interested in these and there is a

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WBO bantamweight championship that is on the line for this

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and it's Dizonne from Mexico coming on Friday. Okay, I

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have to say that the next one that we're about

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to preview here in the preview mode, I am very

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much interested in Saturday afternoon US time and then Saturday

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night in Liverpool, England in primetime in the UK on

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his own Queensberry main event. Nick Ball, the WBA featherweight

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champion who always seems to be in exciting, entertaining fights,

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against Brandon Figueroa of the United States, a Texan who

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always seems to be in entertaining fights. Again, can we

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have good things here for the matchup? I saw some

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of the press conference in the comments, etc. Thursday for

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this it will be a rabbit atmosphere for Ball and

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now we'll see with Figarola going on the road what

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he has in this matchup. I'm saying that give me

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some more in the preview.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true. I mean he is going

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on the road. Figure O has mainly fought in the

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United States, of course, on the PBC cards that take

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place in the United States. Ball has made his hometown

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of Liverpool, you know, sort of like the Fortress if

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you will. I mean he won the title on a

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read card. He had a nice victory, a split decision,

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but I thought, you know, a worthy victor in that

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fight against Raymond Ford to win this title. And then

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he's defended the title three times since then, Ball against

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pretty reputable opponents. I mean, maybe not the perfect opponent,

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maybe not like the ideal number one can there, but

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very legitimately professional, solid fighters. Ronnie Rios who always gave

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everybody a good battle, he stopped him in round ten. TJ. Dohaney,

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who had been a champion and you know the one

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hundred and twenty two pound division, stopped him. And Sam Goodman,

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who had moved up to challenge him when the fight

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with in a way you know where he was the

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mandatory had been postponing, then canceled because Goodman had suffered

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a second cut in a training camp and had to

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pull out. He was undefeated when he fought in. That

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was another fight that took place in Riad, but two

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of the title defenses that Nick Ball has had have

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both been at the same arena in Liverpool, and like

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you said, he draws a crowd, you know, is a

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popular figure there. So he goes in now to this

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defense against Figureoa, who I think, with all respect to

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Goodman Dohaney and Rios, is definitely the best challenger that

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he has faced so far in terms of a title defense. Figueroa,

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you know, is well known if you follow the sport,

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has been in some very good fights. His fights with

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Steven Fulton for example, So you know, Nick had his

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hometown fights. He didn't necessarily fight like the best guy.

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Figure O is the mandatory. He's going on the road,

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so you know, props for that. He's making his fourth defense.

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And if Nick Ball comes and pressures him the way

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that he often does his opponents and digs that body

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because he's so short and squat in Figuaroa, we've seen

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in plenty of entertaining fights, it has a chance to

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be something spectacular. I mean, I'm not saying it will be,

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but it's got a chance.

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Speaker 1: We know, we know this Figaroa is not gonna be

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hard to find figuratively and literally.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna have a advantage.

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Speaker 1: He's he's much taller, but uh, he generally fights in

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about a four foot square whenever he fights, and so

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he I mean, it's not like he's gonna be inclined

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to stick move jab. You're not gonna have to worry

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about that if you're Nick Ball. The one interesting thing

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you kind of made mention of this that Ball tends

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to start a little slow and come on later on

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the fight. That'll be interesting if that's the case at

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the beginning of this fight at home with the loud crowd,

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just as one more aspect of it in the preview.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that figaroa is a is a

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very experienced professional. Whatever happens in terms of the the

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the the raucousness of the crowd, he's not I don't

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think gonna be unerved. And I think at the moment anyway,

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I think it's fair to say that based on who

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he has faced, his activity level, the manner in which

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he has won his fights, then he's probably considered the

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number one featherweight. At the moment. You have Nick Coba

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holding the WBA belt, Angelo Leo has the IBF title,

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Rafael Espinoza has got the WBO title, and of course,

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just the other night on the Chakor and Tia Fimo

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Undercardia Shoeshoe Carrington winning the vacant WBC title. Some might

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argue Espinosa. I feel like Nick has faced a little

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bit better opposition overall, and we've joked around about how

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what a great fight that would be to ce in

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terms of the visual because you have the the you know,

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the very very short Nick Ball against the extremely tall

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Rafael Espinoza. But Figueroa is no joke now, he is not.

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I don't think what he was at his best when

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he was first champion at one twenty two, then became

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a title holder at one twenty six. He's had some issues,

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if you ask me. When he won this title, he

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won a title eliminator to qualify as the mandatory for

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this fight. He took on the well traveled three time

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world title challenger Joet Gonzales. That took place this past July.

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He was on the undercard when Nanny Paco had the

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draw with Mario Barrios. He was lucky to escape with

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that win. And while Joe at Gonzalez is a good professional,

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he's a step below Nick Ball in my opinion. And

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so I don't know if that was Figaroa maybe just

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having a little bit of a rough night, a bad night,

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or maybe he's starting to show, you know, the you know,

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the the amount of wars and hard fights he sad

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through the years. You know, they're the same age at

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twenty eight, but I feel like Figueroa is absolutely older

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in terms of his boxing age because of the tough

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battles that he has had. So we shall see. I mean,

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he lost the featherweight belt to Fulton and this was

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the next fight he's had since then when he escaped

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with that victory. So it's like his last two fights

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have not been spectacular, if you will, like he struggled

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to some degree, but now he did fight the two

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times in twenty twenty five, and now he's got a

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great opportunity. He's going on the road. He's got a

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formidable opponent in front of him, but he's not a

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big puncher, Nickball, And similar to what I was saying

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about the fight that we're gonna see on Friday night,

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you know, with the with Medina and in his title

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defense against his fellow countryman Curio, I feel like Figaroa

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and nig Ball has a chance to be a highly

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entertaining fight.

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Speaker 1: Let's look for that. And again it's Saturday afternoon on

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the Zone. How about that. We got a couple of

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uh title fights that you don't have to pay extra

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pay per view prices for with your regular de Zone subscription.

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So find those, check those out, and we'll be in

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the recap mode of those fights off the weekend. Let's

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get to the news. There's a bevy of.

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Speaker 2: It, A bevy.

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Speaker 1: I like that bevy. B Yes, we often pull out

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the vocabulary twins are working on SAT scores and vocabulary

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words and whatever. We were going over the word compartmentalize.

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A lot of times I have to compartmentalize with you

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with we have so many news items, previews, et cetera.

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That's a big word. Bevy a little smaller word, but

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we do have a bevy. Hey. I thought Shakur Stevenson

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was the WBC lightweight champion when he was standing in

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the ring on Saturday night in the pay per view

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win having moved on to junior welterweight against Tyo Fima Lopez.

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He was the chap right on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: But that was like four or five days ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so four days later, what what the hey?

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Why does he need to be stripped of anything? Four

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days later WBC doing WBC things. I'm saying this.

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Speaker 2: This was a little surprising and disappointing, I must say

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most of the time that I can ever think of that.

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If you if you are if you are a champion

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of an organization, whichever organization it is, and you go

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to a different weight class and you win a title

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in that division, they offer you the grace period, usually

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at least two weeks, and oftentimes a lot longer. They

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give you the rope to decide what you're gonna do.

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Am I gonna stay in the weight class in which

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I just won the title? Or am I again I

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go back and continue to hold the belt in the

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in the other division in which I hold the title.

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Speaker 1: Correct me if i'm let me stop you on this point.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, help me with my memory.

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In the last few weeks, somebody else did this, and

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who was it?

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Speaker 2: It was when O'shaki Foster Okay retained the title at

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one hundred and thirty. I'm sorry he won the interim

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title at one thirty five because Fulton was overweight. Right

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when it was over, he went back. He said I

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would give up. That was also the WBC that he

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would give up the WBC thirty five pound title and

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continue to hold this one thirty titles. So and there

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you go.

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Speaker 1: And again that's the belt that SHAQR. Stevenson had where

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they were talking about interim title. But in that case,

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that was a weird situation where they suddenly made that

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fight a one thirty five title fight. Generally speaking, isn't

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this at least a couple of weeks, if not thirty days?

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Speaker 2: I said, it's often two us much longer.

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Speaker 1: But yet, let the fighter decide do I want to

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continue at the higher weight or do I want to

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move back down? And some of that has to do

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with what you talked about off the off the weekend.

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What's a lucrative fight in either division that I might

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want to make. This is not the Burger king drive

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through for that to be he decided in four days.

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So this is really going on here.

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Speaker 2: So okay, when the WBC made their announcement, they put

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out a press announcement about what was happening that, you know,

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and they said it in a nice way. You know,

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he's you know, because Shrequor has been a WBC champion

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in the junior lightweight division. Now then he had won

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the title in the lightweight division. He won I think

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his first ever professional title was a WBC regional title,

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which is, you know, a stepping stone belt that puts

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guys in their rankings and steers them towards fighting for

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their world title. So it's not as though he doesn't

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have a relationship that is long standing with this organization.

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But we'll go back to what happened after Terrence Crawford

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won the undisputed title against Clenelo Alvarez in the one

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hundred and sixty eight pound weight class. A few weeks later,

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he was stripped to the title because of a disagreement

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or a b for however you want to describe it,

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over the fact that he did not pay the sanctioning fees. Now,

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in that particular fight, he was fighting for the WBC

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Super middleweight title, which he won and didn't pay the fee.

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That seems pretty obvious that you'd have to pay the fee.

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You can disagree with the amount of money and this

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and that, but it's sort of like, if you decide

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to fight to fight, you know the rules of the road.

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It's not like Terrence Crawford is a guy that never

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fought for titles in different organizations. So in my opinion,

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it's sort of the same thing as if you know

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you and I go out for a lunch and we

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split before the bill comes and we dine and dash.

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That is what that is. Corse Stevenson is in a

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similar situation. The difference though, is that he was the

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WBC lightweight champion fighting in a WBO Junior Wealth their

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Way title fight. But and this is part of the rules.

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You can agree with it or you can disagreete it,

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but they're in black and fucking white. If you do that,

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the WBC must sanction that fight as what they call

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a quote unquote special event, and you must pay a

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sanction fee for fighting out of your division for somebody

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else's title. Now it's not as much of a sanction

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fee as when you fight for your own title, which

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is usually three percent. I believe in the case of

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what's going on here, you pay one and a half percent.

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And I don't know if it's got a cap on

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it like they do, if it's a full three percent

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on the full title.

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Speaker 1: But of Corse Stevenson put it on social media, we're

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coming to this that it was one hundred thousand dollars

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whatever that comes to, right, And are you saying clarify

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that he didn't pay it because it seemed like in

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his post that he did pay it and that he's mad.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think he did pay it. That's

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the thing. That's that's the myny. And now I tried

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to track down I talked to Chakor's people, and nobody

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seemed to really know for sure. But if he had

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paid it, they wouldn't have stripped him. They would have

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given him the two weeks to decide. So you know,

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I've reached out to Mauricio Suliman about it. I saw

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something on his social media that he lost his phone

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so he couldn't get back to anybody.

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Speaker 1: So okay, hold on, we'll get to that in a moment.

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Shakur word for word in a tweet on Wednesday, and

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I just paid these dudes after my last fight fight.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, but that was a WBC mandatory defense, where

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of course he paid that. That was a WBC title.

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Of course, He's making the point in one of his

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posts that I don't know why I got to pay

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one hundred k this. They weren't even involved with this fight,

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and they really wanted to be involved with the fight,

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and so I'd rather give thee hundred k to my daughter.

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I mean, I'm paraphrasing what he said, so I think

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that it was the same situation. Now, in the WBC's announcement,

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they never mentioned anything about sanction fees because they just didn't.

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That would probably be a bad look for them.

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Speaker 1: This whole thing is a bad look for them.

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Speaker 2: But here's the other aspect of it. Though, Shakur is

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very very close to Terrence Crawford, Right, I'm sure I'm

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not saying he did it because of that, but clearly

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he's aware of what happened with you know, big brother

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Terrence Crawford. So you know, that's the way that goes.

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So he was shripped after four days. Now, I guess

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he could still theoretically go back to one hundred and

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thirty five pounds. Maybe, you know, let's say he would

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fight Raymond Murrattai for the IBF title. Probably that would

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be for the ring title also.

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Speaker 1: But this whole thing, I have a friend of mine

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that loves this phrase. This whole thing stinks to suburbia

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because he fought the WBC's number one contender last July. So,

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in whatever vernacular, a subheading of whatever WBC rule, he

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doesn't have to fight anybody from the WBC right now

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next week.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's not That's not what anybody's contending.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just saying, what is the urgency that

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we have to have a vacant world title fight, which

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it says in the WBC statement, there is no urgency.

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He fought the number one guy.

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Speaker 2: You're missing the point. It has nothing to do with that.

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This is a Again they didn't say this, but the

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inference is this is about the money. It's always about

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the money.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but but by the same.

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Speaker 2: Paid the money. If he had paid the hundred k.

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This is my interpretation because no one wants to give

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a straight fucking answer. If he had paid the one

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hundred k, he would still be the WBC lightweight champion

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today and still have another, you know, a couple of

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weeks to figure.

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Speaker 1: Out what he wants. And that tells you all you

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need to know about these organizations. These organizations and they

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make up whatever they want to do.

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Speaker 2: I cannot accept that.

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Speaker 1: Here here I come again, because you're dead on this point.

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Speaker 2: Capitol d E very much alive, brother, no.

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Speaker 1: Brother, here you go. Jamal Charlow was allowed to keep

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the WBC see Middleweight titles that three years. Forget about

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sanctioning fees. He fought no One. You are d e

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a d on Them's the rules. This is the business.

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Hold on, hold on, make uh. They make it up

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as they go along, but they don't make them have

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to fight anyone without being stripped.

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Speaker 2: If you fight, you gotta pay. If you disagree with that,

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if you fight, you gotta.

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Speaker 1: We just we just suspended or just stripped a guy

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four days after he fought. I'm not talking about the why.

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I'm talking about on my reference point. Jamal Charlow fought

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No One for three years, So enough with the can

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They always follow the letter of their rules, and they're.

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Speaker 2: Not even go to make this statement in the they're

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totally unrelated. You're conflating related, my friend. Let me help

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you one more time. It is the same organization who

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health strip the other fighter.

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Speaker 1: That's the point they are again.

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Speaker 2: In Charlot's case. You can agree with it or you

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can disagree that. I will give Mauricio Suliman even though

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I disagreed with his decision, he didn't come out and

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ignore the questions. He said, our guy Charlot was struggling

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with his mental health. We're not going to put him

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in a position to make that worse by stripping of

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the title. Now, if you disagree with that, no problem.

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But at least he came out and said that this

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is totally different. This is a fighter who knows the rules,

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who didn't pay the fee, and therefore the title is

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now stripped. End of story. Now the title is vacant.

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They have an interim champion, Jadier Herrera, who became the

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interim champion after the whole Fulton Oshaki Foster craziness, and

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presumably when they get around to it in the next

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you know, a few days or a week or whatever,

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the WBC will order Herrera to fight their next leading

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contender in the WBC ratings. I don't have them in

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front of me. I don't know who it is. And

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Chaquor will be just fine making a lot of money

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fighting at either one thirty five or one forty. I

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think he should stay at one forty because there's bigger fights,

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there's bigger money. He looks so fucking good at that weight,

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and the way he fought the fight in terms of

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everything about it, that the way his body looked, his punching,

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his jab, everything about it. So in the end, he'll

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have a beef with the WBC, and fucking life will

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go on for all of us.

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Speaker 1: I again say, they do whatever they want for their

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own purposes. They violate their own rules.

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Speaker 2: They want what should they have done?

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Speaker 1: What should they have done? Just give him some time

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to decide whether or not he's gonna fight at one

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thirty five, and then work out the whole work out

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the one hundred thousand dollars, Then work out one hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: But if he said I'm not paying, what's what is

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the difference? If I'm not gonna I'm playing devil's ad.

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If you get a little bit, if a.

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Speaker 1: Devil's advocate like you do on every podcast about everything,

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all I'm saying to you, he's not going to pay

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in four days. In four days, it doesn't make that

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much difference.

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Speaker 2: But if you're not going to pay in four days,

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and you're not going to pay in ten days or

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twenty days or thirty days, what's the difference.

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Speaker 1: But if he's gonna come back and fight at one

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thirty five and defend their title, don't sit here and

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act like they wouldn't have worked out the one hundred

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grand for this fight. Please he clear that to somebody

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else that doesn't know the sport and doesn't know.

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Speaker 2: It seemed to be of the opinion and based on

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what he put on his social that he wasn't paying

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the money all right, because they were not. It was

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not a w I it was not.

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Speaker 1: If this whole this whole thing is a joke at

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one thirty five for the WBC and we can let it,

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we can litigate it for another ten minutes. The fact

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that they made up a vacant title fight to try

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to salvage whatever they could salvage out of the Oshaki

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Foster situation tells you what a joke it is at

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one thirty five right now.

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Speaker 2: At the fight that we're had on Saturday against Ben,

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let's say a WBC Junior walterweight title fight. I do

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think he would have paid the money. I think he

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issue the fact that it wasn't a WBC. That's kind

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of very clear in the rules. If you're not fighting

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WBC fight, you're fighting a different division for a title,

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you still got to pay some type of fee. They

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got a sanction as a press and.

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Speaker 1: Unless, of course, once more, the rules are Jamal Charlow

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can keep the belt for three years. I'm not saying,

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okay one more time. I'm not saying it's the exact

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same scenario. What I'm saying to you is this is

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an organization that did not strip the fighter for three

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years when he fought No One. They didn't obey their

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own rules. It's not the same reason. They didn't obey

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their own rules, and he made up the reason. Thank you,

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I need a tile In all.

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Speaker 2: We did not pay the money is the only thing

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that matters in this case, No, no.

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00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: It does not. What matters is the WBC will do

473
00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:51,559
whatever is in their financial interests, including violating their own

474
00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:55,920
rules about having to fight a fight to keep their title,

475
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,799
if it's in their interest, that's the point. That's the point,

476
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,640
and it's obvious that that's the point. Get rid of

477
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,440
the guy in four days, please, all right, let's move

478
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,960
on before I have to have two tile and all.

479
00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: Jervonte Davis, by the way, you think you need to

480
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,599
talent alls? How do you think Tank Fiels?

481
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: But by the way, who's been saying for the better

482
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,319
part of about six months on these podcasts and elsewhere,

483
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:28,160
probation violation to go back to jail in Baltimore, and

484
00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:31,000
here we go. That's the development now. First of all,

485
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:33,440
to me, it's comical that they turned right around and

486
00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:35,799
let him out on bail after they looked for him

487
00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:38,240
for the better part of like eighteen days and couldn't

488
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:38,599
find him.

489
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,039
Speaker 2: It was half of that.

490
00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: So now this is on a serious charge, domestic violence charge,

491
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:51,359
and the Baltimore authorities and the Baltimore judge want him

492
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,759
in Baltimore with a warrant because he's going to go

493
00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:57,960
to the Baltimore jail for probation violation that appears to

494
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:58,839
be black and white.

495
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to go to if

496
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:00,920
they can.

497
00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,799
Speaker 1: Fight, That's exactly what she's going to do. This is

498
00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:05,480
what probation is all about.

499
00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:07,799
Speaker 2: And I understand that, but until he actually does it,

500
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,640
I can't sit here and tell you that that she.

501
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,079
Speaker 1: Put him in jail for violation of the house arrest.

502
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,799
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I'm not saying that.

503
00:24:13,759 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: She's looking to check in to see if he's in

504
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,759
shape to have a fight in the next ninety days.

505
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: What I'm saying to is, most likely, yes, he's gonna

506
00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:24,319
end up doing some time, But I don't know that

507
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,599
for sure, and neither do you and till it actually occurs.

508
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:31,759
But here's the more important point. Uh, This man, Kank

509
00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:34,519
Davis has had more arrest warrants issue for him in

510
00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:36,920
the last two weeks then he's had or he has

511
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,119
had the same number of arrest warrants in the last

512
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,400
two weeks as he's had boxing matches in the last

513
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,599
two years. That's why his career is in the toilet.

514
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: His career is in the toilet, and he's had a

515
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,480
much bigger problem. He's he's got much bigger problems than

516
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,160
boxing right now because his freedom is going to be

517
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,559
at stake for a while.

518
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: Ahead and boxing, well, you know, he got a lifeline

519
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,680
to go make a ton of money again Jake Paul

520
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,000
in a fight didn't even count on anything. But before

521
00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:06,200
that he couldn't keep his hands to himself right as

522
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,319
he hasn't been able to do it for.

523
00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:10,079
Speaker 1: Years, is right throw in allegedly because he hasn't been

524
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:13,200
convicted of that one. He was convicted in Baltimore of

525
00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:15,480
leaving the scene of hit and run with serious injury

526
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:20,519
and felonies. He actually not a plea deal. He wasn't here.

527
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: It was in that particular case, there was fourteen counts.

528
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:25,839
He pleaded guilty to four, one of which was a felony.

529
00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:28,680
The hit and run injured four people, including one woman

530
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,400
who was pregnant.

531
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: And she's also been suing him and I don't know

532
00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:35,240
how that ever got resolved. But again, if you're putting

533
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,279
your money on what's going to happen in Baltimore, he's

534
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:39,319
going back to the lock up to serve some more time.

535
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,079
How long, I don't know, but probation violations and this

536
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,839
judge was having none of it back before when he

537
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:46,960
violated the house arrest.

538
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:49,279
Speaker 2: He's already raised her ire earlier in the case.

539
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: Yes, and by the way, he hid from the authorities

540
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,279
for two and a half weeks before he was finally caught. Comically,

541
00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:59,880
as you were coming out of a store with shopping bags.

542
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you just can't make the shit up, TJ.

543
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,759
Speaker 1: No, we cannot. Shall we move on to more comedy?

544
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,640
And that is the decision that was rendered in the

545
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,359
IBF Junior Middleweight Championship fight with Josh Kelly and Bakram

546
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,359
martaz Aliev is now under question. Martaz Aliev has formally

547
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:21,319
asked the IBF to give him a rematch, and this

548
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,759
all goes back to the judge Steve Gray scoring the

549
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:29,319
final round ten to ten and not for Matazalaiah potentially,

550
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:32,119
which would have made the fight a draw. All right,

551
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:37,480
So let's cut to the chase. Realistically, wouldn't the rematch

552
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:41,279
be the ideal solution here on this? And realistically what

553
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,640
chance does he have? What leverage does he have to

554
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,640
force that rematch?

555
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,759
Speaker 2: Bachraum, Well, he has no leverage. All he can do

556
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:48,480
is kind of throw himself on the mercy of the court,

557
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,839
so to speak. With the IBF. Now, the IBF rules

558
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,440
are clear. The President of the IBF and their championship

559
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:57,920
chairman have the ability to order a direct rematch if

560
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,839
they so desire, It says that Cleary. It's one of

561
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,279
the rules that I listed in the article that I

562
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:06,079
wrote about it. It is. It is highly unusual. We

563
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,240
discussed it the on the post fight stuffhen we were

564
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,880
talking about this fight for that level of a fight,

565
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,240
for a experienced judge, or any judge for that matter,

566
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:15,160
to score round twelve of a championship fight or any

567
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,880
fight Joe ten to ten, it is ridiculous. It is,

568
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,079
it is frowned upon. It's not against the rules, but

569
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,599
the reason that ten ten rounds exist are basically the

570
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,279
way that they're most often implemented is two reasons. One,

571
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,839
it's round one and literally nothing happens. Or you have

572
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,279
a scenario where a fight is stopped from like a

573
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,200
like a for a foul reason or a head butt

574
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,480
or something along those lines, and it's only a few

575
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,480
seconds into the round and nothing literally happens. So they say,

576
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:45,480
you still have to score the round, and then it's

577
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:46,960
going to be a ten ten round if no punches

578
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,200
are thrown. And I've seen that happen. You know, fight happens,

579
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,680
rebell rings, guys playing heads, and you know, five seconds

580
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,000
into the round, nothing neither punch. They score ten to ten,

581
00:27:56,319 --> 00:27:59,440
but ten ten in in that And by the way,

582
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:01,519
it wasn't round where nothing happened. It was a good

583
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:03,359
action pack round rounds well, it was probably the best

584
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,599
from entertainment value, was probably the best round of the fight.

585
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,039
So anyway, they wrote their letter to the IBF President

586
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,759
Darryl Peeples. I have a copy of it which I

587
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:14,359
read and wrote some stuff from that letter in the

588
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,759
story that I wrote about it, and I have followed

589
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:23,839
up since then. The IBF has informed the Kelly Camp

590
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,680
that this has happened. They have forty eight hours to

591
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,359
respond to give their perspective, and then at some point

592
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,000
over probably the next few days, I would say probably

593
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,480
early next week. Anyway, the IBF will end up making

594
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,880
a decision. If they order a rematch, that'll be what happens,

595
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,039
and if they don't, then Kelly can go on about

596
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:39,559
his life. I don't think Kelly really wants to do

597
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:41,319
a rematch. Why would he. It was a really tough,

598
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:43,640
close fight and that has got the opportunity to go

599
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,079
and make whatever fight he wants. He doesn't have a

600
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:47,319
mandatory do when he can fight and bring in a

601
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:50,440
big crowd up in his home area in Newcastle, England

602
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,079
and then move on with his life. He doesn't want

603
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:54,759
to fight Backerraam again. Why would he? But I can

604
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,119
understand why Bakram wants to fight because he wants to

605
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:57,880
get his title back.

606
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: All right, state tune on whether the IBF orders that.

607
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:04,200
And they've done those kind of things in the past.

608
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,599
All these different organizations have done those kind of things.

609
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,359
So let's see what they believe. How much weight does

610
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,200
it carry on the ten ten scoring in the final round?

611
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,240
Being dubious, that's the word that we will use speaking.

612
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: I use, by the way TJ or dubious, I use

613
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:18,799
the word of fust ship.

614
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,359
Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's a more direct way. Caka uh ca

615
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,000
in the Espanol.

616
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: It's it's such an absolute fucking disgrace to score that

617
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:31,720
round ten to ten. I'm with you, it really is.

618
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:34,039
It's just and the people I've been like arguing with

619
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:36,400
people on fucking social media about it the last two

620
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,640
days about it. The fact that people are defending that

621
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,279
is just I don't even understand it. It doesn't make

622
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,000
any sense. These are professional judges, they like.

623
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the judge that gave Buru eight

624
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:50,119
rounds in the fight in Puerto Rico and the junior

625
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:56,480
middleweight unification title. But still, I mean, that's that's repeatedly

626
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,400
giving guys, giving a guy rounds that he didn't deserve, and.

627
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: Potentially the decision. You know, that's true.

628
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,599
Speaker 1: Speaking of the IBF, all right, the lineal IBF cruisweight

629
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,799
champion gi Opataia we knew, We've talked about it already,

630
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,920
has gone with ZUFA Boxing as his new promotion, at

631
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,599
least for now, co promoter. He's going under their umbrella.

632
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,160
You've mentioned he's still with Tasman Fighters and this is

633
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,519
a very interesting test case. So the fight has been

634
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,440
announced for March the I don't even if they announced

635
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,480
it from market, but you've been you've been talking about

636
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:28,039
that date, March the eighth.

637
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: They said it on the on the broadcast.

638
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,119
Speaker 1: When the interview, they go, so Sunday night, March the eighth,

639
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,839
and you've learned the opponent. Brace yourselves, folks. I'm gonna

640
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:37,920
go ahead and tip it. It's not earth shattering, but

641
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,400
you've learned the opponent, so go ahead here on the pod.

642
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:42,759
Speaker 2: Well, I think there was a lot of people that

643
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:45,480
thought it might be the unification fight with Noel McCallion

644
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:49,240
because when gi Opataia was at the Apex as a

645
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,720
guest after he had signed with ZUFA, and he was

646
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,440
interviewed on their first broadcast, behind the scenes they had

647
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,319
done a face off because McCallan was there. Won the

648
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,000
WBC belt in December against in the rematch he had

649
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,119
with Ded Dude Jack. He has he's unenclumbered promotionally. I

650
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:10,279
guess Don King is still as promoter, but he's allowed

651
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:11,640
to go do his own thing and Don will just

652
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,279
get paid on whatever the next fights are and so

653
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,240
some people thought, oh, that's an interesting you know in

654
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:20,160
Jiy's whole point was I want to be a unified champion.

655
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,079
So there was I think some hope that he could,

656
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:24,720
you know, be in that unification fight because the only

657
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,559
way he can get another belt is to do that

658
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:28,599
match because the other guy with the titles, which is

659
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,279
Zerto Ramirez, is already signed to fight Denvidez in May,

660
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:34,799
so that that avenue of those belts was not there

661
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:38,160
for him. But maybe they'll make the Opataia and mccallian

662
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,559
fight after this. But instead of doing that fight, in

663
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:45,400
the March eight fight, he's gonna take on the Atlanta,

664
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,519
Georgia contender, Brandon Glanton, who is twenty one and three

665
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:53,519
with eighteen ncouts, a very good puncher. You know. He

666
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:56,000
lost a fight to Chris Billem Smith in a non

667
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,720
title fight that was back in mid twenty twenty five.

668
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,400
One one fight since then, and it was pretty good win.

669
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,880
Actually he stopped in the sixth round. This is one

670
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,039
of those cars that took place in Lagos, Nigeria, back

671
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:11,200
in October. He stopped Marcus Brown, who had been the

672
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:14,599
United States Olympian, had been a light heavyweight contender, had

673
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:18,079
had suffered a knockout loss to Arthur Better Beev in

674
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:20,359
a fight that was in Canada, had moved up the cruiserweight.

675
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,480
But still, you know, a reputable name and a pretty

676
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:26,519
good fighter, and and Glanton, you know, stopped him at

677
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:28,359
the end of the sixth round, so he gets the

678
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,920
title fight of the peers. I don't think it was.

679
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,799
It was uncessarily a one percent signed, sealed, delivered, but

680
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:34,920
my sources told me that's the guy, and that's the

681
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,880
fight that will headline the zoofa card from the Apex

682
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,079
in Las Vegas on March eighth.

683
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:43,279
Speaker 1: All right, uh, stay tuned, and again I would love

684
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:45,119
to know. And this thing is going to progress. How

685
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,519
many fights is Opataia signed up for beyond like two?

686
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:54,599
We don't know, we'll find out. Stay tuned, we'll see.

687
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:57,759
But that's the March eighth opponent. Okay. Continuing with the

688
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:02,119
IBF per spid, this was interesting earlier this week for

689
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,440
the welterweight title owned by Lewis Crocker. The mandatory challenger

690
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:12,039
is Liam Parro and in the end, Parro's promoter, No

691
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:16,519
Limit Boxing, in association with Premiere Boxing Champions and TG

692
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,759
TGB Promotions. They got the winning bid, give us the

693
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,960
details and what does this mean for where the fight's

694
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:22,279
going to be.

695
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,119
Speaker 2: Well, this was a little bit of a surprise, I mean,

696
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,359
and if you're Lewis Crocker, you kind of be kind

697
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:31,079
of really disappointed because they were trying to do matchroom

698
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:35,640
boxing to do to do him Crocker in a rematch

699
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,079
with you know, a fight that would take place in

700
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,680
Delfast with ConA Walker, which would have brought in a

701
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,119
big crowd and he'd be fighting in front of his

702
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,039
home crowd and defending the title. And then the IBF

703
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:48,480
put the cabash on that and said no, no, no, no,

704
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:50,680
you got to make the mandatory because he already I

705
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,720
guess it was due. And then Paro had had become

706
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:56,319
the number one challenger or whatever. So okay, now they

707
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:58,319
got to negotiate to fight with Parro, who is a

708
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:00,599
former IBF title holder in the one and forty pound

709
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,640
way class. They couldn't make a deal, or they didn't

710
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,920
make a deal. It went to a perspit on Tuesday.

711
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,920
And now in a perspit situation, the champions team has

712
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,119
the edge because they only have to give up thirty

713
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,559
five percent of the money, as opposed to if you're

714
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:19,519
the the Challengers promoter and you win the PERSPID, you

715
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,480
got to give up sixty five percent of the money.

716
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,199
So from a financial point of view, it's always better

717
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,360
in terms of the business if you if you are

718
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,679
the champions promoter. So it was a little bit of

719
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,960
a surprise that it was in fact No Limit Boxing

720
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,880
that won this pers bid. They outbid Maatchroom Boxing by

721
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,679
only twenty seven thousand dollars, which, when you're talking about

722
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,960
a bid that's over a million bucks DJ, that's pretty close.

723
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,840
They bid one million, one hundred and fifty two grand and

724
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,360
Bathroom bid one million, one hundred and twenty five thousand.

725
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,400
And so when you win the purse bid, you get

726
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:51,119
control of the fight, so you tell the other side

727
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,159
when the fight is, where the fight is is, you know,

728
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,400
within the rules and the parameters of the timeline that

729
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,239
they offer, it's usually like, you know, ninety days or

730
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,199
sixty days. So while they have not said that eight

731
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,199
of this fight it will take place, as as No

732
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,599
Limit said when they announced that they had won the

733
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,440
person fit, it will take place in Australia, giving Carrow

734
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,800
the hometown and then and so instead of fighting in

735
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,639
delphas against Kona Walker, now Crocker's got to go to

736
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:16,199
Australia to fight when I think most people would look

737
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:19,320
at as a much tougher fight on Parro's home turf.

738
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,559
And there's a probable chance that this fight, although will

739
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:27,840
be a pay per view in Australia on their platforms,

740
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,880
in the United States because of PBC's involvement, very strong likelihood.

741
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,000
I am told it, it will wind up as a as

742
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,119
a non pay per view just as part of your

743
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,320
regular prime video endeavor.

744
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:40,559
Speaker 1: Let me let me help on that point. There is

745
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,440
zero pay per view market for that fight in the

746
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,760
United States, certainly Australia is, Certainly in Europe you could

747
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,239
probably get away with I'm just making yeah, no, I

748
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,280
got you. But in America that there's no reason to

749
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,599
put it on pay per view because no one will

750
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:52,960
buy it.

751
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:54,679
Speaker 2: I'm making the point that most people in the hear

752
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:56,320
prime video in America, they think of pay per view

753
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,320
because that's pretty much all they've done. This would not

754
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,400
be that, this would be, you know, just part of

755
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,800
your regular prime video.

756
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,079
Speaker 1: And what is what is the timeframe? Do we think

757
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:06,280
this is March April is it later than that or

758
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,639
what do we think? Because typically they want the fight

759
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,000
like within ninety days of the purse.

760
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: Bit right, they have they have ninety days to put

761
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,239
on the fight. So until they send the contracts back

762
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,000
and everything gets signed, sealed and delivered. Right now, they

763
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,400
know what the purses are, but they don't have the

764
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,480
I'm sure that that no limit has an idea of

765
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,719
when and where they want to put it on, but

766
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,280
that has not been made public. But they do have

767
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,800
ninety days to get everything tidied up.

768
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: All right, One more item here? I thought, can't we

769
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,320
have good things? I thought we were getting Diego Pacheco

770
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,840
and Hamza Shiraz for the vacant WBO one hundred and

771
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,639
sixty eight pounds super middleweight title. That is not the case.

772
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:42,480
So who is the new fighter that is now inserted?

773
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,760
What have you been able to find out? You've been

774
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,119
doing some digging what's going on?

775
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: So I have talked to the WBO about this, and

776
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,760
it is very disappointing. First and foremost at Diego Pacheco, who,

777
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,000
after he had his last victory against Sajo, he and

778
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:57,880
Eddie Hearn stood there in the ring and in the

779
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,639
interview talked about what they wanted next, and they specifically

780
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:03,280
mentioned Hams of Sharraz as the opponent that they wanted

781
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,920
to fight. All right, I'm signing up, as you would say,

782
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,880
that's a good fight to you know, two quality young

783
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,679
guys you're looking to make a name for themselves, looking

784
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:13,599
to become a champion. I mean that that's a good matchup.

785
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,360
Diego Pacheco has decided against that. He is now with

786
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,159
a new manager. I'm not sure what that has to

787
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:21,679
do with it, but you know he's headed towards free

788
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,159
agency at some point in the near future.

789
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:23,679
Speaker 1: Uh.

790
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: But to me, you know, I don't know how a manager,

791
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,880
you know, you might be able to get more money

792
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,920
if you just you know, hit he can negotiate even

793
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,639
if he doesn't have a new contract. Because minimums are minimums,

794
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,800
it doesn't mean you can't negotiate more than your minimum.

795
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,920
And obviously, if you're fighting Hams of Shiraz, you would

796
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,000
think he can his team can negotiate more money from

797
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:48,360
that room on that fight compared to if he's fighting

798
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,599
you know, Kevin leile Sajo, which is obviously a much

799
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,280
smaller fight. So I'm not gonna sit here and tell

800
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,960
you it's a flat out duck, but they made a

801
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,320
strategic decision to do something else in the meantime. Okay, fine,

802
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,920
So that leaves Sharaz with the next in the ratings

803
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,679
for the WBO, and it is a thirty eight year

804
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:06,480
old German fighter named Alam Begich who has a glittering

805
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:09,599
record at twenty nine oh to one with twenty three knockouts.

806
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,880
And then, as our good friend Steve Farhad would discuss

807
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,800
on the old Showbox series, okay, take us behind the numbers.

808
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,000
But when you go behind the numbers, you look at

809
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,679
his reck and you see you fought a bunch of nobody's.

810
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,360
I mean, it's a glittering record built on literally nothing.

811
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,039
So that doesn't mean he's not good. It just means

812
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,000
he's obscure. And it's a disappointment because it's not the

813
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,679
same level of the of an interesting kind of fight

814
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,599
on paper as it would have been had he been

815
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:37,039
fighting against Diego Pacheco. Now, it's not Hamasa Shiraz's fault.

816
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,079
He was willing to do the fight. You got to

817
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:40,400
fight who they put in front of you. Obviously, he

818
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,519
wants to win a title.

819
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,519
Speaker 1: Does this against I understand, So this is his fight

820
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:47,559
that he's gonna have, and what's the what's the timeframe?

821
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:49,599
What's the date we're looking at again for this?

822
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,039
Speaker 2: Okay, so this fight has not been formally announced, but

823
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,519
I am told by sources involved that it will be

824
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:56,039
Main ninth in Manchester, England.

825
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,639
Speaker 1: All right, So this makes me wonder. So that's that's

826
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,000
now to be a good three months away. This makes

827
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:05,679
me wonder. Is Pacheco somehow in play for Christian Mobilly?

828
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:08,039
Here we go again with the WBC because they elevated

829
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:12,239
him to the WBC one hundred and sixty eight pound

830
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,880
full championship, or is there another potential title fight that

831
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,079
Pacheco was more interested in. I don't know why.

832
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't I don't know if it's specifically

833
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,079
that fights necessarily. I mean, although if you tell me,

834
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:27,519
I didn't you know that Pachecko didn't do a fight

835
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:29,480
with the Shiraz. Oh, by the way, he's gonna fight Mobilly?

836
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,800
I mean, how could you complain about that? Now? The

837
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,880
thing about the super midiweight division right now is you have,

838
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,480
like you said, Mabilly has the WBC title, but Hams

839
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,320
of Shiraz and the German Degic are going to fight

840
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,519
for the WBO title that's vacant. The IBF title is

841
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:46,199
presently vacant, and you have Armando Armando Resendez who was

842
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,119
elevated from interim to the full title holder when Crawford

843
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,119
ended up retiring and vacating all the titles, and Rizendez.

844
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,960
Nothing is definite, but there's a possibility that he may

845
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,559
fight Berlanga. They've been this, that's been something that's come up. Uh,

846
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:03,760
we shall see. But what what Pacheco does, I don't

847
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,039
know if it's going to be that type of fight.

848
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:07,320
I think that he wants to have another fight that's

849
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,360
maybe not as taxing while he does whatever he does

850
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:10,599
when his.

851
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: Why would you not want to fight Resendez for a

852
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,400
world title or fight Mobility for a world title if

853
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,039
you're not gonna Fightendas.

854
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: Is not on the table for Pachecko as far as

855
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,320
I know, So that's not even an option.

856
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,639
Speaker 1: Much so that we can watch Edgar Berlanga, who got

857
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:29,000
picked up with a snowshovel off the mat at the

858
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:31,760
uit at the United States Tennis Center after he fought Sharaz.

859
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,920
We need to have that fight instead. Can't we have

860
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,639
good things? I began the whole premise. I got to

861
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:37,119
have good.

862
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: Things Berlanga far Resendez, I can't. I'm not gonna get

863
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,199
bad about that. It's probably a fun fight. I mean,

864
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,960
whatever you think about Berlanga, it's not like he's not

865
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:43,519
fun to watch.

866
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: I just want better fights. I thought we were gonna

867
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,039
have a good win with this one, but apparently we're not.

868
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:51,840
Pacheco's gonna fight some guy or I'm sorry, Shara is

869
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,440
going to fight some guy we never heard of in

870
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,519
Manchester coming up.

871
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: And the other name that's come up, by the way,

872
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,159
is like a mongia as well as one of the

873
00:40:58,199 --> 00:40:59,239
possibilities for for them.

874
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: That's more compelling than Berlina, by the way, but I

875
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,719
don't know. Yeah, one more thing, Let's do a little nostalgia,

876
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,079
because my man Rayfield was salivating that earlier. This week

877
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,000
was the thirtieth anniversary of an absolute barn burner Boxing

878
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:17,519
after Dark on HBO, the first ever boxing after Dark right.

879
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:22,159
The inaugural one was February three, nineteen ninety six, and

880
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:27,000
it was Marco Antonio Barrera and Memphis, Tennessee's Kennedy McKenny

881
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,960
wax nostalgic with me, my friend.

882
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: First of all, we haven't done any nostalgia in a while.

883
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:34,000
So when I looked at the calendar and I saw this,

884
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,039
and I posted my pictures of my poster, and not

885
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:40,159
that long ago, I actually bought a credential from this

886
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:43,199
fight from my collection. And as I say, whenever this

887
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,400
fight comes up, I don't know if there's a program

888
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,360
for this fight or an I have the HBO poster.

889
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,239
I don't know if there's an on site poster. And

890
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,280
I always say when I've written or mentioned it, if

891
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,280
you're out there listening, you know if one exists, or

892
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,440
you have one or a lead on one, hit me up, baby,

893
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,400
because I'm in the market.

894
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: You want the poster and or the program. You said both,

895
00:41:59,400 --> 00:41:59,800
you want.

896
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 2: The pro yes, sir. If I don't know if they exist,

897
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:05,320
that's okay. Wait, if they exist, somebody let me know.

898
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: I'd like to see boxing after dark at the Forum

899
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,440
in Inglewood, California, February ninety six. Barrera McKenny. Hit Rayphael

900
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:16,280
up on the d MS or wherever on the sub stack.

901
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:19,280
If you got some merch, he would be interested. But

902
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:21,039
tell me, tell me more about this fight.

903
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: That's an absolutely fucking spectacular fight. I think it's one

904
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,440
of the most underrated fights in like of the you know,

905
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,880
nineteen nineties to the present. I mean it's just everything

906
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,639
about is beautiful this fight. So, like you mentioned, you know,

907
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,960
HBO of course had their their land, you know, their

908
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,800
cornerstone series, World Championship Boxing, and in nineteen ninety six,

909
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,480
our good friend lud de Bella was one of the

910
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:46,800
main creators of this series. The idea was still have

911
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:49,199
you know, fun, exciting matchups, but it's going to be

912
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,880
a lot of guys that aren't as well known. Translates

913
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,400
also to you know, to less expensive to produce and

914
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,719
to have rights. Feace four gonna be a lot of

915
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,840
fights in the smaller weight divisions, and they thought they

916
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,280
could make a go of it. And when it became

917
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,599
as popular as it did, there were times where the

918
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,599
best boxing after Dark events were on par in terms

919
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:11,559
of viewership with World Championship Boxing. That's how great of

920
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:14,400
a fucking series that this was. And for this to

921
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,559
be the main event of the first show, it really

922
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:18,960
set the tone. Now, the opening fight on this particular

923
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,039
card was Johnny Tapia, who was a holding a junior

924
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:26,000
bantamwaly title at that point, scored a quick second round

925
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:28,719
knockout against a fighter named Giovanni Andre, which is a

926
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,079
very forgettable type of fight other than the fact that

927
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:32,880
Tappy is a Hall of Famer and you know, was

928
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,159
one of his many title defenses. But the main event

929
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:39,239
between Barrera and McKinney. You Barrera was a forum boxing

930
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,079
fighter who was a did not have the big time

931
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,880
American popularity, but was you know, kind of had a

932
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,920
great reputation coming out of Mexico. McKinney was a well

933
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,199
known fighter on the on the scene. He had been

934
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,239
in the Olympics and won a medal, and had been

935
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,960
in some, you know, a lot of televised fights. It

936
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,960
was just a great matchup, you know, Mexico versus America

937
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:01,360
white fighter or black fighter rather against the Mexican fighter.

938
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,599
You know, two warrior type guys, I mean, and they

939
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:08,400
delivered better than you could ever possibly have imagined. And

940
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,039
I will quote the great legend Larry Merchant, our dear

941
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:13,960
friend who at one point I was watching this back

942
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,880
such a great fucking quote as they're beating this ship

943
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,960
out of each other, and they're just going crazy in

944
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,599
this fight, and the crowd's going wild. Larry, you know,

945
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,800
I feel like we was speaking for everybody that night

946
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,039
when he says, I can watch this fight for a week.

947
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:32,039
I was just so Like Larry Brera got knocked down

948
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:35,119
in the eleventh round of that fight. I believe that

949
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:37,320
was the first time Marco was ever dropped in his career.

950
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,199
But he scored five knockdowns against McKinney over the course

951
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:43,519
of the fight, twice in the eighth round, once in

952
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,920
the ninth round, two more times in the twelfth round.

953
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:48,599
And he went when he went down for good. Uh,

954
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:51,800
you know, the referee in the fight was, uh, you

955
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,400
know you can hear because HBO had I guess I

956
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,840
had the uh they had him. I had a micd

957
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,960
up so you could kind of he didn't have like

958
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,800
the perfect audio of it. But I'm trying to remember

959
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,320
who the referee was. But he went and he said,

960
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:09,280
you got the greatest that you got like the best

961
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,559
heart I've ever seen, meaning McKinney, because he got off

962
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:16,480
the deck five times to you know, just show give

963
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:19,239
everything he possibly could. It was such a fantastic fight,

964
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,519
and the like I said, it's set the tone. The referee,

965
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:25,480
as I look it up here was Pat Russell. He

966
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:27,519
got the greatest heart I've ever seen kid or something

967
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,320
to that extent, and like, fights just don't get much better.

968
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: Hey, I got much love for Kenny McKinney. He was

969
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:36,679
rarely in a bad fight and was a fantastic smaller

970
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,400
weight fighter from my hometown of Memphis, Tennessee. I've often

971
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,719
shared when we do this nostalgia that my freshman year

972
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,920
of college at Memphis State University in Memphis, Tennessee what's

973
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,199
now the University of Memphis, Kennedy McKinney that fall that

974
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,440
September had won the gold medal the nineteen eighty eight Olympics,

975
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,559
and they had a Kennedy McKinny day and a parade

976
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,280
all through Memphis for him. There was such pride for him,

977
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,000
and he a again was in a lot of battles

978
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:06,039
late eighties and into the nineties, including in this fight.

979
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: For sure, Like if I was doing like, I'm not

980
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,119
sure Kennedy McKinney would be a guy I'd put in

981
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:13,960
the International Boxing Hall of Fame. But I have a

982
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,360
lot of memories of some of his good fights. I

983
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,119
think of like hall of really good, Like he was

984
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:22,199
on that level. He he hung with everybody, He fought

985
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,760
a lot of top guys. He obviously had this classic

986
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,119
fucking battle with Barrera, which is, you know, to me

987
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,079
for as much love as we all have for like

988
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:35,400
the Morales Barrera trilogy and other Marco Antonio Brera fights,

989
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,800
his victory against Nasim Ahmed and other exciting matches he's

990
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,880
been in. For me, the McKinney fight is literally, if

991
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,760
you said, Rayfael, make your top ten list of all

992
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,480
time favorite fights, I'd put this fight on that list.

993
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,679
Interesting one of my very favorite fights of all time.

994
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,159
And the thing about is because it kicked off Boxing

995
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:56,000
for Dark and set the tone, it went even greater

996
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,719
because like a few weeks later, I think it must

997
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,679
have been the second episode of Boxing to Dark had

998
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:05,760
another incredibly ridiculous classic in the in the main event,

999
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,280
and that was the night that Arturo Gatti had the

1000
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:12,159
legendary comeback against Wilson Rodriguez to retain his title at

1001
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,039
one hundred and thirty pounds. So you know, it's like

1002
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,480
they this this series was like, are you kidding me?

1003
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,519
We're gonna get this shit every single month. I mean,

1004
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:20,679
obviously not everyone lived up to that, but you know,

1005
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,559
early on you're like, okay, we got something here. Yeah,

1006
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:28,679
the matchmaking was supreme, The everything about the broadcast was incredible.

1007
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,679
The music that they ended up settling on for their

1008
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,119
theme music, you hear that today and it just takes

1009
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:36,719
you back to those great fights. But Brer McKinney, man,

1010
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:37,960
what a fucking listener.

1011
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to accept that thirty years or thirty

1012
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:44,280
years ago. February third, nineteen ninety six. Go YouTube that,

1013
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,159
uh Marco Antonio Burra on the deck and the eleventh

1014
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:48,719
round got up off the deck and still got a

1015
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,480
TKO win.

1016
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: Incredible for that night. Great so by the way he

1017
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,960
was he was defending his junior featherweight title at the time,

1018
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,880
which was when Breer was still you know, the baby

1019
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,119
assassin and just you know, just going after everybody, and

1020
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,199
McKinny gave him some of the best competition you ever

1021
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:07,519
had despite the five knockdowns.

1022
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: Love that Memphian all right. One other thing, Hey, there's

1023
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,000
a football game Sunday and a couple of people care,

1024
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:16,719
at least in North America. I don't know how much

1025
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,440
the rest of the world cares. Although the NFL is

1026
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,000
branching out. Did you see this Raypiel? We are we

1027
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:24,800
looking to go cover the La Rams and the San

1028
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,719
Francisco forty nine ers in the first ever NFL regular

1029
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,800
season game in Melbourne, Australia. They announced that on Thursday

1030
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:36,159
at the Super Bowl Gaday they're gonna play in Australia

1031
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,920
by American rules, with helmets.

1032
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: And short American rules.

1033
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,079
Speaker 1: They're not gonna play Australian rules football where those dudes

1034
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:46,119
run around like twenty five guys on a side killing

1035
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:49,119
each other with no padding, no helmets to kick the

1036
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:51,480
ball through the uprights and have the guy or the

1037
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:53,599
gal in the white hat and the white coats do

1038
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,000
the little signal like we used to watch on ESPN

1039
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,199
back in the day, when this is American football is

1040
00:48:59,199 --> 00:48:59,960
going to be played in Austo.

1041
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: When I hear it so, I mean, like any good

1042
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,159
American sports fan, of course I'm watching the Super Bowl.

1043
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:06,840
I'm looking forward to it. But when I hear that

1044
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,719
it's the Patriots who I despise, it's the Seahawks, which

1045
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,679
I have no particular opinion one way or the other on.

1046
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,360
When I hear that's the game that is going to

1047
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,800
settle the NFL championship, I think to myself, how many

1048
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,800
days until spring training?

1049
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,519
Speaker 1: My friends, well, right, it's coming around the corner. But

1050
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:26,079
but for this game, we've gone over this before. What's

1051
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:30,239
on the spread? Now, Yeah, you are bacheloring it this weekend.

1052
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:35,239
So John Rayfield and Missus Rayfield are gone. So there

1053
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,880
are they back on Super Bowl Sunday evening. You have

1054
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,199
a bachelorette with your own food and your own eats

1055
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,039
for the Super Bowl.

1056
00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 2: No, my wife and my son. My wife took my son.

1057
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:47,719
They went to Minneapolis, not to be involved in protests,

1058
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,679
to visit friends of ours who my son is friends

1059
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,000
with their child and we are friends with the parents.

1060
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:56,760
So they live like an hour outside of Minneapolis. So

1061
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,199
they are going to spend the weekend visiting with our friends.

1062
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,039
They will arrive home probably like like in the third

1063
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:04,159
quarter of the football game.

1064
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: All right, so safe travels to them. I haven't is

1065
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,000
what are the eats, because like I just found this out.

1066
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:14,519
I checked with the social coordinator aka my wife. We

1067
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:16,760
got married by the way, in nineteen ninety six, thirty

1068
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,320
years ago, around the time of that Kennedy McKinney Barra fight.

1069
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: He's beating you ever since I checked.

1070
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,079
Speaker 1: I checked with a social coordinator on what are we doing?

1071
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:27,880
My my updated schedule is that we're going to my

1072
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:31,840
sister and brother in law's house for the eats. And

1073
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,039
apparently so I can. I can say this because my

1074
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,320
sister does not listen to us on the Boxing podcast.

1075
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,400
Of all the thousands and thousands and thousands of you

1076
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,400
that do listen to us, she ain't one of them.

1077
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,920
She's not really a big fight fan. She's like laying

1078
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,239
out that they're gonna have some vegetables and some cheese

1079
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,880
and some kind of chip and dip. And I did

1080
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:58,239
to get started as her brother going and are we

1081
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,679
talking like chicken wing? Are we talking about little pizza bytes?

1082
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:06,559
Are we talking about little slider hamburgers. There's gotta be

1083
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:11,079
a payoff besides like rabbit food and appetizer food. We

1084
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:12,239
gotta we gotta do better.

1085
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: Than that people over for the Super Bowl or we

1086
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,320
do like we just watch as a family. My wife

1087
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,239
like whips up. She'll she'll bust out, like besides just

1088
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,119
traditional stuff like you mentioned, she'll go make like shrimp cocktail. Yeah,

1089
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:26,000
well that type of thing.

1090
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean, good stuff, something with some protein, not just

1091
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,239
the rabbit food. We're not just having you know, cheese

1092
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,679
and spiders. Throw something going, We got to find this

1093
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:40,920
out and straighten this out ultimately. Here Seattle and New

1094
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,000
England is a rematch. By the way, the last time

1095
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,079
the Seahawks were in the Super Bowl. There are a

1096
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:49,840
few guarantees in life, all right, death taxes, Ray, Phil

1097
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,320
and Reeves are gonna bicker on the podcast. Few guarantees.

1098
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,280
Let me give you another guarantee. If this game's down

1099
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,320
to the final seconds and the Seahawks have the ball

1100
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,920
inside the five yard line, I can tell you right

1101
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,840
now they're not going to throw the ball on the

1102
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,440
goal line like they did back in twenty fourteen when

1103
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,280
Russell Wilson very famously threw the pass and Malcolm Butler

1104
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,960
jumped in front of the receiver and picked it off

1105
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,119
and sealed the win when it looked like Seattle was

1106
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,440
about to win back to back Super Bowls again. Few guarantees,

1107
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:18,280
But the Seahawks ain't throwing in the clutch on the

1108
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,360
goal line in the final seconds of the game. That's

1109
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,239
not going to happen again.

1110
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm all about this. When you get down in that

1111
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,480
close to the goal line takes me back to my

1112
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:30,320
days watching my early New York Giants Super Bowl championships,

1113
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:31,360
Smash mouth.

1114
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: Yes, give it ToJ anders right, give it to oj

1115
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:36,960
Anderson and let him smash it in or one of

1116
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,360
those other giants, Tiki Barber, whoever Wheelers Steelers had, Frank o'harris.

1117
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,199
I'm trying to think in the day, you know that

1118
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,119
the Cowboys would give it to Emmitt Smith, much to

1119
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:48,480
your chagrin, when the Cowboys were actually relevant thirty years ago.

1120
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaking of a way, by the way, Barrera Morales thirtieth anniversary,

1121
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,599
that is also the final time the Dallas Cowboys. Actually

1122
00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,840
it was February of ninety seven, the next year, six seasons,

1123
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,519
the last time the Cowboys were in the Super Bowl,

1124
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:08,360
much less McKinney, Right, yeah, Barrea McKinney, My bad, Barrera

1125
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,920
McKenny is the same year that the Cowboys. The last

1126
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,440
time the Cowboys had a Super Bowl season thirty years ago,

1127
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,639
and yet we still talk about them incessantly.

1128
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: As much as I hate the Cowboys as a Giants fan,

1129
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,119
I actually always was a fan of Emmitt Smith as

1130
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:25,679
an individual player. I mean, he destroyed the cow the

1131
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,039
Giants on a number of.

1132
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,199
Speaker 1: The Casicola, Florida's Emmitt Smith all the way up in

1133
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,039
the panhands.

1134
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: But he is a great player.

1135
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,159
Speaker 1: I mean, I was tremendous.

1136
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,639
Speaker 2: I mean, my my favorite guys to watch in the

1137
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:37,719
non giants category back in those days. Huge fan of

1138
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,039
watching Emma Smith, huge fan of watching Barry Sanders.

1139
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: Of course, all of Barry Sanders highlights are against the

1140
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,960
Buccaneers in the oranget. Just go back and watch on

1141
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,840
all the commercials and all the YouTube videos.

1142
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 2: I mean viighlights against everybody.

1143
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: You've got Buccaneers grabbing air over and over and over.

1144
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,920
A Hall of Fame players too, Derek Brooks, John Lynch

1145
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,440
grab an air. Can't find him. Nonetheless, the super Bowl

1146
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,559
will be played this weekend. I think Seattle wins this

1147
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:02,880
against New England.

1148
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,159
Speaker 2: Stay tuned. I hope Seattle wins because I just hate

1149
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:06,599
the Patriots that much.

1150
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,519
Speaker 1: I understand. But Boston is all about this. New England

1151
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:12,639
is all about this. Stay tuned for that game. You

1152
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,559
and I will come back here off the weekend. Again,

1153
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,960
we've got these two world title fights. The first one

1154
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,840
in Guadalajara, Mexico for the WBO bantamweight title Christian Medina

1155
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,400
Adrian Curriel. Again is Friday night. As we released the

1156
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,920
podcast Thursday night, and a Friday morning and then Saturday

1157
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,280
afternoon US time Saturday night in Liverpool, England, Nick Ball,

1158
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,519
Brandon Figarola. That should be should be an entertaining one.

1159
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,840
We'll recap those when we come off the weekend. Other

1160
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,360
than that, Dan Rayfield, are we good?

1161
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:40,599
Speaker 2: I think we are.

1162
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,039
Speaker 1: We're done bickering for another episode and giving you the

1163
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:48,679
intel follow Subscribe, Apple Spreaker, Spotify, read Dan on the substack.

1164
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,519
Hit Dan up if you've got merch from the Brera

1165
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:57,519
McKinny fight February of ninety six at the Forum in Englewood, California.

1166
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,320
That plug is out there, that's offer is still out there.

1167
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,800
And with that, we're good here on this edition of

1168
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,480
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