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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to speak to us,

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please email the show at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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We'd love to hear from you. Molly, I hope you

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had a nice new year.

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Speaker 2: Did on that note on the mailing us last week?

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I assumed nobody would be listening to the show because

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it was Christmas week and it was our biggest mail

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bag ever, So yeah, who knows.

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Speaker 1: There were literally i'd say hundreds of recommendations for Christmas movies.

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I would say that some of them have less to

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do with Christmas, and Diehard had to do with Christmas.

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But I actually it'll talk about this later in the show,

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but it spurred me to watch some of the classics

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that I had never seen, and that it surprises people

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that I had never seen. So, but today, let's start

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with the death of former President Jimmy Carter, who I

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think was he.

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Speaker 3: A hundred on the dot I wasn't really paying attention.

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Speaker 2: Was Yeah, I have no idea a hundred sounds right, he.

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Speaker 1: Was either he was definitely one hundred or over. So

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I know that, and that's he's the longest living ex

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president ever his death.

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Speaker 2: Now Joe Biden is the oldest. No, Donald Trump is

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the oldest former president. Yeah, Joe Biden will soon be

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the oldest former president.

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Speaker 3: Joe. I think Jimmy Carter looked better than.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden looks though, right before his death, when I

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saw him and the wheel him out that day, I.

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Speaker 2: Think that's a bit much. Do you remember the pictures

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from when Actually one of the horrible things the last

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couple of months was when there were there was that

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they party for Jimmy Carter or something, and they filmed

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it from Afar, and it looked like he was not

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It really looked like he was going to die within hours.

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And they then announced that he had voted that year,

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and they were so happy that he had voted, And

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I was thinking, are we sure? Are we sure this

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guy is up for voting?

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe someone else filled it out for him. This

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is why we shouldn't have male ballots, right, I mean,

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unless they wheeled him down to the to the machine,

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which I don't think they could anyway, this is a

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weird discussion.

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Speaker 3: So I anyway, the media, of course, you.

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Speaker 2: Agree with everybody that said Jimmy Carter was our best

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president and best ex president. That's what I want to know.

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Speaker 3: Did they say it was our best president? Also? You know,

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it's weird about it.

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Speaker 2: Did you see some of the hagiography from the me

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It was pretty incredible, including that one cartoon showing him

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crushing Ronald Reagan under the weight of his greatness.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is, I don't think his president presidency

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was was a good one, but it is. He did

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some good things. People forget. He did deregulate. Yeah, he

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did regulated travel a bit. He was a deregulator. I

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don't know if people know this about him. He was obviously

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feckless in many ways. On foreign policy, he was terrible.

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He gets credit for the you know, his big moment

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is the Egyptian Israeli peace deal, which he had very

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little to do with American money. Of course, bribed Egypt

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into peace, but other than that, you know, the two

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countries had actually been working on it before.

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Speaker 3: He came in.

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Speaker 1: In any event, I don't I don't I think his

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presidency was mediocre. It's his post presidency that everyone talks

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about being so great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, before we before.

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Speaker 2: We moved to the post presidency. Do you remember. I'm

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too young to remember this, but I do remember my

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parents talking about this, the the economy under Carter.

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Speaker 1: I do I grew I mean, I was, you know,

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I sort of remember. I think I do. Sometimes, you know,

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where you hear a lot of stories and it becomes

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a memory that but I'm not sure if it is,

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but you know, gas lines and things like that. You know,

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a little kid in the seventies. I do remember, like

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nineteen eighty and perhaps I romanticize it, but all of

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a sudden, you know, I think Reagan brought a lot

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of patriotism back to the United States after you know,

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a decade I'd say of less than a decade, but whatever,

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many years of kind of wallowing in, you know, in

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recessions and in water get and all that. And then

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when I was a kid, I was ten, my dad

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drew me a map and we watched the eighty returns

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come in, and every time Reagan went a state, I

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would color it in.

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Speaker 3: I forgot what color, you know, and.

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Speaker 1: I hate, you know, I was pretty mad at Reagan

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because he didn't pick Jack Kemp, you know, as his veep.

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I'm sure I was just mirroring my dad's position on that.

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But anyway, it was an exciting time the US one,

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you know, the to Olympics, all of that. So I

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remember that change from the Cardiors to the Reagan years

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and the idea that things got worse after that, which

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the Reagan years like we were you know, oppressed or anything.

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you know, I know, we had some recessions after as well.

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Speaker 2: To note how based your father is, I love that

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he was rightly opposed to the selection of hw over Kemp.

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That's pretty interesting. And then also I thought I was

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a total nerd about politics as a kid, but I

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never drew in an electoral map. And and I'm writing

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this book on the Supreme Court and there's a story

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about one of the justices drawing in a map for

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the Kennedy election.

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Speaker 1: Well, if I may, since we brought up so my

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dad was very you know political vary into history, so

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and you'd have to cover the Korean War, let's say,

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and what was it called a diary like the cardboard

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paper and you'd put a map and whatever.

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Speaker 3: You'd paste them diorama. Yeah, I think that's what we

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I would come in with such detailed ones

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on the wars you would novel. It was so obvious

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my dad did it. It would be massive and like

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the maps I did. I mean I helped him, you know,

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he'd help me, but he gets so into it, so

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it was just funny. He was really into making maps

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and stuff. So anyway, I was really into the election.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not to go too for a field, but in

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seventh grade, I was in a class that was independent

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study and they put the fear of God into you

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at the beginning. They're like, you're going to pick a

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topic and then at the end of the year, you're

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going to make a presentation that's going to be like

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a college level presentation. You are going to be asked questions.

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but I just remember having the fear of God put

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into me. It was my first time moving from Ellen

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Entry School to Junior high school. I chose the Mayan

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Indian to study, and I spent that entire school year

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reading everything books got books, I got, you know, I

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went through the extensive National geographic collection we had. Did

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a really good presentation and I knew so much about

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the Mayan Indians, and everyone else did their presentation and

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it was more like what you would have done if

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you put like a month into it, as opposed to

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the entire school year, and I'm I distinctly remember the

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teachers being like, oh no, like we we scared this

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one too much, you know, and they think they like

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gave me an award at the end of the year

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that was clearly a we are so sorry for what

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we put you through.

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Speaker 1: Above and beyond or you know what's funny is, you

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know they like it was clear whose parents were really

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involved and who like worme to do.

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Speaker 3: You know whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I bet you that even though my dad helped

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me make those dioramas or whatever, it instilled a love

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of history. I mean that a lot of other kids'

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dads didn't do that, wouldn't so you know it's people

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like your dad did that whatever, but were you, you know,

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the scared you to do. But I bet that that

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is how you deal with your book now or anything

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you're doing, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I just I don't know it works.

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Speaker 2: Although I don't like when parents do too much. I

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feel like my kids they don't get help from us really. Also,

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they don't take help from us. Sometimes we'll make fun

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of them, reminding them that their parents are both professional writers,

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but they think they know more than we do.

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Speaker 3: Of course, they're teenagers.

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Speaker 2: But my friend Megan up in New York. I was

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meeting with her last year and asked her how things

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were going, and she has these two young boys, and

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she said, oh, things are going great. I just got

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an A on the science project for school. Like I

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asked one of my kids if they'd read the Odyssey,

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and they look at me like, you know, yeah, I've

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read it with three different translations already, and I was like, oh,

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I should probably get on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a long poem.

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Speaker 2: Okay, back to what.

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Speaker 1: It's listen, it's near's day. It was a long night

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last night for me, longer than usually. It's funny because

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I show up to this place at like eight and

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I'm like, well, This is usually when I'm like gearing

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up for bed, you know what I mean, It's like

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the Knight's just starting for me. Jimmy Carter, so as

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expected as you say, you know, they they set him

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up as this, you know, the greatest ex president of

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all time. And listen, he did some humanitarian work, There's

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no doubt about that. And here's the thing. Most legacies

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are complicated. You know, it's never oh, this person's a

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you know, a saint and this person's a villain. But

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the truth of the matter is there was no dict

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during his lifetime. Basically that Carter did not either you

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know a bet their regime in some way or you know,

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or empower them to do terrible things. I'm talking from

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hamas which he embraced years ago, to South American dictators,

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to Central American dictators, to North Korean dictators. He undermined

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virtually every president you know after he left, including Democrats

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like Clinton and Obama. So he changed presidents had never

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Speaker 3: I believe.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Teddy Roosevelt got a bit involved sort of in

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some stuff after his presidency, but most of them would not.

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their party, So I don't really under I mean, I

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understand he's a Democrat, but anyone who remembers the seventies

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and anyone who remembers what Carter did through all those

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years would know that he was a terrible, terrible ex president.

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think he was made the world

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a worse place. And I understand what you say about

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him being good domestically with some humanitarian work. That's that's true.

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is if you listen to all the people and sorry,

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I don't want to. In fact, I'm not going to say.

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There are complicated views of how he treated people, and

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I'll leave it at that. But as far as the

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policy perspective goes, yeah, I mean, his track record is

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not great. He frequently would give his approval to elections

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that were fraudulently done. Overseas, he helped North Korea get nukes.

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He was doing the opposite of helping in the Middle East.

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there's an appropriate role for ex president and he was

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not embodying that role. He should have known more than

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almost anyone else in the country how much that hurt things.

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take a back seat when other people were president. But yeah,

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George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, they both had to

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deal with someone who was meddling in very unhelpful ways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Carter also was in a sense sort of a

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accidental president. It was after warder Gape. I think, you know,

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they look for the most milk toast, seemingly moderate person.

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a shlacking in nineteen eighty. I just want to say,

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here are some of the people he helped prop up Castro.

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the election. I think you were probably one of the

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elections you're talking about. I mean, he gave that election

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legitimacy when there it was clearly a stolen election, and

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he's supposed to be pro democracy. He embraced, not just

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horrified in the PLO. He embraced Hamas. He told the

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Israelis to deal with Hamas. So these are all horrifying

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regimes and people, and a good person, like they were saying,

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he's a good man. A good man would not embrace

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these people. He did not just say this is a

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legitimate election.

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 1: He was a fanboy for a lot of these dictators.

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I don't know, you know, you came boring to someone's soul.

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in the end he didn't. And that's how we judge

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politicians and president. So I think that's important. I don't

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know anything else on him. Okay, he is ah. I

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think you know, Trump is show going to go to

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his you know, his state funeral, and I think that's fine.

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He was a president. I think traditional, you know, to

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do that is a tradition we've held and there's nothing

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wrong with it.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's what I was thinking. It was a

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good thing, not because it's that important that all ex

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presidents go go to the funeral of another ex president,

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but that we had gone through a period of time

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where the left was so insane that they were unable

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to treat the twenty sixteen election as legitimate or the

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Republican Party in general as legitimate. And so having Donald

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Trump go to the funeral, I think it's good for

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the left. I mean, I think it's good to make

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them realize that the way that they were behaving is

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just not helpful to themselves or to anyone else. And

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so I'm glad for that kind of normalcy.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I will say I was surprised to see that, you know,

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he'll be lying in state? Is that how you see it?

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I know it's like one or the other, But I

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don't remember laying lying laying in state. I don't know

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what I was trying it out. I was trying out both.

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We'll now get fourteen letters about the proper way to say.

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Speaker 3: This lying in state.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So I went to see Reagan when when he

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was in the Capitol after he died, and I stood

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in line for a very long period of time for that,

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and I was just wondering, are are people going to

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do that for Carter?

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Speaker 1: And if so, why, maybe the newsrooms of like NBC News,

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what was that? Maybe the NBC News newsroom, you know,

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will line up, but I'm not sure about normal people

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busting in from all over the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're treating it like it's going to be a

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big event, and I was kind of surprised by that.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I think Trump being there probably makes it a

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bigger event.

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Speaker 3: People you know, will probably want to see Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, it won't be going to the capital for them,

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or will he Maybe he will.

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Speaker 3: I know know two things I wanted to mention. One

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was The Times I think last year ran a whole.

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Speaker 1: Story giving sort of a platform to this guy who

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said that the nineteen eighty election had been stolen by

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Ronald Reagan because he had made a secret deal with

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the Iranians so that.

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Speaker 3: They would hold the hostages until he was elected.

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Speaker 1: I believe the osages were released on the day of

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his inauguration, which was very smart I think by the

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Iranians to do.

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Speaker 3: The other thing is, you know'd even.

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Speaker 2: Mention all of that about how he opposed the Shaw

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and all that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I mean he handled that situation really poorly. Yeah,

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he was a bad president. I'm not saying I'm just

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saying I don't, you know, I don't think he was

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a worst president.

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Speaker 3: Than Joe Biden, for instance.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he's one of the worst presidents,

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but he was not a good president for sure.

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Speaker 2: I want to say one good thing about him as

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a post president. After the two thousand election, which was

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another election that Democrats refused to accept the legitimacy up,

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so we've got nineteen eighty As you just mentioned, a

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lot of people I used to claim that it didn't

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happen in nineteen eighty eight, that they didn't accept the

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legitimate but a bunch of Bush operatives said in fact,

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they were causing problems even there. But two thousand was

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prior to twenty sixteen, was the worst example of them

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refusing to accept the legitimacy of an election. But because

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of how close that election was and how it all

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came down to Florida and how ballots were being handled,

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there was a commission put together where Jimmy Carter and

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James Baker analyzed am I getting the date right? Was

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it two thousand? After two thousand? I think so? They

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an analysis of election systems and it's actually not the

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worst report ever. And one of the things that they

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point out is that the easiest way to commit election

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fraud is through mail out ballots, mail in ballots, and

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that's obviously true just by definition they're unsupervised and so

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many opportunities for manipulation. And he was honest about that, and.

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Speaker 3: It's nice.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, he accepted the election of Hugoshavez

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as legitimate, but not the election of Donald Trump, not

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the election of George Bush, not the election of He

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actually was out there with many other Democrats, as you

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mentioned in Oh No, you said eighty eight, but two

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thousand and four, same deal. Carter would not He said

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that Trump was not a legitimate president, but Hugo Shaves was,

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but Hamas was, but you know, all these other elections,

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So he was that's a bad guy, right, I mean,

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that's clearly a partisan position he's taking.

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Speaker 2: For the last four years, the media and other Democrats

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and people who weaponize the Department of Justice have all

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said that it is a jailable offense to say that

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an election is not legitimate. And Jimmy Carter said that

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twenty sixteen was a stolen election, stolen by Donald Trump

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colluding with Russia. So I guess he escaped the clutches

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of the Biden do oj for that one.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to quickly mention was that

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Jimmy Carter is not alone in this kind of revisionist

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history where we lift up mediocre leftists and villainize or

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you know, undermine good presidents like Ronald Reagan, I think

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was a great president in many ways, not just policy wise.

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It's not just about policy. Jimmy Carter had the Malay's speech.

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He made America feel bad about itself. Ronald Meagan made

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America feel better about itself. And the same thing with

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Donald Trump. Frankly, you know, he I think makes people

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feel more patriotic, and he is an unabashed patriot. He

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would never give a Malay's speech. Ronald Reagan would never

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give a Malay's speech. So, but it's not just him.

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I always talk about my one of my favorite presidents,

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Wren Harding, who was later maligned by leftists as a

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bad president when he was one of our greatest presidents.

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Calvin Coolidge, you know, we celebrate until recently because he

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was a big racist. Wilson, you know, was up there

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like tenth best president on these historian lists, and you

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know JFK's up there, and I you know JFK didn't

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really do much. He doesn't deserve to be a top

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ten president in my view.

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Speaker 2: I don't think JFK was a top ten, but I

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do think he was pretty good and also even well

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that's a that's a totally different conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't think he was a bad president.

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I just don't think he was a great present. But

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my point is that these left wing presidents are always

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lifted up because they're activist presidents, because they do things

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that left wingers like. Where a president who was modest

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and functioned within the constitution, like Warren Hardy, I guess

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is is was starting with the FDR era. Who an

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FDR is Essentially he was a closest we've ever come

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to a fascist in this country. And yet he is

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always like, you know, number one or two or not

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number one, but number two after Washington, you know, on

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these lists, when he did a lot of harm to

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this country.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, so it's not anything.

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Speaker 1: New that we're going to make a doubt, you know,

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make a democrat into a hero, even though he was

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a bad president and a terrible post you know, had

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a terrible post presidency, so I just want to mention

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that as well.

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Speaker 2: So David, now that we're in the new year, oh,

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I actually want to say, there is something that I

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was not anticipating about the year twenty twenty five, which is,

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I feel like I'm living in the future. Twenty twenty

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five just sounds materially different than other years, Like I feel, oh,

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we're advanced, this is twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Nate Bargatsi has a new special and he talks about

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how he's from the you know, he's from the nineteen hundreds,

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and now it's just sounds so long ago. You know,

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it's like when he was a kid. Someone's staying there

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from the eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 2: You know. My mom, My mom always talks about reading

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nineteen eighty four when she was in high school, like

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in nineteen sixty four and thinking, oh wow, what a future.

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Nineteen eighty four like so far in the future. I

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can almost not imagine it. And now she's like, and

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now that's like forty years past. Twenty twenty four turned

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out to be a rather momentous year. I'm just wondering

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if you had any favorite stories from the year now

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that where you can look back on it as a

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whole package.

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Speaker 1: I haven't done any research, so there are probably some

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stories I'm missing or better stories, but I have to

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think just off the cuff. My favorite story was the

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Pager assassination, because it's.

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Speaker 2: Like when you're talking about when Israel blew the Wieners

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off of all the as well.

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Speaker 3: As quite literally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, since then sixty Minutes actually had

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a pretty good segment on it, and just the it

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reminds me of the seventies. The very idea that they

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knew that pages were being bought from Taiwan, and they

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started a company and they sold it to them and

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then waited and waited and blew them up at the

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same time. It takes a lot of ingenuity and you know,

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planning for something like that, and you know, I just

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thought it was a cool you know, it helped save

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the lives of many civilians. It helped, you know, in

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so many ways, and it was just a great fun

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story that you would maybe beat in like a novel,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: So it was targeted at the bad guys. It is

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very hard when people are so inside of a civilian

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population to get the bad guys and not the not

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bad guys, but that was a really well targeted operation. Well,

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I just want to say one more thing about it.

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I feel like when I was younger, you'd hear all

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these great stories about Masade, like going deep into enemy

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territory and doing these just crazy operations. But then it

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kind of felt like that wasn't happening so much. It

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was true you were targets or whatever. This was definitely

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a return to those It reminds me of one of

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my favorite tweets the day that it happened, which was

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something like, can you say, wow, those Jews are really

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wily and crafty but mean it in a completely positive way?

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Speaker 3: Yeah you can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did all that stuff, and then you know,

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a lot of it was really incredible. The anteby rescue.

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I don't if people know that, so you could look

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them up. There's a great book called Rise and Kill First,

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which is all about these things. But they were sometimes

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the Israelis like to sort of push their legend and

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mythology as well on this to scare, you know, their enemies.

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But yeah, then in the eighties there were so many nineties,

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there were so many botched operations, and Mosad was definitely

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not what it was, but this or whoever, I'm not

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sure which agency did this, but I think that because

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their enemies are on the attack again, they've come up

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with more interesting ways to get at them.

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and how it affects your While thirty four percent of

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00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,559
people have cut back or skip spending on necessary expenses

478
00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:57,920
to pay their electric bill, this government involvement and increased

479
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,680
regulation continues to drive their p even higher. Whether it's

480
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,920
happening in DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting

481
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you financially.

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Speaker 3: Be informed.

483
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Speaker 4: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with christ

484
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,880
Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

485
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Speaker 3: Anyway, So how about you.

486
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Speaker 2: I thought twenty twenty four was interesting and again to

487
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,599
just take it back, something weird happened in twenty twenty

488
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,359
where it just everything felt weird for a very long

489
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,839
period of time, like time and space we're moving in

490
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,440
weird ways. For me, my memory is off on like

491
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if something happened in the year twenty twenty twenty twenty one,

492
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twenty twenty two. I don't remember which year it is.

493
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,680
It's just been kind of a weird, foggy period of

494
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time for me. Twenty twenty four, I realized after Donald

495
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,920
Trump was announced the winner of that election. Sean Davis

496
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,960
was reminding me about this, actually because we were on

497
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,519
the phone together when it was announced, and I started crying.

498
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:59,279
I'm not a huge crier for things like that, but

499
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,759
I realized that there'd been a lot of there was

500
00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,039
a lot writing on that election. And I don't even

501
00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:07,839
mean like, to me, it's bigger than Donald Trump, but

502
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,759
it seemed like a directional change election. And when you

503
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:16,599
look back on the campaign, it's just amazing that this happened. Again.

504
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,920
If I can go back to twenty sixteen, I remember

505
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,839
when Donald Trump won. I would be in the makeup

506
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,839
chair at Fox and they show the What's on Fox

507
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,200
and Fox Business like while you're there, and it would

508
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:31,400
say President elect Donald Trump, and it just felt like

509
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,119
you were living in a movie, a movie that had

510
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,640
cast Donald Trump as the you know, we'd go, oh,

511
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,119
that would never happen, that's so crazy. Twenty twenty four

512
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,599
was insane. You're coming out of these years of lawfair,

513
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:53,079
where every powerful legal entity in the country decided to

514
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,279
use lawfair to try to eliminate the Republican Party, you know,

515
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,079
going after everyone from Donald trum Trump all the way

516
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,319
down to the stupidest protesters. You know, just decided to

517
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,039
destroy their lives, bankrupt them, imprison them, remove them from

518
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:12,640
the ballot, make them have to spend all their money

519
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,599
defending themselves. You're the raid at mar A Lago. You

520
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,880
had the mug shots had it was. It was dystopic

521
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,880
what was going on. By the way, I just want

522
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,200
to point out, on the right, you had basically no

523
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:28,440
response to it. You had no counter action, no legal

524
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,640
like entity being set up to say, Okay, we're gonna

525
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,640
We're gonna defend the rights of these people. You might

526
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,079
remember when when we put all the people in Gitmo,

527
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,119
every big law firm in the country came together to

528
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,079
defend the rights of the people who were in Gimo.

529
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:50,359
And here on the right, you couldn't even get people

530
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:56,200
to defend like top constitutional lawyers or top political operatives

531
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,119
like it was such a one sided destruction of the country.

532
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:02,960
It was. It was horrific to go through. So somehow

533
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:07,240
Trump comes out of that decisively winning the Republican nomination.

534
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,839
Everybody's saying like, oh, this is such a shame because

535
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,519
any other Republican would win and not Donald Trump. And

536
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:19,200
then he takes out the first Democrat opponent by June,

537
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,559
which is insane. That never happens with the debate performance,

538
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,279
or maybe it's better to say Joe Biden took himself

539
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:30,279
out of contention, but you know that happens. And then

540
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:36,559
you have the insane assassination attempt where you know, you

541
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,599
just still have it like replayed in your mind. The

542
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:43,119
way that Donald Trump oddly moved his head forward right

543
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,400
as the bullet.

544
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:48,799
Speaker 1: Was That's probably the story of the year, right that

545
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,160
assassination tip and his reaction to it. It is a

546
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,400
unique American moment. We've never seen anything like that.

547
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: And that it was televised. Oh I do remember I

548
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:03,839
was on some panel show like a month later or

549
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,240
two months later, six weeks later, and I said something

550
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,160
about how I still woke up angry about that, you know,

551
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,000
that was very upset about it, and the other panelists

552
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:15,200
were all like, what they didn't even understand it, you know,

553
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,559
like people in the media are so left wing. They

554
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:20,559
don't even understand what you're talking about. If you say

555
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,160
I'm upset that they tried to kill Donald Trump, what

556
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,079
that doesn't even make sense? And then the other assassination

557
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,039
attempt and all of the media boot licking and like

558
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:36,680
saying that Kamala Harris was the most popular person who

559
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:41,000
ever existed, and how she had every single celebrity behind her,

560
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:43,960
and how the vibe shift was such that she was

561
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,799
going to win decisively, the polls being the one thing

562
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:52,200
that kept everybody in check. And then having Donald Trump win,

563
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,880
and you think about where he came from, you know,

564
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,119
being elected sort of sort of crazily in twenty sixteen,

565
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,039
then having the entire administrative state go to war against him,

566
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:07,400
including by saying he was a Russian spy, and just

567
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,559
to keep surviving. It's just it's crazy to live through this.

568
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thought of something because of what you said.

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Speaker 1: Now, obviously, moving forward in twenty twenty five, there's going

570
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to be you have to govern, There's going to be

571
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:25,599
intra party fights among conservatives over issues and stuff like that. That's

572
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:30,000
going to happen. But you're right about this, like last

573
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:32,200
few years and not. Sometimes I can't put a date

574
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,640
on things either like the time as a flat circle

575
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,440
and all that. But part of it is that this

576
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:39,799
is the eraror where we lost trust in our institutions

577
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:44,119
for good reasons. There we realize they're corrupt, they're unserious,

578
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,799
a lot of our politicians are unserious, and that led

579
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:50,680
to what happened recently and now because of Donald Trump.

580
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,839
And again, you know, you don't have to like everything

581
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:55,599
he says, but there's this kind of renewed spine.

582
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,519
Speaker 3: I feel like.

583
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: That people are far more capable and interested in defending

584
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,720
sort of Western values.

585
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:03,759
Speaker 3: Is that weird?

586
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: Like I just I feel like there's they're not nervous

587
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,759
anymore that they're going to be branded this a racist

588
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:12,759
of phobic or you know, that they're fighting against, for instance,

589
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,160
the mutilation of children, or like people aren't scared anymore,

590
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,480
you know, or a lot of people aren't. We're still

591
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,799
a very I mean, we're still a divided country. We

592
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,000
have to be honest with ourselves. Kamala Harris was just

593
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,559
a terrible candidate in many ways and stuff like that.

594
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,599
But I just feel like there's a renewed sense of

595
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,960
West of pride in the country of you know, of

596
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,720
all that, I don't deny any of that. And it's

597
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,400
just weird to me that the catalyst for this crazy

598
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,960
both sides of that, has been Donald Trump. Right without

599
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,319
his election, we probably would never have known the depths

600
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:45,400
of the corruption of the people not only who were

601
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,799
against him, but who have been against us for a

602
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:50,720
long time. A justice department that throws you know, pro

603
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,680
lifers in jail and all of that and lies to us.

604
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,039
Speaker 3: The fauci, the COVID stuff, it's been.

605
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: I think it's a really history I don't I usually

606
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,799
I usually feel like people estimate the historic quality or

607
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:03,920
the importance of where they are, But I actually think

608
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,359
this era has been incredibly important and probably we'll see

609
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,440
how it goes, but you know, we'll change the course

610
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,000
of the country in many ways, or maybe not change it.

611
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,519
But this was a crossroads and we decided that maybe

612
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,359
we shouldn't go off and be Europe, you know, I

613
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:18,839
wrote a book about this a few years or that

614
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,440
we should be America. I hope that's the case. We'll

615
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,680
see how it turns out, but anyway, so yeah, I

616
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,920
think it's a real historic year.

617
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: I just feel debate on everything is getting more interesting.

618
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,039
You even saw recently there was a lot of social

619
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:37,279
media discussion about H one visas. The depth of discussion

620
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,359
we're having about immigration down to the how we run

621
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,799
visa programs level is so much better right now that

622
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,319
it has ever been in normal media normals.

623
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: So can I say it's so weird.

624
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: Though these debates are on the right, they're non debates

625
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:52,920
left right.

626
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,599
Speaker 3: There are debates within the right about the future. The

627
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:56,839
left doesn't debate it us.

628
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,799
Speaker 2: By that at all, I mean, I think the left

629
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:01,920
is still totally hold in too this oppressive fog of

630
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,279
you're not allowed to have your own thinking, and if

631
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:06,559
you say anything then slightly the wrong way, we will

632
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,319
destroy you. And so that's not conducive to debate, whereas

633
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,920
on the right. I have been actually feeling this on

634
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,960
the right for quite some time. And it's a weird

635
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,759
thing because partly what happens in these debates is that

636
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,799
people say things that I hate and I totally disagree with.

637
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,480
But I'm also excited that the debates are happening, you know,

638
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,440
whether it's about economic policy or foreign policy or whatever.

639
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,680
But yeah, it was a high stakes thing because of

640
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:34,920
some of these issues that are less about politics or

641
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:38,400
it's about how politics had become part of every single

642
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,039
aspect of our lives, and I do feel with this

643
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:44,720
election that you are pushing back against part of that

644
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,440
in a helpful way, I hope.

645
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:49,279
Speaker 1: So a person who just says, yeah, America is actually

646
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:51,480
pretty good is the person you have to side with

647
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:53,279
if you're you know. And this is why I keep

648
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:55,160
calling it the normy election. I just think a lot

649
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,960
of people who aren't very political decided that we can't

650
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,240
go down this road anymore.

651
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,599
Speaker 2: Remember early on in the first Trump presidency, there was

652
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,519
I think it was Colin Kaepernick someone like that, had

653
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:13,079
been protesting the America from his perch in the NFL,

654
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,039
and Donald Trump said something probably over the top in

655
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:19,599
response to it. And I remember being on a panel

656
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,920
on Special Report or something like that where everyone was

657
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:26,880
lamenting how awful Donald Trump was to in any way

658
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,679
suggest as an American president to speak against any American

659
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,039
using his free speech rights is just the worst thing

660
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:38,239
in the world. And it was like, is it or

661
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:41,679
you know, like or is this embrace of hatred of

662
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:46,320
one's own country a very dangerous thing that everyone in

663
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,440
the media is supporting, and that everyone in the media

664
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:51,639
is enabling, and that all the people on the left

665
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,960
are enable it, Like, isn't that sort of worse than

666
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,320
maybe saying something over the top that you shouldn't do this.

667
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:01,199
Speaker 1: I don't know that core lie lie that this country

668
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,920
is not just you know, that it was founded to

669
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,280
keep slavery going. That people that there's systemic racism right

670
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,239
now when everyone goes out of their way or most

671
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,320
people do to try to include everyone in their companies

672
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,159
and their you know, in their lives, is one of

673
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:22,960
the worst paranoias going in this country anyway, think about

674
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,880
a BLM COVID. These last few years have been just insane.

675
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:29,599
So many huge events have happened. So I hope, again

676
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,000
mentioning Warren Harding from before, I hope we have a return.

677
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:34,360
I hope Trump is going to be a return to normalcy.

678
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,320
It's weird to even say that Trump would represent a

679
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,840
return to normalcy, but who knows it might be let's see.

680
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's move on to culture. Have you been

681
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,360
watching anything over this break that you would like to

682
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,000
share with us?

683
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm looking for my list. Oh, here it is.

684
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: So we had so many emails and so many people,

685
00:35:55,119 --> 00:36:00,840
you know, giving us Christmas movie. I'm going to save it,

686
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,480
and we'll do it next year. I'll give us something

687
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,119
I'm talking about. But there have been just great, you know,

688
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:06,239
all these old timey movies.

689
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Speaker 3: And then it hit me.

690
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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, people over my house during Christmas,

691
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:12,159
and it hit me that I haven't seen most of

692
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:17,800
these movies, like the famous ones. So, for instance, It's

693
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,840
a Wonderful Life. I'd never watched it, and I decided

694
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,880
to watch it. Can I tell you a little interesting

695
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,119
tidbit about that movie? I see your confused face. That

696
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,079
movie was a failure when it came out. This is

697
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:32,480
just maybe everyone knows this. I don't know, but it

698
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,360
was a failure. It was so lowly regarded that they

699
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,760
did not like renew whatever the copyright on it in

700
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,679
nineteen seventy four, and because they hadn't done that, all

701
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,760
the TV stations could take it for free and put

702
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,760
it on. So that's when they started putting it on,

703
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,719
and that's when it became a classic and people started

704
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,159
watching it. So I thought that was interesting. It's a

705
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:52,800
lovely movie. I'd never watched it, and you know, it's

706
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,639
a lovely movie.

707
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,639
Speaker 2: I actually had not watched it until last year myself.

708
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:58,880
It's one of those movies that you feel like you

709
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,320
know because you've seen parts of it, of it all

710
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,559
the time. But I liked it a lot better than

711
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:06,480
I thought I would.

712
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, same here, same here. Though it did make me, uh,

713
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,639
it was more. There were things in it that were

714
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,199
more risque than I would have imagined. An old timey moode.

715
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:18,599
He would have like one of the characters, how she dresses,

716
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,159
and how the guys are constantly just staring at her

717
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:23,440
as she walks by, and stuff like that, and then

718
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:26,119
how when he goes to the alternative reality, how many

719
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:27,239
like strip joints.

720
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 3: There and sound and stuff. It was weird.

721
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: I watched that. I watched Singing in the Rain. I

722
00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:35,719
know that's not a Christmas movie, but i'd never seen it.

723
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:37,960
Did you ever see Singing in the Rain?

724
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: I love it, you know.

725
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: Overall, I liked it White Christmas, Yes.

726
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: A vehicle Like if you understand that we're not looking

727
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,320
for plots, we're just looking for properties to dance, it

728
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:49,679
makes a.

729
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,679
Speaker 1: Lot of my gosh, what's the guy's name is a

730
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,559
Danny O'Connor, who's in that with him? With Geene Kelly,

731
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:58,239
these guys. That guy was an amazing dancer and what

732
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,559
I loved about it as Molly. As you know, I'm

733
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,559
not really a guy for dancing and singing movies and musicals,

734
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:08,199
but his aggressiveness and that like the way he tapped

735
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,840
danced and stuff. I was really impressed a dance. Donald O'Connor, sorry,

736
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,280
and Gene Kelly. You know what never changes though in

737
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,000
movies is that Debbie Reynolds is twenty two in that

738
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,079
movie and Gene Kelly is forty two in that movie.

739
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:28,599
So there's a twenty year difference. Enjoyed it? I saw

740
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:33,119
so those were oh yeah, white Christmas. Now, I tell

741
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:35,599
you something. I am a big fan of Danny K.

742
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,360
Like I now want to watch all Danny k movies.

743
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,840
Like I think he's really funny.

744
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,079
Speaker 2: When you said Danny O'Connor, in my mind, I pictured

745
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:46,239
Danny Kay.

746
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:51,199
Speaker 1: Okay, I have to tell everyone I thought that Danny

747
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,360
Kay was singing in the ring when I went.

748
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 3: To the sea.

749
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: It's okay, the one who like French people loved or

750
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,199
is that someone else.

751
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: Jerry Lewis.

752
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: I think French people, but I'm not sure they might

753
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,119
have loved Danny K. They should love Danny Kay. He

754
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:09,880
was great white Christmas. Okay, so that I liked as well,

755
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,360
and that was basically it. And then I watched a

756
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:14,840
cartoon called Clause. Have you ever watched it?

757
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: No, but I think that was one of the recommendations

758
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,559
from one of our many emailers.

759
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,519
Speaker 1: It's excellent, like the style of animation, the whole movie.

760
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:25,360
It was really I didn't expect it to be good,

761
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,079
and it was good.

762
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: I don't really have anything other than I watched Juror

763
00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:34,159
number two.

764
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,039
Speaker 3: Actually, oh yeah.

765
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: I first off say that my water rower, which I

766
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:43,079
love and I got so long ago when I tore

767
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:46,519
up my ankle, it made it very difficult to do

768
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:49,280
what I like to do normally, which would be like

769
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:55,239
running or other things that required me to have a

770
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,719
lot of weight on my foot. And we got the

771
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,679
water rower. I mean it's like twelve years ago and

772
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,840
I just love it. Do you ever use a rower?

773
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:04,199
Speaker 1: I have not.

774
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: I have not shout out to the person who, by

775
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,440
the way, was like, you should enter rowing competitions. I'm

776
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,480
not that kind of rower. I just like to row

777
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,400
at home because it's a very convenient way to get

778
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,360
my heart rate up. You know.

779
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard it's like the best exercise for you.

780
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: I love my rowing machine. They did tell us when

781
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,119
we bought it that probably after ten years or so,

782
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:31,079
we'd have to reseal the tank. And true to their word,

783
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,280
that water rower has not needed an ounce of anything.

784
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,239
But last week while I was rowing, the water started

785
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,639
coming out. And it's going to take a while. Like

786
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:43,800
I'll probably have to order a new part. Our first

787
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,320
fix didn't work. Nobody cares about this. Sorry for this

788
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,119
boring story. I just I do want to say if

789
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:52,679
you're thinking about getting a water rower, it needed nothing

790
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,920
for ten years and twelve years actually, and now I

791
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,559
have to repair it. So I'm now using my husband's

792
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,000
like I don't even know what you call it, like

793
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,280
a wind sprint bike, you know, it's like, I don't

794
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,079
know what it's called, but it's a bike.

795
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 3: It's a stationary bike.

796
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you it's like, you know, there's nothing to

797
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,519
plug in or anything like that. It's just like and

798
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:17,559
you sort of move your arms back and forth and

799
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:19,639
you do it, you do sprints on it. I like

800
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:21,280
it a lot. I'm now going to make sure this

801
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,519
is part of my tour in the future. This this

802
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,360
is how I watched things. So I started watching Juror

803
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:33,679
number two. I saw it, and I watched it like

804
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,960
over the course of three days, and I liked it

805
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,079
a lot. What did you think?

806
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: I loved it. I loved it.

807
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,119
Speaker 1: It has this basically this moral quandary, right sort of,

808
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,960
and I don't want to give it away, And so

809
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:51,400
the whole time, at least I was, and I imagine

810
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,119
others who watch it are thinking what would I do?

811
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: Right?

812
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, which makes it a really interesting watch. But

813
00:41:57,519 --> 00:41:59,800
the actors were great in it, you know.

814
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I like that What would you do wasn't

815
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,320
just about the main dilemma, but really about every single

816
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,239
person in there. What would you do if you're this person?

817
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,519
What would you do if you're that person?

818
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: Right?

819
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:16,159
Speaker 1: It Also, having been on a jury for it was

820
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,239
like a long case, and I was a foreman of

821
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:19,840
that jury.

822
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:23,639
Speaker 2: I remember because you were glasses.

823
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,119
Speaker 3: Yes I'm not joking.

824
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,599
Speaker 1: Doris thought that I looked smart, Thank you, Doris.

825
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,559
Speaker 3: And so.

826
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: But I thought the jury was very a very realistic

827
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,400
look at a jury where people are like, I just

828
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,719
got to get out of here. Let's say he's guilty,

829
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,559
or you know, all kinds of folks. So I thought

830
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,039
that was interesting as well.

831
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,159
Speaker 3: I just I don't know.

832
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: I think Clint Eastwood is that it's weird to say this,

833
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:51,880
but just an underrated director. I think his movies are

834
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,639
always very well done, and I don't know why. I

835
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,360
read somewhere that they didn't really release this in the theaters.

836
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:01,559
Speaker 3: I don't why. It's an excellent movie.

837
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,519
Speaker 2: So I have mixed feelings about Clint Eastwood. I hated

838
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,239
Million Dollar Baby, but mostly because of the message that

839
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,400
you should kill people.

840
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: I never even saw that one. I wouldn't I don't

841
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,159
watch movies like that.

842
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:19,079
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert. It's it's a it's a plea to do

843
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:27,800
assisted suicide. Yeah, Unforgiven was good. I love Richard Jewel.

844
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: That was great.

845
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I show that to my students. But I

846
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,679
don't know. I didn't see The Mule. I didn't see

847
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,519
Grand Charino, although I would like to.

848
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was good.

849
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:48,519
Speaker 2: I did like American Sniper. Yeah, Like I feel like

850
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:51,079
there's this theme in some of his movies that that

851
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,239
really is about, like what if we were just to

852
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,039
tell stories about basic American ideas.

853
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: I just want to quickly say his West were great.

854
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,199
Speaker 1: I mean, he did the Outlaw Josie Wales, which is

855
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,320
just this fantastic movie Pale Writer, which was great.

856
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're unforgiven.

857
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:12,559
Speaker 1: I just I don't love all every movie he's made.

858
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:15,159
I just I think they're interesting or you know, and

859
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:18,079
certainly this one I think was one of his better,

860
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,519
better recent movies, at.

861
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:21,679
Speaker 3: Least in the last twenty years. I'd say, I put

862
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:22,320
out on an X.

863
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 2: That everybody should go watch Durn number two immediately, and

864
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,079
a lot of people were responding that they loved it.

865
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:29,920
But then there were a lot of people who responded

866
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,599
that they didn't love it, that they thought it was

867
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:36,159
poorly written and poorly directed and poorly lit and poorly everything.

868
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,519
And I mean I thought it was stunning. I loved it,

869
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:43,920
and I even liked the simple way in which it

870
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,280
was told and the way that people spoke seemed pretty

871
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,320
real to me. Now, there's a ton of stuff there

872
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,000
that's wrong in terms of, you know, like how something

873
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:57,360
would happen in a trial or you know, it's a movie.

874
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,760
But I loved it and I cannot stop thinking about it.

875
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a perfect movie. There were some like

876
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,519
the cop in the you know, I don't want to

877
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:11,559
give away stuff. Whatever they were, there were aspects that

878
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:13,320
could have been fleshed out more. Maybe it should have

879
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,320
been a little bit longer, but you.

880
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: Know, no, I liked it. I loved it.

881
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Compared to most of the movies I see,

882
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:24,000
this is up there. Like if I made a top

883
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:25,960
ten list of movies from last year, this is probably

884
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,519
would be up there. So yeah, I recommend it as well.

885
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:34,559
I thought it was pretty good. Did you watch anything else?

886
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean I did. I feel

887
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,760
like someone who recommended no Good Deed, and I started

888
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,159
watching that, but then I kind of lost interest, which

889
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:47,559
is Phoebe from Friends is in it.

890
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:49,679
Speaker 3: And it's about, oh yeah.

891
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: Well we're trying to sell a house, but there was

892
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,199
a murder in the house kind of thing.

893
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,639
Speaker 1: I have started many shows recently and lost interest and

894
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:01,000
I just can't keep watch, and I do wonder is

895
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:01,320
it me?

896
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 3: I thought?

897
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,639
Speaker 1: Am I losing patience? Do I just want, you know,

898
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:08,119
a payoff? Or are these shows not that great anymore?

899
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,280
Like I'm watching the show Silo on Apple, which is

900
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,000
science started out so strong, I'm just so bored.

901
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could finish it.

902
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: I didn't want to mention one show that is I

903
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:20,880
highly recommend I think I may have just mentioned I

904
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,760
watched the first episode I started watching it. It's called Shrinking.

905
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,960
I think the guy's name is Jason Siegel Harrison Ford,

906
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:28,639
isn't it.

907
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: It's it's a really you know.

908
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: It deals with you know, grief, I would say, but

909
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,639
in a funny way, and I recommend it. I haven't

910
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:39,679
watched all of them. I think I watched four episodes.

911
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:40,320
It's really good.

912
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: Oh, I will say that. Right at the moment that

913
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,599
my water rower broke, I had just started watching Madness,

914
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:52,440
which one of our listeners had suggested that we would like,

915
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,840
and it did seem good. But then I then I

916
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,920
moved on to Jure number two, So I will all right, Madness,

917
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,679
try to get back to Madness. It's about this, like

918
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:07,639
CNN contributor. I mean, I just started it when the

919
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,840
water road broke, so I can't. I can't say, but

920
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:16,079
it looked like something. Maybe I'll save that for a

921
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:16,840
future updates.

922
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 3: It looked like something.

923
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: Maybe I will give it a shot right at my alley.

924
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,639
That's great. Another year in the books, huh, there's a

925
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:31,599
crazy year. I'm not the type, but I just want

926
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:33,639
to say I love all that. You know that we

927
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:37,000
get so many emails from these people that sometimes when

928
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,440
we're talking, I forget that we're, you know, recording this

929
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:45,280
year the public, and they remind me. But they're so

930
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,000
kind and they are and they really helped me think

931
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,400
better sometimes I don't know, you know what I mean.

932
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,000
Even their criticisms sharpened the way I think about things,

933
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:56,360
So I don't know. I think I appreciate it. I

934
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,159
know you do as well.

935
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: Love that you are full of love on this and

936
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,719
I feel this way. Come. I love the feedback, I

937
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,119
love the ideas, I love the jokes, I love the

938
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:07,800
insults even it's just great.

939
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: I think the hangover is why I'm being nice. Don't

940
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,880
expect us every week, Ulco, but anyway, we'll be back

941
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,760
next week. Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious

942
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:28,440
for the fray