Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five fifty eight of five and five.
Speaker 1: It is Monday, June twenty ninth. I am your host
Speaker 1: once again, Grett Goldstein, joined as usual by Patrick Dubuke
Speaker 1: and Jeffrey pattern Nostro. I'd like to thank you both
Speaker 1: for your hosting duties while I was out of town.
Speaker 1: I have informed you now where I was. It was not,
Speaker 1: it was not I don't blame Zach. I like to
Speaker 1: thank Zach and Colin very very much for filling in,
Speaker 1: especially Colin on just bombing the game. That was a
Speaker 1: beautiful I want to be clear. I think Colin did
Speaker 1: that as a tribute to me. I I'm not judging
Speaker 1: his skills. I liked it.
Speaker 2: I like how losing to me for too is bombing
Speaker 2: the game? Well, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a movie. It was like, this is something
Speaker 1: you should know. It was also, as you noted at
Speaker 1: the top of the episode, or he noted at the
Speaker 1: top of the episode, he was like, oh, you've asked
Speaker 1: me a question. My mind has gone completely blank. I
Speaker 1: have nothing for you. Anyway. UH. I was in in Willa,
Speaker 1: which is a place. It is in the UH. I
Speaker 1: don't know if people know about this. I did not
Speaker 1: know about this until my wife found it. It is
Speaker 1: in the Lesser Antilles in the West Indies. That's all
Speaker 1: I got for you. You can start googling. You can
Speaker 1: start googling from the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my geography is terrible, but I only remember out
Speaker 2: there Puerto Rico, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always hear about the Lesser Antillies, like during
Speaker 3: hurricane seats on something that's forming out by the Lesser Antilles.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yes, that's to blame for everything. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I'd like to thank you all and and both of
Speaker 1: them for for keeping things going while I was out.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what the hell happened last week,
Speaker 1: so this will be a fun episode. I will say.
Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say on the basis of my
Speaker 1: vacation is uh. People have asked me how it was.
Speaker 1: You know, there are two kids there, so it's it's
Speaker 1: not restorative. This is what I would say.
Speaker 3: It was nice And for those kind of.
Speaker 1: I have a full as you guys know, I have
Speaker 1: a full album of my three year olds splayed fully
Speaker 1: out on the floor in public places.
Speaker 2: Yes, so it's a it's it's a good it's a
Speaker 2: good bit good.
Speaker 1: I was really mad and that around like the fifth picture,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is actually pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Like my German Phoe wife was horrified.
Speaker 1: Oh, in the airport is a good place for that.
Speaker 1: My my wife was who he's extremely attached to at
Speaker 1: the moment. It was extremely annoyed every time, and I
Speaker 1: understand why she is more patience than I do. I
Speaker 1: was also annoyed, but every time I went to take
Speaker 1: a picture, she would laugh, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so it is a it is a good bit, Like
Speaker 1: it is extremely annoying, but also it's pretty fun.
Speaker 3: And they also seems like he's more attached to the floor.
Speaker 1: When he's not attached to his mother. Yeah, any banter
Speaker 1: on your ends.
Speaker 3: So, in the words of Craig, I had a family
Speaker 3: member's birthday over the weekend birthday party. So while I
Speaker 3: was coming back with so much leftover capristan and fruit
Speaker 3: snacks and unloading the car and trying to figure out
Speaker 3: where I'm going to put all all the stuff that
Speaker 3: said family member got for their birthday, our neighbor across
Speaker 3: the street who I've talked seems nice. I've talked to
Speaker 3: I think once since we've lived here, like on Halloween
Speaker 3: when we were trick or treating comes over and I'm
Speaker 3: like not, I just go in. I'm carrying huge boxes
Speaker 3: of fruit snacks and caprisa and the cooler and whatever.
Speaker 3: When I come back out and my wife is gone,
Speaker 3: and I see that she's across the street with the
Speaker 3: neighbor and then starts coming back with just stuff. So
Speaker 3: the neighbor, I remember the neighborhood had a yard sale,
Speaker 3: maybe like last weekend or the weekend before, and the
Speaker 3: stuff they didn't get rid of, like just pulsy wood.
Speaker 3: Your child like this, and it's free stuff, so of
Speaker 3: course my child would. So it comes back with a scooter,
Speaker 3: a bluey place at and a doll and I'm like,
Speaker 3: which is fine, that's very nice of her. I like,
Speaker 3: I don't have places to work the stuff I got.
Speaker 3: I'm already like going through my head, like where am
Speaker 3: I going to put this in her room? There's like
Speaker 3: a giant plastic in among other things.
Speaker 2: Does the even get played with?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's how you saw that came out of
Speaker 3: the oven already. So it was just very much like
Speaker 3: why why are we doing this right now?
Speaker 1: I will tell you I very unsuccessfully tried to implement
Speaker 1: a one in one out policy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, tough cell.
Speaker 1: The grandparents did not take that. I said, I don't care,
Speaker 1: get it, just take something back. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: that stuff. And I said, now you know how I feel.
Speaker 1: I also don't want that stuff. All right. My weekend
Speaker 1: pretty late.
Speaker 2: I I posted about this, but I spent one of
Speaker 2: the days of the weekend I can't remember which, Saturday,
Speaker 2: I think, sitting in a trampoline park reading Clockworcorne.
Speaker 1: And that's that. That summarized my weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not kind of I'm not gonna bore everyone
Speaker 2: with my feelings about clockwork garngs, which are stronger than
Speaker 2: I expected them to be.
Speaker 1: Did not enjoy it?
Speaker 3: Have you not read clockhord Goarrange the book before?
Speaker 2: No, I've never I've never heard. I watched the movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure, it's like that's the book you kind of
Speaker 3: have to read when you're seventeen years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I do. On a movie note, I do
Speaker 1: want to. I think this will annoy I don't know,
Speaker 1: this will probably annoy somebody. But I again, traveling with
Speaker 1: the children, you get interrupted a lot. But there was
Speaker 1: the hill Mary project on the plane new release, and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, I'm I never get to a movie
Speaker 1: theater so like, and people say, this is good. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna try it. I got I got to
Speaker 1: about ten minutes left in the movie and we start landing.
Speaker 1: They're talking NonStop, so it interrupts the movie. I just
Speaker 1: haven't seen the last ten minutes of what was a
Speaker 1: very very good movie for me anyway. But I don't
Speaker 1: know that I'll ever see it. Yeah, I might just never.
Speaker 1: I don't will because like it was streaming eventually, like
Speaker 1: short fine for free. But like I think, Patrick, I
Speaker 1: talked to you about you can get it for six bucks,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not spending six bucks on the
Speaker 1: pretend the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's thirty six dollars per hour. That's I'm not
Speaker 2: doing that. I it was, I had a great time.
Speaker 2: I would love to know what happened.
Speaker 1: I might just not.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't think of you can't know what happened. Fair.
Speaker 1: I do think I might just make a habit of again.
Speaker 1: I watched Dune on on my phone on a plane
Speaker 1: as again as as any intended. I might just start
Speaker 1: doing this and just doing feature you know, big big
Speaker 1: feature films on.
Speaker 2: Planes and I certainly reached an age where I just
Speaker 2: don't watch movies in movie order, and you know, in
Speaker 2: a sense of time, right right, I'm a half hour
Speaker 2: to come and see Still it's been two weeks.
Speaker 3: Well we saw we saw five for the birthday, for
Speaker 3: part of the birthday. It's like it's more than a
Speaker 3: one day celebration.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, yeah, but when.
Speaker 3: Its not Toy Serve. I did not have like particularly
Speaker 3: high the first thing I did, we were going to
Speaker 3: see Toy Surf, Like, okay, how I look up how
Speaker 3: long is this? And it's one hundred and two minutes.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I fine, it's not that bad. I was
Speaker 3: worried to me like two hours and ten minutes or something, right,
Speaker 3: because the longer these the more you get deeper. I
Speaker 3: feel like, get into sequels for something. Just keep making
Speaker 3: the movies longer. But it was, it was there were
Speaker 3: a lot of balls in the air plot wise, more
Speaker 3: than I expected. But that that was a really good movie.
Speaker 3: Like it was actually legitimately a very good movie. But
Speaker 3: like I was trying to think, like have I seen
Speaker 3: like I know, I've seen one and two in their entirety?
Speaker 3: Have I seen three and four and I'm like, yes,
Speaker 3: I have, just not in order or at the same time,
Speaker 3: like I've walked into the room and the kids in
Speaker 3: like twenty I see like the middle thirty minutes of
Speaker 3: Toy Story three or something, right, and then like remember
Speaker 3: a week later because she watches them over and over again,
Speaker 3: I think I've seen three, Like I'm it's entirety, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't if you.
Speaker 2: If you saw four, you could easily have forgotten.
Speaker 1: Speaking of movies where there's so many and just watched it.
Speaker 1: There was a twelve minute presented by Minions something on
Speaker 1: one of the screens, and you just watch that like
Speaker 1: four sometimes, yeah, like in a row, just for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the mind reels. All right, let's get into the show.
Speaker 1: We'll get into our first segment. Because we are a
Speaker 1: Mets podcast. It's nice to be welcome back with the
Speaker 1: warm hug. Yeah, no, Jeff, we're looking at the Mets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to.
Speaker 1: We have to have no choice. They're drawing attention to themselves.
Speaker 1: They have fired Carlos Mendoza. Yes, Andy Green is the
Speaker 1: interim manager. I just my my question on this is
Speaker 1: really and I know I know the answer in a way,
Speaker 1: but I still think like, why didn't this happen when
Speaker 1: Rob Thompson.
Speaker 3: And Alex score fire.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like that was the time.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seems like stubbornness. It seemed like not willing.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if it's so
Speaker 3: this I think, God, I've talked about this for months
Speaker 3: on for all your kids. I just did it again
Speaker 3: twice since it's happened. I think the funny to say
Speaker 3: the Red Sox can do this. The Red Sox have
Speaker 3: had similar tumultuous tumult in their organization.
Speaker 1: Or the last Red Sox. No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like Dave Dombrowski can do this in part
Speaker 3: because he's done it before and it worked, and also
Speaker 3: in part just because no one's gonna look at the
Speaker 3: Phillies and be like, work there. They can't, like they
Speaker 3: just there's no job security. But you look at the mats, right,
Speaker 3: who have you know? Showalter made it two seasons, Louis
Speaker 3: Rojas made it two seasons, three seasons. The hir for
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, I don't know. The hire of four twenty
Speaker 3: twenty was right after the Astros stuff came out. They've
Speaker 3: had something like five heads of baseball operations in the
Speaker 3: last six years. So at a certain point it becomes
Speaker 3: difficult to hire the next guy if you keep firing
Speaker 3: the previous guy after this is Yeah.
Speaker 1: I read Sheian's newsletter on this. Yeah, and he noted
Speaker 1: the Mets have had four managers in eight and a
Speaker 1: half seasons. Yeah, I mean, and Mendoza's two and a
Speaker 1: half are the longest. Yes.
Speaker 3: And Tim Britton made this point about sort of their
Speaker 3: heads of baseball ops too, and why Sterns might be
Speaker 3: safer than you might think, because again they haven't you know,
Speaker 3: before Sterns, they had Epler for two years, before Eppler,
Speaker 3: they had various and assorted people for various short periods
Speaker 3: of time, with Sandy Alderson always sort of there as well.
Speaker 3: But I mean, this is a bad baseball team playing bad,
Speaker 3: and I don't think Mendoza is I'm merrily responsible for
Speaker 3: them being whatever it is now. I was twelve when
Speaker 3: he was fired. I think twelve games under five hundred.
Speaker 3: But Jared's made this point, what is the affirmative case
Speaker 3: for keeping Carlos Mendoza, Because no one has made it.
Speaker 1: I don't think there is one.
Speaker 3: There isn't one like there's.
Speaker 1: No one embarrassed about a prior decision, right, right, I
Speaker 1: mean that's really to me, that's what it scans.
Speaker 3: As, right, So like there's a whole thing like, well,
Speaker 3: they there's what I'm thinking, like, well, they turned over
Speaker 3: the roster too much, like, well, that's the manager's job
Speaker 3: to deal, like to bring the new roster to get Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. The
Speaker 3: defenses of Mendoza from like Lindor and Soto after the
Speaker 3: after he was fired, we're pretty tapid. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not his fault, we need to play better, like
Speaker 3: basic boiler plate stuff. And they collapsed down the stretch
Speaker 3: with a completely different roster. So this has happened like
Speaker 3: twice now under him. At a certain point, like you're
Speaker 3: basically saying you can never fire a manager or the
Speaker 3: manager's or the or why do you need a manager?
Speaker 3: The manager is not responsible for anything apparently, So yeah,
Speaker 3: and look the Phillies fired their manager in their ten
Speaker 3: games or five hundred, now, right, I think I think
Speaker 3: I don't, but I.
Speaker 1: Think you can say it's not entirely Mendoza's fault with
Speaker 1: all the roster turnover. It is his job. But also
Speaker 1: that is hard, right, that is and I look, I
Speaker 1: say all the time about the front office, like you're
Speaker 1: there to do hard things. You're supposed to be good
Speaker 1: at what you do. That's not an excuse necessarily. But
Speaker 1: I think you can say, look, he's he had a
Speaker 1: lot to deal with and even people better than himself
Speaker 1: might not have made something.
Speaker 3: Of it, right, And there's been a lot of injuries,
Speaker 3: like Soto and Lindora barely played together this year.
Speaker 1: But but but yeah, all that being said, what as
Speaker 1: you said, what is man? What is the affirmative case?
Speaker 3: And the stuff that I have been able to say,
Speaker 3: he is not.
Speaker 1: A good reason even if they're not excuses. We can
Speaker 1: provide reasons right and say like, okay, this is the
Speaker 1: but but it seemed abundantly clear he wasn't the guy, right.
Speaker 1: He wasn't the guy to come out the other side
Speaker 1: and say like and and when this is all it
Speaker 1: all ever, stops being tumultuous, right, say it was worth
Speaker 1: it to hold on to him because he can he
Speaker 1: can really lead us into this next era. That wasn't
Speaker 1: that It seemed abundantly clear that wasn't the.
Speaker 3: Case, right, And that it's very telling that the second game. Look,
Speaker 3: I'm sure more because it's a mats and the Met's
Speaker 3: actually leak a lot less than they used to, especially
Speaker 3: compared to Boston. I think we'll eventually get more, you know,
Speaker 3: behind the scenes stories on this, maybe not in season,
Speaker 3: and that actually happened here. It was very telling to me.
Speaker 3: The second game, Andy Green was in charge, Christian Scott
Speaker 3: faced exactly eighteen batters, got pulled in the middle of
Speaker 3: the inning and they had a lefty ready for Harper
Speaker 3: and like Mendoza just wouldn't do that. He would have
Speaker 3: kept him in for five to give them a chance
Speaker 3: to get the like very basic stuff that I that
Speaker 3: I think probably was even being a communicated him by
Speaker 3: the front office or he was given the information to
Speaker 3: work with this, but he just wasn't following the program.
Speaker 3: And like, look, it's fine to do that if you win, right,
Speaker 3: but once if you're not winning, like they're like, what
Speaker 3: are you? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: Man? There's there's I mean, look, you can lay and
Speaker 1: people have and I have. Dave Roberts went through a
Speaker 1: lot of issues, right, but he was so good on
Speaker 1: the right I don't and was good.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he wasn't good.
Speaker 3: Enough, right, Like, there's not a lot of again you
Speaker 3: don't really see like again, this was a this team
Speaker 3: the end of last year, and certainly a large runk
Speaker 3: of this season has like the Dodgers won, yeah, but
Speaker 3: they've played like they are poorly coached. Base running errors,
Speaker 3: fielding errors like Mark Biento's blowing through stop signs and
Speaker 3: just starting them next day. Like there did not seem
Speaker 3: to be a lot of like Marcus Semien just playing
Speaker 3: every day even though he was dealing with a hip
Speaker 3: flex and he's out for six weeks now, but he
Speaker 3: was like playing with it for a month because he's
Speaker 3: Marcus Semian. And look, I understand they wanted to bring
Speaker 3: in a different Uh, it's like very football coach there,
Speaker 3: and they wanted to bring a different type of manager
Speaker 3: after Showalter, but like it just it wasn't working. Like
Speaker 3: it worked for exactly three months basically, right.
Speaker 1: Well, And I think, look, I get a little I
Speaker 1: recognize I get a little both sides on this because
Speaker 1: I'm now criticizing Mendoza not being fired when Thompson and
Speaker 1: Cora were. But I also at that time I would say, like,
Speaker 1: you're not that far into the season, Like, it's a
Speaker 1: little embarrassing to me that you had to fire them then,
Speaker 1: because really like what happened in the option, but even
Speaker 1: at the time, we were saying, like this is probably
Speaker 1: Mendoza's coming next.
Speaker 3: Wait, well we said this on the pod right after that,
Speaker 3: like this is the one button you can push, right,
Speaker 3: Like you can push this the button you can the
Speaker 3: one button you can push in like mid May, you
Speaker 3: can't trade, you can claim Austin Slater, you can sign
Speaker 3: Chris Paddock, apparently if you need to pitch it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, if you need to put a you know,
Speaker 3: a boot up the ass, so to say, so to speak,
Speaker 3: And like it obviously hasn't happened for Boston, and there's
Speaker 3: other stuff going on behind the scenes with Cora in
Speaker 3: the front office and ownership there for Beers, and it
Speaker 3: has worked for for Philly.
Speaker 1: And we would also note, as we did, like the
Speaker 1: the Phillies did this ahead of a soft spot in
Speaker 1: the sketule.
Speaker 3: And look, they might have still a little bit of
Speaker 3: by in does but they also might have they might
Speaker 3: have done the same thing under Thompson, right, Like I
Speaker 3: don't think they got Wheeler back, and he's looked like
Speaker 3: Wheeler and Harper. He aged forwards. Great, get it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it's the team meeting before that. Yeah
Speaker 1: it is. You might win the game before the team,
Speaker 1: you know, without the team meeting, because your ace is
Speaker 1: going anyway, that's why you do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The difference is that Thompson was a ninety plus win
Speaker 2: manager for three years, yes, and Mendoza was not.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's about all we can tell, right.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, Series I kind of costing a lot off
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 3: World But that does matter, like it matters in the room.
Speaker 3: He won a World Show. I don't know if anyone
Speaker 3: left from that World Series team still in the room,
Speaker 3: but he's.
Speaker 1: A it does matter. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I again,
Speaker 1: I go back to Roberts, who has a lot of
Speaker 1: these same tactical issues. Yeah, and again I read Shean's
Speaker 1: notes on this. I don't think he's the only one
Speaker 1: making this point. But the strategic on field decisions were
Speaker 1: I mean, you were fire yeah, well before this, and
Speaker 1: I think whatever you have to put whatever least she
Speaker 1: got on the clubhouse side of things. But again, maybe
Speaker 1: he's not as good as Roberts and look, I've heard
Speaker 1: about stuff on Roberts's side of that that's maybe he's
Speaker 1: not all that, you know, it's not all he's cracked
Speaker 1: up to be or whatever, but he wins the games,
Speaker 1: right and you there is as much about you're hearing
Speaker 1: stuff this year with a Dulton.
Speaker 3: Rushing apparently yea apparently, But like.
Speaker 1: You don't get all the stuff that's happened in coming
Speaker 1: out of the stuff over the last few years. And
Speaker 1: some of that is because they just win games. They're
Speaker 1: not gonna hear about it. If you win games.
Speaker 3: There's a a soccer analogy here, right, Like it's different
Speaker 3: I think managing Real Madrid versus like Aston Villa, right,
Speaker 3: Like Real Madrid, you're always gonna have the be Like
Speaker 3: Carlo Ancelotti is a classic example of this, Like he's
Speaker 3: not necessarily a great tactical manager, though I think he
Speaker 3: can be a bit underrated at a time because he's
Speaker 3: seen as this like star whisper man manager, Like he
Speaker 3: just gets guys of play and he managed see what's
Speaker 3: happened with Real Madrid since he's since he's left, like it,
Speaker 3: it can be difficult like this, like the Phil Jackson
Speaker 3: Bulls thing, right, like how do you get Rodman and
Speaker 3: Pippin and Jordan to all play together? Right, like there
Speaker 3: is a there is a skilled them. I don't know
Speaker 3: if Roberts has, like I know Don Maddingly probably didn't
Speaker 3: when he was there, right because you heard a lot
Speaker 3: more in the background. But like again, it is winning
Speaker 3: cren created.
Speaker 1: He was supposed to be the same style of manager.
Speaker 3: Winning creates the clubhouse chemistry right like you like you
Speaker 3: know talking about like the Grimace mets O MG stretch
Speaker 3: right right like before that it was you know, Jorgalo
Speaker 3: has thrown his glove into the stands and just like
Speaker 3: in a complete mess for the first six weeks there.
Speaker 3: So you know, at the beginning of last year they
Speaker 3: had the best record at baseball. Sometime around late June
Speaker 3: early July, everything was going great, right they got Clay Holmes,
Speaker 3: he's pitching well. And then when things start going bad,
Speaker 3: like there's nothing to fall back on. And look, the
Speaker 3: manager's job, to an extent, and I get the players
Speaker 3: are involved here is to pull the team out of
Speaker 3: the tailspin right when that happens, because every team's going
Speaker 3: to go through. The Dodgers have done this before two
Speaker 3: under our terrible month under the year they ended up
Speaker 3: tied with the Rockies or whatever they had, like some
Speaker 3: terrible month down a stretch there. Yeah, they went to
Speaker 3: the World Series and they went right, like so and
Speaker 3: again it's not there's no easy solution, but like, I
Speaker 3: don't get the I would like people, specifically in the
Speaker 3: New York Mets speed, tell me when it is okay
Speaker 3: to fire your manager, give me, give me a date
Speaker 3: and time in scenario right, do they literally need to
Speaker 3: be trying to fight the media like Mickey Callaway who
Speaker 3: got fired for other even more just the fiable reasons,
Speaker 3: But like do they like what is the so again,
Speaker 3: this is this, you have extended Carlos mendo Is going
Speaker 3: into an option year after this year? Would you have
Speaker 3: extended Carlos Mendoza because they're gonna say no.
Speaker 1: But then is the saying this was too early.
Speaker 3: Now they're saying it's not his fault and he's escapegoat
Speaker 3: for David Stern's roster. That's what they're saying. Because Carlos
Speaker 3: Mendoza takes them back.
Speaker 1: I have to assume, well, yeah, maybe it's that there's
Speaker 1: a real situation going on. Yeah, sure, well I have
Speaker 1: to also assume like you can always set your sights
Speaker 1: on the bigger fish and you're you're gonna make more
Speaker 1: hay for longer. Sure shitting on sterns at the moment.
Speaker 1: If you're the New York media, then Mendoza is gone.
Speaker 1: He's not.
Speaker 3: That's not red mil like it's already. And the thing is,
Speaker 3: like everybody wrote their columns and did their like front
Speaker 3: facing TikTok videos and then by you know, they're up
Speaker 3: down a road trip to Toronto. It's just the story
Speaker 3: is done. Mendoza, didn't you know Mendoza to his credit,
Speaker 3: I guess it's compared to Alex Cora just did.
Speaker 1: The standard boiler play company smiley face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the thanks for the memories. Basically, I
Speaker 3: want to thank Steve Cohen and David Starts for the opportunity.
Speaker 3: YadA YadA. I didn't work out the way YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 3: So there's no again. Maybe he goes on background at
Speaker 3: some way sources for knowledge of coast. Mendoza's thinking in
Speaker 3: four months, but you know he's looking he's going to
Speaker 3: get a coaching job or a player development job this offseason,
Speaker 3: like he's gonna.
Speaker 1: Be a great higher for the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. Uh so actually color in my eye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, easier to criticize Turns because we can is going
Speaker 2: to be the Rockies manager for Yeah, he's the Braves.
Speaker 1: He already has been the manager.
Speaker 3: Who is the what what's happening with Warren Schaeffer? Warren
Speaker 3: sh sorry thirty five year old Warren? Yes, I only
Speaker 3: know because he was the I mean maybe for like
Speaker 3: three years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Mendoza wasn't the guy in New York. There are no guys.
Speaker 2: If Rob Thompson is not a guy. If Rob Thompson
Speaker 2: can can like win year after year and then have
Speaker 2: forty bad games and be out, then there are no guys.
Speaker 2: And if you are a prospective manager, my suggestion is
Speaker 2: have a thing. Like the last manager to have a
Speaker 2: thing was Joe Madden, and that thing got him like
Speaker 2: ten years worth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you needed there was he had quirky was
Speaker 1: like bringing in penguins and a smoke.
Speaker 2: He had the t building exercises and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: like and legitimately, like you can have whatever feelings you
Speaker 2: want to have about Joe Mannon, but it kept him
Speaker 2: employed and it kept him, like in the public consciousness
Speaker 2: at least people could go, oh, yeah, well he has
Speaker 2: a you know, there is something he does well. So
Speaker 2: no manager is safe unless they can carmonate some sort
Speaker 2: of actual like.
Speaker 3: I do you mean also much like soccer, every manager
Speaker 3: is hired to be fired. Yes, well, I mean that
Speaker 3: was quickly as soccer.
Speaker 1: But I do want to the on field stuff really
Speaker 1: does matter too, write like because you as you said,
Speaker 1: like as we're talking about, winning solves everything, and so
Speaker 1: if you do stuff that negatively impacts your chances of winning,
Speaker 1: like not pulling the starter, yeah, which like he constantly
Speaker 1: gave guys.
Speaker 3: Yes, usually Freddy Perolta, and then he would bring in
Speaker 3: Jascar bras a BoNT who's not a strike out Freddy Peralta.
Speaker 1: But he did it with David Petersons, He did it
Speaker 1: with all these guys who should be twenty one twenty
Speaker 1: two batters and out. I mean Clay Holmes. Again, Clay
Speaker 1: Holmes was going really well. Clay Holmes was a conversion.
Speaker 1: You needed to be conservative to get him further into
Speaker 1: the season, and they weren't, and he baited really hard
Speaker 1: last year. You know, these are things and again I
Speaker 1: don't think David's Darnce doesn't. David Stearns also knows how
Speaker 1: Freddy Peralta works.
Speaker 3: Ye, yes he does. And you can tell all you
Speaker 3: can do is give him the information, right, Like you
Speaker 3: can't sit in the dugout and manage the team form
Speaker 3: correct And like David Searns hired this guy, right, Like
Speaker 3: it's not like ye and like sometimes you know maybe
Speaker 3: he interviews really well. Well, there are a lot of
Speaker 3: marks on Sterens here.
Speaker 1: I also I do, I do really wonder though, like
Speaker 1: you always have to ask what who are you getting?
Speaker 1: That's better?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'll say, like I'll try not to repeat
Speaker 3: myself from the podcast I recorded yesterday.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: But the thing with Sterns versus Mendoza, right, Mendoza is
Speaker 3: only responsible for making the major league roster tick. That
Speaker 3: is his job. And the most visible thing that David
Speaker 3: Stearns does is create and shape the major league roster. Right,
Speaker 3: But it's not the only thing he does. And I
Speaker 3: don't know that's even I mean, it is primarily like
Speaker 3: everything is pulling towards winning, putting a winning team on
Speaker 3: the field and the majors. Right, But the prod like
Speaker 3: the fantasy baseball moves.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: The trades and the high level free agent signings are
Speaker 3: the most visible part of that, but they're not the
Speaker 3: only part of it. And I think because this offseason
Speaker 3: has gone out as badly as outcomes as possible, I
Speaker 3: don't think the process was awful, although you can nitpick
Speaker 3: certain parts of it certainly right like maybe the Bishet theets.
Speaker 3: I don't think anbody thought sheet was going to be
Speaker 3: this bad. He might just end up having the Bobochet
Speaker 3: season by the time it's all said and done. Anyway,
Speaker 3: he's heading.
Speaker 1: In that direction better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the structure of that contract, while he is
Speaker 3: a qualifying offer guy, I think you can sure nitpick.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to point out Polanco versus Alonzo, which is fine,
Speaker 3: but also like, what's actually happened is a Jaredy Eric
Speaker 3: Wagoman platoon, which has not been that much worse than Alonzo.
Speaker 1: Uh well, I don't to me. The Polanco thing that
Speaker 1: was crazy to me was Ryan o'hearne is there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't actually like Ryan O'Hearn has a one
Speaker 1: twenty three ops.
Speaker 3: Plus, he's been better. He is pretty good, but I
Speaker 3: just don't like at the time I don't think there
Speaker 3: was also actually a first base. Yeah, I just don't
Speaker 3: think there was a huge argument. Like I don't think
Speaker 3: there was a huge difference either way, like at that
Speaker 3: moment on that contract a little bit. They both got
Speaker 3: two year deals. Like it's not if you think Polanco
Speaker 3: is the guy, you.
Speaker 1: Just didn't get twenty million a year. No, yeah, like
Speaker 1: two and I thought he had forty.
Speaker 3: Did he get too? I think you're like two thirty six?
Speaker 3: But whatever, maybe he got maybe he did get two forty,
Speaker 3: he got forty, Yeah, I mean, but.
Speaker 1: The thing is that it was a lot for a
Speaker 1: guy who had been better, had for a few years,
Speaker 1: had had the injury, right, I mean, look, I understand
Speaker 1: it too, but also like couldn't stay on the field.
Speaker 3: I think the argument is they actually should have sign
Speaker 3: both of them. They don't have to play Mark Bianto's
Speaker 3: and Brett Bady.
Speaker 1: But there's that.
Speaker 3: But so again you can nitpick things here in there, right,
Speaker 3: like they the Nemo trade, Okay, but like Nemo hasn't
Speaker 3: actually been better than Carson banjer a j ewing really.
Speaker 1: So no, they just have you j mend so yeah, but.
Speaker 3: They've had a lot of it yes, but they have
Speaker 3: had a.
Speaker 1: Lot of I also do, like we've talked about Nimo
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 3: Nemo didn't want a d she would be dhing more
Speaker 3: in this that's one of the trade.
Speaker 1: He's a one twenty oh ps plus this year. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of that is park adjustment.
Speaker 3: From it is a lot of it is park adjustment
Speaker 3: from Texas. I mean, that's a terrible park tohead.
Speaker 1: Maybe it is a terrible park to hidden, but like
Speaker 1: that's still I I I don't know if things would
Speaker 1: look as good if he was in city, just in general,
Speaker 1: and again they had they shifted where the money ends, right,
Speaker 1: and they had depth there. M J. Melenda is notwithstanding,
Speaker 1: like they had organizational depth there generally.
Speaker 3: Right, And like, look, they signed talk Ben and he
Speaker 3: just had the injury, right, like they've had Tailor's missed
Speaker 3: a bunch of time. Not that I'm a huge Tyron
Speaker 3: Taylor fan, but he's a better bench outfield option than MJ. Melendez.
Speaker 3: But they've been able to run with Sodo Bennginewing, And
Speaker 3: I think that's like your outfield for the next five years.
Speaker 1: So right, yeah, I think I don't know. I look
Speaker 1: at you said, there's a lot of marks against him,
Speaker 1: and there are I think I don't know that I
Speaker 1: loved Freddy Peralta as as the acquisition, like what they
Speaker 1: needed him to be. To me, he was not an
Speaker 1: East because of the games and stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: don't even necessarily need an ace. I didn't mind them
Speaker 1: getting him, but I didn't think he was like the
Speaker 1: answer right for the rotation, I think, But I think
Speaker 1: I generally liked it.
Speaker 3: I just I mean, I think they had a good
Speaker 3: rotation going into the season, and then McLean has been
Speaker 3: on more and even than you would have hoped, and
Speaker 3: Holmes got hurt, right, So that's how you're they've had
Speaker 3: to Like, Mania has been better recently in shorter outings
Speaker 3: they've moved on from Peterson. Christian Scott's been pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all in all, although he's more of that like five
Speaker 3: inning guy at the moment. But he's also coming off
Speaker 3: Tommy Johnson. That might be part of it as well. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like they found I'm not particularly worried about the pitching
Speaker 3: going forward.
Speaker 1: I guess I was gonna say, like, I generally think
Speaker 1: the process is pretty defensible. I think he's taken some
Speaker 1: gambles that I don't know that I love, but I understood, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know when the Luis Robert Gamble, right, but
Speaker 1: you knew it could end up like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess my question would be, where
Speaker 3: were they getting a better, better pitcher than Freddy Perolta
Speaker 3: this past offseason?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't, I don't know. Yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 1: fair It's absolutely fair. Again, I think the process is
Speaker 1: pretty defensible, which is why I think this idea. I've
Speaker 1: really I feel like I've pushed back a lot on
Speaker 1: the idea that he's remotely close to getting fired.
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think they'll fire him, just
Speaker 3: because I think what we talked about with the turnover
Speaker 3: in the field staff is even more both more prevalent
Speaker 3: in the front office and more detrimental. Like you can
Speaker 3: just bring like, honestly, you can just bring in a
Speaker 3: new manager. This happens all the time. Well, like they
Speaker 3: shouldn't be cycling through them this quickly or firing the
Speaker 3: mid season as often as they have over the last
Speaker 3: fifteen years.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 3: You know or all, he's not even fifteen since they
Speaker 3: let Kerry Collins go. But like the front office, this
Speaker 3: part of The problem is like when Sterns came in,
Speaker 3: is you had people from like five different front offices
Speaker 3: still just hanging around under contract doing stuff like it
Speaker 3: takes time to sort through that. And like Sterens has
Speaker 3: not actually been able to bring in outside of Edward
Speaker 3: as well. I was one of his agms. He has
Speaker 3: really not been able to bring in a lot of
Speaker 3: the if he even wants to a lot of the
Speaker 3: people from Milwaukee, because they're still in Milwaukee is under
Speaker 3: contract and there's going back away as like Mark at
Speaker 3: Nazio is not inclined to do Steve Cohen any favors
Speaker 3: in terms of letting people out of contracts for promotions
Speaker 3: and things like that.
Speaker 1: Well, and they had some when Stern's left. There was
Speaker 1: like some strict stuff about how many you know, and.
Speaker 3: Like there's also you know, is the next guy going
Speaker 3: to keep Chris Gross? Is the next guy going to
Speaker 3: keep the hitting apparatus? Is the next guy going to keep?
Speaker 3: Like I mean maybe I mean you can set that
Speaker 3: like who is hiring the next guy? Is it Corn Ferry?
Speaker 3: Because I don't know if Steve Cohen, like there's Sandy
Speaker 3: Algison's not around anymore. But I'm talking about this in
Speaker 3: the minute with the Angels. I guess he could bring
Speaker 3: in I don't even know. It's a funny one to uh,
Speaker 3: you can bring in like a consultant, interim, you know,
Speaker 3: hiring guy.
Speaker 1: But what are what are the Minnesota X Minnesota guys doing? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think to your point about you can just
Speaker 1: hire a manager like, is Andy Green going to be
Speaker 1: better than Carlos Mendoza, I think the answer is maybe.
Speaker 3: Maybe, Yeah, maybe, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think if you just went to the next guy
Speaker 1: over David after David Stearns, I think the answer is
Speaker 1: almost certainly not right. That's that's my point when I say,
Speaker 1: who are you going to get that's going to improve him?
Speaker 1: Because again, on Mendoza, it could be literally Andy Green,
Speaker 1: who was just there and before, and you know that's
Speaker 1: almost certainly not the case with Stearns. So it's a
Speaker 1: much different proposition. Ultimately, it's just a much different It's
Speaker 1: a different because.
Speaker 3: People don't understand like how much the number whatever, you
Speaker 3: knowther it's P O, B O or GM, whatever title
Speaker 3: they have, or it has to do beyond just deciding
Speaker 3: to sign Bobochet to a major league dealer. Trade for
Speaker 3: Freddy Parolta. That is the most sort of like visible
Speaker 3: stuff that they.
Speaker 1: Well, And I don't want to overly simplify the job
Speaker 1: of a manager. It's it's also a very difficult job.
Speaker 1: But like I think, if you're but you're more of
Speaker 1: a cog as if you're I don't know, you're RODNEYL. Lenaris, right,
Speaker 1: the raised bench coach. Yeah, Like the fact that they
Speaker 1: fired Mendoza mid season is probably less of a impediment
Speaker 1: to you taking that job because you know you're going
Speaker 1: to get fired eventually. Right, maybe you just want your
Speaker 1: and like there's a decent chance you'll find another, if
Speaker 1: not managerial job like coaching, like Luis Rojas is like
Speaker 1: the third base coach for the Yankees, right, Like these
Speaker 1: guys do find.
Speaker 3: Sure there's more job. But if you're you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know whoever the next like Paul Taboni is, right,
Speaker 3: are you going to want to take the like you
Speaker 3: want less? Like I think if you know, if you're
Speaker 3: Rodney Lenaris, you are cock right, if you're you know,
Speaker 3: a hot shot, thirty five year old AGM, Like do
Speaker 3: you want to go work for Steve Cohen right now?
Speaker 3: If he fires David Stearns, like in the middle of
Speaker 3: the season or even really after the season after three years,
Speaker 3: right when he had I know that NLC.
Speaker 1: I think the answer is yes, I think it is.
Speaker 1: But you might think about it. Would think about what happened.
Speaker 3: With Boston after they fired him Bloom right, they had
Speaker 3: to go They that job was almost impossible. They hired
Speaker 3: the Craig Breslow was the Cub's pitching coordinator at the time.
Speaker 1: Was not even like h and I and I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you, I do wonder if part of me'son Greg
Speaker 1: Breslow still seems very secure in his job is because
Speaker 1: who would he can't keep doing this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one likes doing it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean it's awful. But but also like if
Speaker 1: you're the next again, wasn't Tiboni with the Red Sox,
Speaker 1: like you know which if you were with them, if
Speaker 1: you were Paul Tiboni with the Red Sox and they said, hey,
Speaker 1: look we're thinking about moving on from Craig, what do
Speaker 1: you think would you be like, you might want to
Speaker 1: go work for the Nationals. I'll start clean. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: last guy in the with the Nationals was there? How
Speaker 1: long was Rizzo there? Twelve years more than that. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I might go with these guys.
Speaker 3: And he got to come in and clean house immediately
Speaker 3: and bring in his guys and do whatever he wants, right,
Speaker 3: I don't know Steve Collin's going to let you do that.
Speaker 1: Smellon like roses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta put together a bullpen at some point,
Speaker 3: but not that. It doesn't not the hardest thing to do.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be this year, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I apologize to the to the listeners for spending so
Speaker 1: much time in this. I think. I think the Mets
Speaker 1: the manager thing is very interesting to me, and the
Speaker 1: Mets are are real phrase.
Speaker 3: I'm always too interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's go to our next segment. It's it's
Speaker 1: more of the same man, Thank you for sending me
Speaker 1: an angel. Perry Mansion was fired. Uh I I saw
Speaker 1: a report. I saw a post, I should say, I
Speaker 1: saw post that said news broke of this. Well, the
Speaker 1: Angels were playing a holly Jolly Christmas over the loud speakers,
Speaker 1: which you know, and and no one has answered me,
Speaker 1: I said the person who sent it to me in
Speaker 1: a chat, I said it was it's a group chat,
Speaker 1: and someone else moved on and was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it that the news or whatever. And I went
Speaker 1: back and said, wait a minute, why was Holly Jolly
Speaker 1: Christmas plane in June?
Speaker 3: Are you doing like a Christmas in June thing?
Speaker 1: People do that, That's July. People do Christmas in July.
Speaker 3: But it's like actually six months apart. So it's like
Speaker 3: the mid I.
Speaker 1: Don't know we are marketing. Is Christmas in July? Is
Speaker 1: it not? Am I crazy?
Speaker 3: I mean maybe it is.
Speaker 1: It might have been. I think I think Molly Jolly
Speaker 1: was being interviewed somewhere at the time, and this is
Speaker 1: the first time I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: Of Molly Jolly.
Speaker 1: She's a team president, Yes she is, but I had
Speaker 1: not I had no awareness of that prior to now,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't impact your life at all. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: now it because Mollie Jolly apparently made this decision. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they are hiring that way. They've hired John mose
Speaker 1: lac On as a contract. I mean, he's a consultant
Speaker 1: and the energy but he is a consultant to the organization.
Speaker 1: He also apparently has not talked to Lady at any
Speaker 1: point I would be saying this. I think that's a
Speaker 1: great idea, and I was John Mosella, I would have
Speaker 1: said one, I will take this to talk first on
Speaker 1: my consultant contract. You know.
Speaker 2: The thing is that, like I don't think he has
Speaker 2: to worry about speaking Artie Marina. I think the worry
Speaker 2: is about Marty Marina speaking to him.
Speaker 1: But my point is no contact, no contact. You know,
Speaker 1: it all happens through Molly Jolly. That's fine whatever.
Speaker 2: I had a choice of writing between. I was like,
Speaker 2: do I write about Indozer, do I write about an Asian?
Speaker 2: And I I'm rather right about Asia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 2: The Mendoza stuff. The Mindoza's story feels like a beat
Speaker 2: writer story, like we are going to find out the
Speaker 2: details when the beat writers extract the details, and that's
Speaker 2: what they're there for. And I'm glad they're doing this.
Speaker 1: They're actually there to imply David Stearns is to blame
Speaker 1: and yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh this is this is just the angels, the angels
Speaker 2: being the angels, and so yeah, I wrote about this.
Speaker 2: This is a good move for them. It is not
Speaker 2: not in terms of what I want or what you want,
Speaker 2: or what Angels fans want, but as far as what
Speaker 2: the angels want.
Speaker 3: No, I think this is actually like good for the Angels.
Speaker 3: Maybe good for the Angels.
Speaker 2: I think it will bring them back to the ninety
Speaker 2: loss three million fan status that the Angels want to
Speaker 2: be in. Yeah, they want to be like they are
Speaker 2: evil Rockies. The Rockies couldn't do it anymore. The Angels
Speaker 2: think they.
Speaker 3: Can and doing it though I do.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. You talk about the evil Rockies,
Speaker 1: but like the Angels are just living firmly in the
Speaker 1: Rockies zone at this point.
Speaker 4: I just came up.
Speaker 2: They're just not doing They're just like letting the building
Speaker 2: crumble and letting the ac fall apart, and they're like
Speaker 2: they're like they want to be the Rockies, but like
Speaker 2: doing a little less work.
Speaker 3: Yeah. This came up in the Frali kids discord. I
Speaker 3: think because like the Median and modal age and there's
Speaker 3: thirty seven years old, but people talking about, like again,
Speaker 3: the Angels were so good when I was younger, right,
Speaker 3: like you know the Garrett Anderson Vlad Guerrera, like they
Speaker 3: won a World Series. They were a pesty playoff team
Speaker 3: and they always played the yank They famously were like
Speaker 3: the Yankees bugaboo and like what happened, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: like Ardy Morino bought the team in literally two thousand
Speaker 3: and three, and like there's been some there was some
Speaker 3: carryover from the old regimes for a few years. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then Mike kept running the things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wrong to say he's done nothing, since he's
Speaker 1: clearly done some stuff. Yeah, but like essentially he's just
Speaker 1: as Patrick said, like he's just letting letting stuff. It's
Speaker 1: a lot like like in Washington, d C. And there
Speaker 1: was a big deal made about it because there was
Speaker 1: like a crash and stuff, but like they just didn't
Speaker 1: do any maintenance for thirty years on the meta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just were like, it's working.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they should have done. All they had to do
Speaker 3: was painted blue and we've been fine.
Speaker 1: It turns out, well that's a different that's not the matter.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you just don't do maintenance for thirty years
Speaker 1: and everything seems fine and then yeah, yeah until it breaks.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah.
Speaker 3: But it's like with like hurricane, with a superstorm, sandy
Speaker 3: or whatever, like they just like, oh, yeah, these pumps
Speaker 3: have been working since eighteen ninety in the subway, it's
Speaker 3: probably fine, yeah.
Speaker 1: Probably, Yeah, And then you turn out you have to
Speaker 1: you have to actually have the pumps work. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you know, yeah, it does. It feels a lot
Speaker 1: like that that he's.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, like obviously, like Mike Trout, no Tani covered
Speaker 3: for a lot of this over the it's easier to only.
Speaker 1: Lose ninety accomplish anything.
Speaker 3: Well, it's easier to lose only ninety when you have
Speaker 3: Mike Trout. There is a floor there.
Speaker 2: Imagine the Rockies with a Mike Trout.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I still I look at this stuff and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've hated at the time that
Speaker 1: they've that man and made a ton of these moves,
Speaker 1: like Robert Stevens, like you got the robertson some of them, Patrick,
Speaker 1: you you listened a lot and like it's a lot
Speaker 1: of money spent for very little production.
Speaker 2: To summarize, it's three hundred million dollars and they got
Speaker 2: for warp.
Speaker 1: It's ratio how.
Speaker 3: Much of that It's like most of that is Anthony Rendall.
Speaker 1: No, that doesn't.
Speaker 2: Before n down is less money than that and also
Speaker 2: more work than that.
Speaker 1: Right, But yeah, so you can you can go down the.
Speaker 2: List, right, the Robert Stevenson deal, you know, and he
Speaker 2: got Yeah, Tyler Anderson.
Speaker 1: I look, I will I have to grow on that. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm saying I didn't hate it at the time. I
Speaker 1: didn't hate it at the time. He had come off
Speaker 1: the year with the Dodgers and I and whatever, and
Speaker 1: he's and he was bad. He was awful, especially on
Speaker 1: our work. But he was awful and that was bad.
Speaker 1: But I didn't think they jumped the market on that one.
Speaker 1: I remember that signing came in like November. That deal
Speaker 1: is the best one of the bunch. Ok. Yeah, again,
Speaker 1: I didn't hate the Kakuchi one. I didn't hate Anderson.
Speaker 1: I should have. That's that's wrong, right, Like that's wrong.
Speaker 1: But Iglesias is probably fine.
Speaker 2: Glasius is fine, except they they decided it wasn't fine
Speaker 2: a year and a half into the four year deal
Speaker 2: got out of it, and that was great for the Braves,
Speaker 2: like whatever value they got out of it.
Speaker 1: But I don't that that felt a lot. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: Like the trade was, Yeah, that was was. It was weird.
Speaker 3: The Brandon marsh for a happy deal isn't looking great
Speaker 3: right now either.
Speaker 1: No, No, that's that's tough one. Yeah yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: like a cinder guard blatantly bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was that was not the only
Speaker 3: team to make that mistake, right and not it wasn't
Speaker 3: even a terrible punt at the time. No, it was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: because they signed him like he.
Speaker 1: Was before the Dodgers tried it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they signed They probably gave him too much money,
Speaker 3: but you probably had to give him too much money
Speaker 3: to get him to come to Anaheim.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't hate the Travis Darnault thing. We
Speaker 1: all said, that's like the premium backup catcher thing, just awful.
Speaker 1: It ran Carlos Estevez again, like not he's been better.
Speaker 1: I mean, you do this with relievers, but like they've
Speaker 1: all been It's too much money to relievers for a
Speaker 1: bad team, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like on a theme, it's a problem, and maybe the
Speaker 1: trades are are a problem, but it just this is
Speaker 1: another one where I'm just like, I don't know that
Speaker 1: I hated all of these, but like it really has
Speaker 1: not worked out and well.
Speaker 2: And even tho it's one year deals. Like the other
Speaker 2: thing is that like the connotation about the Angels is
Speaker 2: that they essentially ran out of money and had to
Speaker 2: give a lot of one year deals to kind of
Speaker 2: reclamation projects. Uh, and they've reclaimed none of them, like
Speaker 2: they've like it's yeah, and they either hit on a free.
Speaker 3: Agent right and like you can also like I've written
Speaker 3: a lot about their drafting and player development strategy over
Speaker 3: the years, but you can't have this many high first
Speaker 3: round picks and only get like Zach Nettow, who's a
Speaker 3: nice player, probably a first division starker out of it.
Speaker 2: Right, Nolan Chohan will yeah is he's one hundred and
Speaker 2: five ps plus and he will be for the rest
Speaker 2: of time. Yes, it doesn't matter where he went or
Speaker 2: how it went there, Like that's how.
Speaker 3: He would have the second overall pick, and they took
Speaker 3: Tyler Bremner, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean there was there was the the
Speaker 1: all uh, the all picture draft.
Speaker 3: There's the all picture draft.
Speaker 2: Right, the shaping themselves for finally strategy.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't say they're finally getting something out of Debt Meurs.
Speaker 3: They have returned Debtmers to what he was in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty eight.
Speaker 1: And it's about agent you get something out of story
Speaker 1: like Soriano. Yeah, I know there's been some backslide this season,
Speaker 1: but like it looks legitimately good. Yeah, Debtmers looks legitimately.
Speaker 3: Robert Uringa has been I don't know if he's actually
Speaker 3: a starter long term, but has been a decent and
Speaker 3: up starter for the miss year.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Again, so much of this there's there's the same kind
Speaker 1: of discussion from Mendoza to Stearns as there is from
Speaker 1: Manasium to Marino. And that doesn't excuse the poor job
Speaker 1: done by by Manasim right, Like I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to say putting.
Speaker 3: I think probably firmer guardrails in there than Stearn's west
Speaker 3: of Mendoza.
Speaker 1: Sorry, say that again.
Speaker 3: I think Moreno probably has firmer guardrails for Mansi And
Speaker 3: then Stern said for Mendoza, right, And.
Speaker 1: We'll never know for sure, but probably yeah. I just
Speaker 1: it's it's and it's easy to say, let's all point
Speaker 1: this to to Marino, but there are there are gms
Speaker 1: who have worked for bad owners who have made things
Speaker 1: work right and sons was Now who are the gms
Speaker 1: who have made things work for Marna?
Speaker 2: But the Jaya Poto and Billy Upy both got jobs
Speaker 2: right away.
Speaker 1: I surprised that Harry Man gets a job. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying a GM job, but he'll get might be somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I just like he also kind of like jumped. This
Speaker 3: was a pretty not as uh not.
Speaker 1: As fast as they promote people through their farm system.
Speaker 3: Well not not as big a jump as like Breslow,
Speaker 3: but it was still a bigger jump than you would
Speaker 3: normally expect to get into the big chair. And I
Speaker 3: get like all these guys have egos like they think, oh,
Speaker 3: I can make it work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like and like the Angels like want in a GM.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the end, the Angels were starting for such
Speaker 3: a low base, like everywhere operationally when he came in,
Speaker 3: like there there should have been more like layups than
Speaker 3: there actually ended up being. Yeah, so of that might
Speaker 3: be moreno than what he can actually allow him to
Speaker 3: spend money on him outside of the major league team.
Speaker 1: I do also wonder I would love to know more
Speaker 1: details about what what it is that moreno does that
Speaker 1: that hamstrings these guys so much. Right, Look, we know
Speaker 1: we know some stuff. He he went in and put
Speaker 1: a put the kaibash on a deal that would have
Speaker 1: said Andy Pajyes and Jack Peterson and others to Anaheim
Speaker 1: for Luis Ronhifo and one other guy way back when
Speaker 1: we know he did that. We know he sometimes just
Speaker 1: goes and meets with Scott Boris or someone else and
Speaker 1: signs signs an impact.
Speaker 2: One of the lawns to just be and yes, work
Speaker 2: around for for agents.
Speaker 1: We know he does that sometimes. I'm sure he says.
Speaker 1: You know, Patrick, you pointed this out, like they do
Speaker 1: find in attendance rights.
Speaker 2: Get tickets, and they have a big market and and they.
Speaker 1: Get they get some names and you know whatever. But
Speaker 1: I would love to know specifically what it is that
Speaker 1: hamstrings guys so badly. I look, I suspect Jeff Well,
Speaker 1: we'll make a face. I mean for saying this. I
Speaker 1: don't think Perry Manzing is like dumb, right, like he's
Speaker 1: a dumb get sure I do. I will point out,
Speaker 1: you know, Riley Breckenrich, who read our annual essay and
Speaker 1: runs productive outs like has pointed out they just kept
Speaker 1: u like the injury stuff was very weird, as it
Speaker 1: is in the Organs going through stuff like this, as
Speaker 1: it has been for the Mets before too. But we're
Speaker 1: still looking three weeks later, we're still looking at it
Speaker 1: like we're still waiting for the results and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? So you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he's dumb in some other areas. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you know, bad at this, But I don't know. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if he was competent somewhere else. Sure,
Speaker 1: So like, okay, it goes back.
Speaker 3: To Moreno, but what he you can't like he's been
Speaker 3: trying to sell that.
Speaker 1: Lorena was also gonna be there for the next guy
Speaker 1: there is there is.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is how I concluded the piece, like
Speaker 2: there is a path forward under Marina, and that is
Speaker 2: that you spend well on veterans like Breno was clearly
Speaker 2: willing to. They spent money pay rolls like fourteenth.
Speaker 1: Or something this year.
Speaker 3: It's it's a right that it was ten years ago.
Speaker 2: Sure, and and yes, you're not going to build a
Speaker 2: winner out of it. But if you want a five
Speaker 2: hundred teen that people want to come to the stadium for,
Speaker 2: if you want to make the Angels, Mazella is not
Speaker 2: a bad fit for making.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just gonna he's gonna be I mean,
Speaker 3: he's going to.
Speaker 1: It's a real choice to take the guy who the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: who had been one of the model franchises for years
Speaker 1: and years, had three straight losing seasons and said we
Speaker 1: need to re sign a guy to slowly transition from
Speaker 1: this guy and to modernize everything about our our organization.
Speaker 1: And and then say, like for the Angels, they say
Speaker 1: that's the guy that but they do I think they
Speaker 1: truly would love to be this this is the being
Speaker 1: the two thousand, but they're going to be the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four Cardinals. They don't know that. They think the
Speaker 1: other ones.
Speaker 3: So the thing about bringing in Mazaliac, like you don't
Speaker 3: want to buire your GM right before the draft and
Speaker 3: the trade deadline, right, but Bazaliak like will relate fine
Speaker 3: to the scouts, the long tender scouts that run the
Speaker 3: draft for them. And he's basically said in its pressure,
Speaker 3: like I'm not going to get super involved anyway. And
Speaker 3: as far as the trade deadline goes, Moreno said he's
Speaker 3: not trading anybody so worried about that, Like he doesn't
Speaker 3: have to try to figure out how to trade read
Speaker 3: Debt Meurs and Jose Soriano and whoever else because they're
Speaker 3: not getting traded.
Speaker 1: They really should they should, Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: But it is going to be a very weird trade deadline. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I think Mazzeliak is going to be like
Speaker 3: heavily involved in hiring the next GM there, and I
Speaker 3: suspect you're gonna hear a lot of names from the
Speaker 3: Cardinal's front office that aren't hind Bloomer and haven't been
Speaker 3: brought in by hind bloom Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, that'll probably be like Randy.
Speaker 3: Randy Flores is an a like Jeff Flesher mentioned ready
Speaker 3: Flores Already, Randy Flores is a much better GM than
Speaker 3: the Angels probably would have been able to get on
Speaker 3: their own. Even then it's the Angels.
Speaker 1: But if you're a Randy Flores, why would you take
Speaker 1: this job?
Speaker 3: Well, at a certain point, about.
Speaker 1: If you're the next hot shot whoever he is, but
Speaker 1: he's not anymore, if the if the other option is,
Speaker 1: I mean, would you go work for Steve Cohen if
Speaker 1: the other option is Ardi Moreno, But at.
Speaker 3: A certain point, like you're gonna you gotta take the
Speaker 3: job in front of you, right's been close a couple
Speaker 3: of times but hasn't gotten it. And you're only the
Speaker 3: hot GM candidate for so long until there's another younger,
Speaker 3: hotter GM candidate.
Speaker 2: The two safest jobs to get are the one with
Speaker 2: a lot of runway, like say the Nationals. Yeah, or
Speaker 2: one where perimids and worked for five and a half
Speaker 2: years without.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get your.
Speaker 3: Time and look already might sell that team in the
Speaker 3: next couple of years. He's been trying to He.
Speaker 1: Has has been trying. Yeah. So the last thing on
Speaker 1: a rundown and before we go to to a break,
Speaker 1: says how bad a job is?
Speaker 3: No, really bad, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, well, if you're gonna rank it, uh, I.
Speaker 3: Think this is probably the worst number one baseball ops
Speaker 3: job you can have.
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying to argue, I'm I'm looking. Who
Speaker 1: are who are your contenders? Well, the Rockies, the Marlins.
Speaker 3: The Marlins are the Marlins. You generally get left alone
Speaker 3: within your.
Speaker 1: Budget, Well you can the Angels, you get left alone.
Speaker 3: Your no like moreno is more like nobody like Bruce
Speaker 3: Sherman does not care what Peter Bendix is spending in
Speaker 3: the draft right or where he's how like his draft.
Speaker 1: The Rockies will leave you alone.
Speaker 3: They I mean they'll leave you alone. But also you
Speaker 3: can just go but not literally any person can go
Speaker 3: for your head to get an answer from the owner.
Speaker 1: So so here's what I would say. I understand where
Speaker 1: the ORG is now is not remotely comparable. But the
Speaker 1: Pirates job, I think, yeah, job, Yeah, the ORG is
Speaker 1: in a much better position. I think it's a comparably
Speaker 1: bad like.
Speaker 3: I think that's the shift situation. Yes, but there's yeah,
Speaker 3: there's more med Lane than like the Marlins.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Here's the hot take Reds. I think within a year
Speaker 2: or two it might be the Orioles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a it's not a bad shout because
Speaker 1: I I also the athletics I think is miserable as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the other one, but I think also clearly preferable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you also have like Vegas on the size and
Speaker 3: they're like, I think they'll probably the money on the
Speaker 3: Horizon on the horizon, but I think they'll probably like you.
Speaker 1: Have to figure out how to be the not the
Speaker 1: lesser Antilles, but the lesser Rockies in terms of pitching staffs.
Speaker 3: Right, But I think they'll actually like the Horizon. I
Speaker 3: think they'll spend money to make a show of it
Speaker 3: for the first couple of seasons out there, Like you'll
Speaker 3: have the opportunity.
Speaker 1: I just think I think having to having to talk
Speaker 1: to John.
Speaker 3: Fisher just no, that's the same with already Marina. But
Speaker 3: you also like you're at least and I don't think
Speaker 3: they're making a front office move anytime, particularly soon, Like
Speaker 3: you would be inheriting a very good offensive corps if
Speaker 3: nothing else. Yeah, I like this is then Zach Medow,
Speaker 3: Nolan Shahnawell and Joe Adell right like this.
Speaker 1: Is it's at least Nick Kurtz, It's at least.
Speaker 3: Nick Kurts like, look, Sodershrim has been good, has he? Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's been like twenty five. You got a bad start
Speaker 3: and he's been a lot better.
Speaker 1: I remember the bad start. That's why I wasn't look.
Speaker 1: I also I would caution to to to all the
Speaker 1: owners listening to this podcast. It's not But I think
Speaker 1: one of the lessons here is I think not long
Speaker 1: ago you could have looked at at the Nationals and
Speaker 1: said they were bottom five jobs in that you would want.
Speaker 1: And what the what the Learners have done after not
Speaker 1: selling a team? Take it take a hint, are you right?
Speaker 1: Is they hired someone who knew what they were doing.
Speaker 1: They let them run the team, and they've stayed the
Speaker 1: fuck out of it.
Speaker 3: And he's not going to do any of those things.
Speaker 1: No, he's not going to do any of those things.
Speaker 1: But but again, a year ago, having this, we might
Speaker 1: have had this discussion. But if we had this discussion
Speaker 1: a year ago, I think you would have put them
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I don't. Maybe we did, but
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but it would have been pretty far
Speaker 1: down there. Right. They had all sorts of timeline issues.
Speaker 1: They still kind of have the timeline issues, but you
Speaker 1: can you can sell it a little bit more given
Speaker 1: the results thus far.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: And and the reality is I never would have thought
Speaker 1: that the learners would let whoever came in and took
Speaker 1: over do the modernization spend the way that they need
Speaker 1: to spend.
Speaker 3: On that quickly, like immediately, the first immediately, And.
Speaker 1: It's just look, do I think it automatically bears fruit
Speaker 1: like this in most situations. No, I think they've they've
Speaker 1: there was a lot of low hanging fruit that they've
Speaker 1: been able to pick and all that stuff. But even
Speaker 1: that being said, I don't think it's a guarantee you
Speaker 1: get results like this this.
Speaker 3: Quickly as.
Speaker 1: They let them find out. So that was the last note.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. We'll come back with the rest
Speaker 1: of Welcome back to episode five hundred and fifty eight
Speaker 1: of five and dive segment three. Hey, now you're an
Speaker 1: All Star. You guys are gonna have to talk me
Speaker 1: through some of this. I've not kept I barely keep
Speaker 1: up with All Star voting anyway.
Speaker 3: You know, I think that song has come out closer
Speaker 3: to the moon landing than today.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, almost cool, thank you, thank you for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it is like it was like what ninety six, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it was ninety six or ninety so it was.
Speaker 2: It was thirty years ago and the moon landings twenty
Speaker 2: seven years yeah, from ninety six. Yeah cool. Thanks, all right,
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was an All Star game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ernie Clement is going to the Ernie Clement as
Speaker 3: it was the highest vote getter in the al matching show. Heyo,
Speaker 3: Tani in the NL real like all the stars are here.
Speaker 3: Norm McDonald, Yeah, I don't. I don't know, like I
Speaker 3: assumed I should say that when it's all obviously the
Speaker 3: Jays have stuffed the ballot box. They have an entire
Speaker 3: country to do it with, and I just kind of assumed, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: there's going to be a backlash when it gets down
Speaker 3: to the right the head to head voting, Like, but
Speaker 3: Ernie Clement, of all the Jays, Ernie Clement got the
Speaker 3: most vote, so he will guarantee it a All Star spot.
Speaker 1: Where where does this fall on the on the spectrum
Speaker 1: of Eric Soguard is the face of baseball omar and
Speaker 1: is the starting what was the start going to be
Speaker 1: the starting All Star second baseman as the worst player
Speaker 1: in baseball when the Royals just what did they start?
Speaker 1: Like seven? Yeah, nine guys that I mean, that's what I.
Speaker 3: Think brought in the new Yes, real and like Clement
Speaker 3: has been fine, right.
Speaker 1: And it's a weak position.
Speaker 3: That it's a weak position. He's been fine. It's not
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think.
Speaker 1: It's a position. But he is the number one overall.
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't right, Like I don't like I would
Speaker 3: understand more if it was Lad because you would also
Speaker 3: have people outside of Toronto just being like, oh, Vlad Guerrero.
Speaker 3: He's he's cool, right, like not thinking about it too much,
Speaker 3: but obviously maybe he's getting less votes from the Jays
Speaker 3: that already Clement.
Speaker 1: Oh, they're probably mad at him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I don't understand the exact like mechanisms here.
Speaker 3: And like again, I don't super care about the All
Speaker 3: Star Game in twenty twenty six, which I don't know
Speaker 3: if that's the problem for baseball but large or not.
Speaker 3: But it's just very it is a little Eric Sogardy right, like,
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a better player than Eric Sogardy. But
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know should we be concerned that
Speaker 3: like this has become kind of like the All Star
Speaker 3: Game vote has become kind of a bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's so hard for me to
Speaker 1: care about the All Star Games, which, as you're saying,
Speaker 1: is maybe maybe that's a problem. I don't know that
Speaker 1: it is. I don't think anyone cares about any of
Speaker 1: the sports all Star games? Is America too online?
Speaker 3: The very yes, almost assured, Yeah, absolutely, there's too many posters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I it's I don't care. I don't care about this.
Speaker 2: This is democracy, this is how it's. Yeah. But then
Speaker 2: even when the ex you go back and whenever I
Speaker 2: like look at like past whenever I do like an
Speaker 2: old T and eighty four or something like that, I
Speaker 2: look at old R Star games I'm like the experts
Speaker 2: weren't any better at it, right, like time curdles all of.
Speaker 1: These Well, to your point, it was the most deserving
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Durn probably in terms of al second basement Jazz right.
Speaker 3: Has better, at least recently. I mean, he's got his
Speaker 3: own problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, he's his problems are more notable.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he said worse than earning Clement.
Speaker 1: Now again, this this also goes back to what is
Speaker 1: the point of the All Star game? Right? Like Joe
Speaker 1: always writes about this, is it a star? Is Ernie
Speaker 1: Clement a star?
Speaker 3: I mean I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe the brief moment when he slid across home plate
Speaker 1: and his helmet came off and.
Speaker 3: He very very.
Speaker 1: And he literally set the record for hitts in A playoffs.
Speaker 1: So sure, but he's a star.
Speaker 3: And who.
Speaker 1: Nobody but Duran is not winning the position. He's Ernie
Speaker 1: Clement is the top a L vote getter. There are
Speaker 1: other stars in the a L. Right, Like the problem
Speaker 1: Ernie get the most votes among al right, exactly, that's
Speaker 1: that's the difference. Yeah, yeah, but is it like again
Speaker 1: to your point, like, is this a problem? I know, whatever,
Speaker 1: So like, no, it's fine, let's get it's weird, but
Speaker 1: it's fine. Yeah, do we want to Is there anything
Speaker 1: else to talk about? The All Star Game?
Speaker 3: We might get a little more out of that than
Speaker 3: we did, but I guess no one cares enough.
Speaker 2: We could talk about what is the All Star Game?
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: This is there's been a little like I feel like
Speaker 2: the All Star Game?
Speaker 1: Is U?
Speaker 3: Is it on Netflix again this year?
Speaker 2: It doesn't help right.
Speaker 3: Now, but is more interesting? Right? I would rather watch
Speaker 3: Junior Camonaro in the home run Derby than the All
Speaker 3: Star Game. Oh yeah, even if they're changing the roles back.
Speaker 1: We talk about and liken't I think it's miserable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's stupid. The clock was the clock was
Speaker 1: one of the best things they ever did. If you
Speaker 1: go back and and I understand this is like any
Speaker 1: so that the Homers also counts as a swing, which
Speaker 1: they didn't used to, which is why it took forever.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that's that is an improvement from
Speaker 1: the old system, the old old system, But they just
Speaker 1: needed to shorten the clock well, and there was too
Speaker 1: much time.
Speaker 2: I didn't want the pitching to be such a major
Speaker 2: factor in it, right, you had you had.
Speaker 3: Guys, how fast you get rid of But they were.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, you don't. You know, some way I'll have.
Speaker 3: A Lonzo's cousin and you'll be fine.
Speaker 1: They also cocked it all up with with like the
Speaker 1: if you hit this many balls over this.
Speaker 3: Distance down they made it too complicated.
Speaker 1: Making it complicated Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Like, I guess this will make it easier for them
Speaker 3: to film. They were actually having trouble tracking the balls
Speaker 3: in the last few years.
Speaker 1: I feel what they should do is.
Speaker 2: Just make everybody in the in the outfield stands wear
Speaker 2: a different colored shirt and it's just to get points
Speaker 2: based on which color which is the ball.
Speaker 1: Honestly, would probably be better. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be it as much as it
Speaker 1: was an issue tracking the ball, over seeing the next
Speaker 1: pitch or whatever. It was man right, like you'd get that.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the number of cuts rivaled a cooking
Speaker 1: show on Food Network, which is never a good thing,
Speaker 1: but it the stagnancy of waiting and like having the
Speaker 1: guy watch a pitch and wait and then take a
Speaker 1: swing and then gather themselves and wait like that is
Speaker 1: gonna be worrying, is my prediction. I still think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be. I don't know. I don't think that's an improvement.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to second and four around the horn. Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: you kept putting in the chat. I did not track
Speaker 1: this at all. I didn't get home until after this
Speaker 1: game finished. So uh, Yankees frauds.
Speaker 3: Let me get the exact quote that Aaron Boone had
Speaker 3: after the Yankees got mopped they lost four straights to
Speaker 3: the Boston Red Sox. Boone on not letting this snowball.
Speaker 3: That's what we do.
Speaker 1: Baby.
Speaker 3: You gotta love this stuff. You gotta eat this stuff up.
Speaker 3: It's a sickness. That's what the grind is. We got
Speaker 3: a really good freaking team. We played crappy on this trip.
Speaker 3: Feels bad, kind of pissed off, but it's what we do.
Speaker 3: Car Carlos Mendoza's mentor.
Speaker 1: To be clear, we couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: I want to like we get this, like we get
Speaker 3: a dramatic reading by Tim Robinson.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we need snapping behind.
Speaker 1: Look wouldn't you rather that? I mean, like, I don't.
Speaker 1: It feels there's some Tello said that I think it
Speaker 1: would be awful. Aaron Boone says it.
Speaker 3: And it's hello, you're oh, you're sweet?
Speaker 1: Yeah corny and it.
Speaker 5: Is like boom but like, yeah, there's the samages in
Speaker 5: the box. Guy, I think you want got a bit. Yeah,
Speaker 5: this is what Patrick's talking about. His bit is like
Speaker 5: corny ship like lost.
Speaker 3: Four straight to the twenty twenty six red Socks that
Speaker 3: are now.
Speaker 1: And that's played bad and behind kissed off and you've
Speaker 1: gotta you want to be a sick oh, Craig, you
Speaker 1: gotta eat this ship to and move on to the next.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you definitely need you definitely need to wait
Speaker 2: this question. Right, you were as a manager. Your team
Speaker 2: is going to lose four games in a row to
Speaker 2: a terrible team. Yeah, uh once or twice a year
Speaker 2: and you were It's like, it's like when someone in
Speaker 2: the office asks you how you are and you have
Speaker 2: to have a couple like you have to decide without
Speaker 2: telling them how you actually are because you don't want
Speaker 2: to talk to them. You've got to come up with
Speaker 2: a snappy yet original way of saying how you are
Speaker 2: that ends the conversation. You need to end this conversation.
Speaker 2: You need to you need an answer that goes I
Speaker 2: acknowledge that this has taken place, and I would like
Speaker 2: to talk about something else.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I had a senior vice president many years ago who
Speaker 3: would always answer that question, I couldn't possibly be better,
Speaker 3: which is like both annoying but also a good way to.
Speaker 1: You don't want to you don't want to ask another one.
Speaker 1: It's enough words. Yeah, it's like it breaks the flow of.
Speaker 6: All you can say to that is like, all right,
Speaker 6: I'm going to keep walking like I'm not like if
Speaker 6: I think about this, you too long, I don't.
Speaker 1: Want to talk to someone who couldn't possibly be better.
Speaker 1: And also always like it's always still tied for first guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the cal ripkin of doing well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable. That's that's a solid answer, Now I do
Speaker 1: I kind of I don't know what do you want
Speaker 1: him to say?
Speaker 3: Maybe not exactly that in that phrasing and that order, but.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think as far as manager answers
Speaker 1: go in the situations, it's it's like not bad.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's actually more Will Ferrell and old school like
Speaker 3: that way, the dramatic reading you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's real harm.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's like that kind of it's
Speaker 3: not laid back enough, it's not jazzy enough.
Speaker 1: I think I think Will Ferrell in Old School is
Speaker 1: a good shout.
Speaker 3: Like that where his shoulders are back and he's up
Speaker 3: in like a higher register than normally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or possibly even Will Ferrell from from kicking and
Speaker 1: screaming the Will Farrell one to elsewhere. Wyatt Langford is
Speaker 1: back on the I l for the for his place
Speaker 1: EXAs Rangers. Yeah, you guys did talk about him.
Speaker 3: He'd been very good since coming back off the IL
Speaker 3: last time a real heater or how many games? It's
Speaker 3: like two weeks.
Speaker 1: I think it was two weeks. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: was I caught up on the plane ride back when
Speaker 1: I wasn't watching Project so Mary and Uh. I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, they're talking about why at Langford being
Speaker 1: good and like I know he's on the ile. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was OS plus. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: As it turns out, he's just good. Every year he's
Speaker 1: just not maybe he'll play one hundred third can he
Speaker 1: play one hundred and thirty four games exactly?
Speaker 3: Again, he was back for almost exactly three weeks.
Speaker 1: Okay, the Texas Rangers.
Speaker 2: Oops, all seekers.
Speaker 3: Yeah is it?
Speaker 1: Oops?
Speaker 3: Yeah, design Evan Carter of course play again. Yeah, back
Speaker 3: off the il.
Speaker 1: For how long?
Speaker 3: That's a good question. Maybe is he Gil Durant will
Speaker 3: make it as a left fielder to the All Star
Speaker 3: Game at this point?
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: I will say why at Langford in June, which is
Speaker 3: covers the three weeks that he played three seventeen, three
Speaker 3: seventy one, six thirty four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very good, that's very good. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys covered this. But Josh Young really good,
Speaker 1: Jake Berger.
Speaker 3: Solid good enough, Peter Peterson good enough.
Speaker 1: Durroan good enough, Jack Peterson very very good. I mean
Speaker 1: he is a DH but Jack Peterson, yeah, justin foscue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the correct way of saying is age like just
Speaker 2: the tone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I as I continue my bit for
Speaker 3: last week, you're describing a five hundred team.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, right, no, and you I laughed. I
Speaker 1: laughed at that, and it's correct. I mean, that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all correct. You're describing a five hundred team in
Speaker 1: five hundred is good enough? Right now?
Speaker 3: The Astros only a game out of first now, I think, uh.
Speaker 1: The Astros are a game out. Parers are half game out,
Speaker 1: the Athletics are two games out. This is such I
Speaker 1: kept thinking about this. We'll listen, and I know I
Speaker 1: talked to that. It's just such a weird season.
Speaker 3: The Ale Central is getting a bye in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: I feel like the A.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think it's right. I know
Speaker 1: I've said this before, but I don't know that I'm
Speaker 1: right to say, like, is this what people want out
Speaker 1: of parody? But like, none of the this is almost
Speaker 1: like our good are like really supposed to be good
Speaker 1: or like even And the bigger problem is, I think
Speaker 1: it's great when a team that isn't supposed to be
Speaker 1: good is good. I don't think it's believably good.
Speaker 3: I don't think this is a parody. I think this
Speaker 3: is just a weird thing. I don't think this is
Speaker 3: specifically like if.
Speaker 1: This is kind of what people want out of parenty,
Speaker 1: I guess that it's all like you don't know, and
Speaker 1: it just just happened.
Speaker 3: But none of them are good, right, none of these people.
Speaker 1: Are bothering me? Right? The Dodgers are good, right, like
Speaker 1: the the Brewers are good.
Speaker 3: It would be a good story if the A's were
Speaker 3: actually good and won that division, right, yes, but if
Speaker 3: they win it by going by winning like eighty four games,
Speaker 3: I don't think they'll actually get to but like if
Speaker 3: they did hypothetically, like it doesn't feel as good. I
Speaker 3: understand that, But I think this is just a weird year.
Speaker 1: It is definitely it's just a weird year.
Speaker 2: There are four teams in the American League about five hundred.
Speaker 3: Right now, right like this like two unusual. And look,
Speaker 3: the Mariners have had a lot of injuries, right like,
Speaker 3: especially on the lineup side of things. Good, but like
Speaker 3: also like it's not that like so if the Mariners
Speaker 3: hadn't actually been good last year, we'd just be like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is the Mariners, Like this is what the Mariners do.
Speaker 2: Oh, we can still do that.
Speaker 3: We can still do that because it's only been like
Speaker 3: like the twenty twenty five suddenly looks like the outlier.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really great when MLB has
Speaker 1: four out of six AL teams be eighty four wins
Speaker 1: or less in the playoffs, and I don't know how
Speaker 1: many in the NL. The NL's better, but it's still
Speaker 1: gonna be like eighty like multiple eighty seven win teams
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and then they're gonna it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be mediocre fest in the playoffs, and then they're gonna
Speaker 1: go into a lockout and then put in peril their
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight media rights that they all bundled for
Speaker 1: that year. It's just gonna be spectacular to go into
Speaker 1: a nothing off season that they're gonna have this this
Speaker 1: labor debate over coming off in a season in which
Speaker 1: you can't credibly say more than like three teams in
Speaker 1: the entire league are any good?
Speaker 3: Right, like what we definitely need to It's like Cardinals
Speaker 3: Guardians World Series while they're trying to say we need
Speaker 3: a salary cap, right, Yeah, very don't do in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah sure they were one of the good teams, but
Speaker 1: it would still be bad for the market aspect of
Speaker 1: the argument. Elsewhere, speaking of some uh some bad, some
Speaker 1: mediocre teams, Chase the Laughter is back for the Guardians.
Speaker 1: The Guardians tied for first place, but forty four and
Speaker 1: forty Yes, surprising to me that he's back already from
Speaker 1: a I guess it's a small fracture in his ribs,
Speaker 1: but it's still a rib fracture.
Speaker 3: Can't think it's uncomfortable. Yeah, I guess it's just maybe
Speaker 3: it's a pain tolerance thing at this point, which I'm
Speaker 3: sure he's used to things hurting on his body.
Speaker 1: So I am sure he is a big deal for
Speaker 1: their lineup. As we discussed the guy's leaving, but for
Speaker 1: him to be back is certainly notable. Adley Rutchman and
Speaker 1: Dylan Beavers are back for Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Don't they need they need?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, they need them. I will.
Speaker 3: Michael Oasa said they're going to be buyers at the deadline,
Speaker 3: which I mean, I guess I did. I did see
Speaker 3: that when they're like three and a half out of
Speaker 3: a playoffs.
Speaker 1: So why not, Well, because thirty nine and forty six,
Speaker 1: they're only the.
Speaker 3: Man out three out right now? Yeah, the third.
Speaker 1: While I do believe the like this is, this is
Speaker 1: again a symptom of the weirdness of the season. I
Speaker 1: need people to know. I understand. I'm eating I'm looking
Speaker 1: bad on this right now.
Speaker 3: Right there's not even like normally you think, oh, there're
Speaker 3: seven under, but they're three out. There's gotta be a
Speaker 3: lot of teams between them. In the wild card, there's
Speaker 3: not that many. There's not that there's not There's a few,
Speaker 3: but there's not that many.
Speaker 1: I continue to look at the Orioles roster and think
Speaker 1: it I say roster, but like the good players on
Speaker 1: the Orioles and say, it makes more sense to me
Speaker 1: if they're good than the race. She really does. I don't.
Speaker 1: This is I guess, just a personal flaw. I understand that,
Speaker 1: and I understand they're not helping.
Speaker 3: You don't believe in Ben Williams.
Speaker 1: And fine, I do not leaving Ben Williams exactly, but
Speaker 1: and and look, I will struggle to believe in the
Speaker 1: Orioles as long as Samuel Bissio continues to play like
Speaker 1: through the wrist and just let him rest, please, But
Speaker 1: like this is part of my They should be buyers,
Speaker 1: the Orioles should be. I mean, I listened to this
Speaker 1: whole discussion you guys had with Colin on the Tigers, right,
Speaker 1: Like the Tigers should probably be buyers. They were, but
Speaker 1: they probably shouldn't be. Like they should be based on
Speaker 1: the roster, not the performance.
Speaker 3: If the Tigers were seven under, i'd said they should
Speaker 3: definitely be buyers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're fourteen under.
Speaker 4: That's a problem.
Speaker 1: They also and again thank you to Colin, they have
Speaker 1: a better run.
Speaker 3: Ru Well, the White Sox one just went up by
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so uh let me see where. Oh
Speaker 1: and Carter, we mentioned that you have a couple of
Speaker 1: call ups Jeffrey in uh In in Cooper Ingle speaking
Speaker 1: of the Guardians, I.
Speaker 3: Guess he's gonna stick out. He had been dhing. I
Speaker 3: wonder if he's going to stick around. I don't think
Speaker 3: he was a move for the laughter, but.
Speaker 1: No, it was p D helping.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, right is helping.
Speaker 1: Previously mentioned p D helping was the move for the
Speaker 1: latter and I'm gonna it's Miguel Yolaola Yes for the Astros. Right,
Speaker 1: he's still with this.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's a reliever now too. So I mean, look,
Speaker 3: they need a reliever.
Speaker 1: Do you do you have any Do you wanted to
Speaker 1: quick run down at least on Ingle?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Ingle is a catcher by trade, although he has started
Speaker 3: getting some He played a little corner outfield in college.
Speaker 3: He started getting a little more corner outfield time in
Speaker 3: Triple A this year. I'm sure, just to keep flexibility.
Speaker 3: He's a perfectly fine defensive catcher, which should be a
Speaker 3: perfectly adequate hitter, you know, He's generally run pretty high
Speaker 3: batting averages in the minors. I think given his swing
Speaker 3: rate and contact rate, that might not hold up in
Speaker 3: the majors. He's the ball reasonably hard like it's a
Speaker 3: very somewhere between ninety five and one oh five ops
Speaker 3: plus catcher kind of profile that can also play a
Speaker 3: few other spots and be an average hitter, which is
Speaker 3: something that the Guardians need because they well, you would
Speaker 3: want better than that in left field or DH. They
Speaker 3: don't necessarily have that in left field and DH right now.
Speaker 3: And he's always it's good fastball, good breaking ball, has
Speaker 3: not always known where it's going.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a reliever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there could be like some them Diddy air Flinta's
Speaker 3: here right where he might just figure it out a
Speaker 3: relief and be pretty dominant.
Speaker 1: Lastly, in some news that that would be a boon
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. Yeah, honestly, do people care
Speaker 1: about this for for reasons beyond player performance. But Carlos
Speaker 1: Santana has signed a minor league with Atlanta. I think
Speaker 1: he would be the oldest position player.
Speaker 2: In the league, right, I would assume, so Rowdy tells
Speaker 2: is up in the majors, So they need a new
Speaker 2: Rowdy Tells and Triple A to keep that to keep
Speaker 2: to keep Quinnette's like average age.
Speaker 3: And Tom Smith on the same roster.
Speaker 2: And they do have Carlos I love, like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what the exact number is, but that is such
Speaker 2: an old Triple A team. I think it's the oldest
Speaker 2: Triple A team obviously.
Speaker 1: Long time you brought this up. They just yeah, because
Speaker 1: they just they just like those guys, guys who would
Speaker 1: start for the Angels. All right, that takes us to
Speaker 1: our game.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this one was a user submitted game user
Speaker 2: listeners submitted game.
Speaker 1: Listening a.
Speaker 3: Podcast you acts anyway, probably good.
Speaker 2: So AJ sent this in like a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and I lost track of it because I lose track
Speaker 2: of all of them. But and then we had, you know,
Speaker 2: guests coming, so but we we haven't now, so we're
Speaker 2: going to play prices, right. AJ has supplied us with
Speaker 2: I believe twelve items that he found. Yeah, twelve items,
Speaker 2: and uh so I can play too. We're all going
Speaker 2: to guess the cost of the item and then this is.
Speaker 3: Like in team stores or eBay, what's like?
Speaker 2: So, so half of them are from the MLB Shop,
Speaker 2: four from MLB options, and two of them are from
Speaker 2: random websites as far as I can tell, Uh, So,
Speaker 2: what we'll do, we'll just all do it together.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what I would have done with
Speaker 3: that information anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, you know, maybe like factor in
Speaker 2: some inflation and I guess, I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not trying that hard. We'll just kind of like
Speaker 2: we'll do it as group and we'll just kind of
Speaker 2: take turns going first or whatever, justin numbers whenever you
Speaker 2: want to your first item. The twenty twenty five Los
Speaker 2: Angeles Dodgers World Series game use Dirt Jar bundle from
Speaker 2: a bundle of dirt two, three, six.
Speaker 1: And okay all their home games different games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much do you think of So this would
Speaker 2: be twenty twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Last year they played four home games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a Dodgers bundle. But they played those games.
Speaker 1: We're in Toronto. Wait, you said seven, I said, I
Speaker 1: said two, three, six and seven. I'm reading off the
Speaker 1: sheet man. Okay, so those are both home and away games.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, whatever, and they it's the ones they won,
Speaker 3: the one they want the ones they won. Okay, so
Speaker 3: it's a you get a mixed but you get get
Speaker 3: losing dirt. You get Canadian dirt and American dirt, but
Speaker 3: all victory dirt. Victory dirt.
Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: The description is not telling you how much of the
Speaker 2: dirt you get.
Speaker 3: What's what's killing me here is like I have the
Speaker 3: game from where they are kind of a left a
Speaker 3: slid for some reason.
Speaker 1: I have. I have browsed the memorabilia stuff after the
Speaker 1: World Series, so I know some of these costs. I
Speaker 1: have seen dirt. I have not seen a dirt, But
Speaker 1: how much I've seen dirt, I don't know.
Speaker 3: We don't know how much dirt and how much dirt
Speaker 3: and the jars.
Speaker 1: Like the like what a dirt. I've just never actually how.
Speaker 3: Much dirt is too much dirt?
Speaker 2: I guess for me we might get to that later.
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and fifty dollars fifty dollars who I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go yeah, I'm going to go with
Speaker 2: three hundred.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is this is closest without going over.
Speaker 1: I think it's just I was all set to go
Speaker 1: into one. All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna say, like
Speaker 1: seventy five bucks.
Speaker 2: Seventy five bucks. Wow, Okay, all right, art you guys,
Speaker 2: Andre Dawson Chicago Cubs.
Speaker 3: Are at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, all the answers I can, oh, you guys,
Speaker 1: I got yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Andre Dawson Chicago Cubs, autograph Fanatics, authentic black rawlings, pro bat.
Speaker 1: A Bottograph, bat audiky And I got to think back
Speaker 1: to absolutely, Andre, Andre, I'm trying.
Speaker 3: I got to think back to the autograph that was
Speaker 3: the average on that, which was like three twenty.
Speaker 1: I wrote it. I think I threw out the you
Speaker 1: were making.
Speaker 3: You still have a piece of paper on your dad
Speaker 3: two months ago.
Speaker 1: It's too it's covered by each I've got ship on
Speaker 1: my jack.
Speaker 3: I will say three hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: Fifty dollars, twenty five or twenty five. I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: high on this one. I'm gonna go with six.
Speaker 1: Wow, he's a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: One Sodo New York Men's game. Used dirt display?
Speaker 3: What using the dirt?
Speaker 1: What is a dirt display?
Speaker 2: Used dirt?
Speaker 3: How do you know what? So touched the.
Speaker 1: Dirt, disparaging dirt repeatedly. I do want to say, like
Speaker 1: The one instance I found movie of of dirt was
Speaker 1: when they were in Oakland. When they were the franchise
Speaker 1: was leaving and people were they were shoveling dirt and
Speaker 1: for people, I thought that was amazing. I thought that
Speaker 1: was such a great thing. But otherwise, stop stop purchasing dirt.
Speaker 3: So it's just like a picture of one soda with
Speaker 3: a jar of dirt.
Speaker 1: Is that what this is? Yeah? It's what is a
Speaker 1: dirt display?
Speaker 2: Maybe they maybe the draw I feel.
Speaker 3: Like I should, but I don't know. If it's like
Speaker 3: unfair information advantage.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Two and fifty dollars?
Speaker 1: No, man, can you tell me the name of it?
Speaker 2: Greig's going ten bucks?
Speaker 1: What? What? What is the name of one?
Speaker 2: Soto New York Mets game used dirt display.
Speaker 3: So the dirt is dirt is not done, but not
Speaker 3: the one is there there?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: You know those where is the hyphen?
Speaker 2: Remember those oil and sand things? This might be too
Speaker 2: early for you where you over and then you watch
Speaker 2: the oil trick through. I think it's that, but a
Speaker 2: picture one soda behind it so that you see the.
Speaker 3: Face backlit one.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say, fifty bucks.
Speaker 3: You would crack Creig is a anti dirt.
Speaker 1: Actually, are you displaying dirt? I think Jeff's.
Speaker 3: Where's the dirty dirt comes after the I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's what the yard is.
Speaker 2: I think Jeff's actually pretty close to this one. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go with two hundred Washington Nationals Fanatics authentic game
Speaker 2: used lineup card versus Detroit Tigers on June eleventh, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. Lineup cards are weird.
Speaker 3: They are weird. I'm gonna say, like, sixty bucks.
Speaker 1: Sixty bucks, all right, I'm gonna go one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's too much for Nats and Tigers, like I
Speaker 3: know they.
Speaker 1: I feel so out of a thirty bucks. They're thirty bucks.
Speaker 1: You couldn't. No one is faying for more. Who's pain,
Speaker 1: Craig A Burger Cross thirty bucks? These days? Burger gots
Speaker 1: thirty Yeah?
Speaker 3: Nice Patler, Freida bran Land, some carolized onions, Yeah all right.
Speaker 2: Joe Adell Los Angeles Angels autograph Fanatics authentic blonde rollings
Speaker 2: pro bat.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's an autograph, bat, it's an autograph. It's
Speaker 1: Joe Adele autogratograph bat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I I.
Speaker 2: Will say I think this one's two fifty.
Speaker 3: Say two wow? Okay, I was gonna say two ten,
Speaker 3: but I want to give myself a little more room,
Speaker 3: Sirs Patrick picked two fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you really put me in a buying Yeah
Speaker 2: that's your guess first. Yeah, well, well, wouldn't it helped?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say like two twenty five, and that's
Speaker 2: like right in the well, we are summing the differences,
Speaker 2: so you you just shouldn't guess what you think is
Speaker 2: the most.
Speaker 3: I think he's probably been either he's either winning or
Speaker 3: been eliminated by the That's right.
Speaker 1: It's all locked up one way or the other.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say two twenty five. Okay, who you are?
Speaker 1: Adriga Seattle Mariners Autograph Fanatics Authentic Fielding Funko Pop Vinyl
Speaker 1: Figurine with twenty twenty two Ale Rookie of the Year inscription.
Speaker 2: Boy I autographed funko pop, so I don't think negative
Speaker 2: values count, but I would I'm tempted.
Speaker 1: I truly don't know what a funko pop.
Speaker 3: I just bought a bunch of fun pop. I bought
Speaker 3: a funko pop for another kid's birthday party.
Speaker 1: Oh I know ro no, whatever they wanted to.
Speaker 3: There wasn't a lot of K Pop demon on her stuff.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 3: I will say seventy five dollars.
Speaker 1: Seventy five dollars, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say one
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. One hundred bucks. I am a yet again
Speaker 1: high man here and I'm gonna say one twenty five.
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, this is the buy now price. It's this
Speaker 2: has not been bought of a twenty twenty four team
Speaker 2: issued autographed regular season locker tag for Mike Gastremsky.
Speaker 3: So I like a little like.
Speaker 1: My brain shut down midway through that.
Speaker 2: You're you're a little buying a packard with Mike Gastremsky's
Speaker 2: name and autograph.
Speaker 4: One sixty five dollars, sixty five dollars, God.
Speaker 1: I honestly can't even Yeah, it's probably right around there.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say a hundred.
Speaker 3: It might be after I said it, that might be
Speaker 3: a little low.
Speaker 1: I'll split the difference. I'm gonna say eighty bucks eighty
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Now we're on lev so these have been you know,
Speaker 2: starting with that. When we're on auctions now, obviously instead
Speaker 2: of the shop the buy now price of a Gregory
Speaker 2: Polanco autographed helmet.
Speaker 1: Gregory read Elco el cofette, el cafe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first autographer helmet, never used.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I didn't you know what I didn't
Speaker 1: factor in the buy now. I think Patrick's right to
Speaker 1: go high for the buy now for the helmet. M
Speaker 1: that it was weird. You know a lot of helmets.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, I want to say sixty five,
Speaker 1: but the buy now is pushing me to ninety.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say one. Hellots are rare, Like, how do
Speaker 3: I think you can display like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can display dirt.
Speaker 3: They display it for you. You don't have to display it.
Speaker 1: You can display whatever the hell you want. Apparently you could.
Speaker 2: You could print out a transcript of this podcast and
Speaker 2: then frame it and display that I want for you.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say one hundred and fifty buy now
Speaker 2: price of a twenty twenty five pair of Bryce Eldridge
Speaker 2: autographed batting gloves. Oh, Bryce Eldridge, I thought you said,
Speaker 2: Bryce elder and what the two of them really should do?
Speaker 3: Get Outldridge. There's some prospect she in there, and that
Speaker 3: usually like is from his rookie year as he stole
Speaker 3: a rookie technically that's my first season.
Speaker 1: I'm going three fifty.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's too much. That the batting gloves one seventy five.
Speaker 1: Seventy years did you say? Twenty twenty five? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so it's not mine released twenty three five autographed batting gloves.
Speaker 1: What did Jeff say? He said, one seventy five. That's
Speaker 1: so expensive.
Speaker 2: The funny thing is that as the poorest member of
Speaker 2: this group, all of the prices are too expensive.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, they're all, yeah, they're all no,
Speaker 1: they're all insane. But I can't even I uh, one
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 2: It doesn't help that I'm reading Wadhouse right now, so
Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, what would what would Bertie Booster.
Speaker 1: Pay for this? All right? Last auction?
Speaker 2: It is a buy now price and a Los Angeles
Speaker 2: mystery Los Angeles Angels mystery game used or team issued
Speaker 2: broken bat, so the sandular theory about broken bats applying here.
Speaker 1: Hard to display, the mystery being we don't know who
Speaker 1: You don't know who is it.
Speaker 3: They know they won't tell you.
Speaker 2: We don't know who signed it. Is sure that once
Speaker 2: you open it up, it will tell you this player
Speaker 2: broke this authenticated and fouling off this pitch, But you
Speaker 2: don't get to know.
Speaker 1: Is it? You know?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: Could it be?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Was it Travis Darno? Was it Nolan Seanwell, yeah.
Speaker 2: You're lucky like you. That's a seventy.
Speaker 1: Outcome? Gustavo Campo? Was it Adam Braisier?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh? Was this bat mechaled by the Mechler? I have
Speaker 1: no idea. Oh I thought it said the year.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I did not.
Speaker 3: This is so this is a buy now it could
Speaker 3: be could be stay then?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think the mystery I think tends to be under
Speaker 1: yeah bucks yeah, mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Five and I'm gonna go seventy five. I think this
Speaker 2: is the low one mystery. Bad mystery ones always go low.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I thought one twenty five was fairly
Speaker 1: low for it. Yeah all right.
Speaker 2: Last two are specific websites. You're gonna love these. Uh,
Speaker 2: the Lena Blackburn Original Baseball Rubbing Mud Professional size. You
Speaker 2: get four pounds of rubbing mud. How much do you
Speaker 2: think four pounds of rubbing mud cup? First of all,
Speaker 2: you have to decide how much volume just four pounds rubber.
Speaker 1: More than dirty?
Speaker 2: How many baseballs could you rub with four pounds of
Speaker 2: my rubbing mud?
Speaker 1: Is I think this is an existential question. Is not
Speaker 1: worth more than dirt?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna like, can you just each other very easily?
Speaker 2: Can you?
Speaker 1: Can you play the jar?
Speaker 3: You're just in a jar so you can put it
Speaker 3: on a shell.
Speaker 1: I assume that this is not for four pounds in
Speaker 1: a jar, Jeff, I think this has got to be
Speaker 1: in a tub.
Speaker 2: I mean, fairly, it's been how much water content is
Speaker 2: in the mud really, like if it's real wet mundy.
Speaker 1: These are the real questions. At what point does dirt
Speaker 1: become mud? That's it?
Speaker 3: I mean a gallon of milk is like four pounds,
Speaker 3: isn't it sixty four pounces?
Speaker 1: I do, I do not.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you get milk in a jar? Do you get
Speaker 1: a gallon of milk?
Speaker 3: And you're just saying that it could be about the
Speaker 3: same patrick gallon.
Speaker 2: Somebody has to carry that milk.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad it can circle back to that anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking, actually the exact same price on it.
Speaker 1: You can say the same price. You're allowed.
Speaker 3: Four pounds of you can say fifty one if you want.
Speaker 3: I think it's we're doing very round numbers here.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna say seventy five dollars. Okay, somehow
Speaker 1: I heard them.
Speaker 3: I'm high in the dirt.
Speaker 2: Here we go. All right, this is the final exam
Speaker 2: of our dirt focus quiz. Yeah great, this is dirt
Speaker 2: edge coffee right classic infield mix.
Speaker 1: It's a super sack. It is two thousand pounds of dirt.
Speaker 1: What how much do you want to pay for two?
Speaker 3: You can't display that much dirt, I'm so I just
Speaker 3: gotta say, like, how, like, how super is this sack
Speaker 3: that it gets a ton of dirt?
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a jar? What if it was a super
Speaker 1: jar of dirt?
Speaker 2: Split it up in a couple sacks?
Speaker 3: How would you even?
Speaker 1: What is the point?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I know a forekleft?
Speaker 2: Like what is that?
Speaker 3: How do you open that? What do you mean you
Speaker 3: cut it open? A top of dirt just pourts out.
Speaker 3: I feel like people die on the beach when that happens,
Speaker 3: right if you try to.
Speaker 2: Do All I know is that my son would love
Speaker 2: to have a two thousand dirt This is not game US,
Speaker 2: it's before.
Speaker 3: You use the game. I assume the pregame dirt.
Speaker 2: Is the purest dirt you can get untouched. I'm sullied.
Speaker 3: But how how is this produced? If they produced this
Speaker 3: or they just they get up from somewhere? Where does
Speaker 3: this is a good question? Where column idea? Where does
Speaker 3: the nfield dirt come from?
Speaker 2: Okay, enough, put just a sprinkle of the rubbing mud
Speaker 2: in it, flavor?
Speaker 1: Hold on what it is? The difference between to eat
Speaker 1: up dirt and producing dirt? Isn't that how?
Speaker 2: I assume some sifting is involved. We have to be refined.
Speaker 1: You can just still dig it up. I mean, like
Speaker 1: you gotta make sure it's gonna be the right dirt.
Speaker 1: You can't just get clay.
Speaker 2: You can't just like go in the bag. You think
Speaker 2: your dirt is good enough to be infield dirt, don't.
Speaker 1: What are they putting nutrients into it?
Speaker 2: Well, they're selecting a certain quality of the color.
Speaker 1: And where does that come from the same place where
Speaker 1: the river is, where the mud comes from. That makes
Speaker 1: the mud so specially getting Lena Blackburn dirt. They're trying
Speaker 1: to make their own.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're I'm sure they like we have the
Speaker 2: best dirt like this is we It's like it's like
Speaker 2: when like the old commercial like that, we've we've locally sourced.
Speaker 1: These beans of dirt.
Speaker 3: Last you did get multiple dirt orders during according to
Speaker 3: when I have to pay shipping?
Speaker 1: Important question? Do I have to pay shipping?
Speaker 3: Was not in the price? Like this price?
Speaker 1: We should probably put a number on this.
Speaker 3: I don't even know, no idea, no idea, where to begin.
Speaker 2: Is dirt a dollar a pound? I don't think it is.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, God, I'll go first. I'll fall
Speaker 2: on the sword here and go first. I think I
Speaker 2: have a ton of dirt. It's going to set you back,
Speaker 2: like this is good dirt. Though it's good dirt, is
Speaker 2: in a dirt dirt or so you are paying for
Speaker 2: it to be good dirt. I'm going to say that
Speaker 2: this costs.
Speaker 1: Got any number? I say?
Speaker 3: Nothing feels right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to say for a ton of dirt,
Speaker 2: fills dollars for a ton of.
Speaker 3: Dirt I was thinking. I was thinking fifteen hundreds. I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna stick with that. It's expensive dirt. Like I think, Look,
Speaker 3: they're only buying there's only one place that makes this dirt.
Speaker 3: There no competition for the dirt. I feel like they
Speaker 3: can charge whatever they want. They need the dirt for
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 1: Look, it's dirt edge, like you're saying. If I say
Speaker 1: a thousand, you're saying, that's that's fifty. I couldn't go.
Speaker 1: I went over a pound of dirt. It's good dirt
Speaker 1: that on it feels low fifty fifty cents.
Speaker 3: Aren't just said what fifteen?
Speaker 1: You can go? Get it now? All right? What you're saying,
Speaker 1: I can't go?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're saying my dirt is garbage? Yeah? Maybe nine. I'm
Speaker 1: in your head. You're completely in my I think it's
Speaker 1: very boy sides and you're coming out in the top.
Speaker 1: I think it's very funny that I went over on
Speaker 1: on like eleven of the twelve.
Speaker 2: I might lose just because.
Speaker 3: Who knows that the dirt?
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so I'm gonna reveal the answers and
Speaker 2: we're gonna find out what happened.
Speaker 1: That is one hell of a sack. They didn't all right,
Speaker 1: Uh okay, so.
Speaker 2: Apparently the price of he doesn't does he have the
Speaker 2: actual I guess there's a link, but I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: go off of calculating. Uh So the game used dirt
Speaker 2: Jar Bundle from the Dodgers. It was one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy five dollars Craig. Craig is the closest, but one hundred.
Speaker 2: I was one hundred and twenty five. Jeff was six
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 3: I'm in trouble the dirt?
Speaker 1: How much was it? The actual price it was was, yeah,
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five. And what I was the closest.
Speaker 2: You were the closest because you said seventy five and
Speaker 2: I said three hundred, oh, three hundred, okay, yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: The next one is the Andre Dawson autographed bat, and
Speaker 2: it seems like I have to do the math here.
Speaker 2: The price of that was two hundred and thirty dollars,
Speaker 2: so Jeff was the closest on that one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2: Craig's one hundred ninety five off. I was three hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy off.
Speaker 1: All right. Next one is the.
Speaker 2: One Soto danger dirt displaying. This one was a one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty, so I was closest with seven. I
Speaker 2: was said two hundred, so I was seventy off. Craig
Speaker 2: was eighty off, Jeff was.
Speaker 1: On and twenty off.
Speaker 2: The Washington Nationals game used lineup card is one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars Jesus Christ. So I was closest.
Speaker 1: I have five off too much, that's gonna And Craig
Speaker 1: was one hundred and forty five off.
Speaker 3: Don't worry, we shall have the dirt to go.
Speaker 2: Craig Joe Adela's autographed bat was one hundred and ninety
Speaker 2: so Craig Jeff was only ten off. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: closest guest of anyone. Craig was thirty five off. I
Speaker 2: was sixty off. Next, the Julio Rodriguez signed Funko Pop
Speaker 2: was two hundred and seventy eighty dollars, so I was
Speaker 2: high man on that.
Speaker 1: I was closest.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The placard, the autograph placard for Mike Castrimski with one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars, So it was close.
Speaker 1: On that one. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not even those placards.
Speaker 2: It was with one hundred and fifty dollars signa Yeah.
Speaker 2: The autographed helmet by Greg's Gregor at Planko was three
Speaker 2: hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So again I was closest on that one. The
Speaker 1: Bryce Eldridge batting gloves were five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: No, five hundred dollars, So again I was closest by
Speaker 2: being the most expector. I finally my strategy finally caught up,
Speaker 2: finally caught up, although not you know, I went low
Speaker 2: on the mystery game used bat and that was a
Speaker 2: mistake because it was three hundred dollars. So the mystery
Speaker 2: used broken back.
Speaker 1: It's the angels, it's the angels.
Speaker 3: You think you're getting Mike Trout, You're not getting Mike Trout.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the baseball rubbing mud. We were all pretty close.
Speaker 2: It was one hundred bucks for a four pound bucks,
Speaker 2: so Craig was closest and uh for twenty five and
Speaker 2: Jeff and I were with fifty off and finally, yeah,
Speaker 2: the infield mix. The infield mix h is four hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy eight dollars. So I was off by twenty two,
Speaker 2: good Craig and Craig was off by twenty two.
Speaker 3: And why don't we all have our own baseball field?
Speaker 2: I guess, Yeah, that's what I'm wondering, because I'm guessing
Speaker 2: the shipping costs did not get to pack it anyway.
Speaker 2: So our final score is Jeff was a total of
Speaker 2: three seven dollars off Craig was a total of two
Speaker 2: and twelve dollars off and I was one thousand.
Speaker 1: Four and fifty two dollars.
Speaker 3: It really cost me there.
Speaker 2: The dirt, the dirt.
Speaker 3: The dirt was the decide are Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was I was in last place? I miss no, you
Speaker 1: were sucking? Wasn't last? Yeah? Oh because of the dirt
Speaker 1: went on the dirt?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went too high.
Speaker 1: On the dirt. Yeah. Wow, honestly something about dirt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: phenomenal game age.
Speaker 2: I'm now going to go google what is dirt?
Speaker 1: How can I produce it? What is dirt?
Speaker 2: May of any unclean substance on a surface or loose
Speaker 2: to earthy matter.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go buy that game. Use Broken Bat
Speaker 3: to prove a very important point to everyone that you
Speaker 3: shouldn't spend three hundred dollars on a game used angels,
Speaker 3: random angels when.
Speaker 2: You could you could buy two bats and then they
Speaker 2: have more than an entire ton.
Speaker 3: I can just get a Joe Adell autographed bat for
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars less than that. Who also plays with
Speaker 3: unbroken Unbroken?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be above median in terms of
Speaker 1: like guys you want oh yeah, well about for trout
Speaker 1: Dak metto yeah, yeah, and then.
Speaker 2: It's Anthony random would be very funny.
Speaker 3: It would be very funny because you don't know what
Speaker 3: circumstances he broke it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not game us thought, all right, well, thank you agent,
Speaker 1: I mean phenomenal choice. By the way, just finding the
Speaker 1: super sack of dirt, I mean, holy shit, really well done.
Speaker 1: Thank you to Aja, Thank you to you both for
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