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You can find it at Great 10 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:11,599 Adventures dot info or wherever you get your podcasts from. 11 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:17,239 But now, from March's first nineteen fifty here is the 12 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,879 somewhat long winded tititle New facts about a twenty six 13 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,079 year frame. 14 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: Up a big story. 15 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:35,079 Speaker 3: Just a second? 16 00:01:35,239 --> 00:01:36,719 Speaker 2: How about a faintment before they lock up? 17 00:01:37,239 --> 00:01:40,239 Speaker 4: Okay, I'll tell you the whole suit, but you won't 18 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,519 put it. I'm guilty. I'm guilty because I'm nobody. I'm 19 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:46,760 guilty because somebody wanted to get somewhere. In order to 20 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:48,760 get there, he'd put his feet right in my face, 21 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:50,840 stepped on me, sent me up for life to get 22 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,000 where he wants to get here. 23 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,519 Speaker 5: I'd like to see your printing. 24 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 6: Freedom of Repress, Detroit, Michigan. 25 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,759 Speaker 2: From the pages of the Detroit Free Press comes the 26 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,199 story of a frame up so cold, so calculating, so 27 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:27,879 perfect that it took twenty six years to explode it Detroit, Michigan. 28 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,759 Speaker 7: The story hasn't actually happened, Swelph Girl's story as he listed. 29 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: It's a dream writing assignment, Ralph gall of the Detroit 30 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:53,840 Free Press, a six month job of digging into the 31 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:59,159 unsolved times of Michigan. And you've written a thousand years 32 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:03,120 a riddle of the bicycle, that one, all the special 33 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:07,400 Karns interest in the beings, the case of the Seven Hands. 34 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,360 This one brought a well deserved promotion to a cop 35 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:15,039 on the feet and the others all good, honest story, 36 00:03:16,039 --> 00:03:19,120 and with the public clamoring for more, it kept digging 37 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:23,400 in and then out of the mague. In the yellow 38 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:28,560 pages of its case twenty five years old, three thing pictures. 39 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:31,960 First the name the case of. 40 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,039 Speaker 8: The Picnic Murder. 41 00:03:33,199 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: Second the byeline by Teddy Larkin. Eddy Larkin, now dead 42 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,159 died at thirty one was one of the best reporters 43 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:45,199 on the paper. From an old friend, one of the 44 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:50,159 very best. His byline on a story meant something brow. 45 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:54,879 And three. The third thing that hit June was fast 46 00:03:55,759 --> 00:03:59,240 a fourth of July picnic calibrations twenty five years ago 47 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,520 in sils In Gardens just outside Detroit. 48 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:05,159 Speaker 3: Cheese, cheese, cheese? 49 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: Is that automated chee? 50 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,719 Speaker 3: I thought, well, he was humming. You know how he 51 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:10,719 is about chee. 52 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 5: They had to work. 53 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: Do you think him holiday of the year they take 54 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:14,759 time off on that. 55 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: Feelings what you're going about? You know why they're working? 56 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 5: Sure? 57 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 7: I know, I honestly wouldn't mind waiting the extra month. 58 00:04:22,399 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: To get married. 59 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 3: They just see us once on a Sunday off and 60 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:29,120 a double eggs? Did you bring the pickles? 61 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: What do you think? This is? What's the picnic? 62 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: And No? 63 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:45,199 Speaker 2: The first girl Fee was dead instantly. The second girl 64 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,439 aDNA a terrible pain and the shoulder a bullet and 65 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,720 better and a memory that will live with her forever. 66 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:54,199 Speaker 9: He was big. 67 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,319 Speaker 10: They had some kind of a bag over his shoulder. 68 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: He came up to me close. 69 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 9: He took out the company. No, some like chloroform sens. 70 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,600 Then I don't remember. I don't remember. 71 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,399 Speaker 2: A posse of over five hundred men come the area 72 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:23,920 of Sylvant guns and comb the downtown flop house looking 73 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:28,920 for a man six feet tall, dark, dirty with a shoulder, bags, 74 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:31,959 guns and maybe still the places of the cotton and 75 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:37,199 the Chloro farmy views. There was one suspect, Tony Stanley. 76 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:41,279 Tom Venton, local policeman packed him up. 77 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 5: What do you mean? What was I doing? I told 78 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,199 you what I was doing. Office. 79 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 4: They were pouring drinks, free drinks all along Michigan Avenue, 80 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,199 Fourth of July celebration. 81 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 5: I was lapping up as fast as I could. What's 82 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:52,399 the matter, There's no Christ. 83 00:05:52,439 --> 00:05:54,399 Speaker 2: Let's go, Stanley. I don't want to hear anymore. 84 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,399 Speaker 5: You didn't ask any one of the bartender's office. I 85 00:05:56,439 --> 00:06:00,439 was an eight ten twelve joint past him. They wouldn't remember. 86 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: You got mud on your shoes, mud from Sylvan gardens 87 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,040 where you were trampling around before you did it, and 88 00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:06,680 you got blood on your lapel. How'd you get blood 89 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:07,240 on you lapels? 90 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 5: I came out of one of the bars the back 91 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:09,680 way into the yard. 92 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: There I was. 93 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,079 Speaker 4: I didn't know where I was going. It was dark 94 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,079 and muddy, and I tell it was a can there 95 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:16,439 no sardine can. 96 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 5: I fell on. I cut my maybe I wiped it 97 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:21,000 off on my leftel. I don't know how there's a 98 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:21,680 shoulder bag. 99 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: What you do with a gun, and where's the chloroform? 100 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:27,279 Come on on your freak walk. So you cut your 101 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,759 finger on a sadine canna that you have irod iron handy. 102 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,680 The rest was equally bizarre, equally fantastic, terrify. Then the 103 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,680 identification by the frightened girl. 104 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:43,759 Speaker 9: Get him all, please, get him all. 105 00:06:44,519 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 10: He's the one he did it. 106 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: Get him house. 107 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 5: He's the judgment of the court. 108 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 11: If you have any Stanley, you'll spend the rest of 109 00:06:58,439 --> 00:06:59,920 your natural life in prison. 110 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 5: Will you stand guilty of the crime of murder? 111 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: I wish to. 112 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 6: Rend my power to sentence you who pause up punish. 113 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: And the fourth fact about this case, the fourth unusual 114 00:07:21,079 --> 00:07:25,040 aspect stuck your Ralph gal feature right on as you 115 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,600 read the yellowed sheets. You said it tonight out of 116 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:29,839 the Fred Sandler. 117 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 8: Remember this case, Sander vaguely, vaguely, boy. They never disproved 118 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:37,360 this sardine can theory about the blood. 119 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 5: Lots of things not proved in lots of cases. 120 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: So the girl didn't testify at the trial. 121 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:45,439 Speaker 8: So they took at deposition somewhere else. They never found 122 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,600 the shoulder bag for the gun, or the cotton or 123 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:48,240 the chlorophorm. 124 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 6: So what so what? 125 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 5: How old is a chestnut? 126 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 8: Anyhow? 127 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: Twenty years more? 128 00:07:54,399 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 8: You know who wrote it, Ted Lockin? So who filed 129 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,279 this story where it's file? 130 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: Now? 131 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,199 Speaker 5: What are you talking about? 132 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,519 Speaker 8: I mean, what's an open and shut murder case doing 133 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,120 in the file of unsolved crime? 134 00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:06,959 Speaker 2: Who put it there? 135 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 8: Was it misfiled? 136 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:09,399 Speaker 2: Or was it? 137 00:08:10,279 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 8: And if you read this story, he never put it 138 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,800 down in so many words, but in every line, in 139 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:19,839 every sentence, almost dead Lockan implied, watch out, frame up. 140 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 5: Well maybe he'd been on this stuff too long. 141 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:23,399 Speaker 8: Not lock him. He was quite a guy, you know 142 00:08:23,519 --> 00:08:26,680 that he wouldn't imply frame up unless he meant frame up. 143 00:08:27,399 --> 00:08:28,959 Do you remember what Lockan used to say about the 144 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 guys in stir He supported a piece of poetry walk Whitman. 145 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:36,200 Remember I am one with these convicts and felonmus what 146 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,879 about that? Maybe it's good poetry rul here, but it 147 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:41,519 don't make a story. And if I proved this, God this, 148 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,159 you'll print a paper with this knock off for a week. Well, 149 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,600 just take the political side layoff features when you guys 150 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:49,919 get the quoting poetry. 151 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:58,879 Speaker 2: Brother, you drop it because orders are audis. But all 152 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:08,240 that weight Ted Larkin's quote and whopen, and then you're 153 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:08,799 a Ralph go. 154 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 8: I've been reading this series about unsolved crimes, and I 155 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,840 only got one question to ask. Would you laugh if 156 00:09:17,879 --> 00:09:21,039 a fellow said, twenty five years ago I was framed. 157 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:24,360 If you would tear this up, don't read no more. 158 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,799 But if you're a decent guy like Ted Larkin was, 159 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:28,720 he once. 160 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,639 Speaker 2: Worked on your paper, interviewed me. Then I got something 161 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,279 to say. My name is Tony Stanley. Just one of 162 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,919 those things that happened, one of the fantastic coincidences that 163 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,000 make up life. 164 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,799 Speaker 8: Well, Santa, Oh go ahead if you want to go ahead, 165 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,159 I don't care. All I want to do is go 166 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,360 up and see the guy at Markta. 167 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 5: I told you to go ahead. I am one with 168 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,480 the convicts and teller. 169 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: At first I thought i'd grow axis high. 170 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 7: It's maybe some of them little zenyus. But nothing grows 171 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,879 nothing bad. Sorry, I about to talk about your letter, 172 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:21,720 mister Stanley. Sometimes morning glories grow some six seven feet high. 173 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 5: You like them? 174 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 12: Yeah, they're nice, mister Carl. When a guy gets somebody 175 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,080 to believe in in just a little bit. You don't 176 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,679 want it to be over with right away. I had 177 00:10:34,799 --> 00:10:40,039 this experience ten times. Maybe somebody gets a little bit interesting. 178 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 13: You learn not to talk about it all at once, 179 00:10:44,039 --> 00:10:48,399 because it'll bust right out of you and disappear. Maybe 180 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:54,879 if you do it, if you don't understand sure, who 181 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,279 cares about a broken down bump from skid row? Who 182 00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:02,080 cares about the shoulder bag of the cotton of the 183 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:07,240 gun of sardine can? I'll tell you who cares. Former 184 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,559 Chief of Detectives Tom Vinton cares. 185 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 5: He cares a lot. He's the one who sent me 186 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,879 up famed, used my face to get where he was good. 187 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:17,840 Do you know that scum? 188 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 14: You remember the man of Tom. You remember the coup 189 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:25,519 on the feet Tom. Do you remember he got a conviction? 190 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:31,039 Then you remember he got another sage invented by now 191 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,840 and another and another. Skid Row bombs nameless people. He 192 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,039 became Lieutenant of Detectives, the big roundup of Michigan Avenue 193 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:46,759 dives and then Chief of Detectives Thomas jam Then Venton got. 194 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: Sent up for framing two guys caught at it. 195 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,879 Speaker 5: Right, that scum, he's right in this jail. 196 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 8: Now who was behind it? He did? The whole thing 197 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:55,440 is that it Vinton. 198 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 5: The only thing I ever smile about Raul. 199 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,759 Speaker 2: The only thing is. 200 00:12:02,799 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 5: That I know where that's come is. He's sitting in 201 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:11,679 there a trust the yard. See write in there, solitary 202 00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:15,360 for the rest of his natural life. 203 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:30,879 Speaker 2: You got five minutes. Don't get too close to him. Thanks. 204 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 5: Then I told him, what's that along? 205 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: Don't come near me. I'm Ralph gall Of, a fleet 206 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,600 press reporter. I said, I don't want to say anybody. 207 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,279 I never want to say. Nobody let me alone. I'll 208 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:49,639 come here me. 209 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,799 Speaker 8: I'm not going to touch you. 210 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: I wouldn't touch you. 211 00:12:53,919 --> 00:12:54,159 Speaker 15: Don't know. 212 00:12:55,519 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: Nobody knows. I think because you solitary, because you got 213 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:03,399 barsness tell me. Yeah, They just say I look addressed 214 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:06,039 my neck. Got me with a spoon one of the trustes. 215 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,720 Did you say, still get you? That'll kill me? He'll 216 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:12,960 kill me. 217 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 5: I know it. 218 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,759 Speaker 2: I played with the ward and I could call him 219 00:13:15,759 --> 00:13:16,120 abused me. 220 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,759 Speaker 8: I told him, Sam, you framed a lot of guys. 221 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:21,399 Didn't invent him. You got to be chief stepping on 222 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,879 a lot of people's faces, didn't you? What about Tony Stanley? 223 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:28,480 It's what about the servant gardens killing. 224 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 15: If that's all I need to talk, just to say, 225 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:35,879 if that's all I need, then it would get around. 226 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: And I said it, but I framed the guy, and 227 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:39,639 that I said. 228 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:41,919 Speaker 15: I get it just once. And you know what they'll 229 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,639 do that movie with me exqueezed me. What they did 230 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,519 before would like nothing if they heard I told him 231 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,440 just one case and the women make me. 232 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: Tell them all just get out of here. And then Nahara. 233 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,039 In the incredible pole Less of a completely corrupt human being, 234 00:14:04,159 --> 00:14:09,600 one simple fact emerges. Tony Stanley was framed twenty five 235 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:13,080 years ago. Did you feel the phrase of Walt Whitman's 236 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,919 as never before, I am one with the convicts and felons. 237 00:14:19,639 --> 00:14:22,519 Now prove it, God, prove you mean. 238 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,919 Speaker 11: This is Sy Harris returning into your narrator and the 239 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,720 big story of Ralph God as he lived it and 240 00:14:58,879 --> 00:15:00,279 wrote it you. 241 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: Ralph gaw Pature, writer for the Detroit Prey Press, under 242 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,519 the biggest question You've had in your reporter's life, how 243 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:14,480 to reopen a case twenty five years dead? You begin 244 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:18,799 at Detroit Police headquarters. The mugging shots routine pictures taken 245 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:24,639 the history of the criminal the psychologist report, all yellowed pray, 246 00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:29,519 all very unsubstantial. That's of paper. It'surge. 247 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:29,879 Speaker 5: Look at this. 248 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 8: No previous arrests, no previous record, not even a minor 249 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:35,240 narcotics wrap. 250 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 6: Look. 251 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:39,639 Speaker 5: One of the nicest murderers I ever met, never made 252 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:43,000 a single wrong move, not even one till the day 253 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:43,559 blew up. 254 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 8: His family, killed his wife and six kids. Oh, you're 255 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,480 informed today. Who's what I don't get? No bag was 256 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:54,080 ever found, no gun. The girl testified. The murderer was 257 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,279 six feet tall. Stanley's no better than five six, maybe 258 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,399 five to seven. And listen to this part of the 259 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,080 psychologist report. Criminal tendency is dubious. 260 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: That's upside. 261 00:16:05,159 --> 00:16:09,919 Speaker 8: Collegeous, brother, You go on up to Marquette someday, give 262 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,919 some of them intelligence tests and stuff to the guys 263 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,320 and sell blocked. They'll knock over most of them professors anytime. 264 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:18,399 Speaker 5: Don't tell me you believe that stuff. 265 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:25,919 Speaker 2: Where do you go to find corroboration on a twenty 266 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,360 five year old crime, Well, skid rolled and mes. You're 267 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,799 gonna have an your dives. Who would remember? Oh maybe 268 00:16:34,039 --> 00:16:37,879 somebody would. The old guy who's been selling paper for 269 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,440 thirty seven years with the corner. 270 00:16:39,919 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 16: He remembers Stanley, he't he the guy went over to Africa. 271 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:51,679 Call that other guy, Remember mister Stanley, Doctor Livingston, what 272 00:16:51,799 --> 00:16:52,399 do you do now? 273 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:53,279 Speaker 3: Get him? 274 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 5: Sell flawed? 275 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: The mission of the Friendly as old as Detroit's waterfront, 276 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:06,720 almost with characters that go at the place there for decades. 277 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:10,839 But the organist doesn't remember, and the guy who glasses 278 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,799 the plate around doesn't remember, and the man who stands 279 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,599 up and speaks of the brotherhood of derelicts. But one does, 280 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,240 incredibly one does. One who steps off from the platform, 281 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:29,160 gets his full of soup. He talks, yeah, yeah, him 282 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,480 and me like the same thing. 283 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:31,319 Speaker 5: Flowers. 284 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 10: Saddest little guy in the whole world, framed heat like 285 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:39,559 a picture frame, stung up on a wall. 286 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 5: Saddest little guy in the world. How do I know? 287 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 9: I know? 288 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:48,079 Speaker 13: Prove it? 289 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,839 Speaker 5: Prove that a dead guy's dead. He's dead. That's all. 290 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: Nothing in a series of nothing, nothing and nothing compounded 291 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:10,640 in Pontiac nearby, whether the trial was held because Sylvan 292 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,640 Gardens is in Rockland County, you get the compounding of nothing. 293 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,319 Speaker 5: Just a minute, young man, one question at a time. 294 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 16: The judge, Well, he died eleven years ago, heart attacks, 295 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:24,000 a prosecuting attorney. 296 00:18:24,079 --> 00:18:24,839 Speaker 2: That was butt them. 297 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 5: He was a major in the infantry. 298 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:30,839 Speaker 2: Died at Bottle Canal. What about the jurors. Jurors, you 299 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,440 can search all over America, spent a nice fifty years. 300 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:41,519 You might find one. I doubt that, But miraculously, in 301 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,119 only six months you actually find one. During number seven, 302 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:47,359 you see I. 303 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 10: Saved You know, maybe I shaved ysh did which long ago? 304 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:57,079 Ish Shandy. It's funny you can't remember his saying you 305 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,960 send a man up at the rest of his life. 306 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,960 Can't remember ze Oh, wasn't deary sheriff? There is something 307 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,400 about a sheriff jumping. 308 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 8: You don't remember what. 309 00:19:12,079 --> 00:19:12,559 Speaker 5: Sheriff is. 310 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:15,519 Speaker 3: My father, I don't mind speaking of it, he said. 311 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,279 I was there at time he died. He said, Tony Standley. 312 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: Never had a chance. 313 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:19,839 Speaker 14: Your father. 314 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 17: I mean, you don't mind if you saying he took 315 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,559 his own life. I think he did it because of 316 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,200 what he was made to do about Tony Stanley. He said, 317 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:29,599 just before he died, that poor little guy never had 318 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,440 a chance. Straying from the word, go Tom Vinton's work. 319 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,279 Speaker 2: Now the blood begins pounding within you. The first real 320 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,680 basis for a reversal, something tangible. I'm not slipping through 321 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,200 your fingers. A deposition from the daughter of the sheriff 322 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,279 who killed himself because of the Stanley case. Get the procedings, 323 00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:59,200 get the transfers. You get them, and it's worse. It's 324 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,000 worse than if you're from nothing, because what. 325 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:04,559 Speaker 8: Do you mean they've never been transcribed. They must have 326 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:06,680 been transcribed sometime somewhere, that's. 327 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:07,559 Speaker 2: Mister, that's all I know. 328 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 5: Those notes in the handwriting the court Stentel they never 329 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,319 would transcribed. 330 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 3: And that system he used was his. 331 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 2: Own private system one. 332 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 5: It ain't a soul alive that I ever heard of 333 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:15,880 to make sense of it? 334 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 3: On what's impossible? 335 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,519 Speaker 5: Osteno's notes can be read? 336 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,279 Speaker 3: Well, you'll try it, mister, Six other people tried it. 337 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:22,359 You know how part I got. 338 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,279 Speaker 11: I have studied the notes, mister gall and they can 339 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:39,440 be transcribed. Guess will take roughly yere six months. The costs, hell, 340 00:20:39,519 --> 00:20:41,440 there would be fifteen hundred. 341 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,039 Speaker 2: Dollars be too much? 342 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 3: Are you kidding? 343 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 2: Thought of that? 344 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 5: I couldn't help you. 345 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 8: But is there anything in there? Can you tell me 346 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,599 anything about the hearings at all? 347 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:51,599 Speaker 11: And I spent the time on one section that dealing 348 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,440 with the witness and the persil. And then on the 349 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:57,319 basis of my difficulty with this section, I made my 350 00:20:57,519 --> 00:21:01,119 estimate there is incident the bill fifty dollars. 351 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 8: Can you give me her address? 352 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 5: At least it's cold. 353 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,319 Speaker 18: Handle the bill. 354 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: One slim hope A girl, Edna Purcell is her name. 355 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:17,839 It's still the same if she's still in Detroit. Once 356 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:23,119 you remember, where can you find that? You've got this farm? 357 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,880 So you'll keep going In the city directory from nineteen 358 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,759 twenty nine. 359 00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:36,079 Speaker 8: You learn Edina Purcell married Henry Stamper June seventh, twelve 360 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:36,920 sixty two. 361 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 2: Yuclet Avenue. 362 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 3: Do you want to repeat that, please, mister dolf. 363 00:21:51,799 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 8: I just want to know, Missus Stamper, if you can 364 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:56,720 remember anything at all about an incident twenty six years ago. 365 00:21:57,279 --> 00:21:58,039 Speaker 2: The fourth of July. 366 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 19: Mister gall I started teaching school about old twenty years ago, 367 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,240 and one of the teachers at the school was very 368 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,640 kind to me. He was a slightly older man, very understanding. 369 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:18,880 Missus Stanton. We went around together seven years before he 370 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,759 asked me to marry him. I never told him anything. 371 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,279 I can't I never talked about it to anyone. And 372 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,079 then Ellen was born, she's getting out of college this month, 373 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:38,920 and Jimmy and Donald. I got white children, my husband, 374 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:42,640 this house. I do the usual things that a woman does, 375 00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:46,960 and I paint a little What did you want me 376 00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:47,440 to say? 377 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:52,759 Speaker 5: What do you want? Mister God, you're here, I'll come. 378 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,279 Speaker 2: It's the moment in the place. If you don't asked, 379 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,400 you don't pursue the line you've been forstowing for over 380 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,920 the years. Why because here is the girl of self, 381 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,720 now a woman. The horror is behind her, the life 382 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:14,559 is the of the structure of family. Can you upset 383 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:18,160 all this by bringing up the past? Now you must 384 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,359 ask yourself whether the innocence of one man is more 385 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,880 urgent in the lives of five people. It's okay, missus stamper, 386 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,039 not important, not that important. 387 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 3: Mister g Who is important? Which one of us? Which 388 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,319 one of us is or isn't? Oh, don't think I 389 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,200 don't appreciate that you didn't ask me. 390 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 2: I want to talk. 391 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 3: All these years, I wonder did I learn myself in 392 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,200 the moment to dest it to the frame up of 393 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:56,319 an innocent mind? Did I identify the girl man. 394 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:58,599 Speaker 2: I could go? 395 00:23:58,799 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 5: I did? 396 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 3: If you'll just let me get my coat and leave 397 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:08,079 a note for mister Stanley. I'll be breaded with you. 398 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 5: Now. 399 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 6: We read you that telegram from Ralph Gaul of the 400 00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:26,480 Detroit Free Press. 401 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,279 Speaker 8: Cooperation of EDNA, plus my series of big stories and 402 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,240 the recommendation of Circuit Bench of Rockland County all led 403 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,200 the Governor of Michigan to issue a commutation of Stanley's sentence. 404 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:39,759 Stanley is a useful citizen today, earning decent living and 405 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,039 large factory in Detroit Tom Vinton, although never directly connected 406 00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:47,359 with crime of framing, Stanley will surely die a prisoner 407 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,759 and Marquet prisons. 408 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,079 Speaker 20: In order to protect the names of people actually involved. 409 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,319 And I thought that big story, the names of all 410 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,880 characters and Land the patient were changed with the sets 411 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:58,200 into the newspaper Reporter. This is the United States Armed 412 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,920 Forces Radio Service, the voice of information and education. 413 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Before we talk about anything else, let's go 414 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,640 ahead and get into the cast. And this episode stared 415 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,279 Nap as our hero, and he is a future Great 416 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:11,200 Detectives actor. He would star in Indictment as the assist 417 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:16,680 District Attorney during the late nineteen fifties. Also in the 418 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:22,519 cast Athena Lord Joan shay Bill Smith, Scott t Tennyson, 419 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:30,480 Walter Griza, Tom Heathey, and Humphrey Davis. This is a 420 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,720 fascinating story and I think to appreciate it you do 421 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:40,559 have to have the actual timeline. This particular case, the 422 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:47,599 murder occurred in nineteen seventeen and our intrepid reporter investigated 423 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,200 it in nineteen forty three, and you just had to 424 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,920 appreciate all of the barriers he faced based on how 425 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,000 the world had changed, all of the niche things about 426 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,119 the case, like oh yeah, this was never transcribed and 427 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,519 the court reporter did it. He's dead and it's indecipherable. 428 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,559 In this case, the name of the man who was 429 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,680 convicted on this evidence was Alan Livingston. They did find 430 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,599 what the witness who identified him, and she admitted she 431 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,680 could have been mistaken in her identification. And this is 432 00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:31,480 a quoting from these stories Behind the Big Story by 433 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,599 doctor Joe Webb, saying she only caught a glimpse of 434 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,400 the murderer. Police had stacked the lineup in nineteen seventeen 435 00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:42,200 to ensure the selection of one of two bombs in 436 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:45,640 the five person lineup. The witness said she felt pressured 437 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,400 to pick one. Now, some of the incidents that doctor 438 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,000 Webb notes lined up with the story. The sheriff did 439 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,680 commit suicide before the trial. The judge was killed in 440 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,839 an auto accident, which wasn't in the story. Detective did 441 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:05,279 go to prison for but it was for graft for 442 00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:08,880 a gambling ring. One thing that wasn't mentioned is that 443 00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:13,680 after a new trial was granted, the original prosecutor committed suicide. 444 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,039 I guess the only other observation I had on this 445 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:22,319 episode is I think that really put Goal in this 446 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:27,000 position that the prisoner felt like reaching out to him 447 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,000 was that he really believed that Goal was someone who 448 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,599 helped people. And indeed, some of the I think a 449 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:41,680 lot of the strength of the press was a belief 450 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,920 that at least some of them, specific ones, were on 451 00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:48,480 the sides of the angels, whether they were or not, 452 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,359 and that they cared about people. And I think that 453 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,200 that reputation is something that you don't really see a 454 00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:02,559 lot in modern journalists, which I think does affect our 455 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:05,880 view of the press and our ability to trust them. 456 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,480 One other note the stories behind the Big Stories note 457 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,160 that Goal not only worked in journalism, but he also 458 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:19,200 became a successful fiction writer and at one point wrote 459 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:24,480 for both the Green Hornet and the Lone Ranger at WXYZ, 460 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,599 which was also based in Detroit. Well, now it's time 461 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,880 to thank our Patreon supporter of the day, and I 462 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:36,039 want to go ahead and thank thank you to Bruce, 463 00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:39,759 Patreon supporter since March twenty twenty four, currently supporting the 464 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,480 podcast at the Shawmas level of portollers more per month. 465 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,680 That will do it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, 466 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:50,559 please follow us using your favorite podcast software and be 467 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,160 sure to rate and review the podcast wherever you download 468 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,519 it from. We'll be back next Tuesday with another episode 469 00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:59,119 of The Big Story. But join us back here tomorrow 470 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,960 for Broadways my beat, where. 471 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,279 Speaker 18: After all what to do not Disturb sign has been 472 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:06,160 hanging on the front of the door all day and 473 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:09,799 here it is almost midnight. So so a place like 474 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,680 this ran the room for three point fifty, pulled out 475 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,400 the old pills, leave the world to its own sorrow. 476 00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:19,680 The Savannah's getting quite a reputation for her. Oh this 477 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:23,720 is the room now, That's how I found her, right 478 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:25,720 there on the bed. I could tell it right away. 479 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,880 She wasn't a suicide. That bullet hole, no gun. She 480 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:33,119 took the room yesterday registered as Mary Smith. I keep 481 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,880 a straight face as long as the payment is made 482 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,440 in the dance. Even she didn't have luggage, so what 483 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:39,880 Quite a few of my friends have not a presentable 484 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,920 suitcase to their names. What about her visitors? This is 485 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,599 her home away from home. That's our philosophy. Here the Savannah. 486 00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,160 Why shouldn't she have visitors? After did she have her 487 00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:53,119 I don't know. People come and go, a regular little 488 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,519 world in itself, this Savannah. I remarked this to myself 489 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,079 often as I stand at the desk, like I was 490 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,920 looking at into a regular little world. That's why I 491 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,359 always don't say, mister Burgess, I'll take it from here. 492 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,279 Speaker 1: You'll be with us then in the meantime. Send your 493 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,680 comments to Box thirteen at Greatdetectives dot net, follow us 494 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,920 on Twitter, Radio Detectives, and check us out on Instagram, Instagram, 495 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,359 dot com, slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. This is 496 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,319 your host, Adam Graham signing off.