1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,839 Speaker 1: Gilayne Maxwell made a in person appearance today at court 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:12,000 where she was arraigned. As expected, she pleaded not guilty, 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,239 and the whole entire proceeding did not take very long 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,559 at all. I think I was on the phone call 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,600 for like thirteen and a half minutes. I called in 6 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:28,399 a couple minutes late, but the hearing had not started yet, 7 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:30,519 so I think I was on holes for a couple 8 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:34,320 of minutes, and then the hearing started and it was 9 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:41,280 very quick, very basic. Asked Gilainne Maxwell if she had 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,719 the indictment read to her, read over it with her lawyer, 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,159 and if she wanted the court to read it in 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,439 court again out loud. She waived that right, and then 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,439 obviously she pled not guilty. There was a little bit 14 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:03,880 of discussion about the time frame for the case moving forward, 15 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:10,400 and Judge Nathan basically said everyone should prepare for the 16 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,319 trial to go ahead as scheduled as of now. Now, 17 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:17,640 that doesn't mean she's not going to delay it, which 18 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,599 is very possible, and frankly I think at this point 19 00:01:21,719 --> 00:01:26,079 quite likely. Unfortunately, I just have one of those weird 20 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,560 feelings that this is going to be one of the 21 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,680 victories that Maxwell gets, one of the very few, and 22 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,200 this is going to get pushed back now. I hope 23 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,319 I'm wrong. I mean, certainly wouldn't be the first time 24 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:42,280 that I'm wrong, But it just seems like things are 25 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,640 lining up because it is a very complex case, right, 26 00:01:46,079 --> 00:01:50,480 a lot of different avenues that need to be explored, 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,239 and with all of those documents, I could see how 28 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,319 they could make an argument that the judge would buy 29 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,680 into noos. I'm hoping July twelfth is the date that 30 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:06,760 the trial starts. I think it's about time that this 31 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:09,120 whole thing gets over and done with. It's been going 32 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:13,400 on for decades now. These girls deserve to get in there, 33 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,000 face down the people that they're accusing, and then get 34 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:18,960 on with their lives, like any one of us would 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,840 want to do. And dragging it out prolonging it just 36 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,560 makes it that much more of a fiasco and a 37 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,240 burden for people who have been burdened frankly way too much. 38 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,240 So Judge Nathan is, you know, mulling it over. She 39 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,280 hasn't decided one way or another when the trial is 40 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,280 going to be. Well, I shouldn't say that July twelfth 41 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,680 is the date that's on the books as of now, 42 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:53,120 but according to her, it's still being mulled over if 43 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,479 it's going to be pushed back. So we'll have to 44 00:02:56,599 --> 00:02:59,439 stay on top of that and see what sort of 45 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,800 decision and Judge Nathan decides to come to when it 46 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,159 comes to the date of the trial. But there really 47 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,280 wasn't much else, you know, going on in that arraignment 48 00:03:11,719 --> 00:03:14,120 as far as on the phone call. Now, in the 49 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:18,439 article we're going to read from The Daily Beast and 50 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,360 Kate Bricklett, they go in a little bit of detail 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,080 about what happened at the actual courtroom and stuff like that. 52 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:28,199 Obviously I was just in on the call. I wasn't 53 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,520 at the actual courtroom. So let's jump into this article 54 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,599 from the Daily Beast and let's see what Kate Bricklett 55 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:43,280 and Justin Rorlick have to say. Headline, Gilaine Maxwell waived 56 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:46,360 at her sister in court as she pleaded not guilty 57 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:53,240 to sex trafficking charges. So I guess she gave the 58 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,719 old Cis a wave while she was in court, huh. 59 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,120 I've read some conflicting reports on that. Maybe it was 60 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,879 a friend, a blonde friend in the back that she 61 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,159 was waving at. I've read that as well. But like 62 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,960 I wasn't there either way, She waved to somebody in 63 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:13,439 the courtroom in a socially distanced pindrop quiet Manhattan Federal courtroom. 64 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:18,959 On Friday, Jeffrey Epstein's alleged madam, alleged co conspirator, alleged 65 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,879 all around scuzzbag, and fellow child abuse her Gilaine Maxwell, 66 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,879 pleaded not guilty to a pair of new sex trafficking 67 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,680 charges and waved to her sister, who watched from the gallery. 68 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:38,600 It must be like, ah, an odd scene in that courtroom. 69 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,560 Imagine somebody who has lived in opulence for as long 70 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,959 as Maxwell, somebody who has had everybody do everything for 71 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,439 her at the drop of a dime, like Maxwell, to 72 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,680 be put in a situation such as this where she's 73 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:56,680 on display basically, and that's been Make no mistake about it, folks, 74 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,360 when you're on trial, that's basically what you are. You're 75 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:04,839 on display. You might as well be in a zoo. 76 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:08,000 And that's just the way it goes. Right when you're 77 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,879 on trial and you're somebody famous, especially, all eyes are 78 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,040 on you, all eyes are on the trial, and this 79 00:05:17,079 --> 00:05:19,680 is no different. You add in the other elements, the 80 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:26,279 elements of power, the elements of different business magnates, all 81 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:29,680 of the other so called elites that are involved in 82 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,399 one way or the other with this. And then you 83 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,920 add in the most disgusting fact of all that children 84 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,480 were involved in being abused, and yeah, you're gonna have 85 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,759 some people who are pretty interested in seeing justice be dispersed. 86 00:05:48,879 --> 00:05:51,800 The arraignment marked the second time reporters caught a glimpse 87 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,360 of Maxwell, who slowly walked into court in her prison 88 00:05:55,439 --> 00:06:02,360 blues and white COVID mask. The prison blues the usual 89 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:08,560 outfit of the poor right now getting to have a 90 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,199 little bit of a run on one of the so 91 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:15,639 called elite, you know, the people who thought that this 92 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:19,959 system wasn't meant for them, the people who have skirted 93 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:22,439 the law for all of these years with weak ass 94 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:31,040 non prosecution agreements and sorry ass excuses for prosecutors and 95 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:37,959 in some instances law enforcement officers. So now that the 96 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,560 shoes on the other foot and the justice train has 97 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,759 finally left the station and caught up, well, how do 98 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:52,639 they fit? Gulane. Her dark hair was down and gray 99 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,439 roots were growing at the top. As soon as she 100 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:58,199 sat at the defense table, she took a long drink 101 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,319 out of a bottle of water. Well, you know, I 102 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,360 guess she's not going ball. That would have been the 103 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,720 first thing people were talking about. Right, Oh, Maxwell's ball. 104 00:07:07,879 --> 00:07:11,199 She's really looking rough. Oh she's frail. Well yeah, she's 105 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,040 fifty nine years old and she's in custody. I'm pretty 106 00:07:14,079 --> 00:07:18,160 sure she's gonna look frail again. Being in jail's not 107 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,680 supposed to be fun. And they're right. Maxwell's people are 108 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:23,639 right when they say this. I do not wish it 109 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:29,519 on my worst enemy. There's nothing funny or cool or 110 00:07:29,519 --> 00:07:33,600 anything about having to go to prison. And if you 111 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:36,759 don't know anybody who has ever been to prison, who 112 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:40,639 has ever done real time, don't worry. Very soon we're 113 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:43,120 gonna be talking to some people who have done real 114 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:47,120 time and they're going to tell you their stories about 115 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,680 how they were treated by the justice system. Have a 116 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,360 couple of my friends who have done a significant bid 117 00:07:56,839 --> 00:08:01,000 in one case pretty long time, and they're gonna come 118 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,600 on to that to my new podcast when we're talking 119 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,879 about the war on drugs, and they're gonna they're gonna 120 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:09,600 come correct and come clean about what prison is really 121 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,839 like when you don't have big dough and you'll see 122 00:08:12,839 --> 00:08:20,800 the stark difference, folks, reporters waited hours to spot Maxwell 123 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:23,360 and what was only a minute's long hearing. Yeah, like 124 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:26,360 I was saying, it was very short, very short, very 125 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:28,920 to the point. In fact, I listened to it in 126 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:32,279 my car. I had some errands to run, so I 127 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,320 had my laptop with me, thinking that I was going 128 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,399 to have to take notes maybe, but it was very short, 129 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,240 and honestly I didn't even didn't even need to take notes. 130 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:51,720 So it was nothing too crazy, nothing too wild. I mean, 131 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,919 the environment was pretty wild, I'm sure, with Maxwell being 132 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,279 there the first time, her family there, and even one 133 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:04,039 of an accusers showing up at court as well. We're 134 00:09:04,039 --> 00:09:07,240 gonna get to that in this article, I'm sure. Before 135 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:10,279 the arraignment began, a woman who appeared to be Gilaane, 136 00:09:10,279 --> 00:09:15,240 Maxwell's sister, Isabelle Maxwell, was whisked into the courtroom wearing 137 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,679 a black beret, tinted shades, mask and coat. She took 138 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:23,039 notes on a small notepad once she took her seat. Yeah, 139 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,120 I highly doubt she was taking notes. What kind of 140 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:29,360 notes could you possibly take from this arraignment? Doing some scribbling, 141 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,840 maybe drawing some stick figures? Are you playing Hangman over there? 142 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,000 So I don't know what kind of notes you could 143 00:09:38,039 --> 00:09:42,279 possibly cake? But okay, And I saw a picture. I 144 00:09:42,279 --> 00:09:44,639 think it was in the Daily Mail. I read an 145 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,480 article about this over at the Daily Mail, and I 146 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:49,320 believe that's where the picture was. But a picture of 147 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:53,879 Isabelle Maxwell just dressed up like, you know, like she's 148 00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:58,679 wearing a burka, almost everything completely covered, the all of it, 149 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:05,399 trying to slide under the are. Judge Allison Nathan asked 150 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,039 Maxwell if she read the indictment and if she had 151 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,399 time to review it with her attorney. Yes, your honor, 152 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:16,840 Maxwell replied softly. Her lawyer, Bobby Sternheim, then confirmed Maxwell 153 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:20,279 pleaded not guilty. So we got to hear Maxwell talk 154 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,080 just a couple of times. Then when she when when 155 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,639 she was asked if she read was read the indictment 156 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,200 with her attorney, Yes, your honor, And then you know, 157 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:35,559 she pleaded not guilty. And I believe she only spoke twice. 158 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,600 After a discussion about discovery timelines in the case, the 159 00:10:40,639 --> 00:10:44,519 hearing was over Maxwell, who appeared slim but not in 160 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,759 poor health as her lawyers have charged, looked to Isabelle 161 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,639 tapped be lower eye and waved before she was slowly 162 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,320 led away and of course she was. She's not in 163 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:58,039 the shape that her lawyers said she was in. Come on, 164 00:10:59,639 --> 00:11:03,279 that's a bunch of bs. They're under the microscope as well. 165 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:05,679 Do you think these guys are going to do anything 166 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,799 that's going to jeopardize not only their careers but their 167 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:15,360 freedom at this point? I bet you that the protocols 168 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:21,600 that are being being followed in this whole entire situation, 169 00:11:21,799 --> 00:11:25,919 as far as her health and everything, are way above board, 170 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,919 way above board. Like I said, I have news for you. 171 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,159 Nobody was checking in on my friend. Nobody cared about 172 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,039 him being on the main line general population in a 173 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,080 serious prison. Nobody gave a shit about that. But Maxwell, 174 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:43,879 you got, got the computer, three four ballot attempts, appeal, 175 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,559 got a whole a website set up for Yeah, and 176 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:54,840 she's being treated wrongly. Right. Meanwhile, Nathan told the courtroom 177 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,799 she was still mulling whether to a Jorne Maxwell's trial 178 00:11:57,879 --> 00:12:02,159 until next year, but instructed defense and prosecution for now 179 00:12:02,519 --> 00:12:06,960 to plan for the scheduled July trial date. And that's 180 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:09,840 what we're all going on, right, That's what I have 181 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,120 all of my plans based on. For sure. You know, 182 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,720 I'm flying in for the trial and everything that I 183 00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:21,039 have locked in is based on this date. If it 184 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,799 gets moved back, especially moved back into like next year, man, 185 00:12:25,039 --> 00:12:27,159 I'm gonna I doubt I'll be able to go in 186 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,840 for the whole month. Couple weeks for sure, but a 187 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:34,000 whole month next year, I just don't have that. Maybe, 188 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,159 you know, I won't say no, I'm not for I 189 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,399 can't for sure, but it's hard for me to make 190 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,960 that commitment all the way into next year considering the 191 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,519 world's opening back up and stuff like that. You know, 192 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,840 I'm gonna have other responsibilities soon as well. But no 193 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,799 matter what, even if it gets moved back, I'll be 194 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,519 flying in at least for two weeks for the end 195 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,559 portion of the case, sentencing and all of that stuff, 196 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,519 you know, if it gets moved back. As of now, 197 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,240 my plan is to go in for the whole month basically, 198 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:10,879 and go in from start to finish, and you know, 199 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:14,960 follow it from in the city on the ground, closer 200 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,639 to where the action is and so I don't have 201 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:24,799 to rely on anybody else. Also in the gallery were 202 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:28,399 lawyer Sigared McCauley and David Boyce, who represent more than 203 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:33,720 a dozen Epstein survivors. An accuser named Danielle Bensky sat 204 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,240 with them to see the proceeding, though she is not 205 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,039 a minor victim in the Maxwell case. After the arraignment, 206 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:43,559 Boys told reporters it's important for survivors to have the 207 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:47,600 opportunity to show the court how important this prosecution is 208 00:13:47,639 --> 00:13:50,279 to them. And I think that is a big deal, right, 209 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,759 It is important. I think that these girls that want 210 00:13:53,759 --> 00:13:56,759 to go and face Maxwell, even if they're not the 211 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:02,080 ones who are being taught about in the prosecution itself, 212 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:04,120 I think that they should have the right to do that. 213 00:14:04,759 --> 00:14:07,960 We've seen that at the Harvey Weinstein case, and I 214 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,519 don't think it should be any different here. You know, 215 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:15,200 these girls are making serious allegations against Elaine Maxwell, and 216 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:23,759 serious allegations deserve serious attention. So if these girls want 217 00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:27,440 to come and face the person that they're accusing, then 218 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:34,440 they should definitely be allowed to do that. Boys told 219 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,799 a Beast reporter that survivors of Epstein's abuse want to 220 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:41,120 see Maxwell's trial proceed as rapidly as it can, as 221 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,759 long as it's fair. Again, that's important to me too. 222 00:14:44,879 --> 00:14:47,480 I know a lot of people are, you know, in 223 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,639 tar and feather mode, and I really don't blame people 224 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,559 for being that bent out of shape about this case. 225 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:55,840 But for me, one of the main reasons I even 226 00:14:56,159 --> 00:14:58,799 got interested in this case was because of the two 227 00:14:58,879 --> 00:15:02,240 tier justice system and how I knew it was failing 228 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,480 us at every turn, and this case just amplified it 229 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,039 to a degree that we have not seen in a 230 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:15,720 very long time, maybe ever, folks. Honestly, so, I'm interested 231 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:19,000 in everybody getting a fair shake. I'm interested in everybody 232 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,519 getting time in front of the judge, getting time in 233 00:15:21,519 --> 00:15:24,759 front of a jury of their peers, and having a 234 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:29,159 real trial like a real free nation should do. And 235 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,279 that goes for everybody, not just Guilay Maxwell. I don't 236 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,960 care if you have two cents. You should be afforded 237 00:15:36,039 --> 00:15:41,120 the right to the best defense possible. But it always 238 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,720 comes back to the Fazuls, right. It always comes back 239 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,799 to those in power using that power one way or 240 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,679 the other to get the upper hand. And I'm not 241 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:57,320 talking about people that count their money, folks, like the 242 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,519 rest of us, when I talk about people with money, 243 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:02,639 we're not talking about people that count their money. I'm 244 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:04,919 not even talking about count their money with a money counter. 245 00:16:05,279 --> 00:16:08,120 I'm talking about people that have so much money and 246 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,360 so much weight they have to weigh that shit. They 247 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:13,639 don't count their money, They bundle it and weigh it 248 00:16:14,039 --> 00:16:19,679 like drug barons. And these are the people that are 249 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:23,480 crying right now about how bad conditions are, and just 250 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:26,519 say it. You can miss me with all of that bullshit. 251 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:31,240 I'm not from the suburbs. Have I never lived anywhere 252 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:34,440 where I was anywhere that could even be considered privileged. 253 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:38,120 I grew up in the inner city my whole entire life, 254 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:42,159 from the Bronx New York, to South Yonkers to smack 255 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:46,679 dab middle of East Las Vegas. So you can miss 256 00:16:46,679 --> 00:16:49,320 me with all that crying bs about how rough things 257 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,559 are for these people and how bad and Gelean Maxwell 258 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:59,360 has it, especially when I know people personally who have 259 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:03,320 really went through the system and have really been screwed. 260 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:09,960 They want the trial as quickly as possible. Boys said, 261 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:14,279 this case has gone on far too long. The length 262 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:17,880 of time this subject matter existed is now decades. I 263 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,920 think all of the survivors are anxious to have it finished. 264 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,880 And I think that's a very important point. This subject 265 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,119 matter is literally decades old, folks. This isn't some Johnny 266 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,279 come Lately. Oh where we're breaking it down in real 267 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:36,440 time as it happens. That's not a realm I'm ever 268 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:41,480 getting involved in. There was a bunch of evidence here, 269 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:44,160 a bunch of articles, things to dig into, evidence to 270 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,839 be found, people to hear, and people that came out 271 00:17:46,839 --> 00:17:53,480 and talked corroborated these stories. Decades, decades and decades of 272 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,119 people trying to stop epstein. You know, these survivors coming forward, 273 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,920 nobody listening to them, all the way back to the 274 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:07,240 nineties with the farmers. So yeah, it's been going on 275 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:11,200 way too long, and I definitely agree pushing the trial 276 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:16,680 is not a good idea. Marshalls told The Daily Beast 277 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:19,960 that Maxwell was brought in early Friday morning, before the 278 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,640 crowds of protesters arrived at the courthouse. By midday, throngs 279 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,559 of people outside waved banners Epstein is the worst kind 280 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:32,880 of virus, and one woman showed off her Virginia Roberts jacket. 281 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:35,480 Hey look, folks, if you're gonna go out there and 282 00:18:35,519 --> 00:18:40,160 you're gonna like protest or whatever, I'm all for protesting. 283 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,279 Peaceful protest is as ingrained in who we are as 284 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:51,319 Americans as you can get. But don't be stullnad. If 285 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,960 you go out there right, don't don't be an idiot. 286 00:18:56,079 --> 00:18:59,640 Plenty of those people running around right, no need for it. 287 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,000 Go out there, make your voice heard. Nice sign Epstein 288 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,039 is the worst kind of virus. I can get down 289 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:09,920 with some nice signs, some creative signs. But let this 290 00:19:10,039 --> 00:19:15,200 take its course, you know, don't don't be that guy, right, 291 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:17,920 make sure that you know if you're going down there, 292 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,279 you're not going down there with the purpose to interrupt 293 00:19:20,599 --> 00:19:23,480 the hearing or whatever. And I know most of the 294 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,920 people out there listening to this show and elsewhere would 295 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,400 never even think about doing that. But you know, there's 296 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,319 always a couple of wackies, right, you always, you know, 297 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,759 you always. Sometimes you'll buy a box of baseball cards 298 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:40,079 and you just get a pack that really really sucks. 299 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,960 And that's how it is with people. Sometimes people just suck. 300 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 But it seems like everybody was, you know, on their 301 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,960 best behavior and doing the right thing. And people should 302 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,720 go out there and protest, in my opinion, and I 303 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,079 in front of the Department of Justice too. And frankly, 304 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,440 if I lived in Florida, I might even think about 305 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,480 going down now doing some protesting out there, because if 306 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:05,720 you want to trace this back to the nexus and 307 00:20:05,799 --> 00:20:09,240 where it really got stinky real fast. Oh go no 308 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:16,559 further than Palm Beach, my friends. Maxwell's lawyer, David Oscar 309 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:22,960 Marcus told reporters that the British socialite, alleged co conspirator 310 00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:27,799 and fellow child abuser and definitely general all around scusbag 311 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,279 and bipedle serpent is hanging in there, and added all 312 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:35,920 we want is a fair fight. You know, David Oscar Marcus, 313 00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:38,720 I think you're getting more than a fair fight here. Bro. 314 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:44,079 You guys got like a you know, you're getting like 315 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,759 a twenty week camp here. Man, What do you mean 316 00:20:46,759 --> 00:20:53,119 you're not getting a fair fight? Do you think that 317 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,519 the judge should just, you know, bow down to all 318 00:20:55,559 --> 00:20:59,519 of your requests? And you haven't proved, there's been no 319 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,640 proof provided that any of your allegations as towards Maxwell's 320 00:21:05,319 --> 00:21:09,359 treatment are real or true. Because frankly, if somebody was 321 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,680 abusing her in there, I would speak up about it. 322 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,119 I wouldn't just turn the other cheek. I don't care 323 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,400 who is in prison, folks. You gotta understand me very 324 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,920 clearly when I say this, whoever you are in prison 325 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,680 for whatever the crime you have to be treated humanly. 326 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:34,440 We're not a society of barbarians. So if somebody was 327 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,519 abusing her in there, yeah, I'd want that person punished. 328 00:21:39,279 --> 00:21:43,039 But the whole narrative they tried to pitch about somebody 329 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:45,599 in there abusing her as just straight buff kiss was 330 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:51,559 from the jump. I knew that that was. It was BS. 331 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,359 Look put a name to it. They didn't name anybody 332 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,119 in their complaint. The second nobody was named, and it 333 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:03,400 was just very vague. I knew it was BS. Friday's 334 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,599 hearing marked the second time the public got a view 335 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,279 of Maxwell since her arrest. At her arraignment last July, 336 00:22:09,839 --> 00:22:14,759 the British socialite alleged co conspirator General All Around Scotsbag 337 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,599 shed tears when US District Judge Alison Nathan denied her 338 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:25,359 bell because she was a substantial flight risk. Ah. I 339 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:28,599 can't drum up any empathy for her. I'm sorry, I 340 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,920 just can't. You got away with this shit for decades, 341 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,839 part of that non prosecution agreement. Thought you were in 342 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,680 the clear, didn't You had your little, your little un 343 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,680 Tera Marr project going on, hanging out with all the stars, 344 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,880 being invited to Jeff Beso's little function as late as 345 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,200 twenty eighteen. By the way, and you thought that you 346 00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:56,319 were just going to walk away from this nose in 347 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,720 the air laughing at the rest of us, Well, guess 348 00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:03,839 what not. This time justice is catching up to you. 349 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,839 The wheels of justice in America they grind slowly, but 350 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:20,000 once you're in the grinder, it's grind time. Since then, 351 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,039 Maxwell's lawyers have pushed for her release from Brooklyn's Metropolitan 352 00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:27,480 Detention Center, where they claim she's withering to a shell 353 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:31,480 of her former self, forced to drink foul tapwater, and 354 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,160 was once allegedly manhandled by a guard. Literally, none of 355 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,319 that's true. And while I've never been in that prison 356 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,559 and I can't vouch for the pipe situation in there, 357 00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:46,440 I know the tapwater of New York is perfectly fine 358 00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:50,599 and good to drink. Every time I'm in New York, 359 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,960 I have to remind myself not to buy bottled water 360 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:58,000 like here in Nevada, where they tested nuclear bombs. Probably 361 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,279 not a good idea to drink the tapwater in Nevada, folks. 362 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:03,319 By the way, it comes from Lake Mead. Lake Meads 363 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:09,400 pretty disgusting. Okay, not thirty, but just pretty disgusting. So 364 00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:13,799 I avoid drinking tap water at all costs here in Nevada, 365 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:21,160 but when I'm in New York, I came on. After 366 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:25,440 Nathan Thrice denied Maxwell's request for bail, her lawyers turned 367 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,920 to the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, 368 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,119 which will hear oral arguments on Monday. So that's another 369 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,279 day to mark down on the calendar, folks, Monday, and 370 00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:38,559 I'm guessing there'll be another number to call into, So 371 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,400 obviously I'll be calling into that so that we can 372 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,839 do a recap once again. For their part, federal prosecutors 373 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,200 denied Maxwell as being mistreated in jail. In a recent 374 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:55,240 letter to the judge. The government said video footage refuted 375 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:59,200 Maxwell's claims of physical abuse, as well as claims that 376 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:02,599 guards had to remind her to flush her toilet and 377 00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:07,440 clean her very dirty cell. Yo, they got the video. 378 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,720 You know how you used to have the video, Gi Lane, 379 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,559 How you guys had the whole house videoed up so 380 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:19,720 that you could get your compromant well shoes on the 381 00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:25,160 other foot, Now you're on video all the time. Enjoy 382 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:31,240 the closed circuit television. So when she came out with 383 00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:35,480 those ridiculous claims, I thought as you all know, I 384 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:39,920 said it was bs right away. If she had legitimate 385 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,240 gripes and she was really being abused, physically abused by 386 00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:46,680 guards in there, oh hell yeah, I'd freak out about 387 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,599 that as well, because folks, let's remember, the whole entire 388 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,240 system is fed. A little justice here is great, and 389 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,000 it moves the needle in the right direction. Right, But 390 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,640 we got a law Longhill the climb, folks, A long 391 00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:09,599 hill of the climb. Maxwell's family has also launched a 392 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,559 gushing website as part of their public relations campaign to 393 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:21,279 garner sympathy for the inbattled jetsetter co conspirator alleged scuzzball. 394 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:25,200 You know all of that. The site claims Maxwell has 395 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,119 received hundreds of beautiful and supportive letters from strangers while incarcerated, 396 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,720 and that her spirit is strong and she remains undaunted. Boy, 397 00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:39,440 she's really She's really just a paragon of strength and virtue, 398 00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:42,440 isn't she? And hundreds of letters? Huh? I thought she 399 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:46,640 was being threatened. I thought that she was being chased 400 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,519 down and she had to hide from the media. So 401 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,400 I went to New Hampshire and bought a million dollar 402 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:57,359 hide away. What happened to that? Routine. Well, they think 403 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,400 we forgot I member. While Maxwell wasn't charged in connection 404 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,440 with Epstein's sex ring until last year, civil lawsuits filed 405 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,599 by survivors have named her as a facilitator of the 406 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:15,480 creepy financier pedophiles abuse. Maxwell has long denied any involvement 407 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,000 in Epstein's scheme. Yep she definitely has denied it, no 408 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:25,680 doubt about that. But denials without evidence well just comes 409 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:31,680 out as wind. The FBI arrested Maxwell at her New 410 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,079 Hampshire hideaway on July second, twenty twenty one, year after 411 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:41,200 Epstein was indicted for trafficking underage girls. Epstein killed himself 412 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,400 allegedly in a jail cell a month after his arrest, 413 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,319 shifting the focus of the investigation to Maxwell. And let's 414 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,319 not forget the other co conspirators. I'm not letting the 415 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:57,359 federal government off the hook if there's no prosecutions for 416 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,960 those other co conspirators. I want to see their witness 417 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,720 impact statements. I want to see that they cooperated with 418 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:09,200 the government at the very least, because this is a conspiracy, folks, 419 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,720 this is a RICO case. And all four of the 420 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:16,119 core four, Indike and Cohn, Maxwell, and Jean Luke Brunel 421 00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:22,440 all need to be indicted, all of them, and anything 422 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:25,880 short of that the government has failed, at least in 423 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:34,200 my humble opinion. The fifty nine year old Heiress co 424 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:40,119 conspirator general all around Scuzbag and bipedal Serpent initially faced 425 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,000 four trafficking related counts, including enticing a minor to travel 426 00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,960 to engage in illegal sex acts. Wouldn't that be the 427 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,480 Man Act as well? I mean, am I the only 428 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:52,000 one that knows that that's on the books or something? 429 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:56,960 What's going on over there, Maureen Comyan, friends, we're not 430 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,319 going to use the Man Act and two counts of 431 00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:06,480 perjury stemming from her twenty sixteen deposition in a civil 432 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:10,680 suit filed by Virginia Roberts, who alleges Epstein and Maxwell 433 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,680 exploited her and kept her as their sex slave for years. 434 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,680 So we know that we have the two separate issues, right. 435 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,519 We have the lying which is the perjury, and the 436 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:25,000 actual slap you in the face charges which are the 437 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,359 conspiracy and the sex trafficking and the more weighty charges. 438 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:34,359 According to the original indictment, Maxwell groomed three girls as 439 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,039 young as fourteen for Epstein between nineteen ninety four and 440 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,759 nineteen ninety seven. It's still discussed me every single time 441 00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:48,440 I have to read that. It's disgusting. How could these 442 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:55,039 people engage in this sort of behavior. She allegedly befriended 443 00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:59,480 the victims survivors and facilitated their abuse at Epstein's mansions 444 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,680 in New York, Florida, and New Mexico and her London townhouse. 445 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,720 Having developed a rapport with a survivor of the indictment states, 446 00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:13,359 Maxwell would try to normalize sexual abuse for a minor 447 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:19,119 survivor by, among other things, discussing sexual topics, undressing in 448 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,599 front of the survivor, being present when a minor survivor 449 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,240 was undressed, and or being present for sex acts involving 450 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:35,640 the minor. And Epstein, I mean, really, this is the 451 00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:38,440 kind of person that you're gonna get up there and 452 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,319 try and tell me is innocent of these charges without 453 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,799 an offering any evidence. Look, we're not talking about something 454 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,799 that's not serious here, folks, And we're not talking about 455 00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:53,519 something that is just conjecture at this point. We're talking 456 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:56,359 about heaps and heaps and heaps of at the very 457 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:06,319 least circumstantial evidence. The complaint adds In some instances, Maxwell 458 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:10,200 was present for and participated in the sexual abuse of miners. 459 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,960 Last month, the FEDS added two more charges against Maxwell 460 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,880 and a fourth minor survivor to their case. The latest 461 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,440 superseding indictment alleges Maxwell trafficked a fourteen year old girl 462 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,440 for Epstein from two thousand and one to two thousand 463 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,240 and four. Prosecutors claim Maxwell paid the teen hundreds of 464 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:34,759 dollars in cash, encouraged her to recruit other underage air 465 00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:39,079 quotes masseuses for Epstein, and sent her gifts, including lingerie, 466 00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:43,160 from an address in Manhattan to her Florida home. A 467 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,880 fourteen year old girl sending her lingerie. You sick, disgusting bastards. 468 00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:55,000 So yeah, Maxwell, in my opinion, you're exactly where you belong. 469 00:31:55,559 --> 00:32:02,799 You're a menace to society. Lady Maxwell now faces eighty 470 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,400 years behind bars if convicted. Her lawyers have asked to 471 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,799 postpone her trial until early twenty twenty two. So eighty years, Sherry, 472 00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:14,680 Her goose is cooked, right. It's a life sentence. Definitely 473 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,119 a life sentence, unless one of her her buddy scientists 474 00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:21,039 comes through with some kind of new eugenics move or 475 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:24,759 DNA swap or whatever the hell these sick bastards are 476 00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:32,000 working on, whatever Kimera they're working on. Nathan ruled last 477 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,759 week that Maxwell would be tried separately for the perjury 478 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,839 count sometime after she faces a jerry for the trafficking charges. 479 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,319 At Maxwell's arraignment last summer, two survivors shared statements with 480 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,119 the court and asked the judge to keep Maxwell behind 481 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,960 bars pending trial. And I think that that was very 482 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,319 impactful when they did that. You know, look, these are 483 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,519 these are the people who are the most impacted by this, 484 00:32:56,839 --> 00:33:00,519 the people who really have to carry the burden. So 485 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,759 when they speak out on it, especially in court, it 486 00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:09,440 has a very large effect, in my opinion. One assistant 487 00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,359 US attorney read the words of Jane Doe, who said, 488 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,519 without Gilaine, Jeffrey could not have done what he did. 489 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,079 She was in charge. She egged him on, and she 490 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,640 encouraged him. She told me of others she recruited, and 491 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,200 she thought it was funny. I had fear speaking here today, 492 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,799 even anonymously, Doe said, adding I know what she has done, 493 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,319 I know how many lives that she has ruined. And 494 00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,240 because I know this, I know she has nothing to lose, 495 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:40,759 has no remorse and will never admit what she has done. 496 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:47,720 Powerful statement, folks, very powerful statement. So the fight is on, right, 497 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:52,039 the battle is on for the court date, and Gilaine 498 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:56,079 Maxwell is in severe jeopardy in my opinion here, folks, 499 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:02,680 of spending the rest of her life behind bars. If 500 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,359 you'd like to contact me, you can do that at 501 00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:09,400 Bobby Kapucci at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo Bby c 502 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:14,519 ap you Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can also 503 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,880 find me on Twitter at Bobby cu excuse me, bo 504 00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:24,480 bb Y underscore c ap u Cci. All of the 505 00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,360 links that go with this episode can be found in 506 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,199 the description box and then welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 507 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,440 Hope everybody's having a great morning out there, and hopefully 508 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,199 the rest of your day is even better. Today on 509 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,840 the program, we're going to talk a little bit more 510 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:46,800 about the possibility that Maxwell's conviction gets overturned and that 511 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,119 her trial is declared a mistrial. Now, we have heard 512 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:56,760 from several experts here on the podcast and elsewhere about 513 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,519 the eventuality of Maxwell's conviction and if it will be 514 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:06,519 overturned or not, and really all anyone can do at 515 00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:10,840 this point is speculate. So when we're in a situation 516 00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,119 like this, what I like to do is add as 517 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:16,960 many opinions from the experts as possible, as much context 518 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,360 as possible, so that we get as clear of a 519 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,840 picture as we possibly can. So today that's what we're 520 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,760 gonna do. We're gonna hear from another expert, another legal expert, 521 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,880 who's going to give us their hot take on the 522 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,039 current situation. But before we dive into that, we're gonna 523 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:40,280 touch real quick on Prince Andrew and his sale of 524 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:46,000 the skischel A. Now he is in a big time bind, right, 525 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,559 He's gonna owe a bunch of money one way or 526 00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:53,719 the other. And it would lead one to believe that 527 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,800 selling off a property the way he is, you know, 528 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,320 selling off this property here in Switzerland, that that money 529 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,239 would be used to go to pay off legal fees 530 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:10,440 and any kind of settlement with Virginia Roberts. But according 531 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,440 to Spencer Coven, who is one of the lawyers for 532 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,800 the survivors, he's been relatively outspoken as well. He says 533 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,199 that it looks like a move of Andrew just basically 534 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,840 reorganizing his funds so he can protect that money and 535 00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:30,320 those funds from being seized or having to give access 536 00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:35,519 to his accuser. So that's a pretty interesting development on 537 00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:38,079 that end of the case, and we're gonna wait for 538 00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:42,360 a little more context to be provided, but it certainly 539 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,320 is an angle worth exploring. We know that Prince Andrew 540 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,840 and his legal team are relatively shrewd when it comes 541 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,079 to things like this, and anytime you have Singer and 542 00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:57,159 Brexler involved, you know that there's some moves going on 543 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,679 behind the scenes. So if they feel like they can 544 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,280 reord organize and you know, get that money protected so 545 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,960 that Virginia has an even harder time getting to it, 546 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,840 you know, that's what they're going to do. The more 547 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,119 layers of insulation they can provide between old princely old 548 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,559 boy over here and him getting the hammer dropped on him, 549 00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:22,119 so much the better from their perspective, right, So that's 550 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,599 what they're going to continue to do. And Prince Andrew, 551 00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:29,559 look as much of a boob as he is, the 552 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:31,400 guy has a lot of dough, he has a lot 553 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,159 of influence, and he has, you know, the royal family. 554 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,039 They might be acting like they're not backing him, you know, 555 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:41,079 for all intents and purposes. In the public view, but 556 00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,719 who knows what's going on behind the scenes. And we 557 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,039 know the Queen hasn't completely exiled him. We know the 558 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:51,039 Queen hasn't completely told him to get lost, So behind 559 00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:54,679 the scenes, I would guess that he is receiving support 560 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,920 from the Queen as well. And you know that this 561 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:02,480 is going to cost it ton of money, so Prince 562 00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:06,199 Andrew's going to really have to figure it out. And 563 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,840 it's my hope that Virginia's legal team continues to be 564 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,360 super aggressive and keep him on his heels, because you 565 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,440 know what, that's what he deserves. He deserves to wake 566 00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:20,679 up every morning, have anxiety, not know what's coming next, 567 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,719 and worrying about the other shoe getting ready to drop, 568 00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,719 just like all of these survivors had to worry for 569 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,159 all of their lives basically after they were abused by Epstein. 570 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,920 So it's shitty when the karma train comes around. Huh, 571 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,840 real shitty when it makes a stop at your station. 572 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,079 So that's a quick update there about Prince Andrew and 573 00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:44,079 the ski and the skihouse he had there for sale 574 00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:48,000 in Switzerland. And when we get some more you know, information, 575 00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:50,960 some more context, we'll dive in into a full episode 576 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,400 about it if it's noteworthy enough. But with that said, 577 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,320 today we're going to talk a little bit more about 578 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:04,920 jur number fIF Scotty David and the situation surrounding the 579 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,239 Maxwell conviction. Now I've said from the beginning, it doesn't 580 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,320 look good for mister Scotty David. Certainly looks to me 581 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,079 like he lied. Obviously, until we have confirmation of that, 582 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,119 it's just a guess, right. But when you look at 583 00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:22,960 the tea leaves and you look at how everything is, 584 00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:27,519 you know, falling here, certainly looks like he was loose 585 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,960 with the truth and didn't give all of the information 586 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,639 that is required up front. So if that's the case, 587 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,239 then you would think that Maxwell's team would certainly have 588 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,239 merit for a mistrial. That's what the common man would think, 589 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,960 right someone in the peanut gallery who's not a lawyer, 590 00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:47,039 who doesn't follow this stuff. Well, according to some of 591 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:51,679 the experts, as Lee Corso would say, not so fast, 592 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,519 my friend. So today we have an article from the 593 00:39:55,559 --> 00:40:00,880 New York Daily News and it's authored by Jeffrey Abramson, headline, 594 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,519 awill Glen Maxwell jerr compromised her right to a fair 595 00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,679 trial and why that won't be enough to invalidate the verdict. 596 00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:11,920 Now this has me torn right because I want to 597 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,119 see Maxwell go to prison for the rest of her life. 598 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,639 But at the same time, I believe that there needs 599 00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,840 to be a fair system that sends people to prison 600 00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,880 or we're all screwed. We all know it's not fair 601 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,119 as it is, so are we going to get make 602 00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:31,199 it even less fair. It's a pretty important situation when 603 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,599 we're talking about a jury being selected. And as much 604 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,079 as I despise Maxwell, as much as I want to 605 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:40,000 see her rotten prison forever, I want to make sure 606 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:42,320 everything's on the up and up, and I've said that 607 00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:46,159 from the very beginning here on this podcast. I didn't 608 00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:49,239 want her to have any kind of wiggle room anyway 609 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:55,280 off the hook. And unfortunately, if what we're hearing here 610 00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:59,159 and what I believe to be true is true, then 611 00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:01,960 that's exactly what we've given her, or should I say 612 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,159 what Juror fifty has given her some wiggle room, a 613 00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:08,760 way to try and get herself off the hook. Fortunately 614 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,639 for the world that large and especially the survivors, I 615 00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,480 don't think it's going to work, but it certainly gives 616 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,920 her a few breaths, right a little bit of an 617 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,599 air pocket as opposed to just suffocating under the weight 618 00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:28,559 of sixty years in prison. Now we're gonna have to 619 00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:30,400 see one way or the other of what comes of this, 620 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,159 and they're having their inquiry, but until we get there, 621 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,960 we're gonna take another look here and see what mister Abramson, 622 00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:42,119 another expert, what he has to say here is why 623 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,199 one jurors misconduct requires Glaine Maxwell's convictions to be tossed out, 624 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,840 and here's why they probably won't be. The issue is 625 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,880 whether Juror fifty failed to disclose he had been sexually 626 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,440 abused as a child. The jury questionnaire specifically asked him 627 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,599 about this. And you see, this is the issue I have, Right, 628 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,679 as much as I despise people like Maxwell, as much 629 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,519 as I cannot stand them, we have to have a 630 00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:12,280 system that works. We have to have a system that 631 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,880 at the very least there's at least faith in the 632 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,079 jury selection process. Right. So it's a big deal to me, 633 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,400 and I think that it is a gross move by 634 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:26,599 jur number fifty. If this all pans out and it's 635 00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:30,519 proved to be that he did bs, I think it's 636 00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:35,480 really a gross, gross move by this man. And it 637 00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:38,920 really sets the survivors back and makes them have to 638 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,519 relive all of this. So I hope that it doesn't 639 00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:46,400 have that effect, right, and I hope that we don't 640 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,239 get a mistrial here and they don't have to go 641 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,000 through all of this again. But Juror fifty and him lying, 642 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,159 if that's the case, certainly puts us in a position 643 00:42:56,559 --> 00:43:02,679 where it is a possibility. Since Maxwell faced charges of 644 00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:06,400 sex trafficking minor girls to Jeffrey Epstein, the relevance of 645 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,760 whether a potential juror had experienced sexual abuse as a 646 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:15,199 child was enormous. If Juror fifty had made the required disclosure, 647 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,960 the trial judge Alice and Nathan almost surely would have 648 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,800 asked follow up questions during the part of jury selection 649 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:27,119 and the questionnaire saw section, and instead she asked the 650 00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:31,119 juror forty eight questions, none of which were about sexual abuse. 651 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:35,360 So it certainly looks like he wasn't truthful. Right when 652 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,199 you look at everything that we have looked at here 653 00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:41,400 on the podcast, everything you folks have read elsewhere, it's 654 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,599 rather obvious that he was not truthful on this questionnaire. 655 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,519 And that's gonna be a big problem now, is it 656 00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:52,000 going to be enough to get a mistrial declared. That's 657 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,920 the question we're all asking, and who knows. We're gonna 658 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,400 have to see. We're gonna have to see what Judge 659 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,320 Nathan thinks, and we're gonna have to see what kind 660 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:08,960 of precedent has been set previously. The judge did ask 661 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,360 whether Juror fifty two of anything that would keep him 662 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,199 from being on from being fair, and he assured the 663 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,519 judge there was nothing. So it looks like that Juror 664 00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:22,760 fifty was not truthful at all here, really right? I mean, 665 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,039 with the judge, the questionnaire, all of it. If Maxwell's 666 00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:29,800 lawyers had known of Juror fifty's history, they would have 667 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,280 probed the matter and probably challenged the jur for cause. 668 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,440 They likely would have argued that any juror who had 669 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,239 been abused as a child would identify with Maxwell's survivors 670 00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:45,199 and cannot be fair. Well, that does sound like the case, right. 671 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,159 You would think that her lawyers would not want somebody 672 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,239 like this on the jury. Now, with that said, we 673 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,719 have to also keep in mind that maybe they made 674 00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,480 a mistake. Maybe he was truthful and her lawyers missed it. Now, 675 00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:03,760 do I think that's the likeliest of possibilities. I do not, 676 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,719 but until we know, we can't just say that that 677 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,039 didn't happen. So that's why we're here digging through all 678 00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:12,920 of this. We're trying to get to that gold right, 679 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,880 swimming through the murk looking for some clarity. Nathan would 680 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,559 then have asked Juror fifty whether he could put aside 681 00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,519 the past and decide the case solely upon the evidence. 682 00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:27,440 If she were satisfied with Juror fifty's assurances, she would 683 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,280 have denied the challenge for cause. If unsatisfied, she would 684 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,920 have granted it. So that's how it works, right, Both 685 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,800 sides get to take a look at the jurors, get 686 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,880 to try and choose potential jurors, and then if one 687 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,559 of them objects to a potential juror being selected, then 688 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,719 the judge comes in and she or he will make 689 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:52,320 that decision. But I would think that if mister Juror 690 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:57,480 fifty here, Scottie David, was honest, that Judge Nathan would 691 00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:01,760 have pursued that line of questioning. And again that's just 692 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,760 my guess. Maybe Judge Nathan missed it too, But Ockham's 693 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,639 razor and all right, even if they lost a challenge 694 00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:12,960 for cause against juror fifty. Maxwell's lawyers may have used 695 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,079 one of their peremptory challenges to strike them within limits. 696 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,440 Peremptory challenges give either side the right to strike any 697 00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:24,599 juror they suspect will favor the other side, And that 698 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,480 makes sense. That's the whole point of trying to select 699 00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,440 a jury right as opposed to just having a jury appointed. 700 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,480 The process is jurors. Potential jurors are brought in, then 701 00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:38,519 both sides get to question them, go through some different 702 00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:41,519 scenarios and try and figure out who is going to 703 00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:44,320 be best suited to sit and hear this case and 704 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,559 potentially get their client off, or on the flip side, 705 00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,039 who's going to be best to hear this case and 706 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:57,119 give the prosecution a conviction. In short, jurors fifty's failure 707 00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,000 to disclose his past kept the court and parties from 708 00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:05,159 making informed decisions about his impartiality. As the Supreme Court noted, 709 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,800 the necessity of truthful answers by prospective jurors is to serve. 710 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,519 Its purpose is obvious, and again the process has to 711 00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,880 be followed. I know that if I was on trial, 712 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,480 I'd want as fair of a trial as I possibly 713 00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:21,440 could have, and I certainly wouldn't want I don't know, 714 00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:24,880 say it was a financial crime, right, I certainly wouldn't 715 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,760 want a juror who has been swindled to be on 716 00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:32,960 the jury. So you could definitely see where their objection 717 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,239 would come from. Now, is that objection going to be 718 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,840 strong enough? I don't think so, but who knows. There's 719 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,480 a lot of precedent that has to be done away 720 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,039 with if we get an overturned conviction here, And like 721 00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:49,880 we've said several times here on the podcast, once the 722 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,840 court makes a decision, you really have to show it 723 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,800 some evidence for them to change that decision. In nineteen 724 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,920 eighty four, the Supreme Court set out guidelines for determining 725 00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:05,880 when a juror's failure to disclose relevant information is serious 726 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,039 enough to violate a defendant's right to an impartial jury. 727 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,760 To warrant a new trial, the court ruled, a party 728 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,119 must first demonstrate that a juror failed to answer honestly 729 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,360 a material question during the questioning period, and then further 730 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,840 show that a correct response would have provided valid basis 731 00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:28,800 for a challenge for cause I mean certainly looks to 732 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,280 me like that's right on pace with where we're at. 733 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,199 Right applying that standard, Nathan should with a reluctance, most 734 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,079 of us share, grant Maxwell a new trial. This jurors 735 00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:44,880 silence denied Maxwell the right to develop a valid challenge 736 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,039 for cause. And here's where I'm torn, right. I agree 737 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,119 that you know, her rights as far as a fair 738 00:48:56,159 --> 00:49:00,000 trial need to be respected. But again, I don't feel 739 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,679 like I am educated enough in the legal realm to 740 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,960 dive in hard enough one way or the other here 741 00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:10,480 and state definitively if this should be a mistrial or not. 742 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,239 It's really out of my lane, to be honest with you, folks. 743 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,039 That's why I'm trying to compile all of these opinions 744 00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:20,559 from all of these experts, and you know, that way 745 00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:23,039 we can come up, you know, to a conclusion. But 746 00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:27,119 it certainly looks like, if we're just going by the 747 00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,840 standards set here by the Supreme Court, that Maxwell would 748 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,199 have cause at the very least to petition the court 749 00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:39,760 for a new trial. But Nathan may well find that 750 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,480 the misconduct does not require overturning the guilty verdicts for starters. 751 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,320 She knows that courts have excused far worse during misconduct. 752 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,039 The Supreme Court has let stand guilty verdicts returned by 753 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,400 jurors drunk or high on cocaine. Other courts have found 754 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,920 verdicts valid even though jurors slept through the testimony. I 755 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,159 mean she if I was a defendant in the court 756 00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:06,079 and it was found out that one of my jurors 757 00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:10,519 was high on coke or drunk and I still got convicted, boy, 758 00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,039 I'd be hot as hell. Let me tell you that 759 00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:15,719 much right now. I'd be fired up. Now, don't get 760 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,239 me wrong. Should be more mad at yourself for you know, 761 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,280 committing the crime. But imagine if you're innocent and you 762 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,519 get a juror who don't give a shit comes in 763 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,400 all you know, gacked up on blow. Forget that. That's terrible, 764 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,440 but you know, the Supreme Court's going to Supreme Court, 765 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:34,920 And I guess the laws of the land are not 766 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:42,000 for mere peasants such as us to understand. After a 767 00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:45,960 trial involving injury sustained in a motorcycle accident, the Supreme 768 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,639 Court in twenty fourteen let the jury verdicts stand even 769 00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:52,559 though the four person failed to disclose that her own 770 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:55,679 daughter had been at fault in a fatal motorcycle accident. 771 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,559 So even though the Supreme Court has on the one 772 00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,639 hand that had defendant is entitled to an impartial jerry, 773 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,559 its own subsequent decisions have made it difficult to enforce 774 00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:09,320 that very right. And that's what I mean about precedent. 775 00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:14,039 So Maxwell has an uphill battle to climb here, folks, 776 00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,400 And it's never easy to get something overturned in the court. 777 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,599 But I think it's important for us to have full 778 00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:25,239 context of the whole entire situation right, because what it does, 779 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,159 again is it just shows you how broken the system 780 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,960 is and how it needs to be reformed and fixed. 781 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,000 In addition, Nathan could find that any omission on juror's 782 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,760 fifty juror fifties questionnaire were cured during the questionnaire session 783 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,280 when she had the opportunity to look the juror in 784 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,960 the eye and determine whether he was honest when he 785 00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:52,960 said there was absolutely nothing that would keep him from 786 00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:56,119 being a fair jur And again, this is why I 787 00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,719 talk about how important it is with these judges, folks. 788 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,480 You know, Judge Nathan's gonna be the one who really, 789 00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:04,239 at the end of the day, decides all of this. 790 00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:07,440 So if we don't have good quality people sitting the bench, 791 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,599 people who actually care about the law and not you know, 792 00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:14,800 promoting themselves for their next gig. Then we're going to 793 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,280 continue to be in a situation where the system is 794 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,679 just broken and there's no one there to guide it 795 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,360 correctly and put it back on course. You would think 796 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,400 that these judges would be, you know, the final barrier, 797 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,199 but a lot of times, you know, they're too busy 798 00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:42,280 acting like the king in their own court. It is 799 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,920 the defense that bears the high burden of proving Juror 800 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,440 fifties bias. Nathan will probably not presume bias simply because 801 00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:53,480 Juror fifty failed to disclose his child sexual abuse. She 802 00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:56,760 is likely to require the defense to prove actual bias 803 00:52:57,039 --> 00:52:59,880 and that the jur deliberately lied to get on the jury. 804 00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:03,159 Juror fifty maintains that any emissions were due to the 805 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,280 length of the questionnaire and is rushing through it. So, 806 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,920 according to Scotty David, he didn't lie intentionally. If he lied, 807 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,719 it was the questionnaire was too long and he rushed 808 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,280 through it. That's his defense. Legally speaking, it should not 809 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,599 matter whether juror'sies. Juror fifties mistakes on the questionnaire were 810 00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:28,480 intentional or inadvertent. Either way, his emissions deprived the defense 811 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,039 of its constitutional right to probe him for bias. But 812 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,079 don't bet on Jeffrey Epstein's procure winning on this issue. 813 00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:42,119 The author of this article is also the author of 814 00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,440 We the Jury, The Jury System, and the Ideal Democracy, 815 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,280 and he's a professor of law and government at the 816 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,159 University of Texas at Austin. So just another perspective for you, 817 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,960 folks to consider another legal voice adding his opinion to 818 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,519 the mix. And really, that's all we can do at 819 00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:03,840 this point, right, get as much information compiled as possible 820 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,960 and try and figure out what's what. So that's what 821 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,760 we're gonna continue to do here. We'll continue to try 822 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,440 and make a little sense of all of this nonsense. 823 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,840 All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this morning's episode. 824 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,599 I will be back later on like usual with an 825 00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:25,679 evening update context episode certainly coming your way in between. 826 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,400 If you'd like to contact me, you can do that 827 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,119 at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com. That's Bo Bby 828 00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:38,079 c ap you Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can 829 00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:42,639 also find me on Twitter at Bobby Underscore c ap 830 00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,960 u Cci. The link to the article that we discussed 831 00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:50,119 can be found in the description box. All Right,