Speaker 1: Gilayne Maxwell made a in person appearance today at court
where she was arraigned. As expected, she pleaded not guilty,
and the whole entire proceeding did not take very long
at all. I think I was on the phone call
for like thirteen and a half minutes. I called in
a couple minutes late, but the hearing had not started yet,
so I think I was on holes for a couple
of minutes, and then the hearing started and it was
very quick, very basic. Asked Gilainne Maxwell if she had
the indictment read to her, read over it with her lawyer,
and if she wanted the court to read it in
court again out loud. She waived that right, and then
obviously she pled not guilty. There was a little bit
of discussion about the time frame for the case moving forward,
and Judge Nathan basically said everyone should prepare for the
trial to go ahead as scheduled as of now. Now,
that doesn't mean she's not going to delay it, which
is very possible, and frankly I think at this point
quite likely. Unfortunately, I just have one of those weird
feelings that this is going to be one of the
victories that Maxwell gets, one of the very few, and
this is going to get pushed back now. I hope
I'm wrong. I mean, certainly wouldn't be the first time
that I'm wrong, But it just seems like things are
lining up because it is a very complex case, right,
a lot of different avenues that need to be explored,
and with all of those documents, I could see how
they could make an argument that the judge would buy
into noos. I'm hoping July twelfth is the date that
the trial starts. I think it's about time that this
whole thing gets over and done with. It's been going
on for decades now. These girls deserve to get in there,
face down the people that they're accusing, and then get
on with their lives, like any one of us would
want to do. And dragging it out prolonging it just
makes it that much more of a fiasco and a
burden for people who have been burdened frankly way too much.
So Judge Nathan is, you know, mulling it over. She
hasn't decided one way or another when the trial is
going to be. Well, I shouldn't say that July twelfth
is the date that's on the books as of now,
but according to her, it's still being mulled over if
it's going to be pushed back. So we'll have to
stay on top of that and see what sort of
decision and Judge Nathan decides to come to when it
comes to the date of the trial. But there really
wasn't much else, you know, going on in that arraignment
as far as on the phone call. Now, in the
article we're going to read from The Daily Beast and
Kate Bricklett, they go in a little bit of detail
about what happened at the actual courtroom and stuff like that.
Obviously I was just in on the call. I wasn't
at the actual courtroom. So let's jump into this article
from the Daily Beast and let's see what Kate Bricklett
and Justin Rorlick have to say. Headline, Gilaine Maxwell waived
at her sister in court as she pleaded not guilty
to sex trafficking charges. So I guess she gave the
old Cis a wave while she was in court, huh.
I've read some conflicting reports on that. Maybe it was
a friend, a blonde friend in the back that she
was waving at. I've read that as well. But like
I wasn't there either way, She waved to somebody in
the courtroom in a socially distanced pindrop quiet Manhattan Federal courtroom.
On Friday, Jeffrey Epstein's alleged madam, alleged co conspirator, alleged
all around scuzzbag, and fellow child abuse her Gilaine Maxwell,
pleaded not guilty to a pair of new sex trafficking
charges and waved to her sister, who watched from the gallery.
It must be like, ah, an odd scene in that courtroom.
Imagine somebody who has lived in opulence for as long
as Maxwell, somebody who has had everybody do everything for
her at the drop of a dime, like Maxwell, to
be put in a situation such as this where she's
on display basically, and that's been Make no mistake about it, folks,
when you're on trial, that's basically what you are. You're
on display. You might as well be in a zoo.
And that's just the way it goes. Right when you're
on trial and you're somebody famous, especially, all eyes are
on you, all eyes are on the trial, and this
is no different. You add in the other elements, the
elements of power, the elements of different business magnates, all
of the other so called elites that are involved in
one way or the other with this. And then you
add in the most disgusting fact of all that children
were involved in being abused, and yeah, you're gonna have
some people who are pretty interested in seeing justice be dispersed.
The arraignment marked the second time reporters caught a glimpse
of Maxwell, who slowly walked into court in her prison
blues and white COVID mask. The prison blues the usual
outfit of the poor right now getting to have a
little bit of a run on one of the so
called elite, you know, the people who thought that this
system wasn't meant for them, the people who have skirted
the law for all of these years with weak ass
non prosecution agreements and sorry ass excuses for prosecutors and
in some instances law enforcement officers. So now that the
shoes on the other foot and the justice train has
finally left the station and caught up, well, how do
they fit? Gulane. Her dark hair was down and gray
roots were growing at the top. As soon as she
sat at the defense table, she took a long drink
out of a bottle of water. Well, you know, I
guess she's not going ball. That would have been the
first thing people were talking about. Right, Oh, Maxwell's ball.
She's really looking rough. Oh she's frail. Well yeah, she's
fifty nine years old and she's in custody. I'm pretty
sure she's gonna look frail again. Being in jail's not
supposed to be fun. And they're right. Maxwell's people are
right when they say this. I do not wish it
on my worst enemy. There's nothing funny or cool or
anything about having to go to prison. And if you
don't know anybody who has ever been to prison, who
has ever done real time, don't worry. Very soon we're
gonna be talking to some people who have done real
time and they're going to tell you their stories about
how they were treated by the justice system. Have a
couple of my friends who have done a significant bid
in one case pretty long time, and they're gonna come
on to that to my new podcast when we're talking
about the war on drugs, and they're gonna they're gonna
come correct and come clean about what prison is really
like when you don't have big dough and you'll see
the stark difference, folks, reporters waited hours to spot Maxwell
and what was only a minute's long hearing. Yeah, like
I was saying, it was very short, very short, very
to the point. In fact, I listened to it in
my car. I had some errands to run, so I
had my laptop with me, thinking that I was going
to have to take notes maybe, but it was very short,
and honestly I didn't even didn't even need to take notes.
So it was nothing too crazy, nothing too wild. I mean,
the environment was pretty wild, I'm sure, with Maxwell being
there the first time, her family there, and even one
of an accusers showing up at court as well. We're
gonna get to that in this article, I'm sure. Before
the arraignment began, a woman who appeared to be Gilaane,
Maxwell's sister, Isabelle Maxwell, was whisked into the courtroom wearing
a black beret, tinted shades, mask and coat. She took
notes on a small notepad once she took her seat. Yeah,
I highly doubt she was taking notes. What kind of
notes could you possibly take from this arraignment? Doing some scribbling,
maybe drawing some stick figures? Are you playing Hangman over there?
So I don't know what kind of notes you could
possibly cake? But okay, And I saw a picture. I
think it was in the Daily Mail. I read an
article about this over at the Daily Mail, and I
believe that's where the picture was. But a picture of
Isabelle Maxwell just dressed up like, you know, like she's
wearing a burka, almost everything completely covered, the all of it,
trying to slide under the are. Judge Allison Nathan asked
Maxwell if she read the indictment and if she had
time to review it with her attorney. Yes, your honor,
Maxwell replied softly. Her lawyer, Bobby Sternheim, then confirmed Maxwell
pleaded not guilty. So we got to hear Maxwell talk
just a couple of times. Then when she when when
she was asked if she read was read the indictment
with her attorney, Yes, your honor, And then you know,
she pleaded not guilty. And I believe she only spoke twice.
After a discussion about discovery timelines in the case, the
hearing was over Maxwell, who appeared slim but not in
poor health as her lawyers have charged, looked to Isabelle
tapped be lower eye and waved before she was slowly
led away and of course she was. She's not in
the shape that her lawyers said she was in. Come on,
that's a bunch of bs. They're under the microscope as well.
Do you think these guys are going to do anything
that's going to jeopardize not only their careers but their
freedom at this point? I bet you that the protocols
that are being being followed in this whole entire situation,
as far as her health and everything, are way above board,
way above board. Like I said, I have news for you.
Nobody was checking in on my friend. Nobody cared about
him being on the main line general population in a
serious prison. Nobody gave a shit about that. But Maxwell,
you got, got the computer, three four ballot attempts, appeal,
got a whole a website set up for Yeah, and
she's being treated wrongly. Right. Meanwhile, Nathan told the courtroom
she was still mulling whether to a Jorne Maxwell's trial
until next year, but instructed defense and prosecution for now
to plan for the scheduled July trial date. And that's
what we're all going on, right, That's what I have
all of my plans based on. For sure. You know,
I'm flying in for the trial and everything that I
have locked in is based on this date. If it
gets moved back, especially moved back into like next year, man,
I'm gonna I doubt I'll be able to go in
for the whole month. Couple weeks for sure, but a
whole month next year, I just don't have that. Maybe,
you know, I won't say no, I'm not for I
can't for sure, but it's hard for me to make
that commitment all the way into next year considering the
world's opening back up and stuff like that. You know,
I'm gonna have other responsibilities soon as well. But no
matter what, even if it gets moved back, I'll be
flying in at least for two weeks for the end
portion of the case, sentencing and all of that stuff,
you know, if it gets moved back. As of now,
my plan is to go in for the whole month basically,
and go in from start to finish, and you know,
follow it from in the city on the ground, closer
to where the action is and so I don't have
to rely on anybody else. Also in the gallery were
lawyer Sigared McCauley and David Boyce, who represent more than
a dozen Epstein survivors. An accuser named Danielle Bensky sat
with them to see the proceeding, though she is not
a minor victim in the Maxwell case. After the arraignment,
Boys told reporters it's important for survivors to have the
opportunity to show the court how important this prosecution is
to them. And I think that is a big deal, right,
It is important. I think that these girls that want
to go and face Maxwell, even if they're not the
ones who are being taught about in the prosecution itself,
I think that they should have the right to do that.
We've seen that at the Harvey Weinstein case, and I
don't think it should be any different here. You know,
these girls are making serious allegations against Elaine Maxwell, and
serious allegations deserve serious attention. So if these girls want
to come and face the person that they're accusing, then
they should definitely be allowed to do that. Boys told
a Beast reporter that survivors of Epstein's abuse want to
see Maxwell's trial proceed as rapidly as it can, as
long as it's fair. Again, that's important to me too.
I know a lot of people are, you know, in
tar and feather mode, and I really don't blame people
for being that bent out of shape about this case.
But for me, one of the main reasons I even
got interested in this case was because of the two
tier justice system and how I knew it was failing
us at every turn, and this case just amplified it
to a degree that we have not seen in a
very long time, maybe ever, folks. Honestly, so, I'm interested
in everybody getting a fair shake. I'm interested in everybody
getting time in front of the judge, getting time in
front of a jury of their peers, and having a
real trial like a real free nation should do. And
that goes for everybody, not just Guilay Maxwell. I don't
care if you have two cents. You should be afforded
the right to the best defense possible. But it always
comes back to the Fazuls, right. It always comes back
to those in power using that power one way or
the other to get the upper hand. And I'm not
talking about people that count their money, folks, like the
rest of us, when I talk about people with money,
we're not talking about people that count their money. I'm
not even talking about count their money with a money counter.
I'm talking about people that have so much money and
so much weight they have to weigh that shit. They
don't count their money, They bundle it and weigh it
like drug barons. And these are the people that are
crying right now about how bad conditions are, and just
say it. You can miss me with all of that bullshit.
I'm not from the suburbs. Have I never lived anywhere
where I was anywhere that could even be considered privileged.
I grew up in the inner city my whole entire life,
from the Bronx New York, to South Yonkers to smack
dab middle of East Las Vegas. So you can miss
me with all that crying bs about how rough things
are for these people and how bad and Gelean Maxwell
has it, especially when I know people personally who have
really went through the system and have really been screwed.
They want the trial as quickly as possible. Boys said,
this case has gone on far too long. The length
of time this subject matter existed is now decades. I
think all of the survivors are anxious to have it finished.
And I think that's a very important point. This subject
matter is literally decades old, folks. This isn't some Johnny
come Lately. Oh where we're breaking it down in real
time as it happens. That's not a realm I'm ever
getting involved in. There was a bunch of evidence here,
a bunch of articles, things to dig into, evidence to
be found, people to hear, and people that came out
and talked corroborated these stories. Decades, decades and decades of
people trying to stop epstein. You know, these survivors coming forward,
nobody listening to them, all the way back to the
nineties with the farmers. So yeah, it's been going on
way too long, and I definitely agree pushing the trial
is not a good idea. Marshalls told The Daily Beast
that Maxwell was brought in early Friday morning, before the
crowds of protesters arrived at the courthouse. By midday, throngs
of people outside waved banners Epstein is the worst kind
of virus, and one woman showed off her Virginia Roberts jacket.
Hey look, folks, if you're gonna go out there and
you're gonna like protest or whatever, I'm all for protesting.
Peaceful protest is as ingrained in who we are as
Americans as you can get. But don't be stullnad. If
you go out there right, don't don't be an idiot.
Plenty of those people running around right, no need for it.
Go out there, make your voice heard. Nice sign Epstein
is the worst kind of virus. I can get down
with some nice signs, some creative signs. But let this
take its course, you know, don't don't be that guy, right,
make sure that you know if you're going down there,
you're not going down there with the purpose to interrupt
the hearing or whatever. And I know most of the
people out there listening to this show and elsewhere would
never even think about doing that. But you know, there's
always a couple of wackies, right, you always, you know,
you always. Sometimes you'll buy a box of baseball cards
and you just get a pack that really really sucks.
And that's how it is with people. Sometimes people just suck.
But it seems like everybody was, you know, on their
best behavior and doing the right thing. And people should
go out there and protest, in my opinion, and I
in front of the Department of Justice too. And frankly,
if I lived in Florida, I might even think about
going down now doing some protesting out there, because if
you want to trace this back to the nexus and
where it really got stinky real fast. Oh go no
further than Palm Beach, my friends. Maxwell's lawyer, David Oscar
Marcus told reporters that the British socialite, alleged co conspirator
and fellow child abuser and definitely general all around scusbag
and bipedle serpent is hanging in there, and added all
we want is a fair fight. You know, David Oscar Marcus,
I think you're getting more than a fair fight here. Bro.
You guys got like a you know, you're getting like
a twenty week camp here. Man, What do you mean
you're not getting a fair fight? Do you think that
the judge should just, you know, bow down to all
of your requests? And you haven't proved, there's been no
proof provided that any of your allegations as towards Maxwell's
treatment are real or true. Because frankly, if somebody was
abusing her in there, I would speak up about it.
I wouldn't just turn the other cheek. I don't care
who is in prison, folks. You gotta understand me very
clearly when I say this, whoever you are in prison
for whatever the crime you have to be treated humanly.
We're not a society of barbarians. So if somebody was
abusing her in there, yeah, I'd want that person punished.
But the whole narrative they tried to pitch about somebody
in there abusing her as just straight buff kiss was
from the jump. I knew that that was. It was BS.
Look put a name to it. They didn't name anybody
in their complaint. The second nobody was named, and it
was just very vague. I knew it was BS. Friday's
hearing marked the second time the public got a view
of Maxwell since her arrest. At her arraignment last July,
the British socialite alleged co conspirator General All Around Scotsbag
shed tears when US District Judge Alison Nathan denied her
bell because she was a substantial flight risk. Ah. I
can't drum up any empathy for her. I'm sorry, I
just can't. You got away with this shit for decades,
part of that non prosecution agreement. Thought you were in
the clear, didn't You had your little, your little un
Tera Marr project going on, hanging out with all the stars,
being invited to Jeff Beso's little function as late as
twenty eighteen. By the way, and you thought that you
were just going to walk away from this nose in
the air laughing at the rest of us, Well, guess
what not. This time justice is catching up to you.
The wheels of justice in America they grind slowly, but
once you're in the grinder, it's grind time. Since then,
Maxwell's lawyers have pushed for her release from Brooklyn's Metropolitan
Detention Center, where they claim she's withering to a shell
of her former self, forced to drink foul tapwater, and
was once allegedly manhandled by a guard. Literally, none of
that's true. And while I've never been in that prison
and I can't vouch for the pipe situation in there,
I know the tapwater of New York is perfectly fine
and good to drink. Every time I'm in New York,
I have to remind myself not to buy bottled water
like here in Nevada, where they tested nuclear bombs. Probably
not a good idea to drink the tapwater in Nevada, folks.
By the way, it comes from Lake Mead. Lake Meads
pretty disgusting. Okay, not thirty, but just pretty disgusting. So
I avoid drinking tap water at all costs here in Nevada,
but when I'm in New York, I came on. After
Nathan Thrice denied Maxwell's request for bail, her lawyers turned
to the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit,
which will hear oral arguments on Monday. So that's another
day to mark down on the calendar, folks, Monday, and
I'm guessing there'll be another number to call into, So
obviously I'll be calling into that so that we can
do a recap once again. For their part, federal prosecutors
denied Maxwell as being mistreated in jail. In a recent
letter to the judge. The government said video footage refuted
Maxwell's claims of physical abuse, as well as claims that
guards had to remind her to flush her toilet and
clean her very dirty cell. Yo, they got the video.
You know how you used to have the video, Gi Lane,
How you guys had the whole house videoed up so
that you could get your compromant well shoes on the
other foot, Now you're on video all the time. Enjoy
the closed circuit television. So when she came out with
those ridiculous claims, I thought as you all know, I
said it was bs right away. If she had legitimate
gripes and she was really being abused, physically abused by
guards in there, oh hell yeah, I'd freak out about
that as well, because folks, let's remember, the whole entire
system is fed. A little justice here is great, and
it moves the needle in the right direction. Right, But
we got a law Longhill the climb, folks, A long
hill of the climb. Maxwell's family has also launched a
gushing website as part of their public relations campaign to
garner sympathy for the inbattled jetsetter co conspirator alleged scuzzball.
You know all of that. The site claims Maxwell has
received hundreds of beautiful and supportive letters from strangers while incarcerated,
and that her spirit is strong and she remains undaunted. Boy,
she's really She's really just a paragon of strength and virtue,
isn't she? And hundreds of letters? Huh? I thought she
was being threatened. I thought that she was being chased
down and she had to hide from the media. So
I went to New Hampshire and bought a million dollar
hide away. What happened to that? Routine. Well, they think
we forgot I member. While Maxwell wasn't charged in connection
with Epstein's sex ring until last year, civil lawsuits filed
by survivors have named her as a facilitator of the
creepy financier pedophiles abuse. Maxwell has long denied any involvement
in Epstein's scheme. Yep she definitely has denied it, no
doubt about that. But denials without evidence well just comes
out as wind. The FBI arrested Maxwell at her New
Hampshire hideaway on July second, twenty twenty one, year after
Epstein was indicted for trafficking underage girls. Epstein killed himself
allegedly in a jail cell a month after his arrest,
shifting the focus of the investigation to Maxwell. And let's
not forget the other co conspirators. I'm not letting the
federal government off the hook if there's no prosecutions for
those other co conspirators. I want to see their witness
impact statements. I want to see that they cooperated with
the government at the very least, because this is a conspiracy, folks,
this is a RICO case. And all four of the
core four, Indike and Cohn, Maxwell, and Jean Luke Brunel
all need to be indicted, all of them, and anything
short of that the government has failed, at least in
my humble opinion. The fifty nine year old Heiress co
conspirator general all around Scuzbag and bipedal Serpent initially faced
four trafficking related counts, including enticing a minor to travel
to engage in illegal sex acts. Wouldn't that be the
Man Act as well? I mean, am I the only
one that knows that that's on the books or something?
What's going on over there, Maureen Comyan, friends, we're not
going to use the Man Act and two counts of
perjury stemming from her twenty sixteen deposition in a civil
suit filed by Virginia Roberts, who alleges Epstein and Maxwell
exploited her and kept her as their sex slave for years.
So we know that we have the two separate issues, right.
We have the lying which is the perjury, and the
actual slap you in the face charges which are the
conspiracy and the sex trafficking and the more weighty charges.
According to the original indictment, Maxwell groomed three girls as
young as fourteen for Epstein between nineteen ninety four and
nineteen ninety seven. It's still discussed me every single time
I have to read that. It's disgusting. How could these
people engage in this sort of behavior. She allegedly befriended
the victims survivors and facilitated their abuse at Epstein's mansions
in New York, Florida, and New Mexico and her London townhouse.
Having developed a rapport with a survivor of the indictment states,
Maxwell would try to normalize sexual abuse for a minor
survivor by, among other things, discussing sexual topics, undressing in
front of the survivor, being present when a minor survivor
was undressed, and or being present for sex acts involving
the minor. And Epstein, I mean, really, this is the
kind of person that you're gonna get up there and
try and tell me is innocent of these charges without
an offering any evidence. Look, we're not talking about something
that's not serious here, folks, And we're not talking about
something that is just conjecture at this point. We're talking
about heaps and heaps and heaps of at the very
least circumstantial evidence. The complaint adds In some instances, Maxwell
was present for and participated in the sexual abuse of miners.
Last month, the FEDS added two more charges against Maxwell
and a fourth minor survivor to their case. The latest
superseding indictment alleges Maxwell trafficked a fourteen year old girl
for Epstein from two thousand and one to two thousand
and four. Prosecutors claim Maxwell paid the teen hundreds of
dollars in cash, encouraged her to recruit other underage air
quotes masseuses for Epstein, and sent her gifts, including lingerie,
from an address in Manhattan to her Florida home. A
fourteen year old girl sending her lingerie. You sick, disgusting bastards.
So yeah, Maxwell, in my opinion, you're exactly where you belong.
You're a menace to society. Lady Maxwell now faces eighty
years behind bars if convicted. Her lawyers have asked to
postpone her trial until early twenty twenty two. So eighty years, Sherry,
Her goose is cooked, right. It's a life sentence. Definitely
a life sentence, unless one of her her buddy scientists
comes through with some kind of new eugenics move or
DNA swap or whatever the hell these sick bastards are
working on, whatever Kimera they're working on. Nathan ruled last
week that Maxwell would be tried separately for the perjury
count sometime after she faces a jerry for the trafficking charges.
At Maxwell's arraignment last summer, two survivors shared statements with
the court and asked the judge to keep Maxwell behind
bars pending trial. And I think that that was very
impactful when they did that. You know, look, these are
these are the people who are the most impacted by this,
the people who really have to carry the burden. So
when they speak out on it, especially in court, it
has a very large effect, in my opinion. One assistant
US attorney read the words of Jane Doe, who said,
without Gilaine, Jeffrey could not have done what he did.
She was in charge. She egged him on, and she
encouraged him. She told me of others she recruited, and
she thought it was funny. I had fear speaking here today,
even anonymously, Doe said, adding I know what she has done,
I know how many lives that she has ruined. And
because I know this, I know she has nothing to lose,
has no remorse and will never admit what she has done.
Powerful statement, folks, very powerful statement. So the fight is on, right,
the battle is on for the court date, and Gilaine
Maxwell is in severe jeopardy in my opinion here, folks,
of spending the rest of her life behind bars. If
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Hope everybody's having a great morning out there, and hopefully
the rest of your day is even better. Today on
the program, we're going to talk a little bit more
about the possibility that Maxwell's conviction gets overturned and that
her trial is declared a mistrial. Now, we have heard
from several experts here on the podcast and elsewhere about
the eventuality of Maxwell's conviction and if it will be
overturned or not, and really all anyone can do at
this point is speculate. So when we're in a situation
like this, what I like to do is add as
many opinions from the experts as possible, as much context
as possible, so that we get as clear of a
picture as we possibly can. So today that's what we're
gonna do. We're gonna hear from another expert, another legal expert,
who's going to give us their hot take on the
current situation. But before we dive into that, we're gonna
touch real quick on Prince Andrew and his sale of
the skischel A. Now he is in a big time bind, right,
He's gonna owe a bunch of money one way or
the other. And it would lead one to believe that
selling off a property the way he is, you know,
selling off this property here in Switzerland, that that money
would be used to go to pay off legal fees
and any kind of settlement with Virginia Roberts. But according
to Spencer Coven, who is one of the lawyers for
the survivors, he's been relatively outspoken as well. He says
that it looks like a move of Andrew just basically
reorganizing his funds so he can protect that money and
those funds from being seized or having to give access
to his accuser. So that's a pretty interesting development on
that end of the case, and we're gonna wait for
a little more context to be provided, but it certainly
is an angle worth exploring. We know that Prince Andrew
and his legal team are relatively shrewd when it comes
to things like this, and anytime you have Singer and
Brexler involved, you know that there's some moves going on
behind the scenes. So if they feel like they can
reord organize and you know, get that money protected so
that Virginia has an even harder time getting to it,
you know, that's what they're going to do. The more
layers of insulation they can provide between old princely old
boy over here and him getting the hammer dropped on him,
so much the better from their perspective, right, So that's
what they're going to continue to do. And Prince Andrew,
look as much of a boob as he is, the
guy has a lot of dough, he has a lot
of influence, and he has, you know, the royal family.
They might be acting like they're not backing him, you know,
for all intents and purposes. In the public view, but
who knows what's going on behind the scenes. And we
know the Queen hasn't completely exiled him. We know the
Queen hasn't completely told him to get lost, So behind
the scenes, I would guess that he is receiving support
from the Queen as well. And you know that this
is going to cost it ton of money, so Prince
Andrew's going to really have to figure it out. And
it's my hope that Virginia's legal team continues to be
super aggressive and keep him on his heels, because you
know what, that's what he deserves. He deserves to wake
up every morning, have anxiety, not know what's coming next,
and worrying about the other shoe getting ready to drop,
just like all of these survivors had to worry for
all of their lives basically after they were abused by Epstein.
So it's shitty when the karma train comes around. Huh,
real shitty when it makes a stop at your station.
So that's a quick update there about Prince Andrew and
the ski and the skihouse he had there for sale
in Switzerland. And when we get some more you know, information,
some more context, we'll dive in into a full episode
about it if it's noteworthy enough. But with that said,
today we're going to talk a little bit more about
jur number fIF Scotty David and the situation surrounding the
Maxwell conviction. Now I've said from the beginning, it doesn't
look good for mister Scotty David. Certainly looks to me
like he lied. Obviously, until we have confirmation of that,
it's just a guess, right. But when you look at
the tea leaves and you look at how everything is,
you know, falling here, certainly looks like he was loose
with the truth and didn't give all of the information
that is required up front. So if that's the case,
then you would think that Maxwell's team would certainly have
merit for a mistrial. That's what the common man would think,
right someone in the peanut gallery who's not a lawyer,
who doesn't follow this stuff. Well, according to some of
the experts, as Lee Corso would say, not so fast,
my friend. So today we have an article from the
New York Daily News and it's authored by Jeffrey Abramson, headline,
awill Glen Maxwell jerr compromised her right to a fair
trial and why that won't be enough to invalidate the verdict.
Now this has me torn right because I want to
see Maxwell go to prison for the rest of her life.
But at the same time, I believe that there needs
to be a fair system that sends people to prison
or we're all screwed. We all know it's not fair
as it is, so are we going to get make
it even less fair. It's a pretty important situation when
we're talking about a jury being selected. And as much
as I despise Maxwell, as much as I want to
see her rotten prison forever, I want to make sure
everything's on the up and up, and I've said that
from the very beginning here on this podcast. I didn't
want her to have any kind of wiggle room anyway
off the hook. And unfortunately, if what we're hearing here
and what I believe to be true is true, then
that's exactly what we've given her, or should I say
what Juror fifty has given her some wiggle room, a
way to try and get herself off the hook. Fortunately
for the world that large and especially the survivors, I
don't think it's going to work, but it certainly gives
her a few breaths, right a little bit of an
air pocket as opposed to just suffocating under the weight
of sixty years in prison. Now we're gonna have to
see one way or the other of what comes of this,
and they're having their inquiry, but until we get there,
we're gonna take another look here and see what mister Abramson,
another expert, what he has to say here is why
one jurors misconduct requires Glaine Maxwell's convictions to be tossed out,
and here's why they probably won't be. The issue is
whether Juror fifty failed to disclose he had been sexually
abused as a child. The jury questionnaire specifically asked him
about this. And you see, this is the issue I have, Right,
as much as I despise people like Maxwell, as much
as I cannot stand them, we have to have a
system that works. We have to have a system that
at the very least there's at least faith in the
jury selection process. Right. So it's a big deal to me,
and I think that it is a gross move by
jur number fifty. If this all pans out and it's
proved to be that he did bs, I think it's
really a gross, gross move by this man. And it
really sets the survivors back and makes them have to
relive all of this. So I hope that it doesn't
have that effect, right, and I hope that we don't
get a mistrial here and they don't have to go
through all of this again. But Juror fifty and him lying,
if that's the case, certainly puts us in a position
where it is a possibility. Since Maxwell faced charges of
sex trafficking minor girls to Jeffrey Epstein, the relevance of
whether a potential juror had experienced sexual abuse as a
child was enormous. If Juror fifty had made the required disclosure,
the trial judge Alice and Nathan almost surely would have
asked follow up questions during the part of jury selection
and the questionnaire saw section, and instead she asked the
juror forty eight questions, none of which were about sexual abuse.
So it certainly looks like he wasn't truthful. Right when
you look at everything that we have looked at here
on the podcast, everything you folks have read elsewhere, it's
rather obvious that he was not truthful on this questionnaire.
And that's gonna be a big problem now, is it
going to be enough to get a mistrial declared. That's
the question we're all asking, and who knows. We're gonna
have to see. We're gonna have to see what Judge
Nathan thinks, and we're gonna have to see what kind
of precedent has been set previously. The judge did ask
whether Juror fifty two of anything that would keep him
from being on from being fair, and he assured the
judge there was nothing. So it looks like that Juror
fifty was not truthful at all here, really right? I mean,
with the judge, the questionnaire, all of it. If Maxwell's
lawyers had known of Juror fifty's history, they would have
probed the matter and probably challenged the jur for cause.
They likely would have argued that any juror who had
been abused as a child would identify with Maxwell's survivors
and cannot be fair. Well, that does sound like the case, right.
You would think that her lawyers would not want somebody
like this on the jury. Now, with that said, we
have to also keep in mind that maybe they made
a mistake. Maybe he was truthful and her lawyers missed it. Now,
do I think that's the likeliest of possibilities. I do not,
but until we know, we can't just say that that
didn't happen. So that's why we're here digging through all
of this. We're trying to get to that gold right,
swimming through the murk looking for some clarity. Nathan would
then have asked Juror fifty whether he could put aside
the past and decide the case solely upon the evidence.
If she were satisfied with Juror fifty's assurances, she would
have denied the challenge for cause. If unsatisfied, she would
have granted it. So that's how it works, right, Both
sides get to take a look at the jurors, get
to try and choose potential jurors, and then if one
of them objects to a potential juror being selected, then
the judge comes in and she or he will make
that decision. But I would think that if mister Juror
fifty here, Scottie David, was honest, that Judge Nathan would
have pursued that line of questioning. And again that's just
my guess. Maybe Judge Nathan missed it too, But Ockham's
razor and all right, even if they lost a challenge
for cause against juror fifty. Maxwell's lawyers may have used
one of their peremptory challenges to strike them within limits.
Peremptory challenges give either side the right to strike any
juror they suspect will favor the other side, And that
makes sense. That's the whole point of trying to select
a jury right as opposed to just having a jury appointed.
The process is jurors. Potential jurors are brought in, then
both sides get to question them, go through some different
scenarios and try and figure out who is going to
be best suited to sit and hear this case and
potentially get their client off, or on the flip side,
who's going to be best to hear this case and
give the prosecution a conviction. In short, jurors fifty's failure
to disclose his past kept the court and parties from
making informed decisions about his impartiality. As the Supreme Court noted,
the necessity of truthful answers by prospective jurors is to serve.
Its purpose is obvious, and again the process has to
be followed. I know that if I was on trial,
I'd want as fair of a trial as I possibly
could have, and I certainly wouldn't want I don't know,
say it was a financial crime, right, I certainly wouldn't
want a juror who has been swindled to be on
the jury. So you could definitely see where their objection
would come from. Now, is that objection going to be
strong enough? I don't think so, but who knows. There's
a lot of precedent that has to be done away
with if we get an overturned conviction here, And like
we've said several times here on the podcast, once the
court makes a decision, you really have to show it
some evidence for them to change that decision. In nineteen
eighty four, the Supreme Court set out guidelines for determining
when a juror's failure to disclose relevant information is serious
enough to violate a defendant's right to an impartial jury.
To warrant a new trial, the court ruled, a party
must first demonstrate that a juror failed to answer honestly
a material question during the questioning period, and then further
show that a correct response would have provided valid basis
for a challenge for cause I mean certainly looks to
me like that's right on pace with where we're at.
Right applying that standard, Nathan should with a reluctance, most
of us share, grant Maxwell a new trial. This jurors
silence denied Maxwell the right to develop a valid challenge
for cause. And here's where I'm torn, right. I agree
that you know, her rights as far as a fair
trial need to be respected. But again, I don't feel
like I am educated enough in the legal realm to
dive in hard enough one way or the other here
and state definitively if this should be a mistrial or not.
It's really out of my lane, to be honest with you, folks.
That's why I'm trying to compile all of these opinions
from all of these experts, and you know, that way
we can come up, you know, to a conclusion. But
it certainly looks like, if we're just going by the
standards set here by the Supreme Court, that Maxwell would
have cause at the very least to petition the court
for a new trial. But Nathan may well find that
the misconduct does not require overturning the guilty verdicts for starters.
She knows that courts have excused far worse during misconduct.
The Supreme Court has let stand guilty verdicts returned by
jurors drunk or high on cocaine. Other courts have found
verdicts valid even though jurors slept through the testimony. I
mean she if I was a defendant in the court
and it was found out that one of my jurors
was high on coke or drunk and I still got convicted, boy,
I'd be hot as hell. Let me tell you that
much right now. I'd be fired up. Now, don't get
me wrong. Should be more mad at yourself for you know,
committing the crime. But imagine if you're innocent and you
get a juror who don't give a shit comes in
all you know, gacked up on blow. Forget that. That's terrible,
but you know, the Supreme Court's going to Supreme Court,
And I guess the laws of the land are not
for mere peasants such as us to understand. After a
trial involving injury sustained in a motorcycle accident, the Supreme
Court in twenty fourteen let the jury verdicts stand even
though the four person failed to disclose that her own
daughter had been at fault in a fatal motorcycle accident.
So even though the Supreme Court has on the one
hand that had defendant is entitled to an impartial jerry,
its own subsequent decisions have made it difficult to enforce
that very right. And that's what I mean about precedent.
So Maxwell has an uphill battle to climb here, folks,
And it's never easy to get something overturned in the court.
But I think it's important for us to have full
context of the whole entire situation right, because what it does,
again is it just shows you how broken the system
is and how it needs to be reformed and fixed.
In addition, Nathan could find that any omission on juror's
fifty juror fifties questionnaire were cured during the questionnaire session
when she had the opportunity to look the juror in
the eye and determine whether he was honest when he
said there was absolutely nothing that would keep him from
being a fair jur And again, this is why I
talk about how important it is with these judges, folks.
You know, Judge Nathan's gonna be the one who really,
at the end of the day, decides all of this.
So if we don't have good quality people sitting the bench,
people who actually care about the law and not you know,
promoting themselves for their next gig. Then we're going to
continue to be in a situation where the system is
just broken and there's no one there to guide it
correctly and put it back on course. You would think
that these judges would be, you know, the final barrier,
but a lot of times, you know, they're too busy
acting like the king in their own court. It is
the defense that bears the high burden of proving Juror
fifties bias. Nathan will probably not presume bias simply because
Juror fifty failed to disclose his child sexual abuse. She
is likely to require the defense to prove actual bias
and that the jur deliberately lied to get on the jury.
Juror fifty maintains that any emissions were due to the
length of the questionnaire and is rushing through it. So,
according to Scotty David, he didn't lie intentionally. If he lied,
it was the questionnaire was too long and he rushed
through it. That's his defense. Legally speaking, it should not
matter whether juror'sies. Juror fifties mistakes on the questionnaire were
intentional or inadvertent. Either way, his emissions deprived the defense
of its constitutional right to probe him for bias. But
don't bet on Jeffrey Epstein's procure winning on this issue.
The author of this article is also the author of
We the Jury, The Jury System, and the Ideal Democracy,
and he's a professor of law and government at the
University of Texas at Austin. So just another perspective for you,
folks to consider another legal voice adding his opinion to
the mix. And really, that's all we can do at
this point, right, get as much information compiled as possible
and try and figure out what's what. So that's what
we're gonna continue to do here. We'll continue to try
and make a little sense of all of this nonsense.
All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this morning's episode.
I will be back later on like usual with an
evening update context episode certainly coming your way in between.
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