Speaker 1: Yo, what is a boys? How's it going? And welcome
Speaker 1: back to another episode of the One Piece Virgin podcast.
Speaker 1: We are so back boys. Today we're covering Fishbed Island,
Speaker 1: the Sawgus, and we will be touching upon the return
Speaker 1: to Sabad after the time skip with us. Today we
Speaker 1: have the One Piece Virgin herself, Poseidon Mythos. How's it going?
Speaker 2: Gamer?
Speaker 3: We are so back. It's been a very long time.
Speaker 3: The holidays I think kept all of us.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're so busy, there's so much going on, but
Speaker 2: that's the point though. That's part of the One Piece
Speaker 2: immersion experience. Once they have a time skip, you got
Speaker 2: to have a time skip, right.
Speaker 1: True, it's true. Also One Piece is a Brazilian episode.
Speaker 1: It's like life happens, you know, like it takes it
Speaker 1: takes years. It takes years. Sometimes they catch up just
Speaker 1: a finish season one.
Speaker 3: Right, They didn't acually say that season one is over.
Speaker 1: Season one is over and you've already watched two years
Speaker 1: worth of content anyway with it. Today we also have
Speaker 1: Jordan the anime Dude, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: My friend? What's up? Everybody? Happy to be here? I'm
Speaker 2: excited for this one. It's been too long?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, poseidon general thoughts on the saga, on the.
Speaker 3: Saga, or you want me to go specific.
Speaker 1: Arcs Okay, return to Saba Odie first, general thoughts, w
Speaker 1: or L.
Speaker 3: I absolutely loved it. Am I able to lump in
Speaker 3: fan Letter in here because I did watch Fants?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yes, I would more than allow that
Speaker 1: because I feel like that's the time it happens. And
Speaker 1: I love the return to or the fan letter.
Speaker 3: So my initial watch of Return to Sabod I thought
Speaker 3: it was fun. It was cool to see each of
Speaker 3: the straw hats kind of come in with their new
Speaker 3: I guess improved what powers and redesigns. But I don't
Speaker 3: think I actually truly loved Return to Saba until I
Speaker 3: finished watching fan Letter.
Speaker 1: I think it made me a pre it like was
Speaker 1: the Cherry on Top a lot more put it all together. Yes,
Speaker 1: I need to rewatch fan Letter. I like refresh my
Speaker 1: memory for Sabodi and fish By Island for this podcast,
Speaker 1: but I need to rewatch fan Letter. I remember when
Speaker 1: I watched it, I was obsessed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan, you.
Speaker 3: Were so good.
Speaker 2: To be honest, you remember that, that's my mind. I
Speaker 2: have not yet watched it you know what, I've not
Speaker 2: sat there and watched it.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Thirty minutes?
Speaker 2: I know, I know I've seen sections, but I haven't.
Speaker 2: I need to sit down and just watch it all.
Speaker 1: I think I agree with Raf and chat fan Letter
Speaker 1: is easily better than the rest of Return to Sabodi.
Speaker 3: I I honestly agree for the return to though, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because like there was a there was a two week break.
Speaker 2: They also did the immersion right, Like they took two
Speaker 2: weeks off of one piece, and then they came back
Speaker 2: and everybody was returning Borrow show up first. That threw
Speaker 2: everything on its head, right, was it?
Speaker 1: Like all the chaos going on on saba ODI's from
Speaker 1: a marine's perspective? I actually don't even remember it. I
Speaker 1: just remember being in love.
Speaker 3: So fan letter it showed kind of like the events
Speaker 3: leading up and during. So there was like a section where, uh,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was a flashback. It showed
Speaker 3: I guess a marine soldier what he was doing during
Speaker 3: Marine forward. So you can see like Cuson's sorry, that's
Speaker 3: not his that's his real name? What's his? Not a
Speaker 3: kind new is it? It's a who's on ice?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 3: Like it shows there we go. It showed him kind
Speaker 3: of in the Battle of Marine Ford, and then from
Speaker 3: the perspective of the other navy that was there, the
Speaker 3: other Marines, And I thought that was really cool. And
Speaker 3: then it showed I guess the perspective of like an admiral,
Speaker 3: not an ad Sorry, I feel like that's too like
Speaker 3: a like an like a captain as well as like
Speaker 3: a fan of Namies. So you kind of get to
Speaker 3: see the events that were unfolding during return to Sabad
Speaker 3: from a different perspective, not from the straw Hats necessarily,
Speaker 3: but just regular people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one thing being like a member of the
Speaker 1: straw Hat and having chaos going around you imagine being
Speaker 1: a normal marine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which it's It shows how like the straw Hats,
Speaker 3: what they kind of mean to each like of those people.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was so funny that the big
Speaker 3: tough captain dude, he was just a huge Chopper fan,
Speaker 3: absolutely loved Popper. And then the marine guy his his
Speaker 3: I believe it, Please regrect me if I'm wrong. He
Speaker 3: appreciates Loofy because Loofy in invertedly saved his brother's life
Speaker 3: because his brother was also in the Marines. During the
Speaker 3: Marine four fight and uh, Loufy doesn't know it, but
Speaker 3: he saved this man's life. So he feels like he
Speaker 3: owes something.
Speaker 1: I feel like me and Jordan are the virgins here
Speaker 1: and I'm hearing this for the first time from an expert.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie you. Notice. I've ran and watched
Speaker 1: One Piece so many times. I only watched this one
Speaker 1: episode when I came out. I need to rewatch it.
Speaker 2: I've only seen that one scene with the brother, so
Speaker 2: that's that's about it. I need to go back and
Speaker 2: watch the whole thing. So you're not wrong.
Speaker 1: Let's dive back into the Return to sava od An.
Speaker 1: He highlights moments you found funny or great, and he
Speaker 1: nippicks anything like that.
Speaker 3: Man, the fake straw hats were something else. They were
Speaker 3: something else, and it made me like, I mean, I
Speaker 3: understand there was Like I was like, Chopper, how do
Speaker 3: you not know? Not the real ones? Oh my goodness,
Speaker 3: who the heck is this?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it shuts them there was Oh my god. One
Speaker 3: of my favorite parts of Return to is when Lufy
Speaker 3: is like backpacking all his stuff. Right, he has a
Speaker 3: hood over his head and he's walking down the square
Speaker 3: and he uses his hockey, I believe on the fake
Speaker 3: straw hats because they're like trying to rile him up
Speaker 3: and try to get in a fight with him, and
Speaker 3: he just uses his Conquerors hockey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wanted to remain low key. Look at this
Speaker 1: for the first time, lufy trying to be low key
Speaker 1: and not get caught and like dodges some attacks and
Speaker 1: then uses hockey is conquers hockey to make them pass
Speaker 1: out and kind of get away without being spotted. Right,
Speaker 1: he's one of alarm people that he's back alive on
Speaker 1: the island. So on and so forth. I had some
Speaker 1: great moments that were more comedic, like just between Zoro
Speaker 1: and Soanjy Zorro constantly referring to Sanjy orfer like Zoro
Speaker 1: was like number one and Sonji was like number like
Speaker 1: seven to show up. I'm making up the numbers. I
Speaker 1: don't remember the actual numbers, but he was referring to
Speaker 1: him as by a number that he showed up. I
Speaker 1: found fucking hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Zoro always gets lost, right, him showing up first
Speaker 2: and then just riding that wave that high for the
Speaker 2: entire arc is uh yeah, is great. And then the
Speaker 2: throwback to uh to Meehawk right first time we saw
Speaker 2: me her Hawk versus first time we see Zoro post
Speaker 2: time skip, they kind of do the same thing.
Speaker 1: So and then the Aul accidentally went to Fishman couldn't
Speaker 1: go to Fishman Island early he got on the wrong ship.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the old man said like, oh, if you want
Speaker 1: to go fishing, go on my boat. And like he
Speaker 1: gets on a gigantic pirate ship and takes a nap
Speaker 1: and then they have it all coated and they're going
Speaker 1: underwater and then he cuts the ship in half with
Speaker 1: a bad ass moment. That was a really really cool
Speaker 1: moment that I liked. Any other moment you guys liked
Speaker 1: to talk about, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I was just saying, that guy's just like Don Creek, right,
Speaker 2: like had their grand line journey cut short just because
Speaker 2: they happened the cross paths with the wrong swordsman on
Speaker 2: the wrong day, right, their ship half too real.
Speaker 3: I loved when Nammy when you see me, she's like
Speaker 3: kind of in a bar and like, if I'm remembering correctly,
Speaker 3: someone was flirting with her and she didn't like it,
Speaker 3: so she used her new weather weather, which I thought
Speaker 3: was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get to see a lot of new things, right.
Speaker 1: We got to see different different outfits but also different
Speaker 1: powers and them and actually flex a little bit with
Speaker 1: their new powers. We got to see Oosop in that
Speaker 1: bar as well use some type of I believe it
Speaker 1: was in that bar that he used by based like
Speaker 1: attack with his slingshot. But we saw Nami use like
Speaker 1: a like a lightning based attack which was really cool
Speaker 1: and like way more powerful than in the past. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the pop greens green.
Speaker 2: Pops he used.
Speaker 1: Man, I have a bad memory. I need to go
Speaker 1: back to rewalking everything before having a conversation with Poseidon.
Speaker 1: This is bad al Kigi who.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there was. There was. Like I said, there
Speaker 2: was a lot in like a very short spurt on
Speaker 2: on Sabad right because we're seeing everybody again, so everybody
Speaker 2: got a little bit of screen time there. M so
Speaker 2: king Brook having a concert, just announcing it. He was
Speaker 2: turned in because he they wanted him to be there, Uh,
Speaker 2: their money maker. He was retiring, right, so he's he's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, No, I'm off to be a pirate.
Speaker 2: Lukey's gonna be king And then he dips out like
Speaker 2: a true rock star. So he was a.
Speaker 3: Superstar celebrity status.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna be honest. I want to hear your
Speaker 1: thoughts on the new forms. I like the new version
Speaker 1: of Rob Robin a lot. I want to hear what
Speaker 1: you think about the new version of Robin compared to
Speaker 1: like her pre time scap because both are great.
Speaker 3: They're great, I think design wise, I really really like
Speaker 3: her Fisherman Island outfit the most. However, I do miss
Speaker 3: her bangs.
Speaker 1: I think like the bangs and and his lobby outfit
Speaker 1: was his peak.
Speaker 3: Though it is the problem, it is, it is, it's
Speaker 3: so so good. I really loved her thriller Bark outfit.
Speaker 3: But it is nice and refreshing to see all of
Speaker 3: them have new designs, Like I really like Gnamy with
Speaker 3: long hair. I think that's cool. I think my face
Speaker 3: redesign or I guess new design out of everybody is
Speaker 3: actually oosop. I think looks awesome.
Speaker 1: It's nice to see him a little bit more muscular
Speaker 1: and Jack, yes, don't worry, he looks. Don't worry, Poseidon
Speaker 1: the Bangs will be back in six hundred episodes, and
Speaker 1: like not even exaggerating, like, in six hundred episodes, we'll
Speaker 1: see bangs again and spoilers. I just it'll keep you watching.
Speaker 3: I believe it's our l BAF design if I'm remembering correctly.
Speaker 1: Damn, how do you know these things?
Speaker 2: I haven't seen Twitter.
Speaker 3: Twitter likes to like to tease me a little bit
Speaker 3: with one piece. I try to scroll past it, but
Speaker 3: if it's Nico Robin, I have.
Speaker 2: To click it. You know that's too true.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a hot take guys,
Speaker 1: but I don't like Frankie's new design.
Speaker 3: I don't either. Oh, I think he's my least favorite.
Speaker 2: But he's customizable. He's able to change his hair at will.
Speaker 2: They were like, yeah, everybody, everybody had their own training
Speaker 2: arcs over the two years, right, and then like that's
Speaker 2: the thing he shows off. He's like press the button,
Speaker 2: all boom, there's hair, and it's like that was what
Speaker 2: you were doing for these two years. Right. Like there's
Speaker 2: other stuff too. He's like, we'll talk about that later,
Speaker 2: but for now, I.
Speaker 1: Just feel like I do like the fact that it's
Speaker 1: customizable the hair, but I just really prefer his old
Speaker 1: hair hairstyle, so like, not only does he have a
Speaker 1: completely different hairstyle and majority of the time but he's
Speaker 1: also like his body is so different too. It just
Speaker 1: really drastic for me and I. He was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite character designs prior.
Speaker 2: I actually do kind of agree with that. I love
Speaker 2: Pree time Skip Frankie. If I had the compare how
Speaker 2: they look? Right?
Speaker 1: So such a bro I don't know, And now he's
Speaker 1: a fucking mecha yea, I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean he's still really cool, but like that, the
Speaker 2: hair can be very silly at times, right, So what's
Speaker 2: how they do it?
Speaker 1: What about Zoro? Anything you notice about Zoro's.
Speaker 3: I is stitched up and explained?
Speaker 1: Why you ready for the sharing Gon and beam atag.
Speaker 3: He's a lot more but a lot more muscular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his boobs got bigger?
Speaker 3: He did it?
Speaker 1: Did they keep on growing? I think his boobs are
Speaker 1: canonically bigger than Robin's, which I am I joking? Is
Speaker 1: that not real or that?
Speaker 2: I mean, it wouldn't surprise me those pecks. He works
Speaker 2: out a lot, right, that's true. He's also wearing like
Speaker 2: a kimono type thing now to show off all the
Speaker 2: scars that we've seen get over the years.
Speaker 1: Like I might be reposting misinformation, but I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Like Oda's really revealed all like they're like like bust
Speaker 1: sizes and Zorrel's was the biggest on the straw Hack crew,
Speaker 1: which I feel like just can't be real because every
Speaker 1: every frame, Robin and Nomalies just get bigger.
Speaker 2: I've gotta say, Oda loves the hourglass figure, So like
Speaker 2: there's gotten bigger over the course of the series. Is
Speaker 2: that old info? Is this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like theirs gets bigger in proportion to their body,
Speaker 1: but like all of Zorol's like shoulders and like waists
Speaker 1: and everything got bigger, So maybe it doesn't look as
Speaker 1: drastic look huge. Oh apparently they're bigger than Hancocks as well.
Speaker 2: Like I could see that maybe being the case at
Speaker 2: this point, but I'm telling you, just as it goes on,
Speaker 2: I think that's the constant and one pieces that the
Speaker 2: boobs get bigger over time. Right, it's a I don't
Speaker 2: it's science. I don't make the rules so that it's life.
Speaker 1: Anyway. Any other things about Saba Odi before we jump
Speaker 1: into the Meat and Potatoes nuts flatback loved.
Speaker 3: Towards the end of the arc, you kind of see
Speaker 3: the characters that were with the straw Hats during the
Speaker 3: two years kind of send them off almost right, you
Speaker 3: see Boa kind of being like bye, lufy, like protecting him.
Speaker 3: Pirona's there, and I just think it's it's a very
Speaker 3: sweet moment, all of them kind of saying goodbye and
Speaker 3: sending them back off to Fishman Island. And I don't
Speaker 3: really sweet moment.
Speaker 2: I don't remember it from the anime, but whenever I
Speaker 2: was rereading of this, like, uh, we saw like Heracles
Speaker 2: and uh the guy that trained us up and the
Speaker 2: Ocamas and uh, the people in the sky Island, they
Speaker 2: all kind of held off the rains a little bit
Speaker 2: as they as they left, right, So a bit of
Speaker 2: a send off there, and then uh, a lot of
Speaker 2: things they talked about from the island they did like
Speaker 2: on the way down, Like there was some info dumps there.
Speaker 2: Do we want to talk about those maybe next.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, there's some cool stuff that happened on the
Speaker 1: way down, some info dumps.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, I mean, good work.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Jinks both can't talk, Okay, any
Speaker 1: any thoughts about Kuma, I guess I could.
Speaker 2: I should say that was like one of the biggest.
Speaker 3: I believe it did get revealed during this time, right,
Speaker 3: that Kuma was not a bad guy.
Speaker 2: He was not.
Speaker 3: He he did what he did at sad to save
Speaker 3: them because if he did not do that, Kisaru would
Speaker 3: have killed all of them.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, he basically saved the crew. And then
Speaker 2: there after that he was able to give himself kind
Speaker 2: of one command to like unconsciously do and he guarded
Speaker 2: the ship until at least one person showed up, right,
Speaker 2: So he uh yeah, that was why the ship was
Speaker 2: still safe after all these years.
Speaker 1: I think in return to so obviously we have that,
Speaker 1: which is really important. Trying to think of any other
Speaker 1: reportant things. The flashback with Raley and Roger is that's.
Speaker 2: Also as that's like as they leave.
Speaker 1: As they leave, do you remember that anything that caught
Speaker 1: your attention there?
Speaker 3: I honestly can't remember that. So if you guys kind
Speaker 3: of want to.
Speaker 1: Go over and help, so we just like Loufy says
Speaker 1: to Raley, I'm going to be King of the Pirates,
Speaker 1: and then I get flashes back to like Goldie Rogers
Speaker 1: saying that to Railey, and yeah, Roger is wearing something
Speaker 1: something that Loofy wears. Roger's wearing the same looking straw
Speaker 1: hat or the same straw hat like.
Speaker 2: Of that, right, it's like a crown of some sorts.
Speaker 1: It's correct me if I'm wrong, is that the first
Speaker 1: time we see Roger in a straw hat.
Speaker 3: I honestly cannot recall him wearing like a straw hat
Speaker 3: before this, so it probably is.
Speaker 1: Apparently he has it like in an opening, but this
Speaker 1: is the first time in the show. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like we see it, and I feel like that's that's
Speaker 1: big because we know Shanks gave it to Loofy and
Speaker 1: now we know that somehow Roger had it before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, either that or it was just a huge fashion
Speaker 2: trend back then, right.
Speaker 1: And that back in the day, Back in the day,
Speaker 1: straw hats were in. But Shanks also did say, just
Speaker 1: so you know this beside him, Shanks did say that
Speaker 1: before he wore it somewhat important wore that straw hat.
Speaker 1: That was Goldie Roger, damn. So I still think that
Speaker 1: straw hat is the one.
Speaker 2: Piece they throw so much at you so quick time
Speaker 2: over right, So it's like this is all even before
Speaker 2: they get the Fishman Island.
Speaker 1: It has also been two months since we've done this podcast,
Speaker 1: so we're helping each other and refreshing each other's each
Speaker 1: other's right here.
Speaker 2: And it's probably been about that long since you watched it,
Speaker 2: right Besidon, So it's uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's been a hot it's un a hot minute.
Speaker 3: Just to be completely transparent with you, guys, I am
Speaker 3: currently in the middle of Punk Hazard.
Speaker 2: So oh damn yeah.
Speaker 3: I uh, I'll get to it once we talk more
Speaker 3: about Fishman Island. I suppose I.
Speaker 1: Think we do the rest of Fishman Island, or as
Speaker 1: much as Fishman Island you want to cover today, and
Speaker 1: then we'll do a whole episode on Punk Hazard when
Speaker 1: we get there.
Speaker 3: Yes, I actually think we can probably cover all of
Speaker 3: Fishman Island today because I really think that the amount
Speaker 3: of content that was in Fishman Island did not need
Speaker 3: to take as long as it needed to.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you have that opinion because I like Fishman Island,
Speaker 1: but fun act this so remember I've been complaining about pacing. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is a point where it gets worse and continues
Speaker 1: to get worse because there was fifty six chapters in
Speaker 1: the Fishman or the Fishman Island saga. There's fifty seven episodes,
Speaker 1: meaning about one chapter an episode, which is not typical crazy,
Speaker 1: not typical.
Speaker 2: Friend, not at all. So yeah, it's it's like it's
Speaker 2: it's a pretty quick arc when you read it. But
Speaker 2: I do remember watching it and just thinking, like the
Speaker 2: time the flashbacks in particular, right, I'm like, man, these
Speaker 2: are kind of taken forever, like forgetting everybody's story, right,
Speaker 2: We're getting all sides to the story. So I don't
Speaker 2: know what we were overall about.
Speaker 1: I guess let's hear some general thoughts.
Speaker 3: I really really really do not want to put this
Speaker 3: arc as my least favorite, but because of the pacing,
Speaker 3: I think it made it really really not fun for
Speaker 3: me to watch. I actually absolutely loved the lore that
Speaker 3: had like was dropped during this you know saga, and
Speaker 3: I really loved how it almost kind of I don't
Speaker 3: want to say justified, right, but gave a reason as
Speaker 3: to why Arlong is the way he is, and it
Speaker 3: almost puts gives you like a different perspective on the world.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: This is coming from a race of people who have
Speaker 3: been discriminated against basically for their entire lives, and now
Speaker 3: we get to kind of see, you know, things from
Speaker 3: their perspective, which I really enjoyed. However, I think this
Speaker 3: arc definitely burnt me out of one piece for a
Speaker 3: little bit. I remember I was I had to like
Speaker 3: force myself to sit down to watch this arc, and
Speaker 3: I did not have a lot of fun because I
Speaker 3: was actually having this conversation with a friend. I don't
Speaker 3: mind having long arcs as long as it's it's fun
Speaker 3: and I feel like it's like moments are not wasted,
Speaker 3: which is why I really enjoyed Water seven and and
Speaker 3: He's Lobby saga because it is a pretty long saga,
Speaker 3: but because I felt like each episode had its own
Speaker 3: purpose and I didn't mind the length. However, I don't
Speaker 3: feel the same way about Fishman Island.
Speaker 1: Well, get ready for Dress Rosa.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm very sick myself.
Speaker 1: If you ever want to get into one pace or
Speaker 1: one of those versions or the manga, now might be
Speaker 1: the time because I'm gonna be honest, Fishman Island ain't
Speaker 1: even that bad. Me wrong.
Speaker 2: Chress Roasa's where I dropped the end. I just start reading.
Speaker 1: Dress Rosa is where I started watching. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: Jordans Ross is where I started reading it as well,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people did it, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's fucked. Dress Rosa is actually like one
Speaker 1: of the best starts in the series.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's so good. It's Yeah, I didn't dislike it.
Speaker 2: I just that's where I was just like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna read it instead. So I'm curious, have
Speaker 2: you watched one pace around that time or or thereafter breaks?
Speaker 1: Because I got the whole cake, so that would mean yes, no.
Speaker 2: Yes, I had never watched one pace until recently. I
Speaker 2: rewatched the East Blue saga and it felt so much faster.
Speaker 1: Than one Pace does a good job. It literally only
Speaker 1: shows what's in the manga. It does a great job.
Speaker 1: I know. People say, oh, the cuts are jarring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what else is jarring? The forty five seconds
Speaker 1: they did it between the cut that was not didn't
Speaker 1: add any context.
Speaker 2: The five minute recamp at the start of every episode.
Speaker 1: Dude, it's not even that matter. Like I swear, they'll
Speaker 1: take one panel and they'll turn it into fucking a minute.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that was one panel that was a singular moment.
Speaker 1: I know anime's supposed to elongate things, but it's the
Speaker 1: entire animal doesn't have the fucking gumbo gooboo no me.
Speaker 5: Right right, So anyway, I'm hoping you got the breaking
Speaker 5: you there, Posidon, because yeah, I think we all go
Speaker 5: through that aead of times when you're watching through something
Speaker 5: right and it like feels like.
Speaker 2: It drags a bit. So yeah, as far as takeaways
Speaker 2: that you might have enjoyed from this arc.
Speaker 5: Were the the favorite parts.
Speaker 3: I actually absolutely loved almost kind of like the different
Speaker 3: die there was. I felt like there was a split
Speaker 3: in fish Man Island where there were like, you know,
Speaker 3: the fish people who kind of did want to have,
Speaker 3: you know, equality with everyone, and then you have the
Speaker 3: other half where they're like, no, they treated us horribly.
Speaker 3: We need to, you know, stay separate from them. So
Speaker 3: I love kind of how it went back and forth
Speaker 3: where Queen Odehime she stood for let's try to, you know,
Speaker 3: bridge the gap between us and the humans, whereas there's
Speaker 3: Fishman like uh Hody Jones where he was just like, no,
Speaker 3: I hate the humans. They need to be eradicated, and
Speaker 3: we were stronger than them, so we need to take
Speaker 3: over type of things. So I really liked that part
Speaker 3: of the arc as well, as we did get some
Speaker 3: huge lore drops. There is a phonoglyph down in Fishmont
Speaker 3: Island where Robin was investigating and trying to find out
Speaker 3: what it had said. So overall, thoughts, I really loved
Speaker 3: the characters. I loved Shia Hoshi and her family. I
Speaker 3: loved the visuals. It's very, very colorful. However, I think
Speaker 3: one of my least favorite things during this arc was
Speaker 3: actually Hody Jones. I thought he was a very one
Speaker 3: of the more weaker villains, at least to me comparatively to.
Speaker 2: I will say, like just the feom a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of Hody Jones either, but
Speaker 2: I do like at least what they did thematically with
Speaker 2: the arc where we got a lot more context about
Speaker 2: Arlong and kind of why he is the way that
Speaker 2: he is, right, So it's it's kind of warning about
Speaker 2: like the dangers of the cycles of hatred and then
Speaker 2: like inheriting hatred. Right, So it's like Arlong had those
Speaker 2: personal experiences that like led to his hatred of humans
Speaker 2: or like racism, specism, whatever you want to say. Hody
Speaker 2: just kind of idolized like Arlong and those boys, and
Speaker 2: he inherited it without ever experiencing any any of that
Speaker 2: for himself, right. So, so I like what they did
Speaker 2: there with it, but it does make him a lot
Speaker 2: less compelling of a character, right, You don't really, He's
Speaker 2: just kind of an a whole.
Speaker 5: So yeah.
Speaker 1: I also just feel like whenever there's a relatively like
Speaker 1: weaker or slightly worse villain, people hate on the entirety
Speaker 1: of the arc. They do that with Drum Island because
Speaker 1: of Woppole, They do that with Bartier because of Don Krieg,
Speaker 1: and they do that with fish Ben Island because of
Speaker 1: Hody Jones. But I think all these arcs, while I
Speaker 1: agree that the villain might not be the best, Drum
Speaker 1: Island has some amazing and heartfelt moments. It does Bartier
Speaker 1: think of Zorol versus me Hawk and the oath that
Speaker 1: Zorrel puts to Loofy and Loufy's like kind of fight
Speaker 1: without fear, and like it's like a Soanji's backstory and
Speaker 1: him being inspired and like the relationship between him and
Speaker 1: zeph There's so much that goes in Broughty, and I
Speaker 1: just don't want people to shut down arcs because they
Speaker 1: don't like Don Creek. It's like, there's so much more
Speaker 1: to it, and I know it's not doing that. I'm
Speaker 1: more just saying that in general, same with Loofy carrying
Speaker 1: Gnami and Soanjy in his mouth and on his back
Speaker 1: while climbing a ten thousand or a thousand foot straight
Speaker 1: up cliff in the blizzard while it's frostbite in fucking
Speaker 1: flip flops and oh my god, Like there's so many
Speaker 1: moments that make one piece what it is, and they're like,
Speaker 1: but wopple bed therefore arc bed. It's like, no, this
Speaker 1: arc is fucking amazing.
Speaker 2: I'll throw another defense in there for Ody Jones. Right,
Speaker 2: Ody Jones is bad, but he's no vander Decker, right, Like, but.
Speaker 1: They're both in the same arc, Jordan, they're both in
Speaker 1: the mark.
Speaker 2: But you know, you know, if you had to choose
Speaker 2: one right Decker like, well, he was obsessed with Cheerosi,
Speaker 2: which I can't blame him, but like he went too
Speaker 2: far right, So.
Speaker 1: I think Hody Jones serves his purpose. And the fact
Speaker 1: that like Lufi got the flex and show all his
Speaker 1: like coop power ups and same with the crew while
Speaker 1: at the same time kind of like how do I
Speaker 1: say this? It's like we got to see their flexes
Speaker 1: right after a time skip, but also getting the lower
Speaker 1: of Fishman Island and other things within the One Piece world,
Speaker 1: and like Poseidon said, the relationship with like fish men's
Speaker 1: and humans, we get all that and that's all good,
Speaker 1: and Hody Jones doesn't need to be directly connected while
Speaker 1: he is. As Jordan mentioned, I do think even in
Speaker 1: our society today, it's like it's crazy how racism and
Speaker 1: hatred and whatever it may be can be passed down
Speaker 1: from generation to generation with people that never really like
Speaker 1: aren't going to experience it the same as Arlong did
Speaker 1: right like no, like Hody didn't really have interactions with
Speaker 1: people or negative interactions, but because of how he was raised,
Speaker 1: he grew up with in his heart right and then
Speaker 1: he is now spreading it. I think it just he
Speaker 1: does a great job with that. I don't see that
Speaker 1: from a lot of other villains in One Piece that
Speaker 1: are great for other reasons. Just because he's weak doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily mean he's bad. He was a bad villain, but
Speaker 1: I feel like he was meant to be bad, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense, or maybe I'm missing soda Glazer, dude,
Speaker 1: I fucking glaze. I'm like, this is bad because he
Speaker 1: wanted it to be.
Speaker 3: I think I'm more so like comparing I guess I guess. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it came to Crocodile and do Flamingo, and like all
Speaker 3: these other villains feel like they have like a plan
Speaker 3: and they're calculated and everything like that. So when we
Speaker 3: got when I got to Hodi, I was just like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: it's just a guy who hates humans, you know, It's
Speaker 3: not really much more than that, which is why I
Speaker 3: was just kind of like, Eh, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 3: the hugest fan of Hodi. I think though the backstory
Speaker 3: with like the other fishmen made it make sense, I suppose.
Speaker 3: But I think one of my actual favorite characters that
Speaker 3: like new characters from this arc is actually Fisher Tiger.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I think he is such a great character and it
Speaker 3: made me. I think the only time I cried during
Speaker 3: this arc was when he died and he was telling
Speaker 3: all his crew please do not like tell anybody how
Speaker 3: I died. The hatred ends with our generation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's such a contrast to Hodie. Like, dude, he
Speaker 1: still hated humans, but he didn't want others to hate
Speaker 1: humans for how he died, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: Yesh.
Speaker 1: So Fish Tiger is your favor, that's great.
Speaker 3: I think he's a great character and that was the
Speaker 3: only time I cried during this arc was during that
Speaker 3: episode where he did get I believe he did get
Speaker 3: shot right when Yeah, and you.
Speaker 2: Refuse the blood transfusion, right, which, uh yeah, which is
Speaker 2: huge for you know that that tradition kind of got
Speaker 2: passed along and became a bit of a taboo, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was so symbolic whenever Jim Bay uh you know,
Speaker 2: let his blood be transfused into loofy. Right. So, along
Speaker 2: with some silly moments like like Sonji needing blood transfusions lately,
Speaker 2: it was a lot of blood.
Speaker 1: Can I say something here real quick, guys. I feel
Speaker 1: like when I first watched this arc, I had a
Speaker 1: similar opinion to Poseidon, and so does so many people.
Speaker 1: But as one past Blazers, we need to like. The
Speaker 1: more I talk about it on podcasts, the more I realize,
Speaker 1: like or maybe I convinced myself that all these characters
Speaker 1: are good. Someone in chat has said something, Pokin, I
Speaker 1: gotta read this. The drugs used to get more power
Speaker 1: was cool to see the short that shortcuts don't give results.
Speaker 1: I just feel like everything about Holy's character is bad,
Speaker 1: like the shortcuts, right.
Speaker 2: I think he's unlikable. I don't think he's saying.
Speaker 1: Unlikable and there's like these negative aspects of him as
Speaker 1: a person, and I feel like that almost makes him
Speaker 1: a good character to get shipped on by Loofy. I'm dude,
Speaker 1: I'm Hoy Jones top tiers.
Speaker 3: It's literally just the embodiment of hate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in person, he wasn't. It's crazy that it was
Speaker 1: like hate passed down. It's nuts.
Speaker 2: He fits in thematically with what like kind of what
Speaker 2: this arc needed, even if he's not, like, if you
Speaker 2: take him in isolation, he's not gonna impress anybody, right, So.
Speaker 1: So many negatives make a positive, you know.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly one thing I want to make sure we
Speaker 2: touch on though I know I I think I brought
Speaker 2: it up at the end of the last podcast, but
Speaker 2: I said, this is Poseidon's arc. Yes, what did you
Speaker 2: think about? It is the arc of Poseidon.
Speaker 3: That reveal had me on, like my jaw on the
Speaker 3: floor because I did not expect so Okay, I was
Speaker 3: actually talking about this on a stream previously and somebody
Speaker 3: had told me I was like interpreting it wrong, and
Speaker 3: I'm very, very convinced that it's not the case. So
Speaker 3: if SHEI ra Hoshi, the ancient weapon presided she is
Speaker 3: y yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Like you're pointing at each other, You're like, that's that's me.
Speaker 2: That's okay.
Speaker 3: Because someone was saying that Sidon's actually the Dad, and
Speaker 3: I was just like no, because I understand Neptune. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's Neptune. So that's Roman. That's a romant thing. But
Speaker 3: I from my understanding, so the ancient weapon that Robin
Speaker 3: was reading about on the Pony Glyph was that there
Speaker 3: is going to be a mermaid who is going to
Speaker 3: have the ability to communicate and control the c Kings
Speaker 3: in the ocean, and they are dangerous, and that is
Speaker 3: she or Hoshi, which she explains why she kind of
Speaker 3: is a lot different than her siblings. She's one very big,
Speaker 3: and two she's just she just has this mysterious power
Speaker 3: like you see in the flashbacks where I guess we
Speaker 3: can talk about this or O Tahime's assassination. Right, She's
Speaker 3: crying and all of a sudden, the sea Kings just
Speaker 3: kind of come over to Fishman Island and are ready
Speaker 3: to destroy the entire place. So I thought that was
Speaker 3: very interesting that this weapon isn't necessarily a physical thing.
Speaker 3: It's in a person. It's a person and it's her.
Speaker 3: So I thought that was insane. I did not expect.
Speaker 3: I thought it would have been like a cannon or something,
Speaker 3: or something buried under all the rubbule or something like that.
Speaker 3: So I think it's super cool that it ended up
Speaker 3: being a person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, how she's such a cool character, right, it
Speaker 2: is she.
Speaker 1: Is and does a good job, because, like you, how
Speaker 1: boring would it be if it was just like three
Speaker 1: random weapons, like just oh, it's something married Yeah, like
Speaker 1: it's something lost in time and it was just an
Speaker 1: old machinery made because they had better science or something
Speaker 1: like or or or or some old stuff that was
Speaker 1: lost and forgotten and kind of hidden because of the
Speaker 1: void's entry or but even before it, Like I think
Speaker 1: just having these twists that he always that it always
Speaker 1: does is just so good.
Speaker 3: It's so so so good, which explains why her dad
Speaker 3: like locked her up, which was like there was one
Speaker 3: I forgot his name. I hated this carrier vander Decken. Yeah,
Speaker 3: fuck that guy.
Speaker 2: I said, you might just like Hody, but at least
Speaker 2: he's no Vanderdecken or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Vancan was just weird because the pedal she is
Speaker 3: she was. He was he was praying on Shira Ho sheis,
Speaker 3: and she was like a child. She was like six
Speaker 3: or whatever. She was very very young.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. Like, until I was reviewing for
Speaker 2: this arc, I just like kind of blocked him out
Speaker 2: of my memory.
Speaker 3: I heard her, honestly valid, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I remember, Like he's actually a thing, Like I just
Speaker 2: forgot about him.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know how Neptune didn't kill that dude.
Speaker 3: I mean either was Like.
Speaker 1: I know he's older now, but he's pretty strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Bender Decker Bender Deck's pretty strong as well,
Speaker 2: right like, and he's uh able to be a threat
Speaker 2: from from a very far distance away. So we see
Speaker 2: Shia Ho, she's u power kind of awakened and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Because he throws that ancient arc Noah at you know,
Speaker 2: at the island right or at her and uh, I
Speaker 2: don't remember all the specifics around that, but I guess.
Speaker 1: That's my least favorite part about this arc is the
Speaker 1: fact now thinking back, like Neptune and the all the brothers,
Speaker 1: the brothers let that fucking that creepy pedophile live. They
Speaker 1: should have pulled up find him.
Speaker 3: That's what I would have done. I would have I
Speaker 3: would have killed him on the spot.
Speaker 2: But we needed him for the Noah. Joy Boy, lord drop, Okay,
Speaker 2: are going to get Noah all the way there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Can you remind me about so obviously we saw
Speaker 1: the Noah. Do we know what was said on the
Speaker 1: pony glyph in Fishman Island?
Speaker 3: I I'm trying to remember mainly about the weapon, right
Speaker 3: and then oh oh h joy Boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's still a little foggy for me as well.
Speaker 3: Something about an apology, right, like something apologizing about something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he apologized on the pony glyph and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But it had something to do with h Like he
Speaker 2: had promised the princess that had previously had that Poseidon
Speaker 2: power to do something with the arc. I don't, I
Speaker 2: don't quite remember the details, but like he hadn't he
Speaker 2: wasn't quite able to fulfill that problem.
Speaker 1: Or like the promise of bringing them to the surface.
Speaker 2: Or to the surface. Yeah, it was very similar in
Speaker 2: parallel to the promise that Lufy makes to share Hoshi. Right.
Speaker 1: So, do we have any theories about joy Boy or
Speaker 1: the arc or something that Fishman Island may have triggered
Speaker 1: in you?
Speaker 3: So from my understanding. I almost kind of see a
Speaker 3: parallel between Joey Boy and Loofy. The way I kind
Speaker 3: of interpreted is like, is history repeating itself? Like is
Speaker 3: whatever happened during the Void century, is this just going
Speaker 3: to happen again within you know, the current time. In
Speaker 3: one way, maybe that's kind of how I interpreted it.
Speaker 3: I'm not entirely sure though, but it was. I think
Speaker 3: this was the first time they mentioned a character named
Speaker 3: joy Boy. But yeah, all I know is that he's
Speaker 3: a guy, he was powerful, he did something during the
Speaker 3: Boy's entry, and that's all we really know.
Speaker 1: I just thought we'd gotten something about joy Boy and
Speaker 1: Fishman in Skypia. But I think I was wrong. Who
Speaker 1: signed the pond and glyph in Skypea Goldie Rogers.
Speaker 2: Gee, Roger did it in Skypeia. But like the way
Speaker 2: they kind of connect is uh, Robin said she read
Speaker 2: on the one in Skypea that that there was an
Speaker 2: ancient weapon in Fishman Island, right, So I was talking
Speaker 2: about Sureshi and that it would be like a So
Speaker 2: like Robin knew a little bit about that. I don't
Speaker 2: know if we knew as an audience.
Speaker 1: But that's that's there. Being so many episodes, like how
Speaker 1: I've watched the entire show, read the entire show, and
Speaker 1: I'm still forgetting things. I'm like, did Goldie Rogers sign
Speaker 1: that pony Glyph? Or was it gold was a joy boy?
Speaker 3: I know there's a connection, right, Yeah, I believe it
Speaker 3: was Goldie Roger if I'm remembering. They were wondering how
Speaker 3: he even got up there?
Speaker 2: Man could jump yet hops.
Speaker 1: Also, I didn't make a correction. Goldie Roger never said
Speaker 1: I'm going to be King of the Pirates. It was
Speaker 1: just when when Lufi said that it were minded greatly
Speaker 1: of of Roger. Right, he never said I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: King of the Pirates. That didn't exist until he made
Speaker 1: it a thing.
Speaker 2: He set the precedent, right, So.
Speaker 1: What any cool moments, really cooler fun moments or badass
Speaker 1: moments about the actual fight toward the end.
Speaker 3: Of the arc, can I be honest?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I did not like the fights in this arc.
Speaker 2: Damn, this is so it wasn't like Robins, this is
Speaker 2: double Robin. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I think it was like the fights felt
Speaker 3: a little weak because it just it didn't feel dynamic
Speaker 3: enough for me. I suppose I think it was more
Speaker 3: there to like. Its purpose was to show off the
Speaker 3: powers of the straw hats. You see Robin kind of
Speaker 3: have more mastery over her deble throuit sogy can just
Speaker 3: walk on air now, yeah, for whatever reason. And by
Speaker 3: one of my favorite scenes and it's so stupid is
Speaker 3: kind of almost like that flashback to Sonjy where he
Speaker 3: was during the two years and him just running away
Speaker 3: from all all the guys on that one are gals
Speaker 3: sorry on that one island, and then it showed like
Speaker 3: a like a sequencer no, it was actually no, yeah,
Speaker 3: And then there was like the one brook sequence where
Speaker 3: it was just dancing for however long that felt like forever.
Speaker 3: But I thought that was funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, but we got to see Frankie and a cyborg
Speaker 1: see I'm about I'm about that ship.
Speaker 3: I thought that was cool.
Speaker 1: Oh what about Loofy's powers? Any cool Loofy powers? He liked.
Speaker 3: I like that he's being able to use his hockey
Speaker 3: more like. He looks like he's a lot more confident
Speaker 3: in it's fighting. It's a lot more like because I
Speaker 3: would know that previously, right, Lufy was a type of
Speaker 3: character that just was like, fuck it, We're just gonna
Speaker 3: go in, but it almost seems like Loofy is a
Speaker 3: lot more calculated with how he attacks. But I don't
Speaker 3: know if I have like any particular moments of like
Speaker 3: this arc that I'm like, you know, that was awesome
Speaker 3: with fighting, but.
Speaker 1: I have a few.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: The biggest one I think is the fact that there
Speaker 2: was like one hundred thousand fishmen or whatever, and yeah, right.
Speaker 1: The observation hockey on fifty thousand people is crazy, and
Speaker 1: like the casual push aside of both Zoro and and Sundry,
Speaker 1: and then Zoro was like, well if he didn't do
Speaker 1: at least that he couldn't be my captain. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for some like like small like one
Speaker 1: piece like lines like that. I liked that Loofy used
Speaker 1: a firefist attack after his brother underwater, which totally makes sense.
Speaker 1: There was that you get to see the actual umman
Speaker 1: hockey on his like gear three attacks. There's so many
Speaker 1: little things that I just appreciate. I like this arc.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it.
Speaker 2: I liked the argument he had with Jim Bay a
Speaker 2: little bit, like I remember him saying, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a hero, right, Heroes would
Speaker 2: share their meat. I want all the meat.
Speaker 1: But like that, that's so good.
Speaker 2: Jis explained more about Loofy, right, we could understand his
Speaker 2: philosophy where his head's at. He's not a hero, right,
Speaker 2: He's just him.
Speaker 1: So I mean that also adds to Poseidon's thoughts on
Speaker 1: the arc, and like the relations between fish men and humans,
Speaker 1: Jim Bay wanted Loofy to be a symbol that humans
Speaker 1: are okay, humans can be heroes and Lufy's like, no,
Speaker 1: fuck that not because not because I'm not a good person,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to be a hero. I'm a pirate.
Speaker 1: Heroes share their meat. I want all the meat. And
Speaker 1: it was hilarious, shows you how Loofy is like Jordan's said.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Jim Bay's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's still okay because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they'll see you. They'll still see you as a savior.
Speaker 1: As long as I play things right. He's gonna save
Speaker 1: the island the way the same way he says people
Speaker 1: in Alabasta. He saved people in every arc, or in
Speaker 1: so many arcs.
Speaker 3: Can I mention something I know it's a little off topic,
Speaker 3: go for it? Can I mention? There's this one character
Speaker 3: I absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2: You love you're talking about Cariboo.
Speaker 3: This is I ain't why did it? They just kill him?
Speaker 1: I swear he's back at the end of her maga
Speaker 1: again too.
Speaker 3: No tell me you're lying, because I would. I'm hoping.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I hope he dies.
Speaker 1: You can't get rid of.
Speaker 2: He's gonna hate it when Cariboo joins the straw Hats.
Speaker 2: To stand out, Jim bays, I.
Speaker 1: Would ionically rather Cariboo join the straw Hat than some
Speaker 1: characters that people want to join the straw Hats, which
Speaker 1: I can't I guess I can't say because they're spoilers.
Speaker 1: But you know, some of them.
Speaker 2: Have such a tragic character.
Speaker 1: Dude, imagine a TSN turning point. Imagine where you get
Speaker 1: a Caribou redemption arc or he just continues to be.
Speaker 2: I don't know, put yourself in his shoes, right, like
Speaker 2: put yourself in his shoes. This man jumps the straw Hats, valorous, courageous,
Speaker 2: like he is willing to take them on, right. He
Speaker 2: jumps forward, leading the charge and then move move, you know,
Speaker 2: throw back to Arlong Park gets scared, runs away. He's stranded.
Speaker 2: It's just him versus all the straw hats, right, so
Speaker 2: he has to go low key and then he has
Speaker 2: to see the ship, his pirate ship with his brother.
Speaker 2: It just gets grabbed by a crack and destroyed. They all,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they're all dead, like this man went through.
Speaker 3: It, right.
Speaker 2: This was a crazy art for Cariboo.
Speaker 1: He has the next cover story and it's low key
Speaker 1: Redemption Act. There's no way, my boy, my goats. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I get mad when people mess with Shira Hoshi. I
Speaker 2: wish he didn't do that. But like, aside from that.
Speaker 1: You know what, I get it. Beside it, obviously, there's
Speaker 1: the moment in Fishine Island where he just like absorbs
Speaker 1: a bunch of fish mermaids just to sell them. He's
Speaker 1: a piece of ship. Yeah he's a villain, but oh sorry, ahead,
Speaker 1: nothing better than a villain that uh somehow has a
Speaker 1: redemption arc.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I you know, I I honestly hope so,
Speaker 3: because I absolutely hate him right now, I think we
Speaker 3: should talk about we did get some up like updates
Speaker 3: about what the heck's been going on in the world.
Speaker 3: As outside of Fishman Island, we do find out that
Speaker 3: a Kaiu is now the Fleet Admiral of the Marines
Speaker 3: and al Kig and him were fighting over the position,
Speaker 3: and al Kig ended up losing and Alkigi leaves the Marines.
Speaker 4: Yeahane, it was crazy, Yeah, yeah, and it makes me
Speaker 4: sad because I think between both of those characters, I
Speaker 4: think Alkigi would be a better leader.
Speaker 3: Is just a you know at least. But the way
Speaker 3: I see Alkig, right, he's kind of like in that
Speaker 3: gray zone where he almost kind of doesn't see like
Speaker 3: privates is that bad as opposed to kin He's like
Speaker 3: pirates are all bad because you see him even let
Speaker 3: let Robin go when she was a child. He let
Speaker 3: her go.
Speaker 1: I feel like he let her live. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: Al Kanu or yeah, did I say his name different
Speaker 1: every time?
Speaker 3: I think it's I don't know, it's one of those two.
Speaker 1: She's like absolute justice, absolute Marine justice. Anyone that opposes
Speaker 1: the Marines is bad, and I will do anything and
Speaker 1: sacrifice anything to accomplish the goals of the Marines in
Speaker 1: the world government. While like Alkigi is more of a
Speaker 1: actual person with like varying beliefs and like we'll have
Speaker 1: some gray area and see people as people and not
Speaker 1: as you're a pirate. You're bad. The world government hates,
Speaker 1: so you're bad. And like he kind of I feel
Speaker 1: like he's so powerful and so chill and so lazy
Speaker 1: that he kind of just like does what he wants
Speaker 1: while also doing his job.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're both good characters in different ways. Obviously, I would
Speaker 1: have preferred al Kigi to be to have one as
Speaker 1: well and been the leader. I think that'd been cool.
Speaker 1: But it's also cool to see what he does now.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we also did get an update, so black Beard
Speaker 3: does become an emperor now he does fill in that spot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: white Beard and he is now him and his crew
Speaker 3: have been hunting Devil for users, right, They're trying to
Speaker 3: take their powers for themselves, and I think that's very
Speaker 3: very dangerous. That's really scary. So yeah, black Beard's a mess.
Speaker 3: He is, and it's not I don't it didn't. I
Speaker 3: don't know how he takes the Devil for powers, and
Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to know. Right up until this point,
Speaker 3: I don't know how he does it.
Speaker 2: I do, I don't think, I don't think. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's said up to this point, right.
Speaker 1: There's so many things that you've talked about in the
Speaker 1: theorized and I'm just like, I don't know either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I don't think at this point we would
Speaker 2: we would know, right.
Speaker 1: And we're what you're what ups are you on? In?
Speaker 2: Me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: In Punk Hazard? Where are you at?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: I just got to I just finished episode six to.
Speaker 1: One, six o one. You're still yeah, what percent? Are
Speaker 1: you fifty percent? Are we twelve hundred? Yet we're twelve something, right?
Speaker 1: I know we were in the eleven hundreds for sure.
Speaker 1: You might be over the fifty percent mark.
Speaker 3: I know that's crazy. I'm actually getting through Punk Hazard
Speaker 3: pretty uh. I mean, we'll talk about it next episode,
Speaker 3: I'm sure, helly, But I will say I actually really
Speaker 3: really enjoyed Punk Haszard. I think Punk Hazard's a good arc,
Speaker 3: and I'm excited to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, she's excited.
Speaker 1: We're at one and ninety roughly or elevens Oh no,
Speaker 1: it was after eleven seventy four. See, you're over the
Speaker 1: halfway point for sure, which is kind of like it's
Speaker 1: crazy that, oh my god, you're so far. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, It's like we've been doing this podcast
Speaker 1: for a long time. You've watched six hundred episodes of
Speaker 1: anime and we're talking about, oh, she's above the fifty
Speaker 1: percent park, Like what is truly that? Like Iceberg meme,
Speaker 1: where like there's always so much more underneath the surf
Speaker 1: below sea level.
Speaker 3: My goal for twenty twenty six is to get caught
Speaker 3: up with one Piece.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: It is my goal, and I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 3: it because most of my friends that I have, like
Speaker 3: my IRL friend group, they are all caught up in
Speaker 3: one Piece. I am like one of the only people
Speaker 3: in my friend group that aren't there yet. So every
Speaker 3: time I talk to them, they're like, side are you?
Speaker 3: Are you getting through it? We really really want to
Speaker 3: talk to you about this, And I'm just like, don't
Speaker 3: say anything yet. I am getting through it.
Speaker 1: That's the hardy part of the better. I'm yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not caught up, Jordan, where are you?
Speaker 2: It's been a couple of years for me, Like I
Speaker 2: was midway through uh An our Cold Eggheads whenever I
Speaker 2: finish reading, but I need to go back and like
Speaker 2: reread in its entirety because that was in week the week.
Speaker 1: I have a thought process. If you're if the next
Speaker 1: arc after the arc you're on isn't done yet, you
Speaker 1: actually really haven't missed much, because like.
Speaker 2: I like the bit rebinge through like an arc in
Speaker 2: its entirety there after because then it like it sticks better,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like I struggled going week the weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean not to be a spoil but we spent
Speaker 1: a whole year of reading the manga without really seeing
Speaker 1: Loofy because of a flashback, right, a singular flashback could
Speaker 1: take months.
Speaker 2: So you like that fish was going right, the next.
Speaker 1: Arc after the one you're on, Jordan like isn't done yet,
Speaker 1: so you really haven't missed that much.
Speaker 2: Let's go. That's why I'm not behind behind, but I
Speaker 2: am behind right, So I'll catch up one day. We'll
Speaker 2: see for the podcast.
Speaker 1: Are they longer?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are your friends manger readers or anime only?
Speaker 3: They're actually both.
Speaker 2: Let's go culture.
Speaker 3: I think they're caught up with the manga now, but
Speaker 3: they watch the anime as the anime comes out.
Speaker 1: Well, they're they're bigger fans than us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, that's all the yup about. I cannot be
Speaker 3: in the same room as them because I don't want
Speaker 3: to hear what they're talking.
Speaker 2: I'll watch like some newer episodes because I hear it
Speaker 2: has like really good animation or something, so like i'll
Speaker 2: go watch bits and pieces and stuff. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: I haven't kept up with the anime since uh dress
Speaker 2: Rosa right as far as like every episode.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I'm probably there with you, Jordan, like
Speaker 1: I watched a good amount on stream and stuff, but
Speaker 1: like I read the manga religiously, I'll fall behind like
Speaker 1: four or five chapters, maybe six chapters max. But then
Speaker 1: like if an episode comes out every now and then,
Speaker 1: I'll just watch it if I hear like hype about it,
Speaker 1: even though I haven't watched the last twenty just because
Speaker 1: I know I've read the manga. I know what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, the arcs are so long and
Speaker 2: like they're so but they're still so put together. Well
Speaker 2: yeah that like I just have to like reread it
Speaker 2: there after, Like I said, even rereading arcs for this podcast, right, like,
Speaker 2: I feel like I noticed so many things where there's
Speaker 2: like a vibe to each arc right where it's just
Speaker 2: it's telling the the ebb and flow of like a
Speaker 2: singular island story, and I don't know, experiencing get together
Speaker 2: is better than week the week in my opinion.
Speaker 1: We need to get beside the whole cake asap so
Speaker 1: that I could finish my wad phone.
Speaker 3: We did get introduced to the Big Mom Pirates, which
Speaker 3: I think is very very important tribute.
Speaker 2: They do gangsters.
Speaker 3: They show up to part of her crew or two
Speaker 3: of her crew show up to to fish one island
Speaker 3: because they make the best candy and they don't have
Speaker 3: the candy. So Lufi is on the the phone with
Speaker 3: them male phone forget the name already, and then and goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I ate.
Speaker 1: The candy, takes the blame and tells her.
Speaker 3: He takes the blame and tells her off and almost
Speaker 3: wages basically wages war against her and her crew.
Speaker 2: It's what he do.
Speaker 3: And uh threatens to take over her spot as emperor.
Speaker 3: So that's really scary, and uh, I think that's our
Speaker 3: first interaction with Big Mom, right yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we see through that like kind of some
Speaker 2: of the different UH, I guess world building, you'd you'd
Speaker 2: call it as far as like out how those power
Speaker 2: gaps are big filled because I think fisherman island used
Speaker 2: to be under white Beard, right, and he didn't demand
Speaker 2: tribute or anything. And then we see that after he's gone,
Speaker 2: like those gaps are being filled in elsewhere, be black
Speaker 2: Beard or a Big Mom in this case, right, and
Speaker 2: she's like demanding they pay a certain amount every every
Speaker 2: so often, right for her protection so that her flag's
Speaker 2: there on the island. Right.
Speaker 1: Some people, when we talk about arcs and like say
Speaker 1: the arc names used to get upset at us, like
Speaker 1: not drink Poseidon's Watch Through, but drink Animax Watch Through.
Speaker 1: They would be like, stop talking about Wana or Whole Cake.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, what I watched this for the first time,
Speaker 1: and when everyone else watched and read this for this time,
Speaker 1: we knew what what what arcs were gonna be in
Speaker 1: the New World before they even happen. We're all theorizing.
Speaker 1: Of course, at some point we're going to Elbath because
Speaker 1: USAF wants to go to Elbath. Of course, at some
Speaker 1: point we're going to Whole Cake and or some interaction
Speaker 1: with Big Mom. Because of what happened on Fishmn Island.
Speaker 1: We know that Wana is gonna happen at some point.
Speaker 1: It's been mentioned a few times by now like and
Speaker 1: we know that.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I don't, but the arc tells you much either,
Speaker 2: like yes, I don't know, Like it doesn't we do anything.
Speaker 1: For thriller Bark. We know that Reuma came from the
Speaker 1: land of Wana in the New World, like it's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and people used to get pissed. I'm like, it's fine.
Speaker 3: It's fine also because I think I mentioned this all
Speaker 3: the time on this podcast, But I do actively play
Speaker 3: the card game. I go to locals like four times
Speaker 3: a week. I have a big tournament coming up. Like
Speaker 3: I I play the card game. I have like every
Speaker 3: single meta deck built. I obviously there's gonna be cards
Speaker 3: in there. Then I'm just like, why does it say
Speaker 3: that at the bottom of the are Like what is
Speaker 3: this you know scene? You know, stuff like that. So
Speaker 3: I do have and I do kind of know, right
Speaker 3: the timeline of what arcs are going to be coming up,
Speaker 3: kind of like what to expect character wise, because like
Speaker 3: I know that Do Flamingo is going to be the
Speaker 3: main villain and dresser Rosa, Like that's not a secret
Speaker 3: to me. For me, I think what's important, right is
Speaker 3: I guess the journey from to get there, yeap. So
Speaker 3: I mean I already knew Ace was going to die, like,
Speaker 3: but I didn't know how he was going to die.
Speaker 3: I didn't know, you know, the events leading up to it.
Speaker 3: And I think that's the most important part. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I also understand right where people get upset at the
Speaker 3: same time, it's like you can't avoid, especially with one Piece.
Speaker 3: It's so popular, you can't avoid every single day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been out for twenty five years. It's about
Speaker 1: the journey. You guys both said it so perfectly.
Speaker 2: These AI algorithms get us figured out way too quickly, Okay,
Speaker 2: I want to I want to say that, so like
Speaker 2: I get it. I've been in beside shoes. I will
Speaker 2: like every picture of Nico Robin I see, and then
Speaker 2: it's gonna tell me more. It's gonna show me all right,
Speaker 2: so it knows I like Nico Robbins.
Speaker 1: The algorithm is so strong that I literally have the
Speaker 1: keywords one piece, one Piece, chapter, I all these keywords
Speaker 1: on on X like muted, and I like one picture
Speaker 1: of Robin and it's my entire feed. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: have the words muted, but they'll say Nico Robin and
Speaker 1: not use the word one piece, and then somehow things
Speaker 1: in the newest chapter are still being shown on my
Speaker 1: timeline because they don't use the word one piece in
Speaker 1: the fucking tweet. But do I have to do? I
Speaker 1: have to x out every character as well.
Speaker 2: No, no, And you're not even allowed to ban the
Speaker 2: word Nico Robin because that's just the sin, right, that is.
Speaker 3: Against the law.
Speaker 1: I would rather get spoiled than not have around my timeline.
Speaker 2: Real it gets along at least fourteenth and the open Oceans.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's real.
Speaker 1: Stuff, all right, guys. Let's have some final thoughts on
Speaker 1: Fishman Island and Sabad or the return to Sabo.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think talking about it made me like the
Speaker 3: arc a little more, but I will say I think
Speaker 3: it is ranked.
Speaker 1: A little bit lower.
Speaker 3: His favorite arcs. But I do think it was a
Speaker 3: very very important arc to watch, and I'm actually really
Speaker 3: looking forward to continuing my journey. I guess next time
Speaker 3: we talk we'll talk about Punk, Castre and Avoid. I really,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now, I'm halfway done and I
Speaker 3: love the.
Speaker 2: Arc, so hell yeah, love to hear it.
Speaker 1: I will say, Yeah, the more you talk about one Piece,
Speaker 1: the more you realize that, wow, this arc was bad,
Speaker 1: but it was it was bad in comparison to all
Speaker 1: the S tier arcs that One Piece has, when in
Speaker 1: reality it's like, oh, that was like a B that
Speaker 1: was like a B arc or like a C plus arc.
Speaker 1: It's like that was a very good arc. It's just
Speaker 1: we're comparing it to and his Lobby Lobby and water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Alabasta for s Tiers.
Speaker 1: And r Along Park and like all these S tier arcs,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, that was that was just not
Speaker 1: as good because we didn't like the villain. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, one Piece is peak.
Speaker 2: Speaking of peaks, like I'm still not over how Loofy
Speaker 2: and Shira Hoshi all right or how they met this
Speaker 2: art went wild, all right, fling on coral and just
Speaker 2: like bouncing like a trampoline. He had no idea, right,
Speaker 2: So that that was the moment that like stuck with
Speaker 2: my memory.
Speaker 1: Zorro has nothing on her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And on that note, I hope you guys enjoyed. Remember
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Speaker 1: all next time.
Speaker 2: Bye bye,