WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.520 The following program is produced by the Tech Talk Radio Network. Hi, 2 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:06.360 this is Adrian Barbo. You're listening to tech Talk Radio 3 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:11.080 and you're gonna learn a lot. Welcome to another episode 4 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:12.080 of tech Talk Radio. 5 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:13.039 I'm a D. Taylor. 6 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:16.359 Hi, I'm Sean de Weird and I'm justin Lemme lot 7 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:18.559 going on in the world of tech. We're one week 8 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:22.960 away from Windows ten support ending, and it seems to 9 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:27.480 you like every everywhere you look, every broadcast, news channel, 10 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:31.760 every feed on tech blogs is all talking about this. 11 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:34.759 How Windows eleven if you haven't upgraded yet, you got 12 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:36.960 to upgrade. And you know, I don't know if it's 13 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:40.560 fear or whatnot, but Microsoft keeps making some changes too 14 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:43.399 along the way, fighting these people who are trying to 15 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:44.640 hold on to Windows ten. 16 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:47.880 The frustration I've seen is that they've just kind of 17 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:50.880 blanket statement said we're done, and they've made it seem 18 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:54.960 like nobody's gonna support Windows ten forever again. Or you 19 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:57.679 could pay the thirty dollars for the non proversion or 20 00:00:57.719 --> 00:00:59.759 the sixty dollars for the pro version to get in 21 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:02.159 their year, and then I'm sure you're able to pay 22 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:04.079 as the years go on, pay some more money. To 23 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:08.120 keep support. But what I've seen is corporations that security 24 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:11.519 is a big deal, that's just important. But you've seen 25 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:15.640 it from large corporations just go every Windows ten machine's gone. 26 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:18.920 I've seen pictures on Reddit and stuff of paletts of 27 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:23.079 Windows ten machines just being shipped out and surplussed, and 28 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:26.319 some of them are running I nines with sixty four 29 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.400 gigs of ramp. I've been seeing people salvaging these from 30 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:31.560 corporations that are getting rid of all these Windows te 31 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:34.920 machines that are really good machines. One piece of it 32 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:38.480 can't support Windows ten or Windows eleven, or they just 33 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:41.359 are wholesalling all these computers to get new machines that 34 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:45.359 support Windows eleven. I just don't understand the mass, fleeting, 35 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:47.840 panic and leaving of Windows. 36 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:51.680 Ten justin you're in it, Like, how does an organization 37 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:54.239 look at this to try and to deal with this? 38 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.480 Well, I mean, I've just I've just been slowly but 39 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.519 surely just removing Windows ten from any computer that I 40 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:03.680 possibly can. You know, when it comes up to it. 41 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.680 We do have some point of sale machines that running 42 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:10.919 Windows ten, but we actually paid Microsoft for extended support 43 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:14.919 so we can have those machines supported with all the 44 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:18.960 updates for I want to say it's probably twenty twenty seven, 45 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.400 twenty twenty eight, maybe, I think so, we've got a 46 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:24.000 couple more years of support on those. But yeah, if 47 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.199 it's like an end user computer, I'm just nope, sorry, 48 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:28.400 you're running Windows eleven. But how far away are we 49 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:30.360 from Windows eleven be an end of support. I mean, 50 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:33.479 they haven't even announced Windows twelve yet. Usually they've got 51 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:37.919 before they end support on one, they've got one out, 52 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.560 another one out, and then one announced and on the way. 53 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:43.360 They haven't even said anything about Windows twelve. 54 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:45.759 We've heard little bits like Windows twelve will do this, 55 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:47.240 we'll do that, it will. 56 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:48.319 Be cool, it will be good. 57 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:51.439 And in the timeline of Microsoft, how you look at 58 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:55.280 how they distribute their versions of software, it should be 59 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:57.280 the one that is really good. That's got to get 60 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:02.680 people concerned too, is you know, Microsoft suddenly going to say, well, sorry, 61 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.400 you can't use it anymore, We're not going to do 62 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.520 the updates. And that's the frustration for a lot of people. 63 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:09.039 Right now. 64 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:12.360 Oh oh, I can pay thirty dollars and then I 65 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:16.120 get the updates for another year, or I can back 66 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:18.520 up my one drive and then people go, well, wait 67 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:20.159 a minute, why don't you just give me the security 68 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:20.800 updates so I. 69 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.080 Can run ten anyways? You know why not? 70 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:26.639 Even the Federal Trade Commission is saying, well, wait a minute, Microsoft, 71 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:30.159 what's going on here? They've started to question some of 72 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:34.120 the madness behind all of this. People are kind of upset. 73 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:35.919 Yeah, I mean I can see, I can understand why 74 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.080 people are upset, and you know, we might touch upon 75 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:41.319 them up later on the show. But Microsoft is making 76 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:44.319 all kinds of mistakes right now. I mean with Xbox 77 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.120 Game Pass and everything else. I mean, they're just they're 78 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:48.599 really screwing the pooch here. 79 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:49.840 Yeah, you know. 80 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:52.840 One of the things though, okay, for security sake, two 81 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:56.360 PPM two point zero Secure boot. They say it will 82 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.479 bring a more secure environment for somebody. You know, we 83 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.439 were able to install rufous on this machine, which is 84 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:07.319 just one generation short of making the Windows eleven I 85 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:09.199 have a TPM two point zero, the whole bit, but 86 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:11.560 it wouldn't it wouldn't allow it. So we went ahead 87 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.400 and went the rufous route and got Windows eleven installed. 88 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:17.800 But for the sake of security, wouldn't it make sense? 89 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.519 Though most people should have that kind of security enabled 90 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.759 to be able to really benefit from from that. I'm 91 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:29.759 not really sold on TPM, the TBM architecture, no matter 92 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:32.040 one point oh, two point oh whatever, three point zero tomorrow, 93 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:33.480 I'm not really sold on it. 94 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:36.639 I think a lot of the pressure for TPM two 95 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:42.160 point zero is coming from it's a hardware module that exists, right, 96 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:46.199 and you're seeing a lot of the anti cheats having 97 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.600 to be installed at the bios or the root level 98 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:49.360 of your machine. 99 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:52.000 We were talking anti cheat, you're talking about video games. 100 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.480 Yeah, video game anti cheat, right, It's a big problem 101 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.680 in the gaming industry, and that's been the big push 102 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:01.759 for it is game are requiring you to have TPM 103 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.600 two point zero installed to run their games. 104 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:05.079 Yeah. 105 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:09.360 Activisions Activision apparently has said, which is owned by Microsoft. 106 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:14.199 Activision claims ninety seven percent of cheaters it catches and 107 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:18.160 called it duty Black Ops seven are banned within thirty minutes, 108 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:22.079 and they say it's all because of secure boot and ricochet. 109 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:24.279 They say that they actually check if you want to 110 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:26.560 play the game. To be able to play the game, 111 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:29.199 you have to have TPM two point zero and you 112 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.920 have to have secure boot. If you at hont have 113 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.199 that you're not gonna be able to play. Battlefield six 114 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:38.879 apparently also requires secure boot as well, so that that 115 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.040 actually means that a lot of people who want to 116 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:43.000 play that maybe aren't even on that platform, are not 117 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:43.920 gonna be able to play. 118 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:44.800 My problem. 119 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.600 My problem right with the whole TPM or you know, 120 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:52.199 the easy NCHET or whatever you want to call it, 121 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:56.360 You're you're allowing a kernel level access to your machine. 122 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.920 If and that that is a massive mass a security flaw. 123 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:06.519 If anybody ever finds a way to get into and 124 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:11.600 exploit TPM or exploit secure boot or anything like that, 125 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:17.519 it is going to destroy millions of computers instantly. Don't 126 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:21.160 ever allow kernel level access to anything. If they're saying, oh, 127 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.240 this is for video games, there are so many people 128 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:24.600 out there that don't play video games. 129 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:27.680 Why do I need TPM? I don't play video games 130 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.399 if I mean personally I do. But I'm saying, as 131 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:32.680 a person who doesn't play video games, why would they 132 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:35.519 need TPM. It just doesn't make any sense. I just 133 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:37.800 don't agree with it. Like they say, Oh, it's going 134 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:39.560 to protect you, it's secure, it's secure. 135 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:41.399 I don't think so. 136 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:45.720 Yeah, Sean, you were mentioning something earlier though that Microsoft 137 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:49.040 is continuing kind of it's push you know. Of course 138 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.439 they'll give you the access to be able to continue 139 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:55.800 to run Windows ten and get the security updates if 140 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.720 you allow it to back up to one drive. The 141 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:02.079 downside to that, to ask me, is is that you know, okay, well, 142 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:04.639 what's wrong with that? The problem is one drive only 143 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:08.040 has a certain a limit when it comes to capacity 144 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:10.879 for the for the free one drive, if you signed 145 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:13.040 up five gig five gig, So if you go be 146 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:16.319 on five gig, which you've experienced before, then you're gonna 147 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:17.160 have to pay for that storage. 148 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:19.399 So either way you may end up paying paying out money. 149 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:22.639 It's just it's confusing to use and end users, right. 150 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.160 I helped my father in law build his Windows eleven machine, 151 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.120 and I tried to do it without without what. I 152 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:31.959 tried to do it with the no pass command line 153 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.759 piece that that you know that's been floating around. Didn't work. 154 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:36.560 I had to create account. It created an account. Then 155 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:38.240 he started to move his deveover from flash drives and 156 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:40.319 then he called me and said says, I'm out of storage. 157 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:42.360 I was like, bro, you just got a two gig 158 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:44.959 tear two terriby driving there. How are you out of space? 159 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:47.519 Well says I only have five gigs And as soon 160 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:48.839 as you said that I do, it was one drive. 161 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:51.560 So I'm just I'm frustrated about that, just like a 162 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:53.560 lot of other people are that it's forcing you to 163 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:58.199 create these these Microsoft accounts, like why, oh, it just 164 00:07:58.199 --> 00:07:59.360 serves me ads, it's. 165 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:01.800 To get my data their AI. 166 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:05.639 Yeah. So it's just I don't have the disceassity like 167 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:08.439 the platforms in place that go Linux everything. I would 168 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.399 love to. It's just there are certain things that I 169 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:14.560 need Windows for. I have a couple of macs that 170 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:16.839 I use and I would love to go Linux, and 171 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.000 but I just you know, would have to get Caitlin 172 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.519 on board with that. I'd have to. But this, I 173 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:24.480 just don't want the bloat that comes with it, and 174 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.319 tying it to a Microsoft account, it just it ties 175 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.279 you it. I don't know, it's just frustrating. 176 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:34.120 Yeah, and you know, people have to understand there are 177 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.759 options and that's the thing to And I've noticed I 178 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:39.480 don't know if it's just me, but it seems like 179 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:44.279 Apple has been kind of I don't say slashing the prices, 180 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:47.960 but it noticed that some of the pricing on their 181 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.720 you know, MacBooks and and that type of thing seems 182 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.679 to be a little more affordable. 183 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:56.159 And their prices have come down right for their entry 184 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:57.879 level right. And the big part of one of their 185 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:02.320 releases I think earlier this year was upping the base 186 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:06.159 level of RAM and their MacBooks to sixteen gig because 187 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:08.559 they had been at eight for a long time, and 188 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:10.840 they finally bumped up to sixteen for their minimum state. 189 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:12.919 Like there, you can't get anything with less than sixteen. 190 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.240 But with their M chips right and their development of 191 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:19.240 their own M chips, they've been able to significantly drop 192 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:23.559 the prices on their Mac Mini models, their iMac models, 193 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:26.639 their MacBook models, things like that. So you can build 194 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:29.519 a decent PC for five six hundred bucks that can 195 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:32.679 do a lot of things. You'd be hard pressed to 196 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:35.279 find a computer that can compete with, say like an 197 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:40.080 M four Macmini for five ninety nine. If you were 198 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:42.679 into the types of things you would use a Mac 199 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:46.240 Mini for video editing, video processing, photo processing, photo editing, 200 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:49.039 those types of things. You'd be better off building a 201 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:50.879 PC if you want to do gaming that type of stuff. 202 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:53.480 Because the Steam libraries are more, there's more Steam stuff. 203 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:56.440 The more Steam sport or build a Linux machine. Windows 204 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:58.080 or Linux is going to be better for gaming than 205 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.799 a Mac. But gaming on Mac is coming along. It 206 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:05.279 just hasn't always been there. But their prices are very 207 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:08.000 competitive on their desktop models. 208 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:11.080 Okay, So say somebody listening to the show right now 209 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:14.840 is saying, okay, I have a Windows seven computer. Originally 210 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:18.360 I updated it to ten and I've used it and 211 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:21.039 it's been great. But now you know, there's no way 212 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:22.759 I'm not going to be able to go to to 213 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.679 you know, Windows eleven. What are the steps they would 214 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.600 need to do if they decide maybe I'll go ahead 215 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:31.200 and put Linux on this machine. 216 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:33.440 I mean, is it a difficult process. 217 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:38.279 No, no, it's not a difficult process. I will make 218 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:41.279 a comment though, if you're going from seven to ten 219 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.000 and you use your license to go to ten from seven, 220 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.519 that license from ten is good to go to eleven, 221 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.120 you can get that license will get you to eleven. 222 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:52.480 So I don't want people to be like, oh I 223 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:53.720 have to I have to go out and buy a 224 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.200 copy of Windows eleven. If you want to upgrade to 225 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.360 pro or a different version, yes, then you need to 226 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:01.480 buy a license, But or ten license is good for 227 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:03.919 a license for what is loving with the same version 228 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:05.960 of Windows. 229 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:10.279 So if you're bernal, if you're running Windows seven though Box, 230 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:13.759 it probably is not gonna have the TPM two point zero, 231 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:15.720 it's not gonna have the secure boot. 232 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:17.480 You know, it's r. 233 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.320 It's not gonna have anything. I mean, if you're running 234 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:23.399 a Windows seven or if you bought it or built 235 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:25.639 it at a Windows seven, the hardware is so out 236 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:28.639 of date anyway, it's time to build a new computer, 237 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:32.399 right And that's what a lot of people are gonna 238 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:35.080 have to make that decision, you know, building and they 239 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:38.039 have what a less than a week now to get 240 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:38.360 that done. 241 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:38.480 Now. 242 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:41.120 It doesn't mean like if some people, is my Windows 243 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:45.360 ten machine not gonna work on the fifteenth, you know. 244 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.120 Yeah, I mean you're gonna get a lot of people 245 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:50.759 that are going to have that that fear tactic of 246 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.840 coming out and saying your tech Windows ten machine is 247 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:57.000 gonna quit. I've gotten that from some of my elder 248 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:59.799 family members. Oh hey, I know you're the computer guy, 249 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:01.759 but it's saying that it's going to be out of sports. 250 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:04.879 Is it going to stop working? No, it just means 251 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:06.600 that you're not going to get security updates for it. 252 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:10.279 Here's a process you can give to just convincing people 253 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.639 that the computer boogeyman is not out to eat your 254 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:14.679 Windows ten machines. 255 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:18.320 I ended up posing one of my machines, and I'll 256 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.080 admit it, I really I did. I don't know what 257 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.559 the heck I did. So I have an ass board, 258 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:28.799 I have a machine, uh, and I went ahead. Luckily 259 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.879 I made a copy of my SSD that had and 260 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:36.519 this is the one one of I have two computers 261 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.200 that both have the Adobe Suite on them, the one 262 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:41.840 that I cannot reinstall because it's you know, no, they 263 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:43.200 don't have the service activated. 264 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:44.600 So I don't want to mess with those. 265 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:46.960 But this machine, I wanted to see if I could 266 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:50.759 do an in place upgrade, so I made a copy 267 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:55.080 using a docking station and I've checked it. 268 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:56.360 Copy works great. 269 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:01.480 Then stupid me decided to go into the bios and 270 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:07.039 start messing around with UEFI and start trying to adjust 271 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.919 it so I could get it ready for updating it 272 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.080 to Windows eleven and doing trying to do an in 273 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:13.879 place upgrade. 274 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:16.679 And when I. 275 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:19.720 Finally got it to when I did all these changes 276 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:23.000 to the bios, I put the drive in to you know, 277 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:26.440 go ahead, Okay, let's just give this a shot. And 278 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:30.399 I got the error message the windloader was having a problem, 279 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:32.960 and I thought, well, what did I do? So I 280 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:37.159 took the original SSD put that in same thing. I 281 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.240 get the blue It's like a blue screen, you know, 282 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.799 it's like, yeah, it got got some problems here. So 283 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:45.080 and I can't figure out. This is why I take 284 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.440 pictures of everything I do. Can't figure out what I 285 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:51.480 changed in the bios to get it to get back 286 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:53.440 so I could boot up to that. I was able 287 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:56.080 to with another drive I installed just a test. I 288 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:59.200 was able to install Windows eleven on it and do 289 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:01.360 it that way. But once up with this other drive, 290 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.200 and I can't. I can't do it. 291 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:04.519 So I think I know why. 292 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:05.600 Huh. 293 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:11.799 So if you changed it to secure boot and your 294 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:15.159 drive is set for Master Boot Record or NBR, it 295 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.240 will not it will not read the drive. Well you 296 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:21.200 once your once your once your bios is set for 297 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:24.960 u f I to secure boot TP two point zero. 298 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:28.200 If you change it to secure boot, it physic it 299 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:30.720 your hard d. Your your hard drive is invisible if 300 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.440 it's if it's formatted as an m BR, it is 301 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:37.200 invisible to your machine period. Right, the only way to 302 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:40.480 fix it is to format it for gpt AT, which 303 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:42.039 I don't want to do, which you don't want to do. 304 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:43.840 So if you want to get data off of it, 305 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:49.840 I suggest you put it into an external doc copy 306 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:51.679 it over from there if you want to, because it 307 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:53.600 would be a USB drive or whatever be able to 308 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.159 read it as an external drive versus an internal source drive. 309 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:57.440 If you're trying to boot from it. 310 00:14:57.519 --> 00:14:58.600 You can't go back though. 311 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:01.639 I can't go back and just say okay, forget it, 312 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.159 just go back with the original Windows ten and saw 313 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:08.399 that I had on it. Mmm, probably not, so I'd 314 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:10.679 have to buy another board that isn't set for that 315 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:12.000 yet and hopefully it would. 316 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:14.600 Well, you can, you can. You could change it back 317 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:17.279 in the bios back to turn cabot off. 318 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:17.960 Yeah. 319 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:19.840 And then this is what I ran into with one 320 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:21.720 of my work machines that didn't support this is the 321 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:24.440 one that bricked the BIOS when I did this is 322 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.480 it was trying to read a MBR drive and it 323 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.960 locked up the BIOS and then in corrupted the BIOS 324 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:35.159 and I had to flash the BIOS back to yeah version. 325 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:38.799 I tried doing a BIO easy flash on it on 326 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:40.679 it to see if I could if that made a difference, 327 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:44.080 and it didn't. So yeah, gonna that's gonna be a 328 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:45.320 project this weekend. 329 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:45.320 I think. 330 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.519 Yeah. But yeah, so I think that's something that it's 331 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:51.519 going to confuse some people because a lot of older 332 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:54.960 machines that were set for legacy bios before. Because U 333 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.919 if I've been out for a while, right when, it's confusing, 334 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.720 because everybody in the computer world calls it bios, right, 335 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:05.759 It's just what it's been called for as long as 336 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:10.919 I've been playing with computers. Technically now it's called uf I. Okay, 337 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:14.240 it's not bios. Bios and uf I are two separate things, 338 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:18.039 but they are all the pre boot function. So it's 339 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.120 like everybody's calls it bios. So sometimes if you call 340 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:22.840 it bios, it may not actually mean what you think 341 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:25.759 it means, but it can be confusing. I'm still gonna 342 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:28.720 everybody is. I'm just putting that out there. So like 343 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:31.360 if we're talking about bios and we're talking about Windows eleven, 344 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:35.799 we're likely talking about UFI, but we're saying bios. 345 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:39.080 All right, Well, I might just try every setting take 346 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.840 photos of every time I do anything any change, just 347 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:44.600 to try and figure it out. But yeah, that's the 348 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:47.519 one thing. It wasn't being identified at all. And then 349 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:49.559 I did one other change and then it was coming 350 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:51.320 up saying it was having a problem with the windloader. 351 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.279 I did notice that Rufus does have the ability to. 352 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:58.759 Install Windows eleven to an MBR, which that was like, oh, okay, 353 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:02.440 that's good, so you don't have to do you know, 354 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:06.680 GPTU install on that. It will install to an MBR, 355 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:07.359 which is good. 356 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:09.480 That would allow you to that would allow you to 357 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:10.680 boot without secure boot. 358 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:14.640 Yeah, and do the uh in place upgrade. So we'll 359 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:16.400 just have to see what has happened. I just don't 360 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:20.440 want to again. I'm keeping these drives put aside because 361 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:21.240 I don't want to touch. 362 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:22.440 I don't want to mess with them. 363 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.559 So to circle back to your original question, Yeah, h 364 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.079 what would it takes for somebody to install Linux? Right? 365 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:32.039 There are a handful of flavors of Linux, so you 366 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:33.720 can get out there right. The popular ones would be 367 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:36.640 like up on two or Linux Mint or a handful 368 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:40.720 of other distributions. To go to Linux Mint, just google it, 369 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.359 download it, flash it with rufus or Yummy or any 370 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.880 of the other Blena etcher any of those and if 371 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:51.359 you know how to get into your bios or hear you, 372 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.680 if I pick that drive as your boot, install it 373 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:58.000 and you can download it and be installed in fifteen 374 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:58.839 to twenty minutes of it. 375 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:01.759 Ye yeah, yeah, all right cool. I like that. 376 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.799 We do have listener questions this week, but we also 377 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.160 want to cover some of the other announcements that have 378 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.599 been made. And speaking of Linux, Sean, you were talking 379 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.119 earlier a pre show, we were talking about Linux and distributions. 380 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:18.599 I know, originally not long ago, I had tried win 381 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.000 boon to and I liked it. It was a good experience. Again, 382 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:24.559 it's for those that really want to have that Windows look. 383 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:27.839 I mean even the screen looked like a Windows, you 384 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:30.440 know Windows screen. We showed it on television and they 385 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.240 were all commenting, that looks like Windows. It was win 386 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.519 Boon too, and then it wasn't long after that though, 387 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:39.160 there was a lot of people saying, no, you don't 388 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:41.680 want to use that one. And now there's one that 389 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.480 people are saying called win x wi n ux. But 390 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:49.039 actually Boonto has got something new coming out and they've 391 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:51.640 got a really good name for it, which I love. 392 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:56.160 Yeah. So Ubuntu is always they hear. I'm just gonna 393 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:59.079 read off to these if I say things like Wardy 394 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:03.839 Wardhog or Breezy Badger or Feisty Fon like those are 395 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:09.480 all released names for versions of Ubuntu Linux. And their 396 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:13.599 new version is coming out April of twenty twenty six, 397 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:17.160 so they just announced it and it's called the Resolute Raccoon. 398 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:20.559 So that is the current that is the new name 399 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:23.400 for Linux twenty six point zero four. 400 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:24.400 Oh cool. 401 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:27.240