1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:02,839 Speaker 1: Meaning a life. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 2: Man like this man you letting butterfly flapping his wings 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,199 big down into the forest. Man, it's gonna cause the 4 00:00:08,279 --> 00:00:13,199 tree fold letting five thousand way nobody see nobody. 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 3: You don't need no man. 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,679 Speaker 1: Gonna like you mother schore man. 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: And you got like like that sto win man or 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:26,960 like a thing on pan on right man, you don't 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:33,600 don't matter man. 10 00:00:35,799 --> 00:00:38,719 Speaker 1: All right, equas welcome back to the Jay Burden Show. 11 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:39,439 How you doing, man? 12 00:00:40,679 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 3: Hey man? Doing good? 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: This? 14 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: How many times is this? Oh wait a minute, no. 15 00:00:48,359 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: Officially or how many times have you and I talked? 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:55,840 Because number yeah, I think I've told the story of 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,280 the the Missing Pete episode before. It was uh, kind 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,040 of a confluence of a spicy topic and just wrap 19 00:01:05,079 --> 00:01:09,200 it on set early dementia for me. And so the 20 00:01:09,239 --> 00:01:12,400 combination of not a particularly stellar performance from your host 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,480 and having to do enough editing to get that to 22 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:18,200 stay up, I was basically left with a not particularly 23 00:01:18,239 --> 00:01:20,439 impressive thirty five minutes and so I was like, all right, 24 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,760 you know what, I'd rather have you on and be 25 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:24,640 able to post it than have to chop something up. 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,760 But yeah, man, I'm really glad to have you back on. 27 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: Cool. Yeah, I can't believe it was twenty five minutes 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,760 you had to get rid of That's just so awesome. 29 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,400 Just chalk chalk another one up on my resume. 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. So you and I have been We've 31 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:46,159 recorded a decent amount together with our mutual friends Stormy 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,400 Astral and Thomas and of course I'll make sure to 33 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:54,920 link to the inquisition down in the description. But one 34 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,120 of the things that we have been talking about in 35 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:00,959 a group, it's basically, how should the radical right wing 36 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,719 relate to Donald Trump? Because and I don't want to 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,959 turn this into a discussion of drama, but as I'm 38 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,680 sure you're no doubt well aware, the reactions to the 39 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,919 president have been highly variable, right. You have, of course, 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,240 the MAGA wing basically championing him as the you know, 41 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,800 the the next Messiah. You know, you have the kind 42 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,639 of black pill brigrade, which is, you know, unsatisfied with 43 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,000 no matter what Trump delivers. And I think that you 44 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,360 and I have a much more measured view of it. 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,319 So I'm curious, right in the in the broadest possible sense, 46 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,800 what's your opinion on Trump and really what's been happening 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:38,599 since his election? 48 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I guess you have to start with 49 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:49,400 the picks, because that was the first thing that started 50 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:55,240 people into separating into camps. So, you know, he picked 51 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,520 somebody who said something nice about Israel once. Some people 52 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,319 don't like that, some people are fine with it. He 53 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,680 picked someone who was going on and on and on 54 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:11,639 about our greatest ally and how you know if we 55 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,280 if you don't exist, we don't exist. Well, I mean, yeah, 56 00:03:16,719 --> 00:03:19,479 everyone's going to be up in arms over that one. 57 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:24,800 But the way I look at politics is you just 58 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,800 have to take a nuanced approach about it. And if 59 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:35,159 you're a one a one issue vote, a one issue person. 60 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:37,039 I'm not even going to say one issue voter, because 61 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,560 I'm sure a lot of the people who have opinions 62 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:46,120 about this didn't even vote. But if your one issue 63 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:50,840 is something that is just not going to be cleared 64 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:54,560 up anytime soon, as my friend Tommy Simmons says, is 65 00:03:54,599 --> 00:03:57,680 probably going to be the final boss, then you're just 66 00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:00,639 going to be black built. And I think there are 67 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:11,479 enough people who basically created a basically built an audience 68 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,960 around nothing is going to change. Oh no, wait a minute, No, 69 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,000 nothing's going to change now, It'll change in the future. 70 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,079 I'm white. I'm black pilled short term, And I used 71 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:24,720 to say that, and then I thought about it, and 72 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,560 I'm like, well, then what am I going to see 73 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:30,279 If I'm black pilled in the short term but white 74 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,800 piled in the long term? How does that play out? 75 00:04:33,079 --> 00:04:36,199 Is it like, is it going to be little little 76 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,160 victories along the way that I'm not allowed to celebrate 77 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:42,560 because I'm black pilled, or is it going to be 78 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:45,319 little victories along the way that I might celebrate. Then 79 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,879 it turns out it wasn't a win at all, So 80 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:50,360 then I get I have egg on my face because 81 00:04:50,519 --> 00:04:54,439 which I don't care about. I've been wrong many many times. 82 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,240 I'll be wrong again. I'll have to do a man 83 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,680 kulpa sort of like Curtis Yarvin did in his most 84 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,519 recent article where he came out and basically said, yeah, 85 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:09,759 basically I was wrong, but yeah, I mean I the 86 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:11,959 way I look at it is people have just broken 87 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:16,800 up into The big difference that I see is there's 88 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,759 like three groups. There's the one group that's like takes 89 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:22,000 a nuanced approach and looks and goes, Okay, we can 90 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,399 build on this. This is good for our people. J 91 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,959 sixers are out of prison. You know, a lot of 92 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,920 these executive orders are are really good, and you know, 93 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,319 stuff that we can build upon, and then you have 94 00:05:37,399 --> 00:05:42,079 people who are completely black pilled, like nothing ever is 95 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:48,360 going to change and you're just coping if you if 96 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:51,839 you see any anything good in Trump, and you have 97 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,160 the ones who just see our greatest ally is their 98 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,000 greatest enemy and that's the only thing that they can 99 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,519 sperg about all day. And so they're not going to 100 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,879 they're not going to see any good in anything. So 101 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:10,199 they're not even black pilled. They're just like they're so 102 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,639 focused on just one thing that like they can't get 103 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:16,480 out of their way and they can't think, they can't 104 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,879 rationalize or nuance anything, and they're thinking that could possibly 105 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:21,879 be good for the future. 106 00:06:23,639 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: I think you're you're completely right there. The thing to 107 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:34,240 me is, look, I had very very limited expectations of Trump, right. 108 00:06:34,759 --> 00:06:36,839 You know, there are certainly people who claim things would 109 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:40,360 be different in this time. But and this is something 110 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:42,360 that you know, Thomas and I have been talking about 111 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:46,600 for months now, right that it's a very real possibility 112 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,199 that second term Trump will be the same as first 113 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,959 term Trump, right, which is we'll get a few wins 114 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:57,519 nothing major. We'll get a lot of noise, but nothing 115 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,920 really changes. And you know, till a few weeks ago, 116 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,079 that was a pretty reasonable position. I certainly hoped for 117 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,240 something more to happen, but I was cautiously optimistic. Great, 118 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:13,800 it seems like, generally speaking, trends continue, and that was 119 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:17,279 very much not what happened. And you know, with this 120 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,519 rash of executive orders, we basically got I mean, we 121 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,399 basically got our Bengo carts cleared out right, not just 122 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,839 one row, but like the whole thing, you know, everything 123 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:29,519 you could have asked for. You know, you recently spoke 124 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,519 to Tom Woods about the release of Russ Albert, which 125 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,839 is absurd, Like, no one thought that was gonna happen. 126 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:40,240 Everyone thought that was the most absurd libertarian pipe dream, right, 127 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:40,920 that guy's gonna ruck. 128 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: Let me let me just interrupt you there for a second. 129 00:07:43,639 --> 00:07:46,079 I mean, I've known his mom for like ten years now, 130 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,800 you know, I used to have his mom on the 131 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:54,360 show all the time, and my take on it was always, yeah, 132 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:58,120 he might have done some really really bad stuff. But 133 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,720 the court case was a complete joke. And then you 134 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:05,879 find out that the judge was like mentioning the fact 135 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,720 that he was white, and she would have to take 136 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,600 into consideration if he was a black guy from the Bronx, 137 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,040 she would be treating him differently. And when you find 138 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,040 out that, you're like, oh, okay, so he's just another 139 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,759 victim of all this. And then for those who don't 140 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:23,920 know about the case, Chuck Schumer put this all together. 141 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:27,480 This was all designed by Chuck Schumer and the Southern 142 00:08:27,519 --> 00:08:31,920 District and the Southern District of New York. So yeah, 143 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:34,919 I told Tom that I remember being in New Hampshire 144 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:37,840 in twenty nineteen. I was speaking up there and I 145 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,480 was talking to her and I was like looking at 146 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:41,759 her dead in the eye, and my only thought was 147 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:46,000 is that this woman is going to die trying to 148 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:49,399 get her son out of prison, and her son is 149 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,159 going to be in prison for the rest of his life. 150 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,240 So seeing, you know, Ross walk the pictures of Ross 151 00:08:56,279 --> 00:08:59,919 walking out of jail, that was just I mean, I 152 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,720 can't believe it, you know. And people can say whatever 153 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:06,360 they want about what he did. The thing is there 154 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:10,799 are people who get who murder people and do less 155 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,679 time than he's actually done. So if people could say, oh, 156 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,120 well he deserved his sentence, who deserves their sentence. What 157 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,480 is the proper sentence for facilitating drug dealing? What's the 158 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,120 proper sentence for murder? What's the proper sentence for theft? 159 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,360 What are you talking about? What are you talking about? 160 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,600 You're defending the fucking regime. Now, No, it's what is 161 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:35,639 the proper We have to figure this out. We have 162 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,120 to blow this all up, and we have to figure out. Okay, 163 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,600 so if someone's facilitating drugs, drug dealing, and you know, 164 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:44,840 basically I think one of his biggest, biggest crimes was 165 00:09:44,919 --> 00:09:48,279 using bitcoin. He made bitcoin popular. He was one of 166 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:50,759 the people who made bitcoin popular. They see it as 167 00:09:50,759 --> 00:09:54,799 a threat kind of. So yeah, I mean, just the 168 00:09:54,799 --> 00:09:57,120 fact that Trump did this and that he kept his 169 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,759 promise to a bunch of libertarians where he could have 170 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:02,120 just all of them screw you, you have no power, 171 00:10:02,159 --> 00:10:06,720 you're nothing. I mean, it's just it's wild, it's complex. 172 00:10:06,799 --> 00:10:08,279 I mean, you could expect that he was going to 173 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:11,080 do the j sex guys, they get all the JA 174 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,799 sex people, but that he would do that and that 175 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,919 he would actually keep his promise on it, Well, maybe 176 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,759 he'll keep his promise on other stuff. Who knows well. 177 00:10:19,799 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: And and to mention someone, we've talked about earlier, right, 178 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,159 Curtis Yarbin, he had a very neat formula for what 179 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,000 a you know, political win was right. You know, it's 180 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:35,519 something that increases your power decreases your enemy's power. Right, 181 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,720 And look, obviously there's still court cases happening, but the 182 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,399 very very simple fact that Ice has been let off 183 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:47,279 the leash. Right, they're allowed to arrest illegals in you know, 184 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:53,120 in churches and hospitals, schools. Well, which direction does that 185 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,039 blow it? Similarly, right, they've been given a quota, right, 186 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,840 you need to deport this many people a day. And again, 187 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:04,960 look like the country is, as of current writing, still 188 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,519 in dire straits. But you know, primarily we are concerned 189 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,840 with trend lines, and this is you know, a radical change, 190 00:11:12,279 --> 00:11:14,559 radical change in direction. You know. One of the other 191 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,639 things I think about, right, and I may have mentioned 192 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:19,440 this in our most recent episode of the Inquisition, is uh, 193 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:24,080 you know, what is a good deal with a political leader? Like, 194 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,240 what do you want? Because and I'd love to be 195 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:30,200 wrong here, I don't really see you know, a Marcus 196 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,039 Aurelius figure, right, a wise, scholarly ruler, you know, a 197 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,000 warrior poet all at once in our future. Again, I'd 198 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:39,559 love to be wrong, but I think it's really reasonable 199 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,399 to expect someone in power who one doesn't hate you 200 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,879 and two as you're at least to a bare minimum 201 00:11:47,919 --> 00:11:50,759 best interest in mind. And obviously you and I may 202 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:53,440 have really no interaction with the government. But when I 203 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,759 look at the people who are our proxies, like the 204 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,960 j sixers, like the twenty people convicted for praying up 205 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:03,200 side of abortion clinics who all got pardoned, Well, guess what. 206 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,639 That's rewarding your friends, right, rewarding Crump's friends, rewarding our friends. 207 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,120 And alternately the Ice decision, you know, the going after 208 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:16,200 the federal workers, that's punishing our enemies. And again it's 209 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,559 not based world, but it's a whole lot better than 210 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:23,000 how things would be in any you know, conceivable alternative reality. 211 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think one of the one of the criticisms 212 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:31,919 is that this is being driven by like big tech 213 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:36,720 guys or you know, elites, which it always is. Yeah, 214 00:12:36,759 --> 00:12:40,720 the question comes down to do those what do those 215 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:48,000 elites hate you? Another good question is, if they're doing this, 216 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,600 they're doing it for self interest, does their self interest 217 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,879 line up with your interest at all? It really appears 218 00:12:55,919 --> 00:12:59,960 to me, like even people who would have been complete 219 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,879 against Trump, and I know for a fact there but 220 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,519 people who are completely against Trump in his first term 221 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,320 have done a one to eighty and completely gone with Trump. 222 00:13:10,279 --> 00:13:12,879 And I think the reason why is that they see 223 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:18,159 that if change isn't made, their lives are going to 224 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:20,960 be worse, and they don't want their lives to be worse. 225 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,399 So if they don't want their lives to be worse, 226 00:13:25,879 --> 00:13:28,759 what's being then you have to examine what exactly is 227 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:32,440 being done? What have they been their recommendations, what do 228 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,080 they want to see done that would make their lives better? 229 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,679 And the only question you have to ask after that 230 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,399 is does it make my life better? Does their vision 231 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,960 make my life better? And I would say from what 232 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,600 we've seen so far, yeah, And I'll mention the Spergs 233 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:53,159 again because I always do, is nothing's going to make 234 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,519 them happy. Nothing is going to make them happy. And 235 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,279 the reason I say nothing is going to make them 236 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:01,559 happy because the ones specifically talking about what they want 237 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,120 they're never going to get, not in their lifetime. Maybe 238 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,240 something you know down the road, but nothing's going to 239 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:11,840 happen in their lifetime. So this is their this is 240 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,039 their existence so I've taken to liberally just blocking people. 241 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,320 I mean, I can't. It's there's too much. I mean, 242 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:23,440 Trump just announced today and this was after speaking to 243 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:26,360 bu Kelly. I don't know, you know, anybody else has 244 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:28,960 put this together. He speaks to bo Kelly and he 245 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,759 was talking to other countries about paying to take our prisoners. 246 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,600 And I'm assuming when he talked to bo Kelly and 247 00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:37,279 maybe talked to Eric Prince, He's like, we got on 248 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,519 tanam Obey. You know, if we have these if we 249 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:49,960 have these violent, insanely violent illegals here, then we need 250 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,120 to put them somewhere. If their countries don't want to 251 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:54,000 take them back, what do we do with them? And 252 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:56,600 he's talking about a facility that'll hold thirty thousand on 253 00:14:56,639 --> 00:15:00,759 one ton of obey what I mean just stop for second, 254 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,960 Stop for a second and think about any president in 255 00:15:06,039 --> 00:15:11,720 the last whenever, who would who's saying something like that, 256 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:14,000 who's coming that those words are coming out of his mouth? 257 00:15:14,279 --> 00:15:17,600 Not a proxy. He's going out there and saying, yeah, 258 00:15:17,759 --> 00:15:19,879 you know, we got this facility. It's on an island. 259 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:22,120 You know, we can have them. Maybe we can have them. 260 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:24,159 He didn't say this, but I'm like I'm thinking, man, 261 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:28,879 get them growing, get them growing tobacco. Cuban cigars are 262 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:31,679 back on the menu. I mean, this is this is 263 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,120 a beautiful thing. When would you ever think you would 264 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,480 hear that. But then again, you're going to have people 265 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:39,639 who are out there who this is all a trap. Man, 266 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:42,000 It's leading us to a trap. There's a trap at 267 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,799 the end of this. It's a trap at the end 268 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,919 of politics, went of politics everywhere in the trap is 269 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:51,159 you're not going to get everything you want unless you 270 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,200 become powerful and you become king and you go and 271 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,360 do what he's doing, or you become an elite, you 272 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,720 finance something like this. You're not going to get what 273 00:15:59,799 --> 00:16:01,840 you're so just be miserable. 274 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of the other things. And this is 275 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,200 kind of this has kind of gone under the radar. 276 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:14,360 Is uh did you see Trump pulling out his inner 277 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:17,279 mold bug where he's basically said he's going to offer 278 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,159 an early retirement option for federal employees, basically pay them 279 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,840 out as long as they promised never to work for 280 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,240 the Feds again. Did he notice that? 281 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? I saw that. That's yeah. I think they said, 282 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,399 like originally the idea would be like for four years, 283 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:37,759 give him like the the whole length of whatever term 284 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:39,879 or something like that. Are you paying him for four 285 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,600 years and he's saying eight months. But I think at 286 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:46,840 this point, especially if you offer to pay all that upfront, 287 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,360 I think people will take it. I think. I mean, 288 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:53,879 I know this is anecdotal, but I'm hearing it from 289 00:16:54,039 --> 00:16:57,399 enough people that they know people who are just quitting 290 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:00,519 their federal employees. They've been working from home for four 291 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,839 years now, and they either don't want to go back 292 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,920 into the office or they don't want to go back 293 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,680 into an office where Trump's that portrait of Trump, which 294 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,640 was done purposely so it could sit there and ship 295 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,880 lips could look at it and have to look at 296 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,440 it all day when he sent them back to work. 297 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,240 And these people aren't going back to work. So you know, 298 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:27,319 I think, yeah, I always said that I've been saying 299 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:28,920 for a while, for at least for a year now, 300 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,640 that they need to find the executive branch needs to 301 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,400 get rid of about two million employees, and it looks like, 302 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:35,680 you know, they could be on their way to that. 303 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,319 So yeah, and you know, if they want to stay, 304 00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:42,559 make their lives miserable, and that's easy enough. 305 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: To do well, definitely, and again with all of these, 306 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,319 at the very least, you have to admit that this 307 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,720 is a promising start, like this is much much more 308 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:57,640 than really anyone could have reasonably expected. And you know, 309 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,559 one of the things that I am, I'm always cautious of, 310 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:04,519 and maybe it's because I grew up during the during 311 00:18:04,519 --> 00:18:09,640 the George Bush era, right, is you know being folded 312 00:18:09,759 --> 00:18:14,720 back in? Right, You've read Kazinskip and you know the 313 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:19,319 system's greatest trick, what you know Uncle Ted describes is 314 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,079 the process by which you know, dissidents are tricked into 315 00:18:24,279 --> 00:18:28,359 reforming the system, right, that they will make it more efficient, 316 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,359 And I certainly one think there's some risk of that, Right, 317 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,640 that's a real problem. But also is it containment if 318 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,759 you're getting what you want right, Okay, you don't literally 319 00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:43,160 get to change. Maybe you know that the people in 320 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,880 power the system more broadly, but is your primary issue 321 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,400 you know that things are being run very badly or 322 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,440 the system in and of itself needs to change, And 323 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:57,799 I at least have you know, complaints in both areas. Right, 324 00:18:57,839 --> 00:19:00,599 I'm not a big fan of democracy, but I'd be 325 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,119 an idiot for looking a gift horse in the mouth 326 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,319 and deciding that, you know, I'm not going to accept 327 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,039 the positive benefits of democracy when it goes my way. 328 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,519 So I'm curious, do you think there's any risk of 329 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,200 sort of containment for the broader right? 330 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,759 Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the you know, when you 331 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,000 take his insk into account, you have to realize that 332 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:25,000 he wouldn't want He doesn't want the system to exist 333 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000 at all. He wants to go back to the Bronze Age. 334 00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:31,680 So when he's examining the system, you have to look 335 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,559 at it from that lens. Do we are we anarchists? 336 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,440 Then you have to ask a question, are we anarchists? 337 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,920 Are we looking to burn this all down with the 338 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,880 sure with the intention of having something better afterwards? Do 339 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,960 we have the power to build what's or have we 340 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,720 built what comes next? 341 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: No? 342 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 3: We have it. So Yeah. Most importantly I think is 343 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,759 more important than anything is what needs to be tore 344 00:20:01,839 --> 00:20:05,240 down of those those myths. You know, I think there 345 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,359 are people out there who are doing really good work 346 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,400 to tear down the myth of World War Two. You 347 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,880 hear Trump referring to the New Deal he may have 348 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,400 called the New Deal collaborators. You know, Thomas talks about 349 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,960 the New Deal regime and the Nuremberg regime. So it's 350 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:28,640 obvious that somebody is in his ear putting this stuff, 351 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:35,480 putting putting this stuff into his head. I don't think 352 00:20:35,519 --> 00:20:40,920 it's the system that we the physical system. I don't 353 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,400 think we're looking to tear down. I think we're looking 354 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,559 to tear down the philosophy. So if you tear down 355 00:20:46,599 --> 00:20:49,759 the philosophy and it's replaced with something that it's more 356 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:53,000 amenable to you, that you know, you're, you're okay, you 357 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:56,119 can live with, well, then you know, I'm I'm fine 358 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,599 with that you're But you know, you're also going to 359 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,720 have to learn or your expectations because you're not going 360 00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:04,759 to get the perfect you know, if Burnham has taught 361 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:09,160 us anything, it's that ideology. If you have a if 362 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,200 you have an ideology, it's it's not going to manifest 363 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:20,599 perfectly in in reality. So yeah, temper your expectations and 364 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:27,039 seek to you know, wish for, push for, do whatever 365 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:29,240 you can do, because I mean, it seems like some 366 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:31,680 people are being listened to. I mean you can hear 367 00:21:31,759 --> 00:21:35,119 our guys echoed all over the place by people in power. Now, 368 00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:41,279 then we should, you know, we should keep pushing, but 369 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,839 we need to decide what we're willing, what we're willing 370 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,759 to live with, because you're never going to have the 371 00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:48,559 perfect It's all about trade offs. 372 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: So when we when we spoke last, you were strongly 373 00:21:55,839 --> 00:21:59,599 encouraging me to listen to an episode of The Tucker 374 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,599 Curls Show with Kurt Mills, and I did. I thought 375 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:06,599 it was really fascinating because look, you know, I've read 376 00:22:06,839 --> 00:22:10,279 elite theory the same as anyone, and so that colors 377 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:13,759 a lot of my analysis, and I think incorrectly, my 378 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,920 mental model was there are two interest groups in the 379 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:23,480 Republican Party. There are tech bros and neocons in the 380 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:27,559 most disparaging use of that word you can imagine, right, 381 00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:32,359 And what I realized, honestly, I should have realized this earlier, 382 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,359 but I finally kind of hit me like a bolt 383 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,599 from the blue the other day, was that this is 384 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,759 actually there are three camps here, right, And I don't 385 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:43,279 know what you want to call that third camp, right, 386 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,599 the America first camp, you know, the true Magabase or whatever. 387 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:52,000 But there are a number of people Carlson included. You know, 388 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:55,680 we could find some others who were much much closer 389 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,000 to us than either the tech bros and certainly the neocons, 390 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,680 and will certainly we can get some things we want 391 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,359 from the tech bros. Right, musk is, you know, not always, 392 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,240 but at least we'll say, you know, generally more aligned 393 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:12,680 with us than someone like Victoria Newland. This camp is 394 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:17,279 quite interesting, so in the interview, right, and I encourage 395 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:20,559 everyone go listen to it. It's possibly the most important 396 00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:23,400 recording of twenty twenty five so far, all twenty nine 397 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,400 days of it. But effectively we have Tucker and Mills 398 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,839 going through neo con influence right, how they're trying to 399 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,519 worm their way into the Trump presidency, and over and 400 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:39,599 over and over again saying we need to fight these people. 401 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,319 I mean, about a third of it is directly going 402 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:47,519 after Barry Weiss, you know, saying she is basically at 403 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:52,200 organ of the Israeli government. And what's interesting, right is, 404 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,960 I'm sure you remember right when when Mike Pompeo was 405 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,880 was set to be, you know, brought into the government, 406 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,559 and Tucker allegedly, right according to rumor, basically called up 407 00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:08,519 Trump and said, don't do it. Mike Pompeo is not 408 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:11,279 in the government. And to me, that article or that 409 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,720 you know audio file, which I highly recommend everyone listening to, 410 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:19,559 is basically him telling Donald Trump, you know, don't make 411 00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:23,079 friends with Beebe, you know, and admittedly he goes through 412 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,440 the two have probably already started a feud, you know, 413 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,960 don't listen to these crazy neocons. And that is the 414 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,079 one big thing we need to fix. It's actually a 415 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,079 very good history of the neo conservative movement, and to me, 416 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,759 that third group of elites is very very interesting, right. 417 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,880 I think that, you know, like you said earlier, we're 418 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,960 never going to get something perfect, but we've gone from 419 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,920 a party with basically one elite cast and an insurgency 420 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,079 to three different groups all vying for support. And I 421 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,720 mean that honestly reminds me quite a bit of what 422 00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:01,720 Burnham says the ideal state is right, which is to 423 00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:05,839 have multiple elite groups vying for your support. Admittedly, the 424 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,680 neocons don't seem to care what we think, but you 425 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,400 know what, I'll take two overnun Sorry, Pete, that was 426 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,200 a big rant for me. I'm curious what you think. 427 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I realized about a year and a 428 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,039 half ago, especially after October seventh, the way a lot 429 00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:23,559 of things were being said on different podcasts, especially like 430 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,519 Judge Knapps show, that there was I realized at that time. 431 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,759 You know, we've had the neocons. I've known about them forever. 432 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,000 The tech bros. We were just figuring out, just starting 433 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,559 to talk about the paypalm mafia and everything. But then 434 00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:46,240 there are these wasps, historic wasps families. You know, Tucker 435 00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:52,720 Tucker's Tucker's wife, definitely, I mean, if anyone knows her family. 436 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,720 Douglas mc colonel McGregor is a you know, old school 437 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,559 WASP and and he's bringing all these old school wasp, 438 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,160 old school wasps in there. He's had an old school 439 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,480 WASP and at the Federal Reserve. Well he hasn't, but 440 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:10,319 there's been an old school WASP at the Federal Reserve. 441 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:15,519 I think he's seventh generation Virginian. Jerome Powell, Scott Bessant, 442 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:19,000 I mean, obviously there's a big problem with Scott Bessant. 443 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,640 He's like a ninth generation American and he's bringing all 444 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,480 these people in who are I don't think they're on 445 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,519 either of those sides, but I think they're more willing 446 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,319 to work with the PayPal mafia and the tech bros 447 00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:35,599 Than they are with the neocons, because I think they've 448 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,480 seen that their power in the last hundred years has 449 00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:42,720 been supplanted and stormy and I did an episode, the 450 00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:46,519 three episodes on the robber Barons that tried to save America, 451 00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:51,119 and when you look at those robber barons, it's all 452 00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:56,279 basically wasp PERALTI. And when you look at what Powell 453 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,960 has done at the Federal Reserve, where he's basically gone 454 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,119 to war with the City of London and Davos for 455 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:07,920 the last three four years now seeking to destroy the Euro, 456 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,079 I think he's done a really good job, I think. 457 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,039 And a year ago the euro is at at buck 458 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,640 forty is at like one oh three. Now. My whole 459 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:19,400 childhood the British pound was that it was like it 460 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,640 was almost like pegged two dollars to a pound, and 461 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,519 it's down to like one ten now a dollar ten. 462 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,720 People don't realize this, and you know, if you really 463 00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:31,759 want to, I can't break it down as well as 464 00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:35,400 Tom Luongo. You can. So go listen to Tom Lawongo 465 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,839 Gold Goods and Guns podcast and he's been on my show, 466 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,960 so you can search and he breaks it down exactly 467 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:46,680 how he's been doing it. Destroying libor so you're bringing 468 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,519 the interest rates back home to this country. So we 469 00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:53,279 make our own interest rates in London. And you're a 470 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,640 aren't you know, determining how much you're how much a 471 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,799 credit card you're borrowing in Texas is what the interest 472 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,119 rate it's going to be on it. Yeah, that was 473 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,599 all that had been all co opt co opted by Europe. 474 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,279 So you're seeing this war that's been happening for a 475 00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:12,319 few years now, especially out of Powell, and you hear 476 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,720 it out of Jamie Diamond too at JP Morgan and Yeah, 477 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,680 the when I look at these groups and say there's three, 478 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,720 let's call it three groups, I see the wasps, I 479 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,680 see the neo cons, and I see you know, the 480 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,000 tech pros and the tech bros. And the wasps have 481 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:36,160 some crossover, you know, famously like Mark andresen Is. Uh, 482 00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:39,839 it's from like a small town in Minnesota or Wisconsin 483 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,400 or something like that. The you know what you're it's 484 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,200 pretty obvious if you know what to look for, if 485 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,480 you just don't think there's this one group that has 486 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:57,960 all this power, they control everything. They're super they're superhumans, 487 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,720 and you know no one can, no one can touch 488 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:04,440 their power. Well, I think if you know, if you 489 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,880 stop being a neocon yourself, because that's a neocon thinking 490 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,799 and Zionist thinking, you will be able to see that 491 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,759 there are people who there are other groups who are 492 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:18,400 coming in and they're they want their they especially the 493 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,119 lost but elite, they want their power back. 494 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,119 Speaker 1: Well, this is something I've been really saying as long 495 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,319 as as I have a podcast, right that the power 496 00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:30,559 is a brutal game. And one of the things I 497 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:32,759 just kept saying over and over again during the Biden 498 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:38,200 administration is like, the these people are playing the game badly, right. 499 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:41,680 They are not these kind of like hyper competent machiavelians. 500 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:47,119 They're just stupid. They're making bad mistakes. And that opens up, 501 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,440 you know, as we've seen an opportunity for someone to 502 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,640 to out maneuver them. 503 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:52,359 Speaker 3: Right. 504 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:55,559 Speaker 1: I noticed an interesting report that came across my desk today. 505 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:00,759 Do you know what the disapproval rate for the Democratic 506 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:01,680 Party is right now? 507 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: Or is there approval rating at like thirteen percent or 508 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:07,759 something like that. 509 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,799 Speaker 1: Yes, it's incredibly low, incredibly low, historically low. And look, 510 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,519 you'd think, right if we were running by the twenty 511 00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:22,079 sixteen playbook that the public according to conventional wisdom says 512 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,039 it doesn't like when Donald Trump does radical, scary things, right, 513 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,920 like saying, you know, making you know, immigrants cry or whatever. 514 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,799 And that's not the case. The public at large seems 515 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:36,319 to be unbothered. Now, certainly some of that is due 516 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:39,279 to the fact that Trump has been normalized, right, we 517 00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:42,400 can admit that. But I think another part of it 518 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,839 is that the left in this country has been in 519 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,880 charge and made an absolute hash of it, right, They've 520 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,359 They've really left the country in a shameful state. And 521 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,759 I was actually thinking about this the other day that 522 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000 Joe Biden winning twenty twenty might have been the best 523 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,119 thing to ever happen to Donald Trump, right, both from 524 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,000 a narrative sense, both from an organizational sense, and also 525 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,480 from a a justification sense. Right that you come back 526 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:13,359 with a you know, a huge historic win off the 527 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,480 back of a very poorly managed country, and that gives 528 00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:21,400 you the license to do truly radical, albeit necessary things. 529 00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:26,079 Actually I took some flak for this, but you know, 530 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,119 I publicly said that, you know, we on the right, 531 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,200 oh Trump loyalty. I didn't say obedience writer, like, you know, 532 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,119 we don't you know, flop over and let him do 533 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,319 whatever he wants, but we do owe him a little 534 00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:43,400 bit of loyalty because basically, right, like, what is the 535 00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:48,240 political exchange you have with your leader? Right once, Well, 536 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:51,599 I give you, you know, my loyalty and you do 537 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,880 things for me. Okay, fair enough, that's pretty much the deal. 538 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,720 And you know, in the feudal the feudal system was 539 00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:01,200 really simple. It was like, you give me fealty, I 540 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,720 protect you with my sword. Right, And this is you know, 541 00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:06,559 a minor lely more complicated version of that. And in 542 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:10,079 this case, right, we've been handed this massive raft of wins. 543 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,480 You know, we've been handed all of these things. We've 544 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:16,039 had our friends pardoned, you know, we've had these you know, 545 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,839 plans enacted to do what we want. And I think that, 546 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,640 I mean, if there's any honor in this, we have 547 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,759 to hold up our edge of the bar. And look, 548 00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:28,960 I realized Trump isn't going to be up for office again. 549 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,799 It's not like he needs our votes. But I think 550 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:35,680 that there is a reciprocal relationship there. And I think that, 551 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,480 you know, really the most exciting thing about Trump, or 552 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,880 one of the most exciting things about Trump, as he's 553 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,079 kind of returned us to a more honest form of politics, 554 00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:46,039 at least on the right. The left has got this 555 00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:49,359 forever right that we support someone because they give us stuff, 556 00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,039 right patronage. But the right has been kind of like 557 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,759 fed this weak gruel that you know, we the best 558 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:58,839 we could ever get from our government is just to 559 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,680 leave us alone. No, I don't want to be left alone. 560 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,839 I want my friends rewarded and my enemies punished, right 561 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,039 like that very simple formula. And if that happens, well, 562 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,119 all right, I'll hold up my end of the bargain. 563 00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:14,720 And I think that that's a difficult thing to say 564 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,920 as someone who's kind of labeled themselves as a dissident. 565 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,240 And obviously that's conditional. You know, he could do any 566 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:23,480 number of things to lose that loyalty, but until then, 567 00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:25,839 like fair enough, he did it. 568 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, especially after four years. You know, you 569 00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:34,400 mentioned the best thing that could happen with Trump losing 570 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,160 in twenty twenty. What you what you saw for four years? 571 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,960 And I think a lot of the a lot of 572 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,960 the spurgy ideologues don't realize this is that you basically 573 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:52,200 had no president. So you know what in a managerial 574 00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:55,519 system like we've had for you know, one hundred years. 575 00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:00,319 You know that the people who are unelected and you know, 576 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:05,799 elite or deep state, they they get their way. But 577 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:11,480 at least prior to that, there was the it appeared 578 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,800 that there was someone in charge. You had four years 579 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:21,440 of people who were paying attention just knowing that that 580 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,599 guy wasn't in charge, He wasn't making decisions. I mean, 581 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,599 look at all the pardons he handed it down at 582 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,440 the end. I mean with the exception and probably when 583 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,079 he pied a bart pardon his whole family, that was 584 00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:36,400 probably Jill. I don't think he came into that decision. 585 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,880 I think she did it. The rest of those pardons, 586 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:43,280 j six Commission, all these come on, you think he 587 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,559 did this? That was just people walking in there and going, yeah, 588 00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:49,360 this is what we're going to do here, here's a 589 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:55,360 crayon signed Joe. And you had people, I mean, the 590 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,000 pull out of Afghanistan, which was just a complete debacle, 591 00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:01,639 had to be done, but it could have been done better. 592 00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:06,519 You had the Ukraine War, and this is a war 593 00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:12,719 that the neocons basically got the you know, forced Russia's hand. 594 00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,719 And if you don't think that that that's possible, I 595 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:22,880 mean Brazinski in nineteen seventy nine, they were bragging about 596 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,360 how they got Russia to invade Afghanistan. I mean they 597 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,440 talk about this, I mean, what was the name of 598 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,440 his book, Grand Chess Board. They talk about how they 599 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,920 can just move people, They can put people into situations 600 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,880 where they forced them to act and do things that 601 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,159 they don't really want to do. I mean, if I 602 00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:45,559 was putin I probably would have invaded in twenty fourteen. 603 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:53,199 But the after four years of seeing that no one 604 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,599 was in charge and basically you just had every interest 605 00:35:56,639 --> 00:36:01,119 group that possibly could was running around and doing whatever 606 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:04,079 they wanted to do and getting things, getting things past, 607 00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,960 taking money here. I mean, it's just it was just eluding. 608 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,719 Now you have someone in there who you know. Some 609 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,159 will say, oh, well, you know he marry a Maidelson 610 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,840 gave him a hundred million dollars, you know so well, 611 00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:19,320 Timothy Mellon gave one hundred and seventy million, Elon must 612 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,920 give him two hundred and fifty million. I don't think 613 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,360 his loyalties are just to one group. So I think 614 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,239 it's better even if Trump is completely controlled, at least 615 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,679 there's somebody he's there and he appears to be in charge. 616 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,880 I don't think he's completely controlled. I think he can 617 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,599 be influenced by smart people. It's just a matter of 618 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,199 who are those people, who are they influencing. I mean, 619 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,840 people lost their minds when he said Marco Rubia was 620 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,440 going to be Secretary of State, and I thought about 621 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,079 it for a day and I said, well, if you're 622 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,760 going to have these mass deportations, you're going to have 623 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,880 to have someone who's going to have to be able 624 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,000 to go into Latin America and talk to these people, 625 00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:05,199 and especially someone who it's communists. So Marco Rubio is 626 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,039 going to be the guy in Latin America. And what's 627 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,639 the first assignment he gets? Go to Panama. He's not 628 00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,840 going and telling BB that you know, we support you 629 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,280 in whatever you do and everything. He's not even in 630 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,519 that in that section. He's not in that milieu. He 631 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,320 is doing what you know, a bunch of us we're 632 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,559 looking at for the last year and going on. I 633 00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,000 think I see what's going on here, you know, And 634 00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:33,840 I mean, I'm not going to break my hand pat 635 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,719 myself on the back, but I called a lot of 636 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,119 this and I and I took a lot of crap 637 00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:42,239 along the way for it, and it seems like the 638 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,280 only people I continue to take crap from are the 639 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,719 people who are just completely black pilled, or they just 640 00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:48,920 they have one enemy and they can't see it, and 641 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,360 they see red whenever that is brought up or whenever 642 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,480 they look at the United States government. But I mean, 643 00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:58,719 we're what we're seeing now is we're seeing somebody who 644 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:03,920 at least when he's signing these executive orders, he's making 645 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,239 it the implication is, and sometimes he's outright saying it, 646 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,760 this is going to be good for the American people, 647 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,079 you know. And then you have someone like Tom Homan 648 00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:17,239 running around. I wish he would you tell doctor Phil 649 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,159 to go do something else. But you have him running 650 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,880 around and saying, Okay, we're just arresting. You know. Everybody's like, well, 651 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,800 Obama deported more people than you know at this rate. 652 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,440 But he's just concentrating on the most the most violent people. 653 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,760 And you're you're seeing I'm already hearing again anecdotally, people 654 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,280 who are completely frightened that they are people they know 655 00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,039 or people they know are completely frightened because they know 656 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:48,079 they're here illegally or they've over stayed their visa or whatever, 657 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,199 and they're going back They're just like, well, I mean, 658 00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:54,360 it's gonna be better off if I do it on 659 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,320 my own. Then if you know, if I'm being forced 660 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,519 to do it, I'm being arrested to do it, arrested 661 00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:04,199 and then thrown out of the country. Yeah, I don't. 662 00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:09,440 I don't see anyone who can look put it this way, 663 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:15,559 anyone who is at this point their take on everything 664 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:20,880 that's happening is to find the negative in it, to 665 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,599 find like some grand conspiracy in it. I mean, I 666 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,719 just don't know. You know, if you honestly believe that, 667 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,760 I feel bad for you, because I mean, this is 668 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,480 just the kind of thinking that the negative thinking all 669 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,639 the time is probably affecting your health or you're selling 670 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,880 you're selling something, And I mean that's basically the way 671 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,199 I'm looking at everything right now. 672 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious what do you make of Tucker right? 673 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:56,960 Because what I noticed and I recently had a long 674 00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,800 drive and you know, I listened to a lot of 675 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,800 podcasts and he you know, I listened to the episode 676 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,360 I mentioned earlier and then another one with Matt taib 677 00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:15,239 I believe is that, Look, he's not perfect, right, but 678 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,920 what is he doing right? He's platforming our friends, right, Darryl, 679 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,320 who's a mutual friend of both of us, he platformed him. 680 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:31,199 He is basically speaking on our behalf against the neo 681 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,519 cons and look, is he to my left on any 682 00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:40,360 number of issues certainly, but like, what what does America 683 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,440 look like in a world where Sean Hannity is that popular? Right? 684 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:46,880 Is it better? And again this doesn't mean that, like 685 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,039 you know, a conservative talking point got a lot of 686 00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:53,639 hits on YouTube next Stop Revolution, not at all, but 687 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,639 just to say that, I think he ot he occupies 688 00:40:56,679 --> 00:41:00,440 a very interesting place in the media eco system. 689 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,599 Speaker 3: But back to you, Pete, Well, I think I've said 690 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:10,480 this recently when in Trump's first term, Trump would come 691 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,719 out during the day and he would say we're going 692 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,519 to do this, We're going to do that, and it 693 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:17,800 was just horrible what he wanted was planning on doing. 694 00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,320 And Tucker would go on his show at night and 695 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,280 just criticize that and tear it a part of why 696 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,239 it was a bad idea and what eighty percent of 697 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,199 the time Trump would come the next day and we're 698 00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:36,760 not doing that, Tucker is Tucker has an agenda. Is 699 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,360 whatever his agenda is, I would not be surprised if 700 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,360 Tucker has people I would not be, you know, like 701 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,280 I've said this about Colonel McGregor every time he goes 702 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,239 on Judge Judge Napps Show, I stop what I'm doing 703 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,119 when when that episode drops, because in my opinion, colonel 704 00:41:56,159 --> 00:42:00,239 McGregor is putting out a message for somebody else, not 705 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,800 his message. It might be his message part of it, 706 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,519 but I believe he is transmitting information out there that 707 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,360 certain groups and certain interests want to get into the zeitgeist. 708 00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,599 And I think Tucker is the same way, except I 709 00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:20,480 think as the years have gone by, Tucker has drifted 710 00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:26,760 further towards what we want than where he was and 711 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,639 when he was promoting the Iraq war, which he does, 712 00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:32,440 you know, which he does man culpa, I mean almost. 713 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,400 It seems like every episode he brings up the fact 714 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,400 that I supported the Iraq war and I'm sorry I 715 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:43,079 was wrong, and you just don't see that. And when 716 00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,159 has Sean Hannity come out and said I was wrong 717 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:51,480 on something. No, he's an actor. He's he's if somebody 718 00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:54,280 isn't writing his lines for him, and then he's saying 719 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,960 whatever he thinks needs to be said at that time 720 00:42:57,079 --> 00:43:01,800 to keep his position or to for his reputation or whatever, 721 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,679 and it seems like Tucker doesn't care anything about that. 722 00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:08,480 And there are still going to be people who are 723 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,400 going to say, well, you know, if Tucker, if Tucker 724 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,559 is serving someone else and everything, you know, what do 725 00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,760 we know about What do we know about that person? 726 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,800 I don't know. All you can do is judge a message. 727 00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:20,719 And I don't know that there is much that I 728 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,920 disagree with Tucker. Sure, there are some things here and there. 729 00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:28,800 I wish he was a little more Yeah, I mean 730 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,400 he's He's actually talked about wasps, He's used that terminology. 731 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,679 He's called himself a wasp. He's referred to himself as 732 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:41,199 a wasp. You know. I also happen to know that 733 00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:46,119 Tucker has definitely listens to our Guys that I mean, 734 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:50,199 I've been told from a very reliable source that he 735 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,320 has listened to our Guys shows personally. It's not like 736 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,840 his producer is listening to him or his writers listened 737 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,599 to him. That he listens to him, and that there 738 00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:02,320 are conversations being had that people would be shocked by. 739 00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:05,880 I tend to when I hear stuff in the background, 740 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,400 you know, people are always like, oh, you hear stuff in 741 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,480 the background, would just trust a plan. It's like, no, 742 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,400 if you like, if you have someone feeding you information 743 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,199 and you reveal who that is, it's going to I mean, 744 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,760 they're not going to feed you information anymore, and you're 745 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,440 gonna lose a friend. You don't do that to friends. 746 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,639 So you know, I apologize when I'm like, look, you 747 00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:29,360 don't have to trust me, but here's what I'm telling you. 748 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,559 And if it comes to if it comes true what 749 00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,519 I'm telling you, then you know, it seems like my 750 00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:38,239 source is valid. And it just seems to me that 751 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,119 Tucker may be the greatest friend that we have. That 752 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,119 Mills episode, I've listened to it twice. I mean, I 753 00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,079 never take notes on a podcast, and I have two 754 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:51,320 pages of notes over here on it, and I mean 755 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,199 it was you know, I was talking to our mutual 756 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,920 friend dark Enlightenment, and he said, if I were to 757 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,599 go on a show and talk about this group of people, 758 00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,039 and I knew that I had to, you know, watch 759 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:10,840 my language. The conversation that was going on there would 760 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,079 be what I was, the things that I would say. 761 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:19,000 So how am I you know, I can only judge 762 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,119 somebody by what they're doing. What's coming out of their mouth, 763 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:29,119 what they're saying, and their intentions. Yeah, everybody may have 764 00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:32,920 intentions behind the scenes of something, you know whatever, but 765 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,559 I don't know what that is. I can just go 766 00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:36,280 by what I know. 767 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,039 Speaker 1: So again, natural pessimist, right, I mean, it should be 768 00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,320 no shock to anyone. So I think there's a common 769 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,000 objection to what we've said today, which is this is just, 770 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,559 you know, the new version of what the alt right said. 771 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,960 We're red pilling normans, We're creating a cultural revolution. I 772 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,559 would argue this is completely different for two reasons. One, 773 00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:05,960 why do we care the Tucker Carlson is saying something? 774 00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:10,119 Is it because you know he has the most viewers. No, 775 00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:14,079 it's because important people listen when he says something, right, 776 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,280 he both has. 777 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 3: I don't care. I don't care what Normy's heard that episode. 778 00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:22,159 I care what elites were listening to that episode. That's 779 00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,920 all I care about. That's why I got excited about 780 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,679 that episode because Tucker Carlson. It's like Scott Adams. I 781 00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:32,880 probably agree with Scott Adams on maybe thirty or forty 782 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,119 percent of things when I listen to him. But when 783 00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:39,239 Scott Adams is talking about, you know, racial relations, in 784 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,880 this country, or he says I can't support Israel anymore. 785 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,360 It's not just normies that listen to him. Elites listen 786 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,400 to Scott Adams, and they're hearing things and they're making 787 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,159 Maybe they haven't thought this way before. Maybe they haven't 788 00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:58,280 because they're in this ivory tower and they're protected by everything, 789 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,320 and they have guards. They don't realize what is going 790 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,360 on that all of that can fall apart that if 791 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,639 you get if this country gets bad enough, you're you know, 792 00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,079 you're going to have to hire a private army, and 793 00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:12,119 then the next person who has enough money can just 794 00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:14,760 pay that army to go is to turn on you. 795 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,639 It's about who listens to these people. I don't know 796 00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:22,679 what I mean. I have an idea of a couple 797 00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:24,920 of people that we would consider to be elites that 798 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,599 listen to me. But I know that like probably most 799 00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:32,639 of them, most of the ones that we'd be interested 800 00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:36,440 in their opinion turning in our direction. Listen to Tucker. 801 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,559 That's the only thing that's important. I'm sorry I interrupted you. 802 00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. And similarly, right, how do 803 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,719 we disprove that idea that we're just running the same 804 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,000 right wing playbook from ten years ago, you know of 805 00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:54,920 you know, shifting quote unquote the discourse. It's because it's 806 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,840 produced fruit. Right. Any number of these things, right was 807 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,719 outside of the concent actual window, certainly four years ago, 808 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,960 but I would argue eight years ago, right, all of 809 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,119 these were wild fever dreams. And the fact that the 810 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,920 Overton window has been shifted enough and not all of 811 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,280 it is from us, right. A large part of it 812 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,239 is that people react to power, and when power does 813 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,440 something that is seen after the case is being legitimate. 814 00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:23,480 And I think that's what we're seeing. Obviously, there's still 815 00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:25,639 a big fight going on. None of this is done. 816 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,519 But I think, if anything, we really owe a lot 817 00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:32,199 to Donald Trump simply for shifting the view of what 818 00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:36,199 is seen as as possible, right, because look like I 819 00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:38,840 don't want to stop here, I want to keep going. 820 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,559 There is more that needs to be done that's more 821 00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:44,239 radical than any of the things we've seen so far, right, 822 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,679 in order for this country to be you know, stable 823 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,519 and livable and that you know, real culture. Right to 824 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:53,760 return to that. And I don't think, at least from 825 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,199 my perspective, you can jump from one to the other. 826 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,400 But even I was gonna say even a five percent, 827 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,480 But let's be honest, is what like a twenty thirty 828 00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:06,360 percent jerk one direction in a few weeks? Like to me, 829 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,079 you'd be stupid to turn your nose. 830 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:14,639 Speaker 3: Up at that. Yeah. The I think I heard and 831 00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:18,119 I think I heard it from like some some progressives 832 00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:21,280 that like a poll was done recently and Trump's at 833 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,280 like a fifty nine percent approval rating. I mean, do 834 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,760 you understand what that is? Does anybody understand what that is? 835 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,440 If you take into consideration that thirty percent of the 836 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,280 country is like staunchly on one side and thirty percent 837 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,360 and thirty percent of the country is staunchly on the 838 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,559 other side, and those two those two groups will never 839 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,000 agree with each other. That means that means Trump is 840 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,000 one seventy five percent of the middle. I mean that 841 00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:58,480 would be huge, That would be insane. Yeah, and not 842 00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:01,599 And we were just talking about we're not we're not 843 00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:04,800 looking to have a normy revolution here. If you were 844 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,519 to red pill, you know, if you read pill, three 845 00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:08,920 hundred million normies, what do you do with them? But 846 00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:12,039 the Yeah, what I like to say is, you know, 847 00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:14,760 everybody thinks if there's a revolution, it's going to be 848 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,760 seventeen seventy six, but in this country it could very 849 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,280 well turn into seventeen eighty nine or seventeen ninety three 850 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,960 really quick. And you don't want either of those. You 851 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,559 don't want you don't want that one. You don't want 852 00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:28,679 a revolution at all. You know. What you want is 853 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:34,440 you want a a reconfiguring of what people are willing 854 00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:37,800 to accept. And the only way to fix all of 855 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,199 this is to do it by thea. That's the one 856 00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:43,119 thing Yarvin was right about. If you are going to 857 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,000 fix this, it has to be fixed like all at once. 858 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,519 And it seems like that's the path that it's on now, 859 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,320 you know, just talking to the people who you know, 860 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,840 listen to us, it's like, well, what are you willing 861 00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,960 to live with? What trade offs are you willing to make? 862 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,480 Politics is all about trade offfs It always has been. 863 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:09,440 The founders knew it was all about trade offs. Yeah, 864 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,039 whenever you have one side just looking to command everything, 865 00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:15,800 it just seems like there's this metaphysical force that steps 866 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,519 in and goes, all right, we're gonna have to we're 867 00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:22,400 gonna have to do something about this really quickly. What 868 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,159 are you willing to what are you wanting to what 869 00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:27,960 do you want? What do you Because if what you 870 00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:32,519 want is out of the realm of possibility, then you know, 871 00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:34,880 as our buddy you know who we mentioned a couple 872 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,199 a bunch of times, Thomas says, you're not even in 873 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,519 the game. You're you're not in the game. You're just 874 00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:44,840 basically looking to and you know another thing, he says, 875 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,800 if you want what you want, go build it yourself. 876 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,239 There's enough there's enough space in this country that you 877 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,559 can go and do your own thing. Maybe not advertise 878 00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:58,000 it like an idiot, but you know, go build your 879 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,159 own thing. Or you're willing to put up with what 880 00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:03,760 you know, You're willing to make some trade offs for 881 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,239 having things dress having a government that doesn't hate you, 882 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:09,960 and how about that? 883 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I unfortunately, Pete, I have a heart out. I've 884 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,599 really enjoyed this conversation. The reason I wanted to have 885 00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,559 you on, if it wasn't obvious, is I've been really 886 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:28,079 unsatisfied with probably ninety percent of the discourse about you 887 00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:31,320 know current thing. I get it. People are excited about it. 888 00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:32,280 I am too. 889 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,039 Speaker 3: People are not excited. People are scared to state their opinions, 890 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,280 especially content creators. Content creators are scared to put their 891 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,519 put their reputation on the line. They're scared to make 892 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:49,920 predictions because they'll they'll be wrong. I've been wrong so 893 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,320 many fucking times, and people still I think that's one 894 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,840 of the things is I always say it, Man, I 895 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,840 was really wrong about that. I got to change my thinking. 896 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,800 I think people are just scared to be wrong. They're cowards, 897 00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:05,400 They're scared to be to put themselves out there. Well, 898 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,000 I'm sorry, I've been doing this this. This is my 899 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:11,119 eighth year doing this. I've been wrong a lot, and 900 00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:13,960 I'm going to continue to be wrong. I'm going to 901 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,840 fucking deal with it. And if people don't like it, 902 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,000 well they don't have to listen. 903 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh. I have a very spotted history with 904 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,159 making predictions on the Internet, and my most recent prediction, 905 00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:30,360 which I'll admit has a certain amount of evidence that 906 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,280 you know, you will understand. My prediction is, uh, world 907 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,199 War two, anti gravity technology is coming back, and I've 908 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,760 staked my entire reputation on that. So we'll see how 909 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,559 that goes. But I know exactly what you mean, right, 910 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:49,159 is that people are so afraid of looking foolish right 911 00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:52,199 that they're they're unwilling to actually have to be honest 912 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,440 interesting ideas at all. And I mean that's exactly what 913 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,440 you know pushed me out of kind of traditional conservative politics. 914 00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:03,000 But Pete, we're we're fast coming up on time. If 915 00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:05,360 people want to find you in your work, what's a 916 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,360 good way for them to do that? 917 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:13,159 Speaker 3: The Pekana Show, all Podcastcherspete, substack dot com and the 918 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:18,880 Old Glory Club and the Inquisition and the Inquisition start 919 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,719 substack and the episode has always go up on my feed. 920 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,360 Old Glory Club episodes go up on my feed, and 921 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,800 you know, everything goes up on my substack and everywhere 922 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,519 else that I put stuff. So yep, just if you 923 00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:36,440 never't heard me before, haven't heard me before, just go 924 00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,400 to a Podcascher put put my name in there and 925 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,920 just listen to an episode. See what you think. 926 00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,159 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Pete, thanks for coming out. As far 927 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,360 as my stuff, The Jay Burden Show is available on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, 928 00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:51,320 anywhere you listen to podcasts. You want to support us, 929 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,559 you can either do that with the crypto links down 930 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:57,079 the description the markets up so why not? Or alternately, 931 00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,880 you could check out Axios Remote Fitness and Coaching can 932 00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:03,719 redid how that branding integration works, so if you've you've 933 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,000 held off, I highly recommend checking it out. Axios is 934 00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:11,079 a pretty pretty crucial part of my weekly routine, and 935 00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:14,000 i'd appreciate if you joined me again. Pete, I appreciate it, 936 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,360 and everyone at home, keep your head up well. I 937 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:36,239 can't last forever. Good Night,