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I am your host, dbe, 77 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:26.920 sex educator, pleasure expert, and romcom critic, and today we 78 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:31.560 are jumping into sparkly eyeshadow, questionable age gaps, and the 79 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:36.240 fantasy of fast forwarding puberty in thirteen going on thirty. 80 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:40.000 I am so excited, beautiful listener, that you are here 81 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.120 and here to help us dissect thirteen going on thirty 82 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:47.519 is the hilarious and thoughtful Paul Koa co host of 83 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.759 the podcast That Aged Dwell, where he and co host 84 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:54.360 Erica Vialba challenged the movies they grew up on. So 85 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:56.560 perfect fit that you're here today. 86 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:57.680 Welcome Paul, How are you? 87 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:00.680 Thank you? Applause, applause, applause. I'm here. 88 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.120 I'm ready to get into this movie that I've loved 89 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:05.399 for years without ever really rewatching. 90 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.560 So it was quite it was it was fun to 91 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:09.199 do it this way. 92 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:11.839 Oh my god, I'm so excited that you're here. I 93 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:14.560 feel like thirteen going on thirty is such an iconic 94 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.079 film that most everybody in the world question Mark has 95 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.720 seen if they have existed in. 96 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:21.639 Our So funny. 97 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:24.040 I was talking to my co host Erica, and in 98 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:26.600 our show, she is the horror fan and I am 99 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:29.439 the rom com fan. Oh okay, so she has she 100 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:32.120 will not see rom coms, so I will, like, outside 101 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.040 of like when Harry met Sally or something, she hasn't 102 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.040 seen them, so she hasn't seen this movie. 103 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:38.000 And I was like, oh no, I wish you could 104 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:38.240 come on. 105 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:41.199 She's she's just can't, she's busy, she's she's fine, she'll 106 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.439 be on our show on Monday. But I was like, 107 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:46.199 you would actually like this one, I think, right, she's 108 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:51.040 very like questioning the tropes of the genre, which is 109 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:51.639 what we're here to do. 110 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:54.000 Exactly, That's precisely what we're here to do. 111 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:57.680 Yeah, and here is a little trivia teaser that we 112 00:05:57.720 --> 00:05:59.600 are going to start with that we will give more 113 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:04.480 inform later. But several members of the Six Chicks aka 114 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:07.680 the Click in this film that bullies Jenna in middle school, 115 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:11.800 that Tom Tom aka adult Lucy is in went on 116 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:16.319 to achieve major stardom. So stick around to find out 117 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.399 who out of the Six Chicks did besides Judy Greer 118 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:23.319 of course, well obviously obviously. So yeah, wait, and to 119 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:25.399 stick around, and you're going to be very surprised, Paul, 120 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:26.079 I'm sure you are. 121 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.040 I am going to be surprised. I genuinely don't know. 122 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:29.319 This is very exciting. 123 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:30.759 This is unclear to me. 124 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:33.399 You are a pleasure expert. This is exactly what I 125 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:34.560 wanted I got here. 126 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:35.439 Thank you so much. 127 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.079 What is your relationship to this film? Tell me about 128 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.240 when you first saw it, what's your feeling behind it? 129 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:41.920 Tell me everything? 130 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:45.279 All right, Well, I was an Alias fan, loved Alias 131 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:49.639 so Garner, Jennifer Garner. You know she's making her leap 132 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.600 to movie stardom with this, right, and it comes out 133 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:54.959 and it gets good reviews. I remember, I remember the 134 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.879 Entertainment Weekly review was very positive. Oh I'm sure Mark 135 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:01.319 Ruffalo was our little like theater kid from New York 136 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:03.160 who was like a huge star in theater and he 137 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:05.079 was going to make it big and he got his 138 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:09.040 glow up and became like this romantic lead. Yes, and 139 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:11.480 he and of course Judy Greeer. I mean, oh my god, 140 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:12.519 we always love Judy Greear. 141 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:14.759 She needs she needs more credit. I have to tell you. 142 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.240 She is in everything, and she especially. 143 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.680 In everything, and she never misses never, never once has missed, 144 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:24.560 not one. Yeah, so I this came out. I absolutely 145 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:27.040 went to see it in the theater with friends, loved it, 146 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:29.759 maybe saw it one more time, and then have not 147 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:31.839 watched it since two thousand and four and always just 148 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:33.639 have had my fond memories of being. 149 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:35.560 Like thirteen going on thirty. What what a hoot? 150 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.959 Right? Yes, so this is again this podcast is perfect 151 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.399 for you because essentially we're trying to rewire our brains here. 152 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:44.519 You know, this came out in twenty four, twenty one 153 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:45.079 years ago. 154 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:46.160 There was a lot of. 155 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:50.279 Norms then that we you know, took as just this 156 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:54.560 is how it is, and we're here in our you know, twenties, thirties, forties, 157 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:58.959 fifties and beyond to refresh kind of what exactly it is, 158 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.600 what kind of message is to be received from these films, 159 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.480 And so I'm glad we're going to unpack them. 160 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:07.199 Yeah, And I also love when we look at these 161 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:10.399 films on our podcast too, and you can almost say like, oh, 162 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:14.959 this was progressive, right They Like Friends in nineteen ninety 163 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:20.600 four was progressive. It won glad Award. It was really 164 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.199 great for the gay community for what we could get 165 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.879 right back then exactly. But now, whoops, you know, it 166 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:29.480 doesn't age so well exactly. 167 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:33.879 You're the premise of your show, And dear listener, here's 168 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:36.639 a quick refresh if you are like Paul and you 169 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.320 haven't seen this film in twenty plus years. So in 170 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:42.799 thirteen going on thirty, awkward teen, Jenna Rink wishes to 171 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:47.000 be thirty, flirty and thriving when she is bullied by 172 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.399 the Six Chicks and she doesn't get to kiss her 173 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.960 middle school sweetie and she wakes up in her adult 174 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:56.240 body with no memory of how she got there, and 175 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:59.840 with the help from her dear long lost childhood bestie 176 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:04.120 Matt aka Mark Ruffalo. She tries to undo the mistakes 177 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:06.480 of her grown up, meaniral life and find her way 178 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:08.480 back to who she really is, and of course adult 179 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:12.639 Jenna Rink is beautiful Jennifer Garner. She's just stunning in 180 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:16.440 this film, so just so cute it hurts me personally. 181 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.919 Absolutely, she's so It's really interesting what they do because 182 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.559 like the obvious comp for this movie is big, and 183 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:27.120 in big, what happens is Tom Hanks starts out acting 184 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.240 like a ten or eleven year old whoever old he 185 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:32.080 isn't that movie, and he matures so like kinded. By 186 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.799 the end, he realizes he's missing childhood. He wants to 187 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:36.799 go back to childhood because he's acting like an adult. 188 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.279 They don't do that here, which I think is a 189 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:41.279 fascinating choice. 190 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:42.799 Really interesting. 191 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.679 Get uses to act like an adult now. 192 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:49.440 And that's what's so charming, is like she is such 193 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:52.399 a thirteen year old girl in a Jennifer Garner body, 194 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:58.440 which kind of lends itself to some problemsal issues, but 195 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:00.919 I guess, okay, So our next segment is called as 196 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:04.480 a kid, and you know I was a child when 197 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:06.879 this film came out twenty one years ago. I was 198 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:12.240 eleven or twelve, and I guess in terms of one 199 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:16.000 word that really describes my relationship to this film. As 200 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:20.080 a kid, it was kind of like ooh, just like 201 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:23.480 goal goals, hashtag goals. I think, like, you know, I 202 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:27.759 was Jenner Nk's teenage age almost and like didn't really 203 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.919 like wish to be thirty as a teen, but I 204 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:34.399 thought that her life looked so glamorous as this, Like yeah, 205 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:36.320 and she does too, right, She's like, I'm a full 206 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:40.360 time magazine editor. Like she loves her apartment, she's like beautiful, 207 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.000 she's sweet, she got every you know. She looks in 208 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.720 the earbook and she's like I got everything I ever wanted, right, 209 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:47.919 And it just feels like, oh wow, this is so great. 210 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:50.759 So I just feel like that's that's my one word. 211 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:52.080 What would your one word be? 212 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.919 Oh wow, this is I don't mean this to be 213 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:59.639 a cop out, but thriller. That is That is my 214 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:02.360 Because I was a bit older than you, I am 215 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:03.559 and I still am. 216 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:06.120 To this day, I'm still older than you. 217 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:09.559 Because so I saw this actually having just graduated college 218 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:12.440 in New York. I went to NYU, so like it was. 219 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:17.159 It was still aspirational, but it was also like I 220 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:19.000 knew that that's not what my apartment was going to 221 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:21.799 look like in six years. Like that was that wasn't 222 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:23.799 going to happen, and that was okay. I wasn't angry 223 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.679 at it, but like, like the struggling photographer is in 224 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:28.200 like a four bedroom in the West. 225 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:34.440 Village, right, but like charming, I guess charming more than thriller, 226 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:38.279 like just a full scale charm offensive from Jennifer Garner 227 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.799 and Mark Ruffalo and really the two of them. 228 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:42.440 Everyone else kind of gets to be a little villainous, 229 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.639 right for the most part. But that's what I remember 230 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:46.159 being charmed. 231 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:47.320 Yes, except for her. 232 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:50.440 Boss, who's not villainous. He's just like funny and. 233 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:53.799 Silly, and everyone thinks he's just British, but he's actually gay, 234 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:58.000 which is a great thing at the end, surprisingly, and he's. 235 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:00.960 Gollum, but he's Gollumn exactly. He's gone. 236 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:04.559 He also is like the villain in the Black Panther movie, 237 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:05.399 which is crazy. 238 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:06.840 You're like, whoa he has range? 239 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:07.720 Does? 240 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:10.240 He's Richard in this film he's talking about his balls 241 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:13.159 getting squished in a vault, like he's the comedic guy. 242 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:17.159 I think in this film absolutely and in terms you 243 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:19.759 kind of mentioned thriller. But I am curious, like, is 244 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:22.799 that we ask everyone what's scene to find this movie 245 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:25.240 for you? Would you say it's the thriller? Tell me 246 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:27.200 about the thriller scene if that's what it is, or 247 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:27.480 if you. 248 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:29.080 Haven't it was the thriller scene. 249 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:33.080 But what's funny is that I didn't remember anything about 250 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.320 the lead up to it. I didn't remember that it 251 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:37.639 was at like this corporate event that she was trying 252 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:39.360 to throw and she was trying to save the event 253 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:41.480 by doing the thriller dance, because that's what a thirteen 254 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:44.360 year old would do, right from nineteen eighty seven, we're 255 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:46.600 doing that situation. Like, I didn't remember any of that. 256 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:50.360 I just remember Jennifer Garner doing this dance. 257 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:51.879 I didn't. I couldn't even have said that. 258 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:53.960 Mark Ruffalo was in it. I didn't like Jenner. I 259 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:55.559 could have told you about the dress. It has like 260 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:58.240 these stripes on the bottom and this third like lime 261 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:02.000 green tops. Their boobs are pushed up. She has having 262 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:07.360 fun with her boobs the whole movie exactly. It's that scene. 263 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.559 And it's one other thing about the movie. And that 264 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:11.159 is the line, do you want to see my id? 265 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:11.879 Totally have it? 266 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:16.440 I totally have it. I do love I mean it's classic. 267 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.399 She plays that thirteen year old so well. And yeah, 268 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.639 I also agree. I'm sure that the most iconic scene 269 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:26.720 in the film is the thriller scene, especially because in 270 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:29.879 two thousand and four, Michael Jackson was not fully canceled 271 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.000 yet he was not known as a predator, and so 272 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:36.919 people could still enjoy his music without feeling guilty, and like, 273 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:40.480 you know, looking at that scene, it feels like, you know, 274 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:43.879 oh wow, thriller which came out in the eighties in 275 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:49.000 this with this iconic choreography, really was something so unique 276 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:51.840 and so different. And it's funny how you know, almost 277 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:54.679 twenty years later people are still like loving this and 278 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.399 even now I wonder, you know, twenty years after that, 279 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:01.360 what that would look like like if people would still 280 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:03.799 be going to events and doing the thriller dance, and 281 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:04.440 like what that. 282 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:07.080 Would be like or what would be the dance in 283 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:09.600 two thousand and seven, Like like, what is is there 284 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:10.200 a new thriller? 285 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:11.039 I don't know if there is. 286 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:12.919 I mean it's TikTok dances for sure. 287 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:17.320 I guess, Yeah, but yeah, I think that in terms 288 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.120 of what you were saying before about this movie being charming, 289 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:23.000 you know, like, what what do you think works about 290 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.360 this film? What do you like about it before we 291 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:27.080 of course tear to shreds. 292 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:32.039 Absolutely well, a couple of things. I like the fact 293 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:36.360 that it is not solely about the romance. The romantic 294 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:38.759 plot is it's a solid part of the film, not 295 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.919 saying it's not a big part, but like it is 296 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:46.919 more about Jenna's internal journey of realizing, hey, maybe I 297 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.440 shouldn't be an asshole when out thirteen. 298 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:50.840 Dick, she's such an asshole? 299 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:55.200 Yeah, as an adult, don't fossilize into a dick, right, 300 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:57.799 Like you know, like, look, we were all assholes at 301 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:01.039 times when we were thirteen, most assuredly, but like, you 302 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:03.879 have to evolve. And I think it's very funny that 303 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:09.360 she does not evolve, and neither do the other two 304 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:12.200 people that we track through the timeline. It's like those 305 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:16.679 people are frozen in time and they keep the same personalities. 306 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.120 And I have this like theory because of course, it's 307 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:21.919 like there's magic in this right, it's the Aultar machine 308 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:25.840 in Big Yeah, yeah exactly, And I'm like, well, is 309 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:29.399 this just a hallucination? Is this entire thing actually a hallucination? 310 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:34.799 Because everybody is the exact same person and Lucy is 311 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:37.720 not like given any depth of character, which is fine 312 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.559 because she's played by Judy Greer and she's so funny 313 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:40.440 and I love her and I don't care. 314 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.759 But like a in a for. 315 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.759 Lack of a better term, deeper movie, sure it would 316 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.159 have been interesting if there was maybe she had two 317 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:51.720 good friends, Maddie and a girl, and we got to 318 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:55.039 see also her relationship with a female best friend or 319 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:58.240 something like that, because the movie is so focused on 320 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.279 these really the relationship Maddie and to a lesser extent, 321 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:05.000 the relationship with Lucy, and how they're benefiting or not 322 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:07.799 benefiting Jenna as in her development. 323 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:10.279 Right, that's a good point. And yeah, I think that, 324 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:12.840 you know, he Mark Rufflo does kind of have this 325 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.639 monologue when he's about to get married at the end 326 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:17.480 to Wendy. 327 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:20.279 Justice for Wendy, honestly, like she. 328 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.120 Was kind of kind of annoying, she did nothing, but 329 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.639 she did nothing wrong, Like we did deserve that, we meant. 330 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:28.519 To hate her, but you know, he's kind of like, 331 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:31.080 you know, I moved on, you moved on you know, 332 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:33.639 that's her family down there, like I care about her, 333 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.080 and he's that monologue is very refreshing. I really liked 334 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:39.840 that monologue because I feel like, clearly, you know, they 335 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:41.000 share a kiss, which. 336 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.600 Is you know, he kind of cheated on his fiance 337 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.279 but yeah, not great, but he kind of admits to like, 338 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:49.159 you know, I have been feeling things these last few weeks, 339 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:51.559 and I've you know, I've always loved you, and like, 340 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:53.639 you know, I have to be honest, but like this 341 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.159 is the reality is like we are different people now, 342 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:58.360 and so yeah, I did kind of like that, And. 343 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.559 Yeah, I think so much works about this film. I 344 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:04.640 think the fact that it is magic. You know, a 345 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:08.160 lot can happen in a fantasy world. And so first 346 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:11.640 of all, the soundtrack fucking slaps you. 347 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:14.079 Put pap Benatarna soundtrack, and I will watch the movie 348 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:16.480 hands down, hands down. 349 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:17.440 I will watch ticular. 350 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:20.160 I love like, you know, she's like obsessed with Madonna 351 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:23.039 and she's a teen obviously, and she's like, I know Madonna, Madonna, 352 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.799 like write a note to her. It's just like very sweet. 353 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:28.519 It's again like that goals feeling of like when you're 354 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:30.799 a young kid and all the things that you want 355 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.200 to happen to you. It's so glamorous in this like 356 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.279 magazine world and you know, there's New York City. It's like, 357 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:38.759 it's just so fun that I think, like, yeah, the 358 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:43.079 whole film is very sweet, and I think, yeah, like 359 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:46.599 you said, the relationship that she and Maddie have it 360 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:48.839 is kind of like a solid part of the film, 361 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:53.000 but it's more about her self discovery to becoming a 362 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:55.359 better version of herself as an adult. 363 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:59.799 Yeah. And it's also it's not she doesn't get Maddie 364 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.720 at the end of the magic part, which she would 365 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:05.599 not have earned, and that I think would have been 366 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:08.440 really hard to stomach as an adult watching it for 367 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:09.319 various reasons. 368 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:12.359 But like, I like that exactly. 369 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:13.799 The speech you were talking about where he's like, no, 370 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:17.200 this isn't this isn't real. R, what's happening here? 371 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:17.519 Right? 372 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:19.599 And which was which I thought was a nice thing 373 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:20.319 in a rom. 374 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.000 Com, Right, And like you said, maybe that is maybe 375 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:25.640 the whole movie kind of in between the party scenes 376 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.640 was an illusion or some kind of thing. But then 377 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:30.559 I am very confused. We have to talk about it. 378 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.240 It's very confusing mechanics. She goes back to her thirteen 379 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:35.960 year old self. She kisses Maddie and exits her front door, 380 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.119 and then she's the one that's marrying Maddie. Yeah, what 381 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:42.079 do you think story wise happened there? Did she like, 382 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:44.680 did she skip everything? 383 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.119 Or I think it's a I think it's a movie 384 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.240 vocabulary for she didn't become an asshole. She lived her 385 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:54.680 life and she actually eventually was a lucky person who 386 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:57.079 like met their soulmate when they were thirteen, and they 387 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:58.799 actually belonged together exactly. 388 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.400 That's what I took with the Razzles. Yes, with the Wrastles. 389 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:04.799 I love that the Razzles was also like its own 390 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:07.920 character in the film. I feel like good for Razzles 391 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:08.680 for that company. 392 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:10.759 Yeah, is that a real thing. I didn't even know. 393 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:11.720 It's never even heard of. 394 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:16.000 You should go to a bodega and grab this week. 395 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:19.680 That's your homework. Okay, we need to get to the 396 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:23.359 rating before the rewatch, So I asked you to rate 397 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:25.480 the film before the rewatch. We can compare our pre 398 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.000 and postwatch ratings, but let's go over the rom com 399 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:30.440 bomb rating system first. So it's one to. 400 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.839 Five bombs, one bomb. You know, this is my big fact. 401 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:34.440 Greek wedding. 402 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.680 This is like it's dated, but I love to watch 403 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:38.599 it every year and it's so good and there's like 404 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:39.960 barely anything wrong with it. 405 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:40.559 It's amazing. 406 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:43.240 Still would recommend it, still on my list all the 407 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:46.200 way to five bombs, which is shallow, how right, it's 408 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:50.519 full body cringe? Did not age well, you know, terrible 409 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:56.200 mega yikes. Often it's you know, homophobia, xenophobia, fat phobia. 410 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.359 We're talking everything in there that's bad, bad, bad. What 411 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.599 did you rate the film before the rewatch? 412 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.720 Well, let Danielle, let me tell you when you when 413 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:09.839 you gave me this assignment, the look on my face 414 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:12.400 what I was trying to remember if they slept together? 415 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:16.079 But just as absolutely thirteen year old self. 416 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:19.240 Yes, just because again my reference is big and they 417 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:23.839 do a big do. Poor Elizabeth Perkins ends that movie 418 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.359 having to drive off into the sunset screaming forever, like 419 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:27.319 she never gets. 420 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:30.000 To stop the car because she slept the year old. 421 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:33.400 Yeah, in her defense, she did not know that, but 422 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.559 like there were clues, you know. But so I'm sitting there, 423 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:40.799 I'm like, I am ninety percent sure that they don't 424 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:43.920 sleep together, because because I remembered that, I was like 425 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:45.839 I know, like he has a girlfriend or like he's 426 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:48.720 leaving or something, and I remember that he I remember 427 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:51.160 that she didn't get him at the end in the 428 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:55.400 first in the first excuse me, in the first ending 429 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:56.400 of the. 430 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:57.759 Film, right in the first version. 431 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:00.440 Yes, yeah, So I was like, I I don't think 432 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:02.400 they slept together. So I'm like, all right, we still 433 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:05.440 have some weirdness with like the thirteen year old thing, 434 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.839 but I'm gonna confidently say a two. 435 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:12.400 Ooh, very good. I think a two is very appropriate. 436 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:16.359 I honestly think I gave it like a one point 437 00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:18.359 five because I was like, I've seen, you know, I've 438 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:21.680 probably watched this film every few years, like again, it 439 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:24.720 has like a very like special place in my heart. 440 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:27.319 I like knew about the age gap, but it wasn't 441 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:30.000 really sure like how icky it would be. So I 442 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:32.400 was like, that's probably the main thing that's wrong with 443 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:35.599 the film. And come to see, we're kind of right 444 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.599 in this, you know. I mean, like, let's transition now 445 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:41.319 to the main part of the show called That's Problematic, 446 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:44.920 where we go through a few buckets of things that 447 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:47.480 you know, to your point about your podcast just didn't 448 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:50.400 quite age well. Yeah, and the first thing is the 449 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:54.839 age gap. So Jenna is technically a thirteen year old 450 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:59.359 in the mind navigating the adult world. And there are 451 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:02.920 some moments it's right where she's kind of like seducing 452 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:06.960 Lucy's trying to get her to seduce a man at 453 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:10.119 the bar, and then she actually goes for like the 454 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:12.880 thirteen year old boy. So it's like in her head 455 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:15.759 she's thirteen, but in her body she's Jennifer Garner. 456 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:16.759 So that was really weird. 457 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:20.200 And then, you know, because she's mentally in middle school, 458 00:22:20.240 --> 00:22:23.000 we're kind of meant to think, like, oh, she's it's 459 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:25.599 just cute because she is like a little girl who 460 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:30.759 doesn't know. But obviously Maddie doesn't know the magic that 461 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:34.319 has occurred, and in his reality, she's just an adult, 462 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:38.039 and so you know, they're kind of pining after each 463 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:43.559 other while she is this thirteen year old mentally, and 464 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:45.799 you know, it kind of I find this to be 465 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.519 problemoutic because it kind of blurs these lines around, like 466 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.319 consent and maturity in a way that like isn't there's 467 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:54.559 not even a line about it, you know, like they're 468 00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:58.640 not the the writers are not cueuing the audience in 469 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:01.960 to know that they know that it's kind of weird, right. 470 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:04.720 And I think it's so funny to watch the film 471 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:06.920 and watch them like kind of learn the lessons a 472 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:09.640 big right, Like because I think they're. 473 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:12.480 Really because it is similar. 474 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:17.559 Like they're really trying to make it okay without like 475 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:19.279 you say, they don't really acknowledge it, but like you know, 476 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:22.279 she has a boyfriend. Older Jenna has a boyfriend, and 477 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:24.960 at one point they have him do a strip tease 478 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.319 and again he has no idea that that like he 479 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:30.160 for all he knows, everything is fine. This is the 480 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:32.599 woman I slept with last night. It's totally normal, right, 481 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:36.839 So hockey player, boyfriend, innocent and all of this, but 482 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.799 like he's doing the strip teas and they have her 483 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.680 like being very embarrassed as a thirteen year old. Absolutely 484 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:44.359 would as I would be at forty five if someone 485 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:47.160 did this for me. Yeah, so fair enough. But like 486 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.759 I think it's funny because like he'll start to kiss 487 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:53.119 her and she almost acts like she doesn't know where 488 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:57.720 it's going. And I'm like, I'm growing concerned about the 489 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:00.559 sex education provided by the high school that Jenna is 490 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:04.000 attending her the middle school, like she should's it should 491 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.160 be Oh yeah, she should have a baseline idea of 492 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.960 where this is going, and if she doesn't want it 493 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.319 to go there, she could just say no, I'm I 494 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:14.839 have a headache or something. I understand. Of course, she's thirteen. 495 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.759 She doesn't understand she has these options to her, and 496 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:21.200 they are trying to make it funny exactly, and to 497 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:23.839 their credit, they don't fail at making. 498 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:25.039 Some of it funny. Yeah. 499 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:27.240 Yeah, yeah, when she hits on that kid, I was like, 500 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:28.160 I forgot that part. 501 00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:30.440 That's funny. 502 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:34.880 So yeah, she's the same. 503 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:38.880 And Jennifer Garner's like acting physically like a thirteen year 504 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:41.920 old and it's it's funny in this she's so funny 505 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.079 and like she makes friends with the thirteen year old 506 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:46.400 girl that lives next door to her, and like she 507 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.640 gets a group of thirteen year old girlfriends and like 508 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:50.119 they're the way she tells about her. 509 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.480 The sleepover is hilarious. 510 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:57.599 Yeah, So it's it's really interesting because they they learned 511 00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:00.279 the lessons big enough that they were able to kind 512 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.200 of smooth over a lot of the rocky parts with humor. 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Let's go over 555 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:38.039 the trope that's like quote not like other girls, right Like, 556 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.240 this is kind of a classic romcom trope that's, you know, 557 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.000 typically in films like this that are very white, very skinny, 558 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:47.839 very straight, like el Woods kind of falls into this 559 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.279 trope of like I'm I'm a smart blonde, I'm not 560 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.599 like the other Harvard girls, right, Like there are so 561 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:59.200 many women around this time right where she's framed as special, 562 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:01.920 But in this case, it's because she's a kid, right. 563 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.920 She likes Razzles. 564 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:08.319 Her, you know, Maddie, her childhood best friend. Like, you know, 565 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.759 it's just very much it's very childish. Where like other 566 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.480 women in the film, like Lucy for example, Judy Greer 567 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:20.079 our Queen, she is portrayed as competitive and manipulative and 568 00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:25.319 shallow and even young Jenna wants to be like, you know, 569 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:28.640 cool and like the six Chicks. But ultimately, the lesson 570 00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.240 that we learn is that, like those girls are mean 571 00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:33.720 and that's fake and that's bad. But I think that 572 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.680 the problem here in lies where it's kind of does 573 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.200 this classic rom com thing where it kind of pits 574 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:44.079 women against each other and like upholds the idea of 575 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:46.559 like you know, the manic pixie dream girl kind of thing, 576 00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:50.839 or you know, being quirky or like silly or offbeat 577 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.960 kind of makes you better than other women and more desirable. 578 00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.160 Uh yes, And I think that's another thing that really 579 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.519 could have been helped if she had had a female 580 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.079 friend as well as Maddie, Like so you could have 581 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.559 seen like another relationship. Because it's fine to have a 582 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:10.400 female villain, that's fine. It's just like if that's the 583 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.319 only it's either your thirteen year old who hasn't crystallized 584 00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:15.559 into an asshole, or you're an asshole, like. 585 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:17.680 The only two options. 586 00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:20.440 And like, look, you know, her assistant seems lovely, right, 587 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:25.559 and she's you know, she's so sweet and and that's 588 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.319 kind of it as far as female representation. You know, 589 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.079 it's funny. There's I don't know if you notice this. 590 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.799 There's a woman who played I think her name is Polly. 591 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.200 She's like with them a lot, and I was like, 592 00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:37.839 that woman looks really familiar. And she's Susan Egan, who 593 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.480 was the original Bell and Beauty and the Beast on Broadway. 594 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:42.400 And I finally figured out why I knew her, and 595 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:44.519 I was like, I wonder if she had a lot 596 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:46.839 more to do in some version of the script because 597 00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.920 she's not she's not nobody that's playing this role, and 598 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.599 she really has like half a line, but she pops 599 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:53.319 up all the time. 600 00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.119 Yeah, okay, and she's very yeah, very cute. 601 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:57.000 I love that haircut. 602 00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.240 Yeah, and I'm like, I wonder if that could have 603 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:00.759 just been someone, cause she would have been at the 604 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.359 right age to be like. She also traveled with them 605 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.920 right into the future or something, and she, you know, 606 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:09.720 Polly Young was just friends with Maddy and Jenna and 607 00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.799 she and she and Naddie were cool and Jenna Knna 608 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:15.279 wasn't you know, Like, I mean, Natty at thirteen might 609 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.920 be cooler than I am. Now he has the confidence 610 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:21.799 to all the talking heads, oh I know, a middle 611 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:22.400 school party. 612 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.880 You haven't even talked about. The house that he makes 613 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.960 for her, Oh yeah, Oh my god. He makes her 614 00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:33.160 this beautiful dollhouse at thirteen that's an exact replica of 615 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.519 her home. And it's so sweet and just like the 616 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:39.880 cutest thing that a boy could ever do for a 617 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:40.599 girl that he has. 618 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:41.160 A crush on. 619 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.160 Yeah, she's like suck less. 620 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.240 Yes, I know, I know. I don't need to play 621 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:47.599 by play. 622 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:49.519 She just wants to be cool. She just hates that 623 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:50.319 she's cool. 624 00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:54.319 I love when she says I hate you, I hate me, 625 00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:58.599 I hate everything that really encapsulated like the reality I 626 00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.200 feel like of what it is to be a teenager 627 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:02.160 and the hell. 628 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.559 Yeah, it makes me think too that the other comp 629 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:07.359 for this movie is mean girls. Yes, exactly, right, like 630 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.400 what you know, perhaps not only girls, but like this 631 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.960 is the topic we're on, like what girls are trained 632 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:16.880 to feel about each other. You're in competition, You're in 633 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:20.480 some kind of you know, competition over a man. Usually 634 00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:22.519 I mean they're very young for that, but like that's 635 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:24.440 what society is putting in exactly. 636 00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.880 And yeah, mean girls. And this film, actually I believe 637 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:31.000 came out around the same time two thousand and four. 638 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:35.119 And the final kind of that's problematic bucket that we 639 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.599 have here is like what this film says about the 640 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.039 era in general. And so this was kind of peak 641 00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:46.480 like girl Boss energy, right, like magazines were on top, 642 00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:50.240 Like being thirty and single was kind of seen as 643 00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:54.279 like a crisis. But it's interesting because in this film, 644 00:31:54.720 --> 00:32:01.759 when when Judy Greer's character Lucy picks Jenna up from 645 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:05.680 her home and she is about to tell her something, 646 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.359 she goes, oh, no, you're pregnant, She's like thank God, 647 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:11.680 Like you know, I feel like that is a different 648 00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:17.359 kind of reaction than maybe most other films would react 649 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:21.079 in this way, like it kind of does seem like, oh, 650 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.759 like this kind of like women girl boss energy is 651 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.480 more important than getting the guy, which like to me, 652 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:29.960 is an advancement. 653 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.920 I feel absolutely like there's definitely whatever wave of feminine, 654 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:38.640 whatever wave of feminism it was in that early two thousands, 655 00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.400 it's there. It's definitely there. The other thing that I 656 00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:43.640 thought about when immediately when you said that was when 657 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.440 I was in that big party scene where they do 658 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:49.119 the thriller dance. I was watching all of the extras 659 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.000 in their costumes and all of the women are in 660 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.559 like heels and like the tiny little dresses like that 661 00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:59.720 was it. And the men are in the baggiest, crappiest 662 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:03.519 looking jeans and these shirts that don't fit, and this 663 00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.640 terrible haircut, and I was like, what what were women 664 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.319 accepting right from people? 665 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:09.200 Like if. 666 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:12.640 You have to get a pair of pants that fit 667 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.640 correct period end of story, like, oh my god. 668 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.880 And Jenna's outfits and like her sticks in her hair 669 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:20.880 and like all all the things. I'm just like, what 670 00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.559 is going on here? There's a lot happening, and it's. 671 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:24.160 Kind of like a lot. 672 00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:26.400 They get away with it because it's a thirteen year 673 00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:28.559 old dressing herself as a thirty year old. So you're 674 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.000 kind of like, okay, hard to you know, the lines 675 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.039 are kind of blurred there, But it does make me 676 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.599 kind of think of, you know, Devil Wears Prada, like 677 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:41.079 opening scene, Like, you know, it's all about magazines. It's 678 00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:45.559 all about models. It's all about them fucking weighing cheerios 679 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:49.480 or oatmeal and seeing how many calories they have and 680 00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.440 them kind of cut it. You know, it's all about 681 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.279 diet culture. And I do think that that peek through 682 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:56.839 a tiny bit in this film, a little bit just 683 00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:59.200 by way of who our stars. 684 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:01.079 Were, at least her female leads. 685 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:04.039 I do think Mark Ruffalo though, is kind of an 686 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.640 interesting like you said, like he came from a theater background. 687 00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:10.960 He's not really the you know, the rom com lead 688 00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:15.519 typically at this time yet, so I don't know, they 689 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.519 kind of like very slightly subvert these little birds. 690 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.119 Yeah, yeah, and I like, I it's funny. I just 691 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.960 remember when Jennifer Garner was on Alias the the the 692 00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:29.119 diatribes people would write about her abs which were to 693 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:33.039 be clear, superhuman like insane, and I'm like, okay, so 694 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:37.000 Jenna's also running around really strongly in high heels with 695 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:37.800 a bear midrift. 696 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.840 Yes, like she has ripped her her body just is spectacular. 697 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.000 And I think I think that was also clear to 698 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:48.559 me as a mid size, like kind of chubby thirteen 699 00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:50.920 year old girl, like wow, this girl is skinny and 700 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.760 she's pretty, and like that was very like she she 701 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.639 did scream lead to me as a kid when I 702 00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:01.440 first saw this, absolutely, yeah, very very you know clear 703 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.239 that that that's not I think that's what we've come 704 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:06.760 up with. I think in most of these prom coms 705 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.239 of like, you know, it almost doesn't even even need 706 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.760 to be said, but just like the white, straight, skinny 707 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:16.039 kind of like nature of all of the leads and 708 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:20.360 how that hasn't really changed until the last like five years. 709 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:21.920 Basically yeah like that. 710 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.159 I also think it's so fast. I think it's so 711 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:28.159 fascinating that even in the thriller scene there is one 712 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:32.280 black person dancing with like and like people, Yeah, the 713 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.360 DJ's black, and I'm like, okay, like what's going on here? 714 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.159 I don't think this is our culture so much, that's correct. 715 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:44.639 They Yeah, we had on Brandon Kyle Goodman for our Yes, 716 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:49.800 for our episode on Legally Blonde and they put this 717 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.320 really well of like, if you're not going home with 718 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:56.920 the black character, aka you don't know anything about their life, 719 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:01.440 their relationships, their work, then like that's not meaningful representation. 720 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:05.159 And I feel like that's just such a common thread 721 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.360 through a lot of these films is we don't go 722 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.000 home with any people of color. We don't go home 723 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:14.000 with any people like you know, Richard is the boss 724 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:18.320 who's gay, who's funny and you know, a step up 725 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:23.280 his gayness. His queerness is not the punchline, which is 726 00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:26.239 you know, there's one moment where Jenna's like, are you gay? 727 00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.400 And you know, she's genuinely unsure because she's in a 728 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:33.360 thirteen year old, you know, brain, and he just kind 729 00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:35.360 of laughs at her as kind of like a yes, 730 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:36.920 I'm gay, Like of course I'm gay. 731 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.159 But it's not the punchline. 732 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:41.519 So I think like this movie could have done better, 733 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.480 but it didn't. It did not punch down in many 734 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:45.639 ways that other films don't. 735 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:47.800 Yeah, what we always say on our show is it's 736 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:52.760 sense of omission. Yes, So it's not there's nothing outwardly offensive. 737 00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.440 It's just like it's in New York without any black 738 00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.400 people or Hispanic people, or Asian people or you know, 739 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.519 very small amount of queer people, and like everyone's kind 740 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.119 of looks the same, you know, right, which is. 741 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:06.639 You know that's what Sex and the City did, and like, 742 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:10.280 you know, there's so many very popular kind of like 743 00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:15.039 rom COMMI type things that really like led the movement for. 744 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:16.559 Many of these things. 745 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:19.480 And you know, we are doing the rewatch now and 746 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.800 we know better and we can do better in future media. 747 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:26.480 But I think we're I want to end here on 748 00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.119 the on the problematic piece with our cringe. 749 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.519 Corner, which is just like, okay. 750 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:34.239 One moment, one character, one line, one thing that you 751 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.880 found particularly cringey, I'll give you a minute to think 752 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.800 about it. For me, like, even though it is sweet, 753 00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:44.119 I will say the sleep Oversea with the thirteen year 754 00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.400 olds just because Jenna, you know, if I'm if I'm 755 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.599 a parent of one of those kids, am I gonna 756 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.840 let my teen kind of go sleep over a thirty 757 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.079 year old's house? 758 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:54.400 No? 759 00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:54.880 I will. 760 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:55.840 I will not do that. 761 00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:57.880 And so maybe if you're an Upper east Side parent, 762 00:37:58.000 --> 00:37:58.880 that's you're not really there. 763 00:37:59.000 --> 00:37:59.360 That's true. 764 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.440 At a fundraiser, they are busy. 765 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:03.719 They're at a gala, they're at. 766 00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:05.400 A gala for the rest of their lives. 767 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:06.719 They are busy. 768 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.119 But I think that, you know, in actuality is weird. 769 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.440 In the movie, it's very cute and sweet and it's 770 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.440 a cute, like music video kind of moment. But yeah, 771 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.760 the fact that she mostly relates to thirteen year olds 772 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:24.119 as an adult is tough. 773 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:24.920 It's a tough sell. 774 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.639 Yeah, I mean, I'll go with the obvious one, but 775 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:30.599 I have two. Okay, So the obvious one is, of course, 776 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.239 when they make Mark Ruffalo kiss the thirteen year old 777 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.119 exactly which is and to be fair, it's a it's 778 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.519 a relatively brief kiss and he stops it very quickly. 779 00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.199 It's Jennifer Garner's body, so you don't know. 780 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.760 He doesn't know, and he does not believe that this. 781 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.000 He just thinks she's had like a mental break or something. 782 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:49.920 He doesn't delve into it. 783 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:51.679 She's like, hey, hole, are you on drugs? 784 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:52.440 Yeah? 785 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.599 Like, okay, you're actually cool again, so I'll hang out 786 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:56.800 with you, but like, I don't know what's actually going on. 787 00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.599 The other one that I think about is the strip tease, 788 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.840 only because they have this poor guy and look, I 789 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:04.400 think he does a good job because he's supposed to 790 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:08.760 be kind of doofy, doofy. Yes, So kudos to the actor. 791 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.519 Actually don't know his name, but they put him in 792 00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:16.119 these tidy whities, and I'm like the VPL in this scene. 793 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:18.920 I would have thought I would have remembered that because 794 00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.880 I can see your penis sir like and keeps cutting back. 795 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:26.119 And his balls. For sure, it's a large bulge. 796 00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:30.599 There's three separate entities in those tidy whities. 797 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:33.480 It's like, please put him in briefs. 798 00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:36.400 I don't, at least absolutely a pair of boxers. 799 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:37.159 No problem. 800 00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.239 We don't need to see the outline. She doesn't need 801 00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.599 to see that outline. She's she's a youth. Let's let's 802 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:47.320 not bless us, not forget Okay, but now, Paul, we 803 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:52.079 get to do a rewrite. Okay, you know how we 804 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.280 would tell this story today. I kind of want to 805 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.039 jam on the idea that you've been giving of her 806 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:02.800 having a best female friend, and maybe maybe it's a lesbian. 807 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:05.880 Maybe we get that, or maybe we get that representation. 808 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.400 Maybe hang on, I don't want you to fall over 809 00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:10.679 your seat of down right. Maybe she's Asian. 810 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.320 Maybe she's an Asian girl, could be did they have 811 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.559 Asians in the nineteen eighties living in New Jersey. 812 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:18.559 I think they did. 813 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.119 I think they did was biling available. 814 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:26.360 I feel like this is a great idea because, like 815 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.440 you said, it would give that kind of extra perspective 816 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:33.800 of them being good friends without pitting women against each other. 817 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.960 And also it would kind of serve as the foil 818 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.559 to the Maddie character. Maybe she and Maddie in adulthood 819 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.679 are still friends or something, and maybe there's like a 820 00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.840 way that we can feel a little bit more comfortable 821 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:48.639 with this idea. What do you want to jam on 822 00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:49.480 this idea a little bit more? 823 00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:49.960 What do you think? 824 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:54.039 I think that I have another slight tweak that I 825 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:55.239 think might unlock something. 826 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:57.199 What if Maddie. 827 00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:59.719 Believes her that she is actually that. 828 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.679 She is actually she somehow convinces him and and our 829 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:06.400 hypothetical lesbian named. 830 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:08.119 Josephine. 831 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:12.239 Yes, she convinces Maddie and Josephine that she is actually 832 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.519 Jennifer and that then she can fall in love with 833 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:18.440 him and he does not have to fall in love 834 00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:21.559 with her, right, He does not have to have those feelings, right, 835 00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.880 And that removes because it's fine for her as a 836 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.159 thirteen year old to have a crush on growing up 837 00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.320 Mattie who looks like Mark Ruffalo, Like that's there's no 838 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:32.039 issue with that, and then she could try to kiss 839 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:34.199 him and he whoa, nope, nope, not I. 840 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:34.880 Can't do it. 841 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.599 Or let me give you one better, Paul please. This 842 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.079 is what I wrote down. What if Maddie and Jenna 843 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.599 both were fast forwarded into their adult lives. 844 00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:44.920 Oh, there you go. 845 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.840 There romance isn't so creepy because they're both thirteen year 846 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:49.280 olds and thirty year old's bodies. 847 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.119 Yes, and then you get it's like it's almost like 848 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.079 a split screen kind of situation going on, like, oh, 849 00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:56.800 Maddie's still kind of cool and he gets to figure 850 00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:00.199 out photography and Jenna's still has become an asshole and 851 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:01.559 she's like, wait, I didn't want to be an. 852 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.599 Asshole, right, I feel like this this version of it, 853 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:06.960 and we're adding in Josephine is like the best case 854 00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:10.519 scenario because honestly, usually during this time it's like, oh, 855 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.800 we need to you know, with other films, it's like, oh, 856 00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.880 I want to take out all the fucking homophobia casual 857 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:18.920 homophobia in this Like we just did a recording for 858 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:21.800 Just Friends and there's so much just casual homophobia in there. 859 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:23.280 We're like a fat suit. 860 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.400 We're like we're taking that out, like it's just very 861 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.360 obvious things. But this is like we're working, we're on 862 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.320 staff right now, we're in a writer's room. 863 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.519 Yeah, this this is free. 864 00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.480 The writers need to take some notes here. All right, Paul, 865 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:40.559 We're going to actually do our post watch rating before 866 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:42.320 I let you go here, and before we do a 867 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:43.599 trivia teaser. 868 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:44.960 Information about the six Chicks. 869 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:46.239 You were on the edge of your seat about the 870 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:47.480 and I still am. 871 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:48.639 I can't wait to tell you. 872 00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:50.920 My breath has been baited for forty minutes. 873 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.199 Tell me what your post watch after all this, after 874 00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.519 everything we've discussed, what is your post watch rating on 875 00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.440 the bomb scale one to five bombs? What do you got? 876 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.519 You started with the two where. 877 00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.000 I started with the two because I was concerned, right, 878 00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:08.400 you were worried. I'm gonna I don't think it's quite 879 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:09.679 a one, but I don't think it's a two. 880 00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.360 So I'm going to follow your leave. I think that's where. 881 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:16.840 I'm staying because after talking about the weird age gap stuff, 882 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.199 and you know how it's just kind of weird that 883 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.159 she is a thirteen year old in this in this body, 884 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.840 and I just could have been fixed with one line, 885 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:27.440 you know what I mean? Oh yeah, something to cue 886 00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:29.840 us in that, like people know. And so I'm leaving 887 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:31.840 it at a one point five. But overall it's pretty good. 888 00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:34.960 It's pretty good, very close to a one here, which 889 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:35.719 I'm happy. 890 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.280 Yes, And like you know, if it's if it's teaching 891 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.119 young people that they are going to be able to 892 00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:43.239 live in a five bedroom penthouse on the Upper East 893 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.840 Side when they're thirty, I mean, let them dream. 894 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:48.239 We need to dream. 895 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.039 And I actually, when I was preparing for this episode, 896 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:53.440 trying to think of a good trivia teaser, I learned 897 00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:57.280 that today her apartment would be worth five million dollars. 898 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:02.639 That's what people estimate, five million. But let's talk about 899 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:03.480 the trivia teaser. 900 00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:06.320 You want to know about? Okay, the famous Six Chicks. 901 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.519 If you look closely, you may see some familiar faces 902 00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:13.280 in the Six Chicks. Someone named Ashley Benson later became 903 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.599 a teen TV staple after starring in Pretty Little Liars. 904 00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:17.559 She's Pretty Little Liars. 905 00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:19.800 Absolutely, he's one of the Six Chicks and this and I. 906 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.480 Believe she also was a Cara Delavine's girlfriend, for a while. 907 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:23.800 Oh I love that knowledge. 908 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.360 I really love random like this is connected to this 909 00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:28.440 and this person knows this person and this is the 910 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:32.280 kicker here. Bree Larson was in the Six Chicks. She 911 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:36.440 was she I've noticed it yesterday. She won an Oscar 912 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.159 for Best Actress in twenty sixteen in her performance in Room. 913 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.800 And she is Missus Marvel or whatever the fuck her 914 00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:45.079 name is and Captain Marvel, and she's she's in a 915 00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:47.000 million things, and we love Larson. 916 00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:47.760 She's incredible. 917 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:50.320 She's an Alister Alister and she's a six Chick. 918 00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:51.360 Pretty incredible. 919 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:53.960 Wow, I gotta go look again because I didn't. I 920 00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:55.480 genuinely didn't clock either one. 921 00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:56.639 I know she's very tall. 922 00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:58.800 She's one of the tall, blonder ones you'll see. 923 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.760 Okay, okay, I'm excited for that. Excellent, I'm excited. 924 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:02.440 Oh my gosh. 925 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:06.679 Okay, are you ready to hear next week's trivia and 926 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:07.880 you can make some guesses in. 927 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:09.760 Your head as to what. 928 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.519 Next week. This flirty Friends with Benefits rom com started 929 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:18.519 as romance written for two male leads. Then Hollywood did 930 00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:21.360 what Hollywood does and rewrote the script, changed the title, 931 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:23.800 and added an Oscar winning woman and a sitcom star. 932 00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:27.719 Guess which movie almost gave us a queer buddy comedy 933 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.880 and ended up with a straight emotional mess instead. 934 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:33.360 It's the one with Ashton Cher And. 935 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.239 All right, people, you're getting an inside scoop here. 936 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:42.679 For I love this game. 937 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.159 It's an amazing game. Next week actually is our last 938 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.719 episode of rom Com Bomb, so so make sure you 939 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:54.599 tune in and share your guesses. Uh say, no strings 940 00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.320 attached with a rom com that you remember from growing 941 00:45:58.360 --> 00:45:59.840 up if you want us to cover it maybe in 942 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.320 a future season of roum com Bomb. By leaving a 943 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:05.599 review on Apple Podcasts, leaving a comment on Spotify, Paul, 944 00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:08.159 thank you so much for joining us today. Where can 945 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:08.800 people find you? 946 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:11.880 Oh, thank you for having me. You can find me 947 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:14.599 on that Age Well podcast dropping every Monday wherever you 948 00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.480 get your podcasts. Me and Erica we go through. We 949 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.039 do a kolonoscopy on these movies. These are long form episodes. 950 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.239 We don't skip things. We get in there and we 951 00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:26.639 talk about it. 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