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Speaker 3: welcome back to another episode of romcombomb. I am your host, dbe,
Speaker 3: sex educator, pleasure expert, and romcom critic, and today we
Speaker 3: are jumping into sparkly eyeshadow, questionable age gaps, and the
Speaker 3: fantasy of fast forwarding puberty in thirteen going on thirty.
Speaker 3: I am so excited, beautiful listener, that you are here
Speaker 3: and here to help us dissect thirteen going on thirty
Speaker 3: is the hilarious and thoughtful Paul Koa co host of
Speaker 3: the podcast That Aged Dwell, where he and co host
Speaker 3: Erica Vialba challenged the movies they grew up on. So
Speaker 3: perfect fit that you're here today.
Speaker 4: Welcome Paul, How are you?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Applause, applause, applause. I'm here.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to get into this movie that I've loved
Speaker 1: for years without ever really rewatching.
Speaker 2: So it was quite it was it was fun to
Speaker 2: do it this way.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm so excited that you're here. I
Speaker 3: feel like thirteen going on thirty is such an iconic
Speaker 3: film that most everybody in the world question Mark has
Speaker 3: seen if they have existed in.
Speaker 2: Our So funny.
Speaker 1: I was talking to my co host Erica, and in
Speaker 1: our show, she is the horror fan and I am
Speaker 1: the rom com fan. Oh okay, so she has she
Speaker 1: will not see rom coms, so I will, like, outside
Speaker 1: of like when Harry met Sally or something, she hasn't
Speaker 1: seen them, so she hasn't seen this movie.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh no, I wish you could
Speaker 2: come on.
Speaker 1: She's she's just can't, she's busy, she's she's fine, she'll
Speaker 1: be on our show on Monday. But I was like,
Speaker 1: you would actually like this one, I think, right, she's
Speaker 1: very like questioning the tropes of the genre, which is
Speaker 1: what we're here to do.
Speaker 4: Exactly, That's precisely what we're here to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here is a little trivia teaser that we
Speaker 3: are going to start with that we will give more
Speaker 3: inform later. But several members of the Six Chicks aka
Speaker 3: the Click in this film that bullies Jenna in middle school,
Speaker 3: that Tom Tom aka adult Lucy is in went on
Speaker 3: to achieve major stardom. So stick around to find out
Speaker 3: who out of the Six Chicks did besides Judy Greer
Speaker 3: of course, well obviously obviously. So yeah, wait, and to
Speaker 3: stick around, and you're going to be very surprised, Paul,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you are.
Speaker 2: I am going to be surprised. I genuinely don't know.
Speaker 2: This is very exciting.
Speaker 4: This is unclear to me.
Speaker 1: You are a pleasure expert. This is exactly what I
Speaker 1: wanted I got here.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: What is your relationship to this film? Tell me about
Speaker 3: when you first saw it, what's your feeling behind it?
Speaker 4: Tell me everything?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I was an Alias fan, loved Alias
Speaker 1: so Garner, Jennifer Garner. You know she's making her leap
Speaker 1: to movie stardom with this, right, and it comes out
Speaker 1: and it gets good reviews. I remember, I remember the
Speaker 1: Entertainment Weekly review was very positive. Oh I'm sure Mark
Speaker 1: Ruffalo was our little like theater kid from New York
Speaker 1: who was like a huge star in theater and he
Speaker 1: was going to make it big and he got his
Speaker 1: glow up and became like this romantic lead. Yes, and
Speaker 1: he and of course Judy Greeer. I mean, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we always love Judy Greear.
Speaker 4: She needs she needs more credit. I have to tell you.
Speaker 4: She is in everything, and she especially.
Speaker 1: In everything, and she never misses never, never once has missed,
Speaker 1: not one. Yeah, so I this came out. I absolutely
Speaker 1: went to see it in the theater with friends, loved it,
Speaker 1: maybe saw it one more time, and then have not
Speaker 1: watched it since two thousand and four and always just
Speaker 1: have had my fond memories of being.
Speaker 2: Like thirteen going on thirty. What what a hoot?
Speaker 3: Right? Yes, so this is again this podcast is perfect
Speaker 3: for you because essentially we're trying to rewire our brains here.
Speaker 3: You know, this came out in twenty four, twenty one
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of.
Speaker 3: Norms then that we you know, took as just this
Speaker 3: is how it is, and we're here in our you know, twenties, thirties, forties,
Speaker 3: fifties and beyond to refresh kind of what exactly it is,
Speaker 3: what kind of message is to be received from these films,
Speaker 3: And so I'm glad we're going to unpack them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also love when we look at these
Speaker 1: films on our podcast too, and you can almost say like, oh,
Speaker 1: this was progressive, right They Like Friends in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: four was progressive. It won glad Award. It was really
Speaker 1: great for the gay community for what we could get
Speaker 1: right back then exactly. But now, whoops, you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't age so well exactly.
Speaker 3: You're the premise of your show, And dear listener, here's
Speaker 3: a quick refresh if you are like Paul and you
Speaker 3: haven't seen this film in twenty plus years. So in
Speaker 3: thirteen going on thirty, awkward teen, Jenna Rink wishes to
Speaker 3: be thirty, flirty and thriving when she is bullied by
Speaker 3: the Six Chicks and she doesn't get to kiss her
Speaker 3: middle school sweetie and she wakes up in her adult
Speaker 3: body with no memory of how she got there, and
Speaker 3: with the help from her dear long lost childhood bestie
Speaker 3: Matt aka Mark Ruffalo. She tries to undo the mistakes
Speaker 3: of her grown up, meaniral life and find her way
Speaker 3: back to who she really is, and of course adult
Speaker 3: Jenna Rink is beautiful Jennifer Garner. She's just stunning in
Speaker 3: this film, so just so cute it hurts me personally.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, she's so It's really interesting what they do because
Speaker 1: like the obvious comp for this movie is big, and
Speaker 1: in big, what happens is Tom Hanks starts out acting
Speaker 1: like a ten or eleven year old whoever old he
Speaker 1: isn't that movie, and he matures so like kinded. By
Speaker 1: the end, he realizes he's missing childhood. He wants to
Speaker 1: go back to childhood because he's acting like an adult.
Speaker 1: They don't do that here, which I think is a
Speaker 1: fascinating choice.
Speaker 3: Really interesting.
Speaker 2: Get uses to act like an adult now.
Speaker 3: And that's what's so charming, is like she is such
Speaker 3: a thirteen year old girl in a Jennifer Garner body,
Speaker 3: which kind of lends itself to some problemsal issues, but
Speaker 3: I guess, okay, So our next segment is called as
Speaker 3: a kid, and you know I was a child when
Speaker 3: this film came out twenty one years ago. I was
Speaker 3: eleven or twelve, and I guess in terms of one
Speaker 3: word that really describes my relationship to this film. As
Speaker 3: a kid, it was kind of like ooh, just like
Speaker 3: goal goals, hashtag goals. I think, like, you know, I
Speaker 3: was Jenner Nk's teenage age almost and like didn't really
Speaker 3: like wish to be thirty as a teen, but I
Speaker 3: thought that her life looked so glamorous as this, Like yeah,
Speaker 3: and she does too, right, She's like, I'm a full
Speaker 3: time magazine editor. Like she loves her apartment, she's like beautiful,
Speaker 3: she's sweet, she got every you know. She looks in
Speaker 3: the earbook and she's like I got everything I ever wanted, right,
Speaker 3: And it just feels like, oh wow, this is so great.
Speaker 4: So I just feel like that's that's my one word.
Speaker 4: What would your one word be?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is I don't mean this to be
Speaker 1: a cop out, but thriller. That is That is my
Speaker 1: Because I was a bit older than you, I am
Speaker 1: and I still am.
Speaker 2: To this day, I'm still older than you.
Speaker 1: Because so I saw this actually having just graduated college
Speaker 1: in New York. I went to NYU, so like it was.
Speaker 1: It was still aspirational, but it was also like I
Speaker 1: knew that that's not what my apartment was going to
Speaker 1: look like in six years. Like that was that wasn't
Speaker 1: going to happen, and that was okay. I wasn't angry
Speaker 1: at it, but like, like the struggling photographer is in
Speaker 1: like a four bedroom in the West.
Speaker 5: Village, right, but like charming, I guess charming more than thriller,
Speaker 5: like just a full scale charm offensive from Jennifer Garner
Speaker 5: and Mark Ruffalo and really the two of them.
Speaker 1: Everyone else kind of gets to be a little villainous,
Speaker 1: right for the most part. But that's what I remember
Speaker 1: being charmed.
Speaker 4: Yes, except for her.
Speaker 3: Boss, who's not villainous. He's just like funny and.
Speaker 1: Silly, and everyone thinks he's just British, but he's actually gay,
Speaker 1: which is a great thing at the end, surprisingly, and he's.
Speaker 2: Gollum, but he's Gollumn exactly. He's gone.
Speaker 3: He also is like the villain in the Black Panther movie,
Speaker 3: which is crazy.
Speaker 4: You're like, whoa he has range?
Speaker 2: Does?
Speaker 3: He's Richard in this film he's talking about his balls
Speaker 3: getting squished in a vault, like he's the comedic guy.
Speaker 3: I think in this film absolutely and in terms you
Speaker 3: kind of mentioned thriller. But I am curious, like, is
Speaker 3: that we ask everyone what's scene to find this movie
Speaker 3: for you? Would you say it's the thriller? Tell me
Speaker 3: about the thriller scene if that's what it is, or
Speaker 3: if you.
Speaker 2: Haven't it was the thriller scene.
Speaker 1: But what's funny is that I didn't remember anything about
Speaker 1: the lead up to it. I didn't remember that it
Speaker 1: was at like this corporate event that she was trying
Speaker 1: to throw and she was trying to save the event
Speaker 1: by doing the thriller dance, because that's what a thirteen
Speaker 1: year old would do, right from nineteen eighty seven, we're
Speaker 1: doing that situation. Like, I didn't remember any of that.
Speaker 1: I just remember Jennifer Garner doing this dance.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I couldn't even have said that.
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo was in it. I didn't like Jenner. I
Speaker 1: could have told you about the dress. It has like
Speaker 1: these stripes on the bottom and this third like lime
Speaker 1: green tops. Their boobs are pushed up. She has having
Speaker 1: fun with her boobs the whole movie exactly. It's that scene.
Speaker 1: And it's one other thing about the movie. And that
Speaker 1: is the line, do you want to see my id?
Speaker 2: Totally have it?
Speaker 3: I totally have it. I do love I mean it's classic.
Speaker 3: She plays that thirteen year old so well. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I also agree. I'm sure that the most iconic scene
Speaker 3: in the film is the thriller scene, especially because in
Speaker 3: two thousand and four, Michael Jackson was not fully canceled
Speaker 3: yet he was not known as a predator, and so
Speaker 3: people could still enjoy his music without feeling guilty, and like,
Speaker 3: you know, looking at that scene, it feels like, you know,
Speaker 3: oh wow, thriller which came out in the eighties in
Speaker 3: this with this iconic choreography, really was something so unique
Speaker 3: and so different. And it's funny how you know, almost
Speaker 3: twenty years later people are still like loving this and
Speaker 3: even now I wonder, you know, twenty years after that,
Speaker 3: what that would look like like if people would still
Speaker 3: be going to events and doing the thriller dance, and
Speaker 3: like what that.
Speaker 1: Would be like or what would be the dance in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, Like like, what is is there
Speaker 1: a new thriller?
Speaker 2: I don't know if there is.
Speaker 4: I mean it's TikTok dances for sure.
Speaker 3: I guess, Yeah, but yeah, I think that in terms
Speaker 3: of what you were saying before about this movie being charming,
Speaker 3: you know, like, what what do you think works about
Speaker 3: this film? What do you like about it before we
Speaker 3: of course tear to shreds.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, a couple of things. I like the fact
Speaker 1: that it is not solely about the romance. The romantic
Speaker 1: plot is it's a solid part of the film, not
Speaker 1: saying it's not a big part, but like it is
Speaker 1: more about Jenna's internal journey of realizing, hey, maybe I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be an asshole when out thirteen.
Speaker 3: Dick, she's such an asshole?
Speaker 1: Yeah, as an adult, don't fossilize into a dick, right,
Speaker 1: Like you know, like, look, we were all assholes at
Speaker 1: times when we were thirteen, most assuredly, but like, you
Speaker 1: have to evolve. And I think it's very funny that
Speaker 1: she does not evolve, and neither do the other two
Speaker 1: people that we track through the timeline. It's like those
Speaker 1: people are frozen in time and they keep the same personalities.
Speaker 1: And I have this like theory because of course, it's
Speaker 1: like there's magic in this right, it's the Aultar machine
Speaker 1: in Big Yeah, yeah exactly, And I'm like, well, is
Speaker 1: this just a hallucination? Is this entire thing actually a hallucination?
Speaker 1: Because everybody is the exact same person and Lucy is
Speaker 1: not like given any depth of character, which is fine
Speaker 1: because she's played by Judy Greer and she's so funny
Speaker 1: and I love her and I don't care.
Speaker 2: But like a in a for.
Speaker 1: Lack of a better term, deeper movie, sure it would
Speaker 1: have been interesting if there was maybe she had two
Speaker 1: good friends, Maddie and a girl, and we got to
Speaker 1: see also her relationship with a female best friend or
Speaker 1: something like that, because the movie is so focused on
Speaker 1: these really the relationship Maddie and to a lesser extent,
Speaker 1: the relationship with Lucy, and how they're benefiting or not
Speaker 1: benefiting Jenna as in her development.
Speaker 3: Right, that's a good point. And yeah, I think that,
Speaker 3: you know, he Mark Rufflo does kind of have this
Speaker 3: monologue when he's about to get married at the end
Speaker 3: to Wendy.
Speaker 4: Justice for Wendy, honestly, like she.
Speaker 5: Was kind of kind of annoying, she did nothing, but
Speaker 5: she did nothing wrong, Like we did deserve that, we meant.
Speaker 3: To hate her, but you know, he's kind of like,
Speaker 3: you know, I moved on, you moved on you know,
Speaker 3: that's her family down there, like I care about her,
Speaker 3: and he's that monologue is very refreshing. I really liked
Speaker 3: that monologue because I feel like, clearly, you know, they
Speaker 3: share a kiss, which.
Speaker 6: Is you know, he kind of cheated on his fiance
Speaker 6: but yeah, not great, but he kind of admits to like,
Speaker 6: you know, I have been feeling things these last few weeks,
Speaker 6: and I've you know, I've always loved you, and like,
Speaker 6: you know, I have to be honest, but like this
Speaker 6: is the reality is like we are different people now,
Speaker 6: and so yeah, I did kind of like that, And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so much works about this film. I
Speaker 3: think the fact that it is magic. You know, a
Speaker 3: lot can happen in a fantasy world. And so first
Speaker 3: of all, the soundtrack fucking slaps you.
Speaker 1: Put pap Benatarna soundtrack, and I will watch the movie
Speaker 1: hands down, hands down.
Speaker 2: I will watch ticular.
Speaker 3: I love like, you know, she's like obsessed with Madonna
Speaker 3: and she's a teen obviously, and she's like, I know Madonna, Madonna,
Speaker 3: like write a note to her. It's just like very sweet.
Speaker 3: It's again like that goals feeling of like when you're
Speaker 3: a young kid and all the things that you want
Speaker 3: to happen to you. It's so glamorous in this like
Speaker 3: magazine world and you know, there's New York City. It's like,
Speaker 3: it's just so fun that I think, like, yeah, the
Speaker 3: whole film is very sweet, and I think, yeah, like
Speaker 3: you said, the relationship that she and Maddie have it
Speaker 3: is kind of like a solid part of the film,
Speaker 3: but it's more about her self discovery to becoming a
Speaker 3: better version of herself as an adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's also it's not she doesn't get Maddie
Speaker 1: at the end of the magic part, which she would
Speaker 1: not have earned, and that I think would have been
Speaker 1: really hard to stomach as an adult watching it for
Speaker 1: various reasons.
Speaker 2: But like, I like that exactly.
Speaker 1: The speech you were talking about where he's like, no,
Speaker 1: this isn't this isn't real. R, what's happening here?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: And which was which I thought was a nice thing
Speaker 1: in a rom.
Speaker 3: Com, Right, And like you said, maybe that is maybe
Speaker 3: the whole movie kind of in between the party scenes
Speaker 3: was an illusion or some kind of thing. But then
Speaker 3: I am very confused. We have to talk about it.
Speaker 3: It's very confusing mechanics. She goes back to her thirteen
Speaker 3: year old self. She kisses Maddie and exits her front door,
Speaker 3: and then she's the one that's marrying Maddie. Yeah, what
Speaker 3: do you think story wise happened there? Did she like,
Speaker 3: did she skip everything?
Speaker 1: Or I think it's a I think it's a movie
Speaker 1: vocabulary for she didn't become an asshole. She lived her
Speaker 1: life and she actually eventually was a lucky person who
Speaker 1: like met their soulmate when they were thirteen, and they
Speaker 1: actually belonged together exactly.
Speaker 2: That's what I took with the Razzles. Yes, with the Wrastles.
Speaker 3: I love that the Razzles was also like its own
Speaker 3: character in the film. I feel like good for Razzles
Speaker 3: for that company.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that a real thing. I didn't even know.
Speaker 2: It's never even heard of.
Speaker 3: You should go to a bodega and grab this week.
Speaker 3: That's your homework. Okay, we need to get to the
Speaker 3: rating before the rewatch, So I asked you to rate
Speaker 3: the film before the rewatch. We can compare our pre
Speaker 3: and postwatch ratings, but let's go over the rom com
Speaker 3: bomb rating system first. So it's one to.
Speaker 4: Five bombs, one bomb. You know, this is my big fact.
Speaker 4: Greek wedding.
Speaker 3: This is like it's dated, but I love to watch
Speaker 3: it every year and it's so good and there's like
Speaker 3: barely anything wrong with it.
Speaker 4: It's amazing.
Speaker 3: Still would recommend it, still on my list all the
Speaker 3: way to five bombs, which is shallow, how right, it's
Speaker 3: full body cringe? Did not age well, you know, terrible
Speaker 3: mega yikes. Often it's you know, homophobia, xenophobia, fat phobia.
Speaker 3: We're talking everything in there that's bad, bad, bad. What
Speaker 3: did you rate the film before the rewatch?
Speaker 1: Well, let Danielle, let me tell you when you when
Speaker 1: you gave me this assignment, the look on my face
Speaker 1: what I was trying to remember if they slept together?
Speaker 3: But just as absolutely thirteen year old self.
Speaker 1: Yes, just because again my reference is big and they
Speaker 1: do a big do. Poor Elizabeth Perkins ends that movie
Speaker 1: having to drive off into the sunset screaming forever, like
Speaker 1: she never gets.
Speaker 2: To stop the car because she slept the year old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in her defense, she did not know that, but
Speaker 1: like there were clues, you know. But so I'm sitting there,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I am ninety percent sure that they don't
Speaker 1: sleep together, because because I remembered that, I was like
Speaker 1: I know, like he has a girlfriend or like he's
Speaker 1: leaving or something, and I remember that he I remember
Speaker 1: that she didn't get him at the end in the
Speaker 1: first in the first excuse me, in the first ending
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 4: Film, right in the first version.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, So I was like, I I don't think
Speaker 1: they slept together. So I'm like, all right, we still
Speaker 1: have some weirdness with like the thirteen year old thing,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna confidently say a two.
Speaker 3: Ooh, very good. I think a two is very appropriate.
Speaker 3: I honestly think I gave it like a one point
Speaker 3: five because I was like, I've seen, you know, I've
Speaker 3: probably watched this film every few years, like again, it
Speaker 3: has like a very like special place in my heart.
Speaker 3: I like knew about the age gap, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: really sure like how icky it would be. So I
Speaker 3: was like, that's probably the main thing that's wrong with
Speaker 3: the film. And come to see, we're kind of right
Speaker 3: in this, you know. I mean, like, let's transition now
Speaker 3: to the main part of the show called That's Problematic,
Speaker 3: where we go through a few buckets of things that
Speaker 3: you know, to your point about your podcast just didn't
Speaker 3: quite age well. Yeah, and the first thing is the
Speaker 3: age gap. So Jenna is technically a thirteen year old
Speaker 3: in the mind navigating the adult world. And there are
Speaker 3: some moments it's right where she's kind of like seducing
Speaker 3: Lucy's trying to get her to seduce a man at
Speaker 3: the bar, and then she actually goes for like the
Speaker 3: thirteen year old boy. So it's like in her head
Speaker 3: she's thirteen, but in her body she's Jennifer Garner.
Speaker 4: So that was really weird.
Speaker 3: And then, you know, because she's mentally in middle school,
Speaker 3: we're kind of meant to think, like, oh, she's it's
Speaker 3: just cute because she is like a little girl who
Speaker 3: doesn't know. But obviously Maddie doesn't know the magic that
Speaker 3: has occurred, and in his reality, she's just an adult,
Speaker 3: and so you know, they're kind of pining after each
Speaker 3: other while she is this thirteen year old mentally, and
Speaker 3: you know, it kind of I find this to be
Speaker 3: problemoutic because it kind of blurs these lines around, like
Speaker 3: consent and maturity in a way that like isn't there's
Speaker 3: not even a line about it, you know, like they're
Speaker 3: not the the writers are not cueuing the audience in
Speaker 3: to know that they know that it's kind of weird, right.
Speaker 1: And I think it's so funny to watch the film
Speaker 1: and watch them like kind of learn the lessons a
Speaker 1: big right, Like because I think they're.
Speaker 3: Really because it is similar.
Speaker 1: Like they're really trying to make it okay without like
Speaker 1: you say, they don't really acknowledge it, but like you know,
Speaker 1: she has a boyfriend. Older Jenna has a boyfriend, and
Speaker 1: at one point they have him do a strip tease
Speaker 1: and again he has no idea that that like he
Speaker 1: for all he knows, everything is fine. This is the
Speaker 1: woman I slept with last night. It's totally normal, right,
Speaker 1: So hockey player, boyfriend, innocent and all of this, but
Speaker 1: like he's doing the strip teas and they have her
Speaker 1: like being very embarrassed as a thirteen year old. Absolutely
Speaker 1: would as I would be at forty five if someone
Speaker 1: did this for me. Yeah, so fair enough. But like
Speaker 1: I think it's funny because like he'll start to kiss
Speaker 1: her and she almost acts like she doesn't know where
Speaker 1: it's going. And I'm like, I'm growing concerned about the
Speaker 1: sex education provided by the high school that Jenna is
Speaker 1: attending her the middle school, like she should's it should
Speaker 1: be Oh yeah, she should have a baseline idea of
Speaker 1: where this is going, and if she doesn't want it
Speaker 1: to go there, she could just say no, I'm I
Speaker 1: have a headache or something. I understand. Of course, she's thirteen.
Speaker 1: She doesn't understand she has these options to her, and
Speaker 1: they are trying to make it funny exactly, and to
Speaker 1: their credit, they don't fail at making.
Speaker 2: Some of it funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when she hits on that kid, I was like,
Speaker 1: I forgot that part.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 4: So yeah, she's the same.
Speaker 1: And Jennifer Garner's like acting physically like a thirteen year
Speaker 1: old and it's it's funny in this she's so funny
Speaker 1: and like she makes friends with the thirteen year old
Speaker 1: girl that lives next door to her, and like she
Speaker 1: gets a group of thirteen year old girlfriends and like
Speaker 1: they're the way she tells about her.
Speaker 2: The sleepover is hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's it's really interesting because they they learned
Speaker 1: the lessons big enough that they were able to kind
Speaker 1: of smooth over a lot of the rocky parts with humor. Right,
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean the parts aren't rocky, It just
Speaker 1: means like they made them go down easier.
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Speaker 3: So we went over the age gap. Let's go over
Speaker 3: the trope that's like quote not like other girls, right Like,
Speaker 3: this is kind of a classic romcom trope that's, you know,
Speaker 3: typically in films like this that are very white, very skinny,
Speaker 3: very straight, like el Woods kind of falls into this
Speaker 3: trope of like I'm I'm a smart blonde, I'm not
Speaker 3: like the other Harvard girls, right, Like there are so
Speaker 3: many women around this time right where she's framed as special,
Speaker 3: But in this case, it's because she's a kid, right.
Speaker 4: She likes Razzles.
Speaker 3: Her, you know, Maddie, her childhood best friend. Like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just very much it's very childish. Where like other
Speaker 3: women in the film, like Lucy for example, Judy Greer
Speaker 3: our Queen, she is portrayed as competitive and manipulative and
Speaker 3: shallow and even young Jenna wants to be like, you know,
Speaker 3: cool and like the six Chicks. But ultimately, the lesson
Speaker 3: that we learn is that, like those girls are mean
Speaker 3: and that's fake and that's bad. But I think that
Speaker 3: the problem here in lies where it's kind of does
Speaker 3: this classic rom com thing where it kind of pits
Speaker 3: women against each other and like upholds the idea of
Speaker 3: like you know, the manic pixie dream girl kind of thing,
Speaker 3: or you know, being quirky or like silly or offbeat
Speaker 3: kind of makes you better than other women and more desirable.
Speaker 1: Uh yes, And I think that's another thing that really
Speaker 1: could have been helped if she had had a female
Speaker 1: friend as well as Maddie, Like so you could have
Speaker 1: seen like another relationship. Because it's fine to have a
Speaker 1: female villain, that's fine. It's just like if that's the
Speaker 1: only it's either your thirteen year old who hasn't crystallized
Speaker 1: into an asshole, or you're an asshole, like.
Speaker 2: The only two options.
Speaker 1: And like, look, you know, her assistant seems lovely, right,
Speaker 1: and she's you know, she's so sweet and and that's
Speaker 1: kind of it as far as female representation. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. There's I don't know if you notice this.
Speaker 1: There's a woman who played I think her name is Polly.
Speaker 1: She's like with them a lot, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that woman looks really familiar. And she's Susan Egan, who
Speaker 1: was the original Bell and Beauty and the Beast on Broadway.
Speaker 1: And I finally figured out why I knew her, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if she had a lot
Speaker 1: more to do in some version of the script because
Speaker 1: she's not she's not nobody that's playing this role, and
Speaker 1: she really has like half a line, but she pops
Speaker 1: up all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and she's very yeah, very cute.
Speaker 4: I love that haircut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, I wonder if that could have
Speaker 1: just been someone, cause she would have been at the
Speaker 1: right age to be like. She also traveled with them
Speaker 1: right into the future or something, and she, you know,
Speaker 1: Polly Young was just friends with Maddy and Jenna and
Speaker 1: she and she and Naddie were cool and Jenna Knna
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, Like, I mean, Natty at thirteen might
Speaker 1: be cooler than I am. Now he has the confidence
Speaker 1: to all the talking heads, oh I know, a middle
Speaker 1: school party.
Speaker 3: You haven't even talked about. The house that he makes
Speaker 3: for her, Oh yeah, Oh my god. He makes her
Speaker 3: this beautiful dollhouse at thirteen that's an exact replica of
Speaker 3: her home. And it's so sweet and just like the
Speaker 3: cutest thing that a boy could ever do for a
Speaker 3: girl that he has.
Speaker 4: A crush on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like suck less.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know, I know. I don't need to play
Speaker 3: by play.
Speaker 4: She just wants to be cool. She just hates that
Speaker 4: she's cool.
Speaker 3: I love when she says I hate you, I hate me,
Speaker 3: I hate everything that really encapsulated like the reality I
Speaker 3: feel like of what it is to be a teenager
Speaker 3: and the hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me think too that the other comp
Speaker 1: for this movie is mean girls. Yes, exactly, right, like
Speaker 1: what you know, perhaps not only girls, but like this
Speaker 1: is the topic we're on, like what girls are trained
Speaker 1: to feel about each other. You're in competition, You're in
Speaker 1: some kind of you know, competition over a man. Usually
Speaker 1: I mean they're very young for that, but like that's
Speaker 1: what society is putting in exactly.
Speaker 3: And yeah, mean girls. And this film, actually I believe
Speaker 3: came out around the same time two thousand and four.
Speaker 3: And the final kind of that's problematic bucket that we
Speaker 3: have here is like what this film says about the
Speaker 3: era in general. And so this was kind of peak
Speaker 3: like girl Boss energy, right, like magazines were on top,
Speaker 3: Like being thirty and single was kind of seen as
Speaker 3: like a crisis. But it's interesting because in this film,
Speaker 3: when when Judy Greer's character Lucy picks Jenna up from
Speaker 3: her home and she is about to tell her something,
Speaker 3: she goes, oh, no, you're pregnant, She's like thank God,
Speaker 3: Like you know, I feel like that is a different
Speaker 3: kind of reaction than maybe most other films would react
Speaker 3: in this way, like it kind of does seem like, oh,
Speaker 3: like this kind of like women girl boss energy is
Speaker 3: more important than getting the guy, which like to me,
Speaker 3: is an advancement.
Speaker 1: I feel absolutely like there's definitely whatever wave of feminine,
Speaker 1: whatever wave of feminism it was in that early two thousands,
Speaker 1: it's there. It's definitely there. The other thing that I
Speaker 1: thought about when immediately when you said that was when
Speaker 1: I was in that big party scene where they do
Speaker 1: the thriller dance. I was watching all of the extras
Speaker 1: in their costumes and all of the women are in
Speaker 1: like heels and like the tiny little dresses like that
Speaker 1: was it. And the men are in the baggiest, crappiest
Speaker 1: looking jeans and these shirts that don't fit, and this
Speaker 1: terrible haircut, and I was like, what what were women
Speaker 1: accepting right from people?
Speaker 2: Like if.
Speaker 1: You have to get a pair of pants that fit
Speaker 1: correct period end of story, like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: And Jenna's outfits and like her sticks in her hair
Speaker 3: and like all all the things. I'm just like, what
Speaker 3: is going on here? There's a lot happening, and it's.
Speaker 2: Kind of like a lot.
Speaker 3: They get away with it because it's a thirteen year
Speaker 3: old dressing herself as a thirty year old. So you're
Speaker 3: kind of like, okay, hard to you know, the lines
Speaker 3: are kind of blurred there, But it does make me
Speaker 3: kind of think of, you know, Devil Wears Prada, like
Speaker 3: opening scene, Like, you know, it's all about magazines. It's
Speaker 3: all about models. It's all about them fucking weighing cheerios
Speaker 3: or oatmeal and seeing how many calories they have and
Speaker 3: them kind of cut it. You know, it's all about
Speaker 3: diet culture. And I do think that that peek through
Speaker 3: a tiny bit in this film, a little bit just
Speaker 3: by way of who our stars.
Speaker 4: Were, at least her female leads.
Speaker 3: I do think Mark Ruffalo though, is kind of an
Speaker 3: interesting like you said, like he came from a theater background.
Speaker 3: He's not really the you know, the rom com lead
Speaker 3: typically at this time yet, so I don't know, they
Speaker 3: kind of like very slightly subvert these little birds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I like, I it's funny. I just
Speaker 1: remember when Jennifer Garner was on Alias the the the
Speaker 1: diatribes people would write about her abs which were to
Speaker 1: be clear, superhuman like insane, and I'm like, okay, so
Speaker 1: Jenna's also running around really strongly in high heels with
Speaker 1: a bear midrift.
Speaker 3: Yes, like she has ripped her her body just is spectacular.
Speaker 3: And I think I think that was also clear to
Speaker 3: me as a mid size, like kind of chubby thirteen
Speaker 3: year old girl, like wow, this girl is skinny and
Speaker 3: she's pretty, and like that was very like she she
Speaker 3: did scream lead to me as a kid when I
Speaker 3: first saw this, absolutely, yeah, very very you know clear
Speaker 3: that that that's not I think that's what we've come
Speaker 3: up with. I think in most of these prom coms
Speaker 3: of like, you know, it almost doesn't even even need
Speaker 3: to be said, but just like the white, straight, skinny
Speaker 3: kind of like nature of all of the leads and
Speaker 3: how that hasn't really changed until the last like five years.
Speaker 4: Basically yeah like that.
Speaker 1: I also think it's so fast. I think it's so
Speaker 1: fascinating that even in the thriller scene there is one
Speaker 1: black person dancing with like and like people, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: DJ's black, and I'm like, okay, like what's going on here?
Speaker 1: I don't think this is our culture so much, that's correct.
Speaker 3: They Yeah, we had on Brandon Kyle Goodman for our Yes,
Speaker 3: for our episode on Legally Blonde and they put this
Speaker 3: really well of like, if you're not going home with
Speaker 3: the black character, aka you don't know anything about their life,
Speaker 3: their relationships, their work, then like that's not meaningful representation.
Speaker 3: And I feel like that's just such a common thread
Speaker 3: through a lot of these films is we don't go
Speaker 3: home with any people of color. We don't go home
Speaker 3: with any people like you know, Richard is the boss
Speaker 3: who's gay, who's funny and you know, a step up
Speaker 3: his gayness. His queerness is not the punchline, which is
Speaker 3: you know, there's one moment where Jenna's like, are you gay?
Speaker 3: And you know, she's genuinely unsure because she's in a
Speaker 3: thirteen year old, you know, brain, and he just kind
Speaker 3: of laughs at her as kind of like a yes,
Speaker 3: I'm gay, Like of course I'm gay.
Speaker 4: But it's not the punchline.
Speaker 3: So I think like this movie could have done better,
Speaker 3: but it didn't. It did not punch down in many
Speaker 3: ways that other films don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what we always say on our show is it's
Speaker 1: sense of omission. Yes, So it's not there's nothing outwardly offensive.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's in New York without any black
Speaker 1: people or Hispanic people, or Asian people or you know,
Speaker 1: very small amount of queer people, and like everyone's kind
Speaker 1: of looks the same, you know, right, which is.
Speaker 3: You know that's what Sex and the City did, and like,
Speaker 3: you know, there's so many very popular kind of like
Speaker 3: rom COMMI type things that really like led the movement for.
Speaker 4: Many of these things.
Speaker 3: And you know, we are doing the rewatch now and
Speaker 3: we know better and we can do better in future media.
Speaker 3: But I think we're I want to end here on
Speaker 3: the on the problematic piece with our cringe.
Speaker 4: Corner, which is just like, okay.
Speaker 3: One moment, one character, one line, one thing that you
Speaker 3: found particularly cringey, I'll give you a minute to think
Speaker 3: about it. For me, like, even though it is sweet,
Speaker 3: I will say the sleep Oversea with the thirteen year
Speaker 3: olds just because Jenna, you know, if I'm if I'm
Speaker 3: a parent of one of those kids, am I gonna
Speaker 3: let my teen kind of go sleep over a thirty
Speaker 3: year old's house?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I will.
Speaker 4: I will not do that.
Speaker 1: And so maybe if you're an Upper east Side parent,
Speaker 1: that's you're not really there.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: At a fundraiser, they are busy.
Speaker 2: They're at a gala, they're at.
Speaker 3: A gala for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 4: They are busy.
Speaker 3: But I think that, you know, in actuality is weird.
Speaker 3: In the movie, it's very cute and sweet and it's
Speaker 3: a cute, like music video kind of moment. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the fact that she mostly relates to thirteen year olds
Speaker 3: as an adult is tough.
Speaker 4: It's a tough sell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll go with the obvious one, but
Speaker 1: I have two. Okay, So the obvious one is, of course,
Speaker 1: when they make Mark Ruffalo kiss the thirteen year old
Speaker 1: exactly which is and to be fair, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a relatively brief kiss and he stops it very quickly.
Speaker 3: It's Jennifer Garner's body, so you don't know.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know, and he does not believe that this.
Speaker 1: He just thinks she's had like a mental break or something.
Speaker 2: He doesn't delve into it.
Speaker 4: She's like, hey, hole, are you on drugs?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like, okay, you're actually cool again, so I'll hang out
Speaker 1: with you, but like, I don't know what's actually going on.
Speaker 1: The other one that I think about is the strip tease,
Speaker 1: only because they have this poor guy and look, I
Speaker 1: think he does a good job because he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be kind of doofy, doofy. Yes, So kudos to the actor.
Speaker 1: Actually don't know his name, but they put him in
Speaker 1: these tidy whities, and I'm like the VPL in this scene.
Speaker 1: I would have thought I would have remembered that because
Speaker 1: I can see your penis sir like and keeps cutting back.
Speaker 4: And his balls. For sure, it's a large bulge.
Speaker 1: There's three separate entities in those tidy whities.
Speaker 3: It's like, please put him in briefs.
Speaker 1: I don't, at least absolutely a pair of boxers.
Speaker 2: No problem.
Speaker 3: We don't need to see the outline. She doesn't need
Speaker 3: to see that outline. She's she's a youth. Let's let's
Speaker 3: not bless us, not forget Okay, but now, Paul, we
Speaker 3: get to do a rewrite. Okay, you know how we
Speaker 3: would tell this story today. I kind of want to
Speaker 3: jam on the idea that you've been giving of her
Speaker 3: having a best female friend, and maybe maybe it's a lesbian.
Speaker 3: Maybe we get that, or maybe we get that representation.
Speaker 1: Maybe hang on, I don't want you to fall over
Speaker 1: your seat of down right. Maybe she's Asian.
Speaker 3: Maybe she's an Asian girl, could be did they have
Speaker 3: Asians in the nineteen eighties living in New Jersey.
Speaker 4: I think they did.
Speaker 1: I think they did was biling available.
Speaker 3: I feel like this is a great idea because, like
Speaker 3: you said, it would give that kind of extra perspective
Speaker 3: of them being good friends without pitting women against each other.
Speaker 3: And also it would kind of serve as the foil
Speaker 3: to the Maddie character. Maybe she and Maddie in adulthood
Speaker 3: are still friends or something, and maybe there's like a
Speaker 3: way that we can feel a little bit more comfortable
Speaker 3: with this idea. What do you want to jam on
Speaker 3: this idea a little bit more?
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 1: I think that I have another slight tweak that I
Speaker 1: think might unlock something.
Speaker 2: What if Maddie.
Speaker 4: Believes her that she is actually that.
Speaker 1: She is actually she somehow convinces him and and our
Speaker 1: hypothetical lesbian named.
Speaker 2: Josephine.
Speaker 1: Yes, she convinces Maddie and Josephine that she is actually
Speaker 1: Jennifer and that then she can fall in love with
Speaker 1: him and he does not have to fall in love
Speaker 1: with her, right, He does not have to have those feelings, right,
Speaker 1: And that removes because it's fine for her as a
Speaker 1: thirteen year old to have a crush on growing up
Speaker 1: Mattie who looks like Mark Ruffalo, Like that's there's no
Speaker 1: issue with that, and then she could try to kiss
Speaker 1: him and he whoa, nope, nope, not I.
Speaker 4: Can't do it.
Speaker 3: Or let me give you one better, Paul please. This
Speaker 3: is what I wrote down. What if Maddie and Jenna
Speaker 3: both were fast forwarded into their adult lives.
Speaker 2: Oh, there you go.
Speaker 3: There romance isn't so creepy because they're both thirteen year
Speaker 3: olds and thirty year old's bodies.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then you get it's like it's almost like
Speaker 1: a split screen kind of situation going on, like, oh,
Speaker 1: Maddie's still kind of cool and he gets to figure
Speaker 1: out photography and Jenna's still has become an asshole and
Speaker 1: she's like, wait, I didn't want to be an.
Speaker 3: Asshole, right, I feel like this this version of it,
Speaker 3: and we're adding in Josephine is like the best case
Speaker 3: scenario because honestly, usually during this time it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: we need to you know, with other films, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I want to take out all the fucking homophobia casual
Speaker 3: homophobia in this Like we just did a recording for
Speaker 3: Just Friends and there's so much just casual homophobia in there.
Speaker 4: We're like a fat suit.
Speaker 3: We're like we're taking that out, like it's just very
Speaker 3: obvious things. But this is like we're working, we're on
Speaker 3: staff right now, we're in a writer's room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this is free.
Speaker 3: The writers need to take some notes here. All right, Paul,
Speaker 3: We're going to actually do our post watch rating before
Speaker 3: I let you go here, and before we do a
Speaker 3: trivia teaser.
Speaker 4: Information about the six Chicks.
Speaker 2: You were on the edge of your seat about the
Speaker 2: and I still am.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to tell you.
Speaker 1: My breath has been baited for forty minutes.
Speaker 3: Tell me what your post watch after all this, after
Speaker 3: everything we've discussed, what is your post watch rating on
Speaker 3: the bomb scale one to five bombs? What do you got?
Speaker 4: You started with the two where.
Speaker 1: I started with the two because I was concerned, right,
Speaker 1: you were worried. I'm gonna I don't think it's quite
Speaker 1: a one, but I don't think it's a two.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to follow your leave. I think that's where.
Speaker 3: I'm staying because after talking about the weird age gap stuff,
Speaker 3: and you know how it's just kind of weird that
Speaker 3: she is a thirteen year old in this in this body,
Speaker 3: and I just could have been fixed with one line,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Oh yeah, something to cue
Speaker 3: us in that, like people know. And so I'm leaving
Speaker 3: it at a one point five. But overall it's pretty good.
Speaker 3: It's pretty good, very close to a one here, which
Speaker 3: I'm happy.
Speaker 1: Yes, And like you know, if it's if it's teaching
Speaker 1: young people that they are going to be able to
Speaker 1: live in a five bedroom penthouse on the Upper East
Speaker 1: Side when they're thirty, I mean, let them dream.
Speaker 4: We need to dream.
Speaker 3: And I actually, when I was preparing for this episode,
Speaker 3: trying to think of a good trivia teaser, I learned
Speaker 3: that today her apartment would be worth five million dollars.
Speaker 3: That's what people estimate, five million. But let's talk about
Speaker 3: the trivia teaser.
Speaker 4: You want to know about? Okay, the famous Six Chicks.
Speaker 3: If you look closely, you may see some familiar faces
Speaker 3: in the Six Chicks. Someone named Ashley Benson later became
Speaker 3: a teen TV staple after starring in Pretty Little Liars.
Speaker 2: She's Pretty Little Liars.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, he's one of the Six Chicks and this and I.
Speaker 1: Believe she also was a Cara Delavine's girlfriend, for a while.
Speaker 4: Oh I love that knowledge.
Speaker 3: I really love random like this is connected to this
Speaker 3: and this person knows this person and this is the
Speaker 3: kicker here. Bree Larson was in the Six Chicks. She
Speaker 3: was she I've noticed it yesterday. She won an Oscar
Speaker 3: for Best Actress in twenty sixteen in her performance in Room.
Speaker 3: And she is Missus Marvel or whatever the fuck her
Speaker 3: name is and Captain Marvel, and she's she's in a
Speaker 3: million things, and we love Larson.
Speaker 4: She's incredible.
Speaker 2: She's an Alister Alister and she's a six Chick.
Speaker 4: Pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: Wow, I gotta go look again because I didn't. I
Speaker 1: genuinely didn't clock either one.
Speaker 4: I know she's very tall.
Speaker 3: She's one of the tall, blonder ones you'll see.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm excited for that. Excellent, I'm excited.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Okay, are you ready to hear next week's trivia and
Speaker 3: you can make some guesses in.
Speaker 2: Your head as to what.
Speaker 3: Next week. This flirty Friends with Benefits rom com started
Speaker 3: as romance written for two male leads. Then Hollywood did
Speaker 3: what Hollywood does and rewrote the script, changed the title,
Speaker 3: and added an Oscar winning woman and a sitcom star.
Speaker 3: Guess which movie almost gave us a queer buddy comedy
Speaker 3: and ended up with a straight emotional mess instead.
Speaker 2: It's the one with Ashton Cher And.
Speaker 3: All right, people, you're getting an inside scoop here.
Speaker 2: For I love this game.
Speaker 3: It's an amazing game. Next week actually is our last
Speaker 3: episode of rom Com Bomb, so so make sure you
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Speaker 3: review on Apple Podcasts, leaving a comment on Spotify, Paul,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us today. Where can
Speaker 3: people find you?
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for having me. You can find me
Speaker 1: on that Age Well podcast dropping every Monday wherever you
Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Me and Erica we go through. We
Speaker 1: do a kolonoscopy on these movies. These are long form episodes.
Speaker 1: We don't skip things. We get in there and we
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Speaker 1: a long commute, if you've got a boring job with
Speaker 1: data entry, sure we are your ticket to some giggles. Yes,
Speaker 1: well that's happening.
Speaker 3: Yes, and We will put that in our show notes
Speaker 3: for folks, and yeah, Paul, you rock.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. I had
Speaker 2: a great time.
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