WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:08.199 Hmm. 2 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:18.160 Coming to you from the dining room table at East 3 00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:22.359 Barbary Lane. Welcome to a very special edition of Full 4 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:28.559 Circle the Podcast. Last our last episode, I racked my 5 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:30.800 brain in the morning trying to figure out what a 6 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:37.200 useful response was to the news. There's just so much 7 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:41.439 going on, and you know, within our own community of 8 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:45.439 trans and gender non performing folk, there's we're playing whack 9 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:48.600 a mole in this country, and uh, you know, we 10 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:52.240 have another mass shooting in you of all Texas, and 11 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:56.399 you know, there's nothing I'm going to say that that 12 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:00.759 every raging liberals isn't saying, and I'm going to leave 13 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:04.599 that to them. We are in the very fortunate position 14 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:08.239 of having a dear friend who is a two time 15 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:14.599 Peabody Award winning radio host. For thirty five years, almost 16 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:17.239 thirty five years in Philadelphia and more than thirty five 17 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:22.319 years throughout this country. She has hosted children's radio. She 18 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:27.719 hosts WXPN's Kids Corner, which I you know, with the 19 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:30.959 advent of technology, is no longer just a little local show. 20 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:34.599 You can listen to Kids Corner almost anywhere and we'll 21 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:38.359 provide that link. Welcome to the Full Circle Table. 22 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:42.120 Kathy O'Connell thank you, Thank you so much. It's so 23 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:45.400 cool to be here at your table, like I've never 24 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:50.200 been there anywhere any time you read more. But yes, 25 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:53.480 and thank you for that kind introduction, and I will 26 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.799 try to live up to it because the fact is, 27 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.599 as soon as I thought about Okay, music forbid, where 28 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:02.840 do you go for bad times? I went back to 29 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:05.920 and you're talking about, you know, going back a long way, 30 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:13.000 the Challenger, and that kind of was where my go 31 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:19.080 to comes from, which is the Rainbow Connection. The Rainbow Connection, which, 32 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:21.879 if you've ever seen the documentary about Paul Williams who 33 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:25.840 Will Know is the most popular song or well known 34 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:30.039 song in the world. But it also is this self 35 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:35.879 reflective why song about things that have no explanation and 36 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.680 no answer. And the thing is, in a world where 37 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:42.840 adults and kids are really kind of dealing with the 38 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:50.280 same horrendous experience at once, we're all in that scene, 39 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:55.000 but we're all you know on that you know, in 40 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:57.719 that canoe with Kermit or however the Muppet Show starts, 41 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:03.039 you know, goes there. But that's the fact. And it's 42 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:07.360 times like that when kids immediately are asking, you know, 43 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:11.879 are asking all, you know, questions that we don't have 44 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:15.439 an answer to. Yeah, and that not only do we 45 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:18.240 not have an answer to, but the answer we may 46 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:21.199 have in the moment it may be so you know, 47 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.800 full of emotion that we're really not doing ourselves or 48 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:27.879 our kids. You have that much good And aren't you 49 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.280 glad you asked one simple question that I just went 50 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:30.639 off on. 51 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:34.039 Okay, I'm going to come back to it. Do you 52 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:38.280 even ask a question I didn't yet? 53 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:40.560 You know, we didn't even say who we were yet. 54 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:44.879 For I am Martha Magical and I am Charles Tyson Junior. 55 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:48.520 Okay we got that. Yeah, Okay, there, my goodness. Thank you. 56 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.439 See he pays attention to the details. 57 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.360 Yeah, that's why he's the producer. 58 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:56.960 I know, I know. I just I sit here and 59 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:01.039 try to be pretty and you do for thank you. 60 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:05.960 For those who don't know your show, would you give 61 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:06.759 us an overview? 62 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:10.080 It's a basically a call in radio show for kids. 63 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:16.319 It's aimed at officially at ages six through twelve. I 64 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:18.639 get them all over the place, and you know, I've 65 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:21.399 done it so long now that I get kids who 66 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:23.720 grew up listening to me, who are now adults who 67 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.399 may have children of their own, or who may not 68 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:29.720 have children of their own right who also definitely listen 69 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:36.519 to me. And but uh, it started out as every 70 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:41.399 day call ins, but technology and changes in the last 71 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.720 couple of years especially, have evolved to the point where 72 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:49.439 it's live with call ins two nights a week and 73 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:51.920 that's me and the kids just talking to each other. 74 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:56.199 And the rest of the time it's a mix of science, 75 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:01.240 you know, conversations and you know, regular contributors and guests 76 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:04.800 on a variety of subjects that are interesting to kids, 77 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:08.800 like you know, science and pets and and you know, 78 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.680 it's something that you're actually going to learn from occasionally. 79 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:13.959 Right and book. 80 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:18.959 But but what what it really is, it's a sales 81 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:21.519 show that you learn from occasionally. 82 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:25.560 We will we will get to Soupy. He's on here. 83 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:28.920 Did you want to get to Soupy now? And just 84 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:29.800 get that out of the now? 85 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:32.759 Okay, not yet, but just as an explanation a part 86 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:34.639 of my approach, Yeah. 87 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:36.839 No, And it's and it's an amazing approach. And it's 88 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:42.079 always fascinated me that you know, in this era of 89 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:46.759 screen time, you know when kids are just bombarded with 90 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:50.959 with visual things and and and they've got video games 91 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.959 and they've got they've got smartphones in front of them, cocoa, lemon, 92 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.399 you melon or whatever. You still have a loyal listener ship. 93 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:01.000 I don't even know. You still have a loyal listenership 94 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:05.240 of children who call in, who pay attention, you know, 95 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:07.439 and get that time on the radio, either to answer 96 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:11.680 a question or play an instrument or you know. And 97 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:13.720 a lot of the times, I know you do have topics, 98 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.360 so they're calling in to share something specific. One of 99 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:20.560 the things I learned I never realized this as a 100 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:24.360 kid is until I had children of my own who 101 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:29.759 were your listeners. There's a big difference between kind of 102 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:35.399 talking at kids and talking to kids, and that you 103 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.199 are the master of talking to kids and really with them. 104 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:43.680 That's true. Seen you do it. Yeah, Well it amazes 105 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.920 me because you get them to talk. You get really 106 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:48.720 shy children to talk to you. 107 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:53.160 And I wish I knew how, and I kind of do. 108 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:55.920 But because I've been thinking about this as we you know, 109 00:06:56.079 --> 00:07:02.040 came to the last few days to you know, the 110 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:05.360 real crux of it. And I finally came to it 111 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:09.920 while I was walking my dog, and that is I 112 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:13.639 nobody ever talked in my family. We talked we were 113 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:19.079 funny and witty and you know, said a lot and 114 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:21.759 talked at each other and you you know, I can 115 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:25.480 tell you a million stories about my family, but as 116 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:33.319 far as talking with us about anything, and without going 117 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:37.759 into a whole lot of detail, let's just say, my 118 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:41.879 there's a line from All about Eve, What a story? 119 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:45.319 Everything but the Bloodhounds snapping at a rear end. And 120 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:49.279 that's basically my childhood. And you know, life as it 121 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:53.879 is for so many people, and nobody in my family 122 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:59.600 kind of ever talk to us about it. So things 123 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:04.319 just happened and I didn't realize when I was a kid. Well, 124 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:07.040 you know, the one thing you just know when you're 125 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:10.279 a kid is that you are powerless, right, you know, 126 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:15.120 because really you are. And if you don't think you 127 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.480 have any power to ask, well, wait a minute, what's 128 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.079 going on here? And you know what about me? If 129 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.759 you don't think you have that power to ask, that 130 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.560 nobody's going to give it to you, especially if they 131 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:31.480 came from a family where nobody ever talked to each other. Right. 132 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:37.440 So I just think maybe part of it is a 133 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:40.039 I was always a really good babysitter, you know, I 134 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:43.600 just really was be you know, I love to talk, 135 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:49.519 but also no, no grown up like really ever kind 136 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:53.919 of talk to me like that in my life, right, 137 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:56.720 and maybe I learned from from not having it. 138 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:01.120 And you know, my my parents are probably about ten 139 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.879 years older than or younger than yours would be, so like, 140 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.679 you know, but there's still that kind of depression generation. 141 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:11.559 And they didn't they didn't include us. They you know, 142 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.960 we picked up, we gleaned from their conversations and what 143 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:18.879 we overheard, but we weren't part of the conversation. You've 144 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.679 even at times brought in experts on your show, Okay 145 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.840 to talk about really hard things like domestic violence and 146 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:32.879 sexual abuse and hopefully spark conversations. And that that to 147 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:36.399 me is incredible because it is giving children that agency 148 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:37.639 that they don't have. 149 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:41.840 And the vast majority of kids, as I said, you know, 150 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.480 it's a call and show and it's great, and the 151 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.360 interaction of me with kids, it is a lot of 152 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:50.600 fun to listen to. But the fact is the vast 153 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.000 number of kids who are listening to kids corner and 154 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:56.480 who might get something out of what I'm doing, do 155 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:00.799 not call and may just be the kid who's sitting 156 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:04.919 in a bedroom in you know, the middle of nowhere 157 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:08.559 and thinks they're nobody else like them in the world. 158 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:12.840 And here's somebody who knows what they're talking about, right, 159 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:20.080 talk to them and validate you, saying, yeah, you should 160 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:25.480 not be getting hit you, you know that, just letting them 161 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:29.159 know that, Yeah, here's somebody who knows what they're talking 162 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:36.519 about telling you something directly. And my role in that is, Okay, 163 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:41.120 here's somebody you know. You know, she's an idiot on 164 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:44.279 the radio, but you know her and she's bringing her 165 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:48.000 so there's a certain level of trust. 166 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:50.960 Yeah, and that is amazing. 167 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:57.759 I am grateful every day, as you know, I do do. 168 00:10:58.000 --> 00:10:59.840 I fell into this, you know. 169 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.720 When when we were emailing back and forth, I mentioned 170 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.200 I wear pink because I think that. 171 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.320 Was the first. 172 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:15.120 And I do wear conversation some of it, some of 173 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:19.919 it has come from you. So I'm going to say, uh, 174 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.320 there is no question and should be no question that 175 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:27.480 Kathy O'Connell is a staunch ally to the trans community. 176 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.679 My wardrobe reflects it, my heart reflects it. And you know, 177 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:37.080 I know many of the trans folks who are now 178 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:41.000 walking around as adults, who you have walked with over 179 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:44.360 the years and now they're they're turning thirty, and they're vibrant, 180 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:48.399 and they're they're out there being anarchists and shaking things up, 181 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:54.440 rabble browsers, and I adore it. But I remember, and 182 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:57.159 I think you brought the song to my attention because 183 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:00.879 there was an email you had gotten pushedback. Yes, I 184 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:02.679 think was that the first time somebody called you an 185 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:05.200 anarchist or what was the term communist? 186 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:10.080 Six months go by and I don't get called the communists. 187 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:16.720 It's something you know, And I'm not flipping up to 188 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:18.320 my union ancestors. 189 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:20.840 Thank God for public radio. 190 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:25.519 Yeah, and and honestly, I'm surprised I don't get a 191 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:30.600 whole lot more complaints just because we'll get it. We'll 192 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:34.360 get deeply into the other stuff I do play, But yeah, 193 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:37.399 we should. Background. The song is called I Wear Pink. 194 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.000 It's from a band called Hullabaloo, which is basically two 195 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:46.000 guys from California, and the song was introduced at a 196 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:49.799 gathering of kids independent artists KINDI Artists. We had a 197 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:54.600 w XPN for Kindy coom and Steve Denis, the musician 198 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.960 who wrote who created it, got up on stage during 199 00:12:57.960 --> 00:12:59.919 a showcase was like, I just wanted to like cut 200 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:02.159 test out this song and I forget this is the 201 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:05.639 audience to do it with, and it's you know it. 202 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:09.720 The first lyrics are, you know, I play with dolls 203 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.200 and I wear pink. I don't care at all what 204 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:18.120 anybody thinks. And it's just this, you know, he is 205 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.960 who he is, and I kind of think it's, you know, 206 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:27.120 given what's come after it and the loud, proud music 207 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:30.279 that's come out since then a few years ago, it's 208 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.480 kind of middle. You know, really, this is what you're 209 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:36.919 excited about. Because when and I got a letter, I 210 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:41.440 got an email about it, an angry email from a parent. 211 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:45.600 You know, I know the homosexual agenda was in there somewhere. 212 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.360 You know, I know that was mentioned in there. But 213 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:54.039 you know, and I for and this, like we said, 214 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:56.759 thank god for Public Radio forwarded it because I'm a 215 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:00.639 good company girl. I am. Lisa Simpson routed it to 216 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.679 my bosses just to say, just so you're aware, you know, 217 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:13.879 fallen mama commie again, should I respond? And luckily I 218 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.279 also I have a program director who once said to me, 219 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:20.399 when I responded, shall we say angrily to that? To something? 220 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.840 Someone said, why don't you just respond? Thank you for 221 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:28.039 your thoughts. And he said that to me years ago, 222 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.799 and it's like, you know, so I go and I 223 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:32.480 said to both, do you want me to say thank 224 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:34.879 you for your You know, I'll respond if you want. 225 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:39.639 And you know, my program director said, no, some things 226 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.240 just don't deserve response if you want to, but it 227 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.559 really doesn't deserve response, like you, dude, don't listen to me. 228 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:48.200 Good thank you. 229 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:48.720 For your thoughts. 230 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:50.080 That sounds like bless your heart. 231 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:55.600 Yeah, it does exactly. I didn't stop playing it. And 232 00:14:55.840 --> 00:15:00.960 and oh there's so much more. Yeah, think you're going 233 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.840 to complain about I wear a pig? Oh wait, wait, 234 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:05.399 do you hear. 235 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:06.080 Say their names? 236 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:08.360 Yeah? 237 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:11.679 We are gonna. Yeah, we are going to put together 238 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.840 a playlist that we will share with this episode, and 239 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:19.200 a lot of it is now talking about trans and 240 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:23.879 gender nonconforming kids. And you know, it's amazing to me. 241 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:26.240 It's just amazing to me because a lot of the 242 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:32.639 debate is around what is age appropriate, and it's like, oh, 243 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:37.960 come on, because kids are so resilient. And you know, 244 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:42.279 I say often, our real fight is that we are real. 245 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:47.840 That's that's our biggest you know, because everyone coming against 246 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:52.480 us with religion and politics is that's their premise that 247 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:55.879 we don't really exist, we don't know ourselves, and they 248 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:59.919 know us better. And there's all this music coming out 249 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:05.480 for children that just says you're real, you're real, and 250 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:09.440 you play it. There's some great stuff out. 251 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:13.720 There I got to jump into and because truly I 252 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:17.879 point that's what I do, that's my job, and that's 253 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:23.200 I pointed things that some incredible people have created. And 254 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:27.919 the fact is, if if there were not a market 255 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:32.679 for this music, and that market is we are everywhere, 256 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:41.600 trans families, every kid, every five year old, no a 257 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:46.559 trans kid or no someone or no. They may not 258 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:50.120 know the words for it yet, but they're just okay, 259 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:54.639 it's you know, another person, it's part of who you are. 260 00:16:56.200 --> 00:17:01.080 And kids are so accepting. And the fact is, these 261 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:06.039 are wonderful musicians who are singing from their hearts and 262 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:11.359 you know, truly creating from their hearts. But also because 263 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.880 they say, there's many more of us out there, there's 264 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:19.799 many more parents of trans kids and allies of trans kids, 265 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:25.759 and teachers and kids of trans people who all operate 266 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:34.880 together and vote please us, But who exist? You know, 267 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:42.359 Billy Tipton, look them up. Okay, Billy Tipton and if 268 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:45.079 you're scratching your head, learn your history. 269 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:46.559 Oh yeah, there you go. 270 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:51.240 And we need to recognize that, you know, just because 271 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:55.160 we try to wrap kids' brains in bubble wrap, that 272 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:59.359 does not make them stupid. You know, they can see, 273 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:01.880 they can hear, they know what's going on around them. 274 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:01.880 So. 275 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:04.160 They do. 276 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:09.720 And another element of that to two turls is and 277 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:12.319 this is like, there's an old joke about the kid 278 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:14.920 who says to his you know parents, where did they 279 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:16.799 come from? And they go into a whole song and 280 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:20.599 dance explaining reproduction and science and blah blah, and all 281 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:23.119 they want to know is so, you know, Joey said 282 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:27.440 he's from Hoboken. I want you know where from? You know, 283 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:32.519 Lily on Modern Family, my parents are gay, so I'm gay. 284 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:38.240 She announced, I'm gay. You know it. It's like there's 285 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:44.319 they're so you can you can send out a message 286 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:47.920 without hitting kids and people over the head with it, right, 287 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:52.519 and the whole Oh honey, this is how you're supposed 288 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.799 to think. Genre of kids music, which thankfully has kind 289 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:02.799 of gone by the wayside long ago, has been replaced 290 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:09.240 and energized by this energy of more energy of real life, 291 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:12.079 and you see it reflected in a lot of subject matter, 292 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:16.720 including racial equality and issues of you know, issues of 293 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:19.960 things that are being shut down all over the Oh 294 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:23.000 you were attempted to be shut down. But you can't. 295 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:25.279 You know, you can't stop the beat you. 296 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:27.880 Get out of my head, lady. 297 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:30.680 It always gets back to show tunes. 298 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:36.079 It always does, it really does, you know. In through 299 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:42.920 the pandemic, we actually so our bar was closed because 300 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:45.960 normally when you're what, you know, your show is on 301 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:50.440 at seven thirty our time or seven to eight our time, 302 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:52.000 so we would be in the bar and we would 303 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:56.160 be working, and you know everybody wanted to watch Jeopardy, 304 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:01.839 right yeah, yeah, But during the pandemic, but we were 305 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:04.519 regular listeners, and you know, I don't know how many 306 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:08.319 times how many songs came out of what was going 307 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:11.119 on at the moment, you know, with the you know, 308 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:16.400 the protests and all of that, like say their names Yes, 309 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:17.400 which made me. 310 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:20.519 I was sitting on the couch sobby he was because 311 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:23.000 that song was so perfect in every way. 312 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:23.680 Yeah. 313 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:27.279 I've learned to just put Shazam on auto when Kids 314 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:29.519 Corner is on because because I get tired of picking 315 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:30.920 up my phone every time I hear a song going 316 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:31.319 what's that? 317 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:32.400 What's that? What's that? 318 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:39.480 And by the way, on the air, exactly exactly working. 319 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:45.000 But you know you're my my media guru. Anyway, that's 320 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:48.640 just another aspect of it. It's like, Wow, this is 321 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:51.559 kid's music. Wow, I'm gonna put this on my playlist. 322 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:52.599 Wow, you know. 323 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:57.400 And I get to point at it. I get to 324 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:02.519 point to the real world being done by and and 325 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:04.279 I have to I have to give a shout out 326 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:08.559 right now to radio we w EE and it's uncle Devin, 327 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:14.880 who is a brilliant drummer and radio person who created 328 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:19.559 a radio show on the pacifica station out of Washington, 329 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:23.119 and we can we can address this today or even 330 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:28.279 do another whole thing on this about the how white 331 00:21:28.359 --> 00:21:32.599 The Grammys were a few years ago at a time 332 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:36.680 when a lot of music was being created by people 333 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:43.279 of color about their own experience historically, and also then 334 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:48.200 Black Lives Matters, you know, came to the streets where 335 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:53.440 people came together in the streets to address some of this, 336 00:21:53.799 --> 00:22:00.759 and and the Grammys, their nominations in the kid Music 337 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:07.000 category did not reflect the brilliance of the music being 338 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:13.599 made that year, right, It was basically, uh, it was 339 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:16.599 basically a bunch of white people at a time when 340 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:19.240 some of the most brilliant music I have ever heard 341 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:22.359 it almost forty years of kids music was being created 342 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:27.680 by a couple of artists saw Paul Piers Freelan just 343 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:34.039 you know, brilliant, brilliant stuff, and Hugue there's the name, 344 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:38.440 and a lot of artists got to another and said, 345 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:40.480 way to you know, white and black, you know, people 346 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:43.759 of color and white said hey, wait a minute, here's 347 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:48.720 all this great stuff, and we know it's being made 348 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:52.880 by a real variety of people. How come it's not 349 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:56.799 being reflected in the thing that's supposed to reflect the 350 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:00.240 best of our industry. Right now, we can do a 351 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:02.480 whole thing about how I do not actually believe the 352 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.599 Grammys to reflect the best of our industry, and blah 353 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:08.759 blah blah, they don't ask me, right, But and the 354 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:13.160 good work the Grammys do and and truly do, which 355 00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:16.799 has now been magnified because as more people of color 356 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:23.440 have entered the Grammy system and have increased the you know, 357 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:28.920 the representation of these songs of power, of power and 358 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:35.880 empowerment and songs that you know, black women in history uh, 359 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:41.200 black people created stem these are actual songs, by the way. Up. 360 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:44.680 I'll give you the playlist, you know. And Uncle Devin 361 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:47.359 out of Radio Wei and you can find it online. 362 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:52.359 And we love we love Uncle Devin that he plays 363 00:23:53.079 --> 00:24:00.200 everything I play. I play the music. I like he 364 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:06.000 plays such a rich mix of music for kids of 365 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:08.960 color because and I know you have heard me say this, 366 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:13.599 black people got money now, and we have to stop 367 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:17.519 approaching people of color like they're the poor relations. 368 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:19.839 Right right right, right right, because. 369 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:22.839 Too much media, you know, just it just does all right. 370 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:27.240 I think this was the first year when when when 371 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:32.079 the Grammy nominations were announced in the in the kids category, 372 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:35.319 that you said, I'm good with whoever wins. 373 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:38.480 Yes, I really was. And I wasn't just saying that 374 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.160 to be nice, right. 375 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.240 I know it was us. I mean you wouldn't have 376 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:42.599 been there. 377 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.680 You would have just said, well really, you know. 378 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:49.240 But you had said it's come so far quickly. 379 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:55.240 Yeah, it really did, and and it and it's not. 380 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.359 I don't Also, I don't want to make a people. 381 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:00.880 I don't want to make it sound like people who 382 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:04.160 have joined this genre who are not white, you know, 383 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.480 white guys with guitars we've always been white guys with guitarists. 384 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:09.079 You know, I don't want to make it sound like 385 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:11.319 they're just you know, all doing this hit you over 386 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.720 the head with you know, politics and history and and 387 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:22.480 all of that. There's this rich, just you know, mosaic 388 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:28.039 that the music that we are being just we are 389 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:33.720 being enriched. Fine, yes, and just so just check out 390 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:41.640 artists who got together the All One Tribe Collective by 391 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.880 Aaron Nigel Smith and I you know, I'm not I'm 392 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:51.480 go find it One Tribe Collective like there are well 393 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:56.759 and just as the Songs for Trans and Binary Kids collection, 394 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:03.279 there are artists who are putting together or empowering collections 395 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:08.000 of these songs and of these messages that are available 396 00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:11.920 in a way directly to kids and families like they 397 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:16.759 never have been before. And by supporting the artists directly, 398 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:20.839 you know, by their CDs. Yeah you don't have a 399 00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:23.559 CD player, Go find one, Go ask Grandma for a 400 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:29.559 CD player. Buy there there online stuff by they can 401 00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:34.519