Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice
mix in some vodka. We call it a podcast from
the Mac of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven
by Victor Chrysler Dots Jeep Ram. It's Billified, the Bill
Moran Podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, Hello and welcome Bill's fans. Man. I was a
now bier today. Thanks for getting your pot on. Thanks
for telling a friend. That's how we spread the word
about the pirate ship. We're gonna be doing a separate
podcast and we'll tell you more about it. Like father,
like son. What Jamison got to go to his first
home Bills game? You've seen the Bills in Tampa? What
don't do this?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 4: All that?
Speaker 3: Turn me up?
Speaker 2: Turn you up?
Speaker 3: Vo? I can't hear myself. Yeah that's good.
Speaker 2: Too, loud?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 2: Okay? Did you have fun? You need to talk?
Speaker 3: We're on the podcast.
Speaker 2: You have fun? Okay? What are you doing down there?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: You're so excited about I can tell you have a
You're like me. When you think you got something fun,
you can't help it. You get this dumb lug under
your face. Guy play it? Yeah, No, I don't know him.
Speaker 4: I sure in your mouth you freaking stinker. This is
why you were a poopy pants. And Jameson is cool.
Jameson swings into the room and everyone looks at him,
saying he's so cool and very hot and not ugly like.
Speaker 2: Hiss dad, Come on, man, wow, I.
Speaker 4: Wanted to be like Jameson and not Bill Morian. Oh
my god, Bill Morian looks like a raisin. And Jameson
is so cool and not a poopy pants and dfo
do not forget to wipe his but after his took
a fat atomic dump.
Speaker 2: This is this has become my life. Now all right,
let's let let's talk a little bit about the Bills experience.
Did you enjoy it? We tailgated, We went up with
a guest of Greg Connors. Today. We sat in the dude,
focus focus here, focus phone down. Let's focus is down. So,
I mean, what did you think?
Speaker 3: Overall? I think it was nice. It got a little close,
like I was on the edge of my seat some
of the times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well it was close, and I think I
already knew.
Speaker 3: We were going to win, so like in the middle
of the game, I was just shopping on Grail.
Speaker 2: See, I didn't know we were going to win.
Speaker 3: I knew we were gonna win. We're the best team
ever and we're going to the NFL.
Speaker 2: We're in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I'm ever gonna go to the
super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Okay, I stopped, just stop please? So uh, I think
you're gonna hear a lot of talk about the defense
and whether or not it was good or bad. I
would say this as the game went on, when it
mattered the most, it was there. Von Miller came back
from a pretty tough injury. He got a sack. I
think that this team when it mattered. I mean, look,
in the second half, the Arizona Cardinals didn't get a
touchdown except for a return on special teams, which is
what the dynamic kickoff is supposed to do, and we're
supposed to see more of that throughout the season. So
I'm not sure that it was that the defense is
as bad as people expected. I think that there were
a lot of penalties. The Bills should have been up
at fourteen. I didn't think they were bad.
Speaker 3: I thought they were horrible.
Speaker 2: I think as as.
Speaker 3: They left everybody open, you could have broken off because
no one's gonna throw to somebody who's out about breakoff
and go to the player.
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying, but I think like when
it mattered, and I think here's here's the thing. The
first game of the season is always kind of a
tough one because you don't know really what you're getting.
I think he got a lot of new names on
the on the Buffalo Bills, a lot of new players
out there. For guys who are veterans on the team,
it's different guys making the plays, not the ones they're
used to see. I think that Josh looked fantastic despite
the fumble. You know, two rushing touchdowns, two passing touchdowns.
It's a lot of points to have to put up
plus the two field goals in order to win. That
maybe the way it has to be with this defense.
You're right, but I think they're gonna start getting better
and better as time goes on. And they were very
resilient and again they didn't give up a touchdown in
the second half. So for me, I go first game
of the season, you could walk away going The Arizona
Cardinals are great. I will say this, Marvin Harrison Junior,
great player, not an impact in this game. I think
Kean Coleman Buffalo Bills, taken later in the draft. Impact
player for the Bills. He had a couple of great catches.
Speaker 3: That happens all the time, though, people who were chosen later,
like people like Tom Brady and stuff like that, always
end up being the better player.
Speaker 2: Well you would think, yeah, yes, it's it feels that way, but.
Speaker 3: No, it's but it's almost always that way. If they
name a great and we'll go look them up, and
I promise they weren't around.
Speaker 2: One somebody who was great, it was great.
Speaker 3: To name somebody, not somebody you know was a round one,
someone that is just oblivious to you, but you know
is really good.
Speaker 2: Was or is playing now?
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. Answer the question.
Speaker 2: Boy, I don't know that I can actually answer the
question because I'm trying to. I'm trying to think of
a There was a player that went number one in
the draft and he did get the New England Patriots
to a super Bowl, and then Tom Brady came in his.
Speaker 3: Face from Florida was just a completely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a bust.
Speaker 3: He was bad.
Speaker 2: You're right, and look, it's so, do you know how
good you have to be to suck at the NFL?
Really good?
Speaker 3: You can go into the NFL and you'll always suck.
Does that mean you're good?
Speaker 2: Okay? Then well in order to get a look at
and an opportunity, Jamison for a team to even Yeah,
but if they just.
Speaker 3: Let you on the field and see just for a minute,
like they will make a wish.
Speaker 2: Kid, that's not the same thing. That's what you said.
That is not what I said. That is not.
Speaker 3: What you said.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jameson, that's not what all right, let's talk about Uh.
Speaker 3: Everybody kid would suck on that field. Major.
Speaker 2: But there will be a lot of talk about the
Bills in future podcasts as we go on here.
Speaker 3: But tell them about you that you got. What Tell
about the hat you got?
Speaker 2: What about the hat I got from Greg Connors? It's nice,
thank you.
Speaker 3: I want to put it looks good from here at
your head very well, hats don't because you got a
weird head.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I've had my fashion critique. I've had uh gosh.
Speaker 3: He went out in a green vest with a red
shirt under it. And what kind of seeds did you
have on?
Speaker 2: Tell them I had on my black black books, black books, well,
my black books. Why why, why are you gonna do
this to me, why do you torture books? You know
what I need? I need a nice drink at an
upscale bar. That's why I would go to Cobblestone unmade.
What why are you saying.
Speaker 3: That find every way to turn?
Speaker 4: Got it?
Speaker 2: Cobblestone on Maine, I'm telling you right now. One on
nine West Main Street in the village of Webster. They
do you have been there? You have been there and
they and the food is exceptional. We had Jordan's graduation
party there and that was it was great his graduation.
Speaker 3: Everybody was chief in the nachos.
Speaker 2: Well did you get some nachos? Fairly? Okay, Well we'll
have to go back to Jordan.
Speaker 3: Don't even have milk. And that boy was scarfing him down.
He was just vacuuming it to his mouth.
Speaker 2: Because the food at Cobblestone on Main is just that good.
Check it out for yourself. One on nine West Main
Street in the village of Webster. Talk to me about
the first h couple of couple of days of school.
Speaker 3: First, I might even go lie the first I think
maybe the second day was like the worst day. Why,
I don't know, just wasn't very good. Like we jumped
into our stuff. Every class was good besides l A.
Speaker 2: Every class you just said it was the worst day.
But every class was good but.
Speaker 3: One, Yeah, so it ruined it. But no, but like
everything was like kind of thrown off from me.
Speaker 2: That's a bit okay. Yeah, but you bounced back on Friday.
Speaker 3: I bounced back to Friday hours. I really wanted to
be at school, like I didn't. I wasn't even thinking
of my head, I can't wait to get home.
Speaker 2: I was like, just you enjoyed it. Yeah, yeah, and
you're liking it. Huh, you're making friends.
Speaker 3: I got a few.
Speaker 2: All right, that's good. Basketball stuff will start this week.
Anything that you learned this week? What what are you
noticing about Fairport? And compared to where you were in Alabama?
Speaker 3: I think I maybe ahead on the curriculum a little bit.
Speaker 2: Now. That would be weird because most people think that
the it would be a little backwards in Alabama. But
you think you're a little bit ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like because I was just firing through
questions when they were asking them, like, it's just it
comes easy to me in science.
Speaker 2: I love science, okay, And what about what about some
of the other stuff.
Speaker 3: Algebra's my favorite class, though, algebra is yeah, mister mister
Wagner of freaking.
Speaker 2: Funny, okay, And they keep your attention all right.
Speaker 3: They make math fun instead of saying thirteen, like, he'll
never slip up. Instead of saying thirteen, they'll always say Marino,
like if it's thirteen point five or thirteen point four.
Speaker 2: I was kind of hoping Miami was gonna lose, but
they won today. They beat Jacksonville. They were down fourteenth
three or.
Speaker 3: I don't really care who they got Xavier le get right,
or is that the Carolina pathers, No, I think that's yeah,
it is Jacksonville, Jacksonville. Yeah, Jacksonville's Xavier ly Get.
Speaker 2: So compare, compare the like the kids in Athens to
the kids the same. They're the same.
Speaker 3: Everywhere you go. I promise everybody's a copy and paste.
Nothing's real. I'm telling you guys. Dad's gonna laugh and
think it's a joke.
Speaker 2: I'm not laughing.
Speaker 3: Everything's nothing's real. Everybody is the same no matter where
you go. Don't ever go somewhere different. Think everybody's gonna
be the same, even if you're in a foreign country.
If you really like break down, who the people are
everybody's the same, nobody's different.
Speaker 2: So so then the idea that so then I think,
right there, you've just eliminated well our hatred, right, why
would we hate everybody when we're all the same.
Speaker 3: There's points to hate people, though. What you don't hate Hitler? Uh?
I mean y'all bleed the same, right, y'all? At least
he bled the same as you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying that Hitler shouldn't have hated Maybe how
about that? How would we reverse it? How about we
flip it that way?
Speaker 3: Well, well, what about like, so you don't hate him?
Speaker 2: I didn't say I didn't I didn't hate Hitler. I
just said that you hate Hitler. I'm saying that you're
talking about general people, don't. Don't you know?
Speaker 3: My dad is in the Illuminati, guys, I've seen some things.
I'm not gonna tell you what he said this morning,
but trust me, guys.
Speaker 2: What did I say this morning?
Speaker 3: I woke up and I saw my dad right on
above his bed, just going.
Speaker 2: Swear. Yeah. Okay. Then they go like this, maybe this
wasn't a good Yeah, maybe this was not a good idea.
I'd like to know a little bit more about fair
poor anything else that that's happening in school, that.
Speaker 3: You're gonna come for me. Guys, I think I think
I messed up that you have to scrap it. I'm
not playing huh are you? Yes? I'm dead, Guys. This
is the last time they're gonna come for me. Who
I expose them?
Speaker 2: You know? Good? Jamison? All right, so Jameson, don't believe them.
Talk to me about with kids and the election coming up?
Do kids pay attention to they do?
Speaker 3: They don't even care about who it is. They just
like Trump because Trump. They think Trump's a badass. That
boy got nicked in his ear.
Speaker 2: What, Yeah, you're not a Trump guy.
Speaker 3: I don't like any of them. They're all corrupt politicians.
Everybody's losers. Not to scrap the government, but just find
the right person. There's other people running who will be
way better, but we just ignore them. They don't have
It's a system. Yes, nobody's gonna believe me. Everybody listens,
is gonna be He doesn't always talk about it.
Speaker 2: Just no, I asked you. I want to hear your
It's a system.
Speaker 3: It's all repeated. You'll never see someone who's but let's
say someone below Trump. You'll never see them succeed. Have
you when.
Speaker 2: Someone below Trump by someone trying not to click these things?
It's not even that, but just it make it annoys
people listening to the podcast because you're banging and clicking
and stuff. Talk to me again about what were you saying.
Speaker 3: But it's just like, you'll never see someone below Trump,
like even below RFK Jr. Or that's his name, right, yea,
even below him. You'll never see someone like him succeed.
But you see how he didn't make it very far
in the election.
Speaker 2: Well he didn't make it very far because he was
an independent.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. Nobody's like parties are. I
don't think they're good for the government.
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. So you're saying that you
feel like the parties eliminate. Yeah, I don't shout potential candidates. Look,
many years ago, there was a candidate named Ross Perot
and he was a third party candidate. And what Ross
Preau did was you have to get so would have
to be Kamala and Trump would have to approve RFK
to be in the debates and things. And he wasn't
getting it because he was getting ten percent in certain
states he'll be on the ballot.
Speaker 3: They had to be like, oh yeah, let him come
up right, yes, okay, And they didn't, but they did
because they didn't want.
Speaker 2: Him to well Biden, I think it was originally it
was Biden and Trump. Neither one of them wanted RFK
in the debates.
Speaker 3: But if that feel like, maybe that's because they knew
he was going to.
Speaker 2: Win potentially or maybe not win, but pull enough votes
away from one or the other that it could make
a difference. Do you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
all of a sudden, if it pulled, if it pulled, Yeah.
Speaker 3: They shouldn't have that choice. That's ridiculous. That doesn't even
give anybody a chance. What's the point of voting.
Speaker 2: Then, Well, I think you have to vote for what
the lesser of two evils in your mind is.
Speaker 3: I guess everybody's evil.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not saying it's an expression lesser of
too evil.
Speaker 3: I'm saying there, but I hear evil. I don't care.
They're weirdo.
Speaker 2: Do you know who's running for president?
Speaker 3: Trump and Kamala Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't like either
of them. Kamala Harrison, Yeah, Kamala's a weirdo. Trump is
a weirdo. I don't care what anybody says. I don't
care if the stops going to college. Brother, they're both weirdos.
I don't like politics. Okay, I'll love talking about it,
but I hate them.
Speaker 2: Why Why do you like talking about it?
Speaker 3: Because it's I just like talking about like conspiracy theories
and things like that, because it's things that people don't
want to hear that they know. Are you like you
know some of these conspiracy theories are definitely true?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that sometimes sometimes the story gets greater
later and yeah, but sometimes I'm not saying that they're
not based in some truth at Like Trump in the beginning.
Speaker 3: Going back to Trump being corrupted, he's so corrupt that
he wants to give immunity put to police as if
like they can't they did a crime, they can't get
as much time or even any time at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if he's doing that or not.
I can't come he said that that.
Speaker 3: He said that he wants to make everything go back
to how it was. He wants everything back like the
old days, and police should have their immunity.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you.
Speaker 3: Might as well give everybody immunity. I'll go interview cops
right now and ask him, do they do you think
you deserve immunity from being from against against the law,
for breaking law, for breaking the law? Yeah, And nine
times out of ten they'll say no, that's ridiculous because
they use common sense. Yeah, but that's just what he
wants to hear.
Speaker 2: He's that's exactly what he meant.
Speaker 3: But that's what he's It doesn't matter what you said.
If you're a politician, it's what you say, it's not
what you mean. Well, that's your whole point.
Speaker 2: You could be misinterpreting it. It's what I'm saying. You could.
Speaker 3: That should never happen. You should be able to word
it to where everybody can understand what you're trying to say,
because that's when you lose votes, and you don't want
that to happen, right exactly. So that No, he's smart.
So I don't think he anybody misinterpreted it. I think
he meant it that way. No, I know he meant
it that way. There's no way he didn't mean it
that way.
Speaker 2: We went with Great Connors today up to the home
opener for the bill's Cardinals, and uh, I.
Speaker 3: Would have punched that guy in the side of his
mid Oh God, I'm not lying.
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while we were up there, Jamison got a bowl.
Speaker 3: Of yeah, like kind of like a knock off Chipotle
bull Yeah, I'm eating it and I'm not anywhere in
front of the door. Swear to God, the door did
not hit me. Everybody's walking and just going into normally, just.
Speaker 2: Hanging on this.
Speaker 3: I want to we're on the phone.
Speaker 2: I want to explain something though. Go ahead, you tell your.
Speaker 3: Story, you tell you say what you're gonna say.
Speaker 2: All right. What I was going to say to you
is I said to you.
Speaker 3: There were people on that wall, and I was like,
people were trying to get through, and I was just like, skirt,
I'm gonna just walk to this side. That's why I
didn't go on the wall.
Speaker 2: It because I said, stay here. I got to make
a quick phone call. Go on.
Speaker 3: Now, I have it in my hand and I'm against
the other wall. Yes, I go in to eat it. Yeah,
everybody's going in normally, so it's not like I was
in the way. He swings it open as much as
he can, goes under my arms and smacks it out
of my hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Your whole your ball, whole bowl. So I look
over and like there's banana peppers and writes all over
the floor. And then I see you, and I see
you go storming off and throw the rest of it away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm trying to go look for him.
Speaker 2: Well, who what are you gonna look for and do?
Speaker 3: Ask him, why the hell did you do that?
Speaker 2: Well, he probably didn't even realize he did it.
Speaker 3: If I ever feel, If I ever so, he just
has no feeling in his left arm. I don't know,
he's numbing his left arm.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe he was drinking and he didn't
realize what he was doing.
Speaker 3: Then get the hell out of here. Who's drinking in
a suit? Out of Bill's game?
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of people, a lot of people.
But the reason we were over that way was I
was gonna take you up to a suite, and I thought, hey,
you know what, we're gonna get to crowded up there,
I'll they hear. So then uh, I found out later
on that some of the Syracuse players football players were
in that suite. A quarterback transfer from Ohio State, a
guy who's a defensive back that's supposed to be taking
in the first round of the draft. There's all kinds
of things going on.
Speaker 3: So I hear the worst?
Speaker 2: What the worst? Why am I the worst?
Speaker 3: Because that was a future NFL player that I could
have gotten a picture with.
Speaker 2: Well, potentially, yes, And I didn't mean to, uh to
ruin that for you, But I thought that was God.
Speaker 3: He did not purpose guy.
Speaker 2: I know the guy was in there. I did not
know the guy was in there, and it would have
been fun. But look, you've got to go hang out.
I mean, what did you think of the game? Overall?
Speaker 3: It was all right? I think it was pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 3: Not as good as the Bucks game though.
Speaker 2: Well you did go see the Bucks and the Bills,
as Tom Brady like that. Well, the Bills were on
it looked like they were coming back to win that
game in the end. But the Bucks held on, but
they were better.
Speaker 3: Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time. There's no debate.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I guess that argument certainly can be made.
Speaker 3: No debate. I don't care about anybody saying Patrick mahomes
the great baby's gonna be He's gonna be the greatest.
Bro No bro, no, no, no, no, no no. I
don't even want to hear anything.
Speaker 2: What if they win three in a row? What if
they do I don't care.
Speaker 3: If we did it first, you doing it before? Bad?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So let's go back to the last argument
about rap music.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that they were all the greatest of
all time. I said that. I think they're better than them,
but they're not the greatest of all time.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're saying he's the greatest of all time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the greatest of all time right now. Patrick
Mahomes is better because he's not a forty five year
old man right doing broadcasting.
Speaker 2: Right right?
Speaker 3: I got you, Yeah, buddy titan A.
Speaker 2: What is it like, uh? Living with me?
Speaker 3: It's pretty nice? Yeah, I wish I had a room.
Speaker 2: I know, it's okay.
Speaker 3: I need some of stuff in my room.
Speaker 2: What like, like what I got a desk coming, We
got the couch bed coming.
Speaker 3: You wanted that kind of want, like a clothing rack,
clothing rack besides my.
Speaker 2: Closet, beside your closet.
Speaker 3: Besides my closet.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we can we can try to make that.
How many times are you gonna print this thing?
Speaker 3: It keeps coming.
Speaker 2: You're gonna you're gonna drain all my ink. Oh it
came out bigger, drained, you drained all my ink. You
got three or four of from there.
Speaker 3: It came out bigger though.
Speaker 2: I know, Yes, you're gonna put that on a T shirt.
Where did you get the graphic? From Okay, be careful,
all right, never mind, I'm not creative.
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. I am. I'm gonna bring in some shirts.
My next thing. I'm just gonna do that kiss shirt
thing and then do something on the back.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know what. Jamison did not sleep well
last night, So I got what. Woke up and you
had your jeans all painted. You never stop, You're you're
like you're you got a motor that never quits. Yep.
Speaker 3: I'm just the greatest of all the time.
Speaker 2: You think, so I know. So okay. Uh. Jamison was
also complaining this school only serves pizza. That's why we
should probably get over to Leo's. Another ad.
Speaker 3: Oh, another ad, Oh you oh, you slie dog. Another ad,
just firing them out.
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for the kids, cookies. You can get twelve packs of collies.
They're all made from scratch writing Leo's Bakery. Choose from
chocolate chip, marble sprinkle or oatmeal raisin cookie. Yea yeah,
the Cuban sub is really good over there. Why are
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remember Leo's has fresh baked French bread for just two
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every day. Talk to me a little bit, and I
don't know if you if you want to the last
time you were on, and we're gonna be doing our
own weekly podcast that we'll start in a couple of
weeks and we'll talk about kind of like living with
each other and things happening in your world. And I
think we're gonna do more of the dad jokes where
you go out on the street and.
Speaker 3: Get the dad jokes.
Speaker 2: You don't want to do that, or whatever interviews you
want to do, but uh, here's my my question. You
had talked about your friend Levi and then and a
lot of people were really I got a lot of
feedback on that, just just that you were dealing with
a lot that that's that no kids should have. So
I don't know, Well, it doesn't matter, it's it left,
it left an imprint on you.
Speaker 3: It's hard because when I was coming up here, I
had a few friends that I was gonna meet and
then so it didn't really hurt me as much because
I didn't really know them like that, but then they
I think they probably passed away. I think from what
I know, just some people that was around some of
my friends here.
Speaker 2: Some people that were around some of your friends here. Understand,
So like mutuals, mutual friends, friends in Athens.
Speaker 3: Friends in Greece, like the friends I meet up. But
I'm not gonna say any names because like, but some
of their friends I probably would have met up with,
and you know, I think they I think one of
them passed away.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I know that there was something that happened
with some of your friends down in Athens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my friend or a kid I know his name Cedric,
he got into a bad fight and I guess he
ended up shooting two people.
Speaker 2: He did, yeah, Jesus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And some of the kids I used to hang
out with are now walking around with like guns and.
Speaker 2: Stuff and like because they don't feel safe.
Speaker 3: They're just trying to be thugs. Bro, I'm not even
gonna say his name. You know, he's not a thug.
Speaker 2: But when we say they're trying to be thugs.
Speaker 3: He's trying to be tough. Noted, No, I understand, Jeremiah.
Speaker 2: All right, listen to me for a second though, because
I don't know what it's like to have that fear
that if I stepped outside my front door I might
get my head shot off. Do these kids feel that way?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I haven't been there in a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna lie. I was on the phone
the mom. I probably would have been that kid that
Cedric shot if I went to fifth Why because they
wanted me. That's the whole I'm not gonna say too much,
but that's literally the whole point of them coming to
my neighborhood every time and torturing the kid, the people
who lived there at the pool, and just making it
the worst day they were trying to look for me.
It's sort of God. We had to send up people
who owned the neighborhood to kick them out. Police had
to come. What happened, It was a whole long thing,
like just jealousy over what, over money, over girls, over.
Speaker 2: Things like that.
Speaker 3: It's they're just mad. I'm better than them at everything
they do. Every every time they introduce me to some
up them every single time. They're just mad They'll never
be as good as me at anything in life.
Speaker 2: Hold on a second, let's back this up, because.
Speaker 3: No, bro, there's nothing there and not Cedric, not his friends,
other people, not Jeremiah, because Jeremiah is a good kid
that just is around there. He's not the kids walking
around with guns. But he's just around there and is scared,
and I don't think it's as bad for him. But
I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, why were they coming to beat you up? They
were looking to jump you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they were trying to probably trying to kill me.
Why because like you know how I used to do
side hustles. Yeah, well, like I just stopped trying to
make money with them because they'd always try to scam me.
And then.
Speaker 2: I, what were you guys doing.
Speaker 3: Cleaning windows, selling shirts things like that?
Speaker 2: Were they cleaning windows with you.
Speaker 3: Apparely doing anything? And then when I said I'm doing
all this work, bro, I'm keeping his money, they swear
to god they didn't do anything. I said, I'm keeping
his money. You didn't do anything?
Speaker 2: They were like, oh whatever, okay, But then then then
they got upset.
Speaker 3: Then they got upset later on because they realized they
got joked because they don't use their head. Okay, don't
be bad at me, be mad at yourself. You didn't
do anything. You would have gotten that money, bro, It's
not my fault, okay. And then a girl. I'm not
gonna talk about the girl because she has no like that.
I have no business talking about her. But they're just
mad about her, I guess. And he's not even with
that girl anymore. He's just a loser, okay. So he
just wants me. They want me dead. Of some of
the kids want there want me dead. Is that there
used to be like a whole like group over them
around there, and they all broke up into different, like
not subsets, but just different friend groups that go around
torturing people around that area even but just like antagonizing them,
breaking windows.
Speaker 2: Robbing a little kids.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, is that part of the reason it's different. Yeah,
it's definitely part of the reason I moved because I
thought it would be safeer here. But yeah, that's the
first murder in Athens in two years. The last one
was a stepdad killing his son.
Speaker 2: So your friend Cedric, yeah shot.
Speaker 3: I don't know. He's not really my friend friend, but
we used to be a little close.
Speaker 2: He shot and killed somebody.
Speaker 3: Probably accidentally, I don't know. It was definitely self defense,
though it was all from what I know, it was
a kid's father. He shot him and then shot another
kid in the leg. Jeez, dad, if you're getting beat
up by a grown man and you're a kid who
has a gun and another person's jumping you, they have knives,
you're not gonna fire that shot and you have that gun,
I am doing that. I don't care well, right.
Speaker 2: But I don't even like that you're in that situation
to begin with. Why Why are we putting ourselves in
situations like that?
Speaker 3: We said he was putting himself into that situation. He
was put into that situation.
Speaker 2: Potentially. I don't know the story.
Speaker 3: I definitely know the story. I know him and I
he would not do something like that.
Speaker 2: Where are they getting the guns from?
Speaker 3: Probably illegally, maybe legally, I don't know. Alabama's not strict
on the gun laws. They just had a whole rico
indictment from gas station workers drug trafficking and to miners
and selling alcohol miners.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this sounds like but that's heavy stuff. Yeah,
and it sounds scary. I mean, as your father.
Speaker 3: I don't A kid I used to hang out with
two his name is I'm not gonna say his name
actually because he's a minor, but he's he's in jail
right now, so yes, yeah, he's from Athens. We used
to hang out a lot all like all the time.
Speaker 2: Why is he in jail?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Probably guns.
Speaker 2: How old is he?
Speaker 3: Maybe you're shooting my age four? Yeah, fourteen fifteen, because
when I met him, he was literally free. He was
from Chicago. He was fresh out of military school. And
like if I if I like, if he wanted something,
like if he he was like, oh can I get
that bike? I'll give you two switches. Do you know
what a switch is it?
Speaker 2: It's a little button.
Speaker 3: No, what No, it's a little button you put on
the back of a glock and it makes it into
a machine gun. And it's illegal, and they made it
illegal because when you shoot it, it will dump a
normal mag in two seconds, not even yeah, maybe half
a second.
Speaker 2: The fact that you know all this stuff I am
not comfortable with.
Speaker 3: If I didn't know what it'd be worse if someone
handed me that. If someone hands me that now, I'm
throwing it away because that's forty years just having it.
Speaker 2: No, but but listen to me. The fact that that's
even in your world.
Speaker 3: It's in your world.
Speaker 2: No, it's not, Yes it is, okay, it's in my world.
But here's the thing. People, well I associate with are aren't.
Speaker 3: I don't associate with that kid. I just used to
hang out with him.
Speaker 2: We're okay, we're growing up.
Speaker 3: Now everybody's complaining about oh my gosh about it neighborhood.
We're not kids anymore. Bro, it's too late, Like this
is what happened. We're not kids anymore. Like I was
talking to my friend Holder. He said he can't even
go to the gas station alone anymore because he's scared
he's gonna die.
Speaker 2: Well, see, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Athens like it moved out of Huntsville, hit Birmingham, it's
coming out of Birmingham, and it's coming to Athens.
Speaker 2: What you're right? My point is this, if.
Speaker 3: There are cartels in Athens.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's what I'm trying to say to you. At fourteen,
your biggest concern is my homework done? Or should be
that is my no? No for other kids, like let
me finish, let me finish my statement, or it should
be does that girl like me? Or how many points
I am going to score in the basketball game today.
It shouldn't be I'm afraid to go to the gas
station to pick up a drink because I make It's
not their fault. I'm not saying it's their fault.
Speaker 3: But it's a bad it's a terrible thing. It's a system.
Speaker 2: But here's the point with you. I don't understand why
that's touching you.
Speaker 3: Because I used to when me and Jeremiah were friends.
We everybody was good kids. Everybody was just playing basketball. Everybody.
If you had to fight, you just fight. That's it.
Then it got when we turned like twelve, kids are
maybe a little older, started carrying knives. Maybe a kid
got sliced, but no one got stabbed. Now, a kid,
I know who, I'm not going to say his name,
when they got into a fight, literally stabbed a kid
into his chest and the kid ran off with the
knife still in his chest.
Speaker 2: Jesus, But Jamison, I was a fourteen year old boy.
I got into fights in school, but there was nobody
stabbing each other. We weren't shooting each other. Do you
understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Like, where did you live in Appalachi? Okay, you don't
have to carry a gun in appolation.
Speaker 2: I understand. But here's the thing you don't either. I live.
Speaker 3: I don't. I lived in Athens wearing as a nice neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Doing what was in that neighborhood a golf course and
who owned.
Speaker 3: It a rich person, well, a rich, wealthy white person. Okay,
what are you trying to say?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say that there were PGA golfers that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah?
Speaker 3: What what about it?
Speaker 2: Beautiful home? Why?
Speaker 3: But my point is I didn't even hang out with
Jeremiah when that stuff was going on. We stopped hanging out.
Speaker 2: Listen to me, And I'm not trying to condemn. What
I'm saying is I would assume there are probably kids
in those neighbors in that neighborhood, and they weren't feeling
like they had to carry because.
Speaker 3: They live in a nice neighborhood and they don't have
to fight anybody there.
Speaker 2: I got it. So why weren't you hanging out with
them where it's safe?
Speaker 3: Because I don't like them, because every person I've tried
to hang out with were racist and I don't like that.
Swear to God on everything I love, and I don't
like that. I don't care if I'm white, I don't
like that stuff. That's just weird me. It's not even
because I have family of color or family who are
not from America. It's because it's just weird. Bro. I
don't care if they do it as a joke. It's
not funny to me.
Speaker 2: But that was what I was saying to you earlier
in this podcast when I said about hate. That's what
I mean when you say we're all the same, Yeah,
why do we need to hate? When you were talking
about those the kids in your neighborhood, you felt like racist.
That's a former hate, right when we say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I don't understand it. So I'm not
even going to try to understand it because there's no point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the reason they have to do that is because
if that kid wins the fight, really, their parents are
probably going to come out of that apartment with a
gun and shoot at that kid. Jeez. But see, they
had a party one day at Fifth Avenue and a
dude got mad, pulled out a gun and just started
shooting into the apartment.
Speaker 2: And nothing about that seems abnormal to you in any way.
Speaker 3: And it's none of my business.
Speaker 2: But I understand that. But my point is we have
come to a real problem in areas of our country
where there's no conflict resolution. We don't have to agree
with everybody, but we certainly don't have to kill them
or shoot.
Speaker 3: You don't get it, well, what's there to get because
if that kid goes and beats that kid up, his
mom is gonna come out with a gun and probably
kill their mom or.
Speaker 2: But that's my point. Why is that gonna do it.
Speaker 3: Because it's their son and that they're gonna defend their son.
And then it's the same thing if someone beats up
their friend, their friend's gonna come out. And then if
someone's getting beat up, which everybody's fighting, and that kid
has a gun, they're waiting to use their guns. Dad.
Everybody has a gun. Everybody definitely has a gun. They're
just waiting to use it. I know people who have
closets of guns, Like their closet is full of guns, Dad,
But it's not North, it's the South. Everyone has a gun.
I know kids who have guns because their parents let them,
but they take its arranges. It's not in their name,
I understand, but they have a gun. And if someone
breaks in the house, they can use it and the
charge won't be pressed against the kid. So I don't
know if Cedric is gonna get out of what he's in.
It might be. I don't know if overkills a real thing,
but I don't know if he had to shoot both people.
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Speaker 3: One thing I got to show you to prove my point.
Speaker 2: There is no proven the point I think what you
and I are gonna miss.
Speaker 3: Those are literal six year olds.
Speaker 2: Those are six year olds fighting fighting. Yes, okay, look
I understand little boys. I get that. What I don't
get is the escalation to a point where you're saying that.
Speaker 3: You don't understand it because you don't have to be
put into that situation. But I've seen it firsthand.
Speaker 2: I understand that.
Speaker 3: I was literally at a party and I was just there,
and I was on the street playing with my friends,
and they came out and a Kia Soul and just
started shooting that place up, and bullets were flying over
our heads and in between us, and houses were getting
hit and windows were getting broken, and I had to
hide under cars and then get out of that car
and go under a sewer drain. But until you're in there,
you're never gonna understand it, Like why they did it.
I'm not saying I understand it because that's I do that.
Speaker 2: I do that stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't, but they feel like they have to do
it well. This is, but you never feel like you
have to do it because you live in Fairport and
you don't have to get into fights all the time.
You don't even have a gun. You're not in the South,
though the South is a whole different place. Want that.
I swear to God. If I placed you in the South,
you wouldn't understand completely. Everybody in traffic, everybody has a gun.
That's why road rage. When Jackson's flipping people off, I
always tell them birth stopped and that you're gonna get
us killed. You are they? Because it's not illegal. If
you flip somebody off and they shoot at you, they're
probably not going to get that much jail time.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know. What I'm talking about. Is just
base human decency.
Speaker 3: It's always been like this, Okay, since ancient times. It's
always been like this, where people feel like they have
to defend themselves because they lost something. They don't want
to fuck up their ego. They have to go kill
that person.
Speaker 2: Now, I understand what you're saying. I do, do you, Yes?
But I like to think that we've evolved as a society.
Speaker 3: We've evolved physically, but we're never going to evolve mentally,
that's never going to happen.
Speaker 2: Maybe some people I disagree, but listen, I want to
I'm serious that this is a great This is a
great conversation because.
Speaker 3: Memphis literally became the most dangerous city because one person died.
Young Dolph died, and he was the most respected person.
He even has a specific day, November seventeenth to Dolph Day,
because he gave back to so many people. And before
he died, he was he was donating for cancer research
in Memphis. Yeah, he died because he was promoting for
a cookie shop he likes to go to. He said,
I go here all the time. The next day they
went and killed him. At people forty people that following day.
Died that following day, forty people. We can't even fit
forty people in this room. Forty people. There's probably not
even forty people outside walking the streets during the daytime here,
well there are, but maybe not a little not even
that much over though.
Speaker 2: All right, But that but that's how much big of it.
Speaker 3: That's a big deal, Dad, And that's why they do
it out because they feel like they have to. They
feel like, oh, you just did this to me. It
was literally a whole trend slide for Dolf.
Speaker 2: Okay, slow down for a second because no, no, and
I want you to have a conversation with me.
Speaker 3: People will crash out over the littlest things.
Speaker 2: Dad. Yes, I see that, and I understand that. But
just hold because the conversation is an exchange of ideas. Okay,
I'm not. I'm not telling you my ideas. I'm saying
to you. What what what you're talking about right now
is giving an insight to what we often think about
as an urban problem.
Speaker 3: What I mean by urban? Just say it. What do
you mean by.
Speaker 2: Urban by city like inner city? And I don't. And
you can say that I'm saying black people and I'm not.
I'm saying I'm saying people that live in well, in
the innocent in a city, but not Okay, I wasn't
thinking that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the inner city, every inner city is the hood
pretty much, Okay, Rochester inner city is the hood.
Speaker 2: Fine, then label it that I'm not going to Okay. So,
and I feel like when you talk to kids, what
you're going to hear back is I have the gun
because I feel like I need it. My question is,
how the fuck did it get to that level? How
did it get to the level that I'm afraid that
I can't. I gotten fights in school.
Speaker 3: Just kids, right, yeah, not kids walking around with fully
automatical But this is.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. But what where did that where? Where
did that bridge get crossed? When did it all of
a sudden become police.
Speaker 3: I'm not focusing that much on that neighborhood. People focusing
on dumb ass parking tickets, on taxing different people and
not stopping the problem. They're not focusing on the problem.
They're just doing what they think they need to do
and not really what needs to be done.
Speaker 2: Okay, but hang on a second, though, because my argument
I'm answering, No, I I know that, but I'm going
to answer back. I'm going to argue back, government's job
isn't to be your parent.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the government.
Speaker 2: Well, when you're talking about police, that's a government agency. Okay,
Well that's government. That's a problem. That's their problem. But
it's not their problem.
Speaker 3: There's problem.
Speaker 2: How are they supposed to go into the house and
sit down. Why you're supposed to start? You can I
sit down and talk and have dinner with you every.
Speaker 3: Night because you love me?
Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, and I want to talk to you and
I want to hear about your day. And but that's
where this ship ends. So that's where this ship goes away.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But you you spoke, You spoke a great thing, you said,
a fantastic thing. You said. Since the beginning of time,
when people's egos are hurt, they'll go out of their
way to hurt.
Speaker 3: Social media plays a big part in that dish. Yes,
this song isn't even the biggest part. It's it's history.
Like I'm not even talking about history in the US.
Every and I'm not trying to sound corny, but every
hood has a history, yes, and that history will never
end unless there's some some break in time and someone
just finds the holy Grail of hoods and fixes to
the problems. But that will never happen.
Speaker 2: Okay. But but listen, there used to be.
Speaker 3: There's not that. There's no there's not even a point.
This will never end.
Speaker 2: I okay, But here's what I would say. I think
that times when you start to feel good about yourself,
you don't need to go defend. You said to me,
like you've read things about me on the internet, horrible things. Yeah,
and you said to me the other day. What did
you say? How come these things don't bother you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Now, sometimes there was, there was I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 3: There are sometimes where you did care. I but listen,
some people just can't get to that point. Some people
just can't work to get to that point like you
did because you had to. They are just like, fuck it,
I don't care. I'm gonna go kill that person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but can't you also realize that the people that
are taking the shots are the ones that are jealous
and wish they had what you had.
Speaker 3: They're not thinking like they have to go work for it.
They're thinking like they have to go take it and
not go get it and work for it. They want
to go take it, Dad, They want to go take it.
They're people are literally laving, labeling themselves Boogeyman's and grim Reapers, saying,
don't go outside and take the trash out or I'm
going to make you a victim. I can't even go
take the people can't even go take the trash out.
They're gonna die because they took the trash out.
Speaker 2: Well because but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're just gonna do that right then and there. See,
it's just it's always gonna be problem. They're trying to
get you when you're vulnerable. Yes, Dad, this will never
And these people literally have disorders, Dad, right, and I'm
talking about.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I agree with you on that. My
bigger concern with you is it's crazy how I don't
like how much exposure you.
Speaker 3: That it's with you. You didn't have a much exposure
because you didn't have social media. You weren't friends with
these people. You weren't in those areas. You literally lived
in the middle of nowhere pretty much. I grew up
another and another thing. What was I going to say
a time when police a good time? When I when
police go and kill people, they feel awful, right, Like
they feel like they have to throw up. These kids
are literally hot to go kill somebody, like they are begging.
They're trying to get a striker and go kill somebody.
Why because they feel like they have to do it.
It's the state. When as going to happen?
Speaker 2: Well, when you're saying things like they're begging, what do
you mean begging? Well, you just said.
Speaker 3: They're begging to go get it. They want to go
kill that person they have to.
Speaker 2: Who is the what makes what? What does somebody have
to do to have an offense that.
Speaker 3: They feel like they want to kill somebody. Yeah, like
what name something that would happen. Yeah, So let's say
your best friend died, right, your best friend, y'all did
some crazy things together, and not even in no diddy way,
but y'all did some illegal things together. He was your brother,
like he was always there by her side, never switched up,
never did anything wrong. Someone goes and takes his life
in the most brutal way possible. Maybe let's say he
died how young Dolph died. He's just trying to go
get cookies, be a wholesome, just go go about his business,
and someone kills him while he's trying to go about
his business. If someone if someone went and killed you,
I'm going to go kill that person. I'm going to
go find that person.
Speaker 2: But don't you think that that's part of the problem.
And I wouldn't want you.
Speaker 3: To do that part.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want you, but I feel.
Speaker 3: Like I have to do that. But it doesn't matter
what you want, Yes it does, but it doesn't matter
what that person want. Maybe that person who died didn't
want that to happen, but they're not thinking of that.
You didn't tell me not to do it.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you now, Okay, then I won't do it.
But but all these things like it has to end somewhere.
Speaker 3: It won't it never will. They thought the same thing
back when the mob. Do you think these conversations didn't
happen when the mob was around? The gangs are just
gonna get worse. I'm not gonna lie, these gangs are.
Hang on a second, Yeah, there's no yo.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa, Hang on a second. I gotta stop
you there, because you were talking about apples and oranges
in this stuff. Like the mob was organized crime. They
entered in and I will tell you that they kept
the streets clean and the streets of parts of New
York City safer than the police ever could. They did
not all not to endorse, but they but their killings
were not They were all people involved in their organization.
Someone again cutting into my turf. If I'm if you
didn't say that, you said, some mother is gonna come
out and shoot a kid for fighting her son.
Speaker 3: That's just one that's just one thing.
Speaker 2: But that's but that's what you're talking about. Were you
not once? Has there been gang mentioned other than I
don't feel safe in my neighborhood. That's why I'm carrying
a gun. You never mentioned anything about gangs.
Speaker 3: Dad, This whole conversation is about gangs. These kids killing
people are in gangs. How did you not pick that up?
Speaker 2: That's what this is about.
Speaker 3: What the fuck you think normal people are just going
out and killing people. Know, it's all organized crime.
Speaker 2: But it's not organized crime. What you're saying is okay,
But what you're saying is you were not.
Speaker 3: Thinking from your perspective.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're thinking as a middle aged whitead.
Speaker 3: Almost everybody there's NBA players in gangs, but not NBA.
My mom thinks it's just bloods and crips bloods and no,
it's subsets. It's subsets.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 3: Like there's the beads and gds. Those are like the
bloods and the crypts of Chicago and this is the
Black Peace Stones. But there's sets like three hundred, six hundred,
nine hundred. It's block names.
Speaker 2: Okay, but take me back to when you're talking about
your friends. Yeah, so your friend who just shot somebody,
the guy you knew, mother or I he was a friend,
I don't know.
Speaker 3: But probably in a gang.
Speaker 2: Probably.
Speaker 3: I don't know about him that much, but I'm not
gonna lie. He's probably in a gang. Yeah, more than
nine times out of ten. I don't know him that well,
but that's what I'm.
Speaker 2: But what was the shooting over you said he was?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I know that it doesn't matter
if he if he's like, I don't know that much
about it. I just know two people were trying to
fight him. One person got stabbed there too.
Speaker 2: Do you think that the people trying to fight him
we're in a gang?
Speaker 3: Probably? Maybe? I don't know.
Speaker 2: See, I'm not sure that a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 3: But Athens, Athens isn't gang stuff. I'm not talking about Athens.
When I'm talking about retaliations, I'm talking about Rochester, I'm
talking about Chicago. I'm talking about because Athens really isn't
the hood. It's kind of turning into the hood. But
there's nobody going out for retaliation, going out in blood.
Maybe now they're going to start doing it because of
what just happened. Probably now now it's this is what happens.
This is that baking. So do you put into the
vinegar that makes everything blow up? That killing just fucked
everything up. Depending on who he just killed, that killing
will go on and ruin the city forever.
Speaker 2: So you're saying that it'll be like tit for tat.
Speaker 3: It'll be tit for tat. This is going need to
be a war, Dad. Wars are not just what's going
on in Afghanistan. There are things you don't know that's
going on. People you don't know that are dying, things
that are not going because when it's statistics about murder,
it's the murders they know about. Yes, a lot of
these missing people aren't missing. I had a mutual friend
named June that I told I don't know if you
know about my mom knows about. There's a gang he was,
I guess involved in a gang in Huntsville, and he
five or four people above the age of twenty nine.
He's fourteen, go out, kidnap him, kill him, dismember his body,
and put him in the woods. It's a war. Why
because he's in a gang. Because I had fourteen in
the game team Dad, these kids are eleven in in gangs.
Some of these kids stealing kios are ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't okay, I don't know what to say.
Other than I don't. I really am bothered by the
fact that you were.
Speaker 3: I'm put I was put into this world. That's not
my fault. I'm not around it, but I know about
it because I know about it.
Speaker 2: Jameis, you just sat here and said, these are people
that you interacted with.
Speaker 3: I didn't interact with June. I said that was a
mutual friend. Okay, I don't interact with any other people. Okay, stuff,
I've been on that planet once.
Speaker 2: I've been on the planet thirty nine, thirty eight people
like this thirty eight or thirty nine years more than you.
I have friends who have died at young people as young.
Speaker 3: How do they die?
Speaker 2: Drunk and driving motorcycle acts, speeding?
Speaker 3: Where did they die? Get corners right round? There's no
gang violence for Keepsie. There's gang violence Kingston gang violence,
not Clinton Corners.
Speaker 2: No, I understand that. But my point is that there
wasn't gang violence in Kingston. There might have been a
little bit of stuff in Poughkeepsie.
Speaker 3: There's gang violence in Kingston.
Speaker 2: Now that maybe now I'm saying that there wasn't right.
And so the fact that it's even touched your world
to this degree, because it's I don't know the.
Speaker 3: World and you don't even know about it.
Speaker 2: How's it touch my world?
Speaker 3: You don't dad. A lot of the stuff you have
right now, you don't know where it came from. Or
a lot of people you're around you don't know who
they're connected with. Like you told me today, there are
connections I don't know about, right, Yeah, there's connections you
don't know about. Okay, you don't know who the people
you hang around with, really you don't know, because dude,
does Dan know everybody?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Be honest, everyone you know? Does he know Rob? Does
he know who's connected with Rob? Does he know who's
connected with those people?
Speaker 2: Know?
Speaker 3: He doesn't. But there are connections you don't know about.
This spans on forever. You are definitely connected with these
gangs that you don't know about, but not connected that way,
but there are. You can get to those gangs from
the people you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, But listen to me. The fact that that that
just never enters my thinking.
Speaker 3: Because it doesn't have to.
Speaker 2: It never will, right exactly, So why is it so
in yours?
Speaker 3: Because I wasn't around that, but I was around it.
I was in that city. The city is like the
city of Athens is the size of Fairport. Yes, Athens
is small.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I know we walked all around it.
Speaker 3: We literally walked to the other side of it, and
it took us an hour and we took stops and
we were not even walking right. So I'm always going
to be ten minutes from those gunshots. Literally, I'm always
I hung out with those people. That's why it's mutuals. Yes,
Cedric was a good kid. Cedric is a good kid,
but it's a bad city, like Kendrick Lamore's album Good Kid,
Bad City.
Speaker 2: I understand people are.
Speaker 3: Put into these situations. People don't put themselves into these
situations most of the time. A lot of people are
forced to do it after a mental health problems start.
Speaker 2: Like forced.
Speaker 3: A lot of people are forced into gangs. You don't
think they are. You think they choose to do it.
If you don't want to be in that gang. Sometimes
they will beat you until you die. They will kill you,
they'll cut your head off, They'll they'll exile you. They'll
strip you naked and send you out into the public.
They did that to a dude named jah Wu in Brooklyn.
They stripped them button naked. Livestream that beat them up
in a van on Instagram Live and then toss them out.
And then because of that, those people that he beat
up that kid, who's could licks I know, but that
Jahu kid went out and killed somebody, a thirteen year
old kid, or not even Jahu, his friend, a thirteen
year old kid coming back from a Brooklyn Nets game,
a walking back in his jersey.
Speaker 2: Listen to me for a second, though, because I guess
what I'm trying to say is, let me go back
to the fact that you're immersed in this.
Speaker 3: You're immersed in it and you don't know about it,
but I know about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not immersed in it because it's not it's
not what I think about. But I think this stuff
upsets you, and I think you are very.
Speaker 3: I hate seeing the people I love going down the
wrong path. I try to tell people that all the time.
They just don't want to listen because, and you're not wrong.
Sometimes they you don't have to do it sometimes, but
a lot of the times you do. And when I
know that people don't have to. Like I stopped Jeremiah
from doing something stupid. I'm not gonna say what he
was gonna do, but it wasn't anything crazy, it wasn't
anything but just a fight that could have gone left,
like what happened with Cedric, but and then he stopped
doing it. And some kids who vape but they're athletes,
like they have a future, they stop doing it because
they don't have to do it. But these kids who
have nothing, you can think that they have something. But
until you know, and we're literally in their house, unless
you were in those apartments, unless you were in his bedroom,
you'll realize that kid had absolutely nothing but that life
and thought that was the only way to go about it,
because that's the only way the people around them went
about it. I'm not talking about Athens, only talking about
Rochester too, I know, even all the way just Rochester.
Speaker 2: Yes, I see it. I know exactly what you're.
Speaker 3: Saying because these kids feel like.
Speaker 2: But here's my thing. You don't have that I don't.
Speaker 3: But I know that. I keep telling you. You keep saying
the same thing. I know the people.
Speaker 2: Why do you know the people?
Speaker 3: It's said that you know the people. These were good
kids before I knew them. I wasn't around them when
this happened, So that just clears out the question. We're
gonna ask or the question you've been asking. They were
good kids and still are good kids. My mom even
knows that these kids who are doing these things are
good kids. She knows it, she's met them. They are
literally sweethearts, but they have to do what they have
to do, and it's sad.
Speaker 2: Why were they Why were they coming to your don't
never mind, I don't want to know. Here's what I want.
I want you to be happy. I want you to
be safe. I don't like this stuff. I didn't know
this was all gonna come out. I'm not sure what
to do with this podcast.
Speaker 3: And no one in Athens or Rochester he's gonna listen
to your show, So don't even worry about that. And
if they do, no one's gonna do anything. No one's
gonna go out and kill you.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think anybody's gonna come and kill or anything.
I think what you have given is a little bit
of insight into what goes on.
Speaker 3: Anybody thinking I'm giving information or snitching on everybody, you're not.
Speaker 2: You didn't say anything.
Speaker 3: You think that. Stop stop because you like I am
telling public information. This is public information. You can literally
go look up this news article all this stuff. Guys, No,
I understand that you understand that.
Speaker 2: Dad.
Speaker 3: This goes back to again, this is not your world.
Maybe I'm wrong and there are people who I'm talking
about in our listening.
Speaker 2: Well I think that I don't see she has your TikTok?
So who's TikTok? Never mind your TikTok Okay, listen to
me for a second. What I'm trying, what I'm what
I think is what you have done here. This evening is.
Speaker 3: Let you guys know, so when you go out and
say something, you don't sound stupid because listen the people
listening to this majority of you guys. Yeah, never ever
ever in your life we're around these people. You don't
get it. Please stop getting yourself into these, these these conversations,
these arguments and debates, and you know absolutely nothing about it.
And even if you're arguing on the game of her sides,
you're arguing from statistics and not from what you know.
Because I was arguing against them and with them in
this podcast. So please use the information I just give
you and put it into your knowledge. Let's put it
into your head.
Speaker 2: Please, guys, this is what I'm trying to say to you.
What you have to slow down.
Speaker 3: I just I'm looking out for them because I know
some of these people like.
Speaker 2: To be You're very passionate and you're young.
Speaker 3: What You're very passionate, but you need to chill out.
Speaker 2: I didn't say that.
Speaker 3: I hope you didn't those words lift that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: No, I said, you're very passionate and you're young. And
what I'm what I want to say is what I
think you did hear was give some insight to the
psyche of people in certain areas in the hood, as
you labeled it, the psyche being I don't feel safe.
I don't know what's coming next. I don't know what.
Speaker 3: Aunt At one point the last time, I.
Speaker 2: Was fit that that ship bothers me Jamison, because that
isn't the stuff that I want.
Speaker 3: You. You're not there anymore.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 3: Mom didn't put me into those cities. I stop. I was.
I'm going to tell you a story, guys. I was
at their basketball court and I was just chilling and
my teacher's party was going on. I went to say,
what's up to my teacher? It was it was nice.
She told me about the other day. I told her
to her face. She doesn't want to listen. Do not
throw your party there. That is the worst place to
throw it. They said why, Well, if you have to
question why, and I'm telling you, and I'm there every
single day of my life for the past two years.
I've been going there, and I'm telling you not to go.
Just don't go. Just reschedule and put it somewhere else.
And that's what they should have done. So they nothing
happened to them, but it caused a problem. That's mainly
what I was worried about. I'm about to tell you.
They didn't finish our food and they gave it to us.
It was about twenty deep and it was just me
Day Day and Jeremiah and you know, both of them
good kids, very good kids, but like they fight like
I fight. And you don't know about it, but I've
had gotten a lot of fights there almost every time,
and this is one of those times. So they start
throwing cake and I'm not worried, Like I'm not talking
to them. I'm trying to stay away. They're just meat riding,
just like oh say, oh j j oh, he's got
it on and they're trying to tease me. They don't
mean it, and I'm just like, whatever, Bro, I'm not worried.
So then like we're walking off after we got into
like a little scuffle, not a fight, no fists throwned,
just food throwing at each other. Then we're with me
dating and Jeremiah are walking away, and we're young, a
little younger. Jeremiah has the right idea to say, excuse
my French, fuck you pussies, y'all are pussies. And they
take off, and I take off before them, and I
go into the woods and I'm hiding. Day Day's hiding
in the creek because at this point the kids are
like using knives. I'm hiding, Bro, I don't want to
die what I'm not gonna act like they're not going
to use it, So I'm hiding. Jeremiah's dumbass is with them,
walking with them as if he planned this. This is
not his fault, this is past. We've squashed this, there's
no problem between us. We He literally leads them to me,
but I don't think he meant to do it, but
he just wasn't thinking. And day Day is hiding in
the creek. So like it's a field, like almost like
a farmer's field. There's this of the field. The creek's
like right here. Then I'm right here, you see, Yeah,
So I'm on the side of it. Dada is in
the front, so we're pretty much one hundred yards from
each other. But he data is fast, so he'll get there.
Jeremiah leads them to me. Now, Peyton, cam and Jamarion
come in. Jamaron walks out. They try to fight. They
push me. Jeremiah pushes them back and says, you better
tighten the fuck up and then punches them. Then they
punch your mynd back and I pushed one of the
kids into a prickly Bushy's trying to pull himself off.
Then they say two v two right now, we're going
outside into the field. Then we start fighting. They're trying
to beat me up, and I have closed out my
grandma just gave me, and me and this Peyton kid
are holding onto it, and me and Peyton are cool now,
but we definitely had problems. And we're pulling onto it
and he hits me, and I hit him as hard
as I couldn't in his shoulder, which is the arm
he's holding the bag with, and he drops it and
I put it back on. Then they keg me, which
is when you know what that is. They could kick
you in the back of the leg and you collapse.
Then they beat me up. They're kicking my head, they're
kicking my arms, they're kicking my stomach. They're just jumping me.
They're stopping me out nothing, they're not stopping my head.
Jeremiah takes off running. I'm just there. I get back up.
I'm pushing people off me. Then I got my fist
up and I'm throwing. I'm punching, like there's eight people
jumping me, and I get my stuff back. They try to.
They take all my stuff out of my bag and
they throw it and they like, this is not my
fucking side anywhere, and then give it back. Now Dada
comes out and he comes to running get me, and
he gets me. Then we run back over because Jeremiah's
trying to start something because he's like, oh, they're gonna
beat up. Let me be able to say something so
they can't say that I ran away. He's losing. We
come up, we come help him. Then Dada gets slammed
from behind, literally sueplexed. Then Dada gets back up, picks
the kid up, and it's like, I'm not because Dada
really could. Dada said this, and he's not lying. He
could have killed that kid if he wanted to. He
had him just like this and could have dropped him
on his neck day. So I'm not gonna do him
like that. I'm just let him beat me up. Then
they go back down to the ground, the kids rest
on them. Then Dada's turning red, so we're kicking Peyton
off of him. Then this kid, Jamarian and Cam pull up.
They say, bruh, you're gonna have to and I'm even
mocking them. Don't call me racist. This is literally how
they talk. I'm not gonna lie. I'll call them right now.
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: Bruh.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to open up your cash at Brouh
and there's less than twenty dollars in there. Oh God,
we're gonna have to fight. Jamar is like five to
three at this time, bro whatever, So I open up
my cashop and my smart ass says, I don't let
him see it. I swear to God, I say, yeah, yeah,
there's nothing in here. We're gonna have to fight, So
what's up. I dropped my bag and we start fighting,
and this whole time I swear to God, I'm not
saying that guy's This literally happened on everything I love,
right hand on the Bible. They said, they've been saying
this the whole time. I wasn't telling you this because
like it's not it doesn't matter, but like right here
it matters. They said, I'm not gonna lie you real
as fuck. But Jeremih, we know he's gonna go snitch
to his parents, and that's not a lot. Jeremah used
to go tell his parents everything. But his parents used
to tell all around and the kids would get in trouble.
It's not Jeremih's fault.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's kind of that's pretty normal. But well
that's pretty normal that you would tell your parents and
they would say, hey, man, you got to get your
kid under.
Speaker 3: I had a whole knife in my bag. I don't
stab anybody.
Speaker 2: Why did you have a knife in your bag?
Speaker 3: Because I used to walk because everybody used to walk
around with the knife in their bag.
Speaker 2: Christy go on.
Speaker 3: Then they try to beat me up and I'm fighting
and then I push them off, and Cam's like, I'm
not gonna lie you real, blah blah blah, and Jeremih's like, yeah, right, bro,
whatever and are trying to fight Jeremiah. And at this
point I'm ready to fight, and my mom calls me,
thank god, I love you, Mom. You literally saved us.
It would have been a bigger brawl. It would have
been an eight v three because at this point everybody
was just standing around Daya and Peyton and I thank god,
we were walking away and I tell him, bro, I
had a knife my bag of Jerema. I was like,
why didn't you use it? Why didn't you give you that?
Why the fuck didn't you give that? Okay, because I
don't have to stab anybody over something so little. It's
not that big of a deal. This is why you
don't need a weapon, buddy, right, because you don't know
why not to use it. And he thinks, well, but
like if I had, you know us, and I'm getting
beat up, it's self defense. No, because if it's not
your name you're getting you're going.
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way more intense than I in tell for ya. No, no, no,
it's not. It's not about yapping.
Speaker 3: What I think you're trying to educate everybody.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a very very good thing because
I think oftentimes we wonder why is this happening? And
I really do Jamison still think because as you talked
about ego, if you could put your phone down, I
still think that it has to do with self esteem
and if I feel good about myself, I'm not gonna
let others tear me down if I'm on a path
to do well. Do you understand what I'm saying? Differently,
I know it is, but it's hard to get on
a path to do well when everything around you is
falling apart. People are angry, things are upset. I don't
know why I get into fights.
Speaker 3: I used to go to Jeremiah's house and like when
everything was going wrong, like right after LEVI, I thought
I was just fighting people every single day. Means jeremih
Esus could not go to the park without fighting why.
I don't know. This kid robbed me for a coin
that my great grandma had in a necklace and I
never got it back, but that day he had his
hands in my pockets, and I swear to God, I'm
not lying, Like I don't know everything. Jeremiah's fighting camp
camp slips on water, Jeremi's beating them up by his
on the ground, not the cam back. My friends are thinking,
if they're listening, then this other kid, I'm not gonna
say his name because this is just he's a trouble maker,
so he's just gonna, you know, come to the podcast,
just riot.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So he has his hands in my pockets and I'm like,
oh my god, I have the cleanest hit on this kid.
He better take his damn hands out my pockets. I
hit him right in his chin. Boom. He's like this
and he falls back and he's looking like he doesn't
fallen the ground, but he just falls back like this
and not punching him straight in the chest sore. He's
like this, and then that's it. And then like he's
just standing there or whatever, like he kind of brushes
it off like nothing happened. And I'm not going to
treat it like I beat that kid up, like I
was getting hit pretty bad, he got hit pretty bad. Whatever, Right,
everything ends, we just run away. Then I find a
glass bottom. I just throw it and it doesn't hit anybody,
just lands right by their bike and I think it's
tire popped whatever.
Speaker 2: But that was like, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Never told you about this stuff. Like I used to
get into fights every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that. There's no need for that.
Why did you keep going back there?
Speaker 3: There was my friend's house and didn't happen. I didn't happen.
It didn't happen ever, But you lived in a nice place.
It wasn't the hood for real. It was just a neighborhood.
It looked just like fair I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying most people, if they're getting beat up,
you aren't going back to the same place.
Speaker 3: Because my neighbors didn't like me hanging out with my
my neighbors didn't even like me. Some of my neighbors
didn't like me, and they didn't like that I hung
out with my friends. And my mom understands. Cam break
doesn't like fun, and I don't care. Came break sucks,
all right, and they don't like fun.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we're gonna close it out. Sorry, No,
it's fine. You're not yapping. You're I think again, I say,
you're giving insight. You're scaring me a little bit because
I don't like hearing all this this fighting.
Speaker 3: And stuff over I'm hearing.
Speaker 2: I know you're hearing. You're fine, but I think that
there's been some real scarring done.
Speaker 3: And I think that we have some literal stars.
Speaker 2: And I think I.
Speaker 3: Didn't get that.
Speaker 2: That's not what I mean. I meant scarring, like emotional scars.
I think this stuff is bad. I think it scares
you a.
Speaker 3: Few times, Jesus, not by you or anything.
Speaker 2: But I never dropped you on your head.
Speaker 3: I never did, be honest, was I ever dropped at
all by incident?
Speaker 2: But you. But I mean, no one's as good as
they think they are in a fight, you understand, I'm.
Speaker 3: Fire, okay, Thank God for you, Thank God for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I don't say that because I don't like
that what I teach. What I teach is a sport.
It's different. I'm not teaching, and street fighting is way
different than that.
Speaker 4: Not. Well, no.
Speaker 2: One's as good as they think they are. No one
for Jamison and the ulcer that I now have with worry.
I'm Bill Moran. Will see you tomorrow, my gosh,