WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.640 This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:08.599 descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. 3 00:00:08.919 --> 00:00:15.160 Listener discretion is advised. Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, 4 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:20.440 and together we are Crimes and Consequences, a true crime podcast. 5 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:39.119 Hi everybody, and welcome to Crimes in Consequences. My name 6 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:45.759 is Talia and this is my very beautiful co host, Tanya. Hello, 7 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.399 and we want to thank you guys all for joining us. 8 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.840 If you haven't done so already, hit the subscribe like 9 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:59.399 follow button. We're now on our own channel. It's on YouTube. 10 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.079 I think it's at Crimes and Consequences, but I'm having 11 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:06.760 a hard time finding it myself. But eventually, if you 12 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:09.079 type in Crimes and Consequences, you will see where you 13 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:12.280 can subscribe and you can see the video of this. 14 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:15.560 But otherwise you can listen on your favorite podcast. 15 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:18.200 And with that being. 16 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:21.239 Said, I don't think I need any more introductions, do you? 17 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:23.319 No? I don't think so. I think we can get 18 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:23.719 to it. 19 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:29.120 So this story I dove in deep. I there's so 20 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:31.760 much I could say that I'm probably going to leave 21 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:35.840 out because it's just it's first of all, it's really tragic. 22 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:42.840 It's pretty gruesome, and it does have children. 23 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:45.599 Involved, oh children victims. 24 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.760 And yes, and animals, and it's just bad. 25 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:50.959 Yeah, just a warning. 26 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:55.040 It's fucking bad. So but if you like true crime, 27 00:01:55.959 --> 00:02:00.239 it's a very interesting story and we like your like 28 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:03.680 true crime. So with that, we're gonna get started. All right, 29 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:05.640 let's put on my little reading classes. 30 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:06.239 Go for it. 31 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:10.680 I'm gonna tell you about John and Nancy Newman. They 32 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:15.080 were married in twin Falls, Idaho, on January fifth, nineteen 33 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:19.240 seventy five. Three years later. Their first daughter, her name 34 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:24.159 is Melissa, was born on September twenty second, nineteen seventy eight. 35 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:28.199 Then they had a second daughter, her name was Angie, 36 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.960 and that she was born on August seventeenth of nineteen 37 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:37.680 eighty three. They're living in Idaho and John gets a 38 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:43.039 job in May of nineteen eighty five in Anchorage, Alaska. 39 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:44.919 Ooh, that's a big move. 40 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:49.360 So he moves first, and then Nancy and the girls 41 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:55.599 follow in July of that year, so they're a few 42 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:01.319 months apart. Nancy's sister her name was Cherl. Her name 43 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:04.759 was Cheryl Chapman. She lived there, so they had some family. 44 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:05.639 Oh that's nice. 45 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:09.120 Yeah, that makes it better. And Nancy ended up getting 46 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.199 a job where Cheryl worked. They were both waitresses at 47 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.120 a place called Gwenny's and Gwene was It was a 48 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:19.560 popular place in Anchorage. It was a restaurant and it's 49 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:26.840 still in business today. Nancy's husband, John, he worked as 50 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:32.599 a heavy equipment operator for Mark Air, this company, but 51 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:37.840 then he got an injury from a forklift. I believe it. 52 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:39.439 It kind of ran them. 53 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.479 Oh no over a little bit, A little bit. 54 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.960 I mean he I mean, he wasn't killed, but he 55 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:51.840 was seriously injured. So workers' compensation like the work he 56 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:59.120 you know, filed acclaim and he got paid to retrain 57 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:03.280 as a locksmith. Oh and this was kind of interesting 58 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:07.599 to me because he got paid to spend two months 59 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:12.039 in California learning how to be a lacksmith. Wow. So 60 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:13.000 I don't think he's just. 61 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.360 Doing is this a state program? 62 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.439 It is through the state, So I don't I don't 63 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:22.399 think he's just doing a regular life Like there's no 64 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:24.040 I think it's different lacks than what. 65 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:27.319 Yeah, right, like some specialty blacksmith. 66 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:30.519 Yeah, I don't know. So the story that I'm gonna 67 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:36.279 tell you takes place three days before John was to 68 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:41.439 return home from California. This is not a good story. 69 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.920 In March of nineteen eighty seven, while John was away 70 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:51.920 in the training program, Nancy was staying obviously in Anchorage 71 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:55.480 with her two young daughters, eight year old Melissa three 72 00:04:55.519 --> 00:05:00.360 year old Angie. Nancy had a second job. She not 73 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.519 only was she a waitress at Gwenny's, but she was 74 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:06.959 also a certified public accountant at H and R Black 75 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:11.560 Oh Wow to make ends meet nice Yeah. On the 76 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:18.120 evening of Friday, March thirteenth, nineteen eighty seven, Nancy went 77 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:22.160 to dinner at Gwenny's along with her sister, Cheryl, and 78 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:27.040 her brother in law. His name was Paul Chapman. Basically, 79 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:29.560 she went to work and then after work they joined 80 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:34.319 her and they all sat and they ate. Now Nancy 81 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:38.000 and John's two daughters, Melissa and Angie. They had been 82 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:43.720 taken to go swimming by Cheryl's daughter. Her name was Kelly. 83 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.920 She was babysitting them. They went. Kelly made them some food, 84 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:54.319 took them swimming. Nancy, Paul, and Cheryl. They're at the 85 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:59.040 restaurant for a while, and then Nancy decides to go 86 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:03.120 home with Paul and Cheryl to her apartment. She lived 87 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.319 in an apartment whether with her husband and two daughters. 88 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:08.560 They drove her home and Paul said, you know, if 89 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.680 you need your car tomorrow, just let me know. I 90 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.399 don't know if they were drinking. I don't know anything 91 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:17.240 like that, but for some reason, she left her car 92 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:22.240 at Gwenny's. They all the adults came back home and 93 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:25.480 they just had coffee and they smoked some cigarettes, and 94 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:31.759 eventually Kelly came back with Angie and Melissa, and Angie 95 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:37.680 and Melissa got ready for bed. Cheryl and Paul left it. 96 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:45.319 And it's about ten o'clock at night, Cheryl, I'm sorry not, Cheryl. 97 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:47.920 Nancy didn't have to work the next day, so she 98 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:49.560 really wasn't worried about. 99 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:52.319 Oh, going to bed or yeah, getting up early or something. 100 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:54.439 Having to get her a car right away. Yeah, she 101 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:56.399 didn't have to work. So this is Friday night. She 102 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.680 didn't have to work until Sunday morning. At six am, 103 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:08.720 eight am on Sunday, Cheryl, her Nancy's sister, gets a 104 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:12.160 call from Nancy's boss and I don't know why this 105 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:19.639 is her boss's name, Okay, but they called her Mama Somerville. Okay, Mama, Sererville. 106 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:24.240 It's from twenties. Nancy was two hours late for her 107 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:27.000 shift and that wasn't That wasn't like her. She was 108 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:31.680 very punctual, punctual, and her vehicle was still in the 109 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:37.680 same spot as it was Friday night. This freaked Cheryl 110 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:43.759 out and Paul and Cheryl told Mama Somerville, I'll drive 111 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:48.800 over to Nancy's apartment and I'll check on them. Cheryl 112 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:52.519 and Paul drive over there, and Cheryl is so upset 113 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:55.240 she can't even get because she had a key to 114 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:57.920 Nancy's place, she couldn't even get it in lock, so 115 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:02.279 Paul had to do it. Cheryl waited in the kitchen 116 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:08.720 freaking out while Paul searched the house the apartment. He 117 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:14.519 yelled for Nancy and she didn't answer. They did notice 118 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:17.720 the coffee cups from the night before were still in 119 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:22.360 the sink, like from Friday night. Yeah, I'm sorry Friday night. 120 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:29.480 Thank you. Paul begins searching the apartment and he comes 121 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:35.240 to a gruesome site. And this is really hard to tell, 122 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:41.120 so buckle up. Eight year old Melissa in a room. 123 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:45.720 She was found lying on her back in the middle 124 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.679 of the bedroom on the floor. Her right arm was 125 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:51.960 under her body, and her left arm was out to 126 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:55.639 the side. Both of her legs were bent back at 127 00:08:55.639 --> 00:09:00.440 the knees. She was naked from the waist down, and 128 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:06.000 her pajama dress was pulled up over her chest. A 129 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:10.279 blue pillowcase was tied tightly around her neck, and there 130 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:15.519 was a second pillowcase around her right wrist, so as 131 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:19.720 if at some point both of her wrists had been 132 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:26.320 tied together, but that at the point where Paul found her, 133 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.279 there was just one, just one wrist tied with a pillowcase. 134 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:36.720 There was a pill of blood in her general area. 135 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:42.799 I hate these stories. 136 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.080 I know there was a palmprit that would later be 137 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:51.519 found on the wall above her headboard. In the next 138 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:55.879 room Paul found Nancy. She was laying on her mattress. 139 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.320 A pillowcase was tied tightly around her neck. Her nightgown 140 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.000 had been pulled up over her brass. Her face was 141 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:12.519 bloody and beaten, and she was clearly dead, and a 142 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:17.240 medical examiner would later determine she was raped and so 143 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:20.720 was Melissa. And I read conflicting things. One said that 144 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:25.159 Melissa was raped with a want object, but I know 145 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.799 that semen was found in her so I don't know 146 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:32.720 if there were two different forms, but we'll just go on. 147 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:38.440 When Paul opened the third door, it was even more horrific. 148 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.000 It was just a three year old Angie. She's lying, 149 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:44.480 She's laying on the floor covered in blood. 150 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:45.440 Oh man. 151 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:49.480 She had her jugular vein had been slashed through. Her 152 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:54.000 crowded artery had been cut. She'd been cut from ear 153 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:58.519 to ear, and she had four different cuts on her neck. 154 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:02.519 Her nightgown had been pushed up around her chest. 155 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:05.799 This is so weird. 156 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:11.960 Again. There was conflicting accounts of whether she was sexually 157 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.559 assaulted or not. There might have been an attempt, is 158 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:17.960 what I'm getting from it, because I feel like if 159 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:22.559 she was I would have found it. Yeah, probably, And 160 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:27.120 she had defensive wounds in her hands. And her cause 161 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.000 of death, excuse me, was she bled out? 162 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:30.960 Oh man. 163 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:37.679 The corner estimated that all three were murdered approximately about 164 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.679 ten o'clock on Saturday morning. So Friday night is when 165 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:48.879 Cheryl and Paul and babysitter Kelly, cousin Kelly Rover. Paul 166 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:54.720 sees all this. Man he stumbles to the kitchen and 167 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.919 he tells Cheryl, don't go down the hall. They're all 168 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:02.639 dead calls and and then nine one one calls which 169 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:06.159 I don't have. Cheryl can be heard just screaming in 170 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:11.559 the back. God. Now. A detective named Sergeant Mike Grimes. 171 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:17.000 He was from the Anchorage Police Department's Homicide Response Team. 172 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:22.639 He led the investigation for the triple homicide. There were 173 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:27.039 two separate teams of detectives working on the case. One 174 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:29.960 was to gather the evidence from the crimes crime scene 175 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:34.240 and the other one was to pursue any leads. I 176 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:38.080 mean I'm talking about right away. They split up like 177 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:42.519 some Some are interviewing neighbors, others are looking at the 178 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:50.240 crime scene. For weeks. Forensics actually went over Nancy's apartment. 179 00:12:52.279 --> 00:13:00.759 There was so much blood, hair, fluids, fingerprints. They use 180 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:04.120 this what is it when they have glue that they 181 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:05.120 heat up in. 182 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:08.279 It, oh like super glue to get to bring finger princes. 183 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:09.799 That they did that. 184 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:12.000 I don't know what it's called, but yeah, I've heard 185 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:12.320 of that. 186 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:18.960 They vacuumed the apartment and then they had found out 187 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:23.360 that Nancy had borrowed a vacuum from the Chapmans, So 188 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:27.360 they took the vacuum from a couple days earlier and 189 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:30.799 they went through all that they're trying to accumulate evidence, 190 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:36.639 and they again they find hair fibers. They package them 191 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:42.759 all and they sent it to the FBI. When the 192 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:46.960 police first got there, they noticed there were two cereal 193 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:50.399 bowls in the sink. There was a coffee cup on 194 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:56.120 the table, three in the sink, and that was a 195 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:00.759 sign to them that the girls had awoken Saturday and 196 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:05.440 they normally had cereal and watched cartoons while Nancy smoked 197 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:11.360 her Marlboro Reds and had coffee the morning cigarette it 198 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:16.639 had coffee. Now, when Nancy would work, she would take 199 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:18.840 all her coins and she would put it in a 200 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:23.559 cookie tin, you know the ones like at Christmas, the tins, 201 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:29.000 but she would roll them up, you know Nichols dimes 202 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.759 into the little like the paper wrappers. Yeah, I remember 203 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.240 those days. That was empty. They found that, and that 204 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.480 was empty, and that's where she kept all of her 205 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:47.000 her tips that were coins. Also missing from that apartment 206 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:53.200 was her purse, her jewelry, her husband John's keys, a 207 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:58.759 check book, a wallet, and a high priced a very 208 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.480 expensive at the time, I'm thirty five millimeter camera. But 209 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.639 despite what was taken, it didn't look like the place 210 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:12.159 was ransacked. It looked like whoever was there knew where 211 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:15.519 the items were that he or she wanted. 212 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:17.240 Okay, you know what I mean. 213 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:21.000 They're searching. There's drawers aren't open, things aren't turned upside 214 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:28.519 down anything. The evidence collected told a horrible story of 215 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:31.080 torture and sexual assault. 216 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:35.559 Oh man, tlea torture, ah man, Okay. 217 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:37.799 Okay, I'm not going to get all that into it 218 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:40.919 just because it is with a child, and I can't. 219 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.120 I am a human being, believe it or not, even 220 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:48.960 though I'm a lawyer inside right, it is still a 221 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:52.919 little bit a little spark, still a little spark in me. 222 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:54.840 There's a little piece still left. 223 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:59.840 Nancy had been badly crushed in the face. Oh some 224 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:05.799 blunt object, I mean, just beaten and then strangled with 225 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:16.879 a pillowcase. Interestingly, on her dresser they found green wool gloves. 226 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.039 Right like, isn't the summertime? 227 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:24.200 Yeah, yeah, gloves, hair gloves. Her sheets were blood stained 228 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:31.440 and there was some fecal matter on it. Okay, there 229 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:36.799 was blood observed on the bathroom light switch, and in 230 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:40.879 the bathroom they found a damp washcloth that had been 231 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.480 used to clean the sink, the mirror, and the toilet. Area. 232 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:46.679 Hmm. 233 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:55.840 Forensic technicians discovered one pubic hair on the washcloth. Now, 234 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:04.480 Melissa's body was how do I say this? She was 235 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:11.279 the one that seemed to be the focus. Oh, and 236 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.559 it's really it's just it's very heartbroken, heartbreaking for me. 237 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.480 They found thirteen pubic hairs on or around her body, 238 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:23.400 in addition to some extra headhair that didn't match any 239 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:27.680 of the victims, and they found pubic care on her 240 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:32.839 bed sheets. On three year old Angie. They killer left 241 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:37.640 one pubic hare, which is why I'm led to believe 242 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:44.759 he at least a tad too Ripeer. There were two 243 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.839 more foreign pubic hairs that turned up when they vacuumed 244 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:53.079 the floors, bringing the whole range of pubic hares to twenty. 245 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:55.880 Damn. Okay, he sudden a lot of puba cares. 246 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:00.559 I guess I got the hawk man. The killer had 247 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:05.000 staged the bodies. Remember I told you Molisses legs were 248 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:12.480 bent and the other ones were displayed out, so the 249 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:19.759 police knew they were dealing with the psychopathics like sexual sadist. This, this, 250 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:26.960 this is really fucked up. Sergeant Grimes consulted with the 251 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:33.920 FBI's behavioral science units specifically Agent Judson Ray, and this 252 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:38.200 is what Judson Ray concluded. He felt the killer would 253 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:42.319 have low self esteem, he would feel rejected by society 254 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:47.119 for years, and that now was his time for revenge. 255 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.440 He was likely the youngest of his siblings. 256 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:54.519 I wonder how they can figure this out. No, it's 257 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:57.839 fascinating to me. Okay, sorry, sidetrack. 258 00:18:57.519 --> 00:18:58.319 It's so weird. 259 00:18:58.440 --> 00:18:59.039 Yeah it is. 260 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:04.720 This person probably also experienced a recent traumatic event, such 261 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:08.680 as a breakup or loss of a job. The killer 262 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.559 would appear to be cooperative with the police and probably 263 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:17.839 try to interject himself into the investigation. They believe he 264 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:21.200 would have a history of sexual assault against either young 265 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:23.640 people or elderly people. 266 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:26.759 Oh like helpless people. That's real nice. 267 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.440 He was white, an underachieving male, probably between the ages 268 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:34.759 of nineteen and twenty four, Like what. 269 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:37.519 Yeah, do you know what I know? 270 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:46.079 All of this who lived nearby and Agent Ray. He 271 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:50.400 believed that the family probably knew who it was, and 272 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:59.599 perhaps they had rejected him. He specifically Nancy. He based 273 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.720 on the the fact that her face was just beaten 274 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.839 to a paul okay, which means someone's trying to annihilate 275 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:13.160 her identity. Basically, He also speculated that the killer's goal 276 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:17.240 was to humiliate Nancy and the girls. He would probably 277 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:26.519 have a hard time in relationships, in maintaining even menial jobs. 278 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:28.119 Well because he's a fucking creep. 279 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.680 So anyway, yeah, that's probably why with that description. 280 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:36.160 One person rose to the top of the suspect list. 281 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:41.200 His name was Kirby Anthony. He's twenty three years old 282 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:45.039 and he was a nephew of John Newman. 283 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:48.880 Oh Cheryl's husband. Yes, okay. 284 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:54.720 He had moved to Anchorage, Alaska with his girlfriend, Debbie 285 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:59.079 Heck from Idaho. He is from Twin Falls in nineteen 286 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:05.680 eighty five. The reason why he moved is there were 287 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:09.680 allegations against him that he had brutally raped a twelve 288 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:14.319 year old girl and beaten her, beaten her almost to death. 289 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:18.480 Her name was Michelle Wow at an Idaho campground and 290 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.279 he'd basically left her for dead, but she was found 291 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:28.880 proskeutters found by her a pair of flip flaps, and 292 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:31.839 they heard from other people that a group of guys 293 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:35.640 had been partying in that area. So they ended up 294 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:38.839 like I don't know if it was through the news 295 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:43.799 or what, but somehow through the flip flaps connected it 296 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:48.200 to Kirby. They were actually Kirby's friends flip flaps that 297 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:53.799 he borrowed. So police were investigating Kirby. The problem that 298 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:58.119 they had was that this girl, Michelle, had been so 299 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:03.440 brutalized that she had suffered some brain injury. Yeah, so 300 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:08.440 she couldn't identify her attacker immediately. So he skips town 301 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:16.279 with his girlfriend and goes to Alaska while they're investigating him. 302 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:21.200 And just a little side note, he Kirby did admit 303 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:26.319 to verticalarizing the home in nineteen eighty two of an 304 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:31.240 elderly woman, So this is a prior crime he committed. 305 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:33.759 And I will get into his background a little bit. 306 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:40.319 He beat this woman who was in a wheelchair. Man 307 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:44.440 the fuck, what is his problem in a wheelchair? He 308 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:50.599 sprayed her with mace in her face, tied her up, 309 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:57.119 and took her phone so she couldn't call anybody. Any 310 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:00.640 rob her. Luckily, her son had came to visit her 311 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.400 and that saved her life. So let me give you 312 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:09.440 a little background on Kirby. This gem his parents. He 313 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:12.319 was the youngest of five, just like the profiler inside, 314 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:14.200 he'd probably be the youngest. He was the youngest of 315 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:16.400 five his dad was a truck driver and his mom 316 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:19.759 was a waitress. Her name is Peggy. I don't remember 317 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:23.960 his dad's name, but his dad wasn't very nice. His 318 00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:30.440 dad one time beat his brother for not feeding the cat. 319 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:35.359 And while he was beating Kirby's brother, his mom, Kirby's 320 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:40.359 mom tried to intervene. So he started beating Kirby's mom Peggy, 321 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:43.000 and he kicked her in the ribs and she crawled 322 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:48.079 into the bedroom and he came after her, and she 323 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.240 grabbed a gun and he's like, what are you gonna do? 324 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.119 Just go ahead and shoot me. So she did. 325 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:53.799 Oh. 326 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:56.440 She shot him in the hip. Wow, And he drove 327 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:05.880 himself to the hospital and he survived. I'll just his years, 328 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:09.200 his younger years. There's so many crimes, so I will 329 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:14.720 just stick to the more interesting ones. There is a 330 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:20.119 really disturbing incident that happened. He had a girlfriend, I 331 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:25.079 believe her name was Kim, and he took him to 332 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:28.000 a bridge where he had a bunch of friends there 333 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:32.359 and his friends had baby bunnies in a bum no, 334 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:36.119 and they were going to light the bunnies on fire 335 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:41.880 what and throw them over the bridge. Kim started crying 336 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:47.319 and Kirby's like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no no, 337 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:50.119 and he acts like a hero and he takes her 338 00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:51.559 home and guess what he does. 339 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:53.079 He kills the bunnies. 340 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.279 He goes back to the bridge. Oh, lights the bunnies 341 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:02.119 on fire with his friends alive, throws them over the bridge. 342 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:03.480 People are fucking sick. 343 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:07.599 God, Kim broke up with him, and he spent years 344 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:13.039 stalking her. Oh God, even when she was married, he 345 00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:14.359 was still stalking her. 346 00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:17.119 This happened in Idaho, right, yes, crimes. 347 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:24.079 Okay, So he's having all these troubles and he goes 348 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:31.160 to Anchorage with his girlfriend Deb and they get odd jobs. 349 00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:35.640 He works at a car wash, just just some small 350 00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:41.079 jobs for a few months, and then they end up 351 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:47.279 moving in with Nancy and John Newman. Okay, because they 352 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:50.200 told Nancy and John and this is true, that they 353 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:55.480 had gotten a job at the Arctic Enterprise. And that 354 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:59.319 is a boat which also has a facility on it 355 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:02.880 where or a factory where like, as soon as fish 356 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:05.319 are caught, you can clean them right on the boat. 357 00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:10.119 But they also take the boat out for long periods 358 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:13.680 of time, so they stay there for a little bit. 359 00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:16.480 They sell their possessions because. 360 00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:18.799 They're waiting to get on this boat for the season 361 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.559 start or something exactly. 362 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:26.400 And then Nancy and John did not enjoy their company. 363 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:32.200 So you know, they found Kirby to be aggressive and 364 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:35.039 that he did drugs. I don't know what kind of drugs. 365 00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:40.200 I do know cocaine, probably weed. I don't know anything else. 366 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:50.799 But eventually they deb and Kirby Kirby, thank you. They 367 00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:54.440 go on the boat. They go on the Enterprise, and 368 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:58.920 Kirby's girlfriend she really wanted to go on that ship 369 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:03.119 because she was being abused and she felt if she 370 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.000 was surrounded by other people, he wouldn't be able to 371 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:07.920 refuse her, and she wanted to break up with them. 372 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.720 Oh yeah, it's best to be around other people because 373 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:13.079 she probably knows what a psycho he is exactly. 374 00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.839 Yeah, she breaks up with them on the boat, and 375 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:20.680 he doesn't like that so much. But then she starts 376 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:25.599 dating somebody. Oh girl, no, and he really doesn't like that. 377 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:31.200 He ended up getting fired because he started fights. So 378 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.000 he got kicked off the boat. 379 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.680 So that's the traumatic event and he lost his yah, 380 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:37.640 his girlfriend. 381 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.640 Yeah, he goes back to Anchorage and he shows up 382 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.480 at Nancy's apartment and he asks us if he can stay, 383 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:45.519 you know, with. 384 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:47.200 With Nancy and the girls. 385 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:49.519 Yeah, while John's away in California. 386 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:55.319 Oh no, Nancy says, okay, Oh, she's so nice. 387 00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:58.000 But when she told John, John was like, oh, hell 388 00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:02.640 to the no fuck out. So Nancy had to kick 389 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:03.039 him out. 390 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:04.160 Oh boy. 391 00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:08.000 She didn't tell John that she had loaned him five 392 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:15.359 hundred dollars. And by the way, Kirby's mom never bothered 393 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:20.079 to share with Nancy and John the fact that he 394 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.000 was being looked at. 395 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.319 For oh for the twelve year old rape. 396 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.960 And attempted murder of a twelve year old. 397 00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.799 That's nice. No, she was just happy he was gone. 398 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:36.799 Yeah. Sure, Probably Kirby. On the night of the murders, 399 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:41.119 he claims that that entire evening, I should say, like 400 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.440 before March thirteenth, he was playing cards, drinking, using some 401 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.559