Speaker 1: Oh, let's take your last ad break and we'll talk
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right back and we are back. Hello, ladies, gentlemen, and
welcome to Welcome back for the people that enjoy the retros,
or welcome back to the peel that have been you know,
maybe they dipped out. Oh Trass and Dylan reviewed season
three of Daredevil, not going to be back to season four. Well,
it's nice to see you again after seven years. I
am a disgusting sandwich Trass now and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am the filler of holes, Kirk Patzer.
Speaker 3: You filled that all really seven years? Oh my god?
Speaker 4: That I am Dylan back again after seven years, apparently
buried in rubble.
Speaker 3: But it's good to be back.
Speaker 5: Dylan born again. I am Andy to the field.
Speaker 1: You know, Dylan, if you went by that nickname that
had the dog in it, you could have the double
d's if you wanted.
Speaker 4: You know, the nickname with the dog. And I don't
know what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Do you know that one? I didn't want to say it.
I thought you would know.
Speaker 3: I thought you know, would I How was I supposed
to know?
Speaker 1: That time? But ladies and jailemy. Yes, we are here.
I would say as of right now. I know we
had Captain America, but hey for r MCU projects we
voted us for voted uh Daredevil Born Again as our
most anticipated Marvel project and definitely one of my most
anticipated projects of all since this podcast. I think for
the years, this is our biggest one. I think it's
gonna be a very exciting review because we come from
two different sides. It's like two different countries coming together.
Rom and Dilm are the old g old Sheriffs. You know,
we did our time. We were there for every single
other than the Ferry, first Daredevil, after that, Luke Cage,
Daredevil Defenders, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist Punisher. We were there
for all where you got Kirkland tearor who just the
past you know, from I don't know October to now
have just started to dip their I'd say their whole
body is dipped in Daredevil now, but if it's a
whole different perception of exactly.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 1: I got lots of things to promote, lots of things
to share, but we'll do that in a little bit
and I'm gonna you know, I don't want to offend
the other two. But I am gonna throw to my
Netflix brother, and because you know, we were there since
the beginning, so I'm gonna throw to Delmas first too.
Uh So you can give yourself, give people like a
little just elevator pitch of any history you might have
with Dared w your thoughts on the old show, because
obviously we weren't on those retro so people might not
even there's a whole bunch of people that are listening
to probably never heard our thoughts. So just mini elevator pitch.
And then nonsp was what you thought of Daredevil Born Again,
which is now outen returned.
Speaker 4: So yeah, well, now I'm trying to remember back did
we start with season two or did we go back
and do one like at like months ever came out
or something.
Speaker 1: We never did one because I listened to a little
bit of our season three review and we said, oh,
maybe one day we'll retro season one, and we didn't,
so we.
Speaker 3: Never heard these boys got you guys covered?
Speaker 6: Yeah we did that one. Yeah, bigger fans over here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So at some point jumped into that show back
in the day and then kind of stuck around for
every other season of all those Netflix Marvel shows, which
was quite an era. And man, can't I can't believe
it's been seven years since the end of Daredevil season three.
That's kind of an insane thing to think about. But
you know, I think I'm coming at this from like
a slightly different angle from all three of you yet,
because you know, Taylor Kirkland, fresh off watching this show, Travis,
you did a rewatch of the whole thing, and that
is that your second four realt or have you done
multiple over the years.
Speaker 1: Ah, Yeah, I've lost I've lost count like I don't
say like a cocky wave of like I've watched a
ten No, But I think it's a show throughout the
years have been like I'm just gonna put on Daredel
when I've run through. I don't think it's greater. I
don't think I'm in the double digits though, I'll say that.
But it had been a moment. It had been quite
a lot since I've done that, so.
Speaker 4: Well, it's easy for me to count it because it
was just the one time that I watched it, and
so it's been a while. I am very foggy Nelson
on some of these details. A lot of these things
have kind of left my brain and people are talking
about things and then it's like, Okay, it's coming back here,
And you know, I do really love the show, so
I think a lot of it did, say my memory,
but if you ask me a detail, but like any
movie that I reviewed last year, I probably couldn't even
do that in my memory, as many listeners know, is
just not very good. So coming at this yeah, in
a bit of a you know, looking through the dark here,
trying to find my way. But yeah, I feel like
the show picked up in a way that was pretty
easy to do so, and I really enjoyed these first
two episodes in particularly. I really loved the first one here,
and the second one was it was good. It was solid,
but it wasn't quite as seller as that first and
I suppose, but I really like what we've done with
the show. I feel like they did a good job
of doing the two episode thing here because just kind
of where we get by the end of episode two
is kind of where I want to be at the
end of like the pilot of a show, kind of
in terms of really getting us into the good stuff.
So yeah, I'm really into what we got here. I
think the action and those moments are working. There's already
tons of characters and storylines set up. A couple of
them I'm not too sure about, but that's always how
it goes with these Marvel Netflix show There's random people
on the side who are at varying levels of so
we'll see what some of that stuff does. But with
like our main casting crew here, uh, firing on out
all cylinders feels like a bit of an overstatement, but
it's like, it's it's really solid, really solid to start here,
and I'm very excited to continue with this bad boy.
So it's it's just it's just good to be back.
It's good to have this show back after all these years,
even though we've got Daredevil and Charlie Cox back for
a few other things, but this is, you know, this
is the cream of the crop right here. So I'm excited.
I'm feeling happy.
Speaker 1: Kirkland, did it cream your crop?
Speaker 2: Cream my crop?
Speaker 6: This was an interesting one because, yeah, in the last
handful of months I went through the whole Daredevil experience
and it's super fresh.
Speaker 4: Still Separate Defenders, yeah, big keypart missing.
Speaker 6: Yeah ruined season three for me not watching Defenders, But yeah,
I know, I was very much excited for this one.
It was weird because I didn't have to wait a
long time. So for me watching from season three Daredevil
to this one, it felt like like a disjointed connection
of the two, I think for me right now. So,
Dylan is funny you said, Caesar, sorry, episode one, you're
really hot on episode two, not so much. I'm like
the complete opposite. Episode one actually was like kind of
rough for me.
Speaker 2: Of like a landing. Oh my, it was that rough.
They're pulling me, They're pulling me.
Speaker 1: They're pulling me. Yeah, oh shit, we can't. Foggy sniped him.
He got them. You daredable back after seven years and
the first thing you say is disjointed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like I feel like it. I'll save it
for spoilers.
Speaker 6: But yeah, episode one for me, it seemed kind of
disjointed from the original show. But episode two, I feel
like it's just pushing forward with the story now, not
trying to so much like carry on with what happened
in the original show, Like it's just telling its own
journey now, And I think I'm just a lot more
hooked on that. So, yeah, it was kind of a
weird because like build up, anticipation, really excited to get
the show going, and then it's just like, oh man,
I'm really not liking this.
Speaker 2: I'm not liking the vibe.
Speaker 6: I'm not liking just the character dynam But fortunately, you know,
jumping into and like I think the back half of
episode one, like all already I was starting to vibe
with it a little bit more. It was just like
an initial first introduction, like, oh man, what's Marvel doing
to the show now, I'm so worried, But uh no,
it's it's it's yeah, I'm vibing with it. I'm I'm
I'm loving our our lead. You know, Charlie Cox is
as powerful as he's ever been, so uh yeah, no,
I'm I'm I'm digging it. And I will say I
think some things that I maybe have had some issues
with that mostly in the season three of Daredevil. I
feel like I'm already kind of thinking of it differently
and vibing with it more. Obviously all detail that can
we get to that, But yeah, it was an interesting
first two episodes here and loving the length though, like
I feel like we had a long time, It's not
like a twenty two minuter.
Speaker 2: And then it's over rolling credits. You're like, are you
are you serious? That's it?
Speaker 6: Like, oh my gosh, it's only nine episodes right for
the season. So yeah, I'm hoping we spend our time wisely,
but uh yeah, I'm not. I'm not super super hot
and not super super down. So it's uh, it's gonna
be interesting going to next week. And is it two
episodes every week?
Speaker 1: No, just there's another week later. I think. I feel
like they did this for the hype, and then I
bet that one in the middle is probably one of
them is probably a slower episode, and they're like, we
can't just give them this this week. They're gonna complain,
you know. So it's like, so they're like, they're really
gonna complain, Let's give them three a week. It's like, oh,
I don't know if you can do that, but okay,
Disney Pleasure.
Speaker 6: I will say I am looking forward to these weekly
reviews because, like on the retro with just me and Taylor,
I feel like there's some things where I'm like, you know,
like I'm curious if certain individuals feel the same way
we do on certain characters.
Speaker 2: But yeah, let's keep going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go just to keep the theme of Netflix
snoopy Netflix. I'll leave Taylor for last, which is dangerous.
But alas here we are. Yeah, I think people, I
don't know how to feel about this. I I this
is almost one where I wish I had more time
to sit on. So I think if you were asked
me two different questions, I'd have, of course, different answers
for you, of course, But I mean, like for this show,
there's two ways you could look at it, right, If
do you like Daredevil Born Again by itself? I would
say yes, I'm enjoying a lot of the new aspects
they've brought to Daredevil. Cox and Donofrio just always good
like seeing to because like it's different with Cox Donofrio,
Like he was in Hawkeye that was very iffy. He
was in Echo, which he wasn't in a much. This
feels like we're packed to prime Donofrio Kingpin. I know, hey,
there's some hot takes down there below, but for me,
he is a top five MSU sorry, just Marvelville and
Scratched and even comic Ville he might be top ten.
Like I know, he's not exactly like he's the mustache TRAI. Oh,
I'm a big tough guy. But it's like, that's what
I loved, is they recreated the character and that carry
os over here. And for my brief history, yeah, with
Dylan we reviewed all of them. I always say, like
Rewatching It, I would say maybe the Netflix show is
the best live action comic show. It's always that low
Key or Watchman, those are the three. But I feel
like with Daredell after Rewatch, yeah, I think I can
cement its for live action purely the animated stuff, it
would be a lot lower because there's a lot of
great stuff out there. But and Daredevil, I absolutely love
the character. Next to Wolverine, He's my favorite Marvel character
and that kind of echelon. So I've been very anticipated.
This is a show that I kind of thought would
maybe never happen. I thought we'd get Chox Cox back
in the MCU, but we've gotten this. So if you're
asked me, do I like this show? And I do,
because yeah, we get those two back and they feel
like they just carried right over from the show. They
feel exactly like nothing's changed because like me and Tarry
Talbot's a newscast a couple of weeks ago with like
Johnny Depp and Jack Sparrow where it's like eventually felt like, hey,
this isn't that same guy anymore. Where Cox and den
Awfield they feel exactly like they did seven years ago.
They haven't missed a beat. If not, they're somewhat better,
which is kind of crazy. So that's exciting. I think
there's some elements to New York they're adding, and there's
some stuff that I'm because I talk of those Emily
because she was on some of those reviews of US
and they had some stuff that was topical. But I
think with this show, with the mayor aspect and this
is all stuff you see in traps, but with the
mayor aspect, with the police aspect, with some aspect of vigilantes,
there's lots of stuff that is very like current to
right now. It's happening right now, which I said was
interesting because Brad New World. I thought that was maybe
a negative for them because that kind of hurt like people, Oh,
I don't know if I want to see this, But
like Fisk is, literally they're just drawing the line to
the President and the fact that Okay, police brutality is
not just like a story, it's a huge plot beat here.
That to me is like a really bold swing to
do right now, because you can turn off a lot
of viewers that way and go oh, I don't need
this or all I feel about this, or the cops
are always right where. I don't think the original show
had those big swings. So I think the show's doing
some really risky but provocative stuff. So I'm enjoying that now.
If you ask me, do I enjoy this as Daredevil
season four, that's like a different question. And that's where
I feel, I don't know what people are watching. This
is the same way. We'll wait and see because I
remember a spider Man friendly neighborhood Spider Man ever, whatever
the fuck that show is called, I Hate Your Fai
the New Spider Man showing Disney Plus where it's like
this is one of the best ever. I still never
got to that point, but near the back half I
was like, Okay, I can see the reviews warranted here.
We're at the beginning, Like that's a little rocky for me.
The show, look wise, doesn't really feel like Netflix. They
do something that's like a classic. They try and do
a few things, one in particular that's a classic Netflix
thing and it's so disneyfied. I couldn't enjoy it at all,
Like it just did not feel like what that thing
was in the past, that Daredevil is one of the
things it's known for, and it felt like in a
very odd version it feels And people don't hate me
for this quote. It feels like a Last Jedi to
Rise a Skywalker comparison where you can tell JJ Abrams
and Ryan Johnson like, look how much Rose is used
in Last Jedi, right, and then look how much she's
used and Rise of Skywalker. So if you're a big
fan that Rose character, that fucking sucks. If you're not,
then great. And I feel like this show feels like
that a little bit. The way it shot, just the
way it feels. I think it's tough because it's it
feels like a reboot of the Daredevil show and a
season four, but it doesn't want to pick which lane
it's in. And that's what's so interesting is they shot
the show and then the rumor was like, oh, they
reshot it. It wasn't good and they didn't feels like
Daredevil season four, And all the press has been like, yeah,
this is this is Daredevil season four. This is just
like Netflix, and I don't think so. If you were
to tell me this was a reboot the same way JK.
Simmons was playing you know, a new Jonah, I would
believe you. Not the cannon. They keep the cannon stuff.
I just mean the some of the vibe, the look,
the feel. Some storylines. It's a little iffy, even the
storyline we're doing. I'm curiously at Kirkland's thoughts on because
there's an aspect of that he's not a fan of.
And for me, there's a storyline we're doing for a
third time. You guys didn't watch Defenders, but it's it's
so to me, it's just like, this is the best
we got. So if you watch it as its own
new show, I think it stands a lot better if
you're looking for it as a hardcore Netflix fan. Is
a continuation other than Cox and Dernofio, and those are
pretty that's like a assistant line. If it feels off,
it definitely feels very different. So I think this is gonna,
for me overall, be a good show, maybe a great show,
like some of this stuff is great, but I if
the quality is like this, I think it's firmly placed
below those three. But we're only two episodes in. We'll
see but as look as far as like a Netflix
vibe and the grittiness it's missing. It's definitely missing some
of that grit. It's had a lot of plaster scene
put all over it. Especially I'll say, in the first
ten minutes it's like, ooh, this is not I miss
some of that stuff. But overall still really enjoy Its
still good. But I would I would say if people
are excited by the thought of, oh, it's more of
a continuation, I would I would really backpedal and I'll
share more of those thoughts in spoilers.
Speaker 6: So just the fact that it's nine episodes versus thirteen, like,
I feel like that's going to be hard to compare, Like,
you just have so much more time to spend on
those storylines. It just if you're wanting to compare the seasons.
But it is going to be interesting once it's all.
Speaker 1: Done, mister Field, take us home. In the non.
Speaker 5: Spoilers, Yeah, this, I think you guys have said many
good points about it and this show being a sequel
and like a soft rebook kind of thing. I think
at its score for me when I was watching that
first episode, it felt like, Okay, Disney is definitely just
putting their mark down, and hey, we have all these
different things that were already created in this pre established universe,
and we want to change it drastically to keep some
familiar things. Obviously, you want to have things that you
would recognize and are familiar with, but you also want
to have a whole new era ushered in, and I
think that they're just trying to make it more their
own by doing that. Was I shocked with some of
the changes, Yes, I absolutely was, But at the end
of the day, I'm not disappointed or anything along those lines.
I thought, Okay, this is quite crazy. But I feel like, unfortunately,
the first very beginning of that first episode was immensely rushed,
and I could have done with that, have been dragged
out for the first half hour or so of the episode,
because it just would have suited it a bit better
instead of just being such a rushed like, uh, I
don't I don't want to say anything that'll woreline into spoilers.
It just at the end of the day, I feel
like it just got a little bit too fast paced,
and I think that is a bit of a negative
for me in that regard and then how things transition
later on, I thought, okay, well that's when things started
to get interesting in a different light, a different perspective.
But they are familiar things from the other three seasons.
And again I haven't seen Defenders, so I can't comment
on that, but the other three seasons they have these
familiar beats in this first and second episode that it
just was very recognizable. So I'm curious what they're going
to be doing here and if they are gonna if
they they've tried to make it their own, are they
gonna keep going and keep trying to make it thrown?
Are they gonna be kind of piggybacking and making it
like can familiar beats from the first three seasons.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: That.
Speaker 5: Being said, it's not bad.
Speaker 3: I don't hate it.
Speaker 5: I I like the show, and I like what we've
seen so far, and I'm curious to see where this
is gonna go. There's a couple of Easter eggs that
they've dropped in there, which was really really cool, really
really fun one that I need to ask you guys
about it. I'm not sure if you got it, because
when we get one of us only one.
Speaker 3: It'll probably you trust.
Speaker 1: And if I get it wrong, no one else can answer.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's it was.
Speaker 5: It was weird, and I think you'd have you'd only
notice it if you had the captions on, because it
was like inaudibly. You couldn't hear it because the audio audio,
the audio.
Speaker 1: And the blades back the voice.
Speaker 5: The audio kind of fuzzed out and it was just
in the captions.
Speaker 3: It's like, what the fuck? Actually they said that?
Speaker 2: Holy shit?
Speaker 4: So well, Kirkland's the caption king, so I'm sure he
saw it too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I do more reading than I do listening.
Speaker 1: Really, then you might be better to ask Kirkland because
I don't have captions on. Unless the kids are.
Speaker 4: You can only ask one of us.
Speaker 5: So you ic the comic book history though, because I
took it to Google and is like the Google is
not even telling me the right answer.
Speaker 3: The googs, the googs.
Speaker 1: Uh suer, Mike says, I see it as a new
comic run from a new artist writer. It was never
gonna be exactly Netflix paraphrase there. But yeah, no, I agree,
And that to me is why I said, like, if
you asked me, how do I just feel the show
by itself great so far. It's just when it is
like A, I feel like it's just a lot of
words out that they've done the past few months to
try and get people on board, because I feel like
there's tons of people, especially because I love Daredevil and
she Hulk. I was completely fine at that, but the
crowd that didn't was like, oh, man, fucking Disney, they're
gonna ruin Daredevil when one, they've never really read Daredevil
and know like he has many runs where he is
comedic and he's kind of very charismatic and can be
a fun like vigilante, or there's whether he's through a
depression he's kind of pushing his darkness off to the side.
But I think that's on the back and I think
that's some of the stuff too. You're talking about the
first timants. Feels like it's like, a, we got to
make like a certain people happy and then we're gonna
get to our show. But it's like, let's make those
people like you remember this and you know this. Oh
you're welcome here Netflix fans.
Speaker 5: But like you're welcome, fuck you.
Speaker 1: Yeah we'll get there. So, yeah, we're gonna take spois
because also it sounds like we want to get our
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let's yeah, let's usually be kind of all over, let's
legitimately start at the beginning. Yeah, So I got a
good laugh when Taylor was like, man, I was listened
to the season three retrospective and he's talking about what
his thoughts are for Born Again, and one of his
last thoughts, like, man, I just can't wait to see
this they do with Foggy because he's really grown to
be my favorite character of the show. So the reason
I was so confident because like, there we don't know
everything for sure. There are rumors in the original kind
of the show that they killed them both supposedly Karen
and Foggy, and then I guess for some reason we
don't know. It's still just like scooperman as of what
happened off. Did they just want to keep Foggy dead
or some people have said that they shot too much
of Foggy being dead that they couldn't reroute it, where
maybe Karen was like saveable where you could add stuff like, Okay,
well Karen didn't actually die. We don't know, and maybe
we'll never know, or as the years go on, will
come out. But that's where like apparently this had been
the opening for a while. There's even stuff that like
we don't even know if Bullseye was the one that
originally killed Foggy, So that's what I mean, Like that
felt like, well, let's get the The Netflix stands love Bullseye,
so let's get him back. So that's what it's say.
We won't know for a while, but yes, they open up.
They're at Josie's, they're having a good time. They've they
just walked back from what the hell's a page Murdoch
and Nelson whatever it is, right, they come on m
m P. Yeah, and there did you call it? The
Foggy is talking to some girl that will meet later.
What is their McDermott or what the hell they're Karen mcderrek.
Speaker 3: You close, Murdock's new partner.
Speaker 1: Cool, and then Foggy and then Karen and Matt are talking.
Seems like we don't know the status of what's going
on them. They kind of hint that they could go
back and have a fun time. So I don't know
if that's the first time, if they're friends with benefits,
because if people don't remember in season three they were
not a couple. When that show ended, they were very
Karen was not a big fan of Matt, just had
just forgiven him for all these bad things. So they're
walking out Foggy and I agree with Taylor, felt very
rush if Foggy gets this call. We don't get much
of the situation. Foggy's just like withholding some witness or something.
He kind of implies Matt hasn't been Daredevil for a while,
so I got some more negatives about that. But then
lo and behold mister point Dexter great entrance. He kills
a fly with a paper clip. Shout out to the
two thousand and three Daredevil, because I just watched the
end of Today Colin Pharaoh's throwing paper clips everywhere in
that fucking movie, So that was great. And then at
nowhere again smoke bombs and then Foggy Nelson takes a
sniper right pretty much to the heart, you know, like
he's not Dexter Morgan, so he's not surviving this. He
was in a cold environment. But most people get sew
in the heart, they die. And we'll get to the
maybe the more overall scene. But yeah, Tay, I'll start
with you. Who was saying Foggy might be your fair
cared of the series, I don't know. Five minutes in Donezo, uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was.
Speaker 5: I was in the back of my mind ever since
chat gpt even fucking through in the first episode.
Speaker 1: Just I'm getting killed.
Speaker 3: God damn it. So here we are. He's dead. He's
fucking iced. And this is where I thought, Okay.
Speaker 5: They're really I thought he was they He just looked.
Speaker 1: At the actor in the room. We're gonna ic you
was like, okay.
Speaker 5: I thought they were gonna kill Karen page Off to
be honest, because I thought at this point, he's just
throwing a smoke grenade into uh the bar, And I
thought this is all like the iconic locations were always
visiting and the people were familiar with from that first
the first three seasons, so there's no one.
Speaker 1: He didn't shoot her either. He shot the two like
people beside her, like with precise yeah.
Speaker 5: And he was going to he was he was playing
with his food and I love that that callback when
he walks out, Hello Karen.
Speaker 3: Just poor, that was great. Yeah, fucking traumatized.
Speaker 1: People don't remember he does that to her twice in
season three of Hello Karen, It's nice to see you again. Yeah,
he didn't do that part. But I love bulls Eye
so much. When they're like, we might do a Bullseye show,
I'm like, fuck, yeah, give me this fucking weirdo for
eight episodes.
Speaker 2: Boring character, just an a villain, like.
Speaker 1: All the stuff he throws though, Kirkland, come on, no,
he was great.
Speaker 2: Remember Eye, he's a name, but you don't like three
hours exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he throws them even in this episode. All that
he was thrown at that like, Bullseye is the best.
Speaker 5: And when you see how many knives were in Daredevil
two in the beginning of.
Speaker 3: This episode, is like, holy fuck. He's just like.
Speaker 2: Coy knife to everyone. He got a lot of civilians.
Speaker 3: Everyone eight nine and he was nine people. I think
they said.
Speaker 1: No I think I think it was eleven because I
thought they said eleven counts, so I think he killed.
I think he got to double digits. Bulls eye point.
Speaker 6: That's not counting everyone that he's already murdered and the
other show, like it's just.
Speaker 1: Those two okay stuff, Why is it we ridiculous? What's
ridiculous about it?
Speaker 6: Because he throws a fucking knife, like hits a garbage
can and then it flies like a mile and snipe
someone's in the head like it like everything he.
Speaker 1: Throws he's just gonna hit. Though, Now it's so stupid.
Speaker 4: Though, have you seen the other forty projects in the MCU, Like,
I'm surprised that that now where you draw the line
of what's realistic, it's pretty.
Speaker 2: Much all that's all the character is?
Speaker 6: Is he just only hits dead eyes Like that's that's
just it's so boring.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's not all the character. He does
miss sometimes on matter. And second of all, there's a
whole backstory about him being abused as a kid and
all this other stuff. So there's a season three retro
you could listen to Kirkland that you talk about there's
there's more to Bulls that than just the throw in.
You know, I'm so done with Okay, he's gonna be back.
He's gonna be Oh, I.
Speaker 2: Know he's gonna be back because they kept him alive.
Speaker 5: That caught me off guard too, But with with everything
with with Foggy, it's just it does suck.
Speaker 3: It hurts because I really thought they're gonna they're gonna
give him a little bit more to do, at least
before they ax him.
Speaker 5: But unfortunately that's that's not the case. And now I
feel like at this point, like Karen might as well
have been killed off too, because she's just out and gone.
Speaker 3: Now. She was like again, I'll hold my breath. We
got to wait to see the rest of the show.
I understand that.
Speaker 5: But it just feels like she's really out and gone,
especially now because we've we'll talk more about it. They
replaced the love interest, they've replaced the work affiliates and
everything like that. So Matt's got a whole new bubble
he's in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you think we'll see Karen much? There's this season?
Like or is she like season twos or they like
maybe even punish her, like they kept her a life
for a reason, but like as you mentioned sticked her
in San France, so I don't think we'll I don't
really think we'll see her in this, Like it doesn't
seem like she'll be a part of it, but they
still wanted to keep her up in case they want
to bring her back at some point.
Speaker 1: I would say one to two more episodes. I could
see an episode where she's a small part than maybe
a big part, I would hope, especially with Frank coming back.
She's always tied to Frank. If you obviously YouTube did
down below, didn't watch punish her, but she's also Unpunisher,
and her and Frank camp some stuff going on there.
So I feel like at least one more episode, I'll say,
But that that's for me. You know, folks, be careful
what you wish for, because I send the predictions. I'm
fine if Foggy goes. Kill Foggy. I think you've done
everything you can at that character, you know, And I
wanted more screen time with Matt. But what Taylor just
alluded to this is what I'm pissed. It's like, Okay,
if we killed Foggy and then we wrote Karen out
of the show just to have a new Karen and
new Foggy. That's where the show is taking down major
marks for me because the guy that is the cap
that saw him take the mask off, he is just
operating what Karen used to do. She'd always be investigating stuff,
getting information for Matt. Oh fis because this amount of votes,
that's that. And then the word like Tay I said,
the work affiliate, that's oh setting that up on a date,
or here's a client, that's what fogg you would do.
So now to me, now I'm completely against the idea
of killing Foggy because for my idea is kill Foggy
and just take that type of character out, just leave
it more with Matt. Like there's so much to do
with Matt Murdock as a character. You don't always need
to have like five different side characters, even if I
like some of them. It's like the show is still
called Daredevil, right, so it should be like I always say,
like the Dexter Method the early seasons where Michael's Hill
was majority of that show, and that's what I prefer
when the show is called Daredevil. So now it's like
I have the same kind of problems. But then with
characters I care less about and I like again, like
take s. There were two episodes and so maybe I'll
grow to love them, but like, I don't think I'm
gonna like the retired cop more than Karen. I don't
think I'm gonna like McDermot or whatever more than Foggy.
So it just feels like, was it like a money
issue where these people wanted like, hey, like we want
to come back as full characters, Like, well, we all
want to do this, So that to me is a
huge disappointment for the show so far.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's a that's a good criticism, I think,
I guess for me, I really just got to wait
and see, like what these characters evolve with and what
their actual story and backstory is and the things they
get up to, because maybe we'll take a turn there.
So far, don't really have an issue with it because
they seem like kind of minor characters in there. But yeah,
they'd definitely be in every episode. They'll always have some
subplot tied to them too, So good point, like why
are we introducing new people when we already had people
in those same shoes Other than like obviously you need
a huge inciting event to kick Matt into this new era.
Where he's ready to kill people and all that sort
of stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we'll get there. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I feel like for me, like having the opening go
that way where Foggy just gets marked by my least
favorite villains. Yes, that's ever been in the MC. It
just felt like, no, that's hyperbolic. It just felt like
the most rushed way to just separate last season to
this season. And to me, it's like, honestly, have Foggy
died between shows, Like, just just just have the start
of this show, like literally the opening of like Kingpin
walking in on Vanessa, Like I just feel like that
would honestly.
Speaker 2: Lift it up for me because they showed it to me.
Speaker 6: They showed the three of them walking together, and I'm like,
oh man, we're doing it, like like we're doing the
show again.
Speaker 2: This is awesome. We're gonna have these characters.
Speaker 3: Maria Hill in Secret Invasion, didn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly and a big theory smile.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's why trying and say nonspoys if you're a
big fan that because they've been preving like all the
gangs back. Yeah I was back, and it's like, no,
they're not, They're not actually back. Because one's dead and
one moved away. So it's like that's why I feel
like it's kind of a ploy to advertise it as
like all this history.
Speaker 2: You know, and like the fact that it just happened
that fast.
Speaker 6: It's just like I feel like I've there's gonna be
many people that are gonna be sour about that. And yes,
it is Daredevil's show, but I feel like the original
Netflix show, like it's pretty much I mean, Foggy was
always the third but like Karen was such a big
part of that. Like you already mentioned Travis, like this
new Cherry character, like he's just kind of filling it
in that role. So yeah, it's just it's almost egregious
to even show it at the start of the show,
like I would have rather than just not even be
a part of it. Like like Foggy, Okay, he died,
we can have him still dead. Karen moved away because
of that, and that's just the start of the show,
Like we don't have to have them in here. I'm
hoping that Karen comes back in a more meaningful way,
but honestly, I don't. I don't see it till season two.
I don't think we're going to see her again this season.
Speaker 1: And kirkct you said, worse mcu character film like our bend.
Speaker 6: I said, you know, I like to be extreme sometimes
with my hyperbolize, but so did you.
Speaker 1: Did you not enjoy the fight then either that we
got that pursued for It was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: It was pretty cool.
Speaker 6: It felt it felt different than Netflix for sure, like
just the wider shot, it just felt like they were
I don't know, hiding maybe lack of choreography extreme. Yeah, no,
it's it's the lightning looked really cool and like a
big positive. I will see the show, I will say,
I will say the show. I will say for the
show overall, I feel like the sound design is.
Speaker 2: Like up another level.
Speaker 6: Like I always thought it was really cool when we'd
hear from Matt's perspective of like little things, but I
just felt in these first two episodes it's just like
they had a multiplier on it, and I'm like, holy crap,
like this is like modern audio, dude.
Speaker 4: My subwhiffer with Foggy's heartbeat was going crazy.
Speaker 3: It was quite immersive.
Speaker 6: I had goosebumps like it was so well done and
and throughout the two the two episodes I thought it
was phenomenal. Every time we would go to Matt's perspective,
whether he's following the cop in episode two, just the
footsteps like it. It just seems like it is another
level on something that I already thought was such a
cool thing to have in the show. So definitely, there's
there's positives in this for sure, But you know, I'm
just just getting out of the way with this opening
because this was just so rough for me, and to
have it starting that's when I'm like, oh man, weekly
episodes of this, Like I don't know what's going on.
But uh, yeah, it was a long opening for sure.
I mean we got the credit seventeen minutes and that
kind of threw me off, just just just to see
where it was.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I think it was. I really enjoyed
that whole sequence. I think you know, they're trying to
bridge the gap between a K this is something new,
it's been a long time. Presumably a lot of the
people making this are very different than the people are
making that last one, but they still want to pay
homage to what that was, and that's why you bring
back those characters, even if Foggy only gets a few minutes,
and that's why you bring back someone like Bullseye for
that opening that classic MCU everything needs a fight in
the first ten minutes, Like every single movie has that
same structure, right, and so you bring back a character
that was in those like a legacy character from those shows.
Speaker 3: And then I think even the same thing. It's like,
this wasn't there.
Speaker 4: There was a whole way involved in this, and it
wasn't necessarily that same hallway scene that we've seen before,
but it was that same sort of idea of like,
let's do one long, continuous take, and of course there's
different ways they cheat that and break that shot throughout it.
Speaker 3: But I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 4: I loved seeing the once again when made me feel
more realistic than like other MCU action fights, is like,
oh yeah, they just need to take a few seconds
to just fucking.
Speaker 3: Breathe and like catch their breath.
Speaker 4: In the middle of this fight, there's like that desperation
of like, oh, yeah, these are just two guys, and
yes they can throw cue balls and bounce it off
the wall and headshot people, and yes you can like
hear people through walls and stuff, like they're not regular
human beings. But still like compared to other superheroes who have,
you know, extended stamina and regenerated techniques, like these guys
are a little bit more realistic in that way. And
so I really enjoyed that sequence and just like them
slowly chipping away to each other as they go up
the steps, and as you mentioned, Taylor, just like all
the ives sticking.
Speaker 3: Out of Matt by the end of it. I really
enjoyed that.
Speaker 4: I think the only thing that is a little bit
off is like this, you know, it's funny Travis and
the predictions you were like, I want Matt to like
fly around more, I want to be more agile, and
he is, but then it like the CGI on that
doesn't look amazing in my opinion, when he's doing all
his crazy Spider Man type moves. But for the most part,
I really enjoyed this fight scene. I thought it was
just a lot of fun in terms of the set
piece of it and like the props and all that.
I just I had a really great time with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and see that's where I'm fun because yeah, like
the trouble happens and then he becomes daredevil. I'm fine
with the CGI Like actually, like I don't want any
CGI to look iffy, but like, if I have to
him flying around using the batons to swing, I get
that might not look the smoothest. For me, it's like
when Daredevil and Bulls are in the bar, they're fighting
and they go from looking like people to like very
slimy and sticky, and it's I don't think their CGI,
but I think there's so much around them, different people
smoke the background that CGI that it just doesn't look
natural anymore. So for me, that was always the fun
thing with the old Netflix one takes was Okay, obviously
they did trickery, but it's always like, oh, we're gonna
switch like Charlie Cox in the stunt double here, or
we're gonna knock the camera here and then come back
up this. To me, it was just like you can
just put a camera anywhere and like, oh, we're using
trickery because it's like computer animation like trickery. It's like, oh, well,
like if you just throw like fake smoke up there,
it just for me it lost all of the kind
of magic that had to the point where I'm like,
I hope they never do this again. If you can't
do it the right way, I don't want that. In concept.
I like the fight, like everything from fighting all the
way from the bottom to the roof of Josis. I
like the idea just bulls are just killing people at
any chance. He takes like knives whatever, he's just like
a psychopath. I loved the hearing the heartbeat throughout the fight, like, Okay,
it's getting slower and slower the roof. Even though the
buildings look a little like again and Netflix stair double
the real buildings here, it's clearly like a backdrop sound
stage or just the volume whatever. It may be one
of these things where they're just missing some authenticness to it.
But no, it's great and I bought like again daredablel
is similar to like a Batman character where he doesn't
kill people, but in this moment I could buy it
because he's so upset and he pushes him and they
kind of get to do a cheat right where he
killed them. But like apparently Bollseye has like resurrection powers now.
But still in my opinion, it's like, no, he tried
to kill a guy and he crossed that line. Even
says that later on the episode, Right, So I thought
it was a great opening. Like I said, I'm bummed
that we're doing the whole I don't want to be
Daredevil thing again. We did that in Defenders, we did
that in Dared Devil season three, and I just because
I guarantee you, like maybe Kirkland Taylor might remember. I
just watched as well, but I don't remember any point.
Like Kay, he has the Man in Black costume, he
takes down Fisk. They talk about reopening, you know, like
a new law agency, blah blah blah. But like the
show doesn't end with like Matt in the costume against
standing over New York or anything like that. Like they
never say that he's gonna go back to being Daredevil.
I recall, right, it's just kind of like they took
down Fisk. So to me, it's like I felt like
they almost did the fog or whatever it's opening be like, well,
we got to do a way to like make it
so he's not Daredevil again. But the old show never
said he was darreblin so you could just say, hey,
since then, he actually hasn't been Daredevil. Oh no, because
fuck the MCU, because he's been Daredevil and she Hulk
and Spider Man. Fuck I forgot. It's the same way
as like I hate that there's a subplot with like
Kingpin's Eye from like like Echoing Hawk. I'm like, right,
we have to deal with this baggage that they got
Shaw on the head and that doesn't work, so right,
that's why they have to do that. But it's just
that's what's frustrating to me. It's just it's kind of
a boring route. It's we've done this before, and I
just feel like, this is your first time back in
seven years. I wonder what coxs me and stuff about,
like what do you got for me? It's like, well,
it's the same story again, but it's a little bit
different because it's time Foggy Dow and same thing. It's
like he's gonna go like we all know he's gonna
go on, He's gonna become Daredevil. He's still crossed that
line fall, he's still dead, nothing's changed, so just be Daredevil.
But no, we got still three more episodes of him
being Matt and you know Netflix shows obsessed.
Speaker 3: With Darvil I see.
Speaker 4: I feel like by the end of this episode, we're
already at that point.
Speaker 1: I mean in the costume though, I don't think he'll
be in the caution for a little bit. I think,
like probably, so what it's a it's nine episodes, I'd
say maybe episode for the earliest. I think he's gonna
be doing a lot of Matt fighting. I think you
can You're gonna punish it in there for some sequences.
I don't think he's getting the cash back. I think
he just had to fight out of necessity because they're
gonna kill him, right. But I didn't take that as
like I'm getting the suit on it's gonna propel him
a little. But I think just like the original show,
and I just didn't need it again. It's it's the
exact same storyline we've done on many so it just
feels like like Matt Murdoch is just like such a
cock tease, you know, just like I'm not gonna do it.
I'm not gonna be dead of him anymore, trust me,
you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I think I guess I have
less issue with that because I yeah, Well, to me,
whether or not he gets the suit on next episode
doesn't really matter. I feel like we've already kicked back
to the point that where like he's Vigilantimo. That's kind
of what I'm more concerned about, and the fact that
they intentionally bundled these two episodes to make that, just
like the Act one, I think is a is a
good call, and I think it was like a really
great call to skip one year later, right, and like,
sure there could be some good stuff in there, and
we could always do flashbacks, I guess, And I mean,
I want to say that it would be fun to
see some of the Matt and like Karen stuff, but
it sounds like they just weren't talking to each other
and that's why their relationship withered and is where it's at.
So maybe there's nothing to show there anyway, But I
think like that could have been if that was like
the first season that we're getting in the second season
was like where we're at now. I think that could
have been a very dry dule show. Of course, with
them just being depressed about their friend's death. So I
think it was a smart move to kind of do
that thing. So I guess if you look at it
that way, like, yeah, he hasn't been Daredevil for a
long time, but we just kind of skip it as
a viewer and get into like the more interesting stuff,
And to me, that makes sense, and especially back to
what you were saying Kirkland, which just like, oh, yeah,
this is a less this is a shorter episode run
than we've had with the show previously, So how are
we gonna go about that? And I think it feels
like they took what could have been four or five
episodes and like crunch it down to one or two
here and then we can get into like the juicy stuff.
So yeah, I think I'm I'm I think I'm pretty
happy with how they set up like that side of
the storyline. I think with the some of the Kingpin
stuff is maybe where I'm more iffy, but I'm pretty.
Speaker 3: Happy with where that stuff set us up.
Speaker 4: With the kind of two in one premiere.
Speaker 1: There any thoughts on that or ray to move on.
Speaker 4: On the intro just how like after like Matt not
being dareduble again?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy we talked about the we talked about
Foggy dying, but yeah, just the intro, any thoughts on
that before we move on one year later.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's close to season three where you know,
something happens. It's like, you know what, I'm no longer
Daredevil and he just ghosts his friends. Continues on for
a little bit and that's that. Of course they skipped
over that with the year, but it just feels like
it's very similar.
Speaker 1: Because Karen said he did ghost her, right, So he did. Yeah,
he did the exact same thing he's done every time,
where he's like.
Speaker 5: That's his classic m oh yeah he ghosts. But yeah,
I mean it's fine. We got the time jump. He's
started up his new firm with I can't remember the
name of the lady, but the lady that was flirting
with Foggy in the bar. So they've got their firm together,
Murdock and something or other.
Speaker 2: But what is it, mcdougie.
Speaker 1: Her name is mcdougie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, McDuffie. I got it wrong. I had a
double check.
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 6: As soon as I said it with so much confidence,
it sounded odd.
Speaker 1: So I had a double CHECKO had a terrible time
and elementary school and then like everybody's spitting at him,
you know.
Speaker 3: Maybe a listener within the last name mcdougie.
Speaker 4: It's a great name, okay.
Speaker 1: It is. We'll give you if you can prove it,
send the idea. I'll give you a free on the
patron right there.
Speaker 3: Don't send him your ID, don't do it?
Speaker 1: Send me everything social in turns number.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, everything going on with with Fisk too.
That was kind of interesting to see how that picks up,
because I mean, at the end of season three, I
thought that it concluded very much in a way that hey,
we're going to get another season because it was so abrupt.
It's just like it's like, I want to say goodbye
to my wife, and then he was thrown in the
cop car.
Speaker 3: He couldn't say goodbye, and it's like.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's it, and then we get on because another dude, so, well,
that's right Andy, Like god damn.
Speaker 1: Like that's why your name was Andy Forgot.
Speaker 3: And I know about Andy. He's like, don't kill him.
Speaker 6: And he's getting foggy.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that when they showed uh Fisk in
his mayor's office and you see his knuckles like.
Speaker 1: Knuckles were bloody, fucked and oh yeah, no, I.
Speaker 2: Was looking for the credits or the subtitles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they only panned over it a little bit, but yeah,
his all his right hand was all bloody, like the
knuckles are all bruised and everything. So Andy's gone, It's
gonna be like, well, well, he's already long. Episode two,
he tells, first episode, I'm not gonna do anything. Episode
two he's like, hey, this is your secret son. Like
he's already back to his old dides. Like it didn't
and that's probably because again reduced episode. But it's like,
not even twenty minutes later, he's like beating this guy
to death. Probably he's what is it blackmailing the police down?
Like he's already back to Kingpin, you know.
Speaker 5: And that's the poetic aspect of this, I think, because
the they're trying to keep it insynchronized with Daredevil, right,
He's back to his ways, and it's just going to
be that, oh, we're on we've come up and we're
in different parts now, different places, and they're just reverting
back to their old ways. It's the way they're gonna
unravel this story.
Speaker 3: Which is fine.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's gonna be fun to see whether
or not Kingpin went into this thinking he was changed
and thinking he was going to be a better man
for it, or did he go into this role because
he has a larger game plan and something kind of.
Speaker 3: In the works.
Speaker 5: And to be honest, I like this Kingpin more because
I like that okay, Vanessa fisk Is like, hey, I've
got this colored proof.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I like I'm watching I just think that.
Speaker 5: This this uh, this crime Seneca that's been set up
by Vanessa, and I'm having the money and everything that's bulletproof,
no gray area. And so you have Fisk, which it
feels like a Fisk is He's still very, very powerful,
but he still has a certain amount of limitation.
Speaker 3: With what he's accessible to and he's doing.
Speaker 5: It's not just like season three where it's like, uh,
they get an agent deem on his side, then boom,
it's got like half the fucking FBI in the United States.
Speaker 1: But no, that's not how it went. He had those
people before he had a deem. You do you in
your revisionist history of season.
Speaker 3: Three, That's what I said. That's what I said.
Speaker 5: No, because he got they got a deem and then
it's like, oh revealed, Oh he's got half the fucking
FBI working for him, and it's like this is just
way over the top.
Speaker 1: Taylor thought Kingpin was working on a two year plan.
His plan was over the top. The man spent over
seven hundred days on a plan, like, oh, I don't
know where the backstory is seven hundred days of working
on this plan and who knows. That's what I'm curious with,
not to argue aout season three, I'm curious with this.
I hope we get an answer of was he trying
to do good or was he not? Because from all
we've seen of Kingpin and the MCU, hawke Gy and Echo,
he's just still bad guy. Right, So if it's not
revealed that he has a master bad plan, if you
want to do good, why, Like all we've seen of
him so far, we haven't seen like a reason of
why he'd want to turn good. It wasn't like he
got back to New York and saw something. He just
got back to New York. He's like, I don't want
to be mayor because they want to do go for
the city. It's like, okay, why so I'm I'm waiting
to see on that storyline.
Speaker 3: So and when did he get out of prison? Do
we know like.
Speaker 1: When season three?
Speaker 3: No, because the season three was going he's.
Speaker 1: Going, I mean like since that from that point right.
Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, he's out.
Speaker 5: He got his twenty five K signatures.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's tough because they say there, I don't know
when it was. They said there was five years like
obviously some in real life, but five years in between
the show, So I don't know if they mean like
it was five years and then we jumped a year,
so it's actually six years. But even then, let's just
say it's five. At some point in those five years
he got out and then he was after El Nore
an Echo and all that, and then he got shot.
So like a lot of stuff has happened in that time,
So I don't know how he uh, how he didn't
get out, but you know Kimpin always finds a way, like, uh, he.
Speaker 2: Runs all the prisons in the country, so he's prison.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had another two year plan.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So my last question here then with with king pinna
I believe him. He didn't obviously deal with Dexter and
point Dexter doing his own thing? Was that a Vanessa thing?
Do you think or like, was it just him doing
he was just pissed off? Because I don't know if
correct me if I'm wrong, did dex ever know that
Murdoch was Daredevil?
Speaker 1: They actually didn't interact that much at all. They thought
this tice and that was it.
Speaker 5: So this attack, this attack, to me, I don't think
it was set up to lure Daredevil away from Foggy.
It was just at the end of the day, it
was just the guy was being questioned of where Foggy's
location was, and he told Bullsy where Foggy was. So
this seems like a vendetta just to go fuck Foggy up, right.
Speaker 1: But and it feels weird because like in season three,
like Foggy is like that, not after point Dexter, like
like his name hats revealed, but it's them after King Fits.
It's just like Dexter was mad at like any lawyer
who was like in the vicinity. So it didn't make
much sense. I'm glad that they made the reason Matt
give up Daredevil is because killed somebody. At first I
thought was like, oh, I got Foggy killed. It's like, well, no,
like even then he asked him why and bolls, they
didn't even say anything. He just kind of laughed at him.
So I don't know. And that's where that feels like again,
that feels like a rewrite. Add on, I'm like, well,
let's just get Bullseye in here, and people love that
and it's a cool fight and get to the.
Speaker 6: Fact he's still alive. Makes me hope that we'll get
an explanation for that, because yeah, it didn't make sense
at all unless he's just really trying to fuck with
Karen out of everyone, right, because he he did interact
with Karen, you know, good to.
Speaker 3: See you again.
Speaker 5: How was his white whale right in season three?
Speaker 3: You should never get her.
Speaker 2: He gained Karen in that moment, then he got foggy
and he's like, fuck. You can't guess.
Speaker 1: He's still trying to impress Fisk after all this stuff.
But yeah, and that was the disappointing that he didn't
even talk in the trial. He was just very quiet.
Give it to Wilson Bithel.
Speaker 3: No comment or what no comment?
Speaker 2: Yourner?
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry he did I guess he talked and he
said somewheres we like he said nothing, no, but shout
to with Wilson bithels looking fucking Jack, I said, definitely
like his neck. He looks like he could just crunched
aired all up with that like he's looking Jack. So yeah,
he I really hope he's back, but I worry it's
the same thing as Karen foggy, where he's gone like eh, yeah,
maybe in the future will bring him back, but he's
just in jail somewhere working on his two year plan,
you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I found it funny that they're like multiple
times in this episode or both these episodes, they're like,
we're not in Hell's kitchen anymore. We're in his new
part of New York. That's like how they justify all
these changes, Like, I guess New York's big.
Speaker 3: I've never been there.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know if it's that big that we
can really justify, just like all these changes happening across
just I don't know, half an hour away or something.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dylan, you said, because we're kind of talking about
what were your issues with Fisk. Now he's back, he's here,
he's Mayor. I was surprised he won Mayor episode one.
I thought that's gonna maybe be a little longer, which
is fine. I'm not complaining, but I was like just surprised.
It ended with Oh, here we go. But yeah, how
you feel about Fisks so far?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I really have issues necessarily.
Speaker 4: I just I just don't think I'm as intrigued by
the storyline. Thus, I think maybe maybe it's more so
with like some of the side characters, I just feel
like some of them are a little too cheesy for
my liking, like his the kind of like in cell,
like younger guy who's like, oh, this guy knows what
the what the kids want, so he'll be like our
I don't know, yeah, our delegate for the young kids
or something like that. So we'll see what happens with
all that stuff. I think that the section that I
did really enjoy, I mean one like the diner chat
I thought was really great. Of course that was teed
up in the in the trailers there, but I thought
that was really fantastic, just like the way it started
and they were actually kind of jovial or getting along
to some extent, but then the way it just kind
of fizzled out of there, and how I love how
much Matt was holding back and not really giving too
much information, but just like little notes like commenting that
he knew about like the whole Echo thing, and obviously
he was in that show too, but yeah, getting just
like little notes like that, and then when it kind
of gets to the point of them really just declaring
war on each other but without saying it, I thought
it was really engaged. The sub whole sequence was good,
and then I like this stuff with the commissioner, Like
there was only the two scenes.
Speaker 3: There, but I thought that was one.
Speaker 4: I really like, just having someone like stand up to him,
like at the at the funeral there, but then when
we get back to the office, and then with the
kind of blackmail there and the way it was just
such a personal attack, I thought was just really great writing,
really good like kind of subtle acting I guess from
Dona Frio there, So that there's parts of it I'm
enjoying for sure, but I just got to get further
in and see where this goes, because I think what
you were saying tracks of just like how obvious they're
being with the comparison point here and the commentary they're
trying to make. Like I guess I'm in that boat
of like I don't know if I really need this,
Like I maybe want like a slightly more nuanced take,
and I don't if we're going to get that. So
we'll just have to wait and see, especially if it's
already you know, if there's only seven more episodes and
already two deep.
Speaker 1: You know, just the verbiage I feel like is literally
what is happening with the Trump stuff? Right, Whether you
like it or not, it's just like it's literal quotes
that Pell said and they're saying it there. I'm fine
with it because I I've said this before. I remember
reading comics back in the day and Lex Luthor be
president or Fistical me may or I like, oh, that's
not really unbelievable, like who would vote for this guy?
And then I'm like, Okay, well, now we actually live
in this world, so it is kind of timely, so
I get that, but yeah, you're right with the diner scene.
One of my favorite scenes in film history is heat
when al Pacino the cops sits down with to narrow
the bank robber. They know each other's after each other,
and it's just like a ten minute conversation and there's
just all this just kind of they're relating, but it's like,
I gotta take you down. I'm gonna take you down.
And that's what this was. This week got the benefit
of there's three seasons worth of history there, and no,
I thought it was great. I think they went through
all the layers. I thought everyone was just fantastic here,
and yeah, this is like to me, so far like
a bullet of the We don't have many MCU projects,
but next year golden geeks like this is that was
a great way to start up. So and that's why
me and the show has some things that I think
are outstanding. And that whole scene and I liked that
it wasn't just like a two minute oh you're back
on back watch, I'm gonna get you, I'll get you.
It was a nice extended talking about everything. Kingpin felt
like somewhat like sympathetic towards foggy passingway. Like he didn't
say in like a face rubbing way. He just said, oh,
after a tragedy that changes a man and stuff, And
even when he just called me, oh, Murdoch and he
hits his hand on the table like he sees like
a little like he's waiting to pop out there and
you'd love to see that old Kingpin but not yet.
But yeah, I'm I'm curious what's gonna happen and uh,
just a fantastic scene. And so far, I'm like, in
all this stuff, the mayor stuff has to be rushed.
I am curious of how far we get into him
being like bad again, because there is a thing of like,
what can you do a fisk if he is just
trying to be a good mayor, right, like, that could
just be a kind of boring show at times. You
want to see him, like he said already an episode two,
he's blackmailing people. I absolutely love the niece of Yuruk
being in here. That's such a nice little touch. And man,
I hope some way, one way or another, she takes
him down or does do some damage, because you know,
he fucking destroyed Ben Yurick's neck and head in season one,
So it's it's great. That's what I's gonna ask you, guys,
do you think she knows like obviously wouldn't. No, no,
But do you think that she knows the scuttle bit
of fis is the one that killed them? Or do
you think that's something that she's gonna discover? Taylor shake
your head, No, you think.
Speaker 5: She'll she'll discover, She'll discover. And you know, this is
something I wish we had more Karen Page kind of
popping in here with because her and Ben had such
a rich kind of dynamic together, right and in that
season going and exploring into fisks origins. So I think
it's really a damn shame that she's not around to
kind of meet with her, and yeah, just kind of
like build up that narrative little bit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I ultimately I.
Speaker 5: Don't think she knows, because if she knew, I think
she wouldn't have had that meeting with Fisk. Or if
she does know, she played that immensely cool. And I'm
curious what that question was that she was going to
pitch to Fisk about Vanessa.
Speaker 3: She's like, I heard about it, Andy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So I think I'm excited to see where
her story goes.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Ben Yerk, I feel like with such a pivotable, pivotable,
pivotal uh just character for Karen's journey, like like even
when she's working with Uh, like Ben's boss, like later on,
like they always just kind of like refer or like
he mentions that you see is Ben Ben's aspects in her,
like when you know she's just hungry for getting the
true story out there and everything and just the whole
reckless investigative nature that she has. So the fact that
she's not in the show and we're getting Ben Yurick's
niece is just like man like, fuck guys, like we
had her we had her there, like, just give her
some more money if that was the dispute.
Speaker 1: Like, what is Ben Yerick's niece doing. She's doing journalism?
What did Karen Page do for two and a half seasons?
She was a fucking journalist?
Speaker 5: She all about though when she was working with the
didn't even change Ben's office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the setups right there. Of ye, what had she
been doing the past year? Well she left, you know,
We'renock and Nelson. She's back to being a journalist and
she met up with that. Maybe that would play into
the like fisk, she would know about fiscal because I
feel like Karen right would be like, hey, your uncle
he got snatched up. But again, maybe maybe wrong, maybe
hopefully that's the way that you could intertwine them right
as far as a way where like Matt meets the
little Yurick or whatever, and think maybe that's the way
where I'm hoping in episode four or five they meet
and that's how Karen is in for the back half.
So that's again we're only in episode two. So I'm
I'm gonna hold weight. I'm gonna feel like she does
know because I just feel like I don't know. I
feel like she is playing coy on purpose and trying
to get in there, and I don't really know what it.
I guess fits got that information about the the the
cop retiring or the commissioner retiring. I don't know what
she got out of it, really. And then just like
I don't know, get to meet Fist, but it felt
like a scratch my back, scratch yours and she didn't
really get anything like, not even like an interview with him.
It was just hey, that commission's retiring and the cops
are gonna hate you, and you know, look out because
they control the cops. So, Kirk, I want to ask you,
how do you feel about the Vanessa stuff, because that
was a big hang up for you in the retrospect.
We're now we're in a situition where okay, so Fisk
came back, but you don't know the last time they spoke.
I think she said like something like a year or
something like that. So I guess I don't know why
he gets shot. And he said, oh I couldn't talk
to you, Vanessa. I don't know why why you couldn't
just still keep in contact text Vanessa, Like, I don't
know if I get shot, I'm getting like super crazy
superhero surgery. I'll still text Aiment Bank. Yeah, I was
coming back, like I can see a little bit better.
So it just feels like it's drama for the sake
of drama. But they set up that while he was gone,
Vanessa is running everything, running it very well. He again
we don't know why, wants to be legitimate. So he's
gonna run for mayor, and there's there's just a weird
you know, funk in the air. They do revealed the
end episode one she was having an affair with you
know Andy, as mentioned. Don't know how the public doesn't know,
Like she was still running like crimical criminal stuff, So
I don't know how Fis was like cleared of all this,
Like everyone knows what Fis was doing. And when like
she's like, oh, I'm running a very uh you know,
special type of business, it's like, why are you being so.
Speaker 6: Mentioned to fist that she made a bulletproof you know,
it's a nice, nice.
Speaker 2: Easy way to just the sure, yeah all this business bulletproof.
Speaker 3: But she cut the fat and added more muscle.
Speaker 1: As she did. But now they're in therapy with who
will talk about air? Matt's new girlfriends so they got
therapy going on. So how do you feel of this?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, for me, like Vanessa was just such
a meme throughout the whole Daredevil show because that was
just that was just Wilson's kryptonite, Like like it seems
like no matter what if Vanessa was there, like he's
just not thinking straight, or he's just like compromising his
own criminal mastermind or just trying to I don't know,
just just trying to appease to Vanessa's and I really
didn't love that quality at all to fists.
Speaker 2: So I'm actually really intrigued by this.
Speaker 6: On hoping that he he gets through the h the
puppy dog euyes when it comes to Vanessa. I'm hoping
that by the end of this he actually is more
against her, because I feel like she is gonna like
they're doing therapy, but there's just something that the way
that his entrance to that meeting went and just her
kind of like cold shoulder towards him has been from
the start of this show. I feel like she still
thinks that maybe everything was better without him in it,
which is interesting because I don't feel like that was
really like a big quality of hers from the original
Daredevil show and the other and I think like there
might be you could argue there is glimpses to it,
like when she just starts to like I want to
be more involved in your business and like know everything,
and and then she starts making moves like especially like
around Poindexter and just just stuff around there, like it
seems like she is making calls without like asking Wilson.
So there is glimpses to it, but it's just so
it's just such a jump I think to go from
that to this and again to play Devil's Advocate to myself,
like there's five years there that like a lot can
happen between that if you never see this guy for
I guess just one year a little bit less of
him Andy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure there's multiple right, No, he's already.
Speaker 1: Moss at the table or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Well, tracksuit guy was given like they can't focus in
the camera on him, so I'd have to see.
Speaker 3: I have to go back and visit what.
Speaker 5: They were calling each other at the table and see
if maybe when Andy's there.
Speaker 1: I hope Vanessa finds Andy the same way point and
Dexter found whatever her name was, Helen or Razer somewhere
and she just put him in the car. Yeah, oh man,
but uh yeah, I I I don't think they're gonna
They're not gonna make it, and I'm not gonna say
physically any kill her, but I would not be surprised
if we go down this route, to be honest, because
then what is what happens when you got to Wilson Fisk,
who's a criminal again, and there's no Vanessa. There's nothing
to hang over his head. There's not that oh, we can.
Speaker 6: Always get her, because we haven't had that thing throughout
the whole Dexter Show or Daredevil show.
Speaker 2: Dexter too got point Dexter in my mind.
Speaker 6: But like in season one, you get like a little
bit I can't remember how many episodes it is before
Vanessa gets introduced, but like there's a little glimpse there
of just that like criminal mastermind, king pin type guy
who's not just swooning over Vanessa in her art.
Speaker 1: And funny enough, I think the first time you see
Kingpin though, it's when he's with Vanessa. He's like looking
at an art or something, so like there you get
episodes of his voice without her, without that, But even
then he's not with her, but no, I think you
might get what you want to because also remember another
weird situation that she wasn't even playing Vanessa when they
started this show like Born Again, and then they reshot
and they recast and they brought the original actress back.
So that makes me wonder, like how much was Vanessa
really a part of that original cut? And that's why
I wonder if Vanessa's time is not gonna be long
with us, because I was like, well, yeah, I bring
her back because we're just gonna kill her off and
make the Netflix fans happy. But you know, or maybe
she tries to sell him out. I don't know. I
feel like that's gonna be a tipping point to Kingpin
again getting maybe even worse than that. And super Mic is, yes,
he brought this up in our discord, but but we
still know how Kingpin got out of prison season three.
I just take it as he's Kingpin. Something always happens.
I did mention to Mike that, like we kind of
disagreed on the wording of it, but said that if
he ever told the world that he was dared Devil
or went after Karen or Foggy, then he would put
Vanessa in prison, but that to me was the promise,
and technically that's why Kington said, like, well, I had
nothing to do with Foggy dying. So technically I think
Kingpin has kept his word that he didn't hurt those
two and he hasn't told the world who Matt is,
you know. But at this point it's like, Matt, you know,
maybe Vanessa's has got to go to prison still, but
let's take an ad break and we'll keep talking about this.
We'll be right back, and we are back. So who
is some of the thoughts on Vanessa and the therapy
that stuff, or not at all? We can move on.
Speaker 4: I would love to hear what Taylor's like theory was
with the audio with the sub titles.
Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah, so so the scene was Kirsten set
up Matt on a date right with their the therapist.
Speaker 3: I can't rememberists name, but they're.
Speaker 5: Talking and they're at the coffee shop and then.
Speaker 3: She's about to leave.
Speaker 5: He's also down to down and she's they they haven't
share a laugh, and then she's like, so where did
you go to school? And then the music the sound
faded out here, but the caption says and matt'said. Matt's
response was Exaviers. I was like, what, No, that's what
it says in the close caption.
Speaker 1: I kid you, yeah, I know, but like he's not
what he said. Okay, yes, sure he went to But
what you're asking is, no, I don't think he was
pound around the X men or the mutes at any
point in this MCU Like, he's not a mutant, so
he wouldn't. Why would they say Xaviers though New York?
Speaker 5: Like when I googled where he went to school in
that like the Netflix show that he'd labeled, it's labeled clearly,
Like I think he was like Harvard or whatever, Columbia.
Speaker 1: I think I thought it would say Harvard or something.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's just it's weird why they would change that.
Speaker 6: Maybe you go Taylor Xavier High School is a Catholic
high school in New York, just as.
Speaker 3: I said high school, right, it was the who is
the owner?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, that's the other thing. I'll be interested, Yeah,
good pool, good job. I'll be interested in other episodes
because the only thing he did here was I guess
with fits. He talked about, you know, how he was
raised and men forgiving men maybe other people, and he's
standing outside that church but very non religious Matt Murdoch
we got going on. And I'm not a religious person,
but that is kind of the deal with Matt, Like
you need that in there. So I'm hoping that comes
back later on because it kind of feels weird, and
I wonder if that's the one thing they're gonna be like,
we don't want to really touch on that. We'll do
the present thing, We'll do the police brutality thing, but.
Speaker 5: Religious in his sweet's really dark.
Speaker 1: But it just felt like each season has always started
with like him and a church, him with a past or,
him being saved by his mother, the priest or the nun.
Like it's the very religious heavy and this is like
that's gone, I guess, so.
Speaker 5: We'll see, Well he doesn't have anyone really pulling him
into that path of religion because his mom, father, God
himself in here.
Speaker 3: Xavier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to because remember season three ends
of like hey, if I ever need some guidance, She's like, well,
you know where to find me. That was a clear
setup to like, oh she's that character. Now she's the
religious character you can go talk to and have your
issues about God and Satan, hell and justice of vengeance,
but they did. They remember, they don't want to do
a lot of that conversations in the show, so that's
probably why it's gone. It's too much for them, so.
Speaker 3: Their bummer.
Speaker 6: I had a couple of things to mention more on
Fisk in a positive light, because I was pretty negative
on him back in season three, But even just his
like introduction to that meeting, I thought they just again
sound design was phenomenal. I think theyre just did such
a good job at just having like some thick tension
in the air, coming in looking.
Speaker 2: Like a slim gym.
Speaker 6: You know, he's he's lost some fat, he's looking all shredded,
but like just the way that no one really said anything,
and just I thought that was a really good showcase
of that power the Kingpin always exudes and the way
that I always thought he exuded it. And then going
through the Daredevil show, I lost some respect for him,
you know, just being a Vanessa simp.
Speaker 2: But hopefully we're getting out of that now.
Speaker 6: And then you already mentioned the diner scene, but yeah,
that was like quick in the trailer was it just
mentioned like he's Mayor and he knows that he's Daredevil,
because when I watched that, I didn't know that he
knew that he was Daredevil yet, Like I wasn't there
in the original show. So that's the only part I
really remember from the trailer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so. I think they're just talking,
like they just showed some of the threatening things and everything, like, yeah,
we're different type of men, aren't we. You know.
Speaker 2: I was really just impressed though with that scene overall.
Speaker 6: I think I don't know, I should have had high
expectations for that, just because they're two really powerful, you know,
big characters, great actors and everything, but man, like it
it blew my mind. I think this was the point
of the first episode when I just was really, oh, yeah,
this show is going to be something special if we
have these two being the focal points. Like I was
expecting to it to be a lot more aggressive, but
I was impressed that they're almost just like looking back
on like the trials that they've gone through together and
just they're both like grown now.
Speaker 2: They're not really because.
Speaker 6: Matt's going to be Daredevil again, Kankin's are going to
be back to crime. But in that moment they're able
to just be like, yeah, you know, we're turning over
a new leaf. So I think I was just really
impressed with how the dialogue went, because it's not how
I thought it was going to go at all, judging
by the trailers and just judging by the past.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it surprised me there, and.
Speaker 1: I kind of liked what I forgot to touch on.
I like that Kingpin. Each season we have somebody stick
in season one, Electra and Punisher in season two not
really Defenders, but then season three you have Matt himself
because he's like should I kill Kingkins? Butter for New York,
you always have some character trying to push him. And
at the end that conversation, Beaus say, oh, it felt
good on that rooftop, didn't it, just to just release
everything on point decks, just like he's like trying to
tell him, like, yeah, it's s feel good to kill people,
right like, because Kingpin used to it all the time,
so Matt doesn't admit to it. But that's a tough
thing that there's always a character trying to pull Matt
over that line, and this time it's it's funny, it's
never been Kingpin but this time he is, and that's
why I will be curious of Kingpin now that he's
gonna make I don't know, it's kind of like Civil
War two where it's like the Cecobea Accords, like any vigilantes,
you know, look out. But when he does become Matt
mur or Daredevil, like he knows where to find Like
he has the answer for that one he talks about
a kid dressed as a spider. He has it right now.
He doesn't even know who Peter Parker is, but like
he knows who Daredevil is. Like, I feel like that's
an easy fucking warrant to draw up. So that's why
it's gonna be interesting. Okay, what does Daredevil get over him?
Or is a situation where they're gonna have to work
together where there or Kingpin will have to like have
Daredevil out there because X Y and Z. Maybe it's Vanessa.
Maybe Vanessa gets so bad that he can't take her down,
but he wants someone to take her down, and that's
where Daredevil comes in. I don't I don't mind the
heroes and villains working together.
Speaker 2: You know, sweaming in that'll be your name, queen.
Speaker 5: Hell Yeah, Daredevil to me, is crossed the line already
in this in this season, because I mean, he didn't know,
he did not know bulls Eye would survive. Knock him
off that building he fucking sent him.
Speaker 3: He wanted that. That was him murdering him. And as
far as I'm concerned with these two.
Speaker 5: Cops that he he killed them, they're that guy that
like flipped in, like bent his knees back on the floor.
Speaker 3: He's done, he's done.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're I don't think they're actually dead.
It's like the Arkham Games where they should be dead,
but I I don't think.
Speaker 2: The skull being crushed, so you think they're dead.
Speaker 1: Pizza bet the.
Speaker 3: One guy it would be.
Speaker 5: So we're talking about realism here in the sense I'm
not gonna pizza bet because I'm sure you are probably right,
But like, I can't fathom how that guy he was
smashed into the wall and then the way his neck
bent up and his body went back. Madison covered her
face because like, yeah, he fucking died.
Speaker 1: Happened to Bullseye and then he came right back, you know,
I mean, the top has.
Speaker 3: The juices too. He might have the juice.
Speaker 1: Who knows he's got that tat, you know, So the punish.
Speaker 3: Your tat, which is that?
Speaker 5: Is that why they're like punish your followers.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's where I was gonna say. I didn't
say then the nonsploys. But that's the third, like very
political thing because a couple of years ago Marvel got
rid of the Punisher brand because of real life cops
and people using that logo and Marvel's like, I don't
think we want to be part of this. And then
eventually they did do a storyline of Punisher of finding
cops and fucking them up and being like, hey, you
want a hero, follow that guy and he's supposed to,
Like he's pointing to a picture of Captain America. He's like,
you don't follow me, Like I'm a fucking monster, Like
you're pathetic for idolizing me. And that the second because
me and Chris I have talked about this a long
time ago, of like I don't know if they'll ever
do that story on the show. The second I saw
this tat, I'm like, oh man, they're gonna go there.
So again that's the thing that I'm attributed to show
of loving it. Of that's how I think Frank gets
here is these cops now have taken the I theology
of Punisher, which is a very dangerous thing. And when
Frank finds that out, oh man, I cannot fucking wait,
Like and it sounds bad, but Frank kill these fucking cups,
get rid of them all. Like it's because like, that's
what I love about Frank Castle is such a fucked
up character and be like, don't be like me, you know,
be someone better. And then he'll just go and fucking
murder all the cops and be like, see, don't do
what I'm doing. But he still continues to murder people.
It's not like Matt who kills someone. He's like, oh,
I'm in a mistake. I should never done that. Frank's like, yeah,
I shouldn't do this, and then he'll just like like
you like that, huh? You Like he's just like Frank
Castle is amazing. I fucking love him so much. Like
he's such a He's very much like Dexter where it's
very twisted, like, man, your ideology does mom make any
sense when you really look at it? But yeah, the
second that's what that's setting up a storyline comic book
of He's gonna come back in new work, find these
cops and they.
Speaker 3: Are gonna He's still got a gun for him.
Speaker 1: I hope so. But I think he'll be more on
the cops because I think that's that that's taking his logo,
his ideology, and now it's like the cops right brand.
Speaker 4: He doesn't want people to see them his bran. Yeah,
and I thinks another thing making that comparison, I really
like that, Matt after that sequence and what you know
goes to the credits on the second episode is just
like a Punisher scream, just like a Belly scream. So
I don't know, I feel like that was also kind
of drawing that line a little bit too.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: How he feeling about the White Tiger storyline. I was surprised.
I knew he knew he was in here. I was
surprised that it was episode two already. But the setup
is which I love the setup. This guy's getting beat
the shit in the subway. He goes to stop them.
One gets killed accidentally, and then they want to pulls
a badge. So they set up as like they're muggers,
but they're fucking cops again. They're like Punisher cops. So
it's like perfect scenario, and uh, yeah, I enjoyed all this.
I don't know if they're gonna set up the daughter.
I did say to them, if I ever become a superhero,
I'm not just gonna hide my costume right under the bed.
I thought that was a bit easy for the cop.
Just like he finds the box that go, oh, White Tiger, like,
you don't even have a safe somewhere, like come on.
So I thought, almost like we were talking about before,
some pacing. Stuff's like a lot quicker than usual, But
so far, I'm enjoying the storyline. And Matt kind of
looking at a mirrored version of himself and I like
him just being like, yeah, I got a crime fight
more because Daredevil's gone and a lot of people need help,
so kind of like show me Matt's face, like indirectly
of like maybe I wouldn't be out here so much
if I had some Daredevil hero.
Speaker 5: He's a fucking pussy, Like, yeah, that's it right now.
Speaker 1: It just sounds like it's just White Tiger and Spider
Man in New York.
Speaker 4: So especially because he goes to the route of the
of a trial like he knows and loves when that
gets absolutely nowhere. He's not even given a chance to
make things right there, So I think that is just
another good reason pushing him into the daredevil route.
Speaker 1: Getting beat up every night in the prison too, like
they get a moved at the end of episode two,
but still at that point he's just getting beat up
or worse.
Speaker 6: So yeah, no, I really really like this introduction of
the character because initially I knew we talked about White Tiger.
I did not have White Tiger in my mind at all.
So I just see this passerby going to defend this
guy and like, man, like, what a fucking good guy,
and then get him on Ben.
Speaker 3: And he's like kicking their ass too.
Speaker 6: I'm like, holy shit, this is something like this is
so different that I normally see from these storylines. And
then of course it turns out he's he's a he's
an accustomed crime fighter, and he didn't have his amulance,
you didn't have his power, so he's just going straight
up martial artists on him. And I was really intrigued
by just the setup of of the cops, and I
think I was just expecting it to like, I don't know,
like the guy that they were beating up is like tied.
I'm just so used to it all being around Wilson fist,
so I was just kind of assuming that, but this
is just something different than I was expecting. It's the
same thing with how I was impressed by the dialogue
between Wilson and Matt, like it just it just caught
me off guard. And I mean the opening of episode
one caught me off guard, but not in a good way.
But everything else, it's been a pleasant surprise and he
just seems like like a character that you want to
root for, and it's like his behavior is not out
of the out of the ordinary, like for maybe how
i'd expect that character to kind of react to the
situation that he's in. So yeah, I'm just really impressed
by the introduction of this character and the uh, it's
just how he's gonna be intertwined with with with Matt
going forward.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if they're buddy cops themselves beating
up bad cops later on.
Speaker 1: And RP to the actor because this is like his
last performance. That's he was the one that got like.
Speaker 2: The oh, really, okay, this is his last role.
Speaker 3: So it's a.
Speaker 1: Shame because and I've never actually seen this guy or anything.
But I enjoyed from what I saw from so far.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's too bad. He was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. Is there anything else we haven't touched upon.
We talked about Karen Riick, how we feel so far.
I'm just like on the New Side characters, the cop
and mc dewey. I no, I guess a girlfriend we
didn't even talk about. He got set up a therapist.
There was like a fake blind date sort of thing.
It went from just a date I think an episode two.
They're already having to call each other like hey, I'm
not gonna make it tonight. Like they're moving really fast.
But so far, I like, I don't know. Actually I
like her tied into fit. I like the way they
did that, Like she's a therapist. She ties the Fisk
and Vanessa. That's a way to keep her in the show.
I just don't know if I also need Matt to
have another girlfriend, but I understand why. So I'm in
a wait and see. But actress seems fine so far.
I have no issues with her or anything.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was just gonna say the same thing.
I feel like the way she's positioned between the main
antagonists and the main hero is just yeah, prime territory
for some quadrama. So I'm sure we'll get to that,
even if it takes a few episodes to get there.
Speaker 3: And I think she's cool.
Speaker 4: I like, I think they had dood chemistry together, and
I like that we're getting like a little bit of
distracted Matt, so he's like therefore a little bit awkward,
which is funny to see at times too, especially like
compared to like the kind of guy he was in Sheeholk,
Like this is this is kind of funny going back
to uh, this version of him. So I think it's
a yeah, decent, decent setup. I'm actually excited for that
character now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they had great chemistry as well. That's
all I'll say when I pass them on to Field
here cheers.
Speaker 3: I like their chemistry, and yeah, I think.
Speaker 5: The idea of her being this pillar between the Fisks
and then Matt and just the dynamics gouna fold. I'm
I'm sure there's obviously a lot of confidentiality, but it'll
be interesting to see when Matt finds out like, oh,
your fisks shrink, like, oh.
Speaker 3: Andy, tell me more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the other thing too, is we got
that creepy guy who is like, I need your help,
get ready, get ready something Dexter's younger brother.
Speaker 1: I'll just say that character appeared in the first episode,
but you didn't even see him.
Speaker 3: That's the first episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's Xavier Taylor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's Charles very young. Let's go around. So
the baby the X men are gonna be like fucking middles.
Speaker 3: Can I have another hint?
Speaker 1: I'll mention here he's in the last five minutes.
Speaker 5: I'll say that, and does that like shed light on
his identity if I rewatched those five minutes.
Speaker 1: No, But when you see the show and if you're rewatch, oh,
there he is. It's it's if you've read the Colm book,
you know which character he is. It's that he was
already doing something. I was like, oh, that's what that
character does. So when you watch the show that, I'll
like when we're done or when we get to certain
point and say, oh, remember that thing that happened episode one, like,
oh that's it. So yes, that character will play a
role coming forward. So yeah, well, I don't want to
spoil it. I don't. Okay, here's a character they died
this episode they did this. What I was gonna ask
is does she find out he is Daredevil at all?
And if so, win in the season. If it were
to happen, that's.
Speaker 2: So bad keeping his identities a secret.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm already in the first episode and someone new
found out, right, And I wonder because like he dropped
the helmet, yeah, but then he was still all the roof,
So like I thought that that was gonna be revealed
that like just everyone knows who he is.
Speaker 3: But then.
Speaker 1: Okay, but not Foggy but not cant Foggy is dead.
Speaker 3: He can he can not my mom.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, oh, you can't talk while you're
doing the spell. I can. Won't forget I'm Matt Murdoch
and just like oh god, and then Peter and him
have something to bond over, like no one knows who
I am. No one knows who I am? Oh my god.
Speaker 4: So I think I think they're gonna play a lot
looser with it, I said, I I will say that
she'll find out by episode five.
Speaker 1: I think, for I don't know how we're gonna get
there because the Fist connection. I think somehow Fisk is
gonna be the content to her finding out. I don't
know why if he slips, don't know why if he
does it his way as a fuck you to Matt,
like Matt does something and that's the start of Kingpin
messing with him. It's like, yeah, you go tell your
secret to her who you've been lying to, right, So
that's my prediction. Somehow Fisk is the one that gets
for that information, and I think it will be this season.
I'll be very curious because they still even though they
jumped a year later, they still put those little seeds
of Like I said, Karen and Matt were talking about
going back and doing some stuff together. So that's where
it's like, I feel like you could just you could
literally edit that out. That does not have to be
in that scene. So I feel like they're still trying
to play it that again. I'm team Karen and Punisher,
so I hope that's actually happening, And even the writers
said there's like a little triangle between the three, So
that's what's uh interesting, just a problem with punishers. You
can't date a mass murder. There's thoughts of problems that
come with that. So yeah, she hasn't slept with them yet,
so I'm waiting. I'm waiting for Nat to hear that
going on, and that's great. At one point too, I
want to shout that. I feel like, because it's probably
more Disney ms you what they go with. I feel
like they like opt his amount of powers and the
amount of time we like hear him listen the stuff.
It always happened to Netflix show. By this, I feel
like every ten minutes, so dude's hearing something, looking at something.
And that's not a complaint. I just felt like that
was something that was different from the original show where
that came in key moments, where now it's like he'll
just be walking here like I have TV fifty yards away,
like like Zero's in.
Speaker 4: I really like the visuals of it. I think they
did a good job of showing off totally.
Speaker 6: I didn't mention it, but I actually am a big
fan of him slinging around like Spider Man with his
baton and wand it's it's very it's very what I
remember Daredevil Bean, whether it was like the Spider Man
games like him appearing there or even just like a
comic book strip of him like just swinging around. It's
just so rare in live action and just just and
we kind of already talked about it. But like the
CGI movements, I guess I was actually a fan of
because it's just something that we haven't really seen him
move around with a lot. Your Friendly with Spider Man,
you know that great show, like you just had those
types of movements in it, like flipping around and just
being a lot more agile of a daredevil.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I'm a fan of that bulls.
Speaker 1: I was on the roof and he land behind him.
I was like, oh, then you just see him jump
in the air. So yeah, like I said, I was,
I was all fine with that movement there. I love
more gymnastic dared all because again this guy has still
like Hiden like comic book heightened sense. He's like has
radar in his head. He's not regular blind who just
like skills you know, still stick regular blind.
Speaker 2: What moves like a bat? You know he does?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 6: So yeah, uh fisks lawyer, I think is is that's
his position. I just saw his face here on IMDb.
His character's name is Buck Cashman, and I just thought that.
Speaker 2: Was such a sorry is he the British guy.
Speaker 6: He's the one that got hither to sign like the before. Yeah,
basically the new Wesley.
Speaker 1: I think it's a British guy. Then I think that I.
Speaker 2: Don't remember z accent at all. I just remember the subtitle.
Speaker 1: Is he the guy that went to the book signing
as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah he was the British guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because they got Buck Cashman, great name, that's right there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he is the new He's the new Wesley
and uh uh yeah, see that works out. I also
want to mention too that they first time ever dropped.
They dropped two f bombs in this series, which the
original show never had too. So they're they're len you
drop those fucks, you know.
Speaker 3: So do you think Fisk kills Daniel?
Speaker 1: No? I don't think so. He's Michael Oh yeah, yeah,
I could see it.
Speaker 2: I could see it as well. I don't think it will.
Speaker 3: Good job on your whole filling, mister Fisk. He's gonna
fucking clock up.
Speaker 6: When Fisk goes like full Kingpin. I feel like when
he goes full Kingpin, he's just fucking had enough. Daniel
is just gonna be pissing him off. And yeah, he's
gonna ben yuichim.
Speaker 4: I did. I did think that scene was pretty goofy
when they're in that traffic situation with the thing and
then he like gets out and he's like, ah, come on, boys,
let's get back to work.
Speaker 3: I was like, what is going on here? The people
getting results? Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 6: I just found it so funny that the whole construction
crew was there like as if it like just happened,
and they're like directing traffic. It's like we're waiting for
some red tape, we need some permits. And I'm like,
this is so fucking bizarre. And then yeah, it's just
get fill up this hole.
Speaker 1: Phil, see what I'm doing in America. Look at it.
There's a lot of tape around this.
Speaker 5: Well it's like, for you, Kirk, when you show up
at a house, just wait around for those red tapes.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely not, No, I don't get top of that.
We fill those holes.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be cool and do something like
This was like an MS YOU related attack, not like
something we've seen on screen, but just like, oh, the
Spiderman was finding some guy on the bridge in his hole.
That's what I thought. I thought was like Hulk even
anything like. I thought something like that could have been
a fun reference. But it was just a big asshole
in the ground or something. So I guess, yeah, we
got a couple more of those moments when like he
has to meet the fire chief, so we got got
some more fisk mayor stuff. But I'm being curious if, like,
I kind of hope he's still mayor and just serious
season two. I hope it's not like that was always
my complaint with this because Kay, we meet him season
one in prison, he breaks out season three, back to prison.
I hope it's not he's mayor. He's not mayor anymore
because he did some sady ship, Like I want him
do the shady ship while he's mayor now, you know,
and then he's protected. So I kind of hope that, yeah,
he doesn't get like, you know, booted for you know,
like killing Daniel, squishing his head. You know, Vanessa left
my friend.
Speaker 2: You just reminded me.
Speaker 6: I actually really like the little snippets of just interviews
that they have with people on like the streets.
Speaker 3: Of New York.
Speaker 6: It's like, like, what do you think of the new
mayor old candidate, like especially the first time that they do.
Like I think it's like the BB whatever her news
already report it's just like a different like whatever I
thought I had, Like an ad, I'm like, is Disney
Plus have fucking ads now?
Speaker 2: Like Prime? Like fuck this?
Speaker 6: Like I was getting pissed off, and then I realized
we're still in the Marvel universe. It was it was
fun and just some of the interviews that they had,
some of them were reoccurring, and it just they just
felt very.
Speaker 2: Real and comedic. There's a guy with like a headband
that I don't know. I just liked his vibe.
Speaker 4: It was kind of weird that it would like look
like the nineties, though, it's like, this is my day, So.
Speaker 1: I understand now, though you gotta do it, you know,
four x three, you know, nice film grain on there,
you know, or that's all she could afford. She's just
using a camera from the nineties.
Speaker 4: You know that sounds left so Ben's old equipment.
Speaker 1: Yep. Named after her uncle. She said that. She said
that She's like, oh, bb, I got it from my uncle.
It's like, okay, I guess great on me.
Speaker 4: So yeah.
Speaker 1: My last two things I had in my nose notes
is I absolutely love the scene Fisk had with the
commission where he's just like eating away on the sandwich
n office is just so good. Oh, you know what,
going to this place, but there's another place right so
you can see where he's going. Everything. I just love yeah,
I love like it's kind of like jovial and comedic
and I get scary and then when he walks up,
they just give that line of like that was a
disgusting sandwich. I absolutely loved it. Man, Vincent is so
good and uh I My my last point too, is
I hate the new glasses Matt got because when Karen
and Matt are having dinner at the beginning, they're like, oh,
he's changed a glass, Like, no, this is a classic,
and now he has like I don't know, he's looking
like fucking doctor Octpus with these dog he's got going
on there. Yeah, they are big. Yeah. My hope is
that that because it broke up the end episode two,
he's gonna go with the classic ones because especially like
I own those Daredevil glasses like that to me is
the classic look like more like the smaller red around
the eyes. So that was just a little note, but
he did change it, so it shows up Matt's been
going through a lot of changes this past year. And
I also didn't mention that he is constantly keeping Foggy's
funeral pamphlet on him, so he uh, he still needs
some work to be done there, so hmm, yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe he doesn't know what it is. He is blind rights.
Speaker 1: And even the heat blind again like Matt Brock is
not blind at all. Really it's better than him.
Speaker 3: He can't read, He can't read paper. He needs braille.
Speaker 1: Though, of course. Yeah, but like Foggy's still dead, the
monny thing it is, Taylor, what do you think he's
caused like putting in his suit jacket pocket that he
doesn't know what.
Speaker 3: It is shopping list?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: He can't text Kenny.
Speaker 1: I think they have phones for that. Well then, and
I think they have phones with braileyemashion. They have computers
with braille.
Speaker 5: So when they have a phone, like what happens if
he has an iPhone and it's it's just.
Speaker 1: Think about I imagined they must have accessibility things you
could hook up to a phone. That would be like
a key, isn't the things you can.
Speaker 4: Like like you get serio to do everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't talk, you can't call He's like called cherry.
Speaker 1: As somebody attest to that somebody many times, especially when
I was Landscape. When you use voice text send it
and then all you three fuckers, what.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about? People don't speak as quickly as
you do, Travis. Like, if someone speaks at a normal
pace and like pronounce his words correctly.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. But I just feel like it's
not one hundred percent. Especially as a lawyer. You don't
want to misspeaker say anything accidently, like go off to someone.
Speaker 2: So he's very eloquent when he talks. He's very clear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else daredable, Brian, My holes have been filled.
Speaker 6: I like the the ode to the old intro, just
with the theme song that that would come in here
and there. I don't love the new intro, but I
like the build up of the song, you know.
Speaker 1: I like it fun LIETL Tribute. Still missed the old one.
I wish they did that one time and then just
went right back to the old one. But you know whatever,
it's fine. So you skipped even the first time.
Speaker 3: He didn't watch what I just did.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't watch. I skipped it the
second time.
Speaker 3: It's no friendly neighborhood intro.
Speaker 1: No, No, we can't have a rap song, Open Up, Daredable,
Born Again, you can't see but it can't. He's coming
for your fiddel.
Speaker 6: Depressed just spoils and that just well, actually, no, Dyl
is the first time that they played the intro is
after Grue you died so quick that yeah, before the intro.
Speaker 1: All right, well, we will now be back every week.
This is a new entire territory for us. All because
kirkl and Taror didn't you know review the episodes like
live was years later than me and Dylan did. The
bingeball usually be doing this and we're done, but now
we got uh seven No wait because we had two
episodes and then there's seven more weeks left. Yeah, because
if they're doing another two for.
Speaker 4: I think I'm doing that, right, am I six six weeks?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Six weeks? Yeah, Okay, that sounds I don't know
somewhere I am. You don't look it up. I hear
your fingers. Don't got it right, don't doubt them.
Speaker 3: Just personal curiosity.
Speaker 1: Okay. He also just pulled the GV calendar. It all
be there. But yeah, so we'll be here every week
doing that. So yeah, if you got any questions for us,
Alvius you can just ask some patroon in general. But
there's the Dare Devil discord. So in the future, if
there's somebody want to bring up, we'd love to chat
about it and give us your thoughts. And yeah, it's
gonna be I think it's gonna be a fun time.
I think this is a show that we're having a
good time. But also I think we all got some
different feelings on different aspects of the show, so which
I like, you know, it's all, of course, it's great,
all coming all. I loved it. I loved it, loved it.
You know, that's fine. But like I like when it's
like this and we all enjoy it, but we got
some stuff going on. Tear you got just a look
in your eye.
Speaker 3: I have a look in my eye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like ran in this episode because it won't be
boring next to you, hear us