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about some Shrek, talk about some trailers, and beat it

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right back and we are back. Hello, ladies, gentlemen, and

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welcome to Welcome back for the people that enjoy the retros,

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or welcome back to the peel that have been you know,

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maybe they dipped out. Oh Trass and Dylan reviewed season

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three of Daredevil, not going to be back to season four. Well,

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it's nice to see you again after seven years. I

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am a disgusting sandwich Trass now and I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I am the filler of holes, Kirk Patzer.

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Speaker 3: You filled that all really seven years? Oh my god?

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Speaker 4: That I am Dylan back again after seven years, apparently

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buried in rubble.

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Speaker 3: But it's good to be back.

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Speaker 5: Dylan born again. I am Andy to the field.

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Speaker 1: You know, Dylan, if you went by that nickname that

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had the dog in it, you could have the double

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d's if you wanted.

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Speaker 4: You know, the nickname with the dog. And I don't

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know what you're talking about?

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Speaker 1: Do you know that one? I didn't want to say it.

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I thought you would know.

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Speaker 3: I thought you know, would I How was I supposed

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to know?

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Speaker 1: That time? But ladies and jailemy. Yes, we are here.

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I would say as of right now. I know we

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had Captain America, but hey for r MCU projects we

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voted us for voted uh Daredevil Born Again as our

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most anticipated Marvel project and definitely one of my most

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anticipated projects of all since this podcast. I think for

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the years, this is our biggest one. I think it's

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gonna be a very exciting review because we come from

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two different sides. It's like two different countries coming together.

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Rom and Dilm are the old g old Sheriffs. You know,

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we did our time. We were there for every single

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other than the Ferry, first Daredevil, after that, Luke Cage,

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Daredevil Defenders, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist Punisher. We were there

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for all where you got Kirkland tearor who just the

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past you know, from I don't know October to now

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have just started to dip their I'd say their whole

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body is dipped in Daredevil now, but if it's a

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whole different perception of exactly.

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Speaker 6: So.

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Speaker 1: I got lots of things to promote, lots of things

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to share, but we'll do that in a little bit

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and I'm gonna you know, I don't want to offend

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the other two. But I am gonna throw to my

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Netflix brother, and because you know, we were there since

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the beginning, so I'm gonna throw to Delmas first too.

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Uh So you can give yourself, give people like a

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little just elevator pitch of any history you might have

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with Dared w your thoughts on the old show, because

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obviously we weren't on those retro so people might not

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even there's a whole bunch of people that are listening

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to probably never heard our thoughts. So just mini elevator pitch.

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And then nonsp was what you thought of Daredevil Born Again,

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which is now outen returned.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, well, now I'm trying to remember back did

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we start with season two or did we go back

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and do one like at like months ever came out

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Speaker 1: We never did one because I listened to a little

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bit of our season three review and we said, oh,

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maybe one day we'll retro season one, and we didn't,

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Speaker 3: Never heard these boys got you guys covered?

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Speaker 6: Yeah we did that one. Yeah, bigger fans over here.

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in the day and then kind of stuck around for

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every other season of all those Netflix Marvel shows, which

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was quite an era. And man, can't I can't believe

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it's been seven years since the end of Daredevil season three.

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because you know, Taylor Kirkland, fresh off watching this show, Travis,

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years have been like I'm just gonna put on Daredel

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when I've run through. I don't think it's greater. I

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movie that I reviewed last year, I probably couldn't even

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easy to do so, and I really enjoyed these first

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and the second one was it was good. It was solid,

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but it wasn't quite as seller as that first and

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think the action and those moments are working. There's already

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and I'm very excited to continue with this bad boy.

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even though we've got Daredevil and Charlie Cox back for

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Dylan is funny you said, Caesar, sorry, episode one, you're

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the first thing you say is disjointed.

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like it's just pushing forward with the story now, not

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episode one, like all already I was starting to vibe

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the season. So yeah, I'm hoping we spend our time wisely,

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Speaker 1: No, just there's another week later. I think. I feel

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them is probably a slower episode, and they're like, we

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gonna complain, Let's give them three a week. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, let's keep going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go just to keep the theme of Netflix

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snoopy Netflix. I'll leave Taylor for last, which is dangerous.

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feels like we're packed to prime Donofrio Kingpin. I know, hey,

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there's some hot takes down there below, but for me,

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I'm a big tough guy. But it's like, that's what

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great stuff out there. But and Daredevil, I absolutely love

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the character. Next to Wolverine, He's my favorite Marvel character

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and that kind of echelon. So I've been very anticipated.

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maybe never happen. I thought we'd get Chox Cox back

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in the MCU, but we've gotten this. So if you're

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asked me, do I like this show? And I do,

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because yeah, we get those two back and they feel

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like they just carried right over from the show. They

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feel exactly like nothing's changed because like me and Tarry

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Johnny Depp and Jack Sparrow where it's like eventually felt like, hey,

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this isn't that same guy anymore. Where Cox and den

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which is kind of crazy. So that's exciting. I think

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there's some elements to New York they're adding, and there's

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some stuff that I'm because I talk of those Emily

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because she was on some of those reviews of US

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and they had some stuff that was topical. But I

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think with this show, with the mayor aspect and this

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mayor aspect, with the police aspect, with some aspect of vigilantes,

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there's lots of stuff that is very like current to

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right now. It's happening right now, which I said was

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interesting because Brad New World. I thought that was maybe

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a negative for them because that kind of hurt like people, Oh,

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like Fisk is, literally they're just drawing the line to

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the President and the fact that Okay, police brutality is

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not just like a story, it's a huge plot beat here.

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That to me is like a really bold swing to

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do right now, because you can turn off a lot

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of viewers that way and go oh, I don't need

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this or all I feel about this, or the cops

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are always right where. I don't think the original show

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had those big swings. So I think the show's doing

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some really risky but provocative stuff. So I'm enjoying that now.

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If you ask me, do I enjoy this as Daredevil

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season four, that's like a different question. And that's where

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I feel, I don't know what people are watching. This

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is the same way. We'll wait and see because I

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remember a spider Man friendly neighborhood Spider Man ever, whatever

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the fuck that show is called, I Hate Your Fai

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the New Spider Man showing Disney Plus where it's like

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this is one of the best ever. I still never

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got to that point, but near the back half I

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was like, Okay, I can see the reviews warranted here.

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do something that's like a classic. They try and do

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a few things, one in particular that's a classic Netflix

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thing and it's so disneyfied. I couldn't enjoy it at all,

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Like it just did not feel like what that thing

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was in the past, that Daredevil is one of the

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things it's known for, and it felt like in a

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very odd version it feels And people don't hate me

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for this quote. It feels like a Last Jedi to

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Rise a Skywalker comparison where you can tell JJ Abrams

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and Ryan Johnson like, look how much Rose is used

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in Last Jedi, right, and then look how much she's

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used and Rise of Skywalker. So if you're a big

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fan that Rose character, that fucking sucks. If you're not,

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then great. And I feel like this show feels like

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that a little bit. The way it shot, just the

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way it feels. I think it's tough because it's it

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feels like a reboot of the Daredevil show and a

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season four, but it doesn't want to pick which lane

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it's in. And that's what's so interesting is they shot

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the show and then the rumor was like, oh, they

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reshot it. It wasn't good and they didn't feels like

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Daredevil season four, And all the press has been like, yeah,

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this is this is Daredevil season four. This is just

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like Netflix, and I don't think so. If you were

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to tell me this was a reboot the same way JK.

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Simmons was playing you know, a new Jonah, I would

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believe you. Not the cannon. They keep the cannon stuff.

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I just mean the some of the vibe, the look,

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the feel. Some storylines. It's a little iffy, even the

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storyline we're doing. I'm curiously at Kirkland's thoughts on because

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there's an aspect of that he's not a fan of.

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And for me, there's a storyline we're doing for a

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third time. You guys didn't watch Defenders, but it's it's

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so to me, it's just like, this is the best

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we got. So if you watch it as its own

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new show, I think it stands a lot better if

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you're looking for it as a hardcore Netflix fan. Is

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a continuation other than Cox and Dernofio, and those are

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pretty that's like a assistant line. If it feels off,

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it definitely feels very different. So I think this is gonna,

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for me overall, be a good show, maybe a great show,

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like some of this stuff is great, but I if

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the quality is like this, I think it's firmly placed

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below those three. But we're only two episodes in. We'll

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see but as look as far as like a Netflix

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vibe and the grittiness it's missing. It's definitely missing some

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of that grit. It's had a lot of plaster scene

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put all over it. Especially I'll say, in the first

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ten minutes it's like, ooh, this is not I miss

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some of that stuff. But overall still really enjoy Its

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still good. But I would I would say if people

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are excited by the thought of, oh, it's more of

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a continuation, I would I would really backpedal and I'll

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share more of those thoughts in spoilers.

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Speaker 6: So just the fact that it's nine episodes versus thirteen, like,

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I feel like that's going to be hard to compare, Like,

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you just have so much more time to spend on

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those storylines. It just if you're wanting to compare the seasons.

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But it is going to be interesting once it's all.

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Speaker 1: Done, mister Field, take us home. In the non.

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Speaker 5: Spoilers, Yeah, this, I think you guys have said many

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good points about it and this show being a sequel

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and like a soft rebook kind of thing. I think

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at its score for me when I was watching that

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first episode, it felt like, Okay, Disney is definitely just

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putting their mark down, and hey, we have all these

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different things that were already created in this pre established universe,

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and we want to change it drastically to keep some

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familiar things. Obviously, you want to have things that you

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would recognize and are familiar with, but you also want

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to have a whole new era ushered in, and I

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think that they're just trying to make it more their

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own by doing that. Was I shocked with some of

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the changes, Yes, I absolutely was, But at the end

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of the day, I'm not disappointed or anything along those lines.

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I thought, Okay, this is quite crazy. But I feel like, unfortunately,

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the first very beginning of that first episode was immensely rushed,

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and I could have done with that, have been dragged

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out for the first half hour or so of the episode,

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because it just would have suited it a bit better

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instead of just being such a rushed like, uh, I

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don't I don't want to say anything that'll woreline into spoilers.

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It just at the end of the day, I feel

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like it just got a little bit too fast paced,

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and I think that is a bit of a negative

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for me in that regard and then how things transition

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later on, I thought, okay, well that's when things started

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to get interesting in a different light, a different perspective.

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But they are familiar things from the other three seasons.

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And again I haven't seen Defenders, so I can't comment

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on that, but the other three seasons they have these

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familiar beats in this first and second episode that it

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just was very recognizable. So I'm curious what they're going

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to be doing here and if they are gonna if

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they they've tried to make it their own, are they

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gonna keep going and keep trying to make it thrown?

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Are they gonna be kind of piggybacking and making it

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like can familiar beats from the first three seasons.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: That.

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Speaker 5: Being said, it's not bad.

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Speaker 3: I don't hate it.

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Speaker 5: I I like the show, and I like what we've

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seen so far, and I'm curious to see where this

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is gonna go. There's a couple of Easter eggs that

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they've dropped in there, which was really really cool, really

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really fun one that I need to ask you guys

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about it. I'm not sure if you got it, because

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when we get one of us only one.

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Speaker 3: It'll probably you trust.

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Speaker 1: And if I get it wrong, no one else can answer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's it was.

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Speaker 5: It was weird, and I think you'd have you'd only

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notice it if you had the captions on, because it

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was like inaudibly. You couldn't hear it because the audio audio,

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the audio.

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Speaker 1: And the blades back the voice.

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Speaker 5: The audio kind of fuzzed out and it was just

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in the captions.

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Speaker 3: It's like, what the fuck? Actually they said that?

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Speaker 2: Holy shit?

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Speaker 4: So well, Kirkland's the caption king, so I'm sure he

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saw it too.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I do more reading than I do listening.

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Speaker 1: Really, then you might be better to ask Kirkland because

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I don't have captions on. Unless the kids are.

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Speaker 4: You can only ask one of us.

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Speaker 5: So you ic the comic book history though, because I

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took it to Google and is like the Google is

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not even telling me the right answer.

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Speaker 3: The googs, the googs.

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Speaker 1: Uh suer, Mike says, I see it as a new

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comic run from a new artist writer. It was never

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gonna be exactly Netflix paraphrase there. But yeah, no, I agree,

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And that to me is why I said, like, if

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you asked me, how do I just feel the show

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by itself great so far. It's just when it is

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like A, I feel like it's just a lot of

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words out that they've done the past few months to

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try and get people on board, because I feel like

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there's tons of people, especially because I love Daredevil and

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she Hulk. I was completely fine at that, but the

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crowd that didn't was like, oh, man, fucking Disney, they're

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gonna ruin Daredevil when one, they've never really read Daredevil

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and know like he has many runs where he is

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comedic and he's kind of very charismatic and can be

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a fun like vigilante, or there's whether he's through a

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depression he's kind of pushing his darkness off to the side.

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But I think that's on the back and I think

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that's some of the stuff too. You're talking about the

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first timants. Feels like it's like, a, we got to

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make like a certain people happy and then we're gonna

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get to our show. But it's like, let's make those

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people like you remember this and you know this. Oh

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you're welcome here Netflix fans.

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Speaker 5: But like you're welcome, fuck you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we'll get there. So, yeah, we're gonna take spois

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describe and we'll update you as things go along. So

472
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,759
let's yeah, let's usually be kind of all over, let's

473
00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:23,599
legitimately start at the beginning. Yeah, So I got a

474
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,519
good laugh when Taylor was like, man, I was listened

475
00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:29,640
to the season three retrospective and he's talking about what

476
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,240
his thoughts are for Born Again, and one of his

477
00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:32,839
last thoughts, like, man, I just can't wait to see

478
00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:35,079
this they do with Foggy because he's really grown to

479
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,440
be my favorite character of the show. So the reason

480
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,880
I was so confident because like, there we don't know

481
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,279
everything for sure. There are rumors in the original kind

482
00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:47,119
of the show that they killed them both supposedly Karen

483
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,599
and Foggy, and then I guess for some reason we

484
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,599
don't know. It's still just like scooperman as of what

485
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,720
happened off. Did they just want to keep Foggy dead

486
00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:58,200
or some people have said that they shot too much

487
00:20:58,279 --> 00:21:00,920
of Foggy being dead that they couldn't reroute it, where

488
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,519
maybe Karen was like saveable where you could add stuff like, Okay,

489
00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:06,640
well Karen didn't actually die. We don't know, and maybe

490
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,440
we'll never know, or as the years go on, will

491
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,319
come out. But that's where like apparently this had been

492
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,599
the opening for a while. There's even stuff that like

493
00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:17,960
we don't even know if Bullseye was the one that

494
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,839
originally killed Foggy, So that's what I mean, Like that

495
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,000
felt like, well, let's get the The Netflix stands love Bullseye,

496
00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:24,400
so let's get him back. So that's what it's say.

497
00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:27,039
We won't know for a while, but yes, they open up.

498
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,920
They're at Josie's, they're having a good time. They've they

499
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,400
just walked back from what the hell's a page Murdoch

500
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,880
and Nelson whatever it is, right, they come on m

501
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,720
m P. Yeah, and there did you call it? The

502
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,319
Foggy is talking to some girl that will meet later.

503
00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:47,519
What is their McDermott or what the hell they're Karen mcderrek.

504
00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:51,079
Speaker 3: You close, Murdock's new partner.

505
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 1: Cool, and then Foggy and then Karen and Matt are talking.

506
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,880
Seems like we don't know the status of what's going

507
00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,519
on them. They kind of hint that they could go

508
00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:01,079
back and have a fun time. So I don't know

509
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,680
if that's the first time, if they're friends with benefits,

510
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,279
because if people don't remember in season three they were

511
00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:08,440
not a couple. When that show ended, they were very

512
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,759
Karen was not a big fan of Matt, just had

513
00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:13,960
just forgiven him for all these bad things. So they're

514
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,640
walking out Foggy and I agree with Taylor, felt very

515
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,079
rush if Foggy gets this call. We don't get much

516
00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:23,960
of the situation. Foggy's just like withholding some witness or something.

517
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,039
He kind of implies Matt hasn't been Daredevil for a while,

518
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,799
so I got some more negatives about that. But then

519
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,640
lo and behold mister point Dexter great entrance. He kills

520
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,799
a fly with a paper clip. Shout out to the

521
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,160
two thousand and three Daredevil, because I just watched the

522
00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:40,880
end of Today Colin Pharaoh's throwing paper clips everywhere in

523
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,079
that fucking movie, So that was great. And then at

524
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,480
nowhere again smoke bombs and then Foggy Nelson takes a

525
00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:49,000
sniper right pretty much to the heart, you know, like

526
00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:51,599
he's not Dexter Morgan, so he's not surviving this. He

527
00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:53,599
was in a cold environment. But most people get sew

528
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,799
in the heart, they die. And we'll get to the

529
00:22:55,839 --> 00:22:57,839
maybe the more overall scene. But yeah, Tay, I'll start

530
00:22:57,839 --> 00:22:59,960
with you. Who was saying Foggy might be your fair

531
00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:05,759
cared of the series, I don't know. Five minutes in Donezo, uh.

532
00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:06,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was.

533
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 5: I was in the back of my mind ever since

534
00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:11,839
chat gpt even fucking through in the first episode.

535
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: Just I'm getting killed.

536
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:17,079
Speaker 3: God damn it. So here we are. He's dead. He's

537
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,400
fucking iced. And this is where I thought, Okay.

538
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 5: They're really I thought he was they He just looked.

539
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: At the actor in the room. We're gonna ic you

540
00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:26,039
was like, okay.

541
00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 5: I thought they were gonna kill Karen page Off to

542
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,960
be honest, because I thought at this point, he's just

543
00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:34,240
throwing a smoke grenade into uh the bar, And I

544
00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:36,759
thought this is all like the iconic locations were always

545
00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:38,920
visiting and the people were familiar with from that first

546
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,319
the first three seasons, so there's no one.

547
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: He didn't shoot her either. He shot the two like

548
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,720
people beside her, like with precise yeah.

549
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 5: And he was going to he was he was playing

550
00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:51,319
with his food and I love that that callback when

551
00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:52,920
he walks out, Hello Karen.

552
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 3: Just poor, that was great. Yeah, fucking traumatized.

553
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: People don't remember he does that to her twice in

554
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,920
season three of Hello Karen, It's nice to see you again. Yeah,

555
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,519
he didn't do that part. But I love bulls Eye

556
00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:05,519
so much. When they're like, we might do a Bullseye show,

557
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:07,759
I'm like, fuck, yeah, give me this fucking weirdo for

558
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,559
eight episodes.

559
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: Boring character, just an a villain, like.

560
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,079
Speaker 1: All the stuff he throws though, Kirkland, come on, no,

561
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:15,759
he was great.

562
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,559
Speaker 2: Remember Eye, he's a name, but you don't like three

563
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:21,319
hours exactly.

564
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he throws them even in this episode. All that

565
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,880
he was thrown at that like, Bullseye is the best.

566
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 5: And when you see how many knives were in Daredevil

567
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,119
two in the beginning of.

568
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 3: This episode, is like, holy fuck. He's just like.

569
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 2: Coy knife to everyone. He got a lot of civilians.

570
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:42,559
Speaker 3: Everyone eight nine and he was nine people. I think

571
00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:43,880
they said.

572
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: No I think I think it was eleven because I

573
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,160
thought they said eleven counts, so I think he killed.

574
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:52,480
I think he got to double digits. Bulls eye point.

575
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 6: That's not counting everyone that he's already murdered and the

576
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,839
other show, like it's just.

577
00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: Those two okay stuff, Why is it we ridiculous? What's

578
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,440
ridiculous about it?

579
00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:04,519
Speaker 6: Because he throws a fucking knife, like hits a garbage

580
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:06,519
can and then it flies like a mile and snipe

581
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,839
someone's in the head like it like everything he.

582
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: Throws he's just gonna hit. Though, Now it's so stupid.

583
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 4: Though, have you seen the other forty projects in the MCU, Like,

584
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,079
I'm surprised that that now where you draw the line

585
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:19,240
of what's realistic, it's pretty.

586
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,799
Speaker 2: Much all that's all the character is?

587
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 6: Is he just only hits dead eyes Like that's that's

588
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:24,519
just it's so boring.

589
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: First of all, it's not all the character. He does

590
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:29,279
miss sometimes on matter. And second of all, there's a

591
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,920
whole backstory about him being abused as a kid and

592
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,640
all this other stuff. So there's a season three retro

593
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,000
you could listen to Kirkland that you talk about there's

594
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,599
there's more to Bulls that than just the throw in.

595
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:42,400
You know, I'm so done with Okay, he's gonna be back.

596
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,440
He's gonna be Oh, I.

597
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,759
Speaker 2: Know he's gonna be back because they kept him alive.

598
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 5: That caught me off guard too, But with with everything

599
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,559
with with Foggy, it's just it does suck.

600
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,079
Speaker 3: It hurts because I really thought they're gonna they're gonna

601
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:57,000
give him a little bit more to do, at least

602
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,920
before they ax him.

603
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 5: But unfortunately that's that's not the case. And now I

604
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,119
feel like at this point, like Karen might as well

605
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,240
have been killed off too, because she's just out and gone.

606
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: Now. She was like again, I'll hold my breath. We

607
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,319
got to wait to see the rest of the show.

608
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,240
I understand that.

609
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 5: But it just feels like she's really out and gone,

610
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,720
especially now because we've we'll talk more about it. They

611
00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:20,160
replaced the love interest, they've replaced the work affiliates and

612
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,440
everything like that. So Matt's got a whole new bubble

613
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:24,920
he's in.

614
00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you think we'll see Karen much? There's this season?

615
00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:30,799
Like or is she like season twos or they like

616
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,519
maybe even punish her, like they kept her a life

617
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:35,200
for a reason, but like as you mentioned sticked her

618
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,799
in San France, so I don't think we'll I don't

619
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:39,440
really think we'll see her in this, Like it doesn't

620
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,839
seem like she'll be a part of it, but they

621
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,160
still wanted to keep her up in case they want

622
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,440
to bring her back at some point.

623
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: I would say one to two more episodes. I could

624
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,240
see an episode where she's a small part than maybe

625
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,200
a big part, I would hope, especially with Frank coming back.

626
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,799
She's always tied to Frank. If you obviously YouTube did

627
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,440
down below, didn't watch punish her, but she's also Unpunisher,

628
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,799
and her and Frank camp some stuff going on there.

629
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,519
So I feel like at least one more episode, I'll say,

630
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,440
But that that's for me. You know, folks, be careful

631
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,519
what you wish for, because I send the predictions. I'm

632
00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:12,240
fine if Foggy goes. Kill Foggy. I think you've done

633
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,480
everything you can at that character, you know, And I

634
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:17,319
wanted more screen time with Matt. But what Taylor just

635
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,200
alluded to this is what I'm pissed. It's like, Okay,

636
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,960
if we killed Foggy and then we wrote Karen out

637
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,720
of the show just to have a new Karen and

638
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,039
new Foggy. That's where the show is taking down major

639
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:30,480
marks for me because the guy that is the cap

640
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,599
that saw him take the mask off, he is just

641
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,920
operating what Karen used to do. She'd always be investigating stuff,

642
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,440
getting information for Matt. Oh fis because this amount of votes,

643
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,440
that's that. And then the word like Tay I said,

644
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,359
the work affiliate, that's oh setting that up on a date,

645
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,400
or here's a client, that's what fogg you would do.

646
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:48,039
So now to me, now I'm completely against the idea

647
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:50,599
of killing Foggy because for my idea is kill Foggy

648
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:52,559
and just take that type of character out, just leave

649
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,359
it more with Matt. Like there's so much to do

650
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,279
with Matt Murdock as a character. You don't always need

651
00:27:56,319 --> 00:27:58,759
to have like five different side characters, even if I

652
00:27:58,839 --> 00:28:00,599
like some of them. It's like the show is still

653
00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:03,880
called Daredevil, right, so it should be like I always say,

654
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,319
like the Dexter Method the early seasons where Michael's Hill

655
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,519
was majority of that show, and that's what I prefer

656
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:11,079
when the show is called Daredevil. So now it's like

657
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,480
I have the same kind of problems. But then with

658
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,599
characters I care less about and I like again, like

659
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,160
take s. There were two episodes and so maybe I'll

660
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,920
grow to love them, but like, I don't think I'm

661
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,559
gonna like the retired cop more than Karen. I don't

662
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:26,160
think I'm gonna like McDermot or whatever more than Foggy.

663
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:28,359
So it just feels like, was it like a money

664
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,279
issue where these people wanted like, hey, like we want

665
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,279
to come back as full characters, Like, well, we all

666
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,000
want to do this, So that to me is a

667
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:37,119
huge disappointment for the show so far.

668
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's a that's a good criticism, I think,

669
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:44,079
I guess for me, I really just got to wait

670
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:46,480
and see, like what these characters evolve with and what

671
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:49,240
their actual story and backstory is and the things they

672
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,640
get up to, because maybe we'll take a turn there.

673
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,119
So far, don't really have an issue with it because

674
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:55,839
they seem like kind of minor characters in there. But yeah,

675
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:58,039
they'd definitely be in every episode. They'll always have some

676
00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:00,880
subplot tied to them too, So good point, like why

677
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,039
are we introducing new people when we already had people

678
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:05,759
in those same shoes Other than like obviously you need

679
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:09,480
a huge inciting event to kick Matt into this new era.

680
00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:11,960
Where he's ready to kill people and all that sort

681
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,319
of stuff.

682
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we'll get there. Yeah.

683
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,519
Speaker 6: I feel like for me, like having the opening go

684
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,000
that way where Foggy just gets marked by my least

685
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,079
favorite villains. Yes, that's ever been in the MC. It

686
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,480
just felt like, no, that's hyperbolic. It just felt like

687
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,279
the most rushed way to just separate last season to

688
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:38,480
this season. And to me, it's like, honestly, have Foggy

689
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,559
died between shows, Like, just just just have the start

690
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:44,160
of this show, like literally the opening of like Kingpin

691
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,480
walking in on Vanessa, Like I just feel like that

692
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,480
would honestly.

693
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: Lift it up for me because they showed it to me.

694
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,079
Speaker 6: They showed the three of them walking together, and I'm like,

695
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,119
oh man, we're doing it, like like we're doing the

696
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:54,559
show again.

697
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: This is awesome. We're gonna have these characters.

698
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,359
Speaker 3: Maria Hill in Secret Invasion, didn't he.

699
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:01,079
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly and a big theory smile.

700
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:01,359
Speaker 6: You know.

701
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: That's that's why trying and say nonspoys if you're a

702
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:06,160
big fan that because they've been preving like all the

703
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,359
gangs back. Yeah I was back, and it's like, no,

704
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,599
they're not, They're not actually back. Because one's dead and

705
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,480
one moved away. So it's like that's why I feel

706
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,640
like it's kind of a ploy to advertise it as

707
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,720
like all this history.

708
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,519
Speaker 2: You know, and like the fact that it just happened

709
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:19,000
that fast.

710
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 6: It's just like I feel like I've there's gonna be

711
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000
many people that are gonna be sour about that. And yes,

712
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,240
it is Daredevil's show, but I feel like the original

713
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:31,240
Netflix show, like it's pretty much I mean, Foggy was

714
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,559
always the third but like Karen was such a big

715
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,720
part of that. Like you already mentioned Travis, like this

716
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:38,160
new Cherry character, like he's just kind of filling it

717
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,079
in that role. So yeah, it's just it's almost egregious

718
00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:43,519
to even show it at the start of the show,

719
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:45,559
like I would have rather than just not even be

720
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,359
a part of it. Like like Foggy, Okay, he died,

721
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,480
we can have him still dead. Karen moved away because

722
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:52,880
of that, and that's just the start of the show,

723
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,920
Like we don't have to have them in here. I'm

724
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,640
hoping that Karen comes back in a more meaningful way,

725
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,880
but honestly, I don't. I don't see it till season two.

726
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,599
I don't think we're going to see her again this season.

727
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: And kirkct you said, worse mcu character film like our bend.

728
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 6: I said, you know, I like to be extreme sometimes

729
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,799
with my hyperbolize, but so did you.

730
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: Did you not enjoy the fight then either that we

731
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,000
got that pursued for It was pretty cool.

732
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,799
Speaker 2: It was pretty cool.

733
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,759
Speaker 6: It felt it felt different than Netflix for sure, like

734
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,640
just the wider shot, it just felt like they were

735
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,599
I don't know, hiding maybe lack of choreography extreme. Yeah, no,

736
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,799
it's it's the lightning looked really cool and like a

737
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,400
big positive. I will see the show, I will say,

738
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,519
I will say the show. I will say for the

739
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,880
show overall, I feel like the sound design is.

740
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: Like up another level.

741
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,599
Speaker 6: Like I always thought it was really cool when we'd

742
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:42,720
hear from Matt's perspective of like little things, but I

743
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:45,079
just felt in these first two episodes it's just like

744
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,359
they had a multiplier on it, and I'm like, holy crap,

745
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,480
like this is like modern audio, dude.

746
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 4: My subwhiffer with Foggy's heartbeat was going crazy.

747
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:56,039
Speaker 3: It was quite immersive.

748
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,119
Speaker 6: I had goosebumps like it was so well done and

749
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,279
and throughout the two the two episodes I thought it

750
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,400
was phenomenal. Every time we would go to Matt's perspective,

751
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,559
whether he's following the cop in episode two, just the

752
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:07,920
footsteps like it. It just seems like it is another

753
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,920
level on something that I already thought was such a

754
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,759
cool thing to have in the show. So definitely, there's

755
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:16,119
there's positives in this for sure, But you know, I'm

756
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,720
just just getting out of the way with this opening

757
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,880
because this was just so rough for me, and to

758
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,079
have it starting that's when I'm like, oh man, weekly

759
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,559
episodes of this, Like I don't know what's going on.

760
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,720
But uh, yeah, it was a long opening for sure.

761
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:30,640
I mean we got the credit seventeen minutes and that

762
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,359
kind of threw me off, just just just to see

763
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,000
where it was.

764
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:37,759
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I think it was. I really enjoyed

765
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:41,160
that whole sequence. I think you know, they're trying to

766
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,039
bridge the gap between a K this is something new,

767
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:45,160
it's been a long time. Presumably a lot of the

768
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,240
people making this are very different than the people are

769
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,599
making that last one, but they still want to pay

770
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,720
homage to what that was, and that's why you bring

771
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:53,119
back those characters, even if Foggy only gets a few minutes,

772
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:55,480
and that's why you bring back someone like Bullseye for

773
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:59,119
that opening that classic MCU everything needs a fight in

774
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,200
the first ten minutes, Like every single movie has that

775
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,960
same structure, right, and so you bring back a character

776
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,400
that was in those like a legacy character from those shows.

777
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: And then I think even the same thing. It's like,

778
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:10,240
this wasn't there.

779
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:13,039
Speaker 4: There was a whole way involved in this, and it

780
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:15,720
wasn't necessarily that same hallway scene that we've seen before,

781
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,519
but it was that same sort of idea of like,

782
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:19,720
let's do one long, continuous take, and of course there's

783
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:22,759
different ways they cheat that and break that shot throughout it.

784
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:24,079
Speaker 3: But I really enjoyed that.

785
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,519
Speaker 4: I loved seeing the once again when made me feel

786
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:29,519
more realistic than like other MCU action fights, is like,

787
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:31,759
oh yeah, they just need to take a few seconds

788
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:32,680
to just fucking.

789
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,799
Speaker 3: Breathe and like catch their breath.

790
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 4: In the middle of this fight, there's like that desperation

791
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,519
of like, oh, yeah, these are just two guys, and

792
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:40,079
yes they can throw cue balls and bounce it off

793
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,319
the wall and headshot people, and yes you can like

794
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:44,279
hear people through walls and stuff, like they're not regular

795
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,200
human beings. But still like compared to other superheroes who have,

796
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,079
you know, extended stamina and regenerated techniques, like these guys

797
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:53,160
are a little bit more realistic in that way. And

798
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,559
so I really enjoyed that sequence and just like them

799
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,519
slowly chipping away to each other as they go up

800
00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,720
the steps, and as you mentioned, Taylor, just like all

801
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:01,799
the ives sticking.

802
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: Out of Matt by the end of it. I really

803
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:04,720
enjoyed that.

804
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:06,519
Speaker 4: I think the only thing that is a little bit

805
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,239
off is like this, you know, it's funny Travis and

806
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,039
the predictions you were like, I want Matt to like

807
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,239
fly around more, I want to be more agile, and

808
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,599
he is, but then it like the CGI on that

809
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,039
doesn't look amazing in my opinion, when he's doing all

810
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:21,320
his crazy Spider Man type moves. But for the most part,

811
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,079
I really enjoyed this fight scene. I thought it was

812
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:24,920
just a lot of fun in terms of the set

813
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,960
piece of it and like the props and all that.

814
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:28,599
I just I had a really great time with it.

815
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and see that's where I'm fun because yeah, like

816
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,599
the trouble happens and then he becomes daredevil. I'm fine

817
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:35,840
with the CGI Like actually, like I don't want any

818
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,679
CGI to look iffy, but like, if I have to

819
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,880
him flying around using the batons to swing, I get

820
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,000
that might not look the smoothest. For me, it's like

821
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,559
when Daredevil and Bulls are in the bar, they're fighting

822
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,079
and they go from looking like people to like very

823
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,719
slimy and sticky, and it's I don't think their CGI,

824
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,159
but I think there's so much around them, different people

825
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,960
smoke the background that CGI that it just doesn't look

826
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:57,960
natural anymore. So for me, that was always the fun

827
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,559
thing with the old Netflix one takes was Okay, obviously

828
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:02,920
they did trickery, but it's always like, oh, we're gonna

829
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,480
switch like Charlie Cox in the stunt double here, or

830
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,159
we're gonna knock the camera here and then come back

831
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,119
up this. To me, it was just like you can

832
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:10,920
just put a camera anywhere and like, oh, we're using

833
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,000
trickery because it's like computer animation like trickery. It's like, oh, well,

834
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,199
like if you just throw like fake smoke up there,

835
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,639
it just for me it lost all of the kind

836
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:22,079
of magic that had to the point where I'm like,

837
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,119
I hope they never do this again. If you can't

838
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:27,000
do it the right way, I don't want that. In concept.

839
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:29,079
I like the fight, like everything from fighting all the

840
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,400
way from the bottom to the roof of Josis. I

841
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,360
like the idea just bulls are just killing people at

842
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,000
any chance. He takes like knives whatever, he's just like

843
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:41,119
a psychopath. I loved the hearing the heartbeat throughout the fight, like, Okay,

844
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:44,960
it's getting slower and slower the roof. Even though the

845
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:48,239
buildings look a little like again and Netflix stair double

846
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,920
the real buildings here, it's clearly like a backdrop sound

847
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,719
stage or just the volume whatever. It may be one

848
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,079
of these things where they're just missing some authenticness to it.

849
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,760
But no, it's great and I bought like again daredablel

850
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,599
is similar to like a Batman character where he doesn't

851
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:04,960
kill people, but in this moment I could buy it

852
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,320
because he's so upset and he pushes him and they

853
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,880
kind of get to do a cheat right where he

854
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,480
killed them. But like apparently Bollseye has like resurrection powers now.

855
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:14,679
But still in my opinion, it's like, no, he tried

856
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,199
to kill a guy and he crossed that line. Even

857
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:18,559
says that later on the episode, Right, So I thought

858
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:22,320
it was a great opening. Like I said, I'm bummed

859
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,599
that we're doing the whole I don't want to be

860
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:27,679
Daredevil thing again. We did that in Defenders, we did

861
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,920
that in Dared Devil season three, and I just because

862
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,679
I guarantee you, like maybe Kirkland Taylor might remember. I

863
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,840
just watched as well, but I don't remember any point.

864
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,519
Like Kay, he has the Man in Black costume, he

865
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,559
takes down Fisk. They talk about reopening, you know, like

866
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:44,519
a new law agency, blah blah blah. But like the

867
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,079
show doesn't end with like Matt in the costume against

868
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,280
standing over New York or anything like that. Like they

869
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,239
never say that he's gonna go back to being Daredevil.

870
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,719
I recall, right, it's just kind of like they took

871
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,840
down Fisk. So to me, it's like I felt like

872
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,320
they almost did the fog or whatever it's opening be like, well,

873
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,960
we got to do a way to like make it

874
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,480
so he's not Daredevil again. But the old show never

875
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:03,119
said he was darreblin so you could just say, hey,

876
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,119
since then, he actually hasn't been Daredevil. Oh no, because

877
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,880
fuck the MCU, because he's been Daredevil and she Hulk

878
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,480
and Spider Man. Fuck I forgot. It's the same way

879
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:13,800
as like I hate that there's a subplot with like

880
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,679
Kingpin's Eye from like like Echoing Hawk. I'm like, right,

881
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,400
we have to deal with this baggage that they got

882
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,800
Shaw on the head and that doesn't work, so right,

883
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,440
that's why they have to do that. But it's just

884
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,440
that's what's frustrating to me. It's just it's kind of

885
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,360
a boring route. It's we've done this before, and I

886
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,920
just feel like, this is your first time back in

887
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,400
seven years. I wonder what coxs me and stuff about,

888
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,639
like what do you got for me? It's like, well,

889
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,840
it's the same story again, but it's a little bit

890
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,000
different because it's time Foggy Dow and same thing. It's

891
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,079
like he's gonna go like we all know he's gonna

892
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:45,679
go on, He's gonna become Daredevil. He's still crossed that

893
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,119
line fall, he's still dead, nothing's changed, so just be Daredevil.

894
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,480
But no, we got still three more episodes of him

895
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,599
being Matt and you know Netflix shows obsessed.

896
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,679
Speaker 3: With Darvil I see.

897
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 4: I feel like by the end of this episode, we're

898
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:57,880
already at that point.

899
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: I mean in the costume though, I don't think he'll

900
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,920
be in the caution for a little bit. I think,

901
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:05,840
like probably, so what it's a it's nine episodes, I'd

902
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,920
say maybe episode for the earliest. I think he's gonna

903
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,079
be doing a lot of Matt fighting. I think you

904
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:13,519
can You're gonna punish it in there for some sequences.

905
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,639
I don't think he's getting the cash back. I think

906
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:17,840
he just had to fight out of necessity because they're

907
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,719
gonna kill him, right. But I didn't take that as

908
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,360
like I'm getting the suit on it's gonna propel him

909
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,519
a little. But I think just like the original show,

910
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:26,519
and I just didn't need it again. It's it's the

911
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:28,599
exact same storyline we've done on many so it just

912
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:32,199
feels like like Matt Murdoch is just like such a

913
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,800
cock tease, you know, just like I'm not gonna do it.

914
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,559
I'm not gonna be dead of him anymore, trust me,

915
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:37,199
you know.

916
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I think I guess I have

917
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,679
less issue with that because I yeah, Well, to me,

918
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,559
whether or not he gets the suit on next episode

919
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:47,840
doesn't really matter. I feel like we've already kicked back

920
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,079
to the point that where like he's Vigilantimo. That's kind

921
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:51,920
of what I'm more concerned about, and the fact that

922
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,039
they intentionally bundled these two episodes to make that, just

923
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:57,840
like the Act one, I think is a is a

924
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,519
good call, and I think it was like a really

925
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,880
great call to skip one year later, right, and like,

926
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,880
sure there could be some good stuff in there, and

927
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,000
we could always do flashbacks, I guess, And I mean,

928
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:09,280
I want to say that it would be fun to

929
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,039
see some of the Matt and like Karen stuff, but

930
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:12,599
it sounds like they just weren't talking to each other

931
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,360
and that's why their relationship withered and is where it's at.

932
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,920
So maybe there's nothing to show there anyway, But I

933
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,039
think like that could have been if that was like

934
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:21,960
the first season that we're getting in the second season

935
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:24,199
was like where we're at now. I think that could

936
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,280
have been a very dry dule show. Of course, with

937
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,000
them just being depressed about their friend's death. So I

938
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,840
think it was a smart move to kind of do

939
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,280
that thing. So I guess if you look at it

940
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,199
that way, like, yeah, he hasn't been Daredevil for a

941
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,079
long time, but we just kind of skip it as

942
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:38,960
a viewer and get into like the more interesting stuff,

943
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,800
And to me, that makes sense, and especially back to

944
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,239
what you were saying Kirkland, which just like, oh, yeah,

945
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,559
this is a less this is a shorter episode run

946
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,880
than we've had with the show previously, So how are

947
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,800
we gonna go about that? And I think it feels

948
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,239
like they took what could have been four or five

949
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,880
episodes and like crunch it down to one or two

950
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,679
here and then we can get into like the juicy stuff.

951
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,800
So yeah, I think I'm I'm I think I'm pretty

952
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,320
happy with how they set up like that side of

953
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,039
the storyline. I think with the some of the Kingpin

954
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:07,039
stuff is maybe where I'm more iffy, but I'm pretty.

955
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: Happy with where that stuff set us up.

956
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 4: With the kind of two in one premiere.

957
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: There any thoughts on that or ray to move on.

958
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,119
Speaker 4: On the intro just how like after like Matt not

959
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:19,920
being dareduble again?

960
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy we talked about the we talked about

961
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,639
Foggy dying, but yeah, just the intro, any thoughts on

962
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:26,039
that before we move on one year later.

963
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 5: I feel like it's close to season three where you know,

964
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:33,079
something happens. It's like, you know what, I'm no longer

965
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:36,639
Daredevil and he just ghosts his friends. Continues on for

966
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:39,039
a little bit and that's that. Of course they skipped

967
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:41,760
over that with the year, but it just feels like

968
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,000
it's very similar.

969
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: Because Karen said he did ghost her, right, So he did. Yeah,

970
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,599
he did the exact same thing he's done every time,

971
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:48,079
where he's like.

972
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 5: That's his classic m oh yeah he ghosts. But yeah,

973
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,199
I mean it's fine. We got the time jump. He's

974
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,360
started up his new firm with I can't remember the

975
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,679
name of the lady, but the lady that was flirting

976
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,920
with Foggy in the bar. So they've got their firm together,

977
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:03,400
Murdock and something or other.

978
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,679
Speaker 2: But what is it, mcdougie.

979
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: Her name is mcdougie.

980
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, McDuffie. I got it wrong. I had a

981
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:14,320
double check.

982
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: I had.

983
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 6: As soon as I said it with so much confidence,

984
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:21,639
it sounded odd.

985
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: So I had a double CHECKO had a terrible time

986
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,079
and elementary school and then like everybody's spitting at him,

987
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:28,440
you know.

988
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: Maybe a listener within the last name mcdougie.

989
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: It's a great name, okay.

990
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: It is. We'll give you if you can prove it,

991
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,800
send the idea. I'll give you a free on the

992
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:36,599
patron right there.

993
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 3: Don't send him your ID, don't do it?

994
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: Send me everything social in turns number.

995
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, everything going on with with Fisk too.

996
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,760
That was kind of interesting to see how that picks up,

997
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,440
because I mean, at the end of season three, I

998
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,280
thought that it concluded very much in a way that hey,

999
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,960
we're going to get another season because it was so abrupt.

1000
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:00,719
It's just like it's like, I want to say goodbye

1001
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,360
to my wife, and then he was thrown in the

1002
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:02,719
cop car.

1003
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,159
Speaker 3: He couldn't say goodbye, and it's like.

1004
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:08,079
Speaker 5: Okay, that's it, and then we get on because another dude, so, well,

1005
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:11,119
that's right Andy, Like god damn.

1006
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: Like that's why your name was Andy Forgot.

1007
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,639
Speaker 3: And I know about Andy. He's like, don't kill him.

1008
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 6: And he's getting foggy.

1009
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that when they showed uh Fisk in

1010
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,880
his mayor's office and you see his knuckles like.

1011
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: Knuckles were bloody, fucked and oh yeah, no, I.

1012
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,639
Speaker 2: Was looking for the credits or the subtitles.

1013
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they only panned over it a little bit, but yeah,

1014
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:35,920
his all his right hand was all bloody, like the

1015
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,639
knuckles are all bruised and everything. So Andy's gone, It's

1016
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:42,440
gonna be like, well, well, he's already long. Episode two,

1017
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,079
he tells, first episode, I'm not gonna do anything. Episode

1018
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:47,000
two he's like, hey, this is your secret son. Like

1019
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,960
he's already back to his old dides. Like it didn't

1020
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,119
and that's probably because again reduced episode. But it's like,

1021
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,159
not even twenty minutes later, he's like beating this guy

1022
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:59,960
to death. Probably he's what is it blackmailing the police down?

1023
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,840
Like he's already back to Kingpin, you know.

1024
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 5: And that's the poetic aspect of this, I think, because

1025
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,440
the they're trying to keep it insynchronized with Daredevil, right,

1026
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,400
He's back to his ways, and it's just going to

1027
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,519
be that, oh, we're on we've come up and we're

1028
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:17,519
in different parts now, different places, and they're just reverting

1029
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:19,400
back to their old ways. It's the way they're gonna

1030
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,199
unravel this story.

1031
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: Which is fine.

1032
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 5: I think it's it's gonna be fun to see whether

1033
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,280
or not Kingpin went into this thinking he was changed

1034
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,000
and thinking he was going to be a better man

1035
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,960
for it, or did he go into this role because

1036
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,400
he has a larger game plan and something kind of.

1037
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: In the works.

1038
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,039
Speaker 5: And to be honest, I like this Kingpin more because

1039
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:40,320
I like that okay, Vanessa fisk Is like, hey, I've

1040
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,519
got this colored proof.

1041
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:47,079
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I like I'm watching I just think that.

1042
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 5: This this uh, this crime Seneca that's been set up

1043
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,840
by Vanessa, and I'm having the money and everything that's bulletproof,

1044
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,880
no gray area. And so you have Fisk, which it

1045
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,840
feels like a Fisk is He's still very, very powerful,

1046
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,639
but he still has a certain amount of limitation.

1047
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 3: With what he's accessible to and he's doing.

1048
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 5: It's not just like season three where it's like, uh,

1049
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:09,599
they get an agent deem on his side, then boom,

1050
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:12,480
it's got like half the fucking FBI in the United States.

1051
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,639
Speaker 1: But no, that's not how it went. He had those

1052
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:17,800
people before he had a deem. You do you in

1053
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,840
your revisionist history of season.

1054
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: Three, That's what I said. That's what I said.

1055
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 5: No, because he got they got a deem and then

1056
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,480
it's like, oh revealed, Oh he's got half the fucking

1057
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:27,800
FBI working for him, and it's like this is just

1058
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:28,840
way over the top.

1059
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: Taylor thought Kingpin was working on a two year plan.

1060
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:35,039
His plan was over the top. The man spent over

1061
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:36,760
seven hundred days on a plan, like, oh, I don't

1062
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,840
know where the backstory is seven hundred days of working

1063
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,159
on this plan and who knows. That's what I'm curious with,

1064
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,639
not to argue aout season three, I'm curious with this.

1065
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,880
I hope we get an answer of was he trying

1066
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,360
to do good or was he not? Because from all

1067
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,599
we've seen of Kingpin and the MCU, hawke Gy and Echo,

1068
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,920
he's just still bad guy. Right, So if it's not

1069
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,760
revealed that he has a master bad plan, if you

1070
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,000
want to do good, why, Like all we've seen of

1071
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:03,840
him so far, we haven't seen like a reason of

1072
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,239
why he'd want to turn good. It wasn't like he

1073
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,880
got back to New York and saw something. He just

1074
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,679
got back to New York. He's like, I don't want

1075
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:11,039
to be mayor because they want to do go for

1076
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:15,000
the city. It's like, okay, why so I'm I'm waiting

1077
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,280
to see on that storyline.

1078
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 3: So and when did he get out of prison? Do

1079
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,719
we know like.

1080
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,039
Speaker 1: When season three?

1081
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,159
Speaker 3: No, because the season three was going he's.

1082
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:27,159
Speaker 1: Going, I mean like since that from that point right.

1083
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:28,079
Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, he's out.

1084
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 5: He got his twenty five K signatures.

1085
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah that's tough because they say there, I don't know

1086
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,719
when it was. They said there was five years like

1087
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,679
obviously some in real life, but five years in between

1088
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,119
the show, So I don't know if they mean like

1089
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:41,199
it was five years and then we jumped a year,

1090
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,639
so it's actually six years. But even then, let's just

1091
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:45,599
say it's five. At some point in those five years

1092
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,840
he got out and then he was after El Nore

1093
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,880
an Echo and all that, and then he got shot.

1094
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,280
So like a lot of stuff has happened in that time,

1095
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,360
So I don't know how he uh, how he didn't

1096
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,079
get out, but you know Kimpin always finds a way, like, uh, he.

1097
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,599
Speaker 2: Runs all the prisons in the country, so he's prison.

1098
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had another two year plan.

1099
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,119
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1100
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 5: So my last question here then with with king pinna

1101
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:08,920
I believe him. He didn't obviously deal with Dexter and

1102
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:12,840
point Dexter doing his own thing? Was that a Vanessa thing?

1103
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,960
Do you think or like, was it just him doing

1104
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:18,000
he was just pissed off? Because I don't know if

1105
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,639
correct me if I'm wrong, did dex ever know that

1106
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,159
Murdoch was Daredevil?

1107
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: They actually didn't interact that much at all. They thought

1108
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,599
this tice and that was it.

1109
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:29,599
Speaker 5: So this attack, this attack, to me, I don't think

1110
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:32,719
it was set up to lure Daredevil away from Foggy.

1111
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,039
It was just at the end of the day, it

1112
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,960
was just the guy was being questioned of where Foggy's

1113
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,719
location was, and he told Bullsy where Foggy was. So

1114
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,519
this seems like a vendetta just to go fuck Foggy up, right.

1115
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: But and it feels weird because like in season three,

1116
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,320
like Foggy is like that, not after point Dexter, like

1117
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,639
like his name hats revealed, but it's them after King Fits.

1118
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:52,719
It's just like Dexter was mad at like any lawyer

1119
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,239
who was like in the vicinity. So it didn't make

1120
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,400
much sense. I'm glad that they made the reason Matt

1121
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:01,079
give up Daredevil is because killed somebody. At first I

1122
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:03,519
thought was like, oh, I got Foggy killed. It's like, well, no,

1123
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,760
like even then he asked him why and bolls, they

1124
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,639
didn't even say anything. He just kind of laughed at him.

1125
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:10,880
So I don't know. And that's where that feels like again,

1126
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,679
that feels like a rewrite. Add on, I'm like, well,

1127
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,880
let's just get Bullseye in here, and people love that

1128
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,239
and it's a cool fight and get to the.

1129
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:20,599
Speaker 6: Fact he's still alive. Makes me hope that we'll get

1130
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,679
an explanation for that, because yeah, it didn't make sense

1131
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,400
at all unless he's just really trying to fuck with

1132
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,760
Karen out of everyone, right, because he he did interact

1133
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,880
with Karen, you know, good to.

1134
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 3: See you again.

1135
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:31,559
Speaker 5: How was his white whale right in season three?

1136
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 3: You should never get her.

1137
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,599
Speaker 2: He gained Karen in that moment, then he got foggy

1138
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,719
and he's like, fuck. You can't guess.

1139
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: He's still trying to impress Fisk after all this stuff.

1140
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,639
But yeah, and that was the disappointing that he didn't

1141
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,320
even talk in the trial. He was just very quiet.

1142
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,880
Give it to Wilson Bithel.

1143
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,119
Speaker 3: No comment or what no comment?

1144
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:48,519
Speaker 2: Yourner?

1145
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,199
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry he did I guess he talked and he

1146
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,360
said somewheres we like he said nothing, no, but shout

1147
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,360
to with Wilson bithels looking fucking Jack, I said, definitely

1148
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,719
like his neck. He looks like he could just crunched

1149
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,440
aired all up with that like he's looking Jack. So yeah,

1150
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:06,079
he I really hope he's back, but I worry it's

1151
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:09,880
the same thing as Karen foggy, where he's gone like eh, yeah,

1152
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,760
maybe in the future will bring him back, but he's

1153
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,719
just in jail somewhere working on his two year plan,

1154
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:15,039
you know.

1155
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:18,559
Speaker 4: So yeah, I found it funny that they're like multiple

1156
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:21,280
times in this episode or both these episodes, they're like,

1157
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,480
we're not in Hell's kitchen anymore. We're in his new

1158
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:25,599
part of New York. That's like how they justify all

1159
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:27,679
these changes, Like, I guess New York's big.

1160
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 3: I've never been there.

1161
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,079
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know if it's that big that we

1162
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:33,639
can really justify, just like all these changes happening across

1163
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:36,199
just I don't know, half an hour away or something.

1164
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:36,800
I'm not sure.

1165
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:39,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dylan, you said, because we're kind of talking about

1166
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:41,960
what were your issues with Fisk. Now he's back, he's here,

1167
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,679
he's Mayor. I was surprised he won Mayor episode one.

1168
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,480
I thought that's gonna maybe be a little longer, which

1169
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:48,320
is fine. I'm not complaining, but I was like just surprised.

1170
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,320
It ended with Oh, here we go. But yeah, how

1171
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,039
you feel about Fisks so far?

1172
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I really have issues necessarily.

1173
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 4: I just I just don't think I'm as intrigued by

1174
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,000
the storyline. Thus, I think maybe maybe it's more so

1175
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:02,760
with like some of the side characters, I just feel

1176
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,519
like some of them are a little too cheesy for

1177
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:08,159
my liking, like his the kind of like in cell,

1178
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,119
like younger guy who's like, oh, this guy knows what

1179
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:13,599
the what the kids want, so he'll be like our

1180
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:17,039
I don't know, yeah, our delegate for the young kids

1181
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,880
or something like that. So we'll see what happens with

1182
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,559
all that stuff. I think that the section that I

1183
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:25,320
did really enjoy, I mean one like the diner chat

1184
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,159
I thought was really great. Of course that was teed

1185
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,599
up in the in the trailers there, but I thought

1186
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:33,440
that was really fantastic, just like the way it started

1187
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,280
and they were actually kind of jovial or getting along

1188
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,920
to some extent, but then the way it just kind

1189
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,719
of fizzled out of there, and how I love how

1190
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:44,559
much Matt was holding back and not really giving too

1191
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:47,400
much information, but just like little notes like commenting that

1192
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,960
he knew about like the whole Echo thing, and obviously

1193
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:52,800
he was in that show too, but yeah, getting just

1194
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,280
like little notes like that, and then when it kind

1195
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,119
of gets to the point of them really just declaring

1196
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:58,920
war on each other but without saying it, I thought

1197
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,039
it was really engaged. The sub whole sequence was good,

1198
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:04,360
and then I like this stuff with the commissioner, Like

1199
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,079
there was only the two scenes.

1200
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,559
Speaker 3: There, but I thought that was one.

1201
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 4: I really like, just having someone like stand up to him,

1202
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,199
like at the at the funeral there, but then when

1203
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:14,960
we get back to the office, and then with the

1204
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,480
kind of blackmail there and the way it was just

1205
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,000
such a personal attack, I thought was just really great writing,

1206
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:23,719
really good like kind of subtle acting I guess from

1207
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,960
Dona Frio there, So that there's parts of it I'm

1208
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,639
enjoying for sure, but I just got to get further

1209
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,960
in and see where this goes, because I think what

1210
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,000
you were saying tracks of just like how obvious they're

1211
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:35,760
being with the comparison point here and the commentary they're

1212
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,679
trying to make. Like I guess I'm in that boat

1213
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,760
of like I don't know if I really need this,

1214
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,599
Like I maybe want like a slightly more nuanced take,

1215
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:42,800
and I don't if we're going to get that. So

1216
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:44,519
we'll just have to wait and see, especially if it's

1217
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,719
already you know, if there's only seven more episodes and

1218
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,440
already two deep.

1219
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: You know, just the verbiage I feel like is literally

1220
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,760
what is happening with the Trump stuff? Right, Whether you

1221
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,719
like it or not, it's just like it's literal quotes

1222
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,079
that Pell said and they're saying it there. I'm fine

1223
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:01,280
with it because I I've said this before. I remember

1224
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,000
reading comics back in the day and Lex Luthor be

1225
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:06,239
president or Fistical me may or I like, oh, that's

1226
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,440
not really unbelievable, like who would vote for this guy?

1227
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:10,119
And then I'm like, Okay, well, now we actually live

1228
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:12,079
in this world, so it is kind of timely, so

1229
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:14,079
I get that, but yeah, you're right with the diner scene.

1230
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,239
One of my favorite scenes in film history is heat

1231
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,519
when al Pacino the cops sits down with to narrow

1232
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:21,840
the bank robber. They know each other's after each other,

1233
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,199
and it's just like a ten minute conversation and there's

1234
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,280
just all this just kind of they're relating, but it's like,

1235
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,000
I gotta take you down. I'm gonna take you down.

1236
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:30,840
And that's what this was. This week got the benefit

1237
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,760
of there's three seasons worth of history there, and no,

1238
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,280
I thought it was great. I think they went through

1239
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,000
all the layers. I thought everyone was just fantastic here,

1240
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,199
and yeah, this is like to me, so far like

1241
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,880
a bullet of the We don't have many MCU projects,

1242
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,639
but next year golden geeks like this is that was

1243
00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:47,920
a great way to start up. So and that's why

1244
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,320
me and the show has some things that I think

1245
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,760
are outstanding. And that whole scene and I liked that

1246
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,360
it wasn't just like a two minute oh you're back

1247
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,440
on back watch, I'm gonna get you, I'll get you.

1248
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,920
It was a nice extended talking about everything. Kingpin felt

1249
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:04,800
like somewhat like sympathetic towards foggy passingway. Like he didn't

1250
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,000
say in like a face rubbing way. He just said, oh,

1251
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:09,079
after a tragedy that changes a man and stuff, And

1252
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:11,679
even when he just called me, oh, Murdoch and he

1253
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,840
hits his hand on the table like he sees like

1254
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,199
a little like he's waiting to pop out there and

1255
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,039
you'd love to see that old Kingpin but not yet.

1256
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:24,960
But yeah, I'm I'm curious what's gonna happen and uh,

1257
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,239
just a fantastic scene. And so far, I'm like, in

1258
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,239
all this stuff, the mayor stuff has to be rushed.

1259
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,400
I am curious of how far we get into him

1260
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,880
being like bad again, because there is a thing of like,

1261
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,320
what can you do a fisk if he is just

1262
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,239
trying to be a good mayor, right, like, that could

1263
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,280
just be a kind of boring show at times. You

1264
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,320
want to see him, like he said already an episode two,

1265
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:48,079
he's blackmailing people. I absolutely love the niece of Yuruk

1266
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:51,239
being in here. That's such a nice little touch. And man,

1267
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,199
I hope some way, one way or another, she takes

1268
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,360
him down or does do some damage, because you know,

1269
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,079
he fucking destroyed Ben Yurick's neck and head in season one,

1270
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:01,119
So it's it's great. That's what I's gonna ask you, guys,

1271
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:05,079
do you think she knows like obviously wouldn't. No, no,

1272
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:06,760
But do you think that she knows the scuttle bit

1273
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,320
of fis is the one that killed them? Or do

1274
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,880
you think that's something that she's gonna discover? Taylor shake

1275
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:11,760
your head, No, you think.

1276
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 5: She'll she'll discover, She'll discover. And you know, this is

1277
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,039
something I wish we had more Karen Page kind of

1278
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:19,079
popping in here with because her and Ben had such

1279
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,280
a rich kind of dynamic together, right and in that

1280
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,199
season going and exploring into fisks origins. So I think

1281
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,840
it's really a damn shame that she's not around to

1282
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,519
kind of meet with her, and yeah, just kind of

1283
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:33,679
like build up that narrative little bit.

1284
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, I ultimately I.

1285
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 5: Don't think she knows, because if she knew, I think

1286
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,840
she wouldn't have had that meeting with Fisk. Or if

1287
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,039
she does know, she played that immensely cool. And I'm

1288
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,840
curious what that question was that she was going to

1289
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,760
pitch to Fisk about Vanessa.

1290
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 3: She's like, I heard about it, Andy.

1291
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:56,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So I think I'm excited to see where

1292
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:56,719
her story goes.

1293
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: Though.

1294
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, Ben Yerk, I feel like with such a pivotable, pivotable,

1295
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,880
pivotal uh just character for Karen's journey, like like even

1296
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,159
when she's working with Uh, like Ben's boss, like later on,

1297
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:13,320
like they always just kind of like refer or like

1298
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,599
he mentions that you see is Ben Ben's aspects in her,

1299
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,639
like when you know she's just hungry for getting the

1300
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,119
true story out there and everything and just the whole

1301
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,760
reckless investigative nature that she has. So the fact that

1302
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,000
she's not in the show and we're getting Ben Yurick's

1303
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:31,960
niece is just like man like, fuck guys, like we

1304
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:33,840
had her we had her there, like, just give her

1305
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,679
some more money if that was the dispute.

1306
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,519
Speaker 1: Like, what is Ben Yerick's niece doing. She's doing journalism?

1307
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:42,880
What did Karen Page do for two and a half seasons?

1308
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,400
She was a fucking journalist?

1309
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,159
Speaker 5: She all about though when she was working with the

1310
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,719
didn't even change Ben's office.

1311
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, the setups right there. Of ye, what had she

1312
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:53,320
been doing the past year? Well she left, you know,

1313
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,719
We'renock and Nelson. She's back to being a journalist and

1314
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,639
she met up with that. Maybe that would play into

1315
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:01,480
the like fisk, she would know about fiscal because I

1316
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:03,320
feel like Karen right would be like, hey, your uncle

1317
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:06,119
he got snatched up. But again, maybe maybe wrong, maybe

1318
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:08,960
hopefully that's the way that you could intertwine them right

1319
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:11,800
as far as a way where like Matt meets the

1320
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,079
little Yurick or whatever, and think maybe that's the way

1321
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,519
where I'm hoping in episode four or five they meet

1322
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:18,400
and that's how Karen is in for the back half.

1323
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,119
So that's again we're only in episode two. So I'm

1324
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,599
I'm gonna hold weight. I'm gonna feel like she does

1325
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:26,519
know because I just feel like I don't know. I

1326
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:29,039
feel like she is playing coy on purpose and trying

1327
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:31,280
to get in there, and I don't really know what it.

1328
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,079
I guess fits got that information about the the the

1329
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:38,480
cop retiring or the commissioner retiring. I don't know what

1330
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:40,480
she got out of it, really. And then just like

1331
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:43,159
I don't know, get to meet Fist, but it felt

1332
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:44,880
like a scratch my back, scratch yours and she didn't

1333
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,760
really get anything like, not even like an interview with him.

1334
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,639
It was just hey, that commission's retiring and the cops

1335
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:52,239
are gonna hate you, and you know, look out because

1336
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,800
they control the cops. So, Kirk, I want to ask you,

1337
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,239
how do you feel about the Vanessa stuff, because that

1338
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:00,840
was a big hang up for you in the retrospect.

1339
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,639
We're now we're in a situition where okay, so Fisk

1340
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,000
came back, but you don't know the last time they spoke.

1341
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:07,440
I think she said like something like a year or

1342
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,239
something like that. So I guess I don't know why

1343
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,559
he gets shot. And he said, oh I couldn't talk

1344
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:14,559
to you, Vanessa. I don't know why why you couldn't

1345
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:17,760
just still keep in contact text Vanessa, Like, I don't

1346
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,000
know if I get shot, I'm getting like super crazy

1347
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,760
superhero surgery. I'll still text Aiment Bank. Yeah, I was

1348
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,800
coming back, like I can see a little bit better.

1349
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,719
So it just feels like it's drama for the sake

1350
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,440
of drama. But they set up that while he was gone,

1351
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:32,079
Vanessa is running everything, running it very well. He again

1352
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:34,119
we don't know why, wants to be legitimate. So he's

1353
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:38,119
gonna run for mayor, and there's there's just a weird

1354
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,400
you know, funk in the air. They do revealed the

1355
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,400
end episode one she was having an affair with you

1356
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,800
know Andy, as mentioned. Don't know how the public doesn't know,

1357
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,159
Like she was still running like crimical criminal stuff, So

1358
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,400
I don't know how Fis was like cleared of all this,

1359
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:53,599
Like everyone knows what Fis was doing. And when like

1360
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:56,800
she's like, oh, I'm running a very uh you know,

1361
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,559
special type of business, it's like, why are you being so.

1362
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 6: Mentioned to fist that she made a bulletproof you know,

1363
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:03,719
it's a nice, nice.

1364
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: Easy way to just the sure, yeah all this business bulletproof.

1365
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,559
Speaker 3: But she cut the fat and added more muscle.

1366
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,079
Speaker 1: As she did. But now they're in therapy with who

1367
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,280
will talk about air? Matt's new girlfriends so they got

1368
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:16,280
therapy going on. So how do you feel of this?

1369
00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:19,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, for me, like Vanessa was just such

1370
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:22,079
a meme throughout the whole Daredevil show because that was

1371
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,199
just that was just Wilson's kryptonite, Like like it seems

1372
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,239
like no matter what if Vanessa was there, like he's

1373
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:31,360
just not thinking straight, or he's just like compromising his

1374
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,159
own criminal mastermind or just trying to I don't know,

1375
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,920
just just trying to appease to Vanessa's and I really

1376
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,880
didn't love that quality at all to fists.

1377
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,559
Speaker 2: So I'm actually really intrigued by this.

1378
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 6: On hoping that he he gets through the h the

1379
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,920
puppy dog euyes when it comes to Vanessa. I'm hoping

1380
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,039
that by the end of this he actually is more

1381
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:54,960
against her, because I feel like she is gonna like

1382
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:57,800
they're doing therapy, but there's just something that the way

1383
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,320
that his entrance to that meeting went and just her

1384
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,920
kind of like cold shoulder towards him has been from

1385
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,000
the start of this show. I feel like she still

1386
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,280
thinks that maybe everything was better without him in it,

1387
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,719
which is interesting because I don't feel like that was

1388
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,599
really like a big quality of hers from the original

1389
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:20,320
Daredevil show and the other and I think like there

1390
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,719
might be you could argue there is glimpses to it,

1391
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,079
like when she just starts to like I want to

1392
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:27,119
be more involved in your business and like know everything,

1393
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:31,400
and and then she starts making moves like especially like

1394
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,320
around Poindexter and just just stuff around there, like it

1395
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,000
seems like she is making calls without like asking Wilson.

1396
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:40,199
So there is glimpses to it, but it's just so

1397
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:42,719
it's just such a jump I think to go from

1398
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:45,760
that to this and again to play Devil's Advocate to myself,

1399
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,440
like there's five years there that like a lot can

1400
00:58:48,519 --> 00:58:51,440
happen between that if you never see this guy for

1401
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:54,320
I guess just one year a little bit less of

1402
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,360
him Andy.

1403
00:58:55,559 --> 00:59:01,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure there's multiple right, No, he's already.

1404
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,679
Speaker 1: Moss at the table or anything like that.

1405
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:05,719
Speaker 5: Well, tracksuit guy was given like they can't focus in

1406
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,440
the camera on him, so I'd have to see.

1407
00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: I have to go back and visit what.

1408
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 5: They were calling each other at the table and see

1409
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,519
if maybe when Andy's there.

1410
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: I hope Vanessa finds Andy the same way point and

1411
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,840
Dexter found whatever her name was, Helen or Razer somewhere

1412
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,360
and she just put him in the car. Yeah, oh man,

1413
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:28,559
but uh yeah, I I I don't think they're gonna

1414
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,280
They're not gonna make it, and I'm not gonna say

1415
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,920
physically any kill her, but I would not be surprised

1416
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,559
if we go down this route, to be honest, because

1417
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:37,559
then what is what happens when you got to Wilson Fisk,

1418
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,760
who's a criminal again, and there's no Vanessa. There's nothing

1419
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,599
to hang over his head. There's not that oh, we can.

1420
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,599
Speaker 6: Always get her, because we haven't had that thing throughout

1421
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:46,960
the whole Dexter Show or Daredevil show.

1422
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: Dexter too got point Dexter in my mind.

1423
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 6: But like in season one, you get like a little

1424
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,440
bit I can't remember how many episodes it is before

1425
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:57,559
Vanessa gets introduced, but like there's a little glimpse there

1426
00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:00,840
of just that like criminal mastermind, king pin type guy

1427
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,760
who's not just swooning over Vanessa in her art.

1428
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,039
Speaker 1: And funny enough, I think the first time you see

1429
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,480
Kingpin though, it's when he's with Vanessa. He's like looking

1430
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:10,719
at an art or something, so like there you get

1431
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:13,559
episodes of his voice without her, without that, But even

1432
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:16,280
then he's not with her, but no, I think you

1433
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,679
might get what you want to because also remember another

1434
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:21,800
weird situation that she wasn't even playing Vanessa when they

1435
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,159
started this show like Born Again, and then they reshot

1436
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:26,239
and they recast and they brought the original actress back.

1437
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,960
So that makes me wonder, like how much was Vanessa

1438
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,760
really a part of that original cut? And that's why

1439
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,880
I wonder if Vanessa's time is not gonna be long

1440
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,360
with us, because I was like, well, yeah, I bring

1441
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:36,920
her back because we're just gonna kill her off and

1442
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,119
make the Netflix fans happy. But you know, or maybe

1443
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:41,519
she tries to sell him out. I don't know. I

1444
01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:43,840
feel like that's gonna be a tipping point to Kingpin

1445
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,639
again getting maybe even worse than that. And super Mic is, yes,

1446
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:50,599
he brought this up in our discord, but but we

1447
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:52,639
still know how Kingpin got out of prison season three.

1448
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,559
I just take it as he's Kingpin. Something always happens.

1449
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:57,920
I did mention to Mike that, like we kind of

1450
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,400
disagreed on the wording of it, but said that if

1451
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,880
he ever told the world that he was dared Devil

1452
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,519
or went after Karen or Foggy, then he would put

1453
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,639
Vanessa in prison, but that to me was the promise,

1454
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:11,840
and technically that's why Kington said, like, well, I had

1455
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,159
nothing to do with Foggy dying. So technically I think

1456
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:18,280
Kingpin has kept his word that he didn't hurt those

1457
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,280
two and he hasn't told the world who Matt is,

1458
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:21,719
you know. But at this point it's like, Matt, you know,

1459
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,199
maybe Vanessa's has got to go to prison still, but

1460
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,480
let's take an ad break and we'll keep talking about this.

1461
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:30,440
We'll be right back, and we are back. So who

1462
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,960
is some of the thoughts on Vanessa and the therapy

1463
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,719
that stuff, or not at all? We can move on.

1464
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 4: I would love to hear what Taylor's like theory was

1465
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:43,920
with the audio with the sub titles.

1466
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah, so so the scene was Kirsten set

1467
01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:52,280
up Matt on a date right with their the therapist.

1468
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 3: I can't rememberists name, but they're.

1469
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:59,119
Speaker 5: Talking and they're at the coffee shop and then.

1470
01:01:59,000 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 3: She's about to leave.

1471
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 5: He's also down to down and she's they they haven't

1472
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,360
share a laugh, and then she's like, so where did

1473
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,559
you go to school? And then the music the sound

1474
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,960
faded out here, but the caption says and matt'said. Matt's

1475
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,800
response was Exaviers. I was like, what, No, that's what

1476
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,519
it says in the close caption.

1477
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,679
Speaker 1: I kid you, yeah, I know, but like he's not

1478
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:25,199
what he said. Okay, yes, sure he went to But

1479
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,000
what you're asking is, no, I don't think he was

1480
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:29,000
pound around the X men or the mutes at any

1481
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,679
point in this MCU Like, he's not a mutant, so

1482
01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:35,480
he wouldn't. Why would they say Xaviers though New York?

1483
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:39,119
Speaker 5: Like when I googled where he went to school in

1484
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:42,360
that like the Netflix show that he'd labeled, it's labeled clearly,

1485
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,159
Like I think he was like Harvard or whatever, Columbia.

1486
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:47,199
Speaker 1: I think I thought it would say Harvard or something.

1487
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

1488
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,199
Speaker 5: It's just it's weird why they would change that.

1489
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:54,719
Speaker 6: Maybe you go Taylor Xavier High School is a Catholic

1490
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:58,360
high school in New York, just as.

1491
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,679
Speaker 3: I said high school, right, it was the who is

1492
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:01,159
the owner?

1493
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, that's the other thing. I'll be interested, Yeah,

1494
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,239
good pool, good job. I'll be interested in other episodes

1495
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,360
because the only thing he did here was I guess

1496
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,719
with fits. He talked about, you know, how he was

1497
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,119
raised and men forgiving men maybe other people, and he's

1498
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:26,679
standing outside that church but very non religious Matt Murdoch

1499
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:28,719
we got going on. And I'm not a religious person,

1500
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:31,480
but that is kind of the deal with Matt, Like

1501
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:33,400
you need that in there. So I'm hoping that comes

1502
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,119
back later on because it kind of feels weird, and

1503
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:36,800
I wonder if that's the one thing they're gonna be like,

1504
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,280
we don't want to really touch on that. We'll do

1505
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,519
the present thing, We'll do the police brutality thing, but.

1506
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 5: Religious in his sweet's really dark.

1507
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: But it just felt like each season has always started

1508
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,679
with like him and a church, him with a past or,

1509
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:54,320
him being saved by his mother, the priest or the nun.

1510
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,239
Like it's the very religious heavy and this is like

1511
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,119
that's gone, I guess, so.

1512
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:01,719
Speaker 5: We'll see, Well he doesn't have anyone really pulling him

1513
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,960
into that path of religion because his mom, father, God

1514
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,320
himself in here.

1515
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:08,519
Speaker 3: Xavier.

1516
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to because remember season three ends

1517
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,880
of like hey, if I ever need some guidance, She's like, well,

1518
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,679
you know where to find me. That was a clear

1519
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:18,239
setup to like, oh she's that character. Now she's the

1520
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:21,280
religious character you can go talk to and have your

1521
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:25,000
issues about God and Satan, hell and justice of vengeance,

1522
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:27,440
but they did. They remember, they don't want to do

1523
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,360
a lot of that conversations in the show, so that's

1524
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,199
probably why it's gone. It's too much for them, so.

1525
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:34,239
Speaker 3: Their bummer.

1526
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 6: I had a couple of things to mention more on

1527
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:43,039
Fisk in a positive light, because I was pretty negative

1528
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:45,960
on him back in season three, But even just his

1529
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,000
like introduction to that meeting, I thought they just again

1530
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,880
sound design was phenomenal. I think theyre just did such

1531
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,719
a good job at just having like some thick tension

1532
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,000
in the air, coming in looking.

1533
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:58,639
Speaker 2: Like a slim gym.

1534
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,079
Speaker 6: You know, he's he's lost some fat, he's looking all shredded,

1535
01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:05,119
but like just the way that no one really said anything,

1536
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:07,639
and just I thought that was a really good showcase

1537
01:05:07,679 --> 01:05:11,280
of that power the Kingpin always exudes and the way

1538
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,679
that I always thought he exuded it. And then going

1539
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:16,440
through the Daredevil show, I lost some respect for him,

1540
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:17,880
you know, just being a Vanessa simp.

1541
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,079
Speaker 2: But hopefully we're getting out of that now.

1542
01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:23,719
Speaker 6: And then you already mentioned the diner scene, but yeah,

1543
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,519
that was like quick in the trailer was it just

1544
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,480
mentioned like he's Mayor and he knows that he's Daredevil,

1545
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,760
because when I watched that, I didn't know that he

1546
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,960
knew that he was Daredevil yet, Like I wasn't there

1547
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,480
in the original show. So that's the only part I

1548
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,559
really remember from the trailer.

1549
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so. I think they're just talking,

1550
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,000
like they just showed some of the threatening things and everything, like, yeah,

1551
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:47,039
we're different type of men, aren't we. You know.

1552
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,119
Speaker 2: I was really just impressed though with that scene overall.

1553
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:53,639
Speaker 6: I think I don't know, I should have had high

1554
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:56,239
expectations for that, just because they're two really powerful, you know,

1555
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,280
big characters, great actors and everything, but man, like it

1556
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,880
it blew my mind. I think this was the point

1557
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,920
of the first episode when I just was really, oh, yeah,

1558
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,440
this show is going to be something special if we

1559
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,639
have these two being the focal points. Like I was

1560
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:13,480
expecting to it to be a lot more aggressive, but

1561
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,960
I was impressed that they're almost just like looking back

1562
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:19,440
on like the trials that they've gone through together and

1563
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,400
just they're both like grown now.

1564
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:24,599
Speaker 2: They're not really because.

1565
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 6: Matt's going to be Daredevil again, Kankin's are going to

1566
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,119
be back to crime. But in that moment they're able

1567
01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:31,000
to just be like, yeah, you know, we're turning over

1568
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,920
a new leaf. So I think I was just really

1569
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:36,280
impressed with how the dialogue went, because it's not how

1570
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,000
I thought it was going to go at all, judging

1571
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,920
by the trailers and just judging by the past.

1572
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, it surprised me there, and.

1573
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:44,519
Speaker 1: I kind of liked what I forgot to touch on.

1574
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:47,559
I like that Kingpin. Each season we have somebody stick

1575
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:50,920
in season one, Electra and Punisher in season two not

1576
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:56,719
really Defenders, but then season three you have Matt himself

1577
01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:58,639
because he's like should I kill Kingkins? Butter for New York,

1578
01:06:58,679 --> 01:07:01,360
you always have some character trying to push him. And

1579
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,400
at the end that conversation, Beaus say, oh, it felt

1580
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,079
good on that rooftop, didn't it, just to just release

1581
01:07:06,159 --> 01:07:08,440
everything on point decks, just like he's like trying to

1582
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,519
tell him, like, yeah, it's s feel good to kill people,

1583
01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:12,760
right like, because Kingpin used to it all the time,

1584
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,159
so Matt doesn't admit to it. But that's a tough

1585
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:17,639
thing that there's always a character trying to pull Matt

1586
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:20,000
over that line, and this time it's it's funny, it's

1587
01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:22,639
never been Kingpin but this time he is, and that's

1588
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:24,639
why I will be curious of Kingpin now that he's

1589
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:26,719
gonna make I don't know, it's kind of like Civil

1590
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,800
War two where it's like the Cecobea Accords, like any vigilantes,

1591
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,239
you know, look out. But when he does become Matt

1592
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,920
mur or Daredevil, like he knows where to find Like

1593
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,320
he has the answer for that one he talks about

1594
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,440
a kid dressed as a spider. He has it right now.

1595
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,039
He doesn't even know who Peter Parker is, but like

1596
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:43,440
he knows who Daredevil is. Like, I feel like that's

1597
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,079
an easy fucking warrant to draw up. So that's why

1598
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:48,360
it's gonna be interesting. Okay, what does Daredevil get over him?

1599
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,639
Or is a situation where they're gonna have to work

1600
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:53,559
together where there or Kingpin will have to like have

1601
01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:56,840
Daredevil out there because X Y and Z. Maybe it's Vanessa.

1602
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,960
Maybe Vanessa gets so bad that he can't take her down,

1603
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,239
but he wants someone to take her down, and that's

1604
01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:04,760
where Daredevil comes in. I don't I don't mind the

1605
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,480
heroes and villains working together.

1606
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,599
Speaker 2: You know, sweaming in that'll be your name, queen.

1607
01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 5: Hell Yeah, Daredevil to me, is crossed the line already

1608
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:15,119
in this in this season, because I mean, he didn't know,

1609
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:17,680
he did not know bulls Eye would survive. Knock him

1610
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,760
off that building he fucking sent him.

1611
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:22,279
Speaker 3: He wanted that. That was him murdering him. And as

1612
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:23,520
far as I'm concerned with these two.

1613
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,359
Speaker 5: Cops that he he killed them, they're that guy that

1614
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,000
like flipped in, like bent his knees back on the floor.

1615
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 3: He's done, he's done.

1616
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: I don't think they're I don't think they're actually dead.

1617
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,920
It's like the Arkham Games where they should be dead,

1618
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,199
but I I don't think.

1619
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:42,119
Speaker 2: The skull being crushed, so you think they're dead.

1620
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:43,119
Speaker 1: Pizza bet the.

1621
01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: One guy it would be.

1622
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 5: So we're talking about realism here in the sense I'm

1623
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,520
not gonna pizza bet because I'm sure you are probably right,

1624
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,600
But like, I can't fathom how that guy he was

1625
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,920
smashed into the wall and then the way his neck

1626
01:08:57,039 --> 01:08:59,680
bent up and his body went back. Madison covered her

1627
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,840
face because like, yeah, he fucking died.

1628
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: Happened to Bullseye and then he came right back, you know,

1629
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:05,279
I mean, the top has.

1630
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:07,159
Speaker 3: The juices too. He might have the juice.

1631
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: Who knows he's got that tat, you know, So the punish.

1632
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:12,159
Speaker 3: Your tat, which is that?

1633
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 5: Is that why they're like punish your followers.

1634
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's where I was gonna say. I didn't

1635
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,960
say then the nonsploys. But that's the third, like very

1636
01:09:19,079 --> 01:09:21,359
political thing because a couple of years ago Marvel got

1637
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,840
rid of the Punisher brand because of real life cops

1638
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,800
and people using that logo and Marvel's like, I don't

1639
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,199
think we want to be part of this. And then

1640
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:32,159
eventually they did do a storyline of Punisher of finding

1641
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:34,000
cops and fucking them up and being like, hey, you

1642
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:36,319
want a hero, follow that guy and he's supposed to,

1643
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:38,359
Like he's pointing to a picture of Captain America. He's like,

1644
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:40,760
you don't follow me, Like I'm a fucking monster, Like

1645
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,479
you're pathetic for idolizing me. And that the second because

1646
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:45,720
me and Chris I have talked about this a long

1647
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,079
time ago, of like I don't know if they'll ever

1648
01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:49,920
do that story on the show. The second I saw

1649
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,600
this tat, I'm like, oh man, they're gonna go there.

1650
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,520
So again that's the thing that I'm attributed to show

1651
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,520
of loving it. Of that's how I think Frank gets

1652
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,439
here is these cops now have taken the I theology

1653
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,399
of Punisher, which is a very dangerous thing. And when

1654
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,279
Frank finds that out, oh man, I cannot fucking wait,

1655
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,000
Like and it sounds bad, but Frank kill these fucking cups,

1656
01:10:11,039 --> 01:10:13,239
get rid of them all. Like it's because like, that's

1657
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:14,920
what I love about Frank Castle is such a fucked

1658
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,600
up character and be like, don't be like me, you know,

1659
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,560
be someone better. And then he'll just go and fucking

1660
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,479
murder all the cops and be like, see, don't do

1661
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,680
what I'm doing. But he still continues to murder people.

1662
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,439
It's not like Matt who kills someone. He's like, oh,

1663
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,640
I'm in a mistake. I should never done that. Frank's like, yeah,

1664
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,079
I shouldn't do this, and then he'll just like like

1665
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:33,680
you like that, huh? You Like he's just like Frank

1666
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,319
Castle is amazing. I fucking love him so much. Like

1667
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,439
he's such a He's very much like Dexter where it's

1668
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,399
very twisted, like, man, your ideology does mom make any

1669
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,600
sense when you really look at it? But yeah, the

1670
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,920
second that's what that's setting up a storyline comic book

1671
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,159
of He's gonna come back in new work, find these

1672
01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:48,960
cops and they.

1673
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,079
Speaker 3: Are gonna He's still got a gun for him.

1674
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,239
Speaker 1: I hope so. But I think he'll be more on

1675
01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:57,000
the cops because I think that's that that's taking his logo,

1676
01:10:57,159 --> 01:10:59,840
his ideology, and now it's like the cops right brand.

1677
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:02,159
Speaker 4: He doesn't want people to see them his bran. Yeah,

1678
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:05,199
and I thinks another thing making that comparison, I really

1679
01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:08,479
like that, Matt after that sequence and what you know

1680
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,279
goes to the credits on the second episode is just

1681
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:13,960
like a Punisher scream, just like a Belly scream. So

1682
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:15,920
I don't know, I feel like that was also kind

1683
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,279
of drawing that line a little bit too.

1684
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:18,199
Speaker 2: M hm.

1685
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: How he feeling about the White Tiger storyline. I was surprised.

1686
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,600
I knew he knew he was in here. I was

1687
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,119
surprised that it was episode two already. But the setup

1688
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:28,880
is which I love the setup. This guy's getting beat

1689
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,800
the shit in the subway. He goes to stop them.

1690
01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:33,760
One gets killed accidentally, and then they want to pulls

1691
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,039
a badge. So they set up as like they're muggers,

1692
01:11:36,039 --> 01:11:38,520
but they're fucking cops again. They're like Punisher cops. So

1693
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,760
it's like perfect scenario, and uh, yeah, I enjoyed all this.

1694
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,119
I don't know if they're gonna set up the daughter.

1695
01:11:45,239 --> 01:11:47,520
I did say to them, if I ever become a superhero,

1696
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,960
I'm not just gonna hide my costume right under the bed.

1697
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:51,520
I thought that was a bit easy for the cop.

1698
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,640
Just like he finds the box that go, oh, White Tiger, like,

1699
01:11:55,159 --> 01:11:57,640
you don't even have a safe somewhere, like come on.

1700
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,760
So I thought, almost like we were talking about before,

1701
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,439
some pacing. Stuff's like a lot quicker than usual, But

1702
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,199
so far, I'm enjoying the storyline. And Matt kind of

1703
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:07,000
looking at a mirrored version of himself and I like

1704
01:12:07,079 --> 01:12:09,119
him just being like, yeah, I got a crime fight

1705
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:11,880
more because Daredevil's gone and a lot of people need help,

1706
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,239
so kind of like show me Matt's face, like indirectly

1707
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:16,279
of like maybe I wouldn't be out here so much

1708
01:12:16,319 --> 01:12:17,600
if I had some Daredevil hero.

1709
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,319
Speaker 5: He's a fucking pussy, Like, yeah, that's it right now.

1710
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:23,359
Speaker 1: It just sounds like it's just White Tiger and Spider

1711
01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:24,039
Man in New York.

1712
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:27,159
Speaker 4: So especially because he goes to the route of the

1713
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,279
of a trial like he knows and loves when that

1714
01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:32,960
gets absolutely nowhere. He's not even given a chance to

1715
01:12:33,039 --> 01:12:35,319
make things right there, So I think that is just

1716
01:12:35,359 --> 01:12:38,000
another good reason pushing him into the daredevil route.

1717
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:40,279
Speaker 1: Getting beat up every night in the prison too, like

1718
01:12:40,319 --> 01:12:42,239
they get a moved at the end of episode two,

1719
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:44,600
but still at that point he's just getting beat up

1720
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:45,119
or worse.

1721
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,520
Speaker 6: So yeah, no, I really really like this introduction of

1722
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,760
the character because initially I knew we talked about White Tiger.

1723
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,920
I did not have White Tiger in my mind at all.

1724
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,479
So I just see this passerby going to defend this

1725
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,760
guy and like, man, like, what a fucking good guy,

1726
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,000
and then get him on Ben.

1727
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 3: And he's like kicking their ass too.

1728
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 6: I'm like, holy shit, this is something like this is

1729
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,800
so different that I normally see from these storylines. And

1730
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,359
then of course it turns out he's he's a he's

1731
01:13:08,399 --> 01:13:11,880
an accustomed crime fighter, and he didn't have his amulance,

1732
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,119
you didn't have his power, so he's just going straight

1733
01:13:14,199 --> 01:13:17,840
up martial artists on him. And I was really intrigued

1734
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,880
by just the setup of of the cops, and I

1735
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,199
think I was just expecting it to like, I don't know,

1736
01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:25,640
like the guy that they were beating up is like tied.

1737
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,439
I'm just so used to it all being around Wilson fist,

1738
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,720
so I was just kind of assuming that, but this

1739
01:13:31,119 --> 01:13:33,560
is just something different than I was expecting. It's the

1740
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,520
same thing with how I was impressed by the dialogue

1741
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,840
between Wilson and Matt, like it just it just caught

1742
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,159
me off guard. And I mean the opening of episode

1743
01:13:42,199 --> 01:13:43,680
one caught me off guard, but not in a good way.

1744
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,800
But everything else, it's been a pleasant surprise and he

1745
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,279
just seems like like a character that you want to

1746
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:52,720
root for, and it's like his behavior is not out

1747
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,439
of the out of the ordinary, like for maybe how

1748
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,520
i'd expect that character to kind of react to the

1749
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,560
situation that he's in. So yeah, I'm just really impressed

1750
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,439
by the introduction of this character and the uh, it's

1751
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,279
just how he's gonna be intertwined with with with Matt

1752
01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:07,119
going forward.

1753
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:11,159
Speaker 2: And I don't know if they're buddy cops themselves beating

1754
01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:12,960
up bad cops later on.

1755
01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:15,079
Speaker 1: And RP to the actor because this is like his

1756
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:17,319
last performance. That's he was the one that got like.

1757
01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 2: The oh, really, okay, this is his last role.

1758
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:21,239
Speaker 3: So it's a.

1759
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:23,560
Speaker 1: Shame because and I've never actually seen this guy or anything.

1760
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,119
But I enjoyed from what I saw from so far.

1761
01:14:26,079 --> 01:14:29,079
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's too bad. He was phenomenal.

1762
01:14:29,399 --> 01:14:34,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. Is there anything else we haven't touched upon.

1763
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:41,720
We talked about Karen Riick, how we feel so far.

1764
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,319
I'm just like on the New Side characters, the cop

1765
01:14:44,399 --> 01:14:47,560
and mc dewey. I no, I guess a girlfriend we

1766
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,399
didn't even talk about. He got set up a therapist.

1767
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,640
There was like a fake blind date sort of thing.

1768
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,319
It went from just a date I think an episode two.

1769
01:14:55,319 --> 01:14:57,079
They're already having to call each other like hey, I'm

1770
01:14:57,119 --> 01:14:59,800
not gonna make it tonight. Like they're moving really fast.

1771
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:06,079
But so far, I like, I don't know. Actually I

1772
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,800
like her tied into fit. I like the way they

1773
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,319
did that, Like she's a therapist. She ties the Fisk

1774
01:15:12,359 --> 01:15:14,079
and Vanessa. That's a way to keep her in the show.

1775
01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:15,760
I just don't know if I also need Matt to

1776
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,000
have another girlfriend, but I understand why. So I'm in

1777
01:15:18,079 --> 01:15:20,319
a wait and see. But actress seems fine so far.

1778
01:15:20,319 --> 01:15:21,640
I have no issues with her or anything.

1779
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,039
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was just gonna say the same thing.

1780
01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:27,479
I feel like the way she's positioned between the main

1781
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,920
antagonists and the main hero is just yeah, prime territory

1782
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,760
for some quadrama. So I'm sure we'll get to that,

1783
01:15:34,079 --> 01:15:35,760
even if it takes a few episodes to get there.

1784
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 3: And I think she's cool.

1785
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 4: I like, I think they had dood chemistry together, and

1786
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,439
I like that we're getting like a little bit of

1787
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,920
distracted Matt, so he's like therefore a little bit awkward,

1788
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,399
which is funny to see at times too, especially like

1789
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:49,960
compared to like the kind of guy he was in Sheeholk,

1790
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,359
Like this is this is kind of funny going back

1791
01:15:52,399 --> 01:15:55,079
to uh, this version of him. So I think it's

1792
01:15:55,079 --> 01:15:58,640
a yeah, decent, decent setup. I'm actually excited for that

1793
01:15:58,760 --> 01:15:59,319
character now.

1794
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they had great chemistry as well. That's

1795
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,079
all I'll say when I pass them on to Field

1796
01:16:05,119 --> 01:16:06,279
here cheers.

1797
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 3: I like their chemistry, and yeah, I think.

1798
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 5: The idea of her being this pillar between the Fisks

1799
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,920
and then Matt and just the dynamics gouna fold. I'm

1800
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:22,720
I'm sure there's obviously a lot of confidentiality, but it'll

1801
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,199
be interesting to see when Matt finds out like, oh,

1802
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:27,319
your fisks shrink, like, oh.

1803
01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 3: Andy, tell me more.

1804
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the other thing too, is we got

1805
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,479
that creepy guy who is like, I need your help,

1806
01:16:39,319 --> 01:16:43,640
get ready, get ready something Dexter's younger brother.

1807
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,399
Speaker 1: I'll just say that character appeared in the first episode,

1808
01:16:47,399 --> 01:16:48,439
but you didn't even see him.

1809
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:50,079
Speaker 3: That's the first episode.

1810
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:53,079
Speaker 2: Yeah it's Xavier Taylor.

1811
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's Charles very young. Let's go around. So

1812
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,000
the baby the X men are gonna be like fucking middles.

1813
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 3: Can I have another hint?

1814
01:17:01,239 --> 01:17:03,359
Speaker 1: I'll mention here he's in the last five minutes.

1815
01:17:03,399 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 5: I'll say that, and does that like shed light on

1816
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,840
his identity if I rewatched those five minutes.

1817
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: No, But when you see the show and if you're rewatch, oh,

1818
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,039
there he is. It's it's if you've read the Colm book,

1819
01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:19,159
you know which character he is. It's that he was

1820
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:21,079
already doing something. I was like, oh, that's what that

1821
01:17:21,159 --> 01:17:24,000
character does. So when you watch the show that, I'll

1822
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:25,560
like when we're done or when we get to certain

1823
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,039
point and say, oh, remember that thing that happened episode one, like,

1824
01:17:28,279 --> 01:17:31,319
oh that's it. So yes, that character will play a

1825
01:17:31,399 --> 01:17:35,159
role coming forward. So yeah, well, I don't want to

1826
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:37,960
spoil it. I don't. Okay, here's a character they died

1827
01:17:38,039 --> 01:17:40,199
this episode they did this. What I was gonna ask

1828
01:17:40,399 --> 01:17:44,680
is does she find out he is Daredevil at all?

1829
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,399
And if so, win in the season. If it were

1830
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,359
to happen, that's.

1831
01:17:50,199 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 2: So bad keeping his identities a secret.

1832
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm already in the first episode and someone new

1833
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,800
found out, right, And I wonder because like he dropped

1834
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,520
the helmet, yeah, but then he was still all the roof,

1835
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,720
So like I thought that that was gonna be revealed

1836
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,279
that like just everyone knows who he is.

1837
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 3: But then.

1838
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:15,159
Speaker 1: Okay, but not Foggy but not cant Foggy is dead.

1839
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,239
Speaker 3: He can he can not my mom.

1840
01:18:17,239 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: And then he's like, oh, you can't talk while you're

1841
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,840
doing the spell. I can. Won't forget I'm Matt Murdoch

1842
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,880
and just like oh god, and then Peter and him

1843
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:26,479
have something to bond over, like no one knows who

1844
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,600
I am. No one knows who I am? Oh my god.

1845
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,359
Speaker 4: So I think I think they're gonna play a lot

1846
01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:33,079
looser with it, I said, I I will say that

1847
01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:37,720
she'll find out by episode five.

1848
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: I think, for I don't know how we're gonna get

1849
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,239
there because the Fist connection. I think somehow Fisk is

1850
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:48,079
gonna be the content to her finding out. I don't

1851
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:50,640
know why if he slips, don't know why if he

1852
01:18:51,039 --> 01:18:52,800
does it his way as a fuck you to Matt,

1853
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,600
like Matt does something and that's the start of Kingpin

1854
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,479
messing with him. It's like, yeah, you go tell your

1855
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,319
secret to her who you've been lying to, right, So

1856
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,600
that's my prediction. Somehow Fisk is the one that gets

1857
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,800
for that information, and I think it will be this season.

1858
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,840
I'll be very curious because they still even though they

1859
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,359
jumped a year later, they still put those little seeds

1860
01:19:11,359 --> 01:19:14,000
of Like I said, Karen and Matt were talking about

1861
01:19:14,039 --> 01:19:17,000
going back and doing some stuff together. So that's where

1862
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,880
it's like, I feel like you could just you could

1863
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:21,479
literally edit that out. That does not have to be

1864
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,000
in that scene. So I feel like they're still trying

1865
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,760
to play it that again. I'm team Karen and Punisher,

1866
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,520
so I hope that's actually happening, And even the writers

1867
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,720
said there's like a little triangle between the three, So

1868
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,199
that's what's uh interesting, just a problem with punishers. You

1869
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:35,640
can't date a mass murder. There's thoughts of problems that

1870
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,880
come with that. So yeah, she hasn't slept with them yet,

1871
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,000
so I'm waiting. I'm waiting for Nat to hear that

1872
01:19:42,079 --> 01:19:45,079
going on, and that's great. At one point too, I

1873
01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:47,239
want to shout that. I feel like, because it's probably

1874
01:19:47,359 --> 01:19:50,760
more Disney ms you what they go with. I feel

1875
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,640
like they like opt his amount of powers and the

1876
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:56,960
amount of time we like hear him listen the stuff.

1877
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,199
It always happened to Netflix show. By this, I feel

1878
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:02,119
like every ten minutes, so dude's hearing something, looking at something.

1879
01:20:02,119 --> 01:20:03,479
And that's not a complaint. I just felt like that

1880
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,279
was something that was different from the original show where

1881
01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:08,159
that came in key moments, where now it's like he'll

1882
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:10,600
just be walking here like I have TV fifty yards away,

1883
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:11,960
like like Zero's in.

1884
01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 4: I really like the visuals of it. I think they

1885
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,479
did a good job of showing off totally.

1886
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 6: I didn't mention it, but I actually am a big

1887
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,880
fan of him slinging around like Spider Man with his

1888
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:27,880
baton and wand it's it's very it's very what I

1889
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,119
remember Daredevil Bean, whether it was like the Spider Man

1890
01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:32,159
games like him appearing there or even just like a

1891
01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:35,439
comic book strip of him like just swinging around. It's

1892
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:40,039
just so rare in live action and just just and

1893
01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:41,479
we kind of already talked about it. But like the

1894
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:44,560
CGI movements, I guess I was actually a fan of

1895
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,479
because it's just something that we haven't really seen him

1896
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:50,479
move around with a lot. Your Friendly with Spider Man,

1897
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,439
you know that great show, like you just had those

1898
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,239
types of movements in it, like flipping around and just

1899
01:20:55,239 --> 01:20:57,199
being a lot more agile of a daredevil.

1900
01:20:57,279 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I'm a fan of that bulls.

1901
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,520
Speaker 1: I was on the roof and he land behind him.

1902
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:04,079
I was like, oh, then you just see him jump

1903
01:21:04,119 --> 01:21:05,880
in the air. So yeah, like I said, I was,

1904
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,520
I was all fine with that movement there. I love

1905
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,760
more gymnastic dared all because again this guy has still

1906
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,800
like Hiden like comic book heightened sense. He's like has

1907
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,159
radar in his head. He's not regular blind who just

1908
01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:20,319
like skills you know, still stick regular blind.

1909
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,039
Speaker 2: What moves like a bat? You know he does?

1910
01:21:23,159 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: You know?

1911
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 6: So yeah, uh fisks lawyer, I think is is that's

1912
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,640
his position. I just saw his face here on IMDb.

1913
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,199
His character's name is Buck Cashman, and I just thought that.

1914
01:21:35,159 --> 01:21:38,560
Speaker 2: Was such a sorry is he the British guy.

1915
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 6: He's the one that got hither to sign like the before. Yeah,

1916
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,520
basically the new Wesley.

1917
01:21:46,119 --> 01:21:48,079
Speaker 1: I think it's a British guy. Then I think that I.

1918
01:21:48,039 --> 01:21:50,319
Speaker 2: Don't remember z accent at all. I just remember the subtitle.

1919
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 1: Is he the guy that went to the book signing

1920
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:54,159
as well?

1921
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:55,079
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1922
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah he was the British guy.

1923
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:00,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, because they got Buck Cashman, great name, that's right there.

1924
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:04,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, he is the new He's the new Wesley

1925
01:22:04,319 --> 01:22:07,319
and uh uh yeah, see that works out. I also

1926
01:22:07,319 --> 01:22:09,399
want to mention too that they first time ever dropped.

1927
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:11,359
They dropped two f bombs in this series, which the

1928
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:14,199
original show never had too. So they're they're len you

1929
01:22:14,399 --> 01:22:15,600
drop those fucks, you know.

1930
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 3: So do you think Fisk kills Daniel?

1931
01:22:20,319 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: No? I don't think so. He's Michael Oh yeah, yeah,

1932
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:26,199
I could see it.

1933
01:22:28,359 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 2: I could see it as well. I don't think it will.

1934
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 3: Good job on your whole filling, mister Fisk. He's gonna

1935
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:35,760
fucking clock up.

1936
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 6: When Fisk goes like full Kingpin. I feel like when

1937
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,039
he goes full Kingpin, he's just fucking had enough. Daniel

1938
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:43,600
is just gonna be pissing him off. And yeah, he's

1939
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:44,880
gonna ben yuichim.

1940
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,560
Speaker 4: I did. I did think that scene was pretty goofy

1941
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,520
when they're in that traffic situation with the thing and

1942
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:54,560
then he like gets out and he's like, ah, come on, boys,

1943
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:55,680
let's get back to work.

1944
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:00,239
Speaker 3: I was like, what is going on here? The people

1945
01:23:00,399 --> 01:23:02,159
getting results? Yeah, I like that.

1946
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,520
Speaker 6: I just found it so funny that the whole construction

1947
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,159
crew was there like as if it like just happened,

1948
01:23:07,159 --> 01:23:09,039
and they're like directing traffic. It's like we're waiting for

1949
01:23:09,079 --> 01:23:10,920
some red tape, we need some permits. And I'm like,

1950
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,119
this is so fucking bizarre. And then yeah, it's just

1951
01:23:14,119 --> 01:23:15,039
get fill up this hole.

1952
01:23:15,079 --> 01:23:17,119
Speaker 1: Phil, see what I'm doing in America. Look at it.

1953
01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:18,439
There's a lot of tape around this.

1954
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 5: Well it's like, for you, Kirk, when you show up

1955
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,039
at a house, just wait around for those red tapes.

1956
01:23:23,159 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely not, No, I don't get top of that.

1957
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:27,760
We fill those holes.

1958
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be cool and do something like

1959
01:23:30,279 --> 01:23:32,920
This was like an MS YOU related attack, not like

1960
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,640
something we've seen on screen, but just like, oh, the

1961
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,600
Spiderman was finding some guy on the bridge in his hole.

1962
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,279
That's what I thought. I thought was like Hulk even

1963
01:23:40,399 --> 01:23:42,439
anything like. I thought something like that could have been

1964
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,239
a fun reference. But it was just a big asshole

1965
01:23:45,279 --> 01:23:48,039
in the ground or something. So I guess, yeah, we

1966
01:23:48,119 --> 01:23:50,760
got a couple more of those moments when like he

1967
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,159
has to meet the fire chief, so we got got

1968
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:56,000
some more fisk mayor stuff. But I'm being curious if, like,

1969
01:23:56,199 --> 01:23:58,279
I kind of hope he's still mayor and just serious

1970
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,520
season two. I hope it's not like that was always

1971
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,760
my complaint with this because Kay, we meet him season

1972
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,960
one in prison, he breaks out season three, back to prison.

1973
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,079
I hope it's not he's mayor. He's not mayor anymore

1974
01:24:09,079 --> 01:24:10,800
because he did some sady ship, Like I want him

1975
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,479
do the shady ship while he's mayor now, you know,

1976
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,600
and then he's protected. So I kind of hope that, yeah,

1977
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,840
he doesn't get like, you know, booted for you know,

1978
01:24:20,119 --> 01:24:23,000
like killing Daniel, squishing his head. You know, Vanessa left

1979
01:24:23,039 --> 01:24:23,479
my friend.

1980
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:26,359
Speaker 2: You just reminded me.

1981
01:24:26,359 --> 01:24:29,319
Speaker 6: I actually really like the little snippets of just interviews

1982
01:24:29,319 --> 01:24:31,359
that they have with people on like the streets.

1983
01:24:31,079 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 3: Of New York.

1984
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 6: It's like, like, what do you think of the new

1985
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,439
mayor old candidate, like especially the first time that they do.

1986
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,760
Like I think it's like the BB whatever her news

1987
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,920
already report it's just like a different like whatever I

1988
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,680
thought I had, Like an ad, I'm like, is Disney

1989
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:44,920
Plus have fucking ads now?

1990
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,119
Speaker 2: Like Prime? Like fuck this?

1991
01:24:46,359 --> 01:24:48,279
Speaker 6: Like I was getting pissed off, and then I realized

1992
01:24:48,319 --> 01:24:51,039
we're still in the Marvel universe. It was it was

1993
01:24:51,079 --> 01:24:52,800
fun and just some of the interviews that they had,

1994
01:24:53,159 --> 01:24:56,119
some of them were reoccurring, and it just they just

1995
01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:56,880
felt very.

1996
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 2: Real and comedic. There's a guy with like a headband

1997
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,239
that I don't know. I just liked his vibe.

1998
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,319
Speaker 4: It was kind of weird that it would like look

1999
01:25:03,399 --> 01:25:06,800
like the nineties, though, it's like, this is my day, So.

2000
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,560
Speaker 1: I understand now, though you gotta do it, you know,

2001
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,720
four x three, you know, nice film grain on there,

2002
01:25:12,079 --> 01:25:13,840
you know, or that's all she could afford. She's just

2003
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,439
using a camera from the nineties.

2004
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 4: You know that sounds left so Ben's old equipment.

2005
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:23,079
Speaker 1: Yep. Named after her uncle. She said that. She said

2006
01:25:23,119 --> 01:25:24,920
that She's like, oh, bb, I got it from my uncle.

2007
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,800
It's like, okay, I guess great on me.

2008
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 4: So yeah.

2009
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,560
Speaker 1: My last two things I had in my nose notes

2010
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,800
is I absolutely love the scene Fisk had with the

2011
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,000
commission where he's just like eating away on the sandwich

2012
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:38,119
n office is just so good. Oh, you know what,

2013
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:40,319
going to this place, but there's another place right so

2014
01:25:40,399 --> 01:25:44,159
you can see where he's going. Everything. I just love yeah,

2015
01:25:44,199 --> 01:25:46,279
I love like it's kind of like jovial and comedic

2016
01:25:46,359 --> 01:25:48,359
and I get scary and then when he walks up,

2017
01:25:48,359 --> 01:25:50,079
they just give that line of like that was a

2018
01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:56,279
disgusting sandwich. I absolutely loved it. Man, Vincent is so

2019
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,760
good and uh I My my last point too, is

2020
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,239
I hate the new glasses Matt got because when Karen

2021
01:26:02,319 --> 01:26:04,279
and Matt are having dinner at the beginning, they're like, oh,

2022
01:26:04,319 --> 01:26:06,319
he's changed a glass, Like, no, this is a classic,

2023
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,000
and now he has like I don't know, he's looking

2024
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,239
like fucking doctor Octpus with these dog he's got going

2025
01:26:10,279 --> 01:26:13,600
on there. Yeah, they are big. Yeah. My hope is

2026
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,520
that that because it broke up the end episode two,

2027
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,079
he's gonna go with the classic ones because especially like

2028
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,880
I own those Daredevil glasses like that to me is

2029
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,439
the classic look like more like the smaller red around

2030
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,640
the eyes. So that was just a little note, but

2031
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:27,399
he did change it, so it shows up Matt's been

2032
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,600
going through a lot of changes this past year. And

2033
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:33,439
I also didn't mention that he is constantly keeping Foggy's

2034
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,359
funeral pamphlet on him, so he uh, he still needs

2035
01:26:37,399 --> 01:26:40,439
some work to be done there, so hmm, yeah.

2036
01:26:40,399 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 2: Maybe he doesn't know what it is. He is blind rights.

2037
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,239
Speaker 1: And even the heat blind again like Matt Brock is

2038
01:26:49,279 --> 01:26:52,000
not blind at all. Really it's better than him.

2039
01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 3: He can't read, He can't read paper. He needs braille.

2040
01:26:55,399 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: Though, of course. Yeah, but like Foggy's still dead, the

2041
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,359
monny thing it is, Taylor, what do you think he's

2042
01:27:02,359 --> 01:27:04,359
caused like putting in his suit jacket pocket that he

2043
01:27:04,399 --> 01:27:05,119
doesn't know what.

2044
01:27:05,039 --> 01:27:06,640
Speaker 3: It is shopping list?

2045
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:07,239
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2046
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,039
Speaker 3: He can't text Kenny.

2047
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 1: I think they have phones for that. Well then, and

2048
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,000
I think they have phones with braileyemashion. They have computers

2049
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:15,439
with braille.

2050
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,039
Speaker 5: So when they have a phone, like what happens if

2051
01:27:17,039 --> 01:27:19,079
he has an iPhone and it's it's just.

2052
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 1: Think about I imagined they must have accessibility things you

2053
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,000
could hook up to a phone. That would be like

2054
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:25,560
a key, isn't the things you can.

2055
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 4: Like like you get serio to do everything.

2056
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't talk, you can't call He's like called cherry.

2057
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: As somebody attest to that somebody many times, especially when

2058
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,720
I was Landscape. When you use voice text send it

2059
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:40,880
and then all you three fuckers, what.

2060
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 3: Are you talking about? People don't speak as quickly as

2061
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,359
you do, Travis. Like, if someone speaks at a normal

2062
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,279
pace and like pronounce his words correctly.

2063
01:27:49,119 --> 01:27:51,359
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. But I just feel like it's

2064
01:27:51,399 --> 01:27:54,359
not one hundred percent. Especially as a lawyer. You don't

2065
01:27:54,399 --> 01:27:59,640
want to misspeaker say anything accidently, like go off to someone.

2066
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:03,359
Speaker 2: So he's very eloquent when he talks. He's very clear.

2067
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else daredable, Brian, My holes have been filled.

2068
01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:12,279
Speaker 6: I like the the ode to the old intro, just

2069
01:28:12,319 --> 01:28:15,079
with the theme song that that would come in here

2070
01:28:15,119 --> 01:28:18,039
and there. I don't love the new intro, but I

2071
01:28:18,079 --> 01:28:20,960
like the build up of the song, you know.

2072
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: I like it fun LIETL Tribute. Still missed the old one.

2073
01:28:24,039 --> 01:28:25,560
I wish they did that one time and then just

2074
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,520
went right back to the old one. But you know whatever,

2075
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:32,039
it's fine. So you skipped even the first time.

2076
01:28:32,039 --> 01:28:33,520
Speaker 3: He didn't watch what I just did.

2077
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't watch. I skipped it the

2078
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:38,239
second time.

2079
01:28:39,119 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 3: It's no friendly neighborhood intro.

2080
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: No, No, we can't have a rap song, Open Up, Daredable,

2081
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,479
Born Again, you can't see but it can't. He's coming

2082
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:48,520
for your fiddel.

2083
01:28:48,199 --> 01:28:56,399
Speaker 6: Depressed just spoils and that just well, actually, no, Dyl

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is the first time that they played the intro is

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after Grue you died so quick that yeah, before the intro.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, we will now be back every week.

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This is a new entire territory for us. All because

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kirkl and Taror didn't you know review the episodes like

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live was years later than me and Dylan did. The

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bingeball usually be doing this and we're done, but now

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we got uh seven No wait because we had two

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episodes and then there's seven more weeks left. Yeah, because

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if they're doing another two for.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm doing that, right, am I six six weeks?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Six weeks? Yeah, Okay, that sounds I don't know

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somewhere I am. You don't look it up. I hear

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your fingers. Don't got it right, don't doubt them.

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Speaker 3: Just personal curiosity.

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Speaker 1: Okay. He also just pulled the GV calendar. It all

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be there. But yeah, so we'll be here every week

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doing that. So yeah, if you got any questions for us,

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Alvius you can just ask some patroon in general. But

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there's the Dare Devil discord. So in the future, if

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there's somebody want to bring up, we'd love to chat

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about it and give us your thoughts. And yeah, it's

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gonna be I think it's gonna be a fun time.

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I think this is a show that we're having a

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good time. But also I think we all got some

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different feelings on different aspects of the show, so which

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I like, you know, it's all, of course, it's great,

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all coming all. I loved it. I loved it, loved it.

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You know, that's fine. But like I like when it's

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like this and we all enjoy it, but we got

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some stuff going on. Tear you got just a look

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in your eye.

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Speaker 3: I have a look in my eye.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like ran in this episode because it won't be

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boring next to you, hear us