1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Welcome to the three Stories version of The Todd Herman Show. 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:08,359 Story number one, Anna Delvi Sarokin got what Nancy Pelosi, 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,039 Mitch McConnell in half of Wall Street deserve, Story number 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,039 two A fascinating time with Nick Flentes's followers. And story 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,800 number three Kirk Cameron's defenders claim hell is temporary. We'll 6 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:22,920 talk about this with the help of God Almighty. 7 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:29,039 Speaker 2: The Todd Herman Show is one percent disapproved by big 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:36,920 pharma technocrats and Tyrant's everywhere from the high mountains of 9 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:42,000 Free America. Here's the Emerald City exile. 10 00:00:43,759 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: Todd Herman. Today is the day the Lord has made 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,039 in These are the times to which God has decided 12 00:00:53,079 --> 00:00:56,560 we shall live. My wife and I watched a pretty 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:02,280 fascinating and dark and at the end bit's frustrating a 14 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:08,120 program on Netflix called Inventing Anna, and it's about a 15 00:01:08,159 --> 00:01:12,599 young woman named Anna Sorokin who went by the name 16 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,920 Anna Delvi when she was in the business of well 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,120 conning people. And in watching this I could not get 18 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:24,760 away from the fact that while what she did is awful, 19 00:01:27,079 --> 00:01:33,280 the punishment she received is far more then far more 20 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,599 awful crimes and the people who commit them that have 21 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,840 gone on for thirty years in plain sight of everybody watching. 22 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:49,319 And yet there's no Netflix documentary about that. So Anna 23 00:01:49,519 --> 00:01:52,920 is not, I think, an easy person to watch. The 24 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,920 real adis Rotkin comes across to me as completely unlikable, 25 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,159 and yet she has to be able to do something 26 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:04,040 because she was able to con a lot of people. 27 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:09,120 Sixty Minutes Australia looked at this. They looked at cons 28 00:02:09,159 --> 00:02:12,360 across the board. Sixty Minutes looked into Anna. They talked 29 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:14,080 to her people's stupidity. 30 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,879 Speaker 3: Do you feel bad about some of the people that 31 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,719 got burnt along the way? 32 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 4: Can you name me the names of the people and 33 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,479 I'll tell you if I feel bad about them. 34 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,879 Speaker 3: It's not easy interviewing a skilled charlatan. You'ving described as 35 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,520 a con woman, very good con artist. 36 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,039 Speaker 5: I don't see as up as such. 37 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: You don't think you've conned anybody? 38 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:36,479 Speaker 4: No. 39 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,439 Speaker 3: Anna's scam was breathtakingly simple. She pretended to be the 40 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,479 daughter of a German billionaire about to strike it rich 41 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,840 with an imminent inheritance. Her lie was so convincing, New 42 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:56,120 York society welcomed her with open arms. In turn, she 43 00:02:56,319 --> 00:03:02,159 fleeced them upmarket hotels and restaurants, even various Manhattan banks, 44 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,759 out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. 45 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 5: It's like, I had no idea what was going on, 46 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,520 So just like I kind of like. 47 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,879 Speaker 3: Did thanks, So you weren't that calculated. 48 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 5: No, I don't. 49 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,159 Speaker 4: See myself exactly as a latter climber. Now. 50 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 5: I was just kind of doing whatever I wanted at the. 51 00:03:21,039 --> 00:03:25,159 Speaker 1: Time kind of. And yeah, it was hundreds of thousands 52 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:28,520 of dollars. And it pales in comparison to frauds that 53 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,719 go on in a country on a consistent basis, and 54 00:03:31,759 --> 00:03:35,319 those frauds are sometimes absolutely huge. I'll shoe a little 55 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:37,400 bit more of Anna, then we'll go through some actual 56 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,000 punishment that people perceived, and you can compare it for 57 00:03:40,039 --> 00:03:44,080 yourself to Anna. There's no frauds or frauds stir Like 58 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:49,639 Tony Fauci, for instance, the highest paid Pheder government employee ever, 59 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:54,680 is now retired on a pension that would be one 60 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,080 of the highest, if not the highest ever. Since he 61 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,439 was the highest paid. That doesn't begin to count the 62 00:04:00,479 --> 00:04:04,199 money he received in terms of profit sharing with pharmaceutical 63 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:07,080 companies while he was at the National Institute of Health. 64 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,520 And that's undisclosed. It doesn't begin to compare to what 65 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,080 he's received from movie rights and book rights and speaking rights, 66 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,199 et cetera, ad nauseam. And yet it was not Sixty 67 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:22,639 Minutes or HBO or any of the big so called 68 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,040 film studios that released a movie about him. It's Angel 69 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:31,319 Angel Studios. The movie is called Thank You, Doctor Fauci, 70 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,399 and it comes to some extraordinary and very believable conclusions 71 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:39,079 after a great deal of research and exclusive interviews you 72 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,959 will never see anywhere else. When you watch this, you're 73 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:44,879 gonna come away with some knowledge you may not want 74 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,959 to have, but I think it's important that you do have, 75 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,000 because they intend to do these things again. You can 76 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,560 stream this right now at Angel dot com slash herman. 77 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:55,560 That's Angel dot com slash herman, and don't just watch 78 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,399 and consume, become an Angel Guild member that you can 79 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:00,759 vote for movies like this to be made. Movies it 80 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:04,720 demand accountability. Angel dot com slash herman. So this is 81 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,120 an exclusive interview with Anna Delvy her real name Soroken, 82 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:11,439 and she's kind of talking about what happened in her life. 83 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,199 You'll notice a very different look. This woman can put 84 00:05:14,199 --> 00:05:16,319 on looks and take off looks like those of us 85 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:18,759 who are just normal people take off shoes. 86 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,399 Speaker 4: Well, it was like a gradual process, like a lot 87 00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:25,480 of it is so like nothing. There's no single event 88 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,360 that just happened overnight. It's always like one thing led 89 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:32,279 to another, and I was just like trying to make 90 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:35,279 it happen. And I was not completely off. When you 91 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,279 see what happened to the building, to anyone background in 92 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:39,480 you south, now. 93 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: That was this thing that she wanted to build. She 94 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:44,600 was going around trying to raise money for a non 95 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:48,519 existent business, a foundation. Everyone who is being involved in 96 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:51,000 the foundation believed that she was going to be getting 97 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,120 sixty million dollars. So they wanted to get in early 98 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,639 on this. And you're talking about the cream of New 99 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:02,399 York's architecture community, banking community, legal community, chef community. She 100 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,000 had them all lined up and she'd even gotten them 101 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,920 to this position where they were going to purchase that 102 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,600 building for her. So when she's saying it's not far off, 103 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:11,399 that's what that means. 104 00:06:11,439 --> 00:06:14,439 Speaker 4: But it's pretty much a very similar concept of been 105 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,000 trying to create and they made it happen and it 106 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,639 was successful. So it's like nobody can say I was 107 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,759 just like trying to like run some fraud because it's 108 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,439 like the proof is right there. So the way they 109 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,120 define like fraud is the mindset if your intention was 110 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,000 to permanently deprive somebody of funds of property, and that 111 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:36,759 was just never my intention, and nobody can tell me 112 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,560 what my intentions were. It's like, if I had a chance, 113 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,639 like everybody would have been paid back and everybody would 114 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:47,079 have been my whole. I'm not trying to like make 115 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,720 excuses for the bad decisions I'm made in the past, 116 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,480 but it's like it was a viable. 117 00:06:52,439 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: Project and it was yeah when it's back for sixty 118 00:06:54,879 --> 00:07:01,800 million bucks and not just their seed capital, and that 119 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:04,800 core fraud was the fraud she's pretended to have sixty 120 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,480 million bucks. Keep that number in mind. Keep that number 121 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,639 in mind. So she spent about three years and four 122 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:15,240 months in state prison for the criminal conviction. She was 123 00:07:15,279 --> 00:07:17,480 sentenced to four to twelve years in state prison, but 124 00:07:17,519 --> 00:07:19,759 she was a release stump roll for good behavior. She 125 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:23,240 wears an ankle bracelet to this day. Rightly, she lives 126 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,399 now in a luxury building where Elon Musk's one of 127 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:30,240 his so called baby mama's lives. So after she was 128 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:32,680 released in twenty twenty one. She was detained by ICE 129 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,199 for overstaying her visa, about eighteen to twenty months in 130 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,319 immigration detention until October twenty twenty two. All Right, so 131 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,399 she pretended she was going to get sixty million dollars. 132 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:49,079 Our nation pretends to have money. We are three hundred 133 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:54,519 and thirty trillion dollars in debt in real terms, if 134 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,639 you talk about unfunded liabilities, promises we've made to pay pensions, 135 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,839 et cetera, O, bomb care, stuff, solid security, medicare, Medicaid, 136 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:10,040 retirement of federal government workers. Three hundred and thirty trillion dollars. Now, 137 00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:12,959 some of that we could cut. But our government goes 138 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:17,639 around pretending our debt is thirty trillion, just wiping out 139 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,319 all these liabilities. That's fraud. One. Anna was pretending she 140 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,199 was going to get sixty million bucks. She goes to prison. 141 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,639 I asked GROC what is the longest prison sentence for 142 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,919 a stock trader in the United States for not paying debts? 143 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,559 The longest known prison sentence served by a stock trader 144 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,039 in the United States, specifically for not paying debts. Refused 145 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,600 to comply with the court order to turn of her 146 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:45,879 assets to satisfy financial obligations is seven years held by 147 00:08:45,919 --> 00:08:49,320 Martin A. Armstrong. Armstrong is a former commodities and currency 148 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,000 trader and founder of Princeton Economic International. Was incarcerated from 149 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,840 January two thousand to April two thousand and seven on 150 00:08:55,919 --> 00:08:59,879 civil contempt charges contempt of court for refusing to turn 151 00:08:59,879 --> 00:09:03,000 a millions of dollars in gold bars, coins, rare antiquities 152 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,639 that a federal court ordered him to produce connection with 153 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,480 the civil securities fraud lawsuit brought by the US Securities 154 00:09:08,519 --> 00:09:13,639 and Exchange Commission and Commodity Futures Trading Commission. The contempt 155 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:18,200 incarceration was coercive, intended to compel compliance with the asset turnover, 156 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,519 rather than as punishment for a crime. The seven year 157 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,720 period remains one of the longest federal contempts incarcerations on 158 00:09:23,799 --> 00:09:27,039 record for a financial matter. Armstrong was released in two 159 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,000 thousand and seven after a judge determined further detention no 160 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,919 longer served a coersive purpose. He then began serving a 161 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,240 five year a sentence a separate five year criminal sentence 162 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,159 for securities fraud to which the contempt time did not count. 163 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,840 So he was a legitimate trader who legitimately took money 164 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,720 from people. His sentence is a little bit more, maybe 165 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:53,120 twice of what Annas was. I asked this, what is 166 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:55,240 the longest prison sentence served as a result of the 167 00:09:55,279 --> 00:10:00,639 two thousand and eight housing crisis crash? The longest prison 168 00:10:00,639 --> 00:10:02,600 sent in some posed as a direct result of frauden 169 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,279 activities tied to the two thousand and eight market crash 170 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:08,440 and subprime mortgage crisis is thirty years given to Lee 171 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:11,600 Bluntley Farcas in two thousand and one. Farcas, former chairman 172 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:14,840 of the Taylor, Bean and Whittaker TVW, one of the 173 00:10:14,879 --> 00:10:17,159 largest independent mortgage lenders in the US at the time, 174 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:20,840 orchestrated a two point nine billion dollar fraud scheme. This 175 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:24,559 involved selling fake or duplicate mortgages, fabricating documents, and manipulating 176 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,799 records to cover massive shortfalls. The scheme contributed to the 177 00:10:27,799 --> 00:10:29,759 collapse of TVW in two thousand and nine and the 178 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:32,279 failure of Colonial Bank, one of the largest US bank 179 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,039 failures during the crisis. He was also convicted on fourteen counts, 180 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,879 including bank fraud, wire fraud, securities to fraud, conspiracy. Although 181 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:43,240 granted compassionate release in twenty twenty due to COVID nineteen 182 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:50,200 risks after serving nine years two point nine billion dollars 183 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:56,080 nine years, and is going to serve half that, if 184 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:02,799 not more. I asked a question about Congress. That Congress 185 00:11:02,799 --> 00:11:05,279 that pretends our debt is thirty trillion bucks, which it's 186 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,440 threeer than thirty trillion. That Congress, which allows insider trading 187 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:15,639 on a multi time, per day basis. Nancy Pelosi, Others, McConnell, 188 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:19,080 the net Worths exploding. Everybody sees it. There are entire 189 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,360 stock picking devices that do nothing but track Nancy Pelosi's 190 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:27,759 trades and allow you to become a remorra fish on 191 00:11:27,799 --> 00:11:31,159 her trades. And it works, the Nancy Pelosi stock picker, 192 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,559 for instance. You have Wall Street apes, you have unusual 193 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:40,240 whales tracking these things, and they document inside trading on 194 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:45,080 a minute by minute basis. That fraud is never going 195 00:11:45,159 --> 00:11:48,399 to be punished. It used to be illegal, then they 196 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,320 legalized it again and Anna Soroken went to prison. I 197 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,799 asked the question about the longest prison sentence informed on 198 00:11:55,879 --> 00:11:58,960 a former member of Congress, and it was went to 199 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,600 William rush Limb. I used to call him William Coldcash. 200 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,960 Jefferson twenty nineteen Jefferson was convicted on eleven counts, including bribery, racketeering, 201 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,960 and money laundering. The charges stem from schemes in which 202 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,600 he used as congressional influence to promote business ventures in 203 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:17,399 Africa and exchange for bribes, including the infantous discovery of 204 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,440 ninety thousand dollars in marked cash hidden in his freezer 205 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,159 during an FBI raid some other instances. Randy Duke Cunningham, 206 00:12:25,159 --> 00:12:28,159 Republican from California received eight years and four months, served 207 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,840 only seven years for accepting two point four million of 208 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:33,559 bribes from the defense contractors. That's about what Anna will 209 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,879 have spent when you take the immigration stuff into account. 210 00:12:36,279 --> 00:12:40,080 James traffickent Democrat from Ohio eight years, served seven years 211 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:45,320 for bribery, racketeering and tax evasion. Shaka Feta, Democrat from Pennsylvania, 212 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,600 and Stephen Stockman, republic from Texas each received tenures for 213 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:53,519 corruption and fraud schemes, again not far off from what 214 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,639 Anna received, But nowhere in there is their punishment for 215 00:12:57,759 --> 00:13:01,759 Nancy Pelosi, her insider trade Dan Crenshaw, who to this 216 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,679 day pretends he doesn't even have stocks, Mitch McConnell and 217 00:13:06,759 --> 00:13:11,240 his nearly billion dollar net worth. None of this is 218 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:16,519 to defense. What Anna Shrukin did is to ask, do 219 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:22,320 we expect people to ignore circumstances like this when you 220 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,360 have at the very tip top the biggest consistent sin 221 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:33,799 of all Congress Senate powerholders. It's lording the power of others. 222 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:36,960 In the so called secular world, we call it picking 223 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,440 winners and losers. God reminds them to who much has 224 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,399 been given, much is expected. In that way, My defense 225 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,799 for optimism is this, they've already faced judgment. You shall 226 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,759 not steal. Story number two A fascinating time with Nick 227 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:58,240 Fuente's followers. I made a commitment last week because we 228 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:00,840 did a video. My producer out and I and Alex 229 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,600 came on set and we were not reviewing Nick Fronte's 230 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:08,080 work at the time. As I said, and Alex confessed, 231 00:14:08,799 --> 00:14:11,480 neither of us had ever spent any time watching Nick founts. 232 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:15,759 We'd seen curated clips and almost always, of course the 233 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,960 worst of because there's people who post those things, and 234 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,559 Fronts is aware of that. So we did this piece 235 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:28,080 in terms of how older men are trying to understand 236 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,200 Froonte's followers and trying to speak into their lives, and 237 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,279 it was interpreted by a bunch of fans of Nick 238 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,000 as us going and critiquing Nick Frontes and they were 239 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:43,600 really frustrated. How dare you critique Nick when you guys 240 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,639 admit you've never seen a front Ace episode? And it 241 00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:49,720 was I mean, in one hand, it's a misunderstanding. On 242 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,879 your hand, I can get it. They're ultra sensitive about 243 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:55,679 this guy because to them, he's a guy who has 244 00:14:55,759 --> 00:14:58,600 survived the biggest attempt in the world to cancel him. 245 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:00,799 I watched at the he has to have a guy 246 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,960 who goes by epic fail productions on YouTube. He and 247 00:15:06,039 --> 00:15:08,039 I had a conversation in the comment section, and I 248 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,519 had a ton of conversations with a bunch of Nick 249 00:15:10,519 --> 00:15:14,000 Flinte's fans and followers over this weekend, and it was 250 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,960 very illuminating. One of the things he challenged me to 251 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,639 do was to watch a two hour interview. It's a 252 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:23,120 two plus hours interview and it was done by a 253 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:28,080 guy who's who's named Jack Neil, and Jack Neil himself 254 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,919 has almost six million subs on YouTube, which is a 255 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,240 pretty big number. And they sat in a warehouse and 256 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:38,320 they talked and I listened and watched, and my wife 257 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,000 was in the room for some of this, and some 258 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:42,960 of the things I learned about front is this that 259 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:48,519 he is brutally smart. He has a great memory of history, 260 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,159 he's an award winning debater, and he has the crisp 261 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,360 mind of a young guy who can draw up facts 262 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:00,559 and dates, et cetera. But there is a thin line 263 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,440 that worries me. And that thin line has to do 264 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:08,639 with race, which is something that Nick talked about and 265 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:12,320 in a way sort of talked around. My primary concern 266 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,480 in doing all of this is I feel a burden 267 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,879 to talk with young men about being in the world 268 00:16:16,879 --> 00:16:19,559 and not of it. And on the topic of being 269 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,480 in the world and not of it, there's something I 270 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:24,279 want to address right off the bat, which is Nick 271 00:16:24,279 --> 00:16:27,799 Fouinte says he's a Catholic, race Catholic continues to be 272 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,240 a Christian, So there's something I want to say about that. 273 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:31,879 In a second, then i'll talk to you about some 274 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:34,759 of the things I learned in talking to Fonte's followers, 275 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,679 and it's something I want to do more of. I 276 00:16:36,679 --> 00:16:39,639 want to hear more from them, and I encourage every 277 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,279 man my age. If you have a Nick Foynte's follower 278 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,080 in your circle, sit and watch the shows with them, 279 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,720 hear them describe why he appeals to them, because their 280 00:16:50,799 --> 00:16:53,559 souls are in the balance and our nation is in 281 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:56,440 the balance, and they are going to lead. And some 282 00:16:56,519 --> 00:16:58,559 of the things they want to do in leading include 283 00:16:58,559 --> 00:17:02,279 the phrase flip the board to what they don't care. 284 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,680 They've watched a nation that used to have stability and 285 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:10,400 promise become a nation that is being made unstable. And 286 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,880 I think it's on purpose, and they think it's on purpose. 287 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,039 Well I won't say they, but many of them think 288 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:18,319 it's on purpose, and it's being done behind the cloak 289 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:22,160 of racism. Because if we don't allow every person who 290 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:25,400 has any desire to come into America at all, even 291 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,400 if they hate our values, hate our system, hate our constitution, 292 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,880 or come and pretend we don't have our own heritage, 293 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:35,880 if we allow that to continue, they're going to allow 294 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,279 They're going to see the stabilization continue. I don't think 295 00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:43,759 they know there's sneaking stability, but the playing board that 296 00:17:43,759 --> 00:17:45,720 they've been on, that we're told when they were little kids, 297 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,839 here's the playing board. The plankboards shifting and they destabilizing. 298 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,000 There's pieces of the playing board that are falling apart. 299 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:54,680 It used to be that if you moved your little 300 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,880 man on the playing board this way, high school, community college, college, 301 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,039 plant house, whoop, that part of the board's gone. That 302 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:06,160 house part that's gone, that college part. Now unless you 303 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,359 are a female that now make up the majority of 304 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,799 college graduates in college and high schools now designed for females, 305 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,759 boom that drops through the board. And if you're a 306 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,920 young man who has any testosterone and you want to 307 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,640 do anything testosterone heavy or express yourself in that way 308 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,680 at all, that part of the board's now gone. So 309 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,559 you had this game board that was predictable and stable. 310 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,480 You had family, you had church, you had a government 311 00:18:31,559 --> 00:18:35,640 that enabled freedom, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. It wasn't 312 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:40,200 as it wasn't as obsessed with lording their power over others, 313 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,119 which is ungodly. So they have this playing board, and 314 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,759 now there's all the holes in the playing board, and 315 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:49,160 sometimes young men fall through one of those holes, and 316 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,119 that hole might be being labeled a racist. It might be, 317 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:54,799 And that's happened the young men kicked out of school. 318 00:18:54,839 --> 00:18:59,039 Front Dase was banned across platforms for things he said, 319 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,839 and Front days get the things he says. This is 320 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,400 not a dumb man. Nick is a very very smart individual. 321 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,200 You'll get that if you watch this thing we've linked 322 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,000 to in the show notes. But there's something vitally important 323 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,920 that I want to speak into this in terms of 324 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,920 being Christian, and we'll go through some of the things 325 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,599 I learned from these young men, because there was a lot. 326 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,279 One of the things I've learned in my life is 327 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:22,400 young men are not wrong when they say that the 328 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,279 game in America is rigged. They're not wrong. I have 329 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:27,960 a friend of mine who is right now fighting for 330 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:32,400 his life, and he is facing an American healthcare system 331 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,599 that's telling him this. Yes, we told you you need 332 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,759 to have an aordal valve replacement, and you have about 333 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:43,200 thirty days to live because you could die in thirty 334 00:19:43,279 --> 00:19:46,119 days if you don't get this replaced. Okay, well, let's 335 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,960 get a surgery scheduled, right. We'll do that right after 336 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,279 you get a dental appointment. And yes, believe or not, 337 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,200 your mouth health is tied to heart health. That's true. Okay, 338 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,440 so go go get the dental appointment. Dentist says, yeah, 339 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:03,119 I'll do that right after you solve your sciatic pain. 340 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,759 Because I'm not going to do this operation in your mouth, 341 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,160 this procedure until the sciatic pain is solved. Well what 342 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,799 if the siatic pains not solved, Well, I mean now 343 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:19,400 you've got twenty five days. See it's extraordinary to me 344 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:22,039 that in the persons of Renewed Healthcare and port of 345 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,640 Art to Mexico, we've saved three lives people put down 346 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,599 for stem cell treatment and they ended up having an 347 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:33,519 advanced heart screening. It beats EKGs to death. And this 348 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:35,759 has happened three times that people have been down for 349 00:20:35,799 --> 00:20:37,960 getting stem cells. In one case, it was a lady 350 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,039 with her husband. She didn't even tend to get the 351 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,960 stem cells, but she paid for the heart screening and 352 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,440 turned out she needed to have heart surgery the next day. 353 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,640 Two other people, two other people, same story, and in Mexico, 354 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,720 guess what, they can get you into world class hospital 355 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,599 the very next day. Stem cells solve things like a 356 00:20:54,759 --> 00:20:57,759 rectile dysfunction. They solve things like keeping out of surgery. 357 00:20:57,799 --> 00:21:03,079 They can help replace bone and bone cartilage, muscle, tendon. 358 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:06,640 But only the stem cells in part of our renew 359 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,559 dot Healthcare are the world class because that's not allowed 360 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:12,400 in America. Go to renew r E U E dot healthcare. 361 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,079 That's renewed R E and U E dot healthcare. Tell 362 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,319 them you're part of the Todd Hermannshaw family and unrig 363 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,759 your healthcare. So part and parcel of Flantase approach. And 364 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:25,440 a lot of these young men is there Christian to 365 00:21:25,559 --> 00:21:28,319 a degree, because a lot of Christianity has been stolen. 366 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,039 So I want to start with something very very important. 367 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,519 In the body of Christ, there's neither Greek nor Jew 368 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:39,079 servant nor master doesn't exist. So among Christians we are 369 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,440 not to see each other in race. And if you 370 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,480 want to double down on that, how about this regard 371 00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:46,680 no one in the flesh or to think of people 372 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,759 as spiritual entities, because we are because we're headed for 373 00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:54,160 an eternal future. So I worry about the souls of 374 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,240 young men because Nick Flantes expresses himself as a race separatist, 375 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:02,559 that we should be allowed to live among our own race. 376 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,279 And to the degree that you can do that in 377 00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:08,680 a legal sense, okay, front taste makes and he understands 378 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,880 policy very well. He says, Look, if you try to 379 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,000 do that and you have a neighborhood that's too white, 380 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:16,240 the federal government will come in and use Section eight 381 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,880 housing dollars to make sure it un whites and forcing 382 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,359 that change that for sort of large scale change on 383 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,000 neighborhoods and cities and creating these bulkanized areas. It's going 384 00:22:28,079 --> 00:22:32,640 to create conflict rather than organically flowing people. Some people 385 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,480 choose to live in the suburbs, some people choose to 386 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:37,119 live in the cities. But these young men are being 387 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,359 told you can't, but black people can. You can't, but 388 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,640 Somolias Simoonians can take over parts of Minneapolis. Muslims can 389 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,680 take over a city in America, but you can't. And 390 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,880 this is going to breed more frustration and more more 391 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:56,039 more momentum behind fronts who will speak of these things. 392 00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:58,599 Matt van Swall is a really good commentator. He's a 393 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,400 former NASA guy. There's great content, particularly around the flooding, etc. 394 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,599 A big defender of what went on in West Virginia, 395 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,960 people trying to help themselves and the assault the Phedergrunment 396 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:09,599 had there. He wrote this, if I'm being perfectly honest, 397 00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:11,720 I think I'm beginning to lose interests in the will 398 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:15,319 to be tolerant Elon Musk If tolerance means the end 399 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:19,079 of Western civilization, then we cannot be tolerant. That's very binary. 400 00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:23,720 We are to be tolerant because tolerance is a sign 401 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,119 of Christian love, of how Christ defines love. We're therefore 402 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,000 to be tolerant. But that does not mean that we 403 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,240 do not enforce our laws, because just as we're to 404 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,359 be tolerant, other Christians are to be tolerant. And we're 405 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,400 a nation built upon law and order. God is a 406 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,359 god of law and order, not chaos. So again these 407 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,480 young men from the perspective of Fronte saying, we used 408 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,319 to have laws that if you broke into our country, 409 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,680 you were punished then sent home. You weren't lionized in 410 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,480 Trinity heroes. We used to have laws that if you 411 00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:05,039 were arrested ten times, you went to prison for a 412 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:08,559 long while. Now we have people with their seventy ninth 413 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,119 arrest going out and committing hainous crimes. And it's very 414 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,240 easy in social media to point to crimes that are 415 00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:19,319 racially motivated. Think of all the things that's happened on 416 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:25,759 subways and the words the assailant spoke before they took 417 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:30,880 lives racially motivated. So through the eyes of Fonte's followers. 418 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,000 We used to have these things where they go You Boomers, 419 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:35,880 you had that, eugen Xers, you had that. But you're 420 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,279 leaving us with this. And if it's not violence, just 421 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:43,920 look at something else. The disgraced former president of Harvard, 422 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,720 Claudine Gay, is back to giving speeches and she's talking 423 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,000 about what the Trump administration is supposedly doing to not 424 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,359 the institutions, but there's something you can gain on your own. 425 00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 6: The agenda here is about destroying knowledge institutions because they 426 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,400 are centers of independent thought and information. That's what's going 427 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:14,920 on here. That is the story. Nothing justifies that, Nothing 428 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:20,920 explains that other than authoritarians don't like independent centers of 429 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:21,920 thought and information. 430 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, good thing that There are no Christian schools that 431 00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:33,640 do that that are actually more independent. So Harvard's the 432 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,960 place of independent thought, that thought. It was so important 433 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,160 that black men make up a huge percentage of students 434 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,519 in comparison to who would actually get in that they 435 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:50,680 took the game board. It used to be SAT scores. 436 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,200 This is what counts to get into college. You get 437 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,599 a great SAT score, you do some extracurricular things, you 438 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,039 can be considered for a place like Harvard and then 439 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:01,319 Harvard went law and they cut some pieces out of 440 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:04,400 the game board. Well, if you're an Asian male, no, 441 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:07,319 that part of the game board's gone. Push. If you're 442 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:11,720 a white male, boom, that part of the game board's gone. So, 443 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:14,440 whether there were these mountains on the game board or 444 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,799 this thin little police you had to go through in 445 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:17,279 the game board that was difficult to get through. You 446 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:20,400 had to roll a six or something to get through. Well, 447 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,359 unless you're black, in that case you can roll. You 448 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,920 can roll two through six and get in. But if 449 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,960 you're roll a one, you need to roll again. And 450 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:33,039 that's what they did. And these people who are following 451 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,359 front Taste, they're not short on facts because Flint Taste 452 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,960 is a huge source of facts, encyclopedic memory. And this 453 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,599 is just from a two and a half hour interview, 454 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,720 but Clouding Gay mentions the Independent thought. Okay, here's what 455 00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:53,240 the Independent thinkers told us. The Black Lives Matter Incorporated 456 00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:56,960 movement was an organic movement of black people who suddenly 457 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,240 came together out of a great sense of frustration for 458 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:04,960 their country and because they wanted social justice. Here's what 459 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,559 we knew from the very beginning. They were trained Marxists, 460 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:11,000 set out to destroy the United States of America and 461 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:13,160 they were helped along from the Oval Office in Brack 462 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,400 Hussein Obama. And now we see this, a Black Lives 463 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,279 Matter leader has been indicted on dozens of federal fraud charges. 464 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,200 This is not the first time to Sheela Dickerson. This 465 00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:26,079 is from Life Site News. A leader in the Marxist 466 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,839 anti family Black Lives Matter movement is facing dozens of 467 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,640 federal criminal charges. And we're talking here about this woman, 468 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:38,640 Tashella Sherry Amore Dickerson, fifty two, was indicted on about 469 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,519 three point one point five million dollars in fraud, raising 470 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:46,240 money and keeping it for herself as a trained Marxist. 471 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,720 Looking at this from the perspective of Front's followers, but Nicks, 472 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:54,759 the one who's getting deplatformed, clotting gay is giving speeches. 473 00:27:55,319 --> 00:28:00,640 Story number three. Kirk Cameron's defenders claim hell is temporary. 474 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,519 You know, last week we did a video responding to 475 00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:06,799 something Kirk Cameron said and he was talking with his 476 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,839 son and I don't think this is a salvation issue. 477 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,920 I don't think for two seconds that Kurt's going to 478 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:20,200 hell because he thinks hell is temporary. Cameron recognizes Jesus 479 00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:23,440 Christ as the Lord and Savior. No one gets to 480 00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:26,160 heaven but through him, he's one God, part of a 481 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,599 triune godhead. He recognizes one baptism as a significant sign 482 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,160 that you've surrendered to Christ. He talks about the need 483 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,759 to abide with Christ to allow the Holy Spirit to change. 484 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:42,400 Is clearly he's in the business of making disciples, as 485 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,839 we're all ordered to do. Go and make disciples of 486 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,119 all nations, baptizing them and teaching them to obey, and 487 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,160 baptizing the name of the Father's Son and the Holy ghosts, 488 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,680 and teaching them to obey all that Christ is commanded. 489 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,599 So clearly he's doing these things. He's not confused on 490 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,039 the topic of sexuality or same sex act activity, or 491 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:04,599 formication or adultery, none of those things. So I don't 492 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:06,440 think this is the salvation issue, but I think it's 493 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,880 a pretty big issue. And it's interesting to watch his 494 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:14,279 followers come or supporters come to his aid on YouTube, 495 00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,960 and some of them are really interesting challenges the idea 496 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,240 that Hell is forever. So here's what Kirk Cameron said. 497 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,440 Then we'll get to somewhat of the people. Some of 498 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,759 the people who responded in support of Cameron said get 499 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,799 down to it. Yeah, what's your opinion on this? 500 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,559 Speaker 7: So my position as it stands today, and again, the 501 00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:36,720 beauty of this is that we're always learning and growing, right, 502 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,519 So I'm open to new light. If you guys have 503 00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:40,759 a position that you can share with me, I will 504 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:43,599 gladly change my mind. I used to hold the position 505 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,920 of conscious eternal torment because that's just what I was 506 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,079 taught by people that I love and trust. I've learned 507 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,240 that there are other positions, and a very robust argument 508 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:57,599 can be made for conditionalism or annihilationism, as Edward Fudge 509 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,960 posits here, and it it fits the character of God 510 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:09,279 in my understanding more than the conscious eternal torment position, 511 00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:13,240 because it brings in the mercy of God together with 512 00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:16,119 the justice of God. It doesn't leave judgment out. 513 00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: It is just. 514 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 7: But it also fits with the Old Testament picture of 515 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,400 the fate of the wicked, which is to be destroyed. 516 00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:27,039 It is to die, and it is to perish, not 517 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,839 live forever in an eternal barbecue. And the classic verses 518 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,359 that used to get me into eternal torment. You know, 519 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:41,759 the punishment, everlasting punishment, everlasting destruction fits beautifully with a destruction, punishment, 520 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,400 judgment that is irreversible and lasts forever. That is the 521 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,839 eternalness of that punishment and that destruction. So that's where 522 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:50,400 I am today. 523 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:57,079 Speaker 1: Okay, on a big picture, Does disappearing punish you? Is 524 00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:02,240 not being aware of anything because you don't exist. Are 525 00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:06,880 you being punished eternally? No, you've been freed from punishment. 526 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:09,880 You don't exist, so you don't have joy, you don't 527 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,640 get to walk with the Lord. But you don't know 528 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,799 that because you're not there and you'll never be there again. 529 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,400 I fail to see that as punishment. So we'll get 530 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,279 to some of these things that his defenders said here 531 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,440 in just a second. You know, people would look sometimes 532 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:29,160 at in the followers of Christ and even look at 533 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,279 people who were disabled, and they would say, Lord, you know, Rabbi, 534 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,279 who's sinned this this person or their parents that they're 535 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:39,920 in this condition. And Jesus taught that look, wait, wait, wait, 536 00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:42,960 neither of their parents sinned. This is done for the 537 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,920 glory of God and the testing of mercy, for the 538 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,359 opportunity for you to extend mercy and kindness for the 539 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,759 poor disabled and paraphrase, and will always be here with us. 540 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,359 So we have a decision as a society how to 541 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,720 do this, and on a very personal basis, my friend John, 542 00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:00,720 who runs Alan Soaps for his kids for the time being. 543 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:03,839 Because John is going to the Eternal Reward of Christ 544 00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:08,039 sometime next year spring, probably summer, John will breathe his last. 545 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:12,079 He's passing on the company to his wife, teaching her 546 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:16,920 and I run it. Alan Soaps proves that there are 547 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:21,279 people who are disabled, like Allan who is effectively nonverbal. 548 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:25,279 His brother Ian impacted by autism as well. Differently, Alan 549 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:29,400 effectively well, he's been through eighteen operations. He's fourteen. So 550 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,960 now the soap company is not about sympathy. It's not 551 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:35,240 a charity. It's a company found that on selling you 552 00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:38,240 the best soap in the world, made in the Midwest 553 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:40,799 by a family of three generations of soap making expertise, 554 00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:43,720 made with fragrances. You can only get there with the 555 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,759 purpose of selling you the best soap in the world. 556 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:49,240 So they can employ their sons, that's the point, and 557 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,480 not just their sons. Before this terrible news about John, 558 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:55,000 we were employing other people. So we have a decision 559 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,799 to make support this soap company or soap companies that 560 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,000 are just made with chemicals and exploitation. Go to Alan 561 00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:04,160 soaps dot com slash todd you get ten percent off 562 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,799 all their parties. There it's Alan Soaps dot Com slash todd. 563 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:14,240 This comes from mister gross mister gross ism a YouTube nickname. 564 00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:17,039 God specifically kicks Adam and Eve out of the garden 565 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,400 to keep them from eating of the Tree of life 566 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,920 and living forever, And then a million other later, Jesus arrives, 567 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,480 offering the gift of eternal life to anyone who believe. So, 568 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,240 how do you conclude that humans are born immortal? Well, 569 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,680 there's a lot there. Well let's start with this. No, 570 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:35,039 God did not prevent them from eating of the Tree 571 00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:38,000 of the Knowledge of Good and evil. For Eve was 572 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:40,440 deceived by the serpent first ate and then gave him 573 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,000 to Adam, who had failed to properly lead his wife. 574 00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:46,119 And in that way, that's why when the Lord came 575 00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,359 and sought them out, he sought out Adam. He didn't 576 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,200 seek out Eve, because Adam had been called to lead 577 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,480 his wife and he'd failed. And no, that tree did 578 00:33:56,519 --> 00:33:59,519 not offer living forever. It was the Tree of the 579 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,400 Knowledge of good and evil, and that promise was carried 580 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,880 out because Adnom and Eve had never encountered evil, but 581 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,079 they did. And how do I say they were eternal 582 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:13,360 because the first time they ever heard of death was 583 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,719 God said, surely you will die. They never experienced it, 584 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,280 but when they left the garden, they had because we 585 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:26,840 had the first death, the first animal sacrifice. God sacrificed 586 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,800 animals to give them fur to wear, complete with the 587 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,800 smell of blood, for the first time in human history. 588 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,320 They were eternal because God did not introduce death until 589 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,519 they decided to defy God. The Bible, by the way, 590 00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,400 begins in a garden and ends in the garden a 591 00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:49,039 garden Curtis Cooper, five, nine ninety four. The New Testament 592 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,360 things have changed thanks to Jesus. True death is separation 593 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,920 from God. Jesus Christ has abolished death two Timothy one, 594 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,239 verse ten. When we physically die, were no longer are 595 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,840 separated from God in heaven. When we physically die, we 596 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,679 will be in the presence of the Lord. We will 597 00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,119 be judge Hebrews nine twenty seven. This applies to everyone, 598 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:09,679 the righteous and the unrighteous. Everyone. There's no longer a 599 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,360 waiting place in which the righteous and unrighteous weight on judgment. 600 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,280 Judgment is immediate. Hell was the waiting place. It was 601 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,800 as death has cast been cast into the lake of fire. 602 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,719 Revelation twenty verse fourteen two Timothy, verse chapter one, verse ten. 603 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,440 This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, the revealing what 604 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,199 he did, absent from the body present with the Lord. 605 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,000 That is the new Testament, and that applies to everybody. 606 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,880 So my hearing you say everybody will be saved, why abide? 607 00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:42,559 Why not partake? If everything the world has to offer? 608 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,840 I wrote back, I David. Second, Thessalonians one through nine, 609 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,559 where Paul talks about eternal destruction is pretty clear and 610 00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:53,960 isn't a parable more so Matthew twenty four twenty five, 611 00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:56,599 verse forty six, when Jesus said, and these will go 612 00:35:56,639 --> 00:36:00,000 away into internal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life 613 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:03,760 seems unequivocal to me. If we're all saved, why bother 614 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,760 abiding with Christ? Why not go after all the world 615 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,840 has to offer? David music Maker, Amen, Yes, all will 616 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,960 be saved. It's all over the scriptures. But most people 617 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,960 are blind to this truth. And again I go back 618 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,039 and offer him the same verses in the same question, 619 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,280 why bother abiding? If we're all going to be saved. 620 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,719 And why would God make the same deal he did 621 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,800 last time we had heaven on earth, we walked with God, 622 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,280 we decided to defy God and go our own way. 623 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,880 Why would God say I want the new Heaven and 624 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,519 the new Earth to be the same as the old 625 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:39,519 Heaven and the old Earth, with the same mistakes and 626 00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:44,960 the same rogue behavior, defiant behavior. He says right out front, 627 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:48,000 that's not going to happen, because only through Christ do 628 00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,239 we obtain the Father. Jesus Christ said, I'm the Way, 629 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,079 the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the 630 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,440 Father but through me. Okay, how do we do that 631 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:01,719 by obeying all he commanded? And that includes making disciples. 632 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,639 This is from Dennis Reader three one one zero. I'm 633 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:09,079 providing a comment of support for Kirk Cameron. The doctrine 634 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,000 of hell is a place of eternal torment is a 635 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,719 horrendous distortion of scripture fostered by the sixteenth century Catholic 636 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,519 Church to terrorizing Coer's people into buying their church indulgences. 637 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,719 It distorts the symbolic language used in Matthew twenty five 638 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,719 and Revelation twenty to list a couple and removes from 639 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,360 the context of the larger body of scripture, which identifies 640 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,920 God as both just and merciful. To position God as 641 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,280 an eternal tormentor is quite an abomination. It presents him 642 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,239 as using coercion to achieve compliance. This is a totally 643 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,159 one hundred and eighty degree departure from our Father's true nature. 644 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,960 To quote C. S. Lewis, God cannot ravish, He can 645 00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:46,599 only woo his books, screw tape letters, letter eight. Okay, 646 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,159 I love C. S. Lewis. It's not scripture. The scripture 647 00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:55,639 of Psalm thirty seven one through twenty second, Peter two six, Zephaniah, 648 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,639 Jude seven. There's just a few that speak of a 649 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:01,599 nihilistic nature of the wicked. They vanish like smoke, They 650 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,960 become like Sodom and gomore, burn to ashes and become 651 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,840 a wasteline. It's time for the Church to come out 652 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:11,880 of the dark ages. The Catholic Church became very, very corrupt. True, 653 00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:16,519 they did sell indulgences, true massive sin, massive false teaching. 654 00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,320 I'm sure that unless they repented, there was eternal punishment 655 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,719 for that. But notice something where you're pretending to call 656 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,719 Matthew twenty five and Revelation twenty you're saying that this 657 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,960 is just symbolic language. But then you go on and 658 00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,639 take a phrase like vanish, like smoke burn to ashes 659 00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:39,360 as non symbolic. Let's play your game. It's non symbolic. 660 00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:50,599 When smoke vanishes, the particles disappear. No, they become so 661 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,760 diffuse we can't see them any longer. When you burn 662 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:01,920 something to ashes, that matter is gone, right, it's changed. 663 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,760 Does ice in a warm room disappear? No, Ice in 664 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,760 a warm room becomes water. On a hot continer, it 665 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,360 becomes steam. So often to play your game on this 666 00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:26,119 even there, the very scripture you're quoting as non imagery 667 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,360 backs up the point of view that the matter is 668 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:35,000 still there a wasteland. It's still a land. It just 669 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:39,559 doesn't bear any fruit. Kirk Cameron is not I think 670 00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:42,079 flirting with hell. I worry that when you start to 671 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,480 depart the Word of God because it hurts your feelings 672 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,679 or it's hard to imagine loved ones who never came 673 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,800 to Christ being in hell forever. I think it's a 674 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,079 relatively short walk to some other things making you uncomfortable 675 00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:59,480 in scripture. Scripture should make us uncomfortable because it's the 676 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,679 word of God and Being a Christian is not easy. 677 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,119 This is the Todd Herman Show. Please go, be well, 678 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,400 be strong, be kind, and please make every effort to 679 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:10,039 walk in the light of Christ.