WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:07.320 Well whiskey, come and take my pain, the moneys my way, 2 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:08.480 o whiskey. 3 00:00:09.439 --> 00:00:12.240 Don't why think alone when you can drink it all 4 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:14.839 in with Ricochet's Three Whiskey Happy Hour. 5 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:19.679 Join your bartenders, Steve Hayward, John, You and the international 6 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:23.160 woman of Mystery, Lucretia. 7 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:28.480 Where this laps it happen? David, ain't you easy on 8 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:32.000 the should tap? Got to give me and let that 9 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:32.840 whiskey bloon. 10 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:37.799 Welcome everybody to this really super super special edition of 11 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:42.119 the Three Whiskey Happy Hour. We are actually taping this 12 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:44.799 at a time when all of us can drink whiskey. 13 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:48.399 Is anybody drinking whiskey? I see that John has in 14 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:52.200 his mouth a what kind of a cigar? Is as 15 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:52.679 a Cuban? 16 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:57.520 Okay, Dominican? 17 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:02.719 Dominican? And Steve is drinking something out of a stemless 18 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:05.840 wine glass? Yes, and what is that something? Steve? 19 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:08.799 You know what it is? 20 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:10.079 In a wine glass? 21 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:13.000 You can drink whiskey out of glass like this. 22 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:15.519 I had a Scotch. I just put it down something 23 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:17.640 like it was a fifteen year killed Kenny. I don't 24 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:21.799 know what I've had it before. Yeah, it comes from 25 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:27.120 our unnamed host, from our secret undisclosed location where I 26 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:32.239 have actually successfully kidnapped from the festivities. A secret, double 27 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:34.840 secret probationary guest, And. 28 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:40.959 That double secret probationary guest is our good friend and 29 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:46.079 expert on all things religious freedom. Phil Munos from Notre 30 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:47.719 Dame and Texas. Right. 31 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:50.200 Great to be with you, guys. 32 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:53.400 Yes, I'm a visiting professor at the University of Texas. 33 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.280 My home school is the University of Notre Dame. 34 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:59.040 And what are you drinking, mystery guests? 35 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:04.200 I was drinking a very nice tenure port. I don't 36 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:08.120 remember the name, but it was a tiny port. 37 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:09.199 It was quite quite lovely. 38 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:13.240 Yeah, women don't drink port. You know, it's not allowed, 39 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.319 really really, yeah, it's a man thing. You're supposed to. 40 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:19.439 Women are supposed to go do something, and the men 41 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:22.759 go to the study, the library, whatever. 42 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.159 You know, when the women, when the women leave in 43 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:27.360 those British TV shows, where do they go and what 44 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:27.960 are they doing? 45 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:32.360 I'm not quite sure matter because they're not funny, and it. 46 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:35.039 Doesn't it doesn't matter. Who cares is what it cans? 47 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:39.639 Phil, You poor man the crossfire here. I hope you 48 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:41.319 survive well. 49 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:44.319 Phil has some complaints. We're going to get to momentarily. 50 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:47.240 But the theme for tonight. 51 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.360 But the but the complaints are all about Lucretia and reviews. Oh, 52 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:52.479 get in the fox all that. 53 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.719 Yeah, I'm open. I am. I am so confident in 54 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.520 the rightness of my views that I will take all comers. 55 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:03.240 But before we get that far, I want to talk. 56 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:05.800 So we thought, what a couple of weeks ago that 57 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.400 we were done discussing the Judiciary and we could spend 58 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:12.759 the summer discussing our favorite books and all that other 59 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.520 nonsense that we talk about talking about over the summer 60 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:16.280 when we had time. 61 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:18.879 Progressive Rock. Don't forget the four No. 62 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:21.159 I told you, Steve, I'm signing off if you say 63 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:26.919 another word. Ugh, and anyway, So so Steve said, yeah, 64 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:28.719 I think we need to talk about the Judiciary a 65 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:30.479 little bit more. And I agree with him because some 66 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.560 stuff has happened since we last got together. 67 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:35.599 We thought we were done with the Supreme Court for 68 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:36.759 the summer, but no. 69 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:39.960 Thought and we were going to talk about our favorite books. 70 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:42.759 But we're not. We're going to talk about the judiciary, 71 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:45.560 and maybe next week we'll talk about our favorite books. 72 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:50.240 So let's start with the really important one, just right 73 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.319 off the top. That is important and isn't important at 74 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:57.400 the same time, it's the eight to one decision by 75 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.639 the Supreme Court that, as a matter of fact, it's 76 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:06.960 probably the case that the president can indeed fire employees 77 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:10.199 in the executive branch at work for him. Correct, John, 78 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:15.360 They're likely to come out on the merits with that decision. 79 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:22.120 So I think the case is actually less significant constitutionally, 80 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.879 but maybe more significant politically than you would get if 81 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:29.399 you're just reading the media reports. So the Court's decision 82 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.800 is really about controlling these trial judges, right the seven 83 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.879 hundred and fifty trial judges running around the country trying 84 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:40.639 to stop the Trump agenda. The grounds, though, are not 85 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.279 what we're hoping for, which is, oh, this is going 86 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:46.040 to be the case where the Court says the president 87 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.600 can fire every single person in the executive branch. 88 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.040 And overturn Humphrey's executive Humphrey's executor. 89 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:53.240 And you know what, we should ask Phil what he 90 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:56.120 thinks about Humphrey's executor because he has so many unorthodox 91 00:04:56.199 --> 00:05:00.439 views from true conservative belief. You know the thing about 92 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:06.040 this case, I think is this judge down below said 93 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:09.560 Trump can't fire anyone in the entire executive branch I 94 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:13.680 enjoying you from firing anyone. They lifted that, and so 95 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:17.079 what can happen is Trump can fire somebody, but there's 96 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:20.279 a legal process set out in a statute that says, okay, 97 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:23.199 if you're a federal employee, then you file agrievments and 98 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.480 one of the agreements is can be you were fired illegally. 99 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:29.319 And there's this whole process, this whole judicial process created 100 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.279 to hear those claims. And so all the Supreme Court 101 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:34.480 could be doing because we don't know yet because all 102 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:37.279 they did was lifted this injunction is just say okay, 103 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:41.439 now you fired federal employees, go use this process and 104 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.519 then once you're done, it can come to the Supreme Court, but. 105 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.480 They remain fired, right or do most of it. 106 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:51.879 Well, when you go through this process, you can get 107 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:53.240 your job back at the end of it. 108 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:54.560 If you are fired at any point. 109 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:56.360 Yeah, so it could take years. 110 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:00.199 Yeah, it could take but in the meantime, in the meantime. 111 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.920 In the meantime, you're not coming to work, right. 112 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:04.879 But if they if they win their case at the end, 113 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:05.920 then they probably. 114 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:08.480 Get better and they get reinstated. They can get reinstated 115 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.439 even but that if that's all that happens. Then you 116 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:15.240 don't get the constitutional challenge of Humphrey's executor. You just 117 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.720 get the Supreme Court saying, Congress set up a process 118 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:19.560 for you, just like you and I might have a right. 119 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:22.439 You know, if Lucretia's fired to the mass you know, 120 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:25.560 applause of all the professors in their department, Well, I 121 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.360 get fired. Right. We have a procedure that's set up 122 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.839 by the law where we you know, file our grievments 123 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:31.240 and then. 124 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:36.399 The court that I've been fired three times in the 125 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:37.079 last month. 126 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:43.160 That's all three times. That's all. Like I said, that's all. 127 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:49.360 I never got fired Lucretia. Well, Ucritia, I, given all 128 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:51.079 the things you say, I would have thought you've been 129 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:52.959 fired at least once a year every year for the 130 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:54.600 last twenty five years. 131 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.279 I guess it finally caught up with say anyway, but 132 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:00.519 anyway we can. 133 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.439 I just add politically, it's more important because, as you're suggesting, 134 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:07.040 it allows Trump's agenda to try to slim down the 135 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:10.240 federal workforce to move forward. This is really the lesson 136 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:13.480 from the nationwide in junction case. The Supreme Court is 137 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:17.040 not going to tolerate single judges trying to control all 138 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:21.680 policy throughout the executive branch. That's the real constitutional issue. 139 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:26.160 But go ahead, phil Yeah, no, no, go ahead, please 140 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:26.959 ye Phil. 141 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:29.560 Well, I was going to say. The shocking thing to 142 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:33.279 me is not the legal argument necessarily. It was this 143 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:38.800 drama over Katanji Brown Jackson dissenting from the opinion and 144 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:40.839 summoning so do. 145 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:41.680 My or to say. 146 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:45.879 I mean, if you're read between the lines of saying, 147 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:48.079 do you even know what this case is about? I 148 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.079 mean it was an eight to one decision, and so 149 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.120 Jackson said, oh, I have to dissent because I you know, 150 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:56.839 I have opinions, as she explained in some interview here recently, 151 00:07:57.160 --> 00:07:59.399 and I need to share my opinions with the world. 152 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:00.920 And I'm thinking that. 153 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.600 So, first of all, it was a stupid dissent. We'll 154 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:06.680 just say that on the marriage. But secondly, talk about 155 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.319 not reading the room and not knowing your audience and 156 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:12.920 when you're losing Soda Mayor and having Soda Mayor publicly 157 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.160 saying the issue you're complaining about are not before this court, 158 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:17.759 which is like did you even. 159 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:18.279 Go to law school? 160 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:21.279 I mean, it's unbelievable, and you know it shows once 161 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:24.600 again that Biden did us a oddly enough a backhanded 162 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:29.079 favor by appointing someone who has no cloud even with 163 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:30.920 the other liberal justices on the court. 164 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.440 I mean, let's remember that back in the glory days. 165 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:36.840 Of people like Tony Kennedy and David Souter, you know, 166 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:39.519 people like Kagan. I guess you came after those guys 167 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:40.759 are one of them anyway. 168 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:40.639 But. 169 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:48.480 Ginsburg and Briar and Kagan were very good at crafting 170 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.080 arguments to try and pull the centrist Republicans toward the 171 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:53.039 middle or even toward. 172 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:54.200 The left, with some success. 173 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:57.320 And instead you now have Jackson who not only is 174 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:01.039 going to anger the Republicans, but she's clearly anchoring even 175 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:04.399 the people from her own party. And that takes real talent, 176 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.559 and for that I salute Joe Biden for his splendid pick. 177 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:10.440 Bill. 178 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:12.639 Can I ask a question here on Jackson, do you 179 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:18.159 guys think she is has thought through why she's sticking 180 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:20.360 out this ground by herself. Is she trying to be 181 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:23.480 the far left justice that is just going to say 182 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:27.399 and take positions in a way just to take them 183 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:31.039 to set up the left side of the court. 184 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:34.399 Yes, So let me Steve made reference to an interview 185 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.440 we were talking about before you guys came on to 186 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:40.519 This was an ABC interview she did July fifth, something 187 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:45.519 like that, I am aware that people are watching. They 188 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:47.759 want to know how I'm going to because she's the 189 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:50.279 first black woman on the court, how I'm going to 190 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.679 perform in this job. And I'm doing my best work 191 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:55.399 as well as I can do, because i want people 192 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:58.600 to see and know that I can do anything, just 193 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:03.279 like anyone else. And then she says, when it's pointed 194 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:06.759 out that she's been in descent the most often, we 195 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:10.399 have very different opinions, and it's a tradition of the 196 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:14.039 Court that justices get to voice their opinions in the 197 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:20.200 context of their opinions and writings. She's chelling her camel 198 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.399 Anda ding Dong there, right, But but there's a more 199 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.399 serious point there based you know, back to what you said, Phil, 200 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:32.080 She thinks that her role on the Supreme Court is 201 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:36.519 just to promulgate leftist propaganda. Her opinion is the left 202 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.759 is right, so therefore that's what she ought to be doing, 203 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:41.759 and if she has to be in descent to do 204 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.399 it and talk more than anybody else in oral arguments, 205 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.480 that's what she's going to do well. 206 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.720 I think there's also there's ginsburg syndrome has gone to 207 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:53.759 her head. Remember how the Left made Ruth Bader Ginsburg 208 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:57.440 is great celebrity, you know, notorious RBG. You know, they 209 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:00.840 had movies about her and T shirts, and it was 210 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.039 one of the reasons I think Ginsburg decided to hang 211 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:06.759 on so long. You know, an ordinary justice. I think 212 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.399 President Obama, as he tried to do with Ginsburg, an 213 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.000 ordinary justice you could have could have persuaded to step down. 214 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:14.399 But I think Ginsburgh thought she was this larger than 215 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:17.200 life celebrity in a way that Kagan and Soda mayor 216 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:19.799 never will be and probably don't want to be actually, 217 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:23.120 And so I think Jackson's making the same mistake as Ginsburg, 218 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:26.799 except she doesn't have even half of Ginsburg's intellectual firepower. 219 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:31.519 So she's writing to be known, to have a brand, 220 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:33.159 to be a personality. 221 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.360 Yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, you know. 222 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:38.279 Honestly, though, the Left is just so far gone and 223 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:46.559 the people they are celebrating these days, Jasmine Crockett, AOC Mendammy, 224 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:48.840 What the hell is his name? Why can't people have 225 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.840 normal names that I can remember? I like Namesbreag Phil 226 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:55.440 and Steve and John and Mark and Scott. I don't 227 00:11:55.480 --> 00:12:00.519 want to hear any more. Mendmid mom. What's that justice today, Judge? 228 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.519 We saw mammy Wammy, Whammy, Sammy Dammy trimmed down. 229 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.440 This is this is why Lucretia is gonna get fired 230 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:07.960 next week. 231 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:09.559 I don't care. 232 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:12.200 Actually, I think she's been prospectively fired for what she 233 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:13.799 will say. You have to listen. 234 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:19.639 Wait a minute. Both my family and my husband's family, 235 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:25.159 when they came over as immigrants, they made their names American. Okay, 236 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.519 why can't these people come over and have American names? 237 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:32.879 You know? Why can't they go for me, Bob Dylan. 238 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:37.480 That's worse than that, Lucretia. They are Americans born and bred, 239 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.559 and they deliberately make up weird fake names. Right, that's 240 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:43.480 even worse is and then it's not like they came 241 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.679 here and didn't anglicize their names. 242 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:47.039 They ready had. 243 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.200 For the listeners who aren't wondering what we're talking about, 244 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:54.240 because this is something that broke late today Thursday. Federal 245 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:59.720 judge who said something about can I arrest people outside 246 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:01.639 home people or something like that, But the name of 247 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:04.279 the federal judge is and again I a little bit 248 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:06.399 with the cretia here is hard to pronounce. It looks 249 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:11.919 like it's Mammy Woosie mensa fri so Judge I like 250 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:13.879 it anyway. 251 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:16.080 So still, did you ever what is. 252 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:21.320 Who knows sounds? Is that a Filipino name? 253 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:23.480 You look it up? While I asked Philip question, did 254 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:25.879 you ever see on the big thing on social media 255 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:29.639 somebody saying Who's who? Are you kidding that that the 256 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:33.879 Apostles had name like names like Mark and Andrew? Those 257 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:34.759 are white names. 258 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:35.720 Who thinks. 259 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:39.240 Reast? 260 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:44.879 Someone wrote that, yes, okay, sorry that we just got 261 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:47.559 way for Philip. I'm sorry, but there's the answer to 262 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.039 your question. Phil I do think she wants to stake 263 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.360 out a position and be be the be the unthinking 264 00:13:54.440 --> 00:14:00.799 leftist like AOC. I honestly think that the the left 265 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:04.159 is celebrating people that are dumb on purpose. You know, 266 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:08.759 AOC's dumb, Jasmine Crockett's dumb men Dommy day, Mommy couldn't 267 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:09.639 get into Colombia. 268 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:15.320 They're both they're the two women are undeniably attractive, that's 269 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.799 part of it, isn't And they're undeniably racial minorities. 270 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:23.320 Listen, fat. 271 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:28.279 But but but they that's what they choose in their spokespeople. 272 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:28.519 Right. 273 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.879 They want a kind of racial celebrity, right, I mean, 274 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:36.559 like your favorite the what did you call her? I 275 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:43.759 can't remember her name, Kareem Jean Paul Sartre's. I'm sorry, 276 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.399 I forgot that. I shouldn't have actual you know what? 277 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:47.559 This is? 278 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.039 The old Lucretian has shown up tonight because the two 279 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:52.679 three weeks ago she was saying nice things. 280 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:54.919 About Kareem, John Pierre Paul, Right, that's. 281 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:59.559 Just you know, I was saying nice things about about. 282 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:06.080 Roberts You like you were like in a very good 283 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:07.440 mood that night or something, because it. 284 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.720 Was no unlike most people. I am. But I'll give 285 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:15.480 John credit for this too. I am fair if I 286 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:19.399 I somebody isn't right, because I usually agree with them 287 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:22.000 or I'm on their side. If they make the right argument, 288 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.120 I will support them. And if Jasmine Crockett or Kittie 289 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:31.440 could ever actually articulate a thought, I might agree with it. 290 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:35.080 It's not beyond the realm of possibility. But uh, I 291 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.480 never I haven't heard one yet. I really like the 292 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.679 name that the White House gave to Jasmine Crockett. Did 293 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:44.600 you hear that? It's my favorite jasmine jellyfish because she 294 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:50.159 has the brain of a jellyfish. Is that great? Okay? 295 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:53.840 Our good friend Phil, who usually thinks I'm absolutely right 296 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:55.960 about everything, has a bone to pick with something I 297 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:59.000 said a couple of weeks ago. Of course, that's when 298 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:01.519 he's right. He's probably not right here, but we're going 299 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:05.000 to give him a chance to explain himself. He didn't 300 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:09.360 like my explanation, or perhaps it was my analysis of 301 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:12.480 the mood case having to deal with whether or not 302 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:17.919 parents could opt out of having their children learn their 303 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.840 their five year olds learn about sex transitions. And it's 304 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:25.480 so awfully I can't even talk about it. But please 305 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:27.840 explain to our listeners because it will make some of 306 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:30.879 them very happy for them to hear somebody sam wrong 307 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:33.440 what it was I got wrong on that? Phil? 308 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:36.200 All right, So here here, here's my dick. 309 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:39.159 And let me just say, usually, you guys and listening 310 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:42.639 to you, have my earbuds in in my basement gym 311 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:47.600 doing squats and deadlifts, and then John says something outrageous 312 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:49.759 and I'm afraid I'm going to hurt my back, and 313 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:52.840 so it's I notice. 314 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.200 How Phil threw in there. There is an enormous body. 315 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.559 Yeah, so it's great to be with you. I listen 316 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:02.759 every week every week, so you. 317 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:05.079 You and the other for Straussians who went to Claremont 318 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:06.680 McKenna have wives. 319 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.160 Okay, mood, my mood. 320 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:16.240 So I actually think this was a defeat for social 321 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:21.160 conservatives and no one agrees with me on this. And 322 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:24.680 here's the thing. If you read the case, the books 323 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.160 that were in these schools, and these are I have 324 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:32.519 a second grader, Uh, these books are being talked to 325 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:37.039 second graders, really young kids. They're terrible, and it's shocking 326 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:39.480 if you actually go in and that. There's lots of 327 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:42.519 details in the case, in the in the opinions they 328 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:44.880 write about what these books are. And I think most 329 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.759 most parents, most Americans would be shocked if they saw 330 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:50.920 that these books were being taught or read to or 331 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:56.079 made available to really young kids and the parents were objecting. 332 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:59.559 In fact, so many parents were objecting that this too 333 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:04.400 was in in the case that the reason they thought 334 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.119 parent opt outs were unworkable is because so many parents 335 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:12.400 were objecting. What I see going on is these parents saying, 336 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.599 we don't want this stuff, this nonsense in our schools. 337 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:17.759 And I think. 338 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.799 If the court did not step in what would have happened? 339 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.279 And I think justice so Tomor is right here. 340 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:28.799 Say that again, did you know, get it under his breath? 341 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.319 So I went that on the record. 342 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:34.000 I think justice so too. My Or was right that 343 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:40.160 these things are handled democratically, which means that the parents 344 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:43.400 were outraged and they were going to go after control 345 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.119 of these schools. And when I think is going to 346 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:50.279 happen now that the parents won, Supposedly the parents can 347 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:53.079 opt out, but these books are still going to be 348 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:56.640 in the schools, and so like, what's going to happen 349 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:57.039 next year? 350 00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:58.920 Okay, your kids, if. 351 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:02.960 You don't want you your kids don't have to be 352 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.640 exposed to these books, but all their friends are going 353 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:06.880 to be exposed to their books. 354 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:07.839 And these books are. 355 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:10.839 Still going to be in the schools. And if winning 356 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:15.359 is the books are still in the schools, that's not winning. 357 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:20.480 Yeah, I see that point. You know, I've had a 358 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:23.039 parallel argument. I think it's parallel argument over the years 359 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:27.000 about California's initiative process going back forty years more than 360 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.799 that of fifty years now. Conservatives have won at the 361 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:33.680 ballot box, often Prop thirteen, most famously, But you'll Prop 362 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:35.720 two oh nine, you can go down the list of them. 363 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:36.960 You were around for some of those, you were in 364 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:40.079 graduate school, right, And I often used to say, if 365 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:44.279 you didn't have that safety valve, then maybe the people 366 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:46.680 of California would have voted differently because they would have said, 367 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:48.519 wait a minute, we don't want our governor, you know, 368 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:51.039 to not give us our money back and so forth, 369 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.759 and so it deludes political accountability. 370 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:55.680 So the parallel here, I get your point. 371 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:59.119 The parallel here is you've given a safety valve to 372 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:02.839 parents to opt out, and good for them, and I 373 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.559 guess they'll fill the asset. Sorry, I think I like 374 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:06.839 the logic of your argument, and. 375 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:08.319 I agree with it. 376 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:13.119 The counterpoint would be, how did the education establishment react 377 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:16.440 well with horror? Because they see this as an assault 378 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:20.759 on their overwhelming control and compulsion of public schools. They 379 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.720 see it as another step towards school choice and the 380 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:26.680 disaggregation of the public schools. 381 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:27.759 And the extent that's right. 382 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:31.720 I think that's an argument in favor of the opt 383 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:33.440 out as a baby step towards things. 384 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:35.640 But I think that maybe you're right. 385 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:37.920 So Di my or threw down a gauntlet that our 386 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:39.279 team should have picked up and run with. 387 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:45.240 So wait a minute, So my oarse said some dumb 388 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:47.960 stuff about if they don't like their kids in school 389 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:54.160 in public school, take them elsewhere. Well, right, let's not 390 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:57.200 forget that. So let me make the counter argument that 391 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:01.440 I think makes more sense, Steve. And counter argument is 392 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:09.039 that everything, everything was moving in one direction having to 393 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:16.400 do with transgender, transgender things in women's sports, and you know, 394 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:19.359 across the board, the Biden administration was shoving it down 395 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:23.640 our throats in every possible way. And then Trump comes 396 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:27.880 along and he says, Kamala Harris is for they them, 397 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:31.680 I'm for you, which you know everyone says. It is 398 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:34.720 like one of the turning points in the campaign. I 399 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:39.119 don't know, but since that time we have seen a 400 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:44.279 steady erosion, or at least a stopping of the forward 401 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:49.559