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Speaker 1: What is up? Fellas it goes on Dan for Valley

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coming at you with another twenty twenty five twenty twenty

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six NBA season look ahead. We're onto the Atlanta Hawks,

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which means I have the distinct pleasure of being joined

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by Lauren Williams covers the Hawks for the agec Ajac

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excuse me, does a fantastic job doing it. She's back

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for this is year four, year three for you, So

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now it's a fair You're four for coming back on.

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Thank you so much for being here. How the heck

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are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. It's it's really good to be back.

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I mean, year four, this is gonna be a good year. Obviously,

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we're gonna be talking about it. I just I can't

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believe the fact that the Hawks are a team that

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is being talked about to be in the top five,

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top six. Just unreal, unreal.

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Speaker 1: This team's gonna be fun for me to talk to

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you about because I've been told that I'm just too

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high on them based off stuff that we've recorded, like

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my Coast and I previously in the offseason. So this

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is either gonna be validation or a reality check for me.

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This is why I'm very excited to get clarity on this,

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so I want to start here, though, What was your

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biggest takeaway from last season? Giving how just everything sort

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of unfolded injuries again, like the weirdo rotations, What was

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just your single biggest takeaway from last year?

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Speaker 2: They really need Jalen Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Was that your biggest takeaway from the season to sports?

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Speaker 2: I don't know about the season before, but definitely last season,

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just because how good they started the season. Obviously, Jalen

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had a couple of games to begin last year that

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were kind of shaky, but once he got his footing

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under him, they kind of took off. I mean at

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some point, you know, early in those first twenty to

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thirty games, they were in top four, top five team,

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which blew my mind. And I didn't expect I always

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said last name, I didn't expect the Hawks to be

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a good team, but I expected them to be a

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fun team, and so for them to kind of package

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it and do both. They were a team that went

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all the way to the semifinals of the NBA In

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Season Tournament or NBA Cup, losing to the Bucks who

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eventually won it. I just thought that they were gonna

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like kind of climb. I remember writing a story about

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how the Hawks were a team that were knocking off

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giants and that was all because they had Jalen Johnson

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in the mix, just because when they won that first

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NBA Cup game, they didn't have Trey Young, but Jalen

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Johnson and Dinston Daniels were just kind of steering the

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ship and keeping them right. And they were really really

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fun and actually good and entertaining to watch. And then

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he got hurt and it's like everything kind of imploded. Obviously,

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they got krsel Vert, George Niang and Terrence Mann at

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the trade deadline, but those moves just weren't enough to

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kind of, you know, get them back into that playoff conversation.

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They kind of flamed out in the play in and

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here we are in the off season and you look

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back and you're like, yep, the turning point of that

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season was them losing Jalen Johnson.

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Speaker 1: What do you think He's what has impressed you the

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most about how he's improved the past couple of years,

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That being Jalen Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just I know this word gets

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used a lot in the NBA, but his versatility, I

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think the one thing that's holding him back is that

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inconsistent shot from three. But the fact that he can

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do it all is such a huge X factor for

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the Hawks. He's a great target for Trey Young in

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the pick and roll, he can create his own shot,

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he can push the ball in transition. He was honestly

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a huge part of why the Hawks's pace was so

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fast at the beginning of last season. His defense can

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be you know, hit or missed sometimes, but for the

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most part, he's a depend double person that you can

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turn to on the defensive side of the ball. And

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so I think the fact that he's did all of

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that and was still, you know, at the point before

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this you know injury happened, he was under the age

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of twenty three is huge. So that tells you that

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he still has a pretty high ceiling. So I think

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the big thing is that if he can stay healthy,

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and that's always you know, the caveat and the NBA,

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right is if so so can stay healthy, you know,

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big things are going to happen for him. I think

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he has the makings of a guy that can be

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a perennial All Star. I mean last season he was

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in the conversation for most improved early on before the

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injury happened, And so I definitely think he's a guy

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that can be somebody who, you know, if the Hawks

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ever get into a spot where they're consistently in the playoffs,

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consistently in the conversation for you know, making it to

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the NBA Finals, he could be a guy that could

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have maybe MVP, you know, congress around him. But the

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caveat is can he stay healthy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And I think you also hit it with the

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three point shot too, where I think he's at like

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thirty four percent on catching shoots over the past two years,

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and that number can come up to like even thirty

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seven becomes a big deal. And I think if we

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would have had this cup, which we probably did, had

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this conversation two years ago, I would have actually wondered,

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can he be the type of playmaker that doesn't need

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the full floor type of runway or operating off movement

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think is just kind of the biggest thing that's popped

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to me over the past two seasons, is like if

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you want him to use a ball screen or create

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from a dead stop and like do things in the

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half court you know, the lineups without Trey are what

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they are, but like in general, him being able to

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do that is not I don't know if I would

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have said I didn't predict it, but he's definitely like

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the player from two years ago where I was kind

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of questioning or a year and at whatever it was,

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can he do that? I have no question that he

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can do that now, which is kind of huge, especially

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when you look at which is now. I want to

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ask you about like what they did over the offseason

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to where you've now added more spacing around Trey Young,

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Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson, Just in general, what did you

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make of their off season though, and what it says

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about their direction? My bonus question would be is what

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does this front office have on the Pelicans? Like what

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is the dirt? What's the tea there? And by the way,

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I was ready to probably crucify the Hawks this past

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off season because it didn't look like the front office

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was like going to have like any decision makers in

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place at one point, and so they go from that to, oh,

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this team might have had like one of the two

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or three best off seasons in the league.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if we could like back up to that office,

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the front office talk for a second. I don't think

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anybody was, at least in Atlanta, was truly surprised when

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they moved on from from Landry Fields, just based on

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you know, his first couple of seasons. Obviously he had

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a huge you know off season and getting Dyson Daniels,

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and part of that could be having you know, a

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c stillat kind of there to help advise and you know,

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with all the things that maybe he Landry feels wasn't

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necessarily strongest at. I think we were all more so

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surprised with the timing. I thought that you know, him

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getting Dison Daniels would have gotten him at least another year,

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especially just based on sort of like trajectory wise in

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terms of the Hawks having at least a somewhat improved

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looking team, even though again they were still a playing team.

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after we had exit interviews. Talked to Landry about how

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the season ended in him kind of talking about you know,

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the front like ownership having fathing him. Only a couple

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of days later for them to say thank you for

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your services goodbye. I think that's what kind of shocks everyone.

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But you know, them getting Auntie Sillay and then you know,

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we're more so promoting Auntie sill and then saying that

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they were still going to look for a president of

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Basketball Operations always struck me as weird, because why are

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you going to promote somebody and then look for his boss.

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at least promoted to him and kind of dangled the

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president of Basketball Operations title and maybe you know, promoted

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him to that based on performance and everything like that.

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But maybe that's how it is right now, just based

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on them giving him the keys and allowing him to

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bring two other people in Peter Dinwiddie and Bryce and

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Graham over from New Orleans and you know Philadelphia formerly.

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able to add these pieces that you know, could continue

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to you know, give at the support and just he

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seems like a very solid guy based on the reputation

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that you hear from several people. I talked to Bob Myers,

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not Bob Myers, So why am I blanking on Dunlevy

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Mike Dunlevy out in Golden State, and he just keeping right.

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I just you know, to hear how he spoke about

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Anxie and just the trust that he and Admires kind

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of put in him to sort of do some big things.

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but right it spoke volumes to sort of the things

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that Ancey was able to do, and for him to

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take big swings on a guy like Kristaps for zingis,

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but it has, you know, kind of minimal risk but

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can pay off pretty big, you know, if they only

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have him for one year and if they choose to

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resign him, they can. It's not it's like, yeah, we tried,

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it didn't work. Obviously. The sign and trade bringing over

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just adds so much to this team defensively. But then obviously,

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as you mentioned, the spacing being another option that Trey

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can turn to for threes consistently. And then obviously Luke Kenard,

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who you don't need him to be a defensive stalwart,

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but you know he can knock some shots down when

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you get the ball in his hands. So those are

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just huge moves and some of the anciliary stuff that

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add a little bit of depth to guys who haven't

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necessarily proven themselves yet but have high reward potential. Is

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it just speaks to, in my opinion, a guy that

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can be pretty forward thinking. It understands you know that

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there are consequences to the moves, but you know, you

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try and mitigate those as much as possible. So I

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over this past off season. I think it'll just be

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interesting to see how it all pays off long term,

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especially with the fact that they get a first round

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pick that has the potential to be a lottery pick

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in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if that's not a lottery pick.

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Speaker 2: New Orleans will have to be way better than we

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expect them to be. But to answer your question, I

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have no idea what kind of dirt this front office

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has on the New Orleans front office. I think the

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piece with Troy Weaver and Joe Dumar, so he kind

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of understood what they were looking for and maybe he

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took some of that insider information and used it to

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Speaker 1: What I find interesting is that it's not quite a

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two timelines approach in Atlanta. But I guess you could

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argue to this is that they clearly went in for

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this season, but not in a way that mortgage is

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more of their future. It makes you say, like, no,

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this team is all in on now. Do you ultimately

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think like that was I guess, especially when you're looking

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at their own draft obligations being owed out. Do you

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think that that was a deliberate approach towards we don't

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want to necessarily marry ourselves to this one direction, but

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like we need to be relevant, Like, do you think

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it was deliberate the way they like you mentioned porzingis

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just one year left on his deal, Like, I don't

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who actually helped it. Do you think that this was

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a very deliberate approach the way they went about things?

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Speaker 2: Oh, definitely you have. I don't know how you don't

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come away with that conclusion, you know, especially when you

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look at the fact that Trey Jung is up for

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an extension.

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Speaker 1: Oh is he? I haven't heard anything else, So I.

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Speaker 2: Just think that it's definitely they kind of again, they've

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set themselves up so that they're not necessarily put into

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a box long term. But the moves that they've made

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has set themselves up to be a team that can

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still compete long term. And that's something that Landry Feels

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talked a lot about before the Hawks ultimately moved on.

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And I think that's something that you know, of course,

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Anti Silat is obviously, you know, very much interested. They

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want to set this team up for a team that's

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not necessarily just competing this year. You know, Trey has

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been on the record saying that he wants to win,

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and he wants to win now. He doesn't want to

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be on a team that's developing. He was on that

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for you know, at least four of the years of

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his early years in the league, and so I think,

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you know, they definitely want to compete now. I think

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you know, ownership wants to see them compete now. Being

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a team that was in the Plane Tournament for four

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consecutive years, not making it out of the first round.

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It's demoralizing for not just a team, but also the

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fan base. So I think they understand that this team

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needs to see some kind of results now, but they

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ultimately know that that's something that also takes patience that

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you can't, you know, necessarily put things in a microwave

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and expect to see results right away. In the NBA,

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we saw that with Okay see, we're kind of seeing

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maybe the start of it with Boston, but at least

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with the Hawks, they didn't completely tear things down. They're

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still in a position that they can compete.

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Speaker 1: What do we make of the whole Trey Young extension

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situation and if he ultimately doesn't sign one, how big

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of a distraction could that become for the rest of

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the season, knowing that he has that player option next year.

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Speaker 2: You know, And maybe this is me being very optimistic,

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but it I think Trey understands that in order to

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see results, he's going to have to focus on what's

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going on on the court, and so I think we

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saw the beginnings of that last season with how you know,

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him being the league leader in assists and how much

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he was working to build up guys like Dyson Daniels,

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and Zachary resa Che and ultimately the Hawks want to

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see him be the kind of guy that's a leader

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in the locker room and not just on the court.

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And so I think a big part of him, you know,

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earning that contract extension is him performing on the court,

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and so part of that is being able to see

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those results in wins and losses. And I think that's,

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you know, something that has always been big for Trey

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as being a competitor. And so again, maybe this is

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just me being optimistic and seeing how Trey Young has

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matured over you know, my three now fourth year covering

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the team. I just it's hard for me to see

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him letting it be a distraction. But maybe I'll eat

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my words in a few months and people are gonna

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crucify me for saying that, But I'm gonna take the

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optimistic route.

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Speaker 1: Is there do you have? It's I view him as

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like it was him and the Aaron Fox as I

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viewed as a gauge for whetherfront offices we're gonna be

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more specific about the type of players they gave these

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max contracts to in the era of aprons, and you

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look at a guy like the Aaron Fox ends up

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getting the max. If I'm Trey Young, I'm pushing for

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something like, do you view him as a max player

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in this league or even through the Hawks' lens. What

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I find interesting is, I think Jalen Johnson's excellent, but

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I don't know that you look at anyone else on

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this roster and say like they could be even Jaleen

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Johnson included, say they could be the best player on

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a contender, and maybe the Hawks could potentially feel equivocate

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the same way on Trey Young. I just find it fascinating,

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given how much I think he means to the organization's

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on court livelihood, that he's maybe not viewed as just

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this automax or close to it guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's tough just because and obviously I know

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that these aren't necessarily the same things, but you look

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at what his reported trade markets have been and not

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necessarily hearing a lot of uh, you know, offers coming

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in to to get him, I think does kind of

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give the Hawks a little bit more leveraged, not necessarily

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to give him the max. So I think this is

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definitely a proven year for him, and so obviously he

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loves being in Atlanta. I think the Hawks really value him,

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but I do think that you know, he's been here

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for seven years and the peak of it so far

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has been that Eastern Conference Finals run in twenty twenty one,

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and since then again it's been those four consecutive plans.

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You know, either something has to change, whether that's you

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know him on the court, or it's looking elsewhere for

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that change. So that's why it's hard for me to,

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you know, take the leverage away from the Hawks in

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terms of them feeling the need to give him the max.

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Speaker 1: That is an excellent employing about whenever his name is

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even meandered about on the trade deadline, it's always, well,

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who's going to give up the mega offer for Trey Young?

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And that's that's a form of leverage. When you look

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at him on the court last season, at a very

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tough time wrapping my head around what he did. The

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passing insane, still great at generating looks at the rim

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for everybody, but like dealing with the Achilles tendonitis, I

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think they called it, some of the efficiency slips doesn't

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necessarily look the same or move the same when he's

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taking the ball downhill. Is there a level of concern there?

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How much do we just chalk it up to the

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injury or even the spacing environment around him? Just what

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do you kind of make of how he played last year?

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And the other thing I want to note, because I

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don't think people know this enough, he is off the

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ball a lot more than he was pre Quinn Snyder,

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and so like, this is not someone who's shown he

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can't adapt, but you also want someone in his role

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on ball to be especially from three, like that's supposed

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to be part of his bread and butter.

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Speaker 2: I and maybe again I'm taking putting too much stock

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in what he and you know, coach Schneider have talked

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about with them asking a lot more of him, and

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so it's almost like when you go to any other

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job and your job duties increase, some parts of your

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efficiency or your productivity slip a little bit. And so

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I do think, you know, with them asking him to

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raise his standard on the defensive end and then also

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obviously be a little bit more of a leader, you know,

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distributing the ball even more than he's done in the past,

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I do think it kind of took its toll, and

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then you know, him having to be the best player

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consistently for you know, several years of his career minus

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twenty twenty three twenty four when he had that you know,

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finger fracture or whatever. It does take its toll on

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your body. But I do think the Achilles it certainly

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played a role in him not necessarily having the same burst,

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but the fact that he was still trying to place

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through it. I don't know, I feel like that speaks

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to his commitment, but I do think it definitely impacted

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his efficiency and ability to get to the rim, ability

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to knock shots down from deep.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious if the RIM frequency will go up for

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like what feels like the first time and a half

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decade now that in theory like Johnson' question marks, but

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you might just have spacing in every space because even

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you mentioned k Alexander Walker hasn't necessarily translated to the playoffs,

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like we're four years into. I think just like, oh,

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that's real volume from three and they're going in mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: I do think we should. I mean I think part

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of it too, is like with Clint working so closely

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to the rim, I do think that did impact Trey's

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ability to actually pick defenses apart and get some of

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those floaters, get some of those shots, because especially toward

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the end of Clint's tenure in Atlanta, Clint Capella's tenure

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in Atlanta, he didn't really see him and that's just

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wasn't his game. He's not somebody that really moved away

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from the rim, and so I do feel like we'll

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see a little bit more of that. We see Trey

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trying to put I know it's a little controversial when

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people looked at what the weight was of, you know,

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a video he put on social media of him lifting,

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But we see him trying to add some more strength

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to his routine. So could that be an indicator that

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he's looking to play through more contact, especially with referees,

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may not giving him the calls that he's used to

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in the early part of his career. I mean, I

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don't want to speculate, but you have to think that

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that's something that's in the back of his mind. Is

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really trying to take advantage of the spacing with Lukenard

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and Chris STAPs and Nikiel and maybe even Jalen Johnson

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taking more shot Zacharyuisache. You know, you can go down

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the list of people who can space the floor for him.

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Speaker 1: The front court dynamic between on Yaka Kungu and KP.

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They could play together and I'm sure they will, But

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when that's happening, Jalen Johnson's not on the court. So

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I'm just who do you see this team starting between

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the two? When you look at and I think if

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they pick, like let's say they choose one of those starters,

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do you think it'll say a great deal about who

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they think is the best to help optimize Trey Young

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to wheres they'd rather see him next to Porzingi is

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his shooting or they would rather see him next to

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Onyaka Kungu's defense of versatility.

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Speaker 2: It's listen. I have been debating this so much because

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to me, I have Ayeka Okongo penciled in as a

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starter solely because I figured that, you know, the Hawks

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would be able to manage for Zingis's minutes more off

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of the bench. But obviously, you look at what KP

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did in EuroBasket where he was taking shots from some

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of the activity he had around the rim, you have

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to wonder, like, okay, maybe, especially with him making thirty

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million dollars this year, that's kind of an expensive bench player.

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But it's just tough for me to you know, move

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away from Anyeka being the starter solely because they went

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through all of that effort to move him to the

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starting lineup, and especially toward the end of the season,

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his production went up. So I think it's gonna certainly

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be a battle in training camp and maybe that's where

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a lot of the nitty gritty will be ironed out

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as far as why the Hawks want so and so

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to be the starter. But I think the big thing

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is just more so who finishes the game, and that

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to me is more indicative of maybe who the Hawks

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and especially Quinn Snyder values more in that five's position.

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Speaker 1: I'd be curious to see what, just having known some

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background on Chris stops, how he'd react to coming off

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the bench is like indefinitely or like as his role,

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especially in a contract year. But I also kind of

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wonder is the selling point Hey, like, we don't necessarily

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have a traditional backup creator so you can get some

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of those like elbow touches that you like to really

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work the turnaround faderway jumpers, or if you want to

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have some more traditional post ups. Is that the way

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that they would sell him on Hey coming off the bench.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it just they're gonna I think

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they're gonna stagger their minutes anyway, and it's hard for

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me to like And I think that's what it ultimately

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comes down to, right, is how many minutes each guy

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is playing per night. And so to me, if you

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start seeing it's skewing one way or the other, then yeah,

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that should tell you again what they value more. But

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I don't know. It's just hard for me to see

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or make even make the argument, especially if you're resting

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Kristaps on back to backs, why Anyeka shouldn't be the starter,

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you know, But.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jane Johnson's health history, they might both be starting

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at like some point like by the end of the season.

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If that follows that trend, who do you think is

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the not the better fit? But if you're looking at

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a kung Wu Porzing is like, who do you think

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does a better job of optimizing Trey Young? Is it

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on Yaka kung Wu? Because of they both provide stuff

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on defense and offense. I think if you could tell

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me that a kung Wu is making like thirty six

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or thirty seven Porner threes, I think he might be

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the answer for me. But I just look at all

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the space that KP can create. And I think that's

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where I'm leaning personally, is towards the ladder.

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Speaker 2: And I see and I see that point for sure,

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and I think when you see Ayaka's volume in three

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points excuse me, three point shooting going up toward the

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end of the year, then yeah, but you might be right.

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You might be convincing me that that three point shooting

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really might be the nail in the coffin, especially since

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that's something that Quinn Snyder values so much and it's

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it's part of the reason why he's been focused on

480
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:21,440
focusing on it more in terms of Anyeka's game and

481
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,599
trying to improve that. And if you already have that

482
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,920
in Porzingis, then maybe that's the answer. You might be

483
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,319
you might have just convinced me.

484
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: That finally on this podcast.

485
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's.

486
00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: A good problem to have. I'm just curious how it

487
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,519
pans out. I guess logically what you said at the

488
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:42,880
top of if you're trying, if he's if Porzingis isn't

489
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,599
gonna play back to backs, if you're trying, because he

490
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,160
had that illness whatever he was dealing with last year

491
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,519
that was so mysterious and you're trying to keep his

492
00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:52,279
minutes in check. Yes, you can stagger, you could do

493
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:54,200
whatever if he starts, Like, the easiest way to keep

494
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,240
a player's minutes in check is to not have them

495
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,519
begin games in the first place, and so the otherwise

496
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,920
if his health or like preservation wasn't necessarily no, I

497
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:08,200
probably healthy. Yeah, that's what makes it. But also like,

498
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,960
how long did we wait for a congu to just

499
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,799
be the starter? He becomes that for forty whatever games

500
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,039
last year, then it's all right, And that's what I'm saying.

501
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's and it's just in having conversations

502
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,680
with with somebody you know, close to his camp, I

503
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,599
just it's just hard for me to see that going

504
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,720
over well where you're kind of building him up to

505
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,599
be the starter. He finally earns that position, he plays,

506
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:35,599
like you said, for half a season at that point,

507
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,319
and then it's like, well, we got somebody else see

508
00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:39,880
you on the bench.

509
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: The other thing we've talked about this about this team,

510
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,319
I think basically every year you've been on the podcast

511
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,920
is not as much of an issue anymore. You have

512
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,839
Jon Johnson. We know what he could do as a playmaker.

513
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:54,039
We saw some stuff with Dyson Daniels running the show.

514
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:57,079
You have Niki Alexander Walker bring some ball handling to

515
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,039
the table. Luke nar can do some of that stuff.

516
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,519
Does this team have enough to subsist on offense finally

517
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:05,680
without Trey Young to where if I go back and

518
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:07,680
look at the on off numbers this time next year,

519
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,200
it's not, Oh, the Hawks offense was in like the

520
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:12,759
you know, blasphemous percentile.

521
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: I think if Jalen Johnson is healthy, I think if

522
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:25,160
Dyson Daniels, because we saw him, you know, taking a

523
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,480
step in the direction of being one of the Hawks's

524
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,680
primary creators when Trey Young was on the bench, If

525
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,000
those two guys have taken a step forward as you

526
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,599
would expect young players in the league to do. Oh,

527
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,319
we haven't even mentioned Zacharyriisache. I don't even think that

528
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:47,960
they their former number one overall hick from last season.

529
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,000
I think if those three guys kind of take a

530
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,839
step forward, and then you obviously mentioned Nikhil, alex Sander

531
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,119
Walker and Luke Canard, I do think the Hawks can

532
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,599
up their offensive production when when Young is on the bench,

533
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,279
But it's just so contingent on you know, three young

534
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,680
players really taking a step forward, and it's still a

535
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:11,200
question mark until you actually see it. But based on

536
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,680
what Jalen did last year and how solid it was

537
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,960
in that and I just think back to Boston when

538
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,200
they had absolutely no chance before the game to take

539
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,279
that one, and how well they played. I believe Dyson

540
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,880
had like eight assists. Jalen might have been close to

541
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,599
his first triple double that game. It just it just

542
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,000
looked productive. And then you factor in they have a

543
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,079
two way guy and Keaton Wallace you mentioned, I mentioned

544
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,359
Zachary Resa she already. I don't even think they really

545
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,640
utilized that's ability to handle the ball last season, and

546
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,039
so it'll be interesting to see if that's a part

547
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:52,440
of his game that they they tried to develop a

548
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,880
little bit more, especially because we saw that awesome between

549
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:01,160
the legs pass, you know, preseason last season. So well, again,

550
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:03,920
I do think they have some pieces that if they

551
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,920
can really kind of, you know, buckle down and really

552
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,119
try to bring those guys up, then you expect to

553
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:14,359
see a little bit more production on the offensive end,

554
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:16,720
and maybe that means Trey gets a little bit more

555
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:17,759
rest on the bench.

556
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: I feel like I would like to see more of

557
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:23,640
Dyce and Daniels in that role around, especially if like

558
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:26,079
we can get Porzingis in some of those minutes, because

559
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,759
I like what he brings is like just a decision

560
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:31,400
maker when he's getting into Laneter the way that he

561
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,119
can keep the ball moving. But I kind of have

562
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,880
this suspicion that, aside from Jalen Johnson of course, that

563
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,599
there's gonna be a lot of like I might look

564
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,240
back on the season and say that Luke Canard was

565
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,799
handling the ball too. Now if you told me that

566
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:44,400
what you mentioned before, like, oh, they're really testing Zachary

567
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,920
res Che there to give it. But I'm totally fine

568
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,559
with that, even if it goes poorly because I like

569
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:52,160
experimenting with youngsters. But the Luke Canard at the spacing

570
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,880
he provides short and he can do some of that.

571
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,319
But this just it makes me a little uneasy because

572
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:58,559
I feel like he's going to have more backup or

573
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,720
tertiary ballhand responsibilities that I want him to.

574
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:05,359
Speaker 2: You know, I may and I don't know. I think

575
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,039
we saw some good things out of Dyson Daniels in

576
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:11,279
stretches where they won't need to rely on Luke Nard.

577
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:12,799
I mean I think a lot of people forget that

578
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,480
Dyson is only twenty two, and so he's again he's

579
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:18,759
another young guy that you can experiment with the ball

580
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,039
in his hands a little bit more, and it's just

581
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:25,960
sort of, you know, working on his confidence and his quick,

582
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,359
quick decision making a little bit more. And so Dyson

583
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,200
is a guy that you know, watches a lot of

584
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,079
film especially, that's what helped him defensively, so you have

585
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:37,599
to imagine he's doing the same thing on the offensive end,

586
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,160
you know what I mean.

587
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: So, Dyson Daniels completely flips the script on that second

588
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,920
to Jane Murray trade. Aside from the steals in deflections,

589
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,599
what stood out most to you about the way that

590
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:52,920
he played Slash improved last season.

591
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,799
Speaker 2: To me, I think it was just how much he

592
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,640
really utilized that floater down the middle, and I think

593
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:02,799
defense has really started to kind of pick up on it.

594
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:04,519
Toward the end of the season. You saw some of

595
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:09,400
that production go down a little bit. But I think two,

596
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:12,559
I was surprised with how much the Hawks had him

597
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:16,119
shooting the ball from three, knowing his reputation as a

598
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,279
three point shooter. But if you know, they're very much

599
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,240
committed to trying to get that sort of number up,

600
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:27,799
even if he's taking just say, three attempts per game,

601
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,680
I think that'll be huge. But yeah, I think I

602
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,599
was also just surprised at how much they had the

603
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:38,559
ball in his hands as well. But it clearly worked out,

604
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,160
and you see the foundation for it to be something

605
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,119
that they can try to work on and develop a

606
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,200
little bit more, especially because he's a guy that just

607
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:49,920
sort of to me, opened up their offense in a

608
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,839
way that you didn't expect, just because you had Trey

609
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,400
looking to him as a guy that could knock a

610
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,559
shot down from three even if it didn't go in,

611
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,359
he was still willing to take that shot, and I

612
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,519
think that's still a big step for him, especially since

613
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,519
that wasn't something that he did in New Orleans those

614
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:06,640
first two years.

615
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the some of his getting to his floater and

616
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:13,559
those slowed down situations what stood out to me the most,

617
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:15,480
because even in New Orleans when he he could get

618
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,240
to that floater, but it felt like it was always

619
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,279
happening in transition or already gets utilt to defense. So

620
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,960
being able to do that was huge. How much value

621
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,920
or importance do you ascribe to the three point volume

622
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,519
either staying the same or coming up to four attempts

623
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:32,960
a game or something, because those threes he's taking, Yeah,

624
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,680
sure he shot, what did he end up at thirty

625
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,519
five percent or something like That's great? Like defenses really

626
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:40,200
still just don't care. And I don't know when you

627
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,799
look at the way he shoots, I also just don't

628
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,640
know what needs to happen for them to start caring.

629
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,839
And so I wonder if it's yeah, is there something

630
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,519
more important than that three point shot when you're looking

631
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:52,359
at the continued development of his game?

632
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:59,279
Speaker 2: Uh, I do think hmmm. And it's funny because I

633
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,839
did have a congress station with somebody about what it

634
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,079
was about his shot, and they would say that, you know,

635
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,000
it's like his arc is too flat and he doesn't

636
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,720
It's like you can see him thinking in real time

637
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:13,960
to take the shot.

638
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,119
Speaker 1: Like buf internet with a yeah, even when he was

639
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:17,880
lied open.

640
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: So I do think if maybe you can work on

641
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,440
sort of that release time, that maybe that's something that

642
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:26,640
can allow him to get that volume up. But I

643
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,880
think the big thing, too is maybe some moves in

644
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,759
the post is something that he can maybe unlock in

645
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:36,119
his offensive game. He's a bigger guard Obviously you're not

646
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,519
gonna want him doing that against like a seven foot

647
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:41,519
center or even a six to eleven power forward or whatever.

648
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,720
But if you can get him doing it to a

649
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:46,599
guy that's smaller, you know, a Trey young S guard

650
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,559
or even a guard that's like six', FIVE i think

651
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:52,680
that could be something that could really unlock his. Game, Especially,

652
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,000
sorry go, Ahead.

653
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,599
Speaker 1: Oh, no, NO i was JUST i hadn't really thought about.

654
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,599
That and then it's, well if you have LIKE kp

655
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:00,759
on the, floor you can have caught Likek, alexander you

656
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,119
guys or who canard moving around, Him but that could

657
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:05,279
be that could unlock his playmaking even more.

658
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,199
Speaker 2: Too but especially and especially because he does have the

659
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,800
natural instincts to cut to the. Basket so it's kind of,

660
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,280
like obviously that's mostly off ball, movement but if you

661
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,960
can sort of find a way to like put that

662
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:19,400
together with his moves on the, Ball, LIKE i don't,

663
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,480
know there's just something. There Maybe i'm again maybe this

664
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:25,800
is my optimism coming. Out Maybe i'm too optimistic about

665
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,559
what these players can. Do BUT i don't, KNOW i

666
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,920
JUST i just like to see the potential in. People

667
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:32,880
MAYBE i don't.

668
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: Know, YEAH i mean HE i think on, DEFENSE i

669
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,559
doubt the stealing deflection numbers will be the, same but

670
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:40,800
he might be better because you have someone Like Nikil

671
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,920
Alexander walker to where you don't Need dyce And daniels

672
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,440
to be, like he's not the lockdown, guy like he's

673
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,440
the create havoc, guy and now he can just do

674
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:52,039
that without having to worry about being the lockdown guy as.

675
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,039
MUCH i just STILL i don't know what he's going

676
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:57,039
to be on offense long. TERM i think there's real value.

677
00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:59,480
There but if you're that's just What i'm, curious and

678
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,480
you mentioning like post touches or maybe even like he is,

679
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:04,360
strung can you use him as more as a screener

680
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,679
even more and have him do stuff out of the

681
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:07,800
short roll if you have enough, space it might just

682
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,440
be okay. Cool if he's shooting thirty five percent from

683
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,199
three that, grit that's, Great but there's probably other skeleton

684
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,239
keys they need to try out to see if that

685
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,599
can sort of, unlocked.

686
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,079
Speaker 2: Especially because he's still so. Young he's STILL i, mean,

687
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,840
yes he's, yes he's entering year four in the, league

688
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,280
but again he's only twenty. Two he doesn't turn twenty

689
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,880
three until like the end of next, season basically In.

690
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,679
Speaker 1: March so there was his first like play a lot

691
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,199
of minutes season in year three, two which is the

692
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,320
other thing that gets. Discounted do you do you think

693
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,599
an extension gets done for him or is this something

694
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:41,800
that gets taken in restricted free? Agency BECAUSE i could see,

695
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,199
SHOCKER i could see both sides to where, it's, oh

696
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,079
like we need to lock him down after the season

697
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:48,199
he just. Had but on the flip, side, it's, well

698
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,039
it was one, season and so if he wants to

699
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,119
go out and get The i've seen a lot of

700
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,239
the comps As jael And suggs at like five, years one,

701
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,079
fifty and, like if he wants something like, that like

702
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,960
we'll just take this into restricted free agency because, surprise,

703
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,360
surprise that doesn't normally pan out too well for. Players

704
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,079
Though Josh giddy right before we recorded this made out pretty,

705
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:05,519
well so.

706
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: Right, Exactly AND i do think that that's a. THING

707
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,679
i do Think dyson is a guy that they, valued

708
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,960
especially because when you look back on that trade last off,

709
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:19,079
season a lot of people you, know seem to think

710
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,679
he was the throw in. Guy but from everything THAT

711
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,760
i was, hearing he was somebody that they truly. Valued

712
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,159
and that's not to Say larry Nance junior was the

713
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:30,679
throwing guy. EITHER i think the other two, players, well,

714
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:32,719
NO i was gonna say the other two players that

715
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,800
ended up coming over in that trade that they ended

716
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,440
up sort of waving and moving on from those were

717
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,440
the throw. Ins. YEAH i, MEAN i think If larry

718
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,079
Hadn't Like larry's injuries weren't even like the soft tissue

719
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,920
injuries that you could really blame on a player for

720
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,079
not taking care of their. Body he literally had a

721
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:54,199
fractured finger and a fractured, patella like those are, like

722
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,760
those are just freak injuries that.

723
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: Just he's like the extreme alternate version of what if

724
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,920
These Anthony davis random injuries were more? Serious?

725
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, SO i JUST i do think that they valued

726
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,440
both of those, guys Especially, dyson a young, player high.

727
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:18,039
Upside SO i do think something gets. DONE i do

728
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:21,320
think they want to bring him, back and so we'll

729
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,320
see if it actually ends up. Happening this front, office

730
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:28,280
especially now under you KNOW A sila's kind of, leadership

731
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,920
is not one that really likes to talk about player. Extensions,

732
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,239
shocker a guy from you know who has spurs lineage

733
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:43,920
isn't going to talk about, so BUT i do think

734
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,800
that he's. Somebody AGAIN i keep saying, this BUT i

735
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,559
do think they value, him especially after that one. SEASON

736
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,360
i mean that's. Huge it was a huge. Season so

737
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:53,840
you have to reward a guy that you sort of

738
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,639
went out and got with showing that you want to

739
00:37:57,679 --> 00:37:58,039
keep him.

740
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: AROUND i think there's she's gonna get done BECAUSE i

741
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,360
believe he's probably willing to accept less than a lot

742
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,280
of people, think Like i'd be if he got The

743
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,280
jaalen sucks like five and one. Fifty that would actually

744
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,119
surprise me because he has the uncertainty of those first

745
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:14,440
two years, baked and so that's WHY i THINK i

746
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,639
would expect something to get. Done you Mentioned reiche. Before

747
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:19,440
what were kind of your year one impressions of?

748
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: HIM i thought he was fabulous considering when he got

749
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,119
into the, league he was only nineteen years old and

750
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,519
to have THE i know a lot of people look

751
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:32,480
at his two playing games and you, know use that

752
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:34,559
as a little bit of a knock against him being

753
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:38,760
ready for the, Moment BUT i also, remember like he's. Nineteen,

754
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,039
yes he had experience in postseason Playing, europe but that's

755
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,280
not the same AS nba postseason. Play and when you

756
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,360
look at both of the teams that The hawks, played

757
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,239
they're both very physical. Teams The hawks aren't exactly known

758
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,719
as a team that you know handles physicality very, well

759
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,920
and so it's understandable, that you, know that's sort of

760
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,440
the end that he had to a year where he

761
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:07,159
was In rookie of The year. Conversations, now obviously the

762
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,320
start to his season wasn't. Great he wasn't shooting the

763
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,639
ball particularly. Well there's some questionable decision making in terms,

764
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,880
of you, know things that he try to do trying

765
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,800
to get to the. Basket but you could see in

766
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,519
real time sort of like the development and like tangible

767
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,079
results to what The hawks were doing to try and

768
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:28,639
build him. Up and then another thing, too is just

769
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,360
he was very like, SLIGHT i hate to use that,

770
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,239
word but he was very slight when he came into the.

771
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,480
League so you have to expect. That you, know not

772
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:39,519
only did he put on a lot of like muscle,

773
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,559
mass when you, know he progressed throughout the, season which

774
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,920
ultimately helped him play very or play much better than

775
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,960
he did at the start of the. Year but you

776
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:50,920
have to, wonder like did he continue that in the off,

777
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,400
season and you saw a little bit of it in

778
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,400
Euro basket with some of the creation that he had

779
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:59,400
against other, players but also just the force that he

780
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,159
was able to to the ball. With AND i love

781
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,119
his off ball movement and he's willing to do. It

782
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,360
that's the. Thing he's willing to consistently move without the,

783
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,800
ball get to the right. Spots and again you saw

784
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,679
little pieces of his ability to create for, others AND

785
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,760
i think that's something THAT i want to see more

786
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,960
of in his sophomore. Year BUT i thought he had

787
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,239
a really great year last, season considering you, know people

788
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,880
were questioning whether he was a number one overall, pick

789
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,480
and he certainly to me looked like one towards the

790
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:32,800
end of the.

791
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,639
Speaker 1: Year, yeah the off ball movement is, BIG i, think

792
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,519
just because that is still someone if you put him

793
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:39,119
on the, BALL i don't know how much rim pressure he,

794
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:41,199
generates but off the, ball like you look back and it's,

795
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,039
oh a good amount of his attempts came at the,

796
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:44,920
rim and his off ball movement getting out in transition

797
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,559
is a big part of. THAT i also was impressed

798
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:48,800
with for someone who was to use the word slight

799
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,719
WHICH i mean as a teenager slight and he's also

800
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,320
an oversized, team like the weight just can't be as easily.

801
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,480
Distributed his on ball defense kind of impressed me. Too

802
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,760
is like someone with his frame and, yeah there could

803
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,760
be some off ball. APSES i Guess i'm Just I'm

804
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,519
I'M i Guess i'm excited and intrigued that you're interested

805
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:07,719
to see what he can. Do is maybe more of

806
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,679
an on ball playmaker Because i've not paid as much

807
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:11,920
attention To EuroBasket AND i also just don't know that

808
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,119
that part of his game ever pop to, me and

809
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:15,480
if he could do something like that or if The

810
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,920
hawks think he, can LIKE i hope they tried to

811
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:20,280
like baptize him by fire and put him in those

812
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,079
situations this season just to see what it looks like.

813
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: And the type of players that they've brought in to

814
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,639
kind of potentially help with. That, Nikhil Alexander, Walker kristaps

815
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:32,440
porzingis like those are, two you, know And Luke. Canard

816
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,519
those are two solid players to help mentor him and

817
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:37,960
like bring that side of his game. Up and then

818
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,039
you also have to think, about you, know the player

819
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,559
development coach that he's worked a lot With Ryan schmidt

820
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:44,480
and the work that he's done over the course of the.

821
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:48,920
SEASON i JUST i feel like it's it's a tool

822
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,280
in his bag that we just haven't seen nearly enough,

823
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,719
of AND i Just i'm very curious to see if

824
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,519
it's something that they really try to highlight this coming year.

825
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,079
Speaker 1: And how much do we buy WHERE i guess not

826
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:04,440
even buy into, it but, like where's the happy medium

827
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:06,480
for him from deep because like you mentioned the slow

828
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,000
start on fire to basically close the. Season when you

829
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:12,199
watch him shoot or the way he's getting his, shots

830
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,960
do you see this as somebody who might just be

831
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,719
a plus percent three point shooter or is this you,

832
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,639
know let's see if he can hover around like thirty

833
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:21,400
seven thirty eight percent for THE i was going.

834
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,119
Speaker 2: To say THIRTY i was gonna say thirty, eight thirty nine.

835
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:29,239
Percent not, quite especially if the volume ticks. Up but,

836
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,639
YEAH i think thirty eight percent is pretty pretty, solid you,

837
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:37,679
know marker for him to be, around just because toward

838
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,239
the end of the, Season, yeah we saw him around

839
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:45,400
like forty forty one, percent AND i just think that's

840
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,280
kind of like the higher end of his kind of like.

841
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,920
CEILING i guess not, ceiling but kind of higher end

842
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,639
of you know what he's able to. Do so AND

843
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,239
i think like the lower percentage is probably like thirty,

844
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:03,119
five which isn't tear as a. Floor, yeah, yeah SO

845
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,519
i definitely feel like thirty eight is like the good

846
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,920
median for, him just because his shot. Arc we were

847
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,360
seeing him take quicker. Shots when the ball got in his,

848
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,599
hands he wasn't bringing it. Down it was like he

849
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:18,440
was catching the ball at like the right spot or

850
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,400
like moving a hand right and just letting it, fly

851
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:25,000
and it was right on. Brand SO i think the

852
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:28,280
big thing for him is just really really finding like

853
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,599
his center so that when he does kind of take

854
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:34,239
some of those, shots it's not like too, off if

855
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:34,960
that makes any.

856
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: Sense, yeah we'll get into the rotation a, second but,

857
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,400
like is he gonna start because he was a START i,

858
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,400
Know and then it's what needs to happen for him to?

859
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,360
Close like what has he done If Quinn snyder Decides

860
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,400
zacharysichet is closing games for this, team, well.

861
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: Okay SO I i do have him penciled in as the,

862
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,760
starter just because it's hard for me to imagine them

863
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,000
moving Say Jalen johnson to the. Three if they're trying

864
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,159
to keep On yeka in the starting, LINEUP kp at the,

865
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:12,119
Four dison at the, two and then Obviously trey at.

866
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,679
Speaker 1: The, one gotch a wild four players Around Tree young.

867
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,559
Speaker 2: LISTEN i that's, LIKE i know we usually talk about

868
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:25,559
the wonky lineups at, that but that's probably. Mine but if,

869
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:29,440
anything if it's Not, sack then you have to wonder

870
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,920
if it's gnaw right.

871
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: Right because you want to keep.

872
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: Right you want to Keep jalen at the, four and

873
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,280
then for, me it's On yeka at the, five just

874
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,719
Because jalen And nyeka just play so well. Together their

875
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,760
chemistry is just so like chef's. Kiss it's like they

876
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,559
know where each other is gonna. Be they know where

877
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:50,119
to sort of like pick up where the other one

878
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:52,599
sort of drops, off and we just don't know where

879
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:55,639
that will be WITH, kp especially with him being new

880
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:59,559
to The Quinn snyder's. System so, yeah so it's like

881
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:03,400
the alternative is not BUT i see it being something

882
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,599
similar to what happened With DeAndre hunter last, year where

883
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:09,800
they brought him off the bench and that Allows Alexander

884
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,599
walker to get into the flow of the game and

885
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,239
then have the impact that he is expected to have

886
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:21,119
from the. BENCH i see not as sort of like

887
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:24,400
your sixth or seventh, man depending on IF kp is

888
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,440
coming off the. BENCH i HAVE kp as a sixth

889
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,519
man Giving, onyeka you know that staggered minute sort of

890
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:33,599
he comes off maybe like seven minutes in and THEN

891
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,840
kp plays the last for five minutes of the first

892
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:38,880
quarter and.

893
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:43,079
Speaker 1: Interview the team is still built to maintain its like

894
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,280
league high transition frequency from last. Year it could dependence

895
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,639
on Like canard AND kp slow things down a little.

896
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: BIT i, do especially If jalen is. Healthy it's just

897
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,119
hard to not play that. Pace If jalen's on the,

898
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,000
floor it's either he's going to be finishing at the

899
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:04,679
basket in transition or you have guys Like Zachary trey

900
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,480
kind of filling in for him when they come. Up

901
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:12,239
SO i don't, KNOW i. DO i do, think, YEAH

902
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,559
kp kind, of BUT i think the expectation IS kp

903
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,760
is gonna have to match that, pace don't you think

904
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,760
with him being.

905
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,119
Speaker 1: The threes, TOO i guess still like that's still part

906
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:21,360
of his.

907
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,199
Speaker 2: Game, true same With, canard, right.

908
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah AND i guess with the number of turnovers we

909
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,920
Know Dyson daniels is going to force What Jalalen johnson's

910
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,360
gonna do after every single rebound, basically and now you

911
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,000
Add Niki Alexander walker into the, fold there should be

912
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:38,039
enough pace driving. There but it's kind of, REFRESHING i

913
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:39,840
guess would be the word to just, wonder, like, oh

914
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,159
this is team is built Around Trey. Young are we

915
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:44,360
worried about him slowing things? Down AND i think he's.

916
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,599
Done we saw this towards the tail end Of lucas

917
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:50,039
time In. Dallas trey's done a better job of like

918
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:53,280
maybe himself not always playing with more, pace but allowing

919
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,239
the players around him to play with more pace when

920
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,960
he's on the. Court like that's that's not. Insubstantial, No

921
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,079
and AGAIN i think you have to go back to

922
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,760
is like what is he playing?

923
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,159
Speaker 2: For, like if you want to prove to your front

924
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:08,880
office that you can lead this, team you gotta play

925
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:09,800
ball Right.

926
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: Well there has to be a level of like it

927
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,679
has to be a sobering reality to even if you

928
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:16,719
hear your name mentioned in trade, rumors and there's never

929
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,599
been like a team that's we're gonna throw everything in on.

930
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:21,800
You and now you've just watched maybe two of the

931
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,280
teams that you were linked. To where was The spurs

932
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,480
went out and Got Dearon, fox The magic went out

933
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:29,559
and got The Desmond. Bane and now it's like your

934
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:31,880
name just hasn't even been thrown. There so there. THERE

935
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,079
i don't know if there would be a chip on

936
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:36,119
your shoulder if it's just like kind of a reality

937
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:37,559
check for, him but like that has to be at

938
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:38,280
least in the back of.

939
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,639
Speaker 2: Him wasn't he linked to The lake to The clippers as, well.

940
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: So that they still might be linked to the to

941
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:44,039
The clippers and.

942
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:49,639
Speaker 2: They ended up getting like Beside chris fall like that

943
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:52,639
should that that that is a little sobering and.

944
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,559
Speaker 1: HUMBLING i, think, well, look if he goes to The,

945
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:56,320
clippers at least they'll figure out a way to get

946
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,960
him more THAN maxi money so he can at least

947
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,960
rest Easy sea knowing.

948
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 2: That oh, lord what's the expensive.

949
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,119
Speaker 1: Ceiling for this?

950
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,599
Speaker 2: Team, WELL i mean the facts that they went from

951
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:12,960
being you, know thirtieth to twenty nine thirtieth in the

952
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:16,079
league in defense to like middle of the, PATH i

953
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:18,800
think it's obviously higher when you factor in the addition

954
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,159
Of Nikhil Alexander, WALKER i think that raises it to,

955
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,079
them you, know potentially being closer to, ten maybe even

956
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:29,880
inside top. TEN i don't think they'll, DEFINITELY i don't

957
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,599
think they can be as high as top, five but

958
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:37,239
maybe you, know somewhere around nine, ten considering they were

959
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:40,239
what like fourteen fifteen towards the end of the, season

960
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,320
well not the end of the, season but at least

961
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,000
midway through the.

962
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:47,599
Speaker 1: Season, man if they're top, ten LIKE i wonder what

963
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:49,519
that says about where they are in The Eastern, conference

964
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:51,400
BECAUSE i think that the If Trey young is even

965
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,880
slightly more efficient if you Assume Jalen johnson's, Healthier like

966
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,960
the offense When trey's on the floor when he's not

967
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,000
at his best is like going to be decided the

968
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:02,559
above league. Average top ten feels, ambitious but, again the

969
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:05,880
personnel Around Tree young feels like it's and like they

970
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,639
don't have you Mentioned Jalen johnson very early on this,

971
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:10,920
podcast not an excellent, defender but someone who could be

972
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,079
moved around. Defendively now both your, centers Like Christaps porzingis's

973
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,599
rim protection On Yukka congo's, VERSATILITY i kind of, wonder,

974
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,679
like are they a LITTLE i don't want to use

975
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,760
the word, small but are they gonna be physical enough

976
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,000
on like the glass like when you look At kPa

977
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:25,880
and then.

978
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: YEAH i think the physical, no, no, SORRY i think the

979
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,079
physicality is the only thing that concerns. Me but we

980
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:35,119
didn't even mention a guy Like, mogay WHO i do

981
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,679
think is gonna end up being. RIGHT i do think

982
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:40,199
he's gonna end up being in the, rotation even if

983
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:44,880
he's not necessarily playing like fifteen twenty minutes to, NIGHT

984
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:49,480
i still think he somehow gets like maybe eleven, ten ten,

985
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:54,000
minutes just because, again to monitor a guy like her

986
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:56,920
stops as, minutes you're gonna have to sprinkle in some other.

987
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,400
People and he has the depth to play both the

988
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,079
four and and SO i do think that he's somebody

989
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:06,000
you got to mix in. There and he's a guy

990
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,079
that has such a high defensive. Flour he covers so

991
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,880
much ground his great instincts at the. RIM i, mean

992
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,760
he was blocking shots almost left and right last, season

993
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,400
and SO i think with him adding so much more

994
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,400
muscle to him this, offseason you've got to expect him

995
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,159
to be somebody that they throw into the.

996
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: Mix what is he on? Offense aside from a.

997
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: DISASTER i, mean his shot mechanics are, there but it's

998
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,320
just like they weren't going in and they were either

999
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,519
like he just has either too much power from the

1000
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:43,119
corner or he's like just slightly off when he's on the.

1001
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:47,559
Wing BUT i, MEAN i just that's the thing that

1002
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:50,559
is the big question, mark is can, he you, know

1003
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:52,880
be somebody that maybe works inside the. POST i think

1004
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,280
part of it might have. Been, again he's kind of

1005
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,960
Like zach where he's. Slight he's kind of, small you,

1006
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,760
know smaller than your traditional power, forward but he has

1007
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,880
the strength and when you add a little bit more to,

1008
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,400
THAT i, mean maybe that opens up something. MORE i

1009
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,599
Just i'm not particularly confident in his ability to handle the,

1010
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:15,920
ball BUT i do feel like he's somebody that can

1011
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,239
certainly take advantage of more. Mismatches he just has to find.

1012
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: Them do you have any early impressions of the other

1013
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,599
part of That pelicans, trade which is Rookie Asa. NEWELL

1014
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:28,119
i Like.

1015
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,079
Speaker 2: ASA i just don't, think especially with how much depth

1016
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:34,639
This hawks team, HAS i don't think he's going to

1017
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:36,599
get a lot of minutes in the main. ROTATION i

1018
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:38,679
think he's probably gonna spend a lot of his time

1019
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,760
At College park with the with The, skyhawks THEIR G league,

1020
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,719
team just because like again you, said we're going to

1021
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,000
get into the rotation a little bit more too down the,

1022
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:50,800
line but you, name you, know you got nine players

1023
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,159
ahead of, Him, Trey, Dyson zach.

1024
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: And he's like hippie BECAUSE i don't think he could.

1025
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,519
Play maybe at some point he could play the, five

1026
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,079
BUT i don't think it's right, now and he definitely

1027
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,760
probably shouldn't play the. Three and so when you're just

1028
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,320
at that four, spot when you Have Jalen, johnson what's?

1029
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: That, yeah, SORRY i was just saying it kind of

1030
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,199
limits him a little.

1031
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: BIT i did like WHAT i saw from him in

1032
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,519
summer league Sum, yeah, yeah he felt very plug And

1033
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:20,440
playven hads a moment where he like got to is

1034
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,320
put the ball on the deck and was able to

1035
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,280
make things happen if he can just if he hits

1036
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,519
outside shots, consistently AND i know we say this about

1037
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,599
a lot of, players but that becomes like a huge

1038
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:32,760
swing skill for. HIM i.

1039
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,159
Speaker 2: THINK i think one of the things that The hawks

1040
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:39,440
has done a really good job, of especially Since Quinn

1041
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:44,000
snyder has come, here is really they haven't really baptized

1042
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,079
their rookies by. FIRE i, MEAN i Think zach is

1043
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:49,679
a little bit of the, outlier solely because a number

1044
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:55,239
one overall pick you got, to you. Know but WHEN i,

1045
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,000
think Like, kobe they've brought. Him, GRANTED i Know kobe,

1046
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,000
BUFFIN i know he's been, hurt but they didn't play

1047
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:05,840
him a ton his rookie, year and when they, did

1048
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,239
he had some good. Moments same With mo he didn't

1049
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,400
play much until last, season and part of it was

1050
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,239
because they needed him. To but they've really tried to

1051
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,480
develop their like they really tried to give their rookies

1052
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:22,079
a plan and sort of follow. It so it's tough

1053
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,679
for me to see, them you, know really Throwing asa

1054
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,679
into the, mix especially because they have so many veterans

1055
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,199
around him and so much versatility that they don't necessarily need.

1056
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: HIM i guess If Jalen johnson missed his time and

1057
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,880
you're looking for someone, like the thing that impressed me

1058
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,880
In Summer league is he was making his corner. Three

1059
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,760
he's like getting in the, corners And i've just, wondered

1060
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,199
now you translate some of the catches he's making now

1061
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,880
those are coming From Trey young instead of whoever else

1062
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,760
is on The hawks'. Roster there might be something, there

1063
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,199
But i'm with, you it doesn't feel like there's going

1064
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,920
to be if they're. Healthy there just doesn't feel like

1065
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,480
there's gonna be room Unless mogay is so bad on

1066
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:58,039
offense they're, like, hey let's throw some newell in there

1067
00:53:58,079 --> 00:53:59,960
to get like the third string four minutes or.

1068
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 2: Whatever AND i JUST i don't think. That and that's the.

1069
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,159
THING i just it's hard for me to think that

1070
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:08,360
Mo gay will be so bad.

1071
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: That his defense will always just be like.

1072
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,039
Speaker 2: Because they're gonna need. It they're gonna need. IT i,

1073
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:18,000
mean one of the things that and obviously this isn't

1074
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,000
something that you, KNOW asa. Lacks it's like they've always

1075
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,920
talked about needing, size and you, know with a guy

1076
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,000
who has at least SOME nba game, experience you're gonna

1077
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:30,000
want to put the guy in, that you, know you

1078
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:32,800
who can guard some of those bigger guys and you

1079
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,079
know he can handle it than the untested rookie who

1080
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:39,800
hasn't quite GOTTEN nba speed under his belt just.

1081
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: Yet are there any youngsters that interest you long term

1082
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,719
for this team if it's not next season or we,

1083
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,519
like what's The Kobe buffkin experience gonna be? Like And

1084
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,760
Sally dante they wanted some trouble to get. Him they

1085
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,960
Have Nicola jurisic on, there and he had some interesting

1086
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:55,559
summer league.

1087
00:54:55,599 --> 00:55:01,599
Speaker 2: Moments, yeah it's this team is so strange once you

1088
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:10,039
get past those top seven eight. GUYS i really want

1089
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:13,079
more for Vit, crachi just because there's like when he

1090
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,480
when he, Flashes when he, flashes he, flashes and especially

1091
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:22,840
with him getting some consistent. Minutes last season he was playing,

1092
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,039
well and it's like almost as he builds up to playing,

1093
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:29,880
well he gets hurt and then it's back to not

1094
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,800
necessarily square, one but maybe square five before doing ten

1095
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,719
squares or something like. That But i'm curious to, see

1096
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,280
you know what ye'r a chitch is. THOUGH i just

1097
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,079
don't anticipate him playing a lot of. MINUTES i just really.

1098
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:50,559
Don't he's probably like your fifteenth, man and that might

1099
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:54,880
be the. CEILING i, MEAN i can anticipate them Playing

1100
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,559
Keaton wallace over him, slowly Because Keaton wallace has minutes

1101
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:04,159
in an end. Game Jacob toppin will probably play minutes over,

1102
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,519
him so solely because he's he's a guy that you

1103
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:11,800
can throw in at the, three and then Obviously ellie

1104
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:16,199
And jay who came over From Real madrid who's had

1105
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,559
some injured, history but again he he just plays a

1106
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:24,960
position that doesn't necessarily have as much logjam as or

1107
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:29,800
maybe not, logjam but just durability With Trey, Young Dyson

1108
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,480
daniels and a few other, Players Kobe, buffkin who is

1109
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:38,599
ahead of your chich in sort of the rotation or

1110
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:42,840
the guardroom or. Whatever, YEAH i really want to see

1111
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,079
what your chich is because he just he looked so

1112
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,760
good In Summer, league.

1113
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:49,079
Speaker 1: Going off the Two Summer league games WHEN i saw

1114
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,760
of him the stuff with the ball in his hands

1115
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,480
and like kind of the passing, ESPECIALLY i think it

1116
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:56,480
was that game against The, rockets like six' eight can.

1117
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:59,000
Do that but then IT'S also i say the same Thing.

1118
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,039
About vic cragie did a few minutes on him. LAST

1119
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:03,760
year i think when he's hitting, his threes the stuff

1120
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,159
that he could do on the ball and be moved

1121
00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:07,360
Around of fensley like that is one of the NBA's.

1122
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,719
Hidden gems if he's healthy and again hitting, his threes

1123
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,800
which is.

1124
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,519
Speaker 2: So inconsistent it's, selling consistent he'll do it for like

1125
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:21,239
a stretch where he's going, like sick like four of

1126
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,320
six or like five, to seven and then all of

1127
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,000
a sudden it just drops off and he's like one of,

1128
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:28,559
five again and, you're like what?

1129
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: Is happening We Know john hollinger will always ride for,

1130
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:33,199
him though so. GO on I Love.

1131
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,679
Speaker 2: John Hollinger He's beat crachey's. Biggest supporter.

1132
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,639
Speaker 1: Are you ready to Enter The Cookie Cutter Slash lightning

1133
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:41,320
round portion of?

1134
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: The?

1135
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: Podcast.

1136
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: Yes always we've.

1137
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: Talked a lot about, strengths weaknesses but looking at the roster,

1138
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,079
right now what do you view is its single biggest

1139
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:51,280
weakness or need heading into? The season.

1140
00:57:54,159 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: Single? Biggest Need m it's it's TOUGH because i guess

1141
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:11,719
maybe the same thing as last season is just like

1142
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:16,360
that question mark is who handles the ball Outside of Trey, And,

1143
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,679
jalen like what's your? Third option and you don't have

1144
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,639
a clear cut in, my opinion. Third option it's all,

1145
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:24,960
by committee and it would be kind of nice to

1146
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,280
have a little bit more of a clear.

1147
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:31,159
Speaker 1: Cut option is there anything whether it's, a storyline, a strength,

1148
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:33,199
a player or whatever about this team that you think

1149
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,199
is flying under the radar that deserves. MORE spotlight.

1150
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:40,719
Speaker 2: I think the big question is just What Is kobe

1151
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:44,480
buffkin able to do. FULLY healthy i think that's the

1152
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:47,519
storyline that's probably flying under the radar just because he's

1153
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:49,920
been in the league two years but only has about

1154
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,880
twenty seven games under his belt in. Two YEARS so

1155
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,679
i think a lot of people want to see what

1156
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:00,400
he can do and if he is that viable third

1157
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,559
Option behind Trey and dyson And sorry Trey.

1158
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: AND jalen i remember saying some pretty inflammatory Things About

1159
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,559
kobe buffkin coming out of, a draft where it's like

1160
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:13,039
he'll get to the rim and, he'll like this is

1161
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:16,719
Gonna be he's gonna, be good, and man a.

1162
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: Lot of us had very high hopes For, for KOBE

1163
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,119
and i do think the tools, are there but it's

1164
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:24,800
just like if you can't stay on, the court like

1165
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,719
and his injuries have just been like, ankle injury he

1166
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,400
had a back injury, last season it was his shoulder

1167
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,199
that ruled him out for. The year so it's just

1168
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:39,280
kind of. Like weird it's just, weird stuff, You, know.

1169
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,599
Speaker 1: Yeah which leads me to this question building a ten

1170
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,480
man rotation for. THIS team i have, nine locks AND

1171
00:59:46,519 --> 00:59:47,679
so i just want to read them off for you.

1172
00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:49,760
To see if YOU think i got the, NINE locks

1173
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:54,480
I have Trey Reesis, Cha, daniels johnson porzingis A kung

1174
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:58,320
Wu gnaw lukenardan mogay as the nine as a? Nine

1175
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,360
locks who gets?

1176
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:07,079
Speaker 2: The, Tenth, crachie Yes, but macavea that's my that's. MY

1177
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,199
ten i think they're probably gonna Go with Buffkin over

1178
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,920
crachie solely because high, draft pick well not high. DRAFT

1179
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,800
pick i think what was?

1180
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:22,079
Speaker 1: He fifteen he was close to the, lottery right he?

1181
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:27,559
Speaker 2: Was fifteen and so you know you draft a guy

1182
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,360
in the, first round you know you you're three of

1183
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,800
your lot or two of your last three first, round

1184
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,840
picks aren't? You know giving? YOU Minutes aj griffin is

1185
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,960
out of, the league And Then tobe buffkin has been

1186
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:43,079
hurt his first two years in. The league you're gonna

1187
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:46,199
want to see what that first round pick is. Capable of.

1188
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:49,599
Speaker 1: So is HE like i GUESS that i was gonna,

1189
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:51,679
ask you is there an well you could see be, Like,

1190
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,159
surprised oh he's in the mix for like a top

1191
01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:56,519
eight spot. Or something you think there's a chance that Maybe.

1192
01:00:56,559 --> 01:01:00,519
It's kobe by virtue of like draft especially Maybe canard

1193
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:01,679
is could he? Be, HEARD.

1194
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: No I think i think your top nine is. Pretty

1195
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,760
solid that's that's kind OF who i have as my. Top.

1196
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,239
Speaker 1: Nine uh next question, would be this is to some extent,

1197
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,079
matchup dependent but what do you think ends up being

1198
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,920
their most used or go to?

1199
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:25,679
Speaker 2: Closing unit go to closing unit will Probably Be? Trey,

1200
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,639
Dyson nah Jalen porzingis.

1201
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:33,559
Speaker 1: Ooh so porzingis Over on yekka for.

1202
01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:37,119
Speaker 2: Closing, unit yeah just because of his ability to shoot

1203
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:45,559
size just seven, TO three, i mean like solid rim Protected.

1204
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: Instincts uh He Makes DISON daniels i think a lot

1205
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,079
more valuable to just if you have the spacing on

1206
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:53,760
the floor at.

1207
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: That?

1208
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: Spot agreed is there a weird o lineup You Want

1209
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:58,960
quinn snyder to try?

1210
01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:03,559
Speaker 2: This year weird o? LINE up, i mean? How weird

1211
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:04,800
are we talking.

1212
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: As weird as you? Want, we honestly the weirder the

1213
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,960
better in. My, book like do we need to get

1214
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,199
five centers? Out there i'm fine.

1215
01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: With that Do the hawks have five center kidding Five

1216
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,679
bigs i'll, CALL them, I kid? I. Kid uh weird?

1217
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:20,639
O lineup I think i touched on it a. Little

1218
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:22,519
bit is that You're playing jalen at, the three and

1219
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:25,599
then YOU'VE got kp at, the four at, The five

1220
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:31,159
dyson And. Then trey but if we're being like, SUPER

1221
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:35,719
weird i could see like super super weird Is Like

1222
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:54,559
trey dyson or, like no Like, Hmmm trey, Uh yeah

1223
01:02:54,559 --> 01:03:00,280
I'll Go, Trey dyson Resa Che k See.

1224
01:03:04,719 --> 01:03:14,559
Speaker 1: And, ogay, okay.

1225
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah that's probably like the weirdest lineup that you'd, probably

1226
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:24,800
see just because Between between Moe, and dyson you're just

1227
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:30,400
not getting a ton of. Consistent threes but you might, be, Okay,

1228
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,480
Defensively okay.

1229
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna Steal your i'm gonna steal your initial Lineup, Of, Dyson,

1230
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:42,400
jalen Yaka, kunglu kp and then let's Either throw recearch

1231
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,039
At your vic crag in there Instead. Of trey. MM

1232
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:54,480
hmm I think I Trust cragie moore as a, ball

1233
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:57,239
handler but if you want, some shooting like is clearly

1234
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,119
the more trustworthy shooter at this point already.

1235
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: Sure, For sure but you, know, WHAT listen i feel

1236
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:09,199
like the one Thing about quinn is that you don't

1237
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:12,679
get a ton of weird. O lineups he's very like

1238
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,239
consistent with, his rotations but. WHO knows, I mean i

1239
01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:20,480
remember ONE time i asked him if there was a

1240
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:24,159
world where they would play and this is like three,

1241
01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:27,840
years ago where they would Play like Bruno and Anjeka.

1242
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,480
AND jalen i. FORGOT who i think it might, have

1243
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:34,559
Been probably Murray and trey as, a lineup and he's

1244
01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:37,960
like he looked at ME like i had. Three heads.

1245
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:44,039
Speaker 1: That means you just asked a good question before we

1246
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:46,320
get into just a couple. Of predictions is there anything

1247
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,719
we haven't discussed about this team that You think warrant's

1248
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:50,199
conversation before we. MOVE on.

1249
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: I feel like this team is one that WILL probably,

1250
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,440
I mean i know expectations, are HIGH but i, think

1251
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,320
again with the NBA's biggest caveat so long as everyone,

1252
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,840
IS healthy i think this team has probably a higher

1253
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,960
CEILING than i probably feel optimistic ABOUT because i went

1254
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,679
into the season thinking that they were going to finish

1255
01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:21,239
the year like finish the, regular season not. EVEN eighth

1256
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,239
I think i had them at like ten, or eleven

1257
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,800
and then they ended up at least making it seven.

1258
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:33,719
To Eight so i'm just gonna say that they'll probably exceed.

1259
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,840
My expectations But maybe i'm JUST again i think too highly.

1260
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:43,079
Speaker 1: Of that, so realistically how many games during the regular

1261
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:45,039
season could you see? Them winning and where would you

1262
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:47,480
see them landing in the, you Know The eastern conference

1263
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:48,800
playoff picture when we're looking.

1264
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 2: At, SEATING yeah i have them at like, forty eight forty,

1265
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,960
nine games and, TO me i have them at like

1266
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:04,800
fifth JUST because I do detroit. Is WEIRD but i

1267
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:10,000
Do have detroit just a little bit higher Than, the

1268
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:12,800
hawks solely because kid played so well out of. HIS

1269
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,880
mind i think the Addition of Lavert and robinson add

1270
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,280
a little bit of a layer of shooting that, you

1271
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,559
know they make up for a little Bit without BEASLEY

1272
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:31,480
and thhj and Then, Obviously Orlando New york cleveland are

1273
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:34,639
probably like my top four in, REVERSE order.

1274
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,639
Speaker 1: I think as a sign of how Far the hawks.

1275
01:06:36,639 --> 01:06:38,400
HAVE come i think the only teams that you could

1276
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,760
sit here and guarantee will be better than them are

1277
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,760
the three that. You Mentioned so i'm not saying four is,

1278
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,719
their ceiling like if they end up three, or something

1279
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,400
but it feels like five or six might actually be

1280
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,760
their floor when you Like add detroit. In there it's

1281
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:52,079
who else even prepared to guarantee is going to be

1282
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:54,800
Better at you Could, say philly but like that then

1283
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,119
you're just a masochist at. That point if you're, GONNA invest.

1284
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 2: I can't i wouldn't Even.

1285
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: PUT philly i Would, Put milwaukee Yannis plus turner. And,

1286
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:07,480
DUDES yeah, I mean i'm a little raptors, pilled too

1287
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,119
like they just have so. Many GUYS but I think

1288
01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:12,480
i do Think the hawks will finish in the. Top

1289
01:07:12,519 --> 01:07:14,320
six like there might be some, wild CARDS but i

1290
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:15,199
think they'll finish in the.

1291
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:18,159
Speaker 2: TOP six I have i Definitely have hawks. TOP six

1292
01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:21,559
i have them top FIVE because i have them, at

1293
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:26,679
FIVE but i. DON'T know i Don't. Know milwaukee i'm High,

1294
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:29,599
on milwaukee but that's just Maybe because i'm too High

1295
01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:31,880
on giannis and what he's capable.

1296
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: Of doing now let's fast over to the twenty twenty.

1297
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,159
Six Postseason the hawks are in it as of right

1298
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:41,239
Now in september twenty. Twenty five what do you view

1299
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,559
as like a particularly compelling whether, it's, difficult concerning or.

1300
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:50,079
Fascinating matchup if you had to identify, one team it's.

1301
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 2: Gotta be Hawks In, new york right or Or probably

1302
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:04,320
Hawks and magic solely because us from, my observations last

1303
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:11,159
year they hate the magic and just how that sort

1304
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:15,280
of playing game sort, Of unfolded trey getting ejected because

1305
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:20,520
of him making a mockery of. THE game I Know

1306
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,159
anthony black does his best to Get under. Trey's, Skin

1307
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:29,840
obviously Paolo, is Polo and i'm really curious to see

1308
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,319
what that battle between Him and jalen looks like and

1309
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:38,159
who gets the better of. The other, RIGHT now i

1310
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:43,159
sort Of, edge Paolo but jalen can. Surprise YOU so

1311
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,760
i think that's a very, intriguing MATCHUP and i think

1312
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,239
that's something that, you know the fans are gonna have

1313
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:51,439
to look forward to, a lot especially with the Addition,

1314
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,000
of baine and just that level of shooting that they

1315
01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:59,640
have now is. Just, Unreal Obviously, franz Wagner Big franz.

1316
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:05,399
Wagner fan they're just such an. Intriguing team but to

1317
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,800
go back to my original answer, as well You Know

1318
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:11,520
new york fans Obviously Against trey young is always going

1319
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,000
to be somewhat compelling for. Whatever reason and when you

1320
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:18,439
couple that with the rolling the dice on the Logo

1321
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:22,560
At Madison, SQUARE gardens i know that sid. ME too

1322
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,199
i know that. Inside it and then obviously early in,

1323
01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:27,560
the season he's told them to take their butts home

1324
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:32,600
after they beat, them early so sore that's always going

1325
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,640
to be compelling. To me, but yeah those are those

1326
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,720
are probably my two Matchups that i'm really.

1327
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: EXCITED about i Think it's orlando for me, as Well

1328
01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:44,680
or detroit because those two teams seem the best built

1329
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:49,159
In the east to Stress test atlanta's like second non tree,

1330
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:51,840
young OFFENSE and i really just want to, see, how

1331
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,439
like if they can get to a point where they're

1332
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:57,279
able to handle those types, of defenses that just becomes.

1333
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,079
Absolutely monstrous so those are. The TEAMS just i don't

1334
01:10:01,079 --> 01:10:02,800
know how they would, match Up but, I'M like i

1335
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,800
want to see what their offense looks Like against Detroit

1336
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,640
and orlando. THIS season i really want to.

1337
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 2: See, IT yeah I just I. LOVE detroit i do

1338
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:19,479
think durn tends to get the Better, of anyeka so

1339
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:20,199
it'll be in.

1340
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,239
Speaker 1: P durn thing when you look at how Much like

1341
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:25,399
duran's gonna be A CAT like I know, KP's different,

1342
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,560
but yeah like that adds a whole different layer to that. Entire,

1343
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,439
matchup YEAH.

1344
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: And I also i'm really curious to see what they're

1345
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,239
able to do With. LIMITING kid i know that was always,

1346
01:10:37,279 --> 01:10:40,399
an issue like they Would Put dyson daniels, on him But.

1347
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:43,760
It's kid he would just get the Better. Of Dyson

1348
01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:47,319
so i'm curious if they do some sort of double

1349
01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:50,560
Team with Non and dyson and like what that is gonna.

1350
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,359
Look like the chess match is certainly gonna be interesting

1351
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:55,520
to See what quinn. THROWS.

1352
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:00,239
Speaker 1: At, Jb LAUREN can i get one additional prediction About

1353
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:02,079
the hawks for this coming season? From you it could

1354
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:02,840
be whatever you want?

1355
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 2: Who, prediction like what are do? You mean like award?

1356
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: An award it could be any a players, breaking out

1357
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,079
a player gets squeezed out. The rotation it could be.

1358
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:21,039
A trade it could be it could. Be, anything hmmm.

1359
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 2: A trade it's hard for me to predict a trade

1360
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,319
just YET because i haven't seen how. Everything Looks so

1361
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,199
i'm gonna go with and maybe this is low, hanging

1362
01:11:35,279 --> 01:11:37,760
Fruit but i'm gonna Pencil in jalen for.

1363
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,319
Speaker 1: Most improved if they get back to back most, improved

1364
01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:42,000
players that would.

1365
01:11:42,039 --> 01:11:46,079
Speaker 2: Be insane i'm Gonna pencil jalen in for most improved

1366
01:11:46,119 --> 01:11:50,159
just because he was in the, conversation early so That

1367
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:53,680
means I'm saying I'm predicting jalen's gonna have A healthy

1368
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:55,439
that might be the.

1369
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: Spicier prediction at, this point he's already been in the

1370
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:04,600
Most improved. Player Discussions why Dalen the I'M just i

1371
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,560
wonder if if he's turned the corner too much now to, everyone's,

1372
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,119
like well he was supposed to win that award last

1373
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:11,520
year and just wasn't, healthy enough AND so, i think

1374
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,680
like he was In The all star mix, last year

1375
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,840
if he's, healthy enough like him getting Into The All

1376
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,920
star game, like that especially If the hawks are good

1377
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:20,159
and now more people are Watching the hawks that might

1378
01:12:20,199 --> 01:12:23,159
be because he's clear they. Don't have Maybe if christops

1379
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:25,720
has an, insane season but aside From, like trey they

1380
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,399
don't have, like that it's jailing as The Obvious all.

1381
01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:31,119
STAR candidates i would Think, maybe dyson but that's a

1382
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:32,359
LITTLE too i think that's too.

1383
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: Deep, CUT yeah i Feel like dyson might be a

1384
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,000
slight reach SOLELY because i just don't know how his

1385
01:12:40,079 --> 01:12:47,560
offense turns the. Corner yet, uh yeah, SO yeah i

1386
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,279
would Probably say jalen is probably their second guy who's

1387
01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:54,600
like they're per like, banked in not banked in but

1388
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,920
Just like Clearcut count runner for somebody who could be

1389
01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:00,119
voted As An, all.

1390
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: Star he does that on a contract he's on because

1391
01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:05,880
his contract already. Looks good but like it once you

1392
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,840
Tie The, All star like let's say he does win

1393
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,720
The screw player because, he's healthy that's when it, Really

1394
01:13:11,119 --> 01:13:14,600
encapsulates like how much of a bargain that. Contract becomes.

1395
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,600
Speaker 2: I'm curious to, see. THOUGH too i think my, BIG

1396
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,720
question i think my big prediction Is that anyeka has

1397
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,560
a really. Big. Year one he's going to, be competing,

1398
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,399
you know Internally With. Chris STAPs he's a guy that's

1399
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,520
sort of been adding that three point shot consistently over

1400
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,319
the last couple, of years AND so i feel like

1401
01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:39,760
he could be, really good especially now that defenses know

1402
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,479
that he has that in. His back to, THE point,

1403
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,359
i mean granted. They don't they still don't take it

1404
01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:47,000
as SERIOUSLY as i think that. They SHOULD but i

1405
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:49,800
think he's somebody that they might start looking at as

1406
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:52,439
not necessarily, a threat but somebody that they should pay

1407
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,680
attention to in terms of if he's on, the perimeter.

1408
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Speaker 1: Who shoots a higher percentage from three? THIS Year a

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Kungou Or, jalen johnson.

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Speaker 2: Oh. O.

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Speaker 1: CONGO wow i love. THAT one i.

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Speaker 2: LOVE it i love it just. JUST solely i say,

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that because as, they say right, the cliches shoot, or

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SHOOT and i just Think that onyeka has shown over

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the last couple of years a more consistent willingness to take.

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Those shots jalen will sometimes get the ball on, the

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PERIMETER and i don't know if it's just in the

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heat of the, you know the speed of, the game

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you kind of second guess how much space you have

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to try and let that, shot go and he'll pump

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fake and then drive to, the Basket whereas onyeka will, just,

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Like well i'm on, The perimeter i'm gonna. Shoot IT

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so I think i Think that's i'm gonna go With.

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Speaker 1: The congo to, be fair the quality Of like okungo's

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threes will just be better and easier that he's getting his,

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teed Up Whereas jalen johnson will have to take more.

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Contested Ones but i've still that's if, that happens that

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something's gone Wrong With joan johnson or right with a

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cover with.

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Speaker 2: My answer i'm sticking with. My.

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Speaker 1: Answer lauren this was great. As always thank you for

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me so so much of. Your time you're able just

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to tell our audience where they can find you in

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all the great work that.

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Speaker 2: You do thank you support. Local journalism you can find

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all my work AT the ajac, dot com Especially after,

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january first Or after december, thirty one twenty, twenty five

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it's going to be. All digital, and then Of course

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i'll be promoting that work On my TWITTER because i

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still will not call it X on twitter At WILLIAMS.

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Lauren o.

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Speaker 1: The link to, her stuff her social media profile AND

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her ajac profile will be in the podcast on. YouTube prescription.

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As always thank you so, Much. Again lauren as you know,

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BY now i will be pestering you again in.

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Speaker 2: The future, of course You know i'm. Always here