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much for your support. Charlotte City council member Tiyajana Brown
and her daughters to adult daughters have been indicted on
federal charges. They were all given unsecured twenty five thousand
dollars bond this morning at the federal courthouse. WBTV reports
the charges were made public Thursday morning, hours after Brown
sent an early morning press release saying that she expected
to face federal charges. Brown was elected to the city
council in twenty twenty three represents District three, covering most
of West Charlotte. WBTV has been digging deeper into the
federal investigation into Brown for weeks, even as she initially
dodged questions about the allegations. All right, so I just
mentioned about the h the bond hearing there in the
federal court and our own breaking Brett Jensen was out
there and he joins us, Now, hey, Brett, how did
it go?
Speaker 2: While we're still here and we're waiting for her attorneys
to come out, Rob rob and Michael Green. Rob he
Roy and Michael Green. And Michael Green's one of the
top defense attorneys in all of Mechamok County. Like he's
he's a big he's a big gun that they've hired
and he's going to be assisting. So she and her
two daughters were raigned today, each separately in separate instances,
and so each one was given a twenty five thousand
dollars unsecured bond. All three must surrender their passports. Tijuana
Brown is allowed to travel throughout the country because of
her work with American Airlines. The other two daughters are
being refined to travel strictly within the Western district of
North Carolina. I can also tell you that Tijuana Brown
refused to comment as we left the courtroom, But we
are waiting for her attorneys, and the hold up right
now is that one of the daughters still had to
be processed, and so they're waiting in a side room
until the daughter is formally processed. And it's the daughter
that lives full time in Atlanta and from that is
being processed. So a twenty five thousand dollars unsecured bond,
which means they don't have to pay any money. It
just means that if they don't show up for court,
then they have to pay the twenty five thousand dollars bond.
Speaker 1: So all right, So when are the lawyers representing all
three of them?
Speaker 2: No, as a matter of fact, each defendant has their
own individual lawyers, and two of them, the two daughters,
are having lawyers that are ones on a contingency basis
and ones in the process of probably being hired. But
you know Tijuana, she's she's brought some big guns, right
and so, but the other two are not like they're
they're they're not high like they're not well known for
their defense as a high profile cases, I should say.
Speaker 1: So there was there any was there any discussion of
any of the facts of the case or was it
just a simple process of you got a lawyer, Yes,
I have a lawyer, and you know, you know the
charges against you, and that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's basically and the arguments were over the you know,
the the you know release pre trial release, and that's
what the arguments were over in the standards and where
they have to surrender passports, where they not have to
surrender passports? Can they You know that each daughter has
a chip plan. One has a trip plan to Jamaica,
another one has a chip plan to Europe, and so
each one of them wanted them to be able to
keep their passports so they could go to there. And
you know, there were a couple of times when you know,
Tijuana got defiant a couple of times, specifically when it
came to her passport, and you know, it was talking
over her lawyer and interrupting her lawyer about her wanting
to keep her passport and saying this is her life's
work and she's not backing down. Regardless of what happened,
you know, it was you know, and it was, it was,
it was, it was it was a little bit of a.
Speaker 3: Show beyond show.
Speaker 4: And how did the judge react to that?
Speaker 2: Nothing, absolutely nothing, just said you need to speak to
your attorney before you speak to us, and you know,
but yet Tijuana was not whispering. It was a full ball.
The entire core could hear her entire court when I
should say, you could hear, and she's, you know, this
is my life's work, and I'm you know, I am
not apologizing and I will continue to do my life's
work and and so, but they did say, you know,
if you need for any specific reason to go out
of the country, then you have to file a specific
motion and we will hear this on a case by
case basis, because apparently some inmates that she works with
are abroad, oh it be Mexico or Canada.
Speaker 1: Or whatever, and so there might be an opportunity for
somebody to help her escape or something if she were
to try to flee the charges.
Speaker 3: I assume well and that you know.
Speaker 2: And one of the daughters the hazard trip to Jamaica,
and the judge says, I need to know who you're
going with, how long are you going to be there,
what hotels you're going to too? Is it a direct flight?
Is a non direct flight? And then same thing with
the other daughter who's going to Europe for five days
to celebrate being accepted into nursing school. And so she
is planning to go to Europe for celebrating or getting
accepted into nursing school, and so the judge the same
thing to her. I need to know exactly what countries
you're going to and what hotels and who you're going with,
and then we'll review the situation and see what the
federal government has to say about it.
Speaker 1: Was there any discussion for the daughter that lives in
Atlanta about restricting her also to the Western District of
North Carolina or is she does she get to return
to Atlanta?
Speaker 2: So the only thing the only she because she lives
in Atlanta full times, so she has been restricted to
travel only within the Northern District of Georgia and the
Western District of North Carolina are the only two places
that she's allowed to travel to because she will be
traveling be required to be traveling back and forth to Charlotte.
But she does live full time.
Speaker 1: In Atlanta, right, Okay, you mentioned this, I don't know
attitude or her defiance. I think you used the word defiant.
Uh So, I don't know. Were you at the press
conference yesterday?
Speaker 2: No, I was not there yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, because what you described and her interaction with her
lawyer today, it sounds like a glimpse of what I
caught in watching the playback of that press conference yesterday,
where like the lawyer started to try to shut down
a particular line of questioning by you know, giving some
you know answer that was sort of vanilla and you know,
a non answer, and then she started talking over her
lawyer like no, no, no, I know, my life's work,
I can talk about that, and like, I know. And
so it's why I'm wondering, did her lawyer advise her
not to do that press conference yesterday and she just
ignored the advice of counsel because I don't know a
lawyer that would that would have allowed their client to
do that if they were just advising them. And the
client says, yes, okay, I take your advice, you're the pro.
I don't think that. I don't think that the lawyer
would have advised her to do that press conference.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think you never said correct. And I
don't have the direct answer of that one. But you know,
I watched the entire press conference yesterday, and I can
tell you that what you saw yesterday was exactly sort
of what you saw in court today, but to a
lesser degree in terms of the loudness of her voice.
It was a little bit quieter but you could still
hear it and you know, discussing this is my life's
work and I am not I can down and this
is and it was, you know. And then finally at
the very very end, and I want to make sure
I actually wrote it down for Baden, I want to
make sure I get this right. But at the very
very end she addressed the judge, and not in a
bad way or anything like that, but she had trust
the judge. And I just want to make sure I've
got the exact quote here, because she wanted to say that,
you know, she travels all over the world because of
her community work. She goes, she goes your honor. It
was my it was my pleasure. You've been very kind today,
have a great day. And everyone started was like, uh, okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: That was a little odd, but so neither one of
the two daughters said anything remotely close to that.
Speaker 4: Did you catch the name of the judge?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I do have the judge until so Judge
Bell will be hearing the cases at least for the
two daughters, and I think he's also hearing the Chase
of Tijuana. But the judge today is Judge Sullivan. Uh
heard in all my notes here. Susan C. Rodriguez is
her name, Susan the Rodriguez. She was the judge today
determining what the pre trial release will be.
Speaker 1: Well, and I don't know anything about Judge Rodriguez, but
it is possible that the kind words at the end
there from Brown, Uh maybe maybe they know each other
from Democrat politics, so like it's quite possible that they
have met each other at various you know, events or
something like that. So maybe she knows her, and that's
why she was saying that.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was just odd. I've never you know, you've been
very kind today. Thank you your honor and have a
great day. Yeah, but it was it was just it
was an odd situation. Like I said, But I don't
think she's going to be hearing the game. I believe
this is Judge Bell, that we'll be hearing the case
going forward.
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, Brett, I appreciate as always work you're
doing out there, and we'll see if the lawyers stop
by and chat with media for a bit of time,
and if they do, feel free to jump back on.
But I know you'll be covering it throughout the day
here as well.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, thank you. That's Brett Jensen. You can catch
them here on WBT. Although his timeslot is moving, so
he's seven to eight now, but he's going to be
moving six to seven.
Speaker 4: When does that start? Tuesday? Tuesday? So there you go.
He's gonna be able to go to bed earlier or
hit the bars earlier either way. All right, that's breaking
Brett Jensen.
Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 4: Hiight, let me get to.
Speaker 1: Some messages here, Michael, he says, Pete. I hope you're
doing well today. I am, Michael, thank you for asking.
I was listening to the segment with Mayor Pat McCrory
that was in the last hour. I noticed him say
Charlotte was previously clean. May have missed Velma Leak gaming
the school system and falsely establishing a residency to allow
her grandson C. J. Leak to go to a school
in a district in which he did not live. Okay,
So first off, Michael, I like I remember vill Malik.
She's county commissioner now, but back in the day she
was on the school board. There were questions about her residency,
and I've talked about that over the years. I'm not
going to get into all of the details of that now,
but there was there was always a deal.
Speaker 4: Just like you heard.
Speaker 1: Pat say that his rule was always let the chief
be the chief, right, And there was always this deal
between the school system and the city council. You do schools,
we do the city, and we do not get involved
in each other's business. Because the school district was always
and still is right, they were always a part of
the county commissioners, and so the city council was always
and the mayor was always off to the side from
the school district. So there was never any commenting about
or you know, advocating for stuff related to schools if
you were on city ca council. They drew a line
sort of between those two bodies. So I would not
unless there's like some massive scandal involved, you would not
expect to hear anything from city council members against school
board members or the school district county commissioners. Yes, so
that was so to defend Pat on that, but that
was there. That was their deal. They were very open
and clear about that, and everybody adhered to that, and
maybe he overlooked Patrick Cannon. He did not overlook Patrick Cannon.
In fact, he cited Pat Cannon. Pat Cannon got elected
after Anthony Fox. Anthony Fox got elected after Pat McCrory,
So Pat McCrory was already governor when Pat Cannon's bribery occurred.
That's and he mentioned that scandal as like that was
sort of the first one that was that was so
shocking because like everybody was operating it.
Speaker 4: I can attest to this too. I covered the city council.
Speaker 1: For a day decade, and like there there weren't there
weren't any stories like like Pat Kennon, there weren't any
stories like this thing with the city council and the.
Speaker 4: Payoff to the police chief. There weren't.
Speaker 1: They just didn't have these kinds of scandalous stories. And
then Michael says, I am positive that you are a
master status ninja at clever wit and sarcasm. I do
believe you have a black belt in sarcasm. In fact,
that's true. In fact, it is a black belt to
the nth degree. It's the highest you can achieve. Thank
you for the spectacular way you cover the news. Well,
thank you, Michael, I appreciate I do it for you. Guys,
I know you are out there leading far more productive
lives than I could, so I figure I will aggregate
stuff and tell you, hey, here are some stories that
and some deep dives and analysis that you know you're
not hopefully getting anywhere else. I have my own lane
here and I do this stuff so you don't have to.
It's very I mean, the word hero is overused, I
know in our society today, but in this case, I
think it might apply. Let me go over to the
Twitter machine, and Russ says, I hope that if I
ever get into some kind of trouble, I don't call
a press conference to explain myself and then step on
so many rakes that may seem like I'm guilty that
my attorney has to keep jumping in. Also, what is
with this trend of I did the thing, but I
shouldn't face any consequences because of who I am. I'm
part of this group, or I've done other good things
or something. Yeah, their excuses, Russ, They're just excuses. And
this is one of the things that I actually like
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a lot of the people that are in these positions
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at the craft of being a politician, and so you
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you know, is through experience, either in the business world,
but mainly through lower elected offices. You make your way
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into our indicted Charlotte City councilwoman. Do you want to
brown pleaded not guilty?
Speaker 4: This morning?
Speaker 1: As you heard from Brett Jensen earlier in the hour
Released on twenty five thousand dollars unsecured bond let me
go over and talk with Bill. Hello, Bill, welcome to
the shoe.
Speaker 3: How are you hey?
Speaker 6: Doing well? I wanted to mention I had heard on
an earlier program a comment about Charlotte being a world
class city, and I would like to say, I don't
think so yet. Maybe when we had a better leadership
with Pat McCrory and all. But as long as the
citizens of this city elect people as incompetent and unqualified
as miss miss Brown, I don't consider it. I would
nominate my hometown small of Elmira, New York, home of
Tommy Hill figure the first African American Heisman Trophy winner
Ernie Davis, as to not our main Collins burial place
of Mark Twain. I think we're more world class than
I would consider Charlotte at this point, with all the turmoil.
Speaker 1: Well that's a fair point, Bill, I appreciate the call.
It's a fair point. That call sponsored by the Elmira
Chamber of Commerce. I'm just kidding, no, but I think
I think actually having a couple of city officials get indicted,
I think that does make us world class, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: That's okay, let me jump over here.
Speaker 1: Brett Jensen returns with more information. I'm assuming, Hey, Bret,
what's up.
Speaker 2: How's it going. So the attorneys just spoke with us
and Tiuana. You know, we surrounded her, walked with her
for just over a block.
Speaker 3: Surrounding her as she walked the famous Purp walk.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well you know she was walking to her car. Yeah,
and so we surrounded her and you know, all the
cameras and everyone following her and asking her questions that
at first she wouldn't answer, and then she just couldn't
help herself. And then she started talking.
Speaker 4: What did she say?
Speaker 2: And well, you know, she she she said that the
judge was a lovely person, and she appreciates the judge,
and she's not going to stop her life's work. You know,
a lot of the stuff she said in court. But
she also said, you know, she feels like she still
has the support of the entire community. And she says,
she goes, I want every precinct. I had the support
of my district. And I said, and I in my
follow up was well, that was before the indictment.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, and we didn't nobody knew anything about all
of this stuff.
Speaker 4: But when she ran for election.
Speaker 2: And then and then I said, so I said, why
should they still trust you or have faith? Yeah, why
should they still have trust and faith in you? And
then she said no comment.
Speaker 1: Oh, and that's not the right answer. That is not
the right answer.
Speaker 2: Yep, she did say, well, excuse me. Speaking to her
one of our attorneys and I asked him, I said,
we will this be tried together separately by Judge ken
Bell And he said, at this point, they believe all
three will be tried together as one singular case.
Speaker 1: So my take on that then is that because it
is alleged in the indictment that this was a conspiracy,
that indicates then to me that they are If you're
going to try them together, it means that they were
all in cahoots to do the thing.
Speaker 2: Well, right, you know. And if you remember yesterday Keanna
Brown kipt saying I paid back my twenty eight and
forty eight dollars or whatever it was. All she kept
saying is that we would have men. There's one hundred
and twenty four thousand dollars listed in the indictment. I
paid back my portion. I paid back my share. Granted,
she says she just paid it back a couple of
months ago, and the situation happened four years ago and
she just paid it back. But you know, so I'm thinking,
all right, you know, if you are to give her
all the benefit of the doubts and everything else like that,
and you're going, okay, you only had the twenty thousand
and you paid it back, Well, then why would you
want to be tied with your daughters who maybe committed
much greater fraud because one of the daughters is charged
with a lot of them, a lot of accounts and so.
But no, but speaking with what you know, Rob has
heroy today that he was just like, yeah, because it
looks like he is. I would guess that they'll be
all tried together, and it will be several months down
the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they may try to they may try to
get separate trials for the for the all three different defendants.
Speaker 4: That's possible.
Speaker 1: Maybe if somebody starts talking to you know, turn state's
witness or something, or a federal witness, then then maybe
that changes or something. But yeah, she also wouldn't answer
who it was that filled out the application. She kept
saying a third party. Wouldn't name that third party whether
that's her daughter's or if there was some other entity
or organization or person that did it for her. She wouldn't. Yeah,
she wouldn't say that either. And she only paid the
money back, she said, when there was some scrutiny in
the application, which I don't know what that means. And
where did that scrutiny come from? Because if it came
from reporters like David Hodges and Nick Oxner asking about
some of this stuff weeks ago, as they say in
their news story, then maybe that's what prompted her to
pay it back. Or maybe the FED started asking her
questions and that's what prompted her to pay it back.
But it's not like she it's not like she realized
something on her own and then went and paid it back.
It was that people were asking her questions about the
documents that were submitted that contained fake IRS SCHEDULEC forms,
and like that's a problem, that's a big problem.
Speaker 2: Well, well it is. And again, if you know the discrepancy,
why would it take four years or four and a
half years for that to be brought to light? If
you're Tijuanna Brown, like all of a sudden, this is
all just purely coincidental that BTV and the FEDS and
everything else I mean, people forget this. You know, yesterday
one of the things that she said was, you know
that this is just an attempt or employed to get
her to not run for re elections, to make it political. Well,
this was all started. This investigation was started by a
Biden appointed attorney attorney general, like for the Western District
of North Carolina. Like, this was a Biden appointee that
started this investigation, not a Donald Trump appointee, right.
Speaker 1: And the idea that a Trump US attorney would try
to oust her. So what it goes to a different Democrat?
It's District three that's not getting one may a Republican.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I said. I said, how many
black women are Charlotte City Council right now and how
many of them are Democrat? Removal of one? What does
that do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's virtually all black Democrat females at this point
on council.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So but they did, you know, they they talked
about that, and they're still going to try and get
some things done with her passports. And I asked the attorney,
I said, so, I assume she traveled some with Mexico
and Canada with her, you know, with her her nonprofit
or whatever. I said, but does she trouble overseas it all?
And the attorney was like, I think she does go
overseas some and he goes, but I'm not upset positive
and this would be why the judge is like, Okay,
look like like we got to know where you're going
because we've got to make sure you're going to a
country that will extonite you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, Brett, thanks so much for calling
back with the update.
Speaker 4: We appreciate it. And do you doing your show tonight?
Speaker 2: I am doing my show tonight. It's the last night
he calendar. Yeah, I'm doing it from seven to eight
until next week when I got six to seven. But
obviously this is going to be a heavy, heavy topic tonight.
Speaker 1: There you go, So stay tuned tonight, seven o'clock Breaking
with Brett Jensen here on WBT.
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our pal ap Dylan at More to the story. It's
her newsletter Substack Newsletter. Tijuanna Brown apparently made a big
deal out of her twenty twenty one birthday party, posting
images and videos to social media of the party that
was held at the Gant Center in Uptown Charlotte, and
it's got some pictures here of like guys in tuxedos,
a bunch of people with cameras videotaping the whole thing
and taking pictures. She's walking in in like a full
length evening gown. One post on Instagram featured Brown entering
the venue in an evening gown with a horse drawn
carriage behind her, and another of her leaving her party
and getting into the carriage. And I thought this was funny,
she says. If on Instagram, it's got the picture of
her getting into the carriage, and she says, if you
missed it, here you go. I was born a queen.
My fiftieth birthday with family and friends. My people traveled
from all over the globe to help me celebrate fifty
trips around the sun. I'm so humble and blessed. I'm
so humble. Yes, this, this birthday party does strike me
as the party.
Speaker 4: Of a humble person.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm so, I think she meant to say humbled.
I'm so humbled and blessed for the people that God
has placed in my life. She'd been planning this for
some time, a birthday like no other, one that they'll
never forget, and then there were photos. As all people
who are humbled do, is they take, you know, glamour
shots atop their throne that they have purchased or rented
for the birthday party of the century.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, ironically, she serves on the Budget, Governance and
Intergovernmental Relations Committee. She says, I will not be trying
the media. This is a recap of the press conference.
I'm trying to get to the part here at the end.
I'm looking for it. Okay. Beauty after the Bars that's
her nonprofit, Beauty after the Bars, not the bar scene,
not saloons, but jail prison.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: This is her nonprofit that she runs that provides mentoring, advocacy, education,
and supports racial equity and economic mobility for the communities
that disproportionately affected and our most marginalized communities. The Instagram
account for Beauty after the Bars. The posts there are
a mix of the group's activism and Brown's swimsuit fashion photos.
If you haven't seen those yet, they are making the rounds.
The group's official website has videos of Brown describing her
years in prison, how she gave birth to her youngest
daughter while incarcerated. She went to prison twice, and the
records showed the charges are mainly cheat property services misdemeanors,
felonies the second time around felony use of the fraudulent
use of a credit card. The bioprofile also mentions Mecklenburg
Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden multiple times, including stating
that brown quote oversees the mentoring program re entry program
in partnership with Sheriff Gary McFadden to ensure once the
residents are released from jail, they never experience recidivism. In
other words, they don't get they don't get re arrested
and incarcerated. She's active Democrat voter. Her registration file with
the state shows she has voted in dozens of elections
following her conviction and prison term. This might be a problem.
We do not allow felons to vote in North Carolina.
Pat Cannon when he got remember he he got indicted
on the bribery charges as mayor, he resigned, he went
to prison, but before he went to prison, he voted
in the in an election or a primary or something
right before he shipped out. After he was a convicted felon.
Because I think he pleaded guilty and he got in
trouble for that too, and they're like, we may have
to revoke his his probation. He you know, report directly
to jail, and I think they just like, he's like, oh,
it's my mistake.
Speaker 4: I didn't know. So it is.
Speaker 1: It's not clear and maybe she did, whether if she
ever had her record expunged or if she got a
pardon from former Governor Roy Cooper that would that would
have restored her voting rights. The governor's clemency page, hosted
by Department of Public Safety, has a four h four message.
For some time now, no press really of a pardon
or Tijuana Brown, or even a mention of her can
be found on the governor's official website. She has a
lengthy series of court records, though in the state's e
court system there are too many to list individually, but
they span multiple counties. Items in the cases include charges
for worthless checks, using a forged instrument, obtaining property under
false pretenses, harassing phone calls, communicating threats, simple assault, and
various cases brought against her by the state, employees, credit Union, Safeway,
and other entities. In Mecklenburg County. There were numerous cases
linked together, including speeding, expired tags, no license, no inspection,
no insurance, fictitious or altered registration cards, obtaining a driver's
license by fraud, and North Carolina identity or ID card fraud.
There's also a set of twenty seventeen cases brought by
the North Carolina Department of Revenue for taxes owed in
the amount of twenty seven thousand, forty two dollars and
another for over sixty five hundred dollars. The case files
show nothing has been paid as of two day. This
woman is a one person crime wave. Good grief, but
she paid this back everybody. She wants everybody to know
she paid it back, and therefore she's in the clear.
Nobody should be pressing charges against her. She should not
be facing indictment. This is just a political attack by
a US attorney who's probably racist.
Speaker 4: Like that's what that's.
Speaker 1: That's what she and the man that she brought with
her to this press conference yesterday. This is what they suggested.
He suggested mainly I believe he was he was speaking
for her because if she says this stuff, then that
can be used against her in court. But he said it,
and I think that's intentional. It's we're going to get
our message out through this other guy. I think his
name is Cedric Dean. I'm not sure, but that was
the name on his hat. He had his name on
his hat. We'll get into it next, all right.
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